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- Byron: Welcome back to another episode of Cut the KAK the show where we talk about the sport we absolutely Chad: Yeah. Byron: love but know very little about. That man drinking over there, that's Chad. I'm Byron. And Chad, let's cut the KAK Chad: Baron? Byron: Don't do it, Chad. I don't wanna Chad: Fuck. Byron: start I don't wanna start mad. Chad: I'm mad ready. We started talking before. I was fine. Byron: I've been mad for four days. Chad: I was fine and then we spoke about the fifty fifth minutes and it set me off. It is triggering. Byron: Yeah, we shouldn't we sh I shouldn't have mentioned that while we were preparing to start. Chad: No, you shouldn't have. It's pissed me off. I'm not I'm I'm still not okay. I'm upset, I'm grumpy. It was all going I wouldn't say so well, but it was going and the o the one thing that was going was that fucking scrum, holy shit. Byron: It was going until it wasn't going. Chad: It and then it yeah, it wasn't going. And we didn't even need to scrum Byron: You know what? In I was I really try to pay Chad: there. It was d there was no need. We're in front of the poles, three points behind. Could have leveled it up, started again. Byron: Yeah. Yeah. I don't know if we're diving into this now, but I was trying to because you know we played with five props. And the scrums were the worst when Steen Camp was on. Before and after Stien Kamp, the scrums were fine. Unfortunately, Steen Kamp did not have the best scrumming game. Chad: Not. Byron: Even with our mate Zachary Porthon on the other side, the scrums weren't solid with Steam Camp. Chad: The first that scrub and the w that that was the first one he did, hey, in the fifty fifth minute. I was like Byron: Yeah. No no no no no. Pawthon. Chad: Yeah. Byron: No, his first scrum was the midfield scrum and it was dead dead center. We didn't lose a scrum after that. Porthan is is there's there's something special about that boy. I don't and I don't know if everyone realizes it yet. but he's he's he's an him and ox are absolute different breeds of humans. And Wilco, of course. Chad: I know. shouldn't be allowed to be on a rugby field. Yeah, well Vilka's yeah, you can't argue with that one at all. Byron: Those tree stumps that he walks around with. look, I've got Chad: But you're trying to get the thing up here. Byron: I've got a gazillion things to talk about for the Springbok game. Chad: Okay. Byron: Do you wanna go through the the MPC, the NRL and the Curry Cup quickly before we hop into that? Chad: sure. I didn't prepare for NRL. I literally only watched one game. I didn't watch that much this week at all. Byron: Alright, let's do the NRL first then. I myself, as usual, committed to watching the Rabbidos. And then I caught a little Chad: I watched that game. Byron: bit caught a little bit of the Roosters West Tigers game, which was sick. so Chad: Yeah. Byron: if you want, I'll dive into those quickly. What do I have here for the end? the Rabbidos Warrior game. Rabbid O's looked as if they didn't know what was happening to them. The Warriors were Chad: Yeah. Byron: all over them. And it was hurtful to watch and I was like, Okay, well, I guess if you pick from an entire nation for the Warriors, it kinda makes sense that they play so well. Also, I saw a funny post afterwards talking about the number of mullets. Chad: You can't say that though, Byron. You can't say that. Because New Zealand's Byron: Why not? Chad: population is the same population as Melbourne. Byron: Okay. Chad, I don't know how to break this to you. They love rugby. You probably there's Chad: I do. Byron: probably more players to pick from, even though the population is small. There's probably Chad: Mm. Byron: more rugby players to choose from than they are in Chad: Maybe. Byron: in Australia. but where was I? yeah, so the Rabbit O's well beaten, but there was a moment Chad: Yeah. Byron: in that second half where they couldn't stop finding the try line. And I was like, wait a minute, is this is this a rabbit hose comeback? Is this one of those epic, amazing moments? unfortunately it wasn't. But it was it was a good game. It was a good Chad: It was not. Yeah. Yeah. Byron: one. And then the only other one I watched was the Roosters West Tiger. What an upset, but also what a game by West Chad: Absolute upset of the week. Byron: Tiger. I mean, hello. That was Chad: Yeah. Byron: that was some proper ruggers. Chad: Yeah, it was fun. we've been given Byron: That was exciting stuff. but Chad: two games to watch this week for Byron: Okay. Chad: NRL. it's the one on Thursday, the Broncos versus Storm, and then obviously the Rabbitos against Titans. Byron: Interesting. Okay. Titans. Yeah. Okay. Broncos and Storm. Alright. Can do. Can do. so I'll just go over the results very quickly. Storm lost to Panthers 1422. Raiders lost to Broncos 3034. Dolphins beat the Eels. What a w Eels. It's I I know we've Chad: Night. Byron: I say it every week, but terrible name. Chad: Yeah. Byron: 34-16. Knights lost to Sea Eagles 24 44. As we spoke about Ravados lost to the Warriors 45 26. Dragons lost to Bulldogs 14 44. Jesus all away wins here, except for one game. Sharks beat the Titans 30 22. And then we spoke about Roosters, West Tigers 25 20. 24 25 to West Tigers. What an upset. What a game. And then yeah. Then we've got As you said, Broncos Storm and Titans Rabbit How's to watch next week. And then it's the penultimate Chad: Yep. My entire weekend of teams nothing went my way. The only ones that won were the Mako. Lions Yeah, Lions Sharks draw. Yeah. Yeah. Byron: The market I mean, yeah, cause even are we switching now to curry cups? Yeah, let's go to the curry cup real quick. Chad: D actually d do you want me to run through let me I'll run through this the foo the results on Blitz Rugby. Byron: On Blitz Ragabi Raghabi. Chad: where is it? Here's a chat. So we go in chronological order. Start on Thursday when the NPC started and we'll mix some i NPC and Curry Cup in Byron: Perfect. Chad: in together. so yeah. Canterbury Northland, what a game. What an upset. Another one to start the week off of. Ran Furley Shield goes Byron: And another away win. Chad: another way win. goes to Northland. They have the shield. it was a Great game. it was really stoked for Northland they looked like they were absolutely over the moon. Like they just won the Rugby World Cup. Mm. Byron: So now qu a question from a dummy. Chad: Mm. Byron: So does this mean now next time Northland plays at home, the shield's up for grabs? Chad: Against the Mako next weekend. Pumped. It's coming home. It's coming home. Byron: Okay, we'll see. Nah, just just Chad: Yeah. Byron: because that's on the line, I really, really hope Northland wins next week. Chad: They won't. Hawks Hawks Bay and turbos. Byron: Manawatsu. Chad: I know why too, yeah. Byron: This this started off as a good game. And then Hawks Bay were just like, you know what? We've had our fun. We Chad: Take a Byron: we're done playing with our food. Chad: Yeah. Byron: It was brutal in the second half. Chad: It was brutal. If we go in here and have a look at everything that happened, everything from Byron: Yeah, the non transverse Chad: Just Byron: three is heartbreaking. Chad: Yeah, it was just bang, bang, bang, bang, bang. Literally every couple of minutes. Byron: Yeah, the second off was brutal. Chad: It's not I mean, we can't talk about second half being brutal. We haven't got there yet. But Byron: chats and I'm not ready for that. We're building up to it for f sake man. Chad: But that was Friday, Saturday, and also these are all New Zealand, so this would have been on Friday night. Byron: Yeah, this was Friday for me. Chad: So curry cup. Kriqua's beating the Pumas. Thirty eight forty. Byron: we called that, we got that one right. Yeah. Chad: We did. Storm is beating the Bulls. I don't remember what we said for that one. Byron: Stormers 'cause the Bulls can't win anything at the moment. Yeah. Chad: yes, that was true. This one I would never have picked a draw. Byron: Brother, this game this Chad: Okay. Byron: game pissed me off. I I should have known after watching this game that Saturday was going to be a disaster. Because neither team could kick for polls in the Sharks Lions game. And to be fair, the most of the game was pretty mundane. Up until the final final few minutes. Look at that. That seventy six minute try by Barnard. Should have look at that. Four tries, one conversion for the Sharks. Chad: Yeah. Penalties, yellow cards, n that yellow card in the sick amount. I like, yeah we go. Byron: The thing that annoyed me so much, right, is at the that 75th minute try by the sharks to take the lead, because this the scores were tied. 17 all. Sharks score that try in the corner. And in my head, I said, the Lions have one more try. If the Sharks can miss this conversion, the Lions have to win this game. Sharks missed the conversion, and I'm like, that's it. The Lions will win this game. There's no way they're not gonna they have one more try in them. It took It took until the very very very very very very very end of the game to score and when he cuts in I go, That's it. We've won. It's over. We can't believe we're gonna win this game. Chad: Yeah. Byron: And then he missed the kick. Chad: Yeah. Byron: I was there's no way. Chad: Yeah. Byron: it was so frustrating. So frustrating. Anyway. Chad: There's a way. Byron: Go on. of the verities. Chad: Then we had and I was at this game, so fun. Byron: Tell me about it 'cause when I was looked at the I looked at the f the pics that you posted, it looked like like you were at a high school game. Chad: That's r local rugby. Byron: That's local rugby. It was so sick. You were you were Chad: W no, it's really cool. Spent way too much money on merch, as d I do. watched Byron: I saw a s I saw someone at a shark head, a Mako head. All right. Chad: Yeah, that was the Mako mascot. The my kid took a photo with him. Was absolutely fucking terrified. Byron: Why the hell is there a shark on land? Chad: Which is brilliant. Yeah, no, it was it was real good fun. the kids had an absolute blast. I got to watch very little of the actual rugby. but it's still cool going. Ben O'Keefe was the referee. it's cool to see that I kinda wanted to go take a picture with him after the game, but I had to leave because of the kids. Byron: Also, would it been weird for the ref to have a fanboy run up to a referee and ask for a picture instead of one of the players? Sir, you know you're in Chad: Maybe next time. the next Byron: your thirties, right? Chad: Yeah well, here we are. Are you taking the fucking photo or not? Byron: Do you want to be do you want me to be a fan or not? Do you want me to to shout at you and Chad: Yeah. Byron: swear at you like everyone else does or do you want to take a photo? Chad: Yeah. Byron: Yeah. Chad: but this game two, second half, is where all the points are scored again. Byron: Mm-hmm. Chad: inside here you can just check. It was super tight and then it was just try, try, try, Byron: Yes. Chad: try, try. In the last couple of minutes it was so good. a great game, fun to be around. It's a great little atmosphere going there. Byron: Look at the players in that team. Just look at those tri scorers. My goodness. Chad: and that's and they're missing Noah Hotham, Will Jordan, it's Ethan Blackadder, he's in there. Byron: Stupid. It's it's it's it's wild that that's the provincial rugby side. Chad: I know, it's so good. Like that's the one lacquer thing about NPC is you can go on any other weekend. Like if it's especially if it's like Canterbury versus the Mako. You've got Mowanga, you've got it's Byron: Staff to staff to staff. Chad: it's like watching an all black training session. It's sick. NPC I reckon is probably the greatest provincial club rugby in the world, I think. I think it's better than the Curry Cup. Byron: Yeah, look, I think I think in in if you compare the MPC and the curry cup, if you put the sides together, I think the NPC sides are gonna tear the curry cup sides apart. Chad: Yeah. You even the Lions, the Wellington Lions I think would win. Yeah yeah, cheaters Byron: Unfortunately. Except except for the cheetahs. Except the cheetahs. Chad: cheat cheaters win the whole thing. Yeah, all all yeah. Yeah. Byron: Cheaters win the whole thing. Okay, keep going, keep going. Chad: North Harbour, Auckland, twenty seven nineteen. I mean I'd have expected. Yeah. Byron: We called that one as well. Mm-hmm. Chad: Bay of Plenty and Tanaki. That a fun game, too. Close. Byron: I don't skip the women's international's there. Go let's go over the other results quickly. Chad: Wakato and counties, forty-five twelve. Also another one expected. Byron's teams Yeah. Byron: Brother, counties Hold on. Counties and Wellington Lions Chad: Mm. Byron: belong in the Curry Cup, not the MPC. Chad: Hmm. Byron: Because neither of them can win a fucking game this season. Chad: Put him in. Get him in. It'll be that'll be fun. Byron: Expand the curry cup and shorten the NPC, put Wellington Lions in and counties. I'm glad I chose Otago Chad: Yeah. I did think it was funny that you Byron: as a second side because if I only supported the Lions, I'd I'd hate the NPC. Chad: I was gonna say this is this was a win for you. This was your only win the in the weekend too. Because yeah, all of our teams lost. Byron: It's brutal. That was brutal. do you wanna do predictions for next week? Chad: Sure. Byron: you do P C or I do P C Chad: Can do it together. It's about that. Byron: you're gonna do it you're gonna do it like this. Let's do it. Southland Chad: Southland Stags and Hawks Bay. So just keep in mind they stags just got fucking thumped by Mako. Hawkspay. Byron: Yeah, no, I'm going Hawks Bay on this. I don't I'm a a hundred percent Hawks Bay on. Chad: Hawkes Bay, I think you're right. then we've got Auckland and Bay of Plenty. Byron: I'm gonna go Bay of Plenty. Chad: yeah, should we try and see if I can Okay, I can't go in there. Byron: You know what else you can do if I rem Chad: They have plenty. Byron: Ooh Okay, I see what you're doing. Chad: Yeah, putting official Byron: Predictions. Well, why don't you go back to Thursday? Throwing hawk spay. Chad: Where are we going? Stegs. Byron: Really? Jesus. Chad: No. Byron: I think you gotta do this on your iPad. I think you might lose your mind. Chad: It's okay. I don't mind doing it in here. Byron: We're not watching French division yet. Chad: They would look Yeah. Okay. Byron: Not enough time in not enough time in the week. Chad: Then we got the Byron: Oof Oof Oof Oof Chad: You have to go stormers, right? Byron: Oof at Ellis Park I'm g ooof Chad: And keep in mind the Lions are playing on Wednesday too. So it's Byron: Tonight. Chad: not Byron: Yeah. I I guess your your time. My time. Your time. My time. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Chad: Tonight. Yeah. Yeah. Byron: But a different Lion Squad is playing. I'm going Chad: D it i it is, but I reckon they're gonna put yeah, I don't know. I I think I I know what you I I think with your brain, not with your heart. Byron: I'm still going Lions 'cause it's at Ellis Park. Chad: Okay, you sure? Once I click it's done. Byron: Sure, sure. It's done. Chad: we can see other people's votes too. Byron: Who who's the eight percent that said draw? Chad: so wild. sharks and blue bulls. Okay, this is a this one I would go for draw. My Yeah. Byron: Well so so it's which d which Where's the both lose option? Chad: It's is an irrelevant. We can ask the boys at Byron: it's gonna be sharks. Chad: You reckon? Byron: It's gotta be the sharks. Hollywood Bit Sharks. That's HWB. What? What? This is fun. I like this feature. Chad: 29% say true actually to be honest I would have gone yeah this is right this is so good it's gonna be a n a new thing on the pod all the time. I would have gone bulls Byron: Chad, what game this season did the Bulls win in the curry cup? Chad: How many of the sharks won? Byron: More than the bulls. I'll tell you now. Now I'm are you double check nothing. Here we go. Sharks have if if this loads Hotel Wi Fi. Come on, come on. It's not loading. Chad: Yeah, hang on, I'll I'll find it. Table. Sharks have won two. Bulls have won none. Byron: There you Chad: True. Byron: go. So that's two more than the bulls. Chad: You're fucking good. Yes, that's Byron: math is my thing, my boy Chad: Okay, and then actual fun rugby. Byron: PC time. Chad: Taranaki and Canterbury. Byron: Hmm. Hmm. Who's the home side? Chad: Also, I absolutely love that they give the capacity and the surface Byron: I think I might go Canterbury. Chad: You have to I would have yeah. Byron: Yeah, but they don't have Richie, so things are different. Chad: They don't have Richie. I know. They lose Richie and they lose the game next game. Byron: Remember when we were doing predictions last week, I said Canterbury will lose because they lost Richimawanga and they lost. Chad: Yeah. Byron: Convincingly. I'm going Chad: Yeah. Byron: Otago. Not even thinking Chad: Ai? Byron: about it. Chad: You sure? Byron: I'm I'm happy for you to pick Wakato on this thing, but I'm going Otago. Chad: Okay. and then I have to give it a second before I click. I've learned how to use this thing now. Byron: probably go North Harbour. You didn't argue with that one, so that feels good. Chad: And then Sunday. Byron: Chitos! Chad: Y you can't bet against the cheaters. It should be illegal. Byron: God it's it's illegal actually to pick anyone else but the cheaters. See look, ev Chad: Yeah. Byron: everyone knows. All all three of us know. Chad: Three people voted a hundred percent. Byron: Okay, the game where no one can win. this is the same as the Sharks Bulls game. Chad: It is. Byron: Actually the Sharks have got a better record than all three teams, so it's not at it's worse than the Sharks ball game. Chad: Combined. Byron: I'm going Wellington Lions because of Duper Carifi. Chad: Okay, is he even in the squad? They haven't named a team yet. Byron: He that's not Russie's not the coach, Chad. You gotta wait till the weekend. Chad: Have to wait until like a Thursday, yeah. And that too, I've got a I've got I've got some thoughts on that one. And then the Ranfurdy shield. Yeah. Byron: we've got so much to talk about for that. And then Northland marker. I know you're gonna say Mako, Chad: Northern Markup. Byron: so I I'll let you pick this one. I won't I won't get involved. Chad: You have to go marker, 'cause look here. Byron: Yes. Go on. Chad: I thought they were way down. Byron: Tell me tell me your story, Chad. Chad: They just better in every way. I thought that they would weigh down the list. Byron: No. Chad: Nah, they blow. Look, a hundred percent so the Mako. Byron: That was great. Of course it's the Mako. You wanna know why? And then you show me the table. Chad: Ha ha ha Byron: this is so much fun. Alright, bonus game. Argentina, Australia in Argentina. Chad: I gonna say but after the performance of Augustina's last game. Byron: Yeah, but it was against us. Chad: And England Byron: And England ended in turmoil and we both think they got that call wrong. I'm going Argentina. I don't even need to think about it. Yaha hook at us and the masses. Chad: And then Byron: And then Chad: This app is so much better on a phone. Byron: Yeah. We might want to see if we can do that for next week. world number two, that hurts the soul, doesn't it? Chad: Yeah, we still need to talk about it. I'm not even gonna let you pick. Byron: No, you don't have to. We both know where it's going. Jesus, ninety two votes. Chad: Yeah, the boys are doing some good stuff on this app, I love it. I'm all for it. Byron: Yeah. Well done, blitz blitz blitz rahvi. do we get everything? Chad: We did. Byron: Alright. Then, Chad, shall we? Let's see if I had any other points here. No, I say we hop into the box all blacks. Chad: Brother. We should be in getting the stats up here. Byron: I don't even know how long ago it was. I said to you that the All Blacks for this series will be as good as they've ever been. And you said, nah, Chad: Mm-hmm. Byron: ma'am, ma'am, ma'am. And I said, even if they come off the beach, they'll still be competitive. And Chad: I know. And I I said I agree with you a couple of weeks ago, after I saw them playing Better Rugby and I said they've already been playing the best rugby that they've played in a long time. I came around, took me a while, but we got there. And Buck, it sucks. Byron: They were so good. They were they were clinical. That was Chad: So good. The we just couldn't get past their when we got into their twenty two, we just couldn't get through. The try that got not Byron: It pissed me off. Chad: disallowed, tackled from Barrett on Malcolm. That was Some good stuff. Byron: It pissed me off because it's not a curry cup game, it's not a URC game. When did we start turning down easy three points in a test match Chad: Brother. Byron: to kick for touch? When did this become a thing? Chad: Yeah. And you know do you know what? Byron: I wrote it down so Chad: If if we were missing kicks, fine. Byron: Sure. Yes, I agree with you. Chad: Colby never missed a single one. Also, is there anything that man can't Byron: No, and look, Chad: do? Byron: it's so hard to score against the All Blacks. It has Chad: Yeah. Byron: always been. And for two reasons. One, I think that it's almost instructed for the All Blacks to give away a penalty in their own twenty two. Chad: Yeah. Byron: Because it it happens almost every time someone enters their twenty two. just take the three and come back. We entered their twenty two. So often and left without points because we got greedy. It's a test match. Take your three and then come back. Chad: Try to see if I can yeah. Take it yeah. Yeah, actually how many penalties did they give away? Byron: I did Ooh a lot. Chad: Fourteen. Byron: Yeah. and at the end of the first half they had given Chad: Yeah, let me bring up this Byron: away nine. Chad: Yeah, let me give the Byron: So they had a much better second off. let's see what I have here. Chad: He has the he has the stats. If you looked at these stats without looking at the score, covered the score, you say Springboks won this game every day of the week. Byron: Yeah, but we made we forced Chad: Meat is gained. Byron: we forced too many things. That was the issue. Chad: Yeah, but he has the fourteen to ten. I'd love to know where these were whoops. Where these penalties were on the field. Byron: How crazy is that kicks from hand? They say that South Africa is the kicking team. All blacks kick more from hand than South Africa. Hmm? Chad: Yeah. Different kicks though. They were hitting the fifth they were hitting the long go back into your Byron: their fifty twenty twos are so dangerous. Chad: Yeah. Byron: I do want to give a shout out. this I want to give a shout out to the ref at the beginning of the game and then tell him to get fucked as the game goes on. Chad: Yeah. Byron: at the beginning of the game when Cody Taylor wouldn't put the ball down and the ref Chad: I didn't put the bowl down. Yeah. Byron: gave them the extra ten meters. I love that because what he said, he immediately went over to Peter Steph DeToy and he said, keep in mind that is the new standard. If a penalty is called, Chad: Yeah. Byron: the ball needs to go down immediately. I thought that was Chad: Yeah. Byron: brilliant refereeing. Chad: Yeah. Byron: Unfortunately it kind of fell apart after that. I think the ref had a good Chad: I did have a I had another shout out for the referee though. Byron: yes. Chad: Because when the TMO came in for that high tackle that I don't think was a high tackle, was hit the shoulder first. Byron: the with with Sevilla? Chad: Yeah. and Byron: Yeah. Chad: the TMO came in and he was like, nah. I'm all for that. Absolutely love it. Byron: Agreed. Agreed. Because look, his head did hit severe shoulder, but the impact was below the shoulder. It was all whiplash. Chad: Hm. But afterwards a hundred percent. It was just a hard hit yeah. Byron: Which we bitched about was it Chad: we've bitched a lot. We've been doing this for almost Byron: It was it was the end of season tour last year. So the the the the northern hemisphere tour before the nations championship started. Chad: Yeah. Byron: And it was those games in the northern hemisphere where we were getting red cards and yellow cards because we tackled too fucking hard. And it was Chad: Yeah. Byron: the same thing. The the impact was below the shoulder, but because we hit so hard, the heads were hitting shoulders. And we Chad: Yeah. Byron: we got red cards for that. So I'm glad that World Rugby's fixed that. We you know, give Chad: Yeah, no, it was good. Byron: credit where credit's due, but then also take away fucking credit because I have two points that might be wrong, but the fact that they weren't looked at is what pisses me off. The first Chad: Hit me. Byron: one is the Josh Morby's try, the second try for the All Blacks, the offload from Tupovae. Chad: The charge down. the forward, yeah. Byron: W they didn't even look if it was forward. When I watched Chad: Yeah. Byron: the the replay myself, obviously I've only got one angle to look at, and there's a player in the way. So it's hard for me to say with certain. But when I saw it live, I went, that's forward. I was I wasn't even mad that they scored the trial. I was like, sick, they'll bring it back. They didn't even look at it. So either it's clearly not forward, the TMO looked at it and I'm looking at something that is imaginary. Or at the very least, have a look. Chad: Yeah. Was that the one where there was also that charge down? It started off with a ch no, that was the Holland charge down. That that was that was later. That's my second I was so fucking angry at that one. Byron: no, no, no, no, no. I've that's that's that's my that's my second point. My second Okay. So in the beginning of the game, Est Etsabeth gets called for offside for his charge down. And I would admit you could argue if you watch that back that it's fifty fifty. Chad: Yeah. Byron: I think the ball is lifted, but I'm also biased. So it's hard for me to say. But if it's Chad: Yeah. Byron: that close You kinda you the ref makes his decision, you move on. The one that happened in the second half, was it what's his name? Fabian Holland. Chad: Holland. Yeah. Byron: If you watch that replay, the ball's not lifted when he starts. Chad: He was a whole And he was a w he was already off side. Like if you your Byron: Yes. Chad: your line should be the last last feet. Yeah. He Byron: Def wherever the last defender is, you need to be your foot needs to be behind that. And he wasn't. Chad: was no, like a foot ahead. Byron: And they didn't look at it. And that's Chad: Yeah. Byron: the part that's confusing me. Why were it they go back seventeen phases and twelve minutes when someone accidentally Chad: Yeah. Byron: touches the the the outside line, but where something is actually debatable, no one no one looks at it. Those those two points for me, I'd love I'd love to be able to see those those two tries from different angles to see if there were indeed either a a a forward pass and an offside. That's all. And and we l all I'm asking is for it to be looked at. Maybe we are wrong and it's not forward and it's not offside. Perfect. Chad: When have we been wrong? Name one time. Byron: Well Chad: Ha ha ha. Byron: But what I'm saying is I don't mind being wrong if there's no controversy around it. Chad: Yeah. Byron: Solve the controversy, show everyone that it's not forward, show everyone that it's not off site, and then there's no debate the next day. Chad: Yeah. Byron: But anyway, the i i if you if you get rid of those two tries, the whole game's different. what else did I have here? Chad: Yeah, but we also that last like the discipline in the l we gave away most of our penalties in that s second half. We had two yellow cards in fucking ninety seconds. Byron: After we lost that scrum penalty in the fifty-fifth minute, the whole game changed because we had to score there. Chad: There was no need Yeah. Byron: And we could have taken the three on the first scrum. We could have taken the three on the second scrum. Could have taken it on the third scrum. They wanted a yellow card penalty or a trial or whatever it was, and it just did not go our way. You can't take that many chances against the All Blacks. Chad: Not. I agree. Byron: What I do what I do also Chad: But said. Byron: want to talk about is obviously our our scrum was fantastic. but it took until the forty fifth Chad: Uh-huh. Byron: minute for us to get our own put into the scrum. We had no Chad: That's interesting. Byron: scrum put ins in the first half. They were all New Zealand Scrums. Chad: We won most of them. Byron: I think we won s three out of the eight. Yeah. Chad: Three. But brutally. Like that scrum. Byron: Yeah. No. Chad: Yes, it was bad. Even the one was it the New Zealand putting in the first half. I mean the second half. The their first one in the second half when we pushed them beyond like the the prop was Byron: Five, six, seven meters back. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was brutal. Chad: looking at the number eight's arse by the end of that scrum. Byron: can we talk about Damian Willemsa under the high ball? Chad: Incredible. What a man. Byron: What can't that man do? Step, run, jump. It's incredible. Chad: One of my highlights of the game is when Colby did that step, I don't know who Luke Jacobson, I it was. Byron: I I know exactly 'cause I have it written down. My exact words that I have written down here is is it? Where is it? What Colby did to Luke Jacobson was rude. Chad: It was b bad. Like Jacobson was d Byron: It it broke his ankles. It goes back to that debate we had, what's worse? To be stepped by Colby Chad: Yeah. Byron: or run over by Ethan Hooker or Korbus Visa. Brother, run me over. Run me over. Chad: Yeah, hit me. Hit yeah. Byron: Don't do that to me, Colby. Please. Chad: Yeah. Cause that was rough. He was just standing there like, And Byron: Ha ha Chad: what do you do? Like it's nothing you can do. Byron: You can't because you don't you don't know what he's doing. His his legs are doing this and then all of a sudden he's gone. Chad: It was so good. Byron: man, look, I know we're upset the game didn't go away. There were some calls that were strange. another one would be the Luke Jacobson where they had Corbus Visa as obstruction at the ruck. Chad: Yeah. Byron: And even I was looking at the the they said, no, Kurbus Visa was close enough to be in the ruck. so he's he's blocking Luke Jacobson from getting to the scrum half. If you watch it again, even if that were the case, which I don't believe it was, even if that were the case, he plays the nine from an off side position. Chad: Let's go watch a guide. Byron: The nine gets played from an offside position. So even if so it it was just a strange call for me. but look, I genuinely believe that actually, did you see what Russi said about the changes then he made the mistake and he takes the blame? Chad: No. Byron: So in the presser, there was the head injury to Kurtley Arons in the first half. And Ethan Chad: yeah. Byron: Hooker came on to inside center. Jesse Krill went to wing. Chad: Wing. Byron: Which I think you could have put Ethan Hooker at wing and it wouldn't have changed a thing. I think that would have been perfectly okay. Chad: Hundred Yeah. Byron: But Russi went on to say that that was his mistake. He shouldn't have done it that way. He because the way he shuffled the back line ruined the center pairing. Which made it more difficult on defense and on attack. So he takes the blame for that. He said if he could do it again, he would probably have put Grant Williams on wing and brought Corbus Reinach on at scrum half instead of putting Ethan Ethan Hook at at so Chad: So I'm actually a much better idea. Byron: he said he takes full blame for that. He made the mistake. He said the other option would have been to bring on Marnie Libbach, put Willemsa at wing. Chad: And my and Byron: and move Sasha into fullback. He said either of those options would have been better than ruining the center pair the center pairing with Jesse Creole and Damian Willemsa. Chad: Yeah. Byron: So I kind of agree with that. Looking back at it, I think that would have been a much better shuffle for the back line. Chad: Yeah, that is good. I d yeah, I didn't miss the Byron: Because to on that point the game did change after Curtie Ourenser came off. Chad: Yeah. Byron: So it's interesting 'cause obviously the lineup has been released already for next week. Chad: Do you wanna go through it? I've got it yep. Byron: Can you bring it up? Is it fancy? Are you fancy like that? Chad: Think so. Byron: Ooh ooh. Chad: Also, I didn't even know this was allowed. We've named it twenty-four men squad. Byron: Yes, I've never seen a squad release with a slash Chad: I know. I had someone ask me, is that Circles' English name? I was like, no. Not that I know of. Byron: That's a brilliant question. Chad: Yeah. Byron: While we wait for this to load, you might want to pop it off and pop it back up, unless it's not loading on my side and it's loaded on your side. Chad: I've got it s I can see it. Byron: then it's just loading for me, then give it a second. Paul DeVilius had an incredible game. Chad: Yeah. Byron: And the other thing that was incredible was Visa. Chad: Visa, brother, make what can you I Byron: I saw a tweet that said, How did you tackle him one on one? Chad: You don't. Byron: Ha ha. Chad: Easy. Next question please. Byron: Next question solved. Chad: Yeah. Easy. He is incredible. He's hell yes. Take my money, I'd watch him again and again and again and again. Byron: Yeah, that Alright, so Oxen Chair, Malcolm Marks, Wilkolo, hundred percent agree. No arguments there. Chad: Can't argue. It was w absolute winning recipe last week. Byron: I do have one argument. Chad: Mm. Byron: That's coming from the bench. There's no Zachary Portham. Chad: We haven't got the it Yeah. Byron: But we do have Thomas the toy, so it's hard to argue. Chad: Yeah. I wonder if you could have put instead of Steinerkamp, Paulton. Byron: No, because he's the prop on the other side, he's a loose head, Chad: Yeah. Byron: not a tight head. Yeah. Chad: But Thomas can do both, no? Byron: You are right. So then you would have Thomas come on as tight and Zach as loose. Chad: Yeah. Byron: I wouldn't be mad at that. I think that would be perfect. Chad: Anyway. Byron: then we have even Etzabeth and Ruan Nokia starting locks. I'm happy. I think Etzabeth played well. Chad: I'm happy with the whole f starting out for Android. Byron: And then here's the magic number six player. We have Sio Khaleesi slash Paul Davilius. Chad: How Russi does these things I don't know. It's Byron: But look, he he he did he his his reasoning makes sense. He said it's all dependent on Chad: Mm-hmm. Byron: C's fitness. If C is fit, Cia will play. If C is not fist, Paul DeVilius will play. Chad: It's just wild. I've never seen it done before. I don't think it's ever been done before. Byron: No, I don't think it's ever been done before either. I think well, that's because normally you wait until Thursday or Friday to see if the squad is fit and then you pick your team. Russi picked this team in July. Chad: Yeah, but Yeah. Byron: then you have Mr. Captain, Peter Stef the Toy, who had a great game as always. And then this absolute unit, Jasper Vesa at eight. Chad: Yep. Byron: don't know how I feel about this. Starting at nine is Corpus Reina. Chad: Yep. I Byron: I think Grant Williams. Chad: yeah, I think Grant Williams or do you know who I would love to see there? Mornay vanenberg or Papir? Byron: Well we're gonna see Mornay in a second. but I agree with you. I think Mornay and Papir, Grant Williams are probably our three best scrummies at the moment, but we'll see. Let's get you know, Quebus has done great things for South Africa in the past. Chad: He has. We've doubted him many a times and he's proved us wrong many more. Byron: He's also proven us right many times. Chad: Yeah. Byron: So, you know, take it all with a pinch of salt. Hundre Pollard, starting at 10, interesting, but I do like it. Chad: I think it's because we don't have a kicker. Byron: Yeah, 'cause there's no Colby Colves. Chad: Yeah. Byron: then we have Ethan Hooker eight eleven after his performance. Constant, no. Damien Delinda and Jesse Creel. Hopefully they stay as the center pairing. Kurtley Arenser is back from that HIA from Saturday. And then Chad: Yep. Byron: one of the best performances as always, the other Damien, Damien Willinger, at 15. Then the oldest Springbok. Chad: Dion Fare brother, after he's the way that he played the Stormers vs things, so stoked. I'm pumped. Yeah. Byron: I'm so happy for him. I'm so happy. I'm so happy. It's gonna be so exciting. Forty Forty years old. Chad: Thirty nine. Calm down. Byron: No no no, hold on. I saw this post. Someone sent me a post. Chad: He's like thirty-nine, eleven months something. Not forty. Don't disrespect the man. I don't know. He's probably one of the probably Byron: Then who was forty? There was a player that was forty. Chad: one of the oldest. Not the oldest, Springbok. The oldest one will be probably Scott Britz, I reckon. When he played in the 2019 Rugby World Cup. Byron: I don't know who posted it but I'll have to find it and but you might be right. I could be wrong. Chad: Yeah, I'll find I'll Google it while it does. Byron: then where were we? yeah, okay. So Dion Ferry at 16. Then we already spoke about the other props. Harat Stienkam, Thomas DeToy. Excuse me. Then Lutter Jacher, Andre Estherhazen supposed to come on as flank. confirmed by Rasi that his job last week was also to come on at flank. Didn't happen that way. interesting here is Cameron Hanekorm. Made Chad: Yeah. Byron: the squad. Instead of the other Visa brother, Corbus. Chad: Yep. Byron: Then our two proper back line substitutes we have Mornay Vandenberg, which I'm very excited to see play. Chad: Mm-hmm. Byron: and Sasha Feinberg and Gormazulu player number 23. Chad: Are you what did you think of Sasha's performance last week? Byron: Too many knock ons, unfortunately. Chad: Yeah. Do you think if you were selecting a side would have given Marnie another go? Byron: Interesting question. Hold on, let me Chad: Like I I still would have started Pollard and I would have I would have put Marnie on the bench and just given Sasha a week and brought him back next week. It's so tough because it's not like he's he's gone Byron: I w I was Chad: from Sasha's gone from being fucking fantastic for the stormers to having a average week and then coming back the next week and being a fucking superstar again. but I also feel like we need to give Marnie a go. Byron: More game time. Yeah, you know what? I actually agree with you. I think Mani's also they both are. They're both utility backs too. You know, you Chad: Mm. Byron: can put Miney at fullback. I think you can also probably put Sasha at wing. I think because they're coming on at player twenty three, you actually could have put both or either. I agree with you. Yeah. Chad: Yeah. Byron: You could have used either. then still on the greatest rivalry. I want to talk about I think this was ridiculous. There was an article written by this was from News 24, so South African news outlet. Chad: Mm-hmm. Byron: an article by Rob Howing. It says New Chad: Then I Byron: Zealand Tour of South Africa, rising evidence, this model isn't sustainable. I said, wait, what are you talking about? Here's an excerpt from it. It said if only from one nostril, given the context, is it safe to say South Africa's top rugby franchises currently show a collective bloody nose? Only the Lions now, quite commonly the country's weakest link in the United Rugby Championship era, wrong, can stave off a black wash by New Zealand in the four non test games of their tour here. It's a tall order for them. At very least, it would be a welcome tonic if the Johannesburg outfit can run the All Blacks dirt trackers close in the last of such encounters at Ellis Park on Tuesday, week 25th August. Brother, Chad: What? Byron: in what world is the club side supposed to beat the touring international side? Where? Chad: N yeah. Byron: When? If Chad: Yeah. Byron: I think we spoke about this a few weeks ago. There was it's happened two or three Exactly. And I think it's only happened Chad: Sorry, the club starts without the internationals either. Yeah. Byron: on two or three occasions where the club side has beaten the touring team. So what are Chad: Yeah. Byron: you talking about when you say is this a sign that South African rugby is falling because they're not beating the all blacks, who's currently world number one, with a club team with zero international players? Chad: Yeah. Byron: What are you talking about? do you know what you're watching? Chad: Well, he's got he's got us talking about him on the on the podcast. Byron: No, was ridiculous. Also, for him to go that the Lions are the country's Chad: Yeah. Byron: weakest link in the URC. Brother, did you s did you look at the log? Did you look at the log before you wrote this? Ridiculous, man. Chad: Has you not seen the sharks? Yeah. The bulls and the sharks are the the worst. Byron: no no that's curry cup. Look, the Bulls made it into the final, remember? no. Anyway, you know I guess if he's rage baiting at work 'cause that was a ridiculous article. Chad: That is wild. I was gonna ask you to send me the article, but I actually don't want to read it. Byron: No, it's it's is a waste of everyone's time. I don't even know the guy, but Mr Rob Howing, brother, read a book for me, please. Chad: Read a book for me is crazy. Byron: Ha ha ha. what else is there, Chad? What else have we missed? I'm so distracted. Chad: where do you think what do we have to do this week? I want I want to talk more about the Springbok game coming up. Byron: Okay, close this close the the the squad. We're done with it. Chad: I forget that I've got it open. I prefer looking at that than looking at you. Byron: I d I would that's that's not even that's just factual. Chad: what's this weekend? Byron: Mm-hmm. Chad: The first of okay, let's let's start with the game tomorrow morning. Do you reckon the Lions win? Byron: if to to make Mr. Rob Howie Chad: To prove him wrong. Byron: No, look, the Lions, I've always said play probably the most exciting rugby in South Africa. It doesn't always go their way, because of how they play. So I think it's gonna be fun to watch. It's also gonna be cool to have Keon Horn at fifteen against the All Blacks. Chad: Yep. Byron: I think for for him personally, He's he in his head, he should be saying, Let me put on a Springbok-esque performance against Chad: Yeah. Byron: the All Blacks because he wants to be chosen in the World Cup squad. So this is this is his chance to say that I'm a I'm a world-class fullback and I'm gonna show it against the All Blacks. Nico Stein at number nine is also gonna be exciting. I'm looking forward to it. There was someone else in that squad. the the the youngster at flank Śleka ni Chad: yep, yep, yep. We spoke about this last week. Byron: I'm also excited to see him against the All Blacks. massive step up in competition for him. But I think he's he's one of those players that we spoke about, has the potential to be in the the the Rugby World Cup squad. And this is his chance to prove it. Chad: I'm looking at the all black squad to face them tomorrow. Byron: Richie Chad: R Noah Hotham, Richimawanga, Tava Tava Nawai, Rico Yuani. And then bro. Byron: Also, you know you know who we didn't speak about for the All Blacks when he came on in the Chad: Mm. Byron: second half to replace Cody Taylor? Chad: Yeah. Byron: Fucking wrecking ball, that's what he is. An absolute wrecking ball. Chad: yeah, the when the replacements came on for the All Blacks it made a big difference. Byron: Agreed. I suffer Amour. He's he's Chad: Yeah. Byron: so strong. Like the watching s the springbox try and tackle him. He does he doesn't know how to stop running. He doesn't like Chad: Doesn't know how to stop running. Yeah. Byron: tackling is optional because he just he goes, I'm going forward. You come with if you want, but this is where I'm going. Chad: Yeah. Yeah. Good luck. Byron: Good luck, do what you gotta do after that. Chad: Yeah. Byron: sorry, I interrupted you. Please go, please keep going about this game. Chad: No, I'm just saying I'm looking at their their back lines disgusting. I it's gonna be tougher lines. Byron: Course. It's supposed to be tough for the Lions. Chad: Yeah. but I I reckon it's gonna be a Byron: Excuse me. Chad: big score. I hope they win. I want them to win. But fuck me daddy that's gonna be tough. There's g the back line like that. Byron: It's gonna be fun to watch what New Zealand does in this game. because I think Chad: Yeah. Byron: it it obviously the Lions aren't on the same level as the All Blacks. I don't think that's an insult. I think that's just the reality. but the Lions probably out of all the club sides that New Zealand has played on this tour is the most expansive open Chad: Mm. Byron: running team that they'll play in since New Zealand Yeah. Chad: And they're playing Yeah. They play it's like I was saying before, they're playing a a completely different style to the rest of the world and they've kinda gone back to their roots and fuck it's good. It's so exciting. Byron: They get the ball to the wing so quickly and so easily that it it stretches defenses. You saw it against us. Will Jordan's first try was just a Chad: Yeah. Byron: from the ruck straight to the wing try because we had shifted in, which is normal. And they just leave their wings or their flankers out on the wing and they hug that touchline and it forces Chad: Yeah, like Byron: the back line to spread. Chad: Yeah. Byron: Which the Lions do as well. Not at the same level, of course. but the Lions do the same thing. They run from their twenty-two, the all blacks run from their twenty-two. They love Chad: Yeah. Byron: the little chip kicks and the the twenty and the fifty-22 kicks. I think it's very similar styles of play. It's just played at different levels, obviously, because one's a club side with Add Internationals, and the other one is the All Blacks. Chad: That's yeah. well, we'll see tomorrow morning for me. you this evening. That'll be lacquer. Mm. Byron: Yes. Quick one on Saturday's game since we won't chat before then. I think that the box still have what it takes to win the series. Chad: do. I think so. I think Byron: I Chad: Yeah. I think we're gonna win three three mo three in a row. It's gonna be tough. Byron: I think we have I think we'll take a lot of learnings from this last game. Cause we Chad: Yeah. Byron: did make silly mistakes. and you can't make any mistakes against the all blacks. And let's just take our three points when they're available, please, man. Come on. Chad: That's gonna be my very next question to you. Do we take the three points or do we s fucking full send it and Byron: No. It's against the All Blacks. It's so hard to get points against the All Blacks. Take Chad: Yeah. Byron: them when they're on offer, man. Chad: Agreed. Byron: and then the only other thing I wanna say is that a bunch of the other rugby creators that we see on Instagram and stuff, they are having an absolute jaw at this. Chad: having s Bumper is over there having the time of his laugh. Byron: How sick was the the the Boomfa rugby cons matchup? They tied they tied each other to one to one another, tied tied each each other to one another. And then the pregame, the Chad: Yeah. attach the tape. Byron: game, how sick, man? Chad: It's gonna be so lacquer. I actually can't wait for you you need to start saving your pocket money because when it's here in the next one, Byron: I have to come. Chad: you have to. And I will abandon my family and we'll go up to wherever the games are and I'll come back. I'll Byron: Abandon my family. Chad: come back in a month. Byron: Ugh, all right. So then normally in the section where we tell everyone to like, share, and subscribe. Let's double down because we need to go to the World Cup next year. And Chad: Yes. Byron: it would be nice if if if if if you guys would help support us to make that so because I think I think it would be an absolute blast to be in Australia for the World Cup and go watch any games, really. I'd love to catch a Zimbabwe game. I'd love Chad: Yep. Byron: to catch a Hong Kong China game and obviously a Springbok game. And since Chad: Yeah. Byron: I'm there, a New Zealand game, an Australia game, Fiji game, Tonga game. Chad: Well the the one that's in that opening week, Zimbabwe versus the Wales, is the day before the Springbox in Italy game in Adelaide. Byron: Well then. Chad: Well, so stop fucking subscribing or else Byron: So clip it, send it. Chad, anything else you wanna cut before we we're done? Chad: That is it. I am all done. you're right. Dion Ferry is the oldest. he surpasses he's thirty-nine. the one before that was Victor Matfield at thirty eight and one hundred and seventy two days. Byron: So he's gonna be what thirty nine in how many days? Chad: Is it already thirty nine? Byron: Okay. Thirty nine and how many days? Chad: It doesn't d it just say thirty nine, Bart. I don't know what to tell you. Byron: Well, you told me Victor Matfield's exact date and d and GPS coordinates of his birth. Chad: That's what I know, it's dumb. It's it's given me Victor Matfield skulk britz is was thirty-eight and a hundred and forty-five days. And Dwayne for Mullen Byron: You see, days, days, days, but you got no day. Chad: it doesn't give me days, it says fucking thirty nine years old. It's all it says. That's all I've got, brother. I'll try to find his blood type and I'll give it to you next week. But Byron: Ha Chad: today we've got thirty nine. Byron: I love doing this shit. This is so much fun. Chad: Here we go, here's another one. Dionfree has played two hundred and seventy seven minutes across the Rugby World Cup in two thousand twenty three. There's another fun fact about him. Byron: But look, remember when we both said after that Stormers game, how sick would it be if he gets called up? Chad: Brah, he it was impossible not to call him up. Yeah. Byron: He earned it. He earned every every minute he's gonna play, he earned it. Chad: Yep. Agreed. Byron: I hope Q On Horn does the same thing. And and Flekanya. Tomorrow, tonight, together. All right. Like, Chad said, subscribe or else. Thank you very Chad: Ha ha ha. Byron: much for watching. And that's it, we've cut the cock. Chad: We have. Thank you, boss. See you later next week. Byron: Cal boca.