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Springbok & All Black Fans Collide Before Second Test! · Rugby Rivals - Sir John Kirwan & Victor Matfield

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  Straight in, I love it.
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  Right, let's go to a special edition of Rugby Rivals, brought to you by Ram Hand and Couriers.
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  We're doing something different with JK and Victor, basically on the piss.
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  We thought that we'd see what the fans think.
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  So we've got two different podcasts, one from New Zealand, one from South Africa, and I
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  So rather new sort of spelling shit, Ra, I think let's go to Dame.
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  Let's let the South Africans.
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  Are you happy with your team?
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  Are you happy with, you know, going into the game?
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  Are you in a good mood?
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  Well, firstly, I just want to say thank you to the Springboks and Rossi for losing that first game, just to make things interesting.
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  You guys understand.
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  It would have been kind of boring if Springboks just came out and smoked you guys in the first test.
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  So we make it interesting.
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  Draw my cells.
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  You get it?
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  So yeah, going into Cape Town, we're underdogs.
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  Do I like the team?
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  experience man like you can't buy experience so i'm running with that i hope so but as a springbok fan i want to win but as a rugby fan i want the series to be leveled as well so and i get that new zealanders don't care for that but i want like we've got to win man we've got to win i don't care if it's a kicking game or running game we just got to win
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  Is that scary, Rara and Gareth?
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  You know, because often a test match comes down to who needs to win it the most.
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  You know, that's often the deciding factor.
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  And so they're going to really need to win this one.
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  Boy, do they ever.
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  They really do.
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  But I don't know, Rara, you've got a little prediction of your own, don't you, mate?
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  Yeah.
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  everybody thinks out there that surely they're going to win this one, but I don't know.
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  Maybe I've got a feeling like the ABs might just be able to go two on the trot.
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  It's definitely going to be two in the trot.
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  I think we're on this.
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  We're I don't know.
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  Rick, you've been around a bit in these in these in these in these and these are now you're not old, but you know, you've been here.
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  You've seen you've seen a few iterations of this all black team.
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  And I don't know.
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  I got a sense of this this this growth that we've got going on.
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  And me and Gareth are talking about it.
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  We've got the old school principal vibe with Dave Rennie in there.
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  And he's just got this little slow build.
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  And sure, the Springboks are going to bounce back and try and take one off us after ripping their hearts out last weekend.
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  But, mate, we're only going to get better as well.
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  Just think about, like, what the growth that we've had in the last little while.
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  It's just going to keep going, mate.
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  And know that it's going to be a whitewash, Rick.
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  There's no doubt.
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  A whitewash!
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  It's ridiculous.
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  I love it.
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  Like, it's all well and good to say things beforehand, right?
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  Like everyone can, you can just say whatever beforehand and then the result comes out and then that whole tune changes, right?
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  It happened.
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  It happened to me.
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  It happens, right?
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  It happens to the best of us.
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  So you can say you're on a slow build.
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  You can say you've got the principal teacher vibe going on there.
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  But then when you lose in Cape Town and it's all leveled up and then you start questioning selections, you start questioning how you play.
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  Um, but I love the chat beforehand, man.
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  That's confidence.
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  That's confidence the Springboks had before test one.
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  And that's the confidence you guys have got now for test two.
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  Um, but, but is all I'm saying.
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  I just hope for the South African sake that they, so they can get out of this existential crisis that they win this game because the reaction of some of those media over there, I couldn't believe it.
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  They could not believe it.
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  They were sitting there.
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  They just had no idea.
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  They thought that was completely impossible that this could happen.
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  So you have to win this weekend.
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  Otherwise, I think some serious shit's going to go down over there.
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  I'll just ask you something, Dane.
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  So when the Springlands are hot on attack and they were scrumming and getting penalties for scrums, and...
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  the commentator, I was listening to the South African commentary, and Shimi was sort of saying, you know, if we get another penalty, then that's a yellow card.
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  That means that, you know, we'll have one of their players sent off, and we need to go for that.
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  We need, and I was thinking to myself, why don't you just go for scoring a try?
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  Yeah, exactly right.
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  Why don't they use that dominant play, right?
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  Get up their ability to set the ball wide.
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  Why are they so, can they not beat us 15 on 15?
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  Do they have to focus on trying to take players off to win a game?
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  It's the strong point, right?
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  Is the scrum, okay?
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  So, yeah, I'm there.
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  I'm here.
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  I'm here.
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  It's just...
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  It's the strong point.
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  It is a strong point, right?
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  But I'm also in the boat of...
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  Like, that was just trying to beat a dead horse.
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  Like, it doesn't matter if you're dominating the scrum and you're not scoring points.
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  Like, you need to fucking, we need to score points.
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  That's how you win the game.
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  It doesn't say on the scoreboard, dominated the scrums.
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  It says how much points you got.
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  So there's that fine, there's that fucking, there's that fine line, right?
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  If they did win that scrum, that Fletcher Newell one, there probably would have been a yellow card and they probably would have gone for another scrum and then it could have snowballed like that.
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  I think that, that,
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  That scrum from Fletcher Newell and those other boys that were on at the time, George Bauer on war was such a big turning point, man.
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  That literally changed the game.
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  So like while I'm on the side of, yeah, the Springboks scrum was dominant.
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  That All Black scrum, that was fucking huge, man.
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  That was huge.
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  But my points around mindset is like.
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  Yeah.
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  Do you see the scrum as a way of winning penalties and getting players off the field?
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  If you have a dominant scrum and you've got the defense going backwards, that's a great time to attack.
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  That's a great time to...
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  So do you think Rar and Gareth, our scrum, will stand up this week?
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  Yeah, definitely.
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  I mean, they will have, they can't, they don't want to spend an entire, yeah, just basing it on hope, yeah.
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  No, they don't want to spend an entire 55 minutes getting absolutely murdered in the scrum.
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  I mean, I think putting Vai back into lock, which Ra didn't agree with me on for a while, but I mean, I think that's a great move.
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  I think he plays excellently at lock.
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  So yeah, the scrum is going to be better.
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  So I'm just keen to know what South Africa's game plan is.
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  What is the tactic this way?
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  How do they play differently to dominate us in a different way?
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  I'm so intrigued.
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  And it's all about absorbing that pressure, right?
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  So South Africa is going to come at us.
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  They're going to smoke us in a couple of areas of the game, no matter what, for a certain period.
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  So it's just about, as Dave Rennie likes to put it, and I'm a bit worried about whether people might take this literally, about barring up.
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  Someone's got to give them that sort of the other meaning of what that actually means.
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  But I feel like he's telling everyone to bar up quite a lot.
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  Yeah, he's using that.
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  And I'm just a bit worried.
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  Not quite right.
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  You know, some of the youngers might take that the wrong way.
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  Yeah, barring up, yeah, it's not really what it means, but you know, whatever gets the boys going, I guess.
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  Yeah, true.
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  That's their term, you know.
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  Whatever gets the blood pumping, yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  I mean, a big change for South Africa is obviously Andre Pollard.
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  The saviour.
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  Yeah.
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  What South Africa need to do is be more clinical and not on attack.
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  That's their big pick.
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  You know, they need to, you know, use all those entries into 22 and turn them into points.
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  Is that Andre Pollard?
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  Is he going to be more clinical in the attack?
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  I mean, he's going to kick the ball a lot more.
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  Yeah.
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  Is he going to fire the attack you need?
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  You'd think with the experience he has, you'd have a bit more composure in those key moments of the game and would think a bit more, I guess, wider on what's happening.
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  I do think around all of that, I think, and you guys might not agree with this, you probably won't at all, but Siakulisi's experience around like whether to go for posts.
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  or whether to feel the momentum of the game and then back themselves to go for prize, even though he probably will only play for 30, 40 minutes, I think that will be a big part of the game as well.
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  Because like in that first test, we're going for three points.
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  to start, like, that sets the tone, I feel like, throughout the game.
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  It's like, no, we've been scoring tries.
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  Last year, we scored 50-something tries throughout the year.
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  We've been scoring tries.
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  Why, all of a sudden, the biggest game of the year, oh, let's kick for post.
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  Like, that makes no fucking sense at all.
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  Apparently, the weather's going to be shit this weekend.
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  But I want to see the guys use the ball, man.
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  We've got athletes out the back, Kurt Lee Orensen, Damien Brunser, Ethan Hooker.
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  Like fucking use these guys, man.
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  You've got a platform from the forwards, most dominant set piece in world rugby.
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  As a 10, you're sitting back going, fuck, every scrum, every line out, I've got front foot ball, let's use the ball.
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  And I hope they fucking do that.
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  If they don't, then I hope the All Blacks win because it fucking pisses me off, man.
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  Yeah, they have to.
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  They have to play like that, surely.
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  They've got to come back from the five tries to one.
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  There's been many a squeaky bum Springboks victory over the years, hasn't there?
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  A little scrape by by one point or so.
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  So yeah, I mean, it'd be awesome if they dominated, not for us.
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  It'd be great for you.
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  I'd be happy for you.
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  I'd be celebrating for you, mate.
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  Do you think there's so much respect between the two countries?
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  And Rasi did a lovely thing by asking for everyone to be silent to ruin the haka.
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  Do you think South Africa needs to put that aside a little bit and make it uncomfortable for us?
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  You know, why be nice?
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  Well, me and Gareth talked about this this week.
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  You know, like, there seemed to be in that first test quite a few distractions.
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  You know, we had D. Linde's 100th game where he brought on all of his whole extended family when he ran out of the tunnel.
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  We had a couple of jets, you know.
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  We had the jet flyovers.
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  You know, it was a lot of distraction and a lot of fanfare.
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  And, you know, maybe there should have just been a little bit more focus on...
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  you know what was in front of them you know and that's what i think they're going to bring this week so we've got to be honest for that yeah we've got another centurion this week don't we isn't that uh who's got their 100th game this week yeah right peter steph oh that's huge they're gonna get up for that aren't they
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  They're getting, they're getting, that's what we thought last week, mate.
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  No, yeah, but Delende doesn't really count.
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  This is Peter Steph.
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  What do you mean?
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  Delende doesn't count.
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  What is one of the best centers in the world of rugby?
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  What are you talking about?
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  Centurions for the spring box against the all blacks.
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  It's not a thing.
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  Like John Smith lost.
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  John Davilias lost.
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  Damien Gallander lost.
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  Peter Steff the Toy.
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  Oh, no.
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  Had a home game.
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  Home game for the Allbacks.
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  It's a curse.
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  The Cape Town fucking support for the Allbacks is through the roof, man.
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  So it's a – I still think they need to put the Eden Park record on show at Cape Town because it's a home game for you guys.
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  yeah i reckon they should time it so that the jet flies over during the haka like they did that one time just do it just ruin the haka just fly right through it and see what happens as long as they don't sing ole ole that that gets me i can't stand that oh yeah that's just a bit boy it's a bit basic isn't it yeah get a zulu dance out i wouldn't mind if they did that yeah do a dance yeah i know that'd be awesome yeah do a dance yeah
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  It would be nice to see someone do something in response to the Haka again.
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  Gone are the days of the Walsh and Matilda and stuff, but you know when people used to really front up and make a big line, and it was something that was really, there was a little bit of pushback, which I think is always quite cool.
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  It is a challenge at the end of the day.
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  You want something back.
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  Even just a little Owen Farrell smile would be nice.
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  Even just a little bit at the top of the V.
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  Why not?
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  Do something, make a funny shape, get in a circle.
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  I don't know.
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  A lick of the lips.
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  Henry Pollock.
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  Lick of the lips.
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  Lick of the lips.
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  The lick of the lips is brilliant.
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  The best response to the haka, I think, is not even focus on it.
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  Like, you guys do your haka, that's cool.
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  We're actually getting ready to beat you.
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  So we're not going to, that's your thing.
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  That's cool.
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  We'll respect it.
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  But at the same time, while you're doing it, we're thinking about how we're going to beat you.
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  I thought for me the most special moment of that game, for me personally,
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  We were seeing the old fella, Fitzy, out there with his little flag, you know, and then there was a moment when they went into the anthems and I could see Sean didn't really know where he was supposed to go, what he was supposed to do.
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  And I don't know if anyone even thought about it.
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  And then Artie saw him and then he went in and he just grabbed Sean by the waist and pulled him in and went, you know what?
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  You're the foundation on which this team was built.
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  You were part of this, you know, and to see, you know, Sean just loved that moment.
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  Um, just showed me.
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  Oh, it was beautiful.
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  How connected the team is to its history and the words like legacy and not just a marketing device.
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  I thought it was, I thought it was great.
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  Um,
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  All right, well, there's just so Dane, tell us just in summary, a little bit about your podcast and your prediction for the game.
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  So kick on rugby everywhere.
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  Uh, I I'm even on Tik Tok, even though I'm nearly 40 years old, but I'm on, I'm on Tik Tok as well, I kick on rugby, kick on rugby everywhere.
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  We've just started, uh, the Instagram again, because, uh, thanks super sports for copyright and, and pulling my Instagram account.
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  But, um, we're back on, on Instagram as well.
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  And it's just, it's all rugby, man.
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  I, I love my rugby.
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  Yes.
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  I'm a.
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  Yes, I'm a Springbok fan, but I kind of built my content and what I talk around being kind of non-biased, right?
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  So I'm just, it's rugby first.
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  Rugby always been first.
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  I'm very opinionated about rugby, but love it, man.
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  I love all the response, love the banter as well.
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  Prediction.
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  And I'm going to try something out here because my predictions have been absolutely trash this greatest rivalry tour.
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  So I'm going for the opposite, right?
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  I'm going, I'm going all blacks to win by eight.
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  And hopefully that flips down and then the screen box wins.
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  I love it.
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  Imagine if you're right.
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  and I'm wearing the springboks he might be yeah I'll take that I'll take that any day South African saying we're going to win Matt that's gold yeah that's worked for us last time worked a treat worked a treat yeah so I'm going for the opposite effect what do you think Ra?
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  we know what you think and now the Royal Blacks win
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  Are you speaking to me, sorry?
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  You don't want to know what I think, what my prediction is going to be?
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  It's going to be a whitewash, Matt.
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  We're going to be up probably, I don't know, 10 points at halftime, and I'm going, they'll come back at us, but I think we're going to push to a little maybe 15-point victory by the end of the game.
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  That's going to be us.
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  Yeah.
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  okay I'm not gonna go I'm gonna go I'm gonna go I'm gonna go a squeaky bum result to the all blacks I'm gonna go you know think like Richie McCaw through the middle of the line out or Izzy Dagg almost running it into the dead ball area that that kind of game but an all blacks victory you know they're not playing oh are they not no tell us tell us a bit about your show
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  At my show?
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  Well, combined your show.
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  Our SuperSmack.
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  Well, SuperSmack is a little podcast that we've been doing for what, nearly a year and a half, two years now.
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  It actually all started from a chat group called SuperSmack.
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  A bunch of mates who just give each other absolute shit about our Super Rugby teams
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  Ra supports the Chiefs, which is an unfortunate thing for him.
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  I'm a Hurricane supporter, the 2026 Super Rugby Champions.
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  All right, mate.
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  Naturally, a great time.
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  And then we've got a couple of other Blues or Chiefs supporters in there.
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  We don't have anyone from the Crusaders, and we made a conscious choice never to have anyone from Canterbury in our group.
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  And I think it's going to stay that way just because we were just afraid that they would always win, essentially.
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  why but uh yeah we review the super rugby and now we you know we get into the internationals when we started the podcast i don't think we thought there were going to be this many weeks of rugby in the year that we'd have to talk about so it's uh it takes a lot of time uh they play a lot of rugby we didn't really realize just how much rugby gets played between npc super and international so it's never ending it just goes it's never ending that
• 17:50
  man it's ridiculous how much play well but it's also about seeing seeing that yeah play a welfare for sure but it's about seeing the lighter stuff for us you know like we um we were always missing um um hearing about some of the funny moments and the the things that sort of happen away from the the usual punditry so that's kind of where that's our perspective on the pod so if you're um
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  Hopefully there's some people out there that are keen to have a little bit of a giggle with us.
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  We try to be funny.
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  Some people don't really like it.
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  I'm sure you get that a lot, Dane.
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  Some people don't seem to have a sense of humor out there, but hey, we try.
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  We try.
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  That's true.
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  Very trying.
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  All right, gentlemen.
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  Is there something on this game between you guys?
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  um no i'm not getting a tattoo i'm not you probably donned and you probably donned an all black jumper yeah and i look pretty good in that too yeah you do you do mate you're gonna look great in it next week i'm just not getting a tattoo it's not happening
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  Oh, that was insane, that guy doing that.
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  Did he actually got it in the end, right?
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  Yeah, yup.
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  Brilliant.
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  Yup, wild.
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  That's brilliant.
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  Wild.
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  Absolutely wild on the first game.
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  So dumb.
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  Yeah, no, that's dumb.
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  And that's, you know, with all due respect to him, it's making it about him, you know?
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  And it's not really about him.
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  Like, calm down, brother.
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  Content, content is content.
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  Content.
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  content is bullshit yeah you know like content is ego and as we wrap up this content well yeah um thanks for um putting your egos on display for us and uh let's catch up again next week sounds good yeah it'd be great mate thanks rick thanks boys guys go the ab's