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ANTONY - Podpah _1044 · Luke's English Podcast

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  Speaker 2: Hey, by the way, it's a holiday, but we're here live.
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  Speaker 2: Can I ask for a round of applause?
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  Speaker 3: Please, young man. Brazilian workers. You have to respect, man.
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  Speaker 2: And it's cold. It's cold in SP, huh, Gão? How
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  Speaker 2: are you, my Chiquinho Deliano?
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  Speaker 3: Stop it, man.
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  Speaker 5: Today is Corpus Christi, right?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. Cool, the church thing, right? I asked you how.
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  Speaker 2: You are, son of a bitch.
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  Speaker 3: I'm fine.
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  Speaker 2: Damn.
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  Speaker 5: You called me Chiquinho da Eliana and I forgot the
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  Speaker 5: rest of what you said. Chiquinho da Eliana, I remember
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  Speaker 5: his belly, suspensory, he came jumping like this.
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  Speaker 2: Wonderful.
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  Speaker 5: I wanted to have the fucking melocotón, my mom bought
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  Speaker 5: it from Paraguay.
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  Speaker 2: It was blue, the thing, being that it was purple. Purple, yeah. Look,
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  Speaker 2: you come home, ask for something to eat. Do you
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  Speaker 2: know what doll I had? Feriado, stay with us.
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  Speaker 3: The one with the syrup.
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  Speaker 2: But it wasn't original.
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  Speaker 3: It was original. My uncle gave me the original. You
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  Speaker 3: would squeeze the hand of the syrup, speak... Rapaz!
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  Speaker 5: You would speak that, several... You would speak the words
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  Speaker 5: in his ear. Then he would repeat. Wow, that for
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  Speaker 5: the kid from Paraná saw ET and was feeling.
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  Speaker 5: There's not much time left for Brazil's debut against Marrocos
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  Speaker 3: More than one goal.
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  Speaker 5: It's a 2x1.
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  Speaker 3: Winning is what matters.
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  Speaker 2: That's it.
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  Speaker 3: My conterrâneo.
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  Speaker 2: Osasco.
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  Speaker 3: Osasco is at home.
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  Speaker 5: A big hug to Inferninho, Maná, Sete Campos, Jardim Roberto,
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  Speaker 5: Santo Antônio.
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  Speaker 2: It's us!
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  Speaker 3: Antônio, our guest of the day, applause! Are you.
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  Speaker 2: Crazy? Respect!
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  Speaker 4: Good!
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  Speaker 3: Have you been to Antônio' s house? Yes, bro, I've been there.
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  Speaker 2: Are you okay, bro?
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  Speaker 3: How are you?
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  Speaker 4: I'm fine, bro.
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  Speaker 3: It's great, bro. My degree, my degree is here with you.
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  Speaker 4: And a shout out to the guys from Inferno, Osasco
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  Speaker 4: is in the area.
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  Speaker 2: You guys are talking, it's a pleasure to have you here, bro.
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  Speaker 2: You're beautiful.
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  Speaker 3: Imagine, the name of Quebrada is Inferno.
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  Speaker 2: So, that's what I want to know. Where did you
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  Speaker 2: come from? It's awesome, right? Where did you know the
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  Speaker 2: origin of Inferno, but... What's there in Inferno? The dance.
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  Speaker 3: The dance of Inferno.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah?
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  Speaker 4: And.
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  Speaker 3: There was a red light.
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  Speaker 2: I see.
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  Speaker 3: Once I went there, and then.
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  Speaker 2: No, but it's because of that.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, because it's a muvuca, vucu-vucu, inferninho, I go there
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  Speaker 5: in the inferninho, you know? It's all calm, but there's
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  Speaker 5: a place that's not calm.
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  Speaker 3: Ah, I got it.
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  Speaker 2: It's the inferninho.
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  Speaker 3: It's going down, it's getting lower too, that's why.
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  Speaker 4: No, bro, the name already sums it all up.
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  Speaker 2: You came from there?
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  Speaker 4: I came from there, bro, I lived there for 19 years, bro.
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  Speaker 4: I played in São Paulo, professional, the guys watched me
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  Speaker 4: on television and stuff, I used to go back to Quebrado,
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  Speaker 4: the guys... Man, I just saw you playing.
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  Speaker 2: It was us.
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  Speaker 4: We played some tricks with the guys at dawn.
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  Speaker 2: Really?
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  Speaker 4: I swear.
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  Speaker 5: Bro, how was your creation, your childhood in Osasco?
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  Speaker 4: Man, really, man. Man, I miss it there, man.
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  Speaker 2: Really?
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  Speaker 3: Really.
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  Speaker 4: Whenever I have a chance, a space, I always try
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  Speaker 4: to stick there, you know? I think it's something that
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  Speaker 4: I stick and I feel like me, man. Like Anthony Moleque,
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  Speaker 4: you know? That came out.
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  Speaker 2: Of there, man.
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  Speaker 4: So.
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  Speaker 3: Is it the only place you feel like Anthony before football? Yeah, man. Really.
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  Speaker 3: I can stick it anywhere.
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  Speaker 4: But when I go where I used to live in
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  Speaker 4: the favela, I go to the beach, put on a
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  Speaker 4: racionais to play, and I see the favela.
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  Speaker 3: Where did you live specifically?
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  Speaker 4: I lived in a crazy place. It was like in
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  Speaker 4: front of... It was like Domingão watching a game and Cheirão... Corcomeron. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: it looked like he was at home.
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  Speaker 2: But how was your childhood? Did you play a lot?
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  Speaker 2: Did you go to school? How was your childhood in Osasco?
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  Speaker 4: I always went to play soccer. I remember when it
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  Speaker 4: was today. My mother's day off was on Thursday. I
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  Speaker 4: would say, mom, I'm going to stay home with you today.
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  Speaker 4: It was school time, I would go to the square
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  Speaker 4: to play soccer with the kids. Did you always play? Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: I used to play soccer with the kids. So my
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  Speaker 4: childhood was like.
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  Speaker 4: Man, very suffering, but also with a smile on his face,
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  Speaker 4: you know? It was fun, that thing, man.
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  Speaker 3: But, ok.
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  Speaker 4: You never had another problem.
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  Speaker 5: It was always the ball and that's it.
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  Speaker 3: It was always the.
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  Speaker 4: Ball, man.
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  Speaker 5: How did the first opportunities for you to start dedicating
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  Speaker 5: yourself to the ball come about?
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  Speaker 4: Man, my brother used to play, you know? My brother
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  Speaker 4: is 30 years old today. I work as my agent,
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  Speaker 4: my business man. That's cool, man. And he always inspired me, man.
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  Speaker 4: Because my brother in futsal, he was dumbfounded, man.
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  Speaker 2: So.
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  Speaker 4: You know, people believed in my brother more than in me, bro.
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  Speaker 4: Because he was very talented.
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  Speaker 3: A lot of ball.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, bro.
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  Speaker 3: What did you play?
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  Speaker 4: Fixed? Man, I played with the wing. You know, canhoto too.
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  Speaker 4: The shot I make, bro, I learned with him, you know?
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  Speaker 3: Really?
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  Speaker 4: After the soccer, I did the thing, bro.
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  Speaker 3: So, the player in your house was your brother. It was, bro.
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  Speaker 4: That's crazy, bro.
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  Speaker 3: It was.
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  Speaker 4: Because when my brother started playing at Barueri, I didn't
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  Speaker 4: play yet. I only played there in the favela, bro.
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  Speaker 4: And then, thanks to my brother, the director saw it
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  Speaker 4: and took me too, you know? But it all started
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  Speaker 4: with my brother. But you were already known as a
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  Speaker 4: pivot player.
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  Speaker 2: You were already different. The kids would say, hey, this
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  Speaker 2: kid plays. Yeah, man.
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  Speaker 4: But like I said, my brother was more talented, man,
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  Speaker 4: if you see.
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  Speaker 2: And he was older too, so he was.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, too, man.
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  Speaker 3: And what went wrong with your brother?
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  Speaker 4: Ah, man, I was always a kid, like... I'm talking
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  Speaker 4: about me, you know? My brother, man, he.
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  Speaker 2: He.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, but he didn't give up so much, you know?
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  Speaker 4: And I didn't calm down until I could do the things,
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  Speaker 4: you know? It was a lot of that. My mom
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  Speaker 4: always said that about me, bro.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, so you started the first one also in futsal?
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  Speaker 4: Yes, futsal, bro, barefoot, bro. Yeah, I played barefoot.
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  Speaker 3: And where did you play futsal?
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  Speaker 4: Like I said, I started in Favela and then I
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  Speaker 4: went to Barueri. I went to Barueri when I was
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  Speaker 4: very young.
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  Speaker 2: How old were you?
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  Speaker 4: About 8 or 9 years old. It was very different.
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  Speaker 3: But there was futsal?
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  Speaker 4: Yes, there was futsal.
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  Speaker 3: But it was another level, right?
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 4: Because I always loved futsal, you know? Like, when I
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  Speaker 4: had to give up futsal to stay on the field,
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  Speaker 4: it hurt me.
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  Speaker 3: Why was that?
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  Speaker 4: Man, it was in 2012, 2013, when I trained in
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  Speaker 4: São Paulo, you know? Then I had to give up, bro.
• 10:22
  Speaker 2: How was this conversation? How was this invitation? First, how
• 10:26
  Speaker 2: did you get to São Paulo?
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  Speaker 4: So, bro, it was through a friend of my father
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  Speaker 4: who saw me playing, you know? And then, in fact,
• 10:32
  Speaker 4: look how crazy, bro, that's it. Because I go with
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  Speaker 4: my brother to São Paulo, my brother also arrived there
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  Speaker 4: to São Paulo at the base, in the field, already
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  Speaker 4: in Cotia.
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  Speaker 3: So you were saying, bro, we're going to make the
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  Speaker 3: sound together.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, you know? We went together, bro. And we didn't
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  Speaker 4: have the condition, bro. to go, you know? And then
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  Speaker 4: my father started working in the morning at the time
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  Speaker 4: of training, bro. And then my brother and I said, man,
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  Speaker 4: there was a friend of ours there that he was there,
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  Speaker 4: you know? So we take the carona with him and
• 11:01
  Speaker 4: we go to the CT, bro. Because we didn't have
• 11:03
  Speaker 4: the money to pay the bus, the driving, the stuff,
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  Speaker 4: to go back.
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  Speaker 2: I'll even eat there too.
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  Speaker 4: There wasn't, you know? The boy goes and is dispensed, bro.
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  Speaker 2: Wow.
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  Speaker 4: Then me and my brother left São Paulo, bro.
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  Speaker 3: Because he lost the carona. It was in 2000 and... 10,
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  Speaker 3: I was about 10 years old.
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  Speaker 5: How did you lose the opportunity in São Paulo because
• 11:19
  Speaker 5: you were in trouble? It's because you didn't have the money.
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  Speaker 4: We stopped going to São Paulo, you know? We stopped, bro.
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  Speaker 4: And then we were away for a while, and then
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  Speaker 4: in 2013, more or less.
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  Speaker 3: But in that half period, where were you?
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  Speaker 2: Barueri, bro. Because the times were....
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  Speaker 4: With my father's working hours, so my father could take us,
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  Speaker 4: or my mother, you know? But in São Paulo we couldn't, bro.
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  Speaker 2: Man, but didn't you get frustrated? Like, bro, it was
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  Speaker 2: for us to be there, man. It was for us
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  Speaker 2: to be there.
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  Speaker 4: We stayed, right, bro? There's no way we couldn't stay,
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  Speaker 4: you know? And I always went to São Paulino, bro.
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  Speaker 4: I said, man, I think we're here, bro. You know?
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  Speaker 2: Newbie.
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  Speaker 3: As much as he's a newbie, bro.
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  Speaker 2: Then came Barueri, bro.
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  Speaker 4: We kept playing futsal there, the stuff. And it was
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  Speaker 4: in 2013 that I came back, you know?
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  Speaker 2: Through a.
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  Speaker 3: But was it Peneira? What was it, Antônio?
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  Speaker 4: So it was a test. At that time, me and
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  Speaker 4: my brother passed the test, bro. So, like, we had
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  Speaker 4: already stayed in São Paulo, you know?
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  Speaker 3: And your brother was also an attacker?
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  Speaker 4: My brother is a half, bro.
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  Speaker 3: So it was quality, really.
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  Speaker 4: If he came, it would be right, right?
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  Speaker 3: My brother there serving me, you know? Just assistance.
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  Speaker 4: It would be awesome, right?
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  Speaker 2: It would be awesome.
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  Speaker 4: But it's awesome that, like, today he lives everything with me,
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  Speaker 4: but in another way.
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  Speaker 3: He must have taken a nap, saying, bro, go there
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  Speaker 3: to train. I'm here.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: This is awesome, man. Today he's so happy.
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  Speaker 3: You managed to realize yourself, right, man? Okay, okay.
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  Speaker 5: But for you, how was it to reconcile the dream
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  Speaker 5: of playing football and the reality inside the house that
• 12:46
  Speaker 5: the reality told you that you couldn't play football? How
• 12:48
  Speaker 5: did you balance these things? What did you do? Did
• 12:50
  Speaker 5: you ask your mom to go, for her to make
• 12:52
  Speaker 5: an effort? Or did you understand? How was it to
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  Speaker 5: turn around, to say, man.
• 13:00
  Speaker 3: From here, it seems that it will become professional.
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  Speaker 4: You know? Man, it's very crazy that it's history, you know?
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  Speaker 3: Because, man.
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  Speaker 4: It all starts with fun, you know? You there playing
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  Speaker 4: ball with your friends, wanting it's just a fun. Without responsibility.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, man.
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  Speaker 4: You see the guys playing, it's cool. It's a dream
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  Speaker 4: to be a player and such. But in the beginning,
• 13:16
  Speaker 4: very new, it's all fun, man. But as time goes by,
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  Speaker 4: you'll see that, man, it starts to get serious, you know? Like,
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  Speaker 4: I started in Barueri. I'm going to São Paulo, you've
• 13:31
  Speaker 4: seen it here.
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  Speaker 2: It's different.
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  Speaker 4: Things start to change, man. You start to say, man,
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  Speaker 4: is this dream real, man?
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  Speaker 2: You know?
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  Speaker 4: And I think that everything.
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  Speaker 3: You've been through, everything was an adaptation.
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  Speaker 5: Because playing ball in the favela is one thing, playing
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  Speaker 5: ball in Barueri was another. Playing in São Paulo, when
• 13:45
  Speaker 5: you get to São Paulo, do you have a difficulty?
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  Speaker 5: Do you say, wow, the level here is up, how
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  Speaker 5: is it?
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  Speaker 3: Or did you do well?
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  Speaker 4: Man, there's even, you know? But, man, we... Because the
• 13:53
  Speaker 4: kid doesn't unwind, right, man? Yeah, but you had.
• 13:55
  Speaker 2: You had said that it was difficult, like, to leave
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  Speaker 2: futsal to go to the field. How was the first
• 14:00
  Speaker 2: time he.
• 14:02
  Speaker 4: Man, I'll tell you, even today I go stepping on
• 14:04
  Speaker 4: the ball, man.
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  Speaker 2: I can't, man.
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  Speaker 3: I can't, you know? Lose this thing of futsal. But
• 14:10
  Speaker 3: did they fight with you?
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  Speaker 4: Man, there was a coach who already said, oh, dominate
• 14:14
  Speaker 4: like this. I said, oh, I'm sorry, but this is my.
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  Speaker 3: Boss car, man.
• 14:17
  Speaker 4: You know? Like this. I feel much more confident when
• 14:19
  Speaker 4: I control like this than.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, man. Driving with the foot plate.
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  Speaker 4: You know? So, man... Man, he.
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  Speaker 3: Did several roles, man.
• 14:27
  Speaker 4: He played... Then we went to a little school in
• 14:29
  Speaker 4: São Caetano, when we were kids, we were standing for
• 14:32
  Speaker 4: more than 45 minutes.
• 14:34
  Speaker 2: Wow, you got to the training tired, man.
• 14:36
  Speaker 4: Ah, but it was, man, it was just because we
• 14:38
  Speaker 4: were standing, because my mother gave the money from the
• 14:41
  Speaker 4: pass counted, man, you can't even buy a bullet, you know?
• 14:44
  Speaker 4: Then we gathered the guys and said, no, man, let's walk,
• 14:46
  Speaker 4: let's go back walking, let's eat a little thing, buy
• 14:48
  Speaker 4: some snacks, some stuff.
• 14:49
  Speaker 3: And let's walk changing the idea, you know? And when
• 14:52
  Speaker 3: you're a kid, bro.
• 14:53
  Speaker 2: You're full of energy, right?
• 14:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah.
• 14:55
  Speaker 4: Like, nowadays I can't, you know?
• 14:57
  Speaker 2: 45 minutes walking to train, man. I get stressed, bro.
• 14:59
  Speaker 2: Imagine walking, bro.
• 15:00
  Speaker 4: That's true. But it was a thousand degrees, bro.
• 15:03
  Speaker 2: It's crazy.
• 15:03
  Speaker 4: Okay, but when you arrive in São Paulo.
• 15:05
  Speaker 5: For the second time, bro, there, in 2013, do you
• 15:06
  Speaker 5: feel that there... What did you have to do to...
• 15:08
  Speaker 5: You didn't lose that chance again, you know?
• 15:11
  Speaker 3: Man, I went through some crazy things in São Paulo,
• 15:13
  Speaker 3: that I was three times.
• 15:14
  Speaker 4: On the list of expenses, you know?
• 15:21
  Speaker 3: Wow, and do they talk?
• 15:23
  Speaker 4: Are you in the O?
• 15:24
  Speaker 3: You can go out.
• 15:26
  Speaker 4: I'm in the O, I'm in Corda Bamba. Really? You know?
• 15:28
  Speaker 4: But I've always been a guy, like I told you,
• 15:30
  Speaker 4: I've always been a very hard-working guy, man. And I
• 15:33
  Speaker 4: knew that, man, my family depends on me, you know?
• 15:34
  Speaker 4: My brother always changed a lot of ideas, like, man,
• 15:39
  Speaker 4: do things there and leave the problems at home, you know?
• 15:41
  Speaker 4: Because imagine, man, at home, at dawn, the water would
• 15:44
  Speaker 4: come in, it had to dry. Man, I didn't have
• 15:46
  Speaker 4: a room, you know? I slept on the couch. So
• 15:49
  Speaker 4: this is the reason why I can't lose this opportunity anymore.
• 15:53
  Speaker 3: At that moment, did your brother already give up the ball? Yes, bro.
• 15:58
  Speaker 3: So this must have been hard for you too, right?
• 16:00
  Speaker 4: You lost your partner.
• 16:01
  Speaker 3: My parents separated in 2010.
• 16:02
  Speaker 4: It was Tubac, you know? Tubac, I slept with them.
• 16:04
  Speaker 4: I felt the lack of my mother. My mother left
• 16:07
  Speaker 4: the house. And all these things.
• 16:12
  Speaker 3: Oh, you stayed with your dad. I said, man, I
• 16:14
  Speaker 3: need to do it, I need to, I'm going to turn, man.
• 16:16
  Speaker 4: And that's it.
• 16:17
  Speaker 2: In terms of money, so that you, the first time,
• 16:20
  Speaker 2: you couldn't go, how was it the second time? Like that,
• 16:22
  Speaker 2: of money? Of money, to be able to go, driving, pa.
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: There is another thing, because, like I told you, a.
• 16:27
  Speaker 4: Friend of my father, who took me to São Paulo,
• 16:30
  Speaker 4: already took me home, left me there on the 21st
• 16:33
  Speaker 4: kilometer of Raposo, if I'm not mistaken, passed the bus
• 16:36
  Speaker 4: to São Paulo there, left us there on the CT,
• 16:38
  Speaker 4: and I remember when I was five and a half,
• 16:41
  Speaker 4: When the 35 and a half was over, they would
• 16:42
  Speaker 4: leave us in that distance. The guy would pick us
• 16:45
  Speaker 4: up and leave us at home. There were a lot
• 16:48
  Speaker 4: of angels in the middle of the road.
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: How was the routine at that time? Just for those
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: who want to become players.
• 16:55
  Speaker 4: I'll tell you, it was tough. Because I studied... I
• 17:00
  Speaker 4: studied at Conceição, you know? Imagine, bro.
• 17:04
  Speaker 3: Do you know where Conceição is? Of course I know
• 17:06
  Speaker 3: where it is.
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: The guy laughed. Conceição is a good school.
• 17:10
  Speaker 3: Wow, it's like fire. Those teachers. The students threaten the teachers.
• 17:16
  Speaker 4: It's a quiet thing.
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: Students smoking cigarettes in class.
• 17:19
  Speaker 3: Yes, yes.
• 17:19
  Speaker 4: Man, and then I... At night there's no class, better than.
• 17:24
  Speaker 4: When it started, I started studying at Conceição, man. Because
• 17:27
  Speaker 4: it was the only place that had morning vacancy, man.
• 17:29
  Speaker 4: And then I left, man. But I went crazy several
• 17:32
  Speaker 4: times there too. Sometimes I was at the bus stop,
• 17:34
  Speaker 4: I would say... 496, man.
• 17:35
  Speaker 3: I would say, man.
• 17:40
  Speaker 4: I get it or not, bro. I get it or not,
• 17:42
  Speaker 4: you know? I said, ah, no, bro. I'll pretend I
• 17:44
  Speaker 4: didn't even see, bro. You know? The bus pass by
• 17:46
  Speaker 4: and I went back home, bro.
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: Ah, the bus didn't pass by.
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: No, bro.
• 17:49
  Speaker 3: I was late, do you believe it? I told my mom.
• 17:52
  Speaker 4: My mom, bro. Sometimes my mom says, ah, you're late?
• 17:54
  Speaker 4: I'm going to pick you up and leave you there
• 17:56
  Speaker 4: to go to the second class, bro.
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 17:58
  Speaker 3: Ah, I don't have what to do. Bro, then I broke,
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: you know? But, bro.
• 18:01
  Speaker 4: And then, I started studying there. So, I went in
• 18:06
  Speaker 4: the morning, bro. I woke up at 6 o'clock in
• 18:07
  Speaker 4: the morning. I went to school and came back because
• 18:11
  Speaker 4: the guy was already waiting for me, so sometimes.
• 18:15
  Speaker 5: I didn't have time to have lunch. Yeah, because you couldn't,
• 18:17
  Speaker 5: sometimes you had.
• 18:18
  Speaker 4: To do it. The guy is there, bro. Exactly, bro. So, bro,
• 18:22
  Speaker 4: I went, I changed quickly, I went up, the guy
• 18:23
  Speaker 4: already left me on the kilometer, the bus passed. And
• 18:26
  Speaker 4: it was very crazy, bro, because sometimes the train ends
• 18:28
  Speaker 4: at 5h10 and the bus leaves at 5h30, but losing
• 18:29
  Speaker 4: the bus was already, bro.
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 18:30
  Speaker 4: So, I would eat when I got home, bro, like
• 18:33
  Speaker 4: 9 o'clock at night, you know? Wow.
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: Did you ever lose the buzzer?
• 18:41
  Speaker 4: No, man.
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: Because.
• 18:42
  Speaker 4: Because you can't, man.
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: Because he said that if he lost it, he couldn't
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: lose it.
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: You couldn't lose it.
• 18:46
  Speaker 4: You couldn't, man. And it was very crazy, because we
• 18:49
  Speaker 4: started to adapt, man. Like, me and some partners who
• 18:52
  Speaker 4: did the same run too. He said, man, we have
• 18:56
  Speaker 4: to adapt to this, man. We can't eat. Let's start
• 18:58
  Speaker 4: buying some snacks, man. On the way back, everyone gets
• 19:01
  Speaker 4: together and eats a little, because otherwise you can't, man. Man,
• 19:04
  Speaker 4: and this in the club.
• 19:06
  Speaker 5: The people, not that it's the club's responsibility, but the
• 19:10
  Speaker 5: people who are there managing the club, the club's adults,
• 19:13
  Speaker 5: do they know about these conditions, sometimes, of the athletes, man?
• 19:17
  Speaker 4: Ah, they know, man. It's like, like, there was something
• 19:19
  Speaker 4: to eat in the club, you know, but if the
• 19:22
  Speaker 4: training ends, man, 5h10.
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: 5h15, you can't sit, eat, make a dish.
• 19:27
  Speaker 4: Man, in Cotia it's huge, man.
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: I've been there, you know?
• 19:30
  Speaker 4: And we climbed that ramp every day, man. Imagine, with
• 19:33
  Speaker 4: 5 minutes, 10 minutes to take a shower and change clothes,
• 19:36
  Speaker 4: how are.
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: You going to eat, you know? Man, so straight away,
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: without having.
• 19:40
  Speaker 4: Lunch, without eating in the afternoon.
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: Several times, bro.
• 19:42
  Speaker 4: Several and several times, bro. We would make the snack cow,
• 19:44
  Speaker 4: that's why her walk is hard, you know? Yes. But
• 19:46
  Speaker 4: it's worth it, bro. So you would get home at
• 19:47
  Speaker 4: 9 o'clock... at school. I couldn't.
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: Studying at Conceição, I couldn't. You know?
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: Look at him playing.
• 19:55
  Speaker 4: It's not like that, man. You don't think so. Yeah,
• 19:58
  Speaker 4: the broken one is a nightmare, bro.
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: It's fire, bro.
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: What was going through your mind at that moment? You
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: said it would work out, there was a lot of pressure,
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: your family put a lot of hope in you. How
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: was your mind at that moment?
• 20:19
  Speaker 4: That's why when you have a strong base, for me
• 20:23
  Speaker 4: it's the key. Like I said, my brother said, I
• 20:27
  Speaker 4: just want you to be worried about playing football.
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: The rest is not up to you.
• 20:32
  Speaker 4: The rest is not up to you. And it's been
• 20:34
  Speaker 4: like that until today.
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: Sometimes.
• 20:35
  Speaker 4: There are some things that he solves outside that I
• 20:38
  Speaker 4: only know later, bro. He said, no, bro, it's to
• 20:40
  Speaker 4: not bring you worry.
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but you have to deprive yourself, right, André?
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: You know?
• 20:44
  Speaker 4: So you see that it's a thing. Not only my brother, bro,
• 20:46
  Speaker 4: but my sister too. Kiss to my sister who's following there.
• 20:49
  Speaker 4: That's cool. My family, you know? It's always been like this, bro.
• 20:52
  Speaker 4: And it's like I told you, I put it in
• 20:55
  Speaker 4: my head that, bro, I need to turn, bro.
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: But there was no one.
• 20:58
  Speaker 5: Because sometimes the people who are close don't do it
• 21:00
  Speaker 5: for bad. But there was no family member who said
• 21:03
  Speaker 5: like this, André, give up, bro. Just give up, man.
• 21:06
  Speaker 5: You need to keep working. There was someone close to
• 21:08
  Speaker 5: you that.
• 21:08
  Speaker 4: Man, I can't think of names now. But there's always someone, man.
• 21:12
  Speaker 4: There's always someone, man.
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: But then... Playing reality on your face, like.
• 21:15
  Speaker 4: Man, even more because I was very quarrelsome, you know?
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: You were? I was, man.
• 21:18
  Speaker 4: People thought I wouldn't turn out for that, man.
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: You were a little whore.
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: I was, man.
• 21:22
  Speaker 4: Like, when I was little, I used to play in
• 21:24
  Speaker 4: the drug trade, man. You know? I used to like playing.
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: These games, like... Because the atmosphere was.
• 21:29
  Speaker 4: Yeah, bro, the stick really broke, bro. Yeah, the stick, right?
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: And has this wrong.
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: Life ever knocked on your door? Bro, you have the opportunity,
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: you know? To say no, bro. Man, imagine, you.
• 21:36
  Speaker 4: In front, on the street. Every day you're seeing this, bro. But, like,
• 21:42
  Speaker 4: the advice itself is that it's an illusion, right, bro?
• 21:46
  Speaker 4: There's no way. One hour, bro, the bill arrives, you know?
• 21:50
  Speaker 4: The sport, the study, there's no way. And, like, I'm
• 21:52
  Speaker 4: very grateful to God for my family, bro. For always
• 21:54
  Speaker 4: protecting me even in that, you know? My dad left
• 21:56
  Speaker 4: at 5 o'clock, he came back... It was 9 in
• 21:59
  Speaker 4: the morning. My mom worked in a store and didn't
• 22:01
  Speaker 4: have a kickstand. She used to get a hidden kickstand.
• 22:04
  Speaker 4: She was like, be careful with your stories. Everyone knows.
• 22:07
  Speaker 4: All mothers would do that. And then I put it
• 22:11
  Speaker 4: in my mind, after a while you're creating maturity, you
• 22:13
  Speaker 4: see that the dream is real. I said, man, I
• 22:22
  Speaker 4: need to make a big move.
• 22:24
  Speaker 5: Ok, you were saying that in São Paulo, at the base,
• 22:26
  Speaker 5: you were on the dispensary list a couple of times.
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: Was there a day when you changed everything?
• 22:33
  Speaker 4: Look how crazy this story is, man. I remember it
• 22:36
  Speaker 4: happened on a Friday. The guys did something to me, man,
• 22:39
  Speaker 4: that I still don't understand, you know?
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: It's very old.
• 22:42
  Speaker 4: They did something to me that I still don't understand, man.
• 22:45
  Speaker 4: I was under 15. They told me I was 14.
• 22:48
  Speaker 4: I was like, how am I going to compete with
• 22:51
  Speaker 4: my age? It doesn't exist, right?
• 22:53
  Speaker 5: It's normal, when the guy is doing well, he plays.
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: I.
• 22:55
  Speaker 4: Told my dad, it was on Friday. I was unrolling
• 22:57
  Speaker 4: in the training. I said, if I don't go up,
• 22:59
  Speaker 4: I want to leave. I want to go to another club.
• 23:02
  Speaker 4: I was already going through a lot. I got it,
• 23:05
  Speaker 4: I got it. Then I went up on a Friday.
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: I did the last training on Saturday, I went up.
• 23:16
  Speaker 4: And I was called to a competition of only 16 players.
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: But when you say you went up to your category.
• 23:20
  Speaker 4: I went up to my category, where there were almost
• 23:23
  Speaker 4: 30 guys, and I was still called to a list
• 23:26
  Speaker 4: of 16 for a competition of the Nike Cup, bro.
• 23:30
  Speaker 4: That's crazy.
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: I was... I was unrolling. But why did they let
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: you down? I don't know either.
• 23:34
  Speaker 4: In fact, I think at the time, I don't know
• 23:36
  Speaker 4: if it was a change of coach, you know? A
• 23:37
  Speaker 4: new coach arrived. The coach didn't even know me to
• 23:41
  Speaker 4: do these things. It's fire, right?
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: And then in this championship, did you do well?
• 23:47
  Speaker 4: I didn't even play right, bro. But I was there,
• 23:49
  Speaker 4: you know? For me it was, bro, you were crazy.
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: I was chosen.
• 23:52
  Speaker 4: I'm among the 16, bro. The coach still, the day
• 23:53
  Speaker 4: I went, he said, this is an example, you know,
• 23:56
  Speaker 4: of a person who was training in the lower category,
• 23:58
  Speaker 4: went up and today is being called among the 16.
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: You know?
• 24:01
  Speaker 4: And like this, bro, as much as I played little, bro,
• 24:05
  Speaker 4: But for me, it was a great improvement, I'm telling you. No,
• 24:08
  Speaker 4: are you crazy?
• 24:09
  Speaker 5: What else is said to a kid while he's in Cotia,
• 24:11
  Speaker 5: at the base? What else do they try to teach you?
• 24:14
  Speaker 5: Because soccer, obviously, but is it responsibility? Is it knowing
• 24:18
  Speaker 5: how to carry yourself? Is it knowing how to deal?
• 24:21
  Speaker 5: Do they teach you to be a man too?
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: Because they're dealing with children, right?
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, man.
• 24:25
  Speaker 4: The thing is... It's to prepare you for when you
• 24:29
  Speaker 4: get there, bro.
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: They said, you know, in the professional it's like this, bro.
• 24:32
  Speaker 4: For example, I know you know how to play, bro.
• 24:34
  Speaker 4: I know you're good at what you do, you know?
• 24:37
  Speaker 4: But when I get there, bro, I want to see
• 24:39
  Speaker 4: your respect for people, you know? So it taught me
• 24:41
  Speaker 4: a lot, bro, to be the man I am today,
• 24:45
  Speaker 4: you know? Because when I had the opportunity as a professional, bro,
• 24:49
  Speaker 4: A hug with both hands, I was ready for that.
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: It took a long time for you to go to
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: the professional after this Nike Cup.
• 24:55
  Speaker 4: It was 2014-15, the Nike Cup was in 2015 actually.
• 24:57
  Speaker 4: I went up and down there, and in 2018 I
• 24:58
  Speaker 4: was already going up and down, going up and down.
• 25:03
  Speaker 4: How many cups did you play?
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: One or two?
• 25:06
  Speaker 4: I played two, bro. I was vice in one and
• 25:08
  Speaker 4: champion in the other, and I was the best.
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: Player, thank God, in the second.
• 25:12
  Speaker 5: São Paulo Cup for a player who is starting makes
• 25:15
  Speaker 5: all the difference, right brother?
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: It does, bro.
• 25:16
  Speaker 4: And the one I won is very crazy, because I
• 25:18
  Speaker 4: was in the professional. I was in the professional team
• 25:22
  Speaker 4: and the guys came down to play. How was it?
• 25:23
  Speaker 4: For us, it was a shock. I was in the
• 25:25
  Speaker 4: professional team and the guys came down to play. You
• 25:27
  Speaker 4: can see it as a step back. They were going
• 25:29
  Speaker 4: to play pre-season in Florida. They faced Ajax and other teams.
• 25:33
  Speaker 4: But I came down. And it was a presentation, like,
• 25:46
  Speaker 4: day two, bro. I arrived early. Who's talking, Antônio?
• 25:48
  Speaker 5: You're going to play the Copa São Paulo.
• 25:51
  Speaker 4: Man, there's an order from above, but whoever calls me,
• 25:54
  Speaker 4: and I'm going by car with my brother, oh, how crazy.
• 25:56
  Speaker 4: I think I was going to Dexter's show, bro. Raí
• 25:58
  Speaker 4: called me. Chaves.
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: Man, 18 years old, personal.
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: I was going to Dexter's show. I was going to
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: Dexter's show.
• 26:05
  Speaker 4: Raí called me, bro, and told me that I was
• 26:06
  Speaker 4: going to go down. Raí?
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Raí.
• 26:08
  Speaker 4: He called me and told me that I was going
• 26:11
  Speaker 4: to go down to play and stuff, bro.
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: When you received it, did you think you were going
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: to win?
• 26:16
  Speaker 4: Man, I was shocked. I was a little angry. Then
• 26:18
  Speaker 4: my brother said, man, calm down, man.
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: The guys' crazy strategy. They already knew you.
• 26:23
  Speaker 4: Were going to beat them up. You know, man? And
• 26:25
  Speaker 4: then I put in my mind that I needed.
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: To be the best, you know?
• 26:28
  Speaker 4: It was good for me because I wasn't playing so
• 26:30
  Speaker 4: much in the professional, you know? So the copy gave
• 26:32
  Speaker 4: me a very cool visibility.
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: That the professional there wouldn't give, you know?
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: So you kind of started with anger, wanting to prove
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: that you were fucking there at that moment.
• 26:41
  Speaker 4: Man, I was pissed off at the time, but then, man,
• 26:45
  Speaker 4: changing ideas with my brother, with my sister, with my
• 26:48
  Speaker 4: family there, man, you know, I said, no, man, Copa
• 26:50
  Speaker 4: São Paulo, man, I started to see that Parada could
• 26:53
  Speaker 4: give me a visibility, you know, for me to go
• 26:57
  Speaker 4: back to Parada again.
• 27:00
  Speaker 5: Man, you played this Copa with a lot of personality
• 27:02
  Speaker 5: in the final, everything, everything, everything, you were the best.
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: Player ever, but that final rained a lot.
• 27:09
  Speaker 4: Man, it rained a lot.
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: Was it against Vasco?
• 27:12
  Speaker 4: Against Vasco, bro. We were winning 2-0 and the guys tied.
• 27:14
  Speaker 4: We won the penalties, right?
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: It was 2-0 and the guys tied.
• 27:18
  Speaker 4: 2-0 and the guys tied, bro.
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: Did you hit the penalty?
• 27:22
  Speaker 4: No, the trainer took me out, bro. Second half.
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: Ah.
• 27:26
  Speaker 4: But it's good, bro.
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: I scored a goal in the game, gave an assist.
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: But, man, the previous one you were vice. In this
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: one you were confident of, like, bro, we're going to
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: be champions of this thing.
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 27:35
  Speaker 4: In fact, in the first one already, bro. In the
• 27:37
  Speaker 4: first one, man.
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: Who did you play against in the final?
• 27:39
  Speaker 4: Flamengo. They were a very good team. Who was the team?
• 27:44
  Speaker 4: It was Lisiero. Lisiero was flying at that time.
• 27:51
  Speaker 5: People said that Lisiero was going to be the absolute
• 27:54
  Speaker 5: starter of São Paulo.
• 27:54
  Speaker 4: If I'm not mistaken, he was the best player of
• 27:56
  Speaker 4: the São Paulo Cup. There was a great team.
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: Was Paquetá playing for Flamengo? No, Paquetá wasn't.
• 28:05
  Speaker 4: Now, against Vasco, we already had a good team. We
• 28:09
  Speaker 4: knew we could get there.
• 28:11
  Speaker 5: But I imagine that there must be a confusion in
• 28:15
  Speaker 5: the minds of the champions of the Copa, because Corinthians
• 28:19
  Speaker 5: already won several, but you see that from a champion.
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: Team, sometimes one comes out. It's normal, right, brother? Man, several, bro.
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: With me, like, it was several.
• 28:30
  Speaker 5: I've always been the most humble boy, bro, of my.
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: Of the group. Of the group, you know? And the
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: one who came the furthest, bro. That's crazy, man.
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: So when you won, you came back with the voucher
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: at the top, right? Knowing that you were going to
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: go up and everything. How was it?
• 28:52
  Speaker 4: Because we win and stuff, then I go to the
• 28:54
  Speaker 4: beach with my family, man. Man, I sat on the couch,
• 28:58
  Speaker 4: the guys call me, man, you introduce me to the professional.
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: Tomorrow?
• 29:02
  Speaker 4: Like that, you know? I had to go back, man.
• 29:05
  Speaker 4: You were with the beach? I came back, I was
• 29:07
  Speaker 4: in Riviera.
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: Chave, good thing.
• 29:09
  Speaker 4: Man, I sat on the couch, man, really, I had
• 29:11
  Speaker 4: to get there. I sat on the couch, the guys,
• 29:13
  Speaker 4: tomorrow the professional. I said, what are you going to
• 29:16
  Speaker 4: complain about? I got up and said, let's go.
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: The family stayed, you have to come back.
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: I came back, bro.
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: The family came together?
• 29:24
  Speaker 4: Everyone came back together. And the worst thing is that
• 29:26
  Speaker 4: there was a game in Pacaembu, I don't remember against whom.
• 29:30
  Speaker 4: I'm called and I didn't get in the.
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: Game, bro. You left the guys there on the beach.
• 29:34
  Speaker 4: I was there in Riviera, for God's sake.
• 29:39
  Speaker 5: Yes, but I think this is the most crucial moment
• 29:42
  Speaker 5: for the player because he flirts with turning and doing
• 29:46
  Speaker 5: it right, but I think he flirts with doing it wrong,
• 29:48
  Speaker 5: because it's time to do it right or wrong.
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: You know, Mitch? Because that's it, bro.
• 29:52
  Speaker 5: Many of them come as top players at the base,
• 29:58
  Speaker 5: But even if you prove yourself as a professional, it's
• 29:59
  Speaker 5: a different story, right? What were the difficulties of being
• 30:02
  Speaker 5: a professional when you arrived, brother?
• 30:06
  Speaker 4: Man, it's just that I've always been very brave, you know? Like,
• 30:08
  Speaker 4: I knew it was going to be hard, right, man? Man,
• 30:11
  Speaker 4: it's like you said, man. There are a lot of
• 30:12
  Speaker 4: guys that stick to the base and don't turn, man.
• 30:14
  Speaker 4: And it's totally different, man. You're on a professional base, man.
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: And you kind of see the very good guys kind
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: of going crazy, right?
• 30:20
  Speaker 4: It's frustrating, right, man?
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: You dedicated your whole life to that moment. There are
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: a lot of guys on the base, man. Very good.
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: You know?
• 30:27
  Speaker 4: He was a king, man. Selection and everything, I don't know.
• 30:31
  Speaker 4: And a professional.
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: At.
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: The base, there are also the little kings who are like...
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: That guy has more privileges. Always.
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: Always?
• 30:39
  Speaker 4: Man, the guys already had a sponsorship. I'm sponsored by this.
• 30:41
  Speaker 4: I got the selection there and such.
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: The guys.
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's already a mess.
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: And there must be some that even you, the player himself,
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: didn't understand why it didn't go up, why it didn't work.
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: Because there are players that you really look at and say, man,
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: I didn't understand why it didn't go up, why it
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: didn't win.
• 31:01
  Speaker 5: There must be the thing of the player being good,
• 31:03
  Speaker 5: but let's suppose, I don't know, there's a great right side.
• 31:06
  Speaker 5: But sometimes in São Paulo there are two very fucking
• 31:08
  Speaker 5: right sides, so the right side is like, yeah, in
• 31:11
  Speaker 5: São Paulo.
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: There's no space.
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: When I go up, man, like.
• 31:16
  Speaker 4: You have Diego Souza, Nenê, you know? Man, there are
• 31:19
  Speaker 4: some guys, there are some snakes there, you know?
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: But was there someone who hugged you and said, boy,
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: come here, I'm going to show you the karma of
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: the stones?
• 31:28
  Speaker 4: Man, really, man, in São Paulo, everyone hugged me like
• 31:30
  Speaker 4: that because I've always been a very humble boy, man.
• 31:32
  Speaker 4: Like that, I know how to get into the environments,
• 31:34
  Speaker 4: you know? Man, I've never been there with my foot
• 31:37
  Speaker 4: on the door saying I don't want karma. I've always
• 31:38
  Speaker 4: been listening to it like that until today, man.
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: But you were really hoping to have that opportunity. Yeah, man.
• 31:45
  Speaker 4: And the guys saw that I was training hard. So...
• 31:47
  Speaker 4: You were there.
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: What was your first professional opportunity? What game? And how
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: was it?
• 31:52
  Speaker 4: Against Grêmio, bro, in Morumbi. Against Grêmio.
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: We played.
• 31:58
  Speaker 4: Man, for me it was awesome, bro.
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: Man, it must be a crazy game.
• 32:03
  Speaker 4: Especially when you realize the dream of a team from
• 32:05
  Speaker 4: the heart, right, bro? Did your family go there to see?
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: Today, everyone, bro. And did you play well?
• 32:11
  Speaker 4: Man, I played a little, you know? I played a
• 32:13
  Speaker 4: little there, but for me, man, it looked like I was.
• 32:15
  Speaker 3: You played for the league already.
• 32:18
  Speaker 4: Man, and you stayed a.
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: Little in São Paulo, right?
• 32:20
  Speaker 4: Less than a year, man.
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: Man, what madness.
• 32:23
  Speaker 5: I remember that you arrive, debut in the professional, a
• 32:26
  Speaker 5: fucking ascent, a crazy thing, you start playing very well,
• 32:31
  Speaker 5: you get to the final of Paulistão, I was there.
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: You were there?
• 32:35
  Speaker 4: I was.
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: When he scores the tie, I say, I think I
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: got it.
• 32:39
  Speaker 4: We took a Wagner Love goal at the end.
• 32:42
  Speaker 5: It was at the end, I was going for the penalty.
• 32:44
  Speaker 5: But how is it for you to play a final
• 32:47
  Speaker 5: for your club of the heart, professionally, against the biggest rival,
• 32:51
  Speaker 5: make a goal in the final, but come back defeated,
• 32:55
  Speaker 5: you know? You were facing this for the first time
• 32:57
  Speaker 5: in your life. How was that? I'm happy for the goal,
• 33:01
  Speaker 5: but I lost. How does your head feel at this moment,
• 33:03
  Speaker 5: in the locker room?
• 33:04
  Speaker 4: Man, it's f * * * ing cool, right, man? Like,
• 33:07
  Speaker 4: I want to go back to this game until today,
• 33:09
  Speaker 4: you know?
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: The guy lies down there and says... Really, bro?
• 33:12
  Speaker 4: Man, yes, man. Because, imagine, man. First final of the
• 33:16
  Speaker 4: game with São Paulo there, you know? The final, in
• 33:18
  Speaker 4: a classic, man. The biggest classic of São Paulo against
• 33:21
  Speaker 4: Corinthians and such. I scored, you know? It had everything
• 33:23
  Speaker 4: to be, man. The day of the victory, you know?
• 33:27
  Speaker 4: But at the same time, I'm proud, man. Like, a
• 33:30
  Speaker 4: boy from Osasco that arrived, man. You know? Being one
• 33:33
  Speaker 4: of the highlights there of São Paulo, you know? Of course,
• 33:38
  Speaker 4: I wanted to be a champion in the game, so
• 33:41
  Speaker 4: I scored. It could be very historic for me, but.
• 33:45
  Speaker 5: But at that moment, did you already know.
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: How was your mind? Cabo Paulistão, you.
• 33:50
  Speaker 5: Your plans.
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: Were to stay here in São Paulo and make it work,
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: or were you already getting.
• 33:57
  Speaker 5: Proposals from abroad? How does your moment look like? For
• 34:01
  Speaker 5: you to decide what will be done in your career.
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: You know?
• 34:03
  Speaker 4: Man, I knew that some things were going to show up.
• 34:07
  Speaker 4: But I was very young. Actually, my head was more
• 34:10
  Speaker 4: in São Paulo. I was like, I'm going to live here, man.
• 34:12
  Speaker 4: I'm going to live today, I'm going to play, you know? Tomorrow, man,
• 34:15
  Speaker 4: only God knows. There will be things like that. Yes.
• 34:18
  Speaker 4: But I was, man, focused on, you know, enjoying the
• 34:21
  Speaker 4: day to day, man.
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: Were you happy in São Paulo?
• 34:24
  Speaker 4: I was happy, man. It was my dream, man, to
• 34:26
  Speaker 4: be a player. Galinha, curiosity now as a person.
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: What's cool when you see a professional, especially in São Paulo, man,
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: that has a very cool structure, the crowd is very cool.
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: How was your vision, and you too, São Paulino, how
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: was this beginning as a professional? What changed, let's say?
• 34:42
  Speaker 4: Man, I've been going to the stadium for 5, 6 years,
• 34:46
  Speaker 4: my aunt takes me, you know, to Morumbi. So, you know? So, man, imagine,
• 34:53
  Speaker 4: I realized my dream being a São Paulo player, man,
• 34:56
  Speaker 4: the team of my heart, you know? There's a video, like,
• 34:58
  Speaker 4: on Libertadores that gets me, it moves me a lot,
• 35:00
  Speaker 4: you know? Because my aunt took me to Libertadores, I
• 35:03
  Speaker 4: was there from the outside, always very fanatic, right, man?
• 35:06
  Speaker 4: And now, like, I'm there representing all these people, man.
• 35:10
  Speaker 5: Anthony, I want to know, in reality, because, like, I
• 35:13
  Speaker 5: went to hit a penalty on Kings League and my
• 35:16
  Speaker 5: legs were shaking.
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: And you broke your knee.
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: You know?
• 35:19
  Speaker 5: So, I went down to hit a penalty on Kings League,
• 35:21
  Speaker 5: I just looked at kids eating Doritos, and I said, ah,
• 35:24
  Speaker 5: I'm nervous.
• 35:26
  Speaker 4: What the hell?
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: Was there anyone cursing?
• 35:28
  Speaker 3: There was, but it was the nerds. And then I said, ah, firmness.
• 35:32
  Speaker 3: But I was nervous. So, I lost the first penalty.
• 35:34
  Speaker 3: How is.
• 35:36
  Speaker 5: To debut, to play, professionally, 60 thousand people at the Monobis,
• 35:41
  Speaker 5: you try. I know you're a professional, you've done this
• 35:44
  Speaker 5: your whole life, but do you get nervous too?
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: Do your legs tremble too? Do you get a cold
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: in your belly?
• 35:49
  Speaker 5: What moment does it pass that you say, okay, after
• 35:51
  Speaker 5: five minutes, or it didn't happen, you're frozen?
• 35:55
  Speaker 4: No, man, I'll tell you something that now... Man, it's
• 35:57
  Speaker 4: any person who told me, and it's real, you know?
• 35:59
  Speaker 4: Cristiano Ronaldo told me once like this.
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: Damn, you're coming with us. It's real, man.
• 36:03
  Speaker 4: No, it's real, because he said like this, man.
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: You're crazy.
• 36:06
  Speaker 4: As soon as you don't feel the cold in your
• 36:07
  Speaker 4: stomach anymore, man, be careful, you know? So you feel cold,
• 36:10
  Speaker 4: you say, bro, I feel cold. Then I looked at
• 36:12
  Speaker 4: him and said, bro, are you cold in your stomach?
• 36:14
  Speaker 3: He said, I am. I said, bro, I'm calm.
• 36:16
  Speaker 4: Because if he said.
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: That, bro.
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: I can be scared to death and it's sweaty.
• 36:21
  Speaker 4: And it's good to feel that, you know?
• 36:23
  Speaker 3: It makes you attentive, right?
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: Exactly, bro.
• 36:25
  Speaker 4: Man, I need to develop, I need to play, bro.
• 36:27
  Speaker 4: So when he says that, bro, I take it to
• 36:29
  Speaker 4: the end of my life, you know? Whenever I have
• 36:32
  Speaker 4: a cold in my belly, I know it's all right.
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: If the man said it, it's crazy.
• 36:38
  Speaker 5: There was a specific game in São Paulo, where you
• 36:41
  Speaker 5: were passing through the tunnel, going up to Morumbi, and
• 36:43
  Speaker 5: you were almost emotional, you were totally emotional, because it
• 36:48
  Speaker 5: was a very beautiful day, the crowd was too much,
• 36:51
  Speaker 5: even to kill the fans' longing, because, man, the São
• 36:53
  Speaker 5: Paulinos were very happy that you were coming.
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: But I think they were with the taste of Antrim's football.
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: The name came out very quickly.
• 37:00
  Speaker 4: There is, man. For me, it's the debut of the Libertadores, LDU,
• 37:03
  Speaker 4: in Morumbi. I have a video of the national team
• 37:06
  Speaker 4: crying because, man, with my eyes closed, I was in
• 37:10
  Speaker 4: the crowd, you know? A few years ago, man, and
• 37:12
  Speaker 4: now I'm playing.
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: This must be crazy, man.
• 37:15
  Speaker 4: Man, and when you get on the bus, you know,
• 37:18
  Speaker 4: to Morumbi, man, the crowd, the lights, it's sinister, man.
• 37:22
  Speaker 3: It must be something much more, right, man?
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: It was, but then what happened, man? That you were just... Nine?
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: How many months did you stay in São Paulo?
• 37:28
  Speaker 4: Less than a year, bro. My last game was against Santos,
• 37:32
  Speaker 4: in Morumbi, and then COVID started.
• 37:35
  Speaker 3: Ah, you paused, paused the games, started to negotiate.
• 37:38
  Speaker 4: It was Diniz, the coach.
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: How is it to be trained by Diniz? Is it cool, bro?
• 37:42
  Speaker 4: Man, I have a very special affection for him.
• 37:45
  Speaker 3: Really? He takes care of the new ones a lot, right?
• 37:48
  Speaker 4: Yeah, bro. I'm at home, he's... Man, I'm at home
• 37:50
  Speaker 4: on the couch with my wife and stuff, and he
• 37:52
  Speaker 4: calls me, bro.
• 37:54
  Speaker 3: What's up, champs?
• 37:55
  Speaker 4: Champs or broken, you know?
• 37:57
  Speaker 3: Serious? Champs or broken.
• 37:57
  Speaker 4: Man, I just called to know how you're doing, bro.
• 37:59
  Speaker 4: You're good and stuff, you know? We have a very
• 38:02
  Speaker 4: good relationship, bro.
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: Damn, that's cool, man.
• 38:04
  Speaker 4: I have a lot of affection for him, he's his son,
• 38:06
  Speaker 4: he likes me a lot too. So, bro, I'm at home.
• 38:08
  Speaker 4: Until today, he does that?
• 38:10
  Speaker 3: Bro, it's been a while since he called me, you know?
• 38:12
  Speaker 4: But, like, out of nowhere, bro. He calls me, asks
• 38:17
  Speaker 4: how I'm doing, asks.
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: How my family is doing, my kids.
• 38:19
  Speaker 4: It's just to know how things are.
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: But at the beginning he was essential for the construction
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: of your football.
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: He's boring, man.
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: Boring at what level?
• 38:28
  Speaker 4: Tell us a boring story. But he's a guy who
• 38:30
  Speaker 4: helped me a lot.
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: I say boring in... De trampa, né? De trampa.
• 38:33
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but man, he's a guy like that and I
• 38:35
  Speaker 4: say it for myself. He's sensational, man. Really.
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: Man, I really like the way he deals with the
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: new ones.
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: I remember.
• 38:42
  Speaker 5: What was São Paulo's center forward? He was very young
• 38:45
  Speaker 5: and good.
• 38:45
  Speaker 3: He scored against Flamengo. Was it Brenner? Brenner? Brenner, right?
• 38:50
  Speaker 3: He was flying. And I remember a game.
• 38:51
  Speaker 5: I remember a game where Diniz was training in São
• 38:55
  Speaker 5: Paulo and he said, you're going to score a victory goal, kid.
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: He wasn't like that. He said, believe it, you're going
• 38:59
  Speaker 3: to score a victory goal.
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: The kid didn't enter and scored, man.
• 39:02
  Speaker 4: Fuck.
• 39:02
  Speaker 3: You know? And I see that the players that deal
• 39:04
  Speaker 3: with Diniz say that he.
• 39:10
  Speaker 5: He has the football, the tactics, everything, but what's cool
• 39:12
  Speaker 5: about him is the extra-field. He cares about the human being,
• 39:15
  Speaker 5: you know? That's really cool.
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: In the beginning, when he was doing this with you,
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: he called attention to this and said, this guy is different.
• 39:21
  Speaker 4: His first game, us and Flamengo, there in Maraca. He said,
• 39:23
  Speaker 4: where's Wander?
• 39:24
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 39:25
  Speaker 4: Then I... I'm here. Today I want you to get, bro,
• 39:31
  Speaker 4: 20 balls and don't touch, bro. Go inside the 20.
• 39:33
  Speaker 4: Because if you lose, it's here, look. It will recover,
• 39:37
  Speaker 4: it will hit your foot again.
• 39:38
  Speaker 3: That's fucking awesome to hear that, right?
• 39:40
  Speaker 4: I played this game, bro. We tied in Maraca, if
• 39:43
  Speaker 4: I'm not mistaken, 0x0.
• 39:43
  Speaker 3: But you played very well. I played very well. But
• 39:46
  Speaker 3: it's because the guy gave you confidence, right?
• 39:48
  Speaker 4: And when you start to understand....
• 39:50
  Speaker 3: Of course, bro.
• 39:51
  Speaker 4: It's complicated. His way of understanding, you know? It's a
• 39:54
  Speaker 4: little rude sometimes. It's aggressive, bro. The stuff. Yes. But
• 40:01
  Speaker 4: with me, he always called me, bro. In the corner, talking, saying, bro,
• 40:04
  Speaker 4: I want to be the best of you. And I
• 40:06
  Speaker 4: want to prepare you to live some big stuff, you know?
• 40:09
  Speaker 4: I started to understand that, put it in my head.
• 40:11
  Speaker 4: And get this positive side for me. Because, bro, sometimes
• 40:15
  Speaker 4: it's complicated, bro. As much as they charge you, it
• 40:18
  Speaker 4: stresses you out too.
• 40:19
  Speaker 3: Yes, you're new.
• 40:20
  Speaker 4: But I started to understand that, bro. I put it
• 40:23
  Speaker 4: in my mind and.
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: Said, bro... The guy who is my good, right?
• 40:25
  Speaker 3: It's not possible.
• 40:25
  Speaker 4: You know? And when I leave, bro, he says, bro,
• 40:27
  Speaker 4: now you're ready to go, you know?
• 40:29
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: It's awesome.
• 40:30
  Speaker 4: It's awesome.
• 40:31
  Speaker 5: When you go to Ajax, to the Netherlands, were there
• 40:34
  Speaker 5: other proposals on the table?
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: Why did you choose to go to Ajax?
• 40:39
  Speaker 4: There were others, bro. And it's crazy, I think it's
• 40:42
  Speaker 4: worth telling here.
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: Of course.
• 40:44
  Speaker 3: Here it's crazy.
• 40:46
  Speaker 4: Because Borussia came to Brazil to meet my family and everything.
• 40:54
  Speaker 4: We had a meeting, but.
• 40:56
  Speaker 5: I'm sorry to pause you, but a thing like this...
• 40:58
  Speaker 5: For example, Borussia's people come.
• 41:02
  Speaker 3: Nobody knows.
• 41:02
  Speaker 4: Nobody knows.
• 41:03
  Speaker 3: Neither the club knows, nor the media knows. Only Antony
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: and his family.
• 41:06
  Speaker 4: Nobody knows.
• 41:07
  Speaker 3: This must be a big problem. And then Sancho doesn't leave,
• 41:10
  Speaker 3: you know? The guys were already....
• 41:16
  Speaker 4: Interested in hiring me but Sancho doesn't leave I even
• 41:20
  Speaker 4: played with Sancho at United as a partner and then
• 41:22
  Speaker 4: Ajax appears but Ajax was really crazy because I was
• 41:28
  Speaker 4: in a interview with my brother three weeks ago I
• 41:31
  Speaker 4: was in Seville with my brother and we were talking
• 41:33
  Speaker 4: about it because my business is in the Netherlands and
• 41:37
  Speaker 4: it was like 6 a.m. my brother calls me and
• 41:40
  Speaker 4: says Ajax is interested.
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: In this the conversations were still going on yes, you.
• 41:45
  Speaker 4: See No, with Borussia, he was already dead. Yeah, because
• 41:48
  Speaker 4: Sancho ended up staying there, you know? So he didn't...
• 41:50
  Speaker 4: He didn't open the vacancy.
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: You know?
• 41:52
  Speaker 4: But, like, the guys came to Brazil, they were super interested, man.
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: And.
• 41:55
  Speaker 4: But the business.
• 41:56
  Speaker 3: Didn't come out. You started making debts already.
• 41:58
  Speaker 4: The business didn't come out.
• 42:00
  Speaker 3: Oh, mom, the thing went crazy, man.
• 42:02
  Speaker 4: The business ended up not coming out, man. And then
• 42:04
  Speaker 4: my brother calls me at 6 o'clock in the morning, man.
• 42:05
  Speaker 4: 6 and a little, he's in my father's apartment. Pô,
• 42:08
  Speaker 4: o Ajax is behind, man. Aí eu falei, peraí também, mano.
• 42:13
  Speaker 4: Then the guys called again and said, bro, tell your
• 42:15
  Speaker 4: brother that he has 10 minutes to solve it.
• 42:17
  Speaker 3: I swear, bro. 10 minutes for you to decide?
• 42:20
  Speaker 4: We closed with Ajax, bro, a 15-minute decision, bro.
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: But they had already launched the proposal and everything?
• 42:26
  Speaker 4: Bro, I just needed my ok, bro. And then I said,
• 42:30
  Speaker 4: wait a minute, bro, I turned off the cell phone,
• 42:32
  Speaker 4: I told my brother to give me 15 minutes. Then
• 42:34
  Speaker 4: I went, bro, I turned it off, I said, bro,
• 42:37
  Speaker 4: I'll make a prayer here, bro, for God to give
• 42:39
  Speaker 4: me peace in my heart, to see if I feel
• 42:40
  Speaker 4: at peace to go, bro.
• 42:41
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 42:44
  Speaker 4: And then I finished my prayer and I said, let's go.
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: There?
• 42:47
  Speaker 3: You were already convinced?
• 42:49
  Speaker 4: And then when I gave the ok, it closed, bro.
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: Wow, Antônio, what a decision. Arrange things and go there.
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: It was like that, bro.
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: Did you go to the Netherlands on the same day?
• 42:59
  Speaker 4: No, but then it was to sign the contract with them,
• 43:02
  Speaker 4: you know? But after a few days I travel, I
• 43:04
  Speaker 4: travel alone. It was a little difficult because it was
• 43:06
  Speaker 4: the time of Covid.
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: I travel without.
• 43:10
  Speaker 4: Without my wife and my son, actually. I only had
• 43:13
  Speaker 4: a son at that time. And I lost his first steps,
• 43:16
  Speaker 4: because I'm far away, you know?
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: But when you get a contract like this, the numbers,
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: the changes in life, you must have been really excited too, right?
• 43:25
  Speaker 4: Yeah, man.
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: It must have been four days just crying at home. Like,
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: my God, it's time.
• 43:28
  Speaker 3: To fly, bro. It's time to make a lot of barbecue.
• 43:31
  Speaker 4: Then I went there, I met David Neres. David Neres is....
• 43:40
  Speaker 3: Man, when you look at David Neres... He's my brother,
• 43:42
  Speaker 3: my best friend in soccer. Man, I laugh, this guy
• 43:44
  Speaker 3: is very funny.
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: Very, man.
• 43:46
  Speaker 4: And he's like that on a daily basis. Spontaneous. No,
• 43:48
  Speaker 4: on a daily basis, man. I'm here, look. You know?
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: Like, man.
• 43:51
  Speaker 4: That interview he had.
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: With Mina, he said he likes my noodles.
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: How do you do it?
• 43:55
  Speaker 3: With water, you know?
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: Pure, pure.
• 43:56
  Speaker 4: He's like that, man. We have a very cool friendship, man,
• 44:00
  Speaker 4: me and him, you know? We helped a lot there, man.
• 44:01
  Speaker 4: Your adaptation, how was it? Like, arriving there, the weather....
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: Seeing everything differently, another language.
• 44:10
  Speaker 4: Man, in relation to this it's complicated, but thankfully I
• 44:12
  Speaker 4: had a Brazilian, man. I had David Neres there, you know?
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: He was already there for a while. He was already
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: there for.
• 44:18
  Speaker 4: About two, three years.
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: Ah, so he was already... More or less, you know?
• 44:22
  Speaker 3: And he was already with a moral. Already, right?
• 44:25
  Speaker 4: He had, man.
• 44:26
  Speaker 5: Did you go to Jax a year before you went
• 44:29
  Speaker 5: to Semi?
• 44:29
  Speaker 4: I arrived a year later, man.
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: You know?
• 44:33
  Speaker 4: And what, like, man, what worries me the most, then
• 44:35
  Speaker 4: me and Neres even changed these ideas, man. Because, imagine,
• 44:37
  Speaker 4: I arrive... I'm new and I stayed there for two years.
• 44:40
  Speaker 4: I played there for two years straight. You played a lot. And, man,
• 44:43
  Speaker 4: me and Neres created a great friendship.
• 44:47
  Speaker 3: A brotherhood.
• 44:47
  Speaker 4: And we played in the same position.
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: What's up, man? Wow, that's crazy, man.
• 44:52
  Speaker 3: Did you talk about it?
• 44:54
  Speaker 4: Man, really. We didn't talk much about it, but it
• 44:58
  Speaker 4: was a thing that didn't get in the way of
• 45:00
  Speaker 4: our friendship. Man, when... He even scored a goal in
• 45:03
  Speaker 4: the final we played, man. It looked like I had
• 45:05
  Speaker 4: scored the goal, man. When I scored the goal, it
• 45:06
  Speaker 4: looked like he had scored, man. There are people who
• 45:09
  Speaker 4: have a little bit of that vanity and end up
• 45:12
  Speaker 4: getting in the way. Me and him, it seems that
• 45:14
  Speaker 4: it only strengthened us more, our friendship.
• 45:16
  Speaker 5: Do you feel that this friendship and dispute for the
• 45:19
  Speaker 5: position evolved your soccer? Because you were there exchanging with
• 45:23
  Speaker 5: your brother, you didn't want his bad, so if he
• 45:25
  Speaker 5: was playing well, you.
• 45:26
  Speaker 3: Respected him and trained more to outdo him. Because he
• 45:29
  Speaker 3: was also playing a lot, right?
• 45:30
  Speaker 4: He plays a lot, you know? He plays a lot.
• 45:32
  Speaker 4: So our friendship was cool, so you know that when
• 45:34
  Speaker 4: he was the starter, He was waiting for me to
• 45:40
  Speaker 4: finish my training so we could leave together. And when
• 45:43
  Speaker 4: I played as a starter, I was waiting for his
• 45:45
  Speaker 4: training so we could leave together, you know?
• 45:47
  Speaker 3: It's a total brotherhood, bro.
• 45:48
  Speaker 4: It's a total brotherhood, bro.
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: So he was your pillar when you arrived, right?
• 45:52
  Speaker 4: He was, bro.
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: He was, bro.
• 45:53
  Speaker 4: And even today we exchange ideas, bro. I called him
• 45:55
  Speaker 4: a few days ago. Damn, come here with him one day, bro.
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: It's gonna be cool. It's been a while, bro.
• 45:59
  Speaker 4: There are some cool stories, bro. There are some cool stories, bro.
• 46:03
  Speaker 3: He stays... You stay at Ajax for two years, but he.
• 46:06
  Speaker 5: I don't even know where David is today.
• 46:09
  Speaker 4: He's in Naples, bro.
• 46:11
  Speaker 3: Ah, okay.
• 46:11
  Speaker 4: But he stayed there a little longer. He got hurt,
• 46:13
  Speaker 4: you know? He's not playing. No, he got injured, bro.
• 46:16
  Speaker 4: But he was putting some boxes there.
• 46:18
  Speaker 3: I always follow him, bro.
• 46:19
  Speaker 4: He's my little brother.
• 46:21
  Speaker 5: How was the adaptation of football in the Netherlands for you, bro?
• 46:25
  Speaker 3: How is it to get to Europe?
• 46:27
  Speaker 4: Man.
• 46:27
  Speaker 3: Football itself... Everyone says, bro, pass, it looks like a kick.
• 46:31
  Speaker 4: It's different, right, bro? It's different, right? You go to
• 46:34
  Speaker 4: Brazil and go to Europe, it's different. Football changes, bro.
• 46:37
  Speaker 4: It's much smarter, you know? It's much more thought, tactical,
• 46:40
  Speaker 4: you know? It's more instinctive, right? Exactly, bro.
• 46:44
  Speaker 3: It changes, bro.
• 46:44
  Speaker 4: And then I put it in my mind, bro. Adaptation.
• 46:48
  Speaker 4: It's funny that I have a meeting with the coach,
• 46:50
  Speaker 4: and the coach prefers to play where? I said, man,
• 46:52
  Speaker 4: playing is all right.
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: Really?
• 46:53
  Speaker 4: Did you say that? I said, bro.
• 46:54
  Speaker 3: And him? Then he said, I already liked the answer,
• 46:57
  Speaker 3: you know?
• 46:57
  Speaker 4: There's no such thing. He translated it.
• 46:59
  Speaker 3: I said, I'll translate it for him.
• 47:01
  Speaker 4: Translate it right, bro.
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: You know? I want to play.
• 47:03
  Speaker 3: I'm ready.
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: Did it take long for you to start playing? No, man.
• 47:07
  Speaker 4: I arrived, I already scored in my debut, I won 1-0,
• 47:11
  Speaker 4: and I played since I arrived and went away, man.
• 47:14
  Speaker 3: There, man, you lived an amazing era.
• 47:17
  Speaker 4: Man, I have a lot of affection for Ajax, man.
• 47:20
  Speaker 4: I like it a lot.
• 47:21
  Speaker 3: And it's a great league to develop, right, brother?
• 47:23
  Speaker 4: Man, and the city is also great, man. Fuck.
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: Taking the cold away, you know? And the fans, the
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: fans there, look. It's great, man. Did they hug you?
• 47:30
  Speaker 4: Yes, man.
• 47:31
  Speaker 3: And then a Brazilian guy comes in. He's crazy. He
• 47:34
  Speaker 3: plays really well.
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: When he scores, people.
• 47:37
  Speaker 3: Say, oh my God, he'll stay here forever. I think
• 47:39
  Speaker 3: Ajax fans' pain is that the kids stay there for
• 47:42
  Speaker 3: a short time.
• 47:43
  Speaker 5: They stay there for two years and leave.
• 47:45
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but it seems like they already have that in mind, right, bro?
• 47:50
  Speaker 4: They kind of understand that already, bro.
• 47:52
  Speaker 3: Here it's for a period only, bro.
• 47:55
  Speaker 4: And if you go see the sales Ajax makes, man,
• 47:57
  Speaker 4: they make a lot of money.
• 47:58
  Speaker 3: It's crazy.
• 47:59
  Speaker 5: When Ronaldo and Romário arrived there, did you realize that
• 48:02
  Speaker 5: there was a moral for Brazilians there?
• 48:05
  Speaker 4: Or not? There's no such thing?
• 48:07
  Speaker 3: No, there is.
• 48:07
  Speaker 4: It's just that Brazilians are unruly, right?
• 48:10
  Speaker 3: There's no way.
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: The guys know that they play different football. But even
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: for you, when you got there, did you already know
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: that it was going to be a quick passage? Yes, man.
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: It was this idea.
• 48:21
  Speaker 4: Yeah man, because I told my brother, bro, this is
• 48:23
  Speaker 4: a project of two years, bro, I want it. And
• 48:25
  Speaker 4: it's been two years, right? And I sold it.
• 48:27
  Speaker 3: And you played the Champions League there, right?
• 48:29
  Speaker 4: Yeah, bro, I played, bro.
• 48:31
  Speaker 3: How is it, bro, to play the Champions League? The
• 48:33
  Speaker 3: star ball, the anthem.
• 48:34
  Speaker 4: It's foda, bro. Funny that, pô, the debut of the
• 48:37
  Speaker 4: Champions League, look how crazy, the debut of the Champions
• 48:39
  Speaker 4: League against Liverpool at home. Jesus. No fans.
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: I do the test and I get a positive.
• 48:45
  Speaker 5: What a disgrace!
• 48:48
  Speaker 4: Do you believe it? I cried a lot. I said, no,
• 48:50
  Speaker 4: it's my first Champions League, soon against Liverpool.
• 48:54
  Speaker 3: 15 days.
• 48:54
  Speaker 4: Soon against Liverpool, a top game to play. But I
• 48:58
  Speaker 4: was out of this game. Then, if I'm not mistaken,
• 49:01
  Speaker 4: I was against Atalanta. Was it when I gave the pen? Atalanta, team.
• 49:10
  Speaker 3: It was a mess at that time.
• 49:11
  Speaker 4: It was against Atalanta.
• 49:14
  Speaker 3: It must be absurd.
• 49:14
  Speaker 4: When you play music like.
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: That, it's surreal. It's creepy. But ESL Champions didn't have... League.
• 49:20
  Speaker 4: Didn't have fans? It didn't.
• 49:23
  Speaker 3: It was because of Covid.
• 49:25
  Speaker 4: It was like the Olympics that I won. Japan had fans.
• 49:28
  Speaker 3: It's not the same emotion.
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: It's different. This Olympic team was very good. You, Richardson.
• 49:37
  Speaker 4: It was me, Richarlison and Claudinho. Claudinho was playing a lot.
• 49:41
  Speaker 4: Claudinho was playing a lot. It was me, Claudinho, Richarlison
• 49:47
  Speaker 4: and Matheus Cunha. Man, the bench still had Malcom.
• 49:51
  Speaker 3: Malcom scored in the final, right?
• 49:52
  Speaker 4: Martinelli. I'm not mistaken, no. Martinelli. Man, it was awesome.
• 49:56
  Speaker 4: On the middle was Douglas Luiz and Bruno Guimarães. It
• 50:01
  Speaker 4: was awesome. Daniel Alves on the right.
• 50:03
  Speaker 3: Who did you score in the final?
• 50:05
  Speaker 4: Spain, man.
• 50:05
  Speaker 3: Caraca.
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: Pedro.
• 50:07
  Speaker 4: Man, we drank a lot and didn't eat anything.
• 50:11
  Speaker 3: It's fire, right, man? The guys play ball. It was awesome, man. Brother, Ali,
• 50:15
  Speaker 3: when you're ending your time at Ajax, once again the
• 50:18
  Speaker 3: same question, but it's nice to know, was there only
• 50:21
  Speaker 3: the United proposal or were there others? Because you decide
• 50:26
  Speaker 3: to go to England, Ali.
• 50:28
  Speaker 4: Ah, there were some, man.
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: Ah, if you could share with us. Only that.
• 50:35
  Speaker 4: It was a little complicated to leave the negotiation because
• 50:38
  Speaker 4: Ajax didn't give a number, so it's a little complicated.
• 50:43
  Speaker 3: It becomes a auction, right?
• 50:44
  Speaker 4: Exactly, it becomes a auction. One club waiting for another
• 50:46
  Speaker 4: to give a number.
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: And who goes there is Eric Terraghi.
• 50:49
  Speaker 4: He sent me a message, like, you can hit the pack,
• 50:53
  Speaker 4: I want you here and such. And Ajax didn't give
• 51:00
  Speaker 4: a number and it was complicated for the other clubs
• 51:03
  Speaker 4: to negotiate, right, bro? It was a auction, like, one
• 51:05
  Speaker 4: waiting to give a value, bro, because United comes with
• 51:09
  Speaker 4: several proposals and Ajax refuses and such, you know?
• 51:12
  Speaker 5: It's really cool that you say that, because when the
• 51:14
  Speaker 5: player is sold, the crowd gets angry, or... Either you'll
• 51:17
  Speaker 5: be happy or angry, it's the player, it seems like... Yeah,
• 51:21
  Speaker 5: you get it? This guy saying, ah, he wanted to go,
• 51:25
  Speaker 5: he wanted to leave, he didn't want to stay, or...
• 51:28
  Speaker 5: He's a mercenary, he came out cheap, and sometimes, no, right, bro?
• 51:31
  Speaker 5: You were waiting for Ajax to decide what he wanted
• 51:33
  Speaker 5: to do.
• 51:33
  Speaker 3: Man, it's crazy, because... Man, imagine the people that came, right, bro?
• 51:36
  Speaker 4: From below, too, bro. Sometimes the train passes only once, bro.
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: Help me there, bro.
• 51:42
  Speaker 3: You know?
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: And there was, like, you don't need to say the
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: name of the teams if you don't want to. But
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: there were other very cool proposals too. There was, bro.
• 51:50
  Speaker 4: That shook you?
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: There was, bro.
• 51:54
  Speaker 4: There was from England too. At the time it was... No, actually, bro,
• 52:00
  Speaker 4: I think it's worth commenting, at least one, right? There
• 52:04
  Speaker 4: was Liverpool at the time, right, bro? Because it was Klopp's.
• 52:07
  Speaker 4: I think it's worth talking about. It's crazy.
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: Liverpool and Klopp.
• 52:11
  Speaker 4: Why did you decide to go for United?
• 52:12
  Speaker 3: Salah didn't leave. It was when Salah was negotiating to leave.
• 52:16
  Speaker 4: He didn't leave. If you talk about United, it's United.
• 52:27
  Speaker 4: There's a coach who calls me. I've been with him
• 52:31
  Speaker 4: for two years. I've been with him for two years
• 52:34
  Speaker 4: in Ajax. He knows me. You know? That's why I
• 52:38
  Speaker 4: have a bigger weight. Was Cristiano there when you were there?
• 52:41
  Speaker 4: He was there. When I get there, he's back. Wow.
• 52:45
  Speaker 3: How is it to play with the guy?
• 52:48
  Speaker 5: To exchange ideas? Especially since you don't have a language barrier.
• 52:53
  Speaker 3: You just exchange a normal idea.
• 52:56
  Speaker 4: He's a really cool guy, man. He himself said that
• 52:59
  Speaker 4: to me. Man, your friends must ask, the channel is
• 53:03
  Speaker 4: all a rent, I don't know what, right? But, man,
• 53:05
  Speaker 4: you see him on a daily basis, man, the guy
• 53:07
  Speaker 4: is playful, changes ideas, is polite with everyone, man, he
• 53:09
  Speaker 4: plays all the time.
• 53:10
  Speaker 3: He doesn't put a little leg?
• 53:12
  Speaker 4: You don't even need it, right, man? No, man, he's
• 53:15
  Speaker 4: a guy, man, man, he's a good example, man. And
• 53:17
  Speaker 4: the time you sit at the table with him to
• 53:20
  Speaker 4: change ideas, he says like this, we live football always.
• 53:24
  Speaker 4: Let's change ideas... of life.
• 53:26
  Speaker 3: I don't want to talk about soccer now.
• 53:30
  Speaker 4: He's awesome.
• 53:31
  Speaker 5: Was there something in soccer that he taught you? Like,
• 53:36
  Speaker 5: go this way, cut this way, and then something he
• 53:39
  Speaker 5: taught you about life.
• 53:42
  Speaker 4: Man, my debut against Arsenal. Wow.
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: You scored, right?
• 53:46
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Before that, he said, Mané, Mané. His tour with Marcelo,
• 53:52
  Speaker 4: I think.
• 53:52
  Speaker 3: As a Brazilian, yes.
• 53:53
  Speaker 4: He said, He was calm, the rest you know how
• 53:58
  Speaker 4: to do. He calmed me down, because I was getting anxious.
• 54:01
  Speaker 4: The stadium had more than 70,000 fans. I think that
• 54:03
  Speaker 4: besides 70,000 fans, playing for Cristiano Ronaldo must be hard.
• 54:06
  Speaker 3: He was calm, you know, you're not here for nothing.
• 54:07
  Speaker 3: It was a great idea. I scored, we won, and
• 54:09
  Speaker 3: when I knew.
• 54:10
  Speaker 4: It, I substituted him. There's a picture of me leaving
• 54:12
  Speaker 4: and he complimenting me.
• 54:25
  Speaker 5: You can say that Cristiano Ronaldo was your bank, right?
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: And you see him in action, bro, in training. How
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: was it? The thing is really different. Ah, he is, bro.
• 54:37
  Speaker 4: He is embarrased, bro.
• 54:39
  Speaker 3: Does he train a lot, bro?
• 54:40
  Speaker 4: He is different, bro. Man, he jumping like that, sometimes
• 54:43
  Speaker 4: he was on the field and he jumped, bro. Where
• 54:45
  Speaker 4: did I create it?
• 54:46
  Speaker 2: You know?
• 54:46
  Speaker 4: His jump is bizarre, bro.
• 54:48
  Speaker 3: So he's a guy who can't even.
• 54:52
  Speaker 5: Dalmiga is on his side, because a guy with 40
• 54:54
  Speaker 5: years running like hell, how can you not run anymore
• 54:56
  Speaker 5: when you're 20?
• 54:56
  Speaker 3: Exactly, bro.
• 54:57
  Speaker 4: You look at a guy like that, bro. You were
• 54:59
  Speaker 4: talking about Cristiano Ronaldo, right, bro? You're talking about any player, bro. And, bro,
• 55:04
  Speaker 4: you saw his physical strength, it's absurd, bro.
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: He's really a robot.
• 55:08
  Speaker 4: He used to say, bro, do you think I'm 23,
• 55:10
  Speaker 4: 24 years old or not? You know? And you saw
• 55:13
  Speaker 4: that and you said, bro.
• 55:14
  Speaker 3: And I thought he was strong. His body age is 27, bro.
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: With 41 today.
• 55:18
  Speaker 3: I thought he was.
• 55:19
  Speaker 4: Strong, bro.
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: So when you got to Manchester, the team was... It
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: was round. It was round, man.
• 55:25
  Speaker 4: Okay, but there in Manchester.
• 55:28
  Speaker 5: Man, I really like Manchester. It's a team that I
• 55:30
  Speaker 5: used to follow a lot. You used to play video games.
• 55:33
  Speaker 3: For sure.
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: For real.
• 55:34
  Speaker 3: But I noticed there in Manchester United that many good players,
• 55:36
  Speaker 3: amazing names, end up not doing well there, man.
• 55:39
  Speaker 5: Like Pogba, Cristiano Ronaldo himself. Is the atmosphere there troubled?
• 55:53
  Speaker 5: What happened there that... I even saw a statement of
• 55:56
  Speaker 5: yours that you said that you lost your happiness in
• 55:58
  Speaker 5: the Masters. What happened there, bro, that didn't work?
• 56:01
  Speaker 4: Man, it's complicated, you know? Like, like... Of course, man, I...
• 56:06
  Speaker 4: I speak for myself, you know? The things I went through,
• 56:08
  Speaker 4: the moments I went through, were choices that also had consequences,
• 56:12
  Speaker 4: you know? And I think that's where it got in
• 56:14
  Speaker 4: the way a lot. I'm talking about, like.
• 56:16
  Speaker 3: The Extra, you know?
• 56:17
  Speaker 2: Man, it's a club.
• 56:20
  Speaker 4: Sensational, bro, like that, structure very above, bro, you know?
• 56:25
  Speaker 4: Very cool, bro. But, bro, it's like I told you,
• 56:29
  Speaker 4: the choices I made, like that, bro.
• 56:31
  Speaker 3: It got in the way a little.
• 56:32
  Speaker 4: It got in the way and when I was going
• 56:34
  Speaker 4: to do things.
• 56:35
  Speaker 3: On the field, I wasn't... With the mind on the field.
• 56:37
  Speaker 4: You know, bro? As if the mind were far, bro.
• 56:40
  Speaker 4: As if I wasn't... Present. With me there, you know?
• 56:44
  Speaker 4: Like that, I tried, bro, trained, did the stuff, but
• 56:47
  Speaker 4: I didn't go. I didn't have only moments like that,
• 56:50
  Speaker 4: I was a champion, I won two titles at United,
• 56:53
  Speaker 4: there's a thing I lived a good life too. I
• 56:55
  Speaker 4: got on really well with the guys there, with Chris,
• 57:00
  Speaker 4: with Bruno himself, great people too. Diogo Dalô, my little brother.
• 57:06
  Speaker 4: But it's a football thing, the choices you have as
• 57:09
  Speaker 4: a consequence... And sometimes it doesn't work out. Exactly. It's
• 57:14
  Speaker 4: not just my case. You see the case of several
• 57:16
  Speaker 4: players who went through United.
• 57:17
  Speaker 5: So, when I see even Cristiano Ronaldo himself leaving United,
• 57:20
  Speaker 5: because he made a request to go to United, right?
• 57:21
  Speaker 3: And then he.
• 57:22
  Speaker 2: So, how long did he stay there? He stayed a little, man.
• 57:24
  Speaker 2: I played with him for.
• 57:25
  Speaker 4: About five months, man. I played for a short time.
• 57:28
  Speaker 4: He stayed a little.
• 57:28
  Speaker 5: And then, obviously, he didn't make it clear what it was,
• 57:31
  Speaker 5: but what he could see was that he wasn't happy either.
• 57:34
  Speaker 3: He said, man, I'm leaving.
• 57:35
  Speaker 2: It didn't fit, it seems. He was already.
• 57:39
  Speaker 5: Okay, but in your head, because you arrive in Manchester
• 57:42
  Speaker 5: as the second largest contract, in value of money, in values.
• 57:47
  Speaker 5: And when you leave there, the fans are rejecting you
• 57:52
  Speaker 5: a lot, you know? They're saying, this guy came here
• 57:54
  Speaker 5: for one of the worst contracts and such. How did
• 57:56
  Speaker 5: it get in your head, bro? Did you really think
• 57:58
  Speaker 5: you had lost your football? Did you think it wouldn't
• 58:01
  Speaker 5: work anymore, that you would have to go to Arábia? Man, actually,
• 58:04
  Speaker 5: I think England's media is a little heavy, you know?
• 58:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah, right? Like, things I used to do were simple.
• 58:11
  Speaker 4: And the guys had a reason to... Conturbate. You know?
• 58:24
  Speaker 3: But do you feel that.
• 58:26
  Speaker 5: Because I feel that the Brazilian media is also a
• 58:28
  Speaker 5: little like that. It's when football gives a lot of
• 58:31
  Speaker 5: subject in that country, right?
• 58:32
  Speaker 3: I think the media tends to be like that, right?
• 58:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, bro.
• 58:35
  Speaker 4: But, like, bro. It's f * * *, you know?
• 58:39
  Speaker 4: The situation there was... Bro, but I'm grateful too, bro,
• 58:43
  Speaker 4: for living all that, bro. You know? Because today the
• 58:47
  Speaker 4: guy that I am is mature, you know? And much
• 58:49
  Speaker 4: more prepared. But I got there, bro. There was a
• 58:51
  Speaker 4: moment where I said, bro. You're crazy, man. I can't
• 58:54
  Speaker 4: do it. Is everything they're saying real?
• 58:56
  Speaker 3: I can imagine.
• 58:58
  Speaker 4: And my family said, of course not, man. Like, man,
• 59:01
  Speaker 4: you left, you didn't play a World Cup, for nothing,
• 59:04
  Speaker 4: you didn't unlearn how to play, you know? You didn't unlearn, bro,
• 59:08
  Speaker 4: you're not there for luck. Some things that didn't happen
• 59:13
  Speaker 4: at home, bro.
• 59:14
  Speaker 2: You know?
• 59:14
  Speaker 4: So, bro, I'm very grateful to my family, bro, who
• 59:16
  Speaker 4: made me see that, bro. See the side of, like, bro,
• 59:19
  Speaker 4: this moment here can't sum up your story, you know?
• 59:22
  Speaker 3: Throw you down, right?
• 59:23
  Speaker 4: But it's awesome when you're living that, bro, because it
• 59:26
  Speaker 4: seems that the more you do business, the worse it gets,
• 59:28
  Speaker 4: you know?
• 59:30
  Speaker 5: When did you decide to go to Betis? What did
• 59:33
  Speaker 5: you do to find your happiness, your soccer? Did you
• 59:36
  Speaker 5: spend more time with your family? What were the decisions
• 59:40
  Speaker 5: you made to get things back on track?
• 59:43
  Speaker 3: I even had a proposal in England. Did you have
• 59:47
  Speaker 3: a proposal in Brazil?
• 59:48
  Speaker 4: Yes, man.
• 59:49
  Speaker 2: I always have. Didn't you think about coming to Brazil?
• 59:56
  Speaker 2: To stay closer to your family?
• 59:58
  Speaker 4: When you're in a situation where you can't see the
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 4: way out, you don't want to go, you know? But
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 4: then I looked at my family, my children, you know?
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 4: I'm very decision-making about my family, man.
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 3: You know?
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 4: The day-to-day is what we go through. Me, my wife
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 4: and my children.
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 5: And maybe if you came to Brazil at that moment...
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 5: What happens to the guys is that Anthony stepped back.
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 4: Exactly. It seems like a failure, right?
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it seems like he failed.
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 4: But I didn't think like that, man. Even because I
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 4: didn't think so much about going back to Brazil, you know?
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 4: I didn't think about staying in Europe, man. Ah, man.
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 3: I think that when you get there, you see that
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 3: you have a level.
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 4: Exactly.
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 3: I'm going to unwind here.
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 2: No, man.
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 4: Like I told you, you learn to play the ball, man. Man,
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 4: I was called to the World Cup and it wasn't
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 4: for nothing, man. So, it was complicated, man. Because my
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 4: family spent these moments with me. But man, today I
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 4: look at it and say, man, it was just like
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 4: a page, you know? Of the story I'm writing.
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 5: There are bad moments that I've had in my life
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 5: that today, mature, more mature, right?
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 3: I look back and say, man, I'm glad this happened.
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 3: I learned, right?
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 2: Because I matured, I learned.
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 3: It got stronger.
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 4: So when I go to Betis, man, I need the opportunity,
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 4: you know? And I said, man, I need to go
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 4: to Spain, man. You know? The weather is good. I
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 4: didn't know the city yet, I researched a little about
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 4: the city, I showed it to my wife, I said, oh,
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 4: there's an interested club and such. And man, and then
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 4: my brother travels before.
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 3: To see, right?
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 4: My employer and such. And he says, man, you're going
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 4: to enjoy it here, man. Then, man, you get excited,
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 4: you know?
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 2: Because they thought you were going to enjoy the weather,
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 2: the team, everything. Exactly, man. Everything is in favor.
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 4: You know? The weather... Cidade, man, in relation to the food,
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 4: the cuisine, man, very.
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 2: Good, you know?
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 3: England is better.
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 4: Yeah, man, it's totally different, man. Totally different, you know?
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 4: In the cold, it's the same.
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 5: And did you feel a difference also in the football played?
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 5: If you could explain to us in a more simplistic
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 5: way to understand how is football in the Premier League
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 5: and how is football in La Liga, man?
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 3: Is there a difference?
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 4: A lot, man. Man, the Premier League is extreme intensity. Attack, defense, attack, defense, attack, defense.
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 4: In Spain, it's a game with more space, more on
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 4: the man-to-man. I loved it. It has the man-to-man characteristic
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 4: of dribbling. And when I get to Spain, there's... There's
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 4: this opportunity.
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 2: You remember the futsal times.
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 4: Yeah, man.
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 2: And then I see that it's totally different too, man.
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 4: And it was from the time when I arrive, when
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 4: I travel.
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 4: My brother said, man, do you know what's going to
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 4: be cool? I said, what, man? He said, man, because
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 4: we are, we are, man, we came from down there, man.
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 4: Then my brother said, man, do you know what's going
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 4: to be cool? I said, what? Man, you get here
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 4: at the CT do Bet, there's already, like, some walls
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 4: piled up, you know?
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 3: Really? Ah, it was already.
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 4: Man, so we're at home, right, man?
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 3: A club that already combines more, man. You know?
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 4: Yeah, so I identified a lot, man, with that, you know?
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 3: So, Betis, he's kind of like a club more of
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 3: the people there, of Sevilha?
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 4: Man, this guy is too fanatic, man. Betzer's fans are.
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 2: That fans.
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 4: They're awesome, bro. It surprised me a lot, bro.
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 3: He already has a good history with Brazilians.
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 2: Right, bro? He does, he does.
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 4: Yes, yes, he does, bro.
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 2: But then you get there, the fans hug you, you
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 2: get there with the opportunity... Yeah, the fans hug me, bro.
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 4: Pellegrino called me and stuff, before traveling and everything. I
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 4: exchanged an idea with him, I said I wanted it too.
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 4: And when I get there, bro, people receive me in
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 4: a way like that, you know? It's awesome, bro. Brazilian
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 4: and then it was the first game to debut against
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 4: Atlético Bilbao in a 2-2 tie, it was MVP, you know?
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 3: That makes a difference, right, brother?
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 4: It makes a difference.
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 3: You know?
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 5: Okay, this is very crazy, but I wanted to know
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 5: why you go to a club and to a league,
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 5: you go to a club that fights in a league
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 5: where there is Barcelona and Real Madrid, so you go
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 5: to a club that He didn't say that our plan
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 5: is to be champion, our plan is to go back
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 5: to the Champions League.
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 3: How is this new challenge? Because you arrive, give results,
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 3: you go back to the Champions League. What were your goals?
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 3: What were you thinking? Or was it just to arrive
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 3: and enjoy your football?
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 4: Man, first I wanted to meet me again, you know?
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 4: To be happy, man. And where did I get it, man?,
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 4: you know, to say, man, I'm very.
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 5: Happy here, there were people who made it be different,
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 5: there were some attitudes yours, you said, bro, I started.
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 4: Doing this, this has changed, bro, to be light, you know, bro,
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 4: to be playing, bro, I'm happy, I'm having fun, you.
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 2: Know, you say you're happy, this reflects in your soccer, right.
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 4: Bro, bro, and today, like, I'm living the best with
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 4: my family, with my children, with my wife. Everyone is
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 4: very happy, you know? And that helps, it makes it easier, bro. Yeah, bro,
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 4: football flows naturally, bro. Sometimes things happen without force, bro.
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 4: You see that it's natural, you know?
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Brazilian football needs to be happy to play, right?
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 4: Yeah, bro, there's no way, bro. You can be the
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 4: crack you are, bro. When you're not happy and you're
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 4: not confident, bro, you won't, bro.
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 3: I think that I'm talking about this here, because I
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 3: think that when you get to a professional level like this,
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 3: in Europe, that's it, no one needs to teach you
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 3: to play football anymore, but be careful with your head,
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 3: to be good to play football there, right, bro?
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 5: Okay, but for me, and I want to know about you,
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 5: for me, bro, it was the best choice, maybe, of
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 5: your career, to go.
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 3: To Betis, you know?
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 5: Because today I see you there as a status of idol, bro.
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 3: Like, you arriving, the crowd, the way they talk about you.
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 5: I was showing the meet with the goal you made
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 5: outside the area, Alex, you give a... with a braided
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 5: hair there in the corner anyway but how is your
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 5: relationship with Betis fans how is your thought want to
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 5: stay one more season in Betis how is your current.
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 4: Moment bro bro I'm really happy there bro I'm really
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 4: happy bro good city bro bro my son bro my
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 4: daughter happy in life I'm there so bro I'm going
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 4: there bro bro I've been there for a year and
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 4: a little bit Let's go to a conference league final,
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 4: I had never gone. Let's go to the quarterfinals now,
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 4: we fell in the quarterfinals of the Europa League, I
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 4: had never gone. And we qualified for a Champions League, bro,
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 4: you know? After 21 years, bro. It was 21 years, bro.
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 2: Bro, like, at the time I was.
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 4: An employee, you know? Crying, like, bro. Really? Today is
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 4: the happiest day of my life, these guys said, bro.
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 4: I was even willing to cry.
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 3: So if the guys were to hit your face, shake
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 3: your face, you wouldn't understand. I was so happy.
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 4: I've played Champions League before, but with badminton it's special,
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 4: because the guys there are very fanatic. And the players,
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 4: they're all in pairs, it's a great moment.
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 2: You know what's great? When you watch the video, you
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 2: see Isco, who won.
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 4: 5 Champions League, crying. He won 5 Champions League and
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 4: was crying when we qualified for Champions League.
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 3: And there's a guy like him that helps, right, bro?
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 4: Yeah, bro, he's a great partner.
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he's cool?
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 4: A lot, bro. He sends messages straight away, bro.
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 3: He's a good player, huh?
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 4: Yeah, he's great.
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 2: So, your plans for Betis are like, bro, let's win,
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 2: let's be cool at this moment, right?
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 4: You know, bro, I'm happy there, right, bro? I have
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 4: a contract there, now I have a Champions League to
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 4: dispute too, of course, I don't know the day of tomorrow,
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 4: but I'm very happy there, bro. I'm enjoying it, bro.
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 4: There I learned the real thing. It's delicious there.
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 3: That's good, my brother.
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 5: Let's go back to 2022. You said something that is true.
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 5: You disputed a World Cup when you were 22 years old.
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 2: I didn't hear it. I was there. You were there, bro.
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 5: Anthony, how is all this process? How is a call?
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 5: How is it to be able to defend Brazil in
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 5: the World Cup, bro? This is the first question, and
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 5: then I have some others.
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 4: Man, really, Champions League is cool to play, but the
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 4: World Cup is surreal, bro.
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 2: Even in Qatar.
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 4: Man, that's surreal. That was a good one, Michele.
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 3: It was.
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 2: It was. It was. It was.
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 4: It was.
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 2: It was.
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 4: It was.
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 2: It was. It was.
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 3: It was. It was.
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 4: It was.
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 2: No, man.
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 3: Not even Neymar knows.
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 4: Neymar knows. But you imagined it. I imagined it because
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 4: I was good, I was playing, I was being called,
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 4: I was there, I was in the cycle. When you
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 4: see that you went, what goes through your head for
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 4: the first time? It was top, man.
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 2: Like, wow, man. It's happening, man.
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 4: Imagine in 2022, man. In 2019, I would still live
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 4: in the favela, man. You know? This favela is very,
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 4: very fast. It's very close. man. It's very fast.
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 2: Three years, man.
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 4: I said, damn, man. And when I get to the
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 4: national team, man. I say, man. And my call was
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 4: the first one together, me and Rafinha, man. We were together,
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 4: the first call. That's cool, man. Man. Then when I
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 4: get to the Copa, man.
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 3: Okay. Now that 4 years have passed since the game
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 3: against Croatia. What do you think is the summary, not
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 3: looking for the guilty, I don't want to blame anyone,
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 3: but what is the summary of this game, brother? Because, wow,
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 3: we were there and when the goal from Neymar came out, man,
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 3: I was sure we were going to go to the
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 3: semifinal against.
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 2: Argentina, you know?
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 4: Man... We were sure we could be champions, man. You
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 4: know what I mean? The atmosphere was so cool, you know? Man,
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 4: it was a surreal atmosphere, man. Everyone was so together,
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 4: so excited, man.
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 3: It was cool, it was nice to live.
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 4: Everyone had a huge expectation, you know? And the confidence,
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 4: you know?
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, man.
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 4: And, man, this game in Croatia was.
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 3: What do you read about this game, bro? What was missing?
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 3: What shouldn't be done? Or is it a game that.
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 4: Man, it's a game that, man, for me, there's no
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 4: blame either, you know? Yeah, for me there's no one
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 4: who made a mistake. I think everyone made a mistake
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 4: of being a little more naughty. We score a goal
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 4: at the end, you know?
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 2: Already, bro.
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 4: It was all in our hands, bro. It was, bro.
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 4: It was all in our hands, you know? If you see,
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 4: we lost to ourselves there, bro.
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 3: It was just the ball, right? Man, you played like hell.
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 3: I played a lot, bro.
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 5: Man, I was agonized for you to come in. And
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 5: then you go in and start smoking like hell, it
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 5: was hard, Croatia was just behind, bro.
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 4: It was, bro. Wow, do you remember the feeling of
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 4: that game, man?
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 3: You're crazy, man.
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 4: Because I was in the bench already studying Croatia, bro. Like,
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 4: I was in the reserve bench there, bro, but I
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 4: was already seeing, like, bro, there's space there, there's space here,
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 4: I'm going to have to face it, I'm going to
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 4: have to make this side take the yellow, I was already, bro,
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 4: planning a bunch of things in my head, you know?
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 4: Architecting everything.
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, bro.
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 4: Because when you're out, I tell myself, bro, if I'm out,
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 4: I'm in... Sometimes people get distracted. Sometimes I start to
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 4: see that they have lines 4 and 5. You start
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 4: to see where there are spaces. When you lose a
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 4: game like this, at the.
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 2: End, what's the feeling? The world is over. One of
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 2: the worst sensations. I can't even explain it. We, as fans,
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 2: were disappointed. We were in the fans' area, where your
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 2: family was. Not only yours, but the family of the players.
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 5: When it was over and we still had a recording
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 5: to do, we were very sad. But when we looked
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 5: at the mothers, the fathers.
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 3: The wives, the brothers, brother, this thing looked like we
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 3: were in a tragedy. I swear to God, it looked
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 3: like we were in a tragedy.
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 4: I said, Mítico, let's go.
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 5: We said, let's go, let's get out of here, the
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 5: relatives are here.
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 2: We're not even a family.
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 3: Like a desire to cry, bro. Man, it was awesome.
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 3: You know?
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 4: How is the locker room after that? Man, if you
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 4: see this, the weather was way worse inside the locker room.
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 4: Because you see a lot of black people, you know?
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 4: From the last World Cup. Wow, that's true. Talking like that,
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 4: you know? Crying and talking like that. Thank you, you know?
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 2: Even like that.
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 4: It's the last World Cup. I wanted to go further
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 4: with you guys. It's just that there's no words to comfort, man.
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 2: And not even to fight, to keep fighting too. There's no,
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 2: there's no, man.
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 4: It's over. It's a horrible atmosphere, man.
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 2: I'm going to try to find guilty or something like that,
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 2: it's not possible, right?
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 4: There's no way, man. There's everyone there feeling guilty. It's
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 4: not just, you know.
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 5: And I think that when we also take the Croatian goal, man,
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 5: we're going to the headless penalties, right?
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 4: Man, it was... It was fucking awesome, man. It's even
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 4: painful to remember.
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 5: I have it recorded on my cell phone until today,
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 5: Marquinhos' penalty. The sound of the crossbar, you can only
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 5: hear it.
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 4: Fuck! Yeah, man. It was awesome, man. But also the
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 4: experience of playing a cup.
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 2: Like that is a mess, man. It also made you
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 2: stronger after that process, for sure.
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 4: For sure, man. It made me much stronger.
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 5: I think that, I don't know, other eliminations or losing
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 5: a game, I think you face it differently after a
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 5: moment like this, right, man?
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 4: You face it differently, for sure.
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 3: Okay, my brother. Look, just to confirm. Okay, my brother.
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 5: You've been playing very well, but how was your pre-tension? You,
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 5: because you're playing well, you imagined that you could have
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 5: a chance in this cycle, or your head wasn't there
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 5: because you already knew that maybe you wouldn't have a chance.
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 5: And you go to the pre-list, right? How is this
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 5: moment for you? How were you... Regarding being called, having
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 5: an opportunity, and then when you see your name on
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 5: the pre-list, you know?
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 2: Man, I was, I was.
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 4: I knew that, like, because of my season, because of
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 4: the numbers, you know? I was competing to go, man.
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 4: Even at the first convocation of Tchelote I was, you know?
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 4: As much as I didn't play there, but... It's important
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 4: to be in the cycle, right, man? So you create
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 4: an expectation, you know? But, at the same time, I
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 4: wasn't ready for the simple. Of course I wanted to be.
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 4: It was a dream. I had the experience of playing
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 4: in the World Cup. And today I feel much more
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 4: mature than.
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 2: I did in 2022.
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 3: That's what I was going to say. Today you... You're
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 3: going to face it in another way.
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 4: You get much more mature.
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 2: You feel more prepared than in 2022. Much more.
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 4: Much more. Much more. Even the style of the game.
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 3: The reading of the game. Not that you didn't play well.
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 3: You're crazy. But I think that today you play much
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 3: more than I've seen you playing.
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 4: Yeah, man. Today I feel... Much more mature, bro. Sometimes
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 4: in a game like this, bro, you have a reading
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 4: of the game so fast, bro, that I say, damn.
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 5: Brother, really, watching Betis, you playing today, for the love
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 5: of God, you felt offended, you tell me, but before
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 5: we looked, you said like this, ok, it's a young
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 5: boy with a lot of skill that is maturing his football.
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 5: Today I see you playing... He's a really good player.
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 5: He's not indecisive anymore. You know that thing about, like,
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 5: I'm going to cross or I'm going to step back?
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 5: You know what to do, right? Yes, you can see
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 5: that he knows what he's going to do.
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 3: He's good, he's convinced.
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 5: Even in interviews like this, I say, fuck, you know?
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 5: It's a really good evolution. And not that you were bad.
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 2: But it's natural, right? It's an evolution, right?
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 4: Yeah, man. I feel like that, man.
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 3: Exactly.
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 4: Everything you think and say, I also feel like that, man. Really, man?
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 4: I feel much more prepared, man. Reading the game, when
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 4: the ball comes, there are no more doubts. You already
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 4: know what to do.
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 2: You're calmer, more confident.
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 4: You flow, you know? So I feel much more mature, really.
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 2: So how is it for you to stay away from
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 2: the Cup? Besides being mature, but there must also be
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 2: that desire to be there with the guys, to be
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 2: champion too. How is it, man?
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 4: Man, it's like I said, you know? You have to
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 4: be prepared for yes or no, right, man? As I said,
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 4: it was a dream and I wanted to be in
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 4: this World Cup. But I'm so proud, man. You did
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 4: your part.
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 2: You know why? Because not everything is.
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 3: Under my control, man. You know?
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 4: Like, what I could do, man, I did, you know?
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 4: I delivered myself, man. I think the craziest thing about.
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 3: It, man, from your experience in the game, is that....
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 5: The World Cup cycle is cool, but I think the
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 5: most important thing was this 4-year cycle of yours.
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 3: You took care of yourself, you came back. I was proud.
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 3: I did what I could. It was under my control.
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 4: There are things that don't depend on me anymore. Do
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 4: you think you can still play a World Cup at
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 4: your peak? For sure, bro. I think until 2030 I'll
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 4: still be... You'll be 30 years old. I'll be 30
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 4: years old.
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 2: That's what I'm telling you. I'll be more mature.
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 4: Than I am today and I'll be, you know? Maybe
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 4: I'll be at my peak, bro.
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah, right.
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 4: Today the players, they're not stopping as they used to.
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 2: The players used to say 30 years, the people used
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 2: to say, oh, it's time. It's time to stop. It's time.
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 2: And today we see players with 30 that are at
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 2: their peak, man.
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 5: Depending on what happens in this World Cup, I feel
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 5: that Cristiano Ronaldo plays one more.
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 3: He plays seven. How old is.
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 2: Cristiano?
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 3: 41?
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 2: 41 or 42? He's going to be.
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 4: 45 or 46 next year. What do you think?
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 3: Man, I think he's the only one who can do that.
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 3: I know it's early, but do you have a plan
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 3: when you stop? Or an age? Or do you want
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 3: to be a coach.
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 2: Or something like that?
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 4: Man, I still don't... Don't even think about it. Yeah, man.
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 4: I think it's going to be sad, you know?
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 2: Playing soccer, man. But at least one more cup.
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 3: No, man.
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 4: It's the focus, man. It's the focus, man.
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 2: You're 30, you're going to be 30, it's smooth.
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 4: I'm living the best moment of my career, man. Soccer is...
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 4: It passes very fast, man.
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 3: What did you learn in the favela that no club
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 3: taught you?
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 4: What I learned in the favela that no club taught me.
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 2: Courage, bro.
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 3: Really?
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 4: Courage, bro.
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 3: Very courageous since I was a kid.
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 2: You know?
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 3: The guys didn't say, bro, he's a guy like that.
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 4: You know? Let's play. I respected everyone, you know? But
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 4: he taught me to be very courageous, bro. Like, sometimes
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 4: when I go through some stuff like this, bro, I say, no, bro,
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 4: you know? Back there it was a crazy thing, bro.
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 3: Today it's good shooting, bro. And that's good, right, bro?
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 4: Because you start to see that you went through much
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 4: worse things in life, bro. And what you're facing today
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 4: is just a detail, you know?
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 3: It's a breeze that we ourselves put, right?
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 2: And what did the ball teach you? The favela was
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 2: the courage and the soccer. What was it that you say, wow.
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 4: Man, soccer taught me a lot, you know? But, man,
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 4: it's the realization of my dream, you know? I never
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 4: had a plan B, man. It was always plan A.
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 4: What's your plan A? Be a player. And plan B?
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 4: I don't know, man. I'll turn it around and it's over.
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 4: I'll turn it around and it's over, man. I always
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 4: put it.
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 3: In my head. That's crazy, brother. Because the tendency is
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 3: not to turn it around.
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 4: If it doesn't work out, you have to run after
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 4: plan B. But in my head it was always like that, man.
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 3: I was going to work at Lopes, in Osasco.
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 4: Where is Lopes?
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 2: It's the market.
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 3: I was going to work at Lopes, but I was
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 3: going to be there. You were going to work at Panda.
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 2: But it's very crazy.
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 3: We've talked to many players and they said that. It's
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 3: the plan.
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 2: A and it was the only one and it had
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 2: to be and let's go. But imagine the other players
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 2: who have it and it doesn't work. And they only
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 2: have this plan.
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 3: Anthony is connected, he lived it and he lives it.
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 3: Most of the players don't work, Mítico. They don't work.
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 3: And the craziest thing is that everyone who comes here,
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 3: who is a professional, says this. So sometimes it's the
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 3: nuance of life. Sometimes it's the right.
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 2: Moment, at the right time. It's God, it's faith, it's luck.
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 2: It's a mixture of many things.
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 4: For you to have an opportunity, bro. It's very difficult,
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 4: you know? You have to create an opportunity, bro. Like, bro. Ah,
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 4: it wasn't for nothing, but bro, playing in the favela
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 4: there barefoot.
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 3: You didn't have an entrepreneur, right, bro?
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 4: Nothing, bro. Nothing, bro. Because it was very difficult, bro.
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 5: It's very difficult for a kid to have an opportunity, right?
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 5: If he doesn't have a business partner, if he doesn't... Man,
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 5: tell me.
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 3: A guy who goes to the favela, man.
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 4: Like, to see you play, man. He won't. Who's the
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 4: crazy one, man? He won't, man.
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 2: He won't.
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 4: And he should go, huh?
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 2: You know?
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 4: So, look how crazy. Through my brother, man. Where everyone
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 4: expected and such, through him, you know?
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 2: You feel like.
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 3: Your brother... Not a bridge that you used, your brother,
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 3: but you feel like... If you didn't have your brother,
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 3: you wouldn't come, man.
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 4: So, man, do you think the Barueri's director would be there, man?
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 4: The Barueri's director wouldn't be there, man, in hell, in
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 4: the box, man. He wouldn't.
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 2: You know? So, nowadays, you should change some cool ideas
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 2: with your brother. When you're there in Spain, laughing and saying, man,
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 2: look how life has changed, man. You know?
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 4: Pass, man.
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 3: Pass.
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 4: Pass, man.
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 2: A lot of stuff in your head, you know? Reflections.
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 4: Man, where are we? Look what we're living today. We're eating... Chilaquiles?
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 3: I don't know the food.
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 2: Paella? Paella is good. What are your.
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 4: Favorite dishes from Spain?
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 3: Man, there's a lot... For me, Brazilians don't have the same,
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 3: you know? But there's one, man, the paella is very
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 3: good too.
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 4: Put the ham there too. Put some olive oil there.
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 4: And when you're on vacation there, what do you usually do, bro? Man.
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 4: It's just that now it's a little harder to go out,
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 4: you know?
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 3: Ah, he's an idol, isn't he, Mítico?
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 4: It's not possible. Because the city is small too, you know? But, man,
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 4: whenever I have a little time, man, I like to
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 4: go out with my wife, especially for dinner, man.
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 2: For dinner.
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 4: My son goes to the movies with him. We take
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 4: a lot of pictures, but it's okay, man. It's smooth.
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 4: I like to be myself too, you know?
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 2: To live a little bit in the real world, right?
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 3: Exactly, bro.
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 5: For you to be in a city where half is
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 5: Betis and half is Seville, you must take a lot
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 5: of pictures, but you take some slaps too?
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 4: Or not?
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 3: The guys respect you. Man, even Seville.
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 4: Fans already asked me to take a part of the photo,
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 4: which is not normal, it's not common, man. Because the
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 4: rivalry there is heavy.
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 2: It's heavy, right?
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 4: Yeah, man.
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 2: What level of rivalry is it?
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 4: Man, it's a level.
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 2: To see the fans on the other side of the
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 2: street saying.
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 4: It's a surreal level, man. Palmeiras and Corinthians. Damn it.
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 3: You're from a place where there are only... There are
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 3: two clubs that command.
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 2: Belém, Pai Sanduí and Remo.
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 3: You know how it is. When there are only two
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 3: clubs there, the thing is crazier.
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 2: The city stops.
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 4: So there, bro, you have to know. When it's derby there, bro,
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 4: the city is totally different, bro. The city lives the derby, bro.
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 2: I stay with a hostile climate there. And then, one day.
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 4: Before the game, bro, it's open training in the stadium. Man,
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 4: in the last training session, we had like 30 thousand
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 4: fans in the training session.
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 2: Holy shit, that's crazy. Did you win?
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 4: We beat them 2x2.
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 2: Did you score a goal?
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 4: On the bike. No, man, it wasn't the same goal
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 4: as Cris' goal. I scored a goal.
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 2: But, man.
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 3: It's very good.
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 2: Did you score a goal?
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 3: On the bike.
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 2: He said like this... I still wanted to pay in half.
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 3: It wasn't 100%. It was only 75%.
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 4: I just pulled.
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 2: So you're happy there, but what else do you like
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 2: to do in Spain? Besides going out for dinner... Do
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 2: you know how many hours you've been living in Seville, bro?
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 4: Because by car, two hours you're in Portugal, you're in Morocco,
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 4: you're in Marbella, it's all very close, bro.
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 5: This is real junk, two hours and I'm in another country.
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 3: I'm in Morocco, bro.
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 4: Two and a half hours by car... You've been to Morocco? Bro,
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 4: I haven't been there yet, my brother went, but two
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 4: and a half hours by car I'm in Morocco, bro.
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 3: Well, in two and a half hours, the guy leaves
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 3: Spain and goes to Africa. Do you understand?
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 2: Very cool.
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 4: Exactly, man.
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 2: Have you ever gone there? Have you ever been to Morocco?
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 4: Not yet, but I took a weekend off. I said,
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 4: let's go to the beach. Portugal.
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 3: Portugal?
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 4: I remembered that the Moroccan fans were screaming in Qatar.
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 3: What?
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 5: I'm sorry to interrupt you, but the Moroccan fans in
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 5: Qatar were crazy. They were really awesome. It was impressive.
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 5: I was happy to see the fans there. And they
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 5: were singing just one song. Just one song, without stopping,
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 5: for about 30 minutes. I asked the guy what he
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 5: was talking about. I asked him what he was talking about.
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 5: He was asking where the hashish from Qatar was.
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 3: I was like, oh, okay.
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 2: Man, really?
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 3: Really, man?
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 2: Real fans? Real, I swear.
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 3: Because there in Morocco, it's famous, right? the Moroccan.
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 5: And then the guys arrived in Qatar, they can't drink,
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 5: they can't smoke, they can't do anything, the guys threatening
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 5: to cut their hands, their feet, they were screaming there.
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 2: Where is the Rashid, man? This was funny, the crowd
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 2: was screaming.
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 4: They just sang this.
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 3: They just sang this, brother. Screaming.
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 5: The guys were in the fissure there. Imagine if they were,
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 5: they were champions, man.
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 2: But one of the best fans I've seen was from Morocco.
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 2: It was. Man, but then you were saying there that you, sometimes...
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 2: Where did you go this weekend? Portugal, man. I went
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 2: to the beach.
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 4: Man, I had to do a good lap. And Portugal
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 4: was still less than an hour away. I would get
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 4: there at noon and arrive at 11 o'clock in the morning.
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 2: Wow, that's so easy. And do you want to go
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 2: to other places? I do, man. I want to go
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 2: to Morocco, man.
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 4: To see how it is. What about Morocco?
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 2: Man, everyone talks about Marrakech. They say it's cool.
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 4: There are two Moroccans there and a guy who works there.
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 4: also works there in the Moroccan club for partners he
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 4: said go.
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 2: There that you will like bro.
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 4: Always talk bro he said I want to take you.
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 3: There but it's similar to Brazil too bro there's.
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 4: A beach there's a beach too you know so bro
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 4: the craziest trip you've ever made.
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 3: Of a trip even a trip bro I'm going to
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 3: say one that Paulo my.
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 4: Friend is here he said bro I went Amalfi, man.
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 3: It's Amalfi, Italy.
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 2: I didn't even know there was this place.
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 4: My wife looked for it there and we went. It
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 4: was where I asked her. It was a find. Yes, man. Top, man.
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 4: The trip was awesome, man.
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 2: Amalfi? I've never heard of it.
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 3: Near Capri, there, man.
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 4: I also didn't know it existed, man. I just followed, man. Yes, man.
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 3: It's like that, man.
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 4: The sky is that.
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 2: The sea hurts. It's so blue. You have to get
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 2: married here, man.
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 4: I asked her to go there, bro.
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 2: It was awesome, bro. It deserved, right? It was the moment.
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 4: And she researched Amalfi. I said, like, Amalfi? Where is Amalfi?
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 4: She researched it well, because this is.
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 2: Man, top, bro.
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 4: And it was awesome, bro.
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 2: It was the most, most.
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 4: It was because, like, a place that I didn't even...
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 4: I didn't even imagine it.
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 3: And the food was great.
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 4: I liked Fernando de Noronha.
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 2: A lot in Brazil. I want to go there.
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 4: I've never been there. It's worth it. I'd go to
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 4: any place in Europe. Really?
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 2: It's great.
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 3: I want to go to Fernando de Noronha. Brazil is
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 3: the best. Say three nice roles for Miticola in Osasco.
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 2: Thank you.
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 4: Casinha, nas casinhas.
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 3: Passei um ano novo nas casinhas. É de boa, mas
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 3: lá é bem seguro, né? Passei um ano novo nas casinhas,
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 3: juro por Deus.
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 2: Você passou a virada de ano?
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 3: Aham, aí chegou o helicóptero da Record nessa euforia.
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 4: Ah, dá pra você... Dá pra você colar no Rochedale.
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 4: Se quando chove não alaga, né? Não, óbvio que não.
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 1: Aonde?
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 3: Rochedale. É bom ter um bote no carro.
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 4: E dá pra você colar na escola que eu estudei, mano.
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 3: Good too!
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 1: Good too!
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 2: Good too! Good too!
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 3: I'm going to get.
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 4: There, because the other one studied.
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 2: He said he lost the bus, but that's fine.
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 3: Mítico will take you to Osasco. He already did, right?
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 2: Tell the three of them. Man, I know I'm going
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 2: to be the biggest... Have you ever raced with Didi
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 2: in Osasco?
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 5: I've raced with Didi in Viliara.
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 3: It's a good race. I'm lost, I want to eat
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 3: a snack.
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 5: The pigeons are part of the package.
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 4: Yeah, they are part of the family.
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 2: The fat pigeons stay down there waiting for any.
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 3: Piece to fall. Man, and the hot dog aunties, do
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 3: they have compassion for the pigeons?
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 4: No way.
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 3: Because they put a lot, a lot, a lot, a lot,
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 3: a lot. So you press it and it falls. So
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 3: there's no way you can bite here and not fall. Half.
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 3: It's the best adventure to eat.
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 2: The dogs from there. Because you keep falling. Man, it's
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 2: the best adventure. And they must... Each pigeon must have
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 2: a name.
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 3: Shopping gallery. You're going to buy some 15 reais shorts? Foda.
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 3: .
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 5: .
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 4: Yeah, man.
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 3: Not too crazy like that.
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 2: No, no, but you lived from the culture there, right? Ah,
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 2: I lived, man.
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 4: Ah, man, I love Osasco, man. There's no way.
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 2: Every time you're here in Brazil, you have to scrape there.
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 4: Man, I want to scrape there, man.
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 3: When you stick it in the broken one, I'll give
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 3: you a salve.
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 4: I want it with you.
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 2: It took a while.
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 3: It's going to be in my cousin's laundry.
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 4: Did you close? Let's order some snacks. I need to
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 4: stick it there, man.
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 2: I'm tired already.
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 3: Let's order a sfirra.
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 2: Or a barbecue, man. A barbecue with chicken, meat. It
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 2: can be, too.
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 4: It took a while. Let's make a barbecue in the laundry, then.
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 4: A little block. I doubt it.
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 3: Let's go?
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 4: Word, let's go.
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 2: I want to see.
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 3: Here, Osasquense, man.
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 5: You can put Antony's picture there in Vila Isabel too, man.
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 3: You can put it there.
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 2: I want to see.
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 4: This barbecue in Laje, let's go.
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 3: Let's go, man. It's cool.
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 2: Osasquense, right, man? It's very cool.
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 3: It's mythical. It's streets up from where I lived.
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 4: Close, man.
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 3: Really?
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 4: Really.
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 2: Osasco is all over there, man.
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 5: Osasco's reference was Guimê. The guys would say, Guimê' s mother's house.
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 3: It was Guimê. It was big, Osasco.
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 4: Damn, it's crazy, man.
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 2: Is there another player from Osasco like that?
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 3: Ederson.
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 4: Ederson, Oxidale. Rodrigo is the.
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 3: He's more.
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 4: He's more on the other side. It was where I
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 4: walked for more.
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 2: Than 50 minutes.
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 4: To train. It was there. Rodrigo lived there.
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 2: Man, Rodrigo always played ball. Man, look at this, man.
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 4: I played with Rodrigo, man. Did you play?
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 3: Was he already a kid?
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, man.
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 3: It's different.
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 2: Where did you play? In Osasco? Yeah, we played together.
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 4: That's cool, man. And you already knew.
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 2: You already knew he had a future.
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah, man.
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 4: You know when it's different.
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 5: Rodrigo, the whole Osasco knew. I think he was... At
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 5: least at the time, right? Because he played in São Paulo, right?
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 3: And he was a younger athlete at Canaic. Younger than
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 3: Neymar at the time.
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 2: So there was already a promise.
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 4: He left São Paulo and went to Santos. At the time...
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 4: Santos was revealing, right, bro? In general, right, bro?
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 2: And did you see any other players, like, there, at
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 2: the base, that you.
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 3: That later became idols, right?
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 2: That's it.
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 4: Damn, bro.
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 2: Like Rodrigo da Vida, like, you got into these.
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Rodrigo, bro. I played with Rodrigo in Marilene, too,
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 4: in São Caetano, there. We played together, bro. That's awesome, bro.
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 3: That's awesome. I'm going to ask questions to answer the
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 3: fastball game here, got it? Let's go.
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 4: A dream.
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 3: Play another World Cup. A Dutch word.
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 4: That's complicated. Let me see. Man, I don't know a
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 4: Dutch word. What do you know in Dutch? Just thank you.
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 3: How is it?
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 4: Dankvel.
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 3: Dankvel. Man, it's beautiful, right?
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 2: And bye. You must know the bye.
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 4: Bye is just a sign. And play, play, pass.
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 3: Man, then I hit him. Damn, unroll. Osasco, Amsterdam.
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 2: Osasco.
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 3: And to smoke one, I'm kidding. Best player who played together. Neymar.
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 3: Best player who faced.
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 4: Thiago Silva.
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 3: Player who lay down. I don't think.
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 4: About it, but I already gave work to some players.
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 4: There was a player who kept saying.
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 3: I'm going to break you, I'm going to kill you,
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 3: and you lay down on him. There's always, right? There's always.
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 4: Normal.
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 3: Best Play 2 game?
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 4: Man, Play 2 game... Man... Crash? It could be Crash.
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 3: I was good, right?
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 2: I took this.
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 4: One out of the box.
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 3: Parmigiano with chicken or meat?
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 4: Ah, with chicken, man.
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 2: Why, man? Good one, Mítico.
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 4: Parmigiano, right? With chicken, man.
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 2: With chicken.
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 3: Parmigiano is with chicken.
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 4: It's the chicken, the cheese with sauce on top.
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 4: Ah, mano, os dois. Eu curto os dois. Eu, mano,
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 4: tipo carne, carne, carne, eu gosto de, mano, picanhinha, carne, carne, churrasco,
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 4: bife mesmo, né? Exato.
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 3: Uma superstição antes de entrar em campo?
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 4: Mano, eu não tenho, mano. Eu sou bem tranquilo com isso.
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 2: Nem pisa com o pé direito?
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 4: Ah, é, pisa normal.
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 3: Pra mim, tá tranquilo. Não faz assim, ó. Me?
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 4: No, that's... That's.
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 3: Wow, that's really cool. To score a goal with a.
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 4: Bike and say.
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 2: It wasn't me. It was who? It was God. If
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 2: you were a player, one day you had to do that.
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 4: That's... Let me see if you have a superstition.
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 3: I have my celebration. I have my celebration if you
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 3: score a goal at the end of the World Cup.
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 3: What is it? I would go in with a can
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 3: of vets in the middle. Rip the stick.
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 2: Damn it. He always says that. He always says that.
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 3: He always says that.
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 2: Imagine playing in Argentina.
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 4: Hold the X's pick.
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 2: You would go home covered.
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 3: You would go home covered. Yes, but nothing else needed
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 3: to happen.
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 4: I think entering.
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 2: From the right side is always a tragedy, remembering now.
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 4: And sometimes I don't have it. Sometimes I get a
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 4: breeze and put the canelé on the right side first,
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 4: you know? Always.
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 2: I don't know why. It's a mania too, sometimes.
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 5: But there's a superstitious player that you played with, which
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 5: is the boring guy.
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 3: He doesn't enter the field if he doesn't do it. There's, man.
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 2: Who? Or what do you remember doing?
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 4: Man, there's... Man, I'm gonna talk about the game, but
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 4: an example of Sancho, you know? Sancho is very perfectionist, like,
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 4: his things have to be organized, man. If someone touches it,
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 4: he has to organize it, man. He can't leave the thing... Twisted.
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, no.
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 4: He has to leave it in the scheme he left, man.
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 3: What is this that you brought?
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 4: This is for you, bro. Wow, I think this is.
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 3: Can I see?
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 4: This is yours, right, bro? Thanks, you already said it's mine,
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 4: so let me see here.
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 2: Ah, this one is for you, bro.
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 4: When the Champions starts, I'll send it to you guys too.
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 3: Wow, I doubt it.
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 4: Send it, bro. Send it, GG.
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 3: This one is his, guys.
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 4: It's from the game. It's real, bro.
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 3: But it's from the game, bro. God bless you, bro.
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 4: What a beautiful thing. Then you autograph it for us.
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 3: Of course.
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 2: So, our Osasco roll was marked.
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 4: Of course.
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 5: Our tour in Spain, any moment like this. Our tour
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 5: in the next World Cup, we'll be together.
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 3: Let's go. Hey, but don't show it, man. In the
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 3: World Cups there are always some crazy stuff and stuff. No, man,
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 3: I'm ready, man. Yeah, are you ready?
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 4: Man, I'm... Throw the soccer ball in the bag. You know, like, man,
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 4: we know that a lot can happen, right? You're not
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 4: fooling anyone.
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 3: God bless me, man, that's it.
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 4: You don't need it, right? I don't need it, man.
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 4: But you have to be, man, it's like you're disconnected
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 4: because you're in a sphere. He's disconnected, but he's ready
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 4: for the opportunity. I'm ready. And if he's not, I'm ready.
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 3: He's ready too. That's it.
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 4: To finish, last question.
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 3: Do you want to go back to São Paulo?
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 4: I knew you were going to ask that. São Paulo is... Man,
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  Speaker 4: the love I have for São Paulo is surreal. I
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  Speaker 4: want to play there. I don't know when.
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  Speaker 2: No.
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  Speaker 4: But it's the first love, right, bro? Where it all started,
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  Speaker 4: there's a story there.
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  Speaker 3: So, São Paulo fans can... Have this hope.
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  Speaker 4: Man, they can have this hope that it might happen
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  Speaker 4: like this.
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  Speaker 5: Man, imagine you, David Neres, coming back.
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  Speaker 2: You know? Several guys.
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  Speaker 4: David Neres.
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  Speaker 5: But come back, no. David Neres, let's make a meal
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  Speaker 5: at any time. My brother, did you like participating in Podpah?
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  Speaker 4: Awesome, bro.
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  Speaker 2: You're crazy. I'm the one who thanks, bro.
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  Speaker 4: You're crazy.
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  Speaker 2: Man, people are too good, bro. I knew it would
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  Speaker 2: be cool.
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  Speaker 3: My God, thank you for reminding me.
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  Speaker 5: Remembering that on Saturday, starting at 1 p.m., there will
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 5: be the last round of the X1.
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  Speaker 4: Of Podpah.
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  Speaker 3: Exactly.
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  Speaker 5: Where we will have the clash between Juninho Manela and Lucaneta.
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  Speaker 2: And tomorrow we will have a podcast with them here, live.
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  Speaker 3: Exactly, they will come here and make fun of themselves.
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 3: 4 p.m. live, the mythical young man. Who do you
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 3: think will win, Juninho or Lucaneta?
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  Speaker 2: Juninho. It's going to be Lucaneta. I did that just to.
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  Speaker 3: Who are you rooting for, Anthony?
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  Speaker 4: Lucaneta. I'm rooting for Lucaneta.
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  Speaker 2: No, the fans are one thing.
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  Speaker 4: I think Lucaneta wins.
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  Speaker 2: Take it, dude.
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  Speaker 5: Give it a like, subscribe to the channel, follow Anthony
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  Speaker 5: on all social networks. I hope you enjoyed it, my brother.
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  Speaker 3: I really did.
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  Speaker 5: I hope you guys at home also enjoyed it. Give
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  Speaker 5: it a like, subscribe. Remembering, we talked a lot about
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  Speaker 5: the call here, about the World Cup. Mítico Jovem is
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 5: making an incredible documentary about the great dream, which is
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  Speaker 5: talking to some players there who were in this pretension.
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 2: Of being called.
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 5: There was a wonderful episode, beautiful as hell, with Gustavo Gomes, man.
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  Speaker 2: Go watch it.
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  Speaker 5: Sonho que é falando com alguns jogadores ali que tava
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  Speaker 5: nessa pretensão de ser colocado né mas é um episódio
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  Speaker 5: maravilhoso lindo pra caramba com Gustavo Gomes mano vai lá
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  Speaker 5: do Paraguai acabar.
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  Speaker 2: Aqui já já tá na Vale do Futebol abre o
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  Speaker 2: canal aí vai lá assistir aproveita que o canal vai
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  Speaker 2: tá aberto se inscreve aí que a gente vai bater
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  Speaker 2: 10 milhões.
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  Speaker 5: Né tem episódio com João Pedro também acabou ficando de
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  Speaker 5: fora da seleção mas pô moleque muito foda muito da
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  Speaker 5: hora vocês acompanharem e ver This most human part of
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  Speaker 5: the athlete, what they go through there.
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  Speaker 3: Do you think it's just soccer?
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  Speaker 5: You saw what Anthony said, there's a lot of heart, family,
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  Speaker 5: a lot of things going on, guys. We're together, give
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  Speaker 5: it a like, subscribe, follow Anthony, as I said, once again,
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  Speaker 5: follow me, follow Podpah, follow Mítico Jovem, get 10 million,
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  Speaker 5: Mítico Jovem, do the.
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  Speaker 2: Honors of the house. It's us, guys, for the love
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  Speaker 2: of God, holiday, how good you spent with us, go enjoy,
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  Speaker 2: tomorrow is Friday, wisdom always, dignity already. It's us, we're together.
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