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The Late Debate | 12 March · The Late Debate

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  Speaker 1: Wait wait, Welcome to.
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  Speaker 2: The Late Pay Good Evening.
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  Speaker 3: I'm James Macpherson with my good friends Caleb Bond and
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  Speaker 3: the Nikker, the Georgio, who's completed her first week.
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  Speaker 4: Well, I'm alive. I actually survived with you to thank God.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, I deserve all the accolades for dealing with you, Tory. Really,
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  Speaker 4: let's be honest.
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  Speaker 1: God damn it.
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  Speaker 5: I found a bookie who would take a bit that
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  Speaker 5: you wouldn't make it through the week. And now I've
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  Speaker 5: done my dog.
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  Speaker 4: There's one there's still one hour left. Make that money, Cale,
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  Speaker 4: don't worry.
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  Speaker 3: Anything could happen. All right, here's what's coming up on
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  Speaker 3: the program tonight. Grace Tame has canceled all speaking engagements
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  Speaker 3: for twenty twenty six, claiming she's the victim of a
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  Speaker 3: national smear campaign. CNN forced to apologize again for more
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  Speaker 3: fake news, and the British government announces it will replace
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  Speaker 3: Sir Winston Churchill on banknotes with Wildlife. All of that
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  Speaker 3: coming up shortly, but first, be you there. Mike cannon
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  Speaker 3: Brooks is replacing more than one thousand workers at at
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  Speaker 3: Lancian with artificial intelligence. The businessman and occasional activist apologize
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  Speaker 3: to one thousand, six hundred staff, mums, dads, young people
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  Speaker 3: trying to make their way who are now superfluous to requirements.
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  Speaker 6: I am deeply sorry for the disruption this creates in
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  Speaker 6: your life. Even at a moment like this, and especially
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  Speaker 6: at a moment like this, your impact and contributions matter
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  Speaker 6: here massively. I want to say thank you for all
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  Speaker 6: of those contributions. Your work will live on in our products,
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  Speaker 6: in the experience of our customers, and in the culture
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  Speaker 6: that you've helped us build and create. It's an incredibly
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  Speaker 6: hard decision, but I still believe that it's the right one.
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  Speaker 3: I suspect the words wrapped around this don't really matter
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  Speaker 3: to those let go.
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  Speaker 2: All they would have heard is you no longer have
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  Speaker 2: a job.
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  Speaker 3: But with the cost of labor and the rapid development
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  Speaker 3: of AI, I don't think they're going to be the
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  Speaker 3: last group of Australians replaced by bots coleb Look.
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  Speaker 5: I understand why this has been done as a business decision.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, mister canon Brooks himself has a fever of
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  Speaker 5: money tied up in his company. I think it's nineteen
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  Speaker 5: billion dollars personally. He's done in his dough in terms
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  Speaker 5: of what they've lost in the share price now, so
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  Speaker 5: he's got to do something. I get that he's running
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  Speaker 5: a business. He wants to make a profit. That's your
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  Speaker 5: prerogative as a boss. But it really worries me where
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  Speaker 5: this is going when you've got big companies. At Lassie
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  Speaker 5: is a big Australian company, has to lay off ten
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  Speaker 5: percent of its workforce because AI is now threatening the
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  Speaker 5: way that business is done. And the problem for at
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  Speaker 5: Lassie is that it's a software company and all of
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  Speaker 5: these people, the brains behind the software, are now having
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  Speaker 5: their jobs. And once upon a time, this is what
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  Speaker 5: we were told.
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  Speaker 1: This is the future.
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  Speaker 5: You know, kids, go and learn to code, because these
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  Speaker 5: are the jobs that you'll be going for when you
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  Speaker 5: leave school.
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  Speaker 1: Will those jobs are now.
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  Speaker 5: Being superseded by robots that have worked out how to
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  Speaker 5: mimic the individuals who ironically have then total these bots
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  Speaker 5: how to do these things.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I think we should.
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  Speaker 5: Just stop, just stop teaching the bots. Refuse to have
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  Speaker 5: anything to do with AI. Get rid of it regulated.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, it was three years ago. I think you
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  Speaker 5: had Elon Musk and Steve Wozniak and all these people
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  Speaker 5: high up in the tech world saying we need to
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  Speaker 5: pause on AI.
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  Speaker 1: We need a moratorium until.
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  Speaker 5: We've worked out how to properly regulate this thing, because
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  Speaker 5: it could be the end of the world that didn't happen.
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  Speaker 1: And here we are at the point where we.
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  Speaker 5: Have mass job losses, mass jobs being replaced by bots.
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  Speaker 5: It is bad for the world because what are these
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  Speaker 5: people going to do now? What other jobs do they
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  Speaker 5: go and get.
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  Speaker 4: Well, firstly, I just want to point out the irony
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  Speaker 4: on all of this, because Mike cannon Brooks is a massive,
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  Speaker 4: raging greenie and did you know that artificial intelligence is
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  Speaker 4: one of the highest carbon footprints in the world, So
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  Speaker 4: it's just ironic the companies going down this pathway. I
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  Speaker 4: actually disagree with you on this, Kaleb. I think that
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  Speaker 4: we just need to start embracing the way of the future.
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  Speaker 4: I do obviously think that AI is now a beast
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  Speaker 4: that has been unleashed. It is largely unregulated. There's nothing
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  Speaker 4: that we can do about it now that the horses
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  Speaker 4: has bolted. But to me, it's like akin to say,
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  Speaker 4: an older workforce learning how to use social media. Well,
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  Speaker 4: now we've got to learn how to adapt in this
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  Speaker 4: very rapidly changing world of AI. I don't think overall
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  Speaker 4: that AI will eventually replace all jobs, but I do
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  Speaker 4: think that there is a big role to play in
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  Speaker 4: replacing certain skills. I mean, like, for example, one of
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  Speaker 4: my close friends is a lawyer and they even use
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  Speaker 4: AI in the law firm as well. I don't think
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  Speaker 4: that we can escape it now. I think the horse
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  Speaker 4: has absolutely bolted and I actually think we should embrace it.
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  Speaker 4: And I've only started using AI in the last few
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  Speaker 4: months and I am so impressed by it. I feel
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  Speaker 4: like for me it has replaced Google as a search
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  Speaker 4: engine because AI is quick and can give you the
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  Speaker 4: in information you need very rapidly. I don't trust everything
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  Speaker 4: that it says.
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  Speaker 1: I already you know, you've then got to go and
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  Speaker 1: verify yourself to.
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  Speaker 4: It's not that, but like little things like you can
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  Speaker 4: do things around the house for example, you can you know,
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  Speaker 4: in terms of the garden, like that's a really lay
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  Speaker 4: the guard as a real live example. But it gives
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  Speaker 4: you really, really good advice about small little things. And
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  Speaker 4: I am honestly shocked and so impressed by the capabilities
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  Speaker 4: of say chat GPT for example.
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  Speaker 3: Isn't this akin to the Industrial Revolution, when people sounded
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  Speaker 3: dislike you, Caleb, fretting that this is the end of jobs.
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  Speaker 3: All these people won't be gainfully employed ever again. And
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  Speaker 3: of course the Industrial Revolution did mean a whole lot
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  Speaker 3: of jobs disappeared, but a whole lot more jobs were created.
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  Speaker 3: And where in that everyone says they hate change, right,
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  Speaker 3: most people actually love change.
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  Speaker 2: They just don't like the transition.
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  Speaker 3: And we are those privileged or doomed, however you see it,
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  Speaker 3: to live in the transition period where we're moving from
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  Speaker 3: one sort of economy to a new economy, and of
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  Speaker 3: course it's going to be uncomfortable, But I honestly think
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  Speaker 3: once we come out the other side, just as in
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  Speaker 3: the Industrial Revolution, everyone will look back and say, you know,
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  Speaker 3: what was a rough transition, but look how much better
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  Speaker 3: the world has become and how much advanced we've been
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  Speaker 3: able to progress.
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  Speaker 5: I think there is a difference with AI, though, because yes,
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  Speaker 5: the Industrial Revolution fundamentally changed the way that manufacturing operated,
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  Speaker 5: but manual jobs that were previously done by a person
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  Speaker 5: that were then taken over by a machine then required
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  Speaker 5: people to service and maintain and build that machine. And
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  Speaker 5: the machine doesn't just sort of come into being, right,
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  Speaker 5: so there were still manufacturing jobs. You were simply now
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  Speaker 5: making the machine.
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  Speaker 1: That did what used to be your job.
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  Speaker 5: The difference with AI is that its purpose is to
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  Speaker 5: actually replace the human being. Now it does that by
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  Speaker 5: learning how human beings operate and mimicking human beings. But
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  Speaker 5: for instance, you say, okay, well we'll have AI driven
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  Speaker 5: automated trucks and cars and things like this. Now, you
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  Speaker 5: don't create any new jobs by doing that, because there
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  Speaker 5: are already cars on the road being maintained in the
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  Speaker 5: forms of taxis and whatever.
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  Speaker 1: All you're going to do is take the person.
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  Speaker 5: Out who was otherwise sitting in that vehicle. I think
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  Speaker 5: it does create mass job losses in a way that
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  Speaker 5: the industrial revolution doesn't. And James, you should watch your
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  Speaker 5: own back too.
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  Speaker 1: Because I'm telling you next they'll be coming after.
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  Speaker 4: You were sitting.
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  Speaker 6: Hey, guys, and welcome to the late debate on Sky
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  Speaker 6: News tonight.
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  Speaker 2: We're discussing AI. It seems the job losses could be
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  Speaker 2: close to home.
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  Speaker 1: Now, Look, they're not an entirely accurate depictions.
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  Speaker 2: I quite like that.
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  Speaker 5: Find that it's you know, you've got a lot more
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  Speaker 5: here than you do, and it's it's quite dark too.
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  Speaker 5: But that'll be the next vanguard too. They'll try and
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  Speaker 5: replace us, They'll replace reporters. I mean, why do you
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  Speaker 5: need a court report.
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  Speaker 2: I disagree with you that.
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  Speaker 4: I think we've actually got a photo of Mike Cannum
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  Speaker 4: Brooks alongside one of his new new workers. If we
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  Speaker 4: can bring up the split screen shot, do we have
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  Speaker 4: the picture? There we go, Canon Brooks next to his
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  Speaker 4: new worker, Mi co Canoni Brooks.
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  Speaker 2: The AI has no heart, but.
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  Speaker 4: The tin man, the tin man.
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  Speaker 3: I disagree with you that AI self driving trucks will mean,
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  Speaker 3: you know, no jobs. I mean jobs for paramedics will
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  Speaker 3: go through the.
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  Speaker 2: Roof with all the accidents exactly.
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  Speaker 1: This is the problem, you know.
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  Speaker 5: I don't think it's going to be a net benefit
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  Speaker 5: for the world. And I'm told by people who work
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  Speaker 5: in the sector as well that there's all this money
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  Speaker 5: swimming around in AI that sort of you know, it's
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  Speaker 5: just changing hands between companies.
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  Speaker 1: It's it's not real money.
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  Speaker 5: It's a bubble, effectively, and at some point that bubble
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  Speaker 5: will have to burst and God knows what happens with you.
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  Speaker 4: But it's cutting it's cutting jobs like it's cutting the
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  Speaker 4: work time in half. It's cutting labor in half. And
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  Speaker 4: that's why I think with the work it's just yet
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  Speaker 4: for employers to cheaper option, but the much cheaper option.
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  Speaker 5: Then, but then employers require people who have money to
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  Speaker 5: buy their products.
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  Speaker 1: And if you don't have a job, you don't have
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  Speaker 1: money to do.
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  Speaker 3: Just back to your earlier comment, as someone who's got
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  Speaker 3: to do some gardening this weekend, if you could flip
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  Speaker 3: me how to use AI to do the after the show, take.
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  Speaker 4: A photo of your plant, put it in a I'm serious,
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  Speaker 4: take a photo of your plant, put it into chat GPT.
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  Speaker 4: You'll tell you everything that's wrong with it. I'm serious.
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  Speaker 2: I want to get rid of the weed. I want
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  Speaker 2: to know.
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  Speaker 1: I want to get He wants the robot.
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  Speaker 4: He wants the manual rowbody doesn't want to come on. Sorry, Okay,
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  Speaker 4: well look now this is a possible another reason of
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  Speaker 4: the benefits of AI. It's to stop employees from taking
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  Speaker 4: the piss. Now, have a look at this story. This woman,
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  Speaker 4: her name is Jody Dawnis. She has taken one hundred
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  Speaker 4: and fourteen sick days in a year one hundred and fourteen.
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  Speaker 4: She is a Brisbane City cat worker employed by a
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  Speaker 4: transport company Callissian group. She's lost her bid for compensation
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  Speaker 4: after she was sacked four repeated absence from work, So
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  Speaker 4: one hundred and fourteen days in twelve months. I worked
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  Speaker 4: out that's about five and a half months of a year.
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  Speaker 4: That's a working week, that's a standard five day working week.
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  Speaker 4: But she was dismissed in July after kelsey And concluded
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  Speaker 4: that her medical condition precluded her from reliably working on
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  Speaker 4: the boats. So this is the part of the transport company.
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  Speaker 4: Now all preface that she does suffer from deep vein
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  Speaker 4: Thrombosas she began experiencing recurring blood clots causing her to
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  Speaker 4: suffer information and pain, she said that she was going
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  Speaker 4: to work and that the pain simply became unbearable. Now
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  Speaker 4: I'll make a comment about this in a moment, but
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  Speaker 4: it got me thinking to Ferris Bueller's day off. Have
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  Speaker 4: a look at this.
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  Speaker 6: This is my ninth set day this semester.
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  Speaker 1: It's getting pretty tough coming up with new illnesses.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, spot on, right, spot on. Now here's what
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  Speaker 4: I'll say about this. I am not by no means
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  Speaker 4: taking away from the severity and the seriousness of her condition.
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  Speaker 4: She's obviously lived in a lot of pain, and I
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  Speaker 4: do hope that she gets better. However, seriously, one hundred
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  Speaker 4: and fourteen sick days in twelve months, that is impossible
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  Speaker 4: for the employer. The employer is not there to babysit you,
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  Speaker 4: to be able to guide you through your medical issues.
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  Speaker 4: The company is looking to one make a product and
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  Speaker 4: two make a profit rather and two boost productivity that
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  Speaker 4: you become a complete hindrance and a reliability to the company. Now,
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  Speaker 4: your average Australian worker, if you are full time, you
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  Speaker 4: only get ten sick days per year. Ten and I
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  Speaker 4: personally think that ten per day is standard. Per year
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  Speaker 4: is standard, and I actually think it is ten per day. Well,
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  Speaker 4: Caleb's gone already, but I think that that is fair,
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  Speaker 4: and I think that this makes a total mockery of
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  Speaker 4: the system. And you can't and then then what bosses
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  Speaker 4: get hold in front of the Fair Work Commission like
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  Speaker 4: in this case because she was dismissed. I mean, she
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  Speaker 4: wasn't able to do her job. Again, I'm not taking
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  Speaker 4: away from the severity of her condition, but she wasn't there,
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  Speaker 4: she wasn't able to perform a function.
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  Speaker 3: She's taken eleven years worth of sick leave, in twelve months,
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  Speaker 3: and as you rightly said, your employer is not your care,
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  Speaker 3: they're your employer. So I think everyone would wish her well,
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  Speaker 3: But an employer can't be expected to keep carrying someone
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  Speaker 3: who essentially has been absent every other day for twelve months.
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  Speaker 2: Though she really.
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  Speaker 3: Is a bit of a nothing burger in terms of
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  Speaker 3: taking sickies, because last year a German school teacher had
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  Speaker 3: been revealed to have taken sixteen years of sickly and
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  Speaker 3: got away with it by simply submitting a medical certificate
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  Speaker 3: every month, and they just kept ticking it off, ticking
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  Speaker 3: it off, until they did an auditive staff and realized
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  Speaker 3: this person had been paid almost two million dollars over
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  Speaker 3: sixteen years for sitting at home doing nothing.
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  Speaker 5: You know, there is a job out there that is
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  Speaker 5: perfect for that person, because if you can think up
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  Speaker 5: those sort of schemes and get away with it, you're
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  Speaker 5: the sort of person who should be working at the
• 12:53
  Speaker 5: ATO finding out what everyone else is doing to defraud
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  Speaker 5: the nation.
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  Speaker 1: To be perfectly honest, I mean, you know.
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  Speaker 5: I've I feel sorry for If she's in pain, then
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  Speaker 5: she clearly has problems, but it's not the responsibility of
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  Speaker 5: the employer to put up with that.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, it's a matter between you and your employer.
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  Speaker 5: If you've got some sort of long term illness that
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  Speaker 5: means you're going to need a lot of time off work,
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  Speaker 5: go and.
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  Speaker 1: Talk to your boss about it.
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  Speaker 5: Absolutely, you go and say, look, i've got this going on,
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  Speaker 5: I would like to keep working.
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  Speaker 1: I understand it's difficult at the moment.
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  Speaker 5: Can I perhaps have some extra time off on the
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  Speaker 5: understanding that I'll come.
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  Speaker 1: Back at a certain point in time.
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  Speaker 5: Like these are the sorts of things that you should
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  Speaker 5: be able to deal with your employer directly on, rather
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  Speaker 5: than taking lots of sick days and then going off
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  Speaker 5: to the Fair Work Commission and saying, well, it was
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  Speaker 5: wrong that I was sacked with What sort of position
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  Speaker 5: is the employer meant to be putting exactly?
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  Speaker 4: You're putting them in an absolute impossible position. I don't
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  Speaker 4: know why anybody would want to go into business right
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  Speaker 4: now in this country when you've got workers who are
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  Speaker 4: dealing you're dealing with all this II. That's what I mean.
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  Speaker 4: This is an example. But you've got rising energy bills,
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  Speaker 4: you've got ir laws, you've got the unions with their
• 13:58
  Speaker 4: fingers in every part. You've got progressive employees wanting benefits
• 14:02
  Speaker 4: here they know, gender equality and all this nonsense in
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  Speaker 4: the webplace. Please seriously, why would you want to go
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  Speaker 4: into business? Right now?
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  Speaker 5: Well, that's right, but at least it was you know,
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  Speaker 5: good old fashioned sickly if it wasn't gender affirming evils, right,
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  Speaker 5: I can kind of respect that. Now, a very interesting
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  Speaker 5: story that to developed after Tuesday nights Asia Cup match
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  Speaker 5: against Taiwan. Now I call it Taiwan because of course
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  Speaker 5: that's what the country's called. I know I'm probably going
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  Speaker 5: to be hauled off by the CCP now for having
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  Speaker 5: said this, but this is the pertinent part of this story.
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  Speaker 5: Taiwan plays a game at the Asia Cup. Now they
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  Speaker 5: are known in the competition as Chinese Taipei. That is
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  Speaker 5: done to appease the Chinese, essentially, because they don't believe
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  Speaker 5: that Taiwan is a real country. They believe it belongs
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  Speaker 5: to mainland China, and they don't like it being called Taiwan.
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  Speaker 5: It is to them Chinese Taipei, and you so often
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  Speaker 5: see in sporting events that they sort of been the
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  Speaker 5: need to that in order to accommodate China competing in
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  Speaker 5: those same competitions. But if you're from Taiwan, I mean,
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  Speaker 5: of course you're going to call your team Taiwan right
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  Speaker 5: into shen Quei Xen. Now, I'm sorry if I have
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  Speaker 5: mispronounced his name, but he is the former head coach
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  Speaker 5: of the Taiwanese male soccer team. He goes to Paramatta
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  Speaker 5: Stadium on Tuesday night to watch the Taiwanese women play.
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  Speaker 5: There weren't too many people in the stadium. There was
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  Speaker 5: a small group there, and he was basically the head
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  Speaker 5: of the cheer squad. He corralled all these people into
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  Speaker 5: the same little zone and got them to join in
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  Speaker 5: with some chants that included the word Taiwan, No Taiwan, Hey, Hey, Hey.
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  Speaker 7: What.
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  Speaker 1: I mean?
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  Speaker 5: How good is that the former coach of the men's
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  Speaker 5: team there to support the women's team, loves his country,
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  Speaker 5: is ginging up the crowd, He's getting them into the game.
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  Speaker 1: What could possibly be wrong with that?
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  Speaker 4: Now?
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  Speaker 5: Security came along at one point and told him to
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  Speaker 5: sit down. Fair enough. He complied with that, but after
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  Speaker 5: the crowd continued to chant Taiwan, they came and took
• 16:26
  Speaker 5: him away. Gentleman to leave. Well, we don't want the
• 16:30
  Speaker 5: place to get involved, I said with the drabby Steve, He's.
• 16:35
  Speaker 4: No, it's unclare.
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: We have not any particle chance and non also for
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: the changing as well for the chanting, so we're not
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: allowed to change.
• 16:48
  Speaker 2: Just change again. It's decisions.
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: I'm not making a decision.
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: I'm just relying to you the information that.
• 16:54
  Speaker 5: I was given. So he's been told by security via
• 16:57
  Speaker 5: obviously the organizers of the Asian Cup that he can't
• 17:02
  Speaker 5: say Taiwan, that he can't chant Taiwan when Taiwan is
• 17:06
  Speaker 5: playing because that is a quote unquote political chart. I mean,
• 17:11
  Speaker 5: how extraordinary you've come to play in Australia. We're not
• 17:16
  Speaker 5: in CCP controlled China and you get kicked out of
• 17:19
  Speaker 5: a sporting match in Australia Sydney, Australia for simply chanting
• 17:25
  Speaker 5: the name of your country, Taiwan when they're on the field.
• 17:29
  Speaker 5: Grace who was at that match, she was witnessed to
• 17:33
  Speaker 5: all of this. She spoke to Caroline Marcus. The full
• 17:36
  Speaker 5: interview will be played after this program on the Reta
• 17:39
  Speaker 5: Panahy Show, but here's a snippet of what she had
• 17:41
  Speaker 5: to say.
• 17:43
  Speaker 7: You know, you look around our good friends by India,
• 17:48
  Speaker 7: they are able to chant. They have their own self
• 17:51
  Speaker 7: made instruments. They can like a drum kind of plastic
• 17:55
  Speaker 7: they can hit so hard and then they chair for
• 17:58
  Speaker 7: their national team, whereas us we can't do any of this.
• 18:03
  Speaker 7: Why can't we bring our flag into the stadium and
• 18:08
  Speaker 7: we are in Australia, we should be able to do.
• 18:11
  Speaker 7: You know, this is a free land. We should be
• 18:14
  Speaker 7: able to do what we want to do to support
• 18:18
  Speaker 7: our national team. We are not breaking any rules on.
• 18:24
  Speaker 5: How is it that you can be kicked out of
• 18:26
  Speaker 5: a sporting match in Australia for simply saying Taiwan. I mean,
• 18:30
  Speaker 5: you know we manage to just let the CCP come
• 18:33
  Speaker 5: and take over the joint.
• 18:34
  Speaker 3: How foolish must these people be feeling? I mean if
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: they'd only chanted from the river to the sea.
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: Instead they chanted Taiwan.
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: While you're out to call the chant of Taiwan a
• 18:47
  Speaker 3: political chance that the politicization here is the insistence on
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: calling Taiwan Chinese Taipei. That's the political chant, as you said, Caleb,
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: done to appeace China. The interesting news here is that
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: Chinese Taipei Taiwan won the game and have qualified to
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: go through to the quarter finals, which will be played
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: on Saturday. Question for both of you, do you know
• 19:11
  Speaker 3: who they are playing? They're playing on Saturday.
• 19:13
  Speaker 4: They're playing China.
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: They're playing for popcorn out.
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: Every person in the country will be barracking for what's
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: the name of the team?
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: I want I tell you what. We'll all want Taiwan
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: to win, won't we?
• 19:26
  Speaker 4: Of course absolutely? Firstly, how politicized has the Asian Cup been?
• 19:30
  Speaker 4: I don't think we've ever seen anything like this from
• 19:33
  Speaker 4: this saga of course, and then the Iranian soccer girls
• 19:37
  Speaker 4: as well. I don't think we've ever had a game
• 19:40
  Speaker 4: which is meant to be a fair, even fun match.
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: Have the Matilda's even been playing well, I.
• 19:46
  Speaker 4: Mean knows, because we're talking about Taiwan and.
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: I haven't heard anything about it.
• 19:50
  Speaker 4: I just can't believe that this has gone on. But
• 19:52
  Speaker 4: the second, how does this happen in Australia, Because this
• 19:55
  Speaker 4: is the sort of thing that you would say, I
• 19:57
  Speaker 4: would say in China or in North Career where people
• 20:01
  Speaker 4: are marched out like this. But it also is quite
• 20:05
  Speaker 4: dangerous when you think about it, that we've got Australian
• 20:08
  Speaker 4: officials pandering to the Chinese Communist Party from the other
• 20:12
  Speaker 4: side of the world. And I just wonder what sort
• 20:16
  Speaker 4: of influence there is for them or what they've been told.
• 20:20
  Speaker 4: Were these officials worded up at the start that there
• 20:23
  Speaker 4: might be some within the crowd who might seek to
• 20:26
  Speaker 4: I mean, I don't even think it's a divisive It's
• 20:28
  Speaker 4: obviously not divisive to say Taiwan. But were they worded
• 20:32
  Speaker 4: up initially to say, you know, if somebody says Taiwan
• 20:35
  Speaker 4: or tries to barrack for Taiwan, make sure you're arrested,
• 20:38
  Speaker 4: because what we don't want to upset who China's on
• 20:41
  Speaker 4: the other side of the world. For goodness sake, we're not.
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: Sometimes they're just off our East coast doing live firing.
• 20:46
  Speaker 4: Sometimes as spying on us, spying around the coast. That's it.
• 20:51
  Speaker 4: I just wonder why, if at all, were they given
• 20:55
  Speaker 4: a heads up? And that is a and if they were,
• 20:58
  Speaker 4: that's a concern to me.
• 20:59
  Speaker 5: What ticket cost, you know, on Saturday to go to
• 21:02
  Speaker 5: the final? You know, no idea because I'm thinking, you know,
• 21:06
  Speaker 5: we're all going to James's place for dinner on Saturday night,
• 21:09
  Speaker 5: but I'm thinking maybe Saturday afternoon, we got women's football
• 21:13
  Speaker 5: kick down the stage and start chanting Taiwan. I mean, look,
• 21:18
  Speaker 5: presumably you'll get a bigger crowd to this match. You know,
• 21:21
  Speaker 5: what are they going to do if we all just
• 21:23
  Speaker 5: start shouting Taiwan?
• 21:24
  Speaker 4: Well we might get arrested.
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: Well that week.
• 21:27
  Speaker 4: That will make great television debate next week, the three
• 21:31
  Speaker 4: of us being arrested. But it's true. I mean, what
• 21:34
  Speaker 4: would happen? And I think there will be people that
• 21:36
  Speaker 4: go to that match on Saturday who are going to
• 21:39
  Speaker 4: do exactly that and deliberately it will actually draw more
• 21:42
  Speaker 4: attention to it than otherwise would have.
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: You guys should do that Saday afternoon.
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: There'll be more sausages on the barbecue at my place
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: Saturday night.
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: Former Australian of the Year Grace Team says she will
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: no longer be doing any paid speaking engagements, at least
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: for this year. Not because she doesn't want to, but
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: I've repaid engagement she has forward from now has been
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: canceled because of pressure put on organizers over comments she
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: made that I'll show you shortly.
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: I'm sure you remember them.
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: Grace Tamee was speaking at a conference in Hobart this morning,
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: where she told the crowd, this is my last presentation
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: for the year due to an ongoing national smear campaign.
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: I've lost all my speaking for the foreseeable future. So
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: many cowardly others capitulated. I think this will be a
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: blip and I'm tough. They can't outrun me.
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: Literally.
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: Now, has there been a campaign to smear Grace Tame
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: or did she smear herself from.
• 22:39
  Speaker 7: Gadigl to Gaza Flobalfe the Incha side.
• 22:42
  Speaker 4: I was on my time from Gadigol to Gaza Globaline.
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: Now if that wasn't reason to remove her from your
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: speaking brochure, even the Prime Minister thinks, well.
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: You know what he thinks, Pauline Hansen.
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: Divisive, Australia Day, Australia Day, Great, Grace Tame.
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: Difficult. And I think that's the point.
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: People who have had Grace Tame speaking at their events
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: have decided it's all just a little bit too difficult
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: after the comments she made. No one forced her to
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: make those comments. She made those comments, and now people
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: are saying, well, maybe we don't need you speaking. I
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: actually it'll be easy to sink the boot into Grace Tame.
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: But I actually think this is really unfortunate because she
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: was made Australian of the Year because we wanted someone
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: to be able to speak about sexual abuse, and as
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: a victim survivor of sexual abuse, she had an important
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: story to tell. And I think it's a shame that
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: someone who could have made a great difference and done
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: a great deal of good now is not making any
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: contribution in that space because she couldn't stick to her
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: own Lane decided it wasn't enough to speak about that
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: which she knew about. She had to speak about things
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: that she clearly is quite ignorant of, and now has
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: forfeited the right to speak about anything.
• 24:09
  Speaker 4: No well got no sympathy for her. Couldn't have happened
• 24:11
  Speaker 4: to a better person. And this is what karma does.
• 24:13
  Speaker 4: I mean, what did she expect when she was out
• 24:14
  Speaker 4: there chanting globalizing into FATA because that comes with consequences.
• 24:19
  Speaker 4: Plus that and all the other activism she's done over
• 24:21
  Speaker 4: the years. Look, the funniest part about this is she's
• 24:24
  Speaker 4: actually canceled herself. And we get told time and time
• 24:27
  Speaker 4: again that the left are just so tolerant, the left
• 24:30
  Speaker 4: of the most loving people, and yet they are the
• 24:32
  Speaker 4: biggest hypocrites of them all. Grace Tame in point because
• 24:37
  Speaker 4: for example, you know, the left will say that you're
• 24:40
  Speaker 4: racist and they'll cancel you. The left will call you
• 24:42
  Speaker 4: a misogynist, that's it, call them out. The left will say, oh, no,
• 24:46
  Speaker 4: you're the one who's divisive. I've just lost my pen.
• 24:48
  Speaker 4: You're the one who's divisive. You're the one who's discriminatory again.
• 24:53
  Speaker 4: And the left are just as bad they are, if
• 24:56
  Speaker 4: not worse than them all. So no, I've got no
• 25:00
  Speaker 4: sympathy for Grace Tame. She deserved everything she got for
• 25:04
  Speaker 4: the Ben James. But it's true, No, I get very
• 25:06
  Speaker 4: passionate and dramatic about this because honestly, I think that
• 25:10
  Speaker 4: Grace Tame has conducted herself as an absolute disgrace and
• 25:14
  Speaker 4: it is such a shame that she was made Australian
• 25:17
  Speaker 4: of the Year. Yet my question is, what has she
• 25:20
  Speaker 4: done in those last few years other than become an
• 25:22
  Speaker 4: annoying activist who always puts herself on the wrong side
• 25:26
  Speaker 4: of history. Where was she when Jewish women were being raped?
• 25:29
  Speaker 4: Where was she? Where is she now when Iranian women
• 25:33
  Speaker 4: are finally celebrating that they don't have to cover their
• 25:35
  Speaker 4: heads and they're out in the streets. Where is Grace
• 25:38
  Speaker 4: tame right now, silent, always silent, So nope, she's the
• 25:41
  Speaker 4: biggest loser of them all.
• 25:43
  Speaker 5: And I think this is part of the problem with
• 25:45
  Speaker 5: platforming someone for what is a worthy cause, as you say, James,
• 25:51
  Speaker 5: but then kind of saying, okay, well now you're a
• 25:54
  Speaker 5: voice for Australia, ie Australian of the Year, and so
• 25:58
  Speaker 5: you kind of go, well, then net's all more than
• 26:00
  Speaker 5: just me advocating for sexual assault, and then other people
• 26:04
  Speaker 5: want to platform you for anything else you will possibly say,
• 26:07
  Speaker 5: and away you go, which is unfortunate.
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: It is unfortunate.
• 26:11
  Speaker 5: But in cases like this, I always come back to cancel.
• 26:15
  Speaker 5: Culture has been visited upon the right for many years,
• 26:20
  Speaker 5: and every time we say, well, surely I have the
• 26:23
  Speaker 5: right to say that, we're always told you have free speech,
• 26:26
  Speaker 5: but it doesn't come without consequences.
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: And so every now and again, I don't think.
• 26:30
  Speaker 5: It's a bad thing to see the same thing visited
• 26:33
  Speaker 5: upon the left so that they can get a taste
• 26:35
  Speaker 5: of what they've been doing to everyone else for so long.
• 26:39
  Speaker 5: Your words and your actions do come with consequences, and
• 26:42
  Speaker 5: if Corporate Australia no longer wants to pay you to
• 26:46
  Speaker 5: speak and views you as damaging to them and toxic
• 26:50
  Speaker 5: to their brand. That's simply the way things are going
• 26:52
  Speaker 5: to go. It's happened to the right for years. Now
• 26:55
  Speaker 5: it's happening to people on the left. What a surprise.
• 26:57
  Speaker 4: And as I said, karma, karma, that's what happened. Well, gee,
• 27:01
  Speaker 4: let's talk about CNN. They are having an absolute shocker
• 27:04
  Speaker 4: of a week now. You might remember last night we
• 27:06
  Speaker 4: spoke about the ISIS inspired terror attack that occurred in
• 27:10
  Speaker 4: New York City a couple of days ago, where two
• 27:12
  Speaker 4: teenagers threw bombs into a crowd and it happened near
• 27:16
  Speaker 4: the residence of New York Mayor Zoran ma'm dami. Well,
• 27:20
  Speaker 4: CNN anchor Abby Philip, she's one of their prominent hosts there.
• 27:24
  Speaker 4: She is a long term critic of Donald Trump. In fact,
• 27:27
  Speaker 4: I would say that she's also a long term chronic
• 27:30
  Speaker 4: and acute sufferer of Trump derangement syndrome. Well, that was
• 27:33
  Speaker 4: on full display last night when she said on her program,
• 27:38
  Speaker 4: she said that the ISIS inspired attack was actually against
• 27:43
  Speaker 4: ma'm dami, that he was the actual target of this attack,
• 27:47
  Speaker 4: when in actual fact it was at an anti Islam rally.
• 27:53
  Speaker 4: And as we said, this was an ISIS inspired attack
• 27:55
  Speaker 4: that was designed to create mass casualties, thankfully there were none.
• 28:00
  Speaker 4: Was designed to create mass casualties against ordinary Americans. Here's
• 28:05
  Speaker 4: what she said on the show.
• 28:08
  Speaker 8: Two Republicans say Muslims don't belong here after an attempted
• 28:11
  Speaker 8: terror attack against New York's Mayor Zoron Mumdani and the
• 28:16
  Speaker 8: House speaker Mike Johnson says nothing really to condemn those comments.
• 28:20
  Speaker 4: Another no, no, Abby, that was all wrong. That was
• 28:24
  Speaker 4: all wrong, was and it as we said, it was
• 28:26
  Speaker 4: not designed to target Zoraan ma'm Dami. Well, after mass
• 28:30
  Speaker 4: public backlash, she was forced to apologize. Now, she put
• 28:33
  Speaker 4: out this post on social media saying, I want to
• 28:35
  Speaker 4: correct something I said last night. The bombs thrown in
• 28:38
  Speaker 4: New York City over the weekend by ISIS inspired attackers
• 28:41
  Speaker 4: was thrown into a crowd of anti Muslim protesters and
• 28:44
  Speaker 4: not specifically targeted at Mayor ma'am Dami. That wording was
• 28:48
  Speaker 4: inaccurate and I didn't catch it ahead of time. I
• 28:50
  Speaker 4: apologized for the era and then also underneath that there
• 28:55
  Speaker 4: was a added context, which is what X does when
• 28:58
  Speaker 4: there needs to be more context. On the says the
• 29:00
  Speaker 4: use of the words specifically implies Ma'm dummy may have
• 29:03
  Speaker 4: been a target, when this is factually incorrect based on
• 29:06
  Speaker 4: every report and testimony from the two terrorists themselves. Bombs
• 29:09
  Speaker 4: were thrown at protesters and police in order to injure
• 29:12
  Speaker 4: murder as many civilians as possible. I mean, that is
• 29:16
  Speaker 4: a very very big distinction. But this comes just days
• 29:19
  Speaker 4: after that dreadful CNN post and the way in which
• 29:23
  Speaker 4: they actually described this terror attack. They said, two Pennsylvania
• 29:27
  Speaker 4: teenagers crossed onto the New York City on New York
• 29:30
  Speaker 4: City on Saturday morning for what could have been a
• 29:33
  Speaker 4: normal day, enjoying the city during abnormally warm weather. The
• 29:37
  Speaker 4: hex the weather got to do with it, and then
• 29:39
  Speaker 4: it went to save. But in less than an hour,
• 29:40
  Speaker 4: their lives would drastically change as the pair would be
• 29:43
  Speaker 4: arrested for throwing homemade bombs. Now, let me say this
• 29:46
  Speaker 4: to you. Abby would have known absolutely, There's no doubt
• 29:51
  Speaker 4: in my mind. She would have known what that script read, Okay,
• 29:54
  Speaker 4: because when you are a news reader, you do know
• 29:57
  Speaker 4: what comes up in your rundown. Now not offer you
• 30:00
  Speaker 4: may not be able to read it in advance, but
• 30:03
  Speaker 4: she would have known. She would have known the context
• 30:05
  Speaker 4: around this, and yet that was what she decided to
• 30:08
  Speaker 4: put to air. I mean, she could have had a
• 30:10
  Speaker 4: moment there where she went, actually, no, I'm going to
• 30:12
  Speaker 4: correct myself, but she chose not to do it. But
• 30:15
  Speaker 4: what this just proves once again is the hypocrisy of
• 30:18
  Speaker 4: the liberal media because this is the exact same organization
• 30:21
  Speaker 4: that hid Joe Biden's illness for many years while he
• 30:24
  Speaker 4: was mumbling, stumbling and fumbling. It is a mouthpiece for
• 30:27
  Speaker 4: the Democrats, and so anything that's got to do with
• 30:30
  Speaker 4: what the left perceivers, you know, those races, we can't
• 30:33
  Speaker 4: talk about that. Anything to do with radical Islam. They
• 30:36
  Speaker 4: don't want to touch. They don't like to touch that.
• 30:38
  Speaker 4: They just avoid all together. But she deserves to be
• 30:41
  Speaker 4: sacked over that in my view.
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: Well, even the apology was an absolute shocker. She says
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: that wording was inaccurate. The wording wasn't simply inaccurate. The
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: wording was the opposite of what happened. It wasn't just
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: a little inaccuracy here or there. That quote unquote I
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: didn't catch ahead of time.
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: CNN just lying.
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: They're just bald faced liars and tell their viewers the
• 31:07
  Speaker 3: exact opposite of the facts. I'm not sure why anyone
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: would watch it, and well, their ratings certainly reflect that
• 31:13
  Speaker 3: over the past few years.
• 31:15
  Speaker 5: Never let the truth get in the way of a
• 31:16
  Speaker 5: good story, right And.
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: What's that old expression? Is it true? Or did you
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: hear it on c Yeah?
• 31:21
  Speaker 4: Sure?
• 31:21
  Speaker 5: And she's not even a newsreader oither she she hosts
• 31:24
  Speaker 5: a panel program, so she would know the topics and
• 31:27
  Speaker 5: the script ahead of time.
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: I mean I read my scripts before.
• 31:30
  Speaker 5: I mean this show is unscripted, but on other programs
• 31:34
  Speaker 5: I read and mostly write my own scripts before I
• 31:36
  Speaker 5: go on here. Maybe it's seen and they have the
• 31:37
  Speaker 5: budget to get other people to write it for them,
• 31:39
  Speaker 5: but you should be reading it before you go on here.
• 31:42
  Speaker 5: So there's no way that she wasn't aware of what.
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: Or you would have a producer who would say to you,
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: hate that, actually this is correct.
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: Correct.
• 31:48
  Speaker 5: You know that there are many places in which this
• 31:51
  Speaker 5: has gone wrong, So you have to ask the question,
• 31:53
  Speaker 5: has it deliberately gone wrong?
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: Because they want.
• 31:56
  Speaker 5: To portray a certain view of what happened outside to
• 31:59
  Speaker 5: me his residence. I'll tell you one bloke who deserves
• 32:02
  Speaker 5: the YA for the day, though not Abby Phillips Gene Simmons.
• 32:06
  Speaker 5: Now he like you and I are sick of seeing
• 32:10
  Speaker 5: celebrities carry on all the time about politics.
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: Gene Simmons.
• 32:14
  Speaker 5: Of course, so one of the co founders of Kiss,
• 32:17
  Speaker 5: the Great Rocker, and he puts it as only a rocker.
• 32:20
  Speaker 9: Could basically, shut the fuck up, do your art and
• 32:25
  Speaker 9: shut up.
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: Nobody's interested in your opinions.
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: That includes me, who I've vote.
• 32:30
  Speaker 4: For, who I like, who the fuck you think you are.
• 32:33
  Speaker 7: People in America work hard for their living and they
• 32:36
  Speaker 7: don't want to be lectured too by people who live
• 32:39
  Speaker 7: in mansions and drive rolls.
• 32:40
  Speaker 5: Royces Hallulah, Gene Simmons, La, thank you so much. I
• 32:47
  Speaker 5: can think of a few people who might need to
• 32:50
  Speaker 5: take this advice. And we didn't have to troll extensively
• 32:53
  Speaker 5: to find these examples. These have only been in the
• 32:55
  Speaker 5: last few months.
• 32:58
  Speaker 9: No one is illegal and stolen, lamb and never obey
• 33:02
  Speaker 9: in advance, guys, Donald Trump, three Palestine sat transcars.
• 33:09
  Speaker 10: Many of us. What we're guilty of is an ego
• 33:12
  Speaker 10: centric worldview. We feel entitled to artificially inseminy to cow,
• 33:19
  Speaker 10: and when she gives birth, we steal her baby.
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: Give him the gene Simmons treatment.
• 33:25
  Speaker 4: I say, yeah, give him the Gene Simmons tongue life.
• 33:29
  Speaker 4: Do you know what this is? My response to this, Gene,
• 33:32
  Speaker 4: shout it, shout it, shout it out loud, Thank you
• 33:36
  Speaker 4: very much, saying exactly what we all feel.
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: Well done, Jene, Hey, aren't we missing something here? When
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: Gene Simmons says no one's interested in celebrity opinions, isn't
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: he a celebrity giving an opinion?
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: It is true, it is true.
• 33:48
  Speaker 5: But he's basically saying me and or my mates should
• 33:52
  Speaker 5: just stop talking about politics like.
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: He is right on this right or Ricky Gervea said
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: it very eloquently at it Awards Sarahmon only a couple
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: of years ago.
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  Speaker 11: This is a reminder you're in no position to lecture
• 34:04
  Speaker 11: the public about anything. You know nothing about the real world.
• 34:07
  Speaker 11: Most of you spent less time in school than Greta Thumburg.
• 34:11
  Speaker 11: So if you win, right, come up, accept your little award,
• 34:15
  Speaker 11: thank your agent and your god.
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: Gough ah.
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: You can't add anything to that, all right, Before we
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: go to a break, let's talk about what they're doing
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: in the UK with their banknotes. They've made the decision
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: to remove Sir Winston Churchill from their banknotes. They're going
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: to replace him, would you believe it or not? With
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: wildlife Now. They surveyed forty four thousand Brits asking them
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: what should they place on banknotes that would symbolize the
• 34:42
  Speaker 3: UK and that would not be divisive, and the overwhelming
• 34:45
  Speaker 3: majority of people voted for animals such as squirrels, and
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: so now something like a hedgehog or a squirrel will
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: replace Sir Winston Churchill. The Chief Cashier of the Bank
• 34:56
  Speaker 3: of England, Victoria Cleveland, told the media the kis driver
• 35:00
  Speaker 3: for introducing a new banknote series as always to increase
• 35:03
  Speaker 3: counterfeit resilience, but it also provides an opportunity to celebrate
• 35:07
  Speaker 3: different aspects of the UK. Nature is a great choice
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: from a banknote authentification perspective and means we can showcase
• 35:14
  Speaker 3: the UK's rich and varied wildlife on the next series
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: of banknotes. You know, when they put Winston Churchill on
• 35:22
  Speaker 3: the note back in twenty thirteen, many people speculated the
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: five pound note would become known as the Winston because
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: when you think what's great about the UK, well Winston Churchill.
• 35:32
  Speaker 3: But well, in twenty twenty six, he's out, well, those.
• 35:35
  Speaker 4: On a panel to actually create the new figure on
• 35:38
  Speaker 4: the banknotes, some of the actually wildlife television producers. So it's
• 35:42
  Speaker 4: either going to be a beaver, a fox, a badger,
• 35:44
  Speaker 4: a squirrel, an otter, a deal or a seal. Well
• 35:47
  Speaker 4: done to the UK for a raising its own history's
• 35:50
  Speaker 4: I mean, that's where we're right. But we've seen that.
• 35:52
  Speaker 4: Look look at our statues being knocked down. You know that,
• 35:54
  Speaker 4: Captain Cook. It's a progressive left trying to erase our
• 35:57
  Speaker 4: history and trying to erase our identity.
• 36:00
  Speaker 5: Are they going to put David Attenburg on there as well,
• 36:01
  Speaker 5: just amongst all the wildline.
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: Well, that would be right. I'd support that. We're going
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: to go to a break.
• 36:06
  Speaker 3: When we come back, we look at what's making headlines tomorrow,
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: including more transgender madness in Victorian prisons.
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: That's next. Okay, let's take a.
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: Look at what's making headlines tomorrow. Caleb has got the
• 36:23
  Speaker 3: front page of tomorrow's Daily Telegraph.
• 36:25
  Speaker 5: Indeed, where it says oil take that thanks for a
• 36:28
  Speaker 5: great headline. Government pockets millions from fuel price spike and
• 36:32
  Speaker 5: refuses to cut tax under the pump. Treasurer Jim Chalmers
• 36:35
  Speaker 5: is attacking petrol giants for price garging, but ruled out
• 36:38
  Speaker 5: cutting excise on fuel as government's pocket nextra fifteen million
• 36:42
  Speaker 5: dollars a week in GST alone from motorists. It comes
• 36:45
  Speaker 5: as bowser paying spikes, with examples of regional service stations
• 36:49
  Speaker 5: shutting all together refusing to pass on exorbitant prices. Prices
• 36:53
  Speaker 5: have jumped fifty cents a liter from a dollar sixty
• 36:55
  Speaker 5: nine to two dollars nineteen on average across Australia since
• 36:59
  Speaker 5: the start of the Era war, meaning an extra five
• 37:02
  Speaker 5: cents a liter in GST is raked into government coffers.
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: And you would think this would be an.
• 37:09
  Speaker 5: Easy win for the government to turn around, because of
• 37:12
  Speaker 5: course the Morrison government did it.
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: They have the fuel exercise for a while.
• 37:17
  Speaker 5: Easy win to turn around and say, yep, we're just
• 37:19
  Speaker 5: going to wipe some money.
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: Off the price of fuel.
• 37:22
  Speaker 5: But because they can't do it, because they know they're
• 37:25
  Speaker 5: in a precarious financial position at the moment and they're
• 37:29
  Speaker 5: trying to scrape together every dollar they can before they
• 37:32
  Speaker 5: go into the fine the federal budget this year, they're
• 37:36
  Speaker 5: not willing to pass on any.
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: Taxis this is such a great story. Every time from
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: now on that you hear Jim Chalmers or Anthony Albanese
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: or anyone else from the Labor Ministry talk about the
• 37:46
  Speaker 3: fact that they are really concerned about the cost of
• 37:48
  Speaker 3: living crisis and helping Australians garbage.
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: They're making money out of the fuel hike.
• 37:53
  Speaker 4: Of course they are. Well, remember when Anthony Aberaneesi said,
• 37:55
  Speaker 4: my word is my bond? Actually, what are your favorites saying.
• 37:58
  Speaker 5: At the end of the Bond Report five PM Fridays
• 38:01
  Speaker 5: every week, make.
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: Sure David little Proud on.
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: The broa quickly.
• 38:06
  Speaker 4: I'm so glad we managed to get the done point.
• 38:09
  Speaker 4: The point actually I was making before you you inflated
• 38:12
  Speaker 4: yourself there are gond was it basically say, I watch
• 38:15
  Speaker 4: the show, you just can't trust labor, right.
• 38:18
  Speaker 5: And then WA's opinionated today PM, by the.
• 38:20
  Speaker 4: Way, show that's very yeah, Aph, it's a great shape.
• 38:23
  Speaker 4: But you know, it just goes to show that.
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: Your Sunday Nights at eight is anyone going to mention
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: that at first Angle on Sunday this.
• 38:29
  Speaker 4: Has absolutely spiraled out of control. And here I am
• 38:32
  Speaker 4: trying to make a fair incod point about labor and
• 38:35
  Speaker 4: all I'm going to say is you can't trust what
• 38:36
  Speaker 4: they're saying.
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: That's very opinion.
• 38:39
  Speaker 5: But you can trust what we say on our programs,
• 38:42
  Speaker 5: of course.
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: And another story.
• 38:44
  Speaker 5: It's just a little bar down the bottom here on
• 38:46
  Speaker 5: the front of the Telly. First shots fired means to
• 38:50
  Speaker 5: cleares migration is too high as leaders make their pitch
• 38:53
  Speaker 5: for twenty twenty seven election. Hang on, wow, I labor
• 38:58
  Speaker 5: premiere is migration is too high. I wonder how the
• 39:03
  Speaker 5: federal government is going to deal with this one.
• 39:05
  Speaker 4: Yeah, And it's interesting because we know that Men's and
• 39:07
  Speaker 4: Anthony Albanezi are at odds on a lot of issues.
• 39:10
  Speaker 4: I remember over the summer of Bondi they were at odds,
• 39:14
  Speaker 4: and now what they're going to be at odds over
• 39:15
  Speaker 4: migration policy. All I can say is good on Chris
• 39:18
  Speaker 4: Min's but the proof will be in the pudding, because seriously,
• 39:21
  Speaker 4: we've got to lower migration. We cannot get every day
• 39:23
  Speaker 4: ordinary Aussies into homes. So let's see what he comes
• 39:26
  Speaker 4: up with. I'm very curious the plan, but I'm not
• 39:28
  Speaker 4: holding my breath at this point.
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: All right, let's go to the front page of tomorrow's
• 39:32
  Speaker 3: Herald Sun. Exclusive taxpayers face another costly slug with biological
• 39:38
  Speaker 3: male inmate set to sue state over treatment in women's prison.
• 39:43
  Speaker 3: New trans jailor Fail reads the headline. All right, here's
• 39:46
  Speaker 3: what it says. Victorian taxpayers face another huge slug with
• 39:48
  Speaker 3: a transgender prisoner preparing to sue the Allen government over
• 39:53
  Speaker 3: their JITs confusing reading stories about transgender people. Is there's
• 39:58
  Speaker 3: such a mixture of pronouns. A transgender prisoner preparing to
• 40:02
  Speaker 3: sue the Allen government over there should be his treatment
• 40:06
  Speaker 3: inside a women's jail. The government is bracing for the
• 40:09
  Speaker 3: case being prepared by a pedophile prisoner who is a
• 40:13
  Speaker 3: biological male. So in this case, it's the transgender person, yes,
• 40:19
  Speaker 3: suing the government. Yes, it's a man in a women's
• 40:22
  Speaker 3: prison upset about the treatment he's received in the women's prison.
• 40:25
  Speaker 4: Correct. I mean the irony in this, especially when we
• 40:27
  Speaker 4: know that there have been instances only a couple of
• 40:30
  Speaker 4: weeks ago it was revealed if you remember of a
• 40:33
  Speaker 4: woman who was sexually assaulted by a trans prisoner in
• 40:36
  Speaker 4: a women's jail. We have seen that there was a
• 40:40
  Speaker 4: case in Victoria where a man raped his own daughter
• 40:43
  Speaker 4: and then decided to identify as a woman and wants
• 40:46
  Speaker 4: to be moved into a women's facility. And now for
• 40:48
  Speaker 4: some reason, we've got a biological man suing the state
• 40:53
  Speaker 4: for the treatment that he's received prison.
• 40:55
  Speaker 3: After all of that which you just outlined, why on
• 40:58
  Speaker 3: earth in Victoria do they still have biological men in
• 41:02
  Speaker 3: women's prisons exactly?
• 41:03
  Speaker 5: And if you go and read the new guidelines that
• 41:06
  Speaker 5: they put out at the start of the year after
• 41:09
  Speaker 5: that case that you referenced Dneka, which was meant to
• 41:12
  Speaker 5: clean all of this up.
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: You read the whole lot. I've read the whole lot.
• 41:15
  Speaker 5: And there's about two or three lines in there referring
• 41:19
  Speaker 5: to the rights of other prisoners when it comes to
• 41:22
  Speaker 5: transgender prisoners. Most of it talks about the fact that
• 41:25
  Speaker 5: transgender prisoners are vulnerable and they could get into trouble
• 41:28
  Speaker 5: in prison, et cetera, et cetera. It shows no regard
• 41:32
  Speaker 5: for the care of other prisoners.
• 41:33
  Speaker 4: And sent to Alan Steel refuses to put a blanket
• 41:35
  Speaker 4: ban on it despite all these recommendations.
• 41:38
  Speaker 3: And you can bet she won't be out facing the
• 41:40
  Speaker 3: media tomorrow when this headline hits the news stands. She'll
• 41:42
  Speaker 3: push out one of her junior ministers. Oh yeah, we
• 41:45
  Speaker 3: say it's not my portfolio.
• 41:48
  Speaker 4: You're right out the childcare minister last time exactly.
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: That's her standard response. All right.
• 41:53
  Speaker 3: The other story that's interesting is LIBS man alp love.
• 41:57
  Speaker 5: Hey Cory Bernardi warned us about this, didn't he did?
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: In six marriages passed.
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: Indeed, the Liberal Party's handpicked candidate for the Nippean by
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: election was openly cheering for Labor at the last state election.
• 42:11
  Speaker 3: Embarrassing text messages have emerged showing Anthony Marsh, he's the
• 42:14
  Speaker 3: Liberal chosen to replace Sam Groth, was privately urging support
• 42:19
  Speaker 3: for Labour candidate Paul Mercurio on the night of the
• 42:22
  Speaker 3: twenty twenty two election. That is not a headline that
• 42:26
  Speaker 3: Jess Wilson would want to see on the front page
• 42:28
  Speaker 3: of the papers. They want to make this all about
• 42:30
  Speaker 3: the horrible performance of just Center Allen. Instead, we've got
• 42:34
  Speaker 3: more internal rigmarole from the Libs.
• 42:39
  Speaker 5: His text message was I hope Paul gets it with
• 42:43
  Speaker 5: three exclamation marks.
• 42:44
  Speaker 4: Oh find embarrassing.
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: He wasn't shy, was he?
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: No? No, no?
• 42:48
  Speaker 5: And he also said in another message that he'd consider
• 42:51
  Speaker 5: a career in politics if he quote was bored, politically motivated,
• 42:56
  Speaker 5: not a counselor and otherwise unengaged. They found the best
• 43:01
  Speaker 5: they could possibly find. I must say, though, I mean,
• 43:04
  Speaker 5: you do reserve the right to support a local candidate
• 43:07
  Speaker 5: on the basis of what you think the candidate might
• 43:09
  Speaker 5: do as opposed to the party. But there's not been
• 43:13
  Speaker 5: a lot of time between him saying that and then
• 43:16
  Speaker 5: trying to run for the Libs himself. Maybe he's had
• 43:18
  Speaker 5: a sort of Malcolm Turnbull moment, you know, where he
• 43:21
  Speaker 5: went from wanting to join the Labor Party to joining
• 43:24
  Speaker 5: the Liberal Party or something.
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: I'm not really sure.
• 43:26
  Speaker 4: No, I don't know, but regardless, that's an embarrassing text message,
• 43:29
  Speaker 4: isn't it. Now We just spoke there about Chris Min's
• 43:31
  Speaker 4: and I'm about to applaud another Labor premier. Have a
• 43:35
  Speaker 4: look at this on the front page of the Australian
• 43:38
  Speaker 4: one Nation warning as Maley defends patriotism, Labor must embrace
• 43:44
  Speaker 4: patriotism and respect people's love of the national flag. South
• 43:47
  Speaker 4: Australian Premier Peter Malanowskas says, warning that expressions of national
• 43:51
  Speaker 4: pride should not be equated with extremism. Halleluljah. Mister Malanowskus,
• 43:56
  Speaker 4: the latest and most senior Labour figure to openly champion
• 43:58
  Speaker 4: national pride. Midway Nation. Surge said Labor had as much
• 44:02
  Speaker 4: to fear from the right wing party as the Liberals,
• 44:05
  Speaker 4: and urged politicians not to sneer at voters' grievances over
• 44:08
  Speaker 4: housing and immigration. I mean, congratulations, who would have thought?
• 44:15
  Speaker 4: What does this tell me? One they're worried about the
• 44:18
  Speaker 4: rise of one nation. That is so obvious. Labor are
• 44:22
  Speaker 4: so concerned, and now suddenly they're backtracking on everything that
• 44:26
  Speaker 4: they've ever said about national pride and pride in the
• 44:29
  Speaker 4: Australian flag and immigration and multiculturalism. But he's right, isn't
• 44:34
  Speaker 4: he He is spot on.
• 44:36
  Speaker 3: What annoys me is they trash the joint and then
• 44:38
  Speaker 3: they know, oh, maybe that wasn't such a good idea.
• 44:41
  Speaker 3: And this has got nothing to do with patriotism and
• 44:43
  Speaker 3: everything to do with what you said, Danika Polls. Yep,
• 44:47
  Speaker 3: they don't care about the country. They care about themselves.
• 44:50
  Speaker 5: To be fair, Melanowskis has voiced his support for Australia
• 44:53
  Speaker 5: Day previously, so this is not the first time he
• 44:56
  Speaker 5: said it. But I think there are people in the
• 44:58
  Speaker 5: Labor Party realizing that one nation ain't just a threat
• 45:01
  Speaker 5: to the coalition and quickly before we go on the
• 45:03
  Speaker 5: front of the Gold Coast Bulletin, club vows to reflect
• 45:07
  Speaker 5: football Queens stand has penalized every competitive team at a
• 45:10
  Speaker 5: prominent junior soccer club on the Gold Coast.
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: Over poor crowd behavior.
• 45:15
  Speaker 5: Palm Beach Soccer Club juniors from under thirteen through to
• 45:17
  Speaker 5: under eighteen's have been stung with a penalty, with the
• 45:20
  Speaker 5: sanction coming off the back of poor crowd behavior at
• 45:23
  Speaker 5: the twenty twenty five under eighteen Jail Grand Final.
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: What is it with parents who go to their.
• 45:31
  Speaker 5: Children's sporting matches and can't behave themselves in the stands.
• 45:36
  Speaker 5: We're not playing for sheep stations here people. The kids
• 45:39
  Speaker 5: are having fun. Why do they insist on carrying on
• 45:42
  Speaker 5: like a bunch of hooligans.
• 45:43
  Speaker 3: Yep, it's an interesting story Gold Coast Bulletin. You can
• 45:46
  Speaker 3: read all about it tomorrow. After the break. I want
• 45:48
  Speaker 3: to show you an incredible pilot and a very brave
• 45:52
  Speaker 3: police officer.
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: That's next.
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: Well, every now and then I get the train into
• 45:59
  Speaker 3: the new studios, Denikro, I'd love to get on the
• 46:02
  Speaker 3: act that you've got there.
• 46:04
  Speaker 4: Ye have a look at this. This is the golden
• 46:06
  Speaker 4: ticket opportunity that Brits were well, I guess accidentally given
• 46:11
  Speaker 4: we'll bring this up here. Golden tickets blunder gives passengers
• 46:15
  Speaker 4: free train ride, so this was a generator as such
• 46:19
  Speaker 4: that gave free train travel across the country. Was shut
• 46:22
  Speaker 4: down because of a botched software upgrade. The blundersaw digital
• 46:25
  Speaker 4: seat reservations generated by the Great Western Railway website being
• 46:29
  Speaker 4: accepted as automatic barriers at stations as if they were
• 46:32
  Speaker 4: actual tickets, so passengers could scan the reservations which are
• 46:36
  Speaker 4: emailed to pass through any ticket at any gate through
• 46:39
  Speaker 4: the country. So bring up this graphic here, have a
• 46:42
  Speaker 4: look what the telegraph was able to do. This illustrates
• 46:44
  Speaker 4: just how well whimsical it was. Eight hundred and four
• 46:48
  Speaker 4: kilometers the telegraph was able to travel for free, for free.
• 46:52
  Speaker 4: Can you believe it?
• 46:53
  Speaker 5: Now?
• 46:54
  Speaker 4: That is a blunder and a half. They would be
• 46:56
  Speaker 4: expensive to go from different places around the UK.
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: Government should operate for free. It's fantastic.
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: I mean, you know all they could go to Coeens.
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: It's only fifty cents up there, you know that's true.
• 47:07
  Speaker 5: I'm honest, not that bad. I think this is brilliant.
• 47:09
  Speaker 5: There's actually an argument for free public transport everywhere. People
• 47:12
  Speaker 5: might actually use it then because they don't actually recover
• 47:15
  Speaker 5: that much in fear is to be perfectly honest, make
• 47:18
  Speaker 5: it all free, get people off the road so I
• 47:20
  Speaker 5: can drive my car without being in the traffic.
• 47:22
  Speaker 3: With the amount of money the Victorian government spent on
• 47:24
  Speaker 3: their failed my key card system.
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: They could for everybody.
• 47:28
  Speaker 3: All right, I want to show you the most amazing rescue,
• 47:31
  Speaker 3: not just of two motorists, but the dog that was
• 47:35
  Speaker 3: also in the vehicle. This is up in Catherine flash
• 47:37
  Speaker 3: flooding of a creek, and having rescued the couple who
• 47:41
  Speaker 3: were in the vehicle, they decided not to leave the
• 47:44
  Speaker 3: dog behind. So the chopper pilot John Armstrong Junior, who
• 47:48
  Speaker 3: deserves a shout out, that's amazing flying to have its
• 47:51
  Speaker 3: hovering right there. And then the police officer Ben Parfitt,
• 47:55
  Speaker 3: who's on the top of the vehicle, manages to coax
• 47:58
  Speaker 3: the Alsatian into the chop and the dog is rescued
• 48:02
  Speaker 3: from the flood. Pretty great, great flying, great police officers.
• 48:08
  Speaker 4: Hey, they are man's best friend after all, they are good.
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know, I've got two cats. I think
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: they're pretty good friends.
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: Would you rescue the ca the cats.
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: Well, you can't just leave them behind.
• 48:19
  Speaker 4: They are only friends?
• 48:20
  Speaker 5: Are They're not my only friend? I mean you're not
• 48:22
  Speaker 5: one of them to thee.
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: Never mind?
• 48:25
  Speaker 5: Now, look, they're currently searching for a new James Bond,
• 48:29
  Speaker 5: right that you come up with someone new for the franchise.
• 48:32
  Speaker 5: Kim Jong un has put his audition tape in. It
• 48:36
  Speaker 5: would seem here he is. This is from official state
• 48:38
  Speaker 5: media in North Korea. He's been a munitions factory and
• 48:44
  Speaker 5: he's posed out for the photos his best James Bond.
• 48:48
  Speaker 4: I mean, look with the guy and cam, how is.
• 48:50
  Speaker 5: He not in the running for the job. But look,
• 48:53
  Speaker 5: I have to say, though, why do they need to
• 48:55
  Speaker 5: even look at Kim Jong un? You've got Caleb Bond
• 48:59
  Speaker 5: right here? Ah, what more could you ask for? I'm
• 49:04
  Speaker 5: up for the job.
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: What do you reckon?
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: Your word?
• 49:07
  Speaker 4: Is your bond? After all? All? I mean you'd be perfect.
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: Him Jong one or me? Which one?
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: Is anyone going to the cinema to see that?
• 49:12
  Speaker 5: Of course they are mate. I've always wanted to have
• 49:16
  Speaker 5: the girls.
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: And the a.
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: I don't think that's getting any girls.
• 49:19
  Speaker 4: The opportunity has arisen, that's.
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: All from us.
• 49:22
  Speaker 3: Stick around Coming up in just a moment is The Read,
• 49:24
  Speaker 3: a pendenty show hosted by Caroline Marcus good Night