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The Rita Panahi Show | 21 April · The Rita Panahi Show

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Speaker 1: On Scolds Australia.
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Speaker 2: This is the Reader Penalty Show.
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Speaker 3: Good evening and welcome to the Rider Panehy Show. I'm
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Speaker 3: Calline Marcus filling in for Rido coming up tonight. A
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Speaker 3: complaint lodged against another anti Israel academic and mcquarie University.
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Speaker 3: We will have all the exclusive details with a man
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Speaker 3: who lodged that complaint. Donald Trump's popularity in Australia plunges
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Speaker 3: as petrol prices show no sign of fooling. My panel
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Speaker 3: will cover that in the day's other top headlines. And
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Speaker 3: speaking of Trump, time is running out for a deal
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Speaker 3: between Iran and the US. Koshagada will give her analysis
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Speaker 3: on that later in the program. And Left He's Losing
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Speaker 3: It features this confused American rooting for a fascist Islamist
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Speaker 3: regime over his own country.
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Speaker 4: I'm not gonna lie Iran totally in the United States
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Speaker 4: military is kind of thee.
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Speaker 5: In my life.
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Speaker 3: A new poll shows US President Donald Trump's popularity in
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Speaker 3: Australia has plunged to its lowest level of his second
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Speaker 3: term as US president due to the war in Iran.
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Speaker 3: The latest Resolved Political monitor found sixty two percent of
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Speaker 3: Australians now view Trump negatively, fewer than one in five
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Speaker 3: view him positively.
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Speaker 6: Unsurprisingly, Green's voters.
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Speaker 3: Are the most hostile, followed by Labor then the Coalition,
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Speaker 3: while One Nation voters tended to be the most favorable
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Speaker 3: towards Trump.
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Speaker 6: Voters were also.
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Speaker 3: Asked whether Australia's military should play a role in helping
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Speaker 3: to keep the strait of Hall Moos open when the
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Speaker 3: war ends. Forty two percent of respondents back the idea
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Speaker 3: of Australian troops participating in such a mission, more than
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Speaker 3: those who were against the idea or who were on shore. Meanwhile,
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Speaker 3: in results that will shock absolutely no one, the poll
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Speaker 3: found Prime Minister Anthony ISI's national television address on the
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Speaker 3: fuel crisis had overwhelmingly failed to reassure Australians the government
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Speaker 3: had the problem under control. Joining me now is News
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Speaker 3: Corps senior writer Patrick Carlyon and Institute of Public Affairs
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Speaker 3: Research fellow Colleen hark And.
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Speaker 6: Welcome both of you. Patrick.
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Speaker 3: Let's start with those findings on Donald Trump. Why do
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Speaker 3: you think he's losing favor among many Australians. Do you
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Speaker 3: think that our leaders wishy washy's support for this war
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Speaker 3: in Iran has maybe contributed to that.
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Speaker 7: Yes, Look it's a good question, Caroline. I mean Donald
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Speaker 7: Trump started this war by saying it was going to
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Speaker 7: be quick, it was going to be decisive, it was
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Speaker 7: going to be over in days, possibly weeks, And here
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Speaker 7: we are all these weeks later. We don't know where
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Speaker 7: the oil is going to come from, we don't know
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Speaker 7: how much it's going to cost. And we've seen Donald
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Speaker 7: Trump make threats against Iran that have He's sort of
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Speaker 7: been unpredictable, he's been erratic, and I think that is
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Speaker 7: certainly played. As this war goes on, he's become less
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Speaker 7: and less popular and less and less trustworthy. And I
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Speaker 7: think look, the Australian government's role in all of this
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Speaker 7: has been wishy washy. We didn't really know when to
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Speaker 7: stand up. We haven't stood up hard, we haven't sort
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Speaker 7: of offered support. It's all been sort of back, sort
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Speaker 7: of been on our heel of the whole way, haven't
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Speaker 7: we really? And as this keeps going on, this is
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Speaker 7: just going to deteriorate more and more, Colleen.
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Speaker 6: I mean what Patrick says is right.
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Speaker 3: We don't know when this war is going to end, obviously,
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Speaker 3: and we don't know if a deal will be struck.
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Speaker 3: Negotiations happening at the moment. But Donald Trump, I think
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Speaker 3: put an estimate of four weeks on it. It's been
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Speaker 3: about five at the moment.
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Speaker 6: Do you think it's fair that people are blaming him
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Speaker 6: that the war hasn't finished yet.
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Speaker 3: I mean, let's look at what the Iranian regime are
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Speaker 3: doing as well.
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Speaker 8: Yeah.
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Speaker 9: Look, I think the Australians are very much feeling the
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Speaker 9: pressure and the consequences of this, and the longer that
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Speaker 9: it plays out, I think the pressure only increases, obviously,
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Speaker 9: and that we're sort of feeling the uncertainty and that's
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Speaker 9: pretty uncomfortable about the global energy shock that we're experiencing.
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Speaker 9: I think part of it, though, is a media narrative
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Speaker 9: of the over personalizing of foreign policy. You know, sort
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Speaker 9: of it's all about Trump and only about Trump, and
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Speaker 9: of course, you know, foreign policy has lots of arms
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Speaker 9: and legs that need to be considered in play that
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Speaker 9: the average person sure is not really sort of thinking
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Speaker 9: about that. They're looking at their hip pocket understandably and
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Speaker 9: feeling the pain. But if you go a little bit further,
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Speaker 9: Australians still acknowledge and respect the relationship that Australia has
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Speaker 9: with the United States. Eighty percent of people still acknowledge
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Speaker 9: the importance of our alliance with them. So I think
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Speaker 9: this is a long term scenario that needs to play out,
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Speaker 9: and that hopefully this is a bit of a blimp
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Speaker 9: and it won't take too long, you know, for the
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Speaker 9: pain to go away and for sort of sensibility and
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Speaker 9: security to be restored.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe when prices start to come down at the bow,
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Speaker 3: so people will be feeling a little bit better about
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Speaker 3: the US President Patrick. The poll also found almost two
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Speaker 3: thirds of Australians did not feel assured by Albanize's national
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Speaker 3: address recently on fuel supply. That'll be no surprise to you,
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Speaker 3: I'm guessing.
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Speaker 7: Look, the big surprise there, Caroline, was that half the
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Speaker 7: population tuned in to listen to Anthony Albanezi. That does
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Speaker 7: really surprise me. He didn't say anything of any note,
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Speaker 7: He didn't give any sort of assurance that things would
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Speaker 7: get better. He looked like somebody who really didn't know
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Speaker 7: what was going to happen. And in times of uncertainty,
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Speaker 7: you want strong leadership, You need strong leadership, and that
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Speaker 7: wasn't an example of that, was it?
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Speaker 6: No?
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Speaker 3: Certainly, And Colleena I mean, as Patrick points out, yes,
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Speaker 3: more than half of people tuned in, but that's because
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Speaker 3: we didn't know what he was going to say. We
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Speaker 3: were surprised that he's been a few minutes basically telling
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Speaker 3: us nothing.
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Speaker 9: Well, I mean, I'm one of those people who raced
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Speaker 9: home to turn it on, and it's a very unusual
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Speaker 9: event for a national address. He's only been a few
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Speaker 9: in the last twenty years, Covid, Iraq, and I think
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Speaker 9: the global financial crisis was one of them. So they
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Speaker 9: are very unusual occurrences and ought to be held with
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Speaker 9: the highest of respect. When you gather a country together
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Speaker 9: to say, listen to me, we want to hear an answer,
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Speaker 9: and to be told just be kind to each other
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Speaker 9: and stay home was not any kind of answer to
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Speaker 9: appease people's concerns. I thought it was a shocking, abusive,
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Speaker 9: privileged position, to be honest.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, I think you're right.
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Speaker 3: Treasurer Jim Chalmers, Well, he's confirmed cost reductions in the
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Speaker 3: NDIS will be the most important part of the savings
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Speaker 3: package in next month's federal budget. Chalmers has called a
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Speaker 3: meeting and he's held that with his state and territory counterparts,
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Speaker 3: warning unless they help relieve the burden of the NDIS,
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Speaker 3: they will be liable for increasing costs. THEIS is currently
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Speaker 3: the third large expense in the budget and is expected
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Speaker 3: to hit fifty five point one billion dollars in the
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Speaker 3: next financial year. Colleen, even one of the architects of
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Speaker 3: the NDIS, is warning today the scheme won't survive if
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Speaker 3: the government continues to offer participants packages and boutique accommodation
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Speaker 3: worth four hundred thousand dollars a person.
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Speaker 6: I mean, serious cuts have to be made here.
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Speaker 9: Well, it's not a surprise. There's been warnings about the
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Speaker 9: unsustainability of the NDAs program for a long time, and
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Speaker 9: it's as a result of a policy drift and of
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Speaker 9: a lack of fiscal discipline. It's now the same, give
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Speaker 9: or take as the National Defense budget, which is an
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Speaker 9: extraordinary situation to be in.
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Speaker 6: But over a.
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Speaker 9: Period of time we have sort of incentivized incapability and
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Speaker 9: we've pathologized everything so that we now have sixteen percent
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Speaker 9: of five to seven year old boys, all Australian five
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Speaker 9: to seven year old boys, sixteen of them are on NDAs.
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Speaker 9: You know that d in there is supposed to be
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Speaker 9: disability and the whole NDAAs program has moved a long
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Speaker 9: way away from what its original intention was. The other
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Speaker 9: thing to remember here is that when they are addressing
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Speaker 9: this is to make sure that the government doesn't just
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Speaker 9: create another bucket and that actually we just have an
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Speaker 9: increase in budging rather than actually addressing the problems that
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Speaker 9: exists within within the system.
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Speaker 3: We're going to have to see how they blunt to
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Speaker 3: make those cuts, because as you say, there's just way
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Speaker 3: too many people on them. On the ndis it was
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Speaker 3: supposed to be for the most vulnerable, and so many
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Speaker 3: boys and young people on it. For what I mean,
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Speaker 3: they're suffering these families, but we can't have everyone on
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Speaker 3: the scheme. The Nationals have released an attack at ahead
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Speaker 3: of the next of next month far at By election
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Speaker 3: targeting one nation and it's now previous employment of convicted
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Speaker 3: rapist Seawn Black.
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Speaker 6: Let's take a look.
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Speaker 10: It was a shower like this where Sean Black attacked
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Speaker 10: his victim, dragged around by the hair and raped. It
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Speaker 10: was a cell like this Sean Black occupied after he
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Speaker 10: was convicted of the crime. And it's a polling booth
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Speaker 10: like this where you'll decide if the party that then
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Speaker 10: employed him to run their election campaign deserves your vote?
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Speaker 10: What party would do that? One Nation? They're not what you.
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Speaker 6: Think, Patrick.
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Speaker 3: One Nation has had a dip in the poles since
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Speaker 3: this whole scandal was revealed, but it's far a candidate.
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Speaker 3: David Farley says, voters haven't even mentioned Sean Black to
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Speaker 3: him on the hustings. So while the attack is slick
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Speaker 3: and it hits pretty low, do you think it will
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Speaker 3: be effective?
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Speaker 7: Look, I think Barnby Joyce the other day actually blamed
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Speaker 7: that the choice to employ Sean Black for the slight
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Speaker 7: dip in the poles. For the love from me, I
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Speaker 7: can't understand how anyone at One Nation thought that that
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Speaker 7: would be okay. I think it's certainly a factor, and
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Speaker 7: I think there's a lot of other factors floating around.
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Speaker 7: Whether it's Donald Trump, whether the nationals can actually sort
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Speaker 7: of launch a campaign that actually addresses these issues that
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Speaker 7: sort of have created this move to the right. The
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Speaker 7: reason One Nation has garnered so much support is, in
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Speaker 7: a word, probably immigration. The fact that the major parties
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Speaker 7: can't seem to manage immigration, and immigration is the cause
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Speaker 7: of cost of living, It's the cause of a perceived
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Speaker 7: loss of social cohesion. Whether One Nation can keep that
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Speaker 7: sort of that element sort of within its grasp as
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Speaker 7: opposed to the national sort of trying to sort of
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Speaker 7: take some back from them is what we'll see in
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Speaker 7: the next few weeks.
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Speaker 3: Colleen, I don't know that Sean Black is front of
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Speaker 3: mind for voters when they had to the polls. I
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Speaker 3: think it does take some of one nation's credibility on
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Speaker 3: things like law and order away because of how that
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Speaker 3: whole issue was handled. But he is gone out from
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Speaker 3: the party. But Patrick mentions Trump there, and the same
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Speaker 3: morning Herald is reporting Get Up is aiming to spend
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Speaker 3: at least six hundred thousand dollars on its own campaign,
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Speaker 3: targeting pool in Hanson and Farah, and the left wing
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Speaker 3: advocacy group is going to be targeting in particular her
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Speaker 3: alignment with Trump and support for his war in I run.
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Speaker 3: They're hoping regional voters will link her to those rising
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Speaker 3: fuel and fertilizer costs.
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Speaker 6: Do you think this tactic will work?
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Speaker 9: I think it's just another example of the you know,
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Speaker 9: smarty pants elite thinking that they can tell regional people
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Speaker 9: how to live their life, you know, don't I don't
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Speaker 9: have never seen sort of get upbout in the in
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Speaker 9: the country regions and in the rural areas being of
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Speaker 9: any assistance to anybody. And I think that there's a
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Speaker 9: very good chance that this might actually backfire because the
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Speaker 9: average Asturtian is looking at what's in front of them.
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Speaker 9: As Patrick just sort of said, it's about immigration, it's about.
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Speaker 10: The cost of living.
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Speaker 9: They're not particularly interested in any kind of foreign entities
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Speaker 9: to influence their vote in a Para by election, And
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Speaker 9: you know, I sort of think it's a bit wrongheaded.
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Speaker 9: The other component about the Nationals going hard at one
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Speaker 9: nation is curious to me because I understand it's an
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Speaker 9: existential crisis in this particular one off by election, but
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Speaker 9: I'm not sure that they should be burning their bridges
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Speaker 9: because Nationals are the most exposed to a one nation takeover,
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Speaker 9: and that in due course, which is not very far away,
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Speaker 9: for the next vigil election, they may actually prefer to
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Speaker 9: be pelling up and preferencing each other. So I'm not
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Speaker 9: sure that that short term view is actually to their
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Speaker 9: long term advantage.
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Speaker 3: Well, let's talk about a shadow association which allowed members
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Speaker 3: of the now banned Islamers take group his book Deier
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Speaker 3: to still higher venues and run websites for events. It's
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Speaker 3: been canceled after being exposed by the Daily Telegraph. The
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Speaker 3: Association Public Forums Incorporated was registered in twenty thirteen by
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Speaker 3: Annas Alwahwa, activists for the group. The newspaper revealed in
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Speaker 3: February his book to REIA members, we're using the association
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Speaker 3: to trade under a corporate veil for a decade. Last month,
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Speaker 3: his book to reer was officially banned by the federal
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Speaker 3: government as a hate group, prompting Fair Trading to cancel
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Speaker 3: the registration. Patrick a good move, I think, but I
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Speaker 3: think the authorities have been far too slow to act
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Speaker 3: on this group, and they've been operating in this kind
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Speaker 3: of shady way for a long time, including on college
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Speaker 3: campuses and playing a role in these public protests that
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Speaker 3: we see in our city week on week.
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Speaker 7: Absolutely look good on the Daily Telegraph for exposing this,
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Speaker 7: But I think the lesson here is eternal vigilance. You
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Speaker 7: cut off one snake's head when it comes to hate
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Speaker 7: groups or homegrown terrorism, and another snakehead's going to keep
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Speaker 7: popping up. And this is a win. And I agree
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Speaker 7: with the Caroline. I think it took too long to
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Speaker 7: close this down, but We're going to have to keep
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Speaker 7: on getting wins like this. Deserve the safety of Australia
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Speaker 7: because this is an ongoing threat and it's not going away.
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Speaker 3: Nine newspapers have published an editorial bemoaning Ben Roberts Smith's
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Speaker 3: special treatment from New South Wales Corrective Services after he
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Speaker 3: was released on bail. The paper says, with a taxpayer
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Speaker 3: funded convoy, the staff deliberately obstructed a public road in
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Speaker 3: an attempt to stop the former Special Air Services soldier
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Speaker 3: being photographed as he left silver Water. The Premier said
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Speaker 3: on Monday that that measure was about ensuring safety. However,
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Speaker 3: his departure turned into a chaotic situation that did not
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Speaker 3: appear to be safe for Corrective Services staff or the media.
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Speaker 3: The editorial went on to argue press freedom underpins a
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Speaker 3: functioning democracy and any attempts to thwart that should be
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Speaker 3: a concern. Colleen, I mean, this is the same media
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Speaker 3: company that just happened to have half a dozen crews
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Speaker 3: at Sydney Airport when the AFP arrested Bent Robert Smith
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Speaker 3: in a public spectacle in front of as children. While
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Speaker 3: I don't think that Corrective Services should play a role
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Speaker 3: in stopping the media from getting its shots. That has
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Speaker 3: already been an abundance of Ben Robert Smith shots out there.
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Speaker 3: I find this editorial quite toned.
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Speaker 9: Af Look, I mean some of these sort of standard
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Speaker 9: procedures to ensure safety and to provide a media circus.
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Speaker 9: I mean, we have to remember that it is incident
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Speaker 9: toil proven guilty, and this kind of media circus is
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Speaker 9: creating the scenario of a narrative of a decision making process.
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Speaker 9: It seems to have already been made. There is operational
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Speaker 9: standard procedure, it's common sense.
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Speaker 6: And the real question.
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Speaker 9: Is if we go back to who gets access to
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Speaker 9: what when, how was it that Channel nine cameras were
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Speaker 9: able to be there at the point of arrest in
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Speaker 9: the first place. So, you know, if we're going to
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Speaker 9: talk about standards, let's look at the very initial part
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Speaker 9: of this component and how are they there?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I think the we're still waiting on answers
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Speaker 3: on that undautedly, there's been a link somewhere.
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Speaker 6: Patrick Carlin and Colleen Hark, thank you.
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Speaker 3: Still to come a left. He's losing it. Plus is
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Speaker 3: time running out for a ceasefire deal between a run
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Speaker 3: and the US. Koshagada will join me next to discuss
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Speaker 3: that and more.
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Speaker 6: Welcome back.
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Speaker 3: I'm Caroline Marcus filling in for Rita Panahee. Now it's
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Speaker 3: time for lefties losing it. Let's begin with the unfortunately
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Speaker 3: named Californian Democrats Scott Wiener, who posted this cringe video
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Speaker 3: online celebrating having shamed a coffee chain into reinstating its
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Speaker 3: pride flags.
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Speaker 11: Phil's Tests announced that the pipe flags are going back
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Speaker 11: into Phil's locations as this a huge one for the community.
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Speaker 11: It's amazing and huge. Thanks for all of the Phils
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Speaker 11: baristas to advocate it and you bought bructly. Thank you,
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Speaker 11: Thank you really appreciate it.
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Speaker 12: Thank you.
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Speaker 6: What a victory. I know that video is not awkward
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Speaker 6: at all.
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Speaker 3: Speaking of pride classic poetry, it was once a thing
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Speaker 3: of timeless beauty, think Shakespeare's sonnets or wordsworth tributes to nature.
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Speaker 13: Now we get poems like this, dear transphobic female, you
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Speaker 13: speak of my body to say I am not a woman.
17:36
Speaker 13: I speak of your soul to say you are not
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Speaker 13: a woman. Your misogyny is poison, your masculinity is toxic.
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Speaker 13: Your eyes are empty, your soul is a void. You
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Speaker 13: are not a woman. You are simply female stay out of.
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Speaker 3: My bathroom, right, so it's now misogynistic to want biological
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Speaker 3: males out of our bathrooms.
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Speaker 6: Spare me.
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Speaker 3: And here's Hollywood actor Andrew Garfield struggling in a recent
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Speaker 3: radio interview with his newfound love for the Harry Potter films.
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Speaker 3: He's conflicted, of course, because Harry Potter was created by
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Speaker 3: that evil turf JK. Rowling, who, like her famous villain Voldemort,
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Speaker 3: cannot be named.
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Speaker 2: Those harle potements are really good. They really like that
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Speaker 2: re expected yeah, yeah, yeah, I know it's controversial and
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Speaker 2: like we shouldn't be, you know, putting money in the
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Speaker 2: pocket of in humane legislation right now. Through that, she'll
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Speaker 2: remain nameless. But the soul in the spirit of.
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Speaker 6: A lot of the.
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Speaker 2: Essence of the themes of those films, and the kids
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Speaker 2: are so beet and all the artisans and the craft
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Speaker 2: people and the the I'm working with a wonderful makeup artist,
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Speaker 2: Claire right now, who was working the creature workshop, and
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Speaker 2: I'm just like, oh, man, we can't throw the baby
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Speaker 2: out with the bath wall to the seriously.
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Speaker 3: Now, Donald Trump has been in a war of words
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Speaker 3: with the Pope over his war in Iran. Now watches
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Speaker 3: this Irish priest praise for the US president's death and
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Speaker 3: his congregation bursts into laughter.
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Speaker 11: That war is basically just absolutely.
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Speaker 1: The prayer for peace the world of Praya.
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Speaker 3: Doesn't seem very Christian, does it, And this confused American
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Speaker 3: lefty is actually rooting for a fascist Islamist regime over
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Speaker 3: his own country.
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Speaker 5: I'm not gonna lie Iran totally.
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Speaker 4: In the United States military is kind of the coolest
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Speaker 4: divers in my life. Like this, it makes it actually
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Speaker 4: fills me with like such hope.
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Speaker 5: I'm like, yeah, get them, ran, get them. They can't
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Speaker 5: have the street. That's your street, that's yours. Take that sovereignty.
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Speaker 5: Take that sovereignty, Iran, rest of Pecotolla.
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Speaker 3: I don't think anyone's told him his Iotola had called
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Speaker 3: for death to Americans like him. Meanwhile, Democrats are back
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Speaker 3: making the world a better place by singing again, and
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Speaker 3: this time the New York City Gay Men's Chorus co
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Speaker 3: opted the hit song from K pop demon Hunters.
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Speaker 6: It's actually kind of catchy. I don't mind it too much.
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Speaker 3: And finally, from the Everything Is Problematic files, here hasn't
20:57
Speaker 3: left you explaining how mowing your lawn is now racist.
21:02
Speaker 14: I can't stop thinking about how grass lawns are racist
21:06
Speaker 14: and like based in white supremacy. If that doesn't make sense,
21:12
Speaker 14: that's okay, I guess it seems really obvious to me.
21:19
Speaker 14: It's it's really upsetting. Bring back weeds, bring back clover yards.
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Speaker 14: Can we just can can anything just be okay in
21:27
Speaker 14: its natural state? Or do we just have to whitewash everything,
21:31
Speaker 14: make it a competition and use it as a sign
21:35
Speaker 14: of your worth as a human being in society? Like
21:38
Speaker 14: can we just have weeds?
21:41
Speaker 3: I think I'll stick to the white privilege over the weeds,
21:43
Speaker 3: but thanks. Donald Trump has said he is willing to
21:47
Speaker 3: meet with senior Iranian ladies if a breakthrough is raged.
21:51
Speaker 3: During talks in Pakistan this week, the president appeared to
21:55
Speaker 3: extend the Seas five between the US and Iran, saying
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Speaker 3: it will expire Wednesday Thursday morning, Australian time, which is
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Speaker 3: a day later than initially expected, and that he's unlikely
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Speaker 3: to extend the truth further. He also said the US
22:10
Speaker 3: would not lift its blockade of Iranian ports until Tehran
22:14
Speaker 3: had agreed on a peace deal to end the war.
22:17
Speaker 3: He posted on truth social they are losing five hundred
22:20
Speaker 3: million dollars a day, an unsustainable number even in the
22:24
Speaker 3: short run. Let's bring in Sky News contributed Kosher garden,
22:28
Speaker 3: now kosher.
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Speaker 6: It's great to see you.
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Speaker 3: It's always hard to predict what will happen with Trump,
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Speaker 3: of course, but do you see him being able to
22:35
Speaker 3: reach a deal with Iran and ending this war?
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Speaker 1: You know, I think it is always very difficult to
22:43
Speaker 1: predict anything the Trump, as you see. But here on
22:45
Speaker 1: top of that, it's difficult to predict calin because there's
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Speaker 1: so much lack of consensus on even what the objectives
22:52
Speaker 1: are of the deal. There are so many externalities that
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Speaker 1: we can't control. We don't even know who from the
22:57
Speaker 1: Iranian side really has decision making authority. There's the speaker
23:01
Speaker 1: of their parliament that sort of the face of the
23:03
Speaker 1: negotiations and seems relatively more reasonable, but then everybody expects
23:07
Speaker 1: and believes it's really the IRGC that's calling the shots
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Speaker 1: and has final control, and they have a different approach
23:13
Speaker 1: to things.
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Speaker 6: To put it mildly, so we really don't know.
23:16
Speaker 1: I think I would boil it down to if the
23:18
Speaker 1: goal is really curtailing their ability to enrich nuclear in
23:24
Speaker 1: order to rebuild their ambitions of having a nuclear weapon.
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Speaker 6: Then it feels like that might be within reach.
23:30
Speaker 1: Not to get ahead of over my skis, but because
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Speaker 1: our number is being put on the table, where the
23:35
Speaker 1: US is saying not for twenty years, Iran is saying
23:38
Speaker 1: not for five years, and that would suggest maybe some
23:41
Speaker 1: sort of agreement could be reached.
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Speaker 6: In the middle.
23:43
Speaker 1: If the goal expands to getting the so called nuclear dust,
23:46
Speaker 1: for instance, and other things like that, then it feels
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Speaker 1: very difficult to see how a deal is going to
23:51
Speaker 1: be reached because there's this completely no middle ground. The
23:53
Speaker 1: two sides are too far apart on that issue.
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Speaker 3: Well, I guess we'll find out in a couple of days,
23:57
Speaker 3: won't worry. The President also spoke to the New York Post,
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Speaker 3: where he said he will not be rushed to end
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Speaker 3: the Iran war. He also lashed out at Democrats and
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Speaker 3: Republicans trying to force him to end the conflicts, saying,
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Speaker 3: how bad is it that when you are in the
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Speaker 3: middle of negotiations and you have got the Iranians in
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Speaker 3: a perfect position, including being militarily defeated, and you have
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Speaker 3: Democrats and some Republicans asking to settle it now?
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Speaker 6: Kosher? I mean He kind of has a point, doesn't he,
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Speaker 6: This pressure.
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Speaker 3: Including from within his own party, that only helps Iran's position, wouldn't.
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Speaker 1: Yes, So Ron knows what its points of leverage are,
24:39
Speaker 1: just like anybody in an adversarial negotiating position would know.
24:43
Speaker 1: One is a straight up horror moves for example. The
24:45
Speaker 1: other is there missile range the neighboring golf states that
24:48
Speaker 1: are allies of the US. And one very big one
24:52
Speaker 1: is they know what we know, which is the political
24:54
Speaker 1: pressure on President Trump domestically with the midterms right around
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Speaker 1: the corner, and the fact that this war has been
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Speaker 1: controversial from day one, His choice in making this action,
25:04
Speaker 1: taking his action now in a midterm year has been
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Speaker 1: super controversial, including with his own base and especially, i
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Speaker 1: would say with some of his biggest supporters.
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Speaker 6: As we know.
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Speaker 1: So Iran is aware of that, and it's sort of
25:16
Speaker 1: rational to understand that they are going to use that
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Speaker 1: to their advantage because there is a little bit of
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Speaker 1: a clock ticking situation with the US political agenda domestically,
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Speaker 1: and they know that, and I'm sure that's factoring into
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Speaker 1: how they're approaching this.
25:29
Speaker 3: You mentioned Iran's parliament speaker earlier, Well, he's warned that
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Speaker 3: Tehran has new cards to play if.
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Speaker 6: The war resumes.
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Speaker 3: Do you think that's just tough talk or what do
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Speaker 3: you think he might be referring to their kosher any ideas.
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Speaker 1: You know, these folks are always telegraphing things. Maybe it's
25:49
Speaker 1: a little bit of saber rattling. I think, you know,
25:51
Speaker 1: the three things I mentioned before seem to be the
25:53
Speaker 1: known cards, the ones that are face up, just to
25:56
Speaker 1: continue that metaphor with the straight with their willingness and
25:59
Speaker 1: ability to attack allies nearby, and then the domestic pressure.
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Speaker 1: A fourth one that's obviously very sinister and we haven't
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Speaker 1: seen play out yet, but people have talked about is
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Speaker 1: activating sleeper cells in the homeland, in the US homeland,
26:13
Speaker 1: maybe in Israel, elsewhere wherever they have them. That would
26:15
Speaker 1: be another escalation for sure. If something like that happened,
26:18
Speaker 1: like a terrorist attack on American soil, that is another
26:21
Speaker 1: card that's out there. But obviously I hope and pray
26:24
Speaker 1: that that is not what they're intimating. They're at the
26:26
Speaker 1: negotiating table, though, and as things continue to escalate and
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Speaker 1: be very adversarial, I think unfortunately nothing is off the table.
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Speaker 6: That would be awful to see.
26:35
Speaker 3: Let's hope that's not the case, but you're right, they
26:38
Speaker 3: have operated that way in the past, so it's not
26:43
Speaker 3: completely off the table.
26:44
Speaker 6: I guess. Meanwhile, a spate of AI.
26:47
Speaker 3: Created Lego style animations made by Iran aligned studios are
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Speaker 3: sharing pro Iran and anti Trump messages and they're being
26:56
Speaker 3: few millions of.
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Speaker 6: Times on social media. Let's take a look at one
26:59
Speaker 6: of them.
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Speaker 3: A representative for Explosive Media, who produces these videos, spoke
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Speaker 3: to the BBC last week defending them, saying that the
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Speaker 3: Iranian regime was simply another customer kosher. I guess it's
27:22
Speaker 3: a very modern take on propaganda war propaganda, But do
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Speaker 3: you think it will be effective in turning young people
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Speaker 3: in particular against the West, against US and Israel over
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Speaker 3: this war.
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Speaker 1: You know, the creator of those videos might want to
27:41
Speaker 1: check any IP violations of Lego just saying I'm curious.
27:44
Speaker 1: I doubt Lego gave them permission to use those characters.
27:47
Speaker 1: But you know, on a more serious note, sure, question.
27:49
Speaker 1: I think the reality is even putting aside the propaganda
27:52
Speaker 1: machine from Iran is the tide has turned to a
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Speaker 1: great extent among the young people. We see that against
28:00
Speaker 1: Israel certainly, and the US for some related reasons, some
28:03
Speaker 1: different reasons, and they've been fighting that battle for a
28:06
Speaker 1: long time. The Trump election was sort of a little
28:09
Speaker 1: bit of a spark where young people did see more
28:12
Speaker 1: of a pro America push, but in general, young folks
28:14
Speaker 1: have been sort of anti America and anti Israel for
28:17
Speaker 1: a long time, and I think Iran is harnessing that.
28:20
Speaker 1: And then propaganda and social media and these types of
28:23
Speaker 1: cute see videos help. It's one more tool in the arsenal.
28:26
Speaker 1: In this day and age that we live in, there's
28:28
Speaker 1: hot warfare, there's intelligence warfare, there's cyberwarfare, and then there's
28:33
Speaker 1: information warfare. And this is something that different actors are
28:36
Speaker 1: perfecting to later greater or lesser extent. And it sounds
28:39
Speaker 1: like Iran is certainly having that in their arsenal of
28:42
Speaker 1: trying to shape public opinion in their favor or at
28:44
Speaker 1: least if not in their favor against their big adversaries,
28:47
Speaker 1: the US and Israel.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, and I think you're right.
28:50
Speaker 3: I very much doubt like, okay, the many permission, I
28:52
Speaker 3: DD say they might be receiving a legal letter from LEGO.
28:56
Speaker 6: Let's move on to more domestic issues.
28:58
Speaker 3: In the US, and the White House announced Labor Secretary.
29:02
Speaker 3: The Labor Secretary is stepping down from the Trump administration
29:05
Speaker 3: amid an internal investigation into possible misconduct. The Labor Department's
29:10
Speaker 3: Inspector General's office has been investigating a complaint that Laurie's
29:14
Speaker 3: shop as de Raimer, was having a sexual relationship with
29:18
Speaker 3: a member of her security team, A Department of Labour
29:21
Speaker 3: source told CNN. There are also allegations of inappropriate behavior,
29:26
Speaker 3: such as sending staff to pick up alcohol and attempting
29:29
Speaker 3: to use business trips as excuses for personal travel.
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Speaker 6: Kosher what has happened here?
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Speaker 1: You know, this is interesting because she's a name that
29:40
Speaker 1: is not really on the tips of many people's tongues,
29:43
Speaker 1: not somebody that anybody's really paying that much attention to.
29:45
Speaker 1: And so it's always interesting when you see these allegations
29:48
Speaker 1: of corruption and sexual misconduct and all of that.
29:50
Speaker 6: Two things come to my mind.
29:52
Speaker 1: One is, it's an open secret in Washington that everybody
29:56
Speaker 1: in every virtually every branch of government, both sides of
29:58
Speaker 1: the aisle, have a lot of skeletons in their closet,
30:01
Speaker 1: and often it's known. And then the question is when
30:04
Speaker 1: things come out why do they come out. That's the
30:06
Speaker 1: cynical side of me always thinks whether it was Eric Swalwell,
30:09
Speaker 1: who's been in the news in recent days, Tony Gonzalez
30:13
Speaker 1: on the Republican side, and now this member of the
30:15
Speaker 1: Trump administration. Again, I would say, I don't know anything
30:19
Speaker 1: in particular about her history, but obviously this doesn't look good,
30:23
Speaker 1: and if somebody is being hung out to dry, there
30:25
Speaker 1: must be enough evidence there that led to that, because
30:28
Speaker 1: otherwise people don't leave their posts very easily or very
30:31
Speaker 1: willingly in Washington.
30:33
Speaker 6: No, no, they don't now.
30:35
Speaker 3: FBI director Cash Patel has filed a defamation lawsuit against
30:39
Speaker 3: The Atlantic and one of its writers. An Atlantic story
30:42
Speaker 3: claimed Patel's drinking has become a source of concern among
30:47
Speaker 3: government officials, and cited sources who are warried his behavior
30:51
Speaker 3: has become a threat to public safety. Patel has delied
30:55
Speaker 3: those claims as saying they are malicious and factually inaccurate.
30:59
Speaker 3: He's seeking two hundred and fifty million US dollars and
31:02
Speaker 3: damages in the suit, which was filed in the Federal
31:04
Speaker 3: District Court in Washington, DC. Kosher, I mean, they are
31:08
Speaker 3: some pretty damaging claims to make against someone in Patel's position,
31:12
Speaker 3: But a quarter of a billion dollars, that's what he's
31:15
Speaker 3: seeking here.
31:16
Speaker 6: It's quite you know, it's huge.
31:19
Speaker 3: Obviously, it's a massive amount of money. Do you think
31:22
Speaker 3: he has a case.
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Speaker 1: It's very difficult in the US to sue the press
31:29
Speaker 1: because of the First Amendment and the way the libel
31:32
Speaker 1: laws are structured. If you're a public figure, which he
31:34
Speaker 1: obviously is, is very very difficult to win these types
31:38
Speaker 1: of cases against the press. He would have to prove
31:40
Speaker 1: with actual, documented, evidentiary proof that they knowingly slandered him
31:47
Speaker 1: and misstated his drinking. You know what this case is
31:49
Speaker 1: about with malice, that's a very high bar to clear.
31:52
Speaker 1: So more likely what it is is it's a little
31:54
Speaker 1: bit of a pr tool. It's kind of a page
31:57
Speaker 1: out of Trump's playbook, actually being litigious and using the
32:00
Speaker 1: law to silence people who maybe are disparaging things for
32:03
Speaker 1: slandering you. Even if it doesn't rise to the necessary
32:05
Speaker 1: legal standard, it's possible they settle just out of nuisance
32:09
Speaker 1: value or something like that. Maybe he gets some sort
32:11
Speaker 1: of apology if he's able to prove that there was
32:14
Speaker 1: deliberate slander involved in some way. But it feels like
32:17
Speaker 1: it's a little bit more of optics and pr as
32:20
Speaker 1: opposed to a serious legal strategy.
32:22
Speaker 6: But I don't know.
32:23
Speaker 1: Maybe he does have proof to reach that threshold of
32:25
Speaker 1: malice proving malice, and if so, then we shall find out.
32:29
Speaker 3: Well we'll see suing someone for a quarter of a
32:32
Speaker 3: billion dollars. So pretty much the strongest denial you can
32:35
Speaker 3: make our guess against allegations, even if you can't win
32:38
Speaker 3: a court case.
32:39
Speaker 6: Now, let's talk about this tragic story.
32:42
Speaker 3: The identities of eight children killed in the Louisiana shooting
32:46
Speaker 3: have been released by local authorities. The gunman, identified as
32:50
Speaker 3: thirty one year old Shammar Elkins, fatally shot the children,
32:54
Speaker 3: including seven of his own, at two separate houses. Police
32:58
Speaker 3: then shot Elkins dead during a pursuit after he fled
33:02
Speaker 3: in a vehicle that he had khajacked. They say it
33:06
Speaker 3: marks the nation's deadliest mass shooting more than two years kosher.
33:10
Speaker 3: Is such a sad story, And now it's emerged that
33:14
Speaker 3: one of the victims actually made an ominous warning about
33:17
Speaker 3: the killer some years ago.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it really is horrific. We don't know too much
33:24
Speaker 1: more about it at the stage because of the developing story.
33:27
Speaker 1: We do know that he is thirty one years old,
33:30
Speaker 1: was thirty one years old, and was an army veteran,
33:32
Speaker 1: so that sort of adds another layer to it. And
33:35
Speaker 1: the motive so far that authorities are ascribing is that
33:37
Speaker 1: it's relating to domestic dispute. He had separated from the
33:42
Speaker 1: mother of those seven children. There's some sort of custody
33:45
Speaker 1: battle and other things potentially that were at play. And
33:47
Speaker 1: of the eight children's, seven were his own and one
33:49
Speaker 1: was a nephew who was next door. It was two
33:53
Speaker 1: houses that he basically opened fire on with this gun.
33:56
Speaker 6: So who knows.
33:57
Speaker 1: Now, I'm just speculating if there's some sort of mental
33:59
Speaker 1: issue and PTSD as an army batter, other things that
34:02
Speaker 1: we're at play.
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Speaker 6: We don't know.
34:03
Speaker 1: But this is not something you see every day for
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Speaker 1: somebody to pick up a firearm and open fire on
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Speaker 1: a house that they know their own small children are in.
34:12
Speaker 6: And it's indeed a very very sad story.
34:14
Speaker 3: Yeah, just so try to heartbreaking. Let's talk about President
34:19
Speaker 3: Trump announcing historic reforms to accelerate access to new medical
34:23
Speaker 3: research and treatments for psychedelic drugs. NOW podcaster Joe Rogan
34:28
Speaker 3: joined the President in the White House as Trump announced
34:31
Speaker 3: the reforms.
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Speaker 12: They are pleased to announce historic reforms to dramatically accelerate
34:38
Speaker 12: access to new medical research and treatments based on psychedelic drugs.
34:43
Speaker 12: In many cases, these experimental treatments have shown life changing
34:47
Speaker 12: potential for those suffering from severe mental illness and depression,
34:52
Speaker 12: including our cherished veterans. Our veterans having a tremendous part time.
34:57
Speaker 12: You know, the suicide rate. We have it down a
34:59
Speaker 12: little bit, but they have a.
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Speaker 6: Hard time now kosher.
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Speaker 3: This will pave the way for the first ever human
35:04
Speaker 3: trials for these drugs in the United States.
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Speaker 6: How significant is that?
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Speaker 1: Potentially?
35:12
Speaker 6: Really significant.
35:13
Speaker 1: I mean, psychedelics is obviously very experimental, as the President said,
35:17
Speaker 1: and there's so much we don't know. As a field,
35:19
Speaker 1: it's certainly in its infancy. It does have a following,
35:22
Speaker 1: and there's lots of research in it. But I think
35:24
Speaker 1: the bigger point is his ability and willingness to cut
35:28
Speaker 1: red tape and accelerate the FDA process, not irresponsibly, but
35:33
Speaker 1: in a way where you're removing barriers, bureaucratic barriers. It
35:37
Speaker 1: lead to these things taking decades and decades and decades,
35:40
Speaker 1: and maybe where they could be shortened.
35:42
Speaker 6: He's done similar things.
35:43
Speaker 1: In the first term. He famously approved this right to
35:47
Speaker 1: try concept, which is that if you are terminally ill,
35:52
Speaker 1: you should have full access to anything experimental because it's
35:54
Speaker 1: your choice at that point if your days are numbered.
35:56
Speaker 1: And that thing was caught up in so much bureaucracy
35:58
Speaker 1: for many years, and he was that's somebody who's able,
36:01
Speaker 1: the first president who's able to get it over the line.
36:03
Speaker 1: So this sort of fits in that category of just
36:05
Speaker 1: his willingness to cut red tape and be innovative and
36:07
Speaker 1: unleash innovation in the medical sciences into the world. And
36:11
Speaker 1: if it turns out that medicinal psychedelics do have some
36:15
Speaker 1: important powers against diseases that right now are you beating
36:19
Speaker 1: conventional therapies and remedies, then this would be a big
36:22
Speaker 1: step towards getting us closer to seeing that.
36:24
Speaker 6: You know, come to fruition.
36:25
Speaker 3: I think a lot of countries will be watching it closely. Koshikata,
36:28
Speaker 3: thank you for your time still to come. My exclusive
36:32
Speaker 3: on an internal investigation launched against another anti Israel academic
36:37
Speaker 3: at mcquarie University. The man who launched that complaint, Michael Gentscher,
36:42
Speaker 3: joins me in studio now to an exclusive on the
36:57
Speaker 3: reader Panahe Show. Sydney's mccry University has already come under
37:02
Speaker 3: fire over its largely taxpayer funded academic Randa abdel Fatta,
37:07
Speaker 3: who's called for the end of Israel, declared Zionists have
37:11
Speaker 3: no right to cultural safety, shared this photo of Palestinian
37:15
Speaker 3: paragliders the day after October seven, and led children in
37:20
Speaker 3: campus chants of interfata, We're back to distinct parasized.
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Speaker 6: Palestine will be free.
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Speaker 15: Savestate.
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Speaker 3: By the way, that protest was taxpayer funded. Two and
37:44
Speaker 3: tonight I can reveal mcquarie University is now investigating another
37:49
Speaker 3: of their anti Israel academics, this time Lebanese Australian Jumana Baye,
37:55
Speaker 3: an associate professor in its School of International Studies who
37:59
Speaker 3: has previously I appeared in conversation alongside Rounda abdel Fatta.
38:04
Speaker 3: The university is reviewing a lecture delivered by doctor Baya
38:08
Speaker 3: last month in her Middle East Politics class, which was
38:12
Speaker 3: the subject of a formal complaint, raising concerns over her
38:16
Speaker 3: repeated referrals to the prescribed terror group Hezbelah as simply
38:21
Speaker 3: a resistance group, as well as the use of highly
38:24
Speaker 3: contested claims like ethnic cleansing to describe Israel's military actions
38:30
Speaker 3: in Lebanon. Here's one example from a recording of that
38:34
Speaker 3: lecture obtained by.
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Speaker 15: Sky News, focusing on the resistance groups has Abola and
38:43
Speaker 15: its allies. They perceive Israel not just as Lebanon's enemy
38:48
Speaker 15: because it aggresses against the self. They see Israel as
38:53
Speaker 15: a problem for all of Lebanon.
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Speaker 3: It's understood the university is taking this complaint very serious,
39:00
Speaker 3: and I have seen confirmation they are investigating the matter,
39:04
Speaker 3: a university spokesperson told us. While he could not comment
39:07
Speaker 3: publicly on staff matters, the university has a comprehensive policy
39:12
Speaker 3: framework that makes all hate speech, including anti Semitism, unacceptable,
39:18
Speaker 3: and sets clear standards for conduct across the institution, including
39:23
Speaker 3: responsibility for maintaining academic standards. Where substantiated breaches of policy occur,
39:30
Speaker 3: appropriate and proportionate action is taken. Joining me now is
39:35
Speaker 3: the man who lodged that complaint. Michael Genscher, the executive
39:38
Speaker 3: director of Stand with Us Australia, a charity that educates
39:42
Speaker 3: about anti Semitism and Israel.
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Speaker 6: Michael, thanks for your time. You lodge this complaint on.
39:48
Speaker 3: Behalf of a student, a Jewish student I believe at
39:51
Speaker 3: the university, who is in this class. What are your
39:54
Speaker 3: concerns about this lecture and this academic.
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Speaker 8: Thanks Caroline, if I might just star, I think one
40:01
Speaker 8: of my biggest concerns is why I actually raised the complaint.
40:05
Speaker 8: I'm most concerned that, since finding out about this incident,
40:09
Speaker 8: that there are actually four other Jewish students within this class,
40:13
Speaker 8: none of which felt comfortable enough to go forward through
40:17
Speaker 8: the university processes to raise this complaint. So that, for
40:21
Speaker 8: me is a great concern, and that's something that we
40:23
Speaker 8: have to look at, is why students don't feel comfortable
40:26
Speaker 8: or safe to do so.
40:28
Speaker 6: Did did I say why they didn't feel comfortable?
40:30
Speaker 8: I've spoken to three of them. One of them was
40:34
Speaker 8: uncomfortable because previously she raised a complaint. Now maybe it
40:39
Speaker 8: could be argued that she didn't raise it with the
40:41
Speaker 8: right person. She raised it directly with a lecturer, and
40:45
Speaker 8: she felt that there were certain ramifications negatively impacted upon
40:49
Speaker 8: her studies. So this happened last year and she does
40:53
Speaker 8: not feel comfortable, or I should say she didn't feel comfortable.
40:57
Speaker 8: But I did find out today that she has lodged
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Speaker 8: a formal complaint with the Dean of Students and may
41:02
Speaker 8: also say the Dean of Students and the Vice Chancellor
41:05
Speaker 8: have been absolutely excellent in terms of professionalism and being
41:11
Speaker 8: quite involved and interested. But still there needs to be outcomes.
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Speaker 6: That's good to hear. So what are the concerns with
41:18
Speaker 6: the lecture itself? It was a two hour lecture.
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Speaker 3: There were repeated references, as I told you, as to
41:25
Speaker 3: Hesbella as a resistance group or resistance party, which I
41:30
Speaker 3: know you've said sanitizes the terror organization.
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Speaker 6: So what do you think are the main problems with
41:38
Speaker 6: what was said?
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Speaker 8: Well, I think the main problems, you know Hesbella, which
41:42
Speaker 8: is a terrorist organization recognized as such around the world,
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Speaker 8: within a university at mccorr University in Australia this day
41:51
Speaker 8: and age is being let's be honest, this is a
41:54
Speaker 8: teachers student relationship and they are being taught contrary to
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Speaker 8: that record cognition that Hesbaala is a terrorist organization. That's
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Speaker 8: appalling that. I don't believe Fallow is a balanced academic
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Speaker 8: standard and this is the standard by which those kids
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Speaker 8: are being exposed to Hesbla's resistance organization was only one.
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Speaker 8: Within that two hour lecture or tirade, there was a
42:19
Speaker 8: number of points that were brought up, many of them
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Speaker 8: quite disturbing in terms of ethnic cleansing, genocide, land grab
42:28
Speaker 8: using Francisca Albanesi for example, as the incredible standard and
42:36
Speaker 8: excellence in terms of judgment of law.
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Speaker 3: And she is of course the United Nations Special rappertoire
42:41
Speaker 3: to remind people on.
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Speaker 8: Palestine on Palestine, So you know, quoting Francisco Albanaser using
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Speaker 8: her in terms of a standard by which to apply
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Speaker 8: international law in Lebanon is a completely ridiculous path for
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Speaker 8: a lecture at mccorr University or any universe in Australia
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Speaker 8: to be following.
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Speaker 3: Because obviously Israel's side of this whole conflict and the
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Speaker 3: conflict now with the Hesbela and the south of Leblon
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Speaker 3: is that they're defending themselves against missiles that have been
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Speaker 3: fined from Hesbelo, against threats that have been made from Hesbela.
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Speaker 6: So how would you have liked to see this more
43:21
Speaker 6: fairly presented?
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Speaker 8: Well, first of all, it's important to understand that Israel
43:26
Speaker 8: is facing a war on many fronts right now, and
43:29
Speaker 8: that has been confusing and it is being confused, and
43:33
Speaker 8: I think that's done intentionally. We can look at Gaza,
43:36
Speaker 8: we can look at Iran, we can look at Lebanon,
43:39
Speaker 8: and the average student in the class is sitting there
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Speaker 8: being taught by someone who is a teacher as a mentor,
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Speaker 8: is somebody with academic qualifications, and they accept what they learn.
43:52
Speaker 8: My biggest issue it needs to stop. There needs to
43:54
Speaker 8: be balanced. There's no counter to that narrative. So within
43:58
Speaker 8: that framework, yes, you can hear students on the recording
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Speaker 8: asking questions and debating, but there's no counter to what
44:05
Speaker 8: Professor Baya or sorry, Associate Professor Bayas has offered. And
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Speaker 8: that's my biggest concern. In a class at a university
44:14
Speaker 8: on Middle Eastern politics, which certainly over the last few
44:17
Speaker 8: years has been a very inflammatory area to go to,
44:21
Speaker 8: especially with young minds, I think it was wholly irresponsible
44:25
Speaker 8: of the professor to go down this path without context
44:28
Speaker 8: and with that balance.
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Speaker 3: Well, we've seen how the rise of anti Semitism and
44:32
Speaker 3: anti Israel rhetoric and anti Zionism as it's often cloaked
44:37
Speaker 3: as has what that's led to in Australia. I'm not
44:42
Speaker 3: calling this academic anti semitic or that what she did
44:46
Speaker 3: as anti semitism, But I think it contributes to an
44:49
Speaker 3: environment in which Jewish students can feel unsafe at university.
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Speaker 8: Well, that's it exactly, And this is my biggest concern.
44:57
Speaker 8: As an organization. We support, we educate, and we work
45:01
Speaker 8: with students, We work at the university, we work at
45:03
Speaker 8: the community in education and challenging the narrative. Now, my
45:08
Speaker 8: concern is the students sitting in that class. So the
45:11
Speaker 8: number of Jewish kids sitting there, and there's kids who
45:13
Speaker 8: aren't Jewish who are also sitting there who maybe don't agree,
45:17
Speaker 8: But what is their level of comfort in countering that narrative?
45:22
Speaker 8: Do they have a voice? Are they comfortable in doing so?
45:26
Speaker 8: And that's something that I find. Unfortunately, it's not unique
45:29
Speaker 8: across most of the campuses certainly that we've dealt with,
45:33
Speaker 8: and we are across the country. There is very little
45:36
Speaker 8: pushback from the students and there's a reason for that.
45:39
Speaker 8: I can't explain every student's reason, but I think one
45:42
Speaker 8: of the biggest reasons is not that they don't know
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Speaker 8: another alternative narrative, is that they don't feel comfortable at
45:50
Speaker 8: the end of the day, they're outstanding young people, but
45:53
Speaker 8: they're very young people, and they're in a framework that
45:57
Speaker 8: maybe they feel isn't appropriate to make complaints, that it's
46:01
Speaker 8: not going to be beneficial to them.
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Speaker 3: Well, frankly, they see people like Runda abdelf Phata and
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Speaker 3: the statement she's made, and the university investigated her and
46:10
Speaker 3: ultimately found no wrongdoing or they couldn't do anything about her.
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Speaker 3: So you can't blame these students. And I know that
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Speaker 3: Associate Professor Bayer. We reached out to her and gave
46:21
Speaker 3: her a chance to respond. We haven't her back. She
46:24
Speaker 3: has been made redundant, but it's not good enough that
46:26
Speaker 3: she'll just be leaving the university anyway at some point
46:30
Speaker 3: later this year in your.
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Speaker 8: View, Yeah, And I have concerns about redundancy. And I'm
46:35
Speaker 8: not saying this is what Professor Bayer is doing, but
46:39
Speaker 8: when somebody has has been made redundant, my concern is, well,
46:47
Speaker 8: I can appeal this and maybe you get my job back,
46:49
Speaker 8: or you know what, I'm just going to do what
46:51
Speaker 8: I want. And that's well, it appear she is doing
46:54
Speaker 8: what she wants. But that's a great concern for students
46:58
Speaker 8: on campus, is having somebody who knows when the end
47:02
Speaker 8: is and maybe they'll just ruffle some feathers until that time.
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Speaker 6: Well, we'll see.
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Speaker 3: She has made other anti Israel comments before, I think,
47:11
Speaker 3: before her redundancy. Anyway, Now, your organization filed one of
47:14
Speaker 3: the first submissions to the Royal Commission in which you
47:17
Speaker 3: suggested a number of recommendations in the education space and
47:22
Speaker 3: for universities. But you also made this suggestion that Australia
47:26
Speaker 3: should consider military protection of Jewish sites, including at schools
47:30
Speaker 3: and synagogues. That is a big step, having soldiers outside
47:34
Speaker 3: these sites. Why do you think that could be necessary.
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Speaker 8: I think it's a huge step and it's probably not
47:39
Speaker 8: one that most Australians are comfortable with. Certainly, I myself,
47:43
Speaker 8: I think that's a great loss for our society that
47:45
Speaker 8: we see armed soldiers on the streets outside Jewish institutions.
47:51
Speaker 8: The reality is we already have armed police and private
47:54
Speaker 8: security doing that job. Now, you could argue that the
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Speaker 8: army is not that is not the remit of the army,
48:03
Speaker 8: but certainly that is the purpose of the Royal Commission
48:06
Speaker 8: is to ask serious questions, to find out comes to
48:10
Speaker 8: what the current problem is. The reason I raise that
48:13
Speaker 8: is an example directly I took from overseas from Europe
48:16
Speaker 8: where in Belgium, Italy and France and others, they started
48:20
Speaker 8: to use military who are trained specifically for that form
48:23
Speaker 8: of protection. To ask our police, who are already taxed
48:27
Speaker 8: with an enormous workload, to go and stand outside our
48:31
Speaker 8: institutions to guard our kids. Thank you for them for
48:33
Speaker 8: doing that, but the truth is that is not what
48:36
Speaker 8: our police are to do. Our police are there to
48:38
Speaker 8: fight crime, to seek out criminals and to keep society civil.
48:43
Speaker 8: Looking at the army as an example, used overseas specifically
48:47
Speaker 8: trained operatives who can handle that form of force if, unfortunately,
48:53
Speaker 8: ever required.
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Speaker 3: It's just so sad that we even have to be
48:56
Speaker 3: considering that in this country, isn't it, And that it
48:58
Speaker 3: has become so normalized to have lease even or security
49:01
Speaker 3: outside these sites in the first place.
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Speaker 8: Absolutely, I don't know if you remember, but shortly after
49:05
Speaker 8: December fourteenth, going to major communal events and seeing police
49:10
Speaker 8: with automatic weapons machine guns, now that's something that you know,
49:15
Speaker 8: terrifies us as a society. Have we gotten here? And
49:18
Speaker 8: unfortunately my recommendation to the Royal Commission is based on
49:23
Speaker 8: what has worked overseas should it be something we should
49:26
Speaker 8: be looking at. Unfortunately, I think it is very quickly.
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Speaker 3: Donald Trump is in negotiations with a run at the
49:35
Speaker 3: end of the ceasefire is now going to be Thursday morning,
49:39
Speaker 3: our time. What do you hope will happen out of this?
49:42
Speaker 3: As someone who advocates for against anti Semitism, against for.
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Speaker 8: Israel, Yeah, so I will say that we're a non
49:50
Speaker 8: political organization. That's very hard to say because everyone's political.
49:53
Speaker 8: But we're biparty.
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Speaker 6: You don't get money from Israel either, No.
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Speaker 8: Absolutely not, no, absolutely not, Nor do we send money
49:59
Speaker 8: to Israel. All of our work here we're in Australian
50:02
Speaker 8: entity and all of our work here is for the
50:04
Speaker 8: Australian community. I would say ceasefire. If the ceasefire leads
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Speaker 8: to peace, that is the ultimate goal. I don't have
50:13
Speaker 8: a lot of faith in Iran. I don't believe anybody does.
50:16
Speaker 8: I can't see a ceasefire being upheld as a path
50:19
Speaker 8: to peace. Unfortunately. I think there is a lot more
50:22
Speaker 8: to come with regards to Iran in this war, as
50:25
Speaker 8: unfortunate as that is. But if it leads to an
50:29
Speaker 8: outcome that delivers peace to Israel and the region, that's
50:34
Speaker 8: a good thing. It's a good thing, and I hope
50:36
Speaker 8: President Trump is somebody.
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Speaker 3: Who can deliver that and it could mean less attacks
50:39
Speaker 3: here on Australia too, on our Jewish community, which is
50:42
Speaker 3: ultimately what we want.
50:43
Speaker 6: That's we're out of time. Michael Ganta, thank you so
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Speaker 6: much for coming in and that is it for me. Tonight.
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Speaker 6: Up next is Newsnight, good Night.