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Jags A.M. Podcast Ep. 156 | Setting the Tone, CB Depth & More in Preseason Week 2 · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

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Speaker 1: Welcome in jazz A. I'm on Tainanie Stevens, Katy Shadwick
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Speaker 1: in for us and for Brian Sexton. John osers with
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Speaker 1: me as well to continue your training camp coverage of
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Speaker 1: Jaguars finally playing a preseason game last week and they're
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Speaker 1: working towards their second one against the Saints this weekend.
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Speaker 2: Let's start out with some of our big things brought
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Speaker 2: to you by g e H.
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Speaker 1: Government Employees Health Association benefits for federal employees and retirees.
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Speaker 1: So we're gonna start out with mental Obviously, there were
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Speaker 1: a lot of mental mistakes in their first preseason matchup
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Speaker 1: against the Steelers, and that's something Liam Cohen really focused
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Speaker 1: on practice at London.
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Speaker 3: Alignment assignment, getting our cleats in the ground when.
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Speaker 4: We have a call.
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Speaker 3: On both sides of the ball, you know, fundamentals. We
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Speaker 3: did a forty play alignment assignment period of just getting
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Speaker 3: the call, getting our cleats in the ground, making loud
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Speaker 3: guttural communication, getting the calls in quickly. That was what
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Speaker 3: we were really kind of focusing on from an emphasis standpoint. Obviously,
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Speaker 3: some of these guys are gonna be a little bit soler.
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Speaker 3: That played a lot of snaps in the game, so
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Speaker 3: we were trying to really hone in on the mind
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Speaker 3: got conditioning out of it kind of as well. So
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Speaker 3: that was kind of the thought of today as your
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Speaker 3: head coach.
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Speaker 1: At practice on Monday got at that time, z Ap.
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Speaker 1: They went really mentally focused. They weren't they didn't have
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Speaker 1: all their pads on Monday. They were really trying to get,
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Speaker 1: you know, some of the stuff that you can avoid
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Speaker 1: out of the way and just alignments issues like that.
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Speaker 1: That was mainly the focus for the Monday.
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Speaker 5: It was.
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Speaker 6: And you know, I'll use emojis a lot when I
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Speaker 6: text people, John, I know it certainly does.
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Speaker 5: Kyle, you probably do too. You never want to.
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Speaker 4: See this struggle on the field on.
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Speaker 6: Defil So it felt like there was a lot of
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Speaker 6: what's going on on the field on defense, and that
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Speaker 6: was the whole focus on money. All right, take the
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Speaker 6: pads off, let's slow things down a little bit, and
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Speaker 6: you gotta nip that in the bud right now, because
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Speaker 6: that can fester and grow into miscommunication once the regular
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Speaker 6: season gets here. John, and I think it was really
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Speaker 6: smart for Liam Cohen to just settle it down a
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Speaker 6: little bit and get refocused.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, I thought he had a little bit of a
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Speaker 7: tone on Monday of Okay, we can get lined up.
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Speaker 7: We're gonna line up, and we're gonna line up again.
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Speaker 7: We're gonna line up again until you guys get it right.
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Speaker 7: And that may be a little extreme, but I thought
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Speaker 7: it had a feel of that.
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Speaker 4: You know.
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Speaker 7: The the cleats in the ground was something that Anthony
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Speaker 7: Campanelli talked about as well. If it didn't happen, then
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Speaker 7: they're gonna make darn sure it does happen. So I
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Speaker 7: thought it was interesting that, you know, I really like
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Speaker 7: how Liam Cohen is approaching his availability with the media,
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Speaker 7: meaning he's very transparent. I think it shows you he's
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Speaker 7: probably that way with the players, and if he sees
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Speaker 7: something needs to be addressed, he's going to address it.
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Speaker 2: Forgett to say absolutely, it's refreshing. I love it.
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Speaker 1: Second big thing physical now, just because they were more
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Speaker 1: mentally focused on Monday, on Tuesday, they went back to
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Speaker 1: physicality and probably one of the most physical practices we've
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Speaker 1: seen so far in training him getting after it.
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Speaker 2: We got our first fistfight a little bit as well.
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Speaker 1: But coach camp talked also yesterday about not wasting their
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Speaker 1: time and utilizing it.
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Speaker 8: The beautiful part of football is you always got to
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Speaker 8: understand times the enemy. You know, time is the enemy.
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Speaker 8: That's what you're working again, So every walk through, every meeting,
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Speaker 8: if you're not paying attention, if you're not dialed in
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Speaker 8: on all your reps, you know, your opportunities out there,
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Speaker 8: however many they may be, You've got to make them count,
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Speaker 8: you know. And I know that's like cliche. Everybody says, oh,
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Speaker 8: don't count the reps, make the reps count, but like
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Speaker 8: there's not enough time to not be locked into what
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Speaker 8: you're doing. So if you don't do that, you know,
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Speaker 8: sometimes you're learning on the fly. And I think we'll
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Speaker 8: learn from that last outing out there on the field.
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Speaker 1: John, I know a lot of us panicking maybe is
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Speaker 1: a strong way of saying it. They're worried about what
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Speaker 1: they saw on defense in that preseason game. We talked
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Speaker 1: a little bit about that earlier this week, but also
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Speaker 1: just taking advantage and utilizing the opportunity. They have a
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Speaker 1: camp to fix this right away and get back on track.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 7: Look, I mean I've been down playing a little bit,
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Speaker 7: uh the first series the other night, cause it was
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Speaker 7: one preseason game and it was in the in the
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Speaker 7: first preseason game and it was ten plays. But if
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Speaker 7: it's another preseason game and another preseason game at some point,
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Speaker 7: you can't say that it's just preseason if it if
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Speaker 7: it keeps happening. So I think there is some urgency.
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Speaker 7: There's a reason to panic about it. But from a
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Speaker 7: coaching standpoint, the reason you have preseason games is so
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Speaker 7: you can look at him and say, Okay, what it
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Speaker 7: needs to get fixed, Well, you know, get the cleats
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Speaker 7: in the ground, let's get going, Let's make sure they
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Speaker 7: understand the urgency of this, and uh.
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Speaker 4: Let's move on and get that fixed.
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Speaker 7: So I that's been the tone, and I think both
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Speaker 7: of these guys campany lanco and have uh expressed that.
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Speaker 7: I I'd be surprised if there's a whole lot of
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Speaker 7: this on Sunday.
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Speaker 5: All right, it's been a focus all week John, And yeah,
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Speaker 5: he's right.
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Speaker 6: Though the clock is ticking, there's only two more preseason
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Speaker 6: games left, most likely, and just a guess here, the
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Speaker 6: starters might not play in the last one since they
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Speaker 6: have the practice against the Dolphins, so time is limited,
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Speaker 6: especially for the guys they feel like are frontline starting
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Speaker 6: players to get their act together and be physical and
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Speaker 6: put good reps on tape. So it's coming quick week
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Speaker 6: ones right around the corner, sure is.
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Speaker 1: Let's do our final big thing, which is depth. Tyson Campbell, cornerback,
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Speaker 1: has not practiced. He did not practice on Monday, did
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Speaker 1: not practice on Tuesday. He's dealing with an injury that
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Speaker 1: hasn't been disclosed at this point.
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Speaker 2: But how concerned are you about the secondary at this point?
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Speaker 4: JP?
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Speaker 1: Obviously Montereg Brown is going to miss the rest of
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Speaker 1: training camp he has an injury. At Travis Hunter obviously
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Speaker 1: plays on both sides of the ball. We haven't seen
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Speaker 1: him play every single down on defense, so is that
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Speaker 1: something we could see more of him on defense now
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Speaker 1: because of the need.
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Speaker 6: It seems like that Caleb Bransaw too has been out
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Speaker 6: a little bit as well, the rookie that they liked
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Speaker 6: they were going to count on a little bit at
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Speaker 6: some point on the in the secondary.
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Speaker 5: But yeah, earlier in the week we.
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Speaker 6: Saw Travis Hunter play all defense. That was back on Tuesday,
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Speaker 6: So is that an everyday occurrence moving ahead?
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Speaker 5: Don't know about that.
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Speaker 6: Maybe it just worked out for Travis Hunter on that day,
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Speaker 6: but maybe he does I don't know.
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Speaker 5: If it'll, that's the question. John. I don't know if he'll.
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Speaker 6: Just what they're doing with Travis, because what they're doing
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Speaker 6: with Travis Hunter is its own thing no matter what
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Speaker 6: happens on either side of the ball at those positions.
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Speaker 6: I think they want to stay on track with Travis
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Speaker 6: as much as they can.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, I don't think he drafted Travis Hunter with the
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Speaker 7: idea that you were going to have an injury in
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Speaker 7: camp dictate his playing time because with Travis you're not
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Speaker 7: only worried about like what's happening today and in week one.
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Speaker 7: You want him to develop over the course of his
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Speaker 7: career or the short term. As far as depth your debt,
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Speaker 7: I mean, you are deep until you're not deep. Well,
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Speaker 7: I think they started out deep and now that they
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Speaker 7: have two guys out, they're not as deep.
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Speaker 4: So that's basic math.
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Speaker 7: But I do think you want to make sure Tyson
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Speaker 7: whatever is going on now doesn't linger, because he's had
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Speaker 7: linger stuff the last two years.
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Speaker 4: You don't want that.
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Speaker 7: I think they're okay for now in the secondary because
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Speaker 7: of Travis Hunter. But if there's one more to frontline
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Speaker 7: guy than their shallow.
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Speaker 2: They are pluses and minuses. We appreciate the math.
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Speaker 1: John, stay with this year on jags Am, We're gonna
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Speaker 1: go over some names you need to know from training
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Speaker 2: Welcome you back in today.
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Speaker 1: A little bit of a break from practice, but we've
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Speaker 1: been out there every single day, so I feel like
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Speaker 1: today we're gonna go over some names that you need
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Speaker 1: to know from practice. Some are new people, some are
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Speaker 1: people you already know but maybe in a different role,
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Speaker 1: or somebody that's just gonna be really important to this roster.
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Speaker 1: And we need to talk about it a little bit
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Speaker 1: because I feel like there's tons of new faces, new names.
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Speaker 1: This is gonna look a lot different than last year.
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Speaker 1: And if people aren't at training camp every day, which
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Speaker 1: most of you aren't, you do want to know some
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Speaker 1: of these people.
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Speaker 2: So John, when you're thinking.
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Speaker 1: About someone not necessarily new, but someone that might have
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Speaker 1: a different role this year.
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Speaker 4: Well there's a lot.
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Speaker 7: I mean I almost talked about Dewey wingerd here because
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Speaker 7: I think he's going to be a really important member
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Speaker 7: of the secondary and maybe people will tend to write
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Speaker 7: him off. But I went with Travis etn who is
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Speaker 7: also not new. But you know, in March and April,
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Speaker 7: I'm getting questions all the time about trading him, and
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Speaker 7: it was almost like people wanted to make him an
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Speaker 7: afterthought because all of a sudden, he's a back coming up.
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Speaker 4: On year five.
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Speaker 7: He's not an afterthought. He's He's going to be very
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Speaker 7: important in this offense. And I have gotten the impression
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Speaker 7: that every time the coaches see him on the field,
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Speaker 7: they like him a little more. And whatever preconceived notion
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Speaker 7: there may have been about what he was or wasn't,
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Speaker 7: he fits what they're trying to do. And in this
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Speaker 7: in this Liham Cohen offense that emphasizes back, emphasizes versatility,
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Speaker 7: emphasizes being able to catch the ball out of the backfield. Uh.
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Speaker 7: You know, Travis has been good around here, really good.
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Speaker 7: I don't know if he's gonna match his career high rushing,
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Speaker 7: but I'm betting he's going to match his career high
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Speaker 7: in terms of being important to.
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Speaker 4: The offense and being really really good.
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Speaker 7: I think he's gonna have a really good year and
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Speaker 7: set himself up for a very interesting off season next year,
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Speaker 7: wherever he may be.
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Speaker 2: Next that's a good point.
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Speaker 1: This is the final year for his rookie deal, so
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Speaker 1: he'll be up for a new contract, whether here or not.
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Speaker 1: So you have to imagine that'll be a motivating fact.
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Speaker 5: We'll see. I mean, the fans are trying to play trade.
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Speaker 4: Machine John yesterday.
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Speaker 2: Yesterday was the world.
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Speaker 5: He's not going anywhere.
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Speaker 2: Not that I've heard, is he No?
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Speaker 4: No, I'd be.
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Speaker 7: Right now if I'm gonna say he's not gonna be
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Speaker 7: a trade anywhere on this roster, maybe in running back.
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Speaker 7: Who knows Traves etn I think they're a lesser team
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Speaker 7: without him right now?
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Speaker 1: I agree, Who is someone a name you need to know?
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Speaker 2: According to JP, I was.
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Speaker 6: Thinking about Parker Washington because he was fresh on my
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Speaker 6: mind after practice on Tuesday where he was all over
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Speaker 6: the field, and you know, I think he kind of
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Speaker 6: got lost in the headlines of the offseason with Travis
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Speaker 6: Hunter and Deonny Browner. But outside, I just wanted to
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Speaker 6: go defense. And we've seen Jordan Lewis this training camp.
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Speaker 6: Come in here and really I think take over the
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Speaker 6: attitude of the back end of this defense. Free agent addition,
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Speaker 6: longtime Dallas cowboy was probably lost in some of the
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Speaker 6: outside of the spotlight in Dallas a little bit. There's
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Speaker 6: you know, a lot of headliners down there, but a
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Speaker 6: really good nickel cornerback and he's coming here and proving it.
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Speaker 6: I think in training camp so far, with his ability
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Speaker 6: to get the hands on the football. Almost every day
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Speaker 6: he's got his hands on it somehow, whether it's a
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Speaker 6: pass deflection or an interception or a vocal leadership moment.
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Speaker 6: I mean, he's all over the place on defense. But
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Speaker 6: especially since we talked about earlier, it's a little thin
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Speaker 6: right now in the secondary. Some injuries are popping up.
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Speaker 6: He's a guy you're really gonna rely on in Jordan Lewis.
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Speaker 6: And that's why, uh, that's the name.
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Speaker 5: I think.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, I think people tend to always wanna focus on
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Speaker 7: additions as a reason the team can get better.
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Speaker 4: Guys on the roster can get better too.
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Speaker 7: I think guys like Trayvon Uh, I think there's guys
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Speaker 7: in this roster are gonna make a big jump. I
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Speaker 7: he even betjmight. But if you're looking for outside editions
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Speaker 7: that are gonna make this team better.
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Speaker 4: Jordan Lewis is right in there.
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Speaker 7: Jordan Lewis, Yame Brown, those two guys tangible ways this
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Speaker 7: is gonna look different.
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Speaker 4: Uh.
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Speaker 7: I don't know about pro bol, I don't know about
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Speaker 7: any of that, but I think Jordan Lewis is a
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Speaker 7: guy who might be the best defensive back on this
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Speaker 7: team this year.
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Speaker 2: I think so.
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Speaker 1: Obviously, also bring in he's a veteran, he's been in
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Speaker 1: the league for eight years. He brings in that presence, presence,
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Speaker 1: and a little bit of what I would say is
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Speaker 1: it wasn't a lack of leadership, but I felt like
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Speaker 1: the communication on defense last year was certainly lacking, and
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Speaker 1: it felt like there wasn't always someone at every level
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Speaker 1: that could kind of pull it together. And he feels
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Speaker 1: like that guy in the defensive back room or in
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Speaker 1: that area of the field that can pull things together sometimes.
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Speaker 7: Guys, you know, I'm not a big free agency guy.
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Speaker 7: I don't necessarily think that you automatically get better through
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Speaker 7: that because it's hard to fit and you don't know
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Speaker 7: what you're getting a lot of times, Jordan Lewis is
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Speaker 7: a guy that when you unwrap the present, you're fired
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Speaker 7: up about it. Yeah, and then you know, there's always
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Speaker 7: that president. You put him in the tree, thank you
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Speaker 7: forget about. He's the one you still like two or
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Speaker 7: three months later because he's exactly what you want. He's
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Speaker 7: a pro, he knows how to prepare, he fits, he's
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Speaker 7: gonna make plays. He's not over the hill. I think
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Speaker 7: it's gonna be a great free decign.
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Speaker 6: And he's not afraid to mix it up with the
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Speaker 6: other team occasionally too if he needs to. You know,
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Speaker 6: if he backs it up with a good play, that's
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Speaker 6: the perfect scenario. But when it matters, he's the guy
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Speaker 6: that can, I think, be vocal for this football team
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Speaker 6: and for this defense.
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Speaker 2: That's at the tone we love that I went defense
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Speaker 2: as well.
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Speaker 1: Mine is Mason Skis because we haven't seen him on
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Speaker 1: the field yet. He started the we saw him an Ota,
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Speaker 1: we saw him in those workouts looking good, getting involved
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Speaker 1: in the off season program, but he hasn't been on
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Speaker 1: the field yet. And I think that's a group that
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Speaker 1: we looked at maybe in the off season and said
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Speaker 1: we really need to see an improvement from there, and
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Speaker 1: it wasn't a bunch of additions.
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Speaker 2: So it's going to have to come within.
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Speaker 1: Eric Arms said obviously moving back to his natural position
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Speaker 1: defensive tackle, but he hasn't been on the field recently either,
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Speaker 1: so that makes even more pressure on Mason Sith when
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Speaker 1: he comes back. I would love to see him before
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Speaker 1: the end of the training camp. I don't want to
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Speaker 1: go in and not have seen him yet. But for me,
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Speaker 1: that's a name to keep an eye on, because if
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Speaker 1: he's not back yet and Eric Armstead's also dealing with
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Speaker 1: an injury, I'm now concerned about that position group.
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Speaker 4: A little bit.
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Speaker 6: I mean, it feels like to me that he was
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Speaker 6: one of the talks of the off season, like they
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Speaker 6: liked him a lot in what he was doing in
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Speaker 6: the off season program.
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Speaker 5: And then now the injury has popped up.
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Speaker 6: I could foresee it though maybe in the next week
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Speaker 6: or so him trying to get back out there. He
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Speaker 6: would see him on the side right now, and with
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Speaker 6: Armstead off to the side.
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Speaker 5: Also, I mean, I'm doing this again, like what.
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Speaker 6: Happens at the if it's a tackle at these positions,
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Speaker 6: if these guys aren't ready, it's a weakness up front
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Speaker 6: right now, uh, in terms of depth.
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Speaker 5: But let's go play it out and see what happens. John,
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Speaker 5: But I mean he's a guy you gotta have.
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Speaker 6: You counted on him. They drafted him high previous regime.
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Speaker 6: Did gotta see him on the field.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, I think they can be okay for a couple
14:18
Speaker 7: of weeks with Lacey.
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Speaker 4: Devon.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, the new free agent sign that they just brought
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Speaker 7: in and I'm drawing a blank. But they've got some
14:27
Speaker 7: pieces there and you can get by it for a
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Speaker 7: couple of weeks. But if they're gonna be strong on
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Speaker 7: the interior, to me, Mason Smith is the one defensive
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Speaker 7: interior guy who has a chance to be a star.
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Speaker 4: Uh.
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Speaker 7: I'm not sure Armstead can be a star anymore. I
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Speaker 7: think he can be solid, but he's he's in his
14:45
Speaker 7: eleventh year. I don't know if there's gonna be an
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Speaker 7: ascension there. Mason Smith has the ability to be a star.
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Speaker 7: There's certain things on this team you think, okay, they
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Speaker 7: can be special and really get better fast if this happens.
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Speaker 7: If the receiver's core is as good as we think, uh,
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Speaker 7: and it it, Mason Smith makes the interior strong and
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Speaker 7: special instead of just Ugh. Then all of a sudden
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Speaker 7: that can mean being a lot better in a hurry.
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Speaker 7: So he's important coming.
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Speaker 1: Up after the break, we're gonna talk specifically about the
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Speaker 1: edge rushers on the team and tell you what's on
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Speaker 1: the roster right now.
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Speaker 9: It takes us just coming in and being ourselves every day,
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Speaker 9: being true to ourselves. As far as we obviously know
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Speaker 9: it's a physical sport. We all want to come up
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Speaker 9: here here every physical but at the end of the day,
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Speaker 9: it's either you're gonna win or you're gonna lose, and
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Speaker 9: don't nobody want to lose. So coming there with that mindset,
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Speaker 9: I feel like as far as with our defensive perspective,
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Speaker 9: we want to be physical, want to stop and run,
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Speaker 9: and that's our main focus.
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Speaker 2: Wow, that's crazy.
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Speaker 1: But just in terms of the defense, obviously we talked
16:07
Speaker 1: a little bit about the defensive line just before the break,
16:09
Speaker 1: but the edge rushers, you got Josh Heindalen you've got Trayvon,
16:12
Speaker 1: you feel good about that. But as we mentioned, I
16:14
Speaker 1: feel like some about the interior. Will will that affect
16:18
Speaker 1: how many sacks they have?
16:19
Speaker 4: Will that?
16:19
Speaker 2: How much will that affect it?
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Speaker 5: I mean, I think that usually does.
16:23
Speaker 6: If we don't have a push in the middle, makes
16:25
Speaker 6: it that much tougher for the edge guys to get
16:27
Speaker 6: home when the quarterback and just sit there in the.
16:29
Speaker 5: Pocket might have to move.
16:30
Speaker 6: So I think it all runs in tandem. However, they'll
16:33
Speaker 6: tell you they need to do their own work and
16:35
Speaker 6: get there too. And even though there have been issues
16:39
Speaker 6: at times in the interior, Trayvon Walker still gott in
16:42
Speaker 6: his ten at least the last couple of years, so
16:45
Speaker 6: I think the arro continues to rise for him.
16:48
Speaker 5: Josh Hein Allen is always motivated to step up his
16:52
Speaker 5: game on the other side.
16:53
Speaker 6: And then you add in Ogba, veteran guy who's been
16:56
Speaker 6: around the league for a minute, and the Duan Smooth
16:59
Speaker 6: is back in play at defensive end, and you've got
17:02
Speaker 6: some rotational guys there John behind these two starters.
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Speaker 7: I'm a big believer that, look, you have to have
17:09
Speaker 7: good pass rushers. You have to have very good pass
17:11
Speaker 7: rus in the NFL. But I think the biggest factor
17:16
Speaker 7: in pass rush that gets overlooked are you getting into
17:20
Speaker 7: situations where you know the other team's gonna pass because
17:24
Speaker 7: how many how many sacks do you get on second three?
17:26
Speaker 4: Right?
17:27
Speaker 7: So you've got to get in those distant situations and
17:30
Speaker 7: you've gotta have leads. So I think Trayvon and Josh
17:33
Speaker 7: can both be thirteen fourteen SAT guys if they're you know,
17:39
Speaker 7: late game situations, if they're leading, and if they get
17:42
Speaker 7: a lot pass rush opportunities.
17:43
Speaker 4: So I think they're better. With the depth on the edge,
17:46
Speaker 4: they're better.
17:47
Speaker 7: That's why I think the Mason Smith the interior the
17:49
Speaker 7: line is so important. You've got to be in third
17:53
Speaker 7: and eight, second and nine situations like that or the
17:56
Speaker 7: best pass rushers aren't gonna get ten sacks, you know,
17:59
Speaker 7: if you're not in that, And.
18:00
Speaker 6: That means we'll always tell you, hey, we got to
18:02
Speaker 6: earn the right to go rush the pastor that means
18:04
Speaker 6: stop the run and get in those situations in those
18:07
Speaker 6: early downs to make it third of eight because they've
18:10
Speaker 6: stopped the run twice.
18:11
Speaker 5: You don't do that, you really don't have a shot. Yeah.
18:14
Speaker 7: Hall of Famer Dwight Herney told me once he had
18:16
Speaker 7: his best year rushing the passer on a year where
18:18
Speaker 7: he had three and a half sacks.
18:20
Speaker 4: I said, how in the world could that be.
18:21
Speaker 7: It was a year where the Colts couldn't stop the
18:23
Speaker 7: run and he got in very few pass rushing situations.
18:26
Speaker 7: He was coming off the ball better, etcetera, etcetera, doing
18:28
Speaker 7: what he thought he did right better, didn't have opportunities,
18:31
Speaker 7: So they've got to get That's why, even though fans
18:37
Speaker 7: think it's a passing league, it is a passing league,
18:39
Speaker 7: it's a running league if you can't stop the darn run.
18:42
Speaker 1: John, I feel like one of our favorite pastimes when
18:44
Speaker 1: we sit next to each other in the press box
18:46
Speaker 1: when we travel on the road is always to see
18:49
Speaker 1: how teams are going to run the complete opposite way
18:51
Speaker 1: of whatever Trayvon's on, because I feel like his rushing defense,
18:55
Speaker 1: at least run defense, is one of his, maybe not
18:58
Speaker 1: as heralded, highlights of his game.
18:59
Speaker 4: I think it's.
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Speaker 7: He's great there and that's the thing that you can't
19:06
Speaker 7: take away from him, meaning, no matter what, he's gonna
19:09
Speaker 7: be good at that. Sack numbers sometimes rise and fall
19:12
Speaker 7: based on circumstance, being a man against the run is
19:18
Speaker 7: always there and the team can always rely on that.
19:22
Speaker 7: It's why he's a very safe player in terms of Okay,
19:27
Speaker 7: why are they gonna be good? Is he gonna be good?
19:30
Speaker 7: He's always gonna be big against the run JP because
19:34
Speaker 7: he's so strong as sets the edge so well well.
19:35
Speaker 5: Certain the edge, that's what it's all about.
19:37
Speaker 6: And he's so stout and strong and long arms and
19:42
Speaker 6: everything that goes into that process. And it's only gotten
19:46
Speaker 6: better over time for him too. If that's if that's
19:48
Speaker 6: the floor, you're doing pretty good and you can build
19:51
Speaker 6: everything else around that with Trayvon, And it's felt like
19:53
Speaker 6: he's it feels like he's done that so far.
19:55
Speaker 7: Yeah, there were three or four years around here where
19:58
Speaker 7: like when you'd be watching the game, if there was
20:00
Speaker 7: a defensive player down and it was forty one, he
20:04
Speaker 7: tow to hold your breath and please don't let it
20:07
Speaker 7: be forty one. It's forty four for me now and
20:12
Speaker 7: forty one, but I don't want to see forty four
20:14
Speaker 7: go down because overlook him until he's not there, and
20:18
Speaker 7: then I think fans are really is how important.
20:20
Speaker 6: And I like the fact too that he just goes
20:22
Speaker 6: about his business. He doesn't worry anymore about the draft stuff.
20:25
Speaker 6: It feels like he says he doesn't. At least, he
20:28
Speaker 6: just goes and plays his game. He's not worried about
20:30
Speaker 6: Hutchinson and Detroit and all those things when they were
20:32
Speaker 6: coming out. He's made his own career and he does
20:36
Speaker 6: this thing, and he plays in this defense where he
20:38
Speaker 6: needs to, and I think it's admirable. Actually, he doesn't
20:42
Speaker 6: worry about all the noise outside. He just goes and works.
20:45
Speaker 2: I believe him when he says it. I do.
20:48
Speaker 1: We talked a little bit about some of the additions
20:50
Speaker 1: in the offseason, obviously one Emmanuel Agua coming in, a
20:53
Speaker 1: veteran Dwan Smoot coming back to town.
20:56
Speaker 2: Is that enough depth for you?
20:57
Speaker 7: How do you feel about edge is four nine well
21:01
Speaker 7: Gard Deck I think can be a little bit of
21:03
Speaker 7: a factor there too. They've got some options that we
21:09
Speaker 7: don't know out of that bunch what the role is
21:11
Speaker 7: gonna be yet, or even who's gonna be on the
21:13
Speaker 7: roster out of that bunch, But there's certainly more options,
21:15
Speaker 7: and you feel like there's least guys who have done it. Look,
21:20
Speaker 7: you'd always like more. You'd like to have a third
21:23
Speaker 7: and fourth guy who can get ten sacks. I don't
21:25
Speaker 7: know if you're gonna have that, but it does feel
21:28
Speaker 7: like there are more guys who can make an impact,
21:31
Speaker 7: certainly smooth as a guy. I think you've got two
21:35
Speaker 7: guys who can affect it no matter what, and then
21:37
Speaker 7: you've got three more where if you get decent coverage,
21:41
Speaker 7: who may need one step more than the other two.
21:44
Speaker 7: But I think it's gonna be a better pass rush
21:45
Speaker 7: it was last year, as long as they're in circumstances
21:48
Speaker 7: where they can show it.
21:49
Speaker 6: Yeah, And how long is Ogba have been in the
21:51
Speaker 6: league now? A little bit like he's been around nine
21:54
Speaker 6: I think, yeah, a long time, So he's got a
21:56
Speaker 6: lot of time on task here. If he's your rotational guy,
22:00
Speaker 6: and if he has gas left in the tank, I
22:03
Speaker 6: think you're a pretty good shit.
22:04
Speaker 2: It'll be your ten for him.
22:05
Speaker 1: So I feel like, yeah, overall, I'm not overly stressed
22:08
Speaker 1: about this group, which is exciting because I feel like
22:11
Speaker 1: usually when we're going to the season, we're like, where's
22:12
Speaker 1: what's going on?
22:13
Speaker 2: Like who's backing them up?
22:14
Speaker 1: But I feel a little bit better about this forsom
22:16
Speaker 1: than I have in the past, So definitely something to
22:18
Speaker 1: look forward to once the regular season starts and see
22:20
Speaker 1: what the pattern of.
22:22
Speaker 2: Switching in and out is going to be.
22:23
Speaker 1: I imagine it'll be different than last year, so that's always
22:26
Speaker 1: a plus as well.
22:26
Speaker 5: No hockey line changes this year.
22:28
Speaker 1: I know Pete doesn't get to talk about the hockey
22:30
Speaker 1: line changes any risk.
22:31
Speaker 5: On Monday, just loved the line changes.
22:33
Speaker 1: No more, I don't think, say but let's we'll tell
22:35
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22:37
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22:54
Speaker 8: I think it means guys that usually compete. You don't
22:57
Speaker 8: want guys fighting, you know, all day and reckon the practice.
22:59
Speaker 8: There's not time for that. But sometimes tempers flare, and
23:03
Speaker 8: usually that means there's a motion out there. And I
23:06
Speaker 8: don't think that's a necessarily a bad thing. We don't
23:08
Speaker 8: want to fight each other all practice, but the guys
23:10
Speaker 8: are getting heated and competing.
23:12
Speaker 5: I think that's that's a good thing.
23:14
Speaker 1: And he that practice we saw our first little fight
23:17
Speaker 1: of training.
23:18
Speaker 5: It was like the Notre Dame logo.
23:21
Speaker 2: Those guys there were squares in helmets.
23:24
Speaker 6: Which in helmets, which is the whole different ballpark altogether.
23:28
Speaker 6: But he's right though, I mean, a little intensity is
23:30
Speaker 6: not a bad thing. They haven't really had it spill
23:33
Speaker 6: over yet into something like this, and it was quickly
23:36
Speaker 6: broken up. Nobody broke a hand or a face, so
23:39
Speaker 6: all's well.
23:40
Speaker 7: Most coaches will tell you it's really a waste of
23:43
Speaker 7: time to do it. But you don't get to upset
23:46
Speaker 7: as long as it doesn't spill in. As long as
23:48
Speaker 7: you're not making sports enter with it, it's fun.
23:50
Speaker 1: Everybody stayed at practice today, so all worked itself out.
23:53
Speaker 2: No media members got in a fight to fight, you.
23:57
Speaker 5: Know what, Well, entire that's.
24:02
Speaker 7: Usually the problem, so you know it'll be fighting with
24:07
Speaker 7: the players.
24:09
Speaker 1: We got a scrimmage tomorrow. What are you guys hoping
24:11
Speaker 1: to see out there? I'm just hoping for some more competition.
24:14
Speaker 1: I think they'll run it similar to what we saw
24:16
Speaker 1: in the stadium.
24:16
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's interesting. I'm not sure I remember too scrimmages
24:20
Speaker 7: around here that have been called that.
24:22
Speaker 4: You know, you know, you have live periods.
24:26
Speaker 7: I think that might be something I said for a
24:28
Speaker 7: couple of years since they started going to this to
24:32
Speaker 7: the third preseason game. As you get more preseason opportunities
24:36
Speaker 7: taken away, uh you need something to simulate real game action,
24:41
Speaker 7: especially when you're in the first year of a coach.
24:43
Speaker 7: And uh now that Liam needs the reps, but the
24:46
Speaker 7: team they need to see what this looks like for real.
24:49
Speaker 4: Uh So it's interesting.
24:51
Speaker 7: I'm looking for, you know, contact and for efficiency from
24:57
Speaker 7: the quarterback.
24:57
Speaker 4: I think would be the two things.
24:59
Speaker 6: Alignment, assignment, communication. Those have been the buzzwords this week
25:03
Speaker 6: for Liam Cohen. They had an earlier in the week,
25:06
Speaker 6: had the practice where they just had periods focusing on that.
25:10
Speaker 6: Let's see that, all right, turn it up, pads are
25:12
Speaker 6: back on to scrimmage.
25:14
Speaker 5: Does that translate?
25:16
Speaker 6: I think that's a huge question mark for Liam Cohen
25:18
Speaker 6: and the coaching staff and the players.
25:19
Speaker 5: They answer on tomorrow.
25:22
Speaker 1: Mistake free football very important. We will be back tomorrow
25:25
Speaker 1: for our final episode of Jags Am this week, and
25:27
Speaker 1: we'll also talk a little bit about the Saints preseason
25:30
Speaker 1: game coming up this weekend.