Latest / Chuck in the Morning / Chuck & Buck 1-13 hour 3: Gene Steratore, Everett Fitzhugh and the coaching game of chess!

Transcript

Chuck & Buck 1-13 hour 3: Gene Steratore, Everett Fitzhugh and the coaching game of chess! · Chuck in the Morning

0:01
Speaker 1: It's time for Checking Bucks weekly visit with former NFL
0:04
Speaker 1: official gene Sterotur, brought to you by bmwclle. Looking for
0:08
Speaker 1: a new or used BMW or something else even, come
0:12
Speaker 1: check us out at bmwclle, conveniently located between I five
0:17
Speaker 1: and I ninety near the stadiums now with gene Sterotor.
0:20
Speaker 2: Here's Checking Buck.
0:22
Speaker 3: All right, eight o'clock hour here on this Tuesday, the
0:25
Speaker 3: thousand dollars Powerplay, by the way, is back. You're going
0:29
Speaker 3: to be looking for that keyword at the top of
0:31
Speaker 3: every hour for the rest of mankind's time on earth.
0:35
Speaker 3: Apparently today our keyword, or at least this hour's keyword,
0:40
Speaker 3: is going to be bank b A n K. Go
0:42
Speaker 3: ahead and enter that at where are we entering?
0:46
Speaker 2: That?
0:47
Speaker 3: Is that the sex line on the website?
0:49
Speaker 2: That's right? Okay?
0:50
Speaker 3: Now, I see at ninety three to three kjr dot
0:53
Speaker 3: com for your shot at one thousand dollars in cash
0:56
Speaker 3: bank at ninety three three kjr dot com or your
1:00
Speaker 3: shot at a thousand dollars in cash from the thousand
1:04
Speaker 3: dollars power play. All right, let's talk to gene Sterotor.
1:07
Speaker 3: I don't believe you're eligible for that one thousand dollars, Jean,
1:10
Speaker 3: sorry about it, a man.
1:12
Speaker 4: That's okay, Chuck, I'll wait till next week. I'll wait
1:16
Speaker 4: my turn.
1:18
Speaker 2: Yeah.
1:18
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're just gonna just gonna have to get Nance
1:21
Speaker 3: and Romo to pay for your lunches for the next year.
1:25
Speaker 3: That'll make up for that thousand dollars exactly.
1:29
Speaker 4: Yeah, we're living on a fixed then, come here, Chuck,
1:31
Speaker 4: one of the best we could do.
1:35
Speaker 5: All right.
1:35
Speaker 3: Well, we've got a lot of things to cover and
1:38
Speaker 3: I'm excited to dive into it. But obviously we got
1:41
Speaker 3: a big game coming up on Saturday. You at CBS
1:44
Speaker 3: will not be here. We've got Fox doing our broadcasts. Otherwise,
1:49
Speaker 3: maybe we could see you while you were in town.
1:53
Speaker 3: But I did want to ask you about the officiating
1:55
Speaker 3: crew that has been assigned to the seahawks Rams game.
2:00
Speaker 3: On Hussey and his crew, what kind of scouting report
2:02
Speaker 3: can you give on give us?
2:05
Speaker 4: Well, you know, Hussey has been around a good long time,
2:08
Speaker 4: so you you know, you've got a veteran referee there
2:10
Speaker 4: that has been in these situations in the past, which
2:13
Speaker 4: is always great crew wise, as you guys know, you
2:17
Speaker 4: know it's not Hussy's screw from the regular season. So
2:20
Speaker 4: we're moving into that divisional round now where it's the
2:23
Speaker 4: top tier of the three tiers of officials.
2:26
Speaker 2: That are assigned these games.
2:27
Speaker 4: And for the most part, again because of John's experience,
2:31
Speaker 4: I'm sure that he has been on cruise with you know,
2:34
Speaker 4: a handful of these officials for sure.
2:36
Speaker 6: Uh.
2:37
Speaker 4: And then it's that blending right now, and I you know,
2:40
Speaker 4: I really the intensity.
2:42
Speaker 2: Levels pickup check. You know, the game plays.
2:44
Speaker 4: Just a little bit different now, and I think the
2:49
Speaker 4: quicker that you can get this group together, start to
2:52
Speaker 4: break down tape, look at team matchups, look at individual matchups,
2:57
Speaker 4: and then understand you know, the environment that you going into.
3:02
Speaker 4: Things then hopefully fall in place and they continue. I
3:05
Speaker 4: think we've had a good opening in a postseason. You know,
3:08
Speaker 4: always a couple of plays here and there, but I
3:11
Speaker 4: thought overall, the officiating this last weekend, it's some great,
3:14
Speaker 4: great wild card football games. Hasn't been the story, you know,
3:19
Speaker 4: And that's always the goal, right is that we talk
3:22
Speaker 4: about the games, the matchups, and not the game impacting call.
3:26
Speaker 2: Or something like that that took place.
3:28
Speaker 4: So you've got to continue on this momentum and get
3:31
Speaker 4: through what's going to be I think an amazing divisional
3:34
Speaker 4: round now too.
3:35
Speaker 3: One other quick follow up, would you rather have your
3:37
Speaker 3: crew that you have symmetry with or do you like
3:41
Speaker 3: the all star crews at that time of the year.
3:44
Speaker 4: I think it's I think the all star cruise. I
3:46
Speaker 4: was always a proponent of that. You know, when you
3:48
Speaker 4: go into a regular season with one hundred and twenty
3:50
Speaker 4: plus officials that vary in their levels of experience, and
3:55
Speaker 4: hopefully the crews are put together in a way where
3:57
Speaker 4: some inexperienced officials are kind of working alongside of officials
4:02
Speaker 4: of more experienced There's a lot of training and mentoring
4:06
Speaker 4: that really does have to take place, you know, on
4:09
Speaker 4: the ground in real time, so you do spread that
4:12
Speaker 4: out a little bit.
4:12
Speaker 2: You want to be consistent as.
4:14
Speaker 4: You can around seventeen cruise, which there are in the
4:16
Speaker 4: regular season, But when you get to this spot, now,
4:19
Speaker 4: let's let's go to that top ten, fifteen to twenty percent.
4:23
Speaker 4: When you're working with officials that have that level of
4:27
Speaker 4: experience and are having those types of years, putting them
4:30
Speaker 4: together shouldn't be an issue, you know, I think it's
4:33
Speaker 4: the best way to handle this.
4:34
Speaker 2: You want to take the best of the best.
4:36
Speaker 4: Now because we know the losers go home now, you know.
4:40
Speaker 2: Yeah, Geen.
4:41
Speaker 7: I mean, obviously, as an official, you don't want to
4:44
Speaker 7: be on, you know, in the talking points the next
4:48
Speaker 7: week about a bad call that cost somebody their season,
4:51
Speaker 7: and in the playoffs it is you lose and you're done,
4:54
Speaker 7: or a bad non call that cost you your season.
4:57
Speaker 7: So I'm wondering if there is a concerted change or
5:01
Speaker 7: an effort to try to like maybe throw less, like
5:05
Speaker 7: let the players play, so to speak, because you do
5:07
Speaker 7: seem it does feel like there's certain things that maybe
5:10
Speaker 7: would have gotten flagged in Week three and they're not
5:13
Speaker 7: so much because it's kind of just you're letting the
5:15
Speaker 7: guys go out and play. So is there one of
5:17
Speaker 7: those Is there a change between the years, And do you,
5:20
Speaker 7: as the head official, do you go out there and
5:23
Speaker 7: kind of tell you guys, hey, let's let's not throw
5:25
Speaker 7: it unless we're one hundred percent positive.
5:28
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know what, Bucky, It's a great question, and
5:31
Speaker 4: it does feel that way. And I thought the irony
5:33
Speaker 4: of going into the postseason always was you did feel
5:37
Speaker 4: different on the field. It was like the fraternity of
5:40
Speaker 4: players during the regular season they were going to compete
5:43
Speaker 4: and be physical and all of the things that you
5:46
Speaker 4: would expect athletes to do at that level. But when
5:50
Speaker 4: you got to the postseason, it was almost like when
5:52
Speaker 4: you saw them even kind of talking to each other
5:54
Speaker 4: a little bit before the game. They may have played
5:57
Speaker 4: college together, been on a different team together, and they
6:00
Speaker 4: respect the hell out of each other, but they would
6:02
Speaker 4: look at each other in this time of the year
6:04
Speaker 4: and it was kind of the accepted feast of the postseasons, like.
6:09
Speaker 2: You know, I love you, but today I'm taking you out.
6:12
Speaker 2: You know, I'm trying to get you off the field
6:14
Speaker 2: kind of thing.
6:15
Speaker 4: So the intensity picks up. Players do play right to
6:19
Speaker 4: the edge because they have to. I also think that
6:22
Speaker 4: players understand the magnitude of penalties and what they mean
6:25
Speaker 4: in these types of games too, So it's almost as
6:28
Speaker 4: if they're even more polished on not maybe making that
6:33
Speaker 4: additional little piece that pushes the envelope, but they're still
6:36
Speaker 4: playing on the edge, if that makes any sense. And
6:39
Speaker 4: quite honestly, from an officiating window, you want to instill
6:43
Speaker 4: I always wanted to instill in the preseason with my
6:46
Speaker 4: crew the same kind of mantra that we are feeling
6:50
Speaker 4: right now, and that is listen in this game with
6:53
Speaker 4: these athletes, you don't want to call that tiki tac
6:57
Speaker 4: play in the first quarter for so many reasons. First
7:00
Speaker 4: of all, I think we always said fish for whales,
7:03
Speaker 4: don't fish for minnows.
7:04
Speaker 2: That was just kind of the.
7:05
Speaker 4: Little analogy that kept it simple and make it be
7:09
Speaker 4: a really big foul.
7:10
Speaker 2: Right now, the small chain stuff. Once you call something like.
7:14
Speaker 4: That, and I use my basketball acumen for that. You know,
7:17
Speaker 4: when we call a nickel dime handcheck in a basketball game,
7:20
Speaker 4: it not only wasn't the right thing for the game,
7:22
Speaker 4: it also put the officials in a box that say
7:24
Speaker 4: consistent through the rest of that game, because now this
7:27
Speaker 4: was on the field or this was on the court
7:29
Speaker 4: as a called foul. And I think when you breathe
7:33
Speaker 4: through the hand fighting, when you breathe through a little bit.
7:36
Speaker 2: Of restriction and it doesn't affect the play.
7:39
Speaker 4: Or they are pushing each other a little bit to
7:42
Speaker 4: breathe through that, it should play through that way throughout
7:45
Speaker 4: the regular season. But I do think that you emphasize
7:47
Speaker 4: it a little bit more and more than likely in
7:50
Speaker 4: the postseason, because you know, everyone understands the magnitude of
7:55
Speaker 4: what everything every decision as you said, sometimes on call,
7:59
Speaker 4: but decision has a great impact in these types of
8:03
Speaker 4: games because they're so close and usually that those types
8:07
Speaker 4: of things can decide the difference.
8:09
Speaker 3: Man, the fiscality just seemed to got ramped up this week.
8:12
Speaker 3: Oh man, those are some physical football games that we
8:15
Speaker 3: watched this weekend. Jean Startar is with us. He is,
8:19
Speaker 3: of course CBS Rules analysts greatest NFL official of all time,
8:23
Speaker 3: and we get to chat with him here on Chuck
8:26
Speaker 3: and Buck thanks to BMW Seattle. You had the Jacksonville
8:31
Speaker 3: Buffalo game and really really interesting game from beginning to end,
8:36
Speaker 3: and one call that didn't end up impacting the outcome
8:40
Speaker 3: I found to be the most fascinating of the NFL weekend,
8:43
Speaker 3: and that's when the clock seemed to run out at
8:46
Speaker 3: halftime and they were racing to get to the line
8:50
Speaker 3: and it looked like there was a zero on the
8:52
Speaker 3: scoreboard and they didn't get it off in time. My
8:56
Speaker 3: question was, and maybe you addressed it in the game.
8:58
Speaker 3: I don't know if I heard it. Don't the officials
9:01
Speaker 3: keep a different clock than the one that you see
9:04
Speaker 3: on your television, because it didn't look like they got
9:07
Speaker 3: the snap off in time and yet they ultimately reviewed
9:10
Speaker 3: it and gave them a chance at the kick. So
9:12
Speaker 3: explain that one to us as you saw it unfold.
9:16
Speaker 2: I think there is.
9:17
Speaker 4: That dynamic naturally, and when you're a back judge who
9:20
Speaker 4: is primarily responsible for the game clock in those situations,
9:24
Speaker 4: the back judges mechanics as that previous play is ending
9:29
Speaker 4: and you realize that the next situation is.
9:31
Speaker 2: This snap or no snap. What a back judge is doing.
9:34
Speaker 4: In that situation, and the only two things she or
9:37
Speaker 4: she should be doing is looking at the game clock
9:40
Speaker 4: and then looking back to make sure as they're looking
9:43
Speaker 4: and transitioning from the game clock to the field that
9:48
Speaker 4: the offense all the offensive players are set, because that's
9:51
Speaker 4: the deciding factor on the legality of whether a snap
9:54
Speaker 4: can take place in a lot of other things, So
9:57
Speaker 4: that back juge is really looking at both now at times,
10:01
Speaker 4: the little input g clock could be off a little
10:04
Speaker 4: from the official clock. I don't know if that was
10:07
Speaker 4: the case in this one. And the other dynamic with
10:09
Speaker 4: that play, which is a little bit of a you know,
10:12
Speaker 4: kind of the second or third level nerdy referee piece
10:15
Speaker 4: that when we're in those hurry up situations, if the
10:19
Speaker 4: offense is illegally set, all eleven players are still, and
10:23
Speaker 4: a player of the defense just hasn't gotten back from
10:26
Speaker 4: the offensive side of the ball, and he's trying to
10:29
Speaker 4: kind of squeeze like he's in a human traffic jam
10:32
Speaker 4: between the tackle and the guard to get on his.
10:35
Speaker 2: Side of the football.
10:36
Speaker 4: Anytime a defensive player is still on the offensive side
10:40
Speaker 4: of the ball when the offense is legally set and
10:43
Speaker 4: prepared to spike the football, I had a lot of questions, like,
10:47
Speaker 4: why why did that clock?
10:49
Speaker 2: I mean, when he spiked it, it.
10:50
Speaker 4: Was clearly zero, But because the defensive player was still
10:54
Speaker 4: in the offensive side of the football at the time
10:57
Speaker 4: the offensive set and began the snap, that play officially
11:01
Speaker 4: ends as soon as that center starts to move that
11:04
Speaker 4: football at all. So that's where I went and was focusing.
11:09
Speaker 2: I don't know if the.
11:10
Speaker 4: NFL now considers going into the tense of a second
11:13
Speaker 4: that we've seen in basketball for years now because of
11:16
Speaker 4: a lot of last second shots or play clock expirations,
11:20
Speaker 4: and see if that happens within the last second or
11:22
Speaker 4: three seconds of a game clock scenario. It was really, really,
11:27
Speaker 4: really close, and I thought that I had a look
11:30
Speaker 4: on my replay that felt like that center kind of
11:34
Speaker 4: almost kind of hitched for just a quick second right
11:37
Speaker 4: before snapping it, which again, that hitch would be an
11:39
Speaker 4: illegal snap or something to that effect if everyone.
11:44
Speaker 2: Were legally set. But because that.
11:46
Speaker 4: Movement occurred and the defense was still on the offensive
11:49
Speaker 4: side of the football, that has a shutdown play. And
11:52
Speaker 4: I do think we were somewhere in that limbo between
11:55
Speaker 4: the one becoming the zero, right like this camera frame
11:59
Speaker 4: is zero and one camera frame back is like it's
12:02
Speaker 4: a full one. So where were we in that time?
12:06
Speaker 4: But I've never had that happen. I've never seen it
12:08
Speaker 4: happen before. That was kind of a one off for me.
12:10
Speaker 4: And then for those that think he didn't get it off,
12:13
Speaker 4: we go back to the backyard of the playground and
12:16
Speaker 4: go back to that great saying.
12:17
Speaker 2: That the ball doesn't lie right, So they.
12:20
Speaker 4: Missed the field goal and it was all for not
12:22
Speaker 4: at the end of it all, so you know, the
12:25
Speaker 4: football gods know what they're doing. We start messing things
12:27
Speaker 4: up a little too much down there, and they're like,
12:29
Speaker 4: all right, go ahead, line it up, and a gust
12:32
Speaker 4: of wind shows up out of nowhere.
12:34
Speaker 2: It blows with watch, so.
12:37
Speaker 7: Jean there was another play in that game. It was
12:40
Speaker 7: like in the second quarter, Jacksonville was up I think
12:43
Speaker 7: seven to three, and they're they're marching down there there,
12:46
Speaker 7: they're inside the ten yard line. That's a fourth and two.
12:49
Speaker 7: They go for it and Trevor Lawrence ends up running
12:53
Speaker 7: and initially it looks like he gets the first down.
12:55
Speaker 7: They even went so far as to do that the
12:58
Speaker 7: virtual measurement and then show that he does get it.
13:00
Speaker 7: But then they challenge the spot and his shin was down.
13:03
Speaker 7: I have a couple of things. One, without the perfect angle,
13:08
Speaker 7: or if someone's blocking the perfect angle, that's probably not
13:11
Speaker 7: going to get overturned in Two is it anything except
13:14
Speaker 7: for their foot or hand, Like if it wasn't, his
13:16
Speaker 7: shin was down, Like just at first, I'm like, was
13:19
Speaker 7: ankles down? He kind of looks like he pushes off
13:21
Speaker 7: of his ankle. Is that considered down as well?
13:26
Speaker 2: Well?
13:26
Speaker 4: When the ankle begins to roll into the shin in
13:30
Speaker 4: this little kind of fractionary anatomy class, then when it
13:34
Speaker 4: gets above the ankle, he's down. Same with the back
13:38
Speaker 4: of the wrist. That would apply with the forearm and
13:41
Speaker 4: the wrist. So you give a little a piece of
13:43
Speaker 4: that wrist or a piece of that ankle. But as
13:45
Speaker 4: soon as it gets a little beyond that, now they're down.
13:48
Speaker 4: The other element I thought was really really important on
13:51
Speaker 4: that play was what Trevor Lawrence kind of that shin
13:55
Speaker 4: buckled to launch himself toward the line the game. I
14:00
Speaker 4: didn't feel, in much objective opinion that he was putting
14:03
Speaker 4: himself down by contact with that shin. More he was,
14:07
Speaker 4: you know, projecting himself forward, whether a body part touched
14:11
Speaker 4: down down at that point or not. To me, unless
14:15
Speaker 4: he was being touched by a defensive player, I would
14:18
Speaker 4: not have counted that shin or knee to be a
14:21
Speaker 4: downpoint like a sliding point, you know, giving himself up
14:25
Speaker 4: point at that at that juncture. And that's why I
14:29
Speaker 4: was really focusing really a lot on Thompson fifty sixth
14:33
Speaker 4: from from Buffalo to see if he was touching Lawrence
14:38
Speaker 4: when that right shin or that body part was down
14:41
Speaker 4: prior to the launch, and we got a great angle.
14:44
Speaker 4: I think it was our second angle of the replay
14:47
Speaker 4: which really presented that to me really well, because you
14:50
Speaker 4: could still see the shin there and him being touched
14:52
Speaker 4: prior to him catapulting himself forward. So there were a
14:56
Speaker 4: lot of legs on it, and then we got to
14:57
Speaker 4: see too. Look, the virtual measurement came out as a
15:00
Speaker 4: first down because the virtual measurement is always going off
15:05
Speaker 4: of where the people on the field beside the football is.
15:09
Speaker 4: So as much as that nice technology that comes in
15:12
Speaker 4: to show, when it shows, it all goes back to, well,
15:16
Speaker 4: we're measuring it from where the humans put it, right,
15:19
Speaker 4: So the challenge then came. I thought it was a
15:22
Speaker 4: really big time challenge there. And then we did see
15:26
Speaker 4: that he was being touch prior to him launching himself,
15:29
Speaker 4: you know.
15:29
Speaker 2: Beyond the line to gain.
15:30
Speaker 4: So I think everything worked in the right process there.
15:35
Speaker 4: And another big decision because if you take three at
15:37
Speaker 4: that point, you know, maybe the game unfolds a little
15:41
Speaker 4: differently too. But that was just the gist of the
15:43
Speaker 4: weekend where those decisions were just huge everywhere.
15:47
Speaker 3: Yeah, Jane Stertor is with us, all right. The last
15:51
Speaker 3: one that I want to make sure that we get
15:52
Speaker 3: to was at the end of the college game between
15:57
Speaker 3: Ole Miss and Miami. Now, I may swallow your whistle
16:02
Speaker 3: kind of I'm a proponent of that at the end
16:05
Speaker 3: of a game, let's let the players decide this and
16:08
Speaker 3: in your but in your analogy of whales versus minnows,
16:13
Speaker 3: that pass interference or lack thereof of a call seem
16:18
Speaker 3: kind of whalelike to me, Jean, very whaleish, because it
16:23
Speaker 3: looked like that receiver was getting mugged for about seven
16:26
Speaker 3: straight yards heading into the end zone. What should have
16:29
Speaker 3: been called there or not called?
16:31
Speaker 4: Man that you're talking like, that's a big whale away,
16:34
Speaker 4: there's seven steps. That's that's a whale that I don't
16:37
Speaker 4: have a.
16:37
Speaker 2: Hook for it, Chuck.
16:38
Speaker 4: I thought maybeould go just with a medium sized fish
16:41
Speaker 4: or something.
16:41
Speaker 2: But man, a days, you know what I looked.
16:44
Speaker 4: At on the play, and look, it's not a traditional
16:46
Speaker 4: hell of very play, which I do think you have
16:49
Speaker 4: to take a breast through because there's just too many
16:51
Speaker 4: people clustered at the catch point that you can break
16:54
Speaker 4: it down and say there's three files on the play
16:56
Speaker 4: and just keep redoing the darn think because of be offsetting.
16:59
Speaker 4: Probably what I really looked at on the play is
17:02
Speaker 4: when they initially came together, probably about three or four
17:07
Speaker 4: steps before the catchpoint of the ball got there. To me,
17:11
Speaker 4: I felt like the receiver initiated at least putting an
17:14
Speaker 4: arm toward that defensive back that was coming to him. Again,
17:18
Speaker 4: when I train officials in those aspects, and a defensive
17:24
Speaker 4: back is on what we call chase mode because he's
17:26
Speaker 4: behind and now as he's closing in on that receiver,
17:28
Speaker 4: the receiver now does put an arm out or begins
17:31
Speaker 4: to initiate some little hand fighting or some contact within
17:36
Speaker 4: that space as they start to become closer together. Once
17:41
Speaker 4: those one offensive player starts to initiate some of that,
17:45
Speaker 4: I want to allow the defensive player not to physically
17:48
Speaker 4: restrict or hold things down in an egregious way. But
17:51
Speaker 4: now I want to allow you to have a little
17:55
Speaker 4: hand fighting from your side as well. We are both
17:57
Speaker 4: now making a decision that our hands are going to
18:00
Speaker 4: play within our bodies here, and a little bit of
18:02
Speaker 4: separation or a little bit of push on either end
18:05
Speaker 4: of that space without it being overly egregious, I think
18:09
Speaker 4: is good officiating. I think that's that wail that's when
18:12
Speaker 4: it goes into that other place right at the end.
18:16
Speaker 4: Does it look like he's holding on like for one
18:18
Speaker 4: more frame or click or tick longer than he needs to, Yeah,
18:23
Speaker 4: I think there's a case for it. And then the
18:25
Speaker 4: football kind of dives further away, but that initial interaction
18:29
Speaker 4: with the receiver putting his hands on the defensive back.
18:32
Speaker 2: Now I'm letting that.
18:33
Speaker 4: Debut grab that arm a little bit, try to swim
18:35
Speaker 4: it away, and within that little blending of that next
18:39
Speaker 4: second or two, I'm a fan.
18:41
Speaker 2: Of leave that alone.
18:44
Speaker 4: Not just on those plays, I would say on all plays.
18:46
Speaker 4: But then as you watch the end of it, as
18:48
Speaker 4: I said, when you break these down, or when we
18:51
Speaker 4: watch these replays in such slow motion after some of
18:55
Speaker 4: those plays that occur within a second, you know, we're
18:58
Speaker 4: dissecting an awful lot of stuff that really I think
19:00
Speaker 4: does look much more exaggerated than it probably felt or
19:04
Speaker 4: happened in real time to a person on the field.
19:08
Speaker 2: I was cool with it being left alone. That's again,
19:10
Speaker 2: those are opinions.
19:11
Speaker 3: Okay, all right, all right, good to hear it from you.
19:15
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, I the thing about college is
19:18
Speaker 3: that you don't have to put it at the one
19:20
Speaker 3: yard line. They would still have to complete like a
19:23
Speaker 3: sixteen yard pass or something like that in order to
19:26
Speaker 3: win the game. It kind of buys you a little
19:28
Speaker 3: bit of a break if you wanted to call that.
19:31
Speaker 3: So it doesn't feel like you as the official determined
19:33
Speaker 3: the outcome of the game on a penalty. So but
19:38
Speaker 3: it looked it looked pretty fierce to me. But you
19:41
Speaker 3: know what, and Gene, I trust, so we're gonna go
19:44
Speaker 3: with you. We're gonna go with you.
19:47
Speaker 6: I stepped back.
19:48
Speaker 4: I like it for the next twenty minute.
19:51
Speaker 3: I stepped back from the crime scene. Gene has weighed in.
19:55
Speaker 3: All right, Well, thank you, Sarah. We appreciate where you
19:57
Speaker 3: going to be this weekend.
19:59
Speaker 2: This week we falled out late last night.
20:01
Speaker 4: We'll be in Denver for the Ruffalo Bills, but OS
20:04
Speaker 4: will be on the other three.
20:05
Speaker 2: Man.
20:06
Speaker 4: I mean, it's going to be a great week in Seattle.
20:09
Speaker 4: I know what that environment's like. I had the luxury
20:11
Speaker 4: to work a couple of pretty big playoff games there,
20:14
Speaker 4: and I am jealous because whoever and John Hussey and
20:18
Speaker 4: that crew and the eighty thousand plus that'll be there,
20:23
Speaker 4: I am sure in for an amazing experience in a
20:25
Speaker 4: great football game. So good luck to everybody out that way.
20:28
Speaker 4: And let's go with the stripes not being a story
20:31
Speaker 4: again for another weekend.
20:33
Speaker 3: Right, all right, Well, we'll be watching, so have a
20:36
Speaker 3: great show and we'll talk to you next week.
20:39
Speaker 2: Thanks guys, have a great week, all right.
20:41
Speaker 3: Jean Sterator, CBS Rules analyst, joins us every Tuesday thanks
20:44
Speaker 3: to BMW Seattle. Looking for a new or used BMW
20:48
Speaker 3: or something else even, go check out BMW Seattle, conveniently
20:51
Speaker 3: located between I five and I ninety near the stadiums.
20:55
Speaker 3: Coming up next, the voice of your Seattle Craggin everet
20:58
Speaker 3: fits you on sports radio No. Tiny three point three KJRFM.
21:11
Speaker 3: Oh joining us now on the Chucking Back Radio program,
21:14
Speaker 3: as he does every Tuesday at this time. Radio star,
21:17
Speaker 3: television star. Hell, if he wasn't so busy with his
21:21
Speaker 3: hockey schedule, I'm pretty sure he would have been there
21:23
Speaker 3: at the Golden Globes earlier this probably, you know, either
21:28
Speaker 3: accepting award or handing one out.
21:30
Speaker 2: I mean, he's just.
21:31
Speaker 3: A man of the people, very multi talented. He's everywhere.
21:34
Speaker 7: There's really nothing he can't do. In anything that he
21:36
Speaker 7: does do, he excels at. He basically is my idol.
21:40
Speaker 3: Yeah, evert fits you is with us here. No stage
21:44
Speaker 3: too big for this man. Good morning sir.
21:47
Speaker 6: You know, just trying to give the people what they want,
21:50
Speaker 6: what they clamor for.
21:54
Speaker 3: It's that kind of touch that you have with your
21:58
Speaker 3: fan base that really it does set you apart. Yep, yeah, well,
22:04
Speaker 3: great to hear from you, and nice to start that
22:07
Speaker 3: road trip. I mean, you've lost to in a row,
22:10
Speaker 3: you're down two to nothing, you're in New York and
22:13
Speaker 3: the fans are nasty, and you come back with four
22:17
Speaker 3: straight goals and win that thing last night? How big
22:21
Speaker 3: did it feel not to let this losing streak turn
22:24
Speaker 3: into something more to start this road trip?
22:28
Speaker 6: Well, you know that that game against against the Rangers,
22:32
Speaker 6: you need it, you needed a bounce back. Last night
22:35
Speaker 6: was all about the response, and you're right, you couldn't
22:38
Speaker 6: let that, you know, ten game point streak that you
22:42
Speaker 6: were on eighth to two spiral into something worse. And
22:47
Speaker 6: they did a really good job of that. They got
22:48
Speaker 6: themselves into a two nothing hole, they were able to
22:51
Speaker 6: climb out of it, and you don't want to make
22:52
Speaker 6: a habit of doing that, but the cracking showed that
22:56
Speaker 6: they can make those adjustments. In the second period, I
23:00
Speaker 6: mean Berkeley Katton getting his fourth goal in as many games.
23:04
Speaker 6: You know it was started by a great play from
23:07
Speaker 6: Matty Veneers earlier in that period as well, Ali's holding him,
23:12
Speaker 6: Jordan every getting goals in the second period. So I
23:15
Speaker 6: think for Seattle, the bounce back, the response is exactly
23:19
Speaker 6: what they needed. They got back to playing their brand
23:21
Speaker 6: of hockey. And that's what good teams do, That's what
23:24
Speaker 6: playoff teams do. They nip those kids in the bud.
23:28
Speaker 6: They don't let things spiral out of control. And looking
23:33
Speaker 6: back at that game last night against the Rangers, I
23:35
Speaker 6: remember having some conversations, you know, with some players earlier
23:39
Speaker 6: in the year about Lane Lambert in the style and
23:42
Speaker 6: the success that they were having early in the season,
23:44
Speaker 6: and a couple of them told me, you know, it
23:47
Speaker 6: was refreshing to play because you go back last year,
23:50
Speaker 6: last couple of years, we're down to nothing of the Rangers.
23:53
Speaker 6: That becomes for nothing pretty quick. We let things spiral
23:57
Speaker 6: out of control. We're not doing that this year. And
24:01
Speaker 6: the guys have told me like, it's been refreshing. And
24:03
Speaker 6: it's nothing against you know, the other coaches in the
24:06
Speaker 6: previous regimes, but just the way that this style and
24:10
Speaker 6: Lane Lambert is coaching this team, You're not seeing things
24:14
Speaker 6: spiral the way that they have in recent years.
24:17
Speaker 2: I'm with you.
24:18
Speaker 7: I mean, you said, a couple of years it feels
24:19
Speaker 7: like maybe even a couple of months ago, they maybe
24:22
Speaker 7: wouldn't have won that game. And so you're talking about
24:24
Speaker 7: the adjustments obviously that Lane Lambert and his staff make
24:28
Speaker 7: and then the guys go going out there and doing
24:30
Speaker 7: it on the ice. What exactly are those changes the
24:34
Speaker 7: differences that you're seeing right now out of this cracking
24:38
Speaker 7: team versus what was going on maybe earlier in the season,
24:42
Speaker 7: during spurts and previously.
24:44
Speaker 6: I think I think for for Seattle, the number one
24:49
Speaker 6: thing is, regardless of if you're not getting opportunities offensively,
24:55
Speaker 6: regardless if you're not scoring, you're going to defend. You're
24:59
Speaker 6: gonna defend. You're going to push guys to the outside.
25:02
Speaker 6: You're going to limit those high danger chances. Your goaltending
25:06
Speaker 6: needs to be a stellar and it has been all
25:10
Speaker 6: year long. Those are those foundational principles. I asked Lane
25:14
Speaker 6: Lambert the other day, what's been going right on this
25:17
Speaker 6: tennth time, the ten gay point streak, and he said, well,
25:20
Speaker 6: we're scoring goals. Defensively, we've not changed a lot. You
25:23
Speaker 6: go again, you look at that the last what twelve games,
25:27
Speaker 6: the Kraken have allowed two or fewer goals in nine
25:32
Speaker 6: of those twelve games, and they've scored three or more
25:36
Speaker 6: goals in eight of those twelve games. So the offense
25:40
Speaker 6: is coming. The defense has always been there, but that's
25:44
Speaker 6: been the key bucket. Regardless of what you're doing offensively,
25:48
Speaker 6: we're going to limit their chances. We're going to push
25:49
Speaker 6: them to the outside. We're not going to give up
25:51
Speaker 6: any shots. Any grade a's high dangers in the house,
25:55
Speaker 6: which is that area from the hash marks in in
25:58
Speaker 6: the circles. So we're not going to be giving up
26:01
Speaker 6: those opportunities. And as long as you stick to that,
26:04
Speaker 6: you're going to be successful. And that's what we're seeing
26:07
Speaker 6: this last month of the first month of the new year.
26:11
Speaker 3: The voice of your Seattle Cracking is whe Us Everett
26:14
Speaker 3: fits you was with us right here on Chuck and
26:16
Speaker 3: Buck in the mornings. I thought the kids really kind
26:19
Speaker 3: of carried the day during that winning streak, you know,
26:23
Speaker 3: Catton and Milanson and Myers and Winterton. Not that they
26:29
Speaker 3: were the best players on the ice for the Kracking,
26:31
Speaker 3: but they gave them something different, maybe that they were missing,
26:35
Speaker 3: maybe that the opponents hadn't had the opportunity to prepare for.
26:39
Speaker 3: And now you lose a couple of games, and it
26:43
Speaker 3: sure is nice to get the veterans back. The Schwartz
26:46
Speaker 3: is back in the lineup and hopefully montor soon and
26:50
Speaker 3: Eberly's playing great, so a great time to kind of
26:53
Speaker 3: get the vets back off the off the shelf, as
26:57
Speaker 3: maybe the league was starting to figure out these young
27:00
Speaker 3: kids in the spark that they were providing.
27:03
Speaker 6: Yeah, and you know what, though, I felt like into
27:08
Speaker 6: you're right, individually, maybe they weren't the best, you know,
27:12
Speaker 6: players on the ice, but I thought collectively that Winterton,
27:16
Speaker 6: Myers and Malanson line, what they brought, the energy and
27:20
Speaker 6: the identity that they have brought to this team is
27:23
Speaker 6: something I think that's been missing. And you're right, getting
27:28
Speaker 6: Montour back. He's in New York with us. He was
27:30
Speaker 6: skating yesterday at morning skates, So we'll see what that
27:33
Speaker 6: means in a non contact jersey. Typically when you get
27:37
Speaker 6: guys in non contact jerseys, and in my experience, you
27:41
Speaker 6: got about three to four days of practices. So they'll
27:46
Speaker 6: skate today, they probably won't skate tomorrow at Montour may
27:50
Speaker 6: go over and get a couple turns in. Maybe he
27:53
Speaker 6: comes back for Boston or Utah. Stevenson's back on the
27:57
Speaker 6: ground after the birth of his third child, so he
27:59
Speaker 6: should be back in the lineup tomorrow in New Jersey
28:03
Speaker 6: against the Devils. But you're right, you're getting where I
28:06
Speaker 6: think the last couple of games the Krackton have missed
28:10
Speaker 6: steps has been their puck management. There's been far too
28:12
Speaker 6: many turnovers, especially in that Carolina game. Seattle had a
28:16
Speaker 6: chance to at least get a point out of that
28:18
Speaker 6: Carolina game and they couldn't do it because of some
28:21
Speaker 6: cost and turnovers. Tanader Stevenson manages that puck better. He's
28:24
Speaker 6: not going to give that buck up. Getting Jordan Everley
28:27
Speaker 6: last night back against the Rangers, you saw that calming
28:31
Speaker 6: presence that he can bring. So I think the way
28:34
Speaker 6: the lineup has constructed the last week has been paying off.
28:39
Speaker 6: And you're right. The kids have been phenomenal. Berkeley Catton
28:42
Speaker 6: four goals as last four games, Malonson the physicality that
28:45
Speaker 6: he breaks, Ryan Winterton, Ben Myers being able to contribute
28:50
Speaker 6: as well. But it's going to be nice to get
28:52
Speaker 6: your full roster back. And I'll tell you what. The
28:54
Speaker 6: Kracktn are entering uncharted territory. Seattle now is going into
29:00
Speaker 6: game what is this game forty five coming up tomorrow
29:05
Speaker 6: against the Devils. They have not had an entirely healthy
29:09
Speaker 6: roster all year long, and it's gonna be a few
29:11
Speaker 6: more games until montur and Stevenson and maybe Matt Murray
29:16
Speaker 6: get back. But maybe around game fifty the Kracking are
29:19
Speaker 6: going to be for the first time fully healthy all season.
29:22
Speaker 2: Well.
29:22
Speaker 3: I don't want to be the person that corrects your math,
29:25
Speaker 3: but I believe if you include Chandler's oldest son, Berkeley,
29:31
Speaker 3: that's four children, then.
29:33
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, he got four. I forgot his old nineteen
29:37
Speaker 6: year old recently adopted son Berkeley. That's right, which, by
29:40
Speaker 6: the way, real quick, I absolutely love that story. Right more,
29:45
Speaker 6: this should happen more often for folks who don't know
29:48
Speaker 6: Berkeley Catton. Chadler Stevenson took in Berkeley Catton to live
29:52
Speaker 6: with him and his wife and his kids, and he
29:55
Speaker 6: is getting the benefit of being around a hometown kids.
30:00
Speaker 2: That's what a kid.
30:00
Speaker 6: They both grew up in the same place. You're living
30:03
Speaker 6: with a two time Cup winning NHL event who can
30:06
Speaker 6: show you the ropes how to be a pro. You
30:08
Speaker 6: get a bed that's not a hotel bed. You get
30:11
Speaker 6: a meal, hot meal, home cooked meals every day, you
30:14
Speaker 6: cannot under undervalue and undersell the importance of that. Sidney
30:20
Speaker 6: Crosby when he first got in the league, he lived
30:23
Speaker 6: with Mario Lemieux in Pittsburgh. Maclin Celebrini is living with
30:26
Speaker 6: Patrick Barlow and Joe Fulton in San Jose. There is
30:31
Speaker 6: something to be said about that, and the fact that
30:35
Speaker 6: Stevenson said, yeah, come live with me, Come learn what
30:37
Speaker 6: it's like to be a pro that does not get
30:41
Speaker 6: talked about or commended enough.
30:43
Speaker 3: And you're responsible for the pool and the landscaping.
30:46
Speaker 2: Yep, well right, funny.
30:48
Speaker 6: Because Stevenson said he was like, uh, he was asked,
30:51
Speaker 6: you know, what was the reason behind having cat and liberty.
30:55
Speaker 6: He goes, oh, babysitting for sure. Right, yes, he's gonna
30:58
Speaker 6: watch the kids, you know, do the chores around the
31:01
Speaker 6: house and yeah, but also the pool in the landscape,
31:05
Speaker 6: and I want those I want those lawn edges to
31:07
Speaker 6: be crisp, all.
31:08
Speaker 3: Right, sharp, Yeah, I want some scissorhands shrubbery. I want
31:12
Speaker 3: like a dinosaur in the backyard. That's what I want.
31:16
Speaker 3: Thirty seconds New Jersey Tomorrow, give us a little preview.
31:20
Speaker 6: Well, like the Rangers, they're going in the wrong direction
31:23
Speaker 6: and they've been trying to turn things around. This is
31:26
Speaker 6: a game that you know, Seattle, I'm not going to
31:30
Speaker 6: say it must win, but but it probably should win.
31:33
Speaker 6: This is a team that you should be sitting at
31:36
Speaker 6: seventh right now, out of the wildcard spot in the
31:39
Speaker 6: in the in the West. So they're three six and
31:41
Speaker 6: one in their last ten games, but they they are
31:45
Speaker 6: going in the wrong direction. The Cracking capitalize on that tomorrow.
31:48
Speaker 3: All right, sounds great. All right, we'll be listening. Thank you, sir,
31:50
Speaker 3: We appreciate it, and talk to you next week.
31:53
Speaker 6: All right, Fellows to Ashley, take care, thanks for the time.
31:56
Speaker 3: All right, evert fits you're joining us right here on
31:58
Speaker 3: Chuck and Buck in the morning as he does every
32:01
Speaker 3: Tuesday at eight thirty Cracking back on the ice tomorrow
32:05
Speaker 3: four o'clock start time in New Jersey, right here on
32:08
Speaker 3: your flagship Sports Radio ninety three point three KJRFM. Coming
32:12
Speaker 3: up next, do you change, just to change if you're
32:17
Speaker 3: Mike McDonald, will discuss as we are closer than ever
32:21
Speaker 3: to that playoff game against the forty nine ers on
32:24
Speaker 3: Saturday night, Sports Radio ninety three point three KJRFM. It's Chuck,
32:28
Speaker 3: Buck and Ashley with you here on this Tuesday morning.
32:31
Speaker 3: Rick new Isa will join us at the top of
32:34
Speaker 3: the hour. We know that the Seahawks are playing Saturday
32:36
Speaker 3: night at five o'clock against the San Francisco forty nine Ers,
32:39
Speaker 3: a team that they just faced the two weeks ago.
32:42
Speaker 3: I mean, at least the forty nine Ers had that
32:44
Speaker 3: Eagles buffer in between. For Mike McDonald, he has to
32:47
Speaker 3: prepare for the same team two games in a row,
32:52
Speaker 3: and it makes you wonder if he's going to triple
32:55
Speaker 3: think a double think, if he's going to prepare for
32:58
Speaker 3: what Kyle Shanahan might do and it throws him off
33:02
Speaker 3: his own game plan. I mean, how do you even
33:04
Speaker 3: do that? You know he's going to make changes, but
33:06
Speaker 3: you don't know what changes he's going to make. So
33:08
Speaker 3: then do you try to, you know, see what changes
33:12
Speaker 3: is going to make and make those changes to your
33:15
Speaker 3: own team. I mean, what you did the last time
33:17
Speaker 3: Lork pretty freaking good and worked pretty freaking well. So
33:23
Speaker 3: Greg Bell actually asked that question at his press conference
33:27
Speaker 3: yesterday of Mike McDonald.
33:28
Speaker 8: There's things in the game plan that we didn't get to.
33:30
Speaker 8: I'm sure there's things in their game plan they didn't
33:32
Speaker 8: get to. And you know, to use the old the
33:35
Speaker 8: game declaring itself type thing. I mean, you don't know
33:37
Speaker 8: how these games are going to go, and so this
33:40
Speaker 8: game is going to play out, it's about a ninety
33:42
Speaker 8: nine point nine chance is going to play out way
33:45
Speaker 8: different than the last one, and you got to do
33:47
Speaker 8: a great job of recognizing it and making the adjustments
33:49
Speaker 8: and doing all that type of stuff.
33:52
Speaker 3: That's a comforting answer, because, man, don't you just hearing
34:00
Speaker 3: that even though it was a ten point game, Oh,
34:04
Speaker 3: it was a runaway and hide kind of game, but
34:07
Speaker 3: they were so confident that they were in control of
34:09
Speaker 3: the game that Mike McDonald's answer is, there's a lot
34:13
Speaker 3: we didn't have to use. Yeah, we already have stuff
34:17
Speaker 3: that we didn't even use, that we were prepared to
34:20
Speaker 3: use that we think would have worked perfectly against them
34:23
Speaker 3: the last time. That they have no idea that we're
34:26
Speaker 3: going to do this time around. That's pretty comforting, right there, too,
34:30
Speaker 3: have used just kind of a fraction of your defensive
34:34
Speaker 3: game plan an offensive game plan to come away with
34:37
Speaker 3: that huge win two weeks ago.
34:40
Speaker 7: Oh well yeah, I mean, I don't know. I would
34:42
Speaker 7: imagine there couldn't have been a whole heck of a
34:44
Speaker 7: lot more up his sleeve defensively because he threw everything
34:47
Speaker 7: out him and it all worked perfect. Like, I don't
34:50
Speaker 7: think there's much of an adjustment. Maybe there's a couple
34:53
Speaker 7: of things where you know, they got to purty before
34:55
Speaker 7: he saw this guy that could have been a play
34:58
Speaker 7: that conversion or player or something. But for the most part,
35:01
Speaker 7: stifling defense. I think offensively, it was a greg that
35:05
Speaker 7: was saying he wouldn't be surprised if they they try
35:07
Speaker 7: to go down the field a little more. Whereas offensively,
35:11
Speaker 7: you saw pretty darn early in that game that you
35:14
Speaker 7: do that on purpose.
35:17
Speaker 2: Yeah, well that's.
35:18
Speaker 7: That's I got to give that to my buddy Benny.
35:20
Speaker 7: He he likes to every time where the Seahawks playing
35:24
Speaker 7: in the nine, saying it's pretty dominant right now, or
35:27
Speaker 7: this pretty he does.
35:28
Speaker 2: It a lot.
35:29
Speaker 3: It's already getting pretty darn old well, and I just
35:31
Speaker 3: got exposed.
35:32
Speaker 7: You need to get over it because it's pretty funny.
35:35
Speaker 7: But I do think there's a pretty good chance that offensively,
35:38
Speaker 7: they they they recognized early in that game that their
35:42
Speaker 7: defense was playing pretty well, and uh, and their offense
35:46
Speaker 7: didn't have to do a lot. They just had to
35:47
Speaker 7: kind of take care of the ball and and you know,
35:50
Speaker 7: get a few field goals here and there, and and
35:52
Speaker 7: yet I wouldn't be surprised if the game does change
35:55
Speaker 7: to where he's going into it not expecting it to
35:57
Speaker 7: be quite so dominant defensively that Kyle Shanahan's going to
36:01
Speaker 7: have a couple tricks up his sleeve.
36:03
Speaker 3: And so you're gonna have to.
36:04
Speaker 7: Open up the playbook a little bit more offensively so
36:07
Speaker 7: that you're not sitting there, you know, sweating out of
36:09
Speaker 7: some thirteen to ten game.
36:12
Speaker 3: Said, I say, just let them trick away. I'm not
36:14
Speaker 3: gonna change too much. I'm not going to try to
36:16
Speaker 3: overthink this whatever you did last time you were in
36:19
Speaker 3: the huddle of Kyle Shanahan on both sides of the
36:23
Speaker 3: ball and Robert Salah on both sides of the ball.
36:26
Speaker 3: If they make some adjustments, I mean, Mike McDonald's great
36:29
Speaker 3: at making adjustments himself. As a matter of fact, there's
36:31
Speaker 3: a bit of a trend usually like they first possession
36:35
Speaker 3: every game against the Seahawks, they move the ball but
36:38
Speaker 3: points on the board. It just feels that way all
36:40
Speaker 3: season long. And then he's like, Okay, I see what
36:43
Speaker 3: they're trying to do.
36:44
Speaker 2: So we're gonna do this.
36:45
Speaker 3: I mean even the Rams that game where they played
36:47
Speaker 3: so well offensively against this the second game, they didn't
36:50
Speaker 3: run the ball at all in the second half. And
36:53
Speaker 3: it's because Mike McDonald got into the locker room from
36:55
Speaker 3: what I hear, and just said, I know what they're doing.
36:57
Speaker 3: We're gonna do this, and they just could snuffed it out.
36:59
Speaker 3: Come bleed. They now Stafford kept throwing the ball effectively. Uh,
37:03
Speaker 3: and they put more points on the board than anyone
37:05
Speaker 3: was comfortable with. But man, I just think, I think,
37:08
Speaker 3: I think you've got the recipe for the forty nine ers,
37:11
Speaker 3: and I'm not gonna overthink it. If I'm Mike McDonald,
37:14
Speaker 3: well no, it's.
37:14
Speaker 5: A classic blunder if you overthink it.
37:16
Speaker 3: That's like.
37:17
Speaker 9: But I do, honestly think when I think of the
37:19
Speaker 9: matchup between Shanahan and McDonald, I kind of think of
37:22
Speaker 9: that Princess Bride poison scene.
37:24
Speaker 4: Right.
37:25
Speaker 9: Wesley doesn't overthink anything, right, He's just sitting there calmly. Meanwhile,
37:29
Speaker 9: Vizzini's got this whole plan and he's fallen victim and
37:32
Speaker 9: blah blah blah blah blah because he overthought the whole thing.
37:35
Speaker 3: I switched the glasses, Shanahan. You didn't see me twitch
37:39
Speaker 3: the glassies, but I switched the glassies.
37:41
Speaker 9: See it would be yeah, he'd be Shanahan would be
37:43
Speaker 9: saying it to McDonald, and McDonald would have been building
37:45
Speaker 9: up his hyacane powder immunity the whole time.
37:50
Speaker 5: That's what's happening.
37:51
Speaker 3: Never get into land war in Asia, and never get
37:54
Speaker 3: into a battle with with a bathilion when.
37:56
Speaker 4: Death is on the line.
37:58
Speaker 9: Exactly, yep, exactly. That's Shanahan, and McDonald's like, well, glad
38:06
Speaker 9: that's over.
38:09
Speaker 3: Shanahannah's Vezini, correct, and McDonald.
38:12
Speaker 5: Is Wesley, and you're gonna not be able to think
38:14
Speaker 5: of anything different now.
38:16
Speaker 3: I'm glad we got Wesley on our me too.
38:18
Speaker 2: Yeah.
38:19
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's also can you know, basically sword fight.
38:22
Speaker 5: You with either hand, yeah, and climb up a mountain
38:24
Speaker 5: with one hand.
38:25
Speaker 2: Yeah.
38:25
Speaker 3: And he will murder rodents of unusual size, Yes, all right?
38:30
Speaker 3: Rick new Isaels Next Sports Radio ninety three point three
38:33
Speaker 3: kJ R f M