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111: Halloween Special Episode- Cursed Objects · Common Mystics

• 0:10
  Speaker A: On this episode of Common Mystics, we are celebrating Halloween. I'm Jennifer James.
• 0:17
  Speaker B: I'm Jill Stanley.
• 0:18
  Speaker A: We're psychics.
• 0:19
  Speaker B: We're sisters.
• 0:20
  Speaker A: We are common mystics. We find extraordinary stories in ordinary places. But today, we're talking about cursed objects.
• 0:31
  Speaker B: Fun. I'm super excited.
• 0:35
  Speaker A: Yeah, this should be good. Are you ready for Halloween?
• 0:39
  Speaker B: I have the house decorated.
• 0:41
  Speaker A: Oh, good, good.
• 0:42
  Speaker B: But we never have kids out here.
• 0:45
  Speaker A: Oh, because you live in a rural area.
• 0:47
  Speaker B: Yeah. So it's pretty sad. But I do like Halloween. It's one of my favorite times of the year.
• 0:54
  Speaker A: I bought about $60 worth of candy already.
• 1:01
  Speaker B: That's dangerous.
• 1:02
  Speaker A: I know. And funny you should say that, because I just opened a bag just before this call. Because you have to get it ready because Thursday's gonna be here before you know it. You have to have it ready.
• 1:15
  Speaker B: Very dangerous.
• 1:16
  Speaker A: Yeah. I just had a watermelon starburst for the first time in my life.
• 1:20
  Speaker B: How do you like it? I like Starburst.
• 1:22
  Speaker A: I like Starburst. Watermelon would not recommend.
• 1:26
  Speaker B: Really?
• 1:27
  Speaker A: Well, I just don't generally like watermelon. How do you feel about. About Starburst? Your fan?
• 1:32
  Speaker B: I'm a fan of Starburst. My husband bought the nastiest candy in bulk. I showed you.
• 1:39
  Speaker A: Well, that's good. You want nasty candy in your house.
• 1:42
  Speaker B: Yeah. You don't want the. Not even he is eating it.
• 1:45
  Speaker A: And why did he buy it if you don't get trick or treaters?
• 1:48
  Speaker B: He bought it for him.
• 1:49
  Speaker A: Oh, got it.
• 1:51
  Speaker B: It's gross. And you always have to have something for chick or cheaters just in case.
• 1:56
  Speaker A: Just in case. Yeah.
• 1:57
  Speaker B: But this is like, they would like. They would be like, they would just walk away and not even grab it. It is those candies that look like they're strawberries and they're very old lady candy. Yes, yes. We have a bulk.
• 2:12
  Speaker A: Like, the wrapper looks like it's a strawberry.
• 2:15
  Speaker B: Yes. And when you unwrap it, it looks like a throat lodging. And you're like, what is this nastiness?
• 2:21
  Speaker A: Yeah, that's gross. Do you guys. You don't get full bars, right? Full bars.
• 2:26
  Speaker B: Ryan gives away full bars.
• 2:29
  Speaker A: I could not if I would go bankrupt in October if I bought full bars.
• 2:34
  Speaker B: I think I'm gonna drive to his house just to get a Snickers.
• 2:37
  Speaker A: Pick me up one too. Should we talk about cursed objects?
• 2:40
  Speaker B: I would love it.
• 2:42
  Speaker A: So you put this together. Thank you so much for your research on cursed objects.
• 2:47
  Speaker B: Thank you. I forgot what I put.
• 2:49
  Speaker A: So wonderful. So what is a cursed object? What do we mean about by cursed objects?
• 2:59
  Speaker B: Well, the concept of a cursed objects can be rooted in various cultures, psychological and spiritual beliefs and lore. Accursed objects is an inanimate item that brings misfortune, harm or death to its owners are those who come in contact with it.
• 3:18
  Speaker A: Yeah, that's not good.
• 3:20
  Speaker B: No, but I mean, kind of cool.
• 3:23
  Speaker A: Kind of cool.
• 3:24
  Speaker B: Kind of cool.
• 3:24
  Speaker A: But I mean, I. I wouldn't want that to happen to me, but kind of cool as a concept.
• 3:29
  Speaker B: So, Jennifer.
• 3:31
  Speaker A: Yeah.
• 3:31
  Speaker B: I listed below some cultures that subscribe to the cursed objects.
• 3:37
  Speaker A: Right. And they include African American hoodoo, Middle Eastern and Mediterranean cultures, German cultures, Irish Buddhism, Italian cultures, and Amish. All have supernatural traditions that include cursed objects. So it's not just, you know, some fringe woo woo us thing or western idea.
• 4:08
  Speaker B: Have you ever thought you had a cursed object?
• 4:11
  Speaker A: No, I never thought I had a cursed object. Do you think you have ever had a cursed object in your possession?
• 4:18
  Speaker B: I feel like I had cursed clothing.
• 4:22
  Speaker A: Interesting.
• 4:23
  Speaker B: Like whenever I would, like, would I. I would feel like there's a pattern of vents around a certain shirt I used to wear. You know what I mean? Like when I was a teenager, I was like, fuck that nonsense. And I got rid of it.
• 4:34
  Speaker A: Interesting.
• 4:35
  Speaker B: Yeah, but I'm superstitious like that. You know what I mean?
• 4:38
  Speaker A: Yeah. And was this something that you had new that maybe held on to your own negativity, or is this something that you got from someone already with negativity attached to it?
• 4:51
  Speaker B: I believe they were new.
• 4:54
  Speaker A: Okay, so it was your own. You did it to yourself. You did it to yourself. Stop cursing yourself. Stop cursing yourself.
• 5:02
  Speaker B: So, but just the house and the energy, like just having like something in our house and like during the 90s could create a cursed object.
• 5:11
  Speaker A: Exactly. That is 100% accurate.
• 5:13
  Speaker B: And I don't know who wore my shit. You know how people be stealing my.
• 5:17
  Speaker A: Shit all the time, always blaming other people? Jill.
• 5:20
  Speaker B: I'm just saying.
• 5:21
  Speaker A: Till the day you die. All right, so let's, let's talk about how objects can get cursed. Shall we do that?
• 5:27
  Speaker B: Why don't we?
• 5:28
  Speaker A: Okay, so historical events surrounding an object can result in a quote, unquote, cursing of the object. Do you know what I mean?
• 5:42
  Speaker B: No, what do you mean?
• 5:43
  Speaker A: Well, something that is tragic or violent that has happened in the past can leave a mark on, on a thing. For example, items that were part of a crime scene or that belong to somebody who experienced some great misfortune can carry that negativity with it. So think about, think about some of the stuff on the Titanic that has been brought up from the bottom of the Atlantic and is now sitting in museums. You think there's a possibility some negative mojo is hanging onto that?
• 6:23
  Speaker B: I was thinking of like, like paintings from like Hitler's or like, like the, the palace quote unquote, that was surrounding the concentration camps in Nazi Germany. They had like, they were affluent and they had like oil paintings and like chairs and stuff. You know what I mean? Like, I would assume like that's some.
• 6:47
  Speaker A: But not Titanic because, well, Titanic because if you think of the hundreds of people who were on that ship for a long time, like for hours, right, While they suspected or knew that things were going to get really bad, right?
• 7:06
  Speaker B: Yeah, but the Titanic shit, most of the stuff was inside like the, the rooms and in the body of the ship where everyone came up to the deck just saying, what about the stuff.
• 7:21
  Speaker A: Like that they scooped off the top of the Atlantic that people were holding on to?
• 7:27
  Speaker B: That would be some shit like Rose's door.
• 7:30
  Speaker A: You know how Rose at the end.
• 7:31
  Speaker B: There's enough room.
• 7:32
  Speaker A: There's totally enough room. They should have both gotten on there. Jack did not have to die. That aside, that door would be cursed, I believe.
• 7:39
  Speaker B: Yes, absolutely. Absolutely.
• 7:41
  Speaker A: All right, well, at least we can agree on that. Yes, thank you. Jesus. I was just expecting. Yeah, Jen, I do believe so. But no, we had to have a five minute conversation. That's okay. I'm not.
• 7:52
  Speaker B: You know what? You know what? We sometimes we just need to talk it out.
• 7:56
  Speaker A: But Nazis, yes, Nazis curse some shit. We're gonna get there in a little bit.
• 8:00
  Speaker B: Well, I will say this about that door. That would be creep. No, for real. Like if you knew.
• 8:05
  Speaker A: Which doesn't exist. Which is a prop.
• 8:07
  Speaker B: It may exist, which.
• 8:09
  Speaker A: James Cameron probably has a room in his house.
• 8:12
  Speaker B: A door from the Titanic that someone was clinging on to, agonizing over may exist. And that would be some powerful shit that I would not want in my house.
• 8:22
  Speaker A: Agreed, Agreed. So, George Cameron, if you have a room in your house with Titanic paraphernalia, maybe rethink maybe. Okay, so there's also the possibility that someone can intentionally curse an object. Some cultures believe that you can use. And I say you. I don't mean you, Jill. Although certainly you could. But people who do rituals or spells could intentionally channel negative energy and ex.
• 9:00
  Speaker B: Like implant it?
• 9:03
  Speaker A: Yes, it, like implant it or I'm doing the syringe thing with my head.
• 9:06
  Speaker B: Like inject.
• 9:09
  Speaker A: Inject. Thank you. Inject an object with like bad vibes. What do you think about that? Do you think that's possible.
• 9:18
  Speaker B: I do. I do think.
• 9:21
  Speaker A: Ever been in a situation where you knew that someone did intentionally curse something?
• 9:29
  Speaker B: No, but I've been in a situation where something was intentionally blessed, so I know it can go both ways.
• 9:36
  Speaker A: Look at you. Good answer. Way to spin that to a positive. Also, just emotional energy. So some people believe that objects can absorb the emotional energy of their surroundings or of their owners or previous owners. And so if an object is associated with strong negative emotions, like strong grief, strong anger, strong jealousy, that object might end up being, quote, unquote, cursed, because that negativity is still imprinted on that object.
• 10:18
  Speaker B: I love the story of the shirt that you were going to wear that you tried on, that you were like, nope, not for me.
• 10:25
  Speaker A: That's right. Can you tell us? Yeah. There was some clothing that I acquired, and it had belonged to someone other than myself, and I was going to give most of it away, but there was one shirt that was cute. It was clean. It was cute. It smelled. It smelled fine. So maybe a little smokey, but I washed it, you know, did the downy Febreze. All good. And I could not wear that shirt. That shirt, every time I wore it, I just felt like there was a dark cloud over me and nothing happened, but I could not wear that shirt. Yeah, I just felt that negative energy, and I had to get rid of it. I dropped it off at the Goodwill because I could not keep it. I didn't even want it in my house. There's just so much I attached to that shirt.
• 11:20
  Speaker B: Goodwill is a. Like, I was thinking about. No, for real. No, I'm serious. I was thinking about when I was a teenager and I had the clothes that I was like, this is bad. I just threw them out. I didn't want to Goodwill them because I was like, no one should have to have this.
• 11:36
  Speaker A: Part of me thought it was just me. Maybe it's just me being. I'm sure someone who is not sensitive could wear the shirt and be fine. Maybe you just knew too much or was too sensitive. So I don't think if I thought it could do any real harm to somebody, I wouldn't have donated it to Goodwill. But I just felt I was just too sensitive. You know?
• 11:56
  Speaker B: I am a big fan of burning shit.
• 11:59
  Speaker A: I know you are. I know you are. Burning and burying.
• 12:02
  Speaker B: Burn. Yes, everyone likes burning and a good burial. Yes, everyone likes it.
• 12:08
  Speaker A: Right? So. Oh, getting back to emotional energy. That's also the concept behind people who read items. Right? Like psychometry. So there are certain psychics and their specialty Is you bring them stuff either that you wear or use a lot, like your, your watch or your ring or your hairbrush, you know, etc. Something that you hold or use a.
• 12:32
  Speaker B: Lot or that your purse, your wallet.
• 12:35
  Speaker A: Or that for someone in your life that you want them to read and they can pick up on that energy that is attached. So I have seen that in person as you have as well.
• 12:47
  Speaker B: Right? Yeah.
• 12:48
  Speaker A: Are you good at that? Do you like to do that? Personally, I'm not good at it.
• 12:53
  Speaker B: I've seen the way Mikaleen, our childhood psychic friend. Psychic friend reads and she reads like she's opening a book in her mind's eye and she's like flipping through the pages of it. And that's not how it happens for me. I just get impressions when I'm holding something. But I'm not.
• 13:13
  Speaker A: It's not your specialty.
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  Speaker B: Yeah, I mean I'm better with like looking at pictures and reading the energy from a picture rather than just closing my eyes and holding something. And usually, and can I just be honest? Usually when someone's like, feel this. They're trying to trick me or they're trying to like be like they already have something in their mind. So no matter what I say at that point. Do you know what I'm saying?
• 13:37
  Speaker A: Yeah. Because they're coming at it with a preconceived notion of what you should be picking up on.
• 13:42
  Speaker B: What I would like to do as like a test, like use something that like, someone's like, my sister's missing here, take. Take her. Like what?
• 13:54
  Speaker A: That's not marvel thing to say.
• 13:57
  Speaker B: Depends on the sister, actually.
• 13:58
  Speaker A: What do you have planned?
• 14:00
  Speaker B: Well, my point is, is like to take something of theirs and be like, where find that connection. That would be a better test for them.
• 14:06
  Speaker A: Like more of a missing person sort of helping the police sort of situation.
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  Speaker B: Right. Which by the way, side note, remember my neighbor's cat?
• 14:15
  Speaker A: Yes.
• 14:16
  Speaker B: Yes. So I, I prayed, I meditated, I said the rosary about.
• 14:21
  Speaker A: Because your neighbor's cat was lost.
• 14:23
  Speaker B: Was lost, missing. And I was just like, I, I clearly in my head was like, she's going to be okay. That's what the answers I was getting. She's nearby, she's fine. Months. That cat was gone for months. And I was like, I'm so sorry, Chrissy. I'm like, I just, maybe I'm too close to the situation because I want her to come home so bad. And one of the neighbors down the street hit her.
• 14:47
  Speaker A: Oh my God, you were totally right.
• 14:49
  Speaker B: And well, the thing what's frustrating is Like, I may have been right, but I didn't have a connection to be like, she's down the street. Do you see what I'm saying?
• 14:55
  Speaker A: Oh, yes, yes I do.
• 14:56
  Speaker B: So I knew she was close, but it was like, she's fine, she's close, but like, what good did that do unless I could like.
• 15:04
  Speaker A: Right.
• 15:04
  Speaker B: Produce some evidence to get the cat back.
• 15:08
  Speaker A: Right. Okay, interesting. Well, getting back to the outline, because that example had nothing to do with it.
• 15:14
  Speaker B: Well, it kind of does. We're talking about the emotional energy of an object and like the clothes. So like I was saying, if somebody's went missing, maybe if I. In that case, if you had the cat collar. Yes.
• 15:23
  Speaker A: Or some cat bed. Okay, okay.
• 15:26
  Speaker B: That would have been a better.
• 15:27
  Speaker A: All right, well, next time you know what to ask for.
• 15:31
  Speaker B: Cat bed. Cat.
• 15:32
  Speaker A: Cat bed. Let me. Let me lay on this cat bed for a little bit. Okay, got you. So also supernatural entities such as spirits. Oh, demons. Some believe that such entities can kind of house themselves or attach themselves to objects. And of course that leads to negative experiences for those who possess them. So we, in our Patreon, on our Patreon page, we just dropped an episode today, in fact, that was all about portals. And we know an object can serve as a portal, meaning a doorway for different entities to come through to our dimension. But this is different. This is an attachment. So like one singular spirit or. Or. Yeah, or negative entity can attach to an item and just cause it to cause harm. Thoughts?
• 16:38
  Speaker B: I think it's possible. I think again the reverse of that is like Our lady of Chestova.
• 16:43
  Speaker A: Right.
• 16:44
  Speaker B: You know what I mean? It's just like. And for those of you where angels.
• 16:47
  Speaker A: Can attach to a specific thing, object.
• 16:51
  Speaker B: Place, so there is that possibility. I would hope that I would be able. See. What's scary about this is that I like thrifting. Not like you and Jenny and Ryan, but like I don't want to stumble upon some bullshit and not recognize it as evil. You know what I mean?
• 17:11
  Speaker A: Yeah. I think you would recognize if was an evil object.
• 17:15
  Speaker B: I don't know.
• 17:16
  Speaker A: Well, let's. Let's keep going. I think you would. And then of course there are psychological factors that play into all this because if the person. If you. If I believe that an object is cursed, then it can lead to a self fulfilling prophecy where it's really your own energy bringing about negativity because of your belief that the object is cursed. So maybe there is no demon or spirit attached to it. Maybe there is no emotional energy. Maybe there was no historical event. But because you think there was, it's your own, you're calling it to the object now. That is a mind.
• 18:04
  Speaker B: That is a mind. What do you think about that?
• 18:08
  Speaker A: I think it's 100% possible as well as the opposite. If, if you believe you, if you believe that nobody has the power to curse anything, it's rubbish, then I don't think that that, that that object or the energy has real any power over you because you're not giving it any power. So I think it works both ways.
• 18:29
  Speaker B: I kind of disagree.
• 18:30
  Speaker A: Tell me why.
• 18:32
  Speaker B: Because your husband.
• 18:35
  Speaker A: Tell me more.
• 18:36
  Speaker B: Your husband is a definite non believer ghost blocking motherfucker.
• 18:40
  Speaker A: That is true.
• 18:42
  Speaker B: It's just, that's just how it is. But he has had experiences even though he doesn't believe that even like, like he would be saying it to you be like, where's my husband? So I don't know, is it that he's less aware but it still happens and he kind of just talks it away. And then some things like his dentist brain can't talk away and he has to be like, okay, Jennifer, this happened maybe. You know what I mean?
• 19:11
  Speaker A: I mean we say he's a ghostblock and he is, but I don't think he's the best example because he also has had experiences. But there are people who have never had any experiences. And maybe for them they're not what.
• 19:28
  Speaker B: I don't think, like, like my father in law, he does not subscribe to this at all. And he, he would claim that he didn't have any experiences, but like they're clearly experiences happening and that like it would be like anyone else, like objectively would be like, that's an anomaly. And he would just be like hogwash, you know?
• 19:49
  Speaker A: Right. So I guess what, what you're saying is that those people who say they don't believe are still subject to that energy, they're just either not aware of it or they're consciously saying I, you know, like rejecting it as.
• 20:06
  Speaker B: Exactly. Exactly. Yeah. What do you think about that?
• 20:11
  Speaker A: I honestly feel, I mean personally that I have so much protection and that it's so easy for me to call on my angels, call on my, my peeps on the other side that this sort of stuff doesn't scare me because even if I get a negative, a negative vibe from something, I think I'm protected from it. Maybe that's my naivety. What do you think?
• 20:37
  Speaker B: I think you're very protected. I think we're both very protective. But I also think we allow things into our, to our Environment that, like, we have the free will of doing so the protection may be like, yeah, no, pass on that. Like, that may be, like, the, like, the inclination to be like, yeah, how about not with this? But yet you make that. That free will to be like, okay, I am inviting this whatever into the house.
• 21:02
  Speaker A: I think the scariest thing are for those people who are dabblers, who maybe don't have a strong connection to their angels and guides and protectors on the other side, maybe who are not spiritual, but maybe looking for cheap thrills and might do things like that could get them into trouble.
• 21:22
  Speaker B: And that's why those are the people.
• 21:25
  Speaker A: Yes, yes, yes, yes.
• 21:26
  Speaker B: Though, like, it's like the Internet. Like, you can be on the Internet and use it responsibly, or you can be on the Internet looking for some cheap thrills and get catfished.
• 21:34
  Speaker A: Right. I think as long as you have a good spiritual grounding and, you know, like, you call on your people, you. You do, you know, you manually take the time to keep yourself spiritually safe and protected. I think you're. We're gonna be okay, but just. Just know what you're doing. Sorry, this was a long. I didn't mean to go that much.
• 21:52
  Speaker B: Oh, no, no. I'm enjoying this. Stop it. Don't apologize. I just want to get into some famous scary cursed objects. But I want. I just want to know.
• 22:07
  Speaker A: Yes.
• 22:08
  Speaker B: Would you seek out a cursed object?
• 22:12
  Speaker A: Absolutely not. Never. Not in a.
• 22:15
  Speaker B: Not to, like, bring home, but just to, like, see.
• 22:18
  Speaker A: I would never seek out. I would never go to. I would never actively try to put myself in the same place with something that I knew was cursed. Absolutely not.
• 22:29
  Speaker B: Got it.
• 22:29
  Speaker A: I think that's risky. That's risky and irresponsible, and I would never, ever do that. You.
• 22:40
  Speaker B: I seek out spiritually charged locations for a podcast with my sister.
• 22:44
  Speaker A: Cursed locations.
• 22:45
  Speaker B: We stumble upon them.
• 22:47
  Speaker A: We stumble upon them. But do. Do we look for the cursed freaking locations in the United States and drive there? No, no, no.
• 22:53
  Speaker B: That's not our intention.
• 22:54
  Speaker A: That's not what we do.
• 22:55
  Speaker B: That's not our intention.
• 22:57
  Speaker A: All right, let's talk about the first.
• 22:59
  Speaker B: Cursed object, which you guys, please Google. It is frightening. It is called the Anguished Man.
• 23:06
  Speaker A: Okay, so it is a painting. I think we have to describe this. So this. This is a painting of a human form from, I would say the chest up. Okay. What colors are they? It looks like the background is blue and the figure is reds.
• 23:25
  Speaker B: You know, the best way I could describe. Yeah, like a dark rust and reds. But the best Way I would describe it is, you know, the famous picture of the scream. The guy on, like. It's like. It's almost like he's on a bridge, and he is. He's screaming with his hands over his ears.
• 23:45
  Speaker A: Yeah.
• 23:45
  Speaker B: Think of that face with no hands to the ears from the shoulders up. That's what this picture looks like to me.
• 23:53
  Speaker A: Very, very featureless. The eyes are kind of vacant and creepy. The mouth is open like it's in a moan or a scream.
• 24:03
  Speaker B: And.
• 24:04
  Speaker A: Yeah, it's. It's disturbing.
• 24:06
  Speaker B: It is. Why would someone create this?
• 24:10
  Speaker A: There is. This is a real painting, and it is shrouded in mystery. It has been in the Robinson family in England for generations. The current owner's name is Sean Robinson, and he inherited this painting from his grandmother.
• 24:31
  Speaker B: Creepy as.
• 24:32
  Speaker A: Now, Sean said that his grandmother always told him that the painting was made by an artist who used his own blood to create it. Yeah.
• 24:50
  Speaker B: I mean, this whole thing's a cry for help, and no one. I mean, for real, and no one knows that who the artist is. If I made this.
• 24:59
  Speaker A: Yeah.
• 24:59
  Speaker B: I would be like, yeah. Unknown.
• 25:02
  Speaker A: Unsigned.
• 25:02
  Speaker B: Unsigned. Unknown.
• 25:04
  Speaker A: Grandma always. Grandma also always told him that it was evil, and she knew it was evil. And now he has lived with this for some time, and he agrees that, yeah, Grandma was right. It's evil.
• 25:17
  Speaker B: I have so many questions, like, grandma, why didn't you burn it?
• 25:22
  Speaker A: Yeah, no kidding. No kidding.
• 25:23
  Speaker B: Okay.
• 25:24
  Speaker A: Okay. So after Shawn brought the artwork into his home, he began witnessing bizarre events. Okay. And there's actually a YouTube channel called the Anguished Man Official that catalogs these strange occurrences that have happened to Sean. Apparently, doors slam shut on their own frequently at Sean's house.
• 25:52
  Speaker B: I don't like that because of my cats. That's not true.
• 25:54
  Speaker A: Yes. Yeah. No, no, no. I would worry for my cats, too. Sha also said that in addition to doors slamming shut on their own, there are eerie noises that are in his house. And maybe most troubling is the shadowy figure that wakes him up in terror in the middle of the night. And he has intense nightmares where he is pulled into, like, an alternate haunted world that the painting is set in.
• 26:42
  Speaker B: Wow.
• 26:44
  Speaker A: Yeah.
• 26:46
  Speaker B: Okay.
• 26:48
  Speaker A: One nightmare. I'm sorry, I just have to tell you one more thing, because it's freaking terrifying. In one of the nightmares, he felt himself being, like, lifted off of his bed, like he was being, like, taken.
• 27:02
  Speaker B: Is that the kind of energy his grandma was experiencing? Because that's kind of shitty to be like, here you go, boy.
• 27:08
  Speaker A: Yeah. Well, Grandma said that she saw the same mysterious man yeah, this is not a good grandma. Like, that's. That's not the kind of thing I want from my grandparents.
• 27:18
  Speaker B: Well, I mean, grandma who's like, into, like, the metaphysical cool grandma who's giving you cursed shit that scares the fuck out of you. Not cool.
• 27:27
  Speaker A: Yeah, not cool grandma. Yeah, apparently same thing happened to her. And it's pretty consistent that these strange happenings are occurring between 3 and 4am Isn't that like a witching hour or something?
• 27:42
  Speaker B: That's the mock. It's a perversion of the hour that Jesus is.
• 27:47
  Speaker A: Oh, gotcha. Gotcha. So, yeah, also temperature changes, dramatic temperature changes, and sometimes mysterious smoke will also form in Sean's house. Yes.
• 28:00
  Speaker B: So Shawn. Shawn and his beautiful painting are living together in England, happily. What is going on?
• 28:08
  Speaker A: Well, they are still together. He still has it, but he has it locked away. Okay. So it's not like out in his house. I don't know where he puts it. Maybe crawl space. I don't know. It's locked away is what it says. But here's the. Here's the. Another disturbing thing is that Sean has these followers worldwide that continue to, like, communicate with him, follow him, looking for, like, what are the updates on this cursed object? Yeah. What do you think about this one? Do you think it's really cursed? That's my first question.
• 28:51
  Speaker B: It's so. It's such a disturbing image on its own.
• 28:55
  Speaker A: True.
• 28:56
  Speaker B: Like, for me, it's just like, why would you have this. Why would you create this unless you were in some kind of turmoil? Pain.
• 29:05
  Speaker A: Yes.
• 29:05
  Speaker B: Yes. So, I mean, I don't. Like, the pictures in my house don't represent, like, severe anguish.
• 29:13
  Speaker A: Yes.
• 29:14
  Speaker B: So.
• 29:15
  Speaker A: So just on the superficial level, it is disturbing. It is a disturbing image. Yes. And it's also unsigned, and there. There is no known artist. So that's also a little bit odd.
• 29:28
  Speaker B: Right. And what's odd to me is if grandma was experiencing horrific events surrounding what she believed to be this painting, to give it to her grandson as an heirloom without, like, a cautionary. Like, this is what you do with it. Like, you wrap it away. This is not for you to have out and about. This is like, you know what I mean? Without having some kind of guide on how to handle something with that kind of energy and power.
• 29:59
  Speaker A: Yeah, Yeah. I don't know. I. But you do think it's really cursed?
• 30:04
  Speaker B: I mean, it's possible on a superficial level, it's. It's disturbing. So even just looking at it is disturbing.
• 30:12
  Speaker A: It's got some. It's got some Funky energy for sure. And the worldwide following does not help. I. That just feeds this negativity, by the way. All right, well, thanks for that.
• 30:25
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 30:25
  Speaker A: You have another one.
• 30:26
  Speaker B: Yeah, that was. That's a scary one.
• 30:27
  Speaker A: That is a scary one.
• 30:28
  Speaker B: This is a good one. I like this one. Not read it.
• 30:32
  Speaker A: Can you?
• 30:32
  Speaker B: I can't.
• 30:33
  Speaker A: No, I couldn't read it. I had to look it up. It's a dybbuk box.
• 30:37
  Speaker B: That is not how I would say that.
• 30:39
  Speaker A: Dybbuk box. Okay, so what the Dybbuk box is, is an antique wine cabinet. It is a box, a cabinet used to store wine. It's very old and it's called the Dybbuk box because it is purportedly haunted by a dybbuk. A dybbuk. You might ask, what is it? It is in Jewish mythology, a malicious spirit who clings to a host. In this case, the host is the box, the wine cabinet. So, any questions so far?
• 31:19
  Speaker B: I don't like it. No, I liked it because this was a wine cabinet, but now it's turning to be a bad wine cabinet.
• 31:26
  Speaker A: So as the story goes, in 2003, an antique store owner named Kevin Manus bought a vintage wine box from a 103 year old Holocaust survivor on ebay. I don't want anything, anything associated with the Holocaust. Personally speaking, I don't want anything associated with the Holocaust. That terrifies me.
• 31:58
  Speaker B: Yeah, 100% terrifies me.
• 32:02
  Speaker A: So I'm just going to say that, right? I would never bid for an hot.
• 32:08
  Speaker B: Take Holocaust like items, not something that you want to bring into your house.
• 32:14
  Speaker A: You don't want a relic from the Holocaust?
• 32:16
  Speaker B: No.
• 32:17
  Speaker A: You don't want a remembrance. Well, maybe a remembrance is different, but not a relic.
• 32:21
  Speaker B: Well, I was thinking for this person, for the person, the 103 year old person that owned it, it was probably a remembrance thing. It was probably an heirloom from their family and that's probably why they kept it.
• 32:32
  Speaker A: Yeah, that would make sense because you would associate it with your family. But as in a curiosity or as a collectible?
• 32:40
  Speaker B: No, absolutely not.
• 32:42
  Speaker A: Okay, so Kevin Manis bids and buys this Dybbuk box or a wine cabinet online. And after it arrives, there are hauntings that start to happen in his home and he starts to get recurring nightmares and strange bruises develop on his body. Also, he starts to just randomly smell ammonia in his house. That's scary. That is scary. So he put it back up on ebay.
• 33:31
  Speaker B: Wow.
• 33:31
  Speaker A: You don't want to lose money on it. So he, he puts it back up on ebay. And another guy, so Kevin Manus, sells it to Jason Haxton. Now Jason Haxton buys it and Haxton similarly starts to experience strange, strange phenomenon.
• 33:51
  Speaker B: I'm wondering if it was in the description, like, this is a haunted ass box. Do you know what I mean?
• 33:56
  Speaker A: I wonder, I wonder if he was.
• 33:58
  Speaker B: Like upfront, because that's how I would do it.
• 34:01
  Speaker A: Yeah.
• 34:01
  Speaker B: I wouldn't be like, this is just like a holocaust box wine cabinet. I would be like, this is some haunted ass shit that I can't own anymore. And I spent money on who wants it.
• 34:10
  Speaker A: And you know what? I bet people would pay more for something that had, you know, just because it's exciting.
• 34:16
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 34:17
  Speaker A: How morbid.
• 34:17
  Speaker B: People are definitely a conversation piece.
• 34:21
  Speaker A: It's a conversation of screams. Okay. Yeah. So Jason Haxton also experiences terrible things. And so he buries it. So he's in Missouri. He buries it in the ground. He's like, I don't want to be near this. We're put, we're going to contain this negativity. Buries it in the ground.
• 34:43
  Speaker B: I appreciate that, but pulls it out.
• 34:45
  Speaker A: For a TV show.
• 34:48
  Speaker B: Oh, wow.
• 34:49
  Speaker A: The Ghost Adventures.
• 34:51
  Speaker B: Of course.
• 34:53
  Speaker A: So Haxton stated that, and this is a quote, the day it arrived, I put my hands on it and it almost feels like the thing collapses into a liquid state. I felt like a knife was coming into my gut. I was paralyzed in pain. When I go to bed, I have terrible dreams of a hag that seems to come with the box.
• 35:21
  Speaker B: Wow, that's frightening.
• 35:24
  Speaker A: Right? Yeah. Haxton paid $280 for the box. That's really cheap. That's. That surprises me. I gotta tell you, I bet if he put it back up, he could get thousands in today's market.
• 35:39
  Speaker B: 100%.
• 35:39
  Speaker A: So Haxton only paid $280 for the box. And when he opened it up, it contained a goblet. Like a wine goblet?
• 35:51
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 35:51
  Speaker A: Two locks of hair tied with string, pennies from the 1920s, a dried rosebud, a cast iron candlestick holder and a granite statue engraved with Hebrew letters. Okay, let's stop right there. I'm going to tell you all. If you ever open a box and you see hair tied in string, that shit's cursed. Seal it back up and burn it the more you. No reason. There is no reason that hair would be tied up unless it was part of a ritual. I'm 100% being honest here. Am I wrong? Hair tied in string, that's one of our go tos. No.
• 36:44
  Speaker B: That'S why she's speaking so strongly about it, guys, because she's done that shit. But again, I'm wondering about the description. Did he not know that there was hair in the Hebrew cast iron granite.
• 36:59
  Speaker A: You know what I'm saying? Apparently ebay did say that the box should always remain shut and be out of reach and never to open it. And he freaking opened it. And finds hair tied up and expects that it's not going to be cursed. No, dude, no.
• 37:14
  Speaker B: That's on you, brah.
• 37:15
  Speaker A: Seriously though, you guys hair along with the pennies and the statue with Hebrew, you don't know what that. Do you speak Hebrew? Do you speak Hebrew?
• 37:24
  Speaker B: I do not.
• 37:25
  Speaker A: Then you don't know what that says.
• 37:27
  Speaker B: As a matter of fact, we should reverse the goal and see what that says on the picture.
• 37:32
  Speaker A: No, why are you playing? See, this is the case.
• 37:35
  Speaker B: I'm just curious about what it says in Hebrew.
• 37:39
  Speaker A: Okay, do that on your own time, not with me. That is not a common mystics activity. That is a Jill activity.
• 37:45
  Speaker B: Is that like, if it would be like this box belongs to the hag that you will dream about, I would think like you would want to know what that says.
• 37:53
  Speaker A: I don't want to know what that says. So we are not going to talk about that anymore. That's some creepy shit. That is. That is horror movie shit. That is Exorcist, the priest in Egypt.
• 38:06
  Speaker B: There's a whole other page on this box. You have to keep talking about this.
• 38:11
  Speaker A: Oh, okay.
• 38:13
  Speaker B: I'm sorry to burst your bubble.
• 38:16
  Speaker A: Haxton stated that all of his issues vanished when he followed a rabbi's advice. Okay, good, I'm glad. He sought out a rabbi to place the cabinet in a gold lined wooden container. And apparently that would, according to the rabbi, negate whatever entity was inside. And so he now keeps it all locked up in a military grade case which he buried. Okay, good. Thank you, Rabbi. So you got to reach out. That's when you reach out to the church and we all talk about the church. I'm sure I don't know if Jews talk about their, their synagogues or temples. We all talk about the church, but at the end of the day, that's where my ass is going to be.
• 38:57
  Speaker B: If I think I have a hundred percent. 100%.
• 39:02
  Speaker A: That's where my. That's where you will find me in the pew.
• 39:05
  Speaker B: Thousands, thousands of people have offered to buy the box for any price.
• 39:11
  Speaker A: See?
• 39:12
  Speaker B: Does he sell it?
• 39:14
  Speaker A: Well, he says it is unethical for him to sell it.
• 39:18
  Speaker B: I agree.
• 39:19
  Speaker A: And he's Also, apparently, he's not worried right now about the resurgence of the box. He believes that the dybbuk's unfinished business has finally been laid to rest because he buried it. Yeah, he. In a surprising twist, he now sees the energy of the Dybbuk box as a sort of rejuvenation or, quote, fountain of youth.
• 39:44
  Speaker B: Okay.
• 39:45
  Speaker A: Yeah, I don't.
• 39:46
  Speaker B: He's not right. I thought he was okay when he's like, it's not ethical for me to sell, but now he's like, I've been making love to it so I can stay young.
• 39:54
  Speaker A: Yeah. He's like, now my vital signs are better than it was when I was 40 years old. And he's like, I have this vitality because of this box. Yeah, no, that's.
• 40:03
  Speaker B: See that?
• 40:04
  Speaker A: You know what that means? Deucing him?
• 40:06
  Speaker B: Yes.
• 40:06
  Speaker A: The. The dick is getting in his head.
• 40:10
  Speaker B: Yes. Yes, that's what it is. The box is like. The box is like, I'm not so bad.
• 40:16
  Speaker A: I hope y'all are learning something here. Don't freaking listen to demons do.
• 40:22
  Speaker B: I mean, if something's scary as fuck and you bury it and you go to a rabbi, and then all of a sudden you're like, you know what? It's not so bad. You're under the thrall of the box.
• 40:33
  Speaker A: Not only is it not so bad, it's my fountain of youth, it's my vital signs of.
• 40:37
  Speaker B: Just amazing right now. I don't know how it happened. This is wonderful. Here, check out my box. No, no, Haxton, that is not right.
• 40:46
  Speaker A: Don't do that. Can we get a hold of this guy?
• 40:50
  Speaker B: I don't. I don't. I don't want to get ahold of him and be like, hey, dumbass, you're. You're under the possession of a demonic box.
• 40:59
  Speaker A: Hey. Oh, my God. So today, I just read this in your outline. So today, in real time, the market is flooded with Dybbuk boxes. So apparently you can go online and buy a Dybbuk box Everywhere, anywhere from $20 to a thousand dollars. Seriously, you guys, come on, come on, don't do that.
• 41:22
  Speaker B: There's only one real box, right? And right now it's the fountain of the youth for hacksters.
• 41:27
  Speaker A: So I doubt these are probably, like, fakes or knockoffs.
• 41:31
  Speaker B: Yeah, they're just.
• 41:32
  Speaker A: Oh, my God right now.
• 41:34
  Speaker B: But to have one. Oh, my God, even to have a fake one, like, to see you open it and Christmas.
• 41:40
  Speaker A: Do not buy me a dybbuk box for Christmas.
• 41:43
  Speaker B: That's funny.
• 41:44
  Speaker A: You put Your own hair in it.
• 41:46
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 41:46
  Speaker A: Kill you. I would kill you so hard. Okay, ready? There's another one you put in here.
• 41:52
  Speaker B: Oh, a next object.
• 41:53
  Speaker A: Yes. It is a very creepy rocking horse.
• 41:57
  Speaker B: It is. It is. It is very, very creepy.
• 42:02
  Speaker A: It is a messed up rocking horse.
• 42:04
  Speaker B: His expression is just as shocked as I am when I look at it. Like, I'm like, I don't know what I'm looking at. It is. It is a very messed up rocking horse.
• 42:15
  Speaker A: So this rocking horse is circa early 20th century. It is. It is made of wood, so splinters.
• 42:22
  Speaker B: Be careful.
• 42:23
  Speaker A: Not the best choice. And it once belonged to a family who is deeply connected to the supernatural. And it was passed down through the generations to the current owner. Her name is Kelly, and she is the great granddaughter of a medium, a psychic medium named Dick Godden. And Dick Godden allegedly used the horse. Oh, here we go. In spirit summoning seances.
• 42:58
  Speaker B: I. I don't know how he would use it other than be like, you think you're scary? Check this out. Like, how do you use the horse?
• 43:05
  Speaker A: I think, I think I've seen on the different shows where they put an object and I say they. A ghost hunter would put an object that's easily manipulated like a ball. Right. Something that you take like a little, like, push and it can roll. Right, Right. So a rocking horse kind of makes sense because it. It rocks, so it has some easy motion. So a ghost doesn't have to expend so much energy to make it move.
• 43:31
  Speaker B: Expensive and large. Like, if I'm going to do a seance, I'm not going to bring my wooden ass.
• 43:37
  Speaker A: Like, well, that's what this guy did. Okay.
• 43:39
  Speaker B: Oh, well, okay. I disagree. I disagree with his methods.
• 43:43
  Speaker A: It is a gray dappled pony. This is what the ebay. This sounds like. It's. It's like, it's ebay description. And it carries a spine chilling story. So apparently Kelly, the current owner, was enthralled with tales of her great grandfather's exploits, which makes. Makes sense. I would be too. And her great grandfather one day came home after whatever it was that he did, and he found that the rocking horse was mysteriously placed in, like, the center of the living room, even though that's not where it was when he left and nobody was home during the day.
• 44:24
  Speaker B: It was saying, I'm ready to be your conduit to the other side. I'm ready.
• 44:28
  Speaker A: Okay.
• 44:29
  Speaker B: That's what. The horse rocked his way into the middle of the room.
• 44:33
  Speaker A: Yeah, I mean, that's creepy. That would make me Stop. That would take me aback.
• 44:37
  Speaker B: You do? If I lived with, like, my sisters, that would. I would be like, they're with me.
• 44:43
  Speaker A: Of course. Yeah, but if you lived, like, by yourself and you knew nobody was home and then your horse moved to the middle of the room. That's. That's creepy.
• 44:50
  Speaker B: That's really. And the. The horse I used to summon spirits. Yeah. I would be afraid.
• 44:55
  Speaker A: So, Kelly. I already said. Her family has a long history with spiritualism. In fact, she went to her first sans when she was just 15. However, now she is a holistic therapist, and she has embraced Christianity and has kind of taken a turn away from spiritualism. And her newfound faith has driven her to part with the rocking horse. She finds it unsettling now that she is Christian.
• 45:26
  Speaker B: I mean, you can be both. You can be a Christian and a spiritualist.
• 45:32
  Speaker A: I mean, I don't have a problem with her wanting to get rid of it now. Do you?
• 45:38
  Speaker B: Again, if you think it's creepy and you have bad feelings about it, you give it away or you, like, burn it. You see what I'm saying? Yeah, you burn the shit.
• 45:45
  Speaker A: You burn it. Okay.
• 45:46
  Speaker B: So.
• 45:47
  Speaker A: So she recalls that she would hear disembodied footsteps when the horse was around and unexplained bangs from, like, upstairs when nobody was up there.
• 46:02
  Speaker B: And of course, she would think, like, something fell, right?
• 46:04
  Speaker A: Of course. Yeah, she said. More than once, I heard a huge bang from one of the rooms upstairs. Thinking it was something falling off a windowsill, I would rush up there only to find everything perfectly in place. It definitely made me wonder right now. Godden, her great grandfather, was a renowned paranormal investigator who believed that a young spirit named Angela was drawn to the rocking horse, claiming she played on it during these gatherings. And legend has it that God once summoned Angela's spirit and she confessed to rocking on this very toy. Okay, what do you think of this? You think Angela is attached to this horse?
• 46:52
  Speaker B: I think it could be possible. I also think, like, energy brings, like, energy. So if you have a spirit rocking on the horse and they're calling other spirits, they may be like, hey, look, Angela's down there. You know?
• 47:03
  Speaker A: You know what? I would think this is more haunted than cursed, though. I mean, this is not the Dybbuk box, and this is not the. The painting. This is more mild. It's just. It's banging. It's. She wants to. She wants to make contact. Yeah, she wants to play, so.
• 47:20
  Speaker B: Still not cool, though.
• 47:22
  Speaker A: Not cool. But I don't. I don't know that I would Call this cursed. So Kelly is preparing to sell this rocking horse. And I believe. I don't know, she's get. I don't know where Kelly is located, but she's giving.
• 47:35
  Speaker B: She's in Kent, England.
• 47:37
  Speaker A: Oh, she's in Kent, England. O. So she is expecting to attract bids between 200 pounds and 300 pounds at auction. Is this, is this current information, Jill? Like, can people go on right now and. And look for this horse and bid on this horse? Wow.
• 47:54
  Speaker B: I don't exactly know, but we can.
• 47:55
  Speaker A: Well, you let us know, folks, if you buy yourself a haunted rocking horse with Angela. With. With Angela attached to it. Another famous cursed object is the Hope Diamond.
• 48:09
  Speaker B: Tell me about the Hope Diamond, Jennifer.
• 48:13
  Speaker A: It is a large blue stone with a dark history.
• 48:19
  Speaker B: It's beautiful.
• 48:21
  Speaker A: Legend has it that this gem brings misfortune to its owners, and that belief is rooted in its history. The curse, the purported curse on the Hope diamond is said to have begun in the 17th century when the diamond was stolen from an idol in India.
• 48:42
  Speaker B: That do it? You don't be stealing from idols.
• 48:47
  Speaker A: Did it. Did the British steal it? Was it, Was it?
• 48:51
  Speaker B: I'm not gonna. I'm not gonna point fingers at the crown, but what's up is that right now it's in America.
• 48:59
  Speaker A: So you don't take a stone out of an idol.
• 49:04
  Speaker B: No, you don't continue.
• 49:06
  Speaker A: Wow. And since then, all of its possessors have faced tragic fates. I shouldn't say all, but some of its most notable possessors have faced tragic fates.
• 49:17
  Speaker B: Can you, can you go down the list of some of the people we know that might have owned the Hope Diamond?
• 49:23
  Speaker A: Well, yeah, one of the people was Louis XIV of France.
• 49:29
  Speaker B: I know him.
• 49:30
  Speaker A: Yeah. He had the diamond recut into a stunning 67 carat heart shape. And he had it set in gold and on a neck ribbon. Wow. That's probably bad for your back to have this huge, huge blue diamond hanging off your neck. And it became known as the blue diamond of the crown, or the French blue. Fast forward to the French Revolution. And the diamond was lost in the looting of the Crown Jewels in 1792 after Louis XVI, the grandson of Louis XIV and Marie Antoinette, had tried to escape. You know, I think Louis XIV is his grandson, but now that I'm saying that I might be wrong, I don't think so.
• 50:19
  Speaker B: But my question is about Louis XVI and Marie Antoinette. What became of them?
• 50:26
  Speaker A: Just, they were famously executed during the French Revolution.
• 50:33
  Speaker B: Okay, and then what about this Daniel Feller?
• 50:36
  Speaker A: Daniel Eliason was a diamond merchant from London who sold the diamond to King George IV of Britain in 1812. And this outline doesn't tell me anything that happened to him.
• 50:49
  Speaker B: He made a good sale.
• 50:53
  Speaker A: Yeah. So it goes. It. It's. The stone changed hands several times and got into the hands of Pierre Cartier, who put the diamond up for sale in 1910. And it was bought by Evelyn Walsh McLean and her husband Ned, apparently two individuals who are wealthy af and right. Evelyn Walsh McLean wore the diamond as a good luck charm, but it's said that she experienced a string of bad luck while she owned it, including. Ooh. Her son died in a car accident, her daughter took her own life, and her husband was declared insane. Eek. Today, the Hope diamond is on display at the Smithsonian in Washington, D.C. what do you think? I am less convinced by this one, to be honest, than all the rest.
• 51:46
  Speaker B: Agreed.
• 51:47
  Speaker A: Yeah.
• 51:47
  Speaker B: I don't think this is. I don't think this is cursed at all.
• 51:49
  Speaker A: I don't think this is cursed either.
• 51:51
  Speaker B: I love the history of it, to be honest. Good history. But let's get to a famous one that I'm sure everyone knows.
• 52:01
  Speaker A: Annabelle. Annabelle, the famous cursed dollar who was actually a Raggedy Ann doll.
• 52:11
  Speaker B: Why would you name a Raggedy Ann doll Annabelle? It bothers me. That's Raggedy Ann. That ain't no.
• 52:17
  Speaker A: Yeah, she already has a name.
• 52:19
  Speaker B: She already has a name and a brother.
• 52:24
  Speaker A: Yeah. Annabelle was once showcased in the now defunct occult museum of paranormal investigators, Ed and Lorraine Warren. You remember them?
• 52:34
  Speaker B: I remember.
• 52:35
  Speaker A: The Morins are probably the most famous paranormal investigators ever. Probably true. They're of the Amityville and the conjuring universe. That's if you're into horror movies. Annabelle, the unsettling doll, was brought to the museum following a series of chilling hauntings. In 1970, Annabelle Espresso inspired a character that has become one of the most iconic antagonists in the entire Conjuring universe.
• 53:08
  Speaker B: So tell me a story that happened with this doll from the 70s.
• 53:12
  Speaker A: So in 1970, there was a student nurse and she had this doll. She had a Raggedy Ann doll. And soon after she got it, strange things began to happen. And so she associated the strange things with this doll that she had just recently acquired. And she called a psychic medium. And a psychic medium said that the doll was possessed by the spirit of a girl named Annabelle. Well, there you go, Jill.
• 53:43
  Speaker B: Yeah, that's where the name comes from.
• 53:46
  Speaker A: Despite the nurse and her roommate trying to take care of it, the doll just got more and more creepy and mean. Whoa. It's interesting because there's not A lot of information from the actual source about what the doll was actually doing or what the details were of these strange events surrounding the doll.
• 54:07
  Speaker B: Right.
• 54:08
  Speaker A: Like.
• 54:09
  Speaker B: But there is a report from Ed and Lorraine Warren about the situation and how they had to step in and they ended up taking the doll to their museum, which I find interesting because like you said earlier, the Conjuring universe, this multi million dollar franchise, is centered around this doll that we know about from Ed and Lorraine Warren.
• 54:39
  Speaker A: You got it. That's exactly what I was thinking. And so, just like you, many have questioned the stories that have come out of this situation. And I mean, honestly, the motives of the Warrens building a museum of cursed objects that of course would then be turned into books and movies, et cetera. What are your thoughts? Is Annabelle real?
• 55:07
  Speaker B: I do not believe Annabelle's real.
• 55:10
  Speaker A: I think either. I don't either.
• 55:11
  Speaker B: I don't think Annabelle's real. I. I think that the Warrens knew how to wield publicity around what they were doing and that was to make money off of these things.
• 55:25
  Speaker A: Do you think the Warrens actually had abilities, psychic abilities?
• 55:31
  Speaker B: Yes, I do.
• 55:32
  Speaker A: But they were also self promoters and business people who were building something savvy.
• 55:38
  Speaker B: On how to create an empire surrounding these things. What do you think?
• 55:42
  Speaker A: Right, right. I agree 100%. And I think it goes back to something you and I talk about all the time, where people who are true, talented psychics, true talented spiritual people, can also be self promoters, can also be dishonest. They are not mutually exclusive.
• 56:06
  Speaker B: So, Jennifer, the last cursed object I have for you in this outline.
• 56:12
  Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. Is a mirror.
• 56:17
  Speaker B: It is a mirror.
• 56:18
  Speaker A: We talked on one of our Patreon episodes, how mirrors can often be portals and have been used as portals and scrying tools for centuries. So apparently at the Myrtles Plantation there is a mysterious mirror.
• 56:37
  Speaker B: And the Myrtles plantation is in St. Francisville, Louisiana. It's a famously haunted plantation that. That is well known throughout the country.
• 56:47
  Speaker A: As one of the most haunted hotels in the world.
• 56:52
  Speaker B: That's right.
• 56:53
  Speaker A: Okay. So. Located in Louisiana's Myrtles Plantation, this fascinating mirror is believed to be home to the spirits of the former owners who once lived there. And the plantation itself has a very rich history dating back to the early 19th century. Visitors often say that when they look into this mirror, they can see the reflection of a woman who tragically died in the house, often described as a sad figure in white. Wow. And the tales about this mirror have caught the attention of ghost hunters and paranormal fans, and many of them share spine chilling experiences. About strange happenings that have occurred during their visit. Hmm. What are your thoughts on this, Jill?
• 57:47
  Speaker B: Well, what's interesting is that I knew nothing of this mirror. And yet you and I had gone to the Myrtles Plantation. And I went to my phone and I looked up St. Francisville in my pictures. And every picture we took in that area came up. And I noticed that I have several pictures of you and I in the mirror. And I remember taking the pictures because it looked creepy as fuck.
• 58:18
  Speaker A: Yeah.
• 58:19
  Speaker B: And then I know you stood into the pictures because you knew that shit was creepy as fuck.
• 58:23
  Speaker A: Yeah. If you notice, you can even see me in this photograph that I'm looking at. I'm standing far away from it. I'm behind you.
• 58:31
  Speaker B: Is this actually the mirror?
• 58:34
  Speaker A: The mirror? Yeah. Shut up.
• 58:36
  Speaker B: No, I'm. Shut up.
• 58:37
  Speaker A: So when you and I went to the Myrtles.
• 58:40
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 58:40
  Speaker A: And we stayed at the Myrtles and we were taking pictures. We took pictures of this cursed mirror and we didn't even know it.
• 58:46
  Speaker B: We didn't know it. And we were. We were obviously drawn.
• 58:48
  Speaker A: Drawn to it. Yes.
• 58:50
  Speaker B: Because I didn't take a picture of us in the clock. I didn't take a picture of us in, like, the portraits.
• 58:54
  Speaker A: And that's your pre oic stage now. You don't look anything like that.
• 58:59
  Speaker B: Stop it. That's so me.
• 59:01
  Speaker A: Wow. This.
• 59:03
  Speaker B: That's.
• 59:03
  Speaker A: That's really something. You can. It almost looks bent.
• 59:07
  Speaker B: It does. It does.
• 59:09
  Speaker A: Wow. Wow. Why don't you post all of these pictures on our Facebook Common Mystics podcast?
• 59:17
  Speaker B: Okay. Okay.
• 59:18
  Speaker A: And then all the pictures will be free for anyone. And I encourage anyone who loves us and loves our content to come on over to Patreon and maybe join one of our tiers so that you can get even more exciting conversation and content.
• 59:35
  Speaker B: I mean, honestly, you guys, Jennifer and I love doing this podcast free for you guys and we seriously appreciate all your listening. If you can find in your heart to support US even at $5, that would be amazing. We're trying to make this our full time jobs.
• 59:54
  Speaker A: You know what? We love and appreciate all of our listeners. It is our Patreon group that keeps us going. If it wasn't for our Patreon group, we would have thrown in the towel like years ago.
• 1:00:06
  Speaker B: It's true.
• 1:00:07
  Speaker A: So thank you.
• 1:00:08
  Speaker B: I just want to say thank you guys so much. Happy Halloween.
• 1:00:11
  Speaker A: Happy Halloween. Be safe.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker B: Happy New Year. Happy New Year's to our Wiccan listeners. We love you guys.
• 1:00:19
  Speaker A: Love you.
• 1:00:20
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• 1:00:32
  Speaker A: Anything else?
• 1:00:33
  Speaker B: I can't think of it.
• 1:00:34
  Speaker A: Well done. All right, thank you. Love you. Bye.
• 1:00:36
  Speaker B: Thank you. Bye, guys. Love you. Happy Halloween. This has been a common Mystics media production.