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Chuck & Buck 12-15 Hour 4: MMQB with Mike Holmgren and Hugh Millen · Chuck in the Morning

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  Speaker 1: Grin and Hugh Millen.
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  Speaker 3: Here's Chuck and Buck.
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  Speaker 4: Coach got ambushed before I could get into the studio here.
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  Speaker 3: Today he's famous. Yeah, he's a big deal out there.
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  Speaker 5: No, they're having a meeting and uh, you know, I've
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  Speaker 5: been in too many meetings in my life, and I
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  Speaker 5: tried to get out of there, but someone grabbed me
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  Speaker 5: he said, we need you in the meeting.
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  Speaker 3: I said, no, I'm not.
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  Speaker 2: I got to work to do.
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  Speaker 4: And then Ron Wolf ever do that to you when
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  Speaker 4: your workday was done, He just scheduled a meeting to
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  Speaker 4: keep you sticking around for like an hour more at
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  Speaker 4: the end of the night.
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  Speaker 3: You know you'd prepared. No, you know what a meeting
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  Speaker 3: with everybody?
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  Speaker 5: No, you know what it was. We were there so
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  Speaker 5: late anyway. No, No, he never did that. Bless his heart.
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  Speaker 5: He knew we worked hard enough.
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  Speaker 2: Mike Homerin is here.
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  Speaker 4: Hugh Millen is here. Monday Morning Quarterback continues as we
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  Speaker 4: react to the seahawks eighteen sixteen win over the Indianapolis
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  Speaker 4: Colts yesterday for their eleventh win of the year. How
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  Speaker 4: did you feel when you didn't score a touchdown that
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  Speaker 4: day but you won the game?
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  Speaker 5: Well, I felt good, But then I knew we had
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  Speaker 5: some work to do, you know. Yeah, it was a
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  Speaker 5: different game.
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  Speaker 3: It was.
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  Speaker 5: I want to first of all, applaud Indianapolis and how
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  Speaker 5: they did that because there had just advantage because of
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  Speaker 5: the quarterback situation, and they had some injuries on defense
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  Speaker 5: to particularly a corner, and they had come up with
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  Speaker 5: a strategy. I think this is how we're going to
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  Speaker 5: have to win the game by doing this.
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  Speaker 3: And I harkened back to it.
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  Speaker 5: We played Dallas one year and we were injured, they
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  Speaker 5: were good, and I in my mind, I said, this
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  Speaker 5: is our only chance. This is how we're going to
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  Speaker 5: have to play this game, and we're going to win
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  Speaker 5: in the end with a field goal. I said that
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  Speaker 5: in my mind, And the game was going exactly like
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  Speaker 5: that until we fumbled the kickoff return. Oh, and that
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  Speaker 5: that was it game over. We can't overcome that. And
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  Speaker 5: I think Indianapolis kind of played the game that way well.
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  Speaker 6: There was no turnovers yesterday both teams until the very
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  Speaker 6: end of the last play, essentially last play of the game.
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  Speaker 6: Every drive started as a result of a kickoff or
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  Speaker 6: a in that Mike, had you been in that situation,
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  Speaker 6: you know, Rivers hits the tight end over the middle
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  Speaker 6: Warren that was probably his best ball and the back shoulders.
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  Speaker 3: So that was late in the game.
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  Speaker 2: But had you been, do you think you might have.
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  Speaker 6: Been tempted like, Okay, you know, maybe we can flexus
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  Speaker 6: out a little bit more, push the ball down the
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  Speaker 6: field a little bit more, or would you just say nope,
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  Speaker 6: I'm going to go sixty minutes, and I'm just keeping
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  Speaker 6: everything like in this little cocoon. Our passing game is
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  Speaker 6: in a cocoon. We're not going to try it as
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  Speaker 6: if the way teams play when it's thirty five mile
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  Speaker 6: an hour win Like we can't throw the ball deep
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  Speaker 6: down the field. Let's just you know, dink and dunk short.
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  Speaker 6: What have you been tempted to deviate from that plan
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  Speaker 6: or do you think you had just kept with it?
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  Speaker 6: Had you been the Colt coach yesterday, I.
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  Speaker 5: Would have absolutely deviated from the plan. I think, knowing
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  Speaker 5: how I used to do things, I'm not saying that.
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  Speaker 5: I'm not saying that's right. I'm just saying I thought
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  Speaker 5: they had a good strategy. Actually, but I'm watching the game,
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  Speaker 5: and here, what to your point, I'm going, yeah, call it,
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  Speaker 5: throw it, throw it, yeah, throw it, throw another one,
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  Speaker 5: you know, and you know they didn't do that. And
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  Speaker 5: the couple throws and a couple of the kids made
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  Speaker 5: the players made great catches, and but they didn't. They
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  Speaker 5: didn't do that. And I'm looking at Philip because I
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  Speaker 5: you know, we talked about it last week. I know
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  Speaker 5: him a little bit and how he played and how
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  Speaker 5: he thinks a little bit. Uh, and I'm watching it,
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  Speaker 5: I'm going I'm not sure I'm correct on this, but
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  Speaker 5: my my own feeling was, yeah, he's for Yeah, this
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  Speaker 5: is this is who I think he is. But I
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  Speaker 5: would say this too. Not many people could do what
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  Speaker 5: he did. No, I wouldn't think so No, So you know, gosh,
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  Speaker 5: give him credit for that. And he threw the touchdown
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  Speaker 5: pass and.
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  Speaker 2: A'm a chance to win?
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  Speaker 5: They absolutely absolutely, unlet's the see Ox do that miraculous
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  Speaker 5: thing at the end like they they they look like
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  Speaker 5: they can do.
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  Speaker 7: EBB done. They went, m Yeah, Well, I mean, coach,
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  Speaker 7: when it comes to the way in which they came
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  Speaker 7: out with their game plan, I mean, just to the
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  Speaker 7: Phillis Phyllis, I call him Phillips Rivers when he was
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  Speaker 7: a San Diego Charger, but Philip Rivers when it comes
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  Speaker 7: to the way in which they weren't going to push
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  Speaker 7: the ball down the field a whole heck of a lot, right,
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  Speaker 7: I mean, he just hasn't had much time to work
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  Speaker 7: out the timing with those guys, and so it was
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  Speaker 7: kind of dinking and duncan were you surprised that it
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  Speaker 7: took him a while to kind of then suck up
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  Speaker 7: on that and then challenge them to go over the
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  Speaker 7: top or was that something you would have expected as
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  Speaker 7: just all right, that's fine. If they do that, we're
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  Speaker 7: gonna tackle them and eventually we'll force them to punt
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  Speaker 7: and if they get field goals, we'll end up winning
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  Speaker 7: that game plan in the long run.
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  Speaker 3: You're talking about the Seahawks.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, Seahawks, And they didn't really adjust it. It seemed like
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  Speaker 7: it took him a while to kind of come up
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  Speaker 7: and take those short ones away.
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  Speaker 5: It didn't until they did that they they had a
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  Speaker 5: they were I thought they were going to lose the game.
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  Speaker 5: You know, I'm looking at Indianapoli did a good job
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  Speaker 5: of shortening the game in the first half. You know,
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  Speaker 5: they had they had drives of you know, eight nine plays,
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  Speaker 5: ten plays. The Seahawks did not. Indianapolis had the ball.
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  Speaker 5: And so if you're gonna play the whole game like that,
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  Speaker 5: we got to force them. We got to get them
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  Speaker 5: off the field in three downs, four downs, so we
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  Speaker 5: have some chances on offense. And I think they did
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  Speaker 5: that in the second The two halves were different that way,
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  Speaker 5: and so yeah, they made the adjustment at halftime, and
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  Speaker 5: I think they came after a little bit more buck
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  Speaker 5: but look at they've rushed four guys all season long,
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  Speaker 5: but then the secondary squeeze them just a little bit.
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  Speaker 3: But that was the act of a game.
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  Speaker 5: And I you know, it's a great win for the Hawks,
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  Speaker 5: and it'll come down to Thursday night now, you know,
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  Speaker 5: like we thought it would.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, But I just wanted to give.
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  Speaker 5: Indianapolis some credit to because that was a tough, tough
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  Speaker 5: gonna be a tough game, and they they played, they
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  Speaker 5: did what they could do.
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  Speaker 4: Mike Homer and Hugh Mellan with us Monday morning quarterback session,
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  Speaker 4: and we didn't bring this up with Hughes, so I
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  Speaker 4: want Hugh to weigh in on this topic as well.
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  Speaker 4: But obviously the timeout usage by Mike McDonald at the
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  Speaker 4: end of the game ended up being game saving for
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  Speaker 4: this team. But I would argue if that would have
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  Speaker 4: happened five years ago, maybe even three years ago, people
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  Speaker 4: would have thought he was completely out of his mind
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  Speaker 4: by the way these kickers can kick and the way
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  Speaker 4: they've changed the kickoff rules. Him preserving those timeouts, even
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  Speaker 4: though it felt odd for people that are been watching
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  Speaker 4: football for a long time, ended up being the saving grace.
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  Speaker 4: What did you think is that was unfolding the both
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  Speaker 4: of you. I'll start with you, coach, what did you
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  Speaker 4: What were you thinking as that was unfolding? Is he
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  Speaker 4: just kept killing the clock and calling time out so
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  Speaker 4: he could save Sam time just in case they kicked
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  Speaker 4: a field goal.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I thought I was questioning it, to be honest
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  Speaker 5: with you, how that happened, because if you're going to
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  Speaker 5: get the wrong ball back in the year behind, you
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  Speaker 5: want to have some time.
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  Speaker 3: I'm outs.
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  Speaker 5: It was kind of remarkable to me that they got
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  Speaker 5: the ball back with forty two seconds no timeouts. Yeah,
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  Speaker 5: and they had a ways to go, not very far
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  Speaker 5: because kickers now place kickers can kick at seventy yards,
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  Speaker 5: but they you know, it worked for him, but it
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  Speaker 5: almost didn't.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: So the fact that and we can do this a
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  Speaker 5: lot in football, and we've done it, the three of
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  Speaker 5: us have done it. The four of us have done
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  Speaker 5: a fair amount. It worked, So it worked. If it
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  Speaker 5: doesn't it doesn't work, they do that. Well, didn't do that, right,
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  Speaker 5: So but it really worked for him.
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  Speaker 6: Well as far as me, I mean, I got text
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  Speaker 6: with my friends. I don't understand what all the fuss
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  Speaker 6: is about. To me, it seemed like that was the
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  Speaker 6: obvious thing to do, because they get the third and
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  Speaker 6: seven and they get the sixteen yard game to the
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  Speaker 6: Seattle forty nine. So so now the Colts they run
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  Speaker 6: the ball, you know, at a minute and twelve, so
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  Speaker 6: the prior play had been one fifty five. Now you're
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  Speaker 6: down to one twelve. To me, it's like they're gonna
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  Speaker 6: They're gonna kill forty seconds and then you know, and
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  Speaker 6: then forty like a courl like, well, of course you're
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  Speaker 6: gonna use the timeouts because the alternative is is then
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  Speaker 6: because you went a minute and twelve, if they if
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  Speaker 6: they run off thirty you know, call it forty seconds.
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  Speaker 6: So you're at seventy two seconds. Now you take you know,
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  Speaker 6: close to forty Off of that, you're at you know,
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  Speaker 6: thirty four seconds. And then I mean they can they
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  Speaker 6: can run it right down and and kick the field
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  Speaker 6: goal with two seconds to go. So I thought it
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  Speaker 6: was kind of self obvious. I I you know, maybe
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  Speaker 6: I'm I'm just being chuck influenced by the last five
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  Speaker 6: years and and the distance these kickers can kick. So
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  Speaker 6: maybe that's true, But I don't really see the argument
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  Speaker 6: for doing it any other way.
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  Speaker 4: Well, the argument is, I mean, they could have done
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  Speaker 4: that anyway. You could have burned your timeouts, they could
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  Speaker 4: have gotten the first down, and then they could have
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  Speaker 4: still taken it down to two seconds. And I'm I
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  Speaker 4: loved it. But the argument is that if you you're
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  Speaker 4: really kind of counting that that guy can't make a
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  Speaker 4: sixty yard field goal, okay, then when he does make
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  Speaker 4: it and he's like the thirteenth cult kicker this year,
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  Speaker 4: this isn't like. This isn't like Brandon Aubrey or Jason Myers.
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  Speaker 4: This is like the you know, I don't even know
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  Speaker 4: where they found this four foot three inch kicker, but
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  Speaker 4: they found one.
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  Speaker 5: Well yeah, anything also weigh one hundred and thirty pounds.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, they found one. But if you if he
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  Speaker 5: misses it, then you get the ball. Then they can
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  Speaker 5: stop you with their three timeouts, right, I think ballack.
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  Speaker 6: I'm sorry, Chris no, yeah, yeah no. But Mike, I
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  Speaker 6: think there's something. This is why I like calling the timeout.
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  Speaker 6: I think something happens to both teams when you do that.
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  Speaker 6: I think you tell your defense. Mike McDonald's telling your
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  Speaker 6: defense like it's now it's this series because they called
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  Speaker 6: the time out after Taylor went up the middle for
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  Speaker 6: no game. All right, So maybe maybe the result of
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  Speaker 6: the play influence. So now you got second and ten,
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  Speaker 6: you're telling your defense you got to get this stop
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  Speaker 6: on this series, no more first downs, And I think
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  Speaker 6: that heightens their intensity. And then I think the other team, Mike,
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  Speaker 6: and you'd be able to you're the play caller when
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  Speaker 6: when they call the time out, is it not easy
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  Speaker 6: to be influenced, like, okay, time is possession or you know,
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  Speaker 6: the time is really critical and and you're more likely
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  Speaker 6: to run yourself. Maybe you wouldn't be influenced that way,
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  Speaker 6: but it just seems like if I watch a bunch
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  Speaker 6: of football games, it kind of the other coach reply
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  Speaker 6: responds by going, yeah, you're right, you know, it's time
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  Speaker 6: to really work the clock and then and then they're
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  Speaker 6: more likely to run the ball as opposed to maybe
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  Speaker 6: do a play action pass.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I think that's absolutely you're absolutely right. The other
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  Speaker 5: factor is Philip Rivers is playing. You know, if it's
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  Speaker 5: if it's someone else, if it's the Seahawks, flip it.
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  Speaker 5: If it's the Seahawks on offense, they're not gonna run
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  Speaker 5: it in that situation they're gonna pass the ball or
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  Speaker 5: play action pass or do something like that. They were
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  Speaker 5: pretty sure they were gonna run it, and so then
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  Speaker 5: it made all the sense in the world.
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  Speaker 7: Actually, you're right, is there was there times when they
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  Speaker 7: were getting stopped on third down. I'm speakinning of the
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  Speaker 7: Seahawks offense, and you're like, well, that's kind of getting
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  Speaker 7: you're putting yourself in that position. We kind of touched
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  Speaker 7: on it a little bit, but to me, there's we're
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  Speaker 7: not just starting the season. This is we're ways in
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  Speaker 7: this thing. We're got just the final stretch drive. And
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  Speaker 7: yet it's abundantly clear they're gonna run the ball more
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  Speaker 7: than anybody else does. And yet there's then that's sometimes
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  Speaker 7: you find yourself yesterday they couldn't run the ball very well,
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  Speaker 7: weren't getting anything, and so you're in the third and
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  Speaker 7: sevens and third and eights, and those aren't the third
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  Speaker 7: and manageables that you want. Is there at this point
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  Speaker 7: do you think that Klint Kubiak needs to just step
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  Speaker 7: away from that to some degree and say that's let
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  Speaker 7: Darnald sling the thing around a little bit, or is
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  Speaker 7: this the recipe that's going to work. I mean, they're
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  Speaker 7: eleven and three, so it's hard to argue with the
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  Speaker 7: way it's working so far.
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  Speaker 5: That's the thing that they have to That's the thing
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  Speaker 5: that's interesting to me because look at the last three game.
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  Speaker 5: Let's go back last three games. They played teams without
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  Speaker 5: their quarterback. You know they okay, so that's and they've won,
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  Speaker 5: so good for them. Then they they're in a position
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  Speaker 5: now to win the whole thing. But this they're going
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  Speaker 5: to have to, I think against the Rams or against
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  Speaker 5: the forty nine ers, they're going to have to run
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  Speaker 5: the ball better. And if you can't. And you guys
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  Speaker 5: have teased me about this before. The writers teach me
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  Speaker 5: about it. When I went in my my thing and said, okay,
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  Speaker 5: on a Monday morning after a game, I said, that's
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  Speaker 5: the last time you're going to see me call runs.
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  Speaker 5: We're going to pass the whole game because I was
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  Speaker 5: angry about what had what had happened. Very immature on
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  Speaker 5: my part, but you know, to your point, Buck, yeah,
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  Speaker 5: you know it wasn't working. If it's not working, first
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  Speaker 5: of all, analyze why it isn't working. Do I think
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  Speaker 5: it can work by doing something else, or do I
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  Speaker 5: have to change. And yesterday I thought they waited a
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  Speaker 5: little too long to change and open it up a
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  Speaker 5: little bit because the run game wasn't there yesterday.
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  Speaker 4: There, Yeah, there was a huddle Clint could be called
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  Speaker 4: a huddle for the offense.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Do you think that was born out of sloppiness and effectiveness?
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  Speaker 2: Was at a wake up call?
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  Speaker 3: What do you think went into that? All those things?
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  Speaker 5: Anytime I had and I had to do that on occasion,
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  Speaker 5: I didn't leave it up to the coordinator. Well, the
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  Speaker 5: coordinator was upstairs, but I was I could go over
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  Speaker 5: there and chat with them and kind of let them know.
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  Speaker 5: I was a little disappointed what was going on. And
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  Speaker 5: we got to ramp it up, you know. And and
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  Speaker 5: but one time I went over there to the offensive
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  Speaker 5: line to just to talk to the offensive line because
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  Speaker 5: we were we were not doing well. And Tom Labat,
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  Speaker 5: who was my offensive line coach, a great guy and
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  Speaker 5: a mentor to me. We used to take polaroid pictures
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  Speaker 5: of what was happening, you know, not they don't have iPad.
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  Speaker 5: We didn't have iPads polaroids, So we're doing draw Let
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  Speaker 5: me see the pictures. He goes, No, I said, give
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  Speaker 5: me the I said, give me, Please give me the pictures,
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  Speaker 5: I said, and so then I kind of ripped the
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  Speaker 5: offensive line. But you have to do that every once. Well,
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  Speaker 5: if you feel they need a little jolt.
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  Speaker 6: Mike, I'd like to talk about the red zone. In
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  Speaker 6: the beginning of the eight o'clock hour, I had cited
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  Speaker 6: a stat for for those who didn't hear it over
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  Speaker 6: the last five weeks. Uh, the red zon own fringe.
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  Speaker 6: When you get into the opponent's forty yard line, you know,
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  Speaker 6: just outside the red zone. This when the Seahawks do that,
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  Speaker 6: they kick a field goal sixty nine point seven. We
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  Speaker 6: call it seventy percent of the time. That's not only
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  Speaker 6: is that number one in the NFL. The gap between
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  Speaker 6: number one and two is greater than the gap between
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  Speaker 6: two and twenty four. The Seahawks are thirty first in
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  Speaker 6: touchdown percentage, but they're just kicking an exorbitant number of
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  Speaker 6: field goals and checking Buck real quick. I'm gonna make
• 16:28
  Speaker 6: Mike blush, but I think this is a really interesting
• 16:31
  Speaker 6: story to me. So Mike's baby used to be the
• 16:33
  Speaker 6: red zone, and late in my career, I'm not going
• 16:36
  Speaker 6: to give into details. I sat in a meeting four
• 16:38
  Speaker 6: feet from Steve Young. Marty morning met Wegg was running
• 16:43
  Speaker 6: the meeting and he was running just red zone plays
• 16:50
  Speaker 6: that Mike homegrin head run at Packers. So this is
• 16:53
  Speaker 6: Steve Young looking at Packer offense with Brett Favre and
• 16:58
  Speaker 6: all of Mike's play and Young just sat there every
• 17:02
  Speaker 6: other play and he goes, well, that's that's an unbelievable play,
• 17:07
  Speaker 6: but I can't do that, and was play after play,
• 17:11
  Speaker 6: Young would just say, I can't do that. And what
• 17:14
  Speaker 6: Mike had done is he took a guy with unbelievable
• 17:17
  Speaker 6: velocity in FARV, but he taught him the anticipation of
• 17:22
  Speaker 6: Dan Fouts. I'm not a big Fouts fan, He's an
• 17:24
  Speaker 6: Oregon guy, but Fouts arguably has the best anticipation of
• 17:29
  Speaker 6: all time. Because he didn't have a strong army, he
• 17:30
  Speaker 6: had to have anticipation. But Mike took Far's velocity and
• 17:36
  Speaker 6: taught him fouts anticipation. And this red zone tape was
• 17:40
  Speaker 6: just freaking freaky how incredible it was. And that's why
• 17:46
  Speaker 6: FARV was three straight MVPs. You know, you know, led
• 17:49
  Speaker 6: the NFL and touchdowns year after year. He's so freaking
• 17:52
  Speaker 6: good in the red zone and So having preface that, Mike,
• 17:57
  Speaker 6: there's a red zone problem here, but I want you
• 17:59
  Speaker 6: to talk not just about the red zone, but the
• 18:01
  Speaker 6: red zone fringe, Like, what's your mindset you get inside,
• 18:06
  Speaker 6: not necessarily just the twenty, but you know the thirty,
• 18:08
  Speaker 6: the twenty five, the thirty five, that area where Seattle's
• 18:12
  Speaker 6: bogging down getting yes field goals but not enough touchdowns.
• 18:15
  Speaker 6: What's your thought about what they should be doing to
• 18:18
  Speaker 6: be better in that regard?
• 18:20
  Speaker 5: Well, excuse me, I think that you know, throwing the
• 18:24
  Speaker 5: ball in the red zone if you're down, Let's talk
• 18:27
  Speaker 5: about not the fringe. Let's talk about the twenty. First,
• 18:30
  Speaker 5: if you're in there, you you know you have a
• 18:33
  Speaker 5: field goal. And now quite honestly, now even if you're
• 18:37
  Speaker 5: in the fringe, it seems like they have a field goal.
• 18:40
  Speaker 5: You got three points in your pocket. If you got
• 18:43
  Speaker 5: a good kicker, you got three points in your pocket.
• 18:45
  Speaker 5: So you can afford to take some chances if you
• 18:50
  Speaker 5: look at it like chances and winging around just a
• 18:53
  Speaker 5: little bit. Having said that, the red zone for me
• 18:56
  Speaker 5: was the fun thing I got to.
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: That was my baby.
• 19:00
  Speaker 5: So I would kind of, you know, say, okay, Chuck,
• 19:07
  Speaker 5: I want you to run this route because I'm gonna
• 19:10
  Speaker 5: throw it to the Bucky and he's he gonna score,
• 19:12
  Speaker 5: and you're gonna help him score because this is what's
• 19:14
  Speaker 5: gonna happen to teach you like that, and the player
• 19:17
  Speaker 5: look at me. You look at me and go what
• 19:19
  Speaker 5: about me?
• 19:20
  Speaker 4: Yeah? How am I gonna get mine? I said, Okay,
• 19:22
  Speaker 4: next time a free agent this year, the next time
• 19:24
  Speaker 4: we're over here, Bucky's gonna do this. You're gonna get
• 19:28
  Speaker 4: the ball on this And if the quarterback is really sure,
• 19:33
  Speaker 4: I think about the design of the play, why you're
• 19:36
  Speaker 4: being why you're calling it, why it's good against the
• 19:40
  Speaker 4: defense that you think you're gonna see. Then he's more effective.
• 19:45
  Speaker 4: And so I just think, I know they got a
• 19:48
  Speaker 4: great field goal kicker. I would like to see them
• 19:51
  Speaker 4: be a little more ambitious down there, I guess is
• 19:53
  Speaker 4: the best way it's say it.
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, There's not a lot that the offense made you
• 20:00
  Speaker 7: feel real good about it, just overarching you come out
• 20:02
  Speaker 7: of that game. It's a win, and you've won eight
• 20:04
  Speaker 7: out of nine. At this point, you're feeling better about
• 20:07
  Speaker 7: the team you watched. Going into the biggest game of
• 20:09
  Speaker 7: the season a little bit worse about them the same
• 20:13
  Speaker 7: or where's your thought on it?
• 20:14
  Speaker 5: I think you have to have some in trepidation. Excuse
• 20:18
  Speaker 5: me that you know it's okay. This part of our
• 20:23
  Speaker 5: season's over.
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: Now. We have three games.
• 20:25
  Speaker 5: Left to reach our goals, allow us to reach our goals,
• 20:31
  Speaker 5: but against two teams maybe three, that are good football
• 20:35
  Speaker 5: teams that have their quarterback playing and all that kind
• 20:37
  Speaker 5: of stuff. So we're entering into a different season, and
• 20:41
  Speaker 5: so our approach and how we look at this. You
• 20:44
  Speaker 5: got to jack those guys up and say, this game
• 20:46
  Speaker 5: is going to be different. We haven't seen this team
• 20:48
  Speaker 5: for a while, we haven't seen a team like this
• 20:51
  Speaker 5: for a while. So now we got to crank it
• 20:53
  Speaker 5: up another option. You've got to give me some more stuff.
• 20:56
  Speaker 4: Mike Homeran Hugh Mellan Monday Morning Quarterback, A lot more
• 20:59
  Speaker 4: to discuss us, a lot more on that Rams game
• 21:02
  Speaker 4: to discuss.
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: That's right, We're going to start discussing it today. We've
• 21:04
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  Speaker 8: We just got to start faster. As an offense. We've
• 21:10
  Speaker 8: got to finish in the red zone. It's I feel
• 21:12
  Speaker 8: like it's becoming a theme now these next few weeks
• 21:14
  Speaker 8: and we got to get it figured out. You know,
• 21:16
  Speaker 8: I feel like our defense is playing really, really good football,
• 21:18
  Speaker 8: but we got to step it up a little bit
• 21:20
  Speaker 8: as an offense, you know, and that starts with me.
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: We gotta play better.
• 21:25
  Speaker 4: Sam Darnold after yesterday's eighteen to sixteen win, a game
• 21:28
  Speaker 4: in which the staffs won the game but did not
• 21:30
  Speaker 4: score a touchdown, and yeah, these slow starts. This is
• 21:34
  Speaker 4: now going on weeks of this stuff, and with the
• 21:36
  Speaker 4: Rams coming up, you're not going to be able to
• 21:38
  Speaker 4: afford to do that heading into Thursday's game. Mike Holmer
• 21:42
  Speaker 4: and Hugh Millen with us Monday Morning Quarterback rolls on.
• 21:45
  Speaker 4: We were talking about it, the slow starts during the
• 21:47
  Speaker 4: break coach, and this goes all the way back to
• 21:50
  Speaker 4: Russell Wilson. So it's John Schneider's fault, isn't it. They're
• 21:54
  Speaker 4: getting off to these slow offensive starts. That's the only
• 21:56
  Speaker 4: thing I can conclude. It's the common denominator. Well, I
• 21:59
  Speaker 4: think you know John very well. And if I went
• 22:02
  Speaker 4: in his office today, I tell him that, John, what
• 22:06
  Speaker 4: are you doing?
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: Did you call that player? What do you think it is?
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: What's wrong?
• 22:12
  Speaker 5: You know what I think they want to establish the run.
• 22:14
  Speaker 5: That's the first thing. And when if it's working, it works.
• 22:17
  Speaker 5: It's just like, see what's working. No one has a
• 22:22
  Speaker 5: crystal ball about that stuff.
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: You think.
• 22:24
  Speaker 5: You look at the defense, you say, are going to
• 22:26
  Speaker 5: start with this. I had my first fifteen plays, and
• 22:29
  Speaker 5: you thought through that a lot to take some of
• 22:32
  Speaker 5: the emotion out of in the excitement out of the
• 22:36
  Speaker 5: play calling, because you could settle in and if it worked,
• 22:40
  Speaker 5: it should work because we worked hard on it, and
• 22:42
  Speaker 5: it worked most of the time, to be honest, so
• 22:45
  Speaker 5: you get off to a start, but then you got
• 22:47
  Speaker 5: to call the game the rest of the way. But
• 22:49
  Speaker 5: if it's not working, you have to be real honest
• 22:53
  Speaker 5: about it and just say we're going to go and
• 22:55
  Speaker 5: have a plan B. And so if you're starting the
• 22:59
  Speaker 5: game slowly, you know, and and that's okay against the opponent,
• 23:02
  Speaker 5: you think, I don't know, we don't have to score
• 23:04
  Speaker 5: this much or against this these guys. But you know,
• 23:09
  Speaker 5: that's a mindset and I never thought much like that.
• 23:11
  Speaker 5: It's and everyone everyone's different. So Mike McDonald's defense, you
• 23:16
  Speaker 5: got a great defense. No one's going to score too
• 23:18
  Speaker 5: much on them. They haven't, Uh, so maybe they can
• 23:24
  Speaker 5: afford to be a little more conservative that way early
• 23:27
  Speaker 5: in the game.
• 23:29
  Speaker 6: Mike, when you talk about pivoting away from what the
• 23:32
  Speaker 6: plan was, I don't think it's just well, we thought
• 23:36
  Speaker 6: we wanted to run the ball, but we can't, so
• 23:40
  Speaker 6: let's pass the ball more.
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: Uh.
• 23:42
  Speaker 6: Isn't there some more nuance to that that, For example,
• 23:46
  Speaker 6: you wanted to run outside the stretch and and you're not,
• 23:50
  Speaker 6: you're not getting the yards from the stretch, Then you know,
• 23:54
  Speaker 6: maybe you run up power. You know what's called gap scheme,
• 23:56
  Speaker 6: chucking buck where you're pulling the backside guard. That's a
• 23:59
  Speaker 6: different thematic. You know, I think maybe inside zone might
• 24:04
  Speaker 6: have been the better course. But but you're looking at
• 24:07
  Speaker 6: that run sheet and you're saying, Okay, I don't really
• 24:10
  Speaker 6: like these runs, but maybe these runs, let's let's take
• 24:13
  Speaker 6: a crack at those. Maybe maybe talk about that part
• 24:16
  Speaker 6: of the process.
• 24:17
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that's exactly what you have to do, you you know,
• 24:20
  Speaker 5: And I saw yesterday there was one play I remember
• 24:24
  Speaker 5: where they're pulling Bradford from right to left and the
• 24:28
  Speaker 5: defender just came in and chopped him down in a
• 24:31
  Speaker 5: big pile up and minus yards and I'm going I'm
• 24:36
  Speaker 5: not sure that's I probably might want to go the
• 24:39
  Speaker 5: other way, you know, wave and have not Bradford pull,
• 24:42
  Speaker 5: but the other guard.
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 24:43
  Speaker 5: Some things like that, you know, and so yeah, it's
• 24:47
  Speaker 5: it's but here. The other thing I would say is
• 24:50
  Speaker 5: play action pass, get underneath the center, have a couple
• 24:54
  Speaker 5: backs in there, use a full back and run out
• 24:58
  Speaker 5: of that. But also play action pass out of it.
• 25:02
  Speaker 5: To make the defense think about having to defend more things,
• 25:09
  Speaker 5: not just we're gonna tee you off. This is what
• 25:12
  Speaker 5: they do and I thought I saw that yesterday. I
• 25:15
  Speaker 5: thought Indianapolis did that. They anticipated and and we're right
• 25:20
  Speaker 5: many a lot of the time. So mix it up,
• 25:23
  Speaker 5: different formations, different different throwing spots for the quarterback, get
• 25:29
  Speaker 5: them thinking a little bit on defense, and then do
• 25:31
  Speaker 5: your thing.
• 25:32
  Speaker 7: Coach d you got a rematch coming up Division rival,
• 25:36
  Speaker 7: a lot of them on the on the table coming
• 25:38
  Speaker 7: up Thursday against the Rams. This is one where I
• 25:41
  Speaker 7: think you can give some great into you being the
• 25:43
  Speaker 7: offensive mastermind that you were. It's similar to like what
• 25:46
  Speaker 7: McVeigh is in today's game, going against a guy in
• 25:49
  Speaker 7: Mike McDonald.
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: It's a defensive guru.
• 25:52
  Speaker 7: Uh in your in your opinion, Where did that advantage
• 25:56
  Speaker 7: go when you know the team you're going against it
• 25:58
  Speaker 7: as well as you know anybody cause their division fo
• 26:01
  Speaker 7: it is the rematch that that year, and so you
• 26:03
  Speaker 7: have some stuff tape man on man type stuff.
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: To go with.
• 26:07
  Speaker 7: Did you always did you feel that that was advantage
• 26:10
  Speaker 7: offensive mind? Or did you feel that that was advantage
• 26:12
  Speaker 7: defensive mind?
• 26:13
  Speaker 5: I thought it was always to our advantage as long
• 26:16
  Speaker 5: as we could take away or at least balance their strength.
• 26:22
  Speaker 5: I go back to when I was with the forty
• 26:23
  Speaker 5: nine ers and we played the New York Giants, great
• 26:25
  Speaker 5: football team, big rivalry at that time. Well, they had
• 26:30
  Speaker 5: Lawrence Taylor on the outside, they have you know, Banks
• 26:33
  Speaker 5: on the outside. But what bothered Joe Montana was pressure
• 26:37
  Speaker 5: right up the middle and the ram and the Giants
• 26:40
  Speaker 5: knew that, and it wasn't the guys on the outside
• 26:45
  Speaker 5: as great as they were. And so the game plan
• 26:48
  Speaker 5: there was to make sure try and make sure they
• 26:51
  Speaker 5: didn't get as much pressure up front.
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 26:54
  Speaker 5: The other thing is going against different secondary people. Okay,
• 26:57
  Speaker 5: you're going against Dion Sanders or whom ever. You know,
• 27:01
  Speaker 5: you don't stop throwing like the Packers did against the
• 27:04
  Speaker 5: Seahawks one year. You're not going to throw to that
• 27:06
  Speaker 5: side because you know Richard Sherman's over there. You don't
• 27:09
  Speaker 5: want to do that, but you do want to take
• 27:11
  Speaker 5: advantage and move the people around. Move your people around.
• 27:15
  Speaker 5: So understand where where the problems are, the big problems.
• 27:19
  Speaker 5: There might be more than more than a couple. But
• 27:23
  Speaker 5: then deal with that play you know, the coach to
• 27:26
  Speaker 5: that and have an answer for that.
• 27:30
  Speaker 6: Bucky, Mike won't do this, but your Broncos. The apex
• 27:36
  Speaker 6: of Montana's career was that fifty five to ten super Bowl.
• 27:40
  Speaker 6: That's the highest he ever reached. That Bronco defense was
• 27:44
  Speaker 6: number one in the NFL fewest points allowed, number one
• 27:47
  Speaker 6: in the NFL fewest first downs, number one, fewest touchdown
• 27:51
  Speaker 6: passes allowed. And that's how Montana carved it up. With
• 27:55
  Speaker 6: Mike Hall in the place, so you know, you know,
• 27:58
  Speaker 6: but you know, because it's the Broncos, we just had
• 28:00
  Speaker 6: to make him mention that.
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: I don't know if.
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: You know what was that final score?
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: Again here maybe mentioned.
• 28:06
  Speaker 5: That, but that's to your point.
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: But that's what happened in that game.
• 28:10
  Speaker 5: Honestly, the safeties for Denver at Water and I forget
• 28:14
  Speaker 5: who the other one was.
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: Darren Smith.
• 28:16
  Speaker 5: Yeah, they were good, really good, and they used them.
• 28:19
  Speaker 5: They used them to squeeze and come up. They were
• 28:22
  Speaker 5: very you know, they ran a two deep defense and
• 28:26
  Speaker 5: he was talked about that many times. But they also
• 28:29
  Speaker 5: for safeties in that defense. Typically they're not in the
• 28:32
  Speaker 5: box that they don't come up that fast. Their job
• 28:34
  Speaker 5: is something else, except in Denver. And so we thought, Okay,
• 28:38
  Speaker 5: we do this, they'll come up. They've done it all
• 28:41
  Speaker 5: season and been great at it. What is our answer
• 28:45
  Speaker 5: for that? And we came up with a couple of
• 28:47
  Speaker 5: things and it happened to work, and they let their
• 28:51
  Speaker 5: foot off the gas. Could have been a lot more.
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: Uh well, I do need.
• 28:55
  Speaker 4: To mention this though. I mean, we have one more
• 28:57
  Speaker 4: segment to go, but I don't know if we'll get
• 28:59
  Speaker 4: to it. I mean, you and I probably would never
• 29:02
  Speaker 4: like dine with a kicker. We probably wouldn't even call
• 29:06
  Speaker 4: them by their.
• 29:07
  Speaker 9: First name, you know, right right just but our kicker
• 29:12
  Speaker 9: is absolutely on fire right now, and so I think
• 29:17
  Speaker 9: I should bring him up.
• 29:18
  Speaker 4: So we can say a nice thing about Jason Myers
• 29:21
  Speaker 4: right now.
• 29:21
  Speaker 5: I'm glad you brought it up. Yeah, I'm really glad
• 29:23
  Speaker 5: because one of us has to talk about it. Yeah,
• 29:29
  Speaker 5: I'll talk about you know, to have a kicker that
• 29:32
  Speaker 5: you can depend on and have that much confidence in
• 29:36
  Speaker 5: that you if you get into that area where I
• 29:38
  Speaker 5: need to gain five more yards or whatever with him,
• 29:43
  Speaker 5: it's amazing. But it also points to what's happened with
• 29:47
  Speaker 5: the kicking balls and the kickoff return and you don't
• 29:52
  Speaker 5: have to gain a lot of offensive yards to get
• 29:54
  Speaker 5: into a position to attempt a field goal and be
• 29:57
  Speaker 5: realistic about making it. Unbelievable when that kid kicked the
• 30:01
  Speaker 5: sixty and and Jason all six of his and I
• 30:04
  Speaker 5: think most of them were passed. Most of them were
• 30:06
  Speaker 5: over forty five yards long. They used to be a
• 30:08
  Speaker 5: long field goal. Oh that used to be yeah, real questionable. Yeah,
• 30:12
  Speaker 5: now with a good kicker like him, Hey, it's nothing.
• 30:15
  Speaker 6: Hey, Mike, during just to kind of humble him a
• 30:18
  Speaker 6: little bit during stretching or something, would you say, hey, Myers,
• 30:22
  Speaker 6: you know you still kick two kickoffs into the end
• 30:25
  Speaker 6: zone where and they got a touch back to the
• 30:27
  Speaker 6: thirty five. How about you, you know, tighten up your
• 30:31
  Speaker 6: game a little bit. Would you maybe uh buses balls
• 30:34
  Speaker 6: in a fun way that way because because you know,
• 30:37
  Speaker 6: if there was a flaw to it, you know, he
• 30:40
  Speaker 6: he's better than that and can't have that against the Rams.
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know what.
• 30:44
  Speaker 5: To be honest, my strategy with the you know, I've
• 30:48
  Speaker 5: told you what I used to tell him. One thing
• 30:50
  Speaker 5: I tell him, you know, have a good one. Kick
• 30:52
  Speaker 5: it between the uprights. Try and kick it between the
• 30:55
  Speaker 5: up right.
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: And stay away from my daughters. I want my daughter
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: married kicker.
• 31:01
  Speaker 4: All right, Well, close close out with one last thing.
• 31:04
  Speaker 4: Next Sports Radio ninety three point three KJRFM. Think I
• 31:11
  Speaker 4: just came up with the solution by the way to
• 31:13
  Speaker 4: the kicking at the end of games.
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: Bucky, we're talking during the break.
• 31:17
  Speaker 4: Bucky's like, well, they get to take care of their
• 31:19
  Speaker 4: kicking ball, so yeah, so carefully, so meticulously.
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they polished their balls. What if the other.
• 31:27
  Speaker 4: Team took care of their balls, then they had to
• 31:29
  Speaker 4: use the one the other.
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: Team took care of. That's a great idea.
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, the other team stuff. Yeah, I could see
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: him stuffed up.
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: You get it and look at it and there might
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: be a lump. Your great idea.
• 31:40
  Speaker 5: It didn't even look like a foot. That's what you
• 31:43
  Speaker 5: had to kick the game winner with? Who gave me
• 31:45
  Speaker 5: this watermelon.
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they'd be like, this is a beach ball. It's
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: not even a football's idea.
• 31:50
  Speaker 4: It's our Monday morning quarterback session. We got Hugh here,
• 31:54
  Speaker 4: we got Coach here, we got one more segment. So
• 31:57
  Speaker 4: one more thing for coach. What do you got Bucky?
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: Coming up? Big game? Obviously?
• 32:01
  Speaker 7: Is this a game that the week leading up to
• 32:04
  Speaker 7: you tell because I mean, I just don't think you
• 32:06
  Speaker 7: can be conservative against one of the more potent offenses
• 32:09
  Speaker 7: in the Rams, and who knows how healthy they're going
• 32:12
  Speaker 7: to be. But is this one where all week you
• 32:15
  Speaker 7: tell your quarterback, hey, we're letting it rip, because I
• 32:18
  Speaker 7: think there is times, there's certain games during a certain
• 32:20
  Speaker 7: season against certain opponents where you have to throw caution
• 32:23
  Speaker 7: out the window a little bit. You make smart choices.
• 32:26
  Speaker 7: You don't want four interceptions, obviously, But is this one
• 32:30
  Speaker 7: where you're leading into this game your quarterback you're like,
• 32:33
  Speaker 7: this is going to be your best game of the season.
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: One of those Yeah, you kind of talk to the quarterback.
• 32:37
  Speaker 5: I don't think you talked to the whole team that
• 32:39
  Speaker 5: way necessarily, but you are going to get your quarterback
• 32:42
  Speaker 5: ready for maybe a different style, a different way we're
• 32:45
  Speaker 5: going to approach this now. Having said that, you know,
• 32:49
  Speaker 5: the Rams the first game, I forget, the score was
• 32:52
  Speaker 5: low scoring, wasn't it the.
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: First game twenty one nineteen.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, it was kind of low scoring, and both teams
• 32:57
  Speaker 5: played good defense. And the Rams have a good defense
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  Speaker 5: and good pressure up front. So it's not that much different,
• 33:05
  Speaker 5: I don't think than how you prepare for every game, Buck,
• 33:07
  Speaker 5: but it's a little different, and you talk to the
• 33:10
  Speaker 5: quarterback that way. He has to know who he's going against,
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  Speaker 5: and the Rams present more problems than the last few
• 33:16
  Speaker 5: teams they've played, certainly here.
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  Speaker 6: What do you got, Well, I just have a thought
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  Speaker 6: about Sam Donald, Mike, and we're gonna hear, you know,
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  Speaker 6: certainly the national people on the telecast, they're going to
• 33:28
  Speaker 6: talk about Sam Donald and how he had a great
• 33:32
  Speaker 6: year last year, but at the end of the season
• 33:35
  Speaker 6: against the Lions and then in the playoff game against
• 33:39
  Speaker 6: the Rams, he didn't play so well, and they're going
• 33:43
  Speaker 6: to ignore that. You know, during this season, as the
• 33:46
  Speaker 6: Vikings won fourteen games, you know, he had two wins
• 33:49
  Speaker 6: against Green Bay, you know, second to last game of
• 33:52
  Speaker 6: the season, for example, three hundred and seventy seven yards,
• 33:56
  Speaker 6: seventy seven percent complete, one hundred and sixteen passer rating
• 33:59
  Speaker 6: the game again at Seattle, the other game against Green Bay,
• 34:02
  Speaker 6: and what have you. And in that playoff game against
• 34:05
  Speaker 6: the Rams. There have been thirty eight quarterbacks this decade
• 34:11
  Speaker 6: who have started a playoff game and lost, and the
• 34:16
  Speaker 6: average pressures on the quarterback is fifteen. Mahomes in the
• 34:21
  Speaker 6: Super Bowl last year when he was awful against the
• 34:25
  Speaker 6: pressure from the Eagles, he had seventeen in that Super
• 34:29
  Speaker 6: Bowl last year, Donald against the Rams, far and away
• 34:33
  Speaker 6: of all those quarterbacks, thirty eight twenty seven pressures he
• 34:36
  Speaker 6: was under from that Ramedy. That was an entire ram
• 34:40
  Speaker 6: onslaught against against Sam Donald and Mike. Here's a list
• 34:45
  Speaker 6: of quarterbacks who have a worse passer rating on average
• 34:48
  Speaker 6: when they lose the game. Does this sound like an
• 34:51
  Speaker 6: impressive list of quarterback this decade? Pat Mahomes, Tom Brady,
• 34:55
  Speaker 6: Justin Herbert, Jordan Love, Jayden Daniels, Dak Prescott, Drew Brees.
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  Speaker 6: All of those guys performed worse in their losses at
• 35:03
  Speaker 6: least by that measurement than Sam Donald. I think Donald's
• 35:06
  Speaker 6: getting a bad rap on this. Usually, if you lose
• 35:08
  Speaker 6: a playoff game, your quarterback probably played poorly, or that
• 35:12
  Speaker 6: people around him cause the quarterback to play poorly. So
• 35:16
  Speaker 6: I think he's getting a bad rap.
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  Speaker 3: Mike.
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  Speaker 6: I don't know what your response is on that, but
• 35:20
  Speaker 6: I think there's some numbers to crystallize it.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I would say this, and I've said it from
• 35:25
  Speaker 5: day one that I'm I'm in his corner. I think
• 35:27
  Speaker 5: he's played well. Uh you know everyone will talk about
• 35:31
  Speaker 5: that for interception game, but you know he has played
• 35:33
  Speaker 5: well and Sam Donald if they should not make it,
• 35:39
  Speaker 5: Sam Donald will not be the reason why. It'll be
• 35:42
  Speaker 5: some something else. And you talked about pressures, and that's
• 35:47
  Speaker 5: that says it all to me. You know there who's
• 35:50
  Speaker 5: got to Everyone has to play up their game. Every
• 35:54
  Speaker 5: facet of the football team has to up their game.
• 35:57
  Speaker 5: It will not be his fault. He'll he'll get him there,
• 36:01
  Speaker 5: and if he doesn't get him there, we can look elsewhere.
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  Speaker 5: It's not going to be him.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I agree with that one hundred percent. I'll tell
• 36:08
  Speaker 4: you one thing that won't get in his path, the
• 36:10
  Speaker 4: Kansas City Chiefs. So my one last thing is Patrick
• 36:15
  Speaker 4: Mahomes injured season over. What do you think about the
• 36:21
  Speaker 4: Kansas City Chiefs is the dynasty over coach.
• 36:23
  Speaker 5: They're going to have to retool, some retooling absolutely next year.
• 36:28
  Speaker 5: I mean they're talking about Kelsey this being his last year.
• 36:31
  Speaker 5: Pat now Mahomes won't be able to play this year
• 36:33
  Speaker 5: and he came. It's a pretty serious injury. So when
• 36:36
  Speaker 5: he'll come back, we'll wait and see. I hope he
• 36:39
  Speaker 5: comes back as soon as possible. But Andy has some
• 36:42
  Speaker 5: work to do. And you know, you saw it this
• 36:45
  Speaker 5: year and really the year before when they won the
• 36:48
  Speaker 5: Super Bowl. I think he won eleven one score games,
• 36:52
  Speaker 5: so it was really close. And they've had a run
• 36:56
  Speaker 5: of ten years of winning the division and which is
• 37:00
  Speaker 5: remarkable and so but it happens. It happens to everybody,
• 37:04
  Speaker 5: and then all of a sudden, if you lose your
• 37:06
  Speaker 5: quarterback or if you lose and key players, you have
• 37:09
  Speaker 5: to retool. And I think they have to be really
• 37:12
  Speaker 5: serious about doing that this offseason.
• 37:15
  Speaker 6: Do you think Andy would consider just saying, Okay, I'm
• 37:19
  Speaker 6: gonna I'm gonna turn it over to Nagel or whomever
• 37:22
  Speaker 6: a younger buck and and and not out or would
• 37:25
  Speaker 6: would that like hurt his pride?
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  Speaker 3: That wait?
• 37:28
  Speaker 6: You know, the one year Patrick tears his knee up,
• 37:31
  Speaker 6: then I'm gonna bail on the team. Like where where
• 37:33
  Speaker 6: do you think his mindset is? He's certainly at an
• 37:35
  Speaker 6: age where nobody would think twice if he if he
• 37:39
  Speaker 6: called it, you know, if you retired on a great career.
• 37:41
  Speaker 6: But where do you think he what do you think
• 37:43
  Speaker 6: he's thinking?
• 37:44
  Speaker 5: You know, I I asked him that when he came
• 37:45
  Speaker 5: on the radio show with me once, and he's loving
• 37:50
  Speaker 5: he loves football. Football is such a big part of
• 37:53
  Speaker 5: his life. And uh, he says his health is good,
• 37:58
  Speaker 5: and uh, I don't see it, Hugh. I think he's
• 38:01
  Speaker 5: going to stick with it. And if he were about out,
• 38:06
  Speaker 5: I'd be very surprised because he's looking at I think
• 38:10
  Speaker 5: I believe knowing him, he's looking at this as the
• 38:14
  Speaker 5: challenge of Okay, where we slumped a little bit here,
• 38:18
  Speaker 5: Now I got to get back going again. And he
• 38:21
  Speaker 5: said he wants to. He just signed a new deal
• 38:24
  Speaker 5: for a pretty big contract, and uh, that won't be
• 38:28
  Speaker 5: the absolute driving force. But he's got the quarterback he's
• 38:33
  Speaker 5: patrick come back after his injury. I don't see him
• 38:37
  Speaker 5: going No, I don't see him stepping away.
• 38:39
  Speaker 3: I think Mahomes is just at the halfway point.
• 38:40
  Speaker 4: I think that was just the end of the first
• 38:42
  Speaker 4: half of Patrick Mahomes' career yesterday, and I think he's
• 38:45
  Speaker 4: got ten more years, and who knows what they could
• 38:48
  Speaker 4: do on that side. I'll just ask you in our
• 38:50
  Speaker 4: last minute here, Josh Allen done that? Can't city in
• 38:55
  Speaker 4: his way this year? I mean, he's got to get
• 38:56
  Speaker 4: it done this year, doesn't he? Yeah, I went to the
• 38:58
  Speaker 4: Super Bowl this year.
• 38:59
  Speaker 5: Well, I you know, I picked Buffalo in the beginning,
• 39:02
  Speaker 5: and then all of a sudden they played a little
• 39:04
  Speaker 5: stretch there of games. I'm going, gee, there's a reason
• 39:08
  Speaker 5: I don't gamble. There is a reason I don't gamble.
• 39:12
  Speaker 5: And then but now, all of a sudden, he's their
• 39:14
  Speaker 5: fun to watch. He's fun to watch, boy, is he?
• 39:17
  Speaker 5: He's very talented guy.
• 39:19
  Speaker 3: You think you this year?
• 39:21
  Speaker 6: I certainly hope so if it's not gonna be Seattle, obviously,
• 39:24
  Speaker 6: but but the Bills would be my second choice. I
• 39:27
  Speaker 6: think Buffalo Beffalo, and the city has never had a parade.
• 39:33
  Speaker 6: They've like the Braves, the Sabers, the Bills. Now, they
• 39:38
  Speaker 6: won an AFL title, but that was in an era
• 39:40
  Speaker 6: when the NFL was clearly the superior, so they've never
• 39:43
  Speaker 6: had a major championship parade. I think their fans deserve it.
• 39:48
  Speaker 6: But Josh Allen, He's in my top three favorite quarterbacks
• 39:51
  Speaker 6: I've ever seen in my life. I love I love
• 39:53
  Speaker 6: his style, I love his competitiveness, I love his humility,
• 39:58
  Speaker 6: his leadership. I just love everything about him. I mean,
• 40:02
  Speaker 6: he's quarterback porn for me. Sorry, Mike, but Chuck knows
• 40:06
  Speaker 6: I I go there from time to time. But I
• 40:09
  Speaker 6: can't take my eyes off that dude. I just love
• 40:12
  Speaker 6: his game and and you know, but but I think
• 40:14
  Speaker 6: Mike Sean McDermott, I don't know I used to be
• 40:18
  Speaker 6: I have, I have really waned in my assessment of him.
• 40:21
  Speaker 6: I mean, even like, how do you not how do
• 40:23
  Speaker 6: you not challenge that play like like like you know,
• 40:27
  Speaker 6: Raybo's boom, he's challenging, you know, and and and McDermott's
• 40:30
  Speaker 6: just is like like the little things and the defense
• 40:33
  Speaker 6: just never seems to support him, you know. The receiver
• 40:38
  Speaker 6: corps is just vastly you know, incomplete. I think that
• 40:44
  Speaker 6: that that on some level Josh Allen could almost suit
• 40:47
  Speaker 6: for malpractice, that some of the things that's happening around him.
• 40:52
  Speaker 5: What do you think of Sean McDermott. Well, you know
• 40:54
  Speaker 5: what I like Sean McDermott. I'm not I'm not gonna
• 40:57
  Speaker 5: comment on that. When I'm gonna comment on is having
• 41:00
  Speaker 5: a parade in Buffalo in February.
• 41:03
  Speaker 3: Okay, they would do it.
• 41:06
  Speaker 5: We won the Super Bowl in Green Bay and we
• 41:08
  Speaker 5: had the parade and I lost one of my players
• 41:12
  Speaker 5: on the bus from hypothermia. We had to put jackets
• 41:18
  Speaker 5: on him and true and because it was an open
• 41:21
  Speaker 5: air bus, and everyone thought that was a good idea,
• 41:24
  Speaker 5: and they didn't bring us our jackets at the airport
• 41:26
  Speaker 5: when we got off. So we were supposed to do
• 41:28
  Speaker 5: one last thing at the city Center. I told the
• 41:31
  Speaker 5: bus driver drive the stadium. We were supposed to, don't
• 41:33
  Speaker 5: drive to the stadium. And we reared off and went
• 41:36
  Speaker 5: to the stadium.
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  Speaker 3: Oh well, it's.
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: Hard, gentlemen. Thank you very much. Great stuff.
• 41:42
  Speaker 4: As always, Monday Morning Quarterback Session comes to a close
• 41:45
  Speaker 4: thanks to Mike Holgern and Hugh Millan. We'll do it
• 41:48
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