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271 - Nicholas Janni and Shani Lehrer: Radical Creativity for a World in Transition · Coaches Rising

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[UNKNOWN]: Thank you for watching.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Welcome to the Coaches Rising Podcast.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Today I am delighted to be joined by Shani Leira and Nikolay Shiani.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And we're talking because they've come together to create a program which is actually beginning on Monday the 19th pretty soon.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's called from Radical and Certainty to Radical Creativity and that really grabbed the hold of me because of the times we find ourselves in.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's actually that's what we'll talk about today.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We'll talk about
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[SPEAKER_01]: the threshold that Nicholas and Shini see that we stand inside of and we'll talk about what possibilities for transformation and breakthrough actually lie within the pressure of these times and how we can retrain our nervous system to expand and to lead and to access a different kind of creativity.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, in a sense, we're talking about the journey that participants in this program will go on, and they've been very generous to offer an early bird code for our community.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If you're interested after listening to this and you're inspired to join the program, you can head to the show notes and you'll find an early bird coupon code there that you can use to sign up, you'll find the link to the page, the enrollment page there as well.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Shani is a consultant to world leaders and global entrepreneurs, the founder of Business Sanktum and the creator of the Inner Geopolitics method.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Nikolashiani is doing detransmitional coaching with leaders around the world with executives with CEOs.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He is also the author of Leader as Hila, which was the winner of the Business Book of the Year Award 2023.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So we're in capable hands.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's dive in here's the podcast with Shani and Nicholas.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So Shani, Nicholas, I'm delighted to be with you both.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And even more excited now, we've had the chance to check in.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so we're having this conversation because you're about to begin a program, which I think is deeply a tune to our times.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to explore the program itself on why you created it, the program is called from Radical and Certainty to Radical Creativity.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Could you say something about, and I'll let either one of you pick this up, but could you say something about,
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[SPEAKER_01]: why you've created this program, why you feel what you're doing it is relevant for our times.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So maybe you could speak to what are the times we find ourselves in, you even use the word threshold, maybe name this threshold and the invitation of our times.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, first of all, y'all, thank you for inviting us in some real pleasure to be here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And you, yes, you hit the nail on the head.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think we are at a what people are calling a civilisational inflection point.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And one that was foretold and foreseen by many of the old wisdom traditions, I was just looking at that this morning.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think we are literally, I feel we are literally between two paradigms and we have
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[SPEAKER_00]: it and it's been around for several hundred years and in western world it dominates business, it dominates everything really and it's really leading us into more more catastrophe as we see.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And at the same time, now, there is more than ever an awakening of a very, very different, actually radically different consciousness, how a way of being in the world, which is much more unified in terms of body-hard mind, soul, and spirit, and has a connection to much, much wider
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[SPEAKER_00]: which in the traditions would have been called a unitive consciousness.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Sometimes now called heart intelligence.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I really do see and feel that we are at that time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And the new consciousness, which in some ways is very old, but is also a new integration of left and right brain,
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[SPEAKER_00]: it's waking up very clearly and the contrast between the two is very vivid and what we would call the new one and this is where it's been so exciting for me to work with Shani.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't often golly, but it's an amazing journey with Shani.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The new one is much closer to what I think we would
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[SPEAKER_00]: of what the human being is supposed to be.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's like we've veered very far from that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I call it exiles, sometimes I run a program last year called returning from exile.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think we've normalized this huge exile, which hasn't the core of it immense suffering and loneliness and isolation, because it is fundamentally disconnected.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, I work, you know, like you do, it's senior leaders, mostly, as I work with, they have no sense of their body, they're disconnected from their emotions.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I ask a group of senior leaders, senior leaders, you know what it means to be in flow, I give experience flow, yeah, yeah, and what how is it?
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's ease, it's creativity, it's connection.
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[SPEAKER_00]: 5%.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's what we've normally asked.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Flow, what we call flow is much closer to a deep, original imprint.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So this program that we are offering is, because from the old paradigm, radical uncertainty is very problematic.
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[SPEAKER_00]: because it doesn't bend control and the old paradigm is based on with my thinking, I control everything.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So every business person I speak to is saying the old way is not working and it's very, very stressful because we don't know anything different.
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[SPEAKER_00]: From a newer paradigm, from a much deeper essence of who we are, radical uncertainty is a wonderful gateway.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a more deeply natural state of things.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And if we flow with that, we move into radical creativity as joy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: As joy it has abundance.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We can also speak of it as the move from scarcity to abundance.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So we're talking about not just improving something, and this is the core of my teaching as well.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're talking about complete upgrade to a new way of being.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I really believe that's what the times are calling us to.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's very clear, and I think it's an extraordinary time to be alive.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Shini.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you.
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[SPEAKER_02]: First of all, thank you, Charlie, for having us.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And Nikolai's echoing everything you've said.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I feel like I want to zoom in to the word exile.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And we created the program because radical uncertainty can be perceived or can be understood in two ways.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And this is so true for so many of the words we use.
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[SPEAKER_02]: on a day-to-day basis.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They can do the enlightened side of it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then there's the one that costs us are well-being.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And so radical uncertainty, we could say, okay, the time is on earth right now are uncertain.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We don't know what's happening politically, geopolitically, in the natural world,
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[SPEAKER_02]: organizations that we've relied on, or falling apart, breaking apart ways, all the ways of thinking.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And so that is one thing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And so we can say that the root we've found together, that the root of radical uncertainty in that way that I've just defined, is our inner exile, our forgetting.
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[SPEAKER_02]: who we are, because what we are observing outside of us right now in the world is very much a result of a way that has not been working.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And so, you know, Einstein said this, we can't do the same things and expect different results.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So how do we look at this and say, okay, radical uncertainty may mean to release the certainty we had in the old ways.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And from that, remember, what are the ways that actually sustain our well-being, sustain our lives physically, emotionally, mentally, spiritually, and thereby bring the inevitable result of radical creativity.
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[SPEAKER_02]: and of a creativity that is such, that it brings thriving life to everything and everyone that embodies it and to everything and everyone that embodiment touches outside of us.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And so, you know, in a nutshell, from radical uncertainty to radical creativity is a deep questioning of what we've put our certainty on, realization that maybe that's not so certain actually, embracing the uncertainty of an ability to trust in a process that is actually bigger than what my mind can conceive of.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And is this that runs life, and this that makes my cells grow again and again, my hair, grow, my eyes shine, the trees grow, and maybe trust and putting our trust and our investment of energy in that type of uncertainty, to maybe meet what true certainty means, and to maybe meet
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[SPEAKER_02]: what actual creativity means, because who said creativity is just what I create in front of me.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe creativity is the fact that my creation becomes the co-creative force in more creativity.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Beautiful hand.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Before we talk, it's very evocative what you share with me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And before we talk about the pathway or the process of being able to access this kind of certainty or creativity, could you say a little bit more about
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[SPEAKER_01]: what it's like, this place, this place, you say, like opening to something bigger than the self, it sounds like it's a place of deep inter-connectivity or intimacy with life.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You've named the original blueprint.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Could you give us a flesh out, a sense of,
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[SPEAKER_01]: you know, our essence.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So this is a word I've seen you use with this program.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What it's like to live in that place or open into that place?
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[SPEAKER_01]: What is this place like, yeah?
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[SPEAKER_02]: I can give a really relevant example.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I had some really great tests done recently.
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[SPEAKER_02]: These are
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[SPEAKER_02]: and realize the absolute power of life, knowing that we have many, many trillions of cells, and nobody's micromanaging them to tell them what to do.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And yet, they each know what to do, because they live a cell in the heart cell and not competing for who is going to be better and more recognized and loved more.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And seeing more in the news as being the one that has kept me alive.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But they, in some kind of co-creative dance, are each doing their magic.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I feel like,
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[SPEAKER_02]: part of the answer to your question is, what if this was true?
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's not what if in my experience and I know Nicholas too is, of course, Nicholas would speak about it for his own insight, but the each of us have this inherent superpower.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This inherent
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[SPEAKER_02]: reason or meaning of being, and one of us is an extraordinary painter, and one is a writer, and one is a business builder, and one is a country builder, and one loves to create things or to take care of spaces, or, and part of our divorce from our who we are is, in a way, a
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[SPEAKER_02]: what I need to do, but also what others are doing, and the liver and the heart cells are competing in a way, in our world, in the external world, if we will.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Does that answer a bit of the question?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Enjoy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Good.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So what I'm hearing is there's, um,
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like as I hear you speak, there's a uniqueness that can shine through to the expression of our essence.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That each of us has, you know, something a gift to offer.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm also getting a sense that maybe this is a process of,
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[SPEAKER_01]: stripping away the veils to trusting in the intelligence of life and participating in that and that actually maybe it's actually more important to that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's where we actually focus first because of what you're naming, Shani, where otherwise we're trying to control
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[SPEAKER_01]: our experience or guide against life so we're not only to that process that you're talking about.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So let me say a couple of things because I was going to go where you're staying or such a but to respond to your first question because it's really right at the core of this and it's
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[SPEAKER_00]: And let's make it very practical.
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[SPEAKER_00]: A leader goes into a meeting with somebody, one of their top team, or is that a nice feeling to you, let's say, you're a leader, and I ask you, Joel, so when you go into that meeting, what kind of perceptual field are you in?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Are you mainly thinking about the outcomes you want?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Are you present in your body, meaning you feel connected in your body?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Are you feeling the whole interior of this person?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Are you feeling the whole ecosystem in which this person is living?
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[SPEAKER_00]: So are all your intelligences open?
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's very kind of, I was working with a very senior leader on this recently for two days, actually.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That was, this was, I could call topic.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Where are you?
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[SPEAKER_00]: What's your quality of presence?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And...
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[SPEAKER_00]: It really learned that he completely got what we were talking about.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So this is an example of where am I moment to moment?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Where am I moment, you know, unfortunately I live with 60 olive trees here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If I walk out of my door here, am I lost in my own thinking world?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Or do I go out and basically be in a state of wonder?
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[SPEAKER_00]: but my body heart and soul are open to a very, very, very different experience of what we call reality.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, and even again, we go back to, and I like to make this very practical, because I often say to a leader,
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then you go into your care more exercise, whatever you do.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And you do an hour.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And you come out to the same street, but it's totally, your whole experience of it is totally different.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because your whole energy flow, your whole activation of your energy flow has changed.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And in that moment, reality is more vivid.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You feel more alive, people pass, you begin to feel them more.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So you ask about how does it feel that that's what we're talking about.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then of course, within that, we then need absolutely and we're dealing with this in our program.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So we need to look, we need to understand and even more equally importantly, feel how the old programming that keeps us in this very limited identity sits inside us.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it sits inside us at multiple levels, right down to the core nervous system.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And we need to feel right into that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And causes the feeling of uncertainty, while actually being rooted in a...
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because we output then fundamentally in separation from everything.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And at the core of that is huge anxiety.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and fear, and isolation because when we're rooted, when we're not rooted in a deeper essence, we're mostly in fear, and therefore, try to control everything in order not to feel fear.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And you and I know in our work, and Trininos, that when we help someone, for instance, on a very simple level, just feel your fear from them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's stop talking about it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's just feel it from them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And someone says, OK, yes, all right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's breathe into the fear after five minutes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They feel so open.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But these fears, these programs, sitting deep within that,
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm working on my in-for-effer.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I could give you a person example just from yesterday.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, you were saying about anxiety sometimes you wake up with and so do I.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And yesterday something very vivid came to an hours feeling a certain program so deep in my nervous system in a way I never have before.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I just breathed into it, breathed into it, spoke with my wife.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And there was like a melting in me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I saw, wow, because until we, this is the thing, and we know this in developmental psychology, until we know a program is there, we don't know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We just are operating, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And we don't realize that there's a whole veil here between me and unity.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And once we do see it or feel it or name it, it's subject is already becoming object.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But object needs to be felt right in our nervous system.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Do you want to add anything to that, Shania?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I have a question bubbling up, but I'd love to.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Please, please, I've just... Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The question arises as you speak to this Nicolas as well, like in Shania, like this process of...
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[SPEAKER_01]: how we can become aware.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So you said, like, yeah, it's actually often subconscious or unconscious.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, we just think, this is who we are or the way the word is.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, it's it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then, so what's the process of bringing what was unconscious into awareness?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then how can we be with it in a way that allows it to
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's a great question.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I would say first, like Nicola said, is becoming aware of it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And when lives in more than one place, in the body, and then because the body holds trauma and subconscious,
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[SPEAKER_02]: and auto-conditioned ways in which our hormones even fire to take us somewhere.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, we have bacteria and viruses and all the kinds of things living in our body that actually define a lot of what is happening with our choices.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So first of all, it's the awareness in the body.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then there's also the awareness of these, and you mentioned them, Joel is of how I think the world is.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And there's just first a wheeling in there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's what did I learn to believe about myself?
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[SPEAKER_02]: I am that, you know, you hear people saying, this is where I'm, I won't change, that's the way, you know.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So when people say that's the way that there's no way to work with them because am I willing to re-question all of my full stops and my exclamation marks on this is how the world is, this is how I am, this is how it should be.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And so first of all, are you willing to stop for a moment before reacting in anger or fear?
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[SPEAKER_02]: And, or going to your addiction, be it Instagram or speaking for myself Instagram, Instagram or food or sugar or sex or and fill in the blanks, are you willing to feel for a moment and hold
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[SPEAKER_02]: the auto reaction into the space where you actually start having becoming sovereign and having and being in charge of what happens next.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And willing when someone brings up an idea or political stance or says something about you or gives you a feedback, are you willing to before, you know, I just sat down or running to answer and explain and give justifications, are you willing to stop for a moment?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Witness what has been thought that is taking me into this auto-reaction.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Now a lot of what I'm witnessing in the world right now is a reaction or an answer to many people not stopping and asking and questioning and contemplating.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And just acting on action, on action, on action, whether it is actually not being space to unwind these programs.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then the programs continue to perpetuate themselves.
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[SPEAKER_02]: If that makes sense.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So first step is stop.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Now stop doesn't mean I'm going to stop working and stop doing and stop living.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It actually means let's bring out the grown-up in me.
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[SPEAKER_02]: and take charge and listen to the child and what it's wanting to do and how it's wanting to immediately react.
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[SPEAKER_02]: First, then it is willing to go through a bit of a, maybe potentially, potentially, this comfort, because it's not comfortable to stop in your fear before acting out on it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's not comfortable to question long, deep-rooted, sometimes ancestral beliefs about how the world functions.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And not lash out at someone at the dinner table or on a political situation that's happening.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's very difficult to stop and say, wait, wait, maybe I can look at this in more than one way.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Now, much deeper is look at myself in more than one way.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And more than this that has been said to me, since I was a little child, or has been said to my mother about how women should be or my father about how men should behave or how this is.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then after we've stopped and we've looked, it is okay, what do I want to keep?
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[SPEAKER_02]: We're preserving me, life, and what is not?
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[SPEAKER_02]: And how do I now decide?
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[SPEAKER_02]: to give new life a new energy into or actually all the energy to put energy into re-training myself because the body reacts automatically.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The tongue reacts automatically.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The nervous system, the emotional, the lens, they're just on autopilot mostly.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Am I willing to train and re-traine myself in a path that is healthier?
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[SPEAKER_02]: And all those in my circle for those I serve as a leader, for the country I serve as a leader.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I've had the privilege of seeing great leaders very courageously asking these questions at the core level of self.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then saying, oh my goodness gracious me, everything has been running from that program, everything I touch.
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[SPEAKER_02]: from my family, to my business, to my policies, has been running from the me out, from that protective mechanism of trying to hold on to a program that is not actually what you're doing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And that is a decision of I'm going to retrain my mind and my nervous system to act differently.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then,
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[SPEAKER_02]: once that's integrated.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And of course, this all happens in motion.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not asking people to go on five years since sit on a mountain and make a new self.
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[SPEAKER_02]: No, it's not necessary.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This is a time where we are needed, actually, in our, in our grown-upness, in our holistic grown-up.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then, how does that serve?
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[SPEAKER_02]: How do I put that into good use more than just for myself?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Before you may jump in here, Nicholas, if I could just ask a question, well, one reflection is so, our times feel particularly potent for being a kind of dojo, you know, that's having us half to look at ourselves and because there's so much uncertainty as you name that it's,
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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe that's the gift of our times, that it's actually highlighting the way we've been inhabiting the world and ourselves.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But my question as well is, how do we make sure that that choice, that decision to do something differently,
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[SPEAKER_01]: doesn't arise out of a kind of sense of resistance or reaction to what we've, what we, you know, so I noticed like parts can often polarize, you know, so one part doesn't want something or want something ill-part, does and how do we make sure that
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[SPEAKER_01]: that decision is coming out of a different place that doesn't reinforce our patterning.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was a fun question.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's going to go and cheer me.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I have good news and bad news.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The bad news is we will never be sure as long as we live in this world.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Part of the game, if you will, or the learning, or the way we learn is through trial and error, is through, you know, being on the dance floor and, you know, learning where to put my foot and where does it hurt when I put my foot there?
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[SPEAKER_02]: And if I put my foot in another place, it suddenly
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[SPEAKER_02]: And there are ways to practice discernment.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So of course, we're not going to now turn around and make all of the parts, all of who we were yesterday wrong, in order to bring a new one to be right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's not the new program.
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[SPEAKER_02]: What it is more than anything is creating the environment internally and externally.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This is what I can do.
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[SPEAKER_02]: To facilitate
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[SPEAKER_02]: the most certain within the uncertain, of connection with self.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So this is being an inquisitive parent to an internal child.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Rather than a corrective, I know better than you.
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[SPEAKER_02]: way of being.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Now this is, I hope it gives a bit to the answer.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's because certainty, we will never really have in an ever-changing world where we're not in control of all things.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But what we can do is decide to show up in the dojo and trend.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Without making the one that's not training or my lazy part wrong, just seeing it and loving it, and then, come on, let's do it anyway, let's come on.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Hmm.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Is this fail-safe?
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[SPEAKER_02]: No.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Will this and there's a from 20 years of experience with leaders too?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Is will this make the pain less?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Or help me live in a place where when I meet the pains of life, I am still able to access the joys of the growth in it?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Hmm.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, beautiful.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, no such a great question and also answer the occasion.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I would say for myself, it's really about listening to the frequency
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[SPEAKER_00]: might sound whatever it sounds like, but how deep, how deep am I coming from love?
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[SPEAKER_00]: How deep am I holding this whole situation in a frequency of love?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And how much am I needing to somehow speak from my little identity?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Which will have reactions?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And you know for me that's an
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[SPEAKER_00]: But if I'm willing to stop in the way Shani said, and really look, that's one of my most reliable reference points, because I know that difference in myself.
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[SPEAKER_01]: for sure in certificates.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because one of the things that I wrote down from the course was description was recognizing where we speak from, how can we just think that you're going to sense that's what I'm talking about ego itself and so sounds like you're saying yeah, you can really tell the difference between
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think, of course, I think most people listening will recognize you now that it's so true.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Tell when...
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, there's a lot of reactivity here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then if we add to that what I was saying before about how am I literally moving through my every day, anyone I meet, how much am I really available?
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[SPEAKER_00]: For them, I'm not judging, actually meeting and curious and loving to meet you and hear about you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: These are all reference points by which we know how much we're in our smaller identity, which is always polarized.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Our identity always creates polarization, whereas the deeper field, what we call it the unity field, or the heart field, is fundamentally beyond identity.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's also, you know, all the traditions, all parts of all the spoken of this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's, but we're living at a time now where, um, as the old traditions set where it's a kind of junction point, humanity is at a junction point.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I feel it happening in a very quick and equal way in myself, for instance, and in the group, I'm running.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I, you know, it is the multi-level even last night I was working with unamined funds, training teams, and I was supervising them very experienced coach, and he was a broader client situation.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And at one point I just asked him a question about, have you asked your client this?
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[SPEAKER_00]: he went through like he, after five years at this is completely mind-play because my whole belief system was I would never ask that of a client.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's a really good example of an unconscious belief system that was running the whole way he functions and just with a simple question because I could feel the client and what he needed to ask her and it just opened his whole world for you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Love the example of a belief system running the show.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yes.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And maybe adding a few words to that is, you know, in essence,
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[SPEAKER_02]: the quicker, and quicker is tricky also in time.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But I would say something that I find very helpful in distinguishing between the ego and the voice of the ego and the voice of my higher, more life-giving self would be to ask why
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[SPEAKER_02]: Why am I doing what I'm doing?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Why am I defending the position I'm defending?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Who's doing, so Nicholas spoke before about where am I?
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[SPEAKER_02]: I would say where am I and when am I?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Am I in my childhood pattern?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Is that the in front of me in the boardroom that I'm speaking to a drunk who proved something to?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Or is this mum, you know?
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[SPEAKER_02]: And so many times you can exchange the faces and the fights in boardrooms and in the UN on policy meetings will be the little boys often now in this time fighting each other for who's going to be top dog.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And this is not, you know, and then when you ask, why deeper, it's about me and how I am saved and how I look and how I, you know, and how I am loved or not loved.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And whenever that I is there, it's mostly off.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's mostly the egoic voice speaking.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So the Y and my acting, the Y and my doing, you know, why, but really why.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And that's part of the training we offer will be that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We'll be, you know, let's find the, the, but truly courageously because ego wants to polarize as Nikolae said, ego is all about fear, doubt, and judgment.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Let's divide and conquer because when I divide and conquer, I can control that part of you that I don't want to bring to the table.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That is shameful.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That is not acceptable.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And so, if that is there, and the why is because I'm defending something in my sense, because I need to show up like something, because I want you to think something.
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[SPEAKER_02]: than I'm already off, the whole line of energy of that decision, of that policy, of that next step in my life is standing on a foundation of ego.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And we'll usually, it's very interesting to look at family businesses and generational businesses that go through.
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[SPEAKER_02]: At some point, it will break when it's made on the foundation of ego.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And we are witnessing right now in the world a lot of that breakage that has been built in my humble opinion and working again working with the world leaders.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's very interesting to see we are watching a system crumble because it has been built on foundations of ego now is that wrong, not poor that is an opportunity for growth now amazing fantastic great news let us see and remember
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[SPEAKER_02]: What is beyond that mask of division and conquering?
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[SPEAKER_02]: What is beyond the me of the past coming to the table?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Or the me of a desired future because of how it will look, so I'm going to rewrite history a bit.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But rather than that, what is the truth right now?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Who is here right now?
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[SPEAKER_02]: And how can I as a leader come to the table with my pain and my vulnerability?
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[SPEAKER_02]: and my ability to lead to on my insight and foresight, etc.
40:41
[SPEAKER_01]: I've got so many questions bubbling up.
40:43
[SPEAKER_01]: I want to ask you in a moment about the relationship between healing and per person.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's important to be put and tell me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Before I do that,
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[SPEAKER_01]: some people listening and I know, you know, this is what comes up for me as you talk Chani and Nicholas about the kind of leadership that can emerge and working with leaders.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But then I just think about what I see happening right now in mainstream news and it feels so far away from that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, you know, we've already named it actually, um, you know, one of the tendencies in times like these is people kind of double down and get more reactive.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, something I've been thinking about and we've talked about on the podcast is,
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[SPEAKER_01]: how and when and where we'll our field really have impact on the global geopolitical structures, you know, and maybe it's the wrong way to think about it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe it's a bottom-up kind of shift that's going to take place, but yeah, I think a lot of people will be going, this sounds great,
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[SPEAKER_01]: leading from this place.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe that's a strong, maybe I'm very, being very generalistic and maybe the RR a lot of leaders out there who are coming from this place.
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[SPEAKER_02]: One sentence on that and I'd love to hand that to Nicholas.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The one sentence is it takes very little light in the dark room to turn the light on.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So, and what I am seeing on the news is a lot of the energy.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We have a lot of past trauma in my way of calling it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's a lot of that past egoic trauma coming up for free.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And making itself so known that we cannot deny it anymore.
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[SPEAKER_02]: that the illusion, the veil of illusion becomes lifted, because thank you very much to those world leaders that show us illusion so clearly that we can choose to ask deeper questions.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And the leaders that are asking the deeper questions are coming.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They're they're right there, right behind, and they're emerging.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And it doesn't want to take many of those to
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[SPEAKER_02]: turn on the light, that did, sorry, but.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, see, I'm saying to you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think, because, like, someone wrote to me recently, you optimistic part of the world, and where we're going.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I, when someone asked me that, it's always been like that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, I can't speak to the mindset
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[SPEAKER_00]: And there are different ways, I think that's us, that's us, that's us, that's us, that's us, that's us, that's something beautiful about hope it's not about how things are going to turn out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Hope is doing what you know is the right thing to do, because we don't know what's going to unfold, we can't possibly know that we can know what Shani said, for instance,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, small, what looks like small amounts of light can have huge impact.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, and what you said is true, Joel, that mostly what the media presents and what we meet a lot is the old paradigm.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But we also know it's like what you're in a messy call to great unrufully, and it's most likely going to get more and more messy and more and more pain-filled.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and chaotic.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And if we look at an individual's journey, that's often true.
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[SPEAKER_00]: When an individual is close to real transformation, it can be really chaotic, and messy I know it in myself too, and dark, like the light goes up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I really stay open to all the news and sometimes crying very hard to haunt like this a sage and shooting a poet called Good and what he said to her when someone told me the other day what he said to her.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Just after he shot her, I would only want to repeat it yet, I literally just sat and cried.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I think we have to really feel all that but not be
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's very important to feel it, otherwise we go none.
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[SPEAKER_00]: My heart goes none, but I'm not transfixed by that because I feel such a strong connection to a deeper awakening that's happening.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I have no idea how that will play out and I don't need to know how that will play out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I just know that's the right thing that is happening now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm not bothered so much with, well, how long will it take or how many people need to wake up?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Does that make sense?
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[SPEAKER_01]: It does.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And makes me think of how these are soul-making times in a sense.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, the extraordinary...
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[SPEAKER_01]: Act, you know, for example, around the world was that I've taken place, and there's some of the extraordinary things that people do.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so in this point, I mean, you know, yes, just astounding compassion and privilege.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's interesting because I was once on a call with Joanna Maysee.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was only about six years on this call and she offered a transmission to me to was on a call where somebody asked her, you know, how do we respond in these times?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, she said, well, something to the effect of like when the ship goes down and she wasn't literally meaning everything's going to collapse, but she said it, it's time to celebrate.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But the, the, it's, it is time to party, you know, yeah, not, I had anistically put to celebrate life on our humanity.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The, the shine, the, the radius and the rise.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um,
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[SPEAKER_01]: I guess this comes back to this question of like the relationship between healing and the new, our expression of creativity, our capacity to move with the creative unfolding of life and of the ocean.
47:47
[SPEAKER_01]: You mentioned earlier that we can begin to land inside of our own unique kind of expression of life through us.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Could you say something about
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm hearing like one thing is the awareness of our patterns and our beliefs and it's important to not make those wrong but actually love those include those could you talk about this relationship between healing and purpose and
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[SPEAKER_01]: and awakening healing and the journey.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But they're totally intertwined because we're talking about coming back to our deepest essence, not even coming back to it, that's from those coming into our deepest essence.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And you see, okay, I'm going to read you something here because I had a dialogue recently with one of my CEO clients who's in charge of
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[SPEAKER_00]: over 100,000 people, and we've done deep healing and awakening work.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Really.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And he asked me are you optimistic?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I said, I want to ask you a question before I answer.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And my question to him that I wrote was he's a...
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[SPEAKER_00]: I said, when you're in states of deep flow, and you know what they are, and I know he knows what they are.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What's your answer to where the optimistic or pessimistic, and he wrote the most beautiful text he said, at one level, the question disappears.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The spaciousness is what I notice, and not some time-based future concern.
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[SPEAKER_00]: On another level, there's a sense of the beauty and fragility of human experience.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And thirdly, the insights or residue that come from those experiences deepen my resolve to use my leadership platform in service of humanity.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, my God, you're just reading that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because we both totally convinced that in our natural essence, that it fall of us is unfolding more and more deeply, there is an inherently natural purpose.
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[SPEAKER_00]: to give and contribute.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that will be unique for each of us, as Shani said someone needs to build furniture, someone needs to run a country, someone needs to cook very well.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But there is in our deepest natural flow that is purpose.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's not even something we think back, it's just a rises as part of our essential being in the world.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's very clear and it's very beautiful because when we connect with that as well, there's no stress, there's no stress, it's not like, oh my god, I have to fulfill my purpose.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, it's natural expression, who I am in my core.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And what's also interesting and I'm really seeing this in myself that let's say for me I've known for many, many years in a way what I call purposes, but then I also see how my ego itself has often latched on to that and in a way use it for its own ends.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's a very interesting part and part development, which is why we have to keep working on the healing part, the dissolving of the...
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[SPEAKER_00]: the other, the inclusion of these more selfish, self-centered impulses, but the core essence I've known for a long time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And the more that there is the inner work, the more the natural essence, deepens get stronger and has no stress apart it, and more and more impact in the world.
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[SPEAKER_00]: no stress.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Wow, that's a big deal.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's a very, very big deal.
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[SPEAKER_00]: When we really begin to feel into what level of stress is in my nervous system, deep, deep down, the most of the time I'm so busy that I definitely don't have time to notice, which is why the stop that Ash and I mentioned earlier is so critical.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And thank you, right, Nicholas to that pain or to that stress, because thanks to the fact that the boat is sinking, I know that there is something to address.
52:19
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[SPEAKER_02]: with the pain, but rather than finding the quick fixes, let's keep going, let's do something quickly, and I'm giving the energy of it, but I say this.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Let's quickly, rather than doing that, it's like, wow, look at that.
52:47
[SPEAKER_02]: My body is amazing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It tells me when something's on my chest pain, it brings fever, it brings, my soul tells me when something's off, it gives me stress, it gives me sleepless nights, et cetera, et cetera.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I know there's something to address rather than taking a sleeping pill, maybe first ask myself, why am I not sleeping when I'm lying?
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[SPEAKER_02]: What are the thoughts that are keeping me up?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, when I'm in the boardroom and making a big decision, rather than running to the decision, because non-deciding is a two-painful and I can't feel my, and I need something very quickly.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Can you feel the energy of that?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Whoa, I'm running to sign this deal off right now.
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[SPEAKER_02]: What if I could take a breath and ask myself, who's wanting to sign this and why?
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[SPEAKER_02]: In me.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And is it for the great to good or is this going to make a terrible chaos in the future even though right now I can't see it because it's not right in front of my nose, it's only in five years.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And at least that chaos will mean I don't have to feel like.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And it's not my will be someone else because I won't be the CEO anymore at that time.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Or I won't be the country leader anymore at that time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But at least I won't have to feel my life will find science.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And that's where we use the pain of this time.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And we use the uncertainty of this time.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And we can, which is why we're putting up this course really, is, you know, how can we use the energy that's being offered to us in this challenging?
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, let's face it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There is, we are in one boat.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It is very,
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[SPEAKER_02]: Discombobulating to our system when systems are not peaceful around us.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It does affect us.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Great.
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[SPEAKER_02]: What is my peace?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: What is my peace?
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[SPEAKER_02]: But also what is my peace?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'd love to ask you about
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[SPEAKER_01]: structure here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like Shana, you also mentioned, you know, how are, and I think Nicholas you've said this too, how are inner and outer world, you know, reflect each other or outer world reflects our inner world back to us.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And, and
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[SPEAKER_01]: One thing I know you're going to talk about or at least this name is structures and rituals and rhythms that can free our energy and I think that's really powerful to consider that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Could you talk about that a little bit because let me just add one sentence which is
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think what's going to be emerging in our field more is a recognition of how the inner and outer is not separate.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that goes both ways, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, I mean, a lot of the old school or traditionally we didn't do any in-work, you know, so that, so we've, but also,
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[SPEAKER_01]: and somehow create this sense that the inner is actually separate from the outer that but that separation is allusory and so could you say something about I mean you could say anything about what I respond to anything I just said but it's also these structures that enrich
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[SPEAKER_02]: without sharing them over online right now.
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[SPEAKER_02]: How can we, how can we do that, Nigales?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Or maybe talk about the importance of structure and rhythm.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that by the way, that's a beautiful example, just there, of a way of thinking that you hear in some people.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, it's self-indulgent if I put all this energy into my inner development.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's a sort of form that needs to really be questioned.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and actually, completely opened up into actually myself indulgent as a leader if I don't really do my homework.
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[SPEAKER_00]: because what might transmitting what am I transmitting into the world?
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I think without going too much detail, I know one of the things we hold in the work we're going to be doing is the two things are at the core one, it's to question every single one of my beliefs about reality and myself and the second is to be willing to feel everything.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And there are practices for that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I would love if we had three hours we could do some now.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But I feel to your previous question, there is a very serious element of healing here, which is healing, and I would call healing as a remembrance strategy, as a strategy to remember.
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[SPEAKER_02]: as a soothing, as a soothing of the autopilot.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Say, well, with there is more.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There is more to your reality that you've allowed in for very good reasons up to this point.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And let's try it on.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And so we will be practicing the trying on for size, new ways through,
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[SPEAKER_02]: exercises for the mind to exercise with the body and through a lot of mental work too because a lot of the the blocks are in the start in the mental and then and then become anchored in the body to to rewrite or recode or go back to the original code.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's almost like there's an AI system.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We've come with a program and then there are viruses that have come up and stopped the original program from actually being able to express the same thing as that program is really strong.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The light of our soul, I like to call it, is very strong.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So it will find its way through in one way or another through the cracks and if we don't
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[SPEAKER_02]: on the way out, which we're witnessing collectively maybe at this point in time.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So it wants out, truth wants out, your truth wants out, your who you are in collaboration with all of the rest of life, wants to be out in the world.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And so, if you don't allow space for it, it will make you sick, make you angry, make you sad, et cetera, et cetera.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So yes, healing and working the insights of ourselves, all the while being in the world.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So the one, as you say, Joel works with the other.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This is not, I'm going to be a man corner on a mountain because I can only do either my own spirit or my matter or my material world.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But rather, they are interrelated interconnected, we live.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So the one is going to feed the other.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And through it, I will learn and grow and remember.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And amplify and evolve myself, my life, and life around me, not as a someone doing it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: as the natural state of flow of what my soul is and what your soul is and what everybody listening to this podcast, soul is and those not listening to.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yes, yes, and maybe just to give to kind of even give a little bit of a detail for you and for anyone who's listening, um,
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, we have these four sessions and they'll be very structured and we'll be strong input which will invite real deep questioning.
1:01:10
[SPEAKER_00]: there will be exercises together, there will be dialogue together, and then there will be homework, real deep enquiry in the homework.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So what we can say is what activating a multi-level field.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I love what Shini said about our soul light is wanting to come through.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And we feel very strongly, I think we know in the other work we do, that when a strong field gets activated, a lot can happen, a lot can happen in much less time than we think through a multi-level approach, mental, emotional, somatic salt.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So we were in the very much the last kind of design of it now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So we know that for people, these levels will be opened.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that anyone who comes is anyway ready.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And there's a thing for the same, there's a disclaimer, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Nicolas?
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[SPEAKER_02]: And the disclaimer is, this is not for people who want clusters over their pain.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's not people who want, it's not for people who want quick fixes.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This is for, for I want to say, you know, people who are ready to be both the warriors and the healers of their own light.
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[SPEAKER_02]: to become stewards of their light and their light and become warriors and healers of your own light as a service to the greater collective.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And all of this without making it mean anything and without an ego that now I'm going to do my work because now I'm going to save the world.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Not that either.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, this isn't in what is not able to be spoken is the energy of you are your own healer physician,
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[SPEAKER_02]: And no warrior can say no to the parts of one's self that are no longer serving me.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And obviously they haven't been serving me or the world.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm living in right now.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Without the anger that comes with it, but rather with a very like the mother, no.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I say, no, sorry, that's not acceptable behavior.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This is, I love you.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And we're going to raise our banana and show up, show up like we really can.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And show up in kindness, in empowerment, and in evolutionary force of creation.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I was going to ask you to share where we can find out about the course, but as you speak, I just want to name the masculine and feminine qualities of what you just named, which I really like too, because, you know, again, one without the other, you know, I've been in like a self development path, which is all about pushing through and.
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[SPEAKER_01]: you know, just do it and then, and then I went into deep into healing, but then, hey, something, you know, there was something about the masculine impeccability in showing up, which is really powerful.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I love to hear both of these coming together in what you reflect, that this deep love and inclusion and also taking a stand.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I love how you name that, and I do feel very strongly that that's part of the next big evolutionary step.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Is this higher in our integration, we can call it left brain and right brain, we can call it divine masculine, divine feminine,
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I love how you say that the dance together is absolutely critical.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's one of the things we're finding as we work together.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And we look at how our mass-musculine feminine energy is worked together.
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[SPEAKER_00]: which sometimes are not, they're kind of almost reverse sometimes, like sometimes it seems I hold more the deep feminine and shenese very in the masculine and then it can switch and I think we hope also that in a way we model that dance more and more as well.
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[SPEAKER_02]: the first of all, yes, it's a total delight to because as we built and as this workshop has been built, we meet and we address, of course, you know, as to model that within week, you know, I don't believe that we can do anything.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I always say if any, any teacher tells you they've landed run,
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[SPEAKER_02]: Because because as long as we have a body, we will be evolving and we will be growing and there's always a deeper level and even if I've healed so much and myself, there is still happening and therefore there is a responsibility Mary Ann Williams said this the other day she said you know it's time to say okay I've done a lot of in a work here, but come on let me take you with me and you know it's a great opportunity for you to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be
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[SPEAKER_02]: You can do it too, so that is a delight between the Kerasenites.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's been totally gift to share in this space.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I feel like we would probably be doing more of that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And back to the worry and the healer or the masculine and feminine.
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[SPEAKER_02]: A healer needs both.
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[SPEAKER_02]: needs the warrior and the healer in themselves and I give a very easy example for that one.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So for example, a healer is working with an addict.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The addict needs the love, needs the light, needs the support, needs the needs that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But also needs the excuse me, sorry, if you're continuing on that path, I will not be able to help you anymore.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And are you sure, this is the way, look in the mirror, darling, excuse me, darling?
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[SPEAKER_02]: And when you know I've had this many times, you know, in my practice, where you know that healer needs to have a warrior that is able to, yes, bestow the extraordinary love but also put a firm boundary with, need it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And the warrior needs to be able to say, okay, now this needs to be done with.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I am here to stop this inner evil from happening.
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[SPEAKER_02]: or are you from happening?
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[SPEAKER_02]: And yet, never in that will I be acting from hate, who's not coming?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Raged or from the desire to end another thing or another person.
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[SPEAKER_02]: or another country.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It will be out of love because sometimes the only way is to say a very firm no, but it will never be with a close heart.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It will always be with the grief of the need to bestow the firm by saying the mother to a child that wants something which is bad for them.
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[SPEAKER_02]: and needs to say no, but clearly no.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There's no negotiating.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's no.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And, but I want to give the child everything, but no.
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[SPEAKER_02]: No.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And so that is the dance between both.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And Nicky, as you were mentioning, how we play, and we sometimes inverse roles, sometimes I'm the one driving the, okay, next meeting needs to happen here, and then Nicky, as we go, I need to fill in to it, you know?
1:09:01
[SPEAKER_02]: Or vice versa, or vice versa, oh, I'm, sorry, I need to do my hair now.
1:09:04
[SPEAKER_02]: And you know, so we play with that and delight in,
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[SPEAKER_02]: the ability to move in 360, to embody in every moment what is right and give the polarity which then creates because polarity is creative force on planet Earth.
1:09:26
[SPEAKER_02]: But polarity doesn't mean polarization and doesn't mean either all right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They come both to the table.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They are all invited into the
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[SPEAKER_02]: on country V and state level.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and I, I mean, I know for sure, as I tread my own path, which sometimes seems slow and sometimes very quick, that the few, the integration of love and fierceness gets ever strong.
1:10:07
[SPEAKER_00]: and the more my heart is fully in the unit of field of love and care, the stronger I can be with people and they absolutely take it.
1:10:20
[SPEAKER_00]: The warrior of the healer, the warrior of the healer, absolutely in our air and our integration.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's our goal in the swell, all of us who want to have impact in the world in whatever arena
1:10:37
[SPEAKER_00]: feel like there's a whole raining in that.
1:10:40
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, absolutely.
1:10:42
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, well, we'll be speaking into this very deep thing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Of course, you see.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I can be part of this, Scott.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, all of them.
1:10:50
[SPEAKER_01]: I was talking.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm delighted.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'll be joining you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm really really very much in
1:11:00
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, maybe you could just let people know where we can find the program as well.
1:11:04
[SPEAKER_01]: People want to sign up and you can also just share anything else about it that feels important to share as we wrap up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So one thing I share which I think is obvious, but it's good to say it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is a time when groups need to work together.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's a force field when a group comes together with how I intentioned that massively amplifies the developmental process.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And, and again, for those who are not the faint of heart that want to plus around their pain, for those who are willing to meet a next level of their ever present joy and and thriving reality with all of their parts.
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[SPEAKER_02]: love to welcome you of course and to work with you and to share with you and to grow with you because it always a co-creation in these spaces make it as says and and thank you so much George for giving up the space and the time and your questions and I can't wait to work with you and you know on a very practical note we're the courses to be found on
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[SPEAKER_02]: slash radical creativity and we'll be, you know, it's available there for anyone who feels called, we would love to work with you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it starts the next Monday.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, on the 90s.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: For three other sessions soon.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Great.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, four weeks.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We'll link to the registration page on the show notes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Did you say sound, sanctum,
1:13:00
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, it's on SoundSanctum.com slash Radical Creativity in one word.
1:13:08
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you, Shani.
1:13:10
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you, Charles.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you very much.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's been a delight.
1:13:17
[SPEAKER_01]: Here we are.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're at the end of the podcast.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Just do a heads up again.
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1:13:29
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