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The Kenny Report | 16 March · The Kenny Report

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Speaker 1: Line from the Sky New Center.
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Speaker 2: This is the Kenny Report.
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Speaker 1: Welcome to another week here on the Kenny Report, the
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Speaker 1: war against Iran. Tonight, the energy crisis and how Australia,
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Speaker 1: blessed with enviable energy resources, has made.
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Speaker 3: Itself an energy basket case.
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Speaker 1: Andrew Hasty will join me to talk energy security and
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Speaker 1: Shadow Treasurer Tim Wilson on the economic impacts.
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Speaker 3: Well, look at.
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Speaker 1: What's gone on with those on again, off again Iranian
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Speaker 1: soccer playing asylum seekers.
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Speaker 3: What fate do they all face?
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Speaker 1: The AFL is in broad and an anti Semitism scandal,
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Speaker 1: Grace Tame is winging that she's been blackballed, and another
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Speaker 1: arts festival attacks Israel. I'll get a Jewish community perspective
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Speaker 1: with Marty Perlstein.
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Speaker 3: Also we'll cross.
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Speaker 1: To London and we'll have a look at the virtue
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Speaker 1: signalers at the Oscars with Gemmer and Caroline.
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Speaker 3: Let's get cracking.
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Speaker 1: There are a couple of crucial tests coming up for
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Speaker 1: national politics. There's the South Australian election on Saturday, and
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Speaker 1: then just seven weeks later the federal by election in
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Speaker 1: the New South Wales seat of Para to replace former
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Speaker 1: Liberal leader Susan Lee. Angus Taylor was in Farr launching
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Speaker 1: the campaign today.
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Speaker 4: We know that we have to restore confidence in the
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Speaker 4: Liberal Party that we are the party. We and the
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Speaker 4: National Party are the parties that can restore Australian standard
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Speaker 4: of living at a time when it's collapsed under a
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Speaker 4: rotten Labor government and protect our way of life which
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Speaker 4: so many Australians feel is slipping away from them.
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Speaker 3: Now, why will these two elections be so telling? Well?
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Speaker 3: Not because of what's directly at stake.
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Speaker 1: Of course, the South Australian Labor Government and its Premier,
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Speaker 1: Peter Mallanowskis are certain to be re elected this weekend.
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Speaker 1: The Liberals are rump in South Australia, and whether the
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Speaker 1: Liberals hold Farah or it goes to the Nats or
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Speaker 1: it independent, it doesn't really make a big difference in Parliament.
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Speaker 5: Now.
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Speaker 1: The reason these matter is because they'll give us a
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Speaker 1: read on how well one nation is going. Since soaring
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Speaker 1: in the polls over recent months, thirty years after she's
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Speaker 1: snuck into Parliament as a disendorsed Liberal.
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Speaker 3: Candidate, Pauline Hanson is.
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Speaker 1: Riding high, forced a force to be reckoned with once more.
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Speaker 1: She's polling over twenty percent. That is one nation of
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Speaker 1: polling over twenty percent, higher than the coalition.
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Speaker 3: The big question is whether those high poll numbers translate
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Speaker 3: to real votes.
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Speaker 1: If they do, then this weekend One Nation's Corey Bernardi
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Speaker 1: in South Australia and he's running mate Carlos Quaramba will
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Speaker 1: be elected to South Australia's Upper House and they could
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Speaker 1: actually get lower House seats as well. More to the point,
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Speaker 1: they'll have sent a loud warning shot across the nation
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Speaker 1: that one nation's polling does translate to votes. That's the
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Speaker 1: main importance of the Pharao by election two, and one
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Speaker 1: Nation could actually take that seat.
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Speaker 3: The latest National.
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Speaker 1: Resolve poll in the nine newspapers has One Nation rising
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Speaker 1: to the mid twenties almost one in four votes, surpassing
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Speaker 1: the Coalition of course, but also dragging Labor down now
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Speaker 1: below thirty percent. So both both major parties are now
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Speaker 1: polling in the twenties and one nation is there with them.
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Speaker 1: This is uncharted territory for our federal politics. So the
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Speaker 1: two big questions are is one nation really capable of
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Speaker 1: getting more than twenty percent of the vote at the
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Speaker 1: ballot box, and if it does how strongly will one
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Speaker 1: nation preferences flow to the coalition, Because if one nation
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Speaker 1: voters only preference the coalition at about sixty percent their
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Speaker 1: normal rate, the liberals and the Coalition are in serious strife,
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Speaker 1: and labor will be breaking up the popcorn. You know
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Speaker 1: how often I discuss our national energy self harm. We've
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Speaker 1: vandalized our affordable, reliable energy advantage, and we've made ourselves
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Speaker 1: an energy basket case. And hasn't the Iran war shone
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Speaker 1: a light on our lack of energy security. It's only
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Speaker 1: been going a couple of weeks and we're already in
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Speaker 1: dire straits, with fuel prices skyrocketing and ongoing supplies being.
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Speaker 3: A real worry. Yet the labor.
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Speaker 1: Greens and tills types who have led the charge on
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Speaker 1: this national sabotage, well, they talk like this.
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Speaker 6: I think that if to talk specifically of the situation
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Speaker 6: we're in right now, I think that what we need
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Speaker 6: to do is make sure that we are resilient, and
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Speaker 6: I think that is of course, you know, there is
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Speaker 6: a role for gas. I've said this for a number
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Speaker 6: of years. There is definitely a role for gas in
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Speaker 6: this transition. But I think if you're someone who is
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Speaker 6: lucky enough to have solar batteries and electric car, you
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Speaker 6: will be fit feeling the brunt of these current crisis
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Speaker 6: much less than those people who expose to your petrol,
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Speaker 6: gas and diesel price spikes.
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Speaker 1: Really, solar panels from China, and wind turbines from China,
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Speaker 1: and batteries from China, and electric cars from China, they
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Speaker 1: can all solve this. This is how you can run
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Speaker 1: a modern economy, a developed economy. In fact, it's our
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Speaker 1: so called renewables transition that has weakened our energy security.
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Speaker 1: It's the more than one hundred billion dollars spent on
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Speaker 1: this green revolution that's undercut our economy. Think about that,
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Speaker 1: We've spent upwards of one hundred billion dollars to make
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Speaker 1: ourselves weaker and more vulnerable.
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Speaker 3: How dumb are we? How smart is China?
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Speaker 1: Instead of using our ample coal and gas and uranium
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Speaker 1: resources and refining and storing ample fuel reserves for our
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Speaker 1: own energy security, we've helped out other nations through our exports,
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Speaker 1: and we've hurt ourselves. We could have done exactly the opposite,
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Speaker 1: as this former federal labor minister explains.
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Speaker 7: By thinking, you're going to build super refineries, like they
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Speaker 7: do in Southeast Asia. We've limited like cruid. Then you'd
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Speaker 7: say that's crazy, But we do a lot of crazy things, Karen.
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Speaker 7: We throw billions of dollars at untested renewables, projection, green stl,
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Speaker 7: green hydrogen and the like. So it's not irrational to say, well,
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Speaker 7: rather than throw it at that, why don't we throw
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Speaker 7: it at the things we would really need in our
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Speaker 7: military contingency.
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Speaker 5: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: I'll take this up with Andrew Hasty in a moment
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Speaker 1: there even a labor man can see it. But the
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Speaker 1: current mob of labor greens and tills continue the national
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Speaker 1: self harm. What we've done to ourselves is madness. It's
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Speaker 1: going to take a lot of money and a lot
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Speaker 1: of work to get us back on the right track.
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Speaker 1: Now you remember that last week I praised the ceremony
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Speaker 1: the Sydney Swanshild before their first home game of the
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Speaker 1: year the week before, where they honored the victims, the
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Speaker 1: survivors and the heroes of the Bondai massacre. But this
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Speaker 1: is now the focus of a worrying controversy about the
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Speaker 1: Jewish community being effectively sense it out of that ceremony.
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Speaker 3: Here's a reminder of how it played out and.
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Speaker 8: From Hatzela, welcome Rabbi Mendy litzm and a dead cinnamon
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Speaker 8: and representing our community heroes please mate, Welcome Ahmed al Ahmed,
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Speaker 8: thank you for your outstanding contribution to all in our community.
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Speaker 3: We stand with you now.
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Speaker 1: That was very well done, I said so here on
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Speaker 1: the program. I did think at the time it was
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Speaker 1: a little odd that there was no specific reference to
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Speaker 1: the Jewish community, but you saw that they were obviously
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Speaker 1: there and hard to miss, and I didn't want to
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Speaker 1: be too critical. But over the weekend claims were made
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Speaker 1: that the AFL intervened to edit out of the speech
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Speaker 1: any reference to the Jewish community, astonishing. The AFL CEO
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Speaker 1: didn't deny it.
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Speaker 9: I don't know what happened with the script, but what
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Speaker 9: I do know is that it was a fitting tribute
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Speaker 9: on the right stage for what was, as I said before,
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Speaker 9: an horrific anti Semitic attack on the Jewish community.
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Speaker 10: So you're not denying the script was changed, you just
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Speaker 10: don't know who changed it.
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Speaker 9: I didn't see the script. I was on the field
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Speaker 9: as part of that, and I thought Matthew did a
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Speaker 9: great job of hosting that what was an appropriate tribute
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Speaker 9: to the victims of what was an horrific attack on
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Speaker 9: the Jewish comunity.
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Speaker 1: Now this has been referred to the Royal Commission into
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Speaker 1: Bondai and Anti Semitism.
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Speaker 11: It is not a political statement to recognize that Jews
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Speaker 11: were the targets and the overwhelming majority of the victims
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Speaker 11: of the Bondai terrorist attack, which was an anti Semitic
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Speaker 11: terrorist attack, and the AFL certainly has not shown any
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Speaker 11: reluctance at all previously getting involved in political activities.
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Speaker 1: Now this afternoon, the Swans issued a statement saying they
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Speaker 1: edited out the reference to the Jewish community themselves, saying
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Speaker 1: there was no edict from the AFL. They said they
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Speaker 1: did it to be inclusive of everyone involved, and they
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Speaker 1: admit now it was a mistake for which they apologize,
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Speaker 1: and the Swans reiterate that they stand by the Jewish
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Speaker 1: community and to be fair this xy ones have shown
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Speaker 1: this in spades, turning up at Bondai memorial events and
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Speaker 1: embracing the Jewish community and survivors and relatives in their
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Speaker 1: own clubrooms, not to mention, of course, that opening match ceremony.
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Speaker 1: They've done a great job, but there's a salient lesson
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Speaker 1: here isn't there. Don't ignore the Jewish community because some
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Speaker 1: of the hatred that flies their way might come your way.
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Speaker 3: To stand proudly by them. They are for victims.
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Speaker 1: Silence encourages the haters in the battle between good and evil,
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Speaker 1: between victims and terror, there's only one side to choose,
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Speaker 1: and we need to stand up and choose it. Let's
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Speaker 1: go now to the Shadow Industry Minister and the Minister
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Speaker 1: for a National Economic Security as well. Andrew Hasty joins
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Speaker 1: us from Western Australia. Good to speak to you again, Andrew,
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Speaker 1: very keen in the current climate to get your analysis
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Speaker 1: of our lack of energy security. Just bouncing off what
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Speaker 1: Joel Fitzgibbon just said. There there's a labor minister, a
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Speaker 1: former labor defense minister, no less effectively saying a lot
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Speaker 1: of these billions of dollars we've wasted on green schemes
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Speaker 1: could have been funding more refining in this country, which
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Speaker 1: would have obviously boost our economic and national security.
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Speaker 12: Afternoon, Chris, That's exactly right. If you look at Labour's
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Speaker 12: energy and industrial policy, they are two sides of the
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Speaker 12: net zero coin. Labour's strategic objective is decarbonization and hitting
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Speaker 12: net zero. So when you study the documents as I
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Speaker 12: did today and you look at the Future Made in
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Speaker 12: Australia Bill, which is about apparently reindustrializing Australia, it actually
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Speaker 12: precludes the use of crude oil, gas or coal in
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Speaker 12: future projects. So, in fact, rather than a future made
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Speaker 12: in Australia, labor's policies that have a future made overseas. Now,
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Speaker 12: that doesn't protect us in a geopolitical crisis, which is
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Speaker 12: what we're experiencing right now in the Middle East. And
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Speaker 12: if the Strait of Humors stays closed for an extended
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Speaker 12: period of time, we're going to really feel the pinch.
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Speaker 12: And so what we want to see that Albanezer government
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Speaker 12: is come out with a plan to mitigate a long
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Speaker 12: term closure of the Strait of Humus.
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Speaker 3: Now, this hasn't snuck up on us.
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Speaker 1: This has been a vulnerability that's been sure growing increasingly bad.
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Speaker 1: But it's been developing over decades. And you'd remember, of
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Speaker 1: course very well Jim Moland calling this out a decade ago.
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Speaker 1: What we can't undo what's been done obviously, the shutting
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Speaker 1: down of refineries in this country and the massive investment
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Speaker 1: in renewables. But what can we do quickly enough in
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Speaker 1: the future.
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Speaker 12: Well, I want to acknowledge Jim Molan, the late Jim Olan,
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Speaker 12: a great man, a great patriot, and he and I
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Speaker 12: work closely on this. Back in twenty eighteen, I made
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Speaker 12: a recommendation as the chair of the Parliamentary Joint Committee
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Speaker 12: for Intelligence and Security that the Home Affairs Department and
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Speaker 12: the Energy Department actually do an investigation into our liquid
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Speaker 12: field security, which they did and Jim supported me a
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Speaker 12: lot there and he was a good man and we
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Speaker 12: miss him a lot. But look, the big picture here
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Speaker 12: is we are in a new stage of history. We're
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Speaker 12: undergoing a massive rupture and I think Australia is exposed
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Speaker 12: and it's time now that we undergo a period of
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Speaker 12: reindustrialization where we secure our prosperity and our way of life.
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Speaker 12: There are just some things that you can't put to
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Speaker 12: market that government has to take care of, and I
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Speaker 12: think we've gone from eight refineries down to two and
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Speaker 12: that's put us in this position right now. Now. We
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Speaker 12: can point the finger at people in the past, but
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Speaker 12: that doesn't get us anywhere. We've got to be future
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Speaker 12: focused and I think Prime Minister's Ben Schieffley, the Labor
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Speaker 12: Prime minister post World War Two and the great Liberal
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Speaker 12: Prime Minister Rob Menzies. Both of them in the post
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Speaker 12: war years underwent a period of sustained industrialization of the
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Speaker 12: Australian economy, and that's something we've got to look at
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Speaker 12: right now and into the future so that we don't
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Speaker 12: get exposed to these geopolitical shocks.
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Speaker 1: We have enviable amounts of energy in this country when
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Speaker 1: it comes to.
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Speaker 3: Uranium, to coal and to gas.
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Speaker 1: Is there anything more we should be doing that? Of
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Speaker 1: course we should be producing more energy through reliable means,
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Speaker 1: be that coal or uranium. But is there anything we
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Speaker 1: can do in the gas or oil exploration field so
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Speaker 1: that we are actually more independent when it comes to
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Speaker 1: liquid fuels rather than even if we had more refining.
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Speaker 1: Of course, we're still exposed to sea lanes being closed
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Speaker 1: to get that crude to us.
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Speaker 12: Well, that's right, there's no point having refineries if you
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Speaker 12: dependent on crude oil from overseas. You've actually got to
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Speaker 12: have crude here in Australia. And there are opportunities. There's
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Speaker 12: betterloo basin, there's obviously the Bass Strait. There's a project
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Speaker 12: Dorado off Port Headland about one hundred and forty kilometers
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Speaker 12: off Port Headland.
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Speaker 2: There's a fair bit in.
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Speaker 12: The ground and we've got to make it economically viable
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Speaker 12: for people to drill and extract and then ref find
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Speaker 12: that in this country and so Labour's net zero obsession
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Speaker 12: has pretty much ruled that out, which is why a
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Speaker 12: lot of people are going offshore, big companies are going
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Speaker 12: offshore to look for energy elsewhere.
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Speaker 2: We could be an energy superpower.
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Speaker 12: We could have to quote the Canadian opposition leader Pierre Polyiev,
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Speaker 12: he said today, you know Canada could have strength at
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Speaker 12: home and immense leverage abroad.
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Speaker 2: The same is true of us here in Australia.
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Speaker 12: We could have great strength at home and leverage abroad
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Speaker 12: with our abundance of energy that we have in the ground.
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Speaker 3: Now, there's no doubt about that.
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Speaker 1: It's an incredible ongoing case of national energy self farm.
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Speaker 3: You talk about the current energy.
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Speaker 1: Crisis, but this is about as tame as it could
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Speaker 1: get for us, because this is you know, the slowing
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Speaker 1: of crude out of the Straits of Willmor's for two weeks.
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Speaker 1: In any sort of sizeable conflict in the Middle East
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Speaker 1: or in our region, we could be exposed to more
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Speaker 1: dramatic cut in supply lasting a lot longer. Yet already
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Speaker 1: you know, I paid two dollars seventy I think almost
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Speaker 1: for diesel on the weekend. Tell us what you think
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Speaker 1: is going to happen in coming weeks when it comes
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Speaker 1: to both price and supply.
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Speaker 12: Well, there's a cost of living issue and there's a
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Speaker 12: fuel security issue. Cost of living we're already experiencing. Before
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Speaker 12: the war in i run Un started, inflation was at
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Speaker 12: three point eight percent. Austrains were already doing it tough
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Speaker 12: under a big spending Albanesi labor government. Things are about
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Speaker 12: to get a lot tougher, and we're seeing that with
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Speaker 12: the fuel prices.
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Speaker 2: Everyone's going to be impacted.
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Speaker 12: Households, small businesses, heavy industry are all going to be
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Speaker 12: impacted by a price spike because of what's happening in
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Speaker 12: the Middle East.
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Speaker 2: And then there's the larger issue of fuel security.
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Speaker 12: If the straight Up for Moors closes for an extended
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Speaker 12: period of time, we're exposed.
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Speaker 2: Twenty percent of the world's oil and gas moves.
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Speaker 12: Through the Straightup for Moos and it goes to places
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Speaker 12: like Malaysia, Singapore and South Korea, which is where we
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Speaker 12: get our oil from. So We're exposed and that's why
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Speaker 12: the Albanezi government has to come up with a plan
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Speaker 12: to mitigate the risk of a long term.
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Speaker 2: Closure of the strata fromwards.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it is a deep worry and they can't say
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Speaker 1: they weren't warned. Thanks for joining us, Andrew, I appreciate it.
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Speaker 1: Andrew Hasty there, who's, of course is the Shadow Industry
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Speaker 1: Minister joining us live from Perth or from Western Australia.
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Speaker 1: Let's go now to Victoria and catch up with the
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Speaker 1: Shadow Treasurer Tim Wilson. Actually he's in Canberra as he
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Speaker 1: joins us, so good to talk to you again, Tim.
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Speaker 1: Just flowing on from this conversation the economic repercussions of
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Speaker 1: what's happening with the oil and energy crisis. We're expecting
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Speaker 1: to see an acceleration in the interest rate increases. It
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Speaker 1: seems to be a lay down bazire that rates will
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Speaker 1: go up again tomorrow.
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Speaker 13: Well until we see the RBA's decision. I'm not going
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Speaker 13: to declare it done and dusted, but the RBA will
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Speaker 13: know from the December data, the inflation data from December,
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Speaker 13: which was well before anything in Tehran. Canberra's spending and
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Speaker 13: particularly pouring debt, petrol and the inflation fire was already
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Speaker 13: putting massive upward pressure on interest rates. That's why they've
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Speaker 13: gone up already. And where one of only eight countries
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Speaker 13: out of eight countries in the world that are considering
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Speaker 13: these things right now, where the only one that are
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Speaker 13: looking like is going to be a rise.
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Speaker 1: It's a case of double jeopardy though for homeowner is
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Speaker 1: isn't it Because anyone who's squeezed by their interest rates
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Speaker 1: at the moment is also going to be squeezed by
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Speaker 1: increasing petrol prices, and then they're squeezed again by more interest.
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Speaker 3: Rate to increases. It seems a very blunt instrument that's going.
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Speaker 13: To hurt the people who can afford at least, there's
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Speaker 13: no doubt about Australian households are doing it really tough
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Speaker 13: right now. And one of the most frustrating things is
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Speaker 13: leading up to these events, there was constant calls for
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Speaker 13: the Treasurer to stop pouring debt, petrol and the inflation fire,
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Speaker 13: to slow down the spending and the spending addition diction
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Speaker 13: of the alban Easy government, and they told everybody they
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Speaker 13: didn't know what they were talking about, and so they've
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Speaker 13: kept the fire burning, and now I've had an international
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Speaker 13: event come along that is obviously putting much more pressure
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Speaker 13: on the Reserve Bank, and that's why we're staring at
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Speaker 13: this potential scenario tomorrow. It's deeply worrying for households who
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Speaker 13: are already doing it tough.
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Speaker 14: No.
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Speaker 1: I mean, there's no doubt that the underlying inflation problem
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Speaker 1: we've got has been caused by their spending in large
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Speaker 1: part and was underway before this crisis hit. But it
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Speaker 1: looks like, you know, it's going to push the bank
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Speaker 1: along because of what the increasing oil prices does for inflation.
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Speaker 1: I want to get to potential short term remedies here.
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Speaker 1: Of course, Scott Morrison, when he was in government, have
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Speaker 1: the petrol egg size to give people a bit of relief.
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Speaker 1: I noticed the South Australian liberals are calling for that.
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Speaker 3: Now should that happen.
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Speaker 13: Well, this is ultimate question for the Treasurer. But it's
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Speaker 13: very clear to me that the adjustment of excise goes
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Speaker 13: up twice a year adjusted to inflation, and there's clearly
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Speaker 13: going to be an increase associated with this conflict. The
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Speaker 13: treasure has been in denial about that to this point. Obviously,
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Speaker 13: the price implications are significant, severe for his budget, But
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Speaker 13: that's what happens when you don't have spending under control,
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Speaker 13: as he isn't. I mean, this is one of these
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Speaker 13: times where all your chickens are coming home to roost
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Speaker 13: all the same time.
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Speaker 3: For Jim Chalmers, he's.
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Speaker 13: Avoided dealing with corruption, he's avoided dealing with spending problems,
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Speaker 13: and as a consequence, his hands are tied in how
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Speaker 13: he's going to responsibly respond to this crisis.
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Speaker 1: All right, but a cut in exercise gives immediate relief
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Speaker 1: to consumers around the country. Your own colleagues in the
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Speaker 1: South Australian Liberal Party, in the last week of an
20:43
Speaker 1: election campaign, are calling for it. Do you agree with
20:46
Speaker 1: their policy position?
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Speaker 13: Well, I don't make decisions based on television interviews. We
20:52
Speaker 13: look at these things very carefully. But I know that
20:54
Speaker 13: Australian consumers would very much appreciate any pause right now
20:59
Speaker 13: because they know very clearly that they're paying a lot
21:02
Speaker 13: at the bowser. Unfortunately, it may go up from here.
21:06
Speaker 3: We'll wait and see.
21:07
Speaker 13: That's going to depend in part of what Andrew was
21:09
Speaker 13: talking about before. But we also need to know the
21:12
Speaker 13: consequences and the flowing consequences.
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Speaker 3: This is not about a television interview.
21:16
Speaker 1: This is a South Australian Liberal policy in the here
21:19
Speaker 1: and now about petrol exercise, petrol excise. Do their federal
21:25
Speaker 1: colleagues support their policy or not it relates to a
21:27
Speaker 1: federal excise.
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Speaker 13: I understand, and that's why I make informed decisions based
21:34
Speaker 13: on what's being put forward.
21:35
Speaker 1: But what we know so you can't back room, you
21:39
Speaker 1: can't back their policy now, well.
21:42
Speaker 13: Not without going through the proper processes as we always do, Chris.
21:45
Speaker 13: But one of the things we do know is that
21:47
Speaker 13: Jim Armas has been in denial about the link between
21:52
Speaker 13: inflation and the increase in the excise to date, and
21:57
Speaker 13: I think he's got to come forward and say what
21:59
Speaker 13: he thinks the impact going to be.
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Speaker 3: Be sure sure what happens. The honess is on the
22:04
Speaker 3: government and you're not the government.
22:05
Speaker 1: But you know, I'm just a boy from the burbs,
22:08
Speaker 1: but I can't quite understand this. It's a South Australian
22:10
Speaker 1: Liberal policy to reduce a federal excise and as the
22:14
Speaker 1: Federal Shadow treasure you can't tell me whether you agree
22:17
Speaker 1: with it or not.
22:19
Speaker 13: But well, I mean I will always of course support
22:21
Speaker 13: lower taxes, Chris, But I take things through a proper
22:24
Speaker 13: process in terms of making announcements around tax I don't
22:27
Speaker 13: just make them based on this situation.
22:30
Speaker 1: I can completely Australian.
22:34
Speaker 13: I always want to see a lower price in taxes
22:36
Speaker 13: as well.
22:36
Speaker 3: But that does that mean that you've got.
22:37
Speaker 1: The South Australian liberals calling for a reduction in a
22:40
Speaker 1: federal tax and they haven't consulted yet.
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Speaker 13: Well, what it means is that they're they're making a
22:47
Speaker 13: request on the federal sphere, and of course they're more
22:50
Speaker 13: than entitled to be able to do so. I mean,
22:53
Speaker 13: I think everybody in Australia wants to see a reduction
22:56
Speaker 13: in the fuel excise because where everyone's paying for the
22:59
Speaker 13: price at the BAT has said, I just take things
23:02
Speaker 13: through the proper process.
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Speaker 3: All right, let's finish on a light note.
23:05
Speaker 1: As a demon supporter, you probably found your voice yesterday
23:08
Speaker 1: and was singing the demon's song.
23:10
Speaker 3: But last week you were singing in parliament.
23:13
Speaker 2: Do do Do, Do, Do Do do?
23:16
Speaker 3: The treasure did start the inflation fire.
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Speaker 13: The inflation's burning while the treasure is squirming. The treasure
23:23
Speaker 13: did start inflation fire.
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Speaker 3: Will you be singing in public anymore? Well?
23:31
Speaker 13: I always want to keep the focus on inflation and
23:34
Speaker 13: making sure that the government is held accountable for the
23:38
Speaker 13: fact they're pouring debt petrol on the inflation fire. And
23:41
Speaker 13: I gave seventy speeches that day on that topic, but
23:45
Speaker 13: everybody decided they wanted to focus on that one because
23:48
Speaker 13: it obviously said something important in a different way.
23:51
Speaker 3: You got there.
23:52
Speaker 13: I'm going to do everything I can to hold this
23:54
Speaker 13: government to account.
23:55
Speaker 3: Well, I'm Tim, thanks for joining us. And it's a
23:57
Speaker 3: grand old flag.
23:58
Speaker 1: They were singing that for the Melbourne Demons yes yesterday,
24:00
Speaker 1: surprise win over St Kilda and.
24:02
Speaker 3: It's great to have footy back. Got to get to
24:04
Speaker 3: a break.
24:04
Speaker 1: On the other side, we're going to have a look
24:05
Speaker 1: at what's going on with those Iranian soccer players. Of
24:09
Speaker 1: the seven granted asylum, only two.
24:12
Speaker 3: Are still here.
24:19
Speaker 1: A fifth member of Iran's women's soccer team has withdrawn
24:23
Speaker 1: her claim for asylum in Australia. Only two players remain
24:27
Speaker 1: in the country after seven of the team members were
24:30
Speaker 1: granted humanitarian visas by the Australian government last week. Here's
24:35
Speaker 1: Assistant Foreign Affairs min It's to Matt Thistlethwaite on Sky
24:37
Speaker 1: this morning.
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Speaker 9: There's a deeply personal decisions and the government respects the
24:41
Speaker 9: decisions of those that have chosen to return, and we
24:45
Speaker 9: continue to offer support to the two that are remaining.
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Speaker 1: Tina Kordristami is an Iranian expat with ties to the team.
24:53
Speaker 1: She joins me again in the studio. Thanks for joining us, Tina.
24:56
Speaker 1: I know we only spoke to you late last week,
24:58
Speaker 1: but there's been so much happening in this issue over
25:01
Speaker 1: the weekend.
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Speaker 3: Five women.
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Speaker 1: It seems incredible that five women who have made what
25:07
Speaker 1: we know is a brave and tough decision to stay
25:09
Speaker 1: in Australia have changed their minds.
25:11
Speaker 3: Why would they have changed their minds.
25:14
Speaker 15: It's getting worse for them. The news coming to them
25:17
Speaker 15: about their families is getting worse and worse. So it's
25:20
Speaker 15: no longer we've taken in your family. They are missing.
25:24
Speaker 15: There have been videos even shared with the women themselves,
25:29
Speaker 15: of certain family members. So it was an incredibly hard
25:33
Speaker 15: decision to make. It's even harder now.
25:36
Speaker 1: Is it as blunt as that threatening the lives of
25:38
Speaker 1: their family members if they don't return.
25:41
Speaker 15: This plays exactly into the regimes playbook. I do, however,
25:45
Speaker 15: think the treatment of these girls here in Australia has
25:48
Speaker 15: a role to play in their return. I don't think
25:51
Speaker 15: we were prepared when it came to assessing and vetting
25:55
Speaker 15: the delegations coming into the country. I don't think we
25:59
Speaker 15: moved in fast enough with enough aggression to help the
26:03
Speaker 15: girls when they needed it right after that first game.
26:05
Speaker 15: And I do think that isolating them from the Iranian
26:09
Speaker 15: DIESPRA within Australia hasn't been helpful.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it would have been handy for them to be
26:13
Speaker 1: in touch with people directly so that they're actually understand
26:17
Speaker 1: what life would be like here in Australia and what
26:19
Speaker 1: support they've got. I just want to show the pictures
26:21
Speaker 1: that were taken of them with our Home Affairs Minister
26:24
Speaker 1: Tony Burke after they defected, because there's been a lot
26:27
Speaker 1: of commentary on these photos saying that by posing in
26:32
Speaker 1: a photo with the players, Tony Burke might have further
26:35
Speaker 1: endangered them. It means that when they look like they're
26:38
Speaker 1: supporting the Australian government, that brings politics into it. To
26:42
Speaker 1: be honest, I'm not critical of him over that. I
26:44
Speaker 1: think it was a moment of freedom and he was
26:47
Speaker 1: right to celebrate with them. But there they are with
26:50
Speaker 1: a man who is not a family member. They have
26:53
Speaker 1: their veils off. Isn't that also endangering them now when
26:58
Speaker 1: they go back to Iran so flagrantly broken those religious
27:04
Speaker 1: rules against women.
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Speaker 15: Absolutely, I'm glad you mentioned that, are not me. This
27:08
Speaker 15: is going to add to the potential harassments and prosecutions
27:13
Speaker 15: that they're going to be facing back home, which is
27:15
Speaker 15: why many within the Iranian diaspora they weren't too happy
27:19
Speaker 15: about this. That's the first thing we notice their hair
27:22
Speaker 15: showing the fact that they're they're within a closed space
27:25
Speaker 15: with another man. This is just another piece of ammunition
27:29
Speaker 15: for the regime. It was not necessary.
27:32
Speaker 3: I mean, the terrible reality here, isn't it.
27:35
Speaker 1: It must be that they've been threatened over the lives
27:38
Speaker 1: of relatives and friends.
27:39
Speaker 3: To get them to go back to Iran.
27:41
Speaker 1: And if they can get back there, it's not going
27:43
Speaker 1: to be easy getting back in during this war. But
27:45
Speaker 1: if they get back there, they might be used as
27:47
Speaker 1: a propaganda tool initially or whatever, but they and their
27:51
Speaker 1: families could then be persecuted, imprisoned or worse anyway.
27:55
Speaker 15: Absolutely, there are two things that can happen to these girls.
27:58
Speaker 15: In our opinion, One is horrible prosecution. They could even
28:03
Speaker 15: face the death penalty, I'll be honest. But the second
28:06
Speaker 15: is the regime can use this as a propaganda tool.
28:10
Speaker 15: We see the effects of this propaganda on our very
28:13
Speaker 15: own streets with people carrying the regimes flags, non Iranians
28:17
Speaker 15: carrying these flags. And what shocked me the most was
28:20
Speaker 15: seeing Masa Amini's photo right next to these flags. Masa,
28:24
Speaker 15: who died at the hands of this regime, had her
28:27
Speaker 15: face paraded in our streets next to the regimes flag.
28:30
Speaker 15: So they're propaganda's working clearly. If they spin this around
28:34
Speaker 15: into a story about how they saved some girls and
28:37
Speaker 15: that they were kidnapped, it's going to aid their global
28:42
Speaker 15: movement that they've begun, which is working as well for them.
28:45
Speaker 15: They have nothing else going for them except for this propaganda.
28:48
Speaker 1: Now, just finally, I'm keen to get your assessment of
28:51
Speaker 1: what's going on in a round. We know, of course,
28:53
Speaker 1: the Israelis and the Americans are attacking regime and military targets,
28:57
Speaker 1: but we know in war there are always civili in casualties.
29:01
Speaker 1: I get a lot of communication from Iranian, Australians and
29:05
Speaker 1: around the world actually saying there's no internet in Iran.
29:08
Speaker 1: They can't get information out. They don't know what's going on.
29:11
Speaker 1: To the best of your knowledge, what's unfolding in the
29:14
Speaker 1: war in the major cities of Iran as we.
29:17
Speaker 15: Speak, Well, think about it. Like I said before, there
29:20
Speaker 15: is no aid or bunkers or support provided to the civilians.
29:23
Speaker 15: This is something that the regime has no care for.
29:26
Speaker 15: And as you mentioned, there is going to be a
29:29
Speaker 15: lot of lives loss as well. But not only that,
29:33
Speaker 15: our political prisoners and our starving behind Barsna is even
29:36
Speaker 15: looking after them, and we have politicians like Ara actually
29:40
Speaker 15: coming onto live television telling the globe that they are
29:44
Speaker 15: representatives of the civilians and that's why they have access
29:47
Speaker 15: to the internet while the people don't. So what we
29:51
Speaker 15: had before in that country has remained, and it's just
29:55
Speaker 15: gotten worse in terms of people now dying. Because I
30:00
Speaker 15: believe in collateral damage. I don't believe in war, but
30:03
Speaker 15: I do believe that in order to remove this regime,
30:06
Speaker 15: we do need intervention. We need help from outside and
30:10
Speaker 15: people are dying every single day as an effect of
30:13
Speaker 15: this war.
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Speaker 3: Thanks for joining us again, Tina. I appreciate it.
30:18
Speaker 1: A Coudrastami there who's a memory of the Australian Iranian community.
30:22
Speaker 3: Now we're going to get to a break again.
30:24
Speaker 1: I want to get back onto the topic of anti
30:25
Speaker 1: Semitism because there have been shocking examples of that running
30:30
Speaker 1: a market in our community again and I'll get a
30:32
Speaker 1: perspective from a Jewish community leader. Now, the former Australian
30:41
Speaker 1: of the Year, Grace Tame, has taken to Instagram to
30:45
Speaker 1: winge about losing paid work, writing that she's lost three
30:49
Speaker 1: speaking engagements due to an ongoing media smear campaign.
30:55
Speaker 3: Really she's the victim on this one.
30:58
Speaker 1: We will recall she made this disgusting call to arm
31:03
Speaker 1: set a protest in Sydney last month from.
31:07
Speaker 14: Gadigal to Gaza Global Life.
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Speaker 2: The angifier won.
31:11
Speaker 14: My time from Gadigol to.
31:13
Speaker 3: Gadha Global Life.
31:17
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what's turned some people against it, calling for
31:20
Speaker 1: an armed uprising against Israel and Jews in Australia, around
31:25
Speaker 1: the world as well as in Israel. Of course, words
31:29
Speaker 1: have consequences, especially hateful words like that. Let's bring in
31:34
Speaker 1: Jewish community advocate Marny Perlstein. Good to talk to you again,
31:38
Speaker 1: many Grace Tame, get any sympathy.
31:41
Speaker 14: From you, not an ounce of sympathy, Chris, I mean,
31:44
Speaker 14: Grace Tame has lost speaking engagements, but I can give
31:49
Speaker 14: you a long list of things that the Jewish community
31:52
Speaker 14: have lost because of people who speak the way that
31:54
Speaker 14: she does. And she may conveniently say that into fata
31:59
Speaker 14: is to find as an uprising, but you cannot separate
32:03
Speaker 14: the very real history from the definition of that term.
32:07
Speaker 14: And the history is that there were two defined periods
32:10
Speaker 14: in Israel where there were Palestinian uprisings. They were very
32:14
Speaker 14: recent historical periods, the first in nineteen eighty seven till
32:18
Speaker 14: ninety three, the second in two till two thousand and five,
32:22
Speaker 14: where Palestinians stabbed Israelis, blew up buses, blew up pizza shops,
32:28
Speaker 14: and waged violent campaigns against Israelis. And when you call
32:34
Speaker 14: for the globalization of the interfada, you are calling for
32:39
Speaker 14: violence against Jews worldwide, and quite frankly, that is exactly
32:42
Speaker 14: what Grace Tane has got in the last week, because
32:45
Speaker 14: in the last week alone, Chris, there has been a
32:48
Speaker 14: car ramming in a synagogue in Michigan, three synagogues attacked
32:52
Speaker 14: in Toronto, one in Belgium, one in Rotterdam in the Netherlands,
32:55
Speaker 14: one in Norway and a school bombing, a Jewish school
32:58
Speaker 14: bombing in Amsterdam. So the globalization of the into Fata
33:01
Speaker 14: is well and truly here thanks to people like Grace Tame.
33:04
Speaker 1: Look, this idea of going to some literal translation of
33:08
Speaker 1: into Farda as an excuse, to me is just so
33:11
Speaker 1: dishonest and insulting, because everybody knows what into Farta is.
33:16
Speaker 1: It's been cheered so loudly for two and a half years.
33:19
Speaker 1: And just to join the dots for Grace Tame, there
33:22
Speaker 1: were people on Bondi Beach last September chanting to globalize
33:27
Speaker 1: the into Farda, and then three months later we had
33:29
Speaker 1: fifteen people slaughtered at a huneker event on Bondai at Bondi.
33:35
Speaker 3: And yet weeks after that.
33:37
Speaker 1: She goes out publicly and still calls for a globalization
33:40
Speaker 1: of the Interfarta from Gadigall, from Sydney to right around
33:44
Speaker 1: the world. It is despicable, yet she portrays herself as
33:47
Speaker 1: the victim.
33:48
Speaker 3: I want you to go through some of the ways
33:51
Speaker 3: that the.
33:52
Speaker 1: Jewish community in this country has suffered over the past
33:56
Speaker 1: two and a half years. Grace Tame is focused on
33:59
Speaker 1: her losing some paid speaking engagements. What's it been like
34:02
Speaker 1: for Jews living in this country over the past two
34:05
Speaker 1: and a half years.
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Speaker 14: Well, firstly, I want to say it's interesting that you
34:08
Speaker 14: had Tina on before me, because the regime that engineered
34:12
Speaker 14: into FATA is the very same regime that is suppressing
34:16
Speaker 14: Iranian women and the women of the Iranian soccer team.
34:19
Speaker 14: So this all roads lead to one thing, and the
34:23
Speaker 14: Jewish community has lost a lot in the last two
34:25
Speaker 14: and a half years. But actually I believe that all
34:27
Speaker 14: of Australia has lost a lot. While Jewish parents have
34:31
Speaker 14: lost the ability to know that we send our kids
34:33
Speaker 14: to schools safely, and while we've lost the easy entry
34:39
Speaker 14: into our religious places of worship or to our large
34:43
Speaker 14: scale functions because we don't know we would be safe
34:47
Speaker 14: at those at those events, all of Australians have lost
34:51
Speaker 14: the ability to know that they will definitely be safe
34:54
Speaker 14: when they are on Bondi Beach, or if they are
34:56
Speaker 14: on the steps of the Opera House or at any
34:58
Speaker 14: major Australian lab Because the INTERFATA does not discriminate. There
35:03
Speaker 14: were non Jewish people who were killed on Bondi Beach.
35:06
Speaker 14: There were Christians, drus and Muslims. Who were killed by
35:09
Speaker 14: radical Islamists in Israel on October seven. And we are
35:13
Speaker 14: all losing something when we each hunt for this kind
35:17
Speaker 14: of violence.
35:18
Speaker 1: Yet we saw a dj Harram, she calls herself, shouting
35:23
Speaker 1: this at the b and Ali in Sydney on the weekend.
35:26
Speaker 2: From the river to the thief.
35:28
Speaker 1: Qualified well be free, the restive.
35:35
Speaker 2: And glory to all of our martyrs.
35:39
Speaker 3: Now, you can't help hateful idiots, Marni.
35:42
Speaker 1: But it drives me nuts that taxpayers keep funding these
35:46
Speaker 1: arts festivals and writers' festivals, and on the taxpayer dime
35:50
Speaker 1: they spew that sort of biol and dangerous hatred.
35:53
Speaker 2: We can help bringing.
35:54
Speaker 14: Help, We can help bringing idiots like that into this country.
35:58
Speaker 3: I mean, if all that before, she's a visitor.
36:02
Speaker 14: She's a visitor. She was brought in by America. She
36:05
Speaker 14: was given a visa by the Home Affairs Department. It
36:08
Speaker 14: was very clear on her Instagram page to see what
36:11
Speaker 14: she believes in. And I don't I don't understand how
36:16
Speaker 14: people like Sammy Yahood and a yell at shuck head
36:20
Speaker 14: Hillel Fuller being banned from entering this country. But you
36:22
Speaker 14: have someone who gets up to open our Biernali in
36:27
Speaker 14: Sydney on Friday night with that kind of language, and
36:30
Speaker 14: we are we are paying for that one point six
36:33
Speaker 14: million dollars of New South Wales tax payer money eight
36:36
Speaker 14: hundred and seventy nine thousand dollars of federal grants given
36:41
Speaker 14: to the Bernali for us to hear this kind of propaganda,
36:45
Speaker 14: because this is not art, Chris, this is propaganda, this
36:48
Speaker 14: is this is ridiculous, it's hate speeches.
36:51
Speaker 1: One of this is thanks for joining us, Marney, really
36:53
Speaker 1: appreciate your insights. Marney Perlstein. There a Sydney Jewish community advocate.
36:58
Speaker 1: And look, while I haven't been critical of Tony Burke
37:01
Speaker 1: over the Iranian soccer players, in fact I have praised
37:04
Speaker 1: what he's done there and I continue to this is
37:07
Speaker 1: where Tony Burke is answerable.
37:09
Speaker 3: This is where he's wrong, This is where he lets
37:11
Speaker 3: down the country.
37:12
Speaker 1: This bloke has a banned, blocked, scrapped the visas for
37:17
Speaker 1: a number of Israeli politicians, former politicians and public advocates,
37:22
Speaker 1: all of the mainstream talking sense. Yet he allows these
37:25
Speaker 1: sorts of hate speakers to come into the country.
37:29
Speaker 3: Such a double standard.
37:30
Speaker 1: Let's got to London now and catch up with news
37:32
Speaker 1: Court correspondent and Sky News contributor to Sophier's worth back
37:35
Speaker 1: in London after a time in Israel. Good to talk
37:38
Speaker 1: to you again, Sophie. Give us the latest on the
37:43
Speaker 1: events back in the Middle East. Of course, with Donald
37:46
Speaker 1: Trump trying to get a bit of a coalition together
37:48
Speaker 1: to protect oil exports through the Straits of Wilmors, is
37:52
Speaker 1: the UK is Keir Starmer the non Winston Churchill likely
37:56
Speaker 1: to stump up?
37:58
Speaker 10: Oh great to be Ris. Look, that's obviously the latest
38:02
Speaker 10: development here in there. What I would argue is now
38:05
Speaker 10: a fractured relationship between Donald Trump and Sakia Starmer. They
38:10
Speaker 10: were getting on extremely well until recent weeks and as
38:14
Speaker 10: we know, Donald Trump said he is no Winston Churchill
38:17
Speaker 10: and now Sakia has not committed to assisting blocking the
38:21
Speaker 10: straight of her moves. So this is another issue that's
38:25
Speaker 10: raised that could really damage the relationships with the relationship
38:30
Speaker 10: between the two countries, Chris, because we know they are
38:33
Speaker 10: long standing allies and they've gone on reasonably well given
38:38
Speaker 10: they have very differing political views. So this could be
38:41
Speaker 10: incredibly damaging for the UK, but very much in Sekia's
38:45
Speaker 10: Starmer's style, Chris, where he either doesn't take a position,
38:49
Speaker 10: he's unsure, or he just waits and backtracks, and then
38:52
Speaker 10: maybe he does the one eighty. So we'll see what
38:55
Speaker 10: happens today, Chris.
38:56
Speaker 1: Maybe he waste to see what the EU does get
38:59
Speaker 1: follow the spinelessess of the EU.
39:01
Speaker 3: Here's what Trump's had to say.
39:03
Speaker 5: We're talking to countries about policing the streets. They sat
39:08
Speaker 5: with the countries, police sat with us, and we'll help.
39:12
Speaker 5: We'll work with them militarily. As far as I'm concerned,
39:15
Speaker 5: we've essentially defeated the RAND.
39:19
Speaker 3: Yeah.
39:19
Speaker 1: Interestingly, it's the non alliance countries really, and even the
39:24
Speaker 1: country is seen as ideological enemies of America who benefit
39:27
Speaker 1: probably most from the oil going through that region. I'm
39:30
Speaker 1: thinking of China especially, but also of India, and maybe
39:33
Speaker 1: they need to do a bit more in this respect.
39:36
Speaker 1: I want to go to this issue of anti Semitism
39:39
Speaker 1: though as well, Sophie. I've just been talking to about
39:41
Speaker 1: how it raises its ugly head still here in Australia,
39:44
Speaker 1: and there's been another instance in the UK with this
39:47
Speaker 1: rapper Bobby Villain.
39:49
Speaker 3: Let's have a look.
39:59
Speaker 1: Now, I've seen so much this hatred in the UK.
40:01
Speaker 1: We've seen so many terrorist attacks and to taxa antisemitica
40:05
Speaker 1: tacks in the UK.
40:06
Speaker 3: Yet this sort of stuff goes on still, unfortunately it does.
40:12
Speaker 10: Indeed, Chris now, this rapper was in hot water last
40:15
Speaker 10: year when he did the same thing. He chanted death
40:18
Speaker 10: death to the IDF at Glastonbury Music Festival. He was
40:22
Speaker 10: investigated by police and no charges were laid. But again
40:26
Speaker 10: it's attention seeking and now the police are saying they're
40:29
Speaker 10: looking at this. It's something that who knows what will happen,
40:33
Speaker 10: but they're saying potentially this could amount to hate speech
40:37
Speaker 10: and requires an investigation. There were twelve arrests at this
40:41
Speaker 10: pro Palestinian rally yesterday. There were one thousand police there,
40:46
Speaker 10: Chris here in central London. That's an awful lot of
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Speaker 10: resources to monitor these events. But some people would argue
40:53
Speaker 10: that this is a waste of resources, completely unnecessary, and
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Speaker 10: the government does need to be top tougher on and
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Speaker 10: the criminal justice system on cracking down on people we
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Speaker 10: chant are such disgraceful things such as death death to
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Speaker 10: the IDF. So Bob Villain has done this before and
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Speaker 10: let's see what happens this time.
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Speaker 2: Cruise.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, thanks Sophie. I appreciate it. Sophie's worth their live
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Speaker 1: in early morning London. On the other side of the break,
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Speaker 1: we'll get into some of the serious issues of the day,
41:22
Speaker 1: but also how some of this ugliness pops up through
41:24
Speaker 1: the virtue signalers at the oscars.
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Speaker 3: Gemma and Caroline will join me.
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Speaker 1: Okay, let's sort things out now with Gemmy Tonini on
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Speaker 1: the desk.
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Speaker 3: You're ready, ready and sort of, then Caroline to.
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Speaker 1: Say, joining us from Pertha, I want to start off
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Speaker 1: where I opened the show actually, and that is.
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Speaker 3: The South Australian election.
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Speaker 1: And now I know outside of South Australia most times
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Speaker 1: people wouldn't be too interested. There's a good government, they're
41:53
Speaker 1: a good labor government that looks like being returned. But
41:57
Speaker 1: it's all about whether one nation actually the twenty two
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Speaker 1: percent or whatever their polling in South Australia, will it
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Speaker 1: turn up in the ballot box?
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Speaker 3: What do you reckon?
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Speaker 16: Well, I think it's not just the number, it's the
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Speaker 16: where and the fromwere. So there was a whole bunch
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Speaker 16: of sort of mutterings recently about oh no, it's not
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Speaker 16: labor who's bleeding votes to one nation, but it is
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Speaker 16: and the pollings will firm that it seems to be
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Speaker 16: a little bit of everyone from everywhere. So this is
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Speaker 16: the first real pragmatic test where people's theories will be tested,
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Speaker 16: I suppose. And what better place than a place, as
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Speaker 16: you say, where the government is good, strong, objectively doing
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Speaker 16: a pretty good job with a few missteps, as governments
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Speaker 16: will do. You know, the Liberal Party faces Carolina is
42:42
Speaker 16: likely using this phrase, but it was before her tenure.
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Speaker 16: But they might be Zach Kirkhupt, Yes, exactly, well, they
42:47
Speaker 16: are a rump.
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Speaker 1: There are a rump in South Australia now in all
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Speaker 1: sorts of strife in Carolina. With your official role with
42:55
Speaker 1: the Liberal Party in Western Australia, it's always good to
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Speaker 1: declare that when we're discussing, and you know, the Liberals
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Speaker 1: of course have been have been made of rump in
43:05
Speaker 1: Western Australia as well, so that that exacerbates the issue.
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Speaker 1: But my key point here is the polling for one nation.
43:13
Speaker 1: We all understand that people poks on both your parties
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Speaker 1: are sort of a protest vote to.
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Speaker 3: A polster if you like, is one thing.
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Speaker 17: But if those votes flow through to one nation anywhere
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Speaker 17: near what they're polling, that will be a massive warning
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Speaker 17: shot to the coalition federally. But yeah, and as Jenba says,
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Speaker 17: also the labor because it is dragging down the labor
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Speaker 17: vote too.
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Speaker 18: Yeah, and it'll be very interesting just to see how
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Speaker 18: it all happens in practice, you know. And this here
43:43
Speaker 18: is the kind of, you know, much less sexy part
43:46
Speaker 18: of it. But you know, where do one nation have
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Speaker 18: people on the ground, where are one nation handing out?
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Speaker 18: How did those preferences flow? I mean, if this vote
43:57
Speaker 18: sprays around a bit, could be you could be looking
43:59
Speaker 18: at in some seats a pretty slow vote count as
44:03
Speaker 18: you go back through all these things. And the thing is,
44:05
Speaker 18: every time you have a two party contest, like you've
44:09
Speaker 18: got some kind of you know, ability to take the
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Speaker 18: temperature of that, and every time you've got a three
44:16
Speaker 18: or a four person contest, you never actually know where
44:19
Speaker 18: those preferences are going to go, and you never actually
44:21
Speaker 18: know where it lands because you only have to finish
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Speaker 18: third by one vote for it to totally change what
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Speaker 18: the result is. So it'll be very interesting to see
44:31
Speaker 18: how many people, for example, that one nation have on
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Speaker 18: the ground and where those number two preferences go, because
44:38
Speaker 18: that could end up having more of an impact than
44:42
Speaker 18: people can imagine, and that there you can't always necessarily
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Speaker 18: pick up in polling.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it won't be easy.
44:47
Speaker 1: You would have thought for them to put together a
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Speaker 1: team to sort of man all the boots and whatever
44:51
Speaker 1: use it can say, man the boots, person the booths.
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Speaker 3: You honestly.
44:58
Speaker 1: Let me go back to another issue, which at the
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Speaker 1: top of the program, and that is the way the
45:03
Speaker 1: City Swans did that fantastic ceremony at the start of
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Speaker 1: their first home game for the season, the SCG commemorating
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Speaker 1: the Bondai massacre victims, but also recognizing the survivors and
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Speaker 1: the heroes of the day, but they made no specific
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Speaker 1: reference to the Australian Jewish community. Here's the new CEO
45:24
Speaker 1: of the Swans, Matthew Pavlich, in a press conference just
45:28
Speaker 1: as we went to air.
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Speaker 19: Whilst we didn't specifically reference the Jewish community in the script,
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Speaker 19: this was in the context of those people that were
45:36
Speaker 19: on the field with us that evening, which included many
45:39
Speaker 19: of the brave first responders, community heroes, and of course
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Speaker 19: those impacted the most the Jewish community. And it was
45:45
Speaker 19: through that lens in which we finalized the word spoken.
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Speaker 19: We apologized on Saturday night for this, and we do
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Speaker 19: so again today.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, so they're wearing it.
45:53
Speaker 1: They're saying it was their decision because there were Muslims
45:57
Speaker 1: and others out there.
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Speaker 3: Why I mention the Jewish community? Big mistake, isn't it.
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Speaker 16: I would like to make a trite comment about Fremantle
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Speaker 16: as a football club and PABs background, but I won't
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Speaker 16: because I'm above that. I mean, I don't know how
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Speaker 16: thick these people are when they try to be inclusive.
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Speaker 16: When the alleged killer killers went to Bondi and they
46:19
Speaker 16: could have opened fire anywhere on Campbell Parade, they could
46:22
Speaker 16: have gone to any restaurant, they could have gone to
46:24
Speaker 16: any place at that beach run, as you and I
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Speaker 16: both know, Chris. But they went to a Harneker festival
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Speaker 16: for a reason. So please spare me the bs. We're
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Speaker 16: trying to be inclusive. You cannot be inclusive when one
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Speaker 16: people group was targeted and slaughtered.
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Speaker 3: You cannot.
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Speaker 16: That is a failure of leadership and a big from
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Speaker 16: my perspective, I'm cranky obviously, When are they going to learn?
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Speaker 3: Look, it's a big mistake.
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Speaker 1: But the thing is, I don't want to go too
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Speaker 1: hard on them because because they've been.
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Speaker 3: So much better than anybody else. They are less bad. No,
46:56
Speaker 3: they put on a Serahmone.
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Speaker 1: They turned up at them moreis at Bondai, they turned
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Speaker 1: up at the Sydney Memorial event.
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Speaker 3: They've had members of.
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Speaker 1: The Jewish community come into their change rooms. They've made
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Speaker 1: a very big mistake by not wanting to mention the
47:10
Speaker 1: specificities of the specific believe it.
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Speaker 16: Do you fundamentally believe that there was no pressure from
47:15
Speaker 16: the a f L. I find that accusation was made.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I agree, But it's this is the worry, Caroline.
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Speaker 3: The trouble is here that they're so scared and this
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Speaker 3: is this this infects a lot of the political and
47:28
Speaker 3: public debate.
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Speaker 1: They're so scared of the anti Semitism and what might
47:33
Speaker 1: come at them from Islam as extremist and other parts
47:38
Speaker 1: of the debate that even when they're recognizing the victims
47:42
Speaker 1: here who are in the Jewish community, they don't want
47:45
Speaker 1: to mention the Jewish community that that that's us that
47:49
Speaker 1: as a society giving in to the haters, isn't it.
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Speaker 18: Yeah, it's being intimidated into silence. And you either do
47:56
Speaker 18: these things properly, Chris, or don't do them at all,
47:59
Speaker 18: and I find the light gema. I really bristle at
48:02
Speaker 18: the idea of inclusivity because you know, on that day
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Speaker 18: in Bontai, it was quite exclusive the group who were
48:10
Speaker 18: being targeted. So can we just deal with the issue
48:13
Speaker 18: as it is? And the problem is, Chris, every time
48:15
Speaker 18: we don't deal with things properly and head on and
48:18
Speaker 18: as they are, and we make excuses and whatever, it
48:22
Speaker 18: ends up ruining the credibility of all of it. And
48:25
Speaker 18: I just don't buy the not wanting to politicize it.
48:27
Speaker 18: I mean, you know, the AFL and football clubs have
48:30
Speaker 18: a proud history of politicizing everything that shouldn't be politicized.
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Speaker 3: We are right out of time.
48:36
Speaker 1: And I appreciate your commas, both both Caroline and Jemma,
48:39
Speaker 1: and they spot on the AFL love their politics. They
48:42
Speaker 1: should have been commemorating the victims and honoring and supporting
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Speaker 1: the Australian Jewish community at every game in that first round.
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Speaker 3: He's Peter equivalent