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The Internet's Bad Takes: Ep. 45 · Sessions Canceled

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  Everybody. So everybody came for session
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  today but then the GM said, they were only using PHP stuff.
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  So sessions canceled It's us, the boys, the sessions canceled
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  podcast three of us. I want to argue already goddamn.
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  Yep. Yes you did that on purpose.
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  I did do that a correct but now I see it's fine.
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  Everything's fine. Fine Sam is once again lost to
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  the warp but we will Goof or him.
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  So it's me here. Isaiah with the boys.
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  Josh. I guess I am here and already
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  salty. I guess it's better than you
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  bringing up. Fabricating some fashion though.
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  I I was going to but I didn't want to start this off with you
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  genuinely annoyed. Yeah, we got Josh, we got Matt.
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  Hello. I will be taking the role as
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  Grog zag. The bra guard, roles for Sam.
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  Honor him in to walk. None of the warp is different.
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  Warp is different not fuck. At this.
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  Well I mean technically the Orcs do have a small part of the warp
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  for themselves. They do have two Gods.
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  Yeah. No no no.
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  But when Wog is war, yeah. It's not warp different.
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  Now we're going. We're going to war with the warp
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  Josh. Come on.
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  Oh well. That'll vary or key.
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  He's part of Tusk has wha going to get dinner table.
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  Going to war when I like that. That's it.
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  Yeah, no, no. That's that's good.
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  Nor key. Yeah, I'm gonna need a list of
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  like Like big the biggest baddest or Keys like it will
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  send them to you, don't worry but really all right boys so I
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  got to thinking but think about this for a while now.
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  I had a lot of fun during our hot / shit take episode but I
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  wanted to expand. I wanted to expand dong if you
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  will. All right, I don't know if we're
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  gonna phrase it that way. No, it's too late.
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  We're expanding Dom doing the bike.
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  The me Moi. No one can see it.
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  I don't know why but I thought Right, we've already done.
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  Our ship takes /, hot takes and I didn't, I didn't want to like
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  either potentially either read retread old ground or like start
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  scraping the bottom of the barrel.
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  So II proves the interwebs to find the interwebs hot takes
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  potentially shit takes mmm much like neck beard area searching
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  for Chan. Isaiah was digging through
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  reddits fine too. So I Don't Force It Reddit,
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  Twitter, Facebook, RPG, exchange a few other places.
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  All right, so like in your professional, highly researched,
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  definitely not five minutes of reading opinion as an expert in
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  this, which website had the worst takes Twitter by far by
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  far. Not even a question, okay?
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  Not even a question. Good to know, good to know, cake
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  that he Lon. Now II did this with some
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  stipulations, these takes here are not specifically hot takes,
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  I die. Very specifically, did not look
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  for like Easy Bates, obviously like million times treaded.
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  Ground of like, you know, hot take.
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  You should talk to your players. Yeah, no shit Sherlock or
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  anything, particularly to politically inclined because I
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  just don't feel like that. This is the place for that.
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  What I went for specifically were some weird controversial
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  potentially takes that are not automatically shit.
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  I feel like you guys might agree with a few of them.
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  Josh you specifically, I don't like getting called out.
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  This isn't a call-out. I actually do this quite a few
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  of these myself at the morally gray, right?
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  Yeah, option feels like a call out, but all right, we'll see,
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  you'll see, don't worry. So yeah.
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  That was that sort of my mindset.
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  I wanted us to have some, some rousing discussion about the
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  internet's potentially spiciest takes.
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  He said, the first one not particularly that spicy, but I
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  wanted to bring it up as a good Icebreaker and it actually
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  pertains to what the intro was. One more?
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  I just D&D Beyond sweet and oh, oh oh.
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  Do they between they do between they between ogl things?
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  Oh baby, oh, baby. Thanks to the real Universe.
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  Dear readers. By the way, we are not.
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  Not going to be discussing readers listeners were actually
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  discussing the ogl on. There's nothing to say
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  everyone's already set and it was already said it.
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  And honestly at this point we could be chasing drama and we're
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  not worried about that. So we're just not going to talk
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  about it. If you got a problem with it,
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  you can kiss the firmest part of is the firmest, nice interested.
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  So hot take number one, there is no dungeon master shortage
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  specifically. There's no shortage of people
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  willing to run games, rather. Simply there are too many
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  players unwilling to compromise with GM restrictions and
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  personal rulings. Thoughts that feels like a six
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  of one half a dozen of the other kind of statement pretty
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  milquetoast. Like, yeah, I know, I know
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  potential, like I said, like first one good Icebreaker,
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  basically you're saying the, the problem isn't that, we have no
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  DM's. The problem is no one wants to
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  DM. I'm like, well, that's the same
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  safe statement in a slightly different argument.
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  I think is more specifically. It's not that there aren't
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  enough GM's. It's there's too many players
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  who are a little spoiled Yeah, which is no the end of the day
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  like you can words, you can move your you can you know, you can
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  move some numbers around but you get the same answer to the
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  equation there. So I don't know like whatever
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  bro. That's just that, that screams
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  of someone trying to sound like they're having a big brain
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  thought by just rewording a commonly accepted thought.
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  Yeah, I mean, I don't I don't particularly disagree with what
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  you just said so sure. Yeah, I mean they're not wrong.
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  I mean yeah. Damning like I know as such as
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  fun as it can be. It is you know there's a lot of
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  like I'm going to do finger quotes work yeah go ahead and
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  vows with it that like you know some people just don't want to
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  get into in order to run games. It's not as bad and again like
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  you know if anything like the Matt Koval videos have shown us,
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  it isn't as bad it's not other things related to dungeon
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  mastering that get that we get involved with that.
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  End up. Bogging the game down.
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  Locking us down as the EM sometimes.
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  Yeah. But usually those are by choice.
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  Sure. Yeah, that's what I'm yeah.
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  Alright like Yeah. Now wait, what was that last
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  part? They said, specifically players
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  unwilling to compromise personal rulings.
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  Yeah, they're unwilling to compromise with GM restrictions
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  and personal rulings. See that was weird because it's
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  like if you're playing a game and like I hypothetically let's
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  say future Matt here, I'm betting.
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  No multi classing, all my players Revolt.
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  Nevermind fuck you. Matt.
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  I'm not playing your campaign anymore.
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  I'm gonna make my own game. What?
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  Multi classing and hookers probably multi-class and
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  hookers. But yeah, most players they end
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  up dealing with it because like again there's not enough people
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  wanting to run the game, it's way easier to be a player.
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  So most people kind of I feel like I feel like that's not
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  really true. I don't know.
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  I feel most players. Isaiah do me a favor.
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  Yep. Put that word for word in the
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  chat for me. Well so here's the thing.
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  I paraphrased it slightly times its hole pair its paragraph.
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  I want the whole thing. Sure up with holding the whole
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  thing because now I'm thinking that this person, can you type?
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  Can you copy and paste it? Yeah hold on, I'll read along
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  with it. Well I'm worried it out.
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  I'll read it out because okay, because I'm having a feeling now
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  it's oh, this is the last bit up right there.
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  Refrain, I've heard more than once.
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  There aren't enough DMS to go around.
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  Everyone wants to play but no one wants to run.
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  Everyone wants to play really question.
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  Mark on both of those. Suppose I tell you I'm going to
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  start running a game of D&D. I'm looking for players.
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  Do you want to join up now suppose I tell you that I'm not
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  allowing Homebrew and I'm running the game raw.
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  Are you still interested? Now imagine that I'm telling you
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  that it's a phb, only game, are you still up for it?
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  Still up for it, or imagine that it's not 2nd at all, but a nice
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  high Fantasy game of savage worlds and d and d, is just the
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  term. People throw around like Xerox
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  Xerox or Kleenex. Yeah.
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  So much happens for sure. The problem isn't that?
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  There's a shortage of DMS GM's, or whatever.
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  The problem is, that, there's a shortage of people who will run
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  games tear exacting. Specification problem is, there
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  is a port. What the problem is that there's
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  a shortage of people who will run games to your exacting
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  specifications People expect D&D to be like Monopoly or risk.
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  Everyone using the same rules out of the box.
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  So if my, so if my last two DM's, let me make character off
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  some subs, anitha ours. With this DM.
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  Won't that clearly means there's a DM shortage, there is no DM
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  shortage there. Just an excess of spoiled
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  players who refused to play it, that would get who refuse to
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  play in games that will give them everything they desire.
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  All right? So, This person.
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  Is. Cancelling out their own
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  argument. You're not in a weird way
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  because Or also you can't as a player, I expect every GM,
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  right? Have the same.
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  That that's something I get that.
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  Most players should understand by proud of every player.
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  So yeah, you should understand all the bad.
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  Like 1 DM is going to run the game their own way and other
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  one's going to be. Yeah, there we know how the
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  whole no one is Matthew, Mercer. Mercer stop it.
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  Like it's. So he runs his game.
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  His way. Your DM is running there.
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  There's that way. What they're saying here is.
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  Players feel like they can't find a DM because they're making
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  too many personal rules and not willing to join Ames.
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  But no. Okay actually okay.
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  Okay. Like hypothetically.
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  Let's say Josh you want to run a D&D game and you specifically
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  say guys you know I'll allow whatever books.
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  However there's only humans, I'm not running a game, I would
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  still playing that game because it's you like, you know what I
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  mean? Yes, so yeah, okay, okay, see
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  now that I've read the whole statement, I'm okay, I'm good.
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  Redact I was about to roast the shit out of this person.
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  Go to redact slightly, I do still think there is a DM
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  shortage by the mere fact of the ratio is out of whack.
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  But I see what they're getting it.
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  Don't forget. So your initial your now that
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  you've got a better look on it. Not a shit.
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  Take No. I mean it is still sort of a
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  rephrasing of the same problem, right?
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  Like this isn't like a new thought it is.
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  You are still saying there's a DM shortage you're just saying
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  it in a slightly fancier fashion.
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  Yeah no it's It makes more now that I've read the because when
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  you said it initially just that one paragraph.
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  I was feeling a little like unsure of their phrasing but now
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  that I see their whole statement I get all right.
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  Yeah. I get what I get, what do you
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  got a feeling? It might happen.
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  That's why I kept the actual paragraph handy.
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  Yeah, yeah. I get what you're gettin at
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  here. I can't comprende.
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  Yeah, I don't know. Hmm.
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  What was your initial thought when you like, saw this?
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  Take Isaac, I actually agree with it.
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  To be honest. Definitely elements of Truth,
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  for sure. Yeah, it is a sort of the, like,
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  you know, I've literally done this to people, you know, when I
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  first started, I don't really do this shit anymore but like my
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  first year. So in people being like we're
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  doing it this way, I was like, but that's not how this other
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  person does it. And, you know, not just right
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  answer but like people you look up online.
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  Yeah. So I've definitely Done that
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  before. And you know you sort of learn I
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  probably did that up until I started running be honest.
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  You know I have my own way of running things that people don't
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  necessarily agree with you just sort of accept it, you know.
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  Yeah. Yeah.
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  I mean also. The sort of expand turd like
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  swallows it to kind of expand upon their point.
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  A lot of people will hear restrictive rules like, we can
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  only use the PHP, right? They'll hear seats.
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  They'll hear stuff like that? Yeah, they'll hear shit like
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  that and then immediately jump out the nearest window and say,
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  fuck it. When you In actuality, if you
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  hear the reason why, the GM is saying that you might actually
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  agree and then be back on board, you know, like your GM might
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  say, we're only using PHP and then the player goes.
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  Oh no. And then the GM says, because
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  I'm doing a really, really methodical Homebrew world and I
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  have a bunch of Homebrew, races that are adjustments or new
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  entirely new races, that would cover stuff.
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  That would be Zennith ours and now the players like oh, well
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  now I'm interested again, you know?
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  I mean, I'm not saying you can't play an error.
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  Coker, I'm saying you have to play my version of the Eric okra
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  Example, that's a fuck a little work to do, but you know what I
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  mean, right? So like a I feel like a lot of
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  people jump straight to the, oh no.
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  And but without listening to the reasoning, and that's where a
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  lot of the problem is to Because you should listen to the
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  reasoning. Because usually when a DM says
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  something like that they do have a reason you know.
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  Yeah, there's no one. Yeah, they're not just throwing
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  it out there. There's a purpose.
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  Yeah, I do. I do wait, too far from mic.
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  I do agree that sometimes it is the Nick Fury, you know,
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  considering that it's a stupid decision.
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  There is those vents that's not impossible, but I'm not saying
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  it's impossible, right? I'm just saying, like, you
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  should listen to the Like what their reasoning is first before
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  you decide, if they say, it's something like, this is actually
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  a ruling. I keep hearing about from dams,
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  where they been like subclasses. And it's like, I just don't get
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  the, I just don't get what the subclass does.
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  I just don't get what flavor of its own story.
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  So I don't, I don't I ban it and I'm like, well, that you could
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  again like, and this is the thing I joked with you.
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  The other day Josh, it's like, you know this is imaginary,
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  right? You know, this is pretend so you
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  cannot pretend it fits in your fucking world and Don't be a
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  dickhead like and I honestly I saw one person with a take that
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  said, there was no reason to ban anything that's like official.
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  I don't necessarily agree with that.
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  Take yeah, what I do understand where it's coming from.
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  I want to go that far. Yeah, I wasn't crying.
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  I want to go too far in either direction.
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  Young. So I get the reason because it's
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  like, well, it's official. So it must have been like play
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  tested and the guys that made the game know what they're
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  doing. But and, you know, again, not to
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  fucking add more shit to the pile of Wizards of the Coast at
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  the moment. But we've been seeing in the
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  last like, four, five years of them, not play, testing shit,
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  not check, double checking things.
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  And Shit getting out there. And now every fucking mid Maxi
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  munchkin, boom, look like they, there are things that slip
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  through the cracks and you go to the other third party and the
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  same thing happens the way how itself and subclasses and magic
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  items are great. And then there are some that
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  slipped through the cracks. You're like, why the fuck was in
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  this play tested? It happens both ways.
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  That happens, you know, everyone does it.
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  I mean I rarely come at it from the look if I'm saying you can't
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  play X thing. For me, it's very rarely from a
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  mechanical standpoint. It's almost always from some
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  sort of fictional or story or tone thing.
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  Now, almost always at own thing, And it happens like that I had
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  another thought but I forgot. Anyway, so far enough.
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  It seems like the the consensus for that one.
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  Not a shit. Take.
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  Yeah. It's thanks 70. 70 60 40 NOS.
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  I not I go with the gala. Yeah.
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  So they go together they just wanted it over there.
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  They word it specifically to like make people annoyed.
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  Oh yeah, people like when they read it like Like it's
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  definitely written to be slightly incendiary for sure.
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  Yeah, there yeah, something happened in this person's game
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  and they're salty about it. That is honestly.
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  So, I saw some people being like, there's no point in doing
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  shit takes because you can never like it's impossible to boil
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  down. I really nuanced thought into a
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  few words and it's like, yes. However, there is something to
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  say about like, You can have pretty nuanced.
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  Simple thoughts. You know what I mean?
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  Yeah. Like it's not impossible.
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  You don't need an essay to accurately depict a thought you
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  have. If you do it's probably a really
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  Niche thought which is not bad. But like you do have to kind of
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  accept it for what it is. I mean, a basic sentence can
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  have a lot to it's not exactly. Doesn't have to be long and
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  girthy just to make a point necessarily like there's a lot
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  of the stuff this person said and that statement they could
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  have That down way shorter if they wanted Drew.
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  Grace. Voice please.
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  Good Auburn. Good Auburn.
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  Now that we have that one out of the way, I'm for the second one.
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  Flashbacks are the worst thing to happen to heists.
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  You tell me there's more to that one right now.
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  I swear to God, no, there's nothing.
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  I feel bad because this is so specifically a blades in the
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  dark. I have no frame of reference,
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  don't think about it from the game term.
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  Just think about it in like a heist movie.
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  Yeah. And then just think about that,
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  you know, the in the Heist movie where they flashback to when
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  they set up the Trap. Well again, you're coming from
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  the guy that's played Payday 2 since it's come out and, and
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  it's literally just like, all right guys pre-plan beforehand.
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  All right, let's go in and then little but like all the fall,
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  the flashback mechanic is I assume this person is talking
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  about blades in the dark. All the flashback mechanic is is
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  it's the scene in The Heist movie where, you know, one of
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  the one of the robbers walks up to the door and the door opens
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  in front of them, even though it's supposed to have been
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  locked and then you flashbacks The guy being like, ahh, I
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  planted the lock-in. Oh, the lock breaker on it one
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  hour before we arrived. That's all the rage in, right?
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  That's the macare. Yeah, it really is that sits
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  there saying what it is. They're saying that, you know,
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  you shouldn't have the flashback thing in the game, specifically
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  made for the flashback mechanic. Know, now that they're properly.
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  That's what they're saying. Like, hold on.
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  Hold on. I need you to read that again
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  for me. Verbatim, don't worry.
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  I posted it. Oh, you posted track.
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  Flashbacks of the worst thing. Have I
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  Like I can't yo I cannot imagine that's you.
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  You just sat down what this person said.
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  Is this mechanic specifically designed to reinforce and
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  Elevate? The genre that this game is
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  supposed to be emulating is bad. It was a mistake basically.
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  Yeah. Like, I can't even.
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  Can you imagine? I just I want a magic.
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  I'm trying to think of the steel man argument for this.
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  Yeah, I don't think you can, but I do want, I want to imagine the
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  word, the fantasy land where you have a high game based on heists
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  that has no flashback or contingency mechanic.
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  Yeah, you just do, you basically just sit there and let your
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  players faff about for two hours to provide planned for
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  something? That's going to go wrong, step
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  one and that's that you find. Enjoyment.
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  You want that to happen? Yeah, it just doesn't, that's
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  your outset? Yeah.
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  Well, that's because that's the other thing about the the
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  flashback mechanic is the flashback mechanic is meant to
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  solve a very specific problem, which is your players faffing
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  about 4 to 24 hours about a plan, that's probably going to
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  go awry in 10 minutes anyway. So, the whole point of the
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  flashback mechanic, is you solve that problem by saying, yeah,
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  get into the mission and then if you need a contingency, you just
• 21:31
  use the flashback. The idea that that would be
• 21:35
  better. Like I literally i-i've been
• 21:40
  sitting here this whole time trying to think of their I've
• 21:42
  been trying to see their side of the argument here.
• 21:44
  I really genuinely cannot of course the Isaac.
• 21:48
  It's so holy fuck nonsensical and you know maybe there's
• 21:53
  something to say about maybe this person had a more nuanced
• 21:55
  thought but like I don't, I don't see how you could.
• 21:58
  I was young. I would love to hear a follow-up
• 22:02
  post of what their argument is, like, why?
• 22:05
  Because I just I can't, I can't conceive of why.
• 22:10
  I just I literally don't like it's it's literally.
• 22:13
  Every literally, every single Heist movie ever, that's like
• 22:20
  the like that's the thing you do.
• 22:22
  That is a staple of the genre. Like I'm it, you know, like I'm
• 22:31
  trying to think of like a comparable example to show how
• 22:33
  dumb this is, I mean, it's like it's like having a sci-fi movie.
• 22:37
  be with no laser guns, like you just You can't like that's
• 22:43
  basically illegal. You know what I mean?
• 22:48
  It's such a staple. It's like you're sitting down
• 22:52
  and be like, yeah, guys. So we're gonna play D&D but man,
• 22:55
  do I hate spells so we're not going to use spells, huh?
• 23:01
  It doesn't like yeah, you know, I really like Samurai movies
• 23:04
  that don't have katanas in them, right?
• 23:08
  Like it's basically what this person saying I think Really
• 23:11
  fist-fighting to this? Yes.
• 23:13
  Yeah, it's the Western with no fucking no shootout.
• 23:16
  Yeah, no shootout. Is there with a shootout like
• 23:18
  what? So it's not a western is what
• 23:21
  you're telling me is Pawn cards. Usually got any threes it's just
• 23:25
  play poker. Holy shit.
• 23:29
  Oh yeah. So it's someone gets caught
• 23:30
  cheating and they look at each other and go shoot you right now
• 23:33
  if I could but I can't I couldn't.
• 23:35
  I don't have a gun. If I knew what a gun was I shoot
• 23:39
  you with it. All right, right.
• 23:40
  Right now. All right.
• 23:42
  I'm gonna I don't know if anyone's, I don't know if any
• 23:45
  takes are going to top how shit that one is.
• 23:47
  No, I mean that's right here is five-star class all five star
• 23:52
  shit. Take?
• 23:53
  Yeah. Oh yeah.
• 23:53
  If we're using Michelin stars, who three out of three baby?
• 23:56
  Yeah, baby. Goddamn.
• 23:58
  That's congratulations. You won.
• 24:01
  Holy shit. Yeah, you did.
• 24:03
  Holy shit. Yeah.
• 24:06
  Is a had a fun time with out. I wanted I wanted the dichotomy,
• 24:12
  right? I wanted the one that was like,
• 24:15
  This is kind of logically. I can see where this is coming
• 24:17
  from. Yeah, just like fucking the
• 24:21
  nadir just below his fucking fuck.
• 24:25
  Oh my God, I do love. I do love Josh.
• 24:28
  Me like there better be something else that fucking yo I
• 24:32
  thought there was more. No.
• 24:35
  No, this is the internet, you know, get anything else just to
• 24:39
  have money if there's one weirder than this Nothing.
• 24:45
  Yes, there is. There's one shorter.
• 24:47
  No, it's one of the honorable mentions and I mean, it's the
• 24:52
  one for Josh. How many of these are
• 24:55
  specifically for Josh? Well that one was just to see
• 24:59
  Josh called for a second but also he might I did it.
• 25:02
  I wanted to see him mauled because I sat there for an hour
• 25:05
  making this list. Maulding I shit you not.
• 25:09
  The sounds like a joke. I'm not I open this up on a
• 25:12
  separate tab And I just kept doing research and never stops
• 25:15
  and I would lose yourself over there.
• 25:16
  And look at me like what a fucking monster like.
• 25:23
  Oh my God, it I can forward. What a goob.
• 25:27
  I like that. I feel a little bad about
• 25:29
  calling the person who posted this a good.
• 25:31
  That's kind of why I kept all of them Anonymous.
• 25:33
  I just fucking goob, take when you run blades in the dark for
• 25:37
  us. One time for like a one shot,
• 25:39
  whatever. Just remember, we can't use
• 25:40
  flashbacks. It's got no fun.
• 25:42
  If I can't, I can't do it. No one down my God.
• 25:50
  I just I'm still thinking about it.
• 25:53
  It like this is this is gonna riff rent-free in my brain for
• 25:57
  so long. Just I'm so sad.
• 25:59
  This is he bash you and this is what similar and means this has
• 26:03
  this has really similar energy to Luffy's.
• 26:07
  Red Rock is the more iconic ability.
• 26:10
  Oh my fucking God. Oh my God.
• 26:13
  Yes, this has that energy. When went be, she's more popular
• 26:19
  than Dragon. Forget the the gem of a take of
• 26:23
  Just because something's well-known doesn't mean it's
• 26:25
  psychotic my face. Yeah.
• 26:27
  That that payment that made it even more I mean yeah I feel
• 26:31
  like that that elevated it from like yeah.
• 26:34
  Oh yeah memes to just fucking like Q picture of chowder, with
• 26:38
  the golden book that says comedy gold like Perfection, it's on
• 26:43
  the same level like I just uh-huh.
• 26:46
  Uh-huh, I keep looking back in that.
• 26:48
  I think about it more. Fucking god take me away from
• 26:53
  here. Here, I beg you.
• 26:58
  Okay. All right.
• 27:00
  Here's one. That's a little bit more
• 27:01
  nuanced. So the take is players who show
• 27:06
  up to socialize with fellow players.
• 27:08
  Rather than to physically explore dangerous places should
• 27:12
  be culled from your table. They place an uneven burden on
• 27:16
  other players by, not pulling their own weight, in terms of
• 27:18
  players skill, their share of the treasure.
• 27:20
  They take reduces the progression earned by the other
• 27:23
  players who are here to use their wit to get past the
• 27:26
  dangers of the underworld. Players should be better served
• 27:29
  by just hanging out with their friends at a separate event.
• 27:32
  Your player pool should be drawn from the players who fall into
• 27:34
  the power and performance model. Traditional as a as played by in
• 27:39
  the early 80s RPGs shine when they are played as a team sport.
• 27:44
  That's a lot to read. I'll post the last bit like as a
• 27:49
  team. Yes.
• 27:50
  Team sport question mark. Yeah, okay.
• 27:57
  I don't this got that got weirder and weirder as it with
• 28:01
  me because that's that's the whole point.
• 28:03
  Like socializing is the whole point of this fucking game of
• 28:06
  these days. It's great.
• 28:08
  Right. Because I picked this one
• 28:09
  because there are there are nuggets.
• 28:11
  There are tiny little little minimums in there that you're
• 28:13
  like, oh I can kind of see what you're typing.
• 28:15
  Then he says called it the table and you're like what?
• 28:18
  Yeah, first of all four, okay, yeah, on ironically say they
• 28:22
  should be called from your table.
• 28:24
  You should be called From the universe, my guy like all right
• 28:28
  kids all right, kids everyone we're gonna sit down and we're
• 28:31
  going to look at this one bit by bit.
• 28:32
  All right. All right, we're going to we're
• 28:33
  going to break this one down because I can't I can't address.
• 28:36
  This is one big statement because this is most like The
• 28:38
  Angry Joe like talking to see your project.
• 28:40
  Are you like what are you doing hanging out with other kids
• 28:42
  hanging, microtransactions your games.
• 28:44
  What are you doing? All right, first of all.
• 28:50
  Yeah, let me just address the word.
• 28:52
  Coal is one that's really a great.
• 28:56
  Sieve-like. Think old from your table.
• 29:01
  I mean, it sounds like you're gonna like string, all your
• 29:04
  players up and fucking hang them from your balcony, or something.
• 29:07
  Like cold is just not the word to be using back in the 70s.
• 29:10
  All we had was our beer, our pretzels, in our Dungeons.
• 29:12
  And that is yeah. Okay, so players who show up to
• 29:16
  socialize with, with fellow players rather than physically
• 29:19
  explore dangerous places. Nobody's physically doing
• 29:23
  anything. Yeah, that was great.
• 29:25
  And make-believe clickety clack, math, rocks.
• 29:28
  Nobody's physically doing anything other than eating chips
• 29:30
  and throw in math, rocks. All right, let's not.
• 29:33
  I don't know, I don't know about you, but I don't build actual
• 29:37
  Escape rooms for my players, would we play?
• 29:39
  Yeah, I've never, I've never actually punched a goblins head
• 29:43
  off. Ya know about, you know, my, my
• 29:48
  Barbarian Macho, Man reference, you know, would love to punch a
• 29:51
  drag. In the face me, Matt, if I see a
• 29:53
  dragon in the first time prefer, not I'm just gonna fucking stop
• 29:56
  plate and just be like, bro, make quick.
• 29:59
  Yeah, yeah, I'm shitting myself. They place in uneven.
• 30:05
  Burden on other players by, not pulling their own weight.
• 30:08
  In terms of players skill sentence, number 2, and
• 30:14
  sentence. Number one, feel like two
• 30:15
  different complaints you do. Yes, they don't even really feel
• 30:18
  like I get why you're putting them together, but they don't
• 30:21
  even really feel. Like that is a plate.
• 30:23
  Placing an uneven burden on the other players.
• 30:26
  All right, first of all. Some players like the extra
• 30:30
  weight, right? I mean, let's just start there.
• 30:34
  Like me. I'm the kind of player where I
• 30:36
  will just take over if the other players aren't doing anything
• 30:39
  and I don't care. I that's something I want to do
• 30:42
  because I always liked the sound of my own voice because I'm a
• 30:44
  narcissistic sociopath and I never shut the fuck up.
• 30:47
  So some people just are gonna pick up more slack than others
• 30:52
  just by choice but also what players skill are you giving
• 30:59
  everyone a ranking like are we are we placing everyone in a
• 31:02
  bronze through Diamond system. Are we playing League?
• 31:05
  I don't understand this. It's like Jeremy, he's over
• 31:08
  here. He's the next way to find V, ol
• 31:11
  sorcerer, Paladin fighter, multi-class, and then you have
• 31:14
  Bob over here who's playing a fucking monk.
• 31:17
  Yeah, I believe you just did that.
• 31:18
  Just like, but you can call me Percy with your fucking player.
• 31:22
  That was fucking amazing. I love you.
• 31:27
  From sorry, I'm like, yeah. And also, this sounds like this
• 31:35
  second sentence. I mean, this second sentence I
• 31:37
  could go on for hours. I feel like well, but this
• 31:40
  second sentence just feels like a problem of one, you know, half
• 31:44
  your table wants to play one game and half your table wants
• 31:46
  to play another game and you guys didn't have that discussion
• 31:48
  ahead of time which you should. Yeah.
• 31:52
  Stranger. And then you have the furball
• 31:54
  clown Barbarian? Well, yeah.
• 32:00
  It's like half your players want to play The Dungeon Crawler game
• 32:04
  and half your players. Want to play the critical role
• 32:06
  rom-com, fuck fest game and you didn't have that conversation
• 32:09
  ahead of time. So now you're trying to have a
• 32:11
  fuck fest in the dungeon and things are getting weird.
• 32:15
  You know, you. I don't know about.
• 32:16
  That sounds like a good time to me but I mean maybe for.
• 32:18
  Yeah. Well and if you maybe if you
• 32:19
  talk about it, sure, I think the best would be like, the both
• 32:22
  groups come together and diems like, guys, you know, I'm
• 32:24
  running, I'm running kingmaker, right?
• 32:26
  This is an operation type of game.
• 32:27
  Where the fuck are you doing, guys?
• 32:30
  Because I don't This is how we're playing, Shadow the Demon
• 32:33
  Lord. I don't know.
• 32:37
  This is what this is more board. No one supposed to be happy.
• 32:40
  This is workable. Yo, okay, a related but I've
• 32:46
  never actually looked at the rule book for more Cobourg but
• 32:49
  the second I heard that there was a game called Mark Borg.
• 32:52
  I was like I want to play this. I don't give a shit was sighs
• 32:54
  amazing. Yeah.
• 32:55
  More pork is like if you wanted to play basic D&D through the
• 32:59
  lens of over-the-top 80s. Heavy Be metal or death metal,
• 33:03
  this is amazing. But there's also there's also a
• 33:06
  like scripture to like Satan or some shit in the back of the
• 33:10
  book that says when you're done playing the game you have to
• 33:12
  burn the book crazy game doesn't like what if what if we just
• 33:17
  took brütal, Legend just made an RPG.
• 33:19
  Yeah, it's really it sounds omits wild anyway, next the
• 33:26
  share. Okay, here's okay, the share of
• 33:28
  treasures. They take reduces the Session
• 33:31
  earned by the other players are here to use their wits and get
• 33:36
  past the dangers of the under. Are you just complaining about
• 33:38
  like, Loop distribution? That's not even your problem as
• 33:41
  a GM. It, that's weird, wonder if it's
• 33:44
  like. So, the social player took the
• 33:47
  plus 3 sword as long as everyone's cool with it.
• 33:51
  Yeah, like it's just a dumb thing to bitch about.
• 33:56
  Okay. Already already getting negative
• 34:00
  reviews right now is that this is getting by d's.
• 34:02
  I most like this Yelp review, these players would be better
• 34:07
  served by just hanging out with their friends at a separate
• 34:09
  event. So this is base at this sentence
• 34:13
  is assuming they don't want to play at all, which is probably
• 34:18
  excuse me, which is often, it's not that they don't want to
• 34:23
  play. It might just be, they want to
• 34:25
  play a slightly different game or want to play.
• 34:27
  Say a different vibe. Like they're just not you know
• 34:32
  like you want to play D&D. They want to play monsterhearts,
• 34:35
  that doesn't necessarily mean. They don't want to play at all
• 34:37
  like like just because I just because I want to play Monster
• 34:40
  heart. So you play want to play D & D,
• 34:42
  doesn't mean that oh no what I actually want to do is like go
• 34:45
  to a club and flirt with people like no no I know I don't want
• 34:48
  to I don't want to play monsterhearts just because it's
• 34:50
  different doesn't mean it. Like that's that's just a weird
• 34:53
  like if you don't want to play the style of game I want to play
• 34:56
  obviously you're better off at a social event.
• 34:57
  Like huh, what? Okay.
• 35:02
  And then your player pool should be drawn from players who fall
• 35:06
  into power and performance model.
• 35:09
  That's a fucking dumb sentence. I'm not breaking that one down.
• 35:12
  Yeah, yeah that one that's just a dumb sentence.
• 35:14
  I can't even. That's a dumb sense.
• 35:17
  And then traditional, As played by in the early 80s RPGs shine
• 35:24
  when they are played as a team sport, okay?
• 35:27
  So what you're saying is you just want to play Old School D
• 35:30
  and D so you should just find a group of players who want to
• 35:33
  play Old School D&D. You don't have to say everyone
• 35:35
  else is a poopoo. Shithead because of that.
• 35:37
  Yeah you know where our bunch of other games you can play like
• 35:39
  Dungeon Crawl classic or old-school Essentials.
• 35:41
  Yeah. For that Vibe like?
• 35:43
  Yeah. But also like You don't have to
• 35:46
  complain about other people. Not this is just, this is a you
• 35:49
  know what this is. This is a guy who got a Grog
• 35:52
  Nar, who finally? I mean, yes, I mean, yes, yes.
• 35:55
  But other than that, this is a guy who finally got a group
• 35:58
  together after a fucking three years of not getting a group
• 36:02
  together, but some of the group didn't want to play the fucking
• 36:06
  meat grinder, ad&d Fest that he wanted to play.
• 36:09
  So he got mad about it. That's what this is.
• 36:12
  My favorite would be like if he's the GM and one of the
• 36:14
  players like, hey can I play by play a character in a wheelchair
• 36:17
  and then he's just like breaks all of his pencils and his
• 36:19
  Handler what? Yeah, that's what.
• 36:22
  Yeah, compound. Gosh.
• 36:25
  I mean I like this this is like I'm not even gonna ordained this
• 36:30
  with a shit or not shit. Take your just being an asshole.
• 36:36
  Like yeah you're just being a dick bro.
• 36:40
  Like just I get it, I get it, you're frustrated that your
• 36:43
  players don't want to play the game you play.
• 36:45
  That's why you talk about things ahead of time and make sure that
• 36:48
  everyone's playing the style of game that everyone wants to
• 36:50
  play. This goes back to the same
• 36:53
  fucking problem that this yo, all right, it's kind of a meat,
• 37:00
  don't want to okay? Yes, yes, Josh mauled called, do
• 37:04
  it for content. Well, I'm trying to think about
• 37:06
  how it because I don't want to bring up.
• 37:08
  He Who Shall Not Be Named necessarily but he used to say
• 37:10
  this a lot. Whatever.
• 37:13
  I'm just gonna say, all right, this is the thing.
• 37:14
  Adam koelbl, used to say so much, that it became a meme in
• 37:17
  the community. I'm, and, before anyone on the
• 37:20
  internet asked, yes, I'm very well aware of what happened with
• 37:22
  that. Um, Coble you dare speak his
• 37:25
  name. I know what I followed him for
• 37:28
  basically day one. Yes, I know what happened, but
• 37:30
  something he used to say a lot that I can still agree with
• 37:32
  because it's a correct statement even though he's a poopoo head
• 37:35
  is talk to your players. How's your players like open
• 37:41
  communication. That's what this is.
• 37:42
  This is and I mean it literally became so much of a joke like
• 37:46
  the talk to your players thing that he did a separate series of
• 37:49
  videos that were just relationship advice because he
• 37:53
  was often giving relationship advice in the GM advice because
• 37:56
  talk to your players is so often the answer.
• 37:59
  You know, that's what this is. That's what this you being an
• 38:02
  asshole. I don't know how to tell.
• 38:05
  It's to cut the chicken. Yeah, being an asshole.
• 38:07
  I just made a saying up I don't know how else.
• 38:11
  Yeah, I don't know why I said that.
• 38:14
  What the fuck? Don't know why I said that?
• 38:18
  I'm just confused and I feel like there's another saying that
• 38:22
  I was going for but I couldn't remember.
• 38:24
  So I made one up on the fly as I was talking I got to look that
• 38:27
  one up, that's good. Yeah, you know I my initial
• 38:31
  thought or not - thought my takeaway from this as I was
• 38:36
  making. It was.
• 38:37
  Did you just advocate for RPG? Eugenics.
• 38:40
  I feel like this is a weird. Yeah, yeah, that's the other
• 38:44
  problem is the way they worded it is really a grow.
• 38:48
  All the social people and push them somewhere else like brother
• 38:51
  and call them. Yeah you don't I was that's the
• 38:54
  other thing, right? Is you did not need to be that
• 38:56
  aggro about this. You could have said this in a
• 38:58
  much calmer like I understand you are frustrated, you could
• 39:02
  have said this in a kick from your table or banned from your
• 39:06
  table, that would be that. No, because that's not even
• 39:09
  really what it is. It's not it's not it's just this
• 39:12
  player just wanted to play a certain kind of game in the
• 39:15
  other players did it like all you needed to do?
• 39:18
  Do homie was worth this a little bit more nicely and explain your
• 39:21
  frustrations. It's all you had to do.
• 39:23
  But you know, Like that's really the Crux of it for me, you know,
• 39:32
  like it great. I hate, ER, call your players.
• 39:41
  All of them know to really all of not a single one.
• 39:43
  Yeah, rocks fall, everyone dies, kill them all fuck.
• 39:47
  Anyway. Yeah.
• 39:49
  Yeah, I'm not going to even ordained that with a shit.
• 39:51
  Take, you're just being an asshole fair enough.
• 39:55
  Although I feel like that level of combination, pretty much
• 39:57
  aren't automatically makes your shit together.
• 39:59
  Yeah. Yeah, sure.
• 40:00
  Yeah. I just want to extrapolate
• 40:02
  further on that one. I don't know.
• 40:04
  Matt you everything they had on that?
• 40:06
  No take not cool. Yeah.
• 40:10
  Take not his sandwich. Yeah.
• 40:14
  Okay. Very not cool.
• 40:15
  Yeah, stream with me for now. Fucking Christ.
• 40:19
  Alright, time for numero, or actually listened through these
• 40:24
  small one. Got me a little lightheaded.
• 40:29
  This was actually the longest one.
• 40:30
  So this this could be a good. Okay metric.
• 40:33
  Okay, not metric a stopgap. This one.
• 40:37
  The, the thesis statement is Dice.
• 40:40
  Are the least fun way to generate Randomness and there's
• 40:44
  for specific parts of this. So I'm going to, I'm going to
• 40:46
  read them out part by part. Going to take them in part by
• 40:48
  part and I'll post them. I already wish Sam was here for
• 40:51
  this one. Yeah, yeah, I do too.
• 40:53
  I I was really hoping it was gonna be here actually.
• 40:56
  Okay. So basis dice of the dice are
• 41:02
  the least fun way to generate Randomness exhibit a especially
• 41:07
  if your dice mechanics give rise to a uniform distribution, there
• 41:11
  is nothing structure. Structurally in the way of an
• 41:14
  overly lopsided Adventure, one player can have shit, Rolls all
• 41:18
  night and constantly fail while another just has a hot streak
• 41:21
  in. Can't do anything wrong.
• 41:22
  It doesn't often happen, but play long enough and it will
• 41:27
  with the rules provided. There isn't much to overcome it.
• 41:33
  okay, so I just I don't think this is a shit take, I do
• 41:37
  disagree with this because while it is shitty for that person in
• 41:41
  the moment, that sort of assumes, that things are going
• 41:44
  to swing around eventually write like this is the pendulum like
• 41:48
  one person's on one side having God to your log one person on
• 41:51
  the other side and I might be annoying that night or for like
• 41:55
  maybe you know if you if you really have the wheat and dice
• 41:58
  curse maybe you've just got God to your levels are held here
• 42:02
  levels of shit luck, right? Yeah, but all right sort of like
• 42:09
  this argument sort of assumes that this one player is like the
• 42:12
  the mysterious younger brother player.
• 42:16
  And if you don't have uniformity across the board, then you don't
• 42:24
  You can't have things like modifiers, right?
• 42:27
  You can't have like a standard for modification to numbers as I
• 42:30
  just flip a coin at that point. Like yeah yeah, yeah not a shit
• 42:35
  take but it was interesting. Well alright post post this one
• 42:40
  up. Okay I suppose this because
• 42:43
  there is multiple things in there.
• 42:44
  I was like, hold on, wait a minute, boss, boss boss, boss
• 42:47
  boss, Okay, I need to I need to hit this first point immediately
• 42:58
  because I just died. So, the least fun way to
• 43:01
  generate Randomness. Hi, how else are you gonna do
• 43:06
  it? They bring it up later.
• 43:08
  No more. Oh, there's more here.
• 43:13
  Okay, okay. Okay.
• 43:15
  Okay. So I'll put that one.
• 43:18
  I'll put that one on hold. Okay, especially if your dice
• 43:22
  mechanics. Give rise to uniform
• 43:24
  distribution, nothing, there there is nothing.
• 43:27
  Structurally in the way of an overly lopsided Adventure, No
• 43:34
  uniform distribution would imply that things aren't lopsided.
• 43:41
  There's a uniform. Just oh, oh.
• 43:43
  Okay. I guess he's saying.
• 43:47
  Right? But having a nun uniform
• 43:49
  distribution. You can still have the same
• 43:50
  problem. It doesn't matter how the
• 43:51
  distribution is uniform, but I know that doesn't even.
• 43:56
  Yeah, this that sentence doesn't make sense because a uniform
• 43:58
  distribution lowers. The likelihood that one player
• 44:02
  has a really bad time. In one player has a really good
• 44:04
  time, right? That's what the point of the
• 44:06
  uniform distribution should be so they don't even they're
• 44:10
  contradicting themselves. Right little bit.
• 44:15
  See that's what it seems like right?
• 44:16
  Because because if you're saying if you're saying the problem
• 44:19
  with the uniform distribution is oh someone could be someone
• 44:23
  could fall out the distribution. It's like, well yeah, but if
• 44:25
  it's less uniform, they're more likely to fall out the
• 44:27
  distribution. Yeah.
• 44:29
  You you kind of get the one person might be unlucky for the
• 44:33
  night too. Well, there's no like it is pure
• 44:38
  luck at that point. There is no.
• 44:40
  Yeah. It's like you go from one
• 44:41
  person. Might have a bad time to like
• 44:42
  guaranteeing. Someone has Abed time almost
• 44:45
  hmm, which is why so many people criticize using a D20 because
• 44:49
  the distribution is not uniform in a lot of ways and it's quite
• 44:52
  bad actually mathematically. But like, I think this person is
• 44:55
  an orc player. So just want it.
• 44:59
  They just want to live or die by the 50/50.
• 45:01
  And you know what? I respect it, I respect that
• 45:03
  today, but then they're arguing against the 50/50, right?
• 45:08
  Because because then they're saying, There, there's nothing
• 45:12
  getting in the way of a lopsided Adventure.
• 45:14
  One player can have shit rolls a costly fail while another can
• 45:16
  have a hot streak at can't do anything wrong.
• 45:19
  So like I don't even they're just arguing against themselves,
• 45:22
  I feel like so I'm not even gonna yeah I'm not even gonna I
• 45:25
  have no I have no further statement on this you're not
• 45:27
  even making any sense sir and/or Madam and or is a person like I
• 45:35
  guess give us the next chunk. Okay, right, I don't know.
• 45:39
  Unless unless what do you guys thinks?
• 45:40
  I'm reading this wrong? No, I see what you're saying,
• 45:44
  right? Like it's the idea that you want
• 45:46
  to remove uniformity to increase.
• 45:48
  Potential Randomness is a good thing.
• 45:51
  You remove, the idea that characters are just
• 45:54
  intrinsically, good. At some things that they've
• 45:56
  either trained in or they just have an intrinsic skill towards
• 45:59
  it, like having better eyesight. So by removing those things by
• 46:02
  removing uniformity, you Remove the capability for someone to
• 46:06
  buffer themselves from you. Be careful fucking rolls.
• 46:09
  Yeah. And then you're saying dicer a
• 46:11
  bad way to generate Randomness and then you say especially if
• 46:15
  you have uniform distribution like it's the other way around.
• 46:23
  Exhibit B. Yeah, okay, nice.
• 46:26
  Pools are better because they give a bell curve, normal
• 46:29
  results. Feel more like a usual allies
• 46:31
  rather than extreme possibilities happening.
• 46:33
  Within regularity, still hot / cold streaks can and do happen.
• 46:38
  Also the larger the pool of dice the more tedious things feel so
• 46:44
  there's Nae home someone that's played shuttle run once or twice
• 46:48
  comprende okay. Puppy comprende.
• 46:53
  Puppy SI senor? Yeah.
• 46:56
  Okay. All right.
• 46:57
  So, okay, you're so this person is saying D20 bed.
• 47:02
  Pool of D6 is good because you can sort of manipulate the bell
• 47:07
  curve further. That still doesn't fix the fact
• 47:13
  that their first statement contradicts itself Roots you
• 47:16
  yeah, remotes removes uniformity.
• 47:19
  Yeah, interesting. When I feel that it get sort of
• 47:22
  counters, it even more because you come with you, I believe the
• 47:28
  intended, meaning is that you come to more middle of the road
• 47:31
  outcomes rather than extremes, right?
• 47:33
  Doesn't make sense? Yes.
• 47:34
  So yeah, dice pools, mathematically.
• 47:38
  You have a A. You have more control over the
• 47:44
  numbering outcomes because it's the great sword versus great X
• 47:51
  situation, right? A D 12 verses to D6, the to D6,
• 47:55
  guarantees you a better minimum damage.
• 47:57
  So you're guaranteed like better averages versus the D12, right?
• 48:03
  That's what dice pools do is by having a pool of d6s.
• 48:08
  If I roll for d6s, I'm going to get a minimum of Lower as I'm,
• 48:12
  you know, like result. Now.
• 48:18
  The problem there is a lot of dice pool games don't actually
• 48:22
  look at the individual number and usually the way a dice Pool
• 48:25
  Works is, you has to be a target number on each individual died
• 48:30
  that then counts towards your success count so that changes
• 48:34
  the math but it's okay. All right, I kind of see where
• 48:37
  to get, although I will say, saying dice are the least weight
• 48:40
  of generate Randomness and then saying dice are better like
• 48:46
  Right. Like, because what they said,
• 48:48
  dice of the least fun. I thought they meant don't use
• 48:50
  any dice at all. That's why I thought that first
• 48:52
  sentence meant like, no dice ever.
• 48:55
  Like, I thought they were gonna say you should base all your
• 48:57
  mechanics around like, car drawers or something.
• 49:00
  You know what I mean? Yeah.
• 49:02
  But, no, they're saying using a single die is bad.
• 49:06
  Using a pool of die as good as what they're saying, but you're
• 49:08
  still using dice. Huh.
• 49:13
  Okay, all right. Matt, do you have any?
• 49:21
  Not really because I because I haven't played Shadowrun.
• 49:24
  I know a little bit of the dice pool mechanic.
• 49:27
  I mean, you don't need to pay his trial run to get what
• 49:28
  they're getting that, right? It's just the point is a dice
• 49:33
  pool. Just let you kind of have a
• 49:36
  little more control over the math, yet statistics basically,
• 49:42
  and the old, the way a dice Pool Works in most games is pretty
• 49:45
  simple. It's just so every individual.
• 49:49
  So Every die that goats over, like, let's say a 4 is a hit,
• 49:54
  you know, that's a hit on that die.
• 49:56
  So if you roll for dice and to of the dice one, route die rolls
• 49:59
  a foreign one dollar Rose a five.
• 50:00
  You got two hits and depending on the game, some games you only
• 50:05
  need one hit to succeed, some games you need multiple hits
• 50:08
  versus a number so I can Burning Wheel.
• 50:11
  If the GM says, this is a knob to test.
• 50:13
  That means obstacle to you have to get two hits on your dice to
• 50:17
  succeed. That's okay.
• 50:19
  It's still a Easy style. It's still like a, there's still
• 50:22
  a difficulty to everything you just away.
• 50:24
  Get to it's different. It's not.
• 50:29
  It's also not just shatter and lots of games, right?
• 50:33
  Exhibit. C cards are probably my favorite
• 50:37
  way to do RNG. God, what a mentee to have good
• 50:40
  and bad results and your street can only go so long.
• 50:43
  Add this sort of mechanical Ingenuity, we've seen from
• 50:45
  tabletop board games. Using cars, I think cards are
• 50:48
  massively underutilized, Now, I remember you fucking Magic the
• 50:52
  Gathering. All right, let me just I, let me
• 50:56
  just take a moment to apologize for me.
• 50:59
  Once again, flexing my psychic powers.
• 51:01
  I didn't mean to do that. Did you have a feeling that
• 51:04
  we're going to bring up using cards?
• 51:06
  I literally said that, did you not hear it?
• 51:08
  I mean, I literally said, I thought this person was going to
• 51:11
  say you should use a card system.
• 51:13
  I, you know, I might have missed it.
• 51:14
  Okay. Yeah, I've noticed that.
• 51:16
  Did you hear me say that? Yeah, okay.
• 51:18
  Yeah. I literally, I literally Just I
• 51:20
  fight, I knew I kinda hate that I knew where this was going.
• 51:26
  Okay. Um, listen, listen, I've been to
• 51:33
  plenty of Yu-Gi-Oh tournament. I see how those kids shuffled X,
• 51:36
  they're not orangey. Yeah, right, they cut them decks
• 51:40
  but that's not actually how you Shuffle.
• 51:44
  But yeah, um, I mean Hi. Yeah, okay I guess I think this
• 51:54
  person's perhaps. Discounting.
• 51:59
  Like yeah, you're comparing tabletop to like board games and
• 52:03
  tape and card games, but part of a lot of people want the in like
• 52:12
  the increased Randomness, is something people are looking for
• 52:17
  in tabletop games, that they might not be looking for
• 52:20
  importance, as in a board game. You're competing with each other
• 52:23
  in a tabletop game. You're not the the randomness
• 52:27
  can actually be a fun element even If it's bad Randomness.
• 52:31
  So this person's kind of assuming that everyone wants to
• 52:36
  be amazing and succeed 24/7. Which Is sort of not the case
• 52:43
  really. You know, that's why so many
• 52:47
  games rather than designing a game where you can't fail or
• 52:52
  you're unlikely to fail when a lot of games do is they make
• 52:56
  failure interesting. So whether you succeed or fail
• 53:00
  you get a good outcome either way rather than trying to
• 53:04
  manipulate the success chances. so like, you know, I also yeah,
• 53:12
  I mean, I think a less nuanced thought and my personal take on
• 53:17
  it is If I'm on a lucky streak, I don't want it to run out and
• 53:22
  if like that to running a game I don't want my players luck to
• 53:26
  run out like yeah. Never been like God I hope they
• 53:29
  fail this check like what the fuck?
• 53:31
  I mean I kind of like right and there's like times where it's
• 53:34
  like oh I hope they don't see this monster sneaking up on
• 53:36
  them. So yeah, I guess in that sense
• 53:37
  of others fail, it'll be more interesting.
• 53:39
  There's times there's times where them failing at, check
• 53:42
  could be interesting in like a day or two of its perspective
• 53:45
  but that's why I said a lot of games try to Make failure,
• 53:49
  interesting. Right.
• 53:50
  Because it there, there is that Ken be a thing.
• 53:55
  Yeah, I mean, I can't imagine anything less fun as a player,
• 53:59
  right? Then it like once you learn the
• 54:01
  math of the card system, whatever card system using and
• 54:05
  you're like, oh well I've rolled really good tonight but I got to
• 54:06
  do that. What do they say in?
• 54:08
  What's the like the old the penultimate bar to thing in
• 54:12
  Pathfinder like playing a concert for the gods?
• 54:15
  Yeah. Base.
• 54:15
  And it's like well I can only roll.
• 54:18
  Oh my God. Fucked.
• 54:19
  I I can't do anything else. Now, right, I've already drawn
• 54:22
  all my Aces from the deck. Yeah, I don't want, I don't want
• 54:26
  that. I'm drawn Four Aces.
• 54:28
  Yeah, it yeah, it creates a yeah, that's actually a weird
• 54:32
  thing to write. I've already drawn all my face
• 54:34
  car like let's assume face cards are good in this system.
• 54:37
  I've drawn all of my face cards already and now I have to do
• 54:41
  something really hard and I know for a fact it is 100% impossible
• 54:48
  because I know I drew all my good face cards already.
• 54:51
  Which just yeah that's I didn't even think about that.
• 54:53
  But that is also true and that's a really weird scenario to be
• 54:57
  in. Yeah, I also don't, ya would not
• 55:02
  want that. And you know, in terms of the
• 55:08
  wanting, the lucky streak to end, I'm kind of getting the
• 55:12
  impression. This player is this this
• 55:13
  person's art player, this person's arguing in the other
• 55:17
  direction, they're saying they want a system where bad streaks
• 55:22
  can end is more what they're getting at, you know, I think it
• 55:27
  kind of already, I don't think they're saying they want, they
• 55:29
  want players. Good luck to go away.
• 55:32
  I don't know where that might. That might not be what they're
• 55:33
  saying, but that is Yeah, I did say good and bad results so yes.
• 55:42
  But I am sort of thinking about this in the sense of like as a
• 55:45
  player. I got I don't want my luck to
• 55:47
  end so I'm gonna try to hold on to it as hard as possible.
• 55:50
  Yeah, plus plus when you get into a card system, you can kind
• 55:54
  of you start counting cards and you can start playing in a very
• 55:58
  reserved fashion. If, you know, like I've used X
• 56:02
  many of this card and then I'm You know, it's not like there's
• 56:05
  a lot of weird. Yeah, card counting right.
• 56:08
  That's that's literally the skill element in poker.
• 56:12
  Yeah, it's also not that hard. Fun fact right.
• 56:16
  Yeah, fun fact for you my my teacher my high school trig
• 56:21
  teacher taught us how to count cards and that was a homework
• 56:24
  assignment. We had to count cards, I think
• 56:28
  we had to do a hundred like hands I think is what it was
• 56:30
  called. And he was like, okay, use this
• 56:34
  system. Mm and write down the results if
• 56:37
  you do it, right? Your your estimates should be
• 56:40
  within this margin of error and you best believe all the
• 56:43
  students who were like never paying attention in class.
• 56:47
  We're counting cards, real good? Yeah, I mean Myself included, I
• 56:54
  mean, here's the thing, I'll give this person credit.
• 56:59
  If I came across an RPG that had a really well-designed, an
• 57:03
  interesting method of using cards for everything I'm
• 57:06
  intrigued. That's for sure.
• 57:08
  You know, like I'm actually looking up like tabletop games
• 57:12
  based on card system. So there's I know of one there's
• 57:16
  dead lands which is not 100% based on cards but has certain
• 57:21
  mechanics based on cards and I No initiative Works around a
• 57:24
  card deck, which is interesting. And I believe dogs in the
• 57:30
  vineyard has a card mechanic some kind or gambling mechanic
• 57:36
  built into it of some kind. But I don't remember the
• 57:38
  specifics because it has been a while since I watched the actual
• 57:41
  play that I watch for that game. But yeah, there are games that
• 57:46
  do use cards but I don't know of any game that's 100% based
• 57:50
  around a card deck, right? But if you were to To do that.
• 57:53
  I I think you would need you would need other mechanics to
• 58:01
  manipulate the deck such you know particularly if everyone's
• 58:07
  using from puff you know as everyone like there's a lot of
• 58:10
  questions that come to mind. Is everybody pulling from one
• 58:12
  deck? Is there any kind of hand
• 58:15
  sharing mechanic? Is there a shuffle, the deck and
• 58:18
  put every card back McCann? You know, there's a lot of
• 58:20
  questions that start to pop up. So, You would need to definitely
• 58:26
  think about a lot of that because I think about dices,
• 58:30
  they have a certain consistency, they can only do a certain kind
• 58:33
  of thing and all they have on them are numbers.
• 58:36
  Whereas cards are dealing with suits numbers and colors.
• 58:39
  So there's other mechanics you can put in there as well as
• 58:42
  counting and all this other stuff, you know?
• 58:46
  I'm not against the thought. This also doesn't seem like a
• 58:49
  reason to say dice bad. All right?
• 58:54
  I mean it, I mean, I don't know it's sort of I can see what the
• 59:02
  reason is it, you know, now that we've sort of talked about it, I
• 59:06
  kind of do understand where they're coming from.
• 59:08
  Like I wouldn't call this a shit take by any means.
• 59:11
  It is simply a take, I just disagree with strongly, you
• 59:14
  know. Yeah so we loving this between
• 59:16
  good take bad take and shit take or good, take a coke meth and
• 59:21
  then shit take it more like a good take controversial take
• 59:25
  bad. Take.
• 59:27
  Yeah, it's definitely like there's so this it's a semi
• 59:30
  controversial take I Hold a shit.
• 59:32
  Take I see what they're flying. I do think they have a there's a
• 59:37
  little bit of a logical fallacy though for them that they're not
• 59:42
  considering in that. Just because the card thing is
• 59:47
  an interesting. And nuanced idea, doesn't also
• 59:51
  mean dice bad, right? Like, right?
• 59:54
  You can say card system, cool dice also cool for different
• 59:58
  reasons, right? That's, that's what I do.
• 1:00:01
  Not like them shitting on dice. I think that's the part that
• 1:00:03
  bugs me. I think you're kind of,
• 1:00:05
  especially because again, some people really like the chaos of
• 1:00:09
  the dice, like, that's what they want and you're sort of ignoring
• 1:00:14
  that is why people love rolling for stats.
• 1:00:16
  They love the randomness in the chance of like you I could roll
• 1:00:19
  really high or I can get five intelligence.
• 1:00:23
  Yeah. I mean, Yeah, that that's the
• 1:00:27
  part that bugs me. I'm not going to say it's a shit
• 1:00:28
  take, but I don't like them shitting on dice across the
• 1:00:31
  board. I'm not a fan of doing, if that
• 1:00:36
  particular aspect and now it's a Polish things off with exhibit.
• 1:00:43
  D. I forgot, they're all.
• 1:00:45
  They have another one, forgot. There's another chunk of this.
• 1:00:47
  Am I? Is this where I get mad?
• 1:00:49
  Is this where I get mad? Are you sure a few one of the
• 1:00:52
  few holdout mechanics from old war games that I wish more
• 1:00:55
  designers left them behind? Oh yes, bro.
• 1:01:02
  I was on your team. I was arguing your side.
• 1:01:06
  I made the Iron Golem for you. I was on your team and then you
• 1:01:10
  had to go and be a dick about it.
• 1:01:12
  I-i'm. So I'm like, I'm so disappointed
• 1:01:16
  right now. I'm just saying, like, last
• 1:01:18
  week, dice were like used back in like ancient Egypt and Japan.
• 1:01:22
  Like, like I said, around way longer than war games, like I
• 1:01:28
  feel like after you got yourself a thing, I feel like a
• 1:01:31
  disappointed father right now, I was on your team.
• 1:01:38
  I was arguing your corner. I said, you know, I see what
• 1:01:41
  you're getting at. You have some valid points.
• 1:01:42
  You're, maybe not seeing the whole picture but you getting at
• 1:01:44
  something and then you had to make your last sentence.
• 1:01:47
  Be a dick about it. I just God, did I bet almost
• 1:01:53
  pushes it over into a shit? Take, I can't know.
• 1:01:58
  Looks like we both learned a lesson today son dude.
• 1:02:00
  We learned that you can't you know have compared to have a
• 1:02:03
  compelling argument and I learned that I shouldn't have
• 1:02:06
  faith in the internet. Yeah.
• 1:02:07
  Like we both lost. I can't.
• 1:02:11
  I wish more designers left them behind like it's some sort of
• 1:02:14
  like like it's holding like it's holding everyone back like it's
• 1:02:19
  some sort of curse it bullshit that we keep my God, like
• 1:02:23
  they're arguing if they didn't have so many holes.
• 1:02:27
  Al's in the argument like I could be like, all right, well,
• 1:02:31
  maybe there is a reason that like there's so many ways you
• 1:02:34
  could have worded that last sentence like saying saying, I
• 1:02:40
  wish more designers left them behind is making it sound like
• 1:02:45
  it's equivocating it to like, the way like detrimental.
• 1:02:50
  It's yeah, angling. The gaming sphere, its
• 1:02:52
  equivocating it to like, like mistreatment of women in movies
• 1:02:57
  or something like that. Like oh, I wish we left.
• 1:02:59
  That old 50's nonsense behind type to.
• 1:03:01
  It's like it's not harmful. It's you know, like no.
• 1:03:07
  It's just a different way to gets, first of all.
• 1:03:10
  First of all, this whole argument, especially with this
• 1:03:13
  final sentence, you're ignoring the fact that so many different
• 1:03:17
  games have used the dice. There's gotta be a reason that
• 1:03:21
  everyone's using them, if they were bad, everyone wouldn't use
• 1:03:25
  them. Tabletop game board games and
• 1:03:29
  gentle like Napoli. Fuck it like yeah.
• 1:03:32
  Video games used ice. Yeah, I mean they're fake dice
• 1:03:35
  but they are they are dice rolls essentially?
• 1:03:37
  Right around, just whatever is Eros.
• 1:03:39
  Yeah, it's random. Number generated.
• 1:03:41
  So like the idea that oh, oh, The dice are bet.
• 1:03:46
  So you're telling me that like 90% of RPGs are bad because
• 1:03:50
  they're using dice. God damn it.
• 1:03:55
  God. I wish Nick.
• 1:03:57
  Um yeah. You knew that last sentence was
• 1:03:59
  gonna get me I did correct. Who do that?
• 1:04:02
  Lets it's gonna get me. I look I'm you might be my
• 1:04:05
  scapegoat for content and I am apology.
• 1:04:07
  I'm sorry for that. It's just what you can sort of
• 1:04:10
  see why I couldn't resist. No, I yeah.
• 1:04:15
  Yeah man. I was a kid.
• 1:04:17
  I thought especially because I was arguing in this person's
• 1:04:19
  quarter the whole time. Yep.
• 1:04:21
  Top 10. Animated Trails.
• 1:04:22
  Hell yeah, no. Serial literally like that
• 1:04:25
  animate the trailed so hard. They're fucking Christ.
• 1:04:32
  Holy shit. Okay, go ahead the next.
• 1:04:35
  Okay. All right, nor 5 is lesser.
• 1:04:38
  It's a quick simple one. No campaign should be run in a
• 1:04:44
  single system. This was interesting.
• 1:04:49
  I actually as their Lord, that had be it.
• 1:04:51
  No, it was not. That's it.
• 1:04:52
  I had me a think on this one and I honestly I don't know if I
• 1:04:56
  agree but I would kind of want to try it.
• 1:04:58
  Yeah, I disagree. But I have seen it done in the
• 1:05:01
  first season of Adventure Zone. I think they ended up going from
• 1:05:05
  d and e to some other system. I think that they went through
• 1:05:07
  to other systems. I don't remember like towards
• 1:05:10
  the end of their first campaign Adventure whatever the hell you
• 1:05:13
  want to say and it was interesting.
• 1:05:16
  But you can you can tell that the guys Eyes were playing,
• 1:05:19
  we're kind of confused because they're so used to you know, the
• 1:05:21
  Indy. And then me as less than or
• 1:05:23
  being like I have no idea like did we we just switched games
• 1:05:27
  what's happening? Yeah, I mean, okay, okay, this
• 1:05:31
  is sort of with with the understanding that there's like
• 1:05:35
  an equal level of proficiency in both games.
• 1:05:39
  So the way they straight up that the whole thing is no game.
• 1:05:45
  Should be run and move slowly one system.
• 1:05:48
  Yes. That is the exact verbatim quote
• 1:05:52
  or campaign. They said, yeah, right.
• 1:05:54
  Yeah, okay. Obviously I disagree with it
• 1:06:00
  because it's a blanket statement and I intrinsically disagree
• 1:06:02
  with all blanket statements. There's so yeah, that's that's
• 1:06:05
  problem. Number one is, it's a, it's a
• 1:06:08
  It's a hilariously blankets to. I mean, blanket is like It's a
• 1:06:13
  it's a the blanket is so large, it's covering several continents
• 1:06:17
  level of blanket statement. I mean this blankets cover in
• 1:06:22
  the whole us, most of Mexico and bits of Canada. so, Okay.
• 1:06:32
  Okay, I'm gonna because we don't have any more context.
• 1:06:38
  I'm gonna assume this goes one of two ways.
• 1:06:40
  I'm gonna think about this on two sides of the argument here.
• 1:06:43
  Okay? One side.
• 1:06:47
  This is some sort of weird attempt to force people to play
• 1:06:51
  something that other D&D and I'm a cranky Wawa boy because no one
• 1:06:55
  wants to play other games. So I'm gonna say something sort
• 1:07:00
  of inflammatory Laboratory to like get a rise out of people
• 1:07:03
  for that reason in which case I would say that's dumb.
• 1:07:08
  There are plenty of especially because there are many tabletop
• 1:07:11
  RPG systems that are very succinctly and tightly designed
• 1:07:16
  to give you a very specific experience for a very specific
• 1:07:20
  kind of game. So the idea that you're going to
• 1:07:23
  slap another game in there like halfway through or whatever is
• 1:07:27
  just ridiculous. I mean Let's use blades in the
• 1:07:31
  dark here, blades. In the dark is very specifically
• 1:07:34
  designed to be a game. That is about running your
• 1:07:36
  criminal Empire and doing Hice and are not even Heist.
• 1:07:40
  But doing like you know, illegal missions, you know doing like
• 1:07:45
  criminal missions, it could be stealing, it could be drug
• 1:07:50
  running, it can't it could be smuggling, you know, it could be
• 1:07:55
  extortion, right? But that blades on the dark is
• 1:07:59
  very specifically designed to you play criminals trying to run
• 1:08:03
  a criminal Empire doing illegal activity to run your criminal
• 1:08:06
  Empire. If you're telling me that like
• 1:08:10
  halfway through, I should just swap over to D and D and run by
• 1:08:13
  criminal Empire and d and d. That is brain-dead stupid.
• 1:08:18
  That's like let's go your water Jeep Dragon Heist on then we'll
• 1:08:21
  jump in the blaze in the dark. Probably maybe could could work
• 1:08:24
  was yeah, actually that's that transition to that.
• 1:08:27
  Directions might work a little bit better but then from Blaze
• 1:08:29
  the dark, where do you go from there?
• 1:08:30
  You don't know. Yeah that's the thing.
• 1:08:32
  Like yours out sort of what I how I envisioned it right.
• 1:08:36
  Is if we take something like like dark heresy right before
• 1:08:41
  it's a warmer 40 K TT RPG where you play as like inquisitorial
• 1:08:45
  acolytes. And let's say you're in your
• 1:08:48
  dark heresy game, you have to seizure Hive world, right?
• 1:08:52
  Because some crazy nergal light bullshit going on and you're
• 1:08:55
  getting to the bottom, you get to the under Hive and of the
• 1:08:58
  five players, four of them get murked, right?
• 1:09:02
  So as opposed to being like, well we're going to make the
• 1:09:05
  characters like make a whole new party for the characters.
• 1:09:08
  You go. Oh well The Inquisitor is
• 1:09:10
  sending you on a top secret mission and then you get thrown
• 1:09:13
  in with a Space Marine ask Atari why?
• 1:09:17
  And like a sanctioned sychar and then you switch over to wrath
• 1:09:19
  and Glory. That I could be like this is
• 1:09:23
  kind of interesting, I like what's going on here, you know.
• 1:09:26
  Okay. But that whole example Isaiah
• 1:09:29
  that you just listed out is first of all very clearly if you
• 1:09:34
  were doing something like that, it'd be very clearly planned but
• 1:09:38
  also that's going from a system representing a specific setting
• 1:09:43
  to another system representing the same setting in a different
• 1:09:46
  way, right? So that's a, that's a good, easy
• 1:09:50
  transition. You know what?
• 1:09:51
  You want to do it like sending agnostic, right?
• 1:09:54
  Sir? You can do D and D 2 Pathfinder,
• 1:09:56
  right? Because you're very close to
• 1:09:58
  each other and that's what I was gonna say.
• 1:09:59
  You could like you it would be a bit of a stretch and I'm
• 1:10:03
  acknowledging that it's a bit of a stretch but you could do it
• 1:10:05
  with say Pathfinder to like Shadowrun where it's like, oh
• 1:10:12
  the big you killed the time God big fucking portal.
• 1:10:15
  Opens up. You get dropped 200 years in the
• 1:10:16
  future. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:10:18
  Oh yeah. Yeah.
• 1:10:18
  Like Samurai jacked? Yeah, and people have suggested
• 1:10:21
  crazy. It like that.
• 1:10:22
  Like, oh my D&D player's got to level 10.
• 1:10:24
  I threw them in the portal. Now we're playing monsterhearts
• 1:10:28
  in high school, you know like or whatever.
• 1:10:30
  Like yeah. And people have totally
• 1:10:31
  suggested that kind of wacky. Woo, hooo shit.
• 1:10:33
  And in that regard, those are fun ideas.
• 1:10:38
  But again we don't we lack the context we do or what you like
• 1:10:43
  because person is saying. So we're filling in what this
• 1:10:46
  person said with good ideas, right?
• 1:10:49
  Even though they could have been thinking really dumb shit.
• 1:10:52
  And we don't know fair enough. So the more charitable take I'll
• 1:10:59
  take on the Moor. That's weird sentence, the more
• 1:11:04
  charitable look, I'll take on this, I guess.
• 1:11:08
  Is that what they're saying? Even though this is a really
• 1:11:12
  poor way of saying it, but what they're trying to say is you
• 1:11:15
  should add Homebrew elements from other games to your game.
• 1:11:22
  So, they're not literally saying you should switch the entire
• 1:11:24
  system. So much as they're saying, good
• 1:11:26
  mechanics from other systems, you can add to your normal
• 1:11:29
  system to better your campaign and if that's what they're
• 1:11:32
  saying, I agree. But I don't know factors just
• 1:11:36
  like Z bash. You can just jerry-rigged
• 1:11:37
  anything in the 5e and it'll just work and I mean, I know but
• 1:11:45
  say it and I know you were fucking around Matt.
• 1:11:46
  But genuinely for example, you can take I know.
• 1:11:51
  Cuz I've done this you take the long you take the, what's it
• 1:11:56
  called, take the extended project mechanic from blades in
• 1:12:00
  the dark. The long-term long-term project
• 1:12:02
  you take the long-term project mechanic from blades in the dark
• 1:12:06
  and you graphs that on to D and D and now you have a much easier
• 1:12:09
  to use crafting system and or just project system in general
• 1:12:13
  that you can utilize for your D&D game.
• 1:12:16
  If that's what this person is saying, that sort of a thing.
• 1:12:19
  Totally agree. But I have no fucking clue
• 1:12:23
  because they just said, a really blanket.
• 1:12:25
  Really broad really dumb statement.
• 1:12:28
  So yeah thanks I'm gonna say it's a shit take by virtue of
• 1:12:32
  you just didn't give enough details like it's so broad that.
• 1:12:36
  It's it has to be a shit take because of how fucking broad it
• 1:12:41
  is. You know what I mean?
• 1:12:44
  Like it's too big of a blanket. Like that.
• 1:12:48
  Yeah, it's a shit. Take by virtue of being a
• 1:12:50
  blanket statement. It says right stuff, fair
• 1:12:54
  enough. I mean, I'm without context.
• 1:12:58
  I'm inclined to agree. I think with some inferred
• 1:13:00
  context, not a shit. Take I think actually it could
• 1:13:04
  be a pretty decent take honestly.
• 1:13:07
  Yeah no he actually will idea. There's totally cool ideas.
• 1:13:10
  There are totally cool ideas of switching systems made campaign
• 1:13:14
  or jumping to another system for a short period of time or
• 1:13:18
  grafting, the mechanics of another system onto your game,
• 1:13:21
  for a specific part of the of Your campaign, you know, oh,
• 1:13:26
  we're playing Shadowrun, but I want to have a space battle, so
• 1:13:29
  we're going to graft the Starship mechanics from stars
• 1:13:33
  without number on to Shadowrun for this one portion of the
• 1:13:36
  campaign, that sort of thing. There's totally cool ideas, you
• 1:13:40
  can get it but it's so fucking vague and Broad and also the
• 1:13:43
  word no campaign. Like no campaign ever is like
• 1:13:48
  you just like now get the fuck out of here.
• 1:13:52
  Get the I got here. What I do find interesting is
• 1:13:55
  you and I had completely different ideas for what that
• 1:13:59
  could mean. Exactly.
• 1:14:00
  That's, that's like, prop. That's the problem.
• 1:14:02
  Yeah, yes, that is the problem. But I think it is, it's a
• 1:14:04
  fascinating sort of like, thought experiment for, if
• 1:14:07
  someone were to hand you this statement as it is and say
• 1:14:11
  extrapolate. It leads to some interesting
• 1:14:14
  branch office. You know what I mean?
• 1:14:15
  Oh yeah, I mean, I can extrapolate this.
• 1:14:17
  Lots of ways you could and we seem to have done that.
• 1:14:20
  Exactly. Yeah.
• 1:14:21
  So it's like that as well. I don't know why I left you out,
• 1:14:24
  but yeah, yeah. Okay.
• 1:14:28
  All right. You ready for take number 6.
• 1:14:31
  She's a, let's go. I'm having heart palpitations
• 1:14:33
  for sure. Oh, don't worry, it's fine.
• 1:14:35
  This is, this is good. I'm waiting for the one that
• 1:14:38
  will get me as mad as Josh. I actually don't know.
• 1:14:41
  When I, I don't know, but my good one is as much as possible.
• 1:14:48
  PC, you should only know what their characters know.
• 1:14:51
  This means GM is role for a role for all PC perception.
• 1:14:54
  Checks behind screens that players never get to see spell
• 1:14:58
  or monster list excetera. You know, I've been on record
• 1:15:03
  with it. Ladies and gentlemen, the last
• 1:15:05
  bit, this is an Omega Level shit take.
• 1:15:09
  Yeah. Well, he's an Omega Level threat
• 1:15:11
  to humanity. So I will say this, the the
• 1:15:14
  players never get to see the Spells and mausolus thing.
• 1:15:17
  This is a big thing, like I do have like a little pet peeve
• 1:15:21
  with because it's like, you know, like players like you
• 1:15:25
  players shouldn't look up. Monster stats players.
• 1:15:27
  Shouldn't look up actually spells I don't know expelled.
• 1:15:32
  First sign that one. Yeah spells are fine but like
• 1:15:34
  monster list monster stabbed blocks.
• 1:15:36
  Okay Matt like you're coming at this from.
• 1:15:40
  All right why? I'm this is just the one little
• 1:15:43
  tiny nugget in this the rest of this, this whole thing fucking
• 1:15:48
  garbage, okay? But like that, and like I'm
• 1:15:51
  taking AB nugget from this end and making it into a different
• 1:15:56
  kind of idea in general. Okay, not saying like, players
• 1:15:59
  never see spells monsters list, that's fine.
• 1:16:02
  Start with. That's not what I'm saying.
• 1:16:03
  Let's start with the Nugget. All right II.
• 1:16:06
  Yes. I get where you're at because a
• 1:16:09
  lot of people are like, players from ever.
• 1:16:11
  Look at Monster snap. Looks sure.
• 1:16:14
  The problem is this is basically an impossible, ask you ever have
• 1:16:19
  a player who wants to run the game, they're going to look at
• 1:16:21
  that blocks. If you've had a player who's
• 1:16:23
  played in a shitload of games, even if they don't look, they're
• 1:16:27
  gonna start to memorize things about monsters.
• 1:16:29
  You're going to know when you're fighting Revenant, so we have to
• 1:16:32
  kill them with fire radio damage, you know, it's
• 1:16:35
  impossible. Ask now, I'm not saying that in
• 1:16:39
  the middle of the fight. While you're playing the game,
• 1:16:41
  the player should bust open the book and start looking.
• 1:16:43
  No, I'm not saying you should do that.
• 1:16:44
  But if you want to look at the stat Block in between sessions
• 1:16:46
  after the fights over and we're you know, we beat the monster
• 1:16:50
  already, blah, blah, blah. Yeah, whatever, you know, maybe
• 1:16:53
  you want to just see something about the monster, maybe you're
• 1:16:55
  curious about how specific ability Works, maybe you're
• 1:16:58
  thinking about running the game in the future and you really
• 1:17:00
  liked that monster. So you want to look at it so you
• 1:17:03
  can commit it to memory. There's lots of reasons to
• 1:17:05
  potentially look at the the monster book and you're not
• 1:17:09
  always necessarily going to be a player.
• 1:17:11
  So it's basically just an impossible asked to say Never
• 1:17:14
  look, ever, you know. However, you are correct.
• 1:17:18
  And yeah, you're correct. Matt and saying that you
• 1:17:21
  shouldn't go out of your way to look at the stat blocks.
• 1:17:24
  That's that's a No-No. Well, I think I know, and we've
• 1:17:27
  argued about this to a little bit where it's, like, you know,
• 1:17:29
  I I disagree with the, it's an impossible task, if you build
• 1:17:34
  that trust for your player group, but I do think it is a
• 1:17:38
  hard one. I will say that, well what I'm
• 1:17:42
  saying is it's basically a name again.
• 1:17:44
  And even if they don't even okay, let's say you.
• 1:17:47
  It's not about trust. So this is what I don't like how
• 1:17:49
  you're framing. It's not about trust, it's just
• 1:17:52
  what happens because there's so many circumstances where you're
• 1:17:56
  going to potentially end up. Either looking at the moment at
• 1:17:59
  the stop block or memorizing, the step, like, like even if
• 1:18:01
  they never ever low examples. Then so if there's a player, not
• 1:18:06
  expecting the Run the game ever doesn't want to run DND ever
• 1:18:10
  just a player. What do you say that guy?
• 1:18:13
  It might still want to look at the stat block.
• 1:18:15
  Just to like, see like, oh, was the cool monster ability or
• 1:18:18
  like, look at the artwork in the book.
• 1:18:19
  I like there's no need to, they're not planning on running
• 1:18:22
  the game. You know, if they want to look
• 1:18:24
  at art or lore or whatever? Yeah, that I mean I like like
• 1:18:29
  looking at the stat blocks like what this thing does.
• 1:18:32
  I mean, why does it matter if you fought it ten sessions ago?
• 1:18:35
  Well, it's one of those things where it's like the monster
• 1:18:37
  could always come back. You always have a like, you
• 1:18:39
  know, GM's sometimes they look a sure.
• 1:18:42
  I'm totally gonna bring up the cr5 goblin again, they went on
• 1:18:45
  their level 15 like I mean yeah you can but like come on.
• 1:18:49
  Well I like it, you're gonna go Friday.
• 1:18:51
  Well yeah, sorry, I'll all I was going to say is I sort of see it
• 1:18:54
  like In. I don't see it as particularly
• 1:19:00
  practical to tell like your players.
• 1:19:04
  Don't look in the monster manual, if you're like playing
• 1:19:07
  in my game. No, it's not.
• 1:19:10
  It's especially if they bought the books themselves.
• 1:19:13
  True, there's that. And there's like the difficult
• 1:19:16
  argument comes into a, well, you don't need to and if you sort of
• 1:19:20
  extrapolate, this to a logical end, you don't need to do a lot
• 1:19:24
  of things like You know, you don't really like need to
• 1:19:30
  strategize in D&D. You don't need to build the
• 1:19:32
  character. Who's good at what you can just
• 1:19:34
  sort of like, let the things go and do what they like.
• 1:19:36
  Let them lie where they lie but you do them because you want to
• 1:19:40
  write, this is the argument for like, well, you don't need six
• 1:19:42
  cars. No, you absolutely.
• 1:19:44
  Don't you? It is not place, is arguably.
• 1:19:46
  Don't even need one but you'd want them, you know, well I
• 1:19:49
  still disagree but I'm just gonna not mean you get another
• 1:19:53
  one for being here. I also don't go We agree with
• 1:19:56
  the or not, don't agree. But I don't the idea that you
• 1:20:00
  said a player who's never going to GM.
• 1:20:02
  I think every player should at least think about GI me.
• 1:20:05
  No I don't I know I'm this is this is going for the like the
• 1:20:09
  idea of what I brought the example.
• 1:20:11
  This is like there's a player out there.
• 1:20:13
  Never wants to run DND, doesn't have an inkling.
• 1:20:16
  Doesn't want to even try it, or has tried it.
• 1:20:18
  Maybe doesn't want to and it's like, you know, I'm happier
• 1:20:20
  being a player, sure? That that was the person.
• 1:20:23
  I meant your I just never feel someone like I don't know, I
• 1:20:28
  just feel like you're attributing malice to something
• 1:20:30
  really benign. I'm not really coming from it as
• 1:20:34
  like dude, wrong you bad. Kind of our, you're kind of
• 1:20:37
  saying you're bad for looking at the monster stop block, so I can
• 1:20:40
  surprise you anymore and like, that's not what I'm saying.
• 1:20:44
  That's what it sounds like over here.
• 1:20:47
  No. And what are you saying?
• 1:20:49
  Because it because again, if you're a player you shouldn't be
• 1:20:52
  looking at, you shouldn't be looking at monster stats because
• 1:20:54
  I've had instances where players I swear, it's like what if you
• 1:20:56
  want to do the thing that's and did, just want to change the
• 1:20:59
  status on the side, monster ability on like on the fly or
• 1:21:02
  ended to him. Then you have the give the
• 1:21:05
  player with the book, open? Your actually diem?
• 1:21:07
  Well, no. Okay.
• 1:21:08
  But see this is I'm saying I didn't say, okay, well see
• 1:21:12
  that's the thing. Now you're me, I know you miss,
• 1:21:14
  you're misinterpreting my words here because that's not what I
• 1:21:17
  said. I didn't say, the player should
• 1:21:19
  be sitting at the table going, um, actually that's know
• 1:21:22
  obviously what happens, but that's not what we're talking
• 1:21:25
  about. Well, or so we're talking about
• 1:21:27
  either me and Isaiah are talking about between sessions.
• 1:21:31
  The session is over. You guys fought a werewolf, the
• 1:21:34
  player goes, oh, I wonder how the werewolf curse ability works
• 1:21:37
  because we didn't get to see it in game, but I'm kind of
• 1:21:39
  curious. Looks at the monster about.
• 1:21:41
  Oh, okay, that's how the werewolf curse ability works.
• 1:21:43
  Okay, that's interesting. And then closes the book and
• 1:21:45
  moves on with their day. I'm not talking about a player
• 1:21:48
  sitting at the table strategizing how to beat the
• 1:21:51
  monster by looking at the monster manual.
• 1:21:52
  Well, you're fighting the monster in question but that
• 1:21:55
  curse ability thing. What if that comes up later?
• 1:21:57
  What if like, you know, they, they look it up after the
• 1:21:59
  session oopsie each week. Then they do not Hoops real
• 1:22:04
  quick, real quick. I believe it, I personally as
• 1:22:09
  and I've said this before, I personally believe that it's if
• 1:22:12
  a player's like weight, but they don't have that ability.
• 1:22:15
  You're the simplest response that is totally valid and you
• 1:22:18
  now. Yeah, it's the ultimate really
• 1:22:21
  it like, because Also to for a player to believe that you are
• 1:22:28
  automatically Wrong by a home, brewing, a stat block at all,
• 1:22:34
  giving it at separate ability, a higher DC, more Health more AC
• 1:22:38
  to believe like watch. I can't believe, I can't believe
• 1:22:40
  that they would do that. I'm sorry.
• 1:22:41
  Yeah, I'm not like this is an X. This is like something like, I
• 1:22:45
  don't have to sit real issue with my table.
• 1:22:47
  Most of the, like I just, it's just something like, it's not
• 1:22:50
  really an issue. I deal with what is a thing that
• 1:22:53
  I find like I don't like the idea of it.
• 1:22:57
  Okay, sure. It's not fair.
• 1:22:59
  I think you should have here allowed to have this opinion,
• 1:23:01
  but I think it is worth challenging, right?
• 1:23:03
  Like this. We might maybe one day have an
• 1:23:05
  example, that changes your mind. You might not, but we might, I
• 1:23:08
  think you're correct if the player in question is
• 1:23:13
  specifically, looking at stat blocks ahead of time for the
• 1:23:17
  express purpose of knowing how to beat the monster that they're
• 1:23:21
  about to fight like un session. And the Werewolf appears and the
• 1:23:25
  players say. Alright, we're going to start
• 1:23:26
  really like, next time. We next time we play, we're
• 1:23:28
  starting with the fight and then the player looks at the where
• 1:23:31
  we'll stop block before the session with the express.
• 1:23:33
  Intention of, I'm going to figure out how to beat the World
• 1:23:35
  by looking at the stop block. Yes, then you are correct, Matt.
• 1:23:39
  But that's not the kind of person I'm talking about.
• 1:23:42
  I'm talking about someone who's just looking casually or has
• 1:23:46
  played a whole bunch, so either they memorize it or they've seen
• 1:23:49
  it once or twice. I mean, like, come on.
• 1:23:51
  You're gonna like, what, like, you're gonna get mad at them if
• 1:23:54
  they were like hanging out with a buddy at a friend's like, oh,
• 1:23:56
  look at this, cool stat block or something.
• 1:23:58
  Like, there's so many scenarios. Are you going to run across the
• 1:24:01
  stop block? That's why I say, it's basically
• 1:24:02
  impossible to say, you can never look at any step like ever.
• 1:24:06
  That's why I'm saying it's like an impossible ass because
• 1:24:08
  there's so many scenarios where it's going to come across your
• 1:24:10
  path. Okay, real quick.
• 1:24:13
  I have an interesting hypothetical Matt, if you're
• 1:24:16
  completely fine to disagree with this wholesale but hear me okay?
• 1:24:20
  What would you say to the player?
• 1:24:21
  Who wants to do something like a blood hunter?
• 1:24:24
  Or a spit, like a monster hunter Ranger and it's like, oh, I know
• 1:24:27
  a lot about Goblin woods. So they go through at the
• 1:24:31
  beginning of the like you know, if you talk with the DMV like I
• 1:24:33
  know about Goblin noids. Would you be mad?
• 1:24:36
  If they were like? Oh, I'm because I specialize in
• 1:24:38
  goblins. I looked up a few goblins that
• 1:24:40
  blocks. I know what they do because
• 1:24:41
  that's what Mike Last does depends what level they are.
• 1:24:45
  Like there's so many things I would go into that.
• 1:24:47
  If they're like level one, I'd be like you know it's a little
• 1:24:51
  5. I'm like all right maybe but
• 1:24:54
  that guy like that stuff. I like that researching stuff in
• 1:24:57
  game and that's why you were judicata NG on the fly up to
• 1:25:02
  you. Like that's not that's a really
• 1:25:05
  hard thing to adjudicate. Is that you being like well
• 1:25:09
  level 5 makes sense but level one dozen some players might be
• 1:25:12
  like. Yeah.
• 1:25:12
  But my character, my character is super old and their backstory
• 1:25:17
  and their level 1 because they haven't been to venturing for a
• 1:25:19
  while. So they like Lost Levels but
• 1:25:21
  they've been around, so they would know.
• 1:25:23
  Like, there's a cake. Yeah, I got.
• 1:25:26
  It depends. It's one of those too much on
• 1:25:28
  the Fly there for me. All right.
• 1:25:29
  What about extrapolation on this hypothetical?
• 1:25:32
  What if they're like? They're like, okay, I only
• 1:25:34
  looked up go Once that blocks that are cr1 and below.
• 1:25:37
  So they're always like, I like, I looked up the stop block
• 1:25:40
  because it's below my level. It's still like I still don't
• 1:25:43
  like it. I still disagree with.
• 1:25:44
  I don't like it. Like I like I like it.
• 1:25:49
  When like the players want to do that research in character in
• 1:25:53
  game like until you're you like it doesn't matter.
• 1:25:56
  If your character would be like, we're starting at level 3 in the
• 1:25:58
  campaign. Like, you were out this whole
• 1:26:00
  backstory up like your Goblin Slayer, you've been hunting
• 1:26:02
  goblins for years until your character touch his feet.
• 1:26:06
  You don't know like shit, I'm sorry, I don't like, I don't
• 1:26:09
  care, you don't know. The Goblins that block, you
• 1:26:11
  might know some lore because that's your thing and maybe as a
• 1:26:14
  GM, we worked like, you know, you player.
• 1:26:16
  Ask you like, hey, Hey, I want to make a goblin Slayer guy.
• 1:26:19
  What would I know? And then you talk about it and
• 1:26:22
  depending on their background stuff but like I like that to be
• 1:26:24
  in game so interesting. Okay, fair enough.
• 1:26:30
  All right, let's see. I'm going back to the actual
• 1:26:33
  shit take. Yeah, you know, I'm not be
• 1:26:35
  missed. We missed so much of it.
• 1:26:37
  I don't need. I'm, I'm done.
• 1:26:39
  We can move on from this one's. We only did like her.
• 1:26:42
  Okay, sir, come on, we only did. He did the important part of it?
• 1:26:45
  We all know that was the only part of the ship tank that
• 1:26:46
  mattered but the oh, actually, I think you should.
• 1:26:50
  Yeah, I think the first one is the one that we skipped over PC
• 1:26:52
  should only know what their characters now.
• 1:26:53
  And that's a fucking dumb thing to say, I don't do we even need
• 1:26:56
  to justify that. Like yeah I mean I feel like I
• 1:27:00
  kind of do just because I have the, I mean, I do that too,
• 1:27:05
  sometimes. Well, like, if think about it
• 1:27:07
  this way, PC should only know what their characters do.
• 1:27:10
  If you're a level 20 wizard that's impossible, like it's
• 1:27:15
  literally impossible, I can't do that.
• 1:27:20
  Like this is what annoys me about this one.
• 1:27:21
  Before I got mad at Mat like this is what annoys me about
• 1:27:24
  this one. Specifically is the idea of all
• 1:27:26
  PCS, can't know the or have, they phrase it PCS.
• 1:27:30
  It only know what their characters know, or does it wait
• 1:27:33
  a minute, wait a minute. I have a problem with the
• 1:27:35
  statement player characters should only know what their
• 1:27:39
  characters should know. Wait a minute are playing a game
• 1:27:44
  of badasses of the players playing players player.
• 1:27:52
  What do you mean? You're not an electrical.
• 1:27:53
  What are you? You're not a Netrunner.
• 1:27:55
  You don't, you don't have. Cyber implants in your break.
• 1:27:56
  What that? You can't, then you can't use
• 1:27:59
  your side without ammonia. Doing a bunch of monsters who
• 1:28:01
  are playing as Adventure. It's all right.
• 1:28:04
  I can't pain. So, ignoring that fuck up of qat
• 1:28:08
  of syntax there? No, I think that.
• 1:28:11
  Yeah, they should only know what their characters.
• 1:28:13
  I don't think that's a fucking been syntax.
• 1:28:15
  I think that was a perfectly know.
• 1:28:18
  It is a fun because, like a person meant to say was players,
• 1:28:21
  should only know what their character?
• 1:28:23
  Yes. Yes.
• 1:28:24
  That's what they meant to say. They put player characters.
• 1:28:28
  Yeah. Yes.
• 1:28:29
  But most A lot of people just refer to players as PCS, I know
• 1:28:32
  but it's still if you break down the acronym it sounds really
• 1:28:35
  dumb but anyway the even yeah you have the level 20 wizard
• 1:28:42
  example. Who's got the 20 intellect or
• 1:28:44
  whatever? Sure yeah but here's the other
• 1:28:48
  problem and this is this is the real Crux for me.
• 1:28:52
  Your players are not fantasy adventurers every day of their
• 1:28:58
  life. Your characters are fantasy
• 1:29:02
  adventurers every day of their life.
• 1:29:05
  There are things that your characters would know and
• 1:29:09
  remember that you as a player in real life are not going to know
• 1:29:12
  or remember because you have to go to work at your accounting
• 1:29:15
  job in the morning. So it's stupid to be like, oh
• 1:29:20
  well if you don't remember, this is usually where it comes up,
• 1:29:22
  right? Oh, I don't remember Y X or Y
• 1:29:25
  thing happened. Oh, well, then your character
• 1:29:27
  doesn't remember. No, it It happened to my
• 1:29:31
  character yesterday. My character would remember.
• 1:29:34
  It happened to me, the player two weeks ago.
• 1:29:37
  Yeah, it's like, I guys, you just anyone remember what they,
• 1:29:40
  how, many gems we found? Last week, Jim up, but you
• 1:29:43
  didn't write down. So I guess, you forgot.
• 1:29:45
  It's like, I come on, man. You kind of just, yeah, exactly,
• 1:29:47
  just tell me how many my character, thron dear, the
• 1:29:51
  ranger would remember how many gems he picked up because it
• 1:29:54
  happened to him five minutes ago.
• 1:29:57
  We cut last session at the end of the dungeon.
• 1:29:59
  And he wouldn't forget how many gems are in his bag, five
• 1:30:02
  minutes ago, I have to go to work.
• 1:30:05
  And last week, when we ended session, I had a very stressful
• 1:30:08
  day the day after. So, no GM.
• 1:30:09
  I don't remember Harry fucking gems are in the bag, so lick my
• 1:30:11
  balls. That one gets me as you can tell
• 1:30:15
  particularly annoyed. And now I'm done being at Matt
• 1:30:17
  because now I'm mad about this. Yeah, I knew this, I got him.
• 1:30:25
  I got him. Yeah, you definitely got rid of
• 1:30:27
  all. I wasn't even actually.
• 1:30:29
  Mad at, by the way, I mostly just taking the piss, but I am
• 1:30:32
  mad about this because people I have see GM's legitimately do
• 1:30:36
  the shit. I just experienced.
• 1:30:38
  This it is a yeah. You know, like just picture just
• 1:30:43
  picture right? You're playing your game on
• 1:30:45
  Sunday night and you get to the end of the dungeon and you
• 1:30:49
  collect all your route and throng.
• 1:30:50
  Dear, the fucking Ranger has 500 gold in his bag and he's like
• 1:30:54
  sick when we get back to town, I'm gonna spend the shit out of
• 1:30:57
  this and then session ends. And then, you know, you're in
• 1:31:00
  college. You have you have classes on
• 1:31:02
  Monday, you have a test. You fucking you're stressing
• 1:31:05
  out. You got to deal with the test
• 1:31:07
  and then I'll shit. I have a project.
• 1:31:08
  I got to do by Thursday. I do all this work.
• 1:31:10
  All right. Friday comes around.
• 1:31:12
  I'm just going to chill for a bit because Thursday was a rough
• 1:31:14
  day with the project and everything.
• 1:31:15
  I got roasted in the critique. I'm I guess I guess we're
• 1:31:18
  assuming this is an art student I guess we're talking about.
• 1:31:20
  Yeah, I got roasted during the critique on Thursday.
• 1:31:23
  So Friday. We're gonna hang out with the
• 1:31:24
  boys were going to go to the pub that's like down the road.
• 1:31:28
  You know, Saturday rolls around. I got to do some homework for my
• 1:31:30
  Monday class Sunday, rolls around caustic, D&D night.
• 1:31:34
  Ogm, how much gold did we pick up?
• 1:31:36
  Oh, you don't remember, then I'm not gonna tell you.
• 1:31:39
  Well, we didn't write down. Each has an exact bro, suck my
• 1:31:42
  left nut. Excuse to sir, you want it.
• 1:31:45
  You want to do my homework for me dickhead?
• 1:31:47
  You want to come in and do the critique?
• 1:31:49
  You son of a bit like yesterday? I think, I think I've done
• 1:31:53
  something like this once where it was like one of those random,
• 1:31:56
  like the players found something.
• 1:31:57
  And so, I randomly ruled what it was and I'm like, I you find
• 1:32:00
  this next week rolls around. Hey Matt, do you remember what
• 1:32:04
  we're old for that random thing is that last week?
• 1:32:06
  A shit. No that was like a random spur
• 1:32:08
  of the moment. Thing.
• 1:32:09
  What did I say? We got a six.
• 1:32:12
  All right. No one remember, wrote down a
• 1:32:14
  thing. The fuck.
• 1:32:15
  Did we roll 640? Yeah.
• 1:32:17
  Well, I have done that. I have done that forgets that
• 1:32:23
  you're shit out of luck. Yeah.
• 1:32:24
  Yeah. Experience for like, yeah, boss
• 1:32:33
  kills. And I just like forgot to write
• 1:32:34
  it down and then most people didn't write it down or keep
• 1:32:37
  note of it or like remember what the One or subtraction to their
• 1:32:40
  actual XP was and I was like well I don't know.
• 1:32:43
  You got 1,000, congrats. I also like I'll just guess
• 1:32:46
  debate. Yeah I have been there.
• 1:32:49
  I've done that. All right.
• 1:32:50
  But like the other big thing I think that's worse is that the
• 1:32:53
  second line where it's like Jim Rose for PCs perception behind
• 1:32:56
  the Scribe. Yeah.
• 1:32:58
  What's like the that's like this the thing like I know I know
• 1:33:01
  back in older editions de like the GM would roll your stealth
• 1:33:05
  checks. I there's a part of me that's
• 1:33:08
  like, that's interesting. Also, I don't like that,
• 1:33:10
  although I don't want to do that work.
• 1:33:11
  Hold on, hold on. Hold on.
• 1:33:13
  I don't think that was a rule so much as like, a very commonly
• 1:33:16
  accepted Homebrew type thing. Fair, I don't think that was a
• 1:33:20
  rule in the game. Yeah.
• 1:33:24
  But there is just the percentage.
• 1:33:27
  Like there's an interesting idea behind hiding certain kinds of
• 1:33:34
  roles. The stealth role is the one that
• 1:33:36
  comes up a lot, right? Because the I meant with the
• 1:33:39
  stealth role is, well, you don't know how stealthy you're being
• 1:33:42
  because you don't know who's looking for you which is like
• 1:33:46
  yeah. You have a bit of an argument
• 1:33:48
  there but yeah. I think the the diffusion of
• 1:33:54
  workload outweighs that premise for me, you know, like it's a
• 1:34:00
  cool interesting idea. But like Isaiah said, I don't
• 1:34:02
  really want to have to do that every time I don't want to have
• 1:34:05
  to remember, or write down every player, stealth bonus and all
• 1:34:08
  that. Like, It's just not I just want
• 1:34:11
  to tell the player role is stealth check for me.
• 1:34:12
  You know why I have like in your because like on I don't know
• 1:34:16
  other probably table. Mule virtual table tops this but
• 1:34:19
  I have my own like little DM screen but has like little notes
• 1:34:22
  of like all right everybody's past the perception checks
• 1:34:25
  everybody who knows what language is so I know what the
• 1:34:29
  fuck like I can call out if I find something in my deep
• 1:34:32
  speech. Yeah, I mean and you could do
• 1:34:34
  that and that's fine but I still just, I don't know it.
• 1:34:38
  Yeah. Just rather tell the player
• 1:34:40
  looking to do it. I'm going to be real if if my GM
• 1:34:43
  did this to me. Like I said, they were like I
• 1:34:47
  want to adopt this rule. So yeah, as soon as wasn't done
• 1:34:50
  from the beginning right supposed to be getting out of
• 1:34:52
  shit out of luck but if they were like, we're gonna start
• 1:34:54
  doing this now, I'm just going to be a troll and be like but
• 1:34:56
  Gia my past the percept. I'm going to say my passive X
• 1:34:59
  y&z, I'm just not going to care. I'm 100%.
• 1:35:01
  Okay, with being a troll and dying on that Hill, you're just
• 1:35:05
  like Michelle. I have the alert feet and the
• 1:35:07
  observant fee and you put your vitals are receptions, 22 GM,
• 1:35:13
  you know. But Jim, I've alert, I'm just,
• 1:35:17
  his are doing shy. This is the you ever watched
• 1:35:20
  the, there's a guy on YouTube by Dan.
• 1:35:22
  You just made a video is Like I Roll perception.
• 1:35:24
  Check to see what's in the room. You mean investigation?
• 1:35:27
  No, no. I want to use perception so I
• 1:35:29
  can look around and find things like me investigation, you know.
• 1:35:33
  Actually no, I don't want to do that.
• 1:35:34
  Can I perceive the guards into not telling me?
• 1:35:37
  It's like, no, because the guards kill you and you die this
• 1:35:40
  time, save that the guard, stab you and you die.
• 1:35:42
  It would you that? Yeah, 100%.
• 1:35:44
  That would be me. Yeah.
• 1:35:50
  I mean, although I will say as a you don't think there's any
• 1:35:53
  argument and or convincing reason that someone could give
• 1:35:57
  where they roll some of your stats for you kind of thing.
• 1:36:00
  No no that's that's not that's not say if it was if that's what
• 1:36:03
  was agreed upon at the beginning and fine I'm saying in the niche
• 1:36:08
  situation where Jim is like, I'm going to start doing this now,
• 1:36:10
  without it, I think it's cool. Yeah.
• 1:36:15
  Yeah. All right guys we're going to
• 1:36:18
  start using the encumbrance Rule now.
• 1:36:20
  No, I yeah. Okay way through a campaign way
• 1:36:24
  through. If someone did that to me, I
• 1:36:26
  just stopped. I'm just gonna not take any of
• 1:36:27
  the way. Yeah I mean if you do it Midway
• 1:36:31
  through. That's some that's some shyster.
• 1:36:33
  Yeah. All right about this one for a
• 1:36:35
  while. We only got three more and then
• 1:36:37
  some honorable mention dog, dog. So we're gonna go with this one.
• 1:36:45
  Having a mechanical system for influence is a waste.
• 1:36:48
  It should be reflected in the narrative and not by using
• 1:36:50
  points to buy favors and other things.
• 1:36:53
  Big thumbs up, big thumb. I'm not even job.
• 1:36:55
  Sure what they mean? Good take.
• 1:36:58
  So I based on the context that I garnered from the comment
• 1:37:02
  section on this one and there was a lot of them so I didn't
• 1:37:05
  just, there's no point. I believe their argument was
• 1:37:09
  that Basically Charisma skills should just not really be a
• 1:37:15
  thing. See, I don't think Charisma
• 1:37:18
  skills. Shouldn't be a thing I think
• 1:37:19
  this because I, my me a thought goes to the whole influence
• 1:37:23
  action. Shit.
• 1:37:24
  Yeah. I don't think that's what I had
• 1:37:25
  cups. I don't think that's what
• 1:37:27
  they're talking about. Yeah.
• 1:37:28
  I think it's just more of an overall like any.
• 1:37:31
  Yeah. So the second sentence should be
• 1:37:35
  reflecting The Narrative and not by using points to buy favors
• 1:37:38
  that almost kind of sounds like they're making fun of the System
• 1:37:41
  in games, like Dragon Age, where you give your Give Up character
• 1:37:44
  gifts, and then they like, fall in love with you, type thing.
• 1:37:48
  That's kind of how that. So I don't think they're
• 1:37:50
  necessarily talking about the influence action.
• 1:37:54
  If they're saying I mean yeah this is another I would
• 1:37:57
  extrapolate please sir. Because I don't I guess.
• 1:38:03
  There's only so many words. My tweets.
• 1:38:04
  Josh, there's always so many you can string some tweets together.
• 1:38:06
  It's fine. I don't want to use twit longer.
• 1:38:09
  You don't have to you can literally just string tweets
• 1:38:11
  together. So let's put to specify the
• 1:38:14
  further. The a question in the further
• 1:38:16
  response was the question, what about something used to
• 1:38:20
  establish contacts and relationships?
• 1:38:22
  Or is that not considered influence the response was?
• 1:38:25
  That doesn't need a mechanic? Okay, yeah, see that's right,
• 1:38:29
  disagree. No I think this is I think this
• 1:38:33
  player this this this is not this player.
• 1:38:36
  This person is trying to basically be like oh, you don't
• 1:38:41
  need a mechanic to reflect certain things you can just like
• 1:38:47
  play it out. There's so many problems and
• 1:38:53
  scenarios where having a mechanic can be useful or
• 1:38:58
  designing something can help a player out.
• 1:39:01
  Like, or it can make the game more interesting.
• 1:39:03
  I mean, this is basically a shit take because it's again, it's to
• 1:39:06
  blanket of a statement. You know, like I have seen games
• 1:39:11
  that have a mechanic for how you can influence, or sort of use
• 1:39:16
  points of Faber to get an NPC to like do something or nudge them
• 1:39:21
  in a specific Direction and its really it's cool and
• 1:39:24
  interesting. And also, you know, the way the
• 1:39:28
  the place where I think a mechanic like that, Where, you
• 1:39:31
  know, and influence mechanic, if you will is really cool.
• 1:39:35
  And helpful is let's say you have a player who's like not
• 1:39:40
  who's not. Let's say you have a player
• 1:39:41
  who's the opposite of me and Isaiah and they don't talk that
• 1:39:44
  much and they're not like super, they're not gonna, they're not
• 1:39:50
  going to like talk over anyone. They're not going to push to the
• 1:39:52
  front of a conversation necessarily or they're not going
• 1:39:54
  to push the front well in play. But they want to play the spike
• 1:39:59
  Spiegel character. They want to play.
• 1:40:01
  Face. They want to play the pilot of
• 1:40:02
  the ship. They want to play the shit
• 1:40:03
  talking bar, right? Like they want to play that
• 1:40:05
  character but they in real life are not necessarily like that.
• 1:40:11
  I having a influence mechanic, I don't even like the word
• 1:40:14
  influence mechanic but let's just go with it because that's
• 1:40:16
  what they put. Having an influence mechanic,
• 1:40:20
  you give that player the ability to have the power fantasy of
• 1:40:24
  being the cool charismatic face character without having to
• 1:40:29
  like, learn how to be Kara. Asthmatic in real life which is
• 1:40:33
  kind of like an unreasonable request, you know.
• 1:40:36
  Like if I want to play the super strong orc I don't have to prove
• 1:40:40
  that I'm really jacked in real life in order to play the strong
• 1:40:42
  orc, I just get to play the strong work because I have a
• 1:40:45
  high strengths that I have Athletics, etcetera, Etc.
• 1:40:48
  So having influence mechanics. If my power fantasy is before
• 1:40:53
  work, man, and your power fantasy is cool.
• 1:40:55
  Bard, like cool barred leader of the group.
• 1:40:58
  We can both have our power fantasy because We both have
• 1:41:01
  mechanics to reflect it, so that's where that kind of stuff
• 1:41:05
  that comes into play. And on top of that, having a
• 1:41:09
  mechanic for doing the thing where, you know, if you're
• 1:41:13
  playing Shadowrun and you're like, man, we need someone to
• 1:41:15
  help us break into a building and then you could play the
• 1:41:18
  character who's like, I know a guy having a mechanic for, I
• 1:41:21
  know a guy can make it really cool.
• 1:41:24
  And also it can do lots of fun things.
• 1:41:26
  Like introduce a new MPC that your GM didn't wouldn't have
• 1:41:30
  thought of before. Or introduce a new facet of a
• 1:41:33
  characters backgrounds. There's so many ways that you
• 1:41:35
  could do a cool, like a cool and interesting, like influence
• 1:41:39
  mechanic that this is just like a dumb.
• 1:41:42
  But this is again the same problem to blanket of a
• 1:41:45
  statement to Broad dumb. Yeah.
• 1:41:48
  Like this trick saving book like one of the only good things,
• 1:41:52
  I'll say it has a whole relationship thing.
• 1:41:55
  And yeah, I have the monkey with it but it gets players to
• 1:41:58
  actually want to role play and talk with.
• 1:42:01
  Other NPCs and have connections and they gain bonds or Boone's
• 1:42:04
  if they're like frenemies and encourage a certain.
• 1:42:06
  That's the other thing is you can use.
• 1:42:08
  It can take to encourage certain kinds of play.
• 1:42:10
  Yeah, I mean the I know a guy. One was something I was going to
• 1:42:14
  bring up. Yeah, I like that one.
• 1:42:17
  Yeah, there's any wheel circles. I think there's literally a
• 1:42:22
  Gambit in a house games called. I know a guy I wouldn't be
• 1:42:25
  surprised. Have I told you about circles
• 1:42:27
  Isaiah, I am unfamiliar yeah, I think so.
• 1:42:31
  Yeah, yeah. It's basically basically you
• 1:42:33
  have a stat that's called certain.
• 1:42:35
  Yeah, it's a stab or less, that's called circles.
• 1:42:39
  And whenever you need to, whenever you need to like, call
• 1:42:42
  upon or create an MPC whiz useful, to you, in something
• 1:42:48
  like you need someone to help you out with something.
• 1:42:50
  You roll your circles and the GM.
• 1:42:53
  The more specific you are. The more difficult, the circles
• 1:42:56
  role is and the more broad you are that.
• 1:42:58
  Eat. So, for example, if you roll
• 1:42:59
  circles and you say, I just need to get find a guy who owns a
• 1:43:03
  house, the GM's going to be like, all right, well lots of
• 1:43:05
  people own a house, that's only obstacle one.
• 1:43:08
  I need to find a guy who owns a house who also owns the gun, who
• 1:43:11
  knows how to fix that gun, and who also has military training.
• 1:43:14
  All right now you're getting really specific obstacle for
• 1:43:17
  you. Make the roll and basically, the
• 1:43:21
  NPC exists, whether you succeed or fail, and what the role does
• 1:43:25
  is dictate their relationship to you.
• 1:43:28
  You might fail the role and then the guy who owns the gun exist,
• 1:43:32
  but he's pissed off at you for something or you owe him money
• 1:43:36
  or something like that you know. And that's that is an incredibly
• 1:43:41
  good example of a quote-unquote influence mechanic now are
• 1:43:45
  further. I get.
• 1:43:46
  Yeah. I mean the relationship when I
• 1:43:48
  guess yeah. Like that's good.
• 1:43:50
  Yeah they also did this in the remember if it was in the child
• 1:43:54
  or a book or the wild Mount book, one of the critical role
• 1:43:57
  books it was wild. Yeah, the they had the
• 1:43:59
  background Chronicles. Yeah.
• 1:44:01
  And then James hey made one specifically for the Forgotten
• 1:44:06
  Realms that I fucking love. Then would have loved to use
• 1:44:09
  because it's just interesting. It's like you couldn't have like
• 1:44:12
  kind of like in your wheels. You can have an NPC who's, like,
• 1:44:16
  I think it one of them is like a weretiger.
• 1:44:18
  It's like one of your friends is aware tiger.
• 1:44:19
  However, your relationship with them is Rocky because they're
• 1:44:23
  always do something from his dad.
• 1:44:24
  You're like what the fuck? Wait a minute, it's just because
• 1:44:28
  they're aware tiger. No shit.
• 1:44:30
  Yeah, right. You think the we're talking
• 1:44:32
  thing would be a you know, a problem but it's actually not.
• 1:44:34
  It's the most normal thing about.
• 1:44:35
  Well we could talk to Steve, why don't we do that?
• 1:44:38
  Why? Well because he's aware tiger
• 1:44:40
  and like he's usually pretty good for it, but there is a
• 1:44:43
  chance, he rips one of our throats out, it's a it's a
• 1:44:46
  fucking Bayern from The Hobbit where they're like, well when
• 1:44:49
  he's a man, he's pretty chill, he's probably gonna help us and
• 1:44:52
  they're like wait what do you mean when he's a man?
• 1:44:54
  Well there's this thing where he's at Bears, sometimes
• 1:44:56
  sometimes a lot less shill. That's a good.
• 1:45:02
  He's good. All right, basically, once
• 1:45:07
  again, if you cast a broad wide, net blanket, you're probably
• 1:45:11
  gonna look like a poopoo head. Here's one.
• 1:45:19
  GM's. Who fudge dice?
• 1:45:20
  Shouldn't get upset with players who fudge dice.
• 1:45:23
  If you as the GM? I can't even finish.
• 1:45:25
  This trip is if you as the GM, ask your players to trust you
• 1:45:28
  that, you know, best when the game will be made better by
• 1:45:32
  altering a dice roll. Why don't you give the same
• 1:45:34
  trust to your players? First of all, they put an extra
• 1:45:40
  tea and tabletop RPG. I like that right off the bat
• 1:45:48
  actual fuck. I think, I don't remember, I
• 1:45:54
  think I've mentioned this once once in a while, where I think
• 1:45:58
  the only thing I really like fudge is a DM is like health of
• 1:46:02
  monsters. But it's really because, like I
• 1:46:05
  roll20. I didn't know for the longest
• 1:46:06
  time that you can hide your rolls.
• 1:46:08
  So I That's automatically rolled in the open and I'm just like,
• 1:46:12
  I'm just, like, fuck it. That's fine.
• 1:46:14
  This is how it is now. So, I mean, yeah, whatever.
• 1:46:19
  I mean, it doesn't even matter how much fudging you do or don't
• 1:46:22
  do. That's not even what the person
• 1:46:23
  is saying is like, right? But like it.
• 1:46:26
  Yeah, you should get shouldn't get mad.
• 1:46:27
  Like it's hard on a tabletop perspective because can't really
• 1:46:31
  do like a virtual tabletop because you can't really cheat
• 1:46:33
  unless it's like, hey, hey, Billy, no, you don't.
• 1:46:37
  Notice that your I noticed that your Your stats say you have a
• 1:46:40
  plus 10 to your own arm straight?
• 1:46:42
  Yeah, yeah, yeah, man. Oh shit.
• 1:46:45
  I don't know how that happened. My my strength went from 15 to
• 1:46:49
  30 hajjis. Let me let me fix that.
• 1:46:51
  Well, I mean, I think you kind of focusing your kind of
• 1:46:53
  focusing on the wrong thing here though.
• 1:46:55
  Matt, this is less about the fudging itself and more about
• 1:46:58
  this person talking about like trust issues is right?
• 1:47:03
  Well, that's why I'm getting, you know, I'm getting to like,
• 1:47:05
  the fudging like being up. So full-fledged ice you was Jim,
• 1:47:08
  Tressel Player you notes. If you as a GM Master players to
• 1:47:17
  trust that you know what's best for the game when when the game
• 1:47:21
  will up, sorry have just fucked that up.
• 1:47:22
  So badly. Yeah.
• 1:47:23
  Wait wait asked if you ask Ag and get ready to get this.
• 1:47:27
  If yeah, if you as a gym, ask your players to trust that, you
• 1:47:31
  know, best when the game will be made better by altering the dice
• 1:47:35
  roll. Why don't you give them the same
• 1:47:37
  trust to your plate? Huh.
• 1:47:44
  This statement is predicated on the assumption that the players
• 1:47:50
  and the GM are sitting in the same seat of power.
• 1:47:54
  They are not and you can assume that the players and the GM are
• 1:47:59
  equal in this regard because they're not as social contract
• 1:48:04
  that I as the GM have a greater sway over how this goes because
• 1:48:08
  that's what we all agreed to hear. and, The idea that, oh, if
• 1:48:17
  you fudge dice, your players should be able to fudge dice
• 1:48:19
  because they can also make the game better.
• 1:48:22
  Well no. They're going to make the game
• 1:48:25
  better for themselves but when you as the GM or fudging dice,
• 1:48:30
  you're trying to manipulate the game for the whole group and
• 1:48:35
  you're supposed to you're supposed to be doing it for an
• 1:48:38
  altruistic reason. A granted, obviously you can be
• 1:48:41
  a dickhead about fudging dice. But you can be a dickhead about
• 1:48:45
  everything in tabletop games. So, that's not really an
• 1:48:47
  argument. It's idea my, it kind of rolled
• 1:48:51
  the pickpocket, the, the Paladin, I rolled a three
• 1:48:53
  Thirty. This is like, you just rewrote
• 1:48:56
  now, his cock. Yeah.
• 1:49:00
  It's just, it's just first of all, it's just a silly idea.
• 1:49:04
  Think about players fudging dice because at that point, why are
• 1:49:09
  we rolling dice at all? If everyone's budget dice, why
• 1:49:11
  are we even rolling dice? We're all just yes.
• 1:49:12
  Making up numbers like what you know but also the point of the
• 1:49:18
  players is the Players want to be challenged that's part of the
• 1:49:25
  challenge. And again, that the powered, the
• 1:49:28
  power Dynamic is not equal in the table.
• 1:49:29
  Top game by Design you know damn wanted you can throw up trash at
• 1:49:35
  your level 3 players and say fuck you and if you have a
• 1:49:38
  problem with the power Dynamic, not being equal play a GM list
• 1:49:43
  game, right? Like we're play a solo RPG, you
• 1:49:50
  know, which do both of those things exist.
• 1:49:54
  And it's just If the power Dynamic was equal, this sentence
• 1:50:02
  would make sense but it's just not.
• 1:50:05
  So, this whole sentence goes out the window.
• 1:50:09
  Like I don't there's no other way I there's no, yeah, I mean
• 1:50:12
  there's all the way to put it. Like, I'm not even mad, I'm just
• 1:50:16
  disappointed. That you are missing the point.
• 1:50:20
  Understandable. I yeah I saw this one and it was
• 1:50:23
  so fascinating to me. Maybe you should have been an
• 1:50:27
  honorable mention, I'm not sure. But it was so fascinating so
• 1:50:29
  it's a shake. yes, beside that it like It to me, it sort of
• 1:50:37
  seemed like a maybe this person. I like the two screens of
• 1:50:42
  thought that I had was either. This person came from GM list.
• 1:50:46
  Systems was sort of, not really wise to the idea is to like the
• 1:50:52
  actual importance of Jia Ming. Yeah.
• 1:50:54
  What the point of the gym is? Yeah, maybe or they had a
• 1:50:58
  really, really bad GM who they knew was just cheating.
• 1:51:01
  Like I like an RPG horror stories.
• 1:51:04
  I'm just like Why can't I do that?
• 1:51:08
  Well it's you know, it's not like you said it's not really
• 1:51:11
  the points or also byproducts of good intention.
• 1:51:16
  What does hopefully good intentions also from a purely
• 1:51:19
  like moralistic standpoint problem to your GM cheating is
• 1:51:26
  not for you to also cheat through.
• 1:51:29
  Yeah I like that that's that whole like two wrongs.
• 1:51:31
  Don't make the right situate. Like if the problem was your GM.
• 1:51:35
  M is cheating. You cheating in return solves,
• 1:51:38
  literally nothing. This is all anything.
• 1:51:43
  Mmm. So yeah, I don't some solve
• 1:51:50
  anything. I actually.
• 1:51:53
  Yeah. So this is like it's all my
• 1:51:56
  daughter. It's like I almost want to say,
• 1:51:58
  it's not a shit. Take it's a misguided.
• 1:52:00
  Take example, that's exactly what I was gonna say.
• 1:52:02
  I don't think this is a shit take actually.
• 1:52:04
  I think that there's probably some good intentions behind this
• 1:52:07
  take despite what it literally says I do.
• 1:52:11
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. But it seems like there is like
• 1:52:13
  a yeah, you're trying to have good intentions but you're sort
• 1:52:19
  of Not thinking about it all the way you're not thinking it
• 1:52:24
  through. It just kind of saying it.
• 1:52:28
  Yeah. Yeah I'm yeah.
• 1:52:31
  I think my final verdict not a shit take but I think it is a
• 1:52:33
  misguided take to say the least. I'm gonna say it's a shit take
• 1:52:37
  by virtue of just I disagree. Wholeheartedly fair enough but I
• 1:52:41
  understand how the person could be misguided.
• 1:52:49
  Yeah. And for the final one, Oh yeah.
• 1:52:58
  I do not mind at all. When a GM tells me how my
• 1:53:01
  character is feeling, a lot of people seem to really hate this.
• 1:53:04
  I personally don't care. As long as the GM doesn't try
• 1:53:06
  to. Well, actually me if I have a
• 1:53:08
  different idea on how my character feels.
• 1:53:15
  Like I can, I can see it. So the only way I can see this
• 1:53:20
  with like the whole character feeling thing is if it's like
• 1:53:24
  not like a personality thing if it's like you went to a haunted
• 1:53:27
  house and it's like you all get the sense like of dread kind of
• 1:53:31
  washing over you or oh you get you know, fucking someone's
• 1:53:35
  whoop, you know, like there's an eerie feeling in the air, not
• 1:53:38
  like your characters really sad because they lost their favorite
• 1:53:42
  dagger, you know, like, I don't like that.
• 1:53:45
  I like that idea. Yeah, you're kind of on the
• 1:53:51
  train of thought that I was at there met The thing about this
• 1:53:58
  is this is getting into psychology a little bit, but the
• 1:54:01
  thing about emotions and feelings, you don't have control
• 1:54:07
  of them in real life, right? Like, well, you have control of
• 1:54:13
  you don't have control over knee-jerk, so I think is what
• 1:54:15
  you mean. Um, sometimes even more than
• 1:54:19
  that. I mean think about how often
• 1:54:21
  you've gotten mad and you're not even really a hundred percent.
• 1:54:24
  Sure why you're so mad about something, but you are, and then
• 1:54:28
  you're mad for the next hour and you can't, you just can't, you
• 1:54:31
  know what I mean? Like there are many situations
• 1:54:35
  where you are not 100% in control of your emotions.
• 1:54:41
  So the idea of that in game you know there's a certain like
• 1:54:51
  because a certain understanding they're like reasonableness
• 1:54:54
  there but the caveat That yes, you should not try to because it
• 1:55:04
  is a game, you shouldn't try to take over your so like even if
• 1:55:08
  it's true that you often don't have control of your emotions,
• 1:55:10
  you shouldn't try to like, take over the player characters, you
• 1:55:14
  shouldn't try to take over the players character.
• 1:55:18
  What you can do things like, you know?
• 1:55:23
  You can sort of imply, the knee jerks and stuff like that.
• 1:55:26
  Your player, your character walks into this room and they
• 1:55:29
  feel a little uncomfortable. They feel a little scared
• 1:55:32
  because of X y&z thing. Your character walks into this
• 1:55:35
  room, and they feel a feeling of euphoria, for whatever, you
• 1:55:37
  know, because of like the beauty of the place, blah blah, like
• 1:55:41
  sort of little momentary. This is how your characters
• 1:55:44
  feeling things are fine, the crossover of you're going too
• 1:55:49
  far, is if you start, If you start trying to dictate how a
• 1:55:54
  character feels in the long-term.
• 1:55:57
  So like, the character, you know, the player character talks
• 1:56:01
  to the king and then after the conversation, the GM's like
• 1:56:06
  Because of the events that happens on the previous week.
• 1:56:10
  And what happens with the men who died by your side, you feel
• 1:56:14
  deeply angered at the Kings choices, right?
• 1:56:17
  That's when you're going too far because now you're sort of
• 1:56:19
  dictating over a long span of Time how the character feels on
• 1:56:23
  like an almost like it's going Beyond feelings and it's going
• 1:56:28
  into the realm of like, I don't even know what I would call it.
• 1:56:32
  Like you're sort of controlling the character says psychology,
• 1:56:35
  like their Rational thinking because that's the thing is
• 1:56:38
  feelings, are often irrational. Once you get into the realm of
• 1:56:42
  like, oh, I'm also now going to influence your rational thinking
• 1:56:46
  and you're going a step too far. As I agree.
• 1:56:49
  I mean, the reason why I specified the knee-jerk says I
• 1:56:52
  will actually do that with that plan.
• 1:56:55
  So like you know you dropped a wrench in your immediate thought
• 1:56:58
  is like shit, you know. Yeah.
• 1:56:59
  Oh you dropped the Rancher annoyed, you drop the wrench?
• 1:57:01
  Yeah. The only time will I will go
• 1:57:04
  farther than that. I will say possibly your
• 1:57:08
  character. Possibly feels this.
• 1:57:10
  They're sort of give them an inkling as to like, what the
• 1:57:13
  situation your larges? Yeah, your character may feel
• 1:57:15
  mad about the situation. Your character may feel stressed
• 1:57:18
  out because What happened? Your character might feel scared
• 1:57:22
  because of the atmosphere. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:57:24
  And then with the intention of them I'm actually hitting me,
• 1:57:28
  right? Because it's like, oh, well,
• 1:57:29
  actually my characters used to this situation, right?
• 1:57:31
  Because they're like, you know, they hang out with the, the
• 1:57:34
  ne'er-do-wells of the city. So they're in their element.
• 1:57:36
  Oh my God. Cool.
• 1:57:36
  Fucking go for it. Yeah, you're yeah, you're
• 1:57:40
  leaving intentional room to get the, um, actually back.
• 1:57:43
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:57:49
  I mean, this is, yeah, I don't think this is your take.
• 1:57:52
  I think, I mean, this is weird partner to, it's a, it is
• 1:57:54
  definitely different. I, I think this is actually a
• 1:57:58
  good dig. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:57:59
  I agree. I think this is a pretty good
• 1:58:02
  take. I think this I think this is
• 1:58:03
  totally reasonable plus. If you give if you sort of give
• 1:58:07
  the GM permission for this kind of maneuver, you give some
• 1:58:13
  leeway for them to do some on storytelling stuff.
• 1:58:18
  Oh yeah. Have you say to the GM?
• 1:58:21
  Yeah, you can sort of dictate a little like you can dictate to a
• 1:58:25
  certain degree how my character might be feeling in a moment,
• 1:58:28
  then the GM can narrate like they can make things more.
• 1:58:34
  Dramatic by sort of imposing a feeling on, on your character
• 1:58:39
  you can make things more dramatic and interesting.
• 1:58:43
  I mean, I think There's a fine line though.
• 1:58:47
  Yeah, there's a final. I think for me the thought that
• 1:58:51
  I had was it's just sort of faster.
• 1:58:53
  I feel it is. Yes.
• 1:58:56
  Because it's opposed to being like you drop the wrench holds
• 1:58:58
  hand out and they all my characters like shit, okay,
• 1:59:03
  yeah. Well you dropped it, it's
• 1:59:04
  usually like you drop the wrench.
• 1:59:04
  Your initial thoughts will be something like now shit and then
• 1:59:07
  you go to pick it up and as you reach for it, it drops deeper.
• 1:59:09
  And then we get the pan down shot of the wrench falling
• 1:59:11
  through the gear work and that can set up a plot Point.
• 1:59:13
  Like, yeah, it's Totally a, it's totally a pacing knob that you
• 1:59:21
  can control. It is a good friend.
• 1:59:28
  All right, I guess. Matt, Matt has no strong opinion
• 1:59:30
  on that one. Oh yeah.
• 1:59:32
  No, no, no, sorry. All right.
• 1:59:35
  I gotta say what I say. In the beginning.
• 1:59:38
  None of these, none of these had you like not that one.
• 1:59:42
  I try harder shit that I find ones that will specifically.
• 1:59:47
  Yeah. I mean Matt is sort of like,
• 1:59:51
  actually no we got one, he's living, he's getting his my
• 1:59:53
  chance if his mm. Yeah, he can't.
• 1:59:55
  Yeah I mean to be fair we got one out of them.
• 1:59:57
  Players should never look at the monster.
• 1:59:58
  Stop block. True.
• 1:59:59
  True. We got some unknown although
• 2:00:01
  that was Matt getting annoyed at me rather than the shit take.
• 2:00:04
  So I guess I guess maybe Mission failed in that case, I don't
• 2:00:07
  know. Huh.
• 2:00:08
  Well not really annoyed but both question.
• 2:00:11
  He fails. Never mind.
• 2:00:13
  I take it back without my input. It wouldn't have been the case.
• 2:00:17
  So everybody you have to try harder.
• 2:00:20
  Next time. Is it something like every time
• 2:00:21
  I kill a player? I eat their dice.
• 2:00:23
  Yeah, it's like all right. Hmm.
• 2:00:30
  Choi. So we've hit the honorable
• 2:00:34
  mentions. Yeah, the first one I removing
• 2:00:40
  some stuff because it's a little politically charged.
• 2:00:44
  I will, I will not mention it vocally, but I will tell it to
• 2:00:48
  you. I'll just send you the.
• 2:00:49
  Take the last one on the last part of this.
• 2:00:54
  So the the parts that matter are Farmers should subtract from
• 2:00:59
  damage and not to hit many games.
• 2:01:01
  Do this, the world is changing this hobby is for everybody.
• 2:01:05
  That's as far as I'm going to go.
• 2:01:08
  What why would that even the one that gets me is if you don't
• 2:01:13
  like it, get off because it's a rough ride.
• 2:01:15
  That's where I was like, bro. Yeah, you just honestly just can
• 2:01:20
  I ignore that. Okay, I do actually want to read
• 2:01:23
  this out because it doesn't make any sense.
• 2:01:27
  Am I crazy here? So not I mean it's not I don't
• 2:01:33
  think it's that bad not but yeah if I don't know, if I say if you
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  think it's just not want me. I don't think it's bad.
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  I just you know, we've sort of hit a farm a Firm Stance on
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  neutrality and all things. So it's a dump like armor should
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  start. I'm just going to read if I get
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  our subtract from damage not to hit many games.
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  Do this, the world is changing this hobby is for everybody
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  changes to lure need to be made and representations need to be
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  added added. If people don't like it, get
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  off, because it's going to be a rough ride.
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  The first two sentences have nothing to do with the final and
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  nothing. The second half of that, we just
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  end up there. It doesn't even matter.
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  Like, I don't even know what they're getting at because the
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  idea of armor to hit versus subtract and that's what I'm
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  gonna do with the presentation from, I might be Miss parameter
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  but that's what that go was, right.
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  Or no, no, no, no backhoe is a backhoe was essentially I don't
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  tell them they don't worry. God, I just from what I remember
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  zero lower. AC was better in Deco, right?
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  That's where a lot of people started getting my into the
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  minuses and it was, you know, shit.
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  Lower AC was better, it had nothing to do with subtracting
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  damage though. Yeah, if you subtract the
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  damage, she liked it, like the fuck.
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  Like like I was thinking you'd have to change how the armor
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  system would work if you want to come.
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  Okay, here's the thing. This is not even okay, ignoring
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  the completely unrelated, the world need representation.
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  What? Because that has I don't that
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  has nothing to do with the first part.
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  Just put can't look at the armor part.
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  There are games that do this Star Wars.
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  Does this. When you get hit you have a soak
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  value, you're soaked value. You subtract from the damage you
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  take I like kind of like Shields and Halo like yeah, dungeon
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  World also does this whatever your armor is you subtract from
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  the damage of take. Oh yeah.
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  That's why weapons like Pierce exist.
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  Yeah. Yeah.
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  So like there are games that do it and yeah, in a lot of games
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  it works good and that's fine. In some games that works some
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  games, it doesn't some games, use it, some games.
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  Don't. Yeah, I just, I still like what?
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  Yeah, well, I mean, okay, bud, whatever, the thing that got me
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  was the if you don't like it, like, Almost like these are
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  changes are going to be made and you need to be on board with the
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  third sentence. It seems like the you if you
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  don't again the first two sentences, don't make any sense
• 2:04:01
  with the if you don't like it but like huh.
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  Yeah, yeah, yeah, but you sort of have to like, because it's
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  the conclusion you sort of have to read them in the context of
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  them that being the context of because it makes no sense.
• 2:04:14
  The wind, does it change the hobbyist for everybody and
• 2:04:17
  everybody demands. You subtract armor from damn it?
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  Like what? That's what I'm saying is like
• 2:04:22
  you know what the fuck are you talking about, bro?
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  Yeah, that's sort of where I was at.
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  It just doesn't make any goddamn sense.
• 2:04:30
  Just blowing smoke up. Al I gotta.
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  Okay. The second one, this one's for
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  you. Josh, you're so stupid.
• 2:04:37
  Honorable mention number two. Dragonborn I just kobolds for
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  cowards Based is fuck absolutely base.
• 2:05:00
  That's fucking this to take it a century, fuck.
• 2:05:03
  Yeah dude I was like this I have like did Josh right this?
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  I did it but I would have I love that one.
• 2:05:13
  I just Amazing. Yeah, my guy not a butt.
• 2:05:19
  It's not a whole lot to discuss. Is that would it just I'm not
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  there? Just to base camp, say
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  something. So bold yet.
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  So troops to be a snake. I don't know.
• 2:05:25
  It's a our veteran number three there dice.
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  They're not Shake Weights. You're trying to produce a
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  random number not burn calories my answer.
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  Fuck you. Let me clickety-clack my
• 2:05:37
  cleaning cloth, back with Mac math, math rocks.
• 2:05:41
  Let me click them and clamps. I fucking well, I'm a lamp.
• 2:05:44
  Whoa, man through My argument, my argument is porque Los Dos, I
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  can burn calories. Maybe I wanted, maybe I'm
• 2:05:54
  practicing for the Jack. I'm going to have later.
• 2:05:56
  Like, you don't know me damn children, and it's that big of
• 2:05:59
  issue. Just get, get that player or
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  diced. Our, I get him a diced.
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  Our if you gotta be a whiny bitch about it, there's no, I
• 2:06:06
  feel there's to me dice. Towers are just like, no.
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  Yeah. I'm you know, I don't think I
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  will. I want to land on my damn self.
• 2:06:14
  No, I don't like them. Although they do in school, you
• 2:06:18
  can get really cool ones. Some of them do like cool.
• 2:06:20
  I disagree ones Empire chips. His mouth.
• 2:06:23
  Yeah, they look cool. But it's like if you got the
• 2:06:27
  Clickety Clacks, you got to clickety-clack MMM.
• 2:06:29
  Don't let something this is the AI aren't problem.
• 2:06:34
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• 2:06:37
  something. So, they can.
• 2:06:37
  We stroll in a particular Square.
• 2:06:39
  Oh yeah. Well, be the argument is just
• 2:06:41
  they don't want to hear the, the Judgment isn't ours.
• 2:06:43
  Are getting too hard when they're rolling them.
• 2:06:46
  Yeah, not fuck that. I would do it again.
• 2:06:48
  Now, I'm gonna do it even harder because of this person, your
• 2:06:50
  color have a random person on the internet.
• 2:06:52
  Yeah. Right.
• 2:06:54
  Fuck. How about dealing with it?
• 2:06:58
  Yeah, exactly. Yeah.
• 2:06:59
  Have you thought about just being like, I don't know.
• 2:07:03
  Maybe even shoot damn loud. How about that, huh?
• 2:07:05
  What am I gonna do with you chewing loudly smugly does this
• 2:07:08
  person probably does? I ain't even gonna lie.
• 2:07:15
  All right. Final one is a, this one gets
• 2:07:18
  me. So I pick up, six.
• 2:07:19
  It got me. Mad improvised weapons, should
• 2:07:22
  do. More damage than regular.
• 2:07:24
  What makes no logical sense. It doesn't make any fucking yes.
• 2:07:31
  This 2x4 should do more damage than a great mall.
• 2:07:34
  Yeah, yeah, yeah and I picked up the bowling pin.
• 2:07:37
  It's gotta do more damage in the fucking battle.
• 2:07:39
  At this, is this chair. I have way better than my battle
• 2:07:43
  axe. Yeah, to take should be
• 2:07:47
  improvised weapons, to do more damage than regular weapons to
• 2:07:50
  you. Yeah, this is art a glass I'm
• 2:07:53
  using it's not particularly if you go and doing well against
• 2:07:55
  this armored Knight but my hands are fucked mission accomplished.
• 2:08:00
  Yeah like I don't even What is this?
• 2:08:04
  Is the mean there's a meme. Take ya know, I this again I was
• 2:08:09
  much like, take number two, I sat there maulding, I would love
• 2:08:14
  to hear them. Genuinely try and argue that one
• 2:08:17
  eye bro, there were no fine, we'll find something to defend,
• 2:08:23
  I would just love to hear that argument.
• 2:08:26
  Josh Iron Golem this argument right now, you got it?
• 2:08:28
  Yeah. Improvised weapon won't On the
• 2:08:32
  spot. You got it.
• 2:08:44
  All right there 33. 20 seconds on the clock.
• 2:08:48
  Maybe they're trying to that. Pussy over there walking around
• 2:08:51
  with a great sword. Why would you want to do that?
• 2:08:52
  When I could just use anything? You see this chair, my weapon,
• 2:08:56
  you see this? This elderly gentleman my
• 2:08:58
  weapon. You see this dog?
• 2:09:00
  My weapon. The world is my weapon.
• 2:09:02
  You have to go to a shop and buy one bitch I can use anything.
• 2:09:05
  I can use this rock. In fact, I am going to use this
• 2:09:07
  rock. Oh no, the guard heard me.
• 2:09:10
  I don't know if that was much of an iron golem statement but you
• 2:09:13
  know, it was good pitch, I love you, love your guard, heard me.
• 2:09:16
  I don't know. Maybe, maybe what they were
• 2:09:19
  trying to just say is improvised weapons should be a little bit
• 2:09:22
  better. They should be better for sure.
• 2:09:25
  Maybe I just trying to get at he just they should do more damage.
• 2:09:30
  I just kissed her. I don't know.
• 2:09:31
  If you've ever looked at a baseball bat it's not
• 2:09:34
  particularly pointy. You can't you can't stab with a
• 2:09:37
  Batman you if You're strong enough.
• 2:09:39
  I'm sure you could figure it out.
• 2:09:41
  Don't even say, I forgot a night of stars, like d-10 base is that
• 2:09:46
  isn't like I improvised weapon base damage.
• 2:09:48
  I could do 10 though. He for he, for oh, what am I
• 2:09:52
  thinking? I have no idea.
• 2:09:53
  There's something in a DMG where that you'd like, here's some
• 2:09:56
  Ramen random damage if you don't know what to do, oh, that's
• 2:09:58
  that's improvising damage. If like something happens to
• 2:10:00
  your players that you feel like she do damage but there's no
• 2:10:04
  dice for it right now, you know, it actually handles this pretty
• 2:10:08
  well. Tell escapes because it has its
• 2:10:12
  improvised weapons are damaged out by weight.
• 2:10:15
  So something less than a pound as a D4.
• 2:10:18
  Something 1 pound 24 pounds, does a D6 and they have it for
• 2:10:23
  slashing and bludgeoning. I think six pounds to 10 pounds
• 2:10:27
  does ad8 or a d-10? And then I think it's sighs.
• 2:10:32
  I don't know. Yeah, I don't think anything
• 2:10:33
  does a D12 because asking someone to haul around something
• 2:10:35
  that weighs 20 pounds. It's just not fucking practical.
• 2:10:39
  Yeah, I think it goes up to a d-10 and it's all done by weight
• 2:10:41
  and I'm just like, yes. That makes sense.
• 2:10:44
  Yeah, you can, if you wanted to do fucking slap, Happy Jack, if
• 2:10:47
  there is some viability there for you.
• 2:10:55
  All right. That's all of them.
• 2:10:56
  That's it. That's me done.
• 2:10:57
  I'm done pasta roller coaster. We are off the roller coaster,
• 2:11:00
  finally. We didn't Gamers, I think which
• 2:11:09
  one which one was the worst one that made you the most mad?
• 2:11:13
  Probably no bitch. I've been number five, probably
• 2:11:17
  over 6. Then I was number 6, PC show.
• 2:11:20
  They know what the characters though?
• 2:11:23
  Yeah, probably that for me and I probably to its price.
• 2:11:28
  Probably three the, the should be called from your table.
• 2:11:31
  Just man arrogance. I just let me say though number
• 2:11:35
  two was fighting strong the whole way.
• 2:11:37
  Yeah, nope. That's fair.
• 2:11:39
  Goddamn. You know what?
• 2:11:40
  That person should be called. How about that huh?
• 2:11:42
  Are you away? Oh, what happens?
• 2:11:48
  Larry? What happens.
• 2:11:50
  Why are you bullying me? I'm right.
• 2:11:55
  I say nothing. Your silence is acknowledgement.
• 2:12:00
  I know what I need to know. All right, that's us.
• 2:12:07
  That's been that's been this episode.
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• 2:12:40
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  to this man. Still doing it.
• 2:13:50
  Goddamn, I finish it. Like a lot of extra things you
• 2:13:57
  didn't know about that. Did you audience do you?
• 2:14:02
  Did you know, tell us in the comments that we are now know?
• 2:14:05
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• 2:14:14
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  off the kitty.