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Husband’s bizarre interview gives clues about murdered wife and tot-daughters · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Just fifteen weeks into it,
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Speaker 1: a young mom posting online it says, fifteen weeks baby
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Speaker 1: is the size of an orange girl or boy, planning
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Speaker 1: her reveal party. But that reveal party for Shannan Watts
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Speaker 1: was not meant to be. She is dead, along with
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Speaker 1: both of her little girls. Absolutely beautiful little girls, Taughts
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Speaker 1: all dead. Why Bella and Celeste found their bodies submerged
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Speaker 1: in oil crude oil at an obscure drilling site. I
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Speaker 1: Nancy Gray, this is Crime Stories. Thank you for being
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Speaker 1: with us as the mystery intensifies. Take a listen to this.
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Speaker 1: My daddy is a hero. He helped me grow up,
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Speaker 1: helping me. It's not good too. He reads me. If
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Speaker 1: you my daddy, daddy and love you. Well. There you
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Speaker 1: here a little Bella singing the daughters Bella and Celeste.
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Speaker 1: Something about it, Ashley Wilcott. When I first woke up,
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Speaker 1: I started reading about Chanan and her case. And when
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Speaker 1: I saw that reveal uh announcement, fifteen weeks baby it's
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Speaker 1: the size of an orange girl or boy, I just
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Speaker 1: burst into tears. I mean when when I was pregnant,
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Speaker 1: ash I didn't have a reveal party. I was keeping
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Speaker 1: it under the wraps because I didn't want press or
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Speaker 1: anybody else to find out about it because it had
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Speaker 1: been really really hard for me to get pregnant. I
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Speaker 1: was having a very difficult pregnancy. I didn't want it
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Speaker 1: out there. I didn't have any kind of a reveal
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Speaker 1: party at all. But I recently had a reveal party
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Speaker 1: in the backyard with my nephew's wife and they opened
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Speaker 1: up a box and balloons came out, and I still
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Speaker 1: remember like it was yesterday, and they was so excited,
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Speaker 1: and we had a cake and everybody was so happy,
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Speaker 1: and I'm looking at her. It was a little baby boy.
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Speaker 1: And I found out just recently, ash she was battling
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Speaker 1: lupa and had really struggled to even have children, and
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Speaker 1: they're finally getting their dream two girls and a boy.
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Speaker 1: And that was not meant to be. She's dead and
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Speaker 1: found and a shallow grave. Ashley. Something about this revealed
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Speaker 1: party announcement just pushed me over the edge. Yeah, because
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Speaker 1: look at the celebration and how excited she was. And
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Speaker 1: she's got these two beautiful, beautiful, beautiful girls, right, and
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Speaker 1: so they're gorgeous girls in here. She's gonna have a boy,
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Speaker 1: and it's so exciting. And people don't do these revealed
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Speaker 1: parties unless they want the child. They're excited about the child.
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Speaker 1: She was going to be a mother a third time.
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Speaker 1: It was a huge event. Oh man, how I would
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Speaker 1: love to be a mother for the third time. I
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Speaker 1: guess part of it, Um that's getting to me with
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Speaker 1: me is Ashley Willcott, lawyer, judge, founder of child Crime
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Speaker 1: watch dot com, investigative reporter with Crime online dot com.
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Speaker 1: Ellen Colaurin, who's been on the case from the very beginning.
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Speaker 1: Cop turned renowned private investigator Vincent Hill, and Susan Constantine,
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Speaker 1: the author of Complete Idiot's Guide to Reading Body Language.
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Speaker 1: She is a deception of body language expert. Uh to
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Speaker 1: all of you, thank you for being with us. Something else, Ellen,
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Speaker 1: I want to go to you sadly. Vincent, you're left
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Speaker 1: out of this part because you're not gonna get it.
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Speaker 1: Hold on, sorry, you may be a cop turn p I,
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Speaker 1: but this is something completely different. Susan Ashley Ellen. I've
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Speaker 1: been also looking at another photo that's just come out,
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Speaker 1: and it's a chanan and she's standing there holding one
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Speaker 1: of the baby girls. I think Celeste Bella's holding onto
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Speaker 1: the dad's leg. They're standing in a living room and
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Speaker 1: it looks straight Jackie, you gotta see this straight out
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Speaker 1: of h G TV. Looks like look at that. And
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Speaker 1: you know what struck me. I'm looking. I'm like, why
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Speaker 1: is this so familiar? The lamp they have in the
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Speaker 1: background is the same ones I have in our guest bedroom.
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Speaker 1: Got him at pier one on sale. And and it's
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Speaker 1: so the whole home Allen is just so cute and
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Speaker 1: well decorated. It and she's all dressed up in some
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Speaker 1: little black leather slash pleather pants and they have on
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Speaker 1: their little outfit. They're just it looks like the perfect family. Ellen.
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Speaker 1: That's that's that's the that's the thing. That's what's bothering me.
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Speaker 1: And I think it a lot. I think it may
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Speaker 1: have it, or at least that they believe that they
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Speaker 1: were everything that we're learning about Channon and the kids
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Speaker 1: in the in the weeks and months leading up to this,
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Speaker 1: they didn't. They weren't scared, they weren't on the run.
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Speaker 1: They were they were thrilled about their lives, they were excited,
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Speaker 1: they were excited about the future. You know another thing
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Speaker 1: I'm looking at um is their home. And I'll tell
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Speaker 1: you why I'm focusing on this, and Vincent, I will
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Speaker 1: get into the details of the disappearance and the martyrs
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Speaker 1: with you in just a moment. But Ashley, I'm looking
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Speaker 1: at the home. This is about a half a million
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Speaker 1: dollar home in this area, and it's very uh, it's
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Speaker 1: really nice, especially for that area. It's not a bad
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Speaker 1: area at all. It's a very nice area. But the
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Speaker 1: other homes, and you can see the one next to it,
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Speaker 1: are are nothing like Shanane's home. And this is what
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Speaker 1: else I know, Ashley. I know that the husband had
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Speaker 1: been working for an oil company and a dark co
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Speaker 1: and they are basically a supplier of crude oil and drilling.
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Speaker 1: They drill and uh. They had declared bankruptcy in two
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Speaker 1: thousand fifteen, and they were making a comeback because mommy
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Speaker 1: daddy's working, but mommy goes out at lants. An eighty
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Speaker 1: thousand dollar job with this health supplant sounds a little
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Speaker 1: bit like a pyramid scheme because um, and I don't
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Speaker 1: mean that in a bad way. It's just that your
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Speaker 1: job is not only to push the health supplement, but
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Speaker 1: also to recruit other members to work under you, okay,
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Speaker 1: and then you be all the hot. More you recruit,
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Speaker 1: the higher up you go, Uh, what's the one? Am? Why?
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Speaker 1: Am way? Thank you? Jackie like that? What do you know?
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Speaker 1: So here's the thing I have to point out. You know,
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Speaker 1: they were having financial problems they want and they went
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Speaker 1: through bankruptcy. Most of the times, that's what causes a stress, right,
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Speaker 1: and that's when we can see instances of domestic violence
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Speaker 1: or injuries or problems because of the stress. Well, now
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Speaker 1: they're on their upswing. Now they're doing well. So what
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Speaker 1: if it is to you know, whatever type of job
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Speaker 1: it was, The reality is she was making good money
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Speaker 1: and able to provide and so here and now they've
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Speaker 1: gotten through their financial crisis. You would think that that
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Speaker 1: particular stress would now be gone. But part of the
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Speaker 1: job Susan Constantine is that she has to travel. Now,
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Speaker 1: if you look at all of her postings, and I
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Speaker 1: would saying the other day, Susan's like the realtor that
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Speaker 1: takes you around the look at apartments or homes or
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Speaker 1: condos or whatever you're looking at. They always addressed to
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Speaker 1: the nines. They've got on awesome furniture, I mean awesome jewelry.
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Speaker 1: They if they're driving, they have an awesome car. It's
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Speaker 1: perfectly clean and perfect and pristine and smells and me
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Speaker 1: on the inside. They have to project that. They have
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Speaker 1: to project that, whether it's real or whether that jewelry
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Speaker 1: is uh costume jewelry, They've got to project an image.
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Speaker 1: And on her Facebook, she was projecting that image. Um,
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Speaker 1: because she was recruiting, always recruiting, in these trips out
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Speaker 1: of town. She was now having to take Susan or
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Speaker 1: like to Mexico to uh cool tourist spots too real
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Speaker 1: the next people in to get them to work for
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Speaker 1: the same health supplement. And it was working Susan, but
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Speaker 1: it involved a lot of travel with Daddy left along
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Speaker 1: with the children. Yeah, and you know, Nancy, I've spoken
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Speaker 1: to several real estate companies and you're right. I mean
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Speaker 1: they dressed to the nth degree. I mean you would
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Speaker 1: look out in the sea of people and it's like,
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Speaker 1: you know, a fashion show. They dress and St. John's
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Speaker 1: and very expensive clothing. And in the fact that she's
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Speaker 1: traveling along and then wait, wait, wait, wait wait, you
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Speaker 1: said St. John's. You know who we are. St John's,
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Speaker 1: Gloria already, can I just put that out there, because
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Speaker 1: I have looked at the tags in her clothes. I've
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Speaker 1: walked up to her said, Gloria, what is that? Why
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Speaker 1: do you always have on new outfits St. John's. I
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Speaker 1: when I was covering Top Mom in Orlando. Of course
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Speaker 1: here comes me, and of course I go to the outlet.
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Speaker 1: All right, I go to the outlet, and even in
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Speaker 1: the outlet, one jacket was like seven dollars. I looked
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Speaker 1: at one jack. I'm like, this is not the right
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Speaker 1: place for me. I have to go now. And I left.
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Speaker 1: And you know what I'm saying is what they're projecting Susan.
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Speaker 1: It may be real. I don't know, but everything looks
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Speaker 1: so happy. I think that's what's messing with my head, right,
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Speaker 1: And that's what I'm seeing here is this picture perfect life,
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Speaker 1: the beautiful home. Everything is staged so beautifully. The clothing,
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Speaker 1: the family looks picture perfect, and so that in itself
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Speaker 1: me have come in even this. Wait, I'm looking at
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Speaker 1: those photos of them coming back from Oh. Another thing
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Speaker 1: I found out earlier today. They had just gone on
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Speaker 1: a vacation to North Carolina to visit her family, Shenan's family.
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Speaker 1: She stayed six weeks he went home after one week.
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Speaker 1: Now here's the thing I get. Vacation has to end
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Speaker 1: after one week. I never even got a whole week
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Speaker 1: off as a district attorney. I might get it a
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Speaker 1: couple of days here and there. But she stayed six weeks.
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Speaker 1: They were away from the dad for six weeks. Interesting,
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Speaker 1: doesn't prove anything, but I'm just taking it away as information.
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Speaker 1: My whole point is I'm looking at their travel photo.
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Speaker 1: They have matching luckage. When we get our luggage off
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Speaker 1: that luggage thing we're it's the saddest luggage of everybody traveling.
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Speaker 1: It's all beat up. They've got pitiful little ribbons tied
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Speaker 1: on it so you can identify from the others everything
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Speaker 1: they have. It's like perfect. They all have matching cute luggage.
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Speaker 1: They're all smiling and happy. How the hey, Susan does
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Speaker 1: she end up in a shallow grave? And the two
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Speaker 1: little girls in that of crude oil? We are taking
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Speaker 1: your calls nine zero nine nine crime. I was in
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Speaker 1: a really really, really bad place and I got a
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Speaker 1: friend to friend requests from Chris on Facebook, and I
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Speaker 1: was like, what the heck, I'm never going to meet him?
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Speaker 1: Except well, one thing led to another and eight years later,
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Speaker 1: we have two kids. We live in Colorado, and he's
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Speaker 1: the best thing that has ever happened to me. And
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Speaker 1: because of my health challenges, because I so sick, I
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Speaker 1: let him in and he only knew me at that time.
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Speaker 1: He knew me at my worst. You guys know my
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Speaker 1: story with Chris. You know I gave him an out.
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Speaker 1: I mean he went to my colonoscopy. I tortured him,
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Speaker 1: I rejected him. I I pushed him away time and
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Speaker 1: time and time again. But when I canceled dates last minute,
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Speaker 1: because that's how life is with my health challenges, you
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Speaker 1: cancel things last minute, and it's hard for people to
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Speaker 1: get it's hard for me to understand. But he stuck around,
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Speaker 1: and he stuck around because he was the one for me.
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Speaker 1: And he is amazing and I can't tell you how
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Speaker 1: wonderful he is. You are hearing the voice of Shannan Watts,
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Speaker 1: and she's talking about her husband, Christopher Watts. They married,
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Speaker 1: they had two children, an unborn baby boy they were
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Speaker 1: planning to name Nika. At the time. She is murdered.
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Speaker 1: Found buried in a shallow grave not too far away
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Speaker 1: from her two little girls, Bella and Celeste, whose bodies
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Speaker 1: were submerged in crude oil. That why why listen to
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Speaker 1: Christopher Watts immediately when his wife goes missing, Bella, Celeste,
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Speaker 1: if you're out there, just just come back, Like if
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Speaker 1: somebody has her, just please bring her back. I need
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Speaker 1: to see everybody. I need to see everybody again. This
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Speaker 1: house is not complete with without anybody here. Please bring
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Speaker 1: it back. I mean, it wasn't like her not to
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Speaker 1: answer a phone call, her attacks, and when her friend
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Speaker 1: Nicole showed up at the door, I was like, all right,
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Speaker 1: something that sums up and uh. I came home and
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Speaker 1: it was like I walked into a ghost town. Like everything.
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Speaker 1: She wasn't here, kids weren't here. It was like it
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Speaker 1: was just they were here and then they were gone,
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Speaker 1: like Shenan, Bell and selves. If you're out there, please
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Speaker 1: let's come home. You're hearing Christopher Watts the first day
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Speaker 1: that his wife and children both are missing, to Ellen
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Speaker 1: co Lauren Crime online dot Com investigative reporter, Ellen, it's
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Speaker 1: my understanding that Shenan had been out of town on
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Speaker 1: a work trip and got in around one or two
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Speaker 1: a m. Is that right, That's right. She had been
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Speaker 1: away on business for a few days. Yet again, Um,
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Speaker 1: right before she went missing, she had gotten home late
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Speaker 1: because of a delayed flight. Um. Chris Watts was supposed
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Speaker 1: to leave for work at about five or five thirty
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Speaker 1: in the morning, and he later said that he and
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Speaker 1: his wife had an emotional conversation in those few hours. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: And when he was asked about that to Ashley Rollcott,
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Speaker 1: he did not explain what he was saying. He just
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Speaker 1: said they had an emotional, emotional conversation. So she's getting
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Speaker 1: home around one or two am. Uh must have taken
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Speaker 1: a red eye and connecting to try to get into Denver,
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Speaker 1: anywhere in Colorado, no telling how late you'll be. He
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Speaker 1: leaves at five o'clock a m. According to him, Uh,
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Speaker 1: to go to work with the oil business and a
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Speaker 1: dark coat. Ashley. He obviously had been alone with the
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Speaker 1: children the whole weekend while mommy's out of town. She's
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Speaker 1: finally making some money and bringing in some money. How
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Speaker 1: do you think he dealt with the stress of the
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Speaker 1: shoe being on the other foot and him taking care
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Speaker 1: of the children all weekend? Yeah? How many times do
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Speaker 1: we hear that when the roles reversed and that happens
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Speaker 1: and no matter how good a dad is, it is stressful.
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Speaker 1: It is something that affects their egos. It's a huge
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Speaker 1: blow to them to think, oh my gosh, she's out
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Speaker 1: earning the money and now I have to take care
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Speaker 1: of the kids. So I think it affected him greatly.
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Speaker 1: We hear it over and over and over again. However,
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Speaker 1: it does not justify anything being done to kids or worldwife.
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Speaker 1: You know, I gotta tell you no offense, Vincent and
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Speaker 1: al And when I come home from out of town,
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Speaker 1: David is so proud. He goes, well, they're alive. That
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Speaker 1: that's his badge of he's happy. They're alive. The places
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Speaker 1: are wrecked. They've eating eat nothing but innemons, many muffs
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Speaker 1: the whole time I've been gone. They might get pizza,
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Speaker 1: and they might might get Chinese. That's it. But he's right,
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Speaker 1: they're alive. Everything looks like a cyclone hit a homeworks
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Speaker 1: late the whole him, but they are alive. I can
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Speaker 1: usually knock on wood count on that. So let me understand, um,
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Speaker 1: Susan Constantine with me body language expert, Susan. I want
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Speaker 1: you to hear his words again, and this is right.
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Speaker 1: When she goes missing, listen Bella Celeust. If you're out there,
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Speaker 1: just just come back, Like if somebody has her, just
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Speaker 1: please bring her back. I need to see everybody. I
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Speaker 1: need to see everybody again. This house is not complete
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Speaker 1: with without anybody here back. It was like I walked
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Speaker 1: into a ghost town, like everything. She wasn't here, kids
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Speaker 1: weren't here. It was like there was just they were
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Speaker 1: here and then they were gone, like Shenan Bell and Selest.
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Speaker 1: If you're out there, please come home, okay. Susan Constantine,
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Speaker 1: Deception of body Language expert, author of The Complete Idiots
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Speaker 1: Guy to Reading body Language. Susan Constantine, you have gone
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Speaker 1: over and over and over every bit of his interviews,
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Speaker 1: his statements. What do you make of it. Well, the
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Speaker 1: first thing that really struck me is the lack of
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Speaker 1: emotion that he when he was talking about her daughter
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Speaker 1: and in the end the daughters and his wife missing.
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Speaker 1: You know there, you know, when somebody is really upset
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Speaker 1: about something, you're gonna see this pain and suffering in
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Speaker 1: their forehead, and you just don't see it. It's a
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Speaker 1: very flattened affect. And he often speaks about them in
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Speaker 1: past tense, so there's moments where you know that's that
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Speaker 1: Bella was was supposed to start in kindergarten. Well it
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Speaker 1: should have been Bella is supposed to start at kindergarten.
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Speaker 1: So there's many times he's given us clues and he
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Speaker 1: already views them as as dead. And then his body language,
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Speaker 1: you know, the he's holding his arms really close, he's
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Speaker 1: licking his lips um, and then there's a moment at
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Speaker 1: two ways talk about the two am. You know, he's
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Speaker 1: shuffling back and forth. There's something that happened right around
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Speaker 1: two am because there's an increase of anxiety. And that's
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Speaker 1: what I was really honing in on. Guess what, girls,
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Speaker 1: mommy has a baby in her belly. Are you guys excited? Yes,
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Speaker 1: are you really excited? Oh my goodness, don't give me
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Speaker 1: ut Oh I love you, Mela. I like that shirt
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Speaker 1: really really of all, So pink means that's just the test,
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Speaker 1: just the pink is gonna be girls, I don't know,
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Speaker 1: that's awesome. I guess guess when you want to see
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Speaker 1: what happens, you are hearing the reveal to the children
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Speaker 1: and the husband that Shannan Watts is pregnant with her
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Speaker 1: third child. Finally they're going to have a boy. We
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Speaker 1: learned that later to be named Nico. You know, the
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Speaker 1: children sound a lot happier about it than the husband does.
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Speaker 1: He just goes awesome, awesome. You know another thing I've learned,
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Speaker 1: um she had a very very difficult time, very difficult
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Speaker 1: time getting pregnant and maintaining the pregnant seat because of
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Speaker 1: her lupus. In the last hours, we learned the defense
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Speaker 1: has filed a motion regarding the autopsies of the children.
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Speaker 1: It stays the autopsies are scheduled to begin in twenty minutes.
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Speaker 1: The ward has asked counsel to not email the court.
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Speaker 1: Council has emailed the clerk so she can hopefully let
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Speaker 1: the court know about this issue quickly. I've never seen
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Speaker 1: anything stated like that in illegal heading. But the gist
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Speaker 1: of it, after reading it thoroughly, is that defense speaks
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Speaker 1: with a d n A expert that morning who advised
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Speaker 1: that the bodies of the two little girls, Bella and Celeste,
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Speaker 1: have been hidden in crude oil several days. But the
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Speaker 1: expert claims d n A would still be present, which
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Speaker 1: I also believe if it's there, it's still present. Richard
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Speaker 1: kelan Boom says that he wants evidence from the next
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Speaker 1: in E. C. K s the next of the two children.
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Speaker 1: They want swabs of the next and they want general
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Speaker 1: swabs take and from the entire body, to which I'm
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Speaker 1: sure they want to compare the next swabs. We see
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Speaker 1: where this is going if you can read between the
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Speaker 1: lines of what the defense is saying. They're saying, we've
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Speaker 1: got to have evidence of any DNA on the girl's
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Speaker 1: next as if somebody else may have strangled them. That
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Speaker 1: that tells me the cause of death is going to
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Speaker 1: be strangulation. And to the time of death it was Monday,
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Speaker 1: because they're claiming that the girls have been under the
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Speaker 1: oil for four days unless there was a delay between
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Speaker 1: the murderer and putting them into the oil. And they
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Speaker 1: claim that they believe all the evidence will be destroyed
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Speaker 1: if it's not done right now, Ellen Colaurin, this is
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Speaker 1: what's happening right now. UM. The judge has denied that
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Speaker 1: request UM for for the DNA samples UM, claiming that
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Speaker 1: it's not their position, that's not the court's position to
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Speaker 1: tell the medical examiner what DNA samples they need to
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Speaker 1: remove the way it's all playing out to cop turn
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Speaker 1: private investigator Vincent Hill joining me along with Susan Constantine,
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Speaker 1: Ashley Wolcott, and Ellen Colaurin. Vincent, my question is this.
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Speaker 1: The mom gets sent from out of town one am.
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Speaker 1: The dad says, they have a quote emotional conversation. He
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Speaker 1: leaves at five by the time she's supposed to be
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Speaker 1: uh speaking to her friends and work. The next morning
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Speaker 1: she's it's over, she's gone. So what am I supposed
22:32
Speaker 1: to believe that sometime between five am and say nine am,
22:36
Speaker 1: a mysterious killer comes in the home. There's no robbery,
22:39
Speaker 1: nothing's ransacked, and kidnaps and kills the mom and the
22:44
Speaker 1: two children. Question to you, Vincent, do you believe the
22:48
Speaker 1: children were killed over the weekend when the dad was
22:51
Speaker 1: trying to take care of them by himself. Then mommy
22:53
Speaker 1: comes home to a murder house and she gets killed too. Well,
22:56
Speaker 1: that very well could be, Nancy. I mean, he did
22:58
Speaker 1: say himself, they had an emotional discussion. It could have
23:01
Speaker 1: been that those kids were already dead at that time.
23:04
Speaker 1: We don't want to guess that. We definitely don't want
23:06
Speaker 1: to imagine that. But I mean, let's be clear here.
23:09
Speaker 1: You know, I always say things can look like heaven
23:11
Speaker 1: on the outside to people looking in, but hell on
23:13
Speaker 1: the inside. I mean, what's very telling to me, Nancy,
23:16
Speaker 1: you touched on it earlier. He goes to the family
23:19
Speaker 1: vacation for a week. She stays with her family for
23:22
Speaker 1: six weeks. Maybe there was some domestic violence going on
23:25
Speaker 1: in this house that we didn't know about, which may
23:29
Speaker 1: come out later, But you know, that's the classic sign
23:31
Speaker 1: of brainwashed batterer who just goes along with things. And
23:34
Speaker 1: we even just heard in the reveal. To me, it
23:36
Speaker 1: sounds sounded so stage like, oh, yes, we're having a baby,
23:40
Speaker 1: ay ay, And the only ones that were excited were
23:43
Speaker 1: the little girls. So I think there was so much
23:45
Speaker 1: more going on beside the bankruptcy besides her taking these
23:49
Speaker 1: trips that we just don't know about yet, Nancy. And again,
23:52
Speaker 1: those trips, as you refer to them as hell, you're correct,
23:55
Speaker 1: but those were work trips. Those were work trips. And yeah,
23:59
Speaker 1: as we say, down South, she put on the dog,
24:02
Speaker 1: which which means the dress, the outfits were perfect, The
24:06
Speaker 1: trip was perfect. What it is work trips trying to
24:10
Speaker 1: enlist other people to work for that health supplement companies
24:15
Speaker 1: like am Way. There's absolutely nothing wrong with am Way.
24:18
Speaker 1: Their products are perfect. But part of the selling is
24:21
Speaker 1: you sell not only the products, but you recruit people
24:24
Speaker 1: to work under you, and then they recruit, and then
24:27
Speaker 1: they recruit and you. It's like a pyramid. You get
24:29
Speaker 1: higher and higher and higher, and every time your subordinates
24:33
Speaker 1: your recruits recruits somebody, you get a piece of that,
24:36
Speaker 1: and then a piece of their recruits, and so forth
24:38
Speaker 1: and so on until you're bringing in quite a bit
24:41
Speaker 1: of money. So all those is you say trips were
24:44
Speaker 1: her at just say, uh Cabo or wherever, and every
24:48
Speaker 1: time she was recruiting. All right, So it looks glamorous,
24:52
Speaker 1: but it's work, these so called trips. You're saying that
24:56
Speaker 1: gender revealed party had been planned for Saturday, but everything
25:00
Speaker 1: goes sideways. Just forty eight hours before that, in Frederick,
25:05
Speaker 1: which is an upscale suburb north of Denver, this beautiful
25:11
Speaker 1: home on the outside and the inside is not a
25:13
Speaker 1: happy home with two little girls running around inside. Now
25:17
Speaker 1: it is a very somber memorial with people leaving, stuffed
25:22
Speaker 1: animals piling up outside, flowers, candles, little teddy bears. It's
25:28
Speaker 1: it's heart breaking, and it leads me to my next
25:32
Speaker 1: question to Ashley Wilcott, Judge lawyer, founder of child crime
25:37
Speaker 1: watch dot com. If they had all been killed and
25:41
Speaker 1: disposed of at the same time, why were the girls
25:45
Speaker 1: the two little girls, Bella and Celeste in submerged in oil.
25:51
Speaker 1: We've been told it was to stop the smell of
25:55
Speaker 1: the decomposing, and the mom is buried in a different spot,
26:00
Speaker 1: in a shallow grave. It leads me to think they
26:04
Speaker 1: were their bodies were disposed of at different times, Ashley,
26:07
Speaker 1: That's exactly what I thought about. It was the very
26:09
Speaker 1: first question I had is why were the two girls
26:11
Speaker 1: found in one spot it submerged in the oil, and
26:13
Speaker 1: the mother and another mommy has a baby in her belly.
26:19
Speaker 1: Are you guys excited? You're hearing the sound of Shannan
26:26
Speaker 1: Watts telling her little children Bellos list mommy is going
26:29
Speaker 1: to have a baby. The dad says, he comes home
26:32
Speaker 1: and nobody is there. Later, their bodies were found in
26:37
Speaker 1: one of the areas where daddy's company and a dark
26:41
Speaker 1: co does drilling. The two little girls, Bello and Celeste,
26:46
Speaker 1: bodies found submerged in crude oil, the mom buried in
26:50
Speaker 1: his shallow grave. He takes to the air begging for
26:55
Speaker 1: their return, while neighbors take Christopher's in when his family
27:01
Speaker 1: goes missing. Listen as they talked to our friends at
27:04
Speaker 1: nine News. They were always hugging or holding hands or kissing.
27:08
Speaker 1: Descriptions like these of christ and Shennan Watts they have.
27:11
Speaker 1: They had the perfect family are the only way Nick
27:13
Speaker 1: and Amandathay are remember the two together. They were family.
27:16
Speaker 1: They spent Thanksgivings with us in fourth of julys and
27:21
Speaker 1: all the holidays and how so it was an easy
27:24
Speaker 1: decision this week. It's unreal to offer to have Chris
27:27
Speaker 1: stay at their home in Thornton. That this kind of
27:30
Speaker 1: puts it out there while police searched for Shenan and
27:32
Speaker 1: her daughters. Had we had we had any incland nation
27:37
Speaker 1: that we we thought he was involved at all, in
27:39
Speaker 1: no way when I've let him in my house with
27:41
Speaker 1: my wife and kid stup right across the hall from there,
27:44
Speaker 1: you are hearing friends of the family, Nick and Amandathay
27:48
Speaker 1: are talking to our friend Jordan's Chevez at nine News
27:51
Speaker 1: about taking Christopher Watts and when his family quote goes missing.
27:57
Speaker 1: We now are looking back what happened. We know the
28:01
Speaker 1: couple have financial problems, bankruptcy and two thousand fifteen, and
28:05
Speaker 1: even though Shannene frequently posted on Facebook of her new
28:10
Speaker 1: lexus um through the company and frequent paid trips she
28:15
Speaker 1: got for selling health supplements, they were facing a civil
28:19
Speaker 1: suit fifteen hundred bucks from homeowners Association, but that did
28:23
Speaker 1: not stop them. They had a five bed, four bathroom
28:26
Speaker 1: home four hundred and two thousand thirteen that value soaring
28:31
Speaker 1: the mortgage payment around three thousand dollars a month. We
28:34
Speaker 1: learned according to bankruptcy records we've obtained what went wrong
28:39
Speaker 1: in this happy home. To hear her tell it, you
28:42
Speaker 1: never know anything was wrong. Listen, We're not promised tomorrow.
28:47
Speaker 1: You know, We're not promised anything but to be able
28:51
Speaker 1: to enjoy our children and um every crazy moments, it
28:58
Speaker 1: can be super crazy. I'm not gonna lie. My kids
29:01
Speaker 1: are are crazy. But I love them and I love
29:05
Speaker 1: the fact that I can be there for them a
29:07
Speaker 1: lot of you know, my part of my story, UM,
29:11
Speaker 1: my health challenges, UM, ad relationships, UM things that could
29:16
Speaker 1: have knocked somebody down completely hardcore. UM. But the thing
29:21
Speaker 1: is is I believe that everything in life happens for
29:24
Speaker 1: a reason, and I also believe people are placed in
29:26
Speaker 1: our life for a reason. You are hearing Shenan what
29:30
Speaker 1: speaking before her death to Susan Constantine, Deception of body
29:34
Speaker 1: language expert, author of The Complete Idiot's Guide to Reading
29:37
Speaker 1: Body Language. What do you make of hearing and analyzing
29:41
Speaker 1: Nan herself? You know, I when listening to this, and
29:43
Speaker 1: what comes to my mind. She is just really a
29:46
Speaker 1: hopeless optimist. I mean, she really looks at life through
29:49
Speaker 1: rose colored glasses, and I think that she's very naive.
29:52
Speaker 1: So when she's looking at the whole big picture, she's
29:55
Speaker 1: not really seeing the real truth there. She's kind of
29:57
Speaker 1: living in this fantasy world of her truth. These crimes
30:01
Speaker 1: occurred in Colorado, and right now, Christopher Watts, the husband,
30:07
Speaker 1: do you in court in the next hours? Will prosecutors
30:12
Speaker 1: pursue the death penalty against him? Now? Colorado is one
30:16
Speaker 1: of twelve states in our Union that do not provide
30:22
Speaker 1: for the death penalty of an unborn child. This has
30:25
Speaker 1: nothing to do with a woman's decision to have an abortion.
30:30
Speaker 1: Whether you like it or you don't like it, that's
30:32
Speaker 1: not the issue here. The issue here is when someone
30:35
Speaker 1: intentionally murders the mother and kills the child that is
30:42
Speaker 1: viable after twelve weeks, a baby is considered viable, in
30:46
Speaker 1: other words, can live outside the mother's womb. Now is
30:52
Speaker 1: that true? Practically speaking? Not always, But after a certain
30:56
Speaker 1: point the court determines, for legal reasons, is the baby
31:00
Speaker 1: viable to the point it's considered an individual, a human,
31:06
Speaker 1: and if murdered, can be considered a part of a
31:10
Speaker 1: homicide investigation and charge. Here Colorado, one of just twelve
31:16
Speaker 1: does not provide for a baby's murder being a homicide,
31:22
Speaker 1: So currently he is charged with three homicide in three
31:27
Speaker 1: tampering with body charges. Colorado is very shy about the
31:33
Speaker 1: death penalty. They, to my recollection, have only put one
31:39
Speaker 1: person to death after the death penalty was reinstated back
31:43
Speaker 1: in about nine seven. But if you're gonna have the
31:47
Speaker 1: death penalty, which is a whole another can of worms,
31:50
Speaker 1: this is the perfect case for it, Ashley Wilcott. Oh
31:53
Speaker 1: my god, it is the perfect case for it, Nancy,
31:55
Speaker 1: And so I am very glad to hear, quite frankly,
31:58
Speaker 1: that they are even consider to ring it and looking
32:01
Speaker 1: at it, because that is the report, is that the
32:03
Speaker 1: state is considering the death penalty in this case. I'm
32:06
Speaker 1: telling you to strangle the two little girls, Bella and
32:10
Speaker 1: Celeste ages three and four lay and wait for mommy
32:13
Speaker 1: to come home. They did have an emotional argument where
32:15
Speaker 1: the children is probably what that argument was, and then
32:19
Speaker 1: she's found dead in a shallow grave. And right now
32:22
Speaker 1: the defense filing motions to have the children's next tested
32:28
Speaker 1: for a d N A. What does that mean to
32:31
Speaker 1: Ellen clare and Crime online dot Com? What do you know, Well,
32:35
Speaker 1: the attorneys asking for DNA around the children's next certainly
32:39
Speaker 1: indicates that there's a belief here that the that the
32:42
Speaker 1: children were strangled. And as you said, there are a
32:45
Speaker 1: lot of questions about why the why the mother's body
32:49
Speaker 1: was found in a different place than where the where
32:51
Speaker 1: the little girls were, and why she was in a
32:53
Speaker 1: shallow grave, and why the girls were bodies were much
32:56
Speaker 1: much more concealed. But I mean, the trail he leads
32:59
Speaker 1: leaves points straight to him, the so called killer dad,
33:03
Speaker 1: who we think strangled his two little girls they just
33:06
Speaker 1: three and four dead, and his pregnant wife as well,
33:10
Speaker 1: is asking the judge for more DNA tests on the
33:13
Speaker 1: girls so he can use who many people have claimed
33:17
Speaker 1: a discredited DNA expert. You know, that's certainly a matter
33:21
Speaker 1: of opinion. Others would argue he's not discredited the expert
33:24
Speaker 1: who worked on the job in a Ramsey trial. So
33:28
Speaker 1: we're learning more and more and more. We know that
33:31
Speaker 1: this Colorado mom had struggled desperately to get pregnant again
33:37
Speaker 1: because she suffered from lupus, which makes unlikelihood to get pregnant.
33:44
Speaker 1: Lupus and autoimmune disease. She struggled and struggled to have
33:49
Speaker 1: that child. They wanted a boy. They already had two girls,
33:53
Speaker 1: and that was happening. That was not to be. To
33:57
Speaker 1: Vincent Hill, private investigator, how will they determine or can
34:02
Speaker 1: they determine which victim was murdered first. Yeah, Nancy, I
34:06
Speaker 1: think that will be pretty easy to determine based on
34:08
Speaker 1: the composition of the bodies at the time. I unfortunately
34:12
Speaker 1: think that little girls were killed first and that's why
34:15
Speaker 1: they were uh buried somewhere else other than the mother.
34:19
Speaker 1: But I think it would be pretty easy to determine
34:21
Speaker 1: who actually died first, and then investigators can get that
34:25
Speaker 1: timeline to you, Susan Constantine. At the very beginning, many
34:30
Speaker 1: people believed the dad why I would say, split fifty fifty,
34:35
Speaker 1: while others thought that his begging for their safe return
34:39
Speaker 1: was shallow. Well all of that, what effect well that
34:43
Speaker 1: begging have on a jury because you know it's going
34:46
Speaker 1: to be replayed over and over. Well, you know, people
34:49
Speaker 1: in general, just the research says that people are about
34:51
Speaker 1: at best in detecting deception in people, So that doesn't
34:55
Speaker 1: surprise me. So there are going to be those that
34:58
Speaker 1: are very kind aesthetic that are gonna listen to what
35:01
Speaker 1: he's saying and watch those videos and going gosh, she
35:03
Speaker 1: seems like a really great guy. He seems very likable
35:06
Speaker 1: and approachable. And then there's other ones gonna call you know,
35:09
Speaker 1: bs on it. So you know it's going to be
35:12
Speaker 1: an equal split just depends on who's gonna end up
35:14
Speaker 1: being on that jury. As a matter of fact, if
35:16
Speaker 1: you want to see and hear the entire statement given
35:20
Speaker 1: by the husband, Christopher Watts, go to crime online dot com.
35:25
Speaker 1: A beautiful young mom's body has been found fifteen weeks pregnant.
35:29
Speaker 1: Her two little girls, Celeste in Bella, ages three and four,
35:33
Speaker 1: found nearby, their body submerged in crude oil. I mean,
35:39
Speaker 1: se grace, this is crime Stories. Thank you for being
35:42
Speaker 1: with us. He came home from the airport two am
35:44
Speaker 1: and I left around five fifteen, she's still here. And
35:49
Speaker 1: like about twelve ten in that afternoon, her friend the
35:52
Speaker 1: Cole showed up at the door. Like I had texted
35:55
Speaker 1: at two times that day, called her say you know,
35:57
Speaker 1: but she never got back to me. But she wasn't
35:59
Speaker 1: get back to any her people as well, And that's
36:01
Speaker 1: what really concerned a lot of people's like she's not
36:04
Speaker 1: getting back to her Like she doesn't get back to me,
36:05
Speaker 1: that's fine, Like she gets busy during the day, like
36:07
Speaker 1: she get back through a people, which was very concerning.
36:09
Speaker 1: And Nicole called me when she was at the door
36:11
Speaker 1: and that's when it came home and then walked in
36:14
Speaker 1: the house and nothing has vanished. Nothing was here. I mean,
36:19
Speaker 1: she wasn't She wasn't here, the kids weren't here, No
36:21
Speaker 1: nobody was here. What's your wife say? S J and
36:24
Speaker 1: and and bell and Celeste celest uh c E L
36:31
Speaker 1: E s D four bells four, Celestes three and so
36:39
Speaker 1: how many times you try calling her? I called her
36:41
Speaker 1: three times, texted her about three times just to say
36:44
Speaker 1: you know, what's going on? Like I did. I could
36:47
Speaker 1: after that for the after I called her and text
36:49
Speaker 1: her once, it's like all right, maybe she was just busy,
36:52
Speaker 1: like she had just gotten back, you know, like everybody's
36:54
Speaker 1: probably calling her from her trip. She just got back
36:55
Speaker 1: from Arizona, and I figured just she was just busy.
37:00
Speaker 1: But when her friends showed up, that's what it was like,
37:03
Speaker 1: it registered like, all right, this isn't right. I think
37:07
Speaker 1: she just took off. Do you think? I mean right now?
37:10
Speaker 1: I don't even want to just like throw anything out there,
37:12
Speaker 1: like I hope that she's somewhere safe right now and
37:16
Speaker 1: with the kids. But I mean, could she event because
37:20
Speaker 1: she had just taken off, I don't know. But if
37:22
Speaker 1: somebody has her and they're not safe, like I want
37:25
Speaker 1: them back now like that, that that's what in my head,
37:28
Speaker 1: Like if they're safe right now, they're going to come back.
37:31
Speaker 1: But if they're not safe right now, that's what that's
37:33
Speaker 1: the not knowing part, Like if they're not safe. Last
37:36
Speaker 1: night I was had every light in the house on.
37:39
Speaker 1: I was hoping that I would just get just ran
37:41
Speaker 1: over by the kids running in the door and just
37:43
Speaker 1: like barrel rushing me. But it didn't happen, and it
37:46
Speaker 1: was just a traumatic night trying to be here. A
37:49
Speaker 1: traumatic night. Uh, they're not rushing in Christopher Watts. They've
37:54
Speaker 1: been soaking in crude oil for several days now, their
38:00
Speaker 1: mother buried in close proximity in a shallow grave. Yeah,
38:03
Speaker 1: they're not coming home. You might as well cut those
38:06
Speaker 1: lights off and save the electricity because you're gonna stay
38:10
Speaker 1: in jail. The way I see it, you were just
38:13
Speaker 1: listening to husband, Christopher Watts, the father of the three children,
38:17
Speaker 1: the husband of Shenan Watts. This is what we know.
38:20
Speaker 1: Prosecutors now revealing the homicides of moms Shenan Watts, fifteen
38:25
Speaker 1: weeks pregnant and her two little girls, Bella and Celeste,
38:28
Speaker 1: ages three and four, did occur in the family home.
38:32
Speaker 1: How do they know? That? Is their evidence? Suggesting that
38:35
Speaker 1: the husband, Christopher Watts, the hero dad you hear the
38:39
Speaker 1: little girl singing about, appeared in court for the first time.
38:44
Speaker 1: He has to be formally charged in the next hours.
38:48
Speaker 1: Under our jurisprudence, Ashley Willcott, the law is that within
38:53
Speaker 1: seventy two hours of an arrest, you must be brought
38:56
Speaker 1: to court and read your charges. Now those charges and
39:00
Speaker 1: be upgraded, changed, modified, But you have a court hearing
39:04
Speaker 1: within seventy two hours after being arrested. Is that correct? Ashley,
39:09
Speaker 1: that is correct, and so they come in and they
39:11
Speaker 1: can then say that they're guilty or not, but that
39:14
Speaker 1: is required under the law period. Once arrested, was held
39:18
Speaker 1: in the World County Jail on three charges first degree
39:22
Speaker 1: murder three charges of tampering with physical evidence in the
39:26
Speaker 1: murders of thirty four year old wife Shenan and daughters
39:30
Speaker 1: Bella and Celeste, also known as c C. He will
39:35
Speaker 1: not be charged for the death of the unborn child,
39:39
Speaker 1: baby boy Nico. You know Vincent Hill, private investigator, former cop.
39:46
Speaker 1: Everything he says in these statements can be verified or disproved.
39:51
Speaker 1: So when he's saying, oh, I called her, and I
39:52
Speaker 1: called her, and I called her in I Texa and
39:54
Speaker 1: Texa and Texas. We we'll be able to figure that
39:57
Speaker 1: out by looking at the records. And if he's lying,
40:00
Speaker 1: you clearly see the beginnings of a cover up. Yeah, Nancy,
40:04
Speaker 1: I don't think he's lying, because I think he did
40:06
Speaker 1: those things because he wanted to be able to say, well,
40:08
Speaker 1: why would I do that? As if I knew she
40:09
Speaker 1: was dead? But I think his statement is very telling
40:11
Speaker 1: simply because he says, well, she didn't get back to me.
40:13
Speaker 1: I assumed she was busy, but when she didn't get
40:15
Speaker 1: back to her people, something was wrong. Wouldn't her people
40:18
Speaker 1: know she was busy? And the fact that the friend
40:20
Speaker 1: went to the house, not assuming she was busy, but
40:22
Speaker 1: she went to the house that afternoon, that tells me
40:25
Speaker 1: the friend likely knew what was really going on in
40:28
Speaker 1: that home and she knew something was wrong with her friend. Well,
40:31
Speaker 1: we also know that the friend is the one that
40:35
Speaker 1: reports her missing, not the husband. I don't like that
40:38
Speaker 1: because you think the husband would know it has been
40:41
Speaker 1: reported that reported needs to be confirmed. The family already
40:48
Speaker 1: had tens of thousands of dollars of credit card debt,
40:53
Speaker 1: this after declaring bankruptcy in two thousand fifteen, and that
40:58
Speaker 1: Mrs Watts Shenan Watts, suspected her husband was cheating. Well,
41:04
Speaker 1: won't that just be the icing on the cake? Ellen
41:09
Speaker 1: Colora and Crime online dot Com investigative reporter, what can
41:13
Speaker 1: you tell me? Was this guy cheating on his pregnant wife?
41:16
Speaker 1: All we know is that she did tell a friend
41:19
Speaker 1: that she had some concerns about possible infidelity, and we
41:23
Speaker 1: also know that they were spending a lot of time
41:25
Speaker 1: apart between all of her work travel and the fact
41:28
Speaker 1: that he left a family vacation five weeks early suggests
41:32
Speaker 1: that there were may be spending more time apart than together,
41:35
Speaker 1: and he possibly had opportunities opportunities. Ellen. You know what, Ellen,
41:42
Speaker 1: let me tell you something. You call it an opportunity
41:45
Speaker 1: to cheat. Every time I go outside and go jogging,
41:49
Speaker 1: there's an opportunity to cheat. Somebody out there will have
41:55
Speaker 1: sex with you that could be completely undesirable. Person could
42:00
Speaker 1: ruin your life, ruin your family. How does every other
42:03
Speaker 1: weekend sound everybody about seeing your children? It sounds like
42:07
Speaker 1: hell to me. Pick them up on Thursday, bring him
42:10
Speaker 1: back on Sunday. Uh, that's not gonna be me. Not
42:14
Speaker 1: happening opportunity, Ellen, that's certainly putting perfume on the big
42:17
Speaker 1: I mean, when you go out anywhere to work, to
42:20
Speaker 1: the gas stage, to the grocery store, you can phos.
42:23
Speaker 1: Always somebody that will cheat with you. Yeah, there's always
42:27
Speaker 1: somebody to ruin your life, Ashley Willcott, you do a
42:32
Speaker 1: family law all the time. An opportunity to cheat? No,
42:36
Speaker 1: you have to say, I will cheat. I will risk
42:41
Speaker 1: my children and my husband and my life as I
42:46
Speaker 1: know it now to cheat for a throwdown. No, No,
42:51
Speaker 1: that's a decision you make. It's not like you're applying
42:54
Speaker 1: for a job and you have a job opportunity. You
42:56
Speaker 1: can get that in the meat section at the grocery
42:58
Speaker 1: store for Pete, say Ashley, Yeah. I think that's what
43:01
Speaker 1: people forget is it is a conscious decision, a deliberate,
43:04
Speaker 1: intentional action to say, I'm gonna choose to cheat on
43:07
Speaker 1: my spouse despite the fact I have a spouse to children,
43:09
Speaker 1: a family. It is absolutely a conscious choice. Susan Constantine,
43:13
Speaker 1: you have carefully studied every word this guy has uttered.
43:17
Speaker 1: What more can you tell me? Well, what I can
43:19
Speaker 1: tell you is that when he talks long enough, he
43:22
Speaker 1: eventually hangs himself. That he is leaving out and omitting
43:26
Speaker 1: very important information and this is going to come back
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Speaker 1: to haunt him in trial. Susan, what do you mean
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Speaker 1: what information? Well, he's when he's talking about these little
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Speaker 1: time stamps, he's leaving out additional information. He's actually setting
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Speaker 1: up specific timelines to us as the viewers or listeners,
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Speaker 1: because he's actually mapped out what has happened in his
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Speaker 1: own mind, and that's what he's trying to convey. So
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Speaker 1: around those areas are very specific areas to walk around
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Speaker 1: and probe because there's other missing information. He's not revealed
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Speaker 1: much of what I'm learning at this hour, I'm learning
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Speaker 1: from the defense's own motions. Emotion just filed by Watts's lawyer,
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Speaker 1: James Merson asked a DNA swas be taken from the
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Speaker 1: two little girls. Next, quoting an expert who believes the
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Speaker 1: oil would not get rid of the DNA and says
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Speaker 1: samples can be obtained quote after strangulation. Now. Also, it
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Speaker 1: has just been announced that the World County Corners Office
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Speaker 1: performed the autopsies and confirmed the bodies of Shannon Bella
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Speaker 1: and Celeste. Police not releasing any information about how they died.
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Speaker 1: More testing is planned. But this DNA expert, name Richard
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Speaker 1: eikeland Boom is he's the guy that's testified and a
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Speaker 1: lot of high profile trials. He often testifies regarding touch
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Speaker 1: DNA when very small samples of genetic material have been
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Speaker 1: left behind aimed. Now, after Shenan and the daughters are
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Speaker 1: reported missing, Watts tells reporters how much he misses them,
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Speaker 1: and he wants to tell the girls to eat their supper,
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Speaker 1: or he wants to look at them as they curl
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Speaker 1: up to watch cartoons on TV. We know this Watts
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Speaker 1: as an oil and gas worker, and authorities belief he
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Speaker 1: dumped his wife and daughter's bodies on his employer and
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Speaker 1: a Darko's own property. That's where the bodies were found.
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Speaker 1: He was fired the same day he was arrested. We
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Speaker 1: know that as well, regarding their money problems, Watts had
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Speaker 1: gotten this job about six months earlier as an operator
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Speaker 1: for Anna Darko. We believe he was making around sixty dollars.
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Speaker 1: Nan was working at a call center to children's hospital,
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Speaker 1: making hourly wage eighteen dollars an hour, but then she
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Speaker 1: gets his job with a health supplement. We also know
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Speaker 1: that us they had tens of thousands of dollars of
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Speaker 1: credit card debt, student loans, medical bills about seventy thousand
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Speaker 1: dollars on top of their mortgage. We also learned the
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Speaker 1: defense is asking for the hands and fingernails of the
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Speaker 1: girls and the mother to be tested the hands and
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Speaker 1: the fingernails, which gives us an indication of where the
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Speaker 1: defense is going. That someone else killed the three and
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Speaker 1: they struggled and fought. Nancy Grace signing off goodbye friend,