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Understanding The Buckeye Passing Game, Part 2 · Buckeyes TomOrrow Morning

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  Welcome to Buckeyes Tomorrow morning for Tuesday, July sixteenth. I'm your host,
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  Tom Moore. The Akron game in forty six days, the gaming gets Michine
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  in one hundred and thirty seven days. All right, Today we are featuring
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  part two in our conversation with Justin Whitlatch, one of our ex's Nosguruz at
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  Buckeye Huddle dot com. Case you missed yesterday's episode, go ahead and go
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  back and listen to that. Talked about some of the things that he learned
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  some schematic study of Ohio State and some statistical study of Will Howard and what
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  Will Howard has done in the past and what Ohio State has done in the
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  past what he learned from that. Today we're gonna be taking more of a
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  deep dive on some of the passing concepts that Ohio State is going to be
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  using this fall. And if you were listening to this on your podcast abb
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  of choice, I will suggest you can go ahead and listen to it.
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  You might also want to check it out on our YouTube channel YouTube dot com
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  slash Buckeye Huddle, where you can find all of these podcasts. If you
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  want to see our smiling faces you can do that there, but much more
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  important than that, and episodes like this we're doing x's no sometimes you're putting
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  up graphics of the plays and you can actually see the kind of plays that
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  Justin is talking about. Might help make it make more sense. So if
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  you want to do that, you can check that out at YouTube dot com
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  flash Bucket Huddle. But now on with the rest of the Today's Show.
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  We have a list of quick game and RPO concepts that we're going to be
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  putting on the screen there, and they all they all have real fun different
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  names, and you know, Lion and Tiger and Puma and Cougar and panther
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  and so there's real subtle differences to these plays. You know, some of
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  them some of them look very similar. So you know the difference between Lion
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  and Tiger, for example, they look they look very similar, but obviously
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  they're different plays. So what are some of the fine differences And we don't
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  need to go like play by play by play on this, but you know,
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  what are the types of things that you're just sort of tweaking and adjusting
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  between some of these different plays. So a lot of these it's all dependent
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  on coverage. So if you're thinking lion, which is top left hand corner
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  there, you're a lot of teams are po wives will run line. If
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  you're playing pressman cover one where you've got to get a clean you got get
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  off that release. If that makes sense, that's technically a man beater.
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  That's a mid low red zone RPO that a lot of teams run. So
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  you're thinking inside the fifteen, I've got a run concept called if I've got
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  a terrible look in the box, I've got lion attached backside where if I
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  can get I don't know, Mecca Jeremiah Smith, if I can get him
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  one on one and I feel comfortable throwing that, I have the opportunity to
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  rip that out there, if that makes sense. And I alluded to the
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  slant flat combo which some people will refer to dragons, that's usually a zone
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  coverage beater r PO. You're trying to when you're running an RPO, you're
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  trying to mess with somebody that has to run a run responsibility and a pass
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  responsibility. They're trying to mess with run fit for them. So when you're
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  running like a concept like that, it's a zone coverage beater. If that
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  makes so, and that's why a lot of these are listed and they look
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  fairly similar, but they're different. It all depends on coverage. I know
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  once one Ohistly goes to play Oregon, their offensive coordinator, he is very
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  heavily involved in doing the same thing. They're going to run any type of
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  r p O that's a coverage beater on the back side of all runs.
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  I'll be interested to see how they play that. But like that's becoming the
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  norm now is we gotta run. We got a run called, but what's
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  the coverage. What's the coverage gonna be, and what RPO can defeat that
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  coverage. So it used to be like, hey, we're gonna read a
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  defender. If he plays this, we're gonna throw behind him. If he's
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  gonna play the run, if he's gonna play the past, we're gonna hand
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  the run. But now people are running coverage beaters r pos, if that
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  makes sense. So that's kind of what you see here is like, for
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  example, like Puma, you see as a two wide receiver side you can
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  actually hear in the huddle in the spring game they calls this in the huddle.
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  I think I can't remember the quarterback at the time, but they run
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  it inside a low red zone, so that's almost a third level read there.
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  You're trying to read a safety who's gonna fit the run, and you're
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  throwing it behind him. If he's gonna fit the run, that's a third
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  level read. That's usually a one high post side post, one high post
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  safety look. So you're thinking cover three, cover one, beatter if he's
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  gonna play the run with thrown it right behind his ear. So it all
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  dependent on coverage. Really, if we're looking at anything like usually if you
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  see like the t swing there the Bengal those are like what people call like
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  box number RPOs or just number r pos. So like if I have the
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  numbers out of receiver, if it's if I have two receivers out to my
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  right, we've got let's say just a corner, but we have a safety
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  at fifteen yards to us, that's a win. We're gonna throw that RPO
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  out because we have the numbers. The safety is too much depth for them
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  to make the play. We should have the numbers and leverage to throw the
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  ball out there. So it's all dependent. I know that's a it's a
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  long extended answer. But just think a lot of these are coverage beaters.
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  And then if you see like a quick screen, if you see people called
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  smoke screen t T swing, that's do I have the numbers out there to
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  throw it? If that makes sense? Yeah, definitely. Now I know
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  the r PO. This is one of these things you hear on broadcasts all
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  the time. If if if you run it correctly, it can't be stopped.
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  You're constantly putting guys in a no win position. Now, offenses do
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  get stopped, and offenses are getting stopped on RPOs, even with lineman five
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  yards downfield not getting called. You know, I've listened to enough defensive coaches
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  complained about that over the years that I know that that's a little bit of
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  a sticking point, the uncalled illegal man downfield penalties. So, you know,
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  are these plays that if you run them correctly, they can't be stopped
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  and it's just guys making the wrong reads or you know, are there you
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  know, is there stuff that defenses can do that can take away you know,
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  take take these things away and and make it so it's not a you
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  know, win win situation. Yeah, and that's a really good question.
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  That's a question I actually listen to Dan Lanning answer recently, if so,
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  you've your offensive creative runs, all these different coverage RPO beaters, like,
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  how how are you going to prepare for that? How would you prepare for
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  that? If you're the DC And he obviously gave a huge answer, But
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  a lot of defenses will just will like Banjo, the switch responsibilities like the
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  then nickel. Let's say we've got a knock one in a corner. The
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  nickel will take the inside, the corner will take the first outside. So
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  it's almost like thinking zone coverage and basketball two three zone. Someone comes into
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  my zone, I'm taking them. So if number two is going in,
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  so the nickel would have the two going in. If one going out,
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  then the corner would have one going out. So playing different types of switch
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  releases for the defense I think would be would be pretty big. But it's
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  hard to stop, especially if you have guys that are really good of being
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  able to get off press. They're able to get off these certain looks.
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  I mean, when it comes down to it, if you're going to banjo
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  those type of receivers, you still have to win. You still have to
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  win the one on one when that receiver gets there, So it's all talent
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  dependent. There is calls to negate, some of this stuff still got to
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  win. So I think that's huge and that's why I want All High State
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  to go more into this direction because they have those guys that can win consistently
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  on the outside. Well. If the next player we're to talk about is
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  called Spread. And when I pulled it up, I thought, oh,
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  I have run this in NCAA football for twenty years, and you know,
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  the first thing my eyes go to is, hey see the guy running the
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  nine route on the left side of the field. That's my first read,
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  at least when I have a controller in my hand. I don't know how
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  you know the progression is going to go for Ohio State when they're running this
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  this this fall, but run everyone through Spread. Yeah, So I do
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  want to talk about, like scheme wise, what I think what they're going
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  to throw at Will Howard. So this is usually day one install for them,
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  and if you look at the spring game. In the spring game,
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  they're going to just throw their base stuff. They want to see if their
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  quarterback can handle their base of the base. But spread is is if people
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  think it in the air raid world as white Cross so spread is white cross.
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  On O High States terms, this is a you're so you're running a
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  flood to the weak side of formation. So let's say I've got trips right
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  and we've got a receiver one receiver on my left. We're going to be
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  running white cross into the boundary into the weak side. So it's a weak
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  side flood. This is one of their concept that they use consistently every year.
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  Every quarterback they've had, they've run it consistently, and I think this
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  is going to be one of their staples with Will Howard the one you're thinking,
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  why cross? It's pure progression. So I talked earlier about Will Howard
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  is a really good pure progression passer. He gets to that one, two,
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  three quickly, and when he's on time, he's really good. I
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  do think one of his weaknesses is when he's not on time and when he
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  has to create, I think he's really bad. So I think Ohio State
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  has got to do a really good job of game planning when they're going to
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  attack the protection, Like, do they have an answer for him when that
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  protection breaks down? Do they have a back that's going to be out when
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  it breaks down? But when it comes to spread. It's why cross Usually
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  teams will start with the first progression read to the vertical there and then the
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  second progression read will be kind of the overallte So the overroute is dependent is
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  is you're able to defeat technically every coverage that's thrown out you when you when
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  you run that crossing route. So in my eyes, I would love for
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  a Mecca to be this guy who's gonna be the crossing guy. So I
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  get they're a coverage. Usually you're trying to run to the sideline. You're
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  trying to run away from the defender. You've got like a too high cover
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  too. You're trying to middle hole that cover two there, and that's Will
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  Howard's got to hit in the middle of the cover two. If you've got
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  quarters. Obviously there's a couple of different things you can hit there, but
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  you're typically running the crossing route. So it's designed to beat every coverage.
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  So that's usually the second radion and then your third reade usually it's to the
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  flat there, and then the fourth three usually gets to the backside dig Usually
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  you never get there. If you do get there, it's usually when like
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  a five technique crosses My face, and I got to get up in the
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  pocket. Usually that comes to my window as I'm moving my feet into the
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  pocket. So I think that's going to be stable for them. It's easy,
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  it's pure progression. You can dress it up a thousand different ways.
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  So I think this is going to be day one install and I think this
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  is one you're going to be you'll see consistently. All right. Next up
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  is I love this name. Just we've had we had all the cats in
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  the in the RPO game gets spread, which is a great football term.
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  This one Hank, just Hank uh little king of the Hill shout out there.
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  I don't know, You're gonna run some propane. You're gonna run some
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  propane accessories. This looks like a great one for like third and six.
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  It just this just screams third and six to me, What are you?
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  What are you trying to do with Hank? So I think I've tweeted Hank
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  out from Ohio State a thousand different times for the last like the last four
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  years. This is also a day staple. This is one of his favorites.
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  You can run it on first down, you can run it on a
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  normal down, and it can also be a good third and medium call,
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  and he does. He does a really good job of dressing it up.
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  But what Hank is, what Hank really is doing, is you're trying to
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  expand you're trying to beat the coverage horizontally. So you're trying to expand all
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  those guys horizontally, and defeats don't coverage. Usually cover three beater and cover
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  three. Like let's say we're looking Let's say we're looking to the left side.
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  There we've got cover three. You've got a safety bailing, quarner bailing.
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  You're usually reading the flat defender from the curl to the flat. Easy
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  read your progression. Usually you can read curl a flat or you can teach
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  your quarterback. You've got to put eye on the flat defender. Flat defender
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  squeezes the curl, then I've got to throw the flat. He's gonna run
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  with the flat and expand with the flat. Then I've got to throw the
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  curl. The curl's got to find the window as well. So this is
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  a really good coverage beater. This is one that he runs a ton.
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  The only downfall of Hank is if you get press man or if you get
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  any press zone. Usually it's a kill. That's when you want to kill
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  and you want to get to a new call, if that makes sense.
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  But again, this is going to be a staple I think this year as
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  well. It's just how many different ways can they dress it up and how
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  many different personnel sets can they dress it up in? All right, and
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  the last one we wanted to talk about. It's just called NET. Another
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  great, just very simple name. But I look at this and I'm like,
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  oh, boy, trips and you get crossers out of the trips.
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  This just this just feels like a great way to have you know, someone
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  bump into someone else and someone ending up running wide open walk us through NET.
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  So NET it's mesh really is what it is, mesh with a post
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  attached to it. I think this will mesh and and then, like like
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  I said earlier, tags off match will be a bread and butter in my
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  mind because he throws it so well. Obviously, you want to tend to
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  your quarterback in what he does really well, and I think mesh was one
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  of his best concepts. He's able to read, he's able to peer progress
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  that read consistently, but it's typically designed to beat man coverage. So you're
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  trying to get a pick. You don't want to say pick, but it's
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  a pick a pick play to get somebody open and you're running defenders hit each
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  other. Obviously it's a man beater. Everybody knows there's a man beater.
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  What Ohio State and Day will do usually also with the tea there, the
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  run him on a wheel or release the wheel release there to try to get
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  the mic to run over top. If that makes sense of the crossers to
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  kind of match that. So message, I think mess will be one of
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  their best concepts. And I think if you can isolate, like Jeremiah Smith
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  will probably be their their deep guy this year since he's the ex receiver.
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  If you can tag him here like on Mesh concept of tagging with a post,
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  you could tell Will before the snap, pay man if you see if
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  you're saying, press man one high, let's see if we can take a
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  look at the shot for see if we have the leverage there to go.
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  If not, we're going to work on Mesh. That in his mind,
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  that's okay. I've got I know what I'm gonna see pre snap. I'm
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  going to go to my post first and then I'm going to go to my
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  Mesh second. So it's a pure progression breed. I think this is where
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  they should where they should fall. I know Chip is also he's a Chip
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  as a White Cross guy as well. That's where they learned it. But
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  I think Mesh will be I would love Mesh to be their day two install
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  and they run those two concepts and they dress it up as many times as
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  they can. But God to be able to protect it though, And that's
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  my only worry with Mesh. When you're thinking in college football two and a
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  half three seconds is how quickly the ball should come out. Mesh tends to
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  go on the longer side of that. So how they're going to protect that
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  will be interesting to see this fall because they do haven't question marks up front.
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  But I think it's a day it's a day two install for sure.
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  Well that is a just sort of maybe a little more than one. Oh
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  On look at the Ohio State passing game. There's gonna be plenty more schematic
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  talk on the huddle board presented by Jeff Ruby Steakhouse at buckeyehuddle dot com.
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  That is where Justin and Devin and Mickey and Ross are all talking about schematic
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  stuff making you a murder football fan. We said that at the end of
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  every show, seems like this is what we're talking about when we talk about
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  that, And that was quite an extended discussion, and that was just the
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  passing game. They were were probably worth. As soon as he said chip
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  Kelly's name at the end there, I thought, Oh, probably do a
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  show like this about the run game as well, because when you think Jip
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  Kelly, you think run game. So we should probably do a show on
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  the run game as well. And of course we'll probably have Devon back to
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  talk about more on the defensive side of the ball. We got offensive guys,
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  We've got defensive bot guys. We got the whole We got the whole
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  field covered at buckeyehuddle dot com, So if you want to see more schematic
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  coverage, that is a place to be. Got some big stuff, exciting
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  stuff planned x's and o's wise for this fall. Lot of exciting stuff to
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  talk about there, all on the huddle board presented by Jeff Ruby Steakhouse.
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  The only way to get there is to become a member of bucke huddle dot
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  com. This would be a great time to do it. We got big
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  ten Media Days coming up next week. Lots of coverage coming to you from
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  Indianapolis. All camp starts on August, first season starts getting in September,
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  and then where does it go from there? Well, we don't know yet,
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  but it seems like it might be an exciting year in Columbus, Ohio
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  and a great place to spend that would be with us at Buckey Huddle dot
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  com. That'll do it for today. Thank you guys all for joining us.
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  Have a great day. We'll talk to you tomorrow.