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Legally Brunette: What Happened to Jenny Lupton? · Two Ts In A Pod with Teddi Mellencamp and Tamra Judge

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  Speaker 1: Hi guys, welcome to Legally Brunette. I will be your
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  Speaker 1: host today, Emily Simpson and... Shane. All right, today we
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  Speaker 1: are going to talk about a case that we talked
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  Speaker 1: about previously, which was about a Southwest Airlines flight attendant
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  Speaker 1: who was found dead outside of one of the biggest
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  Speaker 1: resorts in Waikiki. This happened back on the morning of
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  Speaker 1: August 20th. Do you remember this conversation? It had very
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  Speaker 1: suspicious circumstances as far as her death.
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 3: Okay.
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  Speaker 4: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: She was on a layover in Honolulu, and she was
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  Speaker 1: just 50 years old. By the way, I would just
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  Speaker 1: like to reiterate how young 50 is, just for everyone
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  Speaker 1: out there. Just very young.
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  Speaker 3: I think more for yourself.
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  Speaker 1: She had spent nearly three decades as a flight attendant,
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  Speaker 1: had a teenage son back home in Oklahoma who she
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  Speaker 1: called her whole world, and only hours earlier had been
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  Speaker 1: out dancing with a friend and also was getting a
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  Speaker 1: new tattoo. Her name was Jenny Lupton. Authorities have said
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  Speaker 1: that Jenny jumped from the balcony of her 24th floor
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  Speaker 1: room at the Hilton Hawaiian Village. Her family does not
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  Speaker 1: accept that as the whole story. They've said publicly that
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  Speaker 1: they don't believe that Jenny would have harmed herself and
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  Speaker 1: that the timeline does not add up. And they've asked
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  Speaker 1: Oklahoma's attorney general to help push for a thorough investigation.
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  Speaker 1: Honolulu police say their homicide detectives are investigating and they've
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  Speaker 1: reached no conclusion about how she died. You've probably seen
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  Speaker 1: the headlines, but headlines can't tell you who Jenny truly was,
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  Speaker 1: what her life looked like in the days and weeks
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  Speaker 1: before that trip, or which questions her loved ones are
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  Speaker 1: still waiting on. Today on Legally Brunette, we have two
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  Speaker 1: of Jenny's closest friends. Their names are Angela and Jen,
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  Speaker 1: and they are going to join the podcast. They knew
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  Speaker 1: her long before her name was in the news, and
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  Speaker 1: they're here to talk about the what they've learned since
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  Speaker 1: that morning, and the parts of this story that just
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  Speaker 1: are not making it into the media coverage. This is
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  Speaker 1: an open investigation, so it's ongoing, and we'll be careful
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  Speaker 1: to separate what's confirmed from what is still unknown. But
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  Speaker 1: we are going to welcome her friends, Angela and Jen,
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  Speaker 1: onto the podcast today. Hi, Angela. Hi, Jen. How are
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  Speaker 1: you guys?
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  Speaker 4: Good. How are you?
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  Speaker 1: I'm good. Thank you so much for being on Legally Brunette.
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  Speaker 1: Just to let you know, we covered this case a
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  Speaker 1: few weeks ago because it was in the media. And
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  Speaker 1: it was interesting. And obviously we do true crime. So
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  Speaker 1: we were talking about it. And I'm excited to have
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  Speaker 1: you guys on here today. Because first of all, before
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  Speaker 1: we ever get into crime and talk about the investigation
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  Speaker 1: or facts or whatever, I think it's really important to
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  Speaker 1: talk about who Jenny was. And you guys were two
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  Speaker 1: of her closest friends. Do you want to just remind
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  Speaker 1: everyone about Jenny, who she was, what she was about?
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  Speaker 1: Just give us some details about her.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Jenny was... Gosh, we've both been friends with her
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  Speaker 2: since high school. And she was somebody that always showed up.
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  Speaker 2: No matter what it was, what you were celebrating, big
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  Speaker 2: or small, she was there. And you also always knew
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  Speaker 2: whatever you were doing, it was going to be fun.
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  Speaker 2: And she... Was an amazing mom to her son, Caleb,
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  Speaker 2: who is 15 years old. She loved being a flight
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  Speaker 2: attendant and she was always the life of the party
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  Speaker 2: and just so full of life and energy.
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  Speaker 4: All that. Answered the phone on the first ring, like
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  Speaker 4: literally someone that would always pick up.
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  Speaker 1: That's nice. How has, now I know she worked for
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  Speaker 1: Southwest for 30 years, which is really commendable. People don't
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  Speaker 1: really work for companies, the same companies for that long
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  Speaker 1: of a period of time, which is a testament to
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  Speaker 1: her work ethic and her integrity and things like that.
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  Speaker 1: How has Southwest been involved at all? Have they reached
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  Speaker 1: out to the family? Do they reach out to her son?
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  Speaker 1: What have they done?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so they were really helpful getting Jenny home. And
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  Speaker 2: were really great to the family. They celebrated her from
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  Speaker 2: the moment she left Honolulu to, you know, when the
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  Speaker 2: family arrived in Phoenix and they changed planes. And then
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  Speaker 2: there was a tarmac full of people here in Oklahoma
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  Speaker 2: City when she arrived home. They've, you know, they paid
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  Speaker 2: for several family members to go and bring her home.
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  Speaker 2: And they've checked in. And, you know, they've been good.
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  Speaker 2: They've been good to the family.
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  Speaker 4: And they've been....
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  Speaker 2: It was nice seeing so many of her colleagues that
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  Speaker 2: she had an impact on show up for her, not
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  Speaker 2: only in Oklahoma City, but some of them came to
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  Speaker 2: Phoenix as well to celebrate her when she was there.
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  Speaker 2: And then the funeral, so many, they all turned out
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  Speaker 2: in their uniforms. It was really great. So they've been
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  Speaker 2: good to the family and stayed in touch and are
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  Speaker 2: helping with what they can, but there's only so much
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  Speaker 2: they can do too.
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  Speaker 1: Right. Now, I believe the police are claiming that this
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  Speaker 1: was a suicide, even though the investigation is ongoing. I
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  Speaker 1: believe that's their initial takeaway, their initial thoughts that this
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  Speaker 1: is a suicide. Were you having conversations with her around
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  Speaker 1: this time? Do you recall her state of mind or
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  Speaker 1: anything that would indicate that she was depressed or upset
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  Speaker 1: or was having a hard time during this time period?
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  Speaker 4: None of that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, none of that. She was, you know, I mean,
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  Speaker 2: I think both Jennifer and I have seen Jenny in
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  Speaker 2: some pretty dark places over the years. You know, I mean,
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  Speaker 2: she's had, you know, trials and tribulations like we all have,
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  Speaker 2: but this was not one of those times. She was
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  Speaker 2: doing great. Caleb was doing great. You know, work was
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  Speaker 2: going well. Everything was on the up. And I just,
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  Speaker 2: you'll never get me to believe that this was self-inflicted.
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  Speaker 4: She just had so much that she was looking forward to, like,
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  Speaker 4: Caleb was playing football on the same team as her
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  Speaker 4: nephew for the first time. And high school football in
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  Speaker 4: Oklahoma is a very big deal. And she was looking
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  Speaker 4: forward to all of it. It just doesn't add up
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  Speaker 4: at all.
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  Speaker 3: You had mentioned that she had challenging times. Does that
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  Speaker 3: mean she opened up to you when times were difficult?
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  Speaker 4: She's an open book. Like she would always tell you everything.
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  Speaker 4: Even if you didn't want to know, Jenny was going
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  Speaker 4: to tell you the good, the bad, the ugly. And
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  Speaker 4: she just wasn't in that place in her life at all.
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  Speaker 3: Which makes it a little bit more concerning that it
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  Speaker 3: was self-inflicted or that's claimed to be self-inflicted if she
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  Speaker 3: was such an open book to you.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 3: So it was a surprise.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: We've learned nothing that she, you know, since she's passed
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  Speaker 2: that not, you know, a handful of us, you know,
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  Speaker 2: already knew about. I mean, she was somebody that I
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  Speaker 2: always admired it about her because she was always so
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  Speaker 2: vocal about her struggles and everything she was going through.
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  Speaker 2: She never, she always felt like everything was going to
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  Speaker 2: work out, you know, and she never let anything make
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  Speaker 2: her feel shame or, you know, she never really internalized it.
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  Speaker 2: She always, she was very good about talking it out,
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  Speaker 2: reaching out for help.
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  Speaker 1: Now, I just have to ask this. I know she
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  Speaker 1: has one child. She has a 15 year old son.
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  Speaker 1: I have two sons and I'm extremely close with them
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  Speaker 1: and I feel like they're the light of my life.
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  Speaker 1: So I can't fathom that someone, even let's say hypothetically,
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  Speaker 1: she did decide to take her life for some reason
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  Speaker 1: that night. Don't you feel as if there would have
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  Speaker 1: been some type of reach out to her son, some
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  Speaker 1: type of text, some type of letter, something that she
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  Speaker 1: would have communicated with him if that were the case?
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  Speaker 2: I do. I personally do. I think that, I mean, I,
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  Speaker 2: you know, I, you'll just, she would just never leave them.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, she just never would. I mean, I also
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  Speaker 2: have boys, I have twin boys and, you know, especially
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  Speaker 2: like being a single mom. I mean, you just would never,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, they're your whole world, you know, and you don't,
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  Speaker 2: you would never want to do anything to leave them,
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  Speaker 2: you know, and that's actually one of my biggest fears
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  Speaker 2: is to, you know, leave them. And, and I know
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  Speaker 2: she felt the same way. And that I really do
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  Speaker 2: feel like I mean, Jenny was always very big on
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  Speaker 2: her correspondence. I feel like if there was anything like
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  Speaker 2: that going on, you know, she would have somehow found
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  Speaker 2: a way to communicate it to somebody. But I honestly
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  Speaker 2: just don't. That would just never be the answer for her.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, the thought of her leaving a note has
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  Speaker 4: never even crossed my mind because in my mind, there's
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  Speaker 4: no way she would have done this.
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  Speaker 1: So you can't even go there. So your mind doesn't
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  Speaker 1: even go to, I can't believe she wouldn't even leave
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  Speaker 1: a note or communicate something because you're saying there's just
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  Speaker 1: no way that this was self-inflicted.
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  Speaker 2: No way.
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  Speaker 1: Not at all. Do you, either one of you, can
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  Speaker 1: you explain the layout of the hotel? I do believe
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  Speaker 1: she had stayed there numerous times. Is that somewhere where
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  Speaker 1: flight attendants stay when they're flying in and out of
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  Speaker 1: that hub? Is that? you know, where pilots and flight
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  Speaker 1: attendants go to stay. And what is the layout like
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  Speaker 1: as far as the dumpster, the way she landed? What
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  Speaker 1: is your takeaway from that?
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  Speaker 2: So the Hilton Hawaiian Village, it's, you know, basically there's
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  Speaker 2: various towers you can stay in. And I've never been there,
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  Speaker 2: but I've seen the pictures and the family described it
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  Speaker 2: to me. But she was in and, you know, and
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  Speaker 2: I always thought, of it because they call it a resort.
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  Speaker 2: I always thought of it as being like, you know,
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  Speaker 2: you go into gates and here's all these towers and you,
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  Speaker 2: you know, you're just restricted to the people that are
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  Speaker 2: staying on the resort, but that's not how it is.
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  Speaker 2: It's more of like just kind of disjointed hotels, you know,
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  Speaker 2: it almost was like separate hotels. And so the hotel,
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  Speaker 2: the tower she was staying in was the Kalia and it's,
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  Speaker 2: you know, sort of tall, narrow, with inserts on the
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  Speaker 2: side and the side where her room was on is
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  Speaker 2: where the dumpster was below. But it's almost and I
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  Speaker 2: you know, it's when you look at it in pictures,
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  Speaker 2: it is very hard to determine or understand or comprehend
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  Speaker 2: that she could have fallen in the way that they
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  Speaker 2: said she fell. Just the placement of her room. the,
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  Speaker 2: you know, just the trajectory that they're trying to say
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  Speaker 2: that it happened, or at least that they were initially
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  Speaker 2: saying it happened. And the way she would have had to,
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  Speaker 2: you know, the little tiny opening she would have had
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  Speaker 2: to have fallen through to land into a dumpster. It just,
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  Speaker 2: none of it really makes sense to me. And, you know, I, yeah, I,
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  Speaker 2: it's a very, and another thing that's very concerning too
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  Speaker 2: is you know, anybody can get up into that tower.
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  Speaker 2: You don't need a key card. I mean, you can
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  Speaker 2: get up into those floors without a key card. You,
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  Speaker 2: when you go up and the family was on her floor,
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  Speaker 2: there's no cameras. The only cameras they found were in
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  Speaker 2: the main elevator, like the main elevator bank in the lobby. So,
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  Speaker 2: you know, I don't, I don't really, I mean, to me,
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  Speaker 2: that is very concerning, you know, because it feels like
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  Speaker 2: in that area, you should probably have a little bit
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  Speaker 2: more security and cameras.
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  Speaker 1: And Yeah, so that was one of my questions I
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  Speaker 1: was going to ask you as far as the investigation
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  Speaker 1: was concerned. I was going to ask, is there surveillance
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  Speaker 1: video of her floor or the elevators on her floor?
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  Speaker 1: So you're saying that there's none of that, that the
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  Speaker 1: only place that there's surveillance video is on the lobby floor? Mm-hmm.
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  Speaker 4: Wow.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so from what the family could tell. And, you know,
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  Speaker 2: and we obviously had... you know, people on socials commenting
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  Speaker 2: and saying, you know, we've stayed there. There's no cameras
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  Speaker 2: on that floor. There's no cameras on that elevator, you know,
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  Speaker 2: in that tower. It's kind of like one of the
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  Speaker 2: older towers, you know, so it's not as updated as
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  Speaker 2: some of the others, which I think probably have a
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  Speaker 2: little bit more security. But yeah, so they, you know,
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  Speaker 2: so when the family went, they specifically, you know, went
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  Speaker 2: into that tower without, you know, they were in a
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  Speaker 2: different tower anyways, but they went there and were able
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  Speaker 2: to go up without a key card and And then
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  Speaker 2: walked along the hallway and we're videoing, you know, to
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  Speaker 2: see if they could see any cameras and they didn't
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  Speaker 2: see any at all. And then and you had mentioned
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  Speaker 2: you had asked earlier about the flight attendants. They Southwest
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  Speaker 2: usually puts them there, the Hilton Wine Village or the Alani.
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  Speaker 2: So there's a few different hotels they usually stay at
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  Speaker 2: in that area.
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  Speaker 1: What about as far as the investigation is? I'm just
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  Speaker 1: thinking because I've done so much true crime. Obviously, there's
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  Speaker 1: the forensics of her cell phone. I don't know if
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  Speaker 1: she wore an Apple watch, but you can always tell
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  Speaker 1: if someone went upstairs or went downstairs if their heart
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  Speaker 1: rate goes up or their heart rate goes down. Do
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  Speaker 1: you know anything about that as far as if she
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  Speaker 1: was communicating with anyone that night? Was she meeting someone?
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  Speaker 1: Do you know anything? Or is that hush-hush on this investigation?
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  Speaker 2: It's apparently hush hush. They still have her devices. And
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  Speaker 2: I know when the family went to Hawaii to bring
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  Speaker 2: Jenny home, they met with the detectives and the detectives
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  Speaker 2: still at that point had not gone through her phone
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  Speaker 2: or any of her devices. So they were hoping that's
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  Speaker 2: been done now, but they won't even like let the
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  Speaker 2: family know if it's been done or anything about it.
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  Speaker 2: So we're hopeful that they, because she had an iPad
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  Speaker 2: and an Apple watch and also her phone. So we're
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  Speaker 2: hopeful that there's something on there that will give them
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  Speaker 2: a clue that.
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  Speaker 1: As to who she was communicating with, if there was anyone,
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  Speaker 1: if she was meeting anyone. Obviously, we would know from
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  Speaker 1: the cell phone, but you're saying there's been nothing divulged
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  Speaker 1: as far as what's been found on her phone from
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  Speaker 1: that evening.
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  Speaker 2: Correct, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Are you a little suspicious of the hotel as far
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  Speaker 1: as not having security footage? Do you think they're trying
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  Speaker 1: to protect themselves? Or what's your thoughts on that?
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  Speaker 2: You know, I don't, it's hard to.
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  Speaker 2: To say because we've been given such little information, but
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  Speaker 2: I do know that whatever surveillance footage there was, was
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  Speaker 2: not handed over freely that had to be retrieved, that
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  Speaker 2: had to be subpoenaed by HPD to get it. And
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if that's standard, if that's typical process,
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  Speaker 2: but it did really feel like initially at least to
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  Speaker 2: the family that the Hilton wine village was kind of
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  Speaker 2: driving the narrative and the investigation. And that could have been,
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  Speaker 2: you know, one of two reasons because the day that
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  Speaker 2: they found out was also, um, Hawaii day. It's like state,
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  Speaker 2: the state day or something. So a lot of the
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  Speaker 2: offices were closed, you know, the state offices were closed. And, um,
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  Speaker 2: so they initially spoke to the head of security at
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  Speaker 2: the Hilton wine village. And so it really felt like
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  Speaker 2: that's where they got, uh, a bunch of information from
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  Speaker 2: that really, you know, gave him the impression that this
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  Speaker 2: was being considered or treated like a suicide.
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  Speaker 1: Now who found her? Who initially found her body?
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  Speaker 2: So from what we were told, it was one of,
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  Speaker 2: it was either, it was like a grounds worker. It
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  Speaker 2: was basically somebody that was working in that area. That
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  Speaker 2: dumpster that she fell into, it's not like a normal
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  Speaker 2: trash dumpster. It's for like foliage and leaves. And, you know,
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  Speaker 2: when they're doing cleanup around. And so, somebody that was
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  Speaker 2: in that area is the one that discovered her.
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  Speaker 1: You know, there's been another mysterious death on that same Island.
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  Speaker 1: So there was 51 year old Shannon Bartholomew was also
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  Speaker 1: found in a canal was found in a canal. And
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  Speaker 1: you've been in contact with her family. Do you believe
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  Speaker 1: that there's similarities between the two deaths? What has it
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  Speaker 1: been like to speak to that family?
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  Speaker 2: So it was actually Elizabeth Nolan's family that we were,
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  Speaker 2: she was another one too. There's been several.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, so there's more besides the Shannon Bartholomew. There's an
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  Speaker 1: Elizabeth Nolan. Is that what you said?
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  Speaker 2: And another named Brianna Charlie, too, that we have in
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  Speaker 2: our family. But Elizabeth Nolan, she was the most recent.
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  Speaker 2: So she died in 2025, similar situation, found in a trash,
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  Speaker 2: like a dumpster, but it was through a trash chute, basically.
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  Speaker 2: The family felt like, or at least hoped, that law
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  Speaker 2: enforcement was going to be doing their job and investigating
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  Speaker 2: this properly. but come to find out, um, there wasn't
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  Speaker 2: really much of an investigation done once they got the
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  Speaker 2: police reports and, um, had, you know, they realized that, um,
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  Speaker 2: the cause of death, the death certificate was updated or
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  Speaker 2: the autopsy report was updated by 8 AM the next
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  Speaker 2: day saying it was suicide and prior to doing any
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  Speaker 2: kind of investigative work.
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  Speaker 4: Wow.
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  Speaker 1: Um, I read here that Jenny's family did ask for
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  Speaker 1: a full autopsy and a rape kit to be done,
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  Speaker 1: but there was pushback. See, that makes no sense to me.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like that would be standard in any investigation,
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  Speaker 1: that when you find someone in a dumpster, that those
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  Speaker 1: would be standard type of investigating that you would do
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  Speaker 1: immediately to figure out if there was any foul play,
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  Speaker 1: if there had been some type of sexual activity, if
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  Speaker 1: there was a rape that occurred. But do you know
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: if those have happened or they're just pushing back on that?
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: They did do them, but it did take quite a
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: bit of asking and demanding from the family. But I
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: guess that's all. I mean, nothing, they've given us no,
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: you know, results of her autopsy at all. And said
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: the toxicology obviously takes, you know, can take like four
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: to eight weeks or something. So that, but honestly, you know,
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: we're not sure. even sure how much information we'll get
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: from that, you know, if they're keeping the rest of
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: the investigation, you know, hush hush. So I don't know.
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: So do you know, so there were, you don't know
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: if there was any results from a rape kit as well.
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: So nothing, the family doesn't have any information on that
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: as well. Angela, you've mentioned that Jenny was part of
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: Cherokee nation and Savannah's act as a bipartisan effort to
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: improve the federal response to missing or murdered indigenous persons.
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: How are you hoping this act helps your effort in
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: investigating Jenny's death properly? Have they gotten involved in this
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: investigation at all?
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: So Teresa has reached out, Jenny's sister has reached out
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: to the tribe and filed the appropriate paperwork and has
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: been talking to them. What we're hopeful is that the
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: Cherokee Nation, they're either attorney general or their investigative team
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: will then be able to you know, have some sort
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: of open communication because of this law with the Honolulu PD,
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: you know, to ensure that it's being properly handled. And,
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: you know, initially we really felt like they were treating
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: this as a suicide. And quite honestly, until our attorney
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: general called and, you know, let them know that he
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: had eyes on this as well. Our attorney general here
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: in Oklahoma called their attorney general and I don't know
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: that they were going to treat it any other way.
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: So it really took that. And we feel like that
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: if there's not more involvement and more eyes on the
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: investigation as it goes, then, you know, it could end
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: up being the same throughout.
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: Now, what do you think actually happened that night? Do
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: you think that she actually did fall from the balcony
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: and land in the dumpster? Or do you think something
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: happened to her and then she was placed into the dumpster?
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: You know, I go back and forth. I mean, I
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: feel like, you know, sometimes I look at the pictures
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: and I think, goodness, you know, it really appears to
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: me like somebody did this to her, maybe threw her
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: in from the pool deck or, you know, there's just
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: so many other areas that looks like it would be
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: easier or more logical that she would lay into that dumpster.
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: But then, you know, I go back to to the
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: fact that she was also found in the same clothes
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: that she had on the night before. I mean, you know,
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: we get back. We're back to our room for the night.
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: We're changing clothes. We're not keeping on our uncomfortable jean
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: shorts and our tight shirt. You know, I mean, like, right.
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: That's exactly when you said that. That's what I was thinking.
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: The minute I walk through the door, I'm like the
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: bras unhooked. The you know, the dress is off. The
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: heels are off.
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: Absolutely. First thing we do. And, you know, so she
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: was she had that same outfit on because she was
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: either leaving again or someone was coming to her room,
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: you know, that. And so there's so many different possibilities.
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: And one thing that they did tell the family is
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: that the furniture on the balcony was in the place
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: when they went to her room, you know, and investigated
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: furniture on the balcony was in the place where it
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: always is. It was not moved. So to me, that.
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: is an indication right there that this can be self-inflicted.
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: I mean, she was five two. How is she doing this?
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: You know, if she's not got something pushed up against
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: that railing to climb over. But, you know, they, they
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: also said that it appeared to them that her bed
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: was not slept in. So, or the words they used were,
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: was untouched. So what is she doing in there? If
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: they didn't find her until five 30 in the morning
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: and that's around the time they think it happened, she
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: wasn't just standing in her room for, Yeah.
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: You're right. That doesn't make any sense. She obviously wasn't
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: just dancing around in her room all night. You would
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: have laid down on the bed. You would have thrown
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: the pillows off at least or put the covers over you.
• 21:43
  Speaker 4: And the chances of it actually land in the dumpster,
• 21:46
  Speaker 4: whether somebody threw you or you jumped, are so small.
• 21:51
  Speaker 4: I mean, like, it's almost impossible that that would happen
• 21:55
  Speaker 4: from the 24th floor. Mm-hmm.
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: You know, I was thinking that, too, that the likelihood
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: of her going over and landing in it is crazy.
• 22:03
  Speaker 4: Virtually impossible.
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: So then do you believe that it happened somewhere else
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: and that not from her room, like she was something
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: happened to her while she was out and then she
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: was put into the dumpster?
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: In my mind, I visualize that.
• 22:19
  Speaker 4: That's why I would love to see footage of her.
• 22:23
  Speaker 4: Did she get on the elevator to go up to
• 22:25
  Speaker 4: her room ever? Did she make it to her room
• 22:28
  Speaker 4: that night at all? Did anyone use the key card
• 22:31
  Speaker 4: to go in?
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: Any of that.
• 22:34
  Speaker 4: But we don't have any of that information.
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: The hotel should have that data, right? Because we've talked
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: about several cases even on the cruise ships where they
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: know who goes in and out because you have a
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: key card that lets you in and out. They have
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: a whole... log as to the exact times that people
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: enter and exit so has that information not even been
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: given to the family as far as when her key
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: card was used to go in and.
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: Out yeah no they've given us absolutely nothing um and
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: you know and we're not sure if that's standard you
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: know or if that is um something that you know
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: we should at least be giving be given a high
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: level you know of information like it just a they
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: don't even know you know we were talking the other
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: day about What time was 911 called? You know, what
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: was that called? What was said? What time did, you know,
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: first responders arrive? What time did the medical examiner arrive?
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: And they wouldn't give them any of that either. That
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: seems like pretty basic information, you know. I don't know
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: personally how that would impede an investigation if it were told.
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: So it just feels very, you know, they did her
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: autopsy on August 25th. So. I believe that was the
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: Tuesday of the following week. And during that autopsy, they
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: gave the Honolulu PD their Jenny's code to her phone
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: because her son had it. And the family was not
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: there until, let's see, she came back to Oklahoma City
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: on the 10th. So it was the 9th when they
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: met with Honolulu PD, the detectives. And they still hadn't
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: been in her phone, but they had her passcode that
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: entire time, like To me, I don't know, I'm, you know,
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: not law enforcement, but I feel like that's one of
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: the places you start, you know, especially when somebody is
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: alone or it's an unattended death, whatever that means, you know,
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: but it just didn't give me a whole lot of
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: reassurance that this is being handled properly. Yeah.
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: So as far as her autopsy, was the final report
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: from the medical examiner, does it say officially suicide or
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: is there just no determination at this point?
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: It says pending. Pending.
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: Okay. Well, the question is, is there really an investigation
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: going on? And I don't know. My takeaway from the
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: conversation with you and the little bit that we talked
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: about before when we talked about this case previously is,
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: is this a A problem, like, because we're talking about
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: a high tourist area, we're talking about a hotel, we're
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: talking about Hawaii.
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: That was going to be my question, was just like
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: the movie Jaws, you know, they didn't want to alarm
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: anyone that Jaws was around, right? It's the Fourth of
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: July weekend. They don't want to disrupt the tourists. This
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: is a big, important thing for our island. I didn't
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: know if Hawaii kind of has the same thing. Hey,
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: we don't want to run around and say that people
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: are getting thrown off buildings or murdered or whatever, and
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: then they stop coming.
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: Right. I mean, that would be my takeaway is that
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: a lot of this information isn't given and isn't out
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: there publicly. And just because they want to downplay that
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: there's anything going on wrong in this area, they want
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: the tourists to continue to come. And if you hear
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: about a death of a young woman, a single mom.
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: Possibly repeated deaths.
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: Repeated deaths, then you're not going to want to go
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: to this destination. Correct.
• 25:53
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I've had that feeling as well, just based on
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: some of these other cases we've heard about that, you know,
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: I mean, for instance, you know, the one that I
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: mentioned a second ago, Elizabeth Nolan, you know, she, 72
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: years old, found nude in a dumpster that she would
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: have had to have crawled up into a trash chute,
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: sent herself down the trash chute to then end her
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: life in this dumpster, completely nude. So she would have
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: had to walk down the condo hallway, you know.
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: And this was ruled a suicide? Suicide.
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: And she was there. And she had just purchased a
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: very expensive Hermes dress that her daughters were telling us
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: about that she had planned to go to this birthday
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: party in a few days. And she was from Canada,
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: but she would stay in Hawaii for six months out
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: of the year. It was her favorite place. And she
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: was there with her fiance. He wasn't investigated, according to
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: her daughters. He was just his word was taken, you know,
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: and they moved along. Isn't that the first place you look?
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: I mean, isn't that very suspicious that, you know, you're
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: there with a fiance that, you know, was the last
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: person to see you alive, but he's just gets to
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: tell you the narrative and you believe it. To me,
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: it just doesn't feel.
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: Well, none of that makes sense. I don't know. I mean,
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: I don't know a lot about suicide statistics, but I
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: don't really feel like people get naked and get in
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: dumpsters when they commit suicide. No, not, I mean, no.
• 27:19
  Speaker 4: I'm like, that doesn't even seem like a sure way
• 27:21
  Speaker 4: to do it. Like, who would do that?
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: That just seems like that's a screams foul play to me.
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: And why there wasn't more of an investigation doesn't make
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: any sense at all. So it's so common that online
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: sleuths solve crimes or at least find information that others
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: may have missed. Do you guys have hope that just
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: talking about it and putting this information out there can
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: help bring light to your case and help solve this
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: alleged crime?
• 27:45
  Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely. Of course. I mean, it seems like somebody
• 27:49
  Speaker 4: would have maybe seen something, you know? I mean, Jenny
• 27:53
  Speaker 4: had a very recognizable face, like always smiling, big dimples. Like,
• 27:59
  Speaker 4: like she was a memorable person. It just seems like
• 28:03
  Speaker 4: somebody would have had to see something or hear something.
• 28:07
  Speaker 4: I mean, even if she did fall into the dumpster,
• 28:10
  Speaker 4: I'm sure it made some noise, you know? Um, So
• 28:15
  Speaker 4: just hopefully we can get just as many people like
• 28:20
  Speaker 4: thinking about it and not forgetting that this is a
• 28:23
  Speaker 4: single mom who is no longer here and was very
• 28:28
  Speaker 4: loved and just there's no way she would have done this.
• 28:31
  Speaker 4: We need to figure out what happened. Exactly.
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: Exactly.
• 28:34
  Speaker 4: All right.
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: Well, thank you guys so much for joining us today
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: and for talking about Jenny. Obviously, our listeners out there,
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: if anybody's in Hawaii or is familiar with this hotel
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: or knows anyone or has any information, we would love
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: for you guys to come forward and send me a
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: message on Instagram so that we can help get Jenny's
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: case out there and get the information that the family
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: needs in order to get to the bottom of what
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: really happened to Jenny Lupton. So thank you both for
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: being her friends and also for joining us today on
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: Legally Brunette. We really appreciate it.
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: Thank you so much for having me.
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: Thank you.
• 29:05
  Speaker 4: All right.
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: What are your thoughts on this case? To me, this
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: case just screams foul play.
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: It doesn't feel like law enforcement is going to do much.
• 29:14
  Speaker 4: I know.
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: It almost feels like there's just some good old boy
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: standard in Hawaii that it's like when there's something suspicious
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: that happens, we don't want to mess with the tourists
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: and we don't want to mess with the tourist money
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: coming in. So we can't put out there that there's
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: women getting harmed.
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: You don't want it to be there's a serial killer
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: on the loose.
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: Or there's the women being harmed.
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: Like every month there's a new murder in a hotel
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: of all places, right, where tourists get killed.
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: So.
• 29:41
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: It just seems to me when you find a woman
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: in a dumpster, that's suspicious in and of itself. Yeah.
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: I mean, even if she did jump, the chances of
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: her landing in the dumpster are.
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: And he said it was 24 stories?
• 29:58
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: And are there no witnesses? Did no one see this woman?
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: Did anyone? I mean, people are out and about all
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: times of the night. People are on their balconies. This
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: is a huge hotel. I mean, anytime we just went
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: to the Bahamas and anytime I was out on the balcony,
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: you could see lots of other people on the balcony.
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: There's people below. There's people in the pool. Even if
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: it's late night or early morning, there's always activity and
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: things going on. There's always people around. There's always maintenance
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: and workers and all the things. So I don't understand
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: how something like that, let's say, for example, for just hypothetically,
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: she did go over the balcony. And then she did
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: land in the dumpster. Can you imagine the noise that
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: would have made? I mean, she flew 24 hours.
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: And then the autopsy report should show a significant amount
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: of body damage.
• 30:40
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: And it shouldn't just be blunt force trauma to the head.
• 30:42
  Speaker 4: No.
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: It should be damage.
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: To all the limbs, the torso.
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: So what is that? What does the autopsy report look like?
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: What does the rape kit look like? Did she meet someone?
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: I bet you could go up to the 24th floor
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: and chuck a basketball off of there or a baseball
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: and still not get it in there.
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: Probably not. And why is this? So much time has
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: gone by and the family doesn't have any answers as
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: far as the medical examination. Where are the injuries? Was
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: it just to the head? Was it to the full body?
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: What is the result of a rape kid? Who was
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: she meeting that night? There's got to be video surveillance
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: from the bars that she went to. Do we know
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: who she was talking to? Did she talk to some
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: man in the bar? What about the key card going
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: in and out of the hotel?
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: None of that matters if you're trying to sweep it
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: under the rug.
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: I know, but I want to investigate this crime. I
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: want to take a legally brunette field trip. We can
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: put together an investigative team. Anyone out there interested, we
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: can take a trip to Hawaii. We're going to stay
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: in this hotel. We're going to get the key card
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: in and out entry. I'm going to follow around the
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: hotel manager until I get the information that I want.
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: We're going to look at the dumpster. We're going to
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: look at the balcony. We're going to figure it out.
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: We're going to solve this crime. Let me know. All right, guys.
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: Thank you so much for listening to Lele Brunette. If
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: you know anything about this case, you live in Hawaii,
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: you've heard about it, you've seen anything, please find me
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: on Instagram and let me know. Jenny Lupton deserves to
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: have a full thorough investigation as to what happened to
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: her her family and her son deserve that so thank
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: you guys for listening if you have any information let
• 32:09
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• 32:13
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• 32:16
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• 32:20
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• 32:23
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