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Turnbuckles & Stogies -The Return of Ish Owner of B.A.M.F Cigars · Military Broadcast Radio | MBR Talk

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  MB R Talk. Hey, thanks for supporting our
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  Radio dot. Gorilla
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  Through it can't be. This is crazy and if nobody at
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  home knows who this guy is, this is the big dog.
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  And he did get a tip from the Brooklyn prodigies earlier on
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  that they had travel issues, but not due to them being.
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  Scared or anything like that? What is up?
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  What is up? Happy Sunday, happy fun day.
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  What is going on with my peoples today?
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  It's Sunday fun day and it's also turnbuckles and stovey pie
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  day. I am the big dog that is the
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  vanilla gorilla, and we are here to start out your Sunday morning
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  after church or before church or during church, however you're
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  doing it. Follow us on all streaming
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  networks and check us out. You can go back four years.
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  So that's all I got to say. So what do you want to talk
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  about today? What do you want to talk about?
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  Let's start with some wrestling, and you know who I'm going to
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  start with? No, I don't.
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  Sammy fucking Zane. Justice for Sami Zayn.
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  He pulled it off in Mexico City, Mexico last night.
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  Yeah, 'cause then they're there Monday.
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  They're not. They're there tonight for AAA
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  for the second part of Triple Mania, and then Monday night is
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  Penta and Roman for the title. They're in Mexico.
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  Yeah, they're, they're in Mexico for the next couple days.
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  They did it Friday, so they're there tonight.
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  Tomorrow night. They'll probably get a house
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  show yesterday somewhere. I don't mind it.
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  I don't mind. Saying he's the fucking man, he
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  lost it in nine days, but he's going to.
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  Hold. Yeah.
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  If he doesn't hold on to it, he's going to lose it to Randy,
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  not right away. It that's, that's where it's
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  going to probably wind up is with Randy, because I think he's
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  going to wind up before he hangs it up.
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  I think he's in the same class for 17 as John, and that sounds
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  about right. No, he's got five years left.
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  If not more than that. Now I think Randy's getting
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  ready to pack him, and he's been doing it 30 years.
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  If not, what? He's going to go as long as his
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  body lets him go. And it ain't that far away, so.
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  But yeah, I think that was pretty dope.
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  Sammy when the belt was good. Triple Mania night one was good.
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  The main event was was good. That was Amos and Ray for Amos
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  his job and. Did he save his job?
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  Yeah, he he beat him. He beat Ray of.
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  Course. He did, but what I did like is
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  his year for Triple Mania for Ray was a tribute or a throwback
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  to his Halloween Havoc 1997 year.
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  Really, when he wrestled Eddie and Eddie basically ripped his
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  mask almost completely off. Nice.
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  He did the yeah, he had the old, like the old design.
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  I mean, he wore his his baggy pants and his his jacket like he
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  always does, but it had that same design pattern as his 1997
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  match, which pretty cool. Nice.
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  Yeah. I mean, there's I, I, I would
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  like to see Sammy and Randy. I would like to see Randy get a
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  run with the belt. I think it's going to be good if
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  he does a lot of interesting matches.
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  I think, I think before Sammy loses the belt, you're going to
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  get a Sammy and KO match somehow.
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  Not sure how, I don't know. I I think it'll be an
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  interesting. What are best friends in real?
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  Life. It'll be an interesting match.
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  I mean, a lot of us out there still wondering what happened to
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  El Generico, still wondering where he's been.
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  Well, everybody said on Saturday on on on Friday, he should have
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  came out as El Generico. No, El Generico.
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  We don't know what happened to him.
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  Sami Zayn showed up and El Generico disappeared.
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  We don't know what happened to him.
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  We know we don't know what happened to him.
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  Yeah, I mean, there's there's a lot that's happened.
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  AE WS been good. Raw has has picked up a lot of
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  interest lately from me. Well, with with Royce Keys and
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  and those guys. And.
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  And Jacob fought 2 and how that all ties in.
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  And I mean I could. I could see Roman being the
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  front man behind Royce 946 to bring Solo back to the family.
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  I could see Jacob being the front man for them and attacking
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  the bloodline. I mean, it could be honestly, it
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  it could be Seth Rollins. I mean, Roman is a very
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  out-of-the-box kind of thought. I could see Seth Rollins because
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  he hasn't been seen since he lost.
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  I mean, it's it's possible then you have could have been rolled.
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  Yeah, it's I Roman's a very out-of-the-box thought.
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  Seth Rollins maybe. Damn, I you know, it could be
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  Jacob. Does him and Royce go all the
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  way back? Could it be Solo behind the 946
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  and had him lay him out on purpose that it doesn't look
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  like him? I think.
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  I think what's going to happen is they're going to go to layout
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  Solo and I think Jacob and the Usos are going to help him and
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  that's going to kind of put Solo back in the family somehow.
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  I'm just not sure how yet. I can see that.
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  What? I I think that's going to be an
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  interesting thing to watch. And then you have all of the,
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  you know, the AAA aspects coming in with their belts being
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  defended on live TV. They resurrected the AAA Latin
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  American Championships they did, which they gave to La Parka.
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  Yeah. I mean, that is, it's, there's
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  so much to cover in such little time that you'd have to do an
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  entire episode on just that. Which you can do.
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  Which you could do. It's not hard because you got
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  Money in the Bank coming up. You got All Out coming up.
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  You have TN as Bound for Glory next month.
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  You have NXT on the 26th. I believe the same.
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  I think either, I think it's yeah, money in the banks and
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  this month or next month and then all out or all yeah, all
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  out and and another pay-per-view go head to head.
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  Well, let's get back to NXT. I think it's an NXT show.
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  Let's get back to NXT. Or is it a AAA show?
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  It's one of them. We have another bloodline
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  member. He's been there, in there.
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  He's only been there two weeks. He's no, he's going on almost a
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  month. Almost, but not yet.
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  He's been there two weeks, Mr. Zilla.
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  Far too. Do you think he's coming up to
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  the blood? Not yet.
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  Not yet. You don't think so?
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  Not yet. Why?
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  It's too early. It's too early for him to come
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  up yet. Think him and Jacob are going to
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  team up? Could be.
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  I could see that. That would be some.
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  I mean, they did that on the Indy.
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  So it's not, it's not an impossible feat to to have.
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  I think somehow maybe Jacob takes over the bloodline and
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  then Zilla comes up from there. I don't know it's going to
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  depend, but yeah, there's there's a lot.
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  I mean, you know that that world title contendership down there,
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  AAA got a lot more interesting because Damien Priest is broken
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  away from our. Truth now?
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  Well, that wasn't by choice. Yeah, yeah.
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  I mean, I feel like it was at this point, but I think he's
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  going after the AAA Mega Championship.
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  Who's that? Which is right now Dominic, but
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  he faces El Grande Americano tonight for the title, and I
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  think that's where he loses it. Who's that Damian priest?
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  No Grande Americano faces Dominic for the world title
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  tonight on Triple Mania Part 2. You have the 15 man battle
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  royal. You have the tag team, title
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  match versus team to be determined.
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  I think I have an idea of what team that's going to be because
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  they've made it clear they want to wrestle in AAA in Mexico and
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  with the partnerships, I think you could see the Hardies go to
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  Mexico. So you have the women's title on
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  the line again tonight. Yeah.
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  I think the Rey, the Arenas championship, I think the rate,
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  no, yeah, that's on the line. Something else is on the line.
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  There's a bunch of titles on the line tonight.
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  It's going to be interesting. So on that note, let's.
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  Take a break. Let's take a quick little break
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  and then we're going to come back with our guest.
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  Oh, we got two of them in there. I didn't know he was in there.
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  Bring up his friend. What is up?
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  What is up? It is turnbuckles and stogies
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  pot. I am the host, the big dog, my
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  Co host, the vanilla gorilla and that's right, we have a special
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  guest with us today and he is bring him up.
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  The interview of the week is brought to you by Jersey Mike's,
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  a sub above. Mr. Ishmael Alavan, BAMF Cigars,
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  thank you today for bringing up and coming on, and we appreciate
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  the cigars. And right now I'm smoking around
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  the world. It's a fucking damn good cigar,
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  by the way. Thank you.
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  Thank you. So how you guys doing get ready
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  to light up the marvel now we're.
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  Doing well. We're doing well.
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  So tell us a little bit about your how you came up with these
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  three cigars, the Marvel, the Seville?
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  No, it's the Seville. I tried to tell him that but he
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  don't listen. Seville and yeah, yeah and and.
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  Around the world, oh this the Sebiga is I'm shocked that the,
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  you know, so many years in the industry, all the industry
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  making cigars and nobody nothing about Sebiga 1676.
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  Why the the 1676? Well, because actually with the
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  cigar as we know today, with a fielder, A binder and a rapper,
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  it was not done like a people feeling queue.
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  It was not. It was done in Sebiga, Spain in
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  191676. And nobody had nothing like
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  that. Yeah, you, you have another, you
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  know, all the names in Spanish, all these, whatever you want to
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  say, but never it was a cigar done like this.
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  So what I did is OK, go back in history and to see how it was
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  done, what it was, the farms that they use and all that.
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  Some of them still this day, some of them did not, but I got
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  the tobaccos from Estre Maduro to South Spain and the rapper is
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  from Gran Canaria, one of the aisles very close to Africa,
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  still Spain, but it's in but it's very South and that is
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  Seville then around the world. I want to do people know me for
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  do you know a lot of weed blends and many countries or whatever.
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  So let's see how many countries I come.
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  I say, yeah, so let's see how many countries I can put him and
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  see got. So actually the the the marble,
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  it was the first around the world.
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  But I want to put three more countries, which it was Spain,
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  France and Greece. But I didn't have enough cigars
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  to make to justify, you know, to import those cigars or to export
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  for those three countries, three countries to import into the
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  yard. And well, somebody came by when
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  I have only 14 cigars in in that, which is the marble.
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  Somebody came from Saudi Arabia and he just want to say hello
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  and we have something and I was smoking one.
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  So the guy tried and say, oh, can this be my cigars?
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  You pay for it. Yeah, it can be your cigar.
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  And it was his no finished product.
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  So that's when the marble came. And then probably about a year
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  later, something like that, almost two years later is when
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  they run the world came. So she has 17 countries.
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  So it's it's a lot. And people think, oh, but how
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  you put 17 countries in a cigar should be like this, you know,
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  like a famous muffler. Muffler like this.
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  I say, no, man, you don't. You don't use a full leaves.
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  You have to use whatever you need to make the cigar
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  consistent. And that's how we came.
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  That's how we came. Yeah.
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  Wow. Yes, Sir.
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  Wow. So I know you're making a lot of
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  cigars for a lot of people. So I also heard that you were
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  making some for Jay-Z. Is that correct?
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  So Jay-Z. Yes.
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  Jay-Z would which one because it's like a two or three JC's
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  yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.
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  It's not it's not it's not like a it's not like like we making C
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  gas for him. It wasn't, it is still on the on
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  the work and all that, but these guys, they can go to lead to you
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  and the next day to another guy. So it's nothing.
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  It's no Contra science. It's nothing like that.
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  But we do for a lot of people, you know, a lot of people that
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  they well known. That's that's for sure.
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  But the security will come sooner or later.
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  So tell us about what's going on with the TPA, because you know
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  me and Joey, TPA members. And I.
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  Totally forgot to get my tickets and with things going on right
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  now, I don't think I'm going to make it this year.
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  So tell us about the TPA. This event that's coming up,
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  this is delicious so far. Thank you.
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  That's demarable. Yeah, that was said 325.
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  And if you see, I'm not even, I'm not even through that first
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  initial light yet. And I'm I'm there's a lot of
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  different nuances and, and flavors just in that beginning
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  like. The thing we're doing joy what
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  is what is going to give you that cigar both and around the
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  world is like when you think that you have already the note
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  of the cigar. 2 bucks later that note is gone and a new one
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  comes. So you see when you think that
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  you have it, it's been changed to different one.
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  That's that was the whole. Right now like I had.
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  The whole idea. Notes already, but tell us about
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  the TPA event that's coming up. In October also with the TPA
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  which is part of is the Tobacco Products Association.
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  It was founded in or created back in May 2024.
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  So 2 years and a few months but actually took off in 2025
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  because one of the other people involved Co founded.
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  It was moving. The only guys were very busy.
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  One of them is the CFI fighters. It was busy as well with
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  training people, the the new guys and whatever.
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  And I was traveling all over. So actually took in 2025 when,
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  when we start to to go, you know, and we have what like 104
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  reasons in seats. When I say seats, it's because,
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  you know, one person can have, I don't know, for instance, you
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  guys, you have one seat, but it's two people.
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  So it's another people that have one seat.
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  But but all together we are well over 400 members and what we do
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  is just say something that nobody did.
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  And it's mostly for consumers. And media like your like you
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  guys because I mean at the end of the day, if he's no consumer,
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  he's no retailers if he's no. Retailers, and that's why I
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  think you know that and I told everybody, that's probably my
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  favorite part of the TPA is it brings everybody together, the
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  consumers, the retailers, media, factory owners, brand owners.
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  It literally puts everybody that you could want to talk to or get
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  to know in one spot. And we've had people on there
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  that we help get into the TPA, like Carolina Blue.
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  I mean. There's so many people on there
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  that we help get in there and we told them just tell them we sent
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  you and blah, blah and this and that.
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  So TPA is the real thing, guys. It's not a bullshit story.
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  It's a real deal and. Every every Wednesday.
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  Every Wednesday we meet on the Zoom. 8:00 Eastern Time, Yep.
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  And well, and now it's going to be it was one the first TPA was
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  down here by me in Wellington about four miles.
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  But I say you see you guys that you went to during July, July
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  over here is Hiramis. You can have 100° or you can
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  have 70 or can be sunny. You can be a hurricane.
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  You never know. And sure enough, you were like
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  120° of course in the lounge, the EC has to go down.
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  And of course it came freaking tornado in the middle.
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  It took tense, it took everything, everything that I
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  said that it could happen, it happened at once.
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  But but we have fun. So now we have the the second
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  one, which is Smokefest TPA Smokefest 2026.
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  It will be October 1st to the third actually selling days.
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  It will be Friday the 2nd, Saturday the 3rd.
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  The 1st is like a meet and greet.
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  So Thursday all the vendors get together VIP see they do as
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  well. You know, have a Lil Dean, a Lil
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  he he have a party and smoke some cigars.
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  And then the serious days is Friday and Saturday.
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  It's already 25 or 26 vendors. We have all the sponsors covered
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  already. I believe he's like 6-7
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  sponsors. He's gonna be rolling class that
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  I will be doing that class on Friday, 11:00 to 12:11 to 1,
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  whatever, depends the people. Then it will be a pairing class
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  that we doing as well. In Saturday it's four or five
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  different companies that bring from wine to brown to whiskey to
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  coffee to whatever and we are going to be making live.
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  I'm going to try the drinks before so I can pre roll some of
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  them because if it's 40 or 50 VI pays 4 drinks each.
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  You know it's 200 cigars. Do 200 cigars.
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  You got to know exactly what to give them that pairs each with
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  that pairs well with each one, yeah.
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  So I want to have preyed on. It's going to be just like a
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  little Toscano SOG aviators. Obviously you cannot smoke a 50
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  by 6 in his drink. It will take you the whole day,
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  you know, 5 for this, forget about it.
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  So I will be in Oscar because if it was 2025 I would do myself,
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  but it's going to be way more than that.
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  So Oscar will be with me as well.
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  We will be rolling, teaching people and powering the.
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  Cigars. Are we going to be dressed as a
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  Dominican cowboy ninja that day? Exactly.
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  Exactly. So he will be with me and and
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  mostly because drive well my speed travel is 6 1/2 hours, but
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  normally it's 9 hours from here to Pensacola.
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  So go by myself. It's a little boring and my wife
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  is coming, but she's smarter than me and she's flying.
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  Of course I have to bring pants. I have to bring.
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  Cigars, everything. Let me ask you this question.
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  You're not going to stop. Sure, You're not going to stop
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  at the Outback and order beer and walk out with the three
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  things of beer, are you? You never know with me.
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  You never know what can happen. You could.
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  You could. You never know.
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  That was a great day. We had a good time that day.
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  We had a really great time. Yes, it was our first.
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  This was our first guy on our podcast doing it live.
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  Yes, he was. He was the yeah, he did a live
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  rolling on the show and everything.
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  Yeah, yeah. So that was nice.
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  I remember that day that was that was, that was fun.
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  We had a lot of fun that day. Absolutely, yes.
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  Absolutely yes. Now for the people at home, I,
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  we know because I've, I've gotten it twice already, the
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  factory reserve club, yes, that in my opinion is probably the
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  best. Thing that you can get.
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  The best bang for your buck to try a lot of different cigars
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  from different places, and I think it's what, 5 to 7 cigars
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  per pack I think. Is 5 to 6 depends the.
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  Cigars that they are and. And is nobody has that because E
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  cigars that otherwise, except for the American version that we
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  make cigars for, you will not find no land.
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  You will find it nowhere. OK, the good thing about United
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  States many things, but the good thing about cigars is we have
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  something called Cigar Lounge. Now you go over there, some of
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  them, they have liquor license. Some of them they just have
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  coffee. But you have cigars and chairs
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  and you party your ass over there and you just smoke a cigar
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  that's good. In another countries we don't
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  have that or they don't have that.
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  They have clubs. So they have the tobacco license
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  as a club and they can be a 20 members club or could be a 300
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  people club. So they allowed to do their own
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  cigar for the club. So if you think about it right
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  now, I mean cigars for over 134 people.
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  So I say because I don't know if it's going to be 35 or 36.
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  So about 130 plus people and each one of them they go from
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  three cigars all the way to 11 cigars.
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  So you know the math is over 750 plus AT56 cigars a month is
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  going to tell you about 11 years to repeat the cigar.
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  So that's the good thing. You know, it's 35 bucks for five
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  or six cigars once a month shipping include.
• 26:23
  So actually the factor of our service is not making money.
• 26:27
  Yes, we make a little money when people want to revisit the
• 26:30
  cigar, you know, you put, I don't know the marble, Marble
• 26:32
  now is in production. Before it was not because I took
• 26:35
  it back. I said well, marble is everyone
• 26:37
  want it. So I put it in production for
• 26:38
  the United States. But if somebody want this, they
• 26:41
  will have to go to Saudi Arabia to a club and get it and pay €68
• 26:46
  and a chance. So about $7374.00.
• 26:48
  So which is insane so I just bring it back and say well it
• 26:53
  was in the pack and like this can I have a fiber?
• 26:56
  Can I have a box? Can I have a bundle?
• 26:58
  So that's how the factory reserve makes money at the end.
• 27:00
  But sipping 56 cigars or this magnitude for 3/5 bucks sip
• 27:05
  include you cannot make money at all.
• 27:08
  In fact, you. Lose.
• 27:10
  I love you so. That's how I tried the Sevilla
• 27:17
  and I called you that's and I called you as soon as I smoked
• 27:21
  it and I'm like, what is this and where can I get it?
• 27:23
  Because that was a cigar that I was just like where did it come
• 27:29
  from? So tell me.
• 27:31
  The the severe, the around the world and the marvel.
• 27:38
  Can you buy them in the States or no?
• 27:41
  Yes, yes, all of all of them. They they fool in the United
• 27:44
  States, Yes, you can go online if any local launches that they
• 27:49
  have it, obviously they will sell it.
• 27:51
  You cannot find it, You just call me or you just go online
• 27:53
  and buy it. So I know, I know one of those
• 27:56
  kind of. You have no place up here in New
• 27:58
  York to buy those, right? No, it was kiosk.
• 28:03
  But the only thing that happened with those guys, they have 5
• 28:06
  kiosk, but they want to be yes, you know, have the whole state
• 28:12
  say, well, yeah, you see guys in five different places, but it's
• 28:15
  a kiosk. It's not like he said walking
• 28:17
  humid. There's nothing like.
• 28:18
  So it was not worth it for me to to just for them to have
• 28:21
  exclusive. So if I give exclusive, it has
• 28:23
  to be somebody at this big and they can, you know, all
• 28:26
  distribute or something like that.
• 28:28
  If an exclusive, absolutely yes. But to just a small businesses
• 28:33
  it's it's not worth it for me because in my end you say, yeah,
• 28:36
  give me the exclusive and then somebody want to buy, I don't
• 28:38
  know, 1000 cigars. No, it's true.
• 28:42
  Who is your New York Rep? New York, I don't have any reps
• 28:47
  in New York for that reason, neither in California because of
• 28:51
  taxes. It's too high of taxes.
• 28:53
  So unless that they want to to do it.
• 28:55
  But but again, that's you know, marble this cigar if instead to
• 29:01
  be no, this band is beautiful, by the way, and it has actual
• 29:04
  actual little tiny thing. You have micro theme of of gold
• 29:09
  into it. Just just for you guys to kind
• 29:11
  of see that band. I mean, it is the camera.
• 29:16
  The camera doesn't do it justice.
• 29:18
  Yeah. Like you'd have to go order this
• 29:20
  and get it in your hands to really appreciate the the
• 29:25
  banding, yeah. But in fact, I know the company,
• 29:28
  big guys, they have that cigar, that cigar, it will be a 4050
• 29:32
  sixty dollars cigar. I have it for 18 bucks.
• 29:35
  So, but that's Florida, Pennsylvania, no sales tax, but
• 29:39
  you go to New York and you sell it for 9 wholesale and they at
• 29:43
  the 75% of that is another 6-7 dollars and now they have to add
• 29:48
  the other 9 plus. So now he's, you know, now he's
• 29:50
  say 20 something almost $30 once you got that's. $23 stick,
• 29:55
  something like that. Yeah, about yeah.
• 29:59
  So which is about we got to take a break and we'll be back with
• 30:03
  Ishmael Alavan B AM FROC. Absolutely do your thing.
• 33:32
  What is up? What is up?
• 33:33
  We are back with Ishmael all of our B AM FROCF cigars,
• 33:37
  turnbuckles and stogies part. I am the big dogs, the vanilla
• 33:40
  gorilla just so y'all know. We'd like to thank our our our
• 33:43
  sponsors turnbuckles and stogies.
• 33:45
  We'd like to thank Ishmael Olivan BAMF regards TPA.
• 33:51
  We'd like to thank our producer in Colorado, H.
• 33:54
  Yes. And all our other.
• 33:56
  Producers now let's let's also give a big shot and a big thank
• 33:58
  you to the guys at 4 Johns for doing our merch.
• 34:01
  Yes, 4 Johns. Another father and son owned
• 34:03
  veteran owned company that is now doing our merch with us.
• 34:08
  We got a couple of shirts, three different designs, 2 I did, 1
• 34:12
  they did and we got our first hat on the website.
• 34:16
  Now you can't get that behind you yet, but if anybody wants
• 34:20
  it, all you got to do is ask me. Nice little little banner to
• 34:25
  hang up a little flag. So real quick, I'm going to ask
• 34:32
  you actually, you know what, let me I have somebody who who
• 34:35
  wanted to meet you ish. He wanted to come on and ask you
• 34:37
  a couple questions. He's a a new company.
• 34:40
  He's been around less than a year, a year just about I
• 34:45
  believe, and he kind of wanted to ask you a few questions and
• 34:48
  get to meet you because he's heard a lot about you.
• 34:50
  He. Was on your website.
• 34:51
  So I, I told him I would bring him up so that he can kind of
• 34:54
  meet you and talk to you and ask you some questions.
• 34:57
  Go. Forward it put.
• 34:59
  Him in a big screen. yo-yo, what's up, Jose?
• 35:04
  Jose. That's it's it's that's Jose.
• 35:06
  What's going on? What's going on there?
• 35:10
  You want me to tell me how you doing?
• 35:12
  I'm doing well, my brother, I'm doing well.
• 35:14
  What's going on, guys? Pops, what's going on?
• 35:17
  What's up, Joey? How?
• 35:18
  You doing living a dream bro, smoking cigars and enjoying my
• 35:21
  Sunday. Got got one of our our sponsors
• 35:23
  on the show with us. It's nice.
• 35:25
  One of our one of our very good friends and I can say that
• 35:28
  because it's. True, I can text.
• 35:29
  It's at 2:00 in the morning and he'll text me back.
• 35:32
  I hear a number of good things. Yeah, you know, introduce
• 35:36
  myself. My name is Jose.
• 35:37
  I'm the Co founder of Wyndham Reserve Cigars.
• 35:39
  We're a new boutique blend coming out.
• 35:42
  We we did something different than everybody else in the
• 35:45
  industry. I like the way you do your
• 35:46
  thing. You kind of shake it up.
• 35:48
  You don't follow the trends, you kind of make your own.
• 35:51
  And I think that's the only way in this industry to kind of
• 35:54
  carve your own path. So we have 5 lines, but we only
• 35:58
  came out in one vitola. OK.
• 36:01
  So we we only come out in a robusto.
• 36:04
  OK, so I don't. Think.
• 36:07
  Robusto is the most sold vitola in the world if I'm not mistaken
• 36:12
  after doing my. Research Yeah beaten robusto
• 36:15
  into the most probably the the 2 sizes more.
• 36:19
  So I figured, you know, if we can pack enough complexity,
• 36:22
  flavor and quality in a 5 by 52, I want to corner that whole
• 36:27
  market. I want to take that industry by
• 36:29
  chokehold and knock it out. You want to.
• 36:33
  Respond impossible. I know, I know.
• 36:35
  But if you if you don't dream big, you can't win big.
• 36:37
  I understand. And we're willing, you know,
• 36:40
  like I was telling Joey and his dad, I said we're willing to
• 36:43
  lose everything. Because if you're not willing to
• 36:46
  put everything up on the line, you're never going to get the
• 36:48
  ROI that you want. That's true.
• 36:51
  And another thing that we're we're committed on is if you
• 36:53
  can't talk about your brand and lo pelitos don't get up on your
• 36:56
  arm, your brand isn't worth it. If I can't talk to you.
• 37:00
  I'm passionate about what I do and what you doing.
• 37:03
  You, you, you're passionate. You guys are passionate about
• 37:06
  your craft. Yeah, You see it's it's a lot of
• 37:10
  people that they just say go cigars, but or they don't know
• 37:13
  what is in the cigar or they don't think it's in the cigar.
• 37:16
  It's a big mistake, in my opinion, you know, been doing
• 37:19
  this for the case. And you should know everything
• 37:22
  in and out about your cigar. You should.
• 37:25
  And so is the consumer. So they have the right to know.
• 37:28
  No, it's you can you don't go to a restaurant and say hey, yeah,
• 37:33
  yeah. Which kind of means this didn't.
• 37:35
  Oh, I can tell. Yeah.
• 37:37
  Where the people is coming. Oh, it's a secret.
• 37:39
  Well, that's no problem. Yeah, we we have.
• 37:44
  No, we're very fully transparent.
• 37:46
  We're Dominican based company. We're based out of tamburine.
• 37:50
  I use Crojo 98, HVA, Sam Vicente and two other proprietary
• 37:55
  blends. So we're very transparent on
• 37:57
  what we are. We don't, we don't kind of
• 38:00
  sugarcoat anything. It is what it is.
• 38:02
  We can't justify our taste for everyone's palate in the world.
• 38:06
  But if I can, if I can wrangle 60 to 80%, I'm alright.
• 38:11
  You golden? Yeah.
• 38:12
  So my, my question for you is starting, you know, you being a
• 38:15
  veteran in this game and me being a rookie, what pitfalls
• 38:20
  did you come through as when you were in my in my shoes coming
• 38:23
  up, coming up with the old, the bigger names ahead of you, the
• 38:26
  Fuentes, the Olivas, the pedrones, the pedomos.
• 38:30
  You know, you have to make a mark with all these big less
• 38:32
  legacies and they're kind of looking at you like, who the
• 38:35
  fuck is this guy? So you have to be.
• 38:38
  Different, you have to become totally different.
• 38:41
  You have to make cigars. No, yes, for your palate, you
• 38:44
  know, for your clients. Because yeah, you, you, you
• 38:47
  spend money in your own cigars plus more your own cigars.
• 38:49
  But you are not going to get rich.
• 38:51
  Yes, selling to you, you have to sell to another people.
• 38:55
  So you have to have in mind that everybody is different.
• 38:58
  So normally you have a panel of 567 guys or whatever and send in
• 39:03
  a couple of cigars and see what they like and you go with that
• 39:07
  one. But totally different thing
• 39:08
  because the so-called legacy, which I call them big companies,
• 39:12
  actually legacy is, you know, when it comes from great
• 39:15
  grandfather to greatfather to, you know, to grandpa and then to
• 39:18
  your father and then to you. That's actually legacy.
• 39:21
  But it's not too many friends like this in the world.
• 39:23
  It's a few. So you have to come with
• 39:26
  something different. You know, it's like a every week
• 39:29
  I have a car now. Why these people buy this car
• 39:31
  and not buy the car? Maybe because it has more perks
• 39:34
  and pretty cheaper or maybe because of this, maybe because
• 39:37
  of that. So you don't have to reinvent
• 39:39
  the the wheel. The wheel is already done.
• 39:42
  You have to push something else for the same or cheaper price.
• 39:45
  So people going to say, whoa, this guy is worthy.
• 39:48
  And that's what you have to do. You want to compete with the big
• 39:50
  guys, you have to become no smart because they vary smart in
• 39:54
  in numbers and the clients are loyal.
• 39:57
  You have to become a smarter in try these things.
• 40:00
  It's different why? Because ABC and D is it has to
• 40:04
  be different tobaccos. People only use three or four
• 40:07
  countries tobacco. Remember it's over 200 countries
• 40:10
  in the world. And instead for three or four
• 40:12
  countries you can find tobacco in Antarctica.
• 40:15
  In Antarctica. If I'm in tobacco, you can find
• 40:18
  tobacco everywhere in the world, almost.
• 40:21
  So just pick up that and and start to play with it, blend it
• 40:24
  and if people like it, they all want to buy it.
• 40:26
  That's it. Be different.
• 40:28
  You cannot be the same. You have to be different.
• 40:30
  Oh, 100%. We're, we're definitely
• 40:31
  different. Joey does that smoke my cigars.
• 40:34
  I, I kind of don't talk about it.
• 40:36
  I let the stick talk for itself because talk is cheap.
• 40:39
  Everybody says they got a great stick and then you get it and
• 40:42
  it's pure garbage. So everyone is the best one.
• 40:45
  Yeah, 100%. We met him last week or the week
• 40:49
  before on a Thursday. I met him actually.
• 40:52
  I met him honestlyish. We were smoking cigars on TikTok
• 40:55
  live. And then he.
• 40:57
  Said because you can smoke on TikTok now.
• 40:59
  And then he said. He said to us and, and we got on
• 41:02
  there and he said, listen, I want you to try my stuff.
• 41:04
  Where do you live? And I told him and he goes,
• 41:06
  well, I work over here. I'm like, oh, you work like, you
• 41:09
  know, 40 minutes from my house. I'm like, rather than ship it,
• 41:12
  I'll just drive and meet you. So when we got home, I I smoked
• 41:16
  the Maduro and I'm going to tell you it's.
• 41:19
  Smoked the Colorado. It's a fucking booming cigar.
• 41:23
  Not because you've done it, because I told him I smoked it
• 41:26
  and I said if it sucked, I'm going to tell you it sucked.
• 41:29
  Trust me. But.
• 41:30
  That's supposed to be done. His cigar was booming and.
• 41:35
  Again, you know, it's like I told him, you know, he came out
• 41:38
  with five lines, which was smart because he gave a little bit for
• 41:41
  everybody to smoke, you know, and it you don't, if you don't
• 41:44
  like this one, you're not, you might like this one, you don't
• 41:47
  like this one, you might like the other one.
• 41:48
  Kind of like you with your with your barbed wire or your.
• 41:51
  I mean, this ads just for everybody to see like that's
• 41:54
  crazy. You know, it's kind of like when
• 41:56
  you put out everything that you put out and I say it's let me
• 41:59
  get this and you go, OK, I'll send it to you.
• 42:01
  You know what I mean? It's kind of like that.
• 42:03
  I can call them up and say yo, I'll send you the money, just
• 42:06
  send me these and you go OK, just like when I bought all them
• 42:08
  cigars. Yep, from you and I got.
• 42:11
  Them which all those cigars, I wish I still had some, but they
• 42:16
  were good. They're, oh, they're long gone,
• 42:18
  but I'll tell you what, I enjoyed every last one of those
• 42:21
  fucking things. They were good collection
• 42:24
  that's. For sure.
• 42:25
  Oh my God, what's? Up you said you were looking at
• 42:28
  TPA did. You.
• 42:29
  I was looking at TPA. Yeah, absolutely.
• 42:32
  Listen, being a new company, we have, we have to merge, we have
• 42:36
  to ride coattails. Let's be honest, gentlemen, I'm
• 42:39
  we're nobody in this game and I'm OK with that.
• 42:42
  When you get in with Ish and you start doing TPA, you have Hayes
• 42:46
  Gray, you have. A lady from Chicago you have.
• 42:51
  Me and Joey, there's so many. You have clowns, cigars, You
• 42:57
  have. You have.
• 43:01
  I mean, and then you have you have you and then obviously
• 43:04
  Doctor Oscar, who's another one of the founders.
• 43:05
  Doctor Oscar I'm trying to get on, but every time I send him a
• 43:08
  message. He's like I've, I've tried to
• 43:10
  get him on every time I I get his, I'll text his number and
• 43:13
  I'll get like his nurse or his assistant and I'm like, just
• 43:15
  tell him call me when he's ready.
• 43:17
  Yeah, I have. Listen, I I looked into the TPA,
• 43:19
  you guys are doing a good thing. It's it's a young it's, it's,
• 43:22
  it's up and coming compared to a lot of other platforms.
• 43:26
  I would love to send you some of my sticks.
• 43:28
  It's where you could taste them so you can see that again, talk
• 43:32
  to you. So DMDMU read that it should DM
• 43:35
  you is information it's sent to. Send you I'll send you about the
• 43:40
  flavors you time for yourself and you know, coming from
• 43:42
  another respected person in the industry, ultimate feedback.
• 43:46
  If it's dog shit, tell me it's dog shit.
• 43:48
  I have no problem with that. I as a man, you have to take
• 43:51
  constructive criticism to make your blend right.
• 43:54
  So like. The only way, it's the only way
• 43:56
  that you learn. OK, because that's when normally
• 43:59
  when I give cigars to people to try, I give to people that they
• 44:03
  don't know me at all. And all of a sudden I put the
• 44:05
  phone number, which is as smart as you think about it and say,
• 44:07
  hey, I have this over here. It's something weird.
• 44:10
  I say no. And a cigar company.
• 44:11
  I want you to try this cigar. Why me?
• 44:13
  I say because I don't know you. So you say that this shit, you
• 44:17
  don't care because you don't know me.
• 44:18
  But if I give to my families, to my friends, yeah, they say it's
• 44:24
  just going to go with a freaking machete and cut my neck.
• 44:26
  I said no, no, no. You can't be honest.
• 44:28
  You know, whatever you want, I want to say about, but but it's
• 44:31
  hard for people to tell you no, it's not good because they're
• 44:34
  your friends. They don't like.
• 44:36
  Somebody told Ish that I was talking shit about his cigars.
• 44:40
  I said that's pretty funny 'cause I talk to Ish three times
• 44:44
  a week. I said why would I talk to?
• 44:46
  You about it, Cigars. Yeah, we send our cigar out
• 44:49
  across the country already. I've had people in California
• 44:52
  try, people in Indiana, people in Ohio, and we've got a lot of
• 44:56
  good feedback. No, let me.
• 44:58
  Yeah. And that's a good thing.
• 45:01
  In the private chat you can see only us, right?
• 45:05
  Yeah, yeah. So let me put it over here so I
• 45:08
  send you the info. If anything I'll take a picture
• 45:13
  of it for him and send it to him ish.
• 45:18
  Yeah. Now, now I'm going to ask you
• 45:21
  this ish because I'm I'm curious, right, Sure, I know you
• 45:24
  do a lot of the the smaller ringgages.
• 45:27
  When I say smaller, I say, you know, robustos and and coronas
• 45:31
  and stuff like that. And I noticed with the Marvel,
• 45:36
  the around the world and the Sevilla, there are a lot of a
• 45:39
  there are bigger ringgage for you. 58 because it's too many
• 45:42
  tobaccos. There's no way I can put 1417
• 45:45
  countries in the corona. I would have to go yeah, yeah,
• 45:48
  like right. It is not worth it.
• 45:51
  So no, no, that's why I asked, because it, it, it piqued my
• 45:54
  curiosity because again, I've, I've known you for a while, I've
• 45:57
  smoked a lot of your stuff. You do 5.
• 46:00
  Years, a lot. You do a lot of robustos, a lot
• 46:02
  of Coronas, a couple toros, and this was kind of out of the
• 46:06
  realm for you. But at the same time, you know,
• 46:09
  I, I think it's a nice change up to your lineup as well.
• 46:13
  So tell us, tell us about around the world.
• 46:18
  Who is in around the world? You have 17 countries for five
• 46:23
  continents. For instance, for North America
• 46:26
  you have Pennsylvania, you have Dominica Repubi, you have
• 46:29
  Nicaragua, you have Jamaica, and you have 3S and Tobago.
• 46:33
  From South America you have Brazil, which is the rapid in
• 46:38
  that case. Then from Africa you have
• 46:40
  Zimbabwe, Mozambique, Angolan, Cameroon and from Europe you
• 46:44
  have Spain, Italy, Greece, France, Bulgari and that's it.
• 46:52
  And then you have from Asia, you have Indonesia, so.
• 46:57
  That is his around the world that I'm smoking.
• 47:00
  I can't. I can't get any closer.
• 47:02
  That what it looks like around. The world and let me tell you,
• 47:05
  this is a really damn good cigar.
• 47:07
  Not because it's just on here, but this the first time I ever
• 47:10
  smoked it. And when I called him and asked
• 47:13
  him to come on, he said what do you want?
• 47:14
  I said, what do you got? He goes, I got to I said send me
• 47:17
  whatever I haven't smoked. And I told him what I haven't
• 47:20
  smoked. And let me tell you, it's that
• 47:22
  Seville last night was off the. He was, he was smoking it and he
• 47:26
  kept going. This is so I'm like I told you
• 47:29
  when I smoked it in the factory Reserve Club, when I got it, I'm
• 47:33
  like I told you, it was completely different from what
• 47:35
  we're used to, not only from from you, but from like this
• 47:40
  side of the world. We're not used to cigars like
• 47:43
  this. It's that one is 100% Spanish
• 47:47
  tobacco from Spain and it's totally different thing because
• 47:50
  most people and later you travel and you find something that
• 47:54
  probably say a blend like 100% from Spain.
• 47:57
  You're going to have the old, old guys like over here, the,
• 48:00
  you know, the, the latest that we call you will have the
• 48:02
  Farias, you will have Regis. You will have something like
• 48:05
  that, that they are like on the country, 2 or $3 and you better,
• 48:11
  you better have a lot of hair in your chest because it's going to
• 48:14
  take you down. Those things are like, so when
• 48:18
  you just balance the cigar like it was done in 1676 now you know
• 48:22
  what the Sagacia was so popular back in the day and going like
• 48:26
  this because. Yeah.
• 48:27
  It because it's got it's got the power, but it's got the flavor.
• 48:31
  It's not an overpowering stick, but it's also got everything
• 48:36
  that you're looking for in a, when I say a a darker cigar.
• 48:40
  And I am going to tell you, before you smoke any Maduro
• 48:43
  cigar, make sure you eat if you don't eat.
• 48:47
  I'm sorry. For you, because you're going.
• 48:49
  To and then I'm going to give this shout out because not only
• 48:51
  did DH give the knowledge to Jose and those guys, this right
• 48:56
  here is a huge palate cleanser. Oh, the ginger.
• 49:00
  Yeah, of course. I so so I didn't know that ish
• 49:04
  and then I was hanging out with them on TikTok and they're like,
• 49:06
  go get these. I don't like ginger.
• 49:08
  I'm like, no, I I won't do it. I don't like it.
• 49:12
  She went out last night and I had her grab me one and I did it
• 49:17
  and then I lit up another cigar and I was like, you son of a
• 49:20
  bitch. I'm like, I didn't want this to
• 49:21
  work, but it works. I've got to.
• 49:23
  Pay you something, Joey. Joey, you like ginger.
• 49:26
  You don't know that it's ginger. You know that flavor that 100%
• 49:32
  mistakes and they call cinnamon or cinnamon, Depends who you
• 49:36
  are. But it's OK.
• 49:37
  It's not cinnamon in the cigar. It's impossible.
• 49:39
  It is ginger. Really.
• 49:42
  So he's not cinnamon in the cigar, but no, he's ginger.
• 49:46
  People just say whatever, you know, like, like when they say,
• 49:48
  oh, this is being sold from the Himalaya, get the fuck out of
• 49:52
  here. It's so, so it's, it's, you
• 49:56
  know, it's the same thing. It is ginger.
• 49:59
  It is not cinnamon in the cigar, you know.
• 50:04
  But you know what? I'm I'm glad I got the knowledge
• 50:07
  because I did it last night and I got on, I got on TikTok with
• 50:11
  Jose and those guys and we were smoking.
• 50:12
  I I chewed it and then I had the LA Imperiosa from Crown heads.
• 50:17
  Yeah, OK. And I cleaned the pallet.
• 50:19
  I had my cup of water like I usually do most of the time.
• 50:23
  And I was just, I was smoking it and I'm like, damn it.
• 50:26
  I'm like I didn't want this to work but it does it.
• 50:31
  Does work and I was like, watch out with water.
• 50:36
  A lot of people, they have the they have the water, but
• 50:39
  sometimes probably your stomach, it feels like a little funny is
• 50:42
  because the worst, the worst hair with the cigar is water.
• 50:46
  Water doesn't kill the nicotine. I usually do coffee so.
• 50:50
  Coffee, coffee, the breakfast soup because caffeine, it will
• 50:52
  kill a little of the nicotine. It will not make you sick, but
• 50:55
  water neither. You do like I have.
• 50:57
  Let me see. I have water, ginger and lime.
• 51:01
  That's what I have over here. So you put.
• 51:04
  You put some sort of like like mixer essentially.
• 51:07
  Into the water. Yeah, the vintage 2028 Winston's
• 51:11
  so. This is the Industry 28 Winston.
• 51:15
  Only me can I have these ones and I'm the only guy smoking
• 51:20
  this in the singer podcast. Are you still are you still
• 51:24
  making the bacon wrapped Oh Bob wires?
• 51:29
  The MRE's. I cannot even put it on the
• 51:32
  website because every time I put it is gone.
• 51:34
  Which is true because I've called you a few times.
• 51:37
  I went to go order them and they're out and I call them like
• 51:40
  ish. You got any Mr. ES?
• 51:41
  He goes no, they're gone. And now?
• 51:46
  That's a good problem. With that is, yeah.
• 51:49
  But you know The funny thing? Everyone, everyone is a macho
• 51:53
  man. Nobody do flavors, nobody do
• 51:55
  nothing. Which that's the flavors you
• 51:56
  got. It's bacon, but bacon is bacon.
• 51:58
  Doesn't like bacon again. Are you a red blooded American
• 52:02
  if you don't like bacon? Oh, European.
• 52:06
  Yeah, bacon for everything. So.
• 52:10
  No, but you know, it's funny because when, you know, going
• 52:14
  back to what we were talking about before where people were
• 52:15
  saying, you know, these cigar, you know, giving criticism, all
• 52:18
  this cigar sucks. This cigar is this.
• 52:19
  This cigar is that I was explaining to Jose that when I
• 52:23
  smoked the MRE before I met you in person, I was expecting a
• 52:27
  whole lot of bacon, a whole lot of this.
• 52:29
  And I'm like, why am I not getting this?
• 52:31
  And then I said, I sat down with you and you explained to me it's
• 52:35
  more of the aroma coming off of the smoke then the cigar.
• 52:39
  And then I really started to understand the, the breakdown of
• 52:43
  what, you know, you're kind of supposed to get off that aroma.
• 52:46
  And then it made sense. And then when you really started
• 52:49
  getting into it and like you said, pairing it with the, with
• 52:52
  the coffee, then it really brought out the, the coffee
• 52:55
  notes. And and then you got that that
• 52:57
  bacon note when you started pairing it with that coffee.
• 53:01
  The only bad thing with that cigar is that make you hungry
• 53:04
  because you're just smelling the thing.
• 53:05
  I mean like if somebody doing BBQ or putting some bacon or
• 53:07
  whatever, it's the only bad thing about the cigar.
• 53:10
  It's. Like lighting up AKFC?
• 53:13
  Like when you light up the KFC from Drew Estate, you want to go
• 53:15
  have a BBQ or make some s'mores? So.
• 53:19
  Ish. No, it's just it sucks if it's
• 53:22
  in the middle of the winter time and you can't go do that.
• 53:25
  You got to go inside and use. You got to go inside and use the
• 53:27
  stove with the marshmallows. What else?
• 53:29
  What other questions got for Jose?
• 53:33
  Navigating the industry, you know, it's, it's new to me.
• 53:35
  So I'm trying to learn my way, find my path.
• 53:37
  I'm trying to make my own path, to be honest with you, because I
• 53:39
  don't want to follow anybody's direction.
• 53:42
  But you know, what do you, you know, like I said, the pitfalls
• 53:45
  that you had in the beginning as a guy like me, I don't want to
• 53:48
  fall for the same things. And you fell for, you know what
• 53:50
  I'm saying? So I'm, I'm basically asking
• 53:52
  what should I steer clear of? You know, like, I don't want to
• 53:55
  grow my brand too fast, but I don't want to grow it too slow
• 53:59
  either. First, be clear about about
• 54:02
  bullshit is because people are going to be just bullshitting
• 54:04
  you a lot of times and telling you things that you shouldn't be
• 54:07
  doing. So clear the bullshit is 100%.
• 54:10
  Then know your factory very well.
• 54:13
  Make sure that the consistence a trick that nobody does is the
• 54:18
  maybe and I'm going to say yes, maybe the big guys is half at
• 54:22
  least tobacco for four years. And you mean that you make this
• 54:27
  cigar this year 2026. Don't spend the whole tobacco
• 54:31
  half at least you know, 1 bell or something keep over there
• 54:34
  because next year that if this tobacco is 5-6 years, the one
• 54:39
  that is coming is is is only four or five years.
• 54:42
  So that this is going to change a little, but you mix with the
• 54:45
  bell of the 20, the one that you did in 2026, it would be
• 54:49
  consistent. So you have to be consistent in
• 54:50
  the cigars. So just keep something you know.
• 54:53
  I. I got a really good relationship
• 54:56
  with my factory like it's a family run thing.
• 54:59
  So we have, we have, we have inventory for the next four
• 55:03
  years. That's number one.
• 55:06
  And that's what I that's what they told me.
• 55:07
  First thing you do is lock down your inventory.
• 55:10
  Yeah. These people really like this
• 55:13
  blend, you got to have enough of it to give to people and enough
• 55:16
  to re up if you need to. Yes, because everybody think,
• 55:19
  oh, it's but it's the same thing or it's not the same thing.
• 55:22
  You know, gasoline is gasoline, but depends which which gas
• 55:25
  station you go. Maybe it has a little water in
• 55:27
  it, maybe it has a little more ethanol in it maybe.
• 55:30
  So it's not the same thing. So, but yeah, it's going to be
• 55:34
  similar, but you want to be very more like a clone is not going
• 55:38
  to be nothing like a clone because it's much impossible,
• 55:40
  no. From 16 different personalities
• 55:42
  in the plant. But you know, but it's that's
• 55:47
  that's one and the other one your export and import very,
• 55:50
  very important export and the import.
• 55:52
  So you can you can literally funk it up depends who you
• 55:56
  export and import the cigars for you.
• 55:57
  So that's another another problem that you have to and
• 56:00
  then yes, you do everything by the book in with your taxes and
• 56:04
  in people do Oh no, you do this, you pay less, you do that.
• 56:08
  You do just follow the rules. Many Stabak Tabak and alcohol is
• 56:11
  federal and you. Don't pay percent.
• 56:13
  I used to own a gun store, so I've dealt with the ATF.
• 56:17
  I know how stringent they could be.
• 56:18
  So like we, Joey, can sit to attest to this.
• 56:21
  We've doing everything step by step.
• 56:23
  I'm not rushing anything. I want your compliance
• 56:26
  everything. I don't want that.
• 56:27
  I get that knock on the door saying yo come here you sold to
• 56:30
  no, I'd rather wait and give you.
• 56:33
  I know what my product can do. I know the product is solid and
• 56:36
  I hope you do too. You will like my product.
• 56:38
  I'd like to try yours as well. But again, but again, I'm trying
• 56:42
  to make AI want to shake it up a little bit ish I I don't want to
• 56:46
  come normal. I'm a loud, obnoxious son of a
• 56:49
  bitch. That's what I am.
• 56:50
  You either take it or you don't. That means you're going to see
• 56:53
  how much for turmoil. No it.
• 56:56
  Was, but he was coming for it. I'll put it.
• 56:58
  You look now you're another. Another company's here.
• 57:00
  I got a bet right now. Gentlemen's bet.
• 57:02
  We want Padrone 2000 against our Maduro.
• 57:05
  Gentlemen's bet. Winner puts on the loser's
• 57:07
  T-shirt and takes pictures. Gentlemen, I know Padrone can
• 57:11
  say who the fuck is this guy? We don't know this guy.
• 57:13
  What do you think we. Ain't got nothing to lose.
• 57:16
  Now, now it's, it's funny you say that, right?
• 57:18
  Because we had this conversation about your Maduro and, and I
• 57:22
  think it's, it's relevant to the conversation we were having
• 57:24
  about the, the criticism on cigars.
• 57:27
  I smoked his Maduro ish. I loved it.
• 57:30
  I told him I, I thought it was for the, the blend.
• 57:32
  It is. It's fantastic.
• 57:34
  I said, you know, if you're looking for a spice bomb or a
• 57:37
  pepper bomb, that's not the Maduro for you.
• 57:41
  But it's full of flavor and everything.
• 57:43
  Now he had somebody, he had somebody tell him that his
• 57:48
  Maduro was flavorless. There was nothing there.
• 57:51
  And I said, I don't know what they're smoking because I smoked
• 57:54
  it. And I was like, you know, I, I
• 57:56
  got the notes, I got notes on of it.
• 57:58
  I got notes out of it. The burn was great.
• 58:00
  The taste was there. I said, but those are the
• 58:02
  people, I think. And I think you kind of know
• 58:04
  where I'm going with this. Is that only smoke that heavy?
• 58:08
  Powerful, you know, right off the RIP?
• 58:11
  Punch of of spice Toms, they guys used to yeah, but they just
• 58:15
  used to one thing, you know, it's it's it's a gaff for a veg.
• 58:18
  You go to a vegetarian and and and you, you show them bacon.
• 58:22
  They go like no, no, no, only veggies.
• 58:25
  So it's it's the same shit. So it's it's like, you know what
• 58:29
  happened is nobody, nobody, nobody is going to give too
• 58:32
  literally 2 fucks for new, new brands.
• 58:34
  And later you prove yourself like like me, you think that I
• 58:37
  care what people say. I just love all of them.
• 58:40
  I say the cigar that you're smoking probably are blended
• 58:42
  anyways, so I'll keep keep smoking.
• 58:44
  Then I I don't, I don't care, you know, but people are afraid
• 58:48
  to like new things because they've been for years saying,
• 58:52
  Oh, my brand is AB and CSY&C. So now to come, Oh, I like this.
• 58:58
  But what my guys are going to see, well, when you see all
• 59:02
  these guys, the big guys that used to be as Nicaraguan tobacco
• 59:05
  blending with Dominican, you see Dominican blending with
• 59:09
  Equatorian, you see the Honduras blending with a little
• 59:12
  Nicaraguan. Well, they start to notice that
• 59:16
  the boutiques little by little, remember you don't win a battle
• 59:21
  going 50,000 people in the center street, but you can buy a
• 59:24
  bottle just with 100 people for over there, for over there, for
• 59:28
  over there coming from different, you know, so they
• 59:31
  see, they seen that the boutique industry is going very, very,
• 59:35
  very. And I he's got Cheetah.
• 59:38
  We're flanking them. We're flanking them right now.
• 59:40
  They don't like we're flanking them.
• 59:41
  Best on his on your podcast. I watched another episode last
• 59:45
  night. I'm going.
• 59:45
  To answer this question. You said that the boutiques are
• 59:47
  going to be the legacies are essentially at some point going
• 59:50
  to become the boutiques of the industry.
• 59:52
  Yeah, you will. You will.
• 59:55
  And I think that's a great way to put it.
• 59:57
  And you said the same thing when we were watching it, that
• 59:59
  because there's so many on the rise, like yes, a lot of people
• 1:00:02
  know who you are. And it's crazy to me sometimes
• 1:00:05
  when I hear when you tell me you're making cigars for X
• 1:00:08
  amount of companies and you're still considered a boutique
• 1:00:11
  brand, but yet you're, you're known by, like you said, a lot
• 1:00:16
  of the the bigger name companies.
• 1:00:18
  And to me it just, it, it's hard to understand.
• 1:00:21
  And, and I think it's because you can compete with those big
• 1:00:25
  companies. And to me it's just like.
• 1:00:28
  You're considered a boutique, but yet you're still making
• 1:00:31
  cigars for however many people. Well, just just just to put in
• 1:00:36
  perspective and not to just kiss myself, but I don't see any of
• 1:00:40
  those guys in Honduras talking with depression in his house,
• 1:00:44
  having lost with depression of the Republic of Honduras.
• 1:00:46
  This guy was there. I don't see no one of those guys
• 1:00:49
  coming back in December and no invitation to roll cigars in
• 1:00:53
  Honduras, not being from Honduras.
• 1:00:55
  So let me ask you this question. Same thing is dead I guess.
• 1:00:59
  You said. Maybe you?
• 1:01:03
  Were all with us. You said you were making a cigar
• 1:01:07
  for my buddy Dave Bautista. Whatever happened with that?
• 1:01:11
  The guy disappeared. That guy disappeared.
• 1:01:13
  This this guy is like a is so more like the Dominican Cabo
• 1:01:18
  ninja, his and his not his and his not.
• 1:01:21
  I say, well, when you are you, let me know that one.
• 1:01:24
  It should be a bad wide oversize because the bad one in his
• 1:01:28
  fingers do like a paper clip on mines.
• 1:01:30
  He has kind of sound like. Oh yeah, sometimes when I, when
• 1:01:35
  I smoke a lot of your smaller ring ages too, I'll go smoke
• 1:01:37
  them. I'm like, where's the fucking
• 1:01:38
  cigar? I'm like, my hands are huge.
• 1:01:41
  Yeah, so this guy has a huge hands and it was OK.
• 1:01:45
  He is the face of 1W down in in San Antonio and they want us to
• 1:01:56
  make cigars for that, but they want him to be the face of 1
• 1:02:00
  cigars for him. Now this guy is all over the
• 1:02:03
  place to find this person and sit down and talk.
• 1:02:07
  Good luck 'cause he's. Filming all kinds of He's
• 1:02:10
  filming all kinds of Movies Now. That's like Maddie Rocks.
• 1:02:13
  Maddie Rocks is good friends with him and his mother, but he
• 1:02:16
  doesn't like to talk to people. He doesn't like to sit down and
• 1:02:19
  talk to people. And again, you know.
• 1:02:21
  Again he. Wasn't in the limelight for that
• 1:02:23
  long. He was in the corrections he
• 1:02:25
  got. He left corrections, became a
• 1:02:27
  wrestler and now he's doing Marvel Comics, he's doing all
• 1:02:30
  these other movies. Kudos to him for leaving and go
• 1:02:33
  going to get that Marvel bag because that's a lot of fucking
• 1:02:36
  money in Marvel. But the same sense.
• 1:02:38
  Yes, it is. You want Ish to make your
• 1:02:41
  cigars, you got to sit down and speak with the man himself.
• 1:02:46
  So, and I think too, I think like Ish said it, the whiskey
• 1:02:49
  company wants him to make one for him.
• 1:02:51
  So essentially, he may not even know that that he knows it's
• 1:02:54
  going to happen, but I think he figures they'll take care of it
• 1:02:57
  for him. Most probably yes, that's.
• 1:03:00
  Probably what it is. But they told him that he has to
• 1:03:03
  be in a suit of in a photo suit and this and this and that,
• 1:03:06
  that's it. And two or three times that he
• 1:03:08
  was at the distillery. I was in Europe.
• 1:03:11
  So I said, guys, sorry, you cannot call me 6-7 hours in
• 1:03:17
  advance because I'm in Florida. Even being in Florida, I cannot
• 1:03:21
  get over there in 6-7 hours. If I drive.
• 1:03:23
  He's 18 and he's he's no guarantee it's going to be a
• 1:03:26
  plane taking an hour from now to land over there before he
• 1:03:29
  leaves. So it's kind of it's, it would
• 1:03:33
  happen eventually. Yeah, I mean, listen, times will
• 1:03:36
  eventually align that you can make that happen.
• 1:03:38
  And you know, I think that'll be a a big thing for the
• 1:03:41
  distillery, a big thing for you because that's getting into a
• 1:03:45
  essentially a whole nother market, which is again, why this
• 1:03:50
  kind of podcast was formed, because you're bringing in not
• 1:03:54
  only that movie star aspect, but that wrestling aspect into your
• 1:03:58
  cigars. And now you'll see it'll reach a
• 1:04:01
  whole different type of audience that that we tried to corner
• 1:04:06
  with this show. Yes, people don't realize that
• 1:04:09
  our show you were our first one on here I.
• 1:04:14
  Can't thank you. When we got to our Sports
• 1:04:16
  Network, he was the first show to.
• 1:04:17
  Our Sports Network You Were the First Show and our producer God
• 1:04:21
  Rest is solely died of cancer. He loved it.
• 1:04:24
  He goes who the fuck is that us? That's my brother Ish.
• 1:04:28
  He was like, that was great. He goes, you guys made me do
• 1:04:31
  nothing but laugh. I'm like, that's what we were
• 1:04:33
  supposed to do and. I said it's our sponsor and I
• 1:04:37
  said I can call it's right now and he'll jump on if he's not.
• 1:04:40
  Oh wait a second. Actually let me let me pull this
• 1:04:43
  up because I I created this for the show.
• 1:04:45
  Hold on to post up as part of like the cover photo.
• 1:04:51
  It got a little screwed up. They added an extra C somewhere,
• 1:04:55
  but I just, I did it and I thought this was kind of cool.
• 1:04:59
  I took our logo and merged it into one for the show.
• 1:05:03
  I mean, it added an extra seat of turnbuckles, but I think it
• 1:05:06
  came out kind of cool. But it it looks.
• 1:05:09
  Good it does. It's, it's definitely, it's
• 1:05:12
  definitely a, a interesting aspect to do when you can play
• 1:05:16
  around with it is. Here's the thing that we have
• 1:05:20
  our own cigars coming out, as I told.
• 1:05:22
  You before. We have our own cigars coming
• 1:05:24
  out. They should be out by the end of
• 1:05:27
  October, hopefully. So OK, there we go.
• 1:05:31
  By the end of October, our cigars should be out and I'm
• 1:05:35
  going to send you a 5 pack The the the I call it a flying pig
• 1:05:42
  size. As I was telling, it's like that
• 1:05:43
  4 1/2 by 52 or 58, whatever it. Is why are you doing that?
• 1:05:48
  I said. When have you seen a flying pig
• 1:05:51
  as a first release? As a first release.
• 1:05:53
  Or as a limited release to try out the the.
• 1:05:56
  The run, I said exactly so. We all about it and.
• 1:06:00
  You're paying $5, you're paying $50.00 for us to ship it to you
• 1:06:06
  and everything, right? For you're paying 45 to $50.00
• 1:06:10
  for us to ship it to you and everything.
• 1:06:12
  So you're getting five of them. I want you to tell me if they
• 1:06:15
  suck, if they're good, if they need a little work.
• 1:06:18
  Listen. Oh, I will tell you what I want.
• 1:06:22
  You know that I will tell you what?
• 1:06:24
  I will tell you what is inside who made it?
• 1:06:26
  And he was sitting the day that he blended, you know that.
• 1:06:30
  I got one of these coming for you.
• 1:06:32
  That's that. OK, so that's that's the
• 1:06:34
  Cameroon ish that in his Colorado to me were like 1A and
• 1:06:39
  1B on his list. You put it far away.
• 1:06:42
  It looks like in my Seville, you put it, you put it far away.
• 1:06:48
  So. Yeah, but you're going to get
• 1:06:50
  all of these ish. I I really want your opinion.
• 1:06:52
  And like we did a lot of work. We did a lot of work even with
• 1:06:55
  the logo. What opinion like last?
• 1:06:58
  Everybody got one. Let's let's take a quick little
• 1:07:02
  break and then we'll come back because I forgot to keep track
• 1:07:05
  of time because I don't have my other producer here to keep me
• 1:07:07
  on test. OK, go for it.
• 1:07:13
  Yeah, basically. Play around with stuff.
• 1:10:16
  Yo, we are back. We are back.
• 1:10:18
  Turn Bucks and Stogie's pot. I am the big dog, just the
• 1:10:21
  vanilla gorilla. Follow us, Follow us on all
• 1:10:24
  streaming networks, Apple iTunes, every every place you
• 1:10:28
  can find us. And if you go on YouTube right
• 1:10:30
  now, you can watch the show live.
• 1:10:32
  So we have Ishmael, Olivan and Wyndham cigars.
• 1:10:37
  So let's get back. So we, we spoke about the around
• 1:10:40
  the world, kind of, I know we spoke briefly about the marvel
• 1:10:43
  in the beginning ish. Just kind of, you know, tell us,
• 1:10:47
  'cause I know you had mentioned to me that this was almost the
• 1:10:50
  original version of the around the world.
• 1:10:54
  Yes. So what happened with the around
• 1:10:56
  the world I want to use, Obviously being born and raised
• 1:10:59
  in Spain, I wanted to have the Spanish talapo in it.
• 1:11:03
  It was almost impossible, but it wasn't impossible that you had
• 1:11:05
  the money. But it's too expensive, too
• 1:11:08
  expensive to buy Talapo in Spain to export into the Dominican
• 1:11:12
  Republic, unless that you buy several bills just to buy just
• 1:11:16
  one bill is, you know, is. Right.
• 1:11:20
  It's horrific. I'm a doing.
• 1:11:21
  Man with money. So what's the?
• 1:11:23
  Big deal. Just when you loan me money is
• 1:11:25
  when I have money, you know, So it's joking.
• 1:11:29
  Folks. So that was that one.
• 1:11:32
  And then France is the same thing because they be particular
• 1:11:35
  people like we all know. And then it was Greece.
• 1:11:40
  So I had that one. I say, well, maybe I had to put
• 1:11:42
  it out, what am I going to do? And it was just people, tourist
• 1:11:45
  people just going to factories or whatever.
• 1:11:47
  And they saw that we were over here, over there, As a matter of
• 1:11:50
  fact, we were doing a BBQ outside.
• 1:11:52
  It was in the Saturday night after work or whatever.
• 1:11:55
  They got working, walking, and I don't need to smell the cigar.
• 1:11:59
  So the BBQ, probably the BBQ. But anyways, it was open.
• 1:12:04
  So we over there with the presidente beers and all these
• 1:12:07
  things and eating whatever and I'm smoking.
• 1:12:09
  I was inside yet and say oh, this is a factory.
• 1:12:13
  I say, oh geez, yes Sherlock, of course it's a factory, you know.
• 1:12:18
  And the guy goes and said, oh, I'm from South Arabia and I'm
• 1:12:23
  looking for tobacco. I want to do my own thing.
• 1:12:25
  Do you have something? Would you smoke it?
• 1:12:27
  Smell good? And I say, OK, so I'll give him
• 1:12:30
  one. I say, can I have this for me?
• 1:12:33
  And that's how that's how it became remarkable.
• 1:12:36
  Yes, because I think it had over three to become around the
• 1:12:39
  world. But actually if the same
• 1:12:40
  tobaccos in the around the world, it's the France, Spain
• 1:12:44
  and Greece and it changed the flavor totally from one to the
• 1:12:48
  other. Yeah.
• 1:12:48
  And you're right ish because I'm smoking it and I said to my dad
• 1:12:52
  before while you guys were talking, I'm like he was right
• 1:12:56
  because every time I nailed down a note I'm like it's gone and I
• 1:12:59
  got something else completely different.
• 1:13:01
  That's why they're around the world.
• 1:13:03
  Every time I nail a note down, I'm like, oh, this is fucking
• 1:13:06
  great. Next thing I do, I have
• 1:13:07
  confidence. Gone.
• 1:13:09
  So what's? The whack a mole.
• 1:13:11
  Yeah, I love the cigar because it's very complex.
• 1:13:16
  I don't know people that they just like, you know, study
• 1:13:18
  cigars, which is nothing wrong. You may even going.
• 1:13:20
  I always compare things with another things.
• 1:13:21
  You may even go into a restaurant and you ask for
• 1:13:23
  everybody. If the first bite is good, you
• 1:13:25
  don't want to change the flavor at all because it's good and you
• 1:13:28
  want the rib eye and that's it. But to me, the cigar is
• 1:13:30
  something that is not 20 minutes it and that's it.
• 1:13:33
  It's a cigar like that is hour and a half.
• 1:13:35
  Some people can take 2 hours. So I want some change of flavor
• 1:13:40
  in in the cigar and that's what I did and the bunch of that is
• 1:13:43
  totally different is no, yes, you know, a book or intubato or
• 1:13:49
  a Corian. We do a twist into it when
• 1:13:51
  everything is we do a twist. So they always initially better
• 1:13:54
  when you press it and it's it's it's it's like I said, it's
• 1:13:58
  people that it's too much for them because change too much.
• 1:14:01
  They get us a .0. I had this whatever flavor and
• 1:14:05
  all of a sudden is gone. Well, so buy this or the cigar
• 1:14:08
  is complete the same cigar. You know, he gets bored, you
• 1:14:12
  know, but but yeah, it's, it's, it's you are gonna change the
• 1:14:16
  the difference of flavors. And there's there's also too a
• 1:14:20
  lot of transitions throughout this cigar too, which I noticed
• 1:14:24
  besides the the tobaccos it it transitions quite a few times.
• 1:14:29
  Oh, that's, that's the change of flavors.
• 1:14:31
  I, I call the change of flavors to transitions, but like most
• 1:14:34
  people do transitions. I don't you know why?
• 1:14:37
  Because I have the construction company and the only transition
• 1:14:40
  that we know is between the bathroom tile and the carpet in
• 1:14:43
  the room, the little threshold that's called transition.
• 1:14:47
  So you need to change some flavors.
• 1:14:48
  Metal carpet. Strip covering in both covering
• 1:14:51
  the little gap. That's a transition.
• 1:14:54
  A little termination. Bar action, Yeah.
• 1:14:57
  So so that's why I say change of flavor, you know, but and you
• 1:15:01
  notice I don't say B dollars, I say size because I mean probably
• 1:15:06
  comes from Spain and they meet, they meet all actually is the
• 1:15:09
  panel that you got, but in United.
• 1:15:11
  States. I do remember you telling us
• 1:15:13
  that when we when we spoke in person, I remember you kind of
• 1:15:16
  giving me that little bit of a knowledge.
• 1:15:18
  So tell us about your factory. Well, not us, but tell us the
• 1:15:24
  the people watching about your factory in Dr. Well, I started
• 1:15:29
  with one many, many years back and it was a small one.
• 1:15:33
  Then we grow because we doing cigars for many people.
• 1:15:35
  So I have the second one and then about a couple of years
• 1:15:39
  back I had the third one, which is a little bigger.
• 1:15:41
  These two floors and all of that again, the three factories
• 1:15:45
  probably is actor of Fuentes reference, you know, because
• 1:15:47
  they have mansions over there. So it's.
• 1:15:52
  Factories. Same thing.
• 1:15:53
  Tamburil. Yeah, me too.
• 1:15:56
  So, so it's it's I like Tamburi because you are one of them is
• 1:16:01
  in Kanka, which is right there is 5 minutes or is right there
• 1:16:13
  exactly. And so so we just produce over
• 1:16:17
  our cigars that you notice I never talk about my own cigars.
• 1:16:20
  I talk about every other people's cigars by mine that we
• 1:16:23
  do and and because I want them to do good.
• 1:16:27
  If they do good, I will do fantastic as well.
• 1:16:29
  You know, the more they sell the most cigars are made for them.
• 1:16:32
  And mine's actually no, people are already you know, Banff, you
• 1:16:35
  know, AMA, who doesn't want to be a badass motherfucker, you
• 1:16:38
  know, so soon he or then they will buy a cigar.
• 1:16:42
  Mostly believe it or not, I sell most cigars overseas that here
• 1:16:45
  in United States. But that's the reason because I
• 1:16:47
  want the other guys locally to sell more cigars.
• 1:16:51
  So we're making cigars now for 134 study brands and two coming.
• 1:16:56
  One is Noah brand, one is one guy for himself that he won't
• 1:17:00
  like a little cigarrillos by hand, no machine, but this guy
• 1:17:04
  is smoke 1000 of them a month. So it's Noah brand, but it's
• 1:17:10
  another one that we do. It's the little one, see like a
• 1:17:12
  15 minute cigar, whatever. But this guy, he liked the
• 1:17:16
  little guy. So we're making just one for him
• 1:17:19
  and that's it. Crazy. 1000 cigarillos in a
• 1:17:24
  fucking month is. How many blends do you have with
• 1:17:28
  134 companies? I have registered back in 2017
• 1:17:34
  when everybody, you know, it was a scare and well, everybody
• 1:17:37
  know, including myself, of course, like what's going to
• 1:17:40
  happen that the cigarette has to be, you know, the same day that
• 1:17:43
  back in 2027 in March 6 or whatever, what the day, blah,
• 1:17:46
  blah, blah. It has to be registered.
• 1:17:48
  So I registered what I have nine years ago, nine years ago.
• 1:17:52
  I have 750 blends registered with the theory.
• 1:17:57
  That was nine years ago. I got 5.
• 1:18:00
  Hey, hey, I start with one. Everybody start for somewhere.
• 1:18:05
  I start with one. But but people that being with
• 1:18:08
  me at the factory on my own house, that's one thing that I
• 1:18:12
  hate when people say this, I totally hate it.
• 1:18:14
  I'm sorry, I hate it. Oh, it take me 5 years to become
• 1:18:17
  with a blend and I only blend one cigar at a time.
• 1:18:22
  So how old are you? Oh in 60 years, OK, 60 years.
• 1:18:26
  How many lines you have a cigars?
• 1:18:27
  I have 30. So you must be a freaking
• 1:18:30
  vampire because 30 * 5 is 150 already and you only have and
• 1:18:36
  you only 60. So you start a -. 90 is when you
• 1:18:39
  start to blend. I don't know how that works.
• 1:18:41
  You know a couple of minutes to do it and now to have those
• 1:18:46
  tobaccos is where it can take your time.
• 1:18:48
  But I don't believe that nobody gets work in the blend every
• 1:18:52
  five years. It's impossible.
• 1:18:54
  It's impossible. You will be out of business.
• 1:18:56
  It's no way. It's no way like he was saying,
• 1:18:59
  because he was saying I don't want to start with one cigar.
• 1:19:02
  Absolutely not. Start between 3:00 and 5:00 is
• 1:19:05
  the smart thing because the first thing that you do is the
• 1:19:09
  best seller is a home run, perfect, whatever is not.
• 1:19:13
  When you come with the second one, people say, oh, I remember
• 1:19:16
  the other one for the same factory or the same brand, I
• 1:19:18
  don't want it. You go with five and at least
• 1:19:21
  two or three or four, they are going to like.
• 1:19:23
  So when you come next year with another one or two, people say,
• 1:19:26
  Oh yeah, I just want these, these, this and that of this
• 1:19:29
  company. So that's the smart thing to.
• 1:19:31
  Do and I had other companies tell me I had some we're on
• 1:19:34
  another podcast and they said, you know, why did you come out
• 1:19:36
  with five? You don't think that was too
• 1:19:37
  many? And I said no.
• 1:19:39
  When you have to appease this many pallets, my Maduro might
• 1:19:42
  not be your thing, but my Colorado might be your thing.
• 1:19:45
  My Connecticut might be your thing.
• 1:19:47
  You know, Like for me, I thought like everybody's different.
• 1:19:50
  So there's no way you can just nail one cigar and say, you know
• 1:19:53
  what, I'm going to, I'm going to ride that one horse.
• 1:19:56
  I'd rather have five or five fighters in the fight.
• 1:19:59
  Absolutely. And we do do a limit.
• 1:20:02
  I have a limit, OK, There is a lot of people that they say, OK,
• 1:20:05
  I I only going to I'm going to just, you know, test the waters
• 1:20:09
  and I only have enough to make a hundred 200 cigars.
• 1:20:12
  Well, now you have to go with one cigar.
• 1:20:13
  You cannot go with five. But if that cigar is good, you
• 1:20:17
  keep going. I'm going, I'm going, I'm going.
• 1:20:19
  But you are, yes, one to do cigars for a living, nothing
• 1:20:22
  else but cigars you have to sell with more, that's for sure.
• 1:20:25
  But again. Here's my thing.
• 1:20:27
  To you. Here's my thing to you.
• 1:20:30
  You got starting cost. When you send, when you send
• 1:20:34
  cigars, and I say this because I got them the other day, you
• 1:20:37
  don't send Movida packs. Why is?
• 1:20:39
  That no, no, because I live in Florida, Florida right now we
• 1:20:43
  90. No, you see me moving twice when
• 1:20:46
  you guys move in, it's because my I'm in the garage and the
• 1:20:49
  swamp fan. It was just going in my low
• 1:20:52
  parts no up here and I start to sweat.
• 1:20:54
  So my house right now is 97. You feel like a 116th.
• 1:20:58
  If I put a bobita pack over there and I go to the post
• 1:21:01
  office and these guys stay the whole day, that bobita pack is
• 1:21:05
  about 80% possibility will explode and we can explode is
• 1:21:09
  going to damage all the cigars in it.
• 1:21:11
  Now if I was in Alaska, I will put it.
• 1:21:15
  If I was in, I don't know, in another state I will put it, but
• 1:21:19
  in Florida. And I, you know, like I was
• 1:21:22
  saying that my dad when he goes ish didn't send them.
• 1:21:24
  I said because I think his thing is too is when you get them,
• 1:21:28
  they're already ready to smoke anyway.
• 1:21:30
  Yeah, they're ready to smoke. You don't need nothing to.
• 1:21:32
  It so and if they're only if they're only being shipped and
• 1:21:35
  it only takes a couple days to get here, you're not really
• 1:21:37
  losing anything. Well, that's like, that's like
• 1:21:40
  when we were with you at the smoke shop and I said, oh, I got
• 1:21:45
  to put this down for 30 days. You said why?
• 1:21:47
  I said it's got a marinade. You go, shit's already to smoke.
• 1:21:51
  Yeah. If a factory put a cigar out, if
• 1:21:55
  a factory put a cigar out and let out the brand go and, and,
• 1:21:58
  and they just in a hurry or whatever, or they sold and the
• 1:22:02
  cigars are only three days gone and they want to put it out.
• 1:22:05
  I don't see any factory it will even allow to have the cigars
• 1:22:09
  out before they're ready to smoke.
• 1:22:11
  Now, it's not six months, it's not a year, it's not 2 years.
• 1:22:15
  It's not bullshit to send another country and have these
• 1:22:18
  whatever in the Himalayas with the Fuchsi water, you know,
• 1:22:23
  contemplating whatever for three years.
• 1:22:25
  That's fucking bullshit. Cigars.
• 1:22:26
  A cigar. The cigar is already age.
• 1:22:29
  The only thing is no age not know it.
• 1:22:33
  The only thing it is is humid because you have to spray water
• 1:22:36
  into the wrapper for me, you know handible so you can roll
• 1:22:41
  the cigar otherwise you but that takes literally 15 days to go in
• 1:22:48
  and 50 days to go out. So it's 30 days.
• 1:22:50
  So now you want to have a six months, seven months, 8 months,
• 1:22:54
  do whatever you want. People think that the older the
• 1:22:57
  cigars are, the better are like the wine.
• 1:22:59
  I said yes to a point that wine it will become vinage sooner or
• 1:23:03
  later. So you better don't have your
• 1:23:05
  bottle of wine for 20 years waiting for you.
• 1:23:08
  Same thing with cigars. You have a cigar.
• 1:23:10
  Oh, this cigar, it tastes way better than five years ago.
• 1:23:12
  Well, that means that you don't like the strength.
• 1:23:14
  The strength equals nicotine. You don't like nicotine because
• 1:23:17
  it lost. Oh, Lutis rappers have Lutikolo,
• 1:23:20
  the rapper. Well, it's nicotine or it's
• 1:23:22
  because the cigar was painted. So it's too many things that
• 1:23:26
  people, you know, AC the cigar industry is, is it's easy to
• 1:23:30
  know, but very difficult at the same time and very complex.
• 1:23:33
  So you, yeah, if you like a cigar, this cigar in two years
• 1:23:38
  you like better than now. And this cigar has been ready
• 1:23:41
  for the smoke for a year already is because you don't like a high
• 1:23:45
  nicotine contents, that's all. I don't lose nicotine, that's
• 1:23:50
  all. We have to wind down.
• 1:23:53
  I don't know if you guys want to stay on.
• 1:23:54
  We can record another hour off the air.
• 1:23:57
  It's up to you guys. If not, that's fine too.
• 1:24:00
  I'm game with that. Whatever you guys want to do.
• 1:24:01
  Whatever you want to do is, if you got time, you want to hang
• 1:24:04
  out, that's up to you. I have.
• 1:24:06
  About 6 minutes because then talking about TPA, we have a
• 1:24:09
  leader meeting for the TPA board members.
• 1:24:12
  All right, no worries. So.
• 1:24:13
  Guys, this is turnbuckers and Stogie's pot.
• 1:24:15
  I'm the big dog. This the vanilla gorilla.
• 1:24:18
  We had Ishmael, Olivant B AM FTPA and we had Wyndham.
• 1:24:22
  And all cigars get to check out all things cigars.
• 1:24:26
  What is it? All things cigars.com, Right,
• 1:24:28
  ish. That's all.
• 1:24:29
  Yes, all things cigars.com. We have our page, which I think
• 1:24:34
  I'm going to try to use that and kind of start doing some like
• 1:24:37
  typed out reviews on some cigars.
• 1:24:40
  So everybody. OK, this this website is 100%
• 1:24:46
  pay by Cathy Paternity, which is one of the more members or TPA.
• 1:24:52
  Yeah, this team nobody can put it down like you can talk about
• 1:24:57
  cigars and you to go and put it down or the other guy or the
• 1:25:00
  other guy this is not it's private and you can do the same
• 1:25:03
  thing that we're doing over here can be done in the platform so
• 1:25:07
  and nobody can you put you down. So it's the good thing and the
• 1:25:10
  TPA members, they have it very good because I don't know how
• 1:25:14
  many spots still and it was for free for the members and then
• 1:25:18
  it's going to be a little tiny feat for non members.
• 1:25:20
  But yeah, so check it out. I want to ask you this question
• 1:25:26
  real fast. So you got a move with TPA today
• 1:25:29
  or is that just a board? No, today, today I have with
• 1:25:34
  some of the of the board members, no TPA for everyone.
• 1:25:37
  It's for the members to talk about the not even the members,
• 1:25:41
  sorry, it's not yet for the members.
• 1:25:42
  It's for the organizers of the Pensacola which is coming in two
• 1:25:46
  weeks, right. So we have a 12/30, as a matter
• 1:25:50
  of fact, No, sorry. It's at 1:00.
• 1:25:52
  It's at 1:00. So yeah.
• 1:25:53
  And it's, yeah, it's not worth it.
• 1:25:55
  It's at 1:00 when we have it. So it's going to be the people
• 1:25:58
  that you know, it's going to be history.
• 1:26:00
  It's part of them, Kathy's part of them.
• 1:26:02
  Bond by the Leaf is part of them and me.
• 1:26:05
  So it's four different entities that put together the whole
• 1:26:08
  event. And yes, to make sure everything
• 1:26:10
  is paid, everything is done. I have a question, so how does
• 1:26:14
  turnbuckers and smogies get on your pod on?
• 1:26:17
  The The Factory Reserve podcast. How do we what to to the in the
• 1:26:24
  podcast to talk about about the. Things like to get on, to get on
• 1:26:28
  as a guest. Easy whenever you tell me you
• 1:26:31
  you this Monday I have, tomorrow I have somebody but you want
• 1:26:34
  next Monday just let me know is 7:00 my time?
• 1:26:36
  Next Monday? Next Monday is what, the 20th?
• 1:26:39
  Which I'm I'm off that day. Let's do it.
• 1:26:42
  It's 7:00 and we just. Talk shit.
• 1:26:45
  No, I, you know what? I I tuned in.
• 1:26:47
  I tuned in last week when you had Angel on.
• 1:26:50
  Yes. And and that was I, I, I enjoyed
• 1:26:54
  it. We were, I was out with him
• 1:26:56
  doing DoorDash and I just I said, oh, look, ish is live on
• 1:26:58
  Instagram and I clicked it. Then I said, wait a minute, I'm
• 1:27:01
  like, hold on. That's, that's not I know that
• 1:27:03
  setup. I'm like that stream yard.
• 1:27:04
  Wait a minute, where is he? And then when I started doing
• 1:27:07
  some some YouTube search and I found it.
• 1:27:10
  Yeah. And we were watching some of the
• 1:27:13
  episodes and I'm like, that's, that's actually, it's a good
• 1:27:16
  idea to have as a podcast because you can talk about your,
• 1:27:19
  your reserve club, the packs that people have gotten and you
• 1:27:24
  know. I want you to plug your shows.
• 1:27:26
  Yes, go ahead, you got to. Wind down.
• 1:27:28
  So plug all your shows that you do and wind them, plug yours and
• 1:27:32
  then we got to wind down. Go for it.
• 1:27:36
  You can catch us on TikTok, Instagram, Facebook, Windham
• 1:27:39
  Reserve cigars we're on every night.
• 1:27:43
  Yeah, I mean, I'm, I'm usually there for the most part every
• 1:27:45
  night with them hanging out. We're on every night.
• 1:27:48
  We're a new brand, so we're trying to become relevant, you
• 1:27:50
  know what I mean? I need everybody understand that
• 1:27:52
  we're not going to stop brakes. We have no brakes on this bus.
• 1:27:56
  We're free balling there. You go and without the same
• 1:28:00
  thing, it's bounsigas.com or you can go to TPA dot Rocks or you
• 1:28:04
  can go to the factory reserve podcast in YouTube and or you
• 1:28:09
  just Google my name. It will tell you my address and
• 1:28:11
  my phone number. Don't worry about it now don't
• 1:28:13
  come late at night at 2:00 because you maybe get shot.
• 1:28:16
  Other than that, yes. Yes, knocking the door.
• 1:28:19
  But now. Real quick, do you have anything
• 1:28:22
  new coming out as far as cigars? Hey, something coming, something
• 1:28:28
  coming. I just I just what if what is
• 1:28:32
  something coming? Yes, before the end of.
• 1:28:33
  The year now, is it going to be a a robusto size?
• 1:28:36
  Is there going to be a bigger size like this?
• 1:28:39
  Yeah, probably. It's going to be a totem.
• 1:28:40
  It's robusto, but it's just one inch longer.
• 1:28:42
  Right, OK. It's 50.6.
• 1:28:45
  OK. Well, guys, I'd like to thank
• 1:28:47
  you guys for jumping on here. We appreciate.
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  You and as you heard here next, next Monday at 7 O clock the
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  20th, we'll be on the Factory Reserve podcast today.
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  Reserve podcast, yes. Sir, check this out.
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  And on that note, I am the big dog.
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  That's the vanilla gorilla. We had Ishmael, Olivan B AM,
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  FTPA and we had Windham cigars reserved.
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  Yes, I'm glad we can make the connection happen for you guys.
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  Appreciate it. Thank you very much for.
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  Having me thank you deuces. See y'all New York Giants baby.
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