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Star Wars: Episode IV – A New Hope · The Art of Costume Podcast

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  They cannot get away from the Jawa know, maybe this is a place
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  to bring it up since you know, it's a costume podcast.
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  I want to know what's underneath the hood.
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  I want to know children. Oh it's not like that.
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  Welcome to the art of casting block, a simoes, Detroit glass
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  and I'm a Wookie named Spencer that was unexpected.
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  I was practicing my Wookie in the car.
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  This morning. Do you like it?
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  I love it. I love it.
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  It's spot-on. It's spot-on.
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  You know. Just work.
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  Oh. Oh my gosh.
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  I planted some onions teeth. I planted white and yellow
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  onions. Okay.
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  And they started sprouting. Wow.
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  That's something. And they're a little seed
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  starter. That's so So fun.
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  It is, it is I had after this I have to do some yard work so I
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  can like get their bed ready. Yeah.
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  I'm really proud of myself. I'm Pro.
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  V2 is such a good feeling. I'm growing stage and they're
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  like the Little Sprouts too, but I think I messed them up.
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  I don't think they're going to make it, so I might need to
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  start over, but it kind of feels like it's too late to start
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  over, but we'll see. I had, I had some herb plants
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  that I had less left over from last year.
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  And one or two of them, I kept alive for like two years
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  straight and then like our weather has been so weird here,
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  I think they died. I think they just got frozen to
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  death. I mean there comes a certain
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  point here in La where it just gets too aggressively hot and
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  everything just dies which is what happened to me last year.
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  So that's aren't you guys at a drought again or something?
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  Where we ever not in a drought in Los Angeles?
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  I thought you liked had come out of it a little bit and then I
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  just read add something the other day.
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  It was like booop drought. No more Lawns.
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  I like I like every day I don't know how was your week.
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  It was fine. There's a normal week I might be
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  helping a local theater with their costumes.
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  So that's something to look forward to.
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  I love that. Yeah, they're doing the
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  SpongeBob musical. Okay.
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  So every theater doing the SpongeBob musical, I was just
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  reading another designer And like help.
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  I need help. Finding a SpongeBob Musical.
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  Costumes. Maybe I hadn't heard about it
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  than the other week. My manager.
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  I found out about this through my manager.
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  She was like, oh my gosh, that's not drive.
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  Musical did sit sit sit sit, and I was like sponge, but like, I
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  like kind of heard about it and then like, oh yeah, that's
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  another Spider-Man musical. Like waiting to die.
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  No, I believe it's actually a pretty big deal.
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  Yeah, cuz like a million in Two famous artists have cobra in all
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  the songs. She played me a song.
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  It was really good. Cyndi Lauper co-wrote, one of
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  them. Like yeah, it's like wild and I
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  was like oh that's crazy. And you know how I feel about
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  Cyndi Lauper? I love.
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  She's your girl. Wow, that's awesome.
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  Yeah, she that's cool. Speaking of famous girls, you
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  know who I saw? The other night.
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  Oh who do you see Spencer, I thought Florence and the Machine
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  her first performance back in America since before covid.
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  S0 my gosh, I was so excited for you guys.
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  I was like, yes, but you're going to be coming here in
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  October to see her at the Hollywood Bowl to its fans.
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  If you're listening, come hang out with us at the Hollywood
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  Bowl and sometime in October sometime in October.
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  Yeah I actually Ali dropped a bunch of money for to preorder a
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  bunch of her merch for her new album.
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  Let's send them because I went to the UK site.
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  Hmm. And they have signed posters
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  with the cassette bundles for like $35.
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  And I was like, I feel like I should make that purchase, but I
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  spent like an obscene amount of money.
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  Ready? Oh, my gosh.
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  Do you think that's still there? I needed sec.
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  I checked this morning. Was still there.
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  I'll send you. I'll send you the link.
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  I'll check during our break. Yeah, it was a magical magical
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  though. She really brought me back to
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  life. Yeah, we're big Florence and
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  machine fans. Yes.
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  Yes. Well, speaking of magic, I guess
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  we should head out to the outer rim for some good old costumes.
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  Go to a Galaxy long ago. Far Far Away.
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  Something like that. Time ago in a galaxy far.
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  Far away Star Wars, and New Hope took place, and we watched it
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  this week. This is the movie.
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  I'm so excited. And this is the end of our space
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  month to. So we are concluding with one of
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  the greatest space films of all time, one of the greats, one of
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  the greats, you can tell it's great because there's actually a
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  large amount of information out there.
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  I love that about this move. Which like took me back.
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  I bought a whole book. Yes to do.
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  This episode is so it's about to be great.
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  Spencer a summary, it's something about those.
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  John, Marlowe, projects that just are like loaded up with the
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  behind the Wardrobe facts. Yes.
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  Alright, here's our summary for Star Wars, The Imperial forces
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  under orders, from Cruel. Darth Vader.
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  Hold Princess Leia hostage, in their efforts, to quell the
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  Rebellion against a glass. Lactic Empire, Luke Skywalker
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  and Han Solo, captain of the Millennium Falcon work together
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  with the companionable, Droid Duo R2D2 and C3PO to rescue.
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  The beautiful princess help the Rebel Alliance and restore
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  freedom and Justice to the Galaxy, and that is Star Wars A
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  New Hope. That felt ridiculous.
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  How do you all not know what happens in Star Wars?
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  Yeah, you don't know Star Wars, I don't know what to tell ya.
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  Maybe don't, you might not understand any of this.
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  No try harder. You have Disney plus go, watch
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  it. Right?
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  Right. Right.
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  Right. Watch.
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  All of them. But let's jump into this.
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  Let's get behind the Wardrobe. We have director, George, Lucas
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  and costume designer. John Malo.
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  Yes, he's back. He's back.
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  We started space month with him and we're ending space month
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  with Him. Oh yeah, we just do that.
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  Wow, look at us. Look at us having things
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  together, notable work, obviously Star Wars and New Hope
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  originally titled, the Star Wars.
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  They retitled it. I guess, I think when they
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  decided to to the prequels somewhere in there, he also did
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  The Empire Strikes Back gone. D and chaplain with Ellen,
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  Mirage. Nick, I'm very excited about
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  this. I got after being very
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  disappointed that I apparently only had the Star Wars book for
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  the prequels. I bought Star Wars the original
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  trilogy by Brandon Allen GE. This is amazing book is how
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  beautiful it's beautiful. It talks about like one movie.
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  At a time. So like you don't like, it's not
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  like, all over the place. It's beautiful.
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  It's worth the money. And there's a lot of really
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  great quotes in it from just, like everybody involved, except
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  George Lucas. I didn't see any quotes from
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  him, just people quoting things. He said he wasn't interested, he
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  wasn't interested, talk about an interesting person, but One of
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  the things George Lucas is quoted as saying in the book,
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  about the costume is that I don't want any of the costumes,
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  any of the spaceships, and he sets any animals.
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  I don't want anything in the movie to stand out, and that is
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  where they started for the costumes trying to have nothing
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  stand out. Which I'm like, it makes a lot
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  more sense. Now, the costigan's in those
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  first couple movies I'm like you clearly lost This philosophy
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  with the prequel trilogy but, okay, this makes sense.
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  I mean, it's one of my favorite philosophy is in costume
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  designing like, sometimes really great costuming just Fades into
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  the background and it makes it everything feel real.
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  Yeah, I mean that, that is very true.
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  I mean, I love my costume. Dramas.
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  Right. But sometimes, they just got a
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  fade into the background and the first person to help that happen
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  was to decrease. Concept artist Ralph McQuarrie
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  who was the first person Lucas bra on to help him.
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  Not only visualize the world, but also create the First
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  costume. Concepts, McQueary said, George
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  had a lot of ideas about how this picture could look.
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  He wanted to get all this on screen and he could see it.
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  In his mind, he expected for me, the kind of hand that could give
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  the Glorious. Look that he had hoped for the
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  look was almost As interesting or more interesting to him than
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  the plot. So it's like, he's like, I want
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  this big vast World. It needs to look real, it needs
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  to fade, but like the story and the how everything worked was
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  equally as important to him and to achieve this he brought on as
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  we talked about before John Malo, who said something very
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  interesting about the project he said this was the most Amazing
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  kind of film are real thrown together job and that is so
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  clear because Jeff, this point John Malo was not a costume.
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  Designer know, when looking for a costume designer, George Lucas
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  wanted someone who was familiar with the uniforms and had
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  experience on Military films. So, he reached out to Italian
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  costume designer, Molina Cannon Arrow, who designed the Wardrobe
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  for Barry. The London, which I think we
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  should watch. I saw some like pictures from
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  and I was like, this looks interesting.
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  Yeah, we've brought it up now, twice in the past month.
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  So we need to think about this. Anyway, unfortunately can an
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  arrow was like, I have another project but I know this guy,
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  John Marlowe, who was the technical advisor on Barry,
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  London and coming from a family that Military uniforms and
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  published books on military dress is that which book I have
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  had this for years. I had no idea who John Mala was.
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  It's just something I've had I don't even know.
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  Wow, where I got it from no idea where this came from.
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  It's both it's like before Star Wars cuz like his big work thing
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  that he worked on is Barry London.
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  Like that's what his like in the Gription, you know of like the
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  author's. Yeah like that's what it talks
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  about. Oh my gosh, that's amazing.
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  I feel sick right now. It is uniforms of the American
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  Revolution, by John Malo and Malcolm McGregor.
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  Wow, that is crazy. So for a lack of better word, he
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  was a little perfect for at least his military knowledge
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  made him the ideal Technical advisor on films like The Charge
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  of the Light Brigade, very London, and many others.
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  Mala said, Molina rang me up and asked if I was doing anything
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  for the next six months because there was a science fiction to
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  run so I said yes. Why not that's fucking tell
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  Molly thing. This a British thing to say
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  they're just like oh yeah sure I suppose was it called Star Wars
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  sir It's funny how many people agreed to do stuff for this film
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  who were had no idea what was going on.
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  Hey man, no one's asked me to work on a Star Wars yet, right?
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  I just want to be randomly called up.
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  And so Milo started with 16 weeks of prep and queries
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  concept art, which he said, took the place of historical
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  reference in a scene. So he studied the concepts the
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  scripts. Prepare for his first sit-down
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  with Lucas where he was given very Broad and strange
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  Direction. He said, George made
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  pronouncements of a general nature.
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  He wanted the Imperial people to look very efficient and
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  totalitarian and fascist, all that sort of things, the rebels,
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  he wanted to look a bit like something out of a western or US
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  Marines in Vietnam. Then Lucas told him, you've got
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  a very difficult job here. I Don't want anyone to notice
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  the costumes. I just want them to sort of look
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  at the costumes, but not notice them.
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  They've got to look familiar but not familiar at the same time.
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  Okay, this quote bothers me a little bit.
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  I'm like, first of all george lucas the such like a baby
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  director, this point, and John Malo, is not even a costume
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  designer. The nerve of these two to be
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  like, I'm working off new film called Star Wars.
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  Also, I want anyone to notice the costume I feel like sit down
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  sir. Let's let's let's talk about
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  this. Yes, well Malo, try to get more
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  direction from Lucas but only managed to get that.
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  The bad guys should be wearing dark colors.
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  The good guys should be in Earth Tones, and there should be no
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  fastenings showing no buttons, no zippers, no nothing.
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  Okay, Lucas, Lucas didn't want any buttons or zippers showing.
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  Apparently, this was a very big deal.
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  They're like, which I never Noticed but you cannot see any
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  fastenings in those movies. Yeah I mean it's a salt point it
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  is very sci-fi now that I think of it.
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  Yeah like they just don't exist. So with those vague orders from
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  Lucas Malo hired Ron Beck as his wardrobe Master.
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  Believe that is probably a British way to say wardrobe
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  supervisor. I like that.
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  Which yeah, I'm like, I feel like that's better.
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  Set up the wardrobe department and get going.
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  However, the budget for wardrobe was less than idea and renting
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  was going to be their best option.
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  Somaliland Beck got a model a Polaroid camera and went to
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  Berman's and Nathan's to see what they could find.
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  So at the top, you will see their budget.
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  Oh my gosh, 1,000 pounds, or in u.s. dollars.
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  Two two two two hundred and two thousand seven hundred and
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  seventy one dollars translated to 2022.
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  That's 1 million twenty four thousand five, hundred and sixty
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  dollars and Seventeen cents. Wow.
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  So not a lot. No, good luck.
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  Not a lot for something that was so expansive.
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  And this is we're just still like no Fasteners no, this is
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  This is the 70s they didn't really have too much CGI if any.
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  So all the extras are extras, you gotta dress everybody.
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  And there are a lot of extras in this movie.
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  Yeah. So they went to the famous
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  Berman's and Nathan's. Spencer, do you want a little
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  history lesson on Berman's and Nathan's costumer?
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  Of course, yes. Well, Berman's began as a
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  military, tailor shop in London in the year. 1900 with the
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  Advent of film, their business, grew immensely and by 1971 they
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  had branches in Hollywood Paris, Rome and Madrid Nathan's had an
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  even longer history. Nathan's was slappa shhhhht in
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  1790 as a fancy dress supplier for theaters circuses and
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  exhibitions the company also grew.
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  The film industry. And in 1971, the nascent Nathan
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  family, relinquish control of the company and it was acquired
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  by Monty Berman in 1972, thus merging the two businesses.
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  Dennis Fitzgerald who worked as a costumer her called first
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  hearing of the production coming to Berman's in Nathan's.
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  He said, we knew John Marlowe very well because he had been a
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  military advisor. I got a call from Bob worth.
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  Saying they wanted me to work on a sci-fi film with John, which
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  was a really strange thing because that's the last thing in
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  the world. You would expect him to follow
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  on a sci-fi film. Literally everybody's confused,
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  bro. Your confuse, I'm confused so
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  Burns and Nathan's. They created the costumes on a
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  make for hire. Business model to keep the costs
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  low because they had no money, however, that also meant that
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  Berman's and Nathan's got to keep them as part of their
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  stock, once tooling was complete years.
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  Later, lucasfilm purchased all the costumes for their archive
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  except for what have gone missing from their stock.
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  So there are just Star Wars costumes floating around out
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  there. I'm sure they've been found at
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  this point. Someone's just not saying
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  anything. Probably some Star Wars.
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  People are crazy and would probably just keep it till they
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  died. Yeah.
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  Um, surprisingly Berman's in Athens, no longer exists.
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  They were bought by Angels, the costumers in 1992.
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  Hmm. So, if you want the premier
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  costumes in the UK Angels, is your, is your best bet nowadays.
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  Well, thank you for sharing. This is actually very
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  fascinating because I'd actually heard of angels, I'd wanted.
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  Could go Apprentice there at one point but um, that just sounds
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  expensive and I have too much student debt.
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  Anyways, anyways, after their trip to Berman's in Nathan's
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  they put on a sort of fashion show for Lucas to decide what
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  they did and did not like in terms of style.
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  Mala said, for instance, Darth Vader has this black motorcycle
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  suit on and not see helmet. Gas mask and amongst cloak, we
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  found in the Middle Ages department.
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  So they put this together and show it to Luke, I'm just like,
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  wow, this must have been wild times getting this together
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  after that which it was apparently very successful way
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  of trying to figure things out following his team.
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  Got to work making him putting together.
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  The Wardrobe with a fry killer input from Lucas as back
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  explain. Means Georgia was wonderful.
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  He used to come into the Wardrobe department when we were
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  playing around with Stormtroopers and all that sort
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  of thing. And would put his two pennies in
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  like it was, it was inevitable because we were on strange
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  Uncharted lands, which is like true.
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  It's true. However, it worked out because
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  in March 1978 malas costumes, not meant, to be noticed,
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  received the academy Award for best costume design and Remains
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  the only space fantasy to win the award.
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  Well, I mean to this day, it's still kind of like gives me
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  chills a little bit, the whole, the whole dumpster fire that
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  this was turn out to be one of the most legendary costume,
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  designing jobs ever truly. Truly, it was like, Hey, I know
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  you've never done this before, but could you be our costume
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  designer on this really big film that unbeknownst to us, is going
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  to be a worldwide sensation and generate.
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  It's of dollars. Okay?
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  We should play the clip from his award speech right here.
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  Yeah. Daniel, if you can find that
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  Daniel insert, I have it. I'll give it to him.
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  In. Star Wars are really not so much
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  costumes as bit of plumbing and general automobile engineering.
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  Anyway, my thanks to George and Gary and particularly to the
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  Wardrobe Department, especially Ron Beck and to all of you for
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  giving me this very happy tribute, thank you very much.
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  So great that so much. I love it too.
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  And I can't wait to get into this and give you all the good.
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  All the good facts, I found. Let's take a little break and
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  then get into it. Take a break.
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  You will? That was Yoda I think I'll stick
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  the Japonica. Yeah, I think they're
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  Chewbacca's better. Everybody practice your
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  Chewbacca impression. Hi.
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  Okay, Elizabeth. Are you ready to get boarded by
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  the Imperial Empire? Oh, am I ever however, C-3PO and
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  R2-D2 not quite as ready. Well, you know what?
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  I take that back. R2D2's ready.
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  C-3PO. Not so much our to ready.
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  Are you ready? R2D2 stays ready.
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  So he doesn't have to get ready. Yeah, he's always on it.
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  He is always on it C-3PO. On the other hand, he's not good
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  with this sort of thing, not good with this sort of thing at
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  all, but he does look good. And the query actually said that
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  this was the first piece of concept art that he finished the
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  very First. Oh, wow.
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  And this was the direction he got from George.
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  He said, George said he really liked the Metropolis.
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  Robot accept it. Should look like a boy instead
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  of a girl. George.
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  Lucas a man of many words, right?
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  Right. I'm like, at least this was a
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  little clearer, um, however, to create the suit for actor.
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  Anthony Daniels was unclear at Just they really kind of
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  struggled with this one. Yeah.
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  But you can definitely see the Metropolis influence.
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  It's like pretty clear. I always feel so bad for Anthony
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  Daniels, that looks rough right right.
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  And it was rough for everybody involved prop, man, Bryan Loftus
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  said about the suit. It was first offered to the
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  costume department, but they said that's far.
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  R2 industrial. So it was handed off to the prop
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  department and in fact C-3PO became a prop effectively know
• 26:08
  which I'm like oh man is an actor in there sir.
• 26:18
  But Bryan, Loftus. He was the prop man who dressed
• 26:22
  annuals on all three of the original films.
• 26:26
  Now, before prop, Really took it over.
• 26:29
  It was up to art director, Norman Reynolds, and modeler
• 26:34
  Lismore to translate translate in the queries design into molds
• 26:40
  paying particular attention to the face.
• 26:44
  Barry said, Lismore modeled nine phases and we stood them up at
• 26:49
  head, height all the way around the stage there except well
• 26:52
  apart. So they didn't interfere with
• 26:54
  one another and George should look at them and decide which
• 26:57
  one said there. Right thing, he wanted to say so
• 27:00
  they were just like, heads all over the place which one the
• 27:06
  same was done for the body's more sculpted once approved.
• 27:10
  They created different pieces that were cast from fiberglass
• 27:15
  which I'm like, ooh, real comfy, I tried using fiberglass.
• 27:20
  Once I do not recommend, if you are not a skilled artisan and
• 27:27
  vacuum form Plastic. And then was given to Reynolds
• 27:32
  and props, they ultimately had limited fittings with Anthony,
• 27:38
  due to his schedule, and another project.
• 27:41
  So to figure out how to fit the pieces over the black leotard
• 27:47
  under fiberglass and plastic pieces, but they ultimately made
• 27:52
  it work after some last-minute additions to exposed wires.
• 27:56
  The team was done creating the costumes.
• 27:58
  Tomb, but the maintenance needed to keep the costume wearable and
• 28:04
  fill mobile had just begun. Well said we had to have lots of
• 28:10
  spare parts as he was moving around the set, things would
• 28:13
  fall apart. We needed constant repairs.
• 28:16
  Can you imagine? This is so aggravating.
• 28:22
  I'm just like, this seems like a bunch of people.
• 28:25
  I like most of the, like, the crew.
• 28:28
  Had a lot of experience but also I think they just didn't know
• 28:31
  what to do with a sci-fi film like this.
• 28:34
  It's a miracle that A New Hope came out the way it did because
• 28:38
  it is empirical guards are really stacked against it at
• 28:41
  this point, right also, while they were maintaining the suit,
• 28:47
  they also had to be careful with how shiny C-3PO was the cost.
• 28:53
  The, the camera Department had to continually coat that The
• 28:58
  costume with a dulling spray. So the crews equipment, when it
• 29:02
  be reflected in it, occasionally, they had painters.
• 29:09
  Who would have to be brought on to ensure.
• 29:11
  Nothing could be seen reflected in this Zoo.
• 29:14
  They had a literally, like, go in there and like dirty him up
• 29:17
  and paint them up. So that nothing reflected.
• 29:21
  The Troublesome costume was upgraded to be more durable for
• 29:25
  The Empire Strikes Back. And then minor, Vacations were
• 29:30
  made for a Return of the Jedi. The costume was put into storage
• 29:34
  and decades decades later refurbish so it could be two
• 29:38
  used on the Star Wars prequels. Wow, the same suit.
• 29:44
  Remember that quote from Dracula?
• 29:46
  I believe is Gary Oldman? Well was Gary, Oldman when he
• 29:48
  was wearing the red, I like soup from the beginning and he said
• 29:51
  it felt like he was in like a car accident.
• 29:55
  That's all I can think of this entire time.
• 29:58
  Anthony Daniels. He was probably just like oh get
• 30:01
  me out of this but it seems like he was a real sport about it.
• 30:06
  He just was like, okay I guess this is my job.
• 30:10
  Yeah. I mean back then 495 back then
• 30:13
  they can be like, oh, just so you know you're going to be part
• 30:15
  of this cool thing for the next you know, 40 plus years.
• 30:19
  But oh my gosh at for the second film, they were talking like
• 30:23
  they hired an outside company to like, sort of like let's make it
• 30:27
  lighter. Let's make it better for him.
• 30:28
  Like they had more money this time around so they were like
• 30:32
  let's make this better. The company like completely
• 30:36
  ruined. It was too small.
• 30:39
  No man, they were like it was just too small to fit on him
• 30:42
  like he literally couldn't get it on and they're like, well I
• 30:45
  guess we already figured it out but C-3PO is not the only type
• 30:54
  of new character we get introduced to.
• 30:56
  We also get introduced to Some Rebel guard with these, very fun
• 31:03
  hats that were modeled after American Naval Gunnery helmets,
• 31:10
  except with a plate stuck on the back and a visor on the front, I
• 31:18
  always loved these helmets. I just never understood them by
• 31:21
  love them, right? And I like when he said like,
• 31:24
  oh, thanks need to look familiar but not familiar, like this is
• 31:27
  what he's talking about because it's Once you know the reference
• 31:30
  you're like, oh yeah, like I understand like where you were
• 31:35
  coming from. Yeah, I know why it looks like
• 31:38
  Vaguely Familiar, but I don't like I would never be able to
• 31:42
  place it without someone telling me like, hey, this is what it's
• 31:45
  based off of. Yeah.
• 31:48
  We also get introduced to the scary man, himself, Darth Vader?
• 31:54
  Yes. Finally, finally, performed by
• 31:58
  By David pros and voiced by James.
• 32:02
  Earl Jones who lent uncredited. Well, who, in the first two
• 32:06
  films. Yes, so I was trying to figure
• 32:09
  this out and I could not find like a direct quote from him,
• 32:14
  but like apparently he was like, he felt like his voice was more
• 32:19
  of an effect, like a special effect, then an actual like
• 32:23
  performance And then also, he was still kind of like an
• 32:28
  up-and-coming actor and didn't want to be Typecast.
• 32:31
  Hmm, those were the two also. A lot of people were very wary
• 32:35
  about how well Star Wars was going to do right by people
• 32:39
  thought it was gonna tank their careers.
• 32:41
  Yeah, I mean, so far I would understand that feeling.
• 32:45
  Yeah, but that's shocking even for the second film because, you
• 32:50
  know, he has some big moments in the second film, right?
• 32:54
  Apparently, for the He only did like two and a half hours of
• 32:57
  work where I'm like, that's right.
• 33:01
  Um, I'm like okay, like I can kind of understand the first
• 33:04
  film being like I just provided a voice like whatever.
• 33:08
  However, nobody told David proce this was gonna happen and
• 33:13
  apparently, the man was just like livid about it.
• 33:16
  Yeah, they're cute. We just need you to walk around
• 33:19
  sir. Apparently, he was apparently
• 33:21
  very upset, very upset about it. I'm shocked.
• 33:24
  They cannot believe. If someone was disgruntled on
• 33:27
  this set. Yeah.
• 33:29
  But he sounds like he's also like kind of a dick about it,
• 33:32
  like, was spoiling things back in the day.
• 33:36
  That's Darth Vader for you, right?
• 33:39
  He's a, he's a real tricky guy. You know, real tricky and
• 33:47
  McQueary said about the kind of feeling Lucas wanted for Darth
• 33:52
  Vader. He said for Darth Vader.
• 33:55
  He just He would like to have a very tall, dark fluttering,
• 33:59
  figure that had a spooky feeling, like it came on the
• 34:03
  winds, like knocking out the park again, George Lucas with,
• 34:08
  uh, your direction. I need to have a conversation,
• 34:14
  George Lucas after this, this is getting ridiculous.
• 34:17
  It's like okay that this came together with the way it said.
• 34:22
  Yeah. But you know, The direction,
• 34:26
  worked the direction, worked in the end.
• 34:30
  And for Vader's costume, you query said George, mentioned the
• 34:35
  look of Arab costumes with the figures all tied up in silk and
• 34:39
  Rags. So, while he took this direction
• 34:43
  from his original inspiration molotow, very something
• 34:47
  different from his sketches. Yeah, so I'm Aquarius, like got
• 34:51
  it dark fluttering pair of costumes.
• 34:54
  Okay, I was like, hmm, Nazi and German Soldier.
• 35:00
  I knew it. He's like he said, have you ever
• 35:04
  heard of World War One? Well Malo said that Vader looks
• 35:08
  very much like McQueary sketches.
• 35:11
  He does not see the Arab inspiration and no Milo said to
• 35:15
  me the costumes look like a Nazi helmet and pieces of trench
• 35:20
  armor that they wore in the first world war.
• 35:22
  Yes exactly. Yeah.
• 35:27
  Sure sure. Lucas your direction is just
• 35:29
  astounding but you gotta say it created something great.
• 35:34
  So he like I don't see how it works.
• 35:39
  Yeah. Who are we to judge?
• 35:40
  George Lucas obviously worked out but I'm just like I could
• 35:43
  imagine myself back in the day being like what the hell does
• 35:46
  that mean? Yeah, Maulana explains that to
• 35:50
  bring Bader to life took the combined effort of his
• 35:54
  production team. And the Berman's costumers.
• 35:58
  It was a technical challenge. Follow said it was going to be
• 36:02
  very uncomfortable so it was made in pieces so you could take
• 36:06
  bits off on set. So he was like yeah you're going
• 36:09
  to be hot and sweaty and uncomfortable.
• 36:13
  Yeah that's like a whole leather suit under there.
• 36:17
  Darth Vader's all Anthony Daniels walked by and he was
• 36:19
  like oh shit, you probably thought I was like hi, how I
• 36:25
  have a tiny He bit better but okay.
• 36:28
  Um, but yeah, it's wild. It's like, oh yeah.
• 36:31
  That's a Nazi hat. That's trench armor.
• 36:34
  Okay. Yeah, and then for his most
• 36:38
  iconic piece, the helmet, the query Drew inspiration from
• 36:45
  Samurai Warriors and fishermen hats.
• 36:48
  However, the helmet was not supposed to be a permanent part
• 36:52
  of the costume at first, in an early draft of the script.
• 36:56
  Darth Vader was supposed to jump from his ship to the rebel ship
• 37:00
  through space and being practical.
• 37:03
  McQueary new bidder would need a space helmet to breathe and
• 37:08
  survive the jump. He said, I came up with this
• 37:12
  goggle. Look with the snout with the
• 37:15
  little slots that looked like teeth and so forth.
• 37:19
  And Lucas was just like, oh yeah, I like that, we're gonna
• 37:23
  keep it right there. Helmet sounds good, but helmet
• 37:30
  was created by modeler, Brian mirror, along with John Berry
• 37:35
  and Norman Reynolds in the art Department in the book.
• 37:39
  They say after using the Darth Vader costume for promotional
• 37:42
  appearances to promote the film. It is not known whether the
• 37:46
  original costume still exists. Oh, the Darth Vader costume.
• 37:52
  Just went missing this checks out.
• 37:55
  Doesn't surprise me at all at this point right there.
• 37:59
  Just I love how George is just like oh this is that people come
• 38:03
  back like this. And he's like yes that's that's
• 38:07
  definitely what I was thinking, for sure.
• 38:09
  Yeah. Just like I just, I love the
• 38:13
  Darth Vader costume. It just is so iconic, and it is
• 38:16
  very dark. And it does to me like the first
• 38:18
  thing I think of is like, you know, Nazi war armor, the helmet
• 38:23
  and everything. So I just, you know, while Well,
• 38:26
  they do not seem to know what they were doing on set.
• 38:29
  It really plays to the whole story as a whole, and it's just,
• 38:33
  you know, still one of those like most iconic villain,
• 38:35
  costumes of all time. Exactly.
• 38:37
  It just says bad guy. Like that's what it says.
• 38:41
  It's Roz fear out of people, you know, like even in a films
• 38:44
  coming out today like Rogue one when you just see him in the
• 38:47
  hallway, it's like, yeah, it's scary.
• 38:50
  Even though the costume is actually quite ridiculous when
• 38:53
  you like, actually, take time to look at it.
• 38:55
  But it's still scary somehow. Yeah, you break it down.
• 38:58
  You're like oh, that's silly but like one in the movie you're
• 39:01
  like, oh I don't want to meet that person.
• 39:04
  No, I just don't and thankfully C-3PO and R2-D2.
• 39:09
  Get away from Darth Vader, but they cannot get away from the
• 39:13
  Jawa know, maybe this is a place to bring it up since you know,
• 39:20
  it's a costume podcasts. I want to know what's underneath
• 39:23
  the hood. I want to know children.
• 39:26
  Oh, I did not like that. What did they look like?
• 39:38
  Well let's let me tell you sensors, okay.
• 39:41
  Hello said they're not concept drawings for the Jawas so they
• 39:46
  had to be designed. They were supposed to look like
• 39:48
  little rats, sort of grimy and filthy they were supposed to be
• 39:52
  very nasty. George really?
• 39:55
  Went quite filthy with them. Mmm, after some Originals
• 40:00
  designs were rejected by Lucas Malo, went with a simple design
• 40:06
  of a mask made of a stocking with bulbs, that would
• 40:10
  illuminate when the hood was pulled all the way over their
• 40:13
  heads and simple Brown and orange robes with simple leather
• 40:18
  accessories. Most of the Jawas were children
• 40:21
  of the production staff or local children when they were on.
• 40:25
  Location in Tunisia, with the Lee Jawa being played by Jack a
• 40:30
  Purvis. I love this.
• 40:33
  There's like bring all your kids to work.
• 40:36
  We need a lot of kids, a lot of Jawas also I can imagine this is
• 40:40
  a point when John Marlowe was designed a Jawa and he was like,
• 40:43
  the hell am I doing, right? He's like, I just worked on
• 40:47
  Charge of the Light Brigade. What am I doing here?
• 40:52
  Like I just worked just for giving my opinion.
• 40:54
  What am I doing, right? But they are not.
• 41:01
  The only ones we meet on tattoo, we really Uncle Owen and little
• 41:08
  farm boy, Luke Skywalker. Well, it's such a big moment.
• 41:14
  Also, I always loved how they called him a farm boy, I'm like,
• 41:17
  where's the farm? They have a moisture Farm.
• 41:20
  They harvest moisture, okay, I know I'm like, I don't know.
• 41:25
  Know how that works. But okay, very erectus of them.
• 41:30
  Very do me, right, dude, inspired all inspired all mhm.
• 41:37
  Well, Luke was originally meant to have a Flash Gordon
• 41:40
  inspiration. It was decided that he should
• 41:43
  have a simpler more, quote Farm Boy, looked at him.
• 41:47
  Hmm, Milo says Luke was inspired really by a Saxon sort of
• 41:52
  costume. He was very simple Homespun.
• 41:55
  Three boy and when you wanted something which was comfortable
• 41:59
  and very simple, Lucas decided he wanted.
• 42:03
  Luke stop to have more of a Japanese influence and Malo went
• 42:08
  from there. Another kind of thrown together.
• 42:12
  Look the pants were colorless Levi's denim the shoes suede
• 42:19
  slip on Chelsea boots with quote puppet knee-high wraps.
• 42:27
  I'm like just throw in Chelsea's on Luke Skywalker.
• 42:31
  Like I love this. Also just something I'm point
• 42:34
  out since you know, we did the alien episode 2 just how many of
• 42:38
  these sci-fi directors are being inspired by like Japanese
• 42:41
  clothing at this point. Yeah.
• 42:43
  I mean in Darth Vader's helmet Luke Skywalker John Marlowe and
• 42:48
  Ridley Scott to can allow Japanese influences also on
• 42:51
  alien. Yeah yeah I mean after World War
• 42:54
  Two Japan and the US had an extremely close relationship,
• 42:59
  and there was a lot of, like, cultural influence going to and
• 43:03
  from America at the time. So I think that's probably part
• 43:07
  of it. Fun fact, a lot of my queries,
• 43:12
  the original concept art for Luke to picked him, as being
• 43:15
  female. Hmm.
• 43:16
  Which one you look at them? I'm like, oh I see a little bit
• 43:20
  of Ray song. Like, I wonder if they took
• 43:23
  these as inspiration for the new one.
• 43:25
  Ones. That's such a cool point.
• 43:27
  I love that but we have Uncle Owen and Aunt, beru looking
• 43:33
  adorable, I always forget because like the way they're
• 43:36
  treated in these first that I always forget, they have a whole
• 43:39
  scene together a whole scene together and then just up and
• 43:43
  murder. Yeah.
• 43:44
  When I re-watched it for the podcast, I was like, wait what I
• 43:48
  remember this right? I was like I love how our Peru
• 43:52
  is so 70s. And this moment I know that.
• 43:55
  Was good, Gary to say like, she is so familiar to me.
• 43:59
  She reminds me of, like, one of my friends, grandmother's
• 44:02
  actually who just passed, but like, this is her to a tee like
• 44:06
  wearing that very 70s. Almost.
• 44:08
  Looks like a denim jacket with, like this really great collar.
• 44:11
  It looks like she's collar. It looks like she's from like,
• 44:14
  70s Britain. Yeah, she just looks like a
• 44:18
  sweet old guy. Am I?
• 44:19
  And then Uncle Owens played by Phil Brent Brown and a Korea was
• 44:26
  played by Shayla Frazier and I'm like so adorable.
• 44:29
  So the adorable to Banner, they have to get wrecked and a couple
• 44:33
  scenes, right? Right.
• 44:35
  Also who almost gets wrecked is Luke from this and people
• 44:41
  McQueary said that the Sam people they are a life form are
• 44:46
  humanoid form. That is sort of damaged they
• 44:49
  kind of mutated and their parts. Don't all work the way they
• 44:53
  should which is why they Of this very like bandaged like thrown
• 44:59
  together appearance. So I think technically they're
• 45:02
  supposed to be human but like yeah, I don't know.
• 45:06
  I guess living in the desert. Has me them a little little off.
• 45:09
  It's one of the most fascinating costumes to me like ever,
• 45:13
  because I've never been able to understand the same people, but
• 45:16
  they're so tired. Flying and mysterious, right?
• 45:19
  And everyone keeps saying oh, they're like kind of humanoid
• 45:21
  and I'm like well where show me, so I'm actually very excited, we
• 45:25
  all Call Elizabeth. And I working on a special
• 45:28
  interview of someone who might have worked on the new recent.
• 45:32
  Star Wars shows that created a lot of those costumes.
• 45:36
  So I'm hoping when that happens, we could maybe dive a little bit
• 45:39
  deeper into these sand people. Get a little more behind the
• 45:43
  scenes, but yeah, as a kid I always thought like that was
• 45:47
  their head. I thought that was like their
• 45:49
  head and then like, when I was watching some of the new Star
• 45:52
  Wars shows, I took her to me for the first time that like, oh no.
• 45:55
  That's a mask, right? Well, I think so, like I'm not
• 46:01
  ready to bet money on it. Yeah, I'm pretty sure now, it's
• 46:05
  like a mask with, like little like breathing things and
• 46:08
  whatnot and I'm just like, Sam people are fascinating.
• 46:11
  Yeah, it's we could do a whole podcast on this and people, we
• 46:15
  probably could but luckily, Luke gets saved by Obi-Wan Kenobi.
• 46:25
  Over. I don't know.
• 46:26
  Hurry, love. I love that.
• 46:27
  Like, he's a Hermit but everybody knows who he is my
• 46:31
  favorite part. Actually, one of my favorite
• 46:32
  costumes. Maybe this is my one, custom
• 46:34
  rule them all. So when the San people are
• 46:36
  trying to bang up on Luke and Ben Kenobi shows up and is like
• 46:41
  Hood but it's not everyone's so scared but it's really not.
• 46:45
  We look closely. It's just a man in a big rope.
• 46:48
  He's just waving his arms back and forth like a Unlike I think
• 46:57
  he thought he was at a rave for a second.
• 46:59
  Not so good. Not trying to chase off the sand
• 47:05
  people. John Marlowe, probably watch
• 47:07
  that too. And he's like, oh man sir.
• 47:10
  Alec Guinness was probably like, what did I sign up for?
• 47:14
  Yeah, but, you know, this costume is great because it has
• 47:19
  stabbed you. It establishes.
• 47:20
  The look of the Jedi Milo said his costume.
• 47:25
  Mm seems to have turned into this sort of costume of the
• 47:29
  Jedi, Knight really, which it has, and it wasn't meant to be.
• 47:34
  He also said that. In terms of inspiration, Ben,
• 47:38
  Kenobi was supposed to be partly samurai warrior and partly, a
• 47:42
  sort of Monk or priest, and Lucas had actually imagined
• 47:48
  Japanese actor, toshiro, mifune, who from Samurai in the Hidden
• 47:56
  Forest to play Obi-Wan one first, discussing like these
• 48:02
  costumes, which got me thinking, I was like, hmm.
• 48:07
  If they had cast him, who would have been cast as young?
• 48:11
  Obi-Wan Kenobi, like, who would have it been?
• 48:15
  And I was like, it would have been hero, hero, yuki-san,
• 48:20
  Donna. Oh man.
• 48:21
  I love that, man. He's such a great actor,
• 48:24
  hiroyuki Key. Yeah, I'm like because I was
• 48:28
  like, hmm, because I'm like, let's activate the place.
• 48:35
  He's another one of those men who's also like aging, like fine
• 48:39
  wine. Oh yeah.
• 48:40
  Oh yes sir. I'm guessing you didn't see him
• 48:42
  in Mortal Combat, but he plays Scorpion, and I was like, no
• 48:45
  choice. But anyway, that was like a side
• 48:53
  search. This is why it took me so long
• 48:55
  to put this Yeah, people are listening to like, what are we
• 48:57
  talking about? Obi-Wan Kenobi, Obi-Wan Kenobi.
• 49:02
  But as pre-production for grass, or Alec Guinness was cast and
• 49:06
  the design was simplified and given a great deal of
• 49:10
  distressing. There's all sorts of little
• 49:12
  like, men's and likes like wraps and scratches in that costume
• 49:17
  because they wanted it to be like, oh, he's had this for a
• 49:19
  very long time which I'm like, I don't think Obi-Wan Kenobi would
• 49:23
  have just kept wearing his original like, Like Jedi, Knight
• 49:26
  robes, but okay, yeah, I mean I don't like I said, at this
• 49:31
  point, I don't feel like they really knew what they were doing
• 49:33
  side. Go get her to do it again.
• 49:35
  Did probably change it. But I mean it was iconic and it
• 49:38
  did end up, you know, describing the Jedi robes later on.
• 49:43
  But yeah, for sure. Obi-Wan Kenobi would not keep
• 49:46
  wearing these robes, it would have drew a little bit of
• 49:48
  attention. If he actually have like the
• 49:51
  Jedi inquisitors looking for him at this point, which we're gonna
• 49:55
  see In the new show coming out like tomorrow.
• 49:59
  I love how he's also talking like still referring to himself
• 50:03
  as Ben Kenobi. Unlike.
• 50:04
  Yes. That's very different from your
• 50:07
  name. Totally.
• 50:09
  Keep it new secret. Obi-Wan.
• 50:12
  You know, maybe let's take a break and think of some better
• 50:15
  ways. Obi-Wan could have kept his eyes
• 50:17
  like see when he changes his name to Sean, I'll go Venus
• 50:21
  characters. Like you came up with Sean, that
• 50:24
  was your disguise name. But what was it?
• 50:28
  That was what you might call me Ben.
• 50:30
  Yeah, yeah, everybody. Let's take a break and think of
• 50:33
  your, your better hidden name for Obi-Wan Kenobi.
• 50:54
  Hi. This is Dan.
• 50:56
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  Spencer, what better name did you come up with?
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  I was thinking like Garrett Kenobi, that would have really
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  threw everyone off his scent. Yeah, I think he should have
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  went with Anakin Kenobi and just really that really messed with
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  his mind that With a pissed-off Darth Vader.
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  I cannot wait for this new Obi-Wan Kenobi show, right?
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  I cannot believe. We're going to see the Darth
• 52:07
  Vader armor once again and Ewan McGregor plane, Obi-Wan Kenobi.
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  It's just so fascinating. I mean, the idea that Hayden
• 52:15
  Christensen is going to be inside, that armor is just
• 52:19
  incredibly wild to me, and I'm obsessed with it and I can't
• 52:22
  wait for everyone to see it, especially if the Jedi He's
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  coming back. I'm a big Star Wars nerd.
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  I love the cartoons. This is going to be a great
• 52:31
  show. I'm excited.
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  I'm particularly excited for Hayden Christensen because I
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  feel like that poor man has like not hat.
• 52:39
  Star Wars, destroyed his career, a little bit.
• 52:42
  I think, the way people have treated, some of these Star
• 52:45
  Wars, actors is absolutely disgusting.
• 52:47
  The Jar Jar Binks actor. People are terrible to him.
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  Yes, it doesn't mean I like, Jar Jar Binks but like really, Kid
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  who played young Anakin and Hayden Christensen himself.
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  Yeah, I'm like, they received terrible Direction, anything
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  wrong with those movies. There's only one person to
• 53:07
  blame, I won't say who it is. I think we all know, speaking of
• 53:17
  people to blame when things go wrong, we have the Imperial
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  officers being evil and terrible.
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  I love the Imperial officers because their costumes are just
• 53:30
  so endlessly, fascinating to me, right?
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  And like I honestly like I love them but I really didn't think
• 53:36
  about them too much until I was reading this book and like John
• 53:42
  Marlowe said earlier George. Wanted the Imperial commanders
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  and officers to look efficient totalitarian fascist so they
• 53:52
  were like well we got to do this on a budget.
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  This has got to be Budget film. So for the Imperial officers,
• 53:59
  they considered using stock uniforms from Berman's and
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  Nathan's. They looked at World War 1, June
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  German uniforms from the 1960s, film The Blue Max and the 1960s
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  adaptation of Fahrenheit 451 as well as some others.
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  However, they decided to manufacture their own in black
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  and all of taking elements from all the uniforms they
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  considered. So they were like, we're really
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  going to try to do this budget friendly.
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  Yeah, this is John models. Time to shine right here.
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  This is a cup of tea. Yeah.
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  And then he was like, well, let's just take a little bit of
• 54:41
  everything and and make our own, but I'm like, wow, you can
• 54:45
  really see like the inspiration, especially from Fahrenheit 451
• 54:51
  like very similar, very similar. Yeah.
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  I mean just a Silhouettes just really I mean they're evil but
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  also the silhouette of the uniforms are so beautiful.
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  It's very clean and sophisticated and it does come
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  off. You know, little definitely like
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  I see the fascists influences you could tell that they're dark
• 55:12
  but also they're like good at what they do.
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  I mean they're getting ready to blow up a planet so they clearly
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  have some sort of idea what's going on here.
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  Oh yeah, I mean at the very least they have it together.
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  Yeah. They know what they're doing.
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  It's evil but they know what they're doing.
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  They know how to get this get this done.
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  Especially Peter Cushing who plays Grand Moff Tarkin?
• 55:39
  Oh yeah he's the ultimate Betty. Yeah one of the best like
• 55:43
  underappreciated Star Wars characters, I think.
• 55:46
  Yeah, for sure that people appreciate him enough.
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  No John Moe has said. As we were making new ones, we
• 55:54
  could incorporate Minor changes and the in this German First
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  World War World War style uniform, making alterations to
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  keep in line with Georgia's part about buttons and zippers and
• 56:10
  things. They just couldn't do it.
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  That was the reason they manufacture their own.
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  The company was like, you cannot make all these changes to our
• 56:18
  costumes. They were basically looking at
• 56:22
  like destroying the costumes and burns our nation's was Like no,
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  John my love did. Like the PA thing is like, my
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  boss said that we need a bunch of costumes, but can you take
• 56:33
  off all the buttons and all the zippers, like, no, get out of
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  here. And I also love something.
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  I never thought about before that, while the uniforms
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  featured most are manufactured for the film, they did also use
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  cream colored Imperial Russian army.
• 56:56
  Officers summer tunics for several of the background
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  officers which I'd never really given those officers much
• 57:04
  thought because they're not main characters, they're literally in
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  the back. This is the best picture I could
• 57:09
  get of one and it's grainy as anything, but yeah, this is one
• 57:14
  of the ones they took from the stock because they were like,
• 57:18
  we're not making these and cream, and I'm like, oh wow,
• 57:22
  they really anything really modified that barely even knows
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  that character before. That's very interesting, right?
• 57:28
  He's he's just sitting at that table like because Tarkin is
• 57:32
  just acting the room around right there, just given one of
• 57:35
  the best performances of his life and this scene.
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  So um, but aside from their tunics, the Caps were inspired
• 57:46
  by German for forage caps and feature a Ghibli, which was
• 57:52
  sourced from a turntable manufacturer Jay a Mitchell
• 57:58
  Corp. So those little like, weird
• 58:00
  things on the front of their caps that's just from a
• 58:03
  turntable. And one of the most fascinating
• 58:08
  things like all these little like weird little just like the
• 58:13
  little front of the hat like their little rank things.
• 58:17
  All those little like weird details you see they call them
• 58:20
  like grebe lie. That's what they refer to them
• 58:24
  as hmm. There was A whole part in the
• 58:27
  book on it called inner inner, I think, Intergalactic ghibli's or
• 58:31
  something, it was a word they use for things.
• 58:33
  They did not have words for nice thrown together.
• 58:37
  This film was, they were like, what's this?
• 58:39
  I don't know. Deeply, it's a bobbity.
• 58:43
  Boo. It's also featured on the
• 58:53
  uniforms are small pieces of Turntables place in each of the
• 58:59
  pockets up top Mensa detect radiation.
• 59:03
  Mmm. So they're like, I can't tell
• 59:04
  you what it is, but I can tell you what it's used for, which
• 59:08
  I'm like, I never noticed those on the uniforms.
• 59:10
  Like now I can't unsee them, but I'm like, oh, yeah, they do have
• 59:14
  little like weird things and their front pockets.
• 59:18
  Yeah, there's interesting. But we have lots of different
• 59:23
  bad guys. In this film for For some of the
• 59:27
  Gunners and the the Imperial Gunners and the Imperial ground
• 59:33
  crew, they had these these great helmets inspired by Japanese and
• 59:41
  Roman military helmets and modern Japanese Riot helmets.
• 59:46
  Which I couldn't find a picture of those but I was like oh yeah
• 59:50
  they do well. That's I always loved these
• 59:53
  helmets to just an imperial. Ground crew and Laser crew.
• 59:58
  They're so scary looking. So Daniels will seem to this
• 1:00:02
  editing it. I know he want me to bring him
• 1:00:04
  Spaceballs to. That's all I could think of when
• 1:00:07
  I see these helmets now like the Darth helmet, really, dramatic
• 1:00:10
  and big. Yeah, but they're just so
• 1:00:13
  beautiful. The Imperial ground crew helmet.
• 1:00:18
  They refuse refer to as the cheese grater, nice because it
• 1:00:22
  had those like big holes in it. Yeah.
• 1:00:26
  I'm just like stupid. But okay, back to Tatooine.
• 1:00:31
  We back to Tatooine. We have lots of different Storm
• 1:00:35
  Troopers and we're going to talk about this storm troopers and a
• 1:00:38
  little bit, but the ones on Tatooine are very different from
• 1:00:44
  every other Stormtrooper in this George.
• 1:00:49
  Lucas said, he wanted to take some Stormtroopers on location
• 1:00:52
  with him and that they should be combat-ready.
• 1:00:56
  When Malo asked what that meant. He said, well, they've got lots
• 1:01:02
  of stuff on back. Okay, another great Direction.
• 1:01:13
  Got it. Okay, the Stormtroopers on the
• 1:01:16
  desert planet with all the googly goo goo's on their
• 1:01:20
  uniform. McQueary talked about the
• 1:01:26
  Original inspiration for these types of Stormtroopers.
• 1:01:29
  He said, at that point, George talked about making the
• 1:01:32
  Stormtroopers really like American soldiers in Vietnam
• 1:01:36
  with things chalked on their jackets and they would be loaded
• 1:01:40
  down with all kinds of equipment.
• 1:01:43
  All mysterious things that you don't know what they are but all
• 1:01:47
  canisters like German soldiers war in World War Two so George
• 1:01:52
  is just like that. Put a bunch of junk on the yeah
• 1:01:55
  John Mosley. What do you mean?
• 1:01:56
  And he's like, oh no, like backpacks and stuff.
• 1:02:00
  John was like, okay. Got it.
• 1:02:03
  Right? So when he found out this John
• 1:02:09
  Marlowe was like, well, I guess let's go to the Boy Scouts store
• 1:02:14
  and bought their packs. These little seed boxes, the
• 1:02:18
  shoulder Peach pieces, were painted youth sized, motorcycle,
• 1:02:24
  chest, protector, protector, Hours.
• 1:02:27
  So he was just like this and this and like, I get the put it
• 1:02:30
  on them or they. Okay.
• 1:02:31
  And George was probably. Yeah.
• 1:02:33
  I like it. Yeah.
• 1:02:34
  Sure. That's exactly what I meant.
• 1:02:36
  Yeah. It's like this film.
• 1:02:40
  Get me. Like, when he references like
• 1:02:46
  water. Like the German soldiers.
• 1:02:48
  The Vietnam like American soldiers.
• 1:02:51
  I'm like okay. Like I guess the people really
• 1:02:54
  just had to take the one or two things, he I didn't run with it.
• 1:02:57
  Yeah, this is exhausting right. But what was also really
• 1:03:03
  exhausting was the Cantina scene with all all of our friends and
• 1:03:08
  Aliens disgusting, Hive of scum and villainy.
• 1:03:14
  Malo worked closely closely with Stuart Freeborn who created all
• 1:03:19
  the creature heads. Malo said it was all tied up
• 1:03:23
  with heads that Stewart had designed or could produce.
• 1:03:27
  It was a question of making sure the head and the costumes fit it
• 1:03:32
  together George and I sat down and had a complete sheet really
• 1:03:37
  designing little figures for each type of person.
• 1:03:40
  He decided he wanted so many peasants so many Shin-Soo.
• 1:03:44
  Many space Pilots so many Pirates, so many, this, and
• 1:03:47
  that. So they made this little chart
• 1:03:51
  and like had names for them, so that they knew exactly what they
• 1:03:54
  were talking about. That's I mean, just this scene
• 1:03:59
  is just so iconic thinking about like, well at the time it just
• 1:04:03
  felt like some nasty bar but really like did so much World
• 1:04:07
  building that carried on this Legacy for 40-plus years.
• 1:04:12
  Yeah, yeah. Like that's what.
• 1:04:13
  Star Wars does really have because it's like you see all
• 1:04:17
  these little people and characters and like, while they
• 1:04:20
  don't seem like a big deal in this movie, like they are in
• 1:04:25
  Return of the Jedi. They are in like you know the TV
• 1:04:28
  shows and films that are coming out now like it's a wild ride
• 1:04:33
  but like it all like works for the best.
• 1:04:36
  Also, what works for the best is Han and Chewie Chewie.
• 1:04:42
  Leave me Hans. Hello played by Harrison Ford
• 1:04:47
  and another character almost inspired by Flash.
• 1:04:51
  Gordon was hon, but that direction was abandoned and mama
• 1:04:56
  said a mixture of cowboy em were of Orthodox space.
• 1:05:02
  Sort of thing was Han Solo. He looks like such a baby right
• 1:05:09
  here, right, right. I love this.
• 1:05:13
  This is another Were one of those just like iconic pieces
• 1:05:16
  that it's just like, oh yes, that is a space cowboy.
• 1:05:19
  Like you can see in like all sorts of things down the road
• 1:05:23
  where it's like cowboys and stay since like only all look like
• 1:05:26
  Han Solo. Yeah, Han Solo is original
• 1:05:30
  Space. Cowboy.
• 1:05:31
  I'm always love this costume. I just something about it.
• 1:05:35
  It's just really beautiful and I love the fit of the pants with
• 1:05:39
  the vest. Hmm.
• 1:05:40
  And the slightly open shirt because he's hanging out.
• 1:05:43
  At a bar, it's just all work so well together.
• 1:05:49
  It does. And it's like he looks very
• 1:05:51
  casual but then it's like he was like a tactical vest on and like
• 1:05:55
  riding boots and his holster and he's like, I am ready for my
• 1:05:59
  smuggling business. What about you?
• 1:06:03
  We also have his friend chewy played by Peter Mayhew and
• 1:06:11
  Chewbacca was inspired ultimately Bye.
• 1:06:13
  Bye. Lucas is dog, Indiana.
• 1:06:17
  Although he originally asked McQueary to base his Concepts
• 1:06:22
  off of the Lemurs. Hmm, I don't see it, you don't.
• 1:06:27
  Okay, Spencer, I gotta say, I was worried, I was worried, you
• 1:06:31
  wouldn't see the Lemur inspiration.
• 1:06:34
  So I picked, I got a picture of a lemur that I thought you would
• 1:06:37
  really identify with. Okay, that's only mer.
• 1:06:41
  Uh-huh. Again.
• 1:06:46
  Did not change for you. Oh, okay.
• 1:06:50
  Now I feel King Julien. Oh my God.
• 1:06:56
  You're so annoying. I mean, you hear that.
• 1:07:03
  That does help my picture. There you go.
• 1:07:04
  All right. I see it now.
• 1:07:05
  Yeah, I thought it would. I thought it would Whose
• 1:07:12
  original Concepts also show a hemily heavily, armored and
• 1:07:17
  clothes Chewbacca. But Lucas had other ideas in the
• 1:07:21
  query said George thought. It would be a little weird With
• 1:07:25
  the flak flak flak jacket, he took that off and took off all
• 1:07:31
  his clothes. So Georgia like those are like
• 1:07:34
  no clothes. Now, get rid of them.
• 1:07:37
  Yeah, he's like, he Don't want to buy.
• 1:07:40
  Could be wearing a Jack in. No pants.
• 1:07:41
  Yeah. Whereas Daniel would call it the
• 1:07:46
  banding this phrase from the podcast because I don't like it
• 1:07:56
  but it bothers me. Help setting oh my gosh but yeah
• 1:08:07
  I'm like I can't imagine shoot. Baka looking like King Julien
• 1:08:11
  and just okay. Well what I think it is looking
• 1:08:15
  at the concept art which we're all going to put, we're going to
• 1:08:17
  post it notes after so you could all see but looking at the eyes
• 1:08:21
  of the original concept Arts. They're very big and bold which
• 1:08:24
  is where I think the Lemur inspiration was.
• 1:08:27
  Yeah. But I think once again, this is
• 1:08:29
  one of those George Lucas moments or people were like
• 1:08:31
  lemurs right? Yeah basing it off his lovely
• 1:08:38
  dog was Much better decision, right?
• 1:08:43
  By the time Allah was brought in, it was decided that he would
• 1:08:46
  only wear a bandolier. The lucky suit was created by
• 1:08:48
  both the creature department and wardrobe Department.
• 1:08:51
  Lucas brought on creature maker, Stuart Freeborn, who had just
• 1:08:56
  created the say, tannic dogs and Omen and the man Apes in 2001 A
• 1:09:01
  Space Odyssey. Hmm.
• 1:09:03
  Freeborn said his direction from Lucas was this Got your ego,
• 1:09:11
  I'll leave it to you. Something like a dog, something
• 1:09:14
  like a cat. So I remodeled it to include
• 1:09:18
  both types of features and watch when George came in.
• 1:09:21
  He said that's it. Of course, he said something
• 1:09:32
  like a cat dog and I should have he's like yep, that's exactly
• 1:09:35
  what I was thinking, right? That's it.
• 1:09:38
  I mean I guess George Lucas's. Brilliance is just letting
• 1:09:43
  people do their thing, right? Smelling them when it's right.
• 1:09:47
  Like I think that's what we're learning here.
• 1:09:49
  Yeah, this is madness. So that the mass could be
• 1:09:55
  articulated by Peter Mayhew Freeborn created it using a
• 1:10:02
  quote rigged polyurethane skull that fitted to Peter's face
• 1:10:06
  allowing him to move the mask and They emotion through it.
• 1:10:11
  The hair was added piece by piece using a hypodermic needle.
• 1:10:16
  Hmm, that sounds horrible. Yeah, that does not sound fun.
• 1:10:25
  Freeborn said, I only wanted a thin layer of hair.
• 1:10:29
  Otherwise I lose my lacked. Plasticity, and movement is
• 1:10:34
  restricted and I'm like, I feel like movement was already pretty
• 1:10:37
  restricted. But okay.
• 1:10:39
  In compared to C-3PO on Darth Vader.
• 1:10:41
  This probably feels very comfy. Like PJ's, probably probably the
• 1:10:47
  suit itself was created by Stephen miles, who bought a
• 1:10:52
  whole new machine to knit the suit Ron back remembers after he
• 1:11:00
  Mills knitted, the suit had to go to people who were like
• 1:11:05
  wigmaker's to have all the hair put in it underneath that.
• 1:11:10
  He Mayhew just wore this enormous onesie sort of thing.
• 1:11:16
  He used to, he used to get very hot and I'm like I would imagine
• 1:11:21
  the suit was made of Angora wool and Yak hair.
• 1:11:26
  Yeah. A little steamy in there.
• 1:11:29
  Yeah. That sounds like a sauna
• 1:11:31
  especially like some of the places they go on.
• 1:11:35
  Like he must have been sweatin. Yeah, I'm Allah said.
• 1:11:39
  It was all handmade. And once, by the way, we had to
• 1:11:44
  thicken his hair and re not him because in hot weather, he
• 1:11:49
  molted just never ends. It was, it sounds like this was
• 1:11:58
  a never-ending headache, especially with cool little side
• 1:12:02
  characters like this Imperial spy, who looks like someone
• 1:12:06
  pulled him out of the Middle Ages from like up.
• 1:12:09
  Lake Camp, right? I've like, I've always been
• 1:12:13
  trying to figure out if it's a mask or if that's like his
• 1:12:15
  little snail like a little note, right?
• 1:12:17
  And I'm like so much thought had to go into that.
• 1:12:21
  No information so much thought, had to go into a grito for the
• 1:12:24
  two seconds. He's alive.
• 1:12:25
  And the film no information on that.
• 1:12:28
  He's got a whole head, a beautiful suit, the Greedo mask
• 1:12:31
  is beautiful. Actually, if you look at the
• 1:12:33
  eyes, it's really incredible. I feel like I've seen it before
• 1:12:37
  to one of his Academy Museum. IAM, I don't know, but it's a
• 1:12:42
  very beautiful soup, it is. And I'm like, this is another
• 1:12:45
  character which iconic character Greedo.
• 1:12:48
  Is an iconic character, forgot that he died within, like, not
• 1:12:53
  even five minutes of being in the film, right?
• 1:12:57
  I just read the other day, when I re-watched, just, I believe,
• 1:13:00
  like, young Greedo has a little spot in The Phantom Menace.
• 1:13:03
  Deleted scenes, I figured I could check him out.
• 1:13:05
  Yeah. Interesting.
• 1:13:07
  But before we get into some of Good stuff.
• 1:13:10
  Let's take a little break. Spencer we haven't got to the
• 1:13:13
  good stuff yet, some more of the good stuff I should say.
• 1:13:19
  All right I'm gonna go take a that was a bad one cut that one
• 1:13:23
  Daniel will be right back. Hi.
• 1:13:43
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  baby onesie. Thank you for all of your
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  support. Are you ready to talk about the
• 1:14:29
  most recognizable foot soldiers in history?
• 1:14:33
  I'm ready. I love the Stormtroopers.
• 1:14:35
  It's one of the coolest armors ever.
• 1:14:38
  It is one of the coolest armors ever.
• 1:14:40
  And McQueary said, the Storm Troopers and the first move.
• 1:14:44
  Were Meant To Be robot like totally obedient the ultimate
• 1:14:49
  Soldier without any feelings at all.
• 1:14:52
  So they were sort of off being these people without expression
• 1:14:56
  which is totally what this mask is supposed to do.
• 1:15:00
  Just no expression, no nothing, right, much like other military
• 1:15:06
  units, McQueary had envisioned different ranks of Stormtroopers
• 1:15:10
  using different shaped helmets. However, Were the practicalities
• 1:15:15
  of production, men. All the Stormtroopers would have
• 1:15:19
  the same helmet Lismore created the helmets helmet.
• 1:15:24
  Mold I was the only one created out of the studio because she
• 1:15:30
  she was going on vacation to visit her boyfriend and they
• 1:15:32
  were like, hey can you do this while you're there?
• 1:15:35
  She's like, okay, so rude. So she created the helmet?
• 1:15:42
  Brian mirror. The clay molds for the armor,
• 1:15:47
  which was quite the challenge because a standard size had to
• 1:15:52
  fit. Anyone that was five-ten to
• 1:15:55
  six-feet tall to achieve this. They were made with gaps between
• 1:16:02
  each of the pieces so they could be adjusted to the right size.
• 1:16:06
  I think all that meant is that they created and pieces, right?
• 1:16:10
  Well, that makes sense. I mean, looking at how it's
• 1:16:12
  segmented on the ADI. Yeah, someone smiles were
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  finished. They created the armor using
• 1:16:19
  vacuum forming and sent it all to the costume Department, who
• 1:16:24
  received the pieces of armor, about four days before, filming
• 1:16:29
  with no instructions to what he says, went where nice this?
• 1:16:35
  That's how that works. They were just like trying to
• 1:16:38
  figure it out like they're like, okay, black leotard underneath
• 1:16:43
  everything black Elves. What do we put where?
• 1:16:46
  This looks like a crotch, right? So that itty-bitty,
• 1:16:54
  100,000-pound budget, they had just half of it, went to the
• 1:16:58
  Stormtroopers. Dang, they're really out of luck
• 1:17:01
  here, either. Really out of luck, everything
• 1:17:04
  else was just like, okay let's make this for pennies but Malo,
• 1:17:12
  he talked at length about the storm.
• 1:17:14
  Troopers when they had to figure out how to put everything
• 1:17:16
  together. Mama said, we just played around
• 1:17:19
  until we eventually managed to string it all together in such a
• 1:17:22
  way that you could get get it on and off the bloke in about five
• 1:17:27
  minutes. They had a black all-in-one,
• 1:17:31
  leotard the front, and back of the body went together, the
• 1:17:35
  soldiers fitted onto the body, the top arm, and the bottom arm
• 1:17:40
  were attached with black elastic and slit on.
• 1:17:44
  And a belt around the waist head suspender things which the legs
• 1:17:48
  were attached to. The gloves were ordinary,
• 1:17:52
  domestic rubber gloves with a bit of latex shove it on the
• 1:17:56
  front. The boots were ordinary spring
• 1:18:00
  sided, black boots, painted white with shoe died.
• 1:18:04
  That was it, and strange to say it all worked for me.
• 1:18:10
  He's like, I've been through some things on this film, but
• 1:18:13
  somehow the, Stormtroopers worked out.
• 1:18:15
  I love how he's like, yeah, no, this is thrown together.
• 1:18:18
  This was thrown together, but it created an enduring and iconic
• 1:18:24
  Baddie, that we all know and love.
• 1:18:27
  I'm so obsessed with it. Yeah, Trooper so cool.
• 1:18:30
  I also want to give a shout out to the 50 First Legion that
• 1:18:33
  comes to, they really, they are so cool and they study these
• 1:18:39
  armors to a tee. I mean, it's their life and they
• 1:18:42
  create their own costumes. And I've just Always been so
• 1:18:45
  jealous. It's just the coolest thing ever
• 1:18:48
  are the nicest people to like they're so nice.
• 1:18:53
  Yeah, 50 First, you were doing great work.
• 1:18:57
  Um, but yeah, apparently, these were extremely uncomfortable
• 1:19:02
  costumes because it was just like they had to cut pieces off
• 1:19:06
  for each actor and that to like, make it comfortable, like they
• 1:19:09
  couldn't sit in these things. Why?
• 1:19:14
  And once they're there, they were in them.
• 1:19:15
  They were in them. It was just like was what it
• 1:19:17
  was. So these poor guys are stuck
• 1:19:19
  standing around. They would have like pieces of
• 1:19:22
  like plastic like shoving into them, where they're like, can
• 1:19:24
  you like trim this off? Please.
• 1:19:28
  I like what not like to be impaled by my costume and they
• 1:19:30
  were like, you know, sometimes we got the same people back.
• 1:19:33
  Sometimes we didn't it, created problems.
• 1:19:35
  Happy, take pieces off the costumes, but they did what they
• 1:19:40
  had to do and it worked out it really.
• 1:19:44
  Work well also worked out was the only different helmet was
• 1:19:49
  for the the TIE fighter pilots. They had a modified version of
• 1:19:55
  the stormtrooper helmet that added like the breathing
• 1:19:59
  apparatus and was just a little more like flight inspired which
• 1:20:05
  I'm like, would not have guessed that.
• 1:20:07
  It's so interesting to like, looking at the art, the, you
• 1:20:12
  know, they back there. Then they're priced trying to
• 1:20:15
  draw like a little bit of a slip similarity between a storm
• 1:20:17
  troopers and Darth Vader. But like you know, now knowing
• 1:20:21
  how the whole story plays out that doesn't really connect so
• 1:20:24
  much but like even looking at all that concept sketches, they
• 1:20:27
  look a lot similar to Darth Vader's sketches.
• 1:20:30
  Oh yeah. I mean I feel like that was the
• 1:20:33
  point. It was like all the bad guys
• 1:20:34
  look like this but then we have our best good guy.
• 1:20:40
  Princess Leia played by Carrey fish.
• 1:20:44
  Her absolute Legend. I love her so much the absolute
• 1:20:49
  legend for Leia's bang costume. They tried a lot of different
• 1:20:54
  more princessy designs with Lucas has only directive that it
• 1:21:00
  be modest another Stellar Direction.
• 1:21:04
  I mean, at least this one I kind of get a little bit more.
• 1:21:07
  Yeah. Wanted her to be very
• 1:21:10
  diplomatic, right? So they basically give you You a
• 1:21:14
  pass on this one, mr. Luke.
• 1:21:15
  Yeah yeah. So they base the final costume
• 1:21:19
  on one of the queries designs that they thought was kind of
• 1:21:23
  mock Mickey mock medieval and none.
• 1:21:26
  Like it was made of silk crepe de Xin.
• 1:21:31
  The all white color palette references, Leia's Purity as a
• 1:21:36
  character, which I'm like, oh cool.
• 1:21:39
  Yes it does. They also made sure to age it
• 1:21:43
  and That shoes, a woman of action and not just a diplomat,
• 1:21:48
  which I like, so, I like it. And then the Bell was made by
• 1:21:54
  Arnold Jackson who had worked for MGM Studios.
• 1:21:58
  Since the 1940s, it was white leather embroidered with
• 1:22:04
  aluminum plates. Apparently said, this guy was
• 1:22:06
  just like, if they needed something leather, this guy was
• 1:22:08
  just like, okay, then we We have the rebel officers.
• 1:22:16
  This is where you really see that.
• 1:22:17
  Like earth-tone good guys. Come in.
• 1:22:21
  Yeah I'll just wear beige and like brown.
• 1:22:24
  It's so interesting how like such a color palette could just
• 1:22:27
  like change the whole mood and you just suddenly feel
• 1:22:30
  comfortable with these people even though we really know
• 1:22:33
  nothing about this Rebellion at this point.
• 1:22:35
  Now just know that all the other guys are bad.
• 1:22:38
  So these guys must be good. That, that was like, I that's
• 1:22:43
  what I kind of love about. Like the original trilogy.
• 1:22:45
  There's like, oh, the Empire subjugates the universe.
• 1:22:47
  It's like, okay, yeah, that's okay.
• 1:22:51
  All right. And most zero context we just
• 1:22:54
  know that that guy is scary looking and we don't like them.
• 1:22:58
  Yeah we don't like them but we do like the rebel Pilots.
• 1:23:06
  The now iconic color of the Rebel fighter pilots was
• 1:23:10
  actually based off curie's concept art Of Rebel, planes
• 1:23:15
  being serviced, the suits were made by J Brand race where and
• 1:23:23
  then the helmets were based on the US Air Force's 1960 model a
• 1:23:31
  PhD 6B helmets. Okay.
• 1:23:36
  I love they took the color from literally.
• 1:23:40
  This one stripe on the back of a a service person.
• 1:23:44
  Jacket. Well, it was like, that's the
• 1:23:46
  color. Let's go with that.
• 1:23:49
  I also know they say it's the a pH 6 be helmet that it was based
• 1:23:56
  off. That's what the book says.
• 1:23:57
  But I think that looks a lot more like the A6 helmet right.
• 1:24:02
  Which yeah. Kind of see it too.
• 1:24:04
  Yeah. Which I'm like dang like did
• 1:24:07
  they just like I know they didn't but it almost looks like
• 1:24:09
  they took that and just like added some stuff to it and it's
• 1:24:13
  also interesting, you know, It's the mentioned that the rebel
• 1:24:16
  logo was actually created by mellow which that.
• 1:24:18
  Yeah, check. That's a job Malo thing.
• 1:24:20
  For sure. He loves a good logo, he died.
• 1:24:23
  I thought I was about to bring that up.
• 1:24:24
  He created that, we don't like, I would have thought it would be
• 1:24:28
  queries design, but yeah, it's not last but not least, we have
• 1:24:37
  the ceremonial scene. Yay.
• 1:24:40
  When the batteries are all but destroyed Luke and Han are
• 1:24:45
  really flying high because they saved everybody and I'm like
• 1:24:50
  this scene like, you know, they weren't sure whether or not they
• 1:24:54
  were getting more movies. Like if this one had tanked and
• 1:25:00
  I just for some reason it like it ended up on a streaming
• 1:25:04
  service one day. Like if I was surfing Netflix I
• 1:25:07
  was like huh. The Star Wars know?
• 1:25:10
  This looks fun and I saw that I'd been like oh yeah that's
• 1:25:13
  that's a cool. A movie, Whatever, right?
• 1:25:16
  Because it's like, there's no Cliffhanger.
• 1:25:18
  There's no, this is going to lead on two more films.
• 1:25:21
  Yeah. Like it's a good enough ending.
• 1:25:23
  They did leave a little room with like, Darth vader-like
• 1:25:26
  spiraling out to space, but like, this is a solid ending
• 1:25:30
  just in case which the way this episode's gone talking about all
• 1:25:34
  the issues. I, I too would have had that.
• 1:25:37
  That feeling. Yeah, I remember this was years
• 1:25:40
  ago, but I was watching. I was Wat Some documentary and
• 1:25:45
  it was one of the one of the actors from Jaws.
• 1:25:51
  The Science Guy. I forget what his name is.
• 1:25:54
  He was talking about, like, after torrential.
• 1:25:57
  Lucas was done this film. I, I forgot if it was like
• 1:25:59
  after, like, one of the first like screenings he did of it
• 1:26:03
  while they were editing. Apparently, he liked met up with
• 1:26:06
  him and like some other people at a bar and was like, guys, I
• 1:26:10
  think I just made a children's film.
• 1:26:14
  He's like how we all sat there and consoled the soon-to-be
• 1:26:17
  billionaire. Oh my gosh, that's ridiculous.
• 1:26:22
  I digress bail for this. They wanted to show that Luke
• 1:26:28
  was growing up and away from the farm, boy, he started out as
• 1:26:34
  Malo said, said about it that George said, I think he ought to
• 1:26:39
  look a bit more like Han so he can so we Concocted an outfit a
• 1:26:46
  bit like Hans but in different colors.
• 1:26:50
  Nice, final, George Lucas know it.
• 1:26:55
  Oh wait for the more George Lucas notes.
• 1:26:59
  I love Luke's like last look do because it's like a golden color
• 1:27:03
  and it's like, you know, he's saved at this point.
• 1:27:06
  We think he's saved universe. So he's like that Golden Boy,
• 1:27:09
  you know, he's wearing this gold color with some black.
• 1:27:12
  He looks smooth. And Slick.
• 1:27:14
  You know, he looks, it's a job. Well done, mr.
• 1:27:17
  Skywalker and I do like the like, oh, he's taking his
• 1:27:21
  fashion sense from Han because like yeah, like Han Solo's,
• 1:27:26
  probably the first adult influence he's had in his life
• 1:27:30
  that wasn't from Tatooine. Like also Han probably isn't
• 1:27:37
  that much older than Luke at this point.
• 1:27:39
  So it's like I mean, clearly Luke supposed to be like Like
• 1:27:44
  what 1819 Han Solo's probably like in his 20s 30s?
• 1:27:49
  Something like that. Hans essentially wearing the
• 1:27:51
  same thing just like in a more sophisticated pattern with clam.
• 1:27:56
  Dip it in the washing machine. I think literally they just gave
• 1:27:59
  him a new shirt. I think that's all they did but
• 1:28:05
  Leia gets quite the upgrade. They also wanted to give her a
• 1:28:10
  little bit more of a grown-up Looking down which this is just
• 1:28:16
  beautiful. It was created with a French
• 1:28:20
  designer who they don't really, they didn't name in the book.
• 1:28:22
  They just said like a French house, helps them make it which
• 1:28:25
  I'm liking. Yes, it was like a superb.
• 1:28:30
  So I believe it. But the necklace is from the
• 1:28:35
  company laponia and was rented for the movie.
• 1:28:40
  And this necklace has quite the story.
• 1:28:43
  Well, which I would have never thought but in 1976 Buren, wek
• 1:28:50
  storm. Hey finished jewelry designer
• 1:28:53
  for laponia. Yes, I'm sorry if I'm
• 1:28:57
  pronouncing that wrong. I don't speak Finnish Received a
• 1:29:02
  call from Lucas is secretary, who relate Lucas's, desire to
• 1:29:07
  have a piece of jewelry designed by wek storm for his new movie,
• 1:29:11
  while he didn't know who Lucas was, he was excited that his
• 1:29:16
  work had become famous enough for a film to reach out to him
• 1:29:20
  for a custom piece. So, he began designing, he was
• 1:29:23
  like cool sci-fi space, great. However, changes in the shooting
• 1:29:29
  schedule, made it impossible for Rex.
• 1:29:32
  To finish a custom piece and directed Lucas's secretary to
• 1:29:37
  one of their retailers in London.
• 1:29:39
  They messaged whack storm that they found the perfect piece
• 1:29:43
  from his collection Wexler, didn't hear anything else from
• 1:29:47
  the production and they didn't even tell him the name of the
• 1:29:50
  film. His treasury would be featured
• 1:29:54
  life. Lex storm didn't know the name
• 1:29:58
  of the film, till December 1977 when it Premiered in Finland,
• 1:30:03
  and a friend, recognized his pieces.
• 1:30:06
  What he later returned to his original designs, for the film
• 1:30:11
  producing, the the poem, a necklace and the 90s, what?
• 1:30:17
  Right? That's absurd.
• 1:30:19
  He's like, hey that's my necklace, right?
• 1:30:22
  Right, it's terrible. It's terrible.
• 1:30:25
  But um, if you are interested you can buy darine has bracelet
• 1:30:31
  for 160 pounds or eight hundred and one dollars and 33 cents or
• 1:30:38
  the planetoid Valley necklace for 2760 Euros, not pounds Euros
• 1:30:46
  or 29, 2009 hundred and ten dollars and ten cents.
• 1:30:52
  Mmm. I'll look around I might have
• 1:30:55
  that somewhere, right? Right.
• 1:30:58
  If you want to know more about how this Necklace came to be,
• 1:31:04
  you can visit the cow really hard time pronouncing this
• 1:31:10
  kalevala Jewelry Company. Who bought the original company,
• 1:31:17
  they have a whole like article on what it took to get this
• 1:31:23
  necklace in the film. I will love it.
• 1:31:26
  I'm obsessed with this, right? Yeah.
• 1:31:29
  It was quite the struggle for all involved.
• 1:31:33
  I love it. I also love that in there.
• 1:31:36
  Like copy for the pieces, they talked about how it was featured
• 1:31:40
  in Star Wars and like names every single actor except for
• 1:31:47
  Carrie Fisher. What like this is just a mess.
• 1:31:54
  This is this is what their copy for the it was the necklace.
• 1:31:58
  As part of Bjorn whack stores, groundbreaking space, silver
• 1:32:03
  collection created in the late 1960s, planetoid Valley and
• 1:32:09
  Darian has bracelet became internationally renowned when
• 1:32:12
  worn by Princess Leia, in the final scene of George.
• 1:32:15
  Lucas's first Star Wars epic as she awarded medals to Luke
• 1:32:20
  Skywalker and Han Solo. Oh, they weren't.
• 1:32:23
  Oh, they were Mentioned the one for the bracelet mentions who
• 1:32:26
  the actors are. All right.
• 1:32:29
  But that was not the only ridiculous thing they had to put
• 1:32:32
  up with for this scene. Oh boy.
• 1:32:35
  So here we go. Tom Allah talks about this
• 1:32:38
  scene. One Lucas said, oh, we're gonna
• 1:32:40
  have a lot of people. It's got the rooms going to be
• 1:32:42
  filmed. All the said, how many are in
• 1:32:46
  this scene at the end? And he said, George, Lucas
• 1:32:50
  something. Like, as far as you can see, we
• 1:32:52
  asked how many are there? He said, well, 400.
• 1:33:00
  I just know how many are there is a simple question.
• 1:33:10
  It is a number. This is a question with an
• 1:33:13
  answer. George Lucas?
• 1:33:14
  Don't know? Like 400 costumes.
• 1:33:17
  Can you just read that somewhere for?
• 1:33:23
  The extras that weren't as prominent, they rented both US
• 1:33:29
  Marine uniforms and French Foreign Legion uniforms to fill
• 1:33:33
  out this scene. Nice.
• 1:33:36
  And with that last wonderful note from George Lucas, that is
• 1:33:42
  Star Wars and New. Hope everything.
• 1:33:49
  I love this movie, I want to go back and re-watch it now and and
• 1:33:53
  I just George Lucas. What an interesting guy, what an
• 1:33:57
  entrance like he is one of the best directors of all time, one
• 1:34:02
  of the best writers of all time, purely for the fact that this
• 1:34:06
  has endured for so long, right? I mean, he has a vision like,
• 1:34:11
  you can't, of course, he has a vision and you have to believe
• 1:34:14
  in it, but like his Direction, sounded really rough this
• 1:34:18
  direction. Sounded like I would have cried.
• 1:34:24
  I just love it, and the costumes are brilliant.
• 1:34:27
  And John Malo, is just such a legend.
• 1:34:30
  I mean, just talking about alien a couple weeks ago, like I
• 1:34:35
  already was such a big fan but now after going through a new
• 1:34:38
  hope, I'm just like well he really is one of the greatest
• 1:34:41
  costume designers of all time. I know.
• 1:34:44
  And it's like this is why tomorrow 45 years later we are
• 1:34:49
  still talking about this movie, The 45 year anniversary.
• 1:34:53
  Suri. That's crazy.
• 1:34:54
  Yeah, like 45 years, people are still talking about it.
• 1:34:59
  People are still interested, people are still taking
• 1:35:02
  inspiration from it, look into the past, just two years.
• 1:35:05
  How many Disney just shows, right?
• 1:35:10
  They put out so much World building and think of all the
• 1:35:13
  costume designers and other, you know, film professionals that
• 1:35:16
  got their start from Star Wars. It's just really truly
• 1:35:20
  incredible. Such a great episode Elizabeth
• 1:35:22
  you did. It's a great time with all your
• 1:35:24
  research, the session key always do, but you really outdid
• 1:35:28
  yourself this week. I I think the two-week delay.
• 1:35:31
  One more thing we've put off this recording for two weeks.
• 1:35:34
  Everyone just because we were, like, still building.
• 1:35:38
  Surely because the night before, the day of I was like, hey,
• 1:35:42
  that's not too bad but I don't know about you.
• 1:35:49
  Spencer, I'm ready for our favorite game.
• 1:35:51
  Let's do it. The one costume to rule them
• 1:35:56
  all. Spencer, let's hear one costume
• 1:36:03
  to rule them all. Okay, so I think I might be
• 1:36:09
  changing mine. Oh, I originally picked Princess
• 1:36:14
  Leia's First Look aboard. A ship at the way beginning of
• 1:36:17
  the film where she has the white Hood.
• 1:36:20
  It's very iconic, very classic. I love Carrie Fisher.
• 1:36:23
  She is one of the most brilliant people to have ever touched us,
• 1:36:27
  Earth, and I miss her terribly. However, I realized that I just
• 1:36:32
  love to Stormtrooper uniform so much more.
• 1:36:35
  It's just such an iconic piece, that's the way they built it and
• 1:36:40
  how it's how it's layered on people with the helmets and the
• 1:36:44
  helmets done had different variations.
• 1:36:47
  I'm a reprised and, you know, the prequel films, it's just one
• 1:36:50
  of the most iconic characters, ever.
• 1:36:52
  And I just wonder what the world would be.
• 1:36:55
  Like, if the Stormtrooper uniforms weren't built the way
• 1:36:58
  that they Were so it's just my one costume to rule them.
• 1:37:01
  All right. That's kind of the thinking I
• 1:37:04
  have with my one costume to rule them all which is Darth Vader.
• 1:37:08
  Yeah. It's like you think of Star
• 1:37:10
  Wars. You think of Darth Vader, you
• 1:37:12
  think of like iconic movie, villains, you think of Darth
• 1:37:15
  vader-like even. If you've never seen Star Wars,
• 1:37:20
  you've seen the silhouette of that helmet.
• 1:37:23
  You have right? It's everywhere like everywhere.
• 1:37:28
  I mean, have you ever been to like a Party City and walked by
• 1:37:31
  it? Like birthday party decorations?
• 1:37:33
  It's all Darth Vader which is insane when you think about it
• 1:37:36
  because he's based off of like an evil Nazi fascist, we are
• 1:37:41
  like when I get, when I go to the shore and I'm like, walking
• 1:37:44
  down the boardwalk, and there's all those like, like little like
• 1:37:47
  touristy shops. Like there's some like Darth
• 1:37:50
  Vader T-shirt with like a stupid quote on it.
• 1:37:53
  Or like Darth Vader helmet like sticker.
• 1:37:57
  Yeah. Like you can't go anywhere at
• 1:38:01
  least in this country and like not see Darth Vader somewhere.
• 1:38:05
  Exactly. It's just so brilliant.
• 1:38:08
  I love this episode. It was so fun.
• 1:38:11
  Elizabeth, it was fun. But Spencer, are you ready for
• 1:38:16
  something else? Equally as fun.
• 1:38:19
  Yeah, we need a little bit of a change of pace.
• 1:38:21
  Now, the airspace month has come to an end.
• 1:38:24
  This has been one of my favorite themes.
• 1:38:26
  We've done me to, we need to do So again next year but um and
• 1:38:31
  true the art of costume blogcast fashion.
• 1:38:34
  We're doing a 180 Spencer. What are we watching for next
• 1:38:38
  week? Next week.
• 1:38:40
  We are watching the great season 2.
• 1:38:44
  So we're doing a very very harsh change of Direction here.
• 1:38:48
  Here he had comedy. Get ready.
• 1:38:52
  So good. It's so funny.
• 1:38:54
  And if you're wondering, why are they only doing season two and
• 1:38:57
  not season one? One.
• 1:38:58
  Well you might have to check out our patreon for season one.
• 1:39:03
  Hmm, keep an eye out later this month, we'll be releasing the
• 1:39:08
  our season 1 episode of the great for our Blog cast After
• 1:39:12
  Dark episodes on the patreon. Like, there's a lot of costumes
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  costume design. So by the time Malo was brought
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  creature Department. Hmm.
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  Okay, I'm going to start that over.