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Dr. Amie Hornaman aka “The Thyroid-Fixer” · Ageless and Timeless Podcast®

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Speaker 1: Well, this is Michelle Hughes from Ageless and Timeless with
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Speaker 1: a very bad cold today. But I wasn't going to
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Speaker 1: cancel this incredible interview because I've been looking forward to
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Speaker 1: meeting and talking with Amy, doctor Amy Horneman, who is
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Speaker 1: the thyroid Fixer.
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Speaker 2: And many of you have heard of Amy.
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Speaker 1: She's very well known on the Internet and also for
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Speaker 1: her work with the thyroid, which it's pretty obvious. I
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Speaker 1: want Amy to tell us today. First of all, welcome Amy,
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Speaker 1: and thank you so much for taking the time to
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Speaker 1: be with us today. I wanted you to tell us
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Speaker 1: your journey because you have one of the most fascinating stories.
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Speaker 2: I call it.
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Speaker 1: Paying to purpose to passion, and honestly, I've found so
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Speaker 1: many of my guests have had the exact same kind
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Speaker 1: of epiphany. You know that through adversity comes opportunity. So
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Speaker 1: why did you start by telling us what happened to
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Speaker 1: you and why and how you got to where you
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Speaker 1: are today?
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Speaker 3: Oh? One hundred percent. First of all, thank you for
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Speaker 3: having me. Second, I always say pain to purpose, but
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Speaker 3: now I'm going to tag on the passion because I
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Speaker 3: love that. Yeah, I love that, yeah, and yeah, that's
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Speaker 3: exactly my story. So we're going to rewind Oh goodness,
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Speaker 3: twenty five ish years ago when I was competing in
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Speaker 3: figure competitions and I did fitness modeling at the same time.
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Speaker 3: So you know, the whole prep for the show is chicken, broccoli, asparagus.
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Speaker 3: You're hitting the gym twice a day. I mean things
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Speaker 3: that as a competitor, as a fitness athlete, you do
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Speaker 3: over and over and over again, so you know how
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Speaker 3: your body's supposed to respond. Now, It's always nice to
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Speaker 3: have a coach, which I did. So I had a
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Speaker 3: coach and he would tell me what to do and
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Speaker 3: send me my diet and my workout program. But every
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Speaker 3: time we did this together, it always worked, and I
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Speaker 3: would get nice and lean step on stage, step in
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Speaker 3: front of the camera, no problem. This one particular show,
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Speaker 3: and we're talking probably ten, fifteen, twenty shows and photo
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Speaker 3: shoots in this one show I'm getting ready for, and
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Speaker 3: you know, I'm stepping on the scale, sending him before
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Speaker 3: and after pictures. This one show I'm getting ready for.
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Speaker 3: The scale keeps going up, and I mean five pounds
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Speaker 3: the first week to where I'm like, well wait a minute,
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Speaker 3: that's that doesn't make sense, but maybe okay, maybe I'm
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Speaker 3: eating too much. Maybe I just need to do like
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Speaker 3: a third cardio of the day. Step on my cardio
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Speaker 3: a little bit more, go an hour and a half
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Speaker 3: with it instead. And then the next week went Bob
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Speaker 3: stepped on the scale again. Now it's up ten pounds
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Speaker 3: and I'm like, wait a minute, this isn't makeing sense,
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Speaker 3: Like my body's rebelling against me. So I'm checking in
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Speaker 3: with my coach. He's like, what do you do? And
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Speaker 3: I'm like, no, seriously, I'm not cheating on my diet.
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Speaker 3: I'm doing everything how you have it laid out perfectly.
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Speaker 3: And you know, I mean the whispers start at this point, right,
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Speaker 3: So everybody in the gym that used to see me
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Speaker 3: get ready and compete, they're like, oh, you know, she's
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Speaker 3: eating the donuts. That that's why she's not getting ready.
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Speaker 3: She's wearing sweatshirts in the gym. She's not going to
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Speaker 3: do this show. Well, they were right and wrong. I
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Speaker 3: wasn't going to do the show because my body was
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Speaker 3: rebelling against me. But I wasn't eating the donuts. I
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Speaker 3: was doing all the things, and probably to a too
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Speaker 3: strict point at that point because I was so frustrated
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Speaker 3: and disappointed and really start to lose hope. So let's
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Speaker 3: keep going. Week number three, Week number four, Week number five,
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Speaker 3: that scale went up a total of twenty five pounds.
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Speaker 3: After that, I stopped getting on, but I'm pretty sure
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Speaker 3: that on my five to two frame I was carrying
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Speaker 3: around an x extra forty pounds with no answers as
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Speaker 3: to why. So you know, at that point I did
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Speaker 3: what we all do. I started doctor ghouling, and I
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Speaker 3: start actually going to doctors. So I went to my
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Speaker 3: first doctor. I said, you know, hey, what's going on.
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Speaker 3: My body is rebelling against me. This doesn't make any sense,
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Speaker 3: Like biologically, it doesn't make sense. Whether you believe in
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Speaker 3: calories and calories out or not, it doesn't make sense.
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Speaker 3: So that doctor looks at me. Ransom Labs said, you're normal,
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Speaker 3: everything is fine. I said, okay, well I don't feel normal.
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Speaker 3: I don't feel fine. I don't accept that. So I
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Speaker 3: am going for a second opinion, because that's what we
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Speaker 3: have the right to do. So I go for the
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Speaker 3: second opinion. That doctor tells me, oh, you know, it's
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Speaker 3: all in your head. Why don't you just eat less
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Speaker 3: than exercise more? Well, it was impossible. I was already
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Speaker 3: eating so little, my calories were probably around a thous
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Speaker 3: which is not good. And I was working out twice
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Speaker 3: a day, sometimes three times a day, so that was
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Speaker 3: not possible.
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Speaker 2: Now.
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Speaker 3: Was I actually probably attacking my own adrenals at this point, Yeah,
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Speaker 3: because I was really stressed out and I was looking
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Speaker 3: for anything that would help. At that point, I went
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Speaker 3: to a total of six different doctors who all told
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Speaker 3: me this is under the medical gas lighting umbrella. They
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Speaker 3: all told me your normal, everything's fine, eat less, an
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Speaker 3: exercise more, it's all in your head. You're just getting older.
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Speaker 3: That one was good because I was in my twenties,
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Speaker 3: and really the things that they said to me should
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Speaker 3: have been written down and bookmarks because they were horrendous.
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Speaker 3: By that sixth doctor, I remember going to my car
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Speaker 3: in the parking lot and I put my head on
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Speaker 3: the steering wheel and just started crying and literally praying
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Speaker 3: to God for any diagnosis. And I know that sounds horrible,
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Speaker 3: like I never want to wish, a know, anything terminal
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Speaker 3: on myself for goodness sake, you know, power and what
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Speaker 3: we think. But I was so I was so frustrated
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Speaker 3: and so depleted that any diagnosis would have at least
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Speaker 3: been an answer, and it would at least given us
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Speaker 3: a direction in which to move to maybe reverse this
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Speaker 3: this thing that was happening in my body. So then
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Speaker 3: I go to doctor number seven. I don't stop, Thank God,
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Speaker 3: I don't stop. I go to doctor number seven. This
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Speaker 3: is another ender chronologist. I saw metabolic specialists, I saw endocrinologists,
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Speaker 3: I saw GPS, I saw obgyns. So here's yet another
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Speaker 3: endo chronologist, right, supposed to know the endocrine system. Well,
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Speaker 3: I give her some credit because she actually touched my
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Speaker 3: throat and said swallow, and she's feeling around and she says, okay,
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Speaker 3: there's a nodule in there that we're going to have ultrasounded.
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Speaker 3: But based on your labs, you have hashimotos, which is hypothyroidism.
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Speaker 3: And now here's the pill. So I left her office.
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Speaker 3: I'm like, this is it. I've got it, got the diagnosis,
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Speaker 3: and now I have a pill that's gonna fix me.
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Speaker 3: That pill was synthroid, right, which we're going to get
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Speaker 3: into more right.
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Speaker 2: Difference.
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Speaker 3: Okay, we're gonna talk more about that.
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Speaker 2: Okay.
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Speaker 3: So I gave that T for five months and I
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Speaker 3: did not lose one pound. So back to doctor Google.
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Speaker 3: I start looking things up about this thyroid thing. I
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Speaker 3: put thyroidism Hashimoto's treatment for and I find, you know,
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Speaker 3: there's these other thyroid hormones. Okay, wait, I'm taking T four.
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Speaker 3: T four is the inactive thyroid hormone. There's T three
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Speaker 3: that's active, there's T two that's active. So I go
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Speaker 3: back to her and I say, you know, there there's
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Speaker 3: there's these other thyroid hormones. And and one of these
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Speaker 3: articles actually says the T four works better when it's combined,
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Speaker 3: when you combine it with these other thyroid hormones. Can
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Speaker 3: we do that? She goes, I don't do that. That's
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Speaker 3: not standard of care. And all I can do is
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Speaker 3: prescribe you T four. And I said, well, I'm going
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Speaker 3: to find somebody who can.
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Speaker 2: Then.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I kept hearing the name of this functional doctor.
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Speaker 3: You know, when you hear names three times, you're like, okay,
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Speaker 3: thank you, I'm getting the message. So I actually listened
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Speaker 3: to the message that was being given to me, and
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Speaker 3: I went to see this functional doc. Now back in
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Speaker 3: the day, I call him functional now, but we didn't
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Speaker 3: even have that term. It was integrative, it was alternative.
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Speaker 3: But regardless, he was a pharmacist, he was a natural
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Speaker 3: path he was a functional practitioner. I mean, just all
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Speaker 3: the things under one umbrella. He sat with me for
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Speaker 3: ninety minutes. He ordered this book of blood work that
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Speaker 3: in those ninety minutes he actually went through with me
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Speaker 3: and started putting the pieces of the puzzle together, something
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Speaker 3: no other doctor had ever done. And then he asked
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Speaker 3: me the foremost important words that anyone should ask any patient.
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Speaker 3: So any practitioner out there should be asking their patients
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Speaker 3: as you, as a patient, should be hearing these words,
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Speaker 3: how do you feel?
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Speaker 2: Yes, I knew you were going to say that, right.
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Speaker 3: I never heard that from any other doctor I went
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Speaker 3: to either.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: So with that information he was able to put those
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Speaker 3: pieces of the puzzle together and put me on the
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Speaker 3: right track with the right thyroid hormone replacement, with the
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Speaker 3: right supplementation. You know, we changed my diet a little bit,
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Speaker 3: but it wasn't the diet and the supplements and the exercise.
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Speaker 3: It wasn't that. And that shows you how important it
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Speaker 3: is to have your thyroid optimized, because it doesn't matter
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Speaker 3: what you do. If your thyroid is in the toilet,
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Speaker 3: nothing is going to work. We changed all that up
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Speaker 3: and he literally saved my life. So from that point on,
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Speaker 3: I changed careers. He became my mentor. I got into
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Speaker 3: fund five to seven minute insurance based visit with your
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Speaker 3: gp obgyn. You need to be doing functional medicine and
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Speaker 3: you need to be meeting for a long time to
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Speaker 3: really put the piece of the puzzle together.
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Speaker 2: Okay, So the things that.
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Speaker 1: I hear that are going to be really helpful to
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Speaker 1: people that are listening today, and I hope that my
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Speaker 1: viewers and listeners are take a piece of paper and
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Speaker 1: a pen and write notes, because this is so important
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Speaker 1: what you're telling us. The first thing that I hear
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Speaker 1: is how underdiagnosed or I'm misunderstood the thyroid is.
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Speaker 2: And yet it is one of the.
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Speaker 1: Most important organs in the body. So why don't you
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Speaker 1: tell us more about that part of it? Why is
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Speaker 1: it so underdiagnosed? But before you do, I know that
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Speaker 1: doctor you found was eighty five years old when you
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Speaker 1: found him. So is he still alive today?
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Speaker 3: He's still alive, but definitely not in practice, not in
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Speaker 3: practice anymore.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, you still interact with him?
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Speaker 3: I do. I do. I love him to death and
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Speaker 3: he's just thrilled to see where I took the knowledge
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Speaker 3: that he imparted on me. So it's it's really nice
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Speaker 3: to give in touch.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, so let's let's do all things thyroid today.
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Speaker 1: This is so so important, And this is why I've
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Speaker 1: been so eager to you know, basically, you know, we
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Speaker 1: talked what three or four months ago, but I've been
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Speaker 1: so eager to have you on this show because I
12:12
Speaker 1: know how many people are not what is it six
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Speaker 1: million people in America have a thyroid condition, and how
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Speaker 1: many more eight million are never diagnosed.
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Speaker 3: Yes, yes, that's very nice, great stats.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that's just completely amazing. And then we
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Speaker 1: have a sixty five percent obesity rate at least, So
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Speaker 1: how many of those sixty five percent, if they knew
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Speaker 1: that what their thyroid was doing or wasn't doing, might
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Speaker 1: actually not be obese. So we're just talking about the
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Speaker 1: weight issue, but there's so many other energy metabolic function,
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Speaker 1: which of course affects weight, heat, all these brain, brain,
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Speaker 1: cognitive function, all these parts of the body that do
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Speaker 1: not get productive are not productive if the thyroid is
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Speaker 1: not working. So let's dive in and talk to us
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Speaker 1: about all the different aspects of the thyroid, starting with
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Speaker 1: the key four, which is what you were given. But
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Speaker 1: what's not working and why is that? So if you
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Speaker 1: could just go for.
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Speaker 3: It, yeah, yeah, let's do it. Okay, brief anatomy lesson
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Speaker 3: on the thyroid. So the thyroid butterfly shaped gland in
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Speaker 3: your neck. It is the master gland. So it controls
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Speaker 3: your blood pressure, your heart rate, your metabolism, your cell turnover,
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Speaker 3: so whether or not you're growing your hair, turning skin
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Speaker 3: cells over. Dry skin is a really big symptom when
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Speaker 3: you have hypothyrotism. If you think of hypothyroidism, think low
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Speaker 3: and slow, hypo low and slow. So if you think
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Speaker 3: of that, everything is going to be slowed down from
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Speaker 3: your mood, your brain processing, thinking, memory, heart rate, blood pressure,
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Speaker 3: body temperature. Many people are cold when the rest of
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Speaker 3: the room is totally comfortable. That motility. A lot of
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Speaker 3: thyroe patients do not go to the bathroom every single day.
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Speaker 3: And that's vital metabolism, fat burning, muscle building, I mean,
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Speaker 3: you name it. Everything goes low and slow when you
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Speaker 3: are in a hypothyroid state. So it really is the
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Speaker 3: master gland. Now that thyroid gland produces four different hormones
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Speaker 3: T one, T two, T three, T four, T one,
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Speaker 3: we can just set that aside. It really does nothing.
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Speaker 3: T four is inactive, where T three and T two
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Speaker 3: are active. So what does that mean? T four is inactive?
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Speaker 3: Meaning if we look at your cells on the outer
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Speaker 3: surface of the cell, you're going to have a receptor
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Speaker 3: site on every single cell in your body, trillions, trillions,
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Speaker 3: trillions of cells. Every single cell in your body has
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Speaker 3: a receptor slide on it for thyroid hormone, but for
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Speaker 3: T three thyrid hormone, so T four it's inactive, it
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Speaker 3: has to convert and it has to become T three
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Speaker 3: in order to get to the receptor site to do
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Speaker 3: its job, to turn on think of a lock and
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Speaker 3: key to turn on that cell, to turn on your metabolism,
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Speaker 3: to turn on your brain, to turn on your ATP
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Speaker 3: production at the mitochondria level, which is going to give
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Speaker 3: you energy. So that T four has to convert and
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Speaker 3: become T three. That conversion process I always I joke
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Speaker 3: and I say I equate it to running ten tough mutters,
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Speaker 3: because it's a really hard process for the body to do,
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Speaker 3: and there are so many things that get in the way,
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Speaker 3: so many things. So when we are looking at that conversion,
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Speaker 3: we test something called reverse T three. So when we're
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Speaker 3: looking at all the tests to get for your thyroid,
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Speaker 3: reverse T three is one of the most important tests
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Speaker 3: in addition to free T three. I'll get to that
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Speaker 3: in a minute. We look at reverse T three and
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Speaker 3: if that reverse T three is above A twelve, we go, oh,
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Speaker 3: you know, this person is having issues converting their T
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Speaker 3: four over into T three, and we do things to
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Speaker 3: rectify that. Now, when we're looking at the active thyrid hormones.
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Speaker 3: There's T three and T two. We test free T
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Speaker 3: three meaning the unbound ready to attach to your cell
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Speaker 3: active thyrid hormone, and with T two. There is no
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Speaker 3: test for T two because and we can dive more
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Speaker 3: into what is T two and how it can help people,
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Speaker 3: there's no test for T two, but it is an
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Speaker 3: active thyrid hormone, and anyone can take T two because
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Speaker 3: it's over the counter, whereas T four and T three
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Speaker 3: are under prescriptions. T two is over the counter.
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Speaker 2: Yeat interrupting.
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Speaker 1: But why is there no test for T two.
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Speaker 3: That's a great question. Honestly, I think if we really
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Speaker 3: unpack it and look at it, it's because T two
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Speaker 3: is in supplemental form, and we know big Pharma wants
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Speaker 3: to push people down the medication route. Now I don't
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Speaker 3: have a problem with thyroid medication. I do not. I
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Speaker 3: do not think that it is under the big pharma
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Speaker 3: label of you know, big Farmer wants to put you
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Speaker 3: on a statin or an antidepressant. They want to put
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Speaker 3: you on these band aid prescription drugs instead of using
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Speaker 3: biodentical hormones or using thyroid replacement therapy. But still, I
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Speaker 3: mean We're still talking about the big farmer world, and
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Speaker 3: that still comes down to if we test for something,
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Speaker 3: there better be a script that we can write for
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Speaker 3: it afterwards. So if we test for T two, then
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Speaker 3: that better be in medication form prescription form, and it's not.
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Speaker 3: It's available over the counter in supplemental form, and Big
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Speaker 3: doesn't make money off of supplements. So I mean, if
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Speaker 3: we really unpack it, that's that's what I believe, because
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Speaker 3: there there is a T two measurement when we're looking
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Speaker 3: at the studies done on T two, but it's not
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Speaker 3: universal to where you could go to lab core and
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Speaker 3: order it.
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Speaker 1: Okay, So just T two necessary to affect T three production.
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Speaker 3: No, that's a great question. They work independently, Okay. So
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Speaker 3: let's say we have someone that we know they need
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Speaker 3: that active thyroid hormones. So if you go back to
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Speaker 3: my story, I was given T four, it is inactive.
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Speaker 3: It did not work. I saw my functional medicine practitioner
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Speaker 3: put me on armor thyroid, which is a blend of
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Speaker 3: T four and T three and eventually moves me to
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Speaker 3: T three only because I do not convert well, I
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Speaker 3: have a genetic snip that prevents conversion. Yeah, so when
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Speaker 3: we're looking at that, yes, I am on T three only,
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Speaker 3: but I still take T two because T two doesn't
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Speaker 3: affect my thyroid function. It doesn't affect my thyroid numbers,
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Speaker 3: and it works at the mitochondria level to increase my
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Speaker 3: base of metabolic rate. So I'll still take two, take
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Speaker 3: T two for my metabolism for fat burning for energy,
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Speaker 3: but I'll be on my T three medication prescription as well.
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Speaker 3: So kind of doing two different things.
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Speaker 1: Okay, And so let's talk about the thyroid stimulating hormone,
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Speaker 1: which is not a thyroid hormone. It's a pituitary So
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Speaker 1: can you tell us how that affects the T two
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Speaker 1: and T three and T four.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's how where does that come in?
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Speaker 3: I love that you said that because I say that
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Speaker 3: all the time. It is not a thyroid hormone, not
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Speaker 3: a thyrod hormone. It is a brain hormone, but tuitary hormone.
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Speaker 3: So TSH is it's like you know when you're when
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Speaker 3: your kid, let's say, leaves toys all over the room
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Speaker 3: and you're like, Johnny, you gotta go pick up your toys,
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Speaker 3: and he doesn't listen, and your voice gets louder. You're like, Johnny,
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Speaker 3: got go pick up those toes, and then you know
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Speaker 3: it starts to get louder, louder, louder. Yeah, so you're
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Speaker 3: screaming and then Johnny maybe kind of sort of listen.
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Speaker 3: So KSh is the same way. It's it's talking at
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Speaker 3: your thyroid and then it starts to get louder when
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Speaker 3: the thyroid doesn't listen, Hey, thyroid, you gotta make more
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Speaker 3: T foor and T three. Hey thyroid, coin you're not
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Speaker 3: doing your job. You got to make more T thor
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Speaker 3: and T three. So as that TSH goes up, think
20:36
Speaker 3: of it as getting louder. The brain is yelling at
20:40
Speaker 3: the thyroid, noticing that it's it's not doing its job,
20:43
Speaker 3: and it's poking it and it's yelling at it. It's like,
20:46
Speaker 3: come on, trying to stimulate the thyroid to make more
20:51
Speaker 3: thyroid hormone. Now, we don't look at TSH as the
20:55
Speaker 3: bl end all marker like they do in conventional medicine.
20:58
Speaker 3: In conventional medicine, doctors have learned you test TSH and
21:02
Speaker 3: if TSH is above a four point five, which is
21:05
Speaker 3: the current cutoff in labs, then you give T four.
21:08
Speaker 3: That's all. That is all they have learned, and we
21:11
Speaker 3: know so much more than that functional medicine. First of all,
21:13
Speaker 3: in functional medicine, we have a totally different optimal range,
21:17
Speaker 3: meaning we want your TSH to actually be below at
21:20
Speaker 3: qwo right, and even that, we'll still see patients come
21:24
Speaker 3: in with a beautiful TSH A one, a point five,
21:30
Speaker 3: and yet when we look at the other tests that
21:32
Speaker 3: we should be looking at, we still see that they
21:35
Speaker 3: have hypothyroidism or hashimotos because TSH is not the b
21:39
Speaker 3: all end all test. So it's nice to look at
21:42
Speaker 3: if it's super high and it's flagged high and it's red,
21:47
Speaker 3: that tells us ah, your brain is screaming at your
21:50
Speaker 3: thyroid because your thyroid is not doing a good job
21:53
Speaker 3: at making those thyroid hormones. But if it's not screaming,
21:58
Speaker 3: we still have to look further, so.
22:01
Speaker 1: Is the thyroid Like that could be like in the
22:03
Speaker 1: blood work, like cortisol, where if you take a prick
22:07
Speaker 1: of the finger or a vial of blood at a
22:10
Speaker 1: certain time, you could have one level, but later on
22:13
Speaker 1: in the day or based on your stress level or
22:17
Speaker 1: other activities that day, what you ate someone does that
22:21
Speaker 1: affect they blood levels of the thyroid. In other words,
22:26
Speaker 1: is it one of those organs that is very sensitive
22:31
Speaker 1: to the timing of when the blood is drawn.
22:35
Speaker 3: Yes and no. So we like to do labs in
22:38
Speaker 3: the morning when we're checking thyroid because TSH will change
22:42
Speaker 3: throughout the day. But when you're looking at the really
22:45
Speaker 3: really important markers like free T three and reverse T
22:48
Speaker 3: three and then your antibodies, yeah, those aren't really going
22:51
Speaker 3: to fluctuate that much based on the time of day.
22:54
Speaker 3: You're not going to fluctuate based on what you eat.
22:57
Speaker 3: Stress might affect the reverse TEA three a little bit,
23:01
Speaker 3: but we can kind of get a really good idea
23:03
Speaker 3: of that when we talk to the person, ask them
23:05
Speaker 3: about their stress levels, what they're dealing with, and see
23:08
Speaker 3: if that's playing a role with the reverse T three.
23:10
Speaker 3: But mainly it's it's number one, you take it in
23:13
Speaker 3: the morning. Number two. If you are on thyroid medication
23:17
Speaker 3: of any kind, then you want to hold that for
23:21
Speaker 3: twenty eighteen to twenty four hours before your labs, especially
23:25
Speaker 3: if it contains T three in it. You want to
23:27
Speaker 3: hold your thyro medication. And then you also don't want
23:29
Speaker 3: to take biotin for five to seven days or before
23:32
Speaker 3: a thyroid lab.
23:33
Speaker 2: Oh why is that?
23:34
Speaker 3: Maybe it can affect the TSH and the free T three.
23:39
Speaker 1: Oh well, that's something I don't think any most people
23:43
Speaker 1: have never heard that.
23:46
Speaker 2: Ye.
23:46
Speaker 1: Biotuine is in a lot of supplements. I mean I
23:49
Speaker 1: take it sublingually in the morning, just but I know
23:52
Speaker 1: I've seen it in the ingredients and other supplements that
23:56
Speaker 1: I take. So that would be something you would really
23:58
Speaker 1: have to investigate before you do your test.
24:03
Speaker 3: Yes, oh, yes, exactly.
24:05
Speaker 1: Okay, so tell us about the antibodies. Let's just say you, well,
24:09
Speaker 1: first person, before I asked that question, what why is
24:13
Speaker 1: the Barnes method used instead of blood work? Because they
24:19
Speaker 1: say that you could be normal in your thyroid blood work,
24:24
Speaker 1: and still if you ask that important question that you
24:28
Speaker 1: mentioned earlier, how do you feel you still have hypothyroidism?
24:33
Speaker 1: So then they say use the Barns method. Do you
24:36
Speaker 1: want to talk about that or is that somewhat antiquated?
24:41
Speaker 3: I think it's pretty antiquated because we can get really
24:46
Speaker 3: we can get a very accurate picture through blood. Now,
24:50
Speaker 3: I do like blood over saliva. A lot of times
24:53
Speaker 3: I'll get that question is saliva accurate? I have tested
24:57
Speaker 3: saliva with hormones with thyrol, and I cannot find it
25:00
Speaker 3: good consistency with that. The only time I use saliva
25:03
Speaker 3: is with if we're testing cortisol through the day, like
25:06
Speaker 3: a four point saliva cortisol panel. But other than that,
25:09
Speaker 3: just a nice, good old fashioned blood draw.
25:13
Speaker 1: Something here and then doing urine, saliva or stool. So yeah,
25:20
Speaker 1: that's good. But I all the years I've been testing
25:23
Speaker 1: my thyroid, I was told that you could come out
25:26
Speaker 1: with levels that are normal, but your thyroid you still
25:29
Speaker 1: don't feel.
25:29
Speaker 3: Well well then you know, then we have to break
25:33
Speaker 3: down normal versus optimal. So that that comes back more
25:38
Speaker 3: to discussing the standard lab value range on that blood
25:42
Speaker 3: test that you get. So on any blood test, you're
25:46
Speaker 3: going to see over here like a reference range, and
25:49
Speaker 3: that's what your conventional doctor is looking at to go, oh, look,
25:52
Speaker 3: your labs are normal. So the first doctor I saw,
25:55
Speaker 3: remember I got that yep, your normal air quotes here normal. Yeah,
25:59
Speaker 3: and that's what they're looking at.
26:00
Speaker 2: Now.
26:00
Speaker 3: It's important to remember that that standard lab value range,
26:03
Speaker 3: that reference range was taken from groups of sick people.
26:07
Speaker 3: They did not stop to say, you know, we're testing
26:10
Speaker 3: all of these people, but we have sixty five percent
26:13
Speaker 3: of the morrow best, like you quoted in the beginning,
26:16
Speaker 3: which is true. And then we have people with cancer,
26:18
Speaker 3: we have heart disease, we have these people that aren't
26:20
Speaker 3: taking care of themselves, they're eat McDonald's whatever. Whereas functional
26:24
Speaker 3: medicine comes in and we narrow that down and we say,
26:29
Speaker 3: let's test the badasses. Let's test that seventy year old
26:33
Speaker 3: over there that's still schemed down a mountain. Let's test
26:37
Speaker 3: that sixty five year old that has like a rock
26:39
Speaker 3: hard muscular body, and let's figure out what their levels are,
26:44
Speaker 3: because that's going to give us that optimal range. That's
26:47
Speaker 3: where people are going to feel their best, not out
26:50
Speaker 3: here in the standard lab value range that's wide and
26:53
Speaker 3: vast and huge and who god knows what kind of
26:57
Speaker 3: sick people were tested for this. We want to take
27:00
Speaker 3: that narrow bullseye optimal range and that's where I want
27:04
Speaker 3: people to be, where we know there's a ninety nine
27:08
Speaker 3: point nine percent chance you are going to feel your
27:10
Speaker 3: best in that range.
27:11
Speaker 1: Okay, so let's talk about what those levels are for
27:14
Speaker 1: the ones that we've already discussed, the T one, two, three,
27:18
Speaker 1: the TSH you said below two, but just tell us
27:21
Speaker 1: what the optimal level should be for those.
27:24
Speaker 3: Sure, we'd love to so TSH we want below a two. Yeah,
27:28
Speaker 3: free T four we don't care about. One thing to
27:33
Speaker 3: note is if free T four is higher, if that
27:37
Speaker 3: is in the upper quadrant of the range, So it
27:40
Speaker 3: would be usually like a one point three, one point four,
27:43
Speaker 3: one point five or above. That can actually indicate that
27:47
Speaker 3: you have a conversion problem or that you're on too
27:49
Speaker 3: much T four. Then we move on to free T three.
27:54
Speaker 3: We want that in the upper quadrant of the range.
27:56
Speaker 3: So this makes it very universal for labs. When we
27:59
Speaker 3: say up quadrant. Just take that standard reference range, cut
28:03
Speaker 3: it into four, and that's where you want to be
28:06
Speaker 3: for the free T three is the upper quadrant or
28:09
Speaker 3: a little bit over, it's okay. If you're a little
28:11
Speaker 3: bit over, not a problem. If you're flagged high. Reverse
28:14
Speaker 3: T three is relatively universal as well most lab tests,
28:19
Speaker 3: even in other countries. We want that below at twelve.
28:22
Speaker 2: Okay.
28:22
Speaker 3: And then then there are the TPO and the TGA
28:25
Speaker 3: antibodies and these tests for hashimotos.
28:28
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's where the depth space.
28:30
Speaker 1: But I'm going to be sure we cover the the
28:32
Speaker 1: ones we've already talked about yees. Okay, so what reverse
28:37
Speaker 1: the reverse T There's not a reverse T four.
28:40
Speaker 3: Right, No, no, just reverse T three.
28:43
Speaker 1: Yeah, so those are the ones T one, T two,
28:46
Speaker 1: T three, all T four and reverse.
28:52
Speaker 3: Well, there's no test for T one, there's no test
28:54
Speaker 3: for T two. So we're just gonna look at TSH three,
28:58
Speaker 3: T three, free T four or reversese T three. And
29:02
Speaker 3: now we have the antibodies.
29:03
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, so let's talk about those antibodies because
29:06
Speaker 1: those are really if you have an autoab conditioner called hashimotos.
29:11
Speaker 3: Yes, oh yes, so those antibodies we want at zero.
29:16
Speaker 3: And this is really important for people to take notes
29:19
Speaker 3: on because there are many times, and I have heard
29:22
Speaker 3: this across the board from patients that have come into
29:24
Speaker 3: the practice. They've seen conventional they've even seen functional medicine
29:28
Speaker 3: doctors who told them you do not have hashimotos. Then
29:32
Speaker 3: I look at their lives and even their history of labs,
29:34
Speaker 3: and I said, well, wait a minute, back here, last year,
29:38
Speaker 3: your TPO showed that you had twenty antibodies and your
29:43
Speaker 3: TGA had five. Oh but wait, it wasn't flagged in
29:46
Speaker 3: the reference range. So let me give you a little analogy.
29:50
Speaker 3: So you'll understand what I'm talking about here. When we're
29:53
Speaker 3: talking about antibodies, I want you to think of them
29:56
Speaker 3: as soldiers that are attacking your thyroid. So really, I
30:00
Speaker 3: mean any antibody for any autoimmune condition you could test
30:03
Speaker 3: rhumatard arthritis antibodies, those are soldiers attacking your joints. So
30:07
Speaker 3: for hashimotos, these are soldiers attacking your thyroid because they
30:12
Speaker 3: think that your thyroid is a bad guy. They're just
30:14
Speaker 3: really confused. Whenever we're talking about autoimmunity, your body is
30:18
Speaker 3: confused that thinks that an organ or a joint, or
30:21
Speaker 3: or your small intestine or whatever it is, is a
30:23
Speaker 3: bad guy, so they've attack it. So those antibodies are soldiers.
30:28
Speaker 3: If you think about it that way, then this next
30:30
Speaker 3: part it's going to make sense. So we do a test,
30:33
Speaker 3: and let's say that standard lamb value range for thyroid
30:37
Speaker 3: peroxidaseantibodies TPO is less than thirty four. That's a very
30:43
Speaker 3: very common reference range for the TPO antibodies less than
30:47
Speaker 3: thirty four. So you come in at a twenty and
30:50
Speaker 3: your doctor, in particular functional doctor that I that I
30:54
Speaker 3: that one of my patients saw before coming to us
30:57
Speaker 3: who told her you don't have poshimotos, looked at that
31:01
Speaker 3: twenty marker for her TPO, looked at the standard reference range, Oh,
31:07
Speaker 3: it has to be less than thirty four, and says
31:10
Speaker 3: you don't have hashimotos. So I go, uh, okay, So wait,
31:14
Speaker 3: you're gaining weight, you're losing your hair, you have no energy,
31:17
Speaker 3: you don't poop every day, But you don't have hashimotos.
31:20
Speaker 3: Are we just gonna wait until those twenty soldiers build
31:24
Speaker 3: up to until they get to thirty five, when you
31:28
Speaker 3: actually get that h next to it and it turns red.
31:32
Speaker 3: At that point in time, do we say, okay, now
31:37
Speaker 3: you have hashimotos. Now we can do something. Meanwhile, you're
31:41
Speaker 3: thirty pounds heavier, you can't get off the damn couch
31:44
Speaker 3: because you're too tired, You've lost all of your hair,
31:47
Speaker 3: you have no libido, you're bloated all the time. Why
31:50
Speaker 3: don't we address it now when we see the first
31:54
Speaker 3: signs of those soldiers building an army and say, yeah,
31:58
Speaker 3: you have hashimotos because you have antibodies. So long story short,
32:02
Speaker 3: I want those TPO and TGA antibodies at zero, okay, zero?
32:07
Speaker 2: So what's the difference between the two.
32:11
Speaker 3: They're just two different markers. So TPO is way more
32:14
Speaker 3: common and tga A can when we have positive thyroglobulin antibodies.
32:21
Speaker 3: That number one does indicate hashimotos but can be correlated
32:26
Speaker 3: to thyroid cancer, not always, I don't like to scare people,
32:29
Speaker 3: but can be correlated to thyroid cancer being present.
32:33
Speaker 1: Okay, so let's just say you're above one and you
32:36
Speaker 1: do have the antibody, so you do have motives. How
32:39
Speaker 1: does other autoimmune conditions affect that those results?
32:46
Speaker 3: So one thing to keep in mind is autoimmune begets autoimmune.
32:50
Speaker 3: Where we see one, we see more than one. So
32:51
Speaker 3: it's not that the other autoimmune conditions are affecting the
32:55
Speaker 3: Hashimoto antibodies, but we tend to get a spread with
33:00
Speaker 3: with autoimmunity. So let's say those soldiers start to build
33:04
Speaker 3: and we see this more when people are really really
33:07
Speaker 3: high in their antibodies, and the hundreds and the thousands,
33:10
Speaker 3: and what ends up happening is those soldiers go out
33:14
Speaker 3: they attack the thyroid because they know it's a bad guy.
33:18
Speaker 3: And then let's say, okay, let's move over here to
33:21
Speaker 3: someone's small intestine, and now you have celiac and this
33:26
Speaker 3: can also occur with the consumption of gluten because gluten
33:33
Speaker 3: looks like the thyroid gland. It's called molecular mimicry, So
33:37
Speaker 3: it looks under the microscope very similar to the thyroid gland.
33:40
Speaker 3: And then those soldiers see gluten come into the body
33:44
Speaker 3: think it's another bad guy invader. They launch an attack
33:48
Speaker 3: and you start to build your army, and as that
33:51
Speaker 3: army builds, it naturally goes to other places of the body.
33:55
Speaker 3: So we normally do see more than one autoimmune condition
33:59
Speaker 3: when we see one present.
34:01
Speaker 1: Okay, so the other question I had is how does
34:05
Speaker 1: leaky gut and other microbiome disorders LPs and sodular and included,
34:13
Speaker 1: how do they affect the thyroid?
34:17
Speaker 3: So that's going to set you up more for an
34:19
Speaker 3: autoimmune for autoimmune being present. So we use that three
34:23
Speaker 3: legged stool analogy with autoimmune conditions. I think it's perfect.
34:26
Speaker 3: So on the one leg, you have the genetic predisposition
34:29
Speaker 3: someone in your family has some autoimmune condition. It doesn't
34:34
Speaker 3: have to be hashemotives, it can be any autoimmune. Then
34:36
Speaker 3: we have that other leg of the stool, which is
34:38
Speaker 3: leaky gut, which these days I mean who doesn't have
34:42
Speaker 3: leaki gut. These with the amount of chemicals and toxins
34:45
Speaker 3: that were being exposed to I mean chlorine fluoride, BPA,
34:51
Speaker 3: food dye, which hopefully that's changing, but just all of
34:54
Speaker 3: these these toxic chemicals just destroy the gut lining. So
34:59
Speaker 3: it's very very common for leaky get to be present
35:03
Speaker 3: in a person. High levels of zangulin, which is an
35:05
Speaker 3: inflammatory marker that we can measure, and then we have
35:08
Speaker 3: that third leg of the stool, which is a trigger.
35:10
Speaker 3: So you have somebody that has leaki gut, has that
35:14
Speaker 3: genetic predisposition. And then let's say they go into perimenopause,
35:19
Speaker 3: which I always say thyrol pause. The definition of thyropause.
35:24
Speaker 3: It firopause affects everyonoman over the age of forty because
35:29
Speaker 3: it's when your thyroid hormone levels declined due to fluctuating
35:37
Speaker 3: bioidentical hormone level. So do when your progesteroneh you're estrogen
35:40
Speaker 3: when your testosterone starts to fluctuate like that in perimenopause.
35:44
Speaker 3: And this even happens in pregnancy, ladies, So even something
35:47
Speaker 3: as natural as being pregnant or even in puberty, any
35:50
Speaker 3: kind of hormonal roller coaster fluctuations can turn on that
35:56
Speaker 3: switch of hashimotos of autoimmune.
36:00
Speaker 2: Okay, and then what about candeta.
36:03
Speaker 3: And Candida plays a role, but it's not a direct
36:07
Speaker 3: it's not really a direct role. So more with candida.
36:11
Speaker 3: When when someone has hypothyroidism, I will see blood sugar
36:14
Speaker 3: dishregulation and insulin resistance. Okay, nine times out of ten
36:18
Speaker 3: that will be present. And then we know that that
36:21
Speaker 3: candida can be fueled from having that insulin resistance from
36:26
Speaker 3: consumption of carb sugar. So it just kind of it's
36:30
Speaker 3: more of feeding a downstream effect of the thyroid.
36:34
Speaker 1: Okay, good, Okay, So you just reference the other hormones.
36:38
Speaker 1: So let's talk about that for movement. How what should
36:41
Speaker 1: the optimum levels be of the other hormones that are
36:44
Speaker 1: going to keep your thyroid healthy and free of automobile?
36:49
Speaker 3: Yes? Yes, so important to talk about the other sex
36:52
Speaker 3: hormones too, And also important to to note for the
36:56
Speaker 3: audience that you know, you could find a thyroid expert
37:02
Speaker 3: over here or someone that claims to be and a
37:04
Speaker 3: hormone expert over here, and you'll ask the hormone expert
37:08
Speaker 3: if they do thyrom and they'll say no, And you
37:09
Speaker 3: ask the thyroid expert. If they do hormones and they
37:12
Speaker 3: say no, that should be a huge red flag where
37:14
Speaker 3: you want to run far away from that practitioner because
37:18
Speaker 3: those two go together. So that's why when I say
37:21
Speaker 3: I'm a thyroate and hormone expert, I'm a thyron hormone expert,
37:24
Speaker 3: because they have to go together. You cannot address one
37:27
Speaker 3: without the other. So I'll explain why. Number one, we
37:29
Speaker 3: know that the thyroid itself can throw someone into early menopause.
37:34
Speaker 3: It will oh when the thyroid is low, it will
37:36
Speaker 3: push a man's testosterone into the toilet. Every time I
37:40
Speaker 3: see a man with hashimotives, and we know it affects
37:43
Speaker 3: women more than men. But every time I see these
37:45
Speaker 3: poor dudes with hashimotives, they're testosterones in the toilet. It's
37:49
Speaker 3: just a shame. So we know that there's an interplane.
37:52
Speaker 3: Now on the flip side, the reason why men have
37:56
Speaker 3: less autoimmune in general is because they in general have
38:01
Speaker 3: higher testosterol levels. So even a low T for a
38:05
Speaker 3: man is still higher than most women, right, So they
38:09
Speaker 3: have that protective layer. And that's what testosterone does, is
38:12
Speaker 3: it protects us against autoimmune. So in addition, to giving
38:16
Speaker 3: us motivation and drive and strength and changing our body
38:20
Speaker 3: composition and lighting up our brain and helping us think
38:24
Speaker 3: and focus. It also protects us against autoimmune which is beautiful.
38:29
Speaker 3: So we need testosterl levels to be optimal. Optimal testosterone
38:34
Speaker 3: levels for a woman total testosterone I always want to
38:38
Speaker 3: see above a fifty, so fifty would be minimal. And
38:42
Speaker 3: side note, most labs cut you off at forty eight,
38:45
Speaker 3: so in order to even hit the bottom of the
38:48
Speaker 3: barrel optimal range, you have to be flagged high, which
38:52
Speaker 3: is comical. It's like, oh my gosh, okay, So the
38:55
Speaker 3: standard lab value range doesn't even encompass where women should start.
39:00
Speaker 3: And then the free testosterone I like that in the
39:05
Speaker 3: upper half of the range for women when we're talking
39:09
Speaker 3: testosterone for men, at least at least above an eight
39:15
Speaker 3: hundred I'm sorry, even if you're seventy eighty years old,
39:19
Speaker 3: you should have an eight hundred total testosterone or above,
39:23
Speaker 3: which means that you should be on TRT three testosterone.
39:27
Speaker 3: We like it twenty or above, but usually a little
39:29
Speaker 3: bit higher, like it around like fifty or whatever for
39:32
Speaker 3: men for free testosterone. But then we go into the
39:36
Speaker 3: estradal on progesterone levels so important for both sexes. Estra
39:41
Speaker 3: dial for men, we want it below a thirty. Estra
39:44
Speaker 3: dial for women we want above a fifty, but really
39:47
Speaker 3: closer to like eighty to one twenty independent of age.
39:51
Speaker 3: That's where you're going to feel your best for estra
39:53
Speaker 3: dial because estra dil helps with vaginal lubrication, helps with
39:57
Speaker 3: our brain, lowers our of Alzheimer's, helps with our skin,
40:03
Speaker 3: our hair, hair falling out is huge. Minestra dial levels
40:07
Speaker 3: are low, and then we move into progesterone, which progesterone
40:11
Speaker 3: helps us sleep, protects us against cancer, helps with osteoporosis.
40:14
Speaker 3: So does estra dial. I mean, there are so many
40:16
Speaker 3: benefits to hormones, we'd be here for an hour listing
40:18
Speaker 3: them all. But progesterone levels here's where it gets a
40:22
Speaker 3: little tricky. So if you're taking an oral and this
40:26
Speaker 3: is very very disputed. So if you're listening to this
40:29
Speaker 3: and you're like, well, I heard so and so on
40:31
Speaker 3: this other podcast, say the opposite, We're both right, because
40:35
Speaker 3: there's really no I cannot find a definitive, agreed upon,
40:42
Speaker 3: solid answer to this. If you are taking an oral progesterone,
40:47
Speaker 3: which is beautiful because it helps you sleep, It calms
40:49
Speaker 3: your brain, helps with anxiety. If you're taking an oral progesterone,
40:53
Speaker 3: there's a really good chance it's not going to show
40:55
Speaker 3: up on blood. So we can dose progesterone based on
41:00
Speaker 3: how you feel, and that's where those foremost important words
41:03
Speaker 3: come in. How do you feel if you're if you
41:04
Speaker 3: haven't sawn me, if you're anxious, for your jittery, if
41:07
Speaker 3: you know your just mood is off. The classic low
41:10
Speaker 3: progesterone sign and symptom for women is when your family
41:15
Speaker 3: or friends are going, why are you so bitchy all
41:18
Speaker 3: of a sudden, It's true, it's like, uh yeah, your
41:22
Speaker 3: low progesterone. Progesterone helps with PMDD, it helps with heavy bleeding,
41:27
Speaker 3: helps with irregular cycles. It should be given to girls
41:31
Speaker 3: for birth control over birth control, because birth control is synthetic.
41:35
Speaker 3: Real progesterone is real. And even men benefit from a
41:39
Speaker 3: little bit of progesterone because men have anxiety, men have insomnia.
41:44
Speaker 3: Men protection against cancer too, so you can give them
41:47
Speaker 3: a little bit of progesterone as well.
41:50
Speaker 2: So what was the level of the progesterone that talked.
41:52
Speaker 3: About, Well, that's the thing. So Okay, Optimally, we like
41:56
Speaker 3: for women to be in like the double digits with
41:58
Speaker 3: progesterone when tested on days nineteen to twenty two of
42:02
Speaker 3: your cycle. If you're not cycling, then you can test whenever.
42:07
Speaker 3: But that's the thing. It's like, if a woman comes
42:09
Speaker 3: to me and she's not on any progesterone and we
42:12
Speaker 3: see her PA level is like a point one or
42:15
Speaker 3: I've seen it like indetectable less than point three on
42:19
Speaker 3: the lab, well, then of course you need progesterone. Really,
42:22
Speaker 3: I mean, if you're over forty, you should be looking
42:25
Speaker 3: at thyroid hormone, testosterone, progesterone, and estradil. You should be
42:30
Speaker 3: looking at them all because hormones give us life and
42:32
Speaker 3: they give us quality of life. But we can't necessarily
42:35
Speaker 3: go by the number because I've also replaced someone's progesterone
42:39
Speaker 3: and I have a patient. We have her on six hundred,
42:42
Speaker 3: eight hundred milligrams of progesterone, and we still can't get
42:45
Speaker 3: that blood number over a five. But who cares because
42:50
Speaker 3: she's sleeping and she's calm, and she feels fantastic, So
42:55
Speaker 3: we just go, okay, don't really care about the number
42:59
Speaker 3: we're dose and basing this on how you feel.
43:03
Speaker 2: What about dha D I just.
43:07
Speaker 3: Like it to be in range, you know, a little
43:09
Speaker 3: bit like upper quadrant of the range, over half of
43:11
Speaker 3: the range. If it's over range, I always then this
43:15
Speaker 3: is really interesting and something I see quite often. I go,
43:17
Speaker 3: are you taking any dha? They go no, I go, well,
43:19
Speaker 3: then you're stressed because when that DHA goes high and
43:22
Speaker 3: you're not taking an eight or I have them comb
43:25
Speaker 3: through their sow you sure it's not hidden somewhere and
43:27
Speaker 3: your supplements like biot in like, oh, look it's in
43:30
Speaker 3: my multi but yeah, I have them look to make
43:33
Speaker 3: sure that they're not taking dhia you're getting exposed to it,
43:36
Speaker 3: and then if it's high, then I go, then you're
43:38
Speaker 3: really stressed out.
43:40
Speaker 1: Okay, So what about some of the other supplements like
43:43
Speaker 1: divide with D three, calcium, magnesium, some of the other
43:48
Speaker 1: supplements that can affect your thigh?
43:50
Speaker 2: Right? What are they and what should they be? Level wise?
43:54
Speaker 3: So these are I'll go over some of the what
43:57
Speaker 3: I call the no dues supplements, so meaning of course
44:00
Speaker 3: you're gonna take these every day. So that's going to
44:03
Speaker 3: be your iodine, which is very very important for thyroid.
44:06
Speaker 3: If you are not taking iodine, it's going to show
44:09
Speaker 3: up as low. If you are taking it, it's going
44:12
Speaker 3: to show up as high. Really, no need to test
44:14
Speaker 3: for it. You just take it every selling the body
44:17
Speaker 3: needs it.
44:17
Speaker 1: Can you take iodine on your skin topically rather than
44:22
Speaker 1: gesting it?
44:24
Speaker 3: It's not as effective. So a lot of people do
44:26
Speaker 3: that as a as a test. It's kind of like
44:30
Speaker 3: an old school test of iodine that if you put
44:34
Speaker 3: it on your skin, you see how fast it absorbs,
44:36
Speaker 3: and that kind of tells you if you need or
44:37
Speaker 3: you don't. Yeah, I've interviewed doctor Brownstein. He's like, no,
44:41
Speaker 3: but not, you know, and he's the guru of iodine.
44:44
Speaker 3: I love this man's brain on iodine. He's written so
44:46
Speaker 3: many books. And yeah, it's just not as effective for
44:50
Speaker 3: a test, and it's not as as effective to be absorbed.
44:53
Speaker 3: Is that putting idon on a boo boo or something?
44:56
Speaker 3: That's fine?
44:57
Speaker 2: That is that deal? Brownstein from Hawaii?
45:00
Speaker 3: This is doctor David Brownstein.
45:02
Speaker 1: Oh okay, because there was a meal in Hawaii when
45:06
Speaker 1: I was living on Kawhi. And then what about selenium?
45:12
Speaker 3: Selenium that's a great question because so many fabric patients
45:15
Speaker 3: overdoe selenium because they read it in a blog. The
45:18
Speaker 3: selenium is fantastic for your thyroid, fantastic for conversion, but
45:22
Speaker 3: you can take too much. A lot of people will
45:24
Speaker 3: take two hundred and four hundred micrograms of selenium every
45:27
Speaker 3: single day. You really only need one hundred every other day.
45:31
Speaker 3: Or I say go natural and just eat like a
45:33
Speaker 3: couple of brazil nuts. And some people will say, you
45:35
Speaker 3: can't get enough selenium from brazil nuts. Listen, whenever we
45:38
Speaker 3: can get it from our food, let's get it from
45:40
Speaker 3: our food. If it happens to be you know, twenty
45:43
Speaker 3: five fifty micrograms in your multi that's fine. Just eat
45:47
Speaker 3: a brazil nut every day and that's going to cover you.
45:50
Speaker 1: And if you overdose some celenium, what's the result.
45:53
Speaker 3: You can push up your reverse TEA three and actually
45:56
Speaker 3: hinder conversion of T four to T three.
45:58
Speaker 2: Why is that?
46:01
Speaker 3: You know? I don't know the mechanism of action. I
46:03
Speaker 3: just see it as it's it's one of the things,
46:06
Speaker 3: one of the many things we look at when we're
46:09
Speaker 3: looking at elevated reverse T three and what triggers that.
46:12
Speaker 3: But whenever I see labs and someone is flagged high
46:16
Speaker 3: on Selenam. I'm like, let's back and down because that
46:19
Speaker 3: could be driving up your reverse T three. Let's back
46:21
Speaker 3: that on down.
46:23
Speaker 1: And I was told that you should always keep brazil
46:25
Speaker 1: nuts in the freezer, so that's where mine are. And
46:28
Speaker 1: then I take them out and I put them in
46:30
Speaker 1: a grinder and I just use it like on top
46:33
Speaker 1: of a smoothie or something.
46:35
Speaker 2: Is that all right to do?
46:36
Speaker 3: Oh? Yeah, I'm gonna start doing that. That sounds good.
46:39
Speaker 5: Yeah.
46:41
Speaker 1: Brazil nuts by themselves are pretty hard, and they don't
46:45
Speaker 1: always taste this good, but when you when you grind them,
46:48
Speaker 1: they become a powder and they taste really good. So
46:52
Speaker 1: that's what I usually put that with the flat seats.
46:55
Speaker 1: You know, because you're a critical nutritus as well as
47:00
Speaker 1: a functional medicine person.
47:03
Speaker 2: Doctor, what is the diet?
47:07
Speaker 1: And I know this is going to kill a lot
47:09
Speaker 1: of my viewers because they're not going to like what
47:11
Speaker 1: they hear, But what is the diet that you would
47:15
Speaker 1: optimally propose for hashimotos or for anyone who has a
47:20
Speaker 1: thyroid issue. They don't just don't feel good.
47:23
Speaker 3: Sure, well, I always say that your labs tell us
47:27
Speaker 3: how you should eat. So when we're looking at the
47:29
Speaker 3: breakdown of We'll break this down into a couple different sections.
47:33
Speaker 3: When we're looking at macronutrient breakdown, everyone hashimotos, hypothyroid or not.
47:40
Speaker 3: Every single person should be consuming at least one gram
47:44
Speaker 3: per pound of lean body mass of protein. Hands down.
47:48
Speaker 3: I mean, your your muscle is your organ of longevity.
47:52
Speaker 3: It's going to protect you as you age. It's going
47:54
Speaker 3: to protect your muscular skeletal system, it's going to protect
47:56
Speaker 3: your month. I mean, it's going to protect everything. It's
47:58
Speaker 3: going to make you more metabolically active, it's going to
48:00
Speaker 3: protect you if you against falls. It's just going to
48:02
Speaker 3: make you look better obviously body composition wise, so we
48:06
Speaker 3: need amino acids. We need protein to feel those muscles
48:09
Speaker 3: and to keep our muscles. So one grand per pound
48:11
Speaker 3: of lean body mouse. When it comes to the fat
48:13
Speaker 3: and carb ratio, that goes back to your labs. Are
48:16
Speaker 3: you insulin resistant? So when we're looking at insulin, I
48:21
Speaker 3: like that below a six fasting insulin. And when we're
48:24
Speaker 3: looking at a one C which is a three month
48:26
Speaker 3: snapshot of your blood glucose levels, I like that four
48:30
Speaker 3: point eight to five point two. So many times I
48:33
Speaker 3: see patients coming in with an A one C have
48:37
Speaker 3: a five point five, five point six, five point seven.
48:40
Speaker 3: Their doctor said nothing to them, and I'm like, well,
48:42
Speaker 3: per functional medicine, you are diabetic. Now is that coming
48:47
Speaker 3: from your thyroid function being off? And because these are
48:50
Speaker 3: the people, they could say, I eat keto, I eat carnivore,
48:55
Speaker 3: and my blood sugar should not be a high. Right,
48:58
Speaker 3: that's coming from your thyroid throwing off your glucose regulation
49:02
Speaker 3: and glucose metabolism. But and then we throw in things
49:06
Speaker 3: like I have blood sugar fixer in my line. That's burberine.
49:09
Speaker 3: I love that for lowering insulin. I love the T too,
49:13
Speaker 3: the T too that's in thyroid fixer. I love that
49:15
Speaker 3: because it's going to increase your metabolism. So as you
49:18
Speaker 3: lose weight, you can you can balance out your insulin
49:22
Speaker 3: and glucose in a better way. You can bring in
49:25
Speaker 3: more carbohydrates as your body sheds more fat, so you
49:28
Speaker 3: don't have to go as low carb as you were
49:30
Speaker 3: in the beginning. So that and then that also T
49:33
Speaker 3: two also helps with insulin resistance, So I love that.
49:36
Speaker 3: But it really the carves and fat breakdown is going
49:40
Speaker 3: to be dependent on whether or not you were insulin resistant. Now,
49:44
Speaker 3: I have had some patients come in who, yes, they
49:47
Speaker 3: are hypothyroid, but their bloodshir control is fine, so they
49:52
Speaker 3: can get away with more clean, good sources of carbohydrates
49:56
Speaker 3: than can the person that is insulin resistant.
49:59
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, so then okay, So what should be the
50:04
Speaker 1: diet the optimal diet with respect to gluten right back
50:08
Speaker 1: to well, you already talked about the protein, but you
50:11
Speaker 1: didn't say what kind of protein.
50:14
Speaker 3: So animal based protein, right, yeah, not non land based protein,
50:19
Speaker 3: so animal based protein that contains amino acid. So this
50:23
Speaker 3: does not mean beans or fake meat or soy. We
50:28
Speaker 3: should actually be soy free. I don't care if you
50:30
Speaker 3: use a little bit of soy sauce, but you should
50:33
Speaker 3: not be consuming soy milk, soy protein, and amma all
50:37
Speaker 3: of that because that can downregulate your thyroid function. Gluten free, yes,
50:42
Speaker 3: across the board, because of what we talked about earlier.
50:44
Speaker 3: Gluten can kick up autoimmunity and build your soldiers adequate
50:48
Speaker 3: amounts of protein and really just the you know, the
50:51
Speaker 3: no brainer stuff that I know it's for your audience,
50:55
Speaker 3: it would be a no brainer for the general population.
50:57
Speaker 3: You do have to kind of drive this home over
50:59
Speaker 3: an over again, get out the sugar, the seed oils,
51:04
Speaker 3: and just quit with the processed garbage. I mean, I
51:08
Speaker 3: know it's convenient, and even I, of course I will
51:11
Speaker 3: grab something processed in a box and a bag or whatever,
51:15
Speaker 3: but I also try and get it as minimal process
51:18
Speaker 3: as possible. So I have these new rooten free crackers.
51:21
Speaker 3: I found it Whole Foods and they're made with almond
51:23
Speaker 3: flour and they have maybe like five ingredients, all of
51:26
Speaker 3: which I can pronounce. Yeah, okay, But if you're picking
51:29
Speaker 3: up something and you look at that label and it
51:32
Speaker 3: has a bolt of ingredients that you can pronounce as
51:34
Speaker 3: canola oil, seed oil, anything like that in it, high
51:38
Speaker 3: ferctose corns are my god, that is horrendous for you.
51:41
Speaker 3: You gotta just avoid that.
51:43
Speaker 1: It's horrendous for everything, not just your thy right, so everything.
51:47
Speaker 2: Yeah, hopefully this.
51:49
Speaker 1: If our cake gets confirmed, we're going to have a
51:53
Speaker 1: champion for food integrity. And this is going to make
51:58
Speaker 1: a huge difference the people and the common person who
52:03
Speaker 1: isn't that disciplined or it doesn't really know that they're
52:07
Speaker 1: supposed to be looking at these ingredients.
52:10
Speaker 3: You know, yes, yes, I'm very excited.
52:13
Speaker 2: Yes, And what about way protein? Is that all right?
52:17
Speaker 1: I mean is black toase, okay, and eggs and that
52:22
Speaker 1: source of protein.
52:24
Speaker 3: I'm totally fine with that if you can handle it.
52:27
Speaker 3: Wave protein has a tendency to spike insulin, so if
52:31
Speaker 3: you are insulin resistant, I always push those people toward
52:35
Speaker 3: the beef isolate, like collagen based types of protein. Beef
52:39
Speaker 3: isolate is my favorite grasp that of course. But the
52:43
Speaker 3: way protein, you know, if you can, if you can
52:46
Speaker 3: handle it, if you take in a protein powder and
52:48
Speaker 3: you all of a sudden look six months pregnant after
52:51
Speaker 3: taking it and your stomach is rumbling, then maybe don't
52:55
Speaker 3: do that, Like that's your mondy telling you that you
52:58
Speaker 3: really can't handle it. And yeah, you can start off
53:00
Speaker 3: with some digestive enzymes. That's really helpful for digesting and
53:04
Speaker 3: breaking down your protein and assimilating the protein properly. But
53:08
Speaker 3: if your body respond like that, that's kind of a
53:10
Speaker 3: red flag, Like.
53:11
Speaker 1: Yeah, do that again, how do you feel? That's always
53:15
Speaker 1: the sixty four thousand dollars question. So all right, they
53:21
Speaker 1: just flagged me, and that means we're out almost out
53:24
Speaker 1: of time.
53:25
Speaker 2: So I'm going to ask.
53:26
Speaker 1: You to tell us more about your supplements and if
53:29
Speaker 1: you could spend a minute or two and then tell
53:32
Speaker 1: us what kind of wonderful, generous gift you're offering to
53:36
Speaker 1: our viewers today.
53:38
Speaker 3: Absolutely. Okay, so we kind of unpacked this tea too
53:42
Speaker 3: a little bit, but I'm going to give you a
53:44
Speaker 3: thirty second breakdown of it. So T two I have
53:48
Speaker 3: in my thyroid fixer product and my metabolism fixer product, right,
53:53
Speaker 3: and you don't have to have a fire problem and
53:55
Speaker 3: take fired fixer. But that was my baby. That was
53:58
Speaker 3: the very first product in the line, and I named it,
54:00
Speaker 3: of course after the brand after me. But I have
54:03
Speaker 3: been researching T two for fifteen years and it is amazing.
54:08
Speaker 3: It actually has over thirty years of research on it.
54:10
Speaker 3: What it does is it increases your base on metabolic grades,
54:13
Speaker 3: so literally the amount of fat that you're burning at rest,
54:15
Speaker 3: it will increase that so you get more metabolism. It
54:18
Speaker 3: works at the mitochondria level to produce to stimulate ATP production,
54:23
Speaker 3: so that's going to produce nice steady energy through the day,
54:26
Speaker 3: So no hives, no lows, no caffeinated stimulation, it's just
54:31
Speaker 3: that nice cellular energy that we should be experiencing throughout
54:35
Speaker 3: the day. So it improves fat burning, it improves energy function.
54:38
Speaker 3: It browns white atapose tissue. So that's why we're all
54:41
Speaker 3: jumping into cold plunges to actually, you know, brown and
54:44
Speaker 3: stimulate that white, squishy fat and turn it brown. It
54:47
Speaker 3: helps with it helps with insulin resistance, it helps with
54:52
Speaker 3: faty liver disease, It improves colester all panels. And it's
54:56
Speaker 3: just it's non stimulant. So you're not going to take
54:58
Speaker 3: that fat burner right back in the day, remember the
55:01
Speaker 3: fat burners that we thought, oh my god, we're gonna
55:03
Speaker 3: have a heart attack. It doesn't do that. So it's
55:05
Speaker 3: a beautiful fat burner.
55:07
Speaker 2: Ephedra and caffeine.
55:09
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean we all damn near died from that.
55:11
Speaker 3: So yeah, and when we look at the human studies,
55:18
Speaker 3: we are seeing an average of a nine pound weight
55:22
Speaker 3: loss or four percent body fat reduction in twenty eight days.
55:28
Speaker 3: So it really is amazing. And I think that this
55:31
Speaker 3: should I think T two should come in as the
55:34
Speaker 3: forefront of fighting this obesity epidemic that we have. Rather
55:39
Speaker 3: than giving everyone these expensive glps where you lose muscle
55:43
Speaker 3: and you lose facial fat and you get o zepic
55:46
Speaker 3: face and a flat butt. You know, let's use something
55:49
Speaker 3: that's safe and T two does not burn your muscle.
55:53
Speaker 3: It leaves your muscle alone. So even when you listen
55:55
Speaker 3: to trainers, to professional bodybuilders, professional ficket fitness and things,
56:00
Speaker 3: your athletes, they will tell you that they only use
56:03
Speaker 3: T two. They do not allow their athletes to abuse
56:07
Speaker 3: T three because it can burn muscles, so they only
56:09
Speaker 3: use T two so it protects your muscle. So we
56:12
Speaker 3: have that in Thyroid Fixer Metabolism Fixer. Also in those
56:15
Speaker 3: both are it's l tyracin. That's one of the ingredients
56:18
Speaker 3: in them as well, which helps your thirey exlam produce
56:21
Speaker 3: more T for and T three. So that's a bonus
56:23
Speaker 3: for everyone across the board. And yes, we are giving
56:27
Speaker 3: your audience a twenty percent discount. So anything on the
56:32
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56:36
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56:41
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56:43
Speaker 3: So you can actually try Thyroid Fixer Metabolism Fixer boost
56:47
Speaker 3: that metabolism and you'll see dramatic differences.
56:51
Speaker 1: Okay, so let's say is what about absorption. What if
56:54
Speaker 1: someone's really toxic and they're not absorbing their supplements through
56:58
Speaker 1: their liver, is that going to affect Is there anything
57:02
Speaker 1: in your products that helps to improve absorption.
57:07
Speaker 3: So we'll do a couple of different things. Number One,
57:10
Speaker 3: I do have liver Fixer in my line, so I
57:12
Speaker 3: might put someone on. If someone is that extreme, I'll
57:15
Speaker 3: put them on Liver Fixer. Will run that for maybe
57:18
Speaker 3: two three weeks before adding another supplement in. Okay, and
57:21
Speaker 3: then if we are adding another supplement in here's the thing.
57:25
Speaker 3: Metabolism Fixer is in powder form and it tastes really good.
57:29
Speaker 3: It actually tastes like tang but it's naturally sweetened with stevia.
57:32
Speaker 3: It's actually sweetened with ono sweet, which is a fermented stevia.
57:36
Speaker 3: So even people who can't tolerate stevia can can tolerate
57:40
Speaker 3: the firm and take fermented stevia. Yeah, and you know,
57:42
Speaker 3: you just put that in your water and you sip
57:44
Speaker 3: on it, and that way it is more readily absorbed
57:47
Speaker 3: that way, So anyone with absorption issues or major gut issues,
57:53
Speaker 3: I would say use the metabolism fixer because it's powder.
57:55
Speaker 1: Okay, good, good, Well, Amy, I just I I want
58:00
Speaker 1: to keep going because it's so fascinating and you have well,
58:05
Speaker 1: first of all, you're probably one of the best looking guests.
58:08
Speaker 2: I've ever had, so sorry to thank you.
58:10
Speaker 1: Wonderful male guests who I have some amazing male you know,
58:16
Speaker 1: fitness people and doctors who are really.
58:18
Speaker 2: In the know, but you take the cake.
58:20
Speaker 1: So anyway, I tell you that you could come on
58:23
Speaker 1: and you have so much energy, so different than where you.
58:26
Speaker 2: Were twenty five years ago.
58:28
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're not kidding, So thank you for being here.
58:31
Speaker 2: I'm so sorry.
58:32
Speaker 1: I had this terrible cold and I'm not myself, but
58:35
Speaker 1: I think we did a good job.
58:36
Speaker 2: I think it's great.
58:37
Speaker 1: But it's all because of you that you know so
58:41
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58:44
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58:50
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58:54
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58:57
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59:02
Speaker 3: Absolutely, we absolutely will just chag us and we'll post
59:05
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59:06
Speaker 1: I love it all right, Well, you have a great weekend,
59:08
Speaker 1: and thank you again.
59:09
Speaker 3: Thanks Michelle okay, take care,