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Could Soccer Overtake the NFL? // Seahawks' New Owner // Terrion Arnold's Future · The MMQB NFL Podcast

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[SPEAKER_00]: And hello, welcome to the MMQD NFL podcast.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm kind of really good to have a great little octopus blower for me today.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We just had our neighborhood weekend fun fast, where we basically like live at the lake for two straight days.
0:20
[SPEAKER_00]: It was phenomenal, but a lot of yelling, a lot of screaming.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Got my ass kicked by my wife in a 600 meter swim across the lake.
0:31
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, really?
0:32
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we see if to take a boat to the other side and, you know, she, she was an excellent swimmer and so a little bit.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And let's swim her then.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, she swim a little bit in college.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So she's like, she did a team after college and everything like that, too.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So there's no shame in getting you're asked to buy a college one or no, but.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But the problem is I got out and so you swim from the opposite end of the lake to the beach and so all of our kids are there and our friends are there and our friends who came in for the party, our friends who live in the neighborhood, there's, you know, 150 people on the beach and so I get out and I'm looking around and I don't see her and I'm like, oh my god.
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[SPEAKER_00]: like, I did it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I cut it and then I see her over there and she's been dry for like two minutes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She's sorry.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, oh, shit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She's sorry.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She's already like getting a beard.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like my son's just like, oh, mom was done a long time ago.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Dad and no, it's like, all right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Dad didn't need the emergency boat to get out of the way to get out of the way to get out of the way to get out of the way to get out of the way to get out of the way to get out of the way to get out of the way to get out of the way to get out of the way to get out of the way to get out of the way to get out of the way to get out of the way to get out of the way to get out of the way to get out of the way to get out of the way to get out of the way to get out of the way to get out of the way to get out of the way to get out of the way to get out of the way to get out of the way to get out of the way to get out of the way to get out of the way to get out of the way to get out of the way to get out of the way to get out of the way to get out of the way to get out of the way to get out of the way to get out of the way
1:53
[SPEAKER_00]: But it was a great time a good time and Albert.
1:56
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm just curious.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Were you feeling any of the heat when you were gone?
1:59
[SPEAKER_00]: Because you replaced me with Brady Quinn, much to my screen.
2:02
[SPEAKER_00]: We've talked about this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I tried to get some elite both body guys and name guys.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so James Palmer one day.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then Ryan Pagnetti, the former director of analytics for the Eagles and the Jags and the Raiders saw that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And did you hear this?
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[SPEAKER_00]: So after the show, Ryan Pagnetti told me 30,000 new followers on Twitter for Ryan.
2:29
[SPEAKER_01]: How about that?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Isn't that awesome?
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[SPEAKER_00]: By the way, you need to be following our big client.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you need to be following Ryan.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's going to do so much good stuff this season on social.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So you have to follow it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm glad that like just as I brought in another name guy, you brought it in Ohio State guy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And like James, I would say like one of the things like one of the departments, I'm pretty good in.
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[SPEAKER_01]: is like hair for somebody in his 40s, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Sure.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm good hair for somebody in his 40s.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You might have one out of me on that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, yeah, James is pretty good in that category.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Second, it's like when you're mad at your wife, you know, you got to pick a, you know, you got to pick somebody that's going to make him a little jealous, you know, you know, and so I walked around with JP.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I introduced him his former Ohio State quarterback, James Palmer, and then I just assumed that nobody was going to check up on that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and hopefully they didn't.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So a lot happened over the last couple weeks and we're going to get to new seahawks ownership at the back end of the show, Terian Arnold at the back end of the show, and maybe some other stuff we have time.
3:36
[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to start with the World Cup as it relates to the NFL because there's a couple things that are going on here that I think are interesting the first time.
3:46
[SPEAKER_01]: Because I think this is interesting.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Do you have a dog in the fight here?
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[SPEAKER_01]: No.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I kind of do.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'll tell you why I don't because here's the one thing that I hope that the NFL does not learn from the world because the world cup is clearly borrowed from the NFL with hydration breaks that and I mean that is I mean straight out of the NFL playbook right one million percent like that's what the NFL would do if they were in FIFA shoes it's like yeah are we paid X for this amount of
4:22
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, like we're charging the network's X for this amount like how do we give it back to them in the back end and I think what was the number like FIFA was making like Or Fox making some like 500 million off the commercial breaks or off the hydration breaks.
4:35
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Get calm commercial breaks are not commercial breaks.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're strictly for the safety of the players
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I will say that the other end of the day in our condition dome stadiums.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, yeah, you need to stay because what it was 2014, I think it might have been Rio where it was like a hundred degrees and so they were like you have to stop sometimes like if it was I think it was it was above 98 degrees or if it was 99 degrees or there was some threshold that I was reading about the other day.
5:04
[SPEAKER_00]: where if it was above that number, you had to give them a certain number of hydration breaks for like even that right yeah because they had to move the whole tournament to November December.
5:14
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they moved the Katari World Cup to December and I don't think there were hydration breaks during that World Cup.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But the thing about because I was thinking about this especially yesterday, um,
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[SPEAKER_00]: one of my friends dad's came down to our festival thing we're having and he's from Egypt and I looked at him and I was like dude we were robbed and like I adopted Egypt is like my home country for the world cup and he's going on he's like I can't believe it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you thought the NFL had a problem convincing people that their officials are not crooked, welcome to FIFA in the world cup.
5:53
[SPEAKER_00]: Holy, everybody is trying to help Massey and Argentina, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I have that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, the big names, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that it's hard to argue that
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[SPEAKER_00]: England, Spain, Argentina, and who's the last, the last team in the final?
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[SPEAKER_01]: England, Spain, France.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, in France.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, France has been beating the living between France and the other, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: France is like Nick Sabin, Alabama, right now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I know when I say that shell, we can clip it.
6:20
[SPEAKER_01]: Everybody's gonna get super offended that I completely have to be a college football team.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, you know what they are, though, they are, they're like, it would be like,
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[SPEAKER_00]: it would be like if you combined the greatest show on turf rams and had them coached by like Greg Popovich but Greg Popovich knew everything about football.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's the perfect cup.
6:40
[SPEAKER_01]: My nine year old Drew, who is a Savah, when it comes to this, and he's gotten me into soccer, like I'm, I feel like I'm evolve now, like I've evolved from like the meathead who was tweeting like,
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like a now a soccer analysis, you know what I mean to troll everybody like you know in 10 and 14 and 18 to now like I I actually have like come this real growth for me, I've actually come to like enjoy it and I'm trying to understand it a little bit better because I always got annoyed by like that that the soccer hipster, you know, like who yeah like everybody you're an idiot for not.
7:20
[SPEAKER_01]: Following this, but then if you try to follow it, I'm going to insult your intelligence.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like 100%, you wear scarves and goes to the bar and watches like, you know, newcastle on Saturday mornings.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, like, that guy, I still don't have any time for that guy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I'm getting to appreciate it more.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I friends have played high school soccer, who follow the Premier League and everything else.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's like, it's really interesting to fall.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But Drew has informed me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So his favorite player now is favorite player for a long time is Ronaldo.
7:51
[SPEAKER_01]: Because he won't, and I appreciate this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He wanted to go the other way.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Everybody loves Messi.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He went the other way.
7:56
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So this Olese, so he was telling me, like, I knew how good obviously in Bob A was.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I knew how good Dimbele was.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And he told me he's like, Olese is probably one of the top six or seven players in the world too.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So he's like, they've got like three of the top like five, six, seven, whatever you wanna call players in the world.
8:20
[SPEAKER_01]: And then I found out Olese isn't even from there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Did you know this?
8:26
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I mean, the wrong one.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The wrong one.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's been all started.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, yes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, so the chief complaint like with Poticino and America is like, well, they got to do like they call it dual citizenship hunting and you know, and it's almost like NIL transfers, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like you got to poach, you know, somebody with like some sort of citizenship
8:53
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I mean, you could have played for Austria or, uh, not that much of my deal with citizenship because when you're 18, you have to spend a year in the army in Austria.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so I just declined to do that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But, um, I, I would love to see that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, Albert and like an Austrian army to form.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, we can just get AI to generate at this point.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Two things here, specific to the World Cup, as we look at this.
9:25
[SPEAKER_00]: You brought this up before the show.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Do you think that the numbers, which are legitimately approaching NFL numbers, will change anything, I say no, what do you say?
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I think Floreo, I want to say it was Floreo said that, and this is, I'm parodying it a little bit, but like I think he said this is like the roughly at conference championship game numbers, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Wow.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Which is, I like in the same.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like I like that's better than every other sport in America, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like no one in America, baseball basketball, hockey, college football,
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[SPEAKER_01]: bananas numbers.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So the fact that you're there and granted it's only once every four years thing, but you know, I thought a lot about this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so for me, what I thought was interesting to at least think about is I think soccer,
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[SPEAKER_01]: is a little bit more of a threat to football than other sports in this country are.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And the reason I say that is because in most parts of America, not everywhere, but in most parts of America, it's a fall sport, which means it's indirect competition with football.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It means the participation numbers are, I think, the participation numbers, which is the NFL,
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[SPEAKER_01]: like this, this could be an issue because if soccer is getting more mainstream, cooler, whatever, I mean, look, like soccer as a participation sports existed as country forever.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like I grew up in the 80s, everyone at least tried soccer when they were kindergarten, first grade secondary.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now a lot of us, and I'm sure it was the same where you grew up,
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[SPEAKER_01]: A lot of us in fourth or fifth or sixth grade switched over to tackle football.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that was sort of a bit for soccer.
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[SPEAKER_01]: My own kid, my own, my oldest did that, you know?
11:28
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So like, I just, the thing I think that football needs to pay attention to here, and the NFL needs to pay attention to here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And this is where I think they haven't done a good enough job at the grassroots level.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like an evangelist when it comes to this stuff.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So there's a much bigger conversation for me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like I think the NFL has to be cognizant of this is a sport that can take participation away from you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Basketball is not really doing that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Baseball is not really doing that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Hockey is not really doing that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is a sport that can do it because
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is a sport that's played in the same season and again, if you break that trend, if there is that fifth player, sixth player, seventh player who's watching all of this now, and is viewing it differently than we viewed it in the 80s or you viewed it in the 90s, it just has different perception of the whole thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe that kid is less likely to make that
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[SPEAKER_01]: Especially when you consider the head injury stuff and the safety concerns and it becomes easier for a parent to convince or kid that you should stick with soccer and not switch over to tackle football.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's just something I think they need to be cognizant up and here's where I think the NFL needs to do a better job.
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[SPEAKER_01]: stop lying to us about it, you know, like, and I, I, I, I, I really feel like it's important that these things are addressed head on and directly and like, look, like, it's never going to be a safe, a completely safe sport.
13:05
[SPEAKER_01]: But, you know, I, I still hear a lot of the, you know, because they're worried about the legal ramifications and everything,
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[SPEAKER_01]: they aren't telling you the full truth on like what the problems are.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I see it like in the youth level, like I coach, like I see I've seen it coach the wrong way.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it infuriates me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's because like you, you, you idiot, you're doing the game of disservice because you're teaching kids to play it the wrong way because you want to be a tough guy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And now like that get like like now,
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[SPEAKER_01]: you know, you're driving people away.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Why?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because you think that's the right that no.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like figure out like I was I felt like I was coach through correct way when I was a kid and so like at that level, like I think the NFL needs to be aggressive now about making sure it's coach the right way at that level, making sure that the kids who are participating at 10, 11, 12, 13 years old,
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[SPEAKER_01]: are getting the right information and being taught the right way.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so that's where I think the issue is for football, from a big picture perspective, is can soccer capitalize on this and keep some of the kids that generally would move in fourth and fifth and sixth grade to tackle football.
14:31
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's a fair question to ask, and I think it's something the NFL has to have as right are up for.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Again, because I think we know what happens to sports when participation numbers drop, and I think it's an essential part of the game, and it's it's honestly it's part of why they've been so big with flag overseas because it's a hard sport to import and there's only so so much you can grow.
14:57
[SPEAKER_01]: When kids aren't actually playing the sport, so they're exporting another version of the sport that's a little bit easier to play, where you don't need a full set of paths and 11 people on each side.
15:11
[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm glad you said that because that's the other part of this that I think I find interesting right because what was the big argument and I think a lot of Soccer analysts were sitting on this puppy and they had it teed up high in case we got our asses kicked by Belgium, which we did.
15:28
[SPEAKER_00]: which is that we have no youth development program that's worth the while in soccer in America because and you and I both know this as kids, as parents of kids and traveling sports, right?
15:43
[SPEAKER_00]: It is a grind, it is a, in a financial commitment.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, to be really good at soccer and to be at the level where you're eventually going to be at the U.S. developmental team,
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[SPEAKER_00]: your family has to be affluent, has to be, and there's no question about that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And what's strange is that, like, we say overseas, it's impossible to get football going because of the pads and because of the equipment and because of the rules and all that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, heck, it's a prep school sport in Canada, right, you know what I mean?
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[SPEAKER_00]: across like football and basketball, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Are
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[SPEAKER_00]: are cross across the spectrum.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're so ingrained that, like, it's obvious what I mean, you're going to get the pads.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's automatic that you're going to get, you know what I mean?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like it's, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's like the, that's like the bigger conversation, but it's like the reverse of like hockey, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Hockey is a white collar sport in America.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Very white collar sport in America.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's exceptions, but for the most part, that's what it is, because
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like the institutions aren't taking on the costs, you want to mean, and so you've got to pay for everything in hockey and America, whereas in Canada, the institutions take on the costs, the institutions develop the same way the institutions here in America take on the cost and the institutions develop football players.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And like, I think that part of it's really interesting too.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I thought about this a little like a lot of the conversations about the cost because I mean, you and I both have a young kids.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure you've had a lot of these conversations too.
17:22
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's, it's really interesting because I think about how many kids, how many guys that we cover in the NFL where they're only way out was, or at least they've viewed it that way.
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[SPEAKER_01]: My only way out is this sport.
17:39
[SPEAKER_01]: And I read this story as a great story.
17:41
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it was, it was Mark Fanneroo.
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[SPEAKER_01]: How do you pronounce his name?
17:45
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's Fanneroo.
17:47
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Fanneroo, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Sorry, Mark.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Mark Fanneroo is a great journalist, but I wrote this story that he wrote on soccer in Argentina.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh my God, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Please read it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If I'd have an incredible piece of journalism.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And but it would, but but but was struck me about it was like,
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[SPEAKER_01]: A lot of those kids like a lot of those families viewed it as their only way out and there's something to that, you know what I mean, where in America, I don't think there are very many kids playing soccer that view soccer that way, you know, but there are a lot of kids who play football or basketball that are like that so, you know, it's just it's just different that way, I don't know why like for the life of me, maybe they have.
18:32
[SPEAKER_01]: Why hasn't U.S. soccer gone into some of the ethnic neighborhoods and tried to set up a cat?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, there's a bigger conversation to have there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I think that there is that element of it, too.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And now we're way down the rabbit pole.
18:44
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I think what it is is that do we sit there and do we just accept the fact that culturally, football is just American football, is just kind of who we are.
18:57
[SPEAKER_00]: And like you said, like every high school,
19:00
[SPEAKER_00]: Every town's got some access to sleds pads.
19:05
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you know all that kind of stuff and that there's just less of an interest and and whatever it is But it makes sense that the NFL is seeing this and use thing
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think you should be doubling down on this is gonna be like another everyone thinks this is like a Connor anti football globalist take but it's not it's just like they should be continuing to poor resources into american flag as well as overseas but like american flag being the priority because you know that's how you continue to keep those kids in football in the football ecosystem
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[SPEAKER_00]: We have kids, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: You go to parks, you go, you pick them up at school, whatever.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I mean, I remember my own elementary school days.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, there was never a moment, never.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't ever remember once anyone saying, let's play pick up soccer.
20:04
[SPEAKER_00]: It was always, I have a ball, I have a football, and either we'll play Randy Moss.
20:09
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what you guys called Randy Moss because you were 30 by the time that he was in the NFL, but like Randy Moss was that one kid stayed on one end and shot it into a, okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Jack by my kids called Jack pot, we called it 500.
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[SPEAKER_01]: 500.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We got a 500 because you would yell, whoever's throwing the ball would yell a number out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it was like 50, 100, 200.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And you got that number.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then whoever got to 500 first won and became the thrower.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, because being the throwers the best, let's be real.
20:42
[SPEAKER_00]: You don't want to have the grind in there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But they're called a 500.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I feel like that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It has a lot to do with why football in America is the game that soccer analysts are now hoping that soccer becomes, which is a true representation of like across the spectrum, you know, how much money you have, where are you from, all that kind of stuff like you go into an NFL locker room and it is a true cross-licing society, you know, cross-section of America.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's cross-section of America.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now,
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[SPEAKER_00]: our former colleague Robert Climpo did a great story on this, which I urge people to go see uh... reads in the mmkb archives quarterbacks are different where probably about eighty percent of NFL quarterbacks were from some sort of a white upper class american family who went to throwing camps in the middle of the mountains they're they're they're separate from the like all first like there now i would argue this though
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think what's interesting is, and I may have something coming on this, that the best ones weren't that way.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Some of the best ones weren't that way.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, and again, that goes to what, what is Patrick Mahomes say when you interview?
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[SPEAKER_00]: What is Russell Wilson evangelize when you interview?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Multisport, I played every sport, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so Allen was a great basketball player, baseball player in high school,
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[SPEAKER_01]: could have been like he was he had like ACC offers in basketball.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Joe Burrow was in all state basketball player.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's the evidence is overwhelming.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I think Omar Jackson might be the one exception in that upper echelon.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Matt Stafford played baseball.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think with Clayton Kirsha, right, in high school.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't think so.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Matt.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, so, oh, you had to call Matthew.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I just like to be courteous about that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Is there a preference?
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, he prefers Matthew.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, he prefers Matthew.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I slept sometimes, but I say, man, but but it's Matthew.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Matthew.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Matthew.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Matthew.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I, I, I, Mateo.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so anyway.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I do think what I think is valuable about this world cup experience.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And
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[SPEAKER_00]: So my mentor, one of my mentors in this business, Steve Politi, who's the calmness for the star ledger in an NJ.com.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He did a whole series on the price of the run.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You sports in New Jersey, which is phenomenal.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, if that doesn't win the highest sports writing awards for this year, I don't know what's wrong with people.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But like,
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[SPEAKER_00]: it's it's all going back to that it's the nerve center of that discussion and I think what's cool about the world cup is it's brought this to center stage because you know we have this team that's like this American team without a lot of grit you know we have our star player I guess checking out like 25 minutes for the end of the game and I guess he was heard or whatever it was you know but I you know landed on him and came out said he doesn't like talk to anybody he's not like
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it comes from these people who, you know, the sports in their blood, since they were little that they're playing it and, you know, that you are in the front of it when I have friends that swear like that like the
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[SPEAKER_01]: kids playing like straight ball in Argentina and Brazil like that's why they're so creative.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's always the same way that that's why they see it the way that they do.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, because there's different styles of it, two right in soccer, you play indoor in the winter, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so maybe you're playing a ball off the wall, you know, whatever it is, you know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: on nantucket.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is really interesting.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So like my good friends of ours, the the katilius is they own a store town pool and then talk it with become friendly with them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They have a soccer game every morning that our kids play on and it's playing and it's crazy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's great way to like, we're on vacation, get them out there early, they go running around.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's called phonenio and it's how the Germans teach soccer.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There are no goalies in there are two goals on each side and there are little goals, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it teaches the kids to move the ball and like, like, so there's that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Then I know there's a foot saw, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, which I think is, I think that's soccer inside a gym.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So there's, there's different versions of it too that, um, yeah, I mean, it's, there's like a, there's, there's a ton of reasons why, like, it feels to me at least.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm no expert on this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I like, I probably knew,
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[SPEAKER_01]: I probably could have named like two players on the American team three months ago.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's like, I'm not an expert in this, you know, but but I do think like I do think that there's, there's definitely like a, it's so ingrained in other parts of the world, you know, like that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just, it's not easy to get to get to where they are.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And the weird thing is like this to me is a really weird thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, and I think like this is what I wonder about.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So basketball, right, like his ours.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But and like those other teams, like those other teams generally can't beat us in basketball.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But Spain can produce, you know, palgasal, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And France can produce Victor Wemin, Yamma and Tony Parker.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And Germany can produce George Nevitsky and, you know, on and on and on Serbia has obviously produced a ton of guys, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like I believe Yoke Chis, Nikolai Yoke Chis, is he Serbian?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Is that right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think he is, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I can't, anyway, the point is, like, those countries generally can't beat us, but they're producing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Serbia.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're producing guys who are the best in the world.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's the part that I don't really understand.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, because we have, we can't produce one of those.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because why this is the central thesis of what we've been talking about.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Basketball has gone, AAU, AAU, AAU, pay to play.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You have to be on this team.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You have to be on this team.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You have to be on this team.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They've gotten away and they're starting to get away from their roots, and that's what the NFL has to be wearing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: One, what's that?
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[SPEAKER_00]: One player.
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[SPEAKER_01]: A-A-A-A, who goes to like Liverpool when he's eight, you know what I mean?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, A-A-U destroys.
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[SPEAKER_00]: like everything and pay to play and all these tournament teams they destroy everything there's a great book George Dorman wrote this book play your hearts out about AAU basketball and it's analogous to soccer too I think where it's just like
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[SPEAKER_00]: Lives are ruined parents are driving themselves nuts.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's heartbreaking if you want to read it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I highly suggest it.
27:52
[SPEAKER_00]: Anyway Let's get to some news because the sea hawks have a new way.
27:58
[SPEAKER_01]: I do have a dog in the fight.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I will say I'll get to put a ball on that
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[SPEAKER_01]: Believe it or not, I'm rooting for England.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I never would have said that before.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I just think that there is a, I think their team is likable.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think their stars are likable.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think there is a tangible bond between their people, their fans, and those players that you can see on TV.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I can't believe I'm saying that I'm moving for England.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm part Irish.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I should be rooting against England.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, yeah, I kind of like the English team.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'll take a hard pass on that one.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I have a franchisee, so I guess I'm wearing three probably eight oasis too, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Just a little overrated anyway.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, news, uh, let's get back to it.
28:48
[SPEAKER_00]: Like we said, uh, we have a couple of news topics that we want to hit the first being that the Seahawks have a new owner.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And, uh, record price, uh, record price for the franchise sale.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What was it?
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[SPEAKER_00]: 8.9 billion?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think.
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[SPEAKER_00]: the commanders were in the sixes, and so interesting structure here where the profits from the seahawks are going to go to a non-profit, which is incredible.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because anything that was
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[SPEAKER_01]: Coast law.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Coast law.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, and so now there are a lot of questions about obviously how this is going to work.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, and how this is going to look.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But the controlling owners in this his wife is going to be kind of the forward facing controlling owners son is going to have a lot of involvement.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What I've heard is this son is going to run it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yo cut, which is his son's name is Neal, um, he was, um, so they own, I believe the number was, I'm just like looking through some of my communication for the weekend, um, I believe stay on 3% of the Niners.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're obviously going to have to do the best that now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, so he was sort of the day-to-day contact for the Niners Neil was.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's a younger guy, he's really sharp, and years and years and years ago, they live in the Bay Area.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He actually interned in the Niners Football Operations Department, worked on the salary cap.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So he's got good, like, background in football.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, I think the intentions probably to make this like, you know, similar to Terry Kim Pagola and Buffalo when they bought the team.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Make this like kind of like, hey, like, this is a, this is going to be run by the family, you know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But it feels to me a little bit like Neil is going to be the one that's going to be sort of the hands on owner and you know it's interesting because you never know I mean here's the thing about this right and I would say this
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[SPEAKER_01]: about this is nothing against the coastlaws who I'm still learning about, who I think we're all still learning about, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like I didn't know, I know anything about them before the sales process.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Here's what I think every fan base has to be, has to have the radar up for.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think you're seeing this in a lot of different sports now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: These teams have become such incredible investments.
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[SPEAKER_01]: that you're attracting a type of owner now, who is in it as not just a, I want this, I want to be in football and help my team, no, they've viewed as a business, yep, proposition.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think, you know, you're seeing this across sports.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think it's hurt certain franchises across sports.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Again, nothing to do with the coast laws, they might wind up being the best owners in the NFL.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But these teams have become such great investments.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The appreciation, just look at the numbers.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like I, the bills I believe sold in 2014 for 1.4 billion than the Panthers were, I think it was 2.275 billion in 2018.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That is only, that's eight years ago.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And we're talking about a team selling for more than four times that much.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, Seattle's more valuable than care.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I get it, but like still, like that's an amazing rate of an appreciation.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I remember talking to somebody about one of these owners that bought one of these teams.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was an NFL team.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not going to name the team, but
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[SPEAKER_01]: They say, yeah, he thinks somebody told, oh, yeah, he views this is like a real estate holding.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, why would you, why would you buy it in a fell?
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, well, what other business is going to guarantee the level of appreciation and a fell team will, it's an incredible investment.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so I think that this exists across sports now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The private equity things definitely a part of it where, okay, you know,
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[SPEAKER_01]: is my owner in it because he wants to win or is he in it to win, but to win so long as I'm doing good business along the way.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That makes sense.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And you have all out into his credit and then Jody too.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Sort of, I mean, I'm not going to say they gave like the, the, you know,
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[SPEAKER_01]: But it was sort of like that, like go run it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And they were always very well staffed.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They were always very well resource.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And if you've been there to their facility and in Washington State, you've seen it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, it's a first class operation in every way.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so the bar is gonna be really high for these guys coming in.
33:55
[SPEAKER_00]: What I would say is this, and this has come up a couple of times already, where you have like the the Lakers just cut like whatever it was, 30, 40 jobs.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You had Tom Dunn in the owner of the Trailblazers, who has a coach now in a one-year contract.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Which is crazy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And my soul.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Holy crap.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He wasn't traveling to a players and his team, the Carolina Hurricanes, which he runs similarly, just won the Stanley on the Stanley cup.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so my fear with any owner coming in, right, is that they see Tom doing that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And you know, I think it goes back to like,
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it was the chargers, whatever it was a couple months ago, where they posted like a job for like 50 grants in LA, you know, to do, you know, a lot of work, right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And at some point, the capitalizing on that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: is, and trying to run it like a business because you can get a hundred crazy people to work for a football team for next and nothing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I mean?
35:06
[SPEAKER_01]: And so, you know, and that's obviously- And that's always gonna be an element of anything and sports and entertainment.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's hard, that's why it's hard to break into it because there's a ton of people who are willing to, right, to go, to do whatever it takes to get in.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so I think that whenever we see a new owner coming in, the fear, like, are you going to be awesome?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, like I hate to say, like, because the team hasn't had a lot of success, but like, are you going to be awesome?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, Mark Davis is awesome.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, where, like, Mark Davis does spend a lot of money, you know?
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[SPEAKER_01]: He, like, he wanted a capital to be able to go on win, which in the capital he wanted respect, he wanted legitimacy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, a lot of the things that he did, and you know, are you going to be awesome, like, I'm trying to think of some examples.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, like,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Steven Ross to the dolphins, like everyone there feels exceptionally well treated.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I think the ultimate examples, the Eagles.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, the Eagles.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like literally spending cash over a cap and like constantly doing, you know, because I, so
36:16
[SPEAKER_01]: Look, I think you can cross sports with this too.
36:18
[SPEAKER_01]: The NFL has always had the funding rule as kind of the red herring, you know what I mean?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, and then they have other rules that are in place.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're like, well, we can't do that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, or we can't do this because of that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's, I think what the second apron is in the NBA is like the owners negotiated this stuff in where it's like, you look at it and it's like, oh, well, it's just money, you know?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then it becomes an excuse for them not to spend more than they want to spend other teams.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's almost like a subtle version of collusion, you know?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
36:51
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, the funding rule for people who don't know is like, I mean, it was, I mean, Connor, you know who the steagles were, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh yeah, when during the war, right, Steelers and Eagles had to combine to this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
37:05
[SPEAKER_01]: So the funding rose from that era and the funding rose put in place where you had to put every dollar that was guaranteed to a player, but wasn't paid yet into escrow.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And the reason why it was it insured that that player would get his money because some of these teams were in such dire financial strays that there was a risk that they that the teams couldn't make the payments.
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[SPEAKER_01]: so that rule is necessary back then.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That rule still exists.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And the rule, like, I really only exists.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And the only reason the role owners fight to keep because why would they want to put their money in escrow is because it could become as an excuse, not to guarantee contracts.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
37:45
[SPEAKER_01]: You know?
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, like, I think that that exists too.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I would say this too.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think this is one thing that people have to understand about, like, just kind of who these guys are.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: In those circles, the guys they make fun of, the guys that they point laugh at, they aren't the ones that are losing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're the ones that can't get out of their own way for a distance standpoint.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Mike Brown took a ton of crap for a ton of years from most other NFL owners for having his dad's name on a stadium.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yep.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like you idiot, you could sell that for X, Y, or Z.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, you know, like that's the teams that don't have their bleep together from a business standpoint.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Get pointed at it and made fun of more in those circles than the teams that don't win.
38:42
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's, it's, it's impossible to respect as the business man.
38:50
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, at the day what they respect is the good business man.
38:53
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's what's impossible for us to fathom.
38:56
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's why, like, because that's why, when everybody says, oh, who cares, right, this team has a new owner, who cares, doesn't matter.
39:05
[SPEAKER_00]: It does because we are now, especially with the injection of private equity, right?
39:15
[SPEAKER_00]: You look at it as a set of balancing scales, right?
39:18
[SPEAKER_00]: And when football first started, you had the core families, it was out of love, it's passion, it's wanting to win.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And with every one of these new owners, the scales tip even more towards like, we're gonna make a lot of money on this, we're gonna make a lot of money on this, we're gonna make a lot of money on this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And how many more of these teams turn over?
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[SPEAKER_00]: to the people who simply want to run in his business.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think when we find that ratio, we hit that ratio, we're gonna find out how much that sucks.
39:52
[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I mean?
39:53
[SPEAKER_00]: Like it's, my writer, my wrong, because it's like that we need, and I know this is crazy to say, we need the Earth's, we need the Davises.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We need the, with the runes, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: That this is, it's their family's legacy on the line and not like, oh, my dad runs like Purdue chicken and we bought this to dump a bunch of, you know, bought this to, is a tax shelter, you know?
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's, and that's a thing is, you know what I mean?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, that's like, it's like, well, I have 15 other businesses.
40:28
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, great, you know, like, do you really care about my football team?
40:31
[SPEAKER_01]: And I, I can tell you, like,
40:34
[SPEAKER_01]: The giant struggles over the last 15 years, there is nobody that bothers more than John Marra.
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[SPEAKER_01]: nobody.
40:44
[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean?
40:45
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
40:45
[SPEAKER_01]: There is nobody that is dying inside more over the giants, problems over the last 50, then he cares deeply.
40:55
[SPEAKER_01]: And like he, like his priority is the giants, because it's his family.
41:01
[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean?
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[SPEAKER_01]: His family's legacy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I,
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[SPEAKER_01]: you know, you can question everything, you know, there's a lot of things you can question that organization over the course of the last decade and a half, but I think that's one thing you can never question that he wants to win.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And he's willing to do whatever.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And you're right, like, if this is just part of your portfolio, do you view it the same way?
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, like, I think that that creates an interesting test for the new Seahawks owners, because I do think like,
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[SPEAKER_01]: Paul Allen also had unlimited money, which is not, I mean, there are very few examples, I mean, Baltimore with the clippers, right?
41:44
[SPEAKER_01]: Look, there are very few examples of guys who have that level of wealth.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And this family is obviously fabulously wealthy, you know.
41:57
[SPEAKER_01]: But are they willing to go the extra mile?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Are they willing to lose in some cases from a business standpoint to one in the field?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that's a question you always have to ask when these transactions take place.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I mean, to their credit, like I think the Walton Paners have proven in Denver, like we're willing to do whatever it takes, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
42:18
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's what you help you get as a fan.
42:20
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, at the end of the day, like that's it and so it's a weird time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Paners are also in that like,
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[SPEAKER_00]: whatever you want to call it the point zero zero zero zero zero zero zero zero zero zero one percent you know like the wall tenors are in the are in the pile and category I'd say if you had to pick so let's say like whatever your team is Ohio State but let's say like Ohio State's an NFL team you have to pick the owner of one business it just name the business because obviously we don't know the CEOs of it like who are you thinking like oh god I hope this
42:58
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's the guy who invented Costco.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's what I want.
43:02
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, they're from Kirkland though, Washington.
43:04
[SPEAKER_00]: So maybe they've got something to do with a...
43:08
[SPEAKER_01]: It must be, maybe they must be, yeah.
43:10
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe they've got a piece of that for my hand, you know?
43:14
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, but like $1.50 hot dogs, it games, $9 pizzas, and then you can just wholesale your your concessions.
43:25
[SPEAKER_01]: They're too old.
43:26
[SPEAKER_01]: There are two of them.
43:27
[SPEAKER_01]: Jim Senegal.
43:29
[SPEAKER_01]: Sorry for pronounce your name wrong.
43:30
[SPEAKER_01]: And Jeffrey Brottman.
43:34
[SPEAKER_01]: And Jim, net worth.
43:38
[SPEAKER_01]: Jim Senegal, oh, it's not as much as you would think.
43:40
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, this is, well, let's have a party.
43:43
[SPEAKER_01]: But Jim Senegal has an estimated net worth of approximately $1 billion to $2 billion.
43:50
[SPEAKER_00]: This is like, when you say this, and it's funny, like, right before we came on, I saw Odo Beckham is the last player, the latest player to try to go on a podcast and try to explain to people that $100 million isn't as much as you think it is in an NFL contract, just to get completely roasted by it.
44:07
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like oh, yeah, I mean a billion.
44:09
[SPEAKER_01]: He's only worth a billion if you just sell this How did the first fan of the Google search is a reddit thread?
44:15
[SPEAKER_01]: Why is in Jim Seneca whole the richest person?
44:20
[SPEAKER_00]: There you go.
44:21
[SPEAKER_01]: There you go.
44:22
[SPEAKER_00]: I'd want the Costco guy to buy it.
44:23
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
44:24
[SPEAKER_00]: That's just me.
44:24
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, would you want Bayzo's to buy your team, I guess?
44:29
[SPEAKER_00]: Although based on how he's running what he's supposed to in the sports section.
44:33
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if I'd want to run it because Bayzo's kind of strikes me as Bayzo strikes me is like he would have a lot of interest in it at first and I would feel great for like five years, but then does he lose interest.
44:45
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like
44:47
[SPEAKER_01]: sort of what people think of with John Henry here in Boston, that he's lost interest in the Red Sox and is more interested in Liverpool now.
45:00
[SPEAKER_01]: So, I mean, I think that would be my concern with Bezos is that like, what do you lose interest?
45:06
[SPEAKER_01]: You don't know me because I think you'd want to have somebody who you knew
45:11
[SPEAKER_01]: is not only has all those resources, but it's just locked in to the sport.
45:16
[SPEAKER_01]: And, and that's why I think like the sun here in this case, the see on the sun is really interesting, because he's shown an interest in getting into football, separate from the rest of it.
45:28
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, the fact that he interned in football operations for the Niners tells me like, oh, he is a real interest in it, you know what I mean?
45:38
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, which would be sort of like, my understanding is Josh Kronki is like really responsible for running arsenal, you know, and like so, and arsenal obviously just one of Premier league for the first time in forever.
45:53
[SPEAKER_00]: And so maybe that's sort of the result you're hoping for, you know, maybe maybe my parents will just slice me off of professional franchise and let me, uh, let me try to get it, you know, when you have like six of them, like Stan Kronki does.
46:08
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, dad, you didn't leave me the rockets.
46:11
[SPEAKER_00]: That's not fair.
46:13
[SPEAKER_00]: Before we get out of here, Terry and Arnold, you guys can catch up on this.
46:18
[SPEAKER_00]: Dave Burkett has been doing phenomenal work.
46:21
[SPEAKER_00]: From the Detroit Free Press since, you know, March and April, there's another story recently from the athletic that was more of a tick-tock of the events.
46:32
[SPEAKER_00]: And so we don't necessarily need to rehash it.
46:34
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, there was a
46:35
[SPEAKER_00]: there was a mistaken identity kidnapping scheme that, and he created Terry and Arnold, the Lions cut him.
46:42
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, but the result of this has been the fact that like happens always with NFL teams, there were teams that are interested in working them out.
46:57
[SPEAKER_00]: The Texans being one of them, he doesn't have to wear an ankle monitor, which is a judge of rule.
47:03
[SPEAKER_00]: in your mind is is terian Arnold on the field at some point next year.
47:10
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you know, because there's obviously the league's got to step in here.
47:13
[SPEAKER_00]: The league's got to make a decision.
47:15
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, our, you know, this is a, this is a serious legal matter.
47:20
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, you know, and this is one of these prickly spots to, I think, for Commissioner Gidel, that he often finds himself in
47:31
[SPEAKER_00]: right now we know the facts of the case, you know, there's discovery, all the text messages, all that kind of stuff.
47:39
[SPEAKER_00]: But there isn't really a precedent, right?
47:41
[SPEAKER_00]: You can't easily put this into a bucket where it's like, oh, this is like this.
47:46
[SPEAKER_00]: This is allegedly a player basically commissioning
47:54
[SPEAKER_00]: And so, if you're a good del, there's no real precedent for that.
47:59
[SPEAKER_00]: And so, do you go over the top and you try to slam dunk this thing?
48:03
[SPEAKER_00]: Do you try to sneak him back onto the field?
48:06
[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, you know, it's not in one of the classic buckets of like an NFL crime, basically, is what I'm trying to say.
48:14
[SPEAKER_00]: And so, I don't know.
48:15
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, do you imagine him on the field at some point?
48:18
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's interesting.
48:20
[SPEAKER_01]: I also think it's interesting the one team that worked him out was the Texans, just because there's a boat load of connections there.
48:27
[SPEAKER_01]: Now you have like the Alabama players on the roster that played with him right, so like that would include Will Anderson who, you know, you'd argue, was their best player.
48:38
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, Demiko Reigns is an Alabama guy, has a relationship with Nick Sabin, the general manager, Nick Cassaria, of course, has a strong connection to Sabin as well, because he worked for Sabin's best friend and Bill Bellachack for 20 years.
48:56
[SPEAKER_01]: So, like, it does feel to me a little bit like,
49:00
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to say it was a favor, but like the fact that like it does feel strategic that like, okay, like this team that has access to the best intelligence on Terian Arnold is working him out, right, and is looking at bringing him in.
49:19
[SPEAKER_01]: So I think that that's probably to some degree start strategic by Arnold's camp.
49:29
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
49:30
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, like this feels to me, like, it is wind right up to be commissioners exempt list.
49:38
[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean?
49:39
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, and I, I don't know.
49:41
[SPEAKER_01]: I have to go.
49:41
[SPEAKER_01]: I always have to go back and look at the exact rules on that.
49:44
[SPEAKER_01]: But I, you know, I can remember just kind of like, you know, being out front and covering a lot of that, um, a lot of the domestic violence.
49:55
[SPEAKER_01]: issues of 2014 when Ray Rice and Greg Hardy and Adrian Peterson all happened there within like a few weeks of each other.
50:03
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
50:04
[SPEAKER_01]: And that was like when the exemplist became like okay like this like it was something like most of us had never heard of.
50:10
[SPEAKER_01]: And now all of a sudden it was being used that way.
50:14
[SPEAKER_01]: and it's been used since.
50:16
[SPEAKER_01]: But generally like the idea of that exemplist was here's a way to take a player who's reflecting poorly on the league off the field.
50:28
[SPEAKER_01]: So the team doesn't have to make a decision on him before the legal process has been completed.
50:37
[SPEAKER_01]: And so our broadcasters don't have to talk about him and what's going on on
50:44
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, the games that are being shot out to 10 like Shawn Watson.
50:48
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just like, oh, he's back.
50:49
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, let's say like Terry and Arnold has a pick six in game one.
50:53
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I don't know.
50:55
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, can the can whoever's calling that game, can they avoid talking about?
51:00
[SPEAKER_01]: So that was the idea of it.
51:02
[SPEAKER_01]: The first place was like, there's so many layers to this being a PR nightmare.
51:06
[SPEAKER_01]: Spillgit and a huge one in that case with
51:10
[SPEAKER_01]: with Ray Rice and and and Adrian Peterson and Greg Hardy, we don't want that discussion to be part of our 2014 season, you know, like we don't need that.
51:22
[SPEAKER_01]: And like this is obviously a really messed up story.
51:27
[SPEAKER_01]: And if he's on the field, that story gets told over and over and over again.
51:32
[SPEAKER_01]: which I think is like what the NFL has used the exempt list to avoid.
51:37
[SPEAKER_01]: So it would be interesting to see if he lands there.
51:41
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he's facing life in prison, you know?
51:44
[SPEAKER_01]: So what's the precedent here for like, while a case like that's been pending, a guy playing through it.
51:52
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I don't remember one.
51:53
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
51:54
[SPEAKER_00]: This is like,
51:57
[SPEAKER_00]: Like the movie, you remember the movie, Kiyota Reeves in the replacements, and they did like the one guy that they Johnny Utah, is that right?
52:04
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, he was from Ohio State.
52:07
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, no, Johnny Utah was James Palmer was his backup.
52:12
[SPEAKER_00]: No, that was point break, and then that was point break.
52:18
[SPEAKER_01]: Is that right?
52:18
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, what was his name?
52:19
[SPEAKER_00]: And then in the replacements, he was from Florida State, and he was Shane Falco.
52:26
[SPEAKER_01]: Shane Falco.
52:27
[SPEAKER_01]: That's right.
52:27
[SPEAKER_01]: Footstep Falco.
52:29
[SPEAKER_01]: Footstep Falco.
52:31
[SPEAKER_00]: But they had like the one player on like the jailwork release program, which is like not, I mean, obviously, I don't mean to make light of that.
52:36
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just like the one thing that I thought.
52:38
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, he wasn't saying Falco left in former All-American quarterback for Ohio State.
52:43
[SPEAKER_01]: We fell off the grade after choking in the 1996 sugar bowl and watching out of the process after one.
52:48
[SPEAKER_00]: Did he lose to Florida State though?
52:51
[SPEAKER_00]: Huh?
52:51
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe lost to Florida State.
52:53
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe that's what it lives.
52:54
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, okay.
52:55
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not very, very lost.
52:57
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
52:57
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, they're like you said, I mean, this one feels like there is so much less of a precedent attached to it.
53:06
[SPEAKER_00]: And so it's going to be all lies around the commissioner.
53:09
[SPEAKER_00]: And this, these are the situations that Gidel, I think,
53:13
[SPEAKER_00]: hates, and I think this is the reason why Source B was so forcefully kicked down the road, where it's like, I don't want to be the guy that creates the Supreme Court style precedent for any of this, right?
53:26
[SPEAKER_00]: When I, you know, I think he relished in the disciplinary in phase and then very quickly realized how prickly that the one Bush can be and wanted to get out.
53:35
[SPEAKER_00]: And this is one of those situations where everything is kind of right at his doorstep.
53:39
[SPEAKER_00]: And so I'm interested to see what he does here because there is a lot of discussion now about Tarynar workouts, Tarynar landing spots, you know, like where's Tarynar, you know?
53:48
[SPEAKER_00]: And just by virtue of how the NFL media cycle works is like, do you want that creep in into training camp?
53:53
[SPEAKER_00]: Which starts in two weeks, my God.
53:55
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, I think it's also like an example of how second chances are a function of ability, you know, like second chance, like if Terrian Arnold had been a seventh round pick, who is like on the edge of the lines roster, we would.
54:12
[SPEAKER_01]: We wouldn't be talking about him right now, exactly.
54:14
[SPEAKER_01]: No team would be touching him.
54:16
[SPEAKER_01]: This is a former first round pick who has a lot of physical ability that has not been harvested yet, but there are lots of teams that are looking at it and saying, oh, you know, we can pick them up.
54:29
[SPEAKER_01]: where he's lower than whale, you know what, get a great deal on him and like now we have a first round talent in our secondary to premium position like so second chances in the NFL are 100% of like and it's just like in life right second chances are our third chances for the chances are all function of talent the ability.
54:50
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to close it out here by just saying this and watch how I tie bow and everything put it back together.
54:56
[SPEAKER_00]: We'll bring back the world cup.
54:57
[SPEAKER_00]: Imagine you're like the Houston Texans and you win the Super Bowl on like a terian Arnold pick six while his legal proceedings are still going on.
55:05
[SPEAKER_01]: It's both hands the pick six that I gave him and we won.
55:08
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh yeah, that's right.
55:09
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, I gave him.
55:10
[SPEAKER_01]: We gave him pick six and we won.
55:12
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, well, I don't think that one's going to happen.
55:15
[SPEAKER_01]: But it feels a lot like
55:19
[SPEAKER_00]: If we were to have beat Belgium with the guy that we had to call FIFA and just ask if he could play and I I got crushed with this take, but I always think it's better to be the underdog in that situation and to be like giving your middle finger to the rules, then the team that's like, yeah, we just slid this under the radar and we're trying to that's just me.
55:44
[SPEAKER_00]: I know that a lot of other teams have done very well, thinking about it the other way.
55:49
[SPEAKER_00]: And so I don't want to be, you know, I understand that there's two sides to this.
55:54
[SPEAKER_00]: I'll leave it at that.
55:55
[SPEAKER_00]: That's all I gotta say.
55:56
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe it's just better to not do it, right?
55:59
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you know, sometimes if you're an NFL team, like that would be my job, you could hire me and I would just sit around and be like, maybe it's better if we just don't do this.
56:08
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah.
56:10
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe it's better if you don't, you know, if you don't have like guys hiding out in the closet of an Airbnb that jumped out when somebody shows up there and then livestream it to you as you're on your way to the site.
56:24
[SPEAKER_00]: situation.
56:24
[SPEAKER_00]: We all find ourselves in from time to time and you got to make the right choice when that comes to your doorstep.
56:31
[SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, we are back training camp is back.
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56:49
[SPEAKER_01]: My team is pretty good now.
56:50
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what you're talking about.
56:51
[SPEAKER_00]: I think I mean, it is.
56:55
[SPEAKER_00]: And I put on the wrong light for our YouTube audience.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Let me see if I can just, because this is the white light.
57:02
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, mine is fantastic.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah, look at that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I went down like several octaves.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I look pretty I'd by the way, I would like to apologize for mixing up Johnny Utah and Shane Falco.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm not going to have to be edited out of the show.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I know I made that mistake
57:21
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