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Dan Morgan Discusses Panthers Draft Strategy and Bucs Free Agency Recap · C3 Panthers Podcast: Carolina Panthers

• 0:01
  [SPEAKER_06]: Dan Morgan addresses the media before the NFL draft three receivers.
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  [SPEAKER_06]: There's no rule against it.
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  [SPEAKER_06]: He said in the first round, and the bucks offseason review.
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  [SPEAKER_06]: What's good, Panther fans, Tony Dunn here.
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  [SPEAKER_06]: We got a great show for you tonight as we go through Dan Morgan's pre-draft press conference.
• 1:19
  [SPEAKER_06]: Maybe they'll sneak another one in there.
• 1:21
  [SPEAKER_06]: He said there's no rule against drafting three receivers in the first round consecutively.
• 1:28
  [SPEAKER_06]: He said, nobody said I can't do that.
• 1:30
  [SPEAKER_06]: If I want to do it, I'll do it.
• 1:32
  [SPEAKER_06]: He wants to add a playmaker, but he didn't say what side of the ball.
• 1:36
  [SPEAKER_06]: He said, I like playmakers, price young, signing his fifth year option after the draft and a lot to talk about what Bryce Young.
• 1:46
  [SPEAKER_06]: We've got Adam Thelens comments on his, what he's seen in Bryce's development.
• 1:53
  [SPEAKER_06]: And we've got a ton of stuff to do.
• 2:01
  [SPEAKER_06]: cannon fire pod casts, ret Matthews at 930 to go over with us the Tampa Bay free agency in our NFC sound tour last week.
• 2:11
  [SPEAKER_06]: Thank you to Bob Rose for our look into the New Orleans Saints free agency this week.
• 2:16
  [SPEAKER_06]: We're recapping Tampa Bay's free agency and we'll ask those questions.
• 2:20
  [SPEAKER_06]: What do you think about Tampa Bay?
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  [SPEAKER_06]: Are they, do they deserve to be at the top when it comes to the odds of when the NFC sounds that they get better or worse or where are they at?
• 2:32
  [SPEAKER_06]: We've got that and more.
• 2:34
  [SPEAKER_06]: And I'm hanging out with my co-host CK good to see you, brother.
• 2:38
  [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, listen, another week, unless stuff to talk about this week when it comes in the Panthers, but still enough to keep this show going.
• 2:47
  [SPEAKER_03]: Week in and week out.
• 2:51
  [SPEAKER_03]: from the draft and then maybe a little low again before I think start to pick back up on the on the training camp chatter and the discussion about fan fast and what have you but the thing that's most important in my mind is we have we have some things to look forward to and the very near future.
• 3:13
  [SPEAKER_03]: Some of that may include having some familiar faces returned to the show
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  [SPEAKER_03]: in a mitten basis, but super happy to be able to look forward to that draft show next week.
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  [SPEAKER_06]: Moving and shaking, the draft is nine days away, and we'll be having our, think this might be our 14th or 15th, 15th annual draft show somewhere in there.
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  [SPEAKER_06]: We're in that that range.
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  [SPEAKER_06]: Can I remember?
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  [SPEAKER_06]: I think we're one year behind.
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  [SPEAKER_06]: 15th and the annual.
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  [SPEAKER_06]: Is it what you just said?
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  [SPEAKER_06]: They're I think it might be this is our 15th year as a podcast and 14th draft party or we might be 14 and 13.
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  [SPEAKER_06]: We're going back to first draft party.
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  [SPEAKER_06]: It's Kelvin Benjamin.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: Well, that would have been, uh, yeah, 20, uh, 2014.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_06]: So this start team of them is always one of those to hard to do the math.
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• 5:17
  [SPEAKER_06]: There are no rules according to Dan Morgan as he addressed the media today in his pre draft press conference and just a little housekeeping before we get into the details of that because we got some good clips from that podcast to play for you guys.
• 5:34
  [SPEAKER_06]: I'm at for that, uh, presser, damn we're going to expect CK, everyone, most everyone, but a chemical wanted to be available for OTAs from a health standpoint is optimistic about JTV and Sanders found that ankle surgery has been running and cutting looks good.
• 5:50
  [SPEAKER_06]: This is the news that we expected and I'm happy that there's no mention of Jonathan Brooks.
• 5:57
  [SPEAKER_03]: You're right, it seems as though we are going to be pretty healthy going into this of the OTAs, which OTAs are a very light, at least from our understanding on the external.
• 6:16
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's not going to be super, you know, difficult for those who are maybe dealing with some lingering injuries.
• 6:27
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's still incredibly Sorry, I did that.
• 6:32
  [SPEAKER_06]: I was trying to remove this.
• 6:34
  [SPEAKER_06]: You're still there.
• 6:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's still good.
• 6:37
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think I think it's a good news to hear that We're gonna be pretty much at full strength Barring Ikki which we all knew was going to be the case.
• 6:46
  [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, we have that.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: I was expecting him to be here.
• 6:49
  [SPEAKER_06]: No, and nor do we Honestly, you should not expect him to play this season
• 6:53
  [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, yeah, you're out of your mind if you think he's going to be doing anything with the Panthers this year you'll be very lucky if they can get them off the pup somehow You know what do they don't they get them like six weeks or something into the season I just don't because you know how Jonathan broke start on the pup list and he was on four, but then they get four to make the decision, but then they have two weeks to play
• 7:23
  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't think they're going to pull a Jonathan Brooks again.
• 7:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think they're 100% going to be willing to move forward with depth at that position and just kind of roll with the punches as the year goes on.
• 7:47
  [SPEAKER_03]: And hope that whatever piece is that we either continue to add in for agency, or that we end up adding through the draft, I think they're going to be comfortable with it and not risk a dudes health when they don't have to.
• 8:03
  [SPEAKER_06]: All right.
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  [SPEAKER_06]: Let's jump into that press conference.
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  [SPEAKER_06]: I got a few things that I think are noteworthy to share here is a first question that caught my eye.
• 8:17
  [SPEAKER_06]: Early on in the press
• 8:24
  [SPEAKER_06]: Actually before I even introduced that question, you know one thing that stood in you watch the press conference, yeah, I watched the press conference, I thought Dan Morgan looked relaxed.
• 8:33
  [SPEAKER_06]: I think he doesn't look like so tired.
• 8:36
  [SPEAKER_06]: I know that he's very good about going to bed at a reasonable time getting up and doing his workout, but there is you understand he just doesn't blink that's why you think he doesn't look tired.
• 8:46
  [SPEAKER_06]: uh... now i don't think he's not tired where i guess i was trying to get to is he doesn't look disheveled yeah and i do that that not blanking he even knows that he doesn't blink yeah he was a whole thing on patmac of me um... but i feel like
• 9:03
  [SPEAKER_06]: This is year three as GM, full GM, and we just know in careers is that no matter how qualified you are, how smart, out great in your natural talents is getting that there's early that the experience that kind of 10,000 hour rule that I think maybe Ron Rivera talked about.
• 9:26
  [SPEAKER_06]: I just feel like he looks settled and I just that that was my initial thing is the way he was kind of interacting like is like which I still don't understand how they don't know that this Mike Kegos was this is he said why can't we start?
• 9:45
  [SPEAKER_06]: Damn Morgan said why can't we start and they're like I don't think that Mike Kegos I don't think is live but the mugs always live for 20 minutes before anybody comes up there don't worry they go.
• 9:55
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, they, you're sitting there waiting forever for them to get that thing, you know, I end up just, you know, giving up and just going straight into the, uh, into the mod after the fact, because I just can't sit there and dedicate that much time to it jump jump jump jump and sometimes it's 30 minutes, but I just felt like when he sat down, it was just cool, come collected, but one of the first questions asked a damn Morgan was.
• 10:18
  [SPEAKER_06]: How he felt about picking, what was the difference in his approach, should I say, from being outside the top 10, for you in a and then would you get 33 entering a day one of the drafts last
• 10:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, I think it's a little different picking, you know, on the back half of the first round.
• 10:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: But it's really no different in terms of the process.
• 10:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, we're going to be ready for any and all scenarios that present themselves.
• 10:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: You don't know what guys going to fall.
• 10:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: you know a lot of things can happen on an unexpected so we just got to be ready for any and all scenarios and and that's what we've been doing in the draft for every single day it's just planning for that and getting ready.
• 11:06
  [SPEAKER_06]: So to this coach speed well, I mean, I don't think it is coach speak sometimes.
• 11:12
  [SPEAKER_06]: I just think it's a reality is that you are a GM, you are doing, you, you got the pick you got.
• 11:23
  [SPEAKER_06]: You have to be your approach should be.
• 11:28
  [SPEAKER_06]: There's probably nuances right CK of how they're like, how they approach different things.
• 11:37
  [SPEAKER_06]: are really, it has to be easier in a way to make its opt-in to it.
• 11:44
  [SPEAKER_03]: Um, I agree, but I also think it's fair to say that it's also a lot more pressure.
• 11:53
  [SPEAKER_03]: Because you're picking somebody who should be a home run.
• 11:56
  [SPEAKER_03]: And if that person ends up flaming out year one or year two, that's a direct reflection on you as a GM.
• 12:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: every other GM probably would have picked that person at that same spot.
• 12:11
  [SPEAKER_03]: You know, a lot of this is always going to be revisionist history with the stuff.
• 12:15
  [SPEAKER_03]: But there's a tremendous amount of pressure because what's going to inevitably happen is in five years after the fifth year option and somebody gets a record, you know, record extension, there's going to be, he was available when the panthers were
• 12:36
  [SPEAKER_03]: And so I think there's pressure there from that naturally.
• 12:40
  [SPEAKER_03]: But I also think that historically from just the two drafts outside of people that, you know, like Excel or something like that that really hasn't paned out yet.
• 12:53
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I emphasize yet, so don't go jumping on my case here if you're in here, Kev.
• 13:00
  [SPEAKER_03]: But the upside to Dan Morgan, he's hit on a lot of these players.
• 13:05
  [SPEAKER_03]: And it's almost, in my opinion, a good,
• 13:10
  [SPEAKER_03]: Because I don't think any of us would be upset if he moved up a few spots as long as we're not giving up like anything ridiculous Or I really don't think we would be upset if he moved down
• 13:24
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like, even if we move down into the back of the first round, I don't think I'd want to move out of the first round, I think I'd want to stick with the, I mean, from night in the 23 maybe, or it's all and I mean, maybe maybe get another third round or something like that with it.
• 13:42
  [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, shout out to John B Jenkins, GoFish.
• 13:47
  [SPEAKER_06]: He says, y'all love Tuesday night.
• 13:49
  [SPEAKER_06]: I'm sitting here at my work bench in my shed, beer and hand, chatting and listening.
• 13:53
  [SPEAKER_06]: It's like hanging out in the pub with all my friends.
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  [SPEAKER_06]: Love y'all.
• 13:56
  [SPEAKER_06]: That is one of the most heartwarming comments because throughout the,
• 14:02
  [SPEAKER_06]: Fort to whatever years we've been doing.
• 14:04
  [SPEAKER_06]: There's now 14, 15th.
• 14:05
  [SPEAKER_06]: I like all of that since 2013.
• 14:10
  [SPEAKER_06]: What I said was that I wanted this to feel like we were riding in the car to the game together talking and then and then riding in the car back talking to you at M fund just having fun talking about the panther something that is less overwhelming than world politics or whatever it is
• 14:32
  [SPEAKER_06]: Chat it up, chop it up about the Carolina Panthers back to what I was talking about though with an email, a lot of great points there CK is like about how is it easier to have a top 10 pick?
• 14:46
  [SPEAKER_06]: Well, as you were kind of working through some of it, and I was thinking about my own, what I meant by that, or what that means is, I think actually making the top 10 pick, like you said, there's a lot of pressure with it, but you have to vet less players.
• 15:00
  [SPEAKER_06]: You have a smaller sample group.
• 15:03
  [SPEAKER_06]: It doesn't mean that draft itself is all that much easier, but that first pick, I think, becomes less laborious, maybe pressure, driven,
• 15:12
  [SPEAKER_06]: But at the same time, if you're picking in the top 10, that means other aspects of your job are more pressure because your team ain't good.
• 15:20
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think drafting at 19, I think to your point, it's reasonable to think that there's going to be less work from a couple of facets.
• 15:28
  [SPEAKER_03]: And one of those is going to be that when you are drafting at 19, you don't have a guarantee that there's 18 other people off the board.
• 15:41
  [SPEAKER_03]: You're drafting it eight.
• 15:43
  [SPEAKER_03]: You know that there's only going to be seven people on the board.
• 15:45
  [SPEAKER_06]: There's there's statistically far less scenarios.
• 15:49
  [SPEAKER_03]: There's far less scenarios.
• 15:51
  [SPEAKER_03]: But in addition to there being far less scenarios, having less of those people allows you to focus on the second round people and getting those people in for your 30 visits.
• 16:03
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 16:03
  [SPEAKER_03]: And so I think what you're saying is reasonable to say that it is easier to draft in the top 10 because it does allow you to prepare for the rest of the draft a little bit more efficiently.
• 16:16
  [SPEAKER_03]: But, you know, I think all of us would be super happy with us drafting later in the draft, you know, habitually moving forward.
• 16:26
  [SPEAKER_06]: Dan Morgan, also though, has said every time I press a button, it starts playing in my ear balls.
• 16:34
  [SPEAKER_06]: So one of the things though that Dan Morgan that I like when he keeps asking about this like this detriment in a sense to draft in at 19 over a top 10 that was suggested in a sense by the question, you know, at least alluded to is I like that he
• 16:55
  [SPEAKER_06]: every year players fall that you don't think are going to fall.
• 16:59
  [SPEAKER_06]: So like there was there was almost a little excitement like man something might happen where we're going to get a player we didn't even really think just on paper we could get.
• 17:08
  [SPEAKER_06]: So don't just be worried yet that we just because we ain't outside that we're outside the top 10 that we might not have that one of these premier players because there might be a run there might be like there's always something
• 17:21
  [SPEAKER_06]: There's a nuance to every draft.
• 17:23
  [SPEAKER_06]: It feels like of how it goes in EBS and flows and runs on positions.
• 17:30
  [SPEAKER_06]: See, okay, let's go to the next clip.
• 17:35
  [SPEAKER_06]: A lot of people are focused on, I mean, obviously we're talking on this number 19 pic here.
• 17:41
  [SPEAKER_06]: A lot of chatter about like what that could be is that going to be something that is boring not to me offensive linemen, which I still like let's go let's go let's go always like them hog mollies
• 17:55
  [SPEAKER_06]: But a lot of talk about playmakers is that, wow, because the Xavier LaGhetto, that's looming, the explosiveness that Teteroma, McMillan brought to this offense and the excitement.
• 18:09
  [SPEAKER_06]: And the idea that this team is close
• 18:12
  [SPEAKER_06]: to not just building and competing, which he can remind it.
• 18:17
  [SPEAKER_06]: We want to compete not, you know, but there is a sense that don't be conservative, but this is the time for the Panthers to take a strong step forward.
• 18:31
  [SPEAKER_06]: And a lot of people are looking to the offense here.
• 18:34
  [SPEAKER_06]: Here is Dam Morgan
• 19:15
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, Tony, I'm I'm not sure if we're not here, no, I'm just in here watching this video myself was like, I'm making sure that it wasn't like it was it was waiting for somebody in the chat to say there wasn't something coming to rise.
• 19:28
  [SPEAKER_06]: Good gosh, I'm sitting here going.
• 19:29
  [SPEAKER_06]: I'm just sitting here watching this video by myself.
• 19:34
  [SPEAKER_06]: Let's see if I can figure this out a little here we go.
• 19:39
  [SPEAKER_06]: Sorry.
• 19:40
  [SPEAKER_06]: I mean, I thought I was smooth rolling.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: up.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: It's no audio still on my side.
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  [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, here.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: Mm-hmm.
• 20:11
  [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, I put that up.
• 20:14
  [SPEAKER_03]: What's that?
• 20:15
  [SPEAKER_06]: You can't hear it.
• 20:16
  [SPEAKER_06]: I can't hear it.
• 20:19
  [SPEAKER_06]: How can we not?
• 20:19
  [SPEAKER_06]: How can I share the last video?
• 20:21
  [SPEAKER_06]: You heard the last video, right?
• 20:22
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 20:22
  [SPEAKER_06]: I heard the last one.
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  [SPEAKER_06]: But that wasn't a video.
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  [SPEAKER_06]: I don't think
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  [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, let's try this.
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  [SPEAKER_06]: Oh my gosh.
• 20:34
  [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, we're sorry guys.
• 20:36
  [SPEAKER_06]: We're new to this one.
• 20:38
  [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, it's our first year doing this.
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  [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, it's been it's been interesting.
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  [SPEAKER_06]: The learning curve.
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  [SPEAKER_06]: We've it's only taken on eight years.
• 20:46
  [SPEAKER_06]: Can you hear this?
• 20:49
  [SPEAKER_06]: No, you're serious.
• 20:52
  [SPEAKER_06]: I can't hear anything, you know?
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  [SPEAKER_06]: Nothing.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: Mm-hmm.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: Nothing.
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  [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_06]: What about now?
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  [SPEAKER_03]: Nothing.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, my god.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: Nothing.
• 21:11
  [SPEAKER_03]: Well, basically, let's just go ahead and tell you what he says.
• 21:14
  [SPEAKER_06]: OK. Yeah.
• 21:15
  [SPEAKER_06]: Lord.
• 21:16
  [SPEAKER_03]: How did the first one work?
• 21:19
  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.
• 21:20
  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.
• 21:21
  [SPEAKER_03]: What, so essentially, he's asked about adding weapons, but it's to be, you know, a little bit more clear on the context.
• 21:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: The question initially started out talking about how important it is for Bryce on his fifth year, you know, coming into his fourth year, you know, after earning his fifth year option.
• 21:43
  [SPEAKER_03]: And, you know, Dan Morgan talks about how it's important to add playmakers at every position.
• 21:48
  [SPEAKER_03]: Now, I'm believe this is the clip you're referring to where somebody asks about a wide receiver.
• 21:56
  [SPEAKER_03]: Is that right, Tim?
• 21:56
  [SPEAKER_06]: No, first he just said this.
• 21:59
  [SPEAKER_06]: Ultimately, he was interested in the Asimov playmaker and he said, for offense, add to the offense.
• 22:06
  [SPEAKER_06]: And then he said, well, look, is that, yeah, is that we'd be, we're always looking to add a playmaker, but adding a playmaker is not just exclusive to options.
• 22:16
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, exactly.
• 22:17
  [SPEAKER_06]: You can get a safety in here that's making play plays, things like this.
• 22:23
  [SPEAKER_06]: that that also could be a means of ask of seeing if you could add a playmaker.
• 22:30
  [SPEAKER_06]: Now, look, I might just try this one more time.
• 22:32
  [SPEAKER_06]: If these don't work and the first one worked, the first one did work, right?
• 22:37
  [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, the first one I heard.
• 22:38
  [SPEAKER_06]: Let's see if this can you hear volume full.
• 22:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: This is just the fact that you're getting first on receiver two years in row making less likely that you would do that again.
• 22:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: No, I think, you know, with anything, we're gonna take the best player.
• 23:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: So if the best player, we feel at 19, I wouldn't hesitate to draft another wide out.
• 23:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, I don't think there's a role that says you can't draft a wide receiver three years on the road.
• 23:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm not really gonna, you know, I'm not gonna box us in and say we're not gonna draft one.
• 23:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you, Pat, several in the building.
• 23:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: What do you think of that group?
• 23:23
  [SPEAKER_06]: I think it's a good group, you know, I think receiver, you know, I think with all the seven on seven camps and kids growing up just the fact that is, he thinks there's a good group of wide receivers his most, I guess, controversial, I mean, I don't think there's a rule against it.
• 23:46
  [SPEAKER_06]: Um, you know, people in the chat, I think mentioned earlier as you'd like a smoke screening or this in that, um, what you think about that, uh, there's no rule against it, uh, draft and what actually, maybe we should just say is what would happen if the airline Panthers drafted a receiver in the first round three years in a row.
• 24:06
  [SPEAKER_06]: Um, that would be real.
• 24:09
  [SPEAKER_03]: Um, I would feel as though that that tells me their opinion on the likes of Xavier Lee yet.
• 24:17
  [SPEAKER_03]: Right.
• 24:19
  [SPEAKER_03]: Um, and that's nothing against Xavier again, as many people recall, Tony and I have very largely defended him and said that it's not time to give up on him or anything along those lines, but, um, drafting a wide receiver in the first, um, at 19.
• 24:39
  [SPEAKER_03]: with the weapons that we already have feels like a message.
• 24:48
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 24:49
  [SPEAKER_03]: You know, and that's, I don't, I hope we don't.
• 24:53
  [SPEAKER_03]: I sincerely hope we are not drafting a wide receiver at eight, or I'm sorry, 19.
• 25:01
  [SPEAKER_03]: Again, after we drafted one last year in the top 10.
• 25:04
  [SPEAKER_06]: And that's because I don't, when you say, I hope we don't, it's not the player that they draft that you're hoping like, they don't draft, but you hope that we're not at a point that they feel like they should.
• 25:17
  [SPEAKER_03]: Right, that's what I mean, yeah.
• 25:19
  [SPEAKER_03]: I hope that the focus is going to be able to move to the pieces of this team that I think we don't have a potentially generational talent at that position already, such as a team act.
• 25:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: And then you've got to keep in mind.
• 25:36
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's not like we're talking about
• 25:39
  [SPEAKER_03]: You know, we have nobody after T-Mac.
• 25:41
  [SPEAKER_03]: We just had one of the best performances by a wide receiver and the wide wild card ground by Jalen Coker.
• 25:48
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like we are still in a good spot from a wide receiver perspective.
• 25:53
  [SPEAKER_03]: And so to jump to that at 19, it just feels premature.
• 25:59
  [SPEAKER_03]: But it also, again, it feels as though an unnecessary
• 26:05
  [SPEAKER_03]: An unnecessary position for us to be drafted now.
• 26:10
  [SPEAKER_03]: I know we're trying to be do best player available.
• 26:12
  [SPEAKER_03]: But I still think there are some pieces on this team that we could have on the defense and maybe even on the offense, but maybe not in a wide receiver perspective to make this team a better team.
• 26:25
  [SPEAKER_03]: So while I certainly hope we can
• 26:30
  [SPEAKER_03]: We can draft a good player and even if I'm not opposed to it being offense, but I really don't think a wide receiver makes a lot of sense for us, especially that I'm not willing to give up on the prospect of Xavier League at being able to be A quality wide receiver at some point once he's able to put everything together.
• 26:50
  [SPEAKER_06]: Well, whoever that first round pick is, you're going to get to meet him.
• 26:52
  [SPEAKER_06]: Maybe this clip will work.
• 26:54
  [SPEAKER_06]: Go ahead and tell me, CK, I'm pressing point now.
• 26:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: Just want to mention, we're looking forward to the fans being out there.
• 27:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: We're having a walk outside with our first rounder, the day after the draft.
• 27:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: So that'll be a lot of fun.
• 27:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: Look forward to seeing a lot of the fans out there to greet our first round pit.
• 27:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: Um, you know, I know that obviously whole appreciate it.
• 27:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I think the fans coming out here and people greeting him, I think it's going to be a lot of fun and and we'll definitely appreciate it.
• 27:32
  [SPEAKER_06]: So, fan focus podcast, hopefully that worked right there, the audio on that, the Carolina Panthers, what the NFL is allowing them or what they're going to be doing, guys, as you will, if you're fans at the NFL draft, you will be able to hang around day two and they're going to try them around and sign some autographs and you'll get to meet him.
• 27:54
  [SPEAKER_06]: Um, so that sounds fun, right there.
• 27:56
  [SPEAKER_06]: Uh, final thing.
• 27:58
  [SPEAKER_06]: So I guess should be here in just a moment.
• 28:00
  [SPEAKER_06]: Hopefully, when not these out real quick.
• 28:04
  [SPEAKER_06]: Um, up, wrong screen again.
• 28:07
  [SPEAKER_06]: There we go.
• 28:12
  [SPEAKER_06]: Um, one of the things that came out of this press conference was is that Dan Morgan says it will be right after the draft once they secure all their picks that they will be then exercise in the fifth year option.
• 28:25
  [SPEAKER_06]: Bryce Young when he gets back and and what I thought was fun or not fun, but like, look, these are just details we knew we're happening already and we're going to.
• 28:34
  [SPEAKER_06]: That was in that in the works, but the timeline has been executed, but I did see a couple of things on Bryce Young and just floating around on Twitter.
• 28:45
  [SPEAKER_06]: So this is Bryce Young is improved each year.
• 28:47
  [SPEAKER_06]: Sleeper NFL was putting out and you know the Panther fans are always in a giant debate over Bryce Young and is it a slow growth, great growth, is it a future or whatever it may be, but.
• 29:00
  [SPEAKER_06]: showing these improvements three years in a row and Adam Theland had a few things to say on
• 29:11
  [SPEAKER_06]: uh... Bryson you know what but we'll we'll chamber those comments uh... for just a moment because uh... it's a minute and twenty video and uh... you know so we can we can come back with circle back after we get our guests in and just a second here but coincidentally as adam felon is talking about
• 29:33
  [SPEAKER_06]: price young and his maturation just for foreshadow what he talked about is some of the things that he saw his personality development struggles he had and the challenges he had as a player were nine days out of the NFL draft and b-y-nine
• 29:49
  [SPEAKER_06]: The Panthers reminded you that they were that, look, price, the fifth year option, and we're nine days out of the draft will be talking a little bit about that atom, the feeling and the Panthers, or at least nine days out in the Panthers first, we talked about the first round pick, but two back to background picks, he came back to back picks in the fifth round 158159,
• 30:18
  [SPEAKER_06]: But like right now, what we should do, I think it's time to bring in Ret Matthew to the C3 Panthers podcast.
• 30:27
  [SPEAKER_06]: Welcome to the C3 Panthers podcast.
• 30:29
  [SPEAKER_06]: Can it fire podcast.
• 30:31
  [SPEAKER_06]: Ret Matthew.
• 30:32
  [SPEAKER_06]: Welcome to the show.
• 30:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: Fellow.
• 30:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: How are we doing?
• 30:36
  [SPEAKER_06]: We are slogging through on a Tuesday night.
• 30:40
  [SPEAKER_06]: We've been rocking every Tuesday night for 14 years now and admittedly, CK and I over years and years of doing this, particularly me, have become more and more fatigued by the draft.
• 30:55
  [SPEAKER_06]: right as in all the people the energy that we put in early like oh we're scout all these players this and that given the draft give me the players I want to know those guys but over the last couple of weeks we've been looking around the NFC South last week we had our buddy Bob Rose on to talk about the Saints Free Agency and now we're talking tonight bucks free agency and the NFC South welcome to the show how are you my friend.
• 31:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: doing well.
• 31:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: Man, that's a good description for Tuesday.
• 31:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: It was long and long through this property of mine today on the way out of the office.
• 31:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: Man, it feels like it's been four days and it's only Tuesday.
• 31:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: So I appreciate you guys having me on, man.
• 31:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm excited to chop it up and talk about bucks football.
• 31:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: On the topic of bucks football, I will say, God, dude.
• 31:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: we're at a frustrating point.
• 31:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: The box I've had a nice run of relevancy, but I truly believe that I don't know, there's not a ton to be excited about right now.
• 31:55
  [SPEAKER_06]: Let's start there is the NFC South for since its inception as a division has always been a nobody's great except for every now and then you had your Tom Brady runs you know there's a couple of times the same to have
• 32:15
  [SPEAKER_06]: Um, who can win it right is everybody is fighting towards the end.
• 32:20
  [SPEAKER_06]: Everybody's seven and eight nine or seven and ten or whatever it may be or back before it was 17 games.
• 32:29
  [SPEAKER_06]: Um, the Panthers are the only team to make the playoffs twice and they're in NFL history with losing records.
• 32:37
  [SPEAKER_06]: the NFC South feels like it is up for grabs every single year, but I love the division system.
• 32:43
  [SPEAKER_06]: I love hating on teams in the division in a sense, but what do you think about last year for the books?
• 32:51
  [SPEAKER_06]: You kind of started off hot, then hit a wall, and what does it tell you about the team right now?
• 32:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: Uh, in my personal opinion, you know, thoughts are going to vary, but I think most of the collective fanbase is going to tell you, uh, it looks like a team that cannot succeed under Todd Bowles and I know you're going to look at recent history and you're going to look at the division titles.
• 33:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: You're going to look at a playoff victory or Philly, uh, and these playoff appearances, but at the end of the day, I just, I,
• 33:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: the rest of the league does not put a lot of merit on these division titles when you're winning a division with eight nine wins and you're struggling to get there, you know, let's let's add that to the resume as well.
• 33:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know, it's not like this is a team that every year has started six and two and then just catastrophically fall in a part.
• 33:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: this is a team that has really been known at least under bulls tenure to have a slump during the season at some point they usually start pretty well I think on average they start to in one more times than they do not and then from there it's kind of a crap shoot you know you could have a one in seven stretch and then come out on the other side of it play your ass off and win the division at eight wins and and you know see a beat up filly team in the
• 34:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: the blocks organization has been putting a lot of merit into with this team and with Todd Bull's tenure, but yeah, I look at a football team that started six and two and was winning against the Seattle Seahawks team on the road missing their starting left tackle among a laundry list of other guys.
• 34:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: They get these guys back.
• 34:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: They reach the by week.
• 34:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: They take a full week off, which I don't know if that's common knowledge.
• 34:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's not normal for
• 34:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: a full seven days to go no contact and be away from the facility is just typically not you know it is what it is they were six and two football team whatever they were recovering from injury you're hoping to get some guys back but it just
• 34:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: Obviously, you lost Mike Evans and had a couple of other things that pop up throughout the rest of that season, but overall, you got healthy and it was like the books were a worse team, the healthier they got.
• 35:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: Baker may feel I love Baker.
• 35:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: Let me preface this and say, I love Baker.
• 35:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: I wouldn't have as much of an issue as the next person, if the
• 35:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe four or five years of sustainable play, you know, the box have never been a team that's had a super long term franchise quarterback and they have certainly never won championships with a franchise long term quarterback so it's like
• 35:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: or just in this spot where it's more frustrating to be this average than it is to be an outright terrible football team.
• 35:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: Um, the box where a terrible football team for the second half of the season last year and uh, fellas.
• 35:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not going to sugarcoat it.
• 35:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: When I look at free agency for Tampa Bay, I think they got older and slower.
• 36:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: Um, and I don't think that's ideal for a team that that likes to talk is if they have a win now window and I know the division is what it is, but when you look at this list of free agents, yeah, you got some solid players don't get me wrong.
• 36:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think the bucks necessarily got drastically worse in any certain area than they were last year, but I just don't see this free agency class unless you get
• 36:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: in a or in a plus performance at adjacent light for this draft.
• 36:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't see a scenario where the blocks are much better next year than they were last year.
• 36:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe it's not as much of a crash and burn fashion.
• 36:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: Um, but man, things really fell apart down the stretch.
• 36:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: I look at the head coach.
• 36:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: I look at the quarterback play.
• 36:45
  [SPEAKER_06]: uh... that was my point with baker right i'd never really got to that but baker fell off down the stretches well you know that's a friend of shoulder injury you know i was dealing with injury right as we just let you that would give you a heads up since we've had baker on our team and we were in a in a time that had been
• 37:02
  [SPEAKER_06]: walking what I call walking through a land with no quarterback and you are in that land, you just want to be back in the land when you have a quarterback.
• 37:11
  [SPEAKER_06]: But Baker, for some of us that like Baker, we have a term for that so that you can coin right here is a cave brought it up.
• 37:19
  [SPEAKER_06]: He's a baker bottom.
• 37:20
  [SPEAKER_06]: That's what we call it as I was we were I was a baker bottom here on the C3 Panthers podcast and gritty is even though he struggled here in Carolina.
• 37:31
  [SPEAKER_06]: Before we get into free agency at CKB had to be feel free to jump in I was just going to hear one of the things about the the bucks were to me with the saints in a sense.
• 37:42
  [SPEAKER_06]: is you're looking at when they're going to fall off, you know, is this a, is this retooling?
• 37:49
  [SPEAKER_06]: Is it, is this the first signs of a decline?
• 37:54
  [SPEAKER_06]: And, you know, and there has been a little resiliency to the book and ears.
• 37:58
  [SPEAKER_06]: And I've, and I just have a pair of parallel this to when I talk about talking about the saints for so many years.
• 38:04
  [SPEAKER_06]: I felt like this is the year the Saints defense
• 38:09
  [SPEAKER_06]: as God is getting older, it's going to be the year and that year that I would say that they would come out and they would be good again.
• 38:16
  [SPEAKER_06]: Do you think that last year the Buckingham struggles were just challenges or do you that are retooled and could be maybe just maintained?
• 38:27
  [SPEAKER_06]: Could you maintain the the average, the mean of what you've produced?
• 38:33
  [SPEAKER_06]: since the epic run, right?
• 38:36
  [SPEAKER_06]: Can you maintain the Baker Momentum, or is this a sign with Mike Evans moving on?
• 38:42
  [SPEAKER_06]: Some may be some less than stellar free agent names, in a sense, you know?
• 38:49
  [SPEAKER_06]: Is this the beginning of a decline or can the Buccaneers manage to make this a retool and keep around that middle of the pack road?
• 39:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: It, you know, it's funny because I think in every aspect, you know, some of the departures that we talk about like Mike Evans, that can't be taken lightly because I'm the biggest Mike Evans fan on the planet that that's one of those guys that seeing him play for another team.
• 39:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: going to be basically ill like Mike Evans is my dude.
• 39:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if you guys are in sports cards at all.
• 39:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: I know some people think it's lame, but like that's why I collect more than anybody.
• 39:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: I've never had a favorite player like Mike at it.
• 39:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
• 39:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: He still has gas in the tank, man.
• 39:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: And we saw him come back on prime time on a short week.
• 39:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: There is a night football against the Atlanta Falcons.
• 39:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: It was a throwback, cream, sickle, game,
• 39:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: The Bucks are having all kinds of 50th season celebration.
• 39:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: They had a drone show at halftime.
• 39:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: I was there.
• 39:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: It was a great game day experience.
• 39:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: And then third and 28 happened.
• 39:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: And then Atlanta was able to convert on 4th and 14th.
• 40:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: Um, but in that game, Mike Evans comes back from a broken collarbone missing half the season has a buck 50 on like six catches and I mean, these are impressive catches.
• 40:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: These are vintage.
• 40:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: Mike Evans going up over the top.
• 40:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: Just body and defenders, you know, that's what he does and a guy with that much left in the tank, ultimately looking at the state of your team and free agency and saying,
• 40:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it was surprising to be on this from the outside you thought he's a guy that's going to finish this career in Tampa when he signed his contract two years ago the box ran a marketing campaign.
• 40:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: It was buck for life
• 40:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: They put it on the contract post on social media.
• 40:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: They had billboards around town that had Mike Evans and said, buck for life.
• 40:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: Mike Evans in his announcement, in his message to the fans was talking about how much it would mean to him to play for one team.
• 41:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: Going back to what we said about the bucks just being stuck in the state of, they are what they are.
• 41:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: Purgatory Mike Evans is very aware of that situation and you know when you're at his stage in his career at the end of the day, I know Tampa isn't looking up, but like he's done everything he can do in Tampa.
• 41:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: He's gone to in 14 and he's won a Super Bowl.
• 41:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: He is at, you know, the top of every offensive record that the bucks will have probably until the end of time because it's going to take a like a pretty damn good player to come in and
• 41:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think he should be a lot of people push back.
• 41:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't get what they do.
• 41:48
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's the I think statistically speaking you could just add put his stats up against any other player.
• 41:55
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's in the hall of fame and there's no question about it.
• 41:59
  [SPEAKER_03]: It was silly because in you know he was when he was drafted it was always the comparison at least as Panthers fans and
• 42:06
  [SPEAKER_03]: You know, the rivalry with the box and what have you was always Kelvin Benjamin that first year and then like at least that first year.
• 42:13
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm not saying at this and everyone's like panther friends like all the Kelvin Benjamin's going to be able to be a better and and it was foolish and hindsight to think that any like Mike Evans.
• 42:24
  [SPEAKER_03]: turned out to be just unreal and in my opinion, I know in his prime, you know, I don't think you could put Mike Evans over top of Julio Jones, but Julio Jones only had like two of those elite seasons.
• 42:38
  [SPEAKER_03]: Mike Evans is like the most consistent and like like dominant.
• 42:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: wide receiver between those two, that I think that I've ever seen from a consistent standpoint.
• 42:50
  [SPEAKER_03]: Every other wide receiver that I've ever watched in today's time has been like has been shaky or up and down or, you know, you look at AB, you look at Devante Adams, you look at anybody.
• 43:02
  [SPEAKER_03]: They all have like,
• 43:04
  [SPEAKER_03]: a few years in between where it's an up and down or anything, but not like Evans did this dude just was like the fountain of youth every year he played.
• 43:12
  [SPEAKER_06]: I don't think there's any question that you have all the same or is it 12 years in a row with
• 43:17
  [SPEAKER_06]: thousand yards like I mean come on is if you can go and play beside Mike Vincent Jackson and Mike came just look regular you know I mean I know that was I mean this guy from the beginning so my Kevin's stud there let's move to Tampa Bay CK get in there you ask your question and then we'll go for agency.
• 43:38
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yes so I mean I guess I'm gonna go back to something you had mentioned I mean he was talking about the end of last year and you know one of the
• 43:49
  [SPEAKER_03]: When, let me ask you this, you see Baker having come to a team that was coming off of a a few really good years with Tom Brady.
• 44:00
  [SPEAKER_03]: It was a well-built team.
• 44:02
  [SPEAKER_03]: What do you think the difference was between Baker and Carolina?
• 44:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: and Baker in Tampa Bay that made such a difference because I'll be the person to say we were we were so optimistic about Baker and Baker we called the Baker bump.
• 44:21
  [SPEAKER_03]: When we traded for Baker, the numbers from a podcast and perspective, I have never had the college fans of a quarterback be so like, just passionate about a dude and follow him wherever he went through those fans were all about Baker and there was a bump from that.
• 44:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: That was tangible and noticeable.
• 44:45
  [SPEAKER_03]: So we were really hoping he would work out.
• 44:50
  [SPEAKER_03]: I want to make this clear, like, I don't say this just out of a, out of a, uh, a hatred form.
• 44:57
  [SPEAKER_03]: He looked horrible.
• 44:59
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like, he was, he was the reason we lost.
• 45:02
  [SPEAKER_03]: Baker Bollard.
• 45:03
  [SPEAKER_03]: Baker Bollard.
• 45:04
  [SPEAKER_03]: A lot of those games.
• 45:05
  [SPEAKER_03]: It was his fault.
• 45:08
  [SPEAKER_03]: What is the difference between Baker then and Baker and Tampa?
• 45:13
  [SPEAKER_03]: Um, and is it just the situation?
• 45:15
  [SPEAKER_03]: Or do you think Baker
• 45:18
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think it's a little bit of both.
• 45:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know, looking back to that first year, oh, let me, let me preface it with this part of the Baker thing because before I sit here and glaze Baker for the next five minutes, he was terrible the second half of last year.
• 45:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: He was just as bad as the guys on defense that fans love to complain about.
• 45:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I know he was playing with injury.
• 45:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: And that was something I brought up on our show every single week.
• 45:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: I was like, I'm just waiting on the story where, you know, all bakers play after a tour in this and he's dealing with this.
• 45:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like, there was a reported shoulder injury and his non-throwing shoulder.
• 45:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: He had some kind of knee injury, some ankle thing pop-up.
• 45:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like, I mean, you know, he's always had that warrior brand to touch to them.
• 45:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: So he's going to play through whatever, you know, you could chop his arm off.
• 46:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: He'd probably still be out there trying to play.
• 46:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: So with that being said, you have to kind of have an honest conversation about like,
• 46:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: He's heard or not, he's missing things he shouldn't be missing, you know, he's missing wide open America, Boooka, that was a connection the second half of the season and that really is disappointing because one you miss Mike Evans for such a large part of the season fans were curious to see if America could be the guy to step up and he unfortunately last year half the time he was, you know, lost the other time Baker just couldn't hit him.
• 46:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm expecting him to have a stronger year next year, but
• 46:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know, we'll cross that bridge and we come to it as far as Baker goes, I think going back to that first year in Tampa, what was ultimately different is like the book signed him for peanuts, you know, he played for, I don't know, four to six mill that year like it wasn't very much.
• 46:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: And the quarterback competition in training camp was Baker may field and Kyle Trask with all the respect to Kyle Trask on the Gator fan.
• 47:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't love gator quarterbacks in the NFL.
• 47:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: They typically never are too impressive for the right reasons.
• 47:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I just think it was one of those quarterback battles that was a quote on quote, let's hope Baker wins this job just because of where he's at in his career.
• 47:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: So
• 47:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: Once it was, you know, a week in a training camp, and it was pretty much Baker's job to lose.
• 47:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think it's, he's even alluded to this before.
• 47:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think the organization just made it clear to him like, hey man, go to your thing.
• 47:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know, he says that they let him be himself.
• 47:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: And the thing that I always see attached to Baker's time in Carolina is the picture of him down in the three-point stance lined up as an edge rusher.
• 47:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: It, one of the practices, I don't know what they were doing.
• 47:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: But that's something that gets routinely tossed around and referenced about again.
• 47:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if he just was, you know, an insignificant part of the team at that point.
• 48:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't really know, but the box made it apparent like, hey, this is your team.
• 48:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: do whatever you want.
• 48:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: And the locker room bought into what he was selling, you know, he didn't really come here and pretend to be a guy that he wasn't, uh, and obviously there's going to be pressure coming after a guy like Tom Brady, but I mean, Baker has come in and as we seen over the last couple years, played some of the best ball of his career.
• 48:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's just again, it's unfortunate that the second half of last season finished the way that it did because There were just some issues that we haven't seen and you know, he's always been an up and down guy.
• 48:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: He'll give you a quote.
• 48:40
  [SPEAKER_06]: We're hot and cold kind of momentum like player.
• 48:43
  [SPEAKER_06]: I don't want to put his name in a guy with like a Brett Forve.
• 48:47
  [SPEAKER_06]: Ask, you know, I'm saying because Brett Forve of all of his success.
• 48:51
  [SPEAKER_06]: I'm not trying to compare him.
• 48:53
  [SPEAKER_06]: but you do that momentum, the gunslinging, when it's working, it's working and then when it's not, it's not kind of, you know, Baker has that and he really did catch that fire with you guys, and then when it gets out, it seems to spiral a little.
• 49:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and it's, it's not at the level of like a, you know, a guy that I've always thought of like that is Ryan Fitzpatrick right we all love it's magic we saw for so many different teams we saw what happened in Tampa he was a starter for little under half of the season and four or five of those games were great 400 plus yard performances three four touchdowns through the air and then all of a sudden he has one touchdown and three picks.
• 49:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: Baker isn't necessarily that bad, uh, because he's typically not a guy who falls into a rut and stays there for very long, you know, he'll strain together some games where it's like, uh, but last year it was just weak in and weak out.
• 49:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: Things are just not happening.
• 49:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: Well, like,
• 49:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: It I don't know.
• 49:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: I him using his legs was a huge part of the season early on, you know, he has so many highlight real plays the fourth down conversion again San Francisco.
• 50:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: He was able to do it again this year.
• 50:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: He did it against the Texans week two, you know, that game or that play basically won them the game.
• 50:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: It was fourth down if you didn't get it the bucks lose.
• 50:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: So, I mean, him using his legs was taken away from for a little bit, but once they played Buffalo, he was able to do that a little bit more.
• 50:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: And then it just like never, I don't know, never materialized into smart decision-making like it was in the first half of the season.
• 50:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know, he's playing behind a makeshift offensive line by week 10, most of those guys are healthy.
• 50:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you lost Cody Moutk for the year.
• 50:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: So you've got some inconsistency with your guards because the bucks were like swapping out practice squad guys each and every week.
• 50:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: So I totally get it from that aspect, but just from mechanics to decision-making to confidence in his own abilities, he was a different guy the second half a last year.
• 51:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: So again, that's what's gonna get talked about when
• 51:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know, reports of a baker contract start floating around, um, but I wouldn't hate it.
• 51:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think he's given us a lot more good than bad, uh, and in, in the NFL, man, it's, it's very hard to find a quarterback.
• 51:16
  [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, man, you can see what the, uh, see, I've said down with Sam Garfields, uh, another quarterback that's right here through here is a feeling to me with Baker, and this is like my final comment.
• 51:24
  [SPEAKER_06]: We'll get to free agency is that Baker cooks when he's not supposed to, uh,
• 51:28
  [SPEAKER_06]: And then when he's supposed to he doesn't let's jump into Tampa's free agency go ahead tell us what's happened We brought in and this is out what we love bringing in an outside perspective from not only just the division but anybody from the outside because we get in these echo chambers of talking about football and I mean every team you don't win the Super Bowl
• 51:54
  [SPEAKER_06]: in free agency, but a lot of times a good free agency can make a big difference.
• 51:58
  [SPEAKER_06]: And when the Carolina Panthers went out and got Devin Lloyd and Jalen Phillips and it's like the biggest splash free agency that we have had as fans, we got locked into this echo chamber of like, man, we won.
• 52:12
  [SPEAKER_06]: We're doing this.
• 52:13
  [SPEAKER_06]: We like, yeah, we had to up and down season.
• 52:15
  [SPEAKER_06]: But look at how we played against the Rams and the playoffs.
• 52:18
  [SPEAKER_06]: And now we're adding these parts that were real weaknesses of the team.
• 52:21
  [SPEAKER_06]: and our long time friend in a good buddy.
• 52:23
  [SPEAKER_06]: So of the show about roses, he was not as impressed by the Panthers off of a free agency as we were and not that he was being rude or anything.
• 52:35
  [SPEAKER_06]: He was just like, look, I like this Jalen Phillips, but he did not think this Devon Lloyd pick was because we're just, we're looking at an old top five free agency.
• 52:42
  [SPEAKER_06]: So he's like, no, I don't think he, because they were shopping Devon Lloyd.
• 52:46
  [SPEAKER_06]: So, um,
• 52:48
  [SPEAKER_06]: I would say this is a but before we started meeting with the outsiders, we thought man, the Panthers of one free agency in the division, the Falcons, the two attack of Aloha, the player getting going to jail in this and it's like, what's happening there?
• 53:03
  [SPEAKER_06]: Who knows the Saints with Tyler Schuck, yeah, but Travis at the end, they never, they didn't have the money, the voodoo magic maybe didn't work out.
• 53:12
  [SPEAKER_06]: And then I thought, uh, Tampa quiet.
• 53:16
  [SPEAKER_06]: Quiet kind of is like in he was like I'm really interested in Tampa's pit.
• 53:21
  [SPEAKER_06]: So what do you think about Tampa Bay's free agency?
• 53:24
  [SPEAKER_06]: Because we are just kind of like I guess too locked in on us hopefully dying to wanting to take the next step as a team and finding any addition as a reason to believe that we're about to do it.
• 53:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: I get it man, um, as far as Tampa's free agency goes, I know I kind of took a big old crap over it, uh, when I first got on here, and I still stand by my statement.
• 53:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think the bucks address their needs, I just think they got older and slower, um, Alex
• 54:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: Tampa guy, you know, he said it was a no-brainer for him.
• 54:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: He's a quality player quality starter and the departure of Levante David is is a lot of the same cliff notes is the Mike Evans thing right he ties he ties the franchise record for
• 54:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: Uh, total tackles with Derek Brooks.
• 54:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, there's not a lot of Derek Brooks around the NFL, especially not in the box organization.
• 54:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: So like that's a pretty cool thing.
• 54:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: He's at the top of all these records.
• 54:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: He's another guy that unfortunately is going to take a little bit longer to get into the Hall of Fame than Mike Evans.
• 54:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think that's a crock, but you know, there are statistics that show he should certainly be there.
• 54:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: Um, it's just not the vanity metrics like probals.
• 54:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: Uh,
• 54:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: So with that being said, to replace Levantay David, you know, that you got to bring in three guys at that position when you look at
• 54:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: how much line packer was a liability for the buccaneer's last season.
• 54:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: They decided to roll the dice on Cervocie Dennis.
• 54:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: He's a draft pick that they like.
• 54:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: He showed him a little bit in 2024.
• 55:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: He was out with injury for a large chunk of that season, but he looked promising in the early going.
• 55:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: In 2025, week one against Atlanta.
• 55:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: uh... beach on robinson took his ankles out for an eighty art touchdown and that was unfortunately a sign of things to come for the next seventeen weeks uh... as far as linebackers in coverage go vontay david i love levontay david man i can again i can i can i can sit here and have the same speech for you that i delivered from my heavens but he was a third round pick right levontay
• 55:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: with one was because yet because it was the two yet the double like yet you know did with cancer do you have to it was Devon white right what was up one was a high pick and one was kind of maybe second you know I think Levantay was a second round pick okay that was what I still I mean yeah i twenty twelve uh they got him as a second round pick I don't know why I'm blanking out on their first round pick from twenty twelve um
• 56:02
  [SPEAKER_06]: Because then I think they weren't got Devin white year after seven years later.
• 56:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: They got they got that long.
• 56:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they got they got that was 2019.
• 56:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: But the thing about Levanté Dave is that he was at missed a step.
• 56:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know what I mean?
• 56:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: He was a guy who was heading into year seven and year eight and was still a premier off ball linebacker in the NFL.
• 56:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know, so.
• 56:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: to replace him and supplement how bad to Vossier Dennis was in 2025.
• 56:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: You're bringing a guy like Alex and Zalone.
• 56:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: You sign a Christian Rosenboom and you hopefully nail a pick on the draft here.
• 56:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: I wouldn't be upset with a Jacob Rodriguez in the second round if he's available there on day two.
• 56:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: But in my humble opinion, I look at specifically the Ed Drusher's two when we take into account the Bucks draft needs.
• 56:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: A lot of people are looking at defense and these early rounds first and second round.
• 56:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: you would love any combination of edge rusher and linebacker, but I look at Jason lights history of drafting edge rusher specifically for the Tampa Bay book and heirs around the first in the second rounds.
• 57:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: And they don't work out so I am among the people in the fan base who are just kind of like f them picks But Jason light loves his picks and to be honest when you've got ownership that doesn't like spending money.
• 57:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: He's like the It doesn't really like spending money
• 57:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: you have to kind of leverage those picks in certain situations.
• 57:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: If that's all the currency you're going to get, you know, they're not as eager to open up the checkbook as they were when Tom Brady was here in the stadium was sold out every week.
• 57:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: So, that's an unfortunate reality that Jason Light has to deal with and that's something you take into account, especially when the bucks make the moves that they do here, but back to Anne's alone, great player.
• 57:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: But he's not going to be here contributing in three years.
• 57:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: is the way that I look at it.
• 57:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: And that's how I look at a lot of these signings.
• 57:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: I like Kenneth Gainwell a lot.
• 57:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: As a replacement for Rashad White, I think he can do more than Rashad White, respectively.
• 58:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: I like Rashad White a lot, especially as a receiving back, but between Bucky Irving and Sean Tucker, he just got a little lost in their last year.
• 58:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I think a little bit of that was Josh Grzard's game plan and sometimes it didn't include him.
• 58:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: There was one game where they gave Rashad White one carry for 32 yards and then didn't give him the ball again.
• 58:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: Uh, I don't understand why that happened, but it would have been nice to see what it would have been nice to see of get at least one more carry.
• 58:30
  [SPEAKER_06]: Uh, but I do, okay, I was that sick.
• 58:32
  [SPEAKER_06]: Hey, what do you think about seeing Anne's alone, either side, Rosbin?
• 58:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's, uh, it's, uh, it's, uh, it's, uh, it's, uh, it's, uh, it's, uh, it's, uh, it's, uh, it's, uh, it's, uh, it's, uh, it's, uh, it's, uh, it's, uh, it's, uh, it's, uh, it's, uh, it's, uh, it's, uh, it's, uh, it's, uh, it's, uh, it's, uh, it's, uh, it's, uh, it's, uh, it's, uh, it's, uh, it's, uh, it's, uh, it's, uh, it's, uh, it's, uh, it's, uh, it's, uh, it's, uh, it's, uh, it's, uh, it's, uh, it's, uh, it's, uh, it's, uh, it's, uh, it's,
• 58:56
  [SPEAKER_03]: Well, he wasn't necessarily like a game-changing linebacker.
• 59:03
  [SPEAKER_03]: He certainly is a reasonable depth piece that's not a liability in a lot of ways.
• 59:11
  [SPEAKER_03]: What's your take on that addition and are you feeling as though that moves the needle for you guys at all or do you think this is just kind of a
• 59:20
  [SPEAKER_03]: another bread solution until you're able to find that that Levante David or somebody else to replace some pretty big shoes.
• 59:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: It hires the floor.
• 59:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know, I still think the bucks are going to put a lot of merit and decent playing time in a guy like Servasi A. Dennis.
• 59:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: They love their homegrown talent.
• 59:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: We almost make fun of Jason Light.
• 59:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: He has a saying we love our guys and sometimes they love their guys to the detriment of the team.
• 59:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: uh... but i do think that you know rose boom is going to be one of those rotational guys he's just a little bit saved up then what the box had last year because outside of levante david who i've called in the ageless wonder his entire career last year he had any injury that was bug at him i'm gonna blame it on that the last year he was slow he was not same guy um...
• 1:00:06
  [SPEAKER_06]: But what a career, if you think about it, if it takes that long, I mean, that's insane because when you said Dev and White was 2019, it feels like ages ago.
• 1:00:18
  [SPEAKER_06]: And man, Levantay David, what a stud, almost kind of, I won't say it's in the realm of like the Mike Evans is like, why aren't they getting more accolades or more
• 1:00:34
  [SPEAKER_06]: What?
• 1:00:35
  [SPEAKER_06]: The market?
• 1:00:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know I know because he existed and played at the same time as a guy named Luke Keakley.
• 1:00:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: And uh, you know, I saw a lot of the limelight away from, uh, 2013 Levantay David especially when they gave Keakley defensive player in the year.
• 1:00:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not sour grapes about it.
• 1:00:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: Nobody is, uh, not right.
• 1:00:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's, it's 13 years in the past.
• 1:00:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, who's still sour about that?
• 1:01:01
  [SPEAKER_06]: No, it's kind of funny, too, to hear you talk about kind of when the, I guess, the optim, like, no, it's like, Anne's alone a good player, this and that, and I'm not saying this and that, and I'm not trying to be like, damn, of what I'm saying is the Panthers have historically had
• 1:01:21
  [SPEAKER_06]: This strong linebacker core.
• 1:01:26
  [SPEAKER_06]: You can go to John Beeson Thomas Davis and you go to Luke Keakley.
• 1:01:31
  [SPEAKER_06]: Well, you can go back to Dan Morgan.
• 1:01:34
  [SPEAKER_06]: Will wither Spoon and back in the early 2000s who Dan Morgan is now our GM.
• 1:01:38
  [SPEAKER_06]: But then you go to John Beeson and Thomas Davis.
• 1:01:42
  [SPEAKER_06]: Then you go to Thomas Davis and Luke Keakley.
• 1:01:47
  [SPEAKER_06]: And then, um, yeah, check, uh, check Thompson come in when we thought we're going to keep this.
• 1:01:54
  [SPEAKER_06]: And you get almost so used to it as a fan base.
• 1:01:59
  [SPEAKER_06]: Like to wear, we just like, man, we just rock with these guys.
• 1:02:02
  [SPEAKER_06]: They're dominant.
• 1:02:02
  [SPEAKER_06]: You don't this.
• 1:02:03
  [SPEAKER_06]: And then we went through seek and seek.
• 1:02:05
  [SPEAKER_06]: I always reference this.
• 1:02:07
  [SPEAKER_06]: This time period after Luke Keakley retired.
• 1:02:10
  [SPEAKER_06]: and we we always called tired white head to read to hear white is like and then we got in this rut of just like these kind of banded linebackers that we didn't believe in that they didn't this and it sounds like you're already concerned in a sense, not about Anzoloni as a player, but like how do you get back to where you don't have to worry about the position at all?
• 1:02:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: copy and paste that to every other signing the books made over 30 years old.
• 1:02:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's not that I have a problem with these players.
• 1:02:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know, Alcadine Mohammed, 12 sacks last year, playing next to a generational led drusher.
• 1:02:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: How good is the guy?
• 1:02:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, we'll find out.
• 1:02:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: Looks good on the tape.
• 1:02:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: I feel like he'd be a good fit in this defense, but is he going to be a contributor on this team in five years?
• 1:03:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think realistically, a Sean Robinson, I like him a lot.
• 1:03:05
  [SPEAKER_06]: One of the things we love him too.
• 1:03:07
  [SPEAKER_06]: We love him too, but he's like you said, the age was kind of aging when he came to Carolina and he played hard, he played great.
• 1:03:15
  [SPEAKER_06]: It's like when do it's a bridge, their bridge players.
• 1:03:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: And they paid him $10 million a year.
• 1:03:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think his salary has ever been that high.
• 1:03:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: And the history of his career, not saying he doesn't deserve it.
• 1:03:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't get caught up in the player salary, but when you do bargain binge shopping like the bucks do, fans get obsessed with the cap space.
• 1:03:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: When you pay a guy like A-Shon Robbins in $10 million a year, and you pay Alex and Zaloney with they paid him.
• 1:03:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: Not saying he doesn't deserve it, but if you split the difference, in my opinion, that's the difference between a guy like Alex and Zaloney,
• 1:03:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: And a guy like Dev and Lloyd, I would have been upset if the guy signed a Dev and Lloyd.
• 1:03:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: And a Kobe Dean was available for around that price.
• 1:04:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I feel like that's the difference between a team that is just putting a bandaid on, kind of accepting that this is what it is.
• 1:04:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we need contributors.
• 1:04:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: These guys could come and play and win us some games.
• 1:04:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: But it's like they do that, they play it safe.
• 1:04:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: I would much rather than at this stage of the game.
• 1:04:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: Just get a little bit of a, get a little bit aggressive.
• 1:04:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: Take a chance, get that younger guy who, I don't know, could work out at 27, what is he 27, 28 years old?
• 1:04:28
  [SPEAKER_06]: Devon Lloyd 27, but let me ask you this in another way of looking at it is,
• 1:04:37
  [SPEAKER_06]: you can get aggressive right, but you can also this almost feels like there's a aggressive and I'm with you too is like instead of trying to spread money around let's target it on more blue chip players in a sense now there's some risk there because you have as a GM you got to look at like we really have to fill out a roster and play a season.
• 1:04:58
  [SPEAKER_06]: right so it's like we might be able to add this player but if they get injured we still have all of these other things that were also issues that we have to address.
• 1:05:06
  [SPEAKER_06]: We've got to feel the team.
• 1:05:08
  [SPEAKER_06]: There's a couple ways of looking at it as like as a aggressiveness as in trying to stay where you're at and maybe take a step forward.
• 1:05:15
  [SPEAKER_06]: There is fairway and some ways I think this is kind of some of these signings from here and you talk about them are like fairway hits.
• 1:05:24
  [SPEAKER_06]: is we're not reaching but we're not pulling up in a sense and you can be conservative or fairway, but also the problem with this too is maybe you're ignoring the fact that it's time to kind of reset.
• 1:05:42
  [SPEAKER_06]: and i'm not saying that your team should reset but what do you think about that is like mean you have that aggressive option like is instead of spreading it out let's get this one or two guys and make a difference fairway hit or is this assigned to that like look is man the box of really they got that they spent with the Tom Brady they got the superbow is this that reset period and trying to i don't know that's just kind of what i was thinking
• 1:06:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's, it's a, it's a little bit of all that.
• 1:06:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I think it's all valid points when you talk about the situation that they're in.
• 1:06:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: I, I, I, I.
• 1:06:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: First off, I don't think Bulls should be here.
• 1:06:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think you should be here.
• 1:06:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: You don't like him?
• 1:06:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: Not at this stage of the game.
• 1:06:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: I defended him for as long as I possibly could.
• 1:06:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I don't think there were many people in the fan base who had bad things to say about him when the bucks were five and one.
• 1:06:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: But when he was consistently a guy who walked up to the podium with no answers for a floundering team and then just continued to kind of schlep it onto his players.
• 1:06:48
  [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, I was going to ask you about that because he said, uh, man, this player's just got to pick it up.
• 1:06:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know what?
• 1:06:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: And he's not wrong.
• 1:06:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like, it's the national football league.
• 1:06:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: Players got to play.
• 1:06:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: At the end of the day, you've got to know what your execution is.
• 1:07:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: You got to go out there and do it.
• 1:07:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: But maybe if you want guys to pay more attention and practice and maybe you want them to be more locked in.
• 1:07:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe you don't give them seven days off or by week.
• 1:07:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
• 1:07:14
  [SPEAKER_06]: You know, we have a I went to you mentioned you mentioned you're a four gators of animal ECU pirates fan, which is team probably never heard of them, but we're all right, we beat Miami when they were top for number two in 1999 we better.
• 1:07:28
  [SPEAKER_06]: But we had a beloved coach at one point, Ruffen McNeil.
• 1:07:33
  [SPEAKER_06]: But he kind of reminds me of Todd Bowles a little bit, or it maybe not, it's Todd Bowles because Ruffen was just like a player's coach, man.
• 1:07:39
  [SPEAKER_06]: He's just like everybody loved Ruff, his big guy.
• 1:07:42
  [SPEAKER_06]: But like he would be late for the plane sometimes, or something like this, and it was just like, I can feel like Ruff would be like, I just don't want to go to work this week.
• 1:07:50
  [SPEAKER_06]: It's Todd Bowles just like, I didn't want to go to work this week.
• 1:07:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think it's a matter of professionalism.
• 1:07:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think he's checked out by any means.
• 1:08:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: I just, I don't think he is a coach who can actively get the best out of his players.
• 1:08:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I think when we look at the box and we look at their ceiling, under Todd Bulls, you know, 22, 23, 24 and 25.
• 1:08:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: We now have four full seasons of the Todd Bulls experience.
• 1:08:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: One of those,
• 1:08:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: was with Tom Brady, which still is unbelievable to think about.
• 1:08:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: We gave Tom Brady a blessing from the buck and ears on his way out.
• 1:08:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: We said, thanks for the Super Bowl.
• 1:08:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: Here is your first ever losing season in your career.
• 1:08:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: You enjoy it, buddy.
• 1:08:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: You take that.
• 1:08:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: We got absolutely shall act by Dallas in the first round.
• 1:08:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: I took my poor mother to that game.
• 1:08:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: The bucks were a joke in 2022.
• 1:08:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: 2023, you get Baker
• 1:08:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: probably the most promising season they have had realistically you you put together a pretty good season you have that mid-season slump that we talked about but you really Really played your ass off at the end of the year made it to the postseason got a beat up feeling team and bear us them in front of your home crowd and add a pretty decent game into joy
• 1:09:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: your one Baker mainfield fourth quarter interception away from the S.E.
• 1:09:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: championship game.
• 1:09:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: All right, that's upward moment on for 2024.
• 1:09:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: Dave Canalis leads to be the Carolina Panthers head coach.
• 1:09:21
  [SPEAKER_06]: Oh, we gotta talk about this a little about the leaf continues.
• 1:09:25
  [SPEAKER_06]: Sorry, I forgot even asking about Dave Cameras.
• 1:09:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you're good.
• 1:09:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: So 2024, the bucks get this guy named Liam Cohen, this new stud offensive coordinator, a little bit of a question mark at that point, but let's see if he can get the most out of Baker Mayfield.
• 1:09:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: Baker Mayfield has had best season of his career.
• 1:09:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: The Tampa Bay Buck and he was finished a top three rushing team in the NFL, which the bucks are terrible at running the ball.
• 1:09:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: They've always been bad at running the ball like for my entire life.
• 1:09:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know, we've had Mike all start.
• 1:09:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: We've had a lot of really fun backfields and, you know, Doug Martin had his moments.
• 1:10:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: Don't get me wrong.
• 1:10:02
  [SPEAKER_02]: Rest in peace.
• 1:10:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: Books at their best have never been a dominant team on the ground.
• 1:10:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: And they were a top three team under Liam Cohen.
• 1:10:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: So, the end of that season happens.
• 1:10:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: Upper trajectory.
• 1:10:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: I know you, you know, losing the postseason again.
• 1:10:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's a little disappointing.
• 1:10:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: You recently am going to be your offensive coordinator, you make him the highest paid O.C.
• 1:10:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: in the NFL and then not even 24 hours later, uh, he's up in Jacksonville taking a head coaching job and like the bucks cannot necessarily help how that situation turned out.
• 1:10:38
  [SPEAKER_06]: There's a lot of you think about that as a bucks fan because, um, I mean, like, I don't really blame anybody ever for taking.
• 1:10:47
  [SPEAKER_06]: The month of job the money.
• 1:10:49
  [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, they they paid him supposedly a lot, but I say, man, get that head coach job when you can get it because your name won't be in the cycle the next time.
• 1:10:59
  [SPEAKER_06]: I don't care people are like, oh wait for your opportunity, but then it did have this like slide a hand feel or at least some people portrayed it as that what did you guys feel in that moment?
• 1:11:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, it was, I mean, people were pissed.
• 1:11:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: The book's organization was pissed.
• 1:11:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: People can lie about it now and say it's water under the bridge, but the way that it happened was sneaky and underhanded.
• 1:11:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: But I don't blame them for taking the job.
• 1:11:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: Jacksonville proved they were serious as well when they fired the general manager.
• 1:11:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know, he made it clear he didn't want to work with the guy that they had.
• 1:11:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: And,
• 1:11:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: They made it happen.
• 1:11:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's a commitment that the bucks were not ready to give them.
• 1:11:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: Uh, you know, the bucks were going to make them the highest paid offensive coordinator in the NFL.
• 1:11:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: But nobody was talking about firing Todd Bowles to make Liam Cohen head coach until after he signed with Jacksonville.
• 1:11:53
  [SPEAKER_06]: That wasn't happening then.
• 1:11:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: It just wasn't realistic like hindsight's always 2020 and like yeah, man, I wish we did that.
• 1:12:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know me and everybody else I certainly hate to see him have a 12 win season in Jacksonville and and you know Get the most out of those guys, but that's the kind of coach he is in the box missed another good one So now we're three seasons into the bull's experience We are three offensive coordinators into the bull's experience.
• 1:12:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: He fired by and left to it After 2022 because he didn't pick Byron and Byron kind of sucked
• 1:12:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: Um, so 2023 goes by their stud offensive coordinator gets a head coaching job 2024 goes by their stud offensive coordinator gets a head coaching job.
• 1:12:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: We're developing a bit of a pattern here, 2025.
• 1:12:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: You start strong, you get Josh Grisard again.
• 1:12:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: He was kind of thrown a shit sandwich when it comes to the injuries at the beginning of the season.
• 1:12:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: So I can't entirely blame Josh Grisard.
• 1:12:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not going to say that he's a terrible offensive coordinator because he's not.
• 1:12:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think it was just pretty unfair for him to come into this situation and succeed with what he was given.
• 1:12:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: But it ultimately didn't work out.
• 1:12:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: And things fell off down the stretch.
• 1:13:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: He ends up skipping town because the buck's fire is asked.
• 1:13:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: But like he was not the answer.
• 1:13:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: I look at what we've seen so far.
• 1:13:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I tell myself the ceiling with this team.
• 1:13:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: Under Todd Bowls is maybe 10 wins, maybe a win a week division and your stud offensive coordinator gets a head coaching job somewhere.
• 1:13:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think that's sustainable.
• 1:13:29
  [SPEAKER_06]: Oh, God, it's okay.
• 1:13:31
  [SPEAKER_06]: Have you ever heard that before?
• 1:13:32
  [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
• 1:13:33
  [SPEAKER_06]: Have you ever heard a discussion about how we need an offensive head coach.
• 1:13:41
  [SPEAKER_06]: So you don't reset the system.
• 1:13:43
  [SPEAKER_06]: All right.
• 1:13:44
  [SPEAKER_06]: We're going to get back because I got a question.
• 1:13:46
  [SPEAKER_06]: Oh, I got one, I mean, do you need to go?
• 1:13:49
  [SPEAKER_06]: I told you 20 minutes, but if you're here at the talk.
• 1:13:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: You're good.
• 1:13:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: I got a little bit of time.
• 1:13:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: Probably like 10, 30 ish I got about.
• 1:13:56
  [SPEAKER_06]: All right, well, look, is I just have, ultimately, I was going to say this is Dave can now as we talk, you brought it up.
• 1:14:05
  [SPEAKER_06]: I wasn't going to bring it up, but you brought up the Cohen, brought up Dave can now as Dave can now as our head coach, we're a team in despair, we are
• 1:14:17
  [SPEAKER_06]: not getting.
• 1:14:18
  [SPEAKER_06]: We're not going to hire the top coaches.
• 1:14:20
  [SPEAKER_06]: Nobody wants to come supposedly.
• 1:14:24
  [SPEAKER_06]: You are reaching deeper into the bucket.
• 1:14:26
  [SPEAKER_06]: The connections from Dan Morgan and Seattle to Dave Canales.
• 1:14:32
  [SPEAKER_06]: Dave Canales Baker has a great year with Tampa.
• 1:14:37
  [SPEAKER_06]: He comes to Carolina,
• 1:14:46
  [SPEAKER_06]: And to be honest, I'm, I'm okay with Dave canalists as a coach, right?
• 1:14:51
  [SPEAKER_06]: Like as I mean, they're, he's growing, you need that these are going to be these moments.
• 1:14:56
  [SPEAKER_06]: But this past year, or not this past year, just recently in the last few months, he announced that he wouldn't be giving over play calling responsibility, which I think is wise to his buddy.
• 1:15:08
  [SPEAKER_06]: Who's his buddy?
• 1:15:13
  [SPEAKER_06]: But, you know, can Alice comes in and we're like this, oh, oh, they have a Panther fans who have been in that defensive-minded coach mentality where your offensive coordinator if you do hit is going to move on and we've got our offensive guy and then Panther fans have been in despair, some of them about Dave can Alice, not being in a play calls call plays and this and that.
• 1:15:42
  [SPEAKER_06]: Not necessarily in his time in Tampa because it seemed like that was fine, but like as watching him move on from Tampa to Carolina, you're just thoughts on Dave Canales and then we'll finish out with how you guys didn't free agency.
• 1:16:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: I like Dave.
• 1:16:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: I very much like you said, I like the Ted Lasso comparison because he is happy to go lucky.
• 1:16:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: He's very, you know, media train knows how to say the right thing at the right time.
• 1:16:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: But Dave can now let's gave me a birthday present.
• 1:16:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: I will never forget.
• 1:16:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: It was December 31st, 2023.
• 1:16:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: The Tampa Bay Buccaneers were playing the New Orleans Saints in Raymond James Stadium.
• 1:16:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: I was at the game.
• 1:16:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: And the bucks were trailing 20 to nothing.
• 1:16:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: It was third down in the third quarter.
• 1:16:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: And we ran a crack toss to the left like five yards behind the line of scrimmage.
• 1:16:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I got out of my seat and I left.
• 1:16:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: And to this day, that is the first and only bucks game in my entire life.
• 1:16:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: that I have left early, uh, partially because it was my birthday.
• 1:16:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I was so pissed off that they delivered me what they did, um, but also it was hilarious that you brought up his play calling because that's kind of where I understand a lot of the frustration among the fan base and I can understand why, you know, honestly, this is a good move for him to kind of hand over the reins here.
• 1:17:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think he's a good head coach.
• 1:17:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: I just
• 1:17:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think at some point, you have to look at what's working and what's not working and what's losing you football games.
• 1:17:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, he's found a way to tap in a brace young a little bit, which is which is nice to see, but you get him a little bit.
• 1:17:21
  [SPEAKER_06]: Not enough either.
• 1:17:22
  [SPEAKER_06]: And when you mentioned that he's a good head coach or I think this is that being a head coach sometimes is being able
• 1:17:30
  [SPEAKER_06]: There's a hard time for people that are good at things to delegate responsibility, right, is like it's easier for you to do it than to trust and train someone else to do it, and this is going to go two ways, but I think it is.
• 1:17:47
  [SPEAKER_06]: it was detracting a little bit like from him growing as a head coach like how do you manage the clock how are you managing players coming out how are you doing these different things and it's so much and it actually is a testament to these guys that can do it like an Andy Reed but he's done it for a bazillion years or Kyle Shanahan who these are just these crazy savans but
• 1:18:12
  [SPEAKER_06]: when you look at Liam Cohen going to Jacksonville is was Dave Canales really good as an offensive coordinator there because it was only one year.
• 1:18:26
  [SPEAKER_06]: He only had one year calling plays and it did work out well.
• 1:18:30
  [SPEAKER_06]: But the Liam Cohen story has more legs to it.
• 1:18:35
  [SPEAKER_06]: um how is that what what is was do you see anything to I guess what I'm alluding to and I'm not trying to get an answer it's just like oh Dave can Alice got Baker going but Lee and Cohen got him going to and then he went became a star why do you think Lee and Cohen I guess had more success in his first year than Dave can Alice.
• 1:19:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: But when we look at their time in Tampa, Dave Canalis was promising, like you said it was one year.
• 1:19:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: So it was more or less an audition, especially with a first-year guy in a new system in Baker Mayfield.
• 1:19:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: It was an audition for a little bit of every, everybody was promising, you get that playoff when you do it in dominating fashion, you put a lot of points on the board, so it was promising and it was something that could hopefully build and develop into something else.
• 1:19:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: Liam Cohen was eight.
• 1:19:34
  [SPEAKER_06]: better.
• 1:19:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: Relational generation.
• 1:19:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: I know it sounds ridiculous, but the football mind that this guy has, we're going to be talking about it in 5 10 15 years because he is just, he is that level of creativity.
• 1:19:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: When you hear other coaches in the NFL talk about him and how they gain playing against him and the adjustments that he's able to make, you know, he's a little bit of a cornball sometimes like don't get me wrong.
• 1:19:59
  [SPEAKER_06]: We can't
• 1:20:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: I feel like every football genius is a little weird, right little socially awkward, maybe not always professional Maybe not always buttoned up or says the right things at the right time, but he gets the most out of his players and You know, again, I know it was a disappointing, you know, postseason for Jacksonville, but
• 1:20:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: to reach the heights that they did in the regular season for first year head coach he's already this is whole areas he's already like a top five winning his head coach and jacks history if not top three and saying that's it said I saw this pop up
• 1:20:38
  [SPEAKER_06]: That in look we went through this and we're not going to go through this with you last the last week with Bob Rose.
• 1:20:47
  [SPEAKER_06]: We had this tweet that was top coaches and league and I have a buddy I go on pirate radar every Friday and he has a thing that he always says is like you really want to get the internet round up you make a list.
• 1:21:01
  [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, and then you make a list where one thing is left off and one thing is completely wrong and this will get the internet going
• 1:21:11
  [SPEAKER_06]: we did this with head coaches with Bob Rose, but I saw this is top 10 teams that got worse.
• 1:21:19
  [SPEAKER_06]: I don't even know who this is from, but it says Seattle, Chicago, Jacksonville, Green Bay, Indianapolis, Tampa Bay's at six.
• 1:21:29
  [SPEAKER_06]: What do you think?
• 1:21:30
  [SPEAKER_06]: Did you guys get worse?
• 1:21:32
  [SPEAKER_06]: Or do you get better?
• 1:21:33
  [SPEAKER_06]: Or what do you think about the list?
• 1:21:35
  [SPEAKER_06]: Go for it.
• 1:21:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: I ultimately think the book stagnated and depending on how some of these signings shake out, depending on how somebody's draft picks shake out, they could potentially be worse.
• 1:21:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, when you look along that defensive line, all the guys that I mentioned, I truly think that when it comes to their past rush, unless one of these signings,
• 1:22:07
  [SPEAKER_06]: Which by the way, 1213 is crazy.
• 1:22:10
  [SPEAKER_06]: Like, if it's the expectation of somebody to be a 12-sat guy, that is a fact in high, that's a lot.
• 1:22:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I don't have a strong feeling.
• 1:22:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: He's going to repeat that performance.
• 1:22:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: He's not going to be playing across from an eat in Hutchinson.
• 1:22:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: So let's say he is the one guy who's like a little bit disappointing on that defensive line compared to everybody else they have.
• 1:22:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: it's still going to be a lot of the same.
• 1:22:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: You're still going to look at this defensive line and say, damn, they need a premier edgerusher because his son, Reddit last year, was the guy that you signed, hopefully be that and he did not work out.
• 1:22:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: You can call it the scheme.
• 1:22:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: You can call it his ability.
• 1:22:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: There was some chatter that towards the end.
• 1:22:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: there's some chatter towards the end of the season, you know, that guys were frustrated, guys weren't entirely buying in, paying attention at practice and executing.
• 1:23:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: Y'all got the hobby, had like a tell-all interview in the locker room with a pew to report down here, where he more or less throw to bunch of guys down to the bus.
• 1:23:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: It wasn't naming anyone, but he said, like, there were guys that just were not engaged with what we were trying to do.
• 1:23:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: So, whether that was him or not, he didn't work out.
• 1:23:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: The bucks move on from Logan Hall.
• 1:23:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: He didn't work out.
• 1:23:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: They're Logan Hall.
• 1:23:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think you got better in that department, so it'll be interesting to see if they bring out any fronts where it's like Asian Robinson and Vita Veda next to each other.
• 1:23:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: That'd be a whole lot of fun, but I don't know if it makes their past rush significantly better.
• 1:23:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: the line-backer position unless they get aggressive and they get a game-changing line-backer here I don't know if they got a whole lot better on the offensive side of the ball in the receiver room especially a lot of people at surface value are going to say the bucks have a deep wide receiver room and in certain respects they do absolutely they got a ton of talented players in there I'm excited to watch a mecca of bokeh Jalen McMillan is a guy who's not being talked about enough Chris Godwin now the veteran in that wide receiver room which is crazy the bucks drafted him all the way back
• 1:24:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: Uh, the thing that they're missing from that wide receiver room is a dominant X receiver.
• 1:24:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: A guy like Mike Evans who can get open against Pressman coverage, who can create separation.
• 1:24:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: A mecca book is a great route runner and he can separate every now and again, but he wasn't great.
• 1:24:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: It was not as good as Mike Evans, off of the line of scrimmage.
• 1:24:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: Jalen McMillan is probably the best receiver they have currently, who can play and get open against press and man coverage.
• 1:24:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: They just don't have anybody who can really do that.
• 1:24:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: And people who are hoping that a mecca boooka can just easily become
• 1:24:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: and X receiver in his offense is not gonna happen.
• 1:24:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: I love the guy but he doesn't have the frame.
• 1:24:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: He doesn't have the size.
• 1:24:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: He doesn't have the physicality to his game.
• 1:24:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: He doesn't have that skill set.
• 1:24:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's not type of receiver he is.
• 1:24:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: David Sills is a guy that they signed from Atlanta.
• 1:24:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: David Sills is also the guy that converted that dreaded fourth and 14.
• 1:25:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: I was talking about earlier in that game against the Falcons on Thursday night football A lot of people look at that is the turning point from Mike Evans because I don't know if you guys saw it But he was you know coming off of the field throwing his helmet off in the hallway headed to the locker room What was the final score of that game that you left?
• 1:25:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh my god
• 1:25:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: They want it with a field goal the last second.
• 1:25:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: So it was one possession game, but I couldn't tell you.
• 1:25:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: I just, I watched a two possession lead diminishing like six and a half minutes.
• 1:25:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: And we all in the stadium knew what was going to happen.
• 1:25:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: So again, like how much better is there defense now compared to that game?
• 1:25:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: don't feel like they're much better.
• 1:25:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: On the offensive side of the ball, they're missing pieces at what, they're missing a huge piece at why receiver.
• 1:25:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: It can still be a good receiver room, don't we?
• 1:25:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: Wrong.
• 1:25:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's going to take, you know, Zach Robinson and his creativity to hopefully bail these guys out to some degree.
• 1:25:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: But the way that I look at this book's team and forecast their 20, 26 season, you know, even with all the things that I feel like are going to be the same,
• 1:26:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think this team is only going to go as far as Baker will take them because I'm pretty to be a backer bottom.
• 1:26:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: I see.
• 1:26:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: How to a shout out to the Baker Bros, okay?
• 1:26:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: You brought up odd cast numbers in getting it up, but that's not it.
• 1:26:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: going from Tom Brady to Baker wasn't too bad.
• 1:26:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: It was a much softer landing than I expected it to be.
• 1:26:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: So we appreciate it.
• 1:26:33
  [SPEAKER_06]: You don't want to lose for seven years in a row and wait until you see what your podcast numbers will be.
• 1:26:38
  [SPEAKER_06]: Final question just a way out.
• 1:26:39
  [SPEAKER_06]: We've been asking everybody this.
• 1:26:42
  [SPEAKER_06]: is right now.
• 1:26:43
  [SPEAKER_06]: And the odds vary, but the bucks are favored to win the division.
• 1:26:50
  [SPEAKER_06]: The Saints are, and this is ESPN.
• 1:26:54
  [SPEAKER_06]: We can find different ones, but they are back to February.
• 1:26:58
  [SPEAKER_06]: bucks plus one fifty Saints plus two ninety Panthers three twenty Falcons plus four twenty five so Tampa Saints Panthers Falcons.
• 1:27:11
  [SPEAKER_06]: What's the best?
• 1:27:12
  [SPEAKER_06]: I want to say bad because we're not a bad thing But like we don't bad a lot.
• 1:27:16
  [SPEAKER_06]: I mean, but who you put in your money on what do you think about those odds?
• 1:27:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: I talked a lot of shit about the books on this show, but I still very much see them competing for and potentially winning the division.
• 1:27:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: I did a loot to it being at either 10 wins.
• 1:27:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think it's going to be another action.
• 1:27:28
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• 1:27:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: Right, that's what I'm saying.
• 1:27:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, with that being the standard, I do think it is really anybody's game.
• 1:27:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: I could see any of those top three teams between Carolina, New Orleans and Tampa, putting together enough to get into the postseason.
• 1:27:55
  [SPEAKER_06]: All right, so you're not out on the box, just yet.
• 1:27:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: No, I don't feel strongly about them getting much better.
• 1:28:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think they got much worse in many regards.
• 1:28:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: But if another team took a bigger step than they did, they could very well be a second place in FC South team.
• 1:28:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: And if other teams start making more leaps and bounds and the bucks do hear over the next 12 months, I think they ultimately are at a point where they will get left in the dust.
• 1:28:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: I fear that that is,
• 1:28:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: It adjustment period waiting to happen.
• 1:28:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: I said it at the beginning when I came in here.
• 1:28:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: The books have had a nice little run of relevancy here, but I feel like the clock is ticking.
• 1:28:31
  [SPEAKER_06]: All right, Rat, we take, we thank you for being so generous with your time tonight.
• 1:28:37
  [SPEAKER_06]: Go in through all the ins and outs from happy smiley day.
• 1:28:41
  [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, let's.
• 1:28:42
  [SPEAKER_06]: the Ted Lasso to the Todd Bowls experience in the Baker bottom experience.
• 1:28:46
  [SPEAKER_06]: Please tell us, tell the listeners of the C3 Panthers podcast how they can find your work and make sure we're going to tell them to go sub up and talk junk nicely and just tune in because a like, a subscribe is always good for anybody.
• 1:29:06
  [SPEAKER_06]: How can they find your podcast on the
• 1:29:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, absolutely.
• 1:29:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: Hey, thank you guys for having me on.
• 1:29:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: I had a ton of fun.
• 1:29:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: I know that there's not a lot to be excited about with Tampa Bay football, but I still love this team.
• 1:29:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm still always going to love talking about this team.
• 1:29:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: uh... you can find myself instagram and twitter at reticist or h-e-t-t-a-k-u-s if you follow me i will follow you back even if you're a panther's fan and uh... you can find our podcast at cannon fire podcasts on youtube and uh... any podcast platforms i know that a lot of your audiences is is really always looking for books content but we are we are actually is actually this is a good point moment for us at these times to find those things
• 1:29:51
  [SPEAKER_06]: beautiful.
• 1:29:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: Well, I appreciate you guys picking me this time around and I greatly appreciate talking with you tonight.
• 1:29:57
  [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, you've been great, Rhett.
• 1:29:59
  [SPEAKER_06]: Check out Rhett, Matthew at the Cannonfire podcast.
• 1:30:03
  [SPEAKER_06]: Go subscribe to that YouTube channel.
• 1:30:06
  [SPEAKER_06]: They're putting it out in audio and video.
• 1:30:09
  [SPEAKER_06]: Good content.
• 1:30:10
  [SPEAKER_06]: Thank you, Rhett.
• 1:30:10
  [SPEAKER_06]: You have a great night.
• 1:30:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: Thank you guys.
• 1:30:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: Have a good one.
• 1:30:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: Thanks, sir.
• 1:30:14
  [SPEAKER_06]: Brett Matthews from the cannon fodder podcast CK we are were and are making a great time on the podcast and I may see if I can change our view here.
• 1:30:31
  [SPEAKER_06]: The really the only thing that we had that we were missing will do this is we'll just go forward rather than backwards
• 1:30:41
  [SPEAKER_06]: Um, I saw this pop up, and I just thought, oh, I love the Panthers, I love making the play off.
• 1:30:55
  [SPEAKER_06]: The camera on the pan.
• 1:30:56
  [SPEAKER_03]: This is true though.
• 1:30:58
  [SPEAKER_06]: Well, I don't know if I don't like it.
• 1:31:00
  [SPEAKER_06]: I'd rather make history than not make history.
• 1:31:03
  [SPEAKER_06]: Well, actually, he probably should be careful with that.
• 1:31:07
  [SPEAKER_06]: Um, I saw this pop up.
• 1:31:11
  [SPEAKER_06]: absurd stat from NFM L football at ML football on X.
• 1:31:19
  [SPEAKER_06]: Absorbed stat they wrote the Carolina Panthers have made the playoffs twice with a losing record.
• 1:31:27
  [SPEAKER_06]: Uh, 2014 they went seven eight one lost their division.
• 1:31:30
  [SPEAKER_06]: Wow.
• 1:31:33
  [SPEAKER_06]: I love that one.
• 1:31:35
  [SPEAKER_06]: Oh, one their division.
• 1:31:36
  [SPEAKER_06]: Excuse me.
• 1:31:37
  [SPEAKER_06]: I thought I was like, there's no way.
• 1:31:39
  [SPEAKER_06]: One their division while in 2025, they went eight and nine to make the playoffs again.
• 1:31:47
  [SPEAKER_06]: We have won the division twice with a losing record.
• 1:31:53
  [SPEAKER_06]: Kind of stinks.
• 1:31:56
  [SPEAKER_06]: Like, you know, remember when we got in that debate, like, do you want to be in, do you want to back into the playoffs, do you want to go into the playoffs?
• 1:32:04
  [SPEAKER_06]: And I didn't want to back into the playoffs.
• 1:32:06
  [SPEAKER_06]: I wanted to win into the playoffs, but I was happy to be in the playoffs.
• 1:32:13
  [SPEAKER_06]: Yes.
• 1:32:14
  [SPEAKER_06]: Like, and that was, if I felt like we were playing semantics and splitting hairs with the fan base and fans, it's like, oh, you don't want to get in the playoffs.
• 1:32:24
  [SPEAKER_06]: I was like, no, I want to get in the playoffs.
• 1:32:26
  [SPEAKER_06]: I just want to win to get in the playoffs, like if I had a preferred way, but then the Carolina Panthers did go and put it on the Rams one play away.
• 1:32:37
  [SPEAKER_06]: So like you want to be there, but I also want to be invited by I don't want to be at a party and have a great time, I mean, I do like I'll go to a party have a great time and not be invited, but wouldn't it be better to be invited and be in a party, but the Carolina Panthers are the only team ever to make the playoffs multiple times with a losing record.
• 1:33:03
  [SPEAKER_06]: Um, I don't think there's really much.
• 1:33:07
  [SPEAKER_06]: We were, I was just bookmarking stuff that was flying across the, the, the feed over the last couple of days and I saw a couple of videos about our defense and a lot of, a celebration, a lot of celebration about.
• 1:33:25
  [SPEAKER_06]: If the Carolina Panthers, the only team that made the playoffs with losing record, J.C. Horn is only one of two players from 2021 and F- from the 2021 NFL draft.
• 1:33:38
  [SPEAKER_06]: Oh, now that I read this very closely, is a very select group.
• 1:33:42
  [SPEAKER_06]: to have recorded 10 career interceptions and to career sex.
• 1:33:50
  [SPEAKER_06]: Bynum is the other.
• 1:33:52
  [SPEAKER_06]: So is that a certain?
• 1:33:54
  [SPEAKER_06]: Is that a Jason certain shot?
• 1:33:59
  [SPEAKER_06]: Yes, Jason.
• 1:34:00
  [SPEAKER_06]: Who was Jason's or Dan?
• 1:34:01
  [SPEAKER_06]: Patrick's or Dan?
• 1:34:03
  [SPEAKER_06]: Is that a Patrick's or Dan shot fired?
• 1:34:07
  [SPEAKER_06]: Is that what this tweet is?
• 1:34:10
  [SPEAKER_06]: Um, as it says from the 2021 NFL draft, so it's not like all corners is not this.
• 1:34:20
  [SPEAKER_06]: It says specifically, warn is one of the only two players from the 2021 NFL draft.
• 1:34:28
  [SPEAKER_03]: Wouldn't be shots fired.
• 1:34:29
  [SPEAKER_03]: It would be probably including certain right.
• 1:34:33
  [SPEAKER_06]: I feel like it's a little shots fired at certain like if I was a Denver family.
• 1:34:39
  [SPEAKER_06]: Oh, what the fuck.
• 1:34:40
  [SPEAKER_06]: Why does it got to be like a certain's great.
• 1:34:44
  [SPEAKER_06]: Very limited.
• 1:34:45
  [SPEAKER_06]: I don't know.
• 1:34:46
  [SPEAKER_06]: I felt like.
• 1:34:48
  [SPEAKER_06]: So JC horn is good.
• 1:34:51
  [SPEAKER_06]: The internet is really hype on that.
• 1:34:55
  [SPEAKER_06]: Do you want to check this atom feeling?
• 1:34:59
  [SPEAKER_06]: thing out real quick.
• 1:35:01
  [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, let's do it.
• 1:35:02
  [SPEAKER_06]: We're going to take actually, you know what, let's do this.
• 1:35:07
  [SPEAKER_06]: How about this.
• 1:35:08
  [SPEAKER_06]: We don't have, let's take the calls real quick.
• 1:35:13
  [SPEAKER_06]: Now hook up.
• 1:35:16
  [SPEAKER_06]: I said, well, all right, um, how are we going to do this?
• 1:35:18
  [SPEAKER_06]: We're going to do the calls.
• 1:35:23
  [SPEAKER_06]: We're going to hook up a
• 1:35:28
  [SPEAKER_06]: See if this hooks up quick.
• 1:35:30
  [SPEAKER_06]: All right, let's see what we got in the cat calls.
• 1:35:37
  [SPEAKER_06]: Maybe look, we might check it and it's like, we got a billion, oh my God.
• 1:35:47
  [SPEAKER_06]: Did I remove you or did you remove yourself?
• 1:35:50
  [SPEAKER_06]: Oh, I didn't remove myself.
• 1:35:52
  [SPEAKER_06]: Okay.
• 1:35:53
  [SPEAKER_06]: Again, I'm trying to remove this.
• 1:35:55
  [SPEAKER_06]: Do this.
• 1:35:58
  [SPEAKER_06]: What's today's date?
• 1:36:01
  [SPEAKER_06]: Let's do this.
• 1:36:02
  [SPEAKER_06]: Let's go in the cat calls number two, five, two, two, eight, 50, 98, you know what, we might not even get to the Adam thing when it's not even that juicy.
• 1:36:14
  [SPEAKER_03]: So what do your thoughts on cat calling?
• 1:36:16
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that's pretty sh**t. They shouldn't do that to somebody.
• 1:36:17
  [SPEAKER_03]: And how did that make you feel?
• 1:36:19
  [SPEAKER_02]: Very uncomfortable.
• 1:36:20
  [SPEAKER_03]: No, how do you think cat calling makes the person feel?
• 1:36:23
  [SPEAKER_02]: It feels good, like, three and a quarter.
• 1:36:42
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'll talk about Dan's pressure video as a day real quick, and then we are probably going to go over it.
• 1:36:51
  [SPEAKER_02]: But real quick, honestly, a lot of deceptiveness.
• 1:36:57
  [SPEAKER_02]: or there's just what really wasn't anything that he gave away necessarily besides for the fact that it looks like they're going to go BPA and you know, you just talk about some position groups like he's like, I like our tight-end room, but you remember last years I had like a level of literacy room.
• 1:37:17
  [SPEAKER_02]: So I don't really know if I buy any of that.
• 1:37:21
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's definitely smoke screensy in or whatever they call it.
• 1:37:26
  [SPEAKER_02]: So I don't know, like I truly walked away from this just feeling like everything's on the table probably.
• 1:37:32
  [SPEAKER_02]: I feel like this can go a number of directions, whether that's why receiver offensive line, tight end.
• 1:37:46
  [SPEAKER_02]: Safety.
• 1:37:48
  [SPEAKER_02]: I don't really think we're going to go defensive line just yet probably like a year later.
• 1:37:53
  [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe, maybe later in this maybe even the later rounds you go defensive line.
• 1:38:00
  [SPEAKER_02]: The overall...
• 1:38:04
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, just a lot of, like it's really hard to pick what you're saying.
• 1:38:09
  [SPEAKER_02]: You're not really saying anything, conclusive or anything.
• 1:38:13
  [SPEAKER_02]: You just kind of, you know, GM speak.
• 1:38:16
  [SPEAKER_02]: But overall, I mean, if I had to guess right now, I would say it's looking a lot in my opinion towards probably an offensive player.
• 1:38:25
  [SPEAKER_02]: The reason I say that is,
• 1:38:32
  [SPEAKER_02]: A big, they need someone that can get yards out to the cats, they need, they need someone also that just takes the focus away from T-Mac and stops the defense from shifting their linebackers towards him, on pass it, on passing down, because that's why I don't know how any of you guys feel about city that can take from Oregon, but I just feel like it can be a good selection because our tight ends don't scare anyone, like no one, the
• 1:39:02
  [SPEAKER_02]: The defense for me, it's like nickel corner and safety, or maybe in another linebacker, biggest needs.
• 1:39:11
  [SPEAKER_02]: But, you know, nickel corner, Corey Ford, was hurt the whole year last year.
• 1:39:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: So, he never got a chance to show if he could be the corner back three.
• 1:39:19
  [SPEAKER_02]: Nathan ran some still there.
• 1:39:20
  [SPEAKER_02]: You saw that morgue.
• 1:39:21
  [SPEAKER_02]: Another linebacker I think is going to be taken, but probably not at 19.
• 1:39:26
  [SPEAKER_02]: So, I don't know.
• 1:39:27
  [SPEAKER_02]: Give me your thoughts.
• 1:39:29
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm definitely leaning
• 1:39:31
  [SPEAKER_06]: for the take right now with a week to go.
• 1:39:34
  [SPEAKER_06]: What I'm laying towards is offensive wine is it doesn't feel sexy at the moment.
• 1:39:40
  [SPEAKER_06]: It makes your team better.
• 1:39:41
  [SPEAKER_06]: It makes those players play better down the road while we get caught up in the tight end discussion.
• 1:39:49
  [SPEAKER_06]: Evan Mitchell was very good.
• 1:39:54
  [SPEAKER_06]: Very good.
• 1:39:54
  [SPEAKER_06]: He was like four types.
• 1:39:56
  [SPEAKER_06]: It made me was a touchdown machine early in the season.
• 1:40:01
  [SPEAKER_06]: that the Panthers
• 1:40:04
  [SPEAKER_06]: should only think about the offense being elevated by just adding someone who can do something because if you're under fire, who cares what they can do, CKI like the idea of weapons offensively, but what are those weapons downfield if you're getting pummeled as a quarterback?
• 1:40:33
  [SPEAKER_03]: That, I mean, we've, we've actually been at the, you know, the center of this debate multiple times and we know in just out of our own experience, how important the offensive line is to a quarterback, it doesn't matter how well you build an offense, but at that offensive line is letting people through.
• 1:40:59
  [SPEAKER_03]: dude, it's not that there's nothing you can do as a quarterback.
• 1:41:03
  [SPEAKER_06]: I mean, how many, you need three seconds to throw the ball down the field.
• 1:41:06
  [SPEAKER_06]: You get in tackle and who cares, yeah, deep ball going to make it down there.
• 1:41:11
  [SPEAKER_06]: I think it could be I look is if you are thinking smoke.
• 1:41:18
  [SPEAKER_06]: Right, is, oh, man, we're willing.
• 1:41:20
  [SPEAKER_06]: We want these people.
• 1:41:21
  [SPEAKER_06]: I'll draft another, why receiver is like, maybe he's hoping an offensive lineman falls.
• 1:41:28
  [SPEAKER_06]: Maybe, I don't know.
• 1:41:29
  [SPEAKER_06]: I just feel like it's safe.
• 1:41:31
  [SPEAKER_06]: I feel like you should take a defensive lineman and an offensive lineman in the top two rounds every, three, you know what I'm saying?
• 1:41:42
  [SPEAKER_06]: Like consistently or like in early on, let's go to the hope dealer and see what he's going to say.
• 1:41:48
  [SPEAKER_08]: C. K. Tony Donn, the sweet, sweet region, whatever body best to hope that let's check a real quick on a Tuesday evening, happy Tuesday, happy Tuesday.
• 1:42:00
  [SPEAKER_08]: Well, the draft is upon us, and at these here soon, we got two weeks out and I'm getting excited.
• 1:42:09
  [SPEAKER_08]: You know, I've been looking at some of the prospects and I'm on two weeks.
• 1:42:13
  [SPEAKER_08]: happy with whatever been more than puts together, but I do got to throw something out there.
• 1:42:18
  [SPEAKER_08]: I wish Cody Lack was on them because there's a direct prospect that I'm becoming more more interested in y'all, and that's Blake Miller out of Clemson, an offensive tackle.
• 1:42:31
  [SPEAKER_08]: Hear me out, I think it makes a lot of sense.
• 1:42:34
  [SPEAKER_08]: I didn't realize this guy had started 54 games,
• 1:42:38
  [SPEAKER_08]: I mean, he's old school when it comes to pancake block and down there and clips and then we've never drafted clips and clips and player, I get all that.
• 1:42:50
  [SPEAKER_08]: But I also didn't realize that he's also a long snapper, which as you all know, I love Jay Jay Johnson.
• 1:42:57
  [SPEAKER_08]: Jay Jay Johnson is my dude and as long as he's here, I want him to be a long snapper.
• 1:43:08
  [SPEAKER_08]: to have a blatant note that can start an offensive tackle as well as feel, you know, slide right into that long snapper slide.
• 1:43:16
  [SPEAKER_08]: Fifty-four days of experience, that's a lot of experience, you know, at a high level at Clinton.
• 1:43:21
  [SPEAKER_08]: And so that's my thoughts, man, give me all thoughts on that as well as other draft prospects.
• 1:43:27
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• 1:43:46
  [SPEAKER_08]: But yeah, I wanted to call back in though, y'all, um, non-forbal related, you know, I had a rough day at work that day.
• 1:43:55
  [SPEAKER_08]: And, um, I went through a period and then I was actually missing my dad and my dad passed away a few years ago.
• 1:44:02
  [SPEAKER_08]: And, um, this is amazing how things like a song, or something like that,
• 1:44:16
  [SPEAKER_08]: and C.K., you know, Greg, what he's been through and, and by the way, shout out to Greg, man, I heard y'all talk about his engagement last week, that's huge, but I just wanted to encourage us all, man, you know, if you're going through some things, man, take care of your mental health, I'm so grateful for this community, for doing this year around, you know, I look forward to joining these calls on Tuesday nights when I can't, man, and
• 1:44:46
  [SPEAKER_08]: can't regularly join, but can't time it in time the time, you know, for a person like me, man, that goes through some challenges from time to time.
• 1:44:55
  [SPEAKER_08]: I'm really grateful for this community.
• 1:44:58
  [SPEAKER_08]: It's become a refuge of sort for me.
• 1:45:01
  [SPEAKER_08]: So, you know, man, shout out to John B. Jenkins, man, but I'll turn it off football, up dates, and Harvey Lauren Bennett.
• 1:45:07
  [SPEAKER_08]: The whole crew, man, I just, I won't tell him how much I really genuinely just appreciate, you know,
• 1:45:16
  [SPEAKER_08]: But anybody, all this, the hope, and everybody at this, they hope for, keep paying them.
• 1:45:21
  [SPEAKER_08]: Okay.
• 1:45:23
  [SPEAKER_06]: I got a goosebumps hearing that because I remember, I remember those calls, like why I cannot articulate the exact details.
• 1:45:31
  [SPEAKER_06]: of every, unlike I remember, I know that we've been together through a lot of different things from things that have happened with multiple family members or fathers or sons or this, you know, and that means the most to me, that's why he is the hope dealer.
• 1:45:58
  [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, we're talking football.
• 1:46:00
  [SPEAKER_06]: We're like grinding in a sense.
• 1:46:04
  [SPEAKER_06]: And I'm not grinding like this is like this is a refuge.
• 1:46:10
  [SPEAKER_06]: Um, it is work like I had a prepare.
• 1:46:13
  [SPEAKER_06]: I got to set it up.
• 1:46:14
  [SPEAKER_06]: I got to drop light.
• 1:46:15
  [SPEAKER_06]: But it's not because it really is a blessing to have y'all in my life.
• 1:46:22
  [SPEAKER_06]: And, um, hope dealer, I mean that it particularly, particularly to you, like it really makes made a giant impact
• 1:46:38
  [SPEAKER_06]: And it's not like, is like, if there's a weak that you can't call in as nobody's in there's no, but it just means we recognize how much of a friend you are to us in this experience, let's go to the guy that he referenced and John B Jenkins get ready folks.
• 1:47:01
  [SPEAKER_06]: It's all turning football time.
• 1:47:03
  [SPEAKER_06]: I bet my press play.
• 1:47:08
  [SPEAKER_09]: Hey guys, this is Johnny Jankin's calling in with your weekly alternative football league update.
• 1:47:14
  [SPEAKER_09]: It's very exciting week.
• 1:47:16
  [SPEAKER_09]: There were five league plans.
• 1:47:18
  [SPEAKER_09]: There were little tidbits on each one of the leagues I've got here for now.
• 1:47:23
  [SPEAKER_09]: Start off in the NAL, the National Arena League, my UPS driving brother called me up and said, hey, you follow the National Arena League, right?
• 1:47:32
  [SPEAKER_09]: Well, our teamsters president, suited up.
• 1:47:35
  [SPEAKER_09]: and play the snap for the current Colorado Spartans, which is the same very teams at Paxton Lynch plays for it.
• 1:47:44
  [SPEAKER_09]: So, there's your NAM news, in the ISO, our very own JJ J. J. J. J. J. J. J. J. J. J. J. J. J. J. J. J. J. J. J. J. J. J. J. J. J. J. J. J. J. J. J. J. J. J. J. J. J. J. J. J. J. J. J. J. J. J. J. J. J. J. J. J. J. J. J. J. J. J. J. J. J. J. J. J. J. J. J. J. J. J. J. J. J. J. J. J. J. J. J. J. J. J. J. J. J. J. J. J.
• 1:47:59
  [SPEAKER_09]: And it's got two more games over the next two weeks.
• 1:48:02
  [SPEAKER_09]: I believe it's the next two weeks.
• 1:48:03
  [SPEAKER_09]: He'll be covering the Mexican Supercombras at the Vegas Night Hogs, and then the Mexican Supercombras at the Jacksonville Vergoer.
• 1:48:13
  [SPEAKER_09]: So they're sticking in the three teams, so we can get familiar with those.
• 1:48:16
  [SPEAKER_09]: But if you want to watch JJ J. Johnson, just look for the God who sports coverage.
• 1:48:22
  [SPEAKER_09]: of the games on the weekends, they'll be on one of those games over the next three weekends.
• 1:48:29
  [SPEAKER_09]: The LFA, LaLiga did a football-americanal procession off-play this weekend.
• 1:48:33
  [SPEAKER_09]: It kicked off in our Monterey Osos, the Osos-State Monterey, the team that is owned by Ryan Khalil and Blake Griffin, were victorious over the Dino, or the Dino's.
• 1:48:45
  [SPEAKER_09]: I believe it was night.
• 1:48:46
  [SPEAKER_09]: We're talking for the night team.
• 1:48:48
  [SPEAKER_09]: So, Ronald Osso's, the AF1, a real football one kicked off this weekend, and a lot of their games are on YouTube, and they've got this new streaming platform that's helping out with the video coverage called Home Count Network, but you can watch all those games on YouTube.
• 1:49:06
  [SPEAKER_09]: They were awesome, man.
• 1:49:07
  [SPEAKER_09]: They were good.
• 1:49:09
  [SPEAKER_09]: video quality.
• 1:49:10
  [SPEAKER_09]: You can watch the highlights on YouTube.
• 1:49:13
  [SPEAKER_09]: Go check that out.
• 1:49:14
  [SPEAKER_09]: And then I want to round this up with the UFL, which was another exciting week in week three.
• 1:49:19
  [SPEAKER_09]: The notes are on this truly a pack of our two little brother who played it in Maryland.
• 1:49:25
  [SPEAKER_09]: two to go for the Houston gamblers and got lucked by the DC defenders 45 to seven.
• 1:49:32
  [SPEAKER_09]: I think it was the biggest deficit in UFL history.
• 1:49:37
  [SPEAKER_09]: Ted gives you here got arrested for DUI.
• 1:49:41
  [SPEAKER_09]: So he could not be the coach or he wasn't available to be coach of this week and here about this.
• 1:49:47
  [SPEAKER_09]: I think he'll be fine.
• 1:49:49
  [SPEAKER_09]: I mean how many of us have gone out?
• 1:49:51
  [SPEAKER_09]: above the legal in any way, and avoid it to cops.
• 1:49:54
  [SPEAKER_09]: So, you know, keep trying to again, we've got your back.
• 1:49:58
  [SPEAKER_09]: But the game of the week, I'm getting cut off.
• 1:50:02
  [SPEAKER_09]: Anyway, if you're still here, we are.
• 1:50:09
  [SPEAKER_06]: We need to hear about it.
• 1:50:10
  [SPEAKER_06]: Holy cow, lots of breaking news for me.
• 1:50:14
  [SPEAKER_06]: Maybe not breaking news for the world.
• 1:50:17
  [SPEAKER_06]: John Beast calls, always rockin' for me.
• 1:50:20
  [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, I'm sorry for the double call.
• 1:50:22
  [SPEAKER_09]: I know not too many people really enjoy these alcohols, but I love getting with you, so I am calling that.
• 1:50:30
  [SPEAKER_09]: And I wanna tell you about the game of the week and the U.S. Elder's past weekend.
• 1:50:34
  [SPEAKER_09]: It was the Berlin-History in Broadway, not for Rale, uh, touched by A.J.
• 1:50:40
  [SPEAKER_09]: Lutheran, going back to the St. Louis battle room and facing the St. Louis battlehawk to her now covered or touched by Ricky Full.
• 1:50:50
  [SPEAKER_09]: Um, the style of the spike corals, interceptions will up and we're up.
• 1:50:57
  [SPEAKER_09]: I think pretty heavily, um, the battlehots struggle.
• 1:51:02
  [SPEAKER_09]: Great.
• 1:51:02
  [SPEAKER_09]: So there's a long time spring QV Hero.
• 1:51:05
  [SPEAKER_09]: I think it's time to hang up the cleats.
• 1:51:08
  [SPEAKER_09]: Harrison Frost came in in reserve or elite duty.
• 1:51:13
  [SPEAKER_09]: Started off, I throw out a pickstakes, and then his very next play was an interception.
• 1:51:18
  [SPEAKER_09]: So I don't know why they didn't put the third string quarterback in, but the dude went on fire in the third period and scored three touchdowns.
• 1:51:28
  [SPEAKER_09]: Leading the battle hawks are come from behind victory
• 1:51:35
  [SPEAKER_09]: And with also a really weird ending of a game in the U.S.
• 1:51:39
  [SPEAKER_09]: I was the first game against the, it was the Louisville team.
• 1:51:44
  [SPEAKER_09]: And oh dear God, with the doubts and all these things mixed up.
• 1:51:49
  [SPEAKER_09]: But the overtime is what I'm remembering.
• 1:51:51
  [SPEAKER_09]: It was a very weird ending to that game.
• 1:51:53
  [SPEAKER_09]: But anyway, that is your why we won't use alternative football league updates for this week.
• 1:51:59
  [SPEAKER_09]: Next week, we got Panther Talk starting again, and you're a draft.
• 1:52:05
  [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.
• 1:52:05
  [SPEAKER_09]: Alright, that's all I got for right now guys, thanks for listening, I'm already called, this has been John BG and he's following everything, don't push, he's probably going to see three places, but yeah, love you guys, love you guys, love John B. Jenkins, not only is a friend but love these alternative football updates and the offseason, it really is, don't let in.
• 1:52:27
  [SPEAKER_06]: Um, there's an old saying don't let the bastards get you down, which nobody's in here talking jump, but like this is the time that there's a reason they put alternative football or right now and John B said he was hanging out in his, um, workshop, I think he used the words.
• 1:52:49
  [SPEAKER_06]: And I gotta do a shameless plug real quick.
• 1:52:54
  [SPEAKER_06]: CK is I have in the past for a long time worked on restoring furniture up, up storing, I guess.
• 1:53:05
  [SPEAKER_06]: And, you know, like with the transitions and locations and different things, it took a long time for that passion and that love to be able to continue back
• 1:53:17
  [SPEAKER_06]: But when he was talking about being in the workshop, I'm in the workshop a lot these days.
• 1:53:23
  [SPEAKER_06]: I'm gonna share a link in the chat.
• 1:53:24
  [SPEAKER_06]: It's a two heritage design company, which is the Ben Startner's my furniture restoration business.
• 1:53:35
  [SPEAKER_06]: Now, I treat it like a business because I want to do furniture, I do this professionally and like the highest quality that I can possibly do, so I take it seriously, but I understand that like there's a people that are listening and probably not my area and different things, but look is if if you're interested and
• 1:53:59
  [SPEAKER_06]: Not purchasing, like I'm not trying to sell anything furniture restoration that process of somebody do it in a small man barn shed like I am doing.
• 1:54:12
  [SPEAKER_06]: I've done it for over 10 years now, but like really get my setup back a little bit.
• 1:54:19
  [SPEAKER_06]: getting into it.
• 1:54:20
  [SPEAKER_06]: Just give us a follow on that Facebook page.
• 1:54:24
  [SPEAKER_06]: Not a big deal.
• 1:54:25
  [SPEAKER_06]: I'm not going to push it a lot.
• 1:54:28
  [SPEAKER_06]: Trying to, you know, seek out like a teaching education for my real career.
• 1:54:34
  [SPEAKER_06]: And, um,
• 1:54:37
  [SPEAKER_06]: Not only is like, I'm gonna be able to retire in 13 years, so I'm trying to think about, like, how can I build something for post retirement?
• 1:54:46
  [SPEAKER_06]: That's one thing.
• 1:54:48
  [SPEAKER_06]: But also there's a disruption in the educational field too, so much as like, man, we might need to be ready in case something happens.
• 1:54:56
  [SPEAKER_06]: So I've been, um, really leaning into this.
• 1:55:00
  [SPEAKER_06]: So if you guys are interested in that, uh, just give it a look and give it a follow.
• 1:55:05
  [SPEAKER_06]: Those are the calls that believe.
• 1:55:08
  [SPEAKER_06]: Those are all the calls for tonight.
• 1:55:10
  [SPEAKER_06]: So we'll take care of, if you wanted to hear that Adam Thielan thing, you can go check it out on something Ross Tucker.
• 1:55:18
  [SPEAKER_06]: And all Adam Thielan said this is like the gist of that video was a difficult situation coming in, but he talked about his personality
• 1:55:33
  [SPEAKER_06]: He didn't say introverted, right, but like, I mean, he's with big ass men.
• 1:55:41
  [SPEAKER_06]: He didn't put it that way, but he talked about him but coming a more vocal leader and leading into what has to be for that leadership role.
• 1:55:55
  [SPEAKER_06]: And not he was not throwing him under the bus that he was not doing those things.
• 1:56:00
  [SPEAKER_06]: But he just said he was, he is seeing continued signs of Bryce Young's maturation.
• 1:56:11
  [SPEAKER_06]: Who's the safety that everybody hates?
• 1:56:14
  [SPEAKER_06]: Nick Scott.
• 1:56:16
  [SPEAKER_06]: Nick Scott.
• 1:56:16
  [SPEAKER_06]: Yep.
• 1:56:17
  [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
• 1:56:18
  [SPEAKER_03]: He's a hate thing.
• 1:56:19
  [SPEAKER_06]: He's not that bad.
• 1:56:22
  [SPEAKER_06]: I feel like it fans like to find a person.
• 1:56:25
  [SPEAKER_03]: There's a villain in every season.
• 1:56:27
  [SPEAKER_06]: Right.
• 1:56:28
  [SPEAKER_06]: And he really has not been
• 1:56:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's similar to Xavier Woods and Xavier Woods, yeah, I think that those are very similar players as far as the contribute, but they're not.
• 1:56:44
  [SPEAKER_06]: They're not like needle movers on the team and when they make them a big it's pretty can be pretty impactful well well they have a moment where there is a mistake like every player but there are players that when they must make mistakes you just excuse excuse and there are players that then because you excused and excused on those players you have to
• 1:57:09
  [SPEAKER_06]: to hurt, pull the valve, let some pressure out, and Nick Scott is one of those, but he did host a golf event for underserved.
• 1:57:22
  [SPEAKER_06]: I think this is wonderful.
• 1:57:24
  [SPEAKER_06]: And I think I just think Nick Scott is too easy.
• 1:57:29
  [SPEAKER_06]: Like anytime, it's just like too easy to talk junk about.
• 1:57:33
  [SPEAKER_06]: Like when people get on the internet and like off my team, off this, it's
• 1:57:39
  [SPEAKER_06]: I feel like it is more about them than the player, but I won't disagree.
• 1:57:47
  [SPEAKER_03]: But he had some, you know, he was he had a little charity event where he was talking about, you know, you know, it was a little bit of a golf charity event.
• 1:58:00
  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know if you were referring to this Tony.
• 1:58:02
  [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, that's what I was bringing up.
• 1:58:05
  [SPEAKER_03]: Well, this weekend was the master's as past weekend, and I wrote one back to his back to back masters, and he was asked about the clutches, you know, his clutch gene to chill up when it matters most.
• 1:58:22
  [SPEAKER_03]: And he said he's taken a bright shun any day of the week.
• 1:58:25
  [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, basically what he's doing is because he's doing a very important thing.
• 1:58:31
  [SPEAKER_06]: He deserves this.
• 1:58:34
  [SPEAKER_06]: That's just talked about it here is tell me if.
• 1:58:38
  [SPEAKER_06]: Sit down, press and play now.
• 1:58:39
  [SPEAKER_06]: If the audio ain't hitting, you better let me know.
• 1:58:43
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I hear it.
• 1:58:44
  [SPEAKER_04]: I'm all with more of my Georgia fund.
• 1:58:46
  [SPEAKER_04]: Just take a trip down to their hometown.
• 1:58:50
  [SPEAKER_04]: It's Jacksonville, Florida.
• 1:59:01
  [SPEAKER_04]: game for kids and underserved communities to have access or equipment that we paper equipment less than the thing like that just because this is such a wonderful game.
• 1:59:10
  [SPEAKER_04]: It teaches you so much about life in yourself and we think everybody should have that experience to be able to do that they want to.
• 1:59:18
  [SPEAKER_06]: So we've been working with that
• 1:59:32
  [SPEAKER_06]: Well, it doesn't mean it doesn't welcome people in.
• 1:59:39
  [SPEAKER_06]: But if we're not in serious injury, it's not can do so to people that don't have a history of people that have played it.
• 1:59:49
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like their father played it or their father, they, you know, they, they, yeah, I mean, you have to have.
• 1:59:56
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• 2:00:22
  [SPEAKER_03]: the golf thing for a little while now and there's just something rewarding about the you changing something and seeing it immediately impact how well you're playing a game that's is difficult.
• 2:00:38
  [SPEAKER_03]: as golf can be.
• 2:00:41
  [SPEAKER_03]: So, you know, there's, there's a lot of these, you know, things that are meant to allow people to get into into that game and it sounds like Nick Scott's got a nice little charity that might be worth looking into if anybody's interested in supporting that organization like that.
• 2:00:56
  [SPEAKER_06]: All right, the draft is next Thursday, nine days away.
• 2:01:00
  [SPEAKER_06]: We'll be here with the C3 Panthers Live Draft Party.
• 2:01:04
  [SPEAKER_06]: Cody Lack, right?
• 2:01:06
  [SPEAKER_06]: Oh, not Tuesday.
• 2:01:08
  [SPEAKER_06]: Thursday?
• 2:01:09
  [SPEAKER_06]: Check it out.
• 2:01:11
  [SPEAKER_06]: One final segment to hit up.
• 2:01:13
  [SPEAKER_06]: It's where we tell, it's the longest run in segment.
• 2:01:16
  [SPEAKER_06]: On the longest run in Panthers podcast, it's where we tell someone to ice up tough enough to get it together.
• 2:01:28
  [SPEAKER_06]: It's our homage, our homage to Steve Smith where we tell someone that I stepped up to get it together.
• 2:01:37
  [SPEAKER_06]: Everyone is in fair game, family, friends or ourselves politics.
• 2:01:43
  [SPEAKER_06]: This is one time we allow, I won't say allow.
• 2:01:45
  [SPEAKER_06]: We can do it ever the hell we want on our own podcast.
• 2:01:48
  [SPEAKER_06]: If we want to talk about what we want to talk about, we will.
• 2:01:51
  [SPEAKER_06]: But we try to stay fan-focused football throughout
• 2:01:58
  [SPEAKER_06]: But don't worry, we will ice up our team, other teams.
• 2:02:02
  [SPEAKER_06]: Man, Cali blue in the comments was basically icing up our guess hat.
• 2:02:06
  [SPEAKER_06]: I didn't think it was that bad.
• 2:02:08
  [SPEAKER_06]: But.
• 2:02:10
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it was a, it was a, a, a few other things.
• 2:02:14
  [SPEAKER_06]: And he was like, we can, it's football.
• 2:02:18
  [SPEAKER_06]: It's out of football, whatever you want, actually, not whatever you want, whatever we want to talk about.
• 2:02:25
  [SPEAKER_06]: And my, I said, pick this week's scene game is very, very simple.
• 2:02:30
  [SPEAKER_06]: I bought a new couch after,
• 2:02:36
  [SPEAKER_06]: Oh, I mean, this cow, I had a counts out of love history with.
• 2:02:40
  [SPEAKER_06]: I mean, it was almost 20 year old couch, eight foot, loved the functionality.
• 2:02:52
  [SPEAKER_06]: I had a more than attachment to this couch than probably should have.
• 2:02:58
  [SPEAKER_06]: Not that it was bad.
• 2:02:59
  [SPEAKER_06]: It was a good, it was decent shape, none of this, but I was just like, man,
• 2:03:03
  [SPEAKER_06]: but I finally made the call as like change.
• 2:03:08
  [SPEAKER_06]: Time to change it.
• 2:03:10
  [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
• 2:03:10
  [SPEAKER_06]: So I went into a new couch of very, very nice couch.
• 2:03:17
  [SPEAKER_06]: But then I was getting rid of this.
• 2:03:20
  [SPEAKER_06]: The couch that I had before was what I loved about it was an eight foot couch.
• 2:03:24
  [SPEAKER_06]: So you could lay down on it and someone could sit.
• 2:03:29
  [SPEAKER_06]: at the other end, and you're not like feet on top of each other, right?
• 2:03:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 2:03:34
  [SPEAKER_06]: Like you pull the back pillow as like a single bed, it was very, it was, so I had my brother and long come over and move my new couch in, which is far smaller, very nice though.
• 2:03:48
  [SPEAKER_06]: Very happy with that couch.
• 2:03:51
  [SPEAKER_06]: uh... art and i don't know i'm pretty sure i'm sure a lot of cities have done this they used to pick up stuff from the street every two day right where once a month the first two day of the month now you have to schedule it
• 2:04:07
  [SPEAKER_06]: Right.
• 2:04:09
  [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, like in my in my city you have to like like basically schedule that like say we have something on this side of the street that we pay taxes for that you should come pick up and they'll come pick it up.
• 2:04:22
  [SPEAKER_06]: So you have a schedule.
• 2:04:23
  [SPEAKER_06]: So the plan is schedule
• 2:04:28
  [SPEAKER_06]: I would happily take it to the dump, but like I got to have an extra person with me and I had to pull the trailer.
• 2:04:36
  [SPEAKER_06]: So I was like, all right, I'm going to put it on the street.
• 2:04:40
  [SPEAKER_06]: I'm going to schedule the appointment from pickup.
• 2:04:44
  [SPEAKER_06]: But it's this couch is in decent shape, right?
• 2:04:48
  [SPEAKER_06]: So I just put it up on Facebook marketplace and I put free.
• 2:04:53
  [SPEAKER_06]: I mean, like if you want it,
• 2:04:58
  [SPEAKER_06]: No problem, right?
• 2:05:00
  [SPEAKER_06]: Worst case scenario, I have to schedule appointment for my taxes to be, um, not optimize validated or whatever it means.
• 2:05:15
  [SPEAKER_06]: Anyway, so I put this up and I don't even know where it went wrong.
• 2:05:21
  [SPEAKER_06]: I have one person say, oh, I'll come get it.
• 2:05:25
  [SPEAKER_06]: I was like, well, come get it.
• 2:05:27
  [SPEAKER_06]: No problem.
• 2:05:28
  [SPEAKER_06]: I don't even think it was them.
• 2:05:30
  [SPEAKER_06]: So I come home the next day.
• 2:05:32
  [SPEAKER_06]: I mean, we're talking 10 hours from I put it on the street.
• 2:05:36
  [SPEAKER_06]: Somebody did come by, but they just took the bottom cushions.
• 2:05:41
  [SPEAKER_06]: Like why?
• 2:05:43
  [SPEAKER_06]: So now I can't even give it to someone.
• 2:05:48
  [SPEAKER_06]: They just took these big, the big cushions off the bottom.
• 2:05:52
  [SPEAKER_06]: And I want to know, are they turning them into dog beds?
• 2:05:55
  [SPEAKER_06]: Are they pulling the stuff in out?
• 2:05:56
  [SPEAKER_06]: Like what the hell?
• 2:05:58
  [SPEAKER_06]: Why would you just take the bottom cushions?
• 2:06:01
  [SPEAKER_06]: Which is fun and one way.
• 2:06:03
  [SPEAKER_06]: But now I can't give it to somebody for free.
• 2:06:09
  [SPEAKER_06]: at all because it's missing the bottom cushions.
• 2:06:11
  [SPEAKER_06]: Why would you come and take it certain now next time I listen on for anything for free is in entirety.
• 2:06:20
  [SPEAKER_06]: If you take partial of it, you're stealing.
• 2:06:25
  [SPEAKER_06]: Oh, something very valuable off of a very less like of a thing that didn't have a lot of value.
• 2:06:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's all, they made something that had not a lot of value have value less to you at that point time.
• 2:06:41
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you know, I'll double on that.
• 2:06:44
  [SPEAKER_03]: I said, it's not even just that anything Facebook market plays to the amount of people that will message is this available.
• 2:06:52
  [SPEAKER_03]: And then you respond
• 2:06:55
  [SPEAKER_03]: for you, is so unreal, the amount of times that's happened to me already, with just trying to sell a few things.
• 2:07:06
  [SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, I'm icing up the people on Facebook marketplace that do not respond, but, you know, we'll show interest in something, but then just follow the face of the earth.
• 2:07:18
  [SPEAKER_06]: What you better to tell me now is you're going to say well partially Facebook is a problem because they promote that are you interested button yeah and like they should just make it more of a conversation this and that but tough tough work out there yeah and I bought a lot of cool things of a Facebook marketplace too.
• 2:07:43
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I mean, I think there's you can get some good deals on it and you know, I've certainly given people good deals on Facebook Marketplace and I'm just trying to get stuff out of my base man or something like that.
• 2:07:54
  [SPEAKER_03]: It is, it's just ridiculous, the amount of, I love the people who create content around the funniest, like moments of, of Facebook marketplace conversations or something like that because some of these people are absolutely insane.
• 2:08:12
  [SPEAKER_06]: There is a scam roll in a round Facebook marketplace where they like, I would like to.
• 2:08:19
  [SPEAKER_06]: And I don't know the ins and outs of a CK, but they like to say this is, um, I want this right now, um, and then you go, okay, we'll come get it and then they go, well, I can only play, pay Xel or Vemba.
• 2:08:36
  [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, and if you say cash only they're like nope, but then they always say my brother or cousin's coming to pick it up There is something is something fishy about it.
• 2:08:45
  [SPEAKER_06]: I know what they're trying to do with my thoughts are is they're trying they An they go market sold or market pendant.
• 2:08:53
  [SPEAKER_06]: I think what they're trying to do is stingy the money and Then refute the transaction
• 2:08:59
  [SPEAKER_03]: and then ask you or they're what they're going to do with could happen is they send you like $2,000 when it's supposed to be $200.
• 2:09:08
  [SPEAKER_03]: And then say, Oh, no, I sent you, I need that money back.
• 2:09:11
  [SPEAKER_03]: Can you send that money back to me?
• 2:09:12
  [SPEAKER_03]: And you send them $1800 back.
• 2:09:15
  [SPEAKER_03]: And then that $2,000 just gets for negating it.
• 2:09:18
  [SPEAKER_03]: And yeah, if somebody, $1800, I get a ping.
• 2:09:20
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that's 100% a scam that I've run into as well.
• 2:09:27
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, be careful on Facebook Marketplace or any Marketplace where you're, you know, there's money involved and it's nobody negotiating with this is the other big tail.
• 2:09:36
  [SPEAKER_06]: See, okay.
• 2:09:37
  [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, if you ask a hundred bucks for something and somebody says, oh, I'll get it right now.
• 2:09:43
  [SPEAKER_06]: I'm already like
• 2:09:45
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  [SPEAKER_03]: Number one, I encourage every person if you're going to be doing a meet-up with people to have it be at a safe exchange at a police department or something like that first and foremost.
• 2:10:22
  [SPEAKER_03]: And then the second thing I always recommend is if you get that feeling like Tony said cash is king.
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  [SPEAKER_06]: to be true if you're not negotiating on nice but fuck that as you go to a yard sale and you pay over price for that I'm I might your money is fake.
• 2:10:43
  [SPEAKER_06]: I don't even trust the cash then take care.
• 2:10:45
  [SPEAKER_06]: What's your ice up?
• 2:10:46
  [SPEAKER_03]: My ice up pick is going back into politics once again sort of not not not a hundred percent You know, is it traveled Jesus is it's not just a dude he's a doctor that's what he told a dude Can we all agree be said that dude that is the most the the fact that that's his answer is just unbelievable But the thing that's like the worst part
• 2:11:12
  [SPEAKER_03]: about it is when he was making that his answer.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: He was like only the fake news can come up with something so ridiculous and I'm just like, dude, it wasn't the fake news that did this.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: This was literally the post you made.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: Like, like, it was, that was a quick way.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: Where did he say it was a doctor about that?
• 2:11:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: Dude, and it's there is no question in my mind that that is a 100% intentional lie That bugs me beyond belief and I just lie of lies, but that doesn't mean you're right.
• 2:11:51
  [SPEAKER_06]: There is no.
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• 2:11:57
  [SPEAKER_06]: I don't even, I'm when I saw it.
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  [SPEAKER_06]: I somebody posted it, so you can't.
• 2:12:01
  [SPEAKER_06]: And they were like, in that posted, but I'm like, you know, you're looking through whatever feed that you look.
• 2:12:07
  [SPEAKER_06]: But I scroll through.
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  [SPEAKER_06]: I don't click on these things, but it was like, Trump pose as G, and I said, I'm not clicking this.
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  [SPEAKER_06]: I'm not clicking it up because I don't believe it.
• 2:12:19
  [SPEAKER_06]: I was like, I don't want my life, my time, my energy invested into this.
• 2:12:26
  [SPEAKER_06]: And I looked at it from a distance, but then when I saw that he was like, I'm a doc.
• 2:12:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: I was like stooped or we're doing maybe I was so stooped.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: You're at that is the best way to describe it.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: It's just plain stooped, dude.
• 2:12:45
  [SPEAKER_03]: Oh man, he's so good.
• 2:12:47
  [SPEAKER_06]: Some of red cross dark.
• 2:12:50
  [SPEAKER_06]: or we're caught people with another woman and you're just like now I wasn't you to me you tell them hold on to that line then my advice to Donald Trump is do not that's very good at too is like just hold it to the end I'm just gonna stick with it
• 2:13:11
  [SPEAKER_03]: Well, the thing is, I think he had the ability to say, all this was a staffer or something like that.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: So, I mean, you know, I think it was, yeah, right, right.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: But I mean, hey, what's Claude, what can Claude do this?
• 2:13:25
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's such a wild thing.
• 2:13:26
  [SPEAKER_03]: But anyway, I'm icing up that because that's just,
• 2:13:28
  [SPEAKER_03]: especially given that in a week shortly after he had said praise be to Allah, even if he was doing it in a mocking way, like incredibly, I don't know, just
• 2:13:43
  [SPEAKER_03]: own death and the the dude is losing some steam for a lot of people and all other places and yeah it's just it's a problem and I I can't I can't good faith continue to
• 2:13:59
  [SPEAKER_03]: feel like, I mean, while I'm a positive person about a lot of the things that have taken place, because I do lean a little more right for those interested who want to paint C3 as a, you know, right, right, we can prop again to machine work.
• 2:14:17
  [SPEAKER_03]: But, you know, you're losing a lot of support,
• 2:14:25
  [SPEAKER_03]: campaign of going after the right ring white right wing podcast or isn't you hear this not listen to
• 2:14:39
  [SPEAKER_06]: I have to send this to you.
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  [SPEAKER_06]: This is the wildest thing.
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  [SPEAKER_06]: C. K. You have to watch it.
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  [SPEAKER_06]: It is black the comedians coming, but it's black Trump.
• 2:14:53
  [SPEAKER_06]: And I think it might be Adam Krola.
• 2:14:56
  [SPEAKER_06]: I can't tell if it is because he looks younger than Adam Krola.
• 2:15:00
  [SPEAKER_06]: and he does Joe Biden and they do this back and forth together.
• 2:15:04
  [SPEAKER_06]: And it is amazingly incredible.
• 2:15:10
  [SPEAKER_06]: But that's where Finn is your ice up.
• 2:15:14
  [SPEAKER_06]: I was just trying to send it to you.
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  [SPEAKER_06]: I didn't know it was going to play on me.
• 2:15:18
  [SPEAKER_03]: Oh no, you're good dude.
• 2:15:19
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think my ultimately my ice up is
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  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm icing up Donald Trump in this current arc that he's on because right now I think that he is losing a lot more support than he could ever imagine.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: Based on just the stupid behavior and rhetoric that he is kind of spewing.
• 2:15:53
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's becoming a big issue in my mind, and I for one am interested in getting back to some sense of decorum in politics.
• 2:16:04
  [SPEAKER_03]: If we can ever get back to that point, but yeah, I'm icing up a Donald Trump specifically, or decorum.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, decorum.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: him saying I thought it was a doctor or it was me being portrayed as a red cross worker or something.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: Is this bad as me at five years old lying to my family about taking a bite out of a piece of bread and putting it back in the bread, the bag.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: And then them asking, did you do this?
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  [SPEAKER_03]: And I finally say, yes, I did it.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: And
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  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm not gonna, this is a true story, by the way.
• 2:17:05
  [SPEAKER_03]: I went it up in the air.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: It got stuck in my mouth, and I tried to get it out, and I just had to bite it.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: And, you know, it was, and then I put it back in the back.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: So, so, uh, it's, uh, that, that lie reminded me of five year old C. K. Lyon to his family of putting bread back in the bag, in the bag, saying that bread got stuck in his mouth.
• 2:17:29
  [SPEAKER_03]: Um, and that's why there was a bite just one bite out of one singular piece of bread, uh, and why I was put back in the bag.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: So, uh, not a great look.
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  [SPEAKER_06]: No.
• 2:17:41
  [SPEAKER_06]: Alright, that's the C3 Panthers podcast.
• 2:17:43
  [SPEAKER_06]: We'll be back here on Tuesday.
• 2:17:45
  [SPEAKER_06]: The draft show live draft party on Thursday of next week.
• 2:17:51
  [SPEAKER_06]: Nick Monterey going to be with me hanging out.
• 2:17:57
  [SPEAKER_06]: Hopefully we'll see if we have a electricity.
• 2:18:00
  [SPEAKER_06]: Don't worry, he won't make sure I do.
• 2:18:02
  [SPEAKER_06]: It's just he's doing a major upgrade to my home.
• 2:18:07
  [SPEAKER_06]: So we're either going to be on laptop, but I'm getting CK on the podcast on Thursday.
• 2:18:12
  [SPEAKER_06]: If we're not on the full setup, we'll be here.
• 2:18:15
  [SPEAKER_06]: There's going to be special guests for turn hosts.
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  [SPEAKER_06]: Thank you for hanging out with us.
• 2:18:23
  [SPEAKER_06]: We'll be here Tuesday night.
• 2:18:26
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• 2:18:39
  [SPEAKER_06]: You know what to do.
• 2:18:40
  [SPEAKER_06]: Let's get out of here.