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Happy Hour #134: More Gay Animals?!?! · Stuff Mom Never Told You

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  Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha, and welcome to stuff
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  Speaker 1: I never told your prodiction my Heart Radio. And welcome
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  Speaker 1: to another edition of Happy Hour. As always, drink responsibly
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  Speaker 1: if you choose to do so. Are you slipping on anything.
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  Speaker 2: Smantha Water, I keep myself hat rated.
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  Speaker 3: I'm sipping on warm beer. No warm beer, we are.
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  Speaker 1: Unfortunately, we weren't able Samantha and I to work out
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  Speaker 1: our vacation dates at the same time.
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  Speaker 2: Nope.
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  Speaker 1: So it's been a bit of a scramble covering the content.
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  Speaker 1: So this one is going to be kind of a
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  Speaker 1: shorter one.
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  Speaker 3: I think. Who knows. I did want to started This
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  Speaker 3: was a bit all over the place.
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  Speaker 1: It's stuff that I cut from my previous Happy Hour
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  Speaker 1: on gay animals.
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  Speaker 3: Because that episode was.
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  Speaker 1: Going a bit longer I didn't get to and because
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  Speaker 1: Pride Month is coming to a close, I thought I
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  Speaker 1: would talk about it. But speaking of gay animals, I
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  Speaker 1: did want to mention some thoughts some people wrote in
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  Speaker 1: about that one. Yeah, so first of all, Michelle reminded me,
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  Speaker 1: I totally forgot about this, So if you haven't listened
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  Speaker 1: to that episode, I was mostly I was lamenting the
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  Speaker 1: facts that this documentary came out, which I still haven't seen,
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  Speaker 1: but it was about like gay behavior in the animal kingdom,
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  Speaker 1: and I was talking about I had experienced that the
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  Speaker 1: backlash that came from conservatives about that documentary of that's
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  Speaker 1: not natural. Animals don't do that a lot, and so
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  Speaker 1: I was sort of lamenting that, and I was talking about,
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  Speaker 1: I don't think we should.
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  Speaker 3: Compare. That shouldn't be like our benchmark, right.
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  Speaker 1: But I said at the end, it's not that I
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  Speaker 1: don't I'm not interested in that because I'm a huge
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  Speaker 1: dork and I love nature and I love animals. So
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  Speaker 1: I was like, hey, please send in if you've got
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  Speaker 1: your favorite clare behavior in the animal kingdom. So Michelle
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  Speaker 1: reminded me there is the book and Tango Mix three.
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  Speaker 1: It's a children's book. It's illustrated, and it's about the
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  Speaker 1: two male penguins that came together and raised a young
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  Speaker 1: penguin together. If I'm remembering correctly, this happened like in
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  Speaker 1: New York Zoo, but it was like based on the
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  Speaker 1: like real thing that happened. But here's the note for Michelle, Well,
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  Speaker 1: you asked for our favorite gay activities among animals. I've
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  Speaker 1: come across more than one story about pairs of male
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  Speaker 1: penguins raising children together. It's super sweet and if the
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  Speaker 1: conservatives want to use animal activity to decide what should
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  Speaker 1: be done, here's proof that two men can raise a
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  Speaker 1: child together. And unfortunately, I love that you brought this up.
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  Speaker 1: But unfortunately this is one of the most banned books,
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  Speaker 1: of course, But that was really interesting in contrast with
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  Speaker 1: a message we got from Lena, who brought up this
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  Speaker 1: point that I actually hadn't really heard, but when Lina
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  Speaker 1: sent it to us, I was like, oh, yeah, that
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  Speaker 1: makes sense. Lena wrote, I had a biology class an
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  Speaker 1: undergrad wherein we looked at how physical anatomy influenced different
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  Speaker 1: animals mating practices. So having some awareness of how the
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  Speaker 1: animal kingdom behaves when it's getting it's frisky on seems
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  Speaker 1: really unsettling to me too. I've also heard a different
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  Speaker 1: take on human sexuality, focusing on same sex attracting and
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  Speaker 1: sexual behaviors. That's just as weirdly homophobic. I've heard some
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  Speaker 1: religious folks make the argument that because same sex behavior
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  Speaker 1: happens in the animal world, that humans shouldn't emulate it
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  Speaker 1: because God put us in charge of all the animals,
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  Speaker 1: and since we are above them and the eyes of God,
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  Speaker 1: we can't possibly be gay because of that. It's all
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  Speaker 1: very bend over backwards to uphold the bigotry.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: I had never heard that, but when you say that,
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  Speaker 1: that makes complete sense to me that people use that argument.
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  Speaker 1: And it is fascinating how as you say clearly either
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  Speaker 1: way it's unnatural in the animal kingdom, so you shouldn't
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  Speaker 1: do it, or it's unnatural because animals do it, so
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  Speaker 1: you shouldn't do it.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm definitely hearted as like, you're not an animal,
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  Speaker 2: don't do that, You're not in the you know, like
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  Speaker 2: all these things. So how does it? And it has
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  Speaker 2: typically come from a conservative side of that as well,
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  Speaker 2: so you're like.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and like I said, I know all of us
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  Speaker 1: have experienced to this, but sort of the the way
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  Speaker 1: that the argument is articulated around, men are just inherently
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  Speaker 1: biologically sexual things, right, And so that to me sounds
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  Speaker 1: like you're saying they're animal Like, you're saying they're animalistic
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  Speaker 1: and they're instinctual, so that would imply okay, then we
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  Speaker 1: aren't above animals, right, But then.
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  Speaker 3: You're also saying.
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  Speaker 1: Like it just feels that as I said in that episode,
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  Speaker 1: I can't square this. I just can't square it right
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  Speaker 1: because it feels very It just to me feels that
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  Speaker 1: whole boys will be boys, they're not in control. Feels
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  Speaker 1: like you're talking about not a human right.
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  Speaker 2: This goes back to what we've talked about many times
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  Speaker 2: where they're like women can't lead, Yeah, just both like
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  Speaker 2: this scenario because they're not manly enough, because you know,
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  Speaker 2: men are leaders and they're in control and women are emotional.
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  Speaker 2: But then you're like all these other things like but
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  Speaker 2: you excuse men and also make them seem really really
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  Speaker 2: ignorant and naive, like they can't raise children, they can't
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  Speaker 2: be alone with children type of conversations, or they shouldn't
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  Speaker 2: be expected to clean anything because they're not they don't
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  Speaker 2: know how to do that, like this level, Like but
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  Speaker 2: then which one is it? And then it's that same
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  Speaker 2: conversation of like, yeah, but you're saying it's because of
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  Speaker 2: this if they shouldn't be doing this, or it's because
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  Speaker 2: of that they should be doing this, But yet you're
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  Speaker 2: using both like you're straddling the fence once again, and
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  Speaker 2: you're kind of making making this an oxymoron in itself.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a good point. That's a good point about
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  Speaker 1: like the the raising of children, because in at least
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  Speaker 1: like Western US society, it was very it was perceived
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  Speaker 1: as it still is. We've talked about it many times,
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  Speaker 1: like women do that.
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  Speaker 3: Men.
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  Speaker 1: I guess I should say Western US like a modernized society.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, because we've talked about now indigenous people
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  Speaker 1: that was not the case. But but like, yeah, they
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  Speaker 1: the men aren't really involved in raising the children. They're
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  Speaker 1: more involved in like working and bringing how money. So
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  Speaker 1: it is interesting that, Yeah, you're also saying they can't
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  Speaker 1: do that.
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  Speaker 2: Right, but they can do this other thing that's way
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  Speaker 2: more responsibility.
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  Speaker 1: You're like that, it's how many times have we heard
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  Speaker 1: the like religious man cheats on his wife. But but
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  Speaker 1: that was like temptation or his like proclivity of just
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  Speaker 1: being a man. That's just what happens when so these
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  Speaker 1: big ones. Yeah, I guess what I'm trying to say
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  Speaker 1: is it's so manufactured.
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  Speaker 3: It's so.
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  Speaker 1: Just to keep the patriarchy in place. Whichever story you're
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  Speaker 1: gonna tell, they'll spend it whichever way.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, So I'm glad thanks to both of those listeners,
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  Speaker 1: with that because I do one story.
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  Speaker 2: I know it's been around, but Keith makes me go
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  Speaker 2: back to the Parks and Wreck episode which you don't
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  Speaker 2: know the way, where she does a cute thing has
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  Speaker 2: a penguin wedding. It turns out that they're both male.
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  Speaker 2: Everybody gets in arms and they're like, you are you know,
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  Speaker 2: promoting homosexuality and all these things, and they're like, they
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  Speaker 2: actually are mating and are together, and then she takes
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  Speaker 2: into a more open city area where they can live
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  Speaker 2: happily together.
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  Speaker 3: Right. Oh my gosh, I totally forgot about that.
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  Speaker 2: I always I don't know why.
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  Speaker 3: That sounds like we just did we just recorded an
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  Speaker 3: episode on but I'm a cheerleader. That sounds like the
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  Speaker 3: most absurd conversion therapy for animals.
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  Speaker 2: Like good luck with that. Have fun with this.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, And I do feel like there's a third thing,
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  Speaker 1: which is probably the most accurate, but it's still weaponized
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  Speaker 1: sometimes where it's it's like, yeah, I like the animal
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  Speaker 1: is gonna hump you.
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  Speaker 3: I don't want to say about it.
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  Speaker 2: That's just a whole little conversation about dominance and my
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  Speaker 2: female dog. She humps like like it is what it
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  Speaker 2: is a thing from either one.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, it's just fascinating. Yeah to me, Yes
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  Speaker 1: to me, these arguments.
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  Speaker 2: It's fascinating and sad.
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  Speaker 1: It's really sad. It's honestly bumming me out because I no,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I just feel like, like I said, I
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  Speaker 1: am a big I love like nature documentaries. I love
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  Speaker 1: that kind of stuff. And now it's become politicized. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure it always was, but it feels like now
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  Speaker 1: it's become this huge artument point that I have heard.
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  Speaker 2: I think it's just a regurgitation because it comes back
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  Speaker 2: again like all these things that you would think at
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  Speaker 2: this point is like that is so outdated and already
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  Speaker 2: been proven wrong. Why are we back here again? But
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  Speaker 2: then we've got this new generation of adults who were
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  Speaker 2: not adults at the time when it was happening, so
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  Speaker 2: they would bring it back without fully taking it through.
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  Speaker 2: So but yeah, but it is like constant, like why
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  Speaker 2: are we doing this? Why are you doing this?
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  Speaker 3: So need for this?
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  Speaker 2: It's unnecessary.
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  Speaker 1: It is really unnecessary that. And Tango Makes Three is
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  Speaker 1: a very nice book. Yeah, it's very lovely.
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  Speaker 2: It's supposed to be cute, but it be.
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  Speaker 3: Mm hmmm mm hmmm.
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  Speaker 1: Well, listeners. Thanks to both of these listeners writing in.
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