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Shot, Fired, Accu$ed! Murdaugh Heir Shot on Lonely Road · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Two dead bodies, no, make
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Speaker 1: that three, four, five dead bodies and now another shooting
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Speaker 1: in the head. Gotta be talking about the South Carolina
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Speaker 1: legal dynasty, the Murdoch family. Well, the water gets even
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Speaker 1: muddier in the last hours. The heir to all that
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Speaker 1: money and all that prestige is shot himself in the
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Speaker 1: head while he's out changing attire on a very obscure
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Speaker 1: rural route. I checked that route. He was certainly taking
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Speaker 1: the long road. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. I am
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Speaker 1: talking about the father, Alex Murdog. According to him, and
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Speaker 1: the wake of the shooting death of his wife and
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Speaker 1: his young son, he suddenly is shot in the head
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Speaker 1: while he's out changing attire. Now, you know, a lot
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Speaker 1: of people may say, wow, that's a coincidence. Alex Murdog
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Speaker 1: is shot in the head just like his wife and
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Speaker 1: his son. There is no coincidence with me an all
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Speaker 1: star panel to make sense of it all. And this
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Speaker 1: with the new revelation that reportedly Alex Murdog's firm has
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Speaker 1: hired forensic accountants and they are hot on the trail
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Speaker 1: sniffing down over one million dollars miss appropriated by Alex
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Speaker 1: and Mardock. Now, some people might say embezzled or even stolen.
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Speaker 1: I haven't heard those words thrown around yet, but let's
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Speaker 1: just start at the beginning. Take a listen to this tonight,
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Speaker 1: we are following a developing story out of Hampton County.
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Speaker 1: According to his lawyer, Alex Murdock has been shot in
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Speaker 1: the head, his lawyer telling us earlier today, Murdoch was
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Speaker 1: changing a tire when a motorist drove past him, then
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Speaker 1: turned around and opened fire. Were told he's been airlifted
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Speaker 1: to usc and that he is currently conscious and breathing.
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Speaker 1: Back in June, Murdock's wife and son were killed in
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Speaker 1: a double homicide in Cullington County. The shooting now being
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Speaker 1: investigated by SLED. For those of you that don't know,
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Speaker 1: SLED is South Carolina Law Enforcement Division. You are hearing
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Speaker 1: our friends at WCIC needs for Charleston. Take a listen
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Speaker 1: to our friend at ABC EVA. Pilgrim Alec Murdoch was
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Speaker 1: changing a tire on the side of the road in
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Speaker 1: rural Hampton County Saturday when a car passed him, turned around,
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Speaker 1: and someone shot him in the head. He was airlifted
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Speaker 1: to a hospital in Charleston. We are told he is
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Speaker 1: conscious and speaking. Murdock's brother sitting down with us back
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Speaker 1: in June. Did they have any enemy's I really don't
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Speaker 1: know if any enemies. You hear all this talk on
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Speaker 1: the social media with regard to all, but I don't
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Speaker 1: know if anybody would truly it would truly be an
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Speaker 1: enemy actually want to harm them first of all. Susan E.
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Speaker 1: Williams joining us out of South Carolina. She's a criminal
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Speaker 1: defense attorney. They're a former prosecutor, and you can find
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Speaker 1: her at s Williams dash Law dot net. Doctor Angela Arnold,
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Speaker 1: renowned psychiatrists, joining us out of the Atlanta jurisdiction. You
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Speaker 1: can find her at Angela Arnold MD dot com. Professor Forensickes,
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Speaker 1: Jacksonville State University. Author of Blood Beneath My Feet on
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Speaker 1: Amazon and Starving You, hit series The Piketon Massacre on iHeart.
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Speaker 1: Joseph Scott Morgan, Matt Harris, ning US, host at wl
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Speaker 1: n K Charlotte and podcaster of the Mornott Family Murders.
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Speaker 1: Impact of Influence at one O seven point nine, The
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Speaker 1: Matt and Ramona Show. Matt Harris, does the web get
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Speaker 1: any more intricate or tangled. It is amazing how this
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Speaker 1: story continues and then Saturday afternoon you hear about it
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Speaker 1: being shot, and then Sunday it comes out that the
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Speaker 1: money was missing, or it first comes out the rehab
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Speaker 1: is going to happen, and then it comes out about
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Speaker 1: the money missing, and it becomes really all that more confusing,
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Speaker 1: Like even looking at the photos from the scene, and
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Speaker 1: then they could have moved things, but there's not a
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Speaker 1: tire out, there's no tire iron, there's no sense that
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Speaker 1: his new Mercedes was having a tire changed. Now, things
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Speaker 1: could have been moved, but still the march, the numbers
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Speaker 1: that sledhead put up the investigators to put up for
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Speaker 1: where they saw casings or some sort of evidence, those
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Speaker 1: were still there. So it's a real big mix of questions.
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Speaker 1: You know, Matt Harris, I was looking to you for
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Speaker 1: some answers, but in this situation, I don't think we've
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Speaker 1: got any answers, not yet. Anyway, one thing that I observed,
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Speaker 1: let's let's just go through his story for those of
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Speaker 1: you just joining us. The heir to a legal dynasty,
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Speaker 1: Alex Murdog took a bullet to the head. According to
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Speaker 1: him this weekend broad daylight on a very obscure rural
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Speaker 1: route leading from Varneville, I think, to Charleston. Now, the
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Speaker 1: route he was taking is not the most direct route.
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Speaker 1: Let me go to Susan E. Williams joining us, South
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Speaker 1: Carolina lawyer. What do you know about the route he
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Speaker 1: was taking? Why would he go on such a long
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Speaker 1: and circuitous route when you could go from A to B.
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Speaker 1: Why go all the way around to get to be Susan?
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Speaker 1: What we knew is that that route is extremely rural.
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Speaker 1: It is extremely private, and it is extremely secluded from
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Speaker 1: It's not a busy highway. It's not And you know
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Speaker 1: what I noticed, Susan Williams. Everybody, Susan william Is joining me,
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Speaker 1: South Carolina criminal defense attorney, former prosecutor. I might add, Susan,
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Speaker 1: you know what I noticed. And I have just gotten
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Speaker 1: back in the studio. I've been back and forth and
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Speaker 1: back and forth to South Carolina in Savannah when he
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Speaker 1: got sent to Memorial Medical. That route, as far as
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Speaker 1: the eye can see from where Alex Murdog's black Mercedes
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Speaker 1: SUV was parked on the side of the road, as
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Speaker 1: far as you look down, there's not really a curve
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Speaker 1: in the road. You're not going to be surprised by
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Speaker 1: anyone suddenly coming around the curve and disturbing you and
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Speaker 1: their direction. I couldn't see a curve. In other words,
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Speaker 1: he would have had a bird's eye view. Susan, let
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Speaker 1: me throw this to Joe Scott Morgan. Joe Scott, you're
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Speaker 1: the forensics expert joining us today. Another thing I noticed,
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Speaker 1: according to him, Alex Murdog, who's now being reportedly kicked
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Speaker 1: out of his law firm, that I think his ancestors founded.
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Speaker 1: Then he said he resigned. Now he's in rehab, but
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Speaker 1: won't tell us what he's in rehab. Four. You know,
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Speaker 1: I'm fine with that. That's none of my business. I
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Speaker 1: just know that every Hollywood star I've ever know know
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Speaker 1: when they get into trouble, they suddenly go to rehab. Anyway,
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Speaker 1: he's in rehab. My point is, he said Joe Scott
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Speaker 1: Morgan that a truck came by him this way. I
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Speaker 1: understand that Matt jump in. Matt Harris, if I got
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Speaker 1: it wrong, circled back, did you he came back. He
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Speaker 1: took a shot at him. It's asphalt. There's no way
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Speaker 1: they can get a tire tread from that unless he
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Speaker 1: unless he took a wide you if he even existed
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Speaker 1: to try to get some tread. I also noticed, Joe Scott,
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Speaker 1: that slid was out in the weeds, I mean weeds
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Speaker 1: up two three feet tall with metal detectors. So I
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Speaker 1: guess they're looking for a bullet or a cartridge jump in. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: that's exactly what they're doing, Nancy. Back to the thing
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Speaker 1: about the tire tread, hear, you're not going to be
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Speaker 1: recoveringything off of asphalt unless you know the individual applied
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Speaker 1: breaks and came to a screeching halt or you know,
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Speaker 1: maybe burned out in that area, which doesn't sound like
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Speaker 1: some cave. Joe Scott, I believe in modern science, but
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Speaker 1: I don't know what you're going to get from a
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Speaker 1: skid mark other than a skid mark. I don't know
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Speaker 1: if you can really match it up to a tread.
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Speaker 1: But it doesn't sound like there was any skid It
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Speaker 1: sounds like the person, if they existed, did a you. No,
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Speaker 1: it's it's a red herring that is now as far
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Speaker 1: him out in the weeds. Yeah, that's what they're doing, Nancy.
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Speaker 1: They're looking for a spent cartridge casing and and maybe
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Speaker 1: this proof projectile that you know that he was allowed
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Speaker 1: talk like that, just say a bullet, a projectile. It
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Speaker 1: a bullet. The bullet that skinned his head. Yeah, that
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Speaker 1: that did. And they're saying that this injury is superficial.
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Speaker 1: And when you say superficial to me, Nancy, in the
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Speaker 1: context of a gunshot wound, what that's telling me is
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Speaker 1: that this could potentially be some type of Grays injury
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Speaker 1: that it's non penetrative. So I'm just wondering. I'm wondering.
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Speaker 1: I have And they airlifted him for a cut kind
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Speaker 1: of looks like a groove. When you see these Grays injuries,
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Speaker 1: it kind of looks like a groove that kind of
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Speaker 1: burrows down and leaves a farrow in the side of
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Speaker 1: the of the of the tissue. And now it can
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Speaker 1: go down to bone, but most of the time it
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Speaker 1: just grazes top of the skin. You'll have an a
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Speaker 1: brave area. It almost looks like a like you see
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Speaker 1: when you get a skin knee or something, and it'll
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Speaker 1: have definite width width to it. So give you an
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Speaker 1: idea of kind of the dimensions. But I'm interested in
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Speaker 1: the orientation where was this individual relative to this fellow
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Speaker 1: when he was shot? Was he looking him in the eye? Hey,
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Speaker 1: wait a minute, As I have to instruct witnesses on
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Speaker 1: the stand, and my two twins use proper names. Hey,
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Speaker 1: they then let's refer to Alex Murdog and the shooter
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Speaker 1: if one exists. How do I know they're not out
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Speaker 1: in those woods looking for a weapon. How do I
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Speaker 1: know Alex Murdog I didn't shoot himself and fling the
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Speaker 1: weapons somewhere. Well, Matthew, I also want to chime in
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Speaker 1: real quick as I can about the tire tread because
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Speaker 1: that road and you know from being down there that
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Speaker 1: those roads are just too lane, very small, and it's
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Speaker 1: a decent sized truck. The odds of you making that
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Speaker 1: and turning around without going into off of the road
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Speaker 1: it's pretty slim. So if this vehicle existed, Matt Harris
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Speaker 1: saw wl n K. You're telling me that he would
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Speaker 1: have had to go off the asphalt to do the eue.
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Speaker 1: But you know what else I noticed, Matt, right there
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Speaker 1: where it happened, the weeds start about maybe three or
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Speaker 1: four inches off the asphalt. Let's just give everybody a picture.
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Speaker 1: So it's a two lane, which I think, Matta. Joe
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Speaker 1: Scott told me it's just one lane going that way,
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Speaker 1: the other coming this way. It is not wide at all,
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Speaker 1: about two or three inches of sandy dirt on either side,
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Speaker 1: and then the weeds come up. I hear what you're saying, Matt,
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Speaker 1: for him to the shooter to do a uee and
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Speaker 1: have to pull out onto that sandy soil and there
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Speaker 1: may be a tread a little bit, but maybe be
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Speaker 1: a tread. I think you're right. Yeah, I got agine
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Speaker 1: doing a three point turn and staying on the asphalt
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Speaker 1: of there with a Trump Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 1: You know another thing I was thinking about, Matt Harris,
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Speaker 1: and I know this is highly unlikely. Joe Scott susan
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Speaker 1: doctor Angie, everybody jumping if you've got a better idea.
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Speaker 1: This is, as we keep saying, a very rural, obscure,
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Speaker 1: remote road, which if you're in a hurry, you would
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Speaker 1: not have taken to get to Charleston from Varneville. But
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Speaker 1: maybe he just wanted to sightsee that day. What I'm wondering,
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Speaker 1: Matt Harris, at either end when that road intersects dead ends,
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Speaker 1: do we have any type of a red light, a
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Speaker 1: stop sign that may have a traffic camp. I doubt.
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Speaker 1: I'm just curious because that could tell me who's pulling
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Speaker 1: in and out of that very long stretch of road. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: that's I don't know for sure, but I think it's
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Speaker 1: pretty doubtful. That's a negative. Okay, Well, I had to
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Speaker 1: ask Susan. I wanted to say that, you know, it
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Speaker 1: a rural, private area. This is not a place where
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Speaker 1: we see a lot of ring cameras or you know,
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Speaker 1: homes that have some footage. It's very private, secluded. Are
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Speaker 1: there even any homes? I didn't see any in just
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Speaker 1: a light farmland to me, Susan looked like a lot
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Speaker 1: of woods to me, in a very narrow room, barely
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Speaker 1: a two car road, you know, two lane road, barely
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Speaker 1: so so narrow. Yeah, highly doubtful. Matt Harris, were there
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Speaker 1: any I didn't see any homes? Yeah, yeah, there they're
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Speaker 1: you not in that specific area. Further down the road,
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Speaker 1: like I don't know, maybe a couple miles or or something.
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Speaker 1: You start to see some things as the church that's
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Speaker 1: not too far from there as well. What church is that?
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Speaker 1: Let me pull out my notes here it is, Uh,
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Speaker 1: it's one of the intersections where he should have or
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Speaker 1: could have turned to go to Charleston, but he ended
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Speaker 1: up not making that turn because what church? What church?
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Speaker 1: What church? I'm looking, I'm efforting. I would think, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I wonder who made that up. I'm efforting that. I
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Speaker 1: don't know that that's real, but everybody in TV says
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Speaker 1: I'm efforting that, So okay, effort. I bet you anything.
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Speaker 1: That church has got to have some kind of surveillance
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Speaker 1: and what we would do with that. Joe Scott is
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Speaker 1: trying to get surveillance. It's on the road to see
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Speaker 1: who what truck was going by around the time. Alex
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Speaker 1: Murdog was shocked? What about that? And evil? What else
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Speaker 1: is cool about this? Nancy? How you can find something cool?
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Speaker 1: And we've got five bodies, we'll see. You've got Maggie Murdog,
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Speaker 1: the wife. You've got the son, Paul, the troubled son
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Speaker 1: Paul who was facing a criminal trial in the death
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Speaker 1: of Mallory Beach and a couple of days. You've got
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Speaker 1: um the house, the helper, Miss Sadderfield. You've got Steven Smith.
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Speaker 1: I'm missing somebody. I know. There's an Mallorie Beach. Yes,
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Speaker 1: that's the fifth person. And I'm not accusing them of murder.
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Speaker 1: I'm saying all these deaths are connected to the same family. Now,
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Speaker 1: you know who. We haven't heard much from Matt Harrison.
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Speaker 1: I know we're getting off the subject of the Alex
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Speaker 1: Murdog getting shot, but not a word from Buster. That's
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Speaker 1: the older son who's away at school. Right, No, he's
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Speaker 1: not away at schools A Buster is done with school. Buster.
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Speaker 1: I've been told was uh living with one of a
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Speaker 1: family member. Um, he was in rock Hill, South Carolina
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Speaker 1: for a while, but lately he has been you know what,
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Speaker 1: That's what I had in my mind. He's in rock Kill,
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Speaker 1: South Carolina, and for some reason I thought he was
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Speaker 1: having an extended four years. Hey, nothing wrong with that. Um,
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Speaker 1: so he was not in school. But where is he now?
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Speaker 1: Is he back and the area? Is he back in
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Speaker 1: South Carolina? Um? I know that. Yeah, I've been told
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Speaker 1: he's living in Hampton now. He'd been with his dad
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Speaker 1: and his dad and have been living in one of
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Speaker 1: his uncle's house for a little bit. Now, who Randy?
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Speaker 1: I think I'm trying to think of their Randy or
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Speaker 1: John Marvin's Randy, because is it Randy Murdoch is his
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Speaker 1: last name, Murdoch, Randy Murdoch. Yeah, he's because he keeps
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Speaker 1: popping up. He keeps popping up because I noticed that,
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Speaker 1: you know, Stephen Smith, the young man that was killed.
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Speaker 1: Many people think because he was gay. I don't know
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Speaker 1: that at I believe Randy Murdock had something to do
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Speaker 1: with coaching his baseball team, slow league baseball team, and
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Speaker 1: he keeps popping up at public statements as Randy was
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Speaker 1: there the night Mallory Beach was killed. Randy, I believe
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Speaker 1: Randy Murdock went to the hospital. So he is about
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Speaker 1: and around, kind of buzzing around all these scenes. Randolph
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Speaker 1: went to the hospital, which is the grandfather of Paul Okay. Yeah. Also, yeah,
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Speaker 1: you're right, Susan Williams, the father, the grandfather is dead. Guys,
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Speaker 1: take a listen to our friend Justin Beagle. At five
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Speaker 1: WCSC new information on the shooting of Alex Murdock in
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Speaker 1: Hampton County. According to the South Carolina Law and Force,
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Speaker 1: a division or SLED, Murdoc called the Hampton County dispatch
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Speaker 1: at one thirty Saturday afternoon. In that call, SLED says
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Speaker 1: Murdoch told dispatchers he had been shot on Old Soakahatchie
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Speaker 1: Road near Varneville. According to SLED, Murdoch was flown to
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Speaker 1: Memorial Health University Medical Center in Savannah for a superficial
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Speaker 1: gunshot wound to the head. They say officers were called
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Speaker 1: in to leave the investigation by Theahampton County Sheriff's Office.
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Speaker 1: The shooting of Alex Murderdock comes nearly three months after
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Speaker 1: his son and his wife were both found shot in
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Speaker 1: Colin And County. To doctor Angela Arnold, renowned psychiatrists, joining
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Speaker 1: me out of the Atlanta jurisdiction at Angela Arnold MD
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Speaker 1: dot com, Doctor Angie, if I may be so bold
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Speaker 1: as to call you that, Doctor Angie, it would have
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Speaker 1: been three months to the day on the ninth as
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Speaker 1: I recall the original shootings. Oh, hold on, thought, I
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Speaker 1: want to circle back to Joe Scott and Matt Harris
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Speaker 1: after I speak to doctor Angie. You know, I've just
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Speaker 1: noticed in some accounts it refers to Maggie and Paul,
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Speaker 1: the young troubled son, as being dumped their bodies dumped
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Speaker 1: by the kennels, which is a new twist. We've thought
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Speaker 1: all along that they were shot out by the kennels,
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Speaker 1: But there's a whole nother canon worms if they were
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Speaker 1: shot elsewhere and dumped. But back to you, doctor Angie,
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Speaker 1: look at this now you know my theory on coincidences
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Speaker 1: in criminal law. But we're almost three months to the day. Now,
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Speaker 1: we are now learning that Alex Murdog had been kicked
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Speaker 1: out of his law firm, a very well respect to
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Speaker 1: law firm that I think some of his relatives founded
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Speaker 1: with the theory that he had misplaced over one million dollars.
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Speaker 1: He is now saying, quote, I've made decisions I regret.
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Speaker 1: At the report is he's entering rehab for oxycodone three
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Speaker 1: months after his wife and son are murdered. Why does
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Speaker 1: everybody run to rehab? Well, I'm I'm not going to
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Speaker 1: say anything bad about rehab, because rehab helps a lot
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Speaker 1: of people, But certainly rehab could be a place that
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Speaker 1: you could go and spend quite a long time there
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Speaker 1: while you're getting your affairs in order. They're not going
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Speaker 1: to kick you out of rehab, particularly if you're paying
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Speaker 1: cash to be there. I hate to say it. So
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Speaker 1: that could be a place where he could go and
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Speaker 1: figure out all of these things that he regrets. I
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Speaker 1: wonder what he means by that. Regrets time stories with
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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace. Now listen, I don't want to pile on
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Speaker 1: this guy who's lost his wife and his son. But
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Speaker 1: this whole shooting in the head, that's quite a coincidence
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Speaker 1: to you, Joe Scott Morgan. Why was he on this
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Speaker 1: lonely stretch of road? Why did he get shot in
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Speaker 1: the head? But it was superficial? What can we learn
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Speaker 1: by the location of shell casings or potential bullets? What
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Speaker 1: do we need to examine as it relates to the
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Speaker 1: trajectory path of the bullet that grazed him, since it
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Speaker 1: did not enter his skull, where is the bullet? Let's
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Speaker 1: just start with those questions right there, Joe Scott, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: thinking about thinking about their trajectory, Nancy. One of the
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Speaker 1: things that comes to mind is, remember what he had said,
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Speaker 1: it was a vehicle that he was tired, a truck
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Speaker 1: that he was fired at from. So that would automatically
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Speaker 1: give you an idea that this individual firing the weapon
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Speaker 1: would be at a higher vanished point. So we have
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Speaker 1: a trajectory apparently that's going to go from above to below.
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Speaker 1: So firing downward at this individual at alex Okay, So
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Speaker 1: we have to try to understand how far away was
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Speaker 1: he from the shooter, from the potential shooter. Did he
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Speaker 1: pull over to the side of the road, you know,
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Speaker 1: because one story he says, the individual in the truck
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Speaker 1: asked me if I was having car trouble. That was
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Speaker 1: one quote. Well, it's kind of obvious if you're on
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Speaker 1: the side of the road and you've got a flat tire. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I got car trouble going on. And then the next
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Speaker 1: thing he remembers is gunshot. So that implies that he
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Speaker 1: was shot unawares, that he just heard the gunshot, so
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Speaker 1: he was looking at the individual when he was fired upon. Remember,
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Speaker 1: he said I just heard a gunshot, So that would
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Speaker 1: mean that it was probably coming toward his face. Maybe
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Speaker 1: he went to the left to the right and it
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Speaker 1: grazed the side of his head. Either way, it would
23:04
Speaker 1: be logical from that position the projectile would wind up
23:08
Speaker 1: in the ground behind where he would have been positioned
23:12
Speaker 1: relative to the truck. Also, the casing. If the casing
23:16
Speaker 1: from a semi automatic weapon, that is, the spent casing
23:20
Speaker 1: of the fired round didn't go inside of the truck,
23:24
Speaker 1: which it could, it could inject inside of the vehicle,
23:26
Speaker 1: but if it ejected out, it's probably going to be
23:29
Speaker 1: bouncing around on that asphalt. Somewhere are really close to
23:32
Speaker 1: the shoulder of the road, that would not be as
23:35
Speaker 1: difficult to find, particularly if you're using a metal detector,
23:39
Speaker 1: which you've already stated that Sled was out there doing that.
23:42
Speaker 1: So that's kind of the dynamic that you're looking at
23:45
Speaker 1: here is pretty clear cut. I find it fascinating, though, Nancy,
23:49
Speaker 1: that this individual sustained a gunshot wound to the head,
23:53
Speaker 1: and yeah, it was superficial. But immediately he got on
23:56
Speaker 1: the phone, he was able to communicate with nine one
24:01
Speaker 1: one or whoever was the Randy, the Randy Murdog. He
24:05
Speaker 1: immediately called him as well. Nancy, I've handled a lot
24:08
Speaker 1: of cases involved in a lot of gunshot wounds. Man.
24:11
Speaker 1: I would be out in those woods if somebody took
24:13
Speaker 1: a shot at me, I would take off running. So
24:18
Speaker 1: I don't know, there's there's more questions to be answered, Nancy.
24:21
Speaker 1: I have the church all right, hit me Matt hass
24:25
Speaker 1: Saint John's Baptist Church, and I went and looked at
24:30
Speaker 1: a different video, a different angle, and it's not that
24:32
Speaker 1: far from where he was allegedly shot. I think he
24:38
Speaker 1: was on the fifteen hundred block, and the church I
24:40
Speaker 1: think is the twenty four hundred blocks. Hey, Nancy, if
24:43
Speaker 1: I could yet in reference to what Matt is saying
24:46
Speaker 1: in regards to the church, in any kind of surveillance,
24:49
Speaker 1: what's really important is we have time that we can
24:52
Speaker 1: connect here because Alex made a phone call at that
24:55
Speaker 1: point in time. With that information that would come off
24:59
Speaker 1: of that phone call, and that's coupled with any kind
25:02
Speaker 1: of surveillance video, you can get an idea as too,
25:05
Speaker 1: if a truck passed in front of the in front
25:07
Speaker 1: of that church at that particular time, and you could
25:10
Speaker 1: also potentially get an idea if someone in that area
25:14
Speaker 1: was also paining their phone as well, perhaps maybe a perpetrator.
25:18
Speaker 1: That's a really good idea. Matt Harris has dug up
25:23
Speaker 1: the name of Saint John's Baptist Church and the twenty
25:25
Speaker 1: four hundred block. What's the name of the street again,
25:29
Speaker 1: It's Socohachi. It's also called Old Roots whatever's course by
25:33
Speaker 1: different name too, It's the Socohachi. Everywhere in the South
25:37
Speaker 1: the street has multiple names, like Old forty one is
25:40
Speaker 1: also Houston. How not Houston but Houston Avenue. I mean
25:44
Speaker 1: it goes okay, gotcha? So the twenty four hundred block
25:48
Speaker 1: of Salkahatchie. You know, all of the evidence is very
25:55
Speaker 1: um let me just say circumstantial right now. But while
26:00
Speaker 1: I was just down in South Carolina this past weekend,
26:05
Speaker 1: just let's say, nosing around one of the local ladies
26:09
Speaker 1: I met at a where was I A Jimmy Johns said, well,
26:15
Speaker 1: and these are her her her words, he's not too
26:19
Speaker 1: freaked out about somebody shooting him in the head. I mean,
26:22
Speaker 1: everything he's saying is about bad decisions that he regrets.
26:28
Speaker 1: He's going in the rehab. I want to know he
26:30
Speaker 1: shot me in the head? Is that just me? Nancy?
26:33
Speaker 1: I just want to say I was card jack at
26:37
Speaker 1: gunpoint and a gun was fire, shots were fired, and
26:42
Speaker 1: I was in shot. I realized that people see react
26:50
Speaker 1: to things differently, but I did flee for my life.
26:54
Speaker 1: I ran. I was in a complete state of panic,
26:58
Speaker 1: and there's there's there's just no way to gauge how
27:02
Speaker 1: people react. But my personal reaction after having shots fired
27:06
Speaker 1: right by my head was run. You know, I'm just
27:10
Speaker 1: thinking about what, Oh, thank you Jackie. Jackie has got
27:14
Speaker 1: me a picture of Saint John's Baptist Church. Oh, it's
27:17
Speaker 1: a it's a it's a big church, big brick edifice,
27:21
Speaker 1: big white spire. I guarantee you somewhere on that property, Jackie.
27:26
Speaker 1: There is gonna be a video camera somewhere at Saint
27:31
Speaker 1: John's Baptist Church. Now is it working that? I don't know.
27:35
Speaker 1: But that's a pretty substantial church. It's not like the
27:38
Speaker 1: little one that I grew up in. Uh, you know
27:41
Speaker 1: where we had an organ that you pumped with your feet,
27:45
Speaker 1: all right because my mom played it. So there's got
27:49
Speaker 1: to be some sort of surveillance in that area. And
27:52
Speaker 1: Susan Williams, of course you're now, you're a veteran criminal
27:56
Speaker 1: defense attorney, former prosecutor, no stranger to a courtroom. I
28:00
Speaker 1: expect this guy to be freaking out. I would expect
28:02
Speaker 1: him to be out in the woods hiding with his
28:05
Speaker 1: cell phone. How he managed to get that don't know,
28:07
Speaker 1: but he got it at hiding till nine one one
28:10
Speaker 1: got there. Yes, I'm wondering did he have a bullet
28:14
Speaker 1: proof vest on? Well, yes, Susan, what about that, Matt Harris.
28:19
Speaker 1: What Susan Williams is saying, South Carolina criminal defense attorney.
28:23
Speaker 1: You know, I've heard so many different versions of how
28:26
Speaker 1: he got shot in the head, which I also find
28:28
Speaker 1: very unusual that there's more than one version. But is
28:31
Speaker 1: one of the versions of Matt Harris w l n K.
28:34
Speaker 1: Charlotte that a person actually said, do you have car trouble?
28:38
Speaker 1: You need any help? Why did he can't Alex Mardock
28:42
Speaker 1: can't make an identification? No, Yeah, that doesn't make a
28:46
Speaker 1: lot of sense. Well, I just got this text I
28:49
Speaker 1: thought i'd share you too, that from a paralegal at
28:54
Speaker 1: an attorney's office and said Maggie was planning a forensic
28:58
Speaker 1: accounting of money the wife to light. Now wait a minute,
29:02
Speaker 1: Matt Harris, let me understand what you just said. Guys,
29:04
Speaker 1: this and my mind changes everything right here. He can
29:10
Speaker 1: allegedly misplace funds from his law firm. That's one thing.
29:16
Speaker 1: They apparently, according to the New York Times, have a
29:19
Speaker 1: forensic accountant on his tail. But are you telling me
29:24
Speaker 1: his own wife had hired a forensic accountant. Yeah, that
29:29
Speaker 1: is the word I got from a pretty reliable source
29:32
Speaker 1: just as we were speaking right here. Okay, that's a
29:35
Speaker 1: whole another can of worms crime stories with Nancy Grace.
30:01
Speaker 1: I was told also Matt Harris when I was there
30:07
Speaker 1: in the past days that a lot of money had
30:11
Speaker 1: been moved between Maggie and Alex Murdock's accounts, many people
30:17
Speaker 1: speculating they were leading up to a divorce or were
30:20
Speaker 1: trying to shelter funds in a potential lawsuit or bankruptcy.
30:26
Speaker 1: I mean a lot was happening. They were getting sued
30:29
Speaker 1: civilly for instance, Mallory Beach other reasons. So were they
30:37
Speaker 1: trying to shelter money, were they moving money for an
30:40
Speaker 1: alleged bankruptcy that may happen? Were they about to get
30:43
Speaker 1: a divorce? And money was being shifted back and forth
30:46
Speaker 1: for whatever financial reason. But you're telling me you just
30:50
Speaker 1: got information that the wife Maggie found dead with a
30:54
Speaker 1: shot to the head, had ordered a forensic accounting of
30:59
Speaker 1: her husband, Alex Murdock. That is what a source tells me.
31:02
Speaker 1: Guess just now I got that. Yeah, we know that
31:06
Speaker 1: there was that the civil lawsuits that we're going on,
31:10
Speaker 1: and Susan knows this too, that they were working hard
31:12
Speaker 1: to get it moved to I think it's called maritime
31:15
Speaker 1: lall or something like that. So they've been doing a
31:17
Speaker 1: lot of shuffling around to protect their assets. As this
31:22
Speaker 1: Mallory Beach civil case started to take off, Guys, I
31:26
Speaker 1: want you to take a listen to this. The Murdo
31:31
Speaker 1: murder mystery takes another unexpected turn. A family spokesperson says
31:35
Speaker 1: Alex Murdock, whose wife and son were shot to debt
31:38
Speaker 1: back in June, was shot in the head himself while
31:41
Speaker 1: changing a tire. Today, an ordinarily quite at Hampton County
31:45
Speaker 1: Road turned it to anything but on Saturday, when Alex Murdle,
31:48
Speaker 1: a prominent lawyer in South Carolina, was shot in the head.
31:52
Speaker 1: A family spokesperson says Murdo stopped to change a tire
31:55
Speaker 1: on sanka Hatchey Road near Barneville when a car passed
31:57
Speaker 1: by him. Told that car ended up around and someone
32:01
Speaker 1: inside then shot Murda. Murda was later airlifted to Medical
32:05
Speaker 1: University of South Carolina and Charleston. The spokesperson told us
32:08
Speaker 1: he's now conscious and speaking. South Carolina Law Enforcement Division
32:13
Speaker 1: was called in to investigate the shooting Saturday. They could
32:16
Speaker 1: be seen taking photos of evidence and using metal detectors
32:19
Speaker 1: to look for things like shell piecings. W JCL reached
32:22
Speaker 1: out to the Hampden County Sheriff's office, as well as
32:25
Speaker 1: sled to see a bait to tell us of any
32:27
Speaker 1: suspects had been identified or arrested. Both are remaining tight
32:30
Speaker 1: lipped about the incident. I bet they are. You're listening
32:34
Speaker 1: to Brook Butler at w JCL twenty two. Now take
32:37
Speaker 1: a listen to Andrew Davis w sav Savannah. Alex Murdock
32:41
Speaker 1: speaking for the first time in weeks, this time from
32:44
Speaker 1: a Savannah hospital bed, the patriarch of the family making
32:47
Speaker 1: big decisions as he recovers from a gunshot wound suffered
32:51
Speaker 1: this weekend. Alex Murdock released a statement through his attorney.
32:56
Speaker 1: It says, in part quote, the murders of my wife
32:59
Speaker 1: and have caused an incredibly difficult time in my life.
33:02
Speaker 1: I've made a lot of decisions that I truly regret.
33:06
Speaker 1: I'm resigning from my law firm and entering rehab after
33:09
Speaker 1: a long battle that's been exacerbated by these murders. I
33:13
Speaker 1: am immensely sorry to everyone I've hurt, including my family,
33:17
Speaker 1: friends and colleagues. I asked for prayers as I rehabilitated
33:20
Speaker 1: myself and my relationships. The murders that Alex Murda mentioned
33:25
Speaker 1: are of his son Paul and wife Maggie, who were
33:28
Speaker 1: gunned down with the family property back in June. No
33:31
Speaker 1: suspects have been arrested and named in that case or
33:34
Speaker 1: in this weekend shooting. What we know is that the
33:37
Speaker 1: firm PEED in Hampton, South Carolina, have ordered a forensic
33:45
Speaker 1: accounting for the alleged misuse of funds amounting to quote
33:49
Speaker 1: millions of dollars millions being quote squandered. Their words, not mine,
33:58
Speaker 1: Straight back out to Matt harrel K Charlotte, who was
34:02
Speaker 1: telling us, according to his sources, not only had the
34:05
Speaker 1: law firm ordered a forensic accounting, but Alex Morlau's wife
34:09
Speaker 1: had ordered a forensic accountant. To get busy. What more
34:13
Speaker 1: do you know, Matt Harris's that's the that's the main word.
34:17
Speaker 1: I'm wading our couple of other possibilities of maybe relationships
34:22
Speaker 1: that Alec had going on. You may an affair. Is
34:26
Speaker 1: that what you're getting at now? Again not confirmed, but yeah,
34:29
Speaker 1: Matt Harris, can I tell you something? I asked twenty
34:33
Speaker 1: people in the area who was having an affair who?
34:41
Speaker 1: And I got so many different stories on both parties.
34:47
Speaker 1: Maggie was having an affair, this one's having an affair
34:50
Speaker 1: that I couldn't make sense of it all, and I
34:53
Speaker 1: didn't get any one clear thread of any romantic connections.
34:59
Speaker 1: But in my mind mind you get killed over love
35:04
Speaker 1: or money. The revenge theory to me was always very,
35:09
Speaker 1: very far fetched, more like something you'd read in a novel.
35:13
Speaker 1: Susan Williams. I mean, you see movies and read stories
35:16
Speaker 1: about let's just say, the mob doing a hit for
35:19
Speaker 1: revenge that hardly ever happens in real life. That's right.
35:24
Speaker 1: I think I really only see it in the movie.
35:27
Speaker 1: But I wanted to go back to the statement about
35:32
Speaker 1: the potentially missing funds or misappropriated funds, and I found
35:37
Speaker 1: it interesting that in twenty and sixteen, a lawyer at
35:42
Speaker 1: the Murdoff Law Firm was a person who was on
35:46
Speaker 1: a board a committee consisting of twelve members of the
35:49
Speaker 1: South Carolina Bar who is in charge of funding to
35:55
Speaker 1: compensate clients who suffered losses due to the dishonest conduct
36:00
Speaker 1: of the members of the South Carolina Bar who had
36:02
Speaker 1: been suspended, this barred or died. I'm not suggesting here
36:06
Speaker 1: anything other than I wanted to highlight that this lawyer
36:11
Speaker 1: was a member of the Murdoch firm and a member
36:14
Speaker 1: of this committee. The laws paid to anyone claimed as
36:17
Speaker 1: limited to forty thousand dollars, and the aggregate lifetime total
36:20
Speaker 1: per pay per attorney cannot exceed two hundred thousand. I mean,
36:24
Speaker 1: just think about it, Susan Williams. Wherever this money was
36:32
Speaker 1: being held? What if the allegations against Alex Murdoch are
36:38
Speaker 1: true that he had misappropriated millions of dollars of the
36:43
Speaker 1: firm's money. Is it from the firm's account, Is it
36:47
Speaker 1: from an escrow account for just let's just say carrect victims,
36:53
Speaker 1: medical malpractice victims. I mean, where did millions of dollars
36:58
Speaker 1: come from? Why didn't anybody notice? And where did all
37:02
Speaker 1: that money go? If in fact it was miss appropriated. Well,
37:09
Speaker 1: we know that some of their money. I'm not saying
37:13
Speaker 1: the funds money, the firm's money. I'm saying the Murdoff money.
37:18
Speaker 1: They donated heavily to political campaigns in South Carolina one
37:23
Speaker 1: hundred and ten thousand dollars over twelve years from the
37:28
Speaker 1: Murdoff family members. In addition, the firm donated over two
37:34
Speaker 1: hundred thousand dollars and they were either loving each of
37:39
Speaker 1: these candidates or you know, just generously giving to them.
37:45
Speaker 1: Can I tell you something, says and Williams. I've known
37:48
Speaker 1: lawyers from Atlanta all the way to New York City
37:53
Speaker 1: when there's a judges race, they donate to everybody running
37:57
Speaker 1: so they could be on their good side when they
37:59
Speaker 1: get on the bench. Sad as that may be, Guys,
38:02
Speaker 1: we're getting a lot more questions than answers. I hate
38:05
Speaker 1: that phrase, but it's true. In the case of Alec Murdog,
38:10
Speaker 1: who has been shot in the head in the last hours.
38:12
Speaker 1: He's just entered rehab. We wait as just as sudden
38:17
Speaker 1: folds as the big question remains. Who killed Maggie and Paul?
38:24
Speaker 1: Nancy Grace Scrime Story signing off, Goodbye, Frank