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Surrendering Identity with Gia Peppers · Deeply Well with Devi Brown

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Deeply Well. This show is a soft place
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  Speaker 1: to land on your journey, a space where we explore
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  Speaker 1: what it truly means to live well from the inside out.
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  Speaker 1: Not perfectly, but honestly. This is Deeply Well. Welcome back
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  Speaker 1: to Deeply Well. I'm Debbie Brown. Today, I am joined
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  Speaker 1: by my friend, Gia Peppers. Gia is an award-winning journalist,
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  Speaker 1: television host, podcaster, and and the founder of.
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  Speaker 2: Creatives of Faith.
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  Speaker 1: With more than a decade in entertainment journalism, Gia has
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  Speaker 1: interviewed some of the most recognizable and important voices in culture,
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  Speaker 1: from Pharrell and Kobe Bryant to Kelly Rowland and Danielle Brooks.
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  Speaker 1: Across her work, she creates space for people to share
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  Speaker 1: the fullness of their stories, including the experiences that have
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  Speaker 1: challenged them, that have changed them, and that have really
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  Speaker 1: deeply helped them grow. As host and co-executive producer of
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  Speaker 1: the NAACP Image Award-nominated More Than That with Gia Peppers,
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  Speaker 1: she brings audiences conversations that expand what's possible in business,
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  Speaker 1: financial well-being, and mental health. Through her Healed Girl Era podcast,
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  Speaker 1: Gia invites guests to share lessons from their most transformational seasons,
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  Speaker 1: building a community where people can heal out loud and
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  Speaker 1: feel less alone. And through creatives of faith, She brings
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  Speaker 1: together creatives who want to nurture their gifts while staying
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  Speaker 1: connected to God and their purpose. Today, we are making
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  Speaker 1: room for the woman behind those powerful conversations, exploring her
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  Speaker 1: own relationship with faith, with healing, with creativity, and with becoming. Gia,
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  Speaker 1: you spend so much of your life holding powerful space
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  Speaker 1: for others in their stories. And today, I'm really excited
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  Speaker 1: to hold that space for you and yours. Welcome to
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  Speaker 1: Deeply Well.
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  Speaker 3: What in the world? Debbie, please don't make me cry.
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  Speaker 3: You just got here two seconds ago. Thank you. I
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  Speaker 3: need that bio. Who wrote that? You wrote that? Who
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  Speaker 3: wrote that, y'all? I'm going to take that. Okay, just
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  Speaker 3: so y'all know.
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  Speaker 1: It's coming with me. We will send it. My God.
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  Speaker 3: That was beautiful. Thank you. No one has ever done
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  Speaker 3: that for me. I love you. What? Well, put it
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  Speaker 3: in that way. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's interesting to hear
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  Speaker 3: it all together. It's very hard to like, because, you know,
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  Speaker 3: we're in it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: We're in it. We're just building it. We're just trying
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  Speaker 3: to be obedient. We're just trying to make something out
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  Speaker 3: of this life we've been given.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: It's like a privilege to live this. And we want
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  Speaker 3: to serve folks. And like, you know, it's hard. It's
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  Speaker 3: hard work. So to hear it.
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  Speaker 2: It's hard work.
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  Speaker 3: Like, it's like, what? Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, girl.
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  Speaker 2: And to see the clear through lines.
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  Speaker 3: Exactly.
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  Speaker 1: To really behold the through lines of a real, full,
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  Speaker 1: purposeful career. Yes. I think that is a lost art
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  Speaker 1: and a lost piece that I personally just revere and
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  Speaker 1: love to bring to light on this show because it's like,
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  Speaker 1: in this culture, in this culture of virality, this culture
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  Speaker 1: of clips, this culture of validation and performance and, and
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  Speaker 1: what has turned into sometimes a visibility that predates experience.
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  Speaker 1: It's so important to let people know the other archetypes
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  Speaker 1: that exist and the way like work actually moves your
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  Speaker 1: life forward over a long span of time. You know,
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  Speaker 1: I think that the generations that came in under me,
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  Speaker 1: under us, um, you know, coming into this quote unquote
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  Speaker 1: modern age of technology, that piece has been missing. And
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  Speaker 1: I think people, some people will wake up and not
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  Speaker 1: realize how detrimental that missing piece may actually be to
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  Speaker 1: the fullness of like a work that extends through your life.
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 3: And I feel like One, I'm so honored to be
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  Speaker 3: back on Deeply Well. This is one of the best
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  Speaker 3: shows out in the world, and especially in the pod-averse,
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  Speaker 3: because of how you carry it, because of how you
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  Speaker 3: are truly just such a vessel for wellness, but also
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  Speaker 3: the internal conversations we have with ourselves, but articulating those
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  Speaker 3: feelings and allowing us to feel those feelings and take
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  Speaker 3: that and sit with ourselves and transmute it and come
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  Speaker 3: together and figure it out but then we come back
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  Speaker 3: here and it's like oh but it's still it's still
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  Speaker 3: me i still get to be held here and i
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  Speaker 3: think you do a beautiful job of that so i'm
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  Speaker 3: so happy to be back thank you literally i feel
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  Speaker 3: like i had this song last time too so hey
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  Speaker 3: you did it i feel like i always wear.
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  Speaker 1: It it's like i love it we're like very pink
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  Speaker 1: and green right now and like on the set.
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  Speaker 3: I mean i'm like but i was like what don't
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  Speaker 3: i have to iron and what is cute amen today
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  Speaker 3: in LA. It's like getting hot.
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  Speaker 2: And yesterday was freezing.
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  Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying. I'm like, here we go.
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  Speaker 1: And the day before that was raining. And the week
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  Speaker 1: before that was 110 degrees.
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  Speaker 2: Why are we getting the totality of global.
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  Speaker 1: Warming in Los Angeles?
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  Speaker 3: I'd really rather opt out. But I'm just like, meanwhile,
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  Speaker 3: we got things to build and do and become, even
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  Speaker 3: though the world is literally splitting before our eyes. And
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  Speaker 3: I feel like it's splitting open now. At first, I
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  Speaker 3: think it was scary to watch the split. But now
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  Speaker 3: I think we're seeing things that we were ignoring for
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  Speaker 3: so long just because we were so comfortable. And now
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  Speaker 3: nobody's comfortable. Not even the people that might have thought
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  Speaker 3: they would be comfortable by, you know, voting for somebody
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  Speaker 3: that was aligned with them. Nobody's comfortable.
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  Speaker 1: Nobody's comfortable.
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  Speaker 3: We're not able to look away. We were talking about flights.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, we're all churning.
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  Speaker 3: This morning, I went to go book a flight because
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  Speaker 3: I'm really traveling back and forth between D.C. and L.A.
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  Speaker 3: all the time.
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  Speaker 4: Wow.
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  Speaker 3: And, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: That's intense travel. It is.
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  Speaker 3: It's like because I'm bi-coastal. Like, I'm in L.A., but
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  Speaker 3: I'm mostly in D.C. I want to build a life there.
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  Speaker 3: My boyfriend's there.
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  Speaker 1: Got that man's out there, baby.
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  Speaker 3: I'm trying to be married.
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  Speaker 1: Because I'm in the private friends part of your story,
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  Speaker 1: so I've been seeing the things.
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  Speaker 3: I'm trying to be just as happy in my personal life.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: As I've been in my career, and I think especially
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  Speaker 3: coming up when we did, you had to fully go
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  Speaker 3: hard at your career. And it was like, man, we'll
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  Speaker 3: come later.
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  Speaker 2: That was the only choice.
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  Speaker 3: That was the only choice.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And then later comes, and I'm like... Now, how am
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  Speaker 3: I supposed to wait? So I was really grateful for
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  Speaker 3: the last couple of years because there were so many
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  Speaker 3: things that happened that made me realize like, oh, this
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  Speaker 3: is life now.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Like there is no later. Yeah. You're in it. What
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  Speaker 3: are you going to do? Do you want to date?
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  Speaker 3: And Yvonne Orji was like, you need to start putting
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  Speaker 3: your cities, wherever you're traveling, because you travel so much,
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  Speaker 3: into your hinge and wherever you're at so you can
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  Speaker 3: go on a couple of dates. And so I was
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  Speaker 3: home a couple of years ago. And I was chilling.
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  Speaker 1: I love Yvonne.
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  Speaker 2: She is so good.
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  Speaker 1: She's so good for pulling you in those like tiny
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  Speaker 1: detail ways. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And I was like, I, I don't know how to date.
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  Speaker 3: And she was like, just try to go on a
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  Speaker 3: couple of dates. And I went on a couple of
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  Speaker 3: dates that week. I was the week before I was
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  Speaker 3: turning 34 and he was the last date and we
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  Speaker 3: ain't stopped swogging since. So he's amazing. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Okay. I had a different origin. I was going to
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  Speaker 1: start with, but let's start with love. Someone that works
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  Speaker 1: so hard, someone that lives and works with purpose. Tell
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  Speaker 1: me about how it feels and the differences of being
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  Speaker 1: able to do your work while being loved.
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  Speaker 3: Come on in here. Wow. All right. We're going to
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  Speaker 3: go there. I wouldn't have started Creatives of Faith had
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  Speaker 3: I not had my boyfriend.
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  Speaker 2: Wow.
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  Speaker 3: I was like, you know what? You understand this. When
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  Speaker 3: the industry you work in doesn't quite get you, you
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  Speaker 3: start to wear it. So you start to be like, well,
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  Speaker 3: they don't think I'm good, so nobody thinks I'm good.
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  Speaker 3: They don't see me doing anything, so nobody sees me
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  Speaker 3: doing anything. I can't get on this show, so I'm
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  Speaker 3: not supposed to be on shows. I can't gather people.
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  Speaker 3: My numbers don't meet. Everything that was a no, that
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  Speaker 3: was showing on the opportunities that I was getting and
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  Speaker 3: the ceilings I was meeting, I was like, okay, so
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  Speaker 3: no one is going to care. It was him who
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  Speaker 3: was like, man, do you know who you are? Do
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  Speaker 3: you know how much you mean to people? I've been
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  Speaker 3: by your side for the last year and I see
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  Speaker 3: how people light up when you enter a room and
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  Speaker 3: I see how you can, can literally transform an environment
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  Speaker 3: by speaking and you, you are hiding because you're a
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  Speaker 3: little hurt by what this industry told you, but there's
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  Speaker 3: people waiting for you. Like there's really people waiting for
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  Speaker 3: you really can do it. And like, it took months
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  Speaker 3: of me being like, Okay, sir. Sure. Ain't nobody coming
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  Speaker 3: to that. If I do that, nobody's coming. Like if
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  Speaker 3: I started, cause, cause to be fair and to be honest,
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  Speaker 3: healed girl era did not go where I thought I
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  Speaker 3: would have wanted it to go. Like views wise and
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  Speaker 3: all that stuff. Like when you're selling and pitching, you
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  Speaker 3: know how it goes. Like, it's like, Hey, there's like
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  Speaker 3: Oprah and Michelle Obama are podcasters who need sponsorship. Like
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  Speaker 3: when we're talking about the playing field right now, it's like, okay.
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  Speaker 3: You know what that you start to wear it. Like
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  Speaker 3: the things that didn't quite go how you wanted to go,
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  Speaker 3: even though you put your all into it. So I
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  Speaker 3: took a step back from just creating all types of things.
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  Speaker 3: And I literally had to like, just chill on everything
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  Speaker 3: output and one, just fall in love. But to the
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  Speaker 3: mirror that he was able to hold up to me
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  Speaker 3: that I think I, I blurred my own mirror. He
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  Speaker 3: was able to help me like little by little, just
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  Speaker 3: see some different things. And so had I not met him,
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  Speaker 3: I'm not sure there would be a creatives of faith.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not sure I would be showing up in the
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  Speaker 3: way that I show up now. Um, because he's able
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  Speaker 3: to help me see that like, Just because one faction
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  Speaker 3: of your life didn't work out doesn't mean there's a
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  Speaker 3: million other things that you shouldn't be doing that you're
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  Speaker 3: literally called to be doing. And it's been a beautiful journey.
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  Speaker 3: God gave me the idea for Creatives of Faith six
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  Speaker 3: years ago, and I ran from it every step of
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  Speaker 3: the way. And it had to be the perfect storm,
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  Speaker 3: and he had to be the perfect person to literally
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  Speaker 3: hold my hand and be like, you can do this.
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  Speaker 3: Promise you. Like someone who can see you up close. no,
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  Speaker 3: no rah-rah, none of that, like, because, you know, we
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  Speaker 3: put on for our friends, we put on for our parents,
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  Speaker 3: and eventually you around your old man so much that, like,
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  Speaker 3: the mask falls, and next thing you know, you crying,
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  Speaker 3: talking about, you know, whatever, like, we could have been
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  Speaker 3: talking about popcorn, being good at a movie, and the
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  Speaker 3: next thing you know, I end up in tears, because,
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  Speaker 3: you know, something is freeing, like, it's free, I don't
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  Speaker 3: have to convince you, and that was a, that space
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  Speaker 3: that he created for me inside of, like, our growing
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  Speaker 3: and getting to know each other has helped me tremendously. Girl.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: He's good.
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  Speaker 1: He's a good guy. Two places I want to go
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  Speaker 1: with what you're talking about. I hope my brain lets
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  Speaker 1: me get both out. The first thing that I want
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  Speaker 1: to say about what you're saying that is so interesting
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  Speaker 1: to me is like for most of us, the issue,
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  Speaker 1: like the thing that we can't break through is just
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  Speaker 1: simply not getting accurate feedback about who we are from
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  Speaker 1: the mirrors that are around us, right? And like, you
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  Speaker 1: can derail your whole life and trajectory from not getting
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  Speaker 1: accurate feedback.
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  Speaker 3: We've seen it. We see it all the time in Hollywood.
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  Speaker 2: Like Hollywood, we see it.
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  Speaker 1: In families, in Hollywood, in anything, anywhere you are, if
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  Speaker 1: you're surrounded by people that aren't giving you honest, clear
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  Speaker 1: feedback about who and what you are or withholding the
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  Speaker 1: good feedback about you intentionally or because they don't have capacity,
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  Speaker 1: you miss a whole way of knowing who you are
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  Speaker 1: and a whole way of developing self-trust, confidence. Or you
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  Speaker 1: have to fight to get that, which was kind of
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  Speaker 1: my story, for yourself if you don't feel that other places.
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  Speaker 1: And also, so many people right now are getting incorrect
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  Speaker 1: feedback that they are great, that what they're doing is
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  Speaker 1: amazing or this or revolutionary or visionary. Like they're getting
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  Speaker 1: the wrong feedback because often no, it isn't. Or you're
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  Speaker 1: moving through ego or that person is celebrating you because
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  Speaker 1: they actually have a weird relationship with visibility. So they're
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  Speaker 1: obsessed with your visibility and think that that makes you great.
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  Speaker 1: And they're not actually looking at or giving you feedback
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  Speaker 1: about the work or the longevity of your legacy and gifts.
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  Speaker 1: And like, that is so fascinating to me. It's like,
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  Speaker 1: and you know, like in this space, we've seen it
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  Speaker 1: so many there we have seen, I'm saying this with
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  Speaker 1: no judgment whatsoever. We've just seen so many come and
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  Speaker 1: go in the industry as a whole. Cause that's how
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  Speaker 1: the industry operates, right? It's trend-based it's, focused on highlighting
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  Speaker 1: and lifting up whatever the algorithm catches wind of even
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  Speaker 1: prior to the algorithm. Exactly.
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  Speaker 3: That's so true.
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  Speaker 1: Whatever any random group of people are talking about, you know,
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  Speaker 1: and very rarely does that equate truth. Does that equate quality?
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  Speaker 1: Does that equate longevity? You know?
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  Speaker 2: And so it's like, we.
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  Speaker 1: Always have to refocus to look at ourselves through a
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  Speaker 1: clear lens because it's constantly being clouded by everything.
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  Speaker 4: Yes.
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  Speaker 3: It's so true. That's why like, artists like Lauryn Hill
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  Speaker 3: and Jill Scott and Erykah Badu and D'Angelo, may he
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  Speaker 3: rest in peace, all the folks that actually had the talent,
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  Speaker 3: the substance, something to say, and then still were able
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  Speaker 3: to make it, able to have these albums that changed
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  Speaker 3: the world. the industry is not letting that through no more.
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  Speaker 3: We don't even have the infrastructure, much less the ability
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  Speaker 3: to let, whoever did Neo Soul and made that term up,
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  Speaker 3: we thank you, because that was the last iteration to
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  Speaker 3: me of music with substance actually making a mainstream splash.
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  Speaker 3: We live in times where the people with something to
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  Speaker 3: say don't catch the algorithm's attention, and the people with
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  Speaker 3: nothing to say Are able to move culture in a
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  Speaker 3: way that is targeted.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Because there are people that own these platforms.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And we, I think we see it now that like
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  Speaker 3: all of our things are being co-opted.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And there are certain messages that are making it through
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  Speaker 3: to us and making us believe that we can't love
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  Speaker 3: each other. We can't support each other. We can't show
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  Speaker 3: up for each other.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 3: But then when you get offline and you talk to people,
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  Speaker 3: you're like, wait, I actually do need community. Are you?
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  Speaker 3: Are you, me, me, you? And the next thing you know,
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  Speaker 3: they bring two people and you bring two people and
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  Speaker 3: y'all actually want good for not only yourselves, but the world.
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  Speaker 3: It's like, we have to watch where we're plugged into
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  Speaker 3: so much because now these spaces are not even, I
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  Speaker 3: feel like it used to be a free for all.
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  Speaker 3: Now it's like, no, this is what you're going to
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  Speaker 3: care about. Your timeline. I follow like what? 5,000 people.
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  Speaker 3: I see maybe a hundred. Like they're telling us. what
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  Speaker 3: we care about.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: So now I'm like, we even have to double down
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  Speaker 3: on the spaces that feed us because we're not, it's,
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  Speaker 3: if you're plugged into the internet and you have to
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  Speaker 3: work within that space, like we do just to remain, um, it,
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  Speaker 3: it's a vehicle. It's just to have the channel. You
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  Speaker 3: have to be mindful of how you plug in and
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  Speaker 3: the time you put into it. And so I'm always
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  Speaker 3: mindful of that. Now I'm like, is that really my thought?
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  Speaker 3: Or did I just get that from them? Is that
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  Speaker 3: my fear? So it's interesting.
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  Speaker 2: It's so real. It's so true.
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  Speaker 1: Like, yeah, it's force feeding you so many things or
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  Speaker 1: compounding on something that may be like this size of
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  Speaker 1: like a pepper inside of you, like, you know, a
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  Speaker 1: grain of pepper inside of you. And now it's like
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  Speaker 1: my identity and this is my biggest issue. And I
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  Speaker 1: just can't like stress enough for people. I know everyone
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  Speaker 1: convinces themselves you have to do it a certain way
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  Speaker 1: or you have to even, I just want to tell you,
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  Speaker 1: From 20 plus years of experience, you don't. You really don't.
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  Speaker 1: I think people even assume I go about things completely
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  Speaker 1: different than I do. Every meeting I have had in
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  Speaker 1: the last six years, I'll say, if you ask me
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  Speaker 1: about my following count, I'm out.
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  Speaker 2: I don't care.
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: And if that's what you care about, you're not the
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: place for me. I have a real set of skills,
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: a real set of gifts. And like, I don't need
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: to question myself. I don't need to lower my trust
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: for myself because of a zeitgeist that exists right now
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: that will not last, that does not actually matter. And
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: I think you really have to train yourself to have
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: that level of distance between others validation or support of
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: what you're doing. And it's like, that's where the face...
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: Faith muscle gets built in such a massive and compounded way.
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: It's like you could never tell me that something I'm
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: doing isn't it because I also don't need it to
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: be it. Like I understand that the way God uses me,
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: what I'm saying today, it might take off today.
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: It might take off in 10 years.
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: Or it might inspire the person that's going to say
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: and do something that takes off, that helps more. And
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: I trust that whatever that path is for me, it's
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: more than enough. Like more than enough because my life
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: is still good. I have a beautiful life that I
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: love with things that are so important to me in
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: it that it's like my witnessing and presence with all
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: of that. I can never let the importance of it
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: leave me. I can never let like the depth of
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: it leave me to care about something that I've learned
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: in 20 plus years of being a working adult. It
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: just doesn't matter. It just really, truly doesn't, it doesn't
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: have real effect on the long-term nature of your life.
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: That's so good. I feel like that's going to free
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: some people because it's just like, you have to, there
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: is this balance of like playing the game. Being outside,
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: being visible, staying top of mind. And then there's this
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: reality that like that burns you out, that wears you
• 18:59
  Speaker 3: out over time. And the people who have decided and
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: committed to their assignment, their journey, really always find their things.
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: Always.
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: Period.
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: Because it's what God wants. So if it's blessed by God,
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: we worried about little resources. He's like, baby, I'm hanging
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: stars in the sky. Stop playing.
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: Girl.
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: I'm infinite. What do you want? Let's talk. I'm infinite.
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: I'm going to provide. If I send you there, I'm
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: providing for you on the way there. I'm going to
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: figure it out. You're going to go. I'm going to
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: give you the things.
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: And you know what's so interesting to me about things, right?
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: And I think about this, especially with someone like you
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: and some of what you just shared. You've had really,
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: really deeply powerful moments owning stages in a multitude of ways, right?
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: Because like you have been in amphitheaters of faith, right?
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: Like the work that you do with Sarah Jakes Roberts,
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: you know, and so many others in that space. And
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: then also it's like on a red carpet or having,
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: you know, really profound conversations with Academy Award winners or,
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: you know, like the power and the potency and the
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: real effect and value that that has, right? Because The
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: way your light works, you are, I.
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: Mean, girl, like you are very special.
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: And this halo and this radiance that exists in and
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: through and around you, you're lighting up someone's life just
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: because you're standing in front of them. Then you open
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: your mouth, right? you're blessing them because the thing about
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: you is before you ask a question, you pour into
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: the entire person of everything that you see and feel
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: from them. Like you give it so much thoughtfulness. Then
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: you're bringing their work to life, right, for the audience.
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: And when you think about the power and the depth
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: of the sacred exchange that that really is, and then
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: it's being recorded. So people in the audience are seeing
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: it and then people will receive it for time to come, right?
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: How silly would it be to undermine your calling to
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: trivialize it and minimize it down to, did my.
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: Post about it do well?
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: How absurd.
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: Like, None of this means anything because I didn't get
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: over this many likes or comments. The work is already done.
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: It's already in motion, moving through the world. It doesn't matter.
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: In this weird game that we play of thinking, well,
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: if that one thing happens, then da-da-da-da-da. How many things
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: have you done? How many things have we done? It's
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: never one thing that's going to do da-da-da-da-da-da.
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: It's the bigger.
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: Meaning of your life that is taking place through the
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: work that you do.
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: And it's like.
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: We cannot lose sight of that. Like those of us
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: that are here with big works in whatever ways that
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: we share it, like we cannot lose sight of that.
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: For platforms that are going to disappear at some point.
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: I mean, they could go down today. And what would happen?
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: Would we still? And yes, we'd still be effective. We'd
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: still have gives.
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: Girl.
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: These things really don't. They really shouldn't. But that's a
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: whole thing.
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: And if it just lights up for the person in
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: the grocery store, okay, thank you.
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: I still have everything I need.
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: Okay, okay, wait, wait, wait. Because I really want to
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: dive into this moment of what you're bringing into life.
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: But then I also want to have one last thing
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: to say about your man that I want to touch on. Okay.
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: You know what I think is really powerful, especially for good,
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: good women that find right relationship and love?
• 23:09
  Speaker 4: Mm-hmm.
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: Not just is he now like the accurate mirror for you,
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: someone that can see you without your mask and really
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: like reflect back, but also good women deserve, who are
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: working really hard, just the feeling of love and tenderness
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: to come home to, being hugged, being held, having depth
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: of intimacy in all the forms, like how that actually
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: represents replenishes a woman's body and soul it's just like
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: i i i did this um i did this event
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: in new york we were talking about it earlier this
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: um the mental wealth expo.
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: Wealth expo and you were like the curator this year
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: yeah so you didn't just you was the one it
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: was different this year yeah it felt different and so
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: i could tell debbie was Congratulations, sister.
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: Thank you so much.
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: And to you and Charlamagne and to all the folks
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: who bring this to life, but especially.
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: Proud of the work you did. Thank you so much. He,
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: I mean, he, yeah, that is my brother and he
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: has been bringing this to life for six years. It
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: is a completely free event with some of the most
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: powerful mental health programming that happens in the tri-state area.
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: So when I'm working, I was in talent, right? I
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: was in producer mode. So I'm like there and I'm
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: just like, I always fast on big work days, like
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: And I'm just focused. And so it's.
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: A long day. Wait, hold on. Fast before or the
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: whole day you're not eating?
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: I typically fast during the day. I don't say that
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: I recommend that for anyone. That's just what works for
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: my body.
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: But we forget to eat. Like when we're really in it,
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: my sister has to literally be like, hey, sit down.
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: And I find that I.
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: Work better in that way personally. Like it just, I
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: work with who I am better when I'm hollow. When
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: I'm like that kind of clear physically, mentally, emotionally inside.
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: I'm not saying that's a good idea for anybody, but
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: it's the recipe that works for me. And then I
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: usually have like a feast that night. You know, like
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: I'm like, give me.
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: Like three burgers.
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: Exactly. My sister be like, yo, you got to eat.
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: But then I'm like, I honestly, I'm so in it.
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: I cannot, like, I don't even think about it.
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: And then it's going to slow me down.
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: I don't need it.
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: I don't want to have to pop into the potty.
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: I don't want to have to, you know, la, la, la, la, la. Yes.
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: But when I got out of it, I was really
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: like feeling grateful for my partner in my life right
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: now because I made it back to the hotel. And
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: there was just a DoorDash waiting for me with an
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: acai bowl, three sparkling waters.
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: And like multiple bananas. And that's what I love.
• 25:47
  Speaker 4: Wow.
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: And I was like.
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: That's so beautiful.
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: Man, like that is what.
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: you know, when we have women who are so excellent
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: talk about the journey of having to delay or forfeit
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: partnership because of, you know, the bigness of their life
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: or their career or the work they've done on themselves.
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: It's like, we deserve that kind of like tender care,
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: like that kind of what we don't have to think
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: about in addition to like the.
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: Physical love that we get to share with another.
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like the.
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: Truth of like, When I was, because I probably didn't
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: date for, like, 400 years. Like, it felt like I
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: really didn't. I was, like, I had dated on and off. Like,
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: my last serious relationship was in my early 20s. I
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: had dated on and off in New York, dated on
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: and off in L.A. But, you know, that gets really weird.
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: Sometimes the men, you know, they want to be the
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: gift and all the things. And ain't nothing wrong with L.A. Well, actually,
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: there is something wrong with L.A. It just wasn't my perfect. Yeah,
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: not my jam.
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: LA and New York are very unique places to date.
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: And New York, at least I can remember I'm fine
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: in New York because there's always going to be a
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: man on the corner like, hey, ma, what you doing?
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: Where you going? Here, it's like, sorry, excuse me. I'm
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: looking for a Kardashian. Like I'm like, bro, like it, it,
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: it started to mess with me. I had to go
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: to the East coast a couple of times just to
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: remember that I'm fine. Like it was really starting to
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: get to me. The loneliness that I started to feel,
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: the craving that I wanted for love was getting so
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: loud that it started to, I started to pray like, God, just,
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: just like help me settle in contentment with being a
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: rich auntie because my heart feels like it's breaking right now.
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: And I don't want to walk in spaces like, You
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: and I understand this as people who help move rooms.
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: If your energy is off, the whole experience is off.
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: We can fake it, but someone can ask you, how
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: you doing? And now you in tears, and now everybody
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: worried about you. And it's not even that deep. So
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: I'm like, Lord, I don't want to... be carrying this heaviness.
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: Please help me because I'm not okay right now. I
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: feel so lonely. I feel so alone and my heart
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: is so broken. And your friends do the best that
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: they can. They're like, oh, he's coming, girl. Just keep
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: it up, child. Three, after five years of that, you're like, please.
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: I don't know if he's coming anymore. And I started
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: to allow- Who are you talking to? And I'm like,
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: where is he? Can you talk? Can you get him faster?
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: I told God in prayer and I told my boyfriend
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: this now. I was like, when he comes, I'm jumping
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: him for taking so long. Like- I'm going to just
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: get one good that I haven't punched him or anything.
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: Don't worry, y'all. But that's how upset I was. And
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: I remember feeling like when we first got into our
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: groove of him checking on me, him covering me, and
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: not only me, my family. When I'm not in D.C.,
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: he's making sure my parents are good and they're shoveled out.
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: I'm like, this is what the girls had this whole
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: time I was out here just living life. I'm out
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: here just, you know, like I used to look forward
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: to getting back to my room and just watching a
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: good movie and going to bed after like, you know,
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: just traveling. Now I'm like, okay, like I have a
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: person that's wanting to know like, how did it go?
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: You good? Are you in the room? Like, They understand
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: if I'm not talking no more because I don't have
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: no energy left to give. But love you. I'm going
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: to call you later. Like, he's been the most patient
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: and giving person. And we have our things. Like, don't
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: get me wrong. And it is the deepest emotional work, too.
• 29:22
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: Because, like, you really have to consider someone else. I
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: had a lot of blind spots. You think you heal.
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: Get into a relationship. And get into a relationship.
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: And they're like, did you really have to say it
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: like that? And I'm like, say it like what? I
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: didn't say anything crazy. Like that was kind of condescending.
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: And I'm like, no, it wasn't. But then if I,
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: but then if I respect you and I hear you,
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: I have to hear you. Like, how did I say it?
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: How did it sound to you? Because that's not how
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: I meant it. Okay. Let me learn how to speak.
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: Like there's a whole. dialect that you have to learn
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: in relationships and so it's been making me put on
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: my big girl panties in a lot of ways and
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: then I sit and look at this thing that we're
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: creating and I'm like okay it's beautiful yeah it's really
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: beautiful it's it's relationships are work but they're really beautiful
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: work of bringing together two lives that is is wildly
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: important But we can't sugarcoat it. Like the pictures are cute.
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: Like we love the pictures and we love the nights
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: out and things like that. But like.
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: It's real effort.
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: It's real effort. Like if your partner's not okay and
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: you're having a long day, you got to put on your,
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: get you some tea or whatever and sit and talk.
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: It's the person God entrusted you with.
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: Just making a date night once a week. That's not it.
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: That's not it.
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: That's not it.
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: It's a daily work. Like you're doing okay.
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: So effortful.
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: It's so effortful. So then when you're. used to building
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: something on your own time. So now, you know, you
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: take a little to me, me, myself, take two, three
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: hours in the morning before I really want to do
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: anything to chill. Now I'm like, dang, I have to
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: like really get up and do my things because this
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: time and the evening belongs to us. And if I
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: say I want this, so this time is stretching me
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: in like finding my rhythm and finding a new way
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: to be after 2020. plus years, 15 years of being
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: in it by myself, I'm like, oh, this is what
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: it's like to build with someone. So it's beautiful and
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: it's a lot, but it's beautiful. Ooh, girl. Growing up.
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: It's crazy, y'all.
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: I want to dive into Creatives of Faith, and it's
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: been really cool watching you build that.
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: Thank you.
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: Crazy sister.
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: I remember a couple years ago, we were in Martha's Vineyard.
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: Oh, I think I know what you're talking about.
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: Go, go.
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: We were at this dinner. Yes, it was Issa, and
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: it was Harborview.
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: And Abby Phillips.
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: Abby Phillips, Shereen at Warner Brothers.
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: It was, yeah, really, really, really beautiful dinner, beautiful night.
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: I forget all the inner pieces, but I just remember
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: we were in the corner, we had a conversation and
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: we were kind of talking about, I felt like you
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: were being too hard on yourself. which now you've clarified
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: me that you were.
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: It was all real.
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: I felt it.
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: It's all true, yes. See, when we don't show, like
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: when we're not okay, our people can see it. But
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: I'm glad you're my people because you got me together
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: that night. Keep going.
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: Well, and I remember noticing because it's like, it's everything
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: you said at the beginning of this episode. We create
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: this false narrative and it is so easy to lock
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: into it as if it's truth. Come on. And then
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: you're only saying it to yourself. So no one else
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: can check you on it, on the fact that girl, no,
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: that ain't true. What are you talking about? And I
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: remember like, I, you were sharing kind of what you
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: shared at the beginning.
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: Of this episode.
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: It was just this completely false, insane belief that like
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: what you weren't already doing, you know, that it wasn't
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: already like really powerful and really incredible. And, deeply in
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: your gifts and service and that it was really seen,
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: that it was like actually truly celebrated because the way
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: it needed to line up in our youngest version of
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: self and the way we idealize and envision our future,
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: it's like one piece might've been missing and so it
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: seemed like it wasn't existing. And I just remember, yeah,
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: I just remember seeing that, feeling that, understanding that deeply
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: and just being like, and it's not true. Like, this
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: is not true.
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: You yoked me up. It was like, Gia, no, I'm
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: not letting you stay.
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: No.
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: But also it's like.
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: Everything came in. And I feel like that is the
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: thing with each of us. Like we have to say
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: out loud that like.
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: Actually that is not true.
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: Whatever this weird shit is that.
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: I'm thinking and feeling, it's not true. It's not true.
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: And as soon as we say that and surrender it,
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: surrender that like chip and burden. Come on. Come on.
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: It's like God's like, oh, now you're fertile soil ready
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: to receive like the truth and you'll see the power
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: of it. And so we haven't even talked about any
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: of that since and just seeing like the last two
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: years of like stuff you've been bringing to life, like
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: ways that you've been like just like owning the depth
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: and power of like what you are and have been.
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: So tell me, like walk me through.
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: Wow. this vision for what you've created, who it's serving,
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: how it's serving.
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: I love this. First of all, I'm honored to be
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: here back with you because I swear you're like a
• 34:51
  Speaker 3: beautiful checkpoint. Like, are you on it? Are you in it?
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: Let's talk about it because it's so good. And I
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: remember that night you telling me like, it's so much
• 35:00
  Speaker 3: more for you. Please stop. Stop doing that to yourself.
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: And I really needed to hear that. The Vineyard is
• 35:06
  Speaker 3: a very special place. I'm sad I didn't get to
• 35:07
  Speaker 3: see you this time. I was like, where is Debbie?
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: Girl, I brought my son this year. So mostly it
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: was like we were on bike rides and we were like, yeah,
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: that's the best. Getting our ice creams together.
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: Oh, I'm sorry. I got to hear about the baby's
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: experience after this. But I say all that to say.
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: So in 2020, when we were all going through all
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: of the pandemics and the shifts, I was one of
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: those people at home taking an online class because we
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: just couldn't be still.
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: What I would give for the pandemic right now, tell
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: me to keep my ass home.
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: I say that, but I'm scared.
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: Because... I feel like this version, like we were all good.
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: We was ordering our Amazon packages and things.
• 35:48
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I feel like this version of the pandemic, people
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: are like one paycheck away from not being good.
• 35:54
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: So I'm like, I want a slow down, but I
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: want to make sure people are okay as if we
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: slow down because I think it's getting really real. But
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: I say all that to say in 2020, that's when
• 36:06
  Speaker 3: things really started shifting for me. When I started taking
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: therapy seriously, like that was really important for me because
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: I realized that the, the applause and the busyness was
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: taking me away from the healing that I really needed
• 36:17
  Speaker 3: to do for myself. And so I had to start
• 36:19
  Speaker 3: on that journey. And it's interesting that the business school
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: came at the same time, but it was like a
• 36:23
  Speaker 3: Britain co online business school for like creative entrepreneurs. And
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: one of the instructors asked us, what is the thing
• 36:31
  Speaker 3: that like keeps you up at night? When you think
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: about the thing that, that keeps you worried or concerned,
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: what is that thing? Cause that's probably a part of
• 36:40
  Speaker 3: your purpose in your, in your assignment on this, on
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: this side of, like what are you really trying to
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: do and when I thought about it I was like
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: I really want creatives to stop giving in so easily
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: on their assignment I really want community for people because
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: every single time that I've given up my community has
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: led me back to the space of understanding that this
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: is so much bigger than me and the depths of
• 37:07
  Speaker 3: sadness and darkness I would go to of when things
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: wouldn't work out, when rejection would come. When I tried
• 37:14
  Speaker 3: to handle it by myself, I would end up giving up.
• 37:16
  Speaker 3: It wasn't easy for me to do that dance. And
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: eventually my friends were the ones that were able to
• 37:23
  Speaker 3: be like, I need you to, you know, come on,
• 37:26
  Speaker 3: come back over here. And I realized the importance of
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: community and the importance of also understanding that this is
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: all God's plan. And so I.
• 37:35
  Speaker 3: Had the idea. And I was like, well, I just,
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: I think there needs to be a creative community where
• 37:39
  Speaker 3: we like build our spiritual skill sets and our faith
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: skill sets as we are serving the creative ones too.
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: I was.
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: Loving everything that I was experiencing. But like, you know,
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: in the hip hop and music industry, TV, film, like faith,
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: especially now it's more, I think more present. But back then,
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: like in those 2020s, like 2010s, I remember like someone
• 38:01
  Speaker 3: on a radio show I was working for at the
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: time being like, oh, but she's so into that faith stuff.
• 38:06
  Speaker 3: And I've heard like men in the New York days,
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: like a couple of my homeboys was like, yeah, I
• 38:10
  Speaker 3: got friends who think you fine, but they think you
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: just too religious, like too faithed up. And I was like,
• 38:16
  Speaker 3: This is wild. Like, okay, sure.
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: I love God too much?
• 38:20
  Speaker 3: Okay. Okay. What? So then... I was like, I feel
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: like it just needs to be called Creatives of Faith.
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: And I was just like, no, because somebody already has that.
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: That's so obvious. And I looked online. It wasn't there.
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: Nobody had bought it. Unique Jones Gibson always says, buy
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: the domain and save it for later. Even if you
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: don't use it, you can sell it. If you have
• 38:45
  Speaker 3: an idea, immediately buy the domain. So I bought the domain.
• 38:48
  Speaker 3: I got all the pages and this was 2020. And
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: for four years, I was just like, procrastinating, like literally
• 38:56
  Speaker 3: just like, okay, so I have this site. So me
• 38:58
  Speaker 3: and my friend Akiva, who is like my main designer
• 39:01
  Speaker 3: and amazing designer, um, she had built out the site
• 39:04
  Speaker 3: for me. We had gone through like literally Debbie, like
• 39:06
  Speaker 3: 15 iterations of the site. Like I had so many
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: things in my mind playing like, well, I'm not a pastor.
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: So people won't want to follow anything that I do
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: talking about faith. And I'm not where I want to
• 39:17
  Speaker 3: be in my career. So people won't really want to
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: be a part of it. Like everything was just like
• 39:22
  Speaker 3: telling me like, no, no, no, no, no. And so
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: this last- Which, how ridiculous. I know.
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: That is hilarious.
• 39:29
  Speaker 4: Isn't it?
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: But that's what, that's.
• 39:31
  Speaker 3: What was happening. And mind you, I'm seeing in real time,
• 39:35
  Speaker 3: all of these people build beautiful things and beautiful spaces. Like,
• 39:39
  Speaker 3: you know, you don't go to a woman of all
• 39:41
  Speaker 3: of conference and come back the same. You just don't
• 39:43
  Speaker 3: like Sarah has cultivated such an amazing space of leaders
• 39:47
  Speaker 3: and pastors and her own journey that has allowed people
• 39:51
  Speaker 3: to be in a space of praise that like in
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: worship and word that you cannot leave the same. Like
• 39:58
  Speaker 3: you just cannot. And so years go by, I'm doing that.
• 40:01
  Speaker 3: And then every year I'm doing CultureCon with Imani. And
• 40:05
  Speaker 3: I was the first host, one of the first hosts
• 40:07
  Speaker 3: of CultureCon when it was in a little WeWork Brooklyn lobby.
• 40:11
  Speaker 3: And so like two years ago, I watched Sarah take
• 40:16
  Speaker 3: Woman Evolved and the mantle of Woman Thou Art Loosed.
• 40:19
  Speaker 3: And I watched her walk to the stage when Bishop
• 40:22
  Speaker 3: Jakes was like covering her with his jacket. It's like
• 40:25
  Speaker 3: a viral video. And he was like, I'm handing you
• 40:28
  Speaker 3: the mantle now. And you could see her shaking. Like
• 40:33
  Speaker 3: her whole body was shaking.
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 40:35
  Speaker 3: You're taking on this mantle. One year, Woman Evolved was
• 40:39
  Speaker 3: 3,400 people at the Potter's house. The next year it
• 40:43
  Speaker 3: was 30 to 40,000 people at Globe Life Field in Dallas.
• 40:49
  Speaker 3: So I'm like, Jesus, this is crazy. Watching Imani build
• 40:55
  Speaker 3: CultureCon year after year goes from 500. I wasn't there
• 40:59
  Speaker 3: in the apartment when it was just 12 people, but
• 41:01
  Speaker 3: it goes from 200 to 1,000 to the next year, 5,000,
• 41:06
  Speaker 3: next year, 8,000. Now this year, 12,000. It's so big
• 41:10
  Speaker 3: that they have outgrown the Brooklyn Navy Yard. And so
• 41:13
  Speaker 3: I've always seen both of those spaces. And every time
• 41:16
  Speaker 3: I would go to a woman evolve, I would want
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: to know a little bit more about the business structure
• 41:20
  Speaker 3: of these women who are killing the game. Like, yes, Dr.
• 41:23
  Speaker 3: Anita and all these amazing folks that we love are
• 41:26
  Speaker 3: also business women that have books and ideas and brands
• 41:29
  Speaker 3: and cultures. You are one of them where you're like,
• 41:33
  Speaker 3: I love that you get to work in purpose, but
• 41:34
  Speaker 3: how does the business work behind it? And how did you...
• 41:36
  Speaker 3: Tell me about the understanding of your blueprint and like
• 41:39
  Speaker 3: how you actually apply your purpose and your faith to
• 41:41
  Speaker 3: what you do. How does it fuel what you do?
• 41:43
  Speaker 3: And then I would go to Woman Evolve and get
• 41:44
  Speaker 3: these beautiful moments. And then I would go to Culture
• 41:47
  Speaker 3: Con and it would be like a Ryan Coogler on
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: the stage or some amazing filmmaker or writer. And they
• 41:53
  Speaker 3: would say, you know, I just got this idea. I
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: was praying and meditating and just move on. And I'm like, no,
• 41:58
  Speaker 3: what was the prayer? I want to know. What was
• 42:00
  Speaker 3: the meditation? What was the practice? And so I was like,
• 42:03
  Speaker 3: I wish there was a space. And I was like, oh,
• 42:04
  Speaker 3: maybe I'm supposed to build it. And so that's where
• 42:08
  Speaker 3: Creatives of Faith lives at, that intersection of understanding that
• 42:12
  Speaker 3: we are, creativity and faith are intrinsically connected. How do
• 42:18
  Speaker 3: we do that work of walking out our assignment together?
• 42:21
  Speaker 3: How can we make sure that if I'm connected to you,
• 42:25
  Speaker 3: that I'm not only rooting for you in the post,
• 42:27
  Speaker 3: but I'm praying for you on the way to you
• 42:30
  Speaker 3: getting to that position? Like, how am I not letting
• 42:32
  Speaker 3: you fall? And so how that ended up working was,
• 42:36
  Speaker 3: We were at Accelerate Her in Miami. That whole week
• 42:41
  Speaker 3: was crazy, Debbie. Oh, I just, it was wild. So,
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: you know, they have like on the ground coaches, Dr.
• 42:49
  Speaker 3: Naima and so many amazing folks are there.
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: Kim does amazing. Yes.
• 42:54
  Speaker 3: Yes. Shout out to Kim Blackwell, Accelerate Her.
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: Well, I don't know how it works. You know, chic.
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: It's her invite only rooms. I don't know. I don't
• 43:02
  Speaker 3: want to tell.
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: It's an amazing summit.
• 43:03
  Speaker 3: It's an amazing summit.
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: She does an incredible job.
• 43:06
  Speaker 3: And she has these coaches there that are able to
• 43:09
  Speaker 3: sit with you and help you. And that first year
• 43:11
  Speaker 3: she had like 12 and I think there were still 12.
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: And so we all got really cool. And Naima is
• 43:18
  Speaker 3: able to see, like she looks you in your soul.
• 43:22
  Speaker 3: Like she's able to sit and see like, what do
• 43:24
  Speaker 3: you really want?
• 43:24
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 43:26
  Speaker 3: And so I was excited to go back, but sometimes
• 43:29
  Speaker 3: these conferences are benchmarkers for me. Like, what have I
• 43:32
  Speaker 3: accomplished in this past year? Because I never want to
• 43:35
  Speaker 3: feel like I'm furniture in the room. I never want
• 43:38
  Speaker 3: to be like, oh, and G's going to be there.
• 43:41
  Speaker 3: And sometimes when you grow up as little sis, you
• 43:45
  Speaker 3: feel like you're not contributing anymore. Like, oh, she's the
• 43:48
  Speaker 3: cute girl that, like, hypes up the room. And I'm like,
• 43:51
  Speaker 3: I know I'm more. I know I have more to offer.
• 43:53
  Speaker 3: And so, so much was happening. A brand that I
• 43:55
  Speaker 3: deeply love working with on a back-end call told someone
• 44:01
  Speaker 3: that they thought my content was stale. I was too
• 44:03
  Speaker 3: old for their brand. And they didn't want to work
• 44:05
  Speaker 3: with me anymore. And this is all happening. I'm sorry.
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: Excuse me.
• 44:07
  Speaker 3: Child. Okay.
• 44:09
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: And also, who would relay that like that? Child. Okay.
• 44:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah. It was a lot going on.
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: Nah.
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: I'll tell you the full tea afterwards.
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. I want to hear the thing. Yeah.
• 44:22
  Speaker 3: Okay, go. So usually that would have thrown me off
• 44:25
  Speaker 3: and made me be like, wow, this is another chip
• 44:29
  Speaker 3: on my back. Like, these people don't like me, so
• 44:32
  Speaker 3: I know I'm not good enough. And I was really
• 44:33
  Speaker 3: proud of myself because I was just like, okay, that's
• 44:36
  Speaker 3: your thought. Good luck. Some content that I did with
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: them was actually going viral that same week. So I
• 44:41
  Speaker 3: was like, okay. Like, Hey, hey, good luck, whatever. So
• 44:49
  Speaker 3: we get to the event and on the way down,
• 44:53
  Speaker 3: five of my friends that I've worked with over the
• 44:54
  Speaker 3: last like 10 years are texting me and they're like, yo, G,
• 44:58
  Speaker 3: I don't have any work. Creatives are going through the
• 45:01
  Speaker 3: worst time. I mean, every industry has been hit hard
• 45:03
  Speaker 3: by this economy and the targeted gutting of DEI practices, companies, positions,
• 45:10
  Speaker 3: like targeted on our workforce for black and brown folks. And,
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: you know, creatives always get it.
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: And let's be clear, it wasn't because anyone was quote
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: unquote DIY, DEI.
• 45:24
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: Edit the things.
• 45:27
  Speaker 3: Let's be clear.
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: It's not because all of these people were a DEI
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: program and that's what, no, it's, it's an excuse and
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: it's a way to, to eradicate people of color from
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: the workforce.
• 45:41
  Speaker 3: And it's happening in so many levels. But creatives were
• 45:44
  Speaker 3: already gig working people. So when you take away the
• 45:48
  Speaker 3: pipeline of businesses who actually cared to at least add
• 45:53
  Speaker 3: somebody to their board that was black from the 2020
• 45:56
  Speaker 3: uprisings that we had, you know, the black square folks,
• 45:59
  Speaker 3: all of a sudden, all those positions are gone. All
• 46:01
  Speaker 3: that infrastructure that would bring the money to the creative
• 46:05
  Speaker 3: workforce and the projects and the things were gone, are gone.
• 46:09
  Speaker 3: I think they're starting to creep back up. But like that,
• 46:12
  Speaker 3: that first year when everybody was just trying to fall
• 46:15
  Speaker 3: in line and try not to get sued by this administration.
• 46:17
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 46:19
  Speaker 3: It was scary. It is still scary. People are still recovering.
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: So systematized.
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: And it shows what the bigger issue is, right? Because
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: that should not affect.
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: The workforce of color in the world. It should not
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: affect it. It should not have any effect on it.
• 46:36
  Speaker 3: And here we are. And so, my friends, I'm a hustler.
• 46:42
  Speaker 3: It hit me hard. Ooh, child. It hit me so hard. But...
• 46:47
  Speaker 3: I was still working and I was still maximizing the
• 46:50
  Speaker 3: work that I was doing. So people would text me like, hey,
• 46:52
  Speaker 3: I see you're doing these amazing projects. Please let me
• 46:54
  Speaker 3: know if you have anything. And somebody the next day, hey, G,
• 46:58
  Speaker 3: like a lot of media girls are just like on
• 47:01
  Speaker 3: their last. Like it's been really bad. Everybody's just been
• 47:04
  Speaker 3: having to shape and move, move out of L.A., move
• 47:07
  Speaker 3: wherever you got to go to like make sure you
• 47:08
  Speaker 3: don't lose everything you worked for in these last 10
• 47:10
  Speaker 3: to 15 years. And so I have friends who were like, hey, G, like,
• 47:14
  Speaker 3: I don't know if they're looking for any producers or whatever. Like,
• 47:17
  Speaker 3: please let me know. So five texts come through on
• 47:20
  Speaker 3: the way to Ken's event. And I'm like, OK, God,
• 47:24
  Speaker 3: I don't know. This is really sad. I don't know
• 47:26
  Speaker 3: what to do. And then a white man who I
• 47:27
  Speaker 3: haven't worked with in 10 years text me and said, hey,
• 47:31
  Speaker 3: I don't know if you know of any projects, but
• 47:33
  Speaker 3: if you know of anything, let me know. And I said,
• 47:35
  Speaker 3: we got to pray because if this doesn't hit, if
• 47:39
  Speaker 3: this doesn't hit y'all. It's really bad. And I didn't
• 47:44
  Speaker 3: know what to do, but I just knew that we
• 47:48
  Speaker 3: need each other right now. And so I went, I
• 47:50
  Speaker 3: was at church at home in Maryland at Zion church
• 47:53
  Speaker 3: in Greenbelt. And I was in the parking lot and
• 47:56
  Speaker 3: God just told me, just post that you're going to
• 47:58
  Speaker 3: pray for people that you're going to do a prayer
• 47:59
  Speaker 3: call and that, you know, just share what you're feeling
• 48:03
  Speaker 3: right now. And so I post this post and I'm
• 48:05
  Speaker 3: just like, Hey, uh, everybody's not okay. And we had
• 48:09
  Speaker 3: to stop acting like we are like this Instagram, all
• 48:11
  Speaker 3: of this stuff is great, but like nobody's really doing
• 48:14
  Speaker 3: that well. And I feel like we don't know what's next,
• 48:17
  Speaker 3: but we do know who holds the chapter and we
• 48:20
  Speaker 3: need to come together and pray and cover each other. And,
• 48:23
  Speaker 3: you know, it was the first Monday in May and
• 48:25
  Speaker 3: I moved it from Monday to Tuesday because that's Met Gala.
• 48:28
  Speaker 3: So I was like, I don't know, media people might
• 48:29
  Speaker 3: have to work. So let me move it to Tuesday.
• 48:31
  Speaker 3: And I was just like, let's just pray and cover
• 48:33
  Speaker 3: each other because we don't know what this time is
• 48:35
  Speaker 3: going to bring. but we do know that we need
• 48:38
  Speaker 3: each other. And if we could just come together for
• 48:40
  Speaker 3: one night, let's just pray. Um, and this was, this
• 48:43
  Speaker 3: was like the impetus for the creatives of faith prayer calls.
• 48:47
  Speaker 3: And so the next night, over a thousand people were
• 48:51
  Speaker 3: praying with us on virtual zoom for three hours. I
• 48:54
  Speaker 3: called like three of my friends, um, Brenda Palmer, who's
• 48:57
  Speaker 3: an amazing apostle, amazing. Just, she's just an amazing voice
• 49:01
  Speaker 3: of God. She is so powerful. Uh, my friend Ty Headley,
• 49:04
  Speaker 3: who is, um, uniquely called to creatives in the faith space.
• 49:09
  Speaker 3: He has so much word and oil for it. And
• 49:12
  Speaker 3: then my friend, Eric Robinson, who is also like a prophetic,
• 49:15
  Speaker 3: just human being who hears from God in a way
• 49:18
  Speaker 3: that is always on time, always pointed and always able
• 49:22
  Speaker 3: to move people in the direction that they, that they need.
• 49:25
  Speaker 3: And so the three of us, I opened the call
• 49:27
  Speaker 3: with prayer and it just happened to be like the
• 49:30
  Speaker 3: segments were like every 15, 20 minutes, people would come on,
• 49:34
  Speaker 3: tell them what God was saying to them about this season,
• 49:36
  Speaker 3: about creativity, about what it needs. And in the chat,
• 49:39
  Speaker 3: people are going crazy. People are sharing their testimonies. People
• 49:45
  Speaker 3: are getting full fed, getting word, getting confirmation. It's just
• 49:50
  Speaker 3: overwhelmingly great. Lovey, Brittany, and Jovi were on. Brittany and
• 49:55
  Speaker 3: Jovi and I, you know, we have prayer calls and
• 49:57
  Speaker 3: they literally helped me walk through this moment because I
• 50:01
  Speaker 3: was so afraid. I've been holding it back for literally
• 50:05
  Speaker 3: four to five months because I started working on it
• 50:07
  Speaker 3: essentially at the top of 2020, or top of 2026,
• 50:11
  Speaker 3: like trying to build out the infrastructure of what it
• 50:12
  Speaker 3: looks like. But I was teetering and God knew that
• 50:16
  Speaker 3: if it wasn't going to be for me, I would
• 50:18
  Speaker 3: move for others. Like it had to be those five
• 50:21
  Speaker 3: people and then the sixth person. to make me be like, oh,
• 50:25
  Speaker 3: everybody's struggling? Oh, we got to talk. Let's just pray.
• 50:30
  Speaker 3: And so I had built the Mighty Community, and I
• 50:32
  Speaker 3: had been teetering with it, but I was just like,
• 50:34
  Speaker 3: I'm just going to put it out. Let's see if
• 50:35
  Speaker 3: people sign up. And over the first month, we had
• 50:39
  Speaker 3: like 100 folks who are there, and I'm still building
• 50:42
  Speaker 3: it out. One thing about this calling is that you
• 50:46
  Speaker 3: have to grow up in it, And I'm so grateful
• 50:49
  Speaker 3: for the folks who see something in me enough to
• 50:51
  Speaker 3: give me grace to grow up in a calling. Like
• 50:54
  Speaker 3: those are the things that blow me away. And so
• 50:56
  Speaker 3: that was the first night. And then the second night,
• 50:58
  Speaker 3: so I had been putting, pushing off Kev on stage's
• 51:01
  Speaker 3: masterclass for three months. Cause I was still so scared.
• 51:04
  Speaker 3: I was like, no one's going to come. No one's
• 51:06
  Speaker 3: going to come. No one's going to care. So the
• 51:09
  Speaker 3: first time I had to switch because I was like, hey,
• 51:11
  Speaker 3: we're not ready. The second time he was filming something
• 51:13
  Speaker 3: incredible for like two beers and then, you know, doing
• 51:16
  Speaker 3: the Kevon stage. And he was like, I can't make
• 51:18
  Speaker 3: this work, but let me know when's the next date.
• 51:20
  Speaker 3: And so the next date ended up being that week
• 51:23
  Speaker 3: of the prayer call the next day. So I'm like, well,
• 51:25
  Speaker 3: if 900 people came, let me see if people will
• 51:28
  Speaker 3: come to the Kevon stage free masterclass. And that also
• 51:32
  Speaker 3: got like 800 people of with Kev on stage. It
• 51:36
  Speaker 3: was the free experience. It was the opening week of
• 51:38
  Speaker 3: Craves of Faith, which was all free for everybody. And
• 51:41
  Speaker 3: I was for two hours, Kev on stage dragged us
• 51:46
  Speaker 3: about our purpose and knowing that like, this is not
• 51:50
  Speaker 3: about us. It is disrespectful to God for us to
• 51:52
  Speaker 3: have gifts that he gave us and trusted us with
• 51:55
  Speaker 3: and not to use them because of somebody's, He was like,
• 51:58
  Speaker 3: I posted for two to three years with 200 to
• 52:00
  Speaker 3: 300 views as my highest. And then one thing took
• 52:05
  Speaker 3: off and then people saw me. It was like, y'all
• 52:07
  Speaker 3: are so worried about these, this one post not doing well.
• 52:11
  Speaker 3: Y'all are overthinking it. Then Debbie, he makes me set
• 52:15
  Speaker 3: a timer, makes me set a timer. And he's like,
• 52:20
  Speaker 3: I'll show y'all how long it takes me to film
• 52:21
  Speaker 3: and edit a video and post it. He films the
• 52:24
  Speaker 3: video in front of us. He edits it. He puts
• 52:27
  Speaker 3: it together. In seven minutes, he's posted a video. And
• 52:31
  Speaker 3: within 10 minutes, it already had like 20,000 likes. And
• 52:33
  Speaker 3: he was like, y'all are overthinking it. Stop overthinking it.
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: It's a powerful lesson.
• 52:40
  Speaker 3: He's preaching to us. He's literally like, y'all. And this
• 52:44
  Speaker 3: was when he was being dragged, which leave Kev on
• 52:47
  Speaker 3: stage alone. One of the many times he was being
• 52:50
  Speaker 3: dragged on threads. And it was like, I, the, the
• 52:54
  Speaker 3: final question I always ask every creative who leads a
• 52:56
  Speaker 3: masterclass is what is God teaching you in this season
• 53:00
  Speaker 3: that you think every creative on this call needs to know? Like,
• 53:02
  Speaker 3: what are you learning? And he was just like, um,
• 53:06
  Speaker 3: they not going to get it. They're not always going
• 53:08
  Speaker 3: to get it.
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 53:09
  Speaker 3: Noah built an ark and nobody cared. And, and nobody was,
• 53:14
  Speaker 3: nobody was trying to really help anything he was doing.
• 53:17
  Speaker 3: They thought it was crazy because there was no rain coming,
• 53:19
  Speaker 3: but God told him to build his ark. And you
• 53:21
  Speaker 3: can't convince people. You're going to spend so much time
• 53:24
  Speaker 3: convincing people you're not going to do your assignment. You're
• 53:27
  Speaker 3: going to be worried about folks. And I can't be
• 53:29
  Speaker 3: worried about what people think. I have to build my arc.
• 53:31
  Speaker 3: I have to move forward. So that was the first week.
• 53:34
  Speaker 3: And I was like, God, I don't even know what
• 53:37
  Speaker 3: this is. I don't even know how to lead a community.
• 53:39
  Speaker 3: I'm not that. I love people, but I also love
• 53:41
  Speaker 3: to go away from people. I'm really... Take me away.
• 53:46
  Speaker 3: I live for just a cuddle and nobody around. So
• 53:51
  Speaker 3: I'm like, God, I don't know how I'm going to
• 53:53
  Speaker 3: do this because I love people, but not that much. Like,
• 53:58
  Speaker 3: I love your people, but you know, we are a lot.
• 54:01
  Speaker 3: And so I was like, how am I going to
• 54:04
  Speaker 3: do this? And little by little, it's been shaping into
• 54:07
  Speaker 3: this beautiful experience where like the members, we're all family.
• 54:12
  Speaker 3: There are The thing that I've learned so much in
• 54:15
  Speaker 3: these past six months, the first thing is that the
• 54:21
  Speaker 3: Holy Spirit intricately designs our callings to be answered prayers
• 54:27
  Speaker 3: to and for each other. There is no way that
• 54:31
  Speaker 3: I could even articulate how it feels to hear. So
• 54:37
  Speaker 3: we do open monthly prayer calls every, for anybody that
• 54:42
  Speaker 3: wants to join, but we do our own internal like
• 54:45
  Speaker 3: Bible studies and walking with each other, co-working sessions. So
• 54:48
  Speaker 3: now I know like people's business and I'm like, how
• 54:51
  Speaker 3: you doing? How's your auntie doing? What are we doing?
• 54:54
  Speaker 3: Did you move on that? Like now we're all really
• 54:56
  Speaker 3: in it together. And so there, I, I've heard them
• 55:02
  Speaker 3: say like this, I was praying for this type of community.
• 55:05
  Speaker 3: Like I was so alone on my journey and like,
• 55:07
  Speaker 3: just thank you for being obedient. I wasn't, I wasn't okay.
• 55:10
  Speaker 3: I really needed this space. Thank you. And I'm like,
• 55:13
  Speaker 3: I'm over here stressing because I didn't post this and
• 55:16
  Speaker 3: do this and da, da, da, da. And I'm waiting.
• 55:18
  Speaker 3: And then I'm like, oh, but this is the why.
• 55:20
  Speaker 3: You as one person knowing that somebody cares about you.
• 55:23
  Speaker 3: And like we pray for each other. We cover each other.
• 55:25
  Speaker 3: We root for each other. And it's really important to
• 55:27
  Speaker 3: me that I continue to grow up in it and
• 55:31
  Speaker 3: find whatever rhythm I need to be able to over-serve
• 55:34
  Speaker 3: these people that God has entrusted me with. And so
• 55:37
  Speaker 3: it's this weird balance of like being a creative of
• 55:40
  Speaker 3: faith in real time and then building creatives of faith.
• 55:42
  Speaker 3: And so now I'm trying to find that that rhythm
• 55:45
  Speaker 3: of like, I'm not going to let go of everything
• 55:47
  Speaker 3: that I've worked for in my last 15 to 20 years.
• 55:49
  Speaker 3: But it's also like this is a space that God
• 55:51
  Speaker 3: is calling me to build. And so it's been this
• 55:54
  Speaker 3: beautiful thing. But Creatives of Faith is a online community
• 55:58
  Speaker 3: where we and sometimes we do virtual virtual and sometimes
• 56:00
  Speaker 3: we do in real life events where we. deepen our
• 56:03
  Speaker 3: faith and sharpen our creative skills. And we do that
• 56:06
  Speaker 3: through monthly Bible study, prayer calls and classes. Um, and
• 56:11
  Speaker 3: our masterclass experiences are monthly too. And so we've had
• 56:13
  Speaker 3: Kev on stage. We've had Skylar Marche. We have, we've
• 56:16
  Speaker 3: had ex Mayo. We've had Jimmy Jenkins who has a
• 56:19
  Speaker 3: movie coming out called God with us that starts like
• 56:21
  Speaker 3: little rail and all these amazing people. Um, We've had...
• 56:25
  Speaker 3: I feel like I'm forgetting folks.
• 56:27
  Speaker 4: Oh, Lord. Who was.
• 56:28
  Speaker 3: Did I say Skylar? We've had Imani Ellis. Imani showed
• 56:31
  Speaker 3: us the pitch deck for Culture Con. That's how generous
• 56:35
  Speaker 3: the people who are responding to the sound are. They
• 56:39
  Speaker 3: get it. Most creatives really do believe in something higher.
• 56:43
  Speaker 3: You cannot walk this no blueprint journey without it. And so...
• 56:49
  Speaker 3: When I'm hearing from my friends who are like, yeah,
• 56:51
  Speaker 3: I've been in my word and like, you know, it's
• 56:54
  Speaker 3: like the most beautiful thing. And so we do that.
• 56:56
  Speaker 3: We learn from creatives who are really working, who are
• 56:59
  Speaker 3: really doing it, who are really navigating this space and
• 57:01
  Speaker 3: having to hold their faith and let it fuel them
• 57:04
  Speaker 3: and what they want to share, like the lessons, because
• 57:07
  Speaker 3: that's the thing that we're all here to do. Like
• 57:10
  Speaker 3: it even says in the Bible and Proverbs, once you learn, teach.
• 57:13
  Speaker 3: You're supposed to share what you know. You're supposed to share.
• 57:17
  Speaker 3: We're all going to have to walk our own journey,
• 57:18
  Speaker 3: but at least you'll have a little bit of understanding
• 57:21
  Speaker 3: that's like, they said, don't go right there. So let
• 57:25
  Speaker 3: me go left. Or they said, this person is helpful.
• 57:28
  Speaker 3: So let me see if they would help me. Or
• 57:30
  Speaker 3: they said, this opportunity is growing. Let me see if
• 57:33
  Speaker 3: this works. And so we're still learning and growing every day.
• 57:37
  Speaker 3: But it's the most beautiful and toughest and most amazing
• 57:41
  Speaker 3: thing God has allowed me to do thus far.
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 57:44
  Speaker 3: But it is, it's stretching me. Like, it's like when
• 57:47
  Speaker 3: God gives you something, it's going to build whatever you
• 57:52
  Speaker 3: need to build inside of you, whatever God needs for
• 57:54
  Speaker 3: you to develop so that you can sustain it. And
• 57:57
  Speaker 3: that building, that stretching, sister, it's uncomfortable.
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 58:03
  Speaker 3: But I'm like, but if it's God's will, then who
• 58:07
  Speaker 3: am I to like stand in the way of it?
• 58:09
  Speaker 3: And I have so many examples of people who show
• 58:12
  Speaker 3: up and do it. And so every day I'm looking
• 58:14
  Speaker 3: at you. I'm looking at Lovey. I'm looking at Jovi,
• 58:18
  Speaker 3: who's got Soft Landings coming out. I'm looking at Sarah
• 58:22
  Speaker 3: Jakes Roberts. I'm looking at Trey. I'm looking at Brenda.
• 58:24
  Speaker 3: I'm looking at Imani. I'm looking at all of my
• 58:26
  Speaker 3: friends who are like, this is my work.
• 58:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 58:29
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 58:31
  Speaker 3: I get to do this work.
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: I get to.
• 58:33
  Speaker 3: I get to do this work.
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 58:38
  Speaker 3: It's crazy. That was long, but yeah.
• 58:43
  Speaker 2: It was powerful.
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: By saying yes, by being stretched as you go, What
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: does that feel like?
• 59:04
  Speaker 3: I think one of the things that I think God
• 59:07
  Speaker 3: wants for all of us now. is to stop identifying
• 59:11
  Speaker 3: ourselves by titles girl and stop clinging so hard to.
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: Stop making everything your identity.
• 59:19
  Speaker 3: Everything is not your identity and I think God especially
• 59:23
  Speaker 3: for black women because we have been so targeted in
• 59:27
  Speaker 3: this season the 600,000 folks who are out of work swiftly.
• 59:33
  Speaker 3: The folks who were backbones of their community, who were
• 59:35
  Speaker 3: driving Benz's one day and in the food line the
• 59:38
  Speaker 3: next month. Like it's not even a, it's not even
• 59:40
  Speaker 3: a joke being in from the DMV where like a
• 59:43
  Speaker 3: lot of the, the middle class, upper middle class that
• 59:45
  Speaker 3: we know of as PG County and surrounding areas in Maryland,
• 59:48
  Speaker 3: Virginia that had DC government jobs for 20 to 30
• 59:51
  Speaker 3: years that built the black middle class and upper middle
• 59:54
  Speaker 3: class in the DMV. Those folks, families who had jobs
• 59:58
  Speaker 3: for 20, 30 years, job security gone. Wow.
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: Targeted.
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 3: Targeted. And so when I, when I look at it
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 3: from a different lane, I'm like, that had nothing to
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 3: do with what God intended for us to always be.
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 3: And I think we get comfortable sometimes. And so I
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 3: think in this moment, it's like, okay, I gave you
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 3: all that time to stretch those skills. You built that
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 3: person's $ 500 million company. Take those skills and build what
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 3: you really wanted to build the whole time. If you
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 3: can get out your way, if that grief that you
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 3: got to move with, because if you got to figure
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 3: it out, do what you have to do. But like,
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 3: there's still so much beauty in the fact that you
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 3: were able to build stuff for others that now you
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 3: have the chance to build for yourself. You're able to
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 3: return to dreams, return to things that you might not
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 3: have done because it just didn't give you the time
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 3: you needed to invest. And I think God is calling
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 3: us to fully place our identities back in him. And
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 3: so it feels uncomfortable. I've lost more than I've gained
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 3: in the last... That's not true. I've lost things that
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 3: I identified my success on.
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 3: In the past two years that are all external.
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 3: I've had to watch people, you know, do amazing things
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 3: and things that I even prayed to do and be like, dang, well,
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 3: I guess it's not going to happen like that right now.
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 3: And that's all right. Yeah. And then at the end
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 3: of the day, I've learned to be like, I've tried
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 3: it my way. And I had to sit with the grief.
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 3: Like for my birthday this year, I really grieved. I
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 3: didn't want to do anything for my birthday. All my
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 3: best friends like, no, I'm a last minute birthday girly.
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 3: And this year I was like, girl, don't even worry
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 3: about it. I ain't doing nothing. I don't want to
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 3: do anything. If it had not been for my sister
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 3: and my best friend, I would not have done anything
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 3: just because it just was so much grief. I was
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 3: just like, I am 36. I thought at this point
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 3: I would have a kid, a husband, a good house,
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 3: a nice little everything. I wanted to be a little
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 3: more comfortable, a little bit more established. Like all these
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 3: things that I had worked for. these industries don't even
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 3: exist in the way that I wanted to exist in.
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 3: These jobs that I wanted, E! News, Access Hollywood are gone.
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 3: So I really had to sit with that grief of
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 3: letting it go where it needs to go while also
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 3: trusting where God is. Because had I not had Craves
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 3: of Faith at this point, I don't know what that
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 3: birthday would have been like. So I just gave myself
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 3: time to feel it. I was like, feel sad because
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 3: some of these things are not going to happen in
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 3: the way that you want it to. But then also
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 3: remember that the God that created you created your path.
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 3: And this is an infinite God. So if you say
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 3: you serve an infinite God under an open heaven, then
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 3: why would he just have one dream for you?
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 1: God.
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 3: Why?
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 1: That part.
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 3: Why would he just have one dream for you?
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 1: That part.
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 3: So I was just like.
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: And God's dream is never a man-made title. No. A
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: man-made career that's only existed for X amount of years
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: on earth. None of that clocks with God.
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 3: And everything... We know this because we've lived it. Everything
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 3: that we think looks shiny and good is always... somebody's
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 3: thorn is always somebody's hard thing.
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 2: And everything about life is.
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: That is why we have to stop pedestaling and idealizing
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: because doing that to people, places, things in general, it's
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 1: just self-avoidance.
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 3: It's just self-avoidance. We don't even know what they are
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 3: carrying to have to do that.
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: And even if they're carrying absolutely nothing, the projection itself
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 1: is still self-avoidance.
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 2: This quote that.
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 1: People say that I hate, I think it's ridiculous. It's
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 1: like people say, you know, like, well, actually kind of
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 1: like that. It's leaving me right now. But, you know,
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 1: kind of like, oh, don't, you know, don't look over
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 1: there because they may hate their life or, or grass. Yeah,
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 1: it's not. And it's like, you're still looking for a
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 1: default that places you in a hierarchy. You're either frustrated
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 1: because the person's above you or you're trying to feel
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: better about yourself by imagining that in some way they're beneath.
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 2: You, even if it's emotional.
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 1: It's still outsourcing your worth in some capacity and then
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 1: trying to feel better about yourself by imagining someone else
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 1: is grappling with problems.
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 2: We all have problems.
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 1: Congrats.
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 2: Everybody.
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: Everybody.
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 3: Everybody.
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 2: And sometimes their life is great.
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 2: And you're envious for the reasons you're envious.
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: Right. But it's like looking, it's still looking for someone
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: else either to win or fail to make real the
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 1: belief or the limiting thought you're holding about yourself. And
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: it's like we, to extract worth from identity or title
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 1: from worth and identity, you got to get rid of
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: all of it. All of it. Including the desire to say, well,
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: maybe I don't have this because.
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 3: The person that.
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 2: You don't have it.
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 3: You don't have it.
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 2: You don't have it. And that is okay.
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 1: And it's like, when we say things like your will,
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: not mine, Lord, that's what that is.
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 3: And that's what this year has taught me.
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 2: Sorry, I got loud.
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 3: No. Because sometimes you got to clap and let people know. No,
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 3: that's when you mean it for real.
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 3: But I think that's the beauty. That's the beauty of loss.
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 3: Like it reminds you of what really matters. When you
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 3: really look around, and I say this with hope in
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 3: my heart and love for the journey, but when I
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 3: really started to look around at what I thought I
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 3: needed and it was no longer there and I removed
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 3: the value and placed it back on the things that
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 3: are intangible, like my mental health, my peace, my understanding
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 3: of who I am, my ability to figure things out
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 3: my mornings where I can wake up and pray and
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 3: meditate in the mornings where I don't like the mornings
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  Speaker 3: are beautiful for me. I have learned to look up
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  Speaker 3: at the sky and feel grateful if I see the
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 3: sun or not. Like I have learned to really understand
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 3: that this, these things, these accoutrements are amazing, but like, who,
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 3: who are you? What do you want? And so that moment, these,
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 3: These things that were grieving, I've learned to be like,
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 3: was it me?
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  Speaker 4: You know what's so interesting?
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 1: Like, even the dream of, like, a thought that came
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 1: to me as you were sharing, like, even the dream of, like,
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 1: you know, the art titans of the time, right? Like,
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: in Access Hollywood.
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 1: An e-network, right?
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 2: Would you have even been able to prioritize God if
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 2: you were the e-host?
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 3: Who knows? Right?
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 2: Who knows?
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 1: Right? Like what would you then have been wrapped up
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 1: in and how would your time have been taken from you?
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 1: And what are the rooms you would have been in
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 1: where you, it would have changed form, whatever that like,
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 1: you know, measuring was.
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  Speaker 3: It's like none of this stuff, none of this stuff is,
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 3: easy and it takes all of you like we've known
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 3: we've had friends that have worked there and they're like
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 3: girl i couldn't do nothing else like that was it that.
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 2: Was it yeah yeah yeah.
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 3: Or it was great and it was everything or it
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 3: was a horrible experience and so i i in the
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 3: midst of putting things down i've given myself space to
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 3: pick things up that actually matter and now i can
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 3: hold them because i'm not worried about things that don't
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 3: that aren't there Like I think some of us now
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 3: have to do the work of letting things go. And
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 3: if that looks like grieving, do that.
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 1: And so many women of so many, like in the
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 1: retreat and kind of like healing space work that I do,
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 1: I found that that it's something for all of us generationally, right?
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 2: Because like I've.
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 1: Worked with some women who are, you know, in their eldership,
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 1: like they're women in their 60s, right? 70s. And they're
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 1: grieving that because of the time and the era that
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 1: they were young women in, they didn't get to go
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 1: after purpose like any of us.
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 2: Are we crazy?
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 1: Like you used to hear about one to two in
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 1: the nation, women that were quote unquote.
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 2: Bosses or like- Yeah.
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 1: Literally. Or like, you know, a business woman that owns
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 1: some kind of a company that did something that was
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 1: able to rise to the top. And it's like, there
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 1: is a real grief for the boomer generation, for the
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 1: dynamic women of those times that couldn't be their full selves.
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 1: And so much couldn't be expressed. And the generation before that,
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 1: and then for ours, and then for Gen Z. We
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 1: all have our unique grievance about the limitations of our times.
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 1: But to your point, and I think what you're sharing
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 1: really powerfully on this show, it's just letting ourselves... like
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 1: look at those pieces, ask ourself, is that actually true?
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 1: Sometimes it is, sometimes it isn't. And then saying, whatever
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 1: it is, I am resilient, I'm adaptable, I am brilliant, right?
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 1: Like whatever I'm changing form into. And like, I just,
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 1: I resonate with so much. And I think something, and
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 1: I haven't even shared this story with really anybody, definitely
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 1: not on this show, but I'm gonna condense it. I
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 1: was thinking about recently, Gia.
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  Speaker 3: Like.
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 1: For so many of us, right? But then some, you know,
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 1: all of us have our unique reasons, but like Oprah
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 1: Winfrey is the queen of my heart.
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 3: Right, right. Girl, this can moment, sister.
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 1: Oprah Winfrey is the queen of my heart. Miss Winfrey
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 1: changed so many of our lives. In such a multitude
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 1: of ways, right? And I know that there's so many
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 1: people that see one, you see... like who and what
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 1: she is and has accomplished as a woman, as a
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 1: black woman, as a child of adverse childhood experiences, what
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 1: she moved through, right, to be the absolute highest level
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 1: of best to ever do it that's ever been, right?
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 2: So there's that. There's the whole excellence piece.
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 1: There is the, you know, incredible like billionaire piece. There
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 1: is like the global icon piece. Then there's also the
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 1: piece that like this is the gorgeous soul that taught
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 1: me life lessons I didn't get anywhere else because of
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 1: the way my childhood and life was set up, right?
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 1: Like this is the woman that made me not ashamed
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 1: of my own trauma and helped me see worth in
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 1: myself because she was being her unique full self in
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 1: front of people, right? There's so many, so many angles
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 1: of how she's gifted this world, this earth. Consciousness, love, expansion.
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 1: So the version of me, right, that was working in media,
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 1: that was a young veteran, right, that like existed and
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 1: accomplished in.
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 2: The ages that predate social media.
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 1: That version of me, you know, 20 years ago, I
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 1: slept outside on the ground for an opportunity to audition
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 1: for something she was doing, right? didn't get it, never
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 1: got a call back.
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 2: Right. Like, okay, you keep going.
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 1: Right. Like my whole life told me there was something
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 1: that was yet to be revealed or expressed. Right. Like
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 1: that there was meant to be something 20.
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 2: Well, 40 years. I felt that right.
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 1: Like I'm very patient with my life. Like that is
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 1: one of my greatest, um, one of the things I've
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 1: enjoyed in being myself is that I have a lot
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 1: of patience and I don't need.
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 2: Success or life or those things to be fast.
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 1: Like I, I, I'm a be a hundred before I
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 1: leave this place. I got a lot to give in
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 1: a lot of ways. So over the years, many different ways, right?
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 1: Like been in the same room a couple of times,
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 1: you know, like been able to be in the audience
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 1: of various things and you're just like, wow, and amazing. And,
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 1: Every time I've told myself, this is more than enough.
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 1: This is enough. It doesn't have to be that I
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 1: am the next because that's what the whole generation, millions
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 1: of women feel like. Thousands, hundreds of thousands feel like
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 1: I'm supposed to be next. You don't need to be next.
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 3: You are.
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 2: Her life allowed that there doesn't need to be.
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 1: One that comes because she existed and millions are able
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 1: to be more because she existed. That is enough.
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 2: So to be able.
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 1: To shoot forward after all these years since young childhood, right,
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 1: to then be in Cannes and have this moment sitting
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 1: on stage with her on the rooftop of the Carlton
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 1: Hotel in the south of France. In the south of France.
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 1: And have an event where I knew I was being used,
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 1: that it definitely wasn't about me trying to impress the
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 1: audience or even impress her.
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 2: It was me serving.
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 1: And that, I was like, oh, God, I get to
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 1: be devoted to a being that gave me so much.
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 2: And ask for nothing from me.
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 1: And I get to serve in that capacity on stage.
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 1: So to bring all of that to life on the stage, right,
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 1: for the room to erupt in tears, for Oprah to cry.
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 1: Like the first thing she said when she got on
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 1: stage was.
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 3: You keep making me cry.
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 2: You're making me cry.
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 1: You know, and it's like, this is like what we're
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 1: saying in this whole episode. Like when we're saying things like,
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 1: let the way the dream has to, to come to life,
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 1: change form. Let it be in divine timing.
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 3: Let it be God.
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 2: Let it be in trust.
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 1: And also, whatever happens, not only is it more than enough,
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 1: it's incredible. It's awe-inspiring.
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 2: It doesn't have to mean that I have.
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 1: My own TV show on the own network For the fullness.
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 3: Though it could happen, I can see it.
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 1: So many things could happen, you know, but everything that's
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 1: happened is more than enough.
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 1: I'm owed nothing by God. I'm owed nothing by Ms. Winfrey.
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 1: I'm owed nothing by anyone. Everything is more than I
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 1: could have ever imagined. So good. You know, and it's
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 1: just like, that's the part that when we say like,
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 1: let go. Mm-hmm. Release the grip of the way you
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 1: think it has to be. And really let it come
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 1: to life and stop thinking that that's the one thing
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 1: that's gonna make you you. I'm in a whole different industry.
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 1: That conversation, that moment didn't happen because I was still
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 1: in entertainment and I was still pursuing this traditional kind
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 1: of way of being myself and being a communicator. It
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 1: came 10 years after I retired from entertainment. decade. I
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 1: left entertainment 10 years ago next month.
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Wow.
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 1: Beautiful.
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 2: We have space and room.
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 1: And when we stop judging everything about what it means
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 1: we are, or how tall we get to stand somewhere
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 1: because of, or how we're being perceived, or even how
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 1: much we're making, as long as we are making enough
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 1: to survive because we all deserve the dignity of that.
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 1: But it's like, let the dream grow and change form
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 1: and be unknown to you. That is like God's will,
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 1: not yours. Like being in the unknown and it not
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 1: being quantifiable yet.
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 3: Yes. I loved watching- all of the feedback from the room.
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 3: I loved watching the moments where it was just you
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 3: and her. And like, it felt like, I don't know
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 3: who was filming, but they got great shots of just
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 3: you and her. And it was so special to watch
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 3: that sacred exchange. You talked about what we do, but
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 3: it was sacred. And I feel like she was getting
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 3: what she needed from you. And it was this circular
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 3: moment of the things, the seeds that she planted that
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 3: fell on good soil. And then you growing up into
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 3: this tree and offering her shade in a world that's
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 3: not always kind to her. I'm sure she needed to
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 3: feel that. held in the way that you were able
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 3: to hold her in the room, in the space.
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 1: What an honor.
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 3: You are often holding space for a lot of people.
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 3: but I know how special it must feel for the
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 3: dream to still come true, even though it didn't look
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 3: like what you originally imagined. It's better than I could
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 3: have imagined.
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 2: Exactly.
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 3: And that's where it comes to. And it doesn't have to.
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 1: Last forever too. That's the thing that we have to realize.
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 1: Even for the dream to be realized, it doesn't mean
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 1: it has to be permanent. Yes.
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 3: And it's like, God, this is in the word, exceedingly, abundantly,
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 3: above all, more than we can ask or think. Like
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 3: that's what we have in God as we surrender to
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 3: the will that he wants for our lives. And so
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 3: if the uncomfortability is what costs me to get to
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 3: surrender in his will, then it just has to cost that.
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 3: And it's going to build what it needs to build.
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 3: And it's going to be uncomfortable. And I'm going to
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 3: be like, yuck, Lord, really another mess. But I've seen
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 3: glory on the other side of the uncomfortability so many times,
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 3: which is why it's so important that we share our stories.
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 3: Because it's too many people that give up because it's uncomfortable.
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 3: Because we have to look like beginners. Because we're not
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 3: used to being in these spaces. Because somebody doesn't quite
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 3: get it for you. Who cares if somebody gets it?
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 3: Do you get it? Did you get it from God?
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 3: Then like you have to go and and and I
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 3: think the beautiful part about your story is that like
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 3: God will still give you the desires of your heart
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 3: when you follow him in place, whatever it is that
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 3: you're defining yourself by to the wayside. So you can
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 3: get to the life that he has for you. Like
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 3: the original thought, the one, like, I'm always like, God,
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 3: how can I, am I becoming more like what you
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 3: thought when you created me? Like looking back at the
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 3: threads and the through lines, like there's so many things
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 3: I have to get back to that are going to
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 3: be uncomfortable. And like, You know, I grew up singing,
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 3: dancing and acting and all that stuff. And so it's
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 3: like this, this building creators of faith is one thing.
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 3: But I also have to build the courage to like
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 3: go back out and share and explore these gifts again.
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 3: And I don't know what it's going to be. I
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 3: might just be doing like local theater, but I would
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 3: love to do that. I would love to go back. And, and,
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 3: and when I get to heaven, God be like, girl,
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 3: you really did everything, huh? You just didn't, you just.
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 2: You didn't leave nothing on that table.
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 3: That's what I'm trying to do. And so it's like
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 3: at the end of the day, if I have to
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 3: build this space on the way to that, if I
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 3: have to find the rhythm, if I have to like
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 3: get in this like mental gym where I build new
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 3: neuro pathways for myself to see myself differently and show
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 3: up as her more, I just got to do the work.
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 3: It's hard and yuck, but it's going to be great.
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 2: It is effortful, but it is why we're here.
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 1: Like, what is the point of being alive on earth
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 1: if not all of this?
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 3: Oh, Chia.
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 1: I love this. Yeah.
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 1: At the end of every episode, I love to extend
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 1: to each guest. to offer a piece of soul work
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 1: for the audience. So this can be a practice. This
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 1: can be a quote, a thought starter, a journal prompt,
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 1: absolutely anything to just really spend time with and integrate
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 1: everything that was said.
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 3: I love this. The thing that I've been really sitting
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 3: with lately is like a lion is a lion, whether
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 3: they're in a zoo, a jungle, or somebody's backyard. You're
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 3: going to be what you are, wherever you are. What
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 3: are the parts of you that you haven't let roar?
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 3: What are the parts of you that you decided had
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 3: to shrink because of your environment? What are the parts
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 3: of you that you've seen come out everywhere you are
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 3: and that make you special? And what are the parts
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 3: of you that are making you a little dangerous? Like lions?
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 3: Lions might... They can hurt some folks too. They leave
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 3: the jungle for a reason though. They have the capacity.
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 3: A lion is a lion wherever you place a lion.
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 3: When we look at this moment where we're being offered
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 3: this opportunity to rebuild, you are you wherever they place you.
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 3: Where do you want to be though? What do you
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 3: want to say? How can you take that with you?
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 3: What is the you that you are developing and pushing
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 3: through that has the applied lessons that you learned from
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 3: the last 20 years or 30 years or wherever you
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 3: were serving or the last five years. Because there's young
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 3: college grads that come up to me all the time
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 3: and they're like, I can't be an influencer and a
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 3: journalist and an editor and a podcast. I'm like, baby,
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 3: same girl. I don't know. But you are you. There's
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 3: something special about you. And you're going to be you
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 3: wherever you go. And sometimes it's the environment that tells
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 3: you the special things.
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 1: Hopefully.
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 3: Sometimes it's not that. But try to be around folks
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 3: that remind you of the special things that if you
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 3: can't quite see it for yourself, who are you in
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 3: every environment and how can you maximize on that? Even
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 3: in this season where opportunities might not be as abundant
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 3: as before, they'll be abundant again. But who are you
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 3: going to be next time because you've taken this time,
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 3: this non-accidental, this intentional time? to show up and cultivate
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 3: the best parts of you. Because you're still a lion.
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 3: If you take a lion out of a jungle, it's
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 3: still going to be a lion. So don't ever think
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 3: that you have to feel that you are no longer
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 3: who you are because your job title was taken or
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 3: because your show got canceled. More than that got canceled.
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 3: That was one of the first things to go because
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 3: we were a DEI show. So that whole arm got
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  Speaker 3: let go. But thank God we went out swinging. But
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  Speaker 3: I tell people all the time, I'm still an amazing host, producer,
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  Speaker 3: and creative. Where that takes me next, who knows? You're
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  Speaker 3: still who you are. Who do you want to make
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  Speaker 3: sure that that, what are you protecting in this season
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  Speaker 3: and what are you cultivating and how are you taking
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  Speaker 3: that to your next?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, oh, that's good. That is good.
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  Speaker 3: That's the work that I've been trying to do.
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  Speaker 1: A lion is a lion.
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  Speaker 3: A lion is a lion. Like you can. That is
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  Speaker 3: a reason why I'm like, I'm like, I love celebrations
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  Speaker 3: online of the, you know, black women are the fastest
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  Speaker 3: growing entrepreneurship and the fastest. And all those things that
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  Speaker 3: we were celebrating over the last several years. I'm like,
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  Speaker 3: they'd studied that. And they were like, oh, cool. We'll
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  Speaker 3: pull the plug on all of that. Now it's about us,
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  Speaker 3: and we need to be a little bit more communal.
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  Speaker 3: We need to be offline, congratulating each other. Hush.
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  Speaker 1: Hush. Hush it. Right on the creek.
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  Speaker 3: We got to rebuild this.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And it's not going to be based on anything else
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  Speaker 3: other than the fact that you can take the jobs.
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  Speaker 3: You can't take the talent.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: You can't take the gifts. It's so much bigger than
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  Speaker 3: any system administration. Baby, God gave us these gifts. So
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  Speaker 3: tap back in and use them. Align is going to
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  Speaker 3: be aligned. If God made you align, you're aligned.
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  Speaker 1: Girl, mic drop.
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  Speaker 3: We did it again.
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  Speaker 1: We did it again.
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  Speaker 3: I love you.
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  Speaker 1: Girl, I love you. Thank you so much for coming today.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you for joining. Thank you for sharing. the truth,
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  Speaker 1: the beauty, the power of your heart, and this incredible
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  Speaker 1: work that you're doing.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you, sister.
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  Speaker 2: How can everyone connect with Creatives of Faith?
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  Speaker 3: Go to, it's so simple, go to creativesoffaith.com to learn
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  Speaker 3: more about the story, the organization. We are doing our
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  Speaker 3: next prayer call. I don't know when this comes out.
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  Speaker 3: I was going to say the 28th, October 28th. But
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  Speaker 1: Creatives of Faith.
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  Speaker 3: So. com, on Instagram, Creatives of Faith. Some people keep
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  Speaker 3: saying Creatores, and I'm like, no. I mean, there's nothing
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  Speaker 3: wrong with that. But no, it is TIVs, Creatives of Faith. And,
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  Speaker 3: you know, watch out for, you know, some master class
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  Speaker 3: experiences or prayer calls, whatever you're in the need of
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  Speaker 3: that can help you on your creative assignment. Our job
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  Speaker 3: is to keep creatives on assignment from God. the illest
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  Speaker 3: creative of all time.
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  Speaker 1: Gia, thank you so much.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you. I love you. You're amazing. I feel deeply well,
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  Speaker 3: You're making the world a better place because you exist.
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