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Cardinals Blow a Big Lead, Bullpen Needs Ahead of Grueling Stretch · Cardinal Territory: A St. Louis Cardinals Podcast

• 0:08
  Speaker 1: Hello everybody, and welcome back to Cardinal Who.
• 0:12
  Speaker 2: What are you doing here?
• 0:15
  Speaker 1: You're taking them a couple of weeks off? Ah jeez,
• 0:20
  Speaker 1: one week, one week, unbel one All Star Break. Okay, well,
• 0:24
  Speaker 1: welcome back to Cardinal Territory. Apparently Gym's back today, So
• 0:28
  Speaker 1: Jim is gonna do the hosting and Lance and I
• 0:29
  Speaker 1: are just gonna do the talking.
• 0:32
  Speaker 2: But Jim, welcome back. How was your All Star Break?
• 0:35
  Speaker 3: It was great, Jersey Shore. Uh, it was fun. And
• 0:39
  Speaker 3: you guys did a bang up job when I was away, Honestly, Uh,
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  Speaker 3: George said, everything ran smoothly.
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  Speaker 4: You guys were great.
• 0:46
  Speaker 3: Although and I didn't watch the episodes, but I was
• 0:50
  Speaker 3: at my kid's game yesterday and people came up to
• 0:53
  Speaker 3: me and said, oh boy, Kylon Lance. They went after
• 0:57
  Speaker 3: you were gone, they went after I was like, all right,
• 1:01
  Speaker 3: we'll straight into that one. All right, We're good, We're
• 1:04
  Speaker 3: back together. I will tip the cap to you guys
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  Speaker 3: because the shows were great. And I want it on
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  Speaker 3: the record that even though I'm on the boardwalk in
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  Speaker 3: Wildwood on the Beach, I'm still tweeting the show's content
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  Speaker 3: out to make sure people know that we have an
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  Speaker 3: episode coming out so I want I want credit for that.
• 1:25
  Speaker 3: Now let's talk some Cardino baseball. They open up a
• 1:29
  Speaker 3: series in Anaheim and they are coming off a bad loss,
• 1:34
  Speaker 3: I mean terrible. They're up seven to nothing after five.
• 1:38
  Speaker 3: The bullpen wasn't good. This is where Lance can use
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  Speaker 3: a cussword. The defense was terrible, and even the base
• 1:47
  Speaker 3: running was awful. Hopefully they can bounce back. But let
• 1:52
  Speaker 3: me ask you, guys, because you guys are veterans of
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  Speaker 3: Betty Major League Baseball.
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  Speaker 4: Season's Kyle.
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  Speaker 3: When you have a bad, bad, bad law So I
• 2:00
  Speaker 3: understand there's always another game coming, unless you're at the
• 2:03
  Speaker 3: end of the season. But do the really bad ones?
• 2:06
  Speaker 3: Do you blow them right off and flush them, as
• 2:09
  Speaker 3: the players say, or do they linger a while? Honestly,
• 2:11
  Speaker 3: what's the story?
• 2:13
  Speaker 1: Well, I think the whole story has to go into
• 2:17
  Speaker 1: what the season looks like, all right. You know, if
• 2:20
  Speaker 1: you're a bad team, a bad loss just kind of
• 2:24
  Speaker 1: you know, they happen a little bit more frequently, so
• 2:26
  Speaker 1: it is what it is. You try to brush it off,
• 2:28
  Speaker 1: You try to move on to the next one as
• 2:30
  Speaker 1: best you can, and you use them as a learning opportunity.
• 2:34
  Speaker 1: Probably you have a lot of young players use that
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  Speaker 1: as a learning opportunity. See if you can, you know,
• 2:38
  Speaker 1: help walk them through a few of the situations. You
• 2:41
  Speaker 1: know why it happened, how you can avoid it. As
• 2:43
  Speaker 1: a good team, like a really good team, they don't
• 2:46
  Speaker 1: normally face you too much. You're probably square in the
• 2:49
  Speaker 1: middle of a playoff race, or probably ahead of the
• 2:52
  Speaker 1: team behind you by a good chunk, and you're really
• 2:56
  Speaker 1: not worried about it. The teams in the middle here
• 2:59
  Speaker 1: where the Cardinals are. I think this could be a
• 3:02
  Speaker 1: little bit of a tipping point for this team going
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  Speaker 1: one way or the other. It might be it wasn't
• 3:08
  Speaker 1: their biggest loss, right a one run loss, but in
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  Speaker 1: terms of how it happened, maybe their worst loss of
• 3:13
  Speaker 1: the year. The timing of it on the road, chance
• 3:17
  Speaker 1: to win a series against the team right behind you
• 3:19
  Speaker 1: in the wildcard race, a chance to push ahead and
• 3:22
  Speaker 1: really kind of solidify yourself as hey, we need to
• 3:24
  Speaker 1: buy some players.
• 3:26
  Speaker 2: And if they do not win.
• 3:30
  Speaker 1: The series in LA, it's gonna appear to be the
• 3:33
  Speaker 1: loss that kind of started a little bit of a slide.
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  Speaker 2: And they weren't able to recover.
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  Speaker 1: So they got great leaders in this locker room, and
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  Speaker 1: I do not think it's going to carry over.
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  Speaker 2: But it takes a.
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  Speaker 1: Little bit of emotional and mental strength here to kind
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  Speaker 1: of navigate through yesterday and move on to today. I'm
• 3:53
  Speaker 1: sure always doing a great job of it. And these
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  Speaker 1: guys are gonna be ready.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Ali was not happy after the game Lands, but I mean,
• 4:01
  Speaker 3: it was just terrible across the board. Ali basically said
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  Speaker 3: we had no business winning a game like that, which
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  Speaker 3: they didn't. Was it? Was it just a game? Or
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  Speaker 3: are the wheels coming off the wagon?
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  Speaker 4: Right here right now? Is just a game?
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  Speaker 5: Right when it's so bad like that, when like everything
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  Speaker 5: bad happens, it's kind of like, okay, it could be
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  Speaker 5: like a eye opening awakening for the second half, being like, hey,
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  Speaker 5: we can't be shitty in every aspect and expect to
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  Speaker 5: be in this thing when it comes time. So hey,
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  Speaker 5: this is a wake up call, so you know, it
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  Speaker 5: doesn't start rolling downhill and then we're in a really
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  Speaker 5: bad spot. So hopefully that's the way they use it,
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  Speaker 5: and I think Ali will use it that way. It's like, ky, boys,
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  Speaker 5: we've played good enough baseball to be embarrassed of what
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  Speaker 5: happened in this situation. We're too good or too talented
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  Speaker 5: for this to happen in every aspect of the game,
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  Speaker 5: and to lose a game like that for it to happen.
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  Speaker 5: So hopefully they can regroup this series and get a
• 5:03
  Speaker 5: series win. Hopefully it doesn't turn into something where it's like, Okay,
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  Speaker 5: we start, you know, harping on all the negatives and
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  Speaker 5: then next thing, you know, we start playing tight and
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  Speaker 5: then we start making more mistakes. So hopefully it's a
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  Speaker 5: learning experience. It's one of those eye opening experiences to
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  Speaker 5: where it says, hey, when we if we play bad,
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  Speaker 5: we will we will look terrible, and that's what you're
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  Speaker 5: gonna see happen. And we don't want to be like that.
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  Speaker 5: We haven't been like that, and we don't want to
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  Speaker 5: be like that. So this series will tell us. I
• 5:32
  Speaker 5: think the next couple series will tell us. It's like, hey,
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  Speaker 5: if it starts happening multiple games a series and stuff
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  Speaker 5: like that, then it's like, Okay, then.
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  Speaker 4: We've got a lot to be worried about.
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  Speaker 5: But right now, it's Hey, we came back from a break,
• 5:44
  Speaker 5: played a couple of close games, first two games of
• 5:46
  Speaker 5: this series, and then we like we just kind of
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  Speaker 5: we ship down our leg in a game that we
• 5:51
  Speaker 5: had a lead, and that's just ugly baseball and that's
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  Speaker 5: not who we are, and that's and we're not gonna
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  Speaker 5: let it happen again. Learn from it, don't let it
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  Speaker 5: happen again, and let's see what kind of push we
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  Speaker 5: can make. So hopefully that's what's being pushed to a
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  Speaker 5: team today.
• 6:04
  Speaker 3: If you're scoring at home, that's two two cuss hoards
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  Speaker 3: for the show, if I think that's the official count. Kyle, Uh,
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  Speaker 3: you're a former pitcher. Lance is a former pitcher, and
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  Speaker 3: the memory serves baseball is really about starting pitching. So
• 6:18
  Speaker 3: you uh, you have a bad game, you you blan
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  Speaker 3: like the bit uh as as some would say does
• 6:25
  Speaker 3: the next day starter put it on his shoulders. It's
• 6:27
  Speaker 3: kind of lahy going tonight against Anaheim. Do you guys
• 6:32
  Speaker 3: put that on your shoulder and go, Okay, time to
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  Speaker 3: write this ship.
• 6:35
  Speaker 4: It's on me.
• 6:36
  Speaker 1: Well, I'm gonna I'm gonna stop you a little bit
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  Speaker 1: here because I think, you know, sure the sixth inning there,
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  Speaker 1: you know, Andre let it let it get away from
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  Speaker 1: a little bit, but got into the sixth inning was
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  Speaker 1: as economical you possibly could be through five innings. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: you know, ended up with a seven round lead, you know,
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  Speaker 1: a couple of walks obviously, you know, really kind of
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  Speaker 1: started that with a singles, and then I think one
• 7:03
  Speaker 1: of his runs, one of his inherent runners scored, so
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  Speaker 1: I still only think his line looked by three. He
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  Speaker 1: left when it was seven to two, So the end
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  Speaker 1: of the inning, it's seven to three after six. As
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  Speaker 1: a starter, sure it's not your cleanest game, but when
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  Speaker 1: the team gives you seven runs, given up three, you
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  Speaker 1: did your job, especially getting into the sixth inning. Sure
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  Speaker 1: you'd love to have that inning not get away from you,
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  Speaker 1: maybe get into the seventh. I get it that's not
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  Speaker 1: always going to be a clean picture like that, but
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  Speaker 1: I don't want to necessarily put this on Andre.
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  Speaker 2: You know, there's a couple of bullpen.
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  Speaker 1: Guys that came in, and how many times has it
• 7:39
  Speaker 1: happened to the Cardinals work the few bullpen guys that
• 7:42
  Speaker 1: come in, all of them end up not having their
• 7:44
  Speaker 1: best outing. They really needed one guy essentially to put
• 7:48
  Speaker 1: up a zero, you know, and that's happened quite a
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  Speaker 1: bit this year. So I'm gonna take the heat off
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  Speaker 1: Andre for this one.
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  Speaker 4: He's been really good.
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  Speaker 1: Just a couple of walks, out in that inning, and
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  Speaker 1: I think some of it could be kind of what
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  Speaker 1: Lance was saying. I think Andre is not like this,
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  Speaker 1: but I think it's easy to start a pitcher to
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  Speaker 1: get into that fifth, sixth, seventh, any with a big lead,
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  Speaker 1: I think you're cruising and kind of take the foot
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  Speaker 1: off the gas a little bit. And this team is
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  Speaker 1: not a team that can do that. Started pitching offense whatever.
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  Speaker 1: I think they might have gotten a little bit relaxed
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  Speaker 1: and a little bit complacent there in the last three
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  Speaker 1: four innings and it.
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  Speaker 2: Caught up to him.
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  Speaker 1: But Kyle Leahy is gonna go out there and he
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  Speaker 1: just needs to throw the ball well like he has
• 8:26
  Speaker 1: been and give a team a chance to win. But
• 8:28
  Speaker 1: I am not going to allow Andre Plante to kind
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  Speaker 1: of wear too much of this because I thought he
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  Speaker 1: threw the ball extremely well except for a couple of
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  Speaker 1: batters in the sixth.
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  Speaker 3: Don't misconstrue what I said, because there's a list of
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  Speaker 3: guys who were contributing to a bad loss last night.
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  Speaker 3: Andre was not on the list. Okay, What I meant
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  Speaker 3: is after the bullpen, the defense gotcha, the base running collapses,
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  Speaker 3: then the starting pitcher of the next day. In this case,
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  Speaker 3: Laby says, you know what, we're past that.
• 9:00
  Speaker 4: Lance.
• 9:01
  Speaker 3: Did you ever have a situation where you're like, okay,
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  Speaker 3: I got this, we need to get back on track.
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  Speaker 3: It's go tume.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, he's going to take out for Plante.
• 9:10
  Speaker 5: That was that was a little his little whipping dog
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  Speaker 5: as a little baby that he brought.
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  Speaker 4: Along with him.
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  Speaker 5: So he'll always have Dra's back, which which Dre needs
• 9:19
  Speaker 5: that because he's had some people undercutting him along the way,
• 9:21
  Speaker 5: so I need someone to build him up. So Kyle's
• 9:23
  Speaker 5: good for that for him. Yes, you want to be
• 9:26
  Speaker 5: the guy that's quote unquote the stopper. I guess when
• 9:30
  Speaker 5: you lose a couple in a row, you want to
• 9:32
  Speaker 5: be the guy that make sure it doesn't turn into
• 9:35
  Speaker 5: a you know, three or four game losing street. You
• 9:38
  Speaker 5: want to be the guy that you know they look to.
• 9:40
  Speaker 5: It's like, okay, our bullpens kind of shot because we
• 9:44
  Speaker 5: had you know, bad, bad game the night before where
• 9:46
  Speaker 5: we had to use you know, five or six arms
• 9:49
  Speaker 5: or something like that. So all in all, you want
• 9:51
  Speaker 5: to be the guy that they look to and say, hey,
• 9:53
  Speaker 5: I know he's going today. I know I'm going to
• 9:55
  Speaker 5: get a quality start. I know I'm gonna you know,
• 9:57
  Speaker 5: we got a chance to win the game. So yes,
• 9:59
  Speaker 5: you put that on yourself because you want that, because
• 10:02
  Speaker 5: that's how you make money in this game, and that's
• 10:04
  Speaker 5: how you become a bona fide major league starter, and
• 10:08
  Speaker 5: you do what you're supposed to do, and that show up.
• 10:11
  Speaker 5: Low quality starts help your team win games. So I
• 10:14
  Speaker 5: would say every guy in the rotation will put that
• 10:17
  Speaker 5: pressure on them are themselves and they should. And I
• 10:19
  Speaker 5: think tonight it's not quite there yet, dire where it's like, hey,
• 10:23
  Speaker 5: we have to have a great start out of somebody.
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  Speaker 5: But yeah, you look out up, you look at it
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  Speaker 5: and be like, hey, we need to go. If I
• 10:30
  Speaker 5: go out tonight and I though seven shutout and we
• 10:32
  Speaker 5: went and we win a ballgame, all's forgotten about the
• 10:34
  Speaker 5: last series. We win this series. Next thing, you know,
• 10:37
  Speaker 5: we're five hundred to start to you know, off to
• 10:39
  Speaker 5: start the road trip on the second half, which isn't bad.
• 10:43
  Speaker 5: So that's where they're at right now, all right.
• 10:46
  Speaker 3: And uh, I think Kyle is certainly well equipped to
• 10:49
  Speaker 3: go out there and give the Cardinals everything they need.
• 10:52
  Speaker 3: And by the way, Cardinal territory very much as a
• 10:55
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  Speaker 3: The Cards just off the All Star break and right
• 12:08
  Speaker 3: now they jump into a twenty game in twenty days situation.
• 12:15
  Speaker 3: Right they had a little rest and everything, and it's
• 12:17
  Speaker 3: right back into the grind. So they're gonna make some moves.
• 12:21
  Speaker 3: There's no question, Kyle, of all the guys in the
• 12:24
  Speaker 3: minor leaguers, right in the minor leagues right now, who
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  Speaker 3: do you want to see you get a shot to
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  Speaker 3: help the Cardinals get through this rough patchable a lot
• 12:32
  Speaker 3: of games in a lot of days.
• 12:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I think when you're playing twenty and twenty,
• 12:40
  Speaker 1: you're gonna need at some point. You're never be gonna
• 12:43
  Speaker 1: need a long guy. Bullpen help is something that is
• 12:48
  Speaker 1: probably gonna be needed. I think at some point we're
• 12:51
  Speaker 1: gonna want to see probably one of these young pitchers,
• 12:54
  Speaker 1: whether it's a Clinton, Matthews or somebody like that, come up.
• 12:57
  Speaker 1: You know, wouldn't mind seem dobbin some like that getting
• 13:02
  Speaker 1: an extra chance and and really kind of getting some
• 13:05
  Speaker 1: good innings. You know, I think there's there's a couple
• 13:09
  Speaker 1: of players probably I think offensively they've been swinging about well.
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  Speaker 1: So I don't necessarily think this team needs a spark
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  Speaker 1: that way. But I'm assuming there's gonna be a picture
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  Speaker 1: that needs to come up and and really maybe it's maybe.
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  Speaker 2: It's as simple as.
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  Speaker 1: Hey, uh, you know, we've got a six or seven
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  Speaker 1: run lead here, We're gonna put you in to finish
• 13:27
  Speaker 1: this game and get your first career save or something
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  Speaker 1: like that. You know, just something something cool that injects
• 13:32
  Speaker 1: a little bit of life and and saves a few
• 13:35
  Speaker 1: arms down there.
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  Speaker 2: I think that could be needed at some point.
• 13:38
  Speaker 4: How about you lance.
• 13:41
  Speaker 5: Idea, when you get to this many games in this
• 13:44
  Speaker 5: many days, you're looking at you're looking at the pictures, right,
• 13:47
  Speaker 5: you know, is it is it time to you know,
• 13:50
  Speaker 5: who's going to come up and be a guy you're
• 13:52
  Speaker 5: looking at you know, the team kinses in the world
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  Speaker 5: and stuff like that. Is it are we bringing them
• 13:58
  Speaker 5: up to? You know, I'll maybe showcase them to add
• 14:02
  Speaker 5: to at the same time. I remember in the past
• 14:04
  Speaker 5: they would bring you up for like a day or
• 14:05
  Speaker 5: two right before the deadline, just to say you have
• 14:07
  Speaker 5: major league experience to up their value. I remember that
• 14:10
  Speaker 5: little little thing too, so, but yes, I would say
• 14:14
  Speaker 5: you got to arm that you might you might, you
• 14:16
  Speaker 5: might not expect coming up to to see what they're
• 14:20
  Speaker 5: capable of. I don't know where they are on this
• 14:21
  Speaker 5: on the uh on the forty man roster. I think
• 14:24
  Speaker 5: we're full. So there's some guys that have kind of
• 14:28
  Speaker 5: come up out of the woodwork this year and throw
• 14:30
  Speaker 5: the ball really well. Is it time to get them
• 14:33
  Speaker 5: a chance? Likes you know. I don't think Quinn's on
• 14:35
  Speaker 5: the on the forty man either, So there are going
• 14:38
  Speaker 5: to be arms that are going to be needed, not
• 14:40
  Speaker 5: only now but also in the second half, especially if
• 14:43
  Speaker 5: you trade away the people that you've been trying to
• 14:45
  Speaker 5: trade away since we left ring training.
• 14:48
  Speaker 3: You bring up a good point about the forty man,
• 14:49
  Speaker 3: because they're going to have to do some transactional gymnastics
• 14:54
  Speaker 3: if they want to pitcher. I think it's time for
• 14:56
  Speaker 3: coin Matthews. Here's why they're gonna need another starter, right.
• 14:59
  Speaker 3: They've been trying to be as careful as they can
• 15:02
  Speaker 3: with their starters to make sure they're not piling up
• 15:05
  Speaker 3: too many innings. But at some point they're gonna have
• 15:08
  Speaker 3: to give one of the young guys a shot to
• 15:10
  Speaker 3: see what he has. Quinn Matthews, We've heard about him
• 15:13
  Speaker 3: for a number of years. He's twenty five, and he's
• 15:15
  Speaker 3: putting together a solid year at Memphis four and three
• 15:18
  Speaker 3: three point three nine ERA one hundred and one kves
• 15:21
  Speaker 3: in eighty five innings. The problem is he walks everybody.
• 15:25
  Speaker 3: He walks too many guys. But that guy's a talent.
• 15:27
  Speaker 3: Do we break the glass on that guy, Kyler? Or
• 15:30
  Speaker 3: is it just me ranting and raving up in here?
• 15:34
  Speaker 4: Well?
• 15:35
  Speaker 1: Uh, I mean, I think walks is an issue, but
• 15:38
  Speaker 1: I also think that you know, the I guess the
• 15:42
  Speaker 1: automatic strikes one now being up in the big reason
• 15:45
  Speaker 1: is basically the same thing. But I know it's uh,
• 15:48
  Speaker 1: it's fairly easy to get yourself into some bad counts
• 15:50
  Speaker 1: as a picture down there and get yourself in a
• 15:52
  Speaker 1: walk situation. So some of that could be be that
• 15:55
  Speaker 1: strike zone. But I don't know. I think everybody changed
• 16:00
  Speaker 1: a little bit. So no matter how he is right
• 16:03
  Speaker 1: now in the minor leagues, things are gonna look a
• 16:06
  Speaker 1: little bit differ when he gets to the big leagues.
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: Whether it's the usage whether it's trusting his stuff and
• 16:11
  Speaker 1: doing something just a little bit different.
• 16:13
  Speaker 2: There's gonna be adjustments.
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: That that need to be made, and he's gonna figure
• 16:17
  Speaker 1: out the kind of pitcher he is, you know, once
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: he gets a few when he's into his career. So,
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: you know, I was I was always at least a
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: strikeout priending guy in the minor leagues, and I got
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: to the big leagues, and I think I had a
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: strikeout printing in you know, one.
• 16:30
  Speaker 2: Maybe two seasons.
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: So things change and hitters are different. So but I
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: think he's a guy that's that's earned that look, you know,
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: as well as a couple other guys. But he's a
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: guy that's earned that look. And when you need length
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: and when you need somebody to to get a starter
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: or save the bullpen, you know you're gonna look at
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: one of those depth starters. And let's face it, we
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: don't know what the trade deadline is gonna look like either,
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: so you know, we'll see what We'll see what happens
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: here in the next couple of weeks, but a couple
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: of those guys are probably gonna come up.
• 16:57
  Speaker 3: Let's what do you remember about your first big league start?
• 17:04
  Speaker 5: I remember being on short rest, which was great. I
• 17:06
  Speaker 5: appreciate that coming up. I remember sitting in the hotel.
• 17:11
  Speaker 5: I remember sitting in the hotel the night before. I
• 17:14
  Speaker 5: think I was facing I was facing the Giants so well,
• 17:18
  Speaker 5: they win Award series the year before. Nowadays, you get
• 17:21
  Speaker 5: to sit in the clubhouse. You actually get to be
• 17:23
  Speaker 5: acctimated with the team. Back then, you had to walk
• 17:27
  Speaker 5: in with your bag that day and go pitch. You know,
• 17:30
  Speaker 5: you can go up, you can play catch and go
• 17:32
  Speaker 5: over all your things that you need to do. Now
• 17:34
  Speaker 5: so you know, they really they really hold your hand
• 17:37
  Speaker 5: and get you ready.
• 17:38
  Speaker 4: Nowadays, we're back in the day.
• 17:40
  Speaker 5: They made you, They made you come in and earn it.
• 17:42
  Speaker 5: But yeah, no, it was fun and you remember being nervous.
• 17:44
  Speaker 5: Do you remember trying to call everybody and make sure
• 17:46
  Speaker 5: everybody was where they needed to be. But yeah, we've
• 17:49
  Speaker 5: got to I mean, I think there's gonna be quite
• 17:51
  Speaker 5: a few guys that in the second half that uh
• 17:53
  Speaker 5: they make their their debut. You're looking at you know,
• 17:56
  Speaker 5: a hundred Obbins is going to be a guy that
• 17:58
  Speaker 5: they they're gonna need in the second half. This this
• 18:01
  Speaker 5: Mason Molina kid seems to be film all very well.
• 18:04
  Speaker 5: He's got almost one hundred strikeouts and seventy some innings
• 18:06
  Speaker 5: in the minor leagues this year too, And then you
• 18:09
  Speaker 5: have Quinn Matthews. So to answer your question about do
• 18:13
  Speaker 5: where they're going to have to add length and starters
• 18:15
  Speaker 5: and stuff like that, those three guys all fit the
• 18:17
  Speaker 5: bill of guys that can come up and give them
• 18:19
  Speaker 5: innings in the second half, maybe spot start, maybe do
• 18:22
  Speaker 5: some different things that they're gonna need, because whether it's
• 18:27
  Speaker 5: trade or whether it's the season goes on, and nobody
• 18:30
  Speaker 5: on this rotation's ever thrown over one hundred and fifty
• 18:33
  Speaker 5: five innings in a regular season or one hundred and
• 18:35
  Speaker 5: sixty innings in a regular season. They've got a lot
• 18:38
  Speaker 5: of things that they're going to have to navigate here
• 18:41
  Speaker 5: in the second half. And that's not even trading guys away.
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: And on top you kind of have to on top
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: of that, hold on Jim on'ment to step in here.
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: On top of that, you have to somewhat plan for
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: October innix, all right, So I mean you can't you
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: can't just run the guys out there, and guys that
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: have never been to one hundred and sixty hundred and
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: seventy innings, push them to that limit and then say, hey,
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: by the way, you could have another fifteen innings here
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: or twenty innings with a few more starts. So yeah,
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: I mean, I think those guys that Lance mentioned are
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: going to be pretty important here to make sure that
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: the guys that you do keep and that you have
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: not traded away, assuming they trade anybody away. Even if
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: they keep everybody, you got to make sure that you
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: have guys who can make a few starts in the
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: playoffs and they're not totally gassed.
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: And we have a bunch of guys in the minor
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: leagues do them all. I think fans are looking forward
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: to seeing what they got at the big league level.
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: That brings us to our Daily Dinger segment, brought to
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: you by Fan Duel, and my pick for the Daily
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: Dinger segment for today, I'm going to go with with JJ.
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: They're faced and Soriano or right hander tonight. Last time
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: I didn't give you the name of the start of
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: their facing. I am today so I don't get criticized
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: or or mocked on the podcast.
• 20:07
  Speaker 4: Uh.
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: JJ has been just crushing the ball since the since
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: the All Star break, I'm going with JJ. Who you
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: got Kyle's looking down? Lance, you have a I'm going
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: Burley Berlin. It's good, it's good.
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: So I uh, Jim, I think when you spoke about
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: Leahy and what he can bring to the team after
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: a tough loss, I'm thinking that in this situation today,
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: it'd be great if the offense could go ahead and
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: do what they did again. I think that would be
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: even more of a statement here. Uh So, I am
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: gonna go with Walker and a first inning to run Homer,
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: get the boys on the board, give Lahy some breathing room,
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: and to make a statement here that yesterday was just
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: a blip.
• 21:01
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• 21:03
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• 21:35
  Speaker 3: All right, JJ Weatherholt got the extension. I know you
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: guys covered that, but I wanted to hear from you.
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: And if it's a recycling material, then recycle away. But
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: I just wonder JJ gets the extension. There's other guys
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: like Walker who fan saves, you know, bring that guy.
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: There's other guys extend that guy. So i'mon, Lance, is
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: there in a clubhouse one young guy gets the bag
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: said bag and then the others don't. Everyone roots for
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: each other. I get it, it's a team sport, but
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: in reality, everyone wants the bag. So I just wonder
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: is there any of that going on in the clubhouse.
• 22:18
  Speaker 5: I mean, I don't know personally or like if it's true.
• 22:23
  Speaker 5: I'm not talking to anyone to ask. But we were
• 22:27
  Speaker 5: obviously you weren't paying attention because we talked that we
• 22:29
  Speaker 5: would give Lars a extension right now to make sure
• 22:32
  Speaker 5: that he stays in that clubhouse and stays part of
• 22:35
  Speaker 5: what they're building. Just because personality, what he can do
• 22:38
  Speaker 5: with multiple spots in the lineup and all three outfield positions,
• 22:43
  Speaker 5: I think he's as a core piece that you have
• 22:45
  Speaker 5: to have on this roster and then you look around
• 22:48
  Speaker 5: and you're looking at you know, JJ's and it was
• 22:51
  Speaker 5: in a good spot to get it. Walker's establishing himself
• 22:55
  Speaker 5: as an elite power hitter, which now is going to
• 22:59
  Speaker 5: be hard to extending because he's already close to the
• 23:02
  Speaker 5: arbitration process, so he's inclined to wait it out. The
• 23:07
  Speaker 5: one that Kyle and I have talked about off camera is, uh,
• 23:14
  Speaker 5: Mason win and is are you asking do people get
• 23:18
  Speaker 5: their feelings hurt when someone gets an extension and someone
• 23:20
  Speaker 5: else doesn't. Yes, I have seen it in the past,
• 23:24
  Speaker 5: not saying this is what's going on, but when you
• 23:27
  Speaker 5: trade Donovan away, Mason's coming off of gold Glove year,
• 23:33
  Speaker 5: knows that that he's a spark plug, that the way
• 23:36
  Speaker 5: that he is, and then and kind of thrives off
• 23:38
  Speaker 5: of that, doesn't get the leadoff spot and doesn't get
• 23:43
  Speaker 5: an extension, and JJ gets both. I you know, don't know,
• 23:48
  Speaker 5: uh if it's true or if anything is is there,
• 23:51
  Speaker 5: but feelings can get hurt and people can get pissed
• 23:55
  Speaker 5: off when you know they've been there, they've been doing it,
• 23:57
  Speaker 5: and other guys are not handed things, but they're handed
• 24:01
  Speaker 5: things a little bit and JJ's took took those things
• 24:04
  Speaker 5: and ran with it and has become you know, what
• 24:07
  Speaker 5: we all hoped he would be. But when you look
• 24:09
  Speaker 5: at it in a way, for Mason, Mason has dealt
• 24:15
  Speaker 5: with a lot and he's not gotten anything in return,
• 24:18
  Speaker 5: And when other people are, you have a tendency to
• 24:22
  Speaker 5: feel certain ways.
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: That's a fair point, Kyle. In our last one that
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: you guys weren't part of, I was like, I want
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: to see when get an extension because I think if
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: you can have JJ and Win up the middle for
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: years and I think by the way the offense is
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: gonna come from Mason Win. Okay, I think he's dealt
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: with some stuff. He's going to be better offensively than
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: he is now. But certainly Goldblub, I would like to
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: see those guys be the up the middle combination for
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: years to come.
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: I think there's a couple of things here in play
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: when it comes to these type of conversations in these moves.
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: The interesting thing about how baseball media and things work
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: out is you very rarely hear when a team and
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: a player are working on extension and it doesn't work out.
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: So we have no idea if the Cardinals have approached Mason,
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: if they've approached Burley, if they've approached any of these guys.
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: If this is free agency, you know the offer and
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: everything else that have already happened, which is, you know,
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: kind of absurd.
• 25:23
  Speaker 4: But.
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think an interesting situation a couple of years
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: ago or last year I think happened with the Orioles
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: when Basio came up and he played however many games,
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: he got an extension. Here's Adlee Rutchman, you know, waiting
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: for an extension. So I think there's can definitely be
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: some animosity. If you have a good locker room and
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: you have a good culture, and you have players who
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: are you having each other's backs, then I think, you know,
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: a lot less of that can affect the locker room.
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: But we've also seen a team like a Braves take however,
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: many of their players and extend quite a bit of
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: them and saying, you guys are gonna play together for
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: the next five to six years, and that's how it's
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: gonna be, and we think it's gonna work out really well.
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: Now you have a deal.
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: Like the Austin Riley deal that this year and last
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: year doesn't necessarily look like it's playing out too well.
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: But I'm guessing everybody in that locker room is still
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: glad that Austin Riley's ringing. So if if I were
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: in charge here, I would be looking at these four
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: or five guys that I want to have to be
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: a part of this team for the long haul, and
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: I'd say, what do we got to do to keep
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: you guys together?
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: It's a little bit risky, I think, because you don't
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: know what the player is going to turn into Austin Riley.
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: Some of easy guys have had ups and down years
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: on the Cardinals. But I'd be looking at Burley, Mason,
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: Newt Walker, Herrera, just to name a few, and see,
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: you know.
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: Okay, we got a web hole locked up.
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: What do you guys think about, you know, finding a
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: deal to keep you guys together and have everybody happy.
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: I don't know, you we see a lot throughout the years,
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: right you know. I saw the Minnesota Twins sign a
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: couple of pictures one offseason right after Phil hughes dominated
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: and he had had a three year deal. Well the
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: next year, Terry Ryan ripped up Phil Hugheson's deal and said, hey,
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: we just paid two starting pitchers twice. While we're paying
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: you and you just had almost a cy young year,
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: We're going to up your extension just to make sure
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: that Phil felt valued and Phil felt like he was
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: charc toward the organization. So I do think there's some
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: of that that can be important, but I think a
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: lot of it is how we're going to prepare this
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: team for the future, and are these guys the ones
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: that we want to have around and do we think
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: that they're a playoff culture and a playoff team. If
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: these five guys are apartment.
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: Say, that's a good point. Communication, I think is the key,
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: because I think everyone would like to see all these
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: guys be part of the Cardinal future. That's gonna do
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: it for this edition. Colein s, if you opened the show,
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: I think you should close it because we want to
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: have a little consistency. You opened the show.
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know, Jim. I think this is more
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: of like, hey, you know you were back. We weren't
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: quite sure if you were going to take an extra
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: day on the weekend, so I was prepared. All right,
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: since you're here, You've got your end of the show
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: where you want to lead into the next episode.
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: This is your deal, Jim.
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: We just I just filled in, all right, So if
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: I don't have to fill in, then I'd rather just
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: be the one that talks a lot.
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: So you take us out of here and then hopefully
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: you're here on Thursday.
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: You guys didn't just didn't just fill in. You put
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: together quality podcasts and I appreciate it. That's gonna do
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: it for this edition of Cardinal Territory. We'll see you
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: next time. Hopefully that episode won't suck