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Being a Soul Led Leader with Angela Rye · Deeply Well with Devi Brown

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Speaker 1: M from grandmothers who whispered in their baby girl in
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Speaker 1: two fathers on dimly lit street corners, instructing young soldiers
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Speaker 1: to always keep their eyes open. You be queen, you
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Speaker 1: were fired. You will pass through centuries on the hands
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Speaker 1: of your daughters. They called you wisdom. Proverbs on the
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Speaker 1: backs of diamond eyed school children who growing into hymnals
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Speaker 1: recited by amethyst holding urban philosophers who recited neighborhood commandments
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Speaker 1: out of the windows of restored ALCHEMYO cheriots to keep
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Speaker 1: the warmth of their blood. Be wise, be smart, being black,
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Speaker 1: Opal Brown courts bloodstone and prayer. Be every form of
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Speaker 1: jim se King told, scribe, scribe, told son, son, told wife,
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Speaker 1: wife told her daughter, and daughter told the ass. This
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Speaker 1: is the ancestors told me that you would come to
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Speaker 1: give wisdom of thousands. They said you would come Dropping
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Speaker 1: Dropping Gym. Welcome to the Dropping Gym's podcast. I am
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Speaker 1: your host, Stebbie Brown. This is a show where we
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Speaker 1: dive into, unpack and really savor higher consciousness, making it
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Speaker 1: applicable for everyday life, all in service to our liberation
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Speaker 1: and the deepest healing that is available to us. So
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Speaker 1: last week we shared an episode with my dear sister
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Speaker 1: and friend and brilliant, brilliant woman and creator, Angela Rye.
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Speaker 1: And the episode that we shared was a recording of
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Speaker 1: an event that we spoke out together, the Black Love
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Speaker 1: You Retreat, which was an incredibly special day. Huge shout
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Speaker 1: out to Cody. We we had a really expansive conversation
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Speaker 1: around self care, also included a viral clip. And this
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Speaker 1: week Angela is actually joining me so we can dive
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Speaker 1: into even more conversation around her powerful, beautiful, huge life,
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Speaker 1: the work that she does in the world, the work
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Speaker 1: that she does on herself, um and all of the
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Speaker 1: gems that she has to drop. So. Angela Rye is
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Speaker 1: a principal and CEO of Impact Strategies, a political advocacy
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Speaker 1: firm in the nation's Capital. She's a CNN political commentator
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Speaker 1: and NPR political analyst. She's been featured as an influential
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Speaker 1: political lawyer and advocate by several publications and outlets, from
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Speaker 1: Marie Claire to Ebony and The Washington Post. Ryan has
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Speaker 1: an unwavering commitment to ensuring positive change in the political
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Speaker 1: process right as a prominent strategist who has offered her
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Speaker 1: on air commentary for several media outlets, including bt CNN, NBC, HBO, ABC, MSNBC,
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Speaker 1: and TV one. The depth of her dialogue ranges from
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Speaker 1: political campaigns to more complex legislation and administration policies that
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Speaker 1: have long term implications nationally and internationally. Upon moving to
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Speaker 1: the nation's capital, Rye co found and Impact, a nonprofit
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Speaker 1: organization that seeks to encourage young professionals and three core
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Speaker 1: areas economic empowerment, civic engagement, and political involvement. Born and
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Speaker 1: raised in Seattle, Washington, ry learned the importance of advocacy
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Speaker 1: through her family's political and community activism. She is a
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Speaker 1: proud graduate of the University of Washington and Seattle University
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Speaker 1: School of Law. She is my dear sister, She is
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Speaker 1: my friend. I love you, I deeply, deeply respect all
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Speaker 1: the work that you bring into this world, and I
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Speaker 1: am honored to have you here. Welcome Angela Rye. All Right,
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Speaker 1: let me started like this because I'm pretty sure everyone
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Speaker 1: has heard our episode UM that we just aired from
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Speaker 1: our conversation at the Black Love event that we did UM,
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Speaker 1: which was such a such a beautiful day, and we've
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Speaker 1: had some clips from that event on the webs UM
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Speaker 1: that I've really had a lot of beautiful dialogue coming
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Speaker 1: out from them. So some of our conversation that we
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Speaker 1: did that everyone's heard, I hope if you haven't, go
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Speaker 1: back to that episode. We went a little viral and
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Speaker 1: there were like millions and millions of hits on this conversation,
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Speaker 1: which was really beautiful because something you and I are
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Speaker 1: in really deep practice with with one another as friends
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Speaker 1: and in our personal lives is our boundaries. It's it's
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Speaker 1: really related to like how we show up in the
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Speaker 1: world with the callings and of our life as women,
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Speaker 1: in our friendships and all the facets of our being. Uh.
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Speaker 1: And so it was really for me so interesting to
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Speaker 1: see the variations and how people receive that information, right,
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Speaker 1: like from people some people, Oh my god, I didn't
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Speaker 1: know I could have permission like this to say I'm
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Speaker 1: unavailable for anything that is not mutually beneficial. Um to
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Speaker 1: the people that said, what who do you think you are?
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Speaker 1: That's selfish? And so it's it's such an interesting spectrum
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Speaker 1: I think that we find ourselves in on this journey sometimes. UM,
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Speaker 1: so we're going to dive all into that. I'm getting
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Speaker 1: the cart ahead of the horse. Number one, How are
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Speaker 1: you really good, really really good. It's funny because I'm
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Speaker 1: hearing you say this, um about the conversation, and I
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Speaker 1: had um an exchange with someone that I didn't see
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Speaker 1: the comments, but I hadn't exchange with someone about you
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Speaker 1: saying that, and I was like, I'm literally experienced her
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Speaker 1: from my vantage point pour out everything to me when
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Speaker 1: I'm you know, completely depleted. And I was like, that's
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Speaker 1: not my experience, as like, to me, what that means
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Speaker 1: is that, Um, she's not going to allow her love her.
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Speaker 1: I's her time to be abused or misused. And you
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Speaker 1: remember you telling you like, I don't know when I'm
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Speaker 1: boring out too much. And you're clear about those boundaries too.
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Speaker 1: So it's interesting that the default for folks is one
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Speaker 1: that is so negative. But to your point, Debbie, we're
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Speaker 1: not used to setting boundaries. I'm learning how to set
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Speaker 1: boundaries and I'm about to be forty two this month,
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Speaker 1: right like it's it's it's a new thing, and so
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Speaker 1: folks are used to being like in order to be loved,
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Speaker 1: like we have to lay our lives down, we have
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Speaker 1: to be martyrs, like you know, available to whatever you
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Speaker 1: need and hail with whenever I need for myself, and
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Speaker 1: so I think that it was. It's revolutionary and because
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Speaker 1: of that, you will be challenged, but you were spot
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Speaker 1: up well. And it's funny because I think it also
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Speaker 1: depends on what everyone's definition of certain words are, right, Like,
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Speaker 1: we have certain words that have baseline definitions in the dictionary,
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Speaker 1: but our emotional connection to certain words is different for
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Speaker 1: all of us based on our unique set of circumstances.
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Speaker 1: And so people have there were some people overwhelmingly it
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Speaker 1: was like everybody was like yes, Like there were all
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Speaker 1: of these like you know, duets on TikTok and all
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Speaker 1: the places, and but for a few people and it
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Speaker 1: was the minority. For a few people, it was like, oh,
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Speaker 1: so if someone needs your help, you're just not willing
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Speaker 1: to give it. And I'm like, where did that clips
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Speaker 1: say that? So I think it I think it triggered
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Speaker 1: a couple of things and people. I think it triggered
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Speaker 1: people that are manipulators and abusers who don't want people
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Speaker 1: to be in their boundaries, who are used to getting
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Speaker 1: over in manipulative tactics, triggered them. And then it also
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Speaker 1: triggered people that have become really connected to this identity
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Speaker 1: of their martyrdom, this identity that they have to earn
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Speaker 1: love um, and they haven't started the journey walking back
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Speaker 1: from that to see where it started. And so it
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Speaker 1: can be really conflicting to hear information like that, like
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Speaker 1: there's another way to be if you have um minimized
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Speaker 1: your own needs and pain to fit this certain identity.
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Speaker 1: But the word mutually beneficial, you know, it's like, well,
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Speaker 1: me wanting to is a benefit, you know, mutually beneficial
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Speaker 1: doesn't have to mean I'm receiving something in in return,
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Speaker 1: especially in the exact moment. The benefit for me could
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Speaker 1: just be that I genuinely want to. And that goes
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Speaker 1: from changing a diaper to taking out the trash, Like
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Speaker 1: that's the benefit for me to take out the trash.
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Speaker 1: I'll do it when I'm led what it starts thanking.
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Speaker 1: But you know, the other thing, though, too debby, is
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Speaker 1: all that it really illuminates um for me. I think
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Speaker 1: again going back to you, is there's just people that
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Speaker 1: don't know you, don't know your character and having experienced that, right,
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Speaker 1: and so because people have been out here really hurt
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Speaker 1: and harmed by folks where there was love one way,
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Speaker 1: they don't And so to the point is really a
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Speaker 1: lot more about them and their experiences than it is
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Speaker 1: about how we experience you the world. But for those
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Speaker 1: of us who know and Levey know, the like is
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Speaker 1: the furthest thing from the two. It's like, Oh, you
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Speaker 1: just didn't understand. That's not her. Whoever thinks that, please
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Speaker 1: feel free to continue to think whatever you think. I'm
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Speaker 1: not harmed or moved in any way. You know what
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Speaker 1: I mean? And I mean that honestly, like there's no
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Speaker 1: charge for me in saying this. These are the conversations
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Speaker 1: we need to have, and my my point isn't going
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Speaker 1: to land for everyone, and it's probably not going to
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Speaker 1: be the best fit for it everyone. And that doesn't
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Speaker 1: mean they're wrong or I'm wrong. We all have different
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Speaker 1: pathways to the truth. And for those that resonated with
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Speaker 1: the way that I said it and felt a little
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Speaker 1: more free because of it, that's how I was meant
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Speaker 1: to be used as a conduit of God. For those
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Speaker 1: that don't, I hope they find the path that resonates
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Speaker 1: more closely with what they need to know and here
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Speaker 1: to find their freedom to You know, so we have
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Speaker 1: been um, I guess really in a thick, thicky thick thick,
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Speaker 1: talking about friendship, talking about boundaries and our recent conversations,
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Speaker 1: and you know, when I think about like all of
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Speaker 1: us in this interesting time of life, coming out of
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Speaker 1: the pandemic um and this year flying by, like we
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Speaker 1: we were in where is one? We make it to
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Speaker 1: one and blinked and I and now we're going into Yeah.
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Speaker 1: But you know, how, what have been your gifts of
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Speaker 1: the last couple of years, of these transitions, of these
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Speaker 1: moments to have a little bit more breathing room, have
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Speaker 1: a little more opportunity to step outside of our roles
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Speaker 1: in our relationships. What has meant the most to you?
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Speaker 1: M hmm, I think so much. I think, um one,
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Speaker 1: the pandemic really taught me how much output in the world,
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Speaker 1: Like I was just always gone all way, is traveling,
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Speaker 1: always performing like all of that, and it's like it's
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Speaker 1: like it hit me and I'm like, oh my god,
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Speaker 1: what am I gonna do now? And it felt like, oh,
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Speaker 1: I get time for myself, like oh I can really rest.
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Speaker 1: And then it started to feel a little groundhogs dash,
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Speaker 1: like Okay, I wake up doing the same exact thing
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Speaker 1: every day. So then it really became about how do
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Speaker 1: I um share my gift with the world when I
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Speaker 1: do believe part of my gifting is my voice, and
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Speaker 1: so I think so many of us defaulted to a
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Speaker 1: platform that recently crashed, but Instagram, Instagram Live and that
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Speaker 1: kind of thing and really sharing our thoughts there. I
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Speaker 1: was spending a lot of time on FaceTime with friends
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Speaker 1: UM built up like a tremendous sisterhood and friendship with
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Speaker 1: some black women in media that it really changed my
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Speaker 1: life and in so many ways, like we'll say that
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Speaker 1: it made my quarantine experience. We were doing happy hours
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Speaker 1: on you know, on Zoom and all kinds of things,
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Speaker 1: celebrating friend's birthdays that way, and Debbie with all of
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Speaker 1: the lives lost now I think we're in excess of
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Speaker 1: seven hundred thousand people. What it taught me mostly is
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Speaker 1: that life is precious and it doesn't mean that we
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Speaker 1: have to rush or force our experiences. But it doesn't
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Speaker 1: mean that we owe it to every day to ourselves
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Speaker 1: to give our very best. And of course that looks
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Speaker 1: different for everyone. My best today might be different than tomorrow.
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Speaker 1: I keep thinking about and regurgitating what Fat Joe says,
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Speaker 1: today's price isn't or yesterday's price isn't today's prices and
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Speaker 1: vice versa, you know, And that's the same even for
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Speaker 1: our best effort, Like it's not gonna look the same
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Speaker 1: every day, but you know if you did your best.
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Speaker 1: And I think that same thing applies to our relationships,
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Speaker 1: like showing up as our best selves, showing up how
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Speaker 1: we want people to show up for us, UM. And
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Speaker 1: I think that I am so blessed because I have
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Speaker 1: friends and family um who've done that and consistently do
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Speaker 1: that without being tugged or pulled our demand, like making
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Speaker 1: demands of them, like that's just what they do. So
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Speaker 1: I have great examples to h that's so beautiful. It
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Speaker 1: feels like, you know, for those that had the ability
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Speaker 1: um to be with this moment and human history in
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Speaker 1: that way, it there was just so much freedom to
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Speaker 1: be had, you know, and and the room that we needed.
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Speaker 1: I feel for the integration, because I think sometimes we
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Speaker 1: come into these places with ourselves over our lives where
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Speaker 1: we really tap into this change, we really tap into,
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Speaker 1: um the ability to have these noticings in these shifts,
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Speaker 1: but then life doesn't always afford for us to actually
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Speaker 1: make the change. And that's what it felt like this
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Speaker 1: year did, like it gave us the space to not
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Speaker 1: only make the change, but integrate the changes. Mm hmm. Wow,
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Speaker 1: that that's powerful too, because you think about, um the
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Speaker 1: many instances like I love saying that we're baptized by fire,
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Speaker 1: you know, and so you hop out of that baptism
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Speaker 1: maybe like back to life as usual, and that's not
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Speaker 1: really what happened. So I really feel what you're saying,
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Speaker 1: like there was this moment, you know, like a big
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Speaker 1: paradigm shift, a big you know, evolution, and it it's
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Speaker 1: like okay, now you kind of get to walk it
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Speaker 1: out and practice it personally because we're not all the
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Speaker 1: way back to whatever normal was, and I don't know
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Speaker 1: they will ever get back to that. Hope even that
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Speaker 1: like the you know, the I hope people at least
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Speaker 1: stay safe and get better. But yeah, like in terms
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Speaker 1: of normal, like that monotony of doing work and you
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Speaker 1: being the work and you know, treating your body is
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Speaker 1: um right, Like I hope we don't get back to
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Speaker 1: that pace like it was a neck breaking pace. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: you know, your pace especially I think we're so could
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Speaker 1: be considered some neutbreaking um because the work that you
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Speaker 1: do require so much, you know, like it's like it
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Speaker 1: requires you to be on all cylinders, and it also
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Speaker 1: really requires you to be embedded in some of the
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Speaker 1: more challenging things about being alive, some of the more
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Speaker 1: challenging things about existing in this place. You know, some
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Speaker 1: of us do get the opportunity, especially when we're in
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Speaker 1: our wellness journeys, to really cocoon um. But the work
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Speaker 1: that you've been charged with and called to do is
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Speaker 1: showing up so powerfully in the world and especially on
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Speaker 1: behalf of those who need it um, which means you
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Speaker 1: have to stay so plugged in to really some of
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Speaker 1: the things that are harder to carry. How do you
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Speaker 1: find balance in that um or how do you find
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Speaker 1: ways to show up for yourself at the deepest level.
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Speaker 1: You know, Debbie Desk, you know this personally, but it
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Speaker 1: is a work in progress, Like I've not mastered it
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Speaker 1: by any stretch, you know, at all. And so one
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Speaker 1: of the things that I'm learning now is because of
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Speaker 1: this time that we've had to really, like said cocoon,
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Speaker 1: indulged in self care, really figuring out think like I'm
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Speaker 1: gonna take care of myself because I'll be better for
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Speaker 1: everybody else. Saying that is easier than doing that consistently.
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Speaker 1: And so now when something comes along, like you know,
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Speaker 1: as a police shooting or like some of the legislation
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Speaker 1: is currently being considered on Capitol Hill, or the back
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Speaker 1: and forth in politics, or you know, whatever cultural viral
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Speaker 1: moment is happening on air. Um, somebody you know saying
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Speaker 1: they're a black person but not acting like it, right,
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Speaker 1: and then saying things that are harmful to the culture,
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Speaker 1: literally harmful to the cultures. So not just assigning the
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Speaker 1: judgment or passing judgment on one's blackness, but literally harmful. UM.
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Speaker 1: I get mad now because I'm like, you're drinking in
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Speaker 1: my piece, you know, like and and what I've recently
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Speaker 1: is I can't be in UM. I can have peace
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Speaker 1: within myself, but there's a different type of um self
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Speaker 1: centeredness and selfishness when I have to block out what's
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Speaker 1: happening in the world to people who look like me,
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Speaker 1: who have a similar experience with me. If I turn
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Speaker 1: a blind eye to that, that's not my peace. That's
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Speaker 1: a false sense of piece, right, I'm creating a bubble
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Speaker 1: that distances me from reality. I'm not saying that we
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Speaker 1: don't ever need to unplug sometimes, but for the convictions
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Speaker 1: that I have and what I believe my mission and
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Speaker 1: purpose are. I can't divorce myself from reality to the
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Speaker 1: point where I just and I am not an advocate
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Speaker 1: for people who you know, need to survive, who need
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Speaker 1: to the who need to thrive and just don't have
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Speaker 1: those tools, who may not have the contacts, who may
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Speaker 1: not have the ability to strategize in that way. That's
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Speaker 1: not true compassion and that's not real peace for me.
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Speaker 1: So for I've had to learn. I'm still learning, to
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Speaker 1: be clear, I'm still learning how to maintain balance inner
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Speaker 1: peace in the midst of the chaos, Like can I
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Speaker 1: bring peace and healing to the situation? Can I bring
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Speaker 1: the gifts and the experience that I have to a
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Speaker 1: situation and not turn a blind eye to it, just
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Speaker 1: because it would be so much easier for how I
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Speaker 1: feel to sit with whatever piece I've created for myself.
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Speaker 1: You know what I mean that the economy for me,
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Speaker 1: it's hard. So I'm very what is that? What is
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Speaker 1: that piece as you're in process of constructing it? What
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Speaker 1: does that look like? Mm hmm. You know what I
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Speaker 1: can tell you, It feels like it's like it's like,
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Speaker 1: you know, your favorite blanket when you were a kid.
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Speaker 1: It is this warm, fuzzy feeling where like you know
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Speaker 1: it's really safe to drop into surrender. It is um
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Speaker 1: you know, the smile that you can that you can
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Speaker 1: put on your face because you're thinking about you know,
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Speaker 1: God's goodness or the people who model God's goodness every
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Speaker 1: day for you, Like, that's what it feels like to me.
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Speaker 1: And there are moments, Debbie, you know in this world,
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Speaker 1: even thinking about like the migrants, the Hatian migrants at
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Speaker 1: the border, where that when that thought comes in your mind,
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Speaker 1: it just crashes that whole system. For me, it's just like, oh,
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Speaker 1: you know, and for me, I'm going, Okay, I know
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Speaker 1: that I deserve to feel this piece, but I know
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Speaker 1: they can too, you know what I'm And it's like
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Speaker 1: really finding that balance. I can tell you really honestly
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Speaker 1: at every point in my life where I've really dropped
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Speaker 1: down knowing I needed to, but really dropping down into
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Speaker 1: my higher self and really tapping into what I'm supposed
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Speaker 1: to become and how I evolved spiritually. Every time, I've
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Speaker 1: had these seasons where I'm like, oh, I can't be
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Speaker 1: super pro black, I can't be you know, like in college.
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Speaker 1: I was like, I was like, you know, kind of
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Speaker 1: participating to be issue, but I really I started to
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Speaker 1: b sue in high school. I'm the daughter of an activist,
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Speaker 1: and I went through these things where I'm like, I
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Speaker 1: have to be all in here, are all in there.
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Speaker 1: I don't know how to do both. And at this
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Speaker 1: point in my life, I'm like, I gotta do both
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Speaker 1: because I am Yes, I'm a spiritual being, but I'm
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Speaker 1: living in a human body, and there are human bodies
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Speaker 1: who look like me all over the world who are threatened.
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Speaker 1: I owe it to these folks to stand with them,
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Speaker 1: to be an ally with them. But I can't do
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Speaker 1: it from an empty cup. And I think that's the
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Speaker 1: thing that I've learned from you. It's like, no, when
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Speaker 1: you have these pockets, those are your pockets, take care
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Speaker 1: of yourself because you're gonna be back out here. And
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Speaker 1: I was just like, oh here right, I don't want
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Speaker 1: to if they're right here, and it's like, no, but
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Speaker 1: you have to. That's your calling, right, And so it's
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Speaker 1: just understanding that balance, and hopefully I'll understand right now.
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Speaker 1: I'm just navigating, and you know, the balance always changes,
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Speaker 1: and the balance is never a fifty fifty, and that's
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Speaker 1: what I think, like, especially when we even share these
20:55
Speaker 1: conversations with people and especially women, it's so important that
20:59
Speaker 1: we create that as the baseline. Like I hate that
21:02
Speaker 1: idea of like work life balance. We're finding out work
21:05
Speaker 1: life balance, Like it's never fifty fifty. That's not the
21:09
Speaker 1: nature of this, you know. It's it's really like you said,
21:13
Speaker 1: it's those pockets. It's okay, I have a little extra
21:16
Speaker 1: time to take care of me or to think, you know,
21:19
Speaker 1: about myself first, so I am going to take that
21:23
Speaker 1: instead of that filling that with me doing more and
21:26
Speaker 1: more and more for others, you know. Um, But that balance,
21:29
Speaker 1: it's so tricky. It's like surrendering to the fact that
21:33
Speaker 1: sometimes it's like and sometimes it's like when you know,
21:42
Speaker 1: it feels so much better in the pocket, like I
21:45
Speaker 1: love like you just like, yeah, it's the pocket, but
21:47
Speaker 1: the pocket is not meant for you to stay there.
21:50
Speaker 1: It's meant for you to get what you need and
21:52
Speaker 1: come back. And that is like I'm in resentment of
21:56
Speaker 1: that right now. I'm like, I don't want to leave.
21:59
Speaker 1: I don't want to leave. I like it, right And
22:02
Speaker 1: it's like for who you're charged to be in the world.
22:05
Speaker 1: It's like God needed you to have this moment, this
22:08
Speaker 1: moment of like burrowing in the pocket, being hugged by
22:12
Speaker 1: the pocket, cocoons in the pocket. You know, like you
22:16
Speaker 1: have such big work to do on Earth and it
22:20
Speaker 1: requires all of you. And it feels like like the
22:23
Speaker 1: way that I see you take up space in the
22:25
Speaker 1: world for me, in my purview, it feels like you
22:29
Speaker 1: are one of the first examples of how to be
22:33
Speaker 1: a soul led political leader, you know, like the the
22:38
Speaker 1: the terminology and deepoc used to have a phenomenal programmer
22:41
Speaker 1: on this, but like being a soul led leader. I
22:43
Speaker 1: think it's easy for us to think of that if
22:46
Speaker 1: like you're leading in the church, you're leading at school,
22:49
Speaker 1: you're leading in wellness, you're leading in the political sphere,
22:53
Speaker 1: you're leading in the sphere of all the spaces that
22:58
Speaker 1: really investigate and break down and call out various injustices,
23:04
Speaker 1: you know, And so we don't have a lot of
23:06
Speaker 1: examples of souled leaders. So even you know, it's probably
23:11
Speaker 1: some of that challenge of when you're the first of
23:13
Speaker 1: your kind, how do I how do I forge this
23:16
Speaker 1: new path with all of me, with the deep holistic
23:20
Speaker 1: side of myself, the deep political side of myself, the cerebral,
23:25
Speaker 1: the spirit. Um does it feel like that? Do you
23:28
Speaker 1: feel sometimes like there's not as many examples to pull from?
23:34
Speaker 1: You know, it's weird because what I mostly feel is
23:37
Speaker 1: like we don't exist in one of these boxes like right,
23:42
Speaker 1: Like I can understand why people um would describe me
23:47
Speaker 1: as like a political leader or political voice, but there's
23:50
Speaker 1: so much more than that. What happened is I've I've
23:55
Speaker 1: tapped into the fact that our politics impact every aspect
23:58
Speaker 1: of our lives. I am for the culture through and through,
24:02
Speaker 1: so I'll deal with racial injustice, with political injustice, economic injustice,
24:07
Speaker 1: all injustices because I'm all about equity. So really, what
24:12
Speaker 1: I feel like it boils down to is there are
24:14
Speaker 1: a number of people, including uses, who I look to
24:18
Speaker 1: for leadership in these spaces where I know I'm deficient, Like, Okay,
24:21
Speaker 1: I know I need help here, let me let me ask.
24:23
Speaker 1: I can ask for help. Now that's new. That's for health.
24:27
Speaker 1: So what can I do? How do I write? Like,
24:29
Speaker 1: how do I um not be the best meed for y'all,
24:35
Speaker 1: but be the best for me? So I'm an available, accessible,
24:39
Speaker 1: healed or at least healing. And that is for whatever
24:44
Speaker 1: the mission is, you know, whether it's writing this book
24:46
Speaker 1: or it's um you know, uh, doing a YouTube post
24:51
Speaker 1: or hosting a special My role here is ensuring that
24:55
Speaker 1: every piece of content I create tells the truth about
24:59
Speaker 1: who we are and who are becoming, you know. And
25:02
Speaker 1: so politics is a part of that, but it's not
25:05
Speaker 1: all of that. It defined me for a long time,
25:07
Speaker 1: and I think the election was really an early midlife
25:12
Speaker 1: crisis for me because I'm like, that's not what I
25:15
Speaker 1: signed him to do. I don't know what's happening here,
25:17
Speaker 1: but that's not what I signed him to do. I
25:19
Speaker 1: have put all of my hope and trust and faith
25:21
Speaker 1: in a system that could be trivialized so easily. And
25:25
Speaker 1: it doesn't mean that we don't participate in that way anymore.
25:28
Speaker 1: But Devide, you know this better than me. That's not
25:30
Speaker 1: only where our power lies, right And in order for
25:34
Speaker 1: me to help people to access their power, I have
25:37
Speaker 1: to be comfortable with mine, you know. And I can't
25:41
Speaker 1: do that broken. I can't do that in denial. I
25:44
Speaker 1: can't do that out of purpose, out of sync, right,
25:47
Speaker 1: I can't do that going off on people on air
25:50
Speaker 1: when that's not even the way that my gift is
25:52
Speaker 1: supposed to be used, right, And so in order for
25:55
Speaker 1: me to um be a soul and leader or be
26:00
Speaker 1: a heel leader, I have to know clearly who I
26:03
Speaker 1: am and where I'm going. Doesn't mean I won't ever
26:05
Speaker 1: have blind spots. I got folks like you did, even
26:09
Speaker 1: when I can't see something like, hey, since you missed
26:11
Speaker 1: the spot right here, thank god. But like, we can't
26:15
Speaker 1: deepen into that work and really live out that work
26:17
Speaker 1: if we don't have folks around us who are you know,
26:20
Speaker 1: soul family and can help guide us down that path.
26:23
Speaker 1: But it's to me, is so much bigger than a
26:26
Speaker 1: political mission. It is about how to ensure that our
26:29
Speaker 1: culture are folks are more powerful than they've ever been.
26:33
Speaker 1: And that means taking a look at the whole picture
26:35
Speaker 1: holistically what has to shift, and that means I gotta
26:38
Speaker 1: figure that out for me too. Okay, So I have
26:42
Speaker 1: two places I want to go, um, because you just
26:45
Speaker 1: touched on something that was really powerful that I had
26:47
Speaker 1: never heard before. Before I get to that piece, Um,
26:51
Speaker 1: I just want to call out two pieces of language
26:53
Speaker 1: I would like to be reframed. This idea of I've
26:59
Speaker 1: heard you use that word before, and I want to
27:01
Speaker 1: really challenge it with you, because there is nothing about
27:03
Speaker 1: you that is deficient, and it's like you are so
27:07
Speaker 1: powerful and and you hold such a high level of
27:12
Speaker 1: a mirror and accountability to the world that I think
27:15
Speaker 1: sometimes you're a little too harsh with yourself in the
27:18
Speaker 1: way that you see things, Because my sister, you are
27:21
Speaker 1: not deficient in a thing, you know, so even that
27:25
Speaker 1: even that's just like a tiny little, a tiny little
27:28
Speaker 1: area to soften, because there are some things that were
27:32
Speaker 1: in progress with at at varying levels from others. But
27:35
Speaker 1: we are We're all whole, and you do so so
27:40
Speaker 1: many things so powerfully right for yourself. So I just
27:42
Speaker 1: want to challenge that word as a way to describe it,
27:46
Speaker 1: and the word um blind spot because you are not
27:50
Speaker 1: blind to anything. You may be called to focus on
27:53
Speaker 1: other facets of growth or healing at different times because
27:57
Speaker 1: we can't do it all at once, UM, but you
28:00
Speaker 1: have you have great grand vision. So I just want
28:03
Speaker 1: to say that, UM, now you know I can see
28:09
Speaker 1: this with frey might be Now if I take these
28:12
Speaker 1: contacts out, you might not you might girl blind, you
28:14
Speaker 1: will be blurry chat. So there's definitely blind Well, there's
28:18
Speaker 1: spots that we don't acknowledge yet because the lesson isn't complete,
28:22
Speaker 1: you know, the piece of it that we needed for
28:24
Speaker 1: our shifting isn't always completed. I don't think you're blind
28:27
Speaker 1: to anything, but you're here, you tell me. I think no.
28:31
Speaker 1: I love that. Yes, I'm just challenging the language that
28:34
Speaker 1: we'll talk to ourselves with, because I do think that's important. Okay,
28:38
Speaker 1: give me a word. So for blind spot in the
28:41
Speaker 1: way that you use that word, I would say, um,
28:46
Speaker 1: you know, maybe an area you're still in discovery with
28:50
Speaker 1: because they're like when I think when I think of
28:53
Speaker 1: our conversations, even the things that sometimes you be like,
28:56
Speaker 1: oh girl, that was a blind spot for me, thank
28:58
Speaker 1: you for showing me that the deeper truth is it
29:01
Speaker 1: wasn't your wise. This hell like you're very, very wise,
29:05
Speaker 1: and it was something that you already maybe saw or
29:08
Speaker 1: touched on. There was just opportunity to fill in some
29:11
Speaker 1: of the blanks. I I think that you are an
29:15
Speaker 1: incredible book. I think it's hard, seriously serious, DEVI because
29:21
Speaker 1: like whatever it is with we don't want to say deficiency,
29:24
Speaker 1: we may not want to say weakness. We may not
29:25
Speaker 1: want to say blind spot, but like first to have
29:28
Speaker 1: somebody and not to me maybe this is my crazy
29:32
Speaker 1: love language, but to me, it's like to have somebody
29:34
Speaker 1: that will be that like radically honest with you is
29:38
Speaker 1: the greatest love. They care enough about you to see
29:42
Speaker 1: your growth. So whatever we call it a blind spot
29:45
Speaker 1: or a point of what did you call it a
29:48
Speaker 1: point of growth potential? I think blind spotter is okay,
29:51
Speaker 1: But deficiency I've really challenged, you know, because I think, okay,
29:55
Speaker 1: I think I think we can vary anything like I
29:57
Speaker 1: just don't know it yet. But it doesn't have to
29:59
Speaker 1: be a less than laughing. And that's not this is
30:02
Speaker 1: not just this is all of us, especially as women,
30:06
Speaker 1: and so I'm just I'm offering that I think for
30:08
Speaker 1: all of us, of like and the ways that we
30:11
Speaker 1: speak to ourselves, does it have to be that something
30:14
Speaker 1: is wrong or could it just be it's been an
30:17
Speaker 1: unknown until this moment? You know? I love that? Okay,
30:21
Speaker 1: So Devy, y'all Devvy will point out my unknowns in
30:26
Speaker 1: remarkable loving ways. How about that? I love you, Okay.
30:31
Speaker 1: I think there's something there's something else that you said
30:34
Speaker 1: that really struck me. Angela and I never heard anybody
30:38
Speaker 1: speak to it yet. You talked about the personal grief
30:43
Speaker 1: of experiencing, um, that Trump election cycle and that four
30:47
Speaker 1: years that like, I literally have chills right now because
30:52
Speaker 1: I have not heard anybody speak to that, and it
30:56
Speaker 1: needs to get spoken to, especially, you know, for for
31:00
Speaker 1: people like you who have given so much and in
31:04
Speaker 1: that space specifically of justice and the political realm, to
31:08
Speaker 1: be so studied, to have put down such a tremendous
31:11
Speaker 1: foundation for so long, and then you have something like
31:16
Speaker 1: this that turns it on ahead where it's like, how
31:18
Speaker 1: is this possible? This goes against everything that I've worked
31:22
Speaker 1: for and fought for and believed. So can you kind
31:26
Speaker 1: of deepen in that for a second, um that that's
31:28
Speaker 1: so profound to me? I hope I can do this
31:33
Speaker 1: without crying or cousin. I'm a custom Christian. I'd be
31:36
Speaker 1: telling these people before. Let me tell you I can.
31:41
Speaker 1: I remember when I got home. First of all, you're
31:46
Speaker 1: talking about not having blind spots. I was completely unaware
31:50
Speaker 1: that this was possibly complete. Like when I sell you
31:53
Speaker 1: to me, I was going on air like cocky, like
31:58
Speaker 1: of course, like like cocky, like full on, like I
32:02
Speaker 1: can't believe I'm even having to waste my time with
32:04
Speaker 1: you people like you were completely ignorant. What are you
32:07
Speaker 1: talking like? Completely in judgment, annoyed, condescension. I was so
32:14
Speaker 1: cocky about it, and part of my cockiness was a
32:18
Speaker 1: deep resentment for everything that man represented. He didn't start
32:22
Speaker 1: like the racism nonsense around the election. He started it
32:28
Speaker 1: as the chief spokesperson for the birth movement against Barack Obama. Right.
32:33
Speaker 1: So for me, I'm just like, this country's evolved. Like,
32:36
Speaker 1: I know, we still have racism ensure it's not tried
32:39
Speaker 1: but post racial, like they said about Barackboa, but we've
32:41
Speaker 1: evolved enough we wouldn't do this lo and behold, we
32:44
Speaker 1: did this or they did this. So I got home
32:48
Speaker 1: the night of the election, face plant on my floor
32:52
Speaker 1: and sobbed like somebody died because a part of me,
32:56
Speaker 1: a part of me did and out like a continuing
33:04
Speaker 1: betrayal of the ancestors and like and in a continuing
33:11
Speaker 1: betrayal of for future generations, because I knew that the
33:15
Speaker 1: impact of his election was not going to end in
33:17
Speaker 1: four years. Right. And the thing that I think is
33:21
Speaker 1: a positive about it is one I definitely needed to
33:25
Speaker 1: be knocked down a peg because it were like my
33:28
Speaker 1: I was so arrogant about it um and then I
33:33
Speaker 1: really deepened into anger. That resentment turned into even deeper resentment.
33:37
Speaker 1: On air, I would get so frustrated I was paired
33:40
Speaker 1: with people who didn't have to have the same qualifications
33:43
Speaker 1: as me, And so the microaggressions that so many of
33:45
Speaker 1: our brothers and sisters talk about it work right your experience,
33:48
Speaker 1: you're watching it happen on air, and so people would say, like,
33:52
Speaker 1: you speak for me, And it's because I could say
33:55
Speaker 1: the thing on air that they couldn't say at work
33:57
Speaker 1: when somebody came at them sideways. But Debbie, over time,
34:01
Speaker 1: that's toxic. So my dad, who many of my friends
34:04
Speaker 1: called popa Ride Paper Ride, would call after a segment
34:07
Speaker 1: and he would know that it broke me, and I
34:09
Speaker 1: would just sob like, I can't believe I'm having to
34:11
Speaker 1: do this. I can't believe this is where I was
34:13
Speaker 1: in deep denial about where we were, and so it
34:17
Speaker 1: meant a lot to me that people would say you
34:20
Speaker 1: speak for me, But man, I wanted to say something
34:23
Speaker 1: that felt a whole lot better than what I had
34:25
Speaker 1: to argue about every time I was on air, and
34:28
Speaker 1: I think over time, I just really I started to
34:32
Speaker 1: resent that, like, this doesn't feel like a proactive strategy
34:36
Speaker 1: for us to deepen into our power. It feels like
34:38
Speaker 1: I'm on my heels just swinging to fight that just
34:41
Speaker 1: to keep us afloat. And it just was draining, and
34:46
Speaker 1: I got to the point where I was like, No,
34:49
Speaker 1: this isn't healthy. You know, this isn't healthy. This isn't
34:53
Speaker 1: how we're going to move the culture forward. This isn't
34:55
Speaker 1: And I'm again, I'm not trying to take away from
34:59
Speaker 1: anybody who say it I'm your voice or I'm speaking
35:02
Speaker 1: for the culture. I like, I'm grateful, but I also
35:05
Speaker 1: know the culture has so much more to say. We have.
35:07
Speaker 1: I mean, we literally built this country on our backs.
35:10
Speaker 1: We have a whole lot more to say. And to
35:12
Speaker 1: be on the other side of this now, on the
35:14
Speaker 1: other side of the election, we got a lot more
35:17
Speaker 1: to say about this administration. This administration told us that
35:21
Speaker 1: they were going to be much better for us, right that, UM,
35:25
Speaker 1: that we wouldn't have to worry about these bigoted, xenophobic
35:28
Speaker 1: immigration policies, that um, justice and policing would become a
35:32
Speaker 1: real thing, because um, nine minutes plus it's too long
35:36
Speaker 1: for a police officer to have their knee on somebody's neck.
35:40
Speaker 1: You know, that we would be able to to vote freely,
35:43
Speaker 1: like John Lewis literally was beaten and bloodied for people
35:48
Speaker 1: died for this right to vote. And here we are
35:51
Speaker 1: on the other side of this election and none of
35:53
Speaker 1: those things are true. I just summarily reject that. And
35:56
Speaker 1: so my issue isn't with party. And know this isn't
35:59
Speaker 1: a is to become Republican. I'm still very much a progressive.
36:03
Speaker 1: But my pitch is, isn't it time for us to
36:06
Speaker 1: end this racism? Like, isn't it time for us to
36:10
Speaker 1: completely get rid of the things that hold people back,
36:14
Speaker 1: especially the people who built this country. And so that's
36:17
Speaker 1: where I am now. I'm just like, what is righteous?
36:19
Speaker 1: What is what is moral? What is you know, from
36:23
Speaker 1: a human decency standpoint, what is decent? That's the only
36:26
Speaker 1: conversation I want to have. How do we move that forward?
36:29
Speaker 1: And so to me, Devy, that is the bridge between
36:32
Speaker 1: a wellness journey, you know, building character and deepening into
36:37
Speaker 1: your gifts and our politics and our culture and our history.
36:42
Speaker 1: You know, like we have people fighting about teaching real
36:44
Speaker 1: history in school. You guys got to live for years
36:47
Speaker 1: and history books. It's time out for that. Like we
36:50
Speaker 1: have come into a full wrecking, coming into the full
36:54
Speaker 1: knowledge of the truth. We can't do anything but stay
36:57
Speaker 1: right here and deepen into it. We're not going back.
37:00
Speaker 1: We're exactly what exactly right dropping too and you know
37:16
Speaker 1: what comes for for me, Angela, it's like and maybe
37:20
Speaker 1: it's just gonna take time, you know, It's like a
37:23
Speaker 1: few shifts happen, a few paradigms change, you know, for us,
37:27
Speaker 1: and then sometimes it takes us a few decades, I
37:31
Speaker 1: guess to catch up with That's how I feel in
37:32
Speaker 1: terms of right now the country being well and us understanding.
37:37
Speaker 1: You know, mental health is having its moment in the sun.
37:39
Speaker 1: In this moment, that specific term is on everyone's myth
37:43
Speaker 1: mental health. Mental health. Oh, I'm an advocate for mentalth.
37:45
Speaker 1: I believe in mental health. We have to study what
37:50
Speaker 1: the hell is happening and has happened in all of
37:54
Speaker 1: our collective psyche and in this country. And I feel like,
37:59
Speaker 1: you know, and it's it takes so freaking it FeAs
38:05
Speaker 1: it feels like it's taking so long. When we think
38:08
Speaker 1: about the inception of the field of psychology or holistic studies.
38:12
Speaker 1: But it's like, the thing that really struck me during
38:16
Speaker 1: the whole last several years is like, how are we
38:19
Speaker 1: not calling out the fact that this person in office
38:26
Speaker 1: very clearly has mental disorders, very clearly, And then it
38:31
Speaker 1: turns into this, oh, we don't go around diagnosing. Okay,
38:34
Speaker 1: let's study it. Let's get the top psychologist, therapist, somatic therapist,
38:40
Speaker 1: cognitive therapists in the field to really look at the
38:44
Speaker 1: course of this person's life, at the decisions and choices made,
38:50
Speaker 1: at the thing said, at the very clear manipulations and lies.
38:55
Speaker 1: And to this day it strikes me that we haven't
38:57
Speaker 1: been calling that out. It's a clear dis play of
39:01
Speaker 1: someone who is disordered. Now in you know, in my
39:05
Speaker 1: understanding and my personal studies, obviously I can't make a diagnosis,
39:10
Speaker 1: but this is a whole sociopath. This is a whole
39:15
Speaker 1: high level on the spectrum narcissist, you know, and we
39:20
Speaker 1: need to be studying how one becomes that. Right, Like,
39:24
Speaker 1: if we look back at some of the things that
39:26
Speaker 1: have to do with Trump's background in his childhood, it's like, Okay,
39:29
Speaker 1: he had a father that clearly looked very disordered and
39:32
Speaker 1: mentally and emotionally and abusive. So at what point did
39:35
Speaker 1: that change him? At what point did that turn him
39:38
Speaker 1: into someone that is apathetic and has the inability to
39:41
Speaker 1: care and the inability to see truth in any way?
39:46
Speaker 1: And then how has that affected his main following, Because
39:49
Speaker 1: it's very clear that there is something on a psychological
39:54
Speaker 1: level that is happening or not happening with the people
39:57
Speaker 1: that cut for him, And I just don't understand, Like
40:00
Speaker 1: I'm tired of staying on the surface of everybody misusing language.
40:03
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, mental health, Oh wellness, wellness, Okay, to be well,
40:09
Speaker 1: we have to change. To be well, we have to
40:12
Speaker 1: step forward and speak truth and dive into and excavate
40:18
Speaker 1: and get in the damn crevices, you know, and disrupted
40:23
Speaker 1: and heal it. And so I feel like mental health
40:26
Speaker 1: is getting weaponized. I feel like wellness gets weaponized. I
40:29
Speaker 1: feel like so many people UM takeover language and it
40:34
Speaker 1: becomes used as a tool for spiritual bypass, an emotional bypass.
40:39
Speaker 1: And that's you know, that's what I really took away
40:42
Speaker 1: from one of the biggest things we needed to notice
40:45
Speaker 1: about this this UM last several crazy years in politics. See,
40:51
Speaker 1: and the thing too to me, is I started getting
40:56
Speaker 1: upset with people just escape voting Downald Trump, right, like
41:00
Speaker 1: talking about his mental health and him being a socio,
41:03
Speaker 1: which I agree with, Like again, clearly right, like you
41:07
Speaker 1: didn't need any more signs and not to joke about it.
41:09
Speaker 1: But like Harry Reid, Um the foreigner, former Senate majority
41:14
Speaker 1: leader said, and it's so right. He said, Donald Trump
41:17
Speaker 1: is the Republican Party's Frankie style, right. And the reason
41:21
Speaker 1: why he could say that is because Debbie, there were
41:24
Speaker 1: a bunch of enables, not all the primary voters, right
41:28
Speaker 1: with the whole point you were just making around. Oh,
41:30
Speaker 1: but he's resonating with some folks, Now why is that?
41:32
Speaker 1: And still, even if it's not um the sociopath behavior
41:39
Speaker 1: on the Democratic side of the aisle, wouldn't you said
41:44
Speaker 1: it starts to develop a hierarchy for humanity where you
41:48
Speaker 1: say it's okay for me to take advantage of this
41:50
Speaker 1: group of people, it's okay for me to marginalize this
41:52
Speaker 1: group of people. It's okay for me to leave you
41:55
Speaker 1: forgotten and voiceless over here, But these folks over here,
41:58
Speaker 1: we gotta look out for it. Whatever that is in
42:01
Speaker 1: our psyche and our collective psyching or collective consciousness that
42:04
Speaker 1: has to change. It's not just yeah, it's not just
42:09
Speaker 1: the individual diagnoses. It's it's also on a macro level.
42:13
Speaker 1: What needs to shift these systems of oppression that have
42:16
Speaker 1: been here for so long that people are now so
42:18
Speaker 1: comfortable with they will start an insurrection on January six
42:21
Speaker 1: at the nation's capital. What has to shift for that?
42:24
Speaker 1: What about the way you define power has to change
42:28
Speaker 1: so you know that abuse of power is not acceptable.
42:30
Speaker 1: It never was. And that's what I mean, like, we
42:33
Speaker 1: need to be studying the whole look at the gas
42:36
Speaker 1: lighting of America, especially because we are, in comparison such
42:40
Speaker 1: a new country. You know, we're the leading in the world.
42:44
Speaker 1: But seventeen seventy six is when we started populating over here.
42:47
Speaker 1: And the way that we did um and we brought
42:50
Speaker 1: you know, we quote unquote created a government system rooted
42:53
Speaker 1: inequality and from the very words of our constitution mirrored
42:59
Speaker 1: against what was actually happening. That is the definition of
43:03
Speaker 1: gas lighting. We were denying reality as a country. We
43:06
Speaker 1: were saying something, writing something, asking people to memorize and
43:11
Speaker 1: declare something that was not actually true or happening. And
43:15
Speaker 1: it's like that fundamental um, that fundamental mistruth is what
43:23
Speaker 1: everything this society that we've created here is built upon.
43:26
Speaker 1: Our consumerism is built upon, our advertising is built upon.
43:30
Speaker 1: And so it's like, at what point do we really
43:33
Speaker 1: look at the mechanics of that to create systems of change?
43:38
Speaker 1: You know, And there's so many layers of things that
43:41
Speaker 1: have to be excavated, cleaned, cleared, um looked at and created.
43:48
Speaker 1: But I think at a fundamental level, it really starts
43:50
Speaker 1: with the way in which we have really messed up
43:55
Speaker 1: the human psyche in America. And we can't you know,
44:01
Speaker 1: in my kind of generalized way of saying or talking
44:06
Speaker 1: about it in this moment, it's just we can't be well,
44:10
Speaker 1: we can't make the significant sweeping changes that have to
44:14
Speaker 1: be made to honor our individual humanity until we really
44:18
Speaker 1: look at the mechanics of our foundation and how that
44:22
Speaker 1: informed the ways that we look at ourselves, feel about ourselves,
44:26
Speaker 1: treat ourselves, especially in this country. Yeah, that's the thing, Dabby.
44:32
Speaker 1: It's like when you talk about the foundational work, and
44:35
Speaker 1: I think, going back to what you were, you know,
44:38
Speaker 1: saying to me on my own journey, I think that's
44:41
Speaker 1: really what's behind the men, like, I'm not gonna go
44:45
Speaker 1: around just pointing out all of the shortcomings of this country.
44:49
Speaker 1: Are the people who continue to implement those abuses? What
44:53
Speaker 1: do I need to change too? Because I don't want
44:55
Speaker 1: to be even an accidental perpetrator of that, right, Like
44:59
Speaker 1: I don't want to participate in that, Like, how can
45:02
Speaker 1: I be in the highest level of integrity across the
45:06
Speaker 1: board in my own systems that I create in my business,
45:09
Speaker 1: in my relationships with myself? And I'm not saying, oh,
45:13
Speaker 1: I need to do this personal work and then American
45:15
Speaker 1: can figure out. No, we can operate on two tracks.
45:18
Speaker 1: But I also want to make sure that I'm seeing
45:20
Speaker 1: it as clearly as possible that I can, you know,
45:23
Speaker 1: approach this with compassion, with empathy for the people who
45:26
Speaker 1: are on the other side of the abuses, especially for
45:30
Speaker 1: the other folks. I just want to tell them the truth.
45:31
Speaker 1: I'll try to do that more tenderly in love. But
45:34
Speaker 1: it's really hard. Four hundred past years later, but it's tough.
45:40
Speaker 1: It's tough, and you and you hear those conversations so
45:42
Speaker 1: often where people are like, well, I didn't own slaves,
45:45
Speaker 1: and it's like no, but you're the benefactor of folks
45:48
Speaker 1: he did. You're the beneficiary of folks dead, and so
45:51
Speaker 1: can you at least own that responsibility, you know, And
45:55
Speaker 1: that's why I'm saying, like even in the smallest, the
45:57
Speaker 1: micro you know, level examples of that, Like for myself,
46:02
Speaker 1: when I've done something wrong and even if I didn't
46:04
Speaker 1: think it was that bad, can I own my own wrong?
46:07
Speaker 1: It's the same thing, you know, Like we have to
46:11
Speaker 1: um model the behavior that we want to see, and
46:14
Speaker 1: I think that's that gets us closer to where we
46:16
Speaker 1: want to be. Thank God for the folks that were
46:18
Speaker 1: the allies out here or the accomplices they say allies
46:21
Speaker 1: not as stronger word these days. For the accompliceses who
46:23
Speaker 1: will do that work and will challenge their friends and
46:26
Speaker 1: family members to do that same work. It's imperative. They
46:29
Speaker 1: can't shift without them. Literally, Yeah, what a time to
46:35
Speaker 1: be alive, What a time to be alive? I think
46:40
Speaker 1: in so many ways, like it's I find it to
46:42
Speaker 1: be exhausting but exciting, you know. It's like, think of
46:48
Speaker 1: all the generations that of people, and it was probably
46:51
Speaker 1: fewer amounts that were noticing things like this, but there
46:55
Speaker 1: was no way to speak it. There was no way
46:56
Speaker 1: to actually make personalized choices that created different ways of being.
47:01
Speaker 1: And it's like, even on even on some of the
47:04
Speaker 1: harder days being here on earth, and this crazy, crazy
47:09
Speaker 1: experiment that's happening, that that gets me through that that
47:14
Speaker 1: really allows me to feel excited about the work. What
47:20
Speaker 1: are you excited about right now? Oh, I'm excited about growth.
47:26
Speaker 1: I'm also tired. I feel like I feel like life
47:30
Speaker 1: is coming at me fast on every side. But I'm like, Okay,
47:33
Speaker 1: clearly we're supposed to be in this UM right now.
47:36
Speaker 1: I've been describing this season as UM being in the
47:40
Speaker 1: like a hot desert with the sun beating down on you,
47:43
Speaker 1: and you're like, where can I just go hide in
47:46
Speaker 1: some shade real quick? And there's no place to go.
47:49
Speaker 1: So I'm excited about UM the journey and what's on
47:52
Speaker 1: the other side of it because I know that I'm
47:54
Speaker 1: going through it without very um, very many grace pockets
47:59
Speaker 1: for are a reason, like I need to learn in this,
48:02
Speaker 1: you know, in this haze up environment for whatever reason.
48:05
Speaker 1: I am also UM, I'm so excited for my godson
48:09
Speaker 1: who graduates this year or this UHO and will be
48:15
Speaker 1: UM going to college. I'm excited for his potential, Um,
48:19
Speaker 1: for all these young people who are doing dope and
48:21
Speaker 1: incredible things. Um, what else. I'm excited about this book,
48:28
Speaker 1: the journey for the book, I'm excited about that. Um,
48:32
Speaker 1: I'm so excited for this book too. I'm so excited
48:37
Speaker 1: for I know you're yeah, just knowing, you know, knowing
48:44
Speaker 1: some of the ways in which your mind works and
48:46
Speaker 1: your heart works. I just know that this book it's
48:50
Speaker 1: just gonna bless people. It's gonna free people. M hmm,
48:55
Speaker 1: thank you sis. Yeah, I'm excited about that. And I
48:59
Speaker 1: just feel like, Um, this season for me is really
49:04
Speaker 1: about Um, it's a cracking opening. You know, there have
49:07
Speaker 1: been a lot of places where you know, things broke off,
49:10
Speaker 1: broke up, broke down, But I know now like those
49:13
Speaker 1: pieces they shattered off me because there's something new. It's
49:17
Speaker 1: like snake skin. It's like really knowing, like there's an
49:20
Speaker 1: unfolding happening and it's so dope. And so when I'm
49:24
Speaker 1: when I'm not afraid of like, Okay, I don't know
49:25
Speaker 1: what's happening, I don't know where we're going. I'm like,
49:27
Speaker 1: but I can take comfort in knowing I'm so much
49:30
Speaker 1: better than when I began this journey, um, and that's
49:33
Speaker 1: exciting too, like for once, like okay, I have the
49:36
Speaker 1: faith to know it's going to be so much better.
49:38
Speaker 1: And that is exciting because I know I can't see it.
49:42
Speaker 1: I blind, not a DeFi because me so hard. It
49:58
Speaker 1: is like the funniest I don't think I've ever had
50:00
Speaker 1: a friendship quite like this. Yeah, you trolled me so hard.
50:05
Speaker 1: It's so funny, and you do it. You try to
50:07
Speaker 1: like sprinkle it in and like the sweetest little voice,
50:09
Speaker 1: like right before we hop off the phone, you'd like, okay, girl, okay,
50:13
Speaker 1: so this all right? Hold time. Know that I can't
50:20
Speaker 1: be a bigger troll than our dear brother. So she
50:26
Speaker 1: does have another troll. There's two of us. I know
50:29
Speaker 1: Lord helped me. She didn't see him right now. And
50:33
Speaker 1: then Angela be trying to make me think that I'm trolling.
50:35
Speaker 1: It's like I feel like I'm being gas lit by
50:38
Speaker 1: you too. You don't that was a troll momentous shout
50:48
Speaker 1: me a gaslighter. No never never never never, but yeah,
50:53
Speaker 1: but no, I'm And then I'm loving these nineties vibes.
50:56
Speaker 1: That's another thing I'm excited about. These nineties vibes. I
50:59
Speaker 1: hope David breaks out all the nineties fives. This is
51:01
Speaker 1: a whole Yeah. I don't know if everyone sees me.
51:03
Speaker 1: I don't know if we're doing this on video. We
51:05
Speaker 1: might have a clip. But I got my little thank
51:12
Speaker 1: yous vibe. They have somebody come get Angela. How So
51:20
Speaker 1: in case you are miss I just said I don't
51:22
Speaker 1: live in boxes. So I like fashion. I like candles.
51:25
Speaker 1: I like this store that Debby hit me too, called
51:28
Speaker 1: Shaman's Market. I like to eat. We both like. We
51:32
Speaker 1: like to laugh, we like to dance. I love Debbie's playlists.
51:37
Speaker 1: So I'm you really are You're so You're such an
51:41
Speaker 1: interesting person. Um. You have so many you have so many,
51:46
Speaker 1: so many beautiful facets of you, you know, and I
51:50
Speaker 1: think especially like your house is such a great representation
51:54
Speaker 1: of that. Um. It's such like the perfect eat. Just
52:00
Speaker 1: get it. The second you walk into your house. You like,
52:02
Speaker 1: I'm in Angela's psyche right now, I am inside of
52:06
Speaker 1: Angela right now. I get it. Okay, before we get
52:13
Speaker 1: out of here, UM, I'd like to ask I'd like
52:17
Speaker 1: to ask Angela if you have any soul work, um
52:21
Speaker 1: that you could share with the collective. Right now, and
52:23
Speaker 1: so you know, maybe that's something that you are personally savoring,
52:28
Speaker 1: um a point or a piece of self inquiry that
52:34
Speaker 1: could be journal too later, just thought about later. And
52:37
Speaker 1: I'd also love to know three things that you really
52:42
Speaker 1: enjoy that help you recharge yourself um or help you
52:46
Speaker 1: connect to you when you're in your process. That's good. Okay,
52:52
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do the three things first because I feel
52:54
Speaker 1: like that's easier. Um. So Debby y'all has hipped me
52:59
Speaker 1: to this idea of a salt bath with all of
53:02
Speaker 1: the songs, right y'all, like all of the salt like
53:07
Speaker 1: bags on bags on bags. Now, what deVie doesn't know
53:10
Speaker 1: is that I refused to do three bags and have
53:13
Speaker 1: some salt and I'm just doing one. But that's like
53:16
Speaker 1: three bags before I did at that time. But now
53:23
Speaker 1: see now I lose a draw off. But anyway I did,
53:27
Speaker 1: I did, I followed this stretch. It's the first time.
53:29
Speaker 1: But now I just do one whole bag. And I
53:32
Speaker 1: told Nausea to do this and she was like, you
53:34
Speaker 1: do a whole bag. This is like t Dallas And
53:36
Speaker 1: I was like, no, it's not said. I'm gonna tell
53:38
Speaker 1: you like dev told me, are you worth it? And
53:40
Speaker 1: she was like, I'm gonna put the whole bag in
53:43
Speaker 1: and listening. So I definitely loving these baths. I was
53:47
Speaker 1: gonna say, it's cheaper on Amazon. I ordered the Amazon brand.
53:52
Speaker 1: Have some salts, girl, if they're not sponsoring this podcast,
53:56
Speaker 1: but I want, I want everyone to have it. If
53:58
Speaker 1: you go into the store and you get the Doctor
54:00
Speaker 1: Teals which Amazon, which is great, it's but it is
54:04
Speaker 1: like fifteen dollars, and I go on Amazon and I
54:06
Speaker 1: get a bag with the same amount and it's like
54:08
Speaker 1: five dollars um. So you know, I like, I like Amazon,
54:12
Speaker 1: this podcast, not just these trips tomorrow. She didn't give
54:15
Speaker 1: you three shoutouts, and I tried to start. I'm sorry,
54:17
Speaker 1: I just really I want everyone to know how to
54:20
Speaker 1: get the things and how to get them on the low,
54:23
Speaker 1: so that it doesn't have to be a once a
54:25
Speaker 1: week thing or once a month thing, like could you
54:27
Speaker 1: do this three nights a week if you needed it?
54:29
Speaker 1: She could say this every podcast. If Amazon spins what
54:33
Speaker 1: I'm saying, she would say this. I would also like
54:35
Speaker 1: to go to space at some point, so I'll throw
54:38
Speaker 1: that out there too. Okay, So so that okay, I
54:41
Speaker 1: was not number one. I got two more more so
54:45
Speaker 1: the other things, the other things that um, I love.
54:50
Speaker 1: You may not remember this, but you told me you
54:53
Speaker 1: might remember this one that long ago. But you told
54:55
Speaker 1: me to do a playlist for my sixth green um,
55:01
Speaker 1: so that I could and eat some of the sixth
55:04
Speaker 1: grade food, so that I can remember some of the
55:06
Speaker 1: positive things and not just the negative trauma aspects of
55:09
Speaker 1: sixth grade. I love that playlist because it's two and
55:14
Speaker 1: it is epic. And I also have started um for
55:18
Speaker 1: my book, which is on freedom, like a playlist for that,
55:21
Speaker 1: and it's just like now and again, y'all don't understand,
55:23
Speaker 1: like y'all need to have Debbie do a playlist thing
55:25
Speaker 1: because she's very good at this. But the playlists, the
55:29
Speaker 1: playlists are a game changer. And it also has taught
55:33
Speaker 1: me that our holiness and those the most sacred moments
55:38
Speaker 1: can also have some ratchet in it. And in case
55:40
Speaker 1: you missed it, I am Sophista, Holy rat It was
55:47
Speaker 1: what about Sophista divine? That is so you, that is
55:51
Speaker 1: so you know, that's our whole friendship, that's our whole friendship.
55:55
Speaker 1: What do you mean it's our whole friendship? Okay, what's
55:58
Speaker 1: my third one? My third one is while you're thinking
56:00
Speaker 1: of three, I want to let everyone know that the
56:02
Speaker 1: piece about the playlist, especially as a relates to our
56:05
Speaker 1: inner child. I have an Inner Child episode that I
56:08
Speaker 1: dive more into that so that future interest look up
56:11
Speaker 1: the Inner Child episode. I'm watching that today or listening
56:15
Speaker 1: to that today. Um, I'm listening to that today. So
56:19
Speaker 1: my third one, So, I was writing in Mara brock
56:23
Speaker 1: a Kills space. He had me as an artist in
56:25
Speaker 1: residence for the last two months to write the book,
56:29
Speaker 1: and Mara was like, when you write right in flowy clothes.
56:32
Speaker 1: So I got all this stuff from I'm not gonna
56:34
Speaker 1: say where because they need to sponsor the peacast, but
56:37
Speaker 1: I got all this stuff from a place that should
56:40
Speaker 1: not be named that it's not the one that Debby
56:42
Speaker 1: kept saying someplace else. And I got all these like
56:45
Speaker 1: flow I'm gonna jump suit hers like fanatic, So jump
56:48
Speaker 1: through all these flowy pieces and it really does help.
56:52
Speaker 1: I do think that races where you right and you
56:56
Speaker 1: need to be supported, because I also love some stretch bands,
56:59
Speaker 1: and in those moments where you need to be supported
57:00
Speaker 1: and held, that's probably when you put on, you know,
57:03
Speaker 1: like stuff that will hold you a little more tightly,
57:06
Speaker 1: but the flowy thing, the stuff comes. So Mara, I
57:09
Speaker 1: love you for that. Shout out to you for that one. Um.
57:13
Speaker 1: Now the other question was what am I learning that
57:16
Speaker 1: I need to journal about? Or no, what what is
57:19
Speaker 1: maybe a thought that came to you that could be
57:21
Speaker 1: useful um for anyone listening to think about later. UM.
57:29
Speaker 1: So I've really been UM kind of chewing on this
57:34
Speaker 1: quite a bit. I did it, Um, I g live
57:36
Speaker 1: on it. But it is how we live in the
57:40
Speaker 1: gray matter. We really truly exist in the gray matter.
57:45
Speaker 1: But so often, sometimes on ourselves, but especially with other people,
57:49
Speaker 1: we love to put people in a black and white
57:52
Speaker 1: box like, oh, well you did this and this because
57:54
Speaker 1: of that. But when it comes to ourselves, it's like,
57:57
Speaker 1: well that happened because such and should we give ourselves
58:00
Speaker 1: is the grace of the reason. But with other people
58:03
Speaker 1: there's no grace for the reason. It's just like this
58:05
Speaker 1: is black, I can't believe you did that. You're terrible
58:07
Speaker 1: human being whatever it is. And really the truth of
58:12
Speaker 1: the matter is, um, we're human and UM not God.
58:17
Speaker 1: Because we have shortcomings, because we have thorns in the flesh,
58:23
Speaker 1: because we have temptations, because we have um trauma, because
58:27
Speaker 1: of all the things we experience that make us the
58:30
Speaker 1: humans who we are. That is what causes us to
58:34
Speaker 1: live in the gray matter. Those are the things that
58:36
Speaker 1: keep us humble, but they're there to keep us humble,
58:39
Speaker 1: so we'll be gracious to our neighbors. And so that's
58:43
Speaker 1: one of the things I'm really um noodling on and
58:47
Speaker 1: want to dig deeper into because I think there's a
58:49
Speaker 1: real blessing there. I'm someone who deals, you know, I'm
58:53
Speaker 1: I can be judgment on because I had the gift
58:54
Speaker 1: of discernment. I can be hypercritical because of that same gift.
58:58
Speaker 1: What happens if I deepen and to the grace around that?
59:01
Speaker 1: How much more discerning, intuitive, you know, and gracious would
59:06
Speaker 1: I be if I stayed right there? Was like, well,
59:08
Speaker 1: we live in the gray. It may not be that
59:11
Speaker 1: cut and dry. And as much as I would prefer
59:13
Speaker 1: that control, it's not mine they have. So that's what
59:17
Speaker 1: I would get now, a master less than on grace.
59:22
Speaker 1: We could all use a little more of it right
59:24
Speaker 1: for ourselves and in the way that we connect to others.
59:39
Speaker 1: It's rocking, it's funny because that even brings me back
59:43
Speaker 1: to how we started the show, with the way that
59:46
Speaker 1: people were reacting to things that were said, you know,
59:49
Speaker 1: and it's like, I think that was my overwhelming Um.
59:54
Speaker 1: You know, I don't really look at comments and I
59:56
Speaker 1: don't really open my d m s because it's just
59:58
Speaker 1: a lot of energy, even the really good stuff. It's
1:00:01
Speaker 1: kind of like, Okay, this is a lot you know,
1:00:03
Speaker 1: I still got to be in my life. Um. But yeah,
1:00:07
Speaker 1: it's even you know, even for I think about that
1:00:11
Speaker 1: sometimes as it relates to even the people that say
1:00:15
Speaker 1: unkind things to people online. You know, it's like, but
1:00:19
Speaker 1: if that's the only place that you feel you can
1:00:21
Speaker 1: be hard or expressed, or if that's your only way
1:00:24
Speaker 1: to release the inner chaos that you feel inside every day,
1:00:30
Speaker 1: and you think that that's actually giving you a release,
1:00:32
Speaker 1: Like I get it. I understand it, you know. And
1:00:35
Speaker 1: it's like it's not okay, and it's not quote unquote
1:00:37
Speaker 1: good whatever, you know, those polarities are. But I do understand,
1:00:43
Speaker 1: you know, um, which is why I think sovereignty is
1:00:46
Speaker 1: so important. Like being self sovereign, which is what was
1:00:48
Speaker 1: displayed in that clip, as opposed to you know, an
1:00:51
Speaker 1: idea of selfishness. It's like, we all have the right
1:00:56
Speaker 1: to act and be however we wish, um, but can
1:01:02
Speaker 1: we do it with a little more grace? Can we
1:01:04
Speaker 1: do it with more grace for ourselves and our needs?
1:01:06
Speaker 1: Can I still be in grace even if I see
1:01:09
Speaker 1: you trying to maybe get me out of it. Yeah, yeah,
1:01:17
Speaker 1: that's exactly it. And you know, Debby, to the point,
1:01:20
Speaker 1: even going back to boundaries, you're someone who I hope
1:01:25
Speaker 1: to emulate when communicating my boundaries. I didn't realize that
1:01:28
Speaker 1: I struggled with um setting boundaries. Like you know again
1:01:33
Speaker 1: that like that murdered him. That really is pervasive, I think,
1:01:36
Speaker 1: especially all my audi and what really used color? Right?
1:01:40
Speaker 1: But like, how can I take up this space for myself,
1:01:44
Speaker 1: you know, and without apology and still don't have to
1:01:47
Speaker 1: be rude? Just clear again, No I can't do that,
1:01:51
Speaker 1: just clear, no energy behind it, Just like no, I
1:01:54
Speaker 1: can't do that today. Like every time you tell me
1:01:57
Speaker 1: no where you can about something, I'm like, she got
1:02:00
Speaker 1: to do that. I'm cool, Like I'm cool. There's other
1:02:02
Speaker 1: friends of that. What do you mean? But I've never
1:02:04
Speaker 1: felt like that. It's like so like it's not a
1:02:07
Speaker 1: punitive boundary. It's that's such a beautiful way to say it. Yeah,
1:02:11
Speaker 1: it's not. It's not about punishing and it's not about withholding.
1:02:15
Speaker 1: And I think that's what we're trained to believe when
1:02:17
Speaker 1: someone says no, that it's a it's a power pool,
1:02:20
Speaker 1: or it's a withholding, or it's an eventsiness, and it's like,
1:02:24
Speaker 1: but if we don't know the inner workings of everyone's life, like,
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Speaker 1: we can't assume that, you know, we don't understand the
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Speaker 1: polls that people have. And sometimes it's just, hey, it's
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Speaker 1: just no, because we deserve that too. Without reason, it
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Speaker 1: can just be no for a no. Um. But it takes.
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Speaker 1: It takes so much practice, and I think that's why
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Speaker 1: it was so it really was beautiful for me to
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Speaker 1: see the mixed responses because that helps me know where
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Speaker 1: people are at and that further informs my work. And
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Speaker 1: my work is to help people be free. My work
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Speaker 1: is to help people accept themselves and love themselves at
1:02:58
Speaker 1: the deepest level. Um. But yeah, it takes. Boundaries take
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Speaker 1: such a tremendous amount of practice. And I remember when
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Speaker 1: I first realized that I severely lacked having any boundaries
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Speaker 1: in my life. The first few months of being in
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Speaker 1: practice with it, it was really scary. It was it
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Speaker 1: was excruciating and saying no, I mean to say no
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Speaker 1: to one thing that now I would girl no and
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Speaker 1: I would walk away and never think of it again.
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Speaker 1: I would think about it for days, how to say
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Speaker 1: no in just the way or how you know, And
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Speaker 1: it's like I can cast all of that aside. You know,
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Speaker 1: if my no brings up something and someone else, then
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Speaker 1: I definitely should have said no. Then I know I'm
1:03:41
Speaker 1: right on track. You know, Like if my no to
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Speaker 1: somebody is causing you to want to disrespect me, be
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Speaker 1: angry at me, being judgment of me, you need in
1:03:51
Speaker 1: my not too, because you have to explore how you
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Speaker 1: feel about your boundaries and other people's boundaries, you know.
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Speaker 1: But it's a you know I loved because even to
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Speaker 1: that clip, people are like, oh my god, I want
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Speaker 1: to say no like that. I want to be able
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Speaker 1: to do that. You have to practice it every day.
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Speaker 1: It It took me my whole life to learn how
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Speaker 1: to say no. And that's why I say it was
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Speaker 1: such depth and such joy. Now I don't say I'm
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Speaker 1: not like no, I'm like, oh no, no, thank you,
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Speaker 1: like have you ever been Have you ever been? Like No?
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Speaker 1: But I know, and that's that's what I think is
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Speaker 1: so And we talked about this on the episode that
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Speaker 1: I hope everyone listens to. But I think that is
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Speaker 1: what's so great about being in friendship with other people
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Speaker 1: who love themselves or even and I know that takes time,
1:04:51
Speaker 1: and so if anyone is listening does not feel deep
1:04:54
Speaker 1: in their own self love, that's okay. You're getting there.
1:04:57
Speaker 1: You will be there, and you are worthy of love
1:04:59
Speaker 1: right now and this moment. But it's so beautiful to
1:05:03
Speaker 1: be in practice with our friendships, to be in a
1:05:05
Speaker 1: space where one wrong answer or one trigger or one
1:05:09
Speaker 1: poke of a wound doesn't mean that we're now cast aside.
1:05:12
Speaker 1: And you know, I don't believe that. Um. I don't
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Speaker 1: consider people to be disposable. No one, even people that
1:05:21
Speaker 1: I disliked, even people that I have cut out of
1:05:23
Speaker 1: my life, I still think that they're worthy of love,
1:05:26
Speaker 1: that they are beloved children of God. But I can
1:05:29
Speaker 1: make a conscious choice to not be an active participation
1:05:32
Speaker 1: with them. But I don't think people are disposable, and
1:05:35
Speaker 1: especially friendships, Like I don't think that there is anything
1:05:39
Speaker 1: that we can't be on the other side of or
1:05:41
Speaker 1: at least at personal peace with even if there's distance
1:05:45
Speaker 1: with a conversation, you know, And so I love like
1:05:48
Speaker 1: in our friendship and our friendship with Lenard and our
1:05:51
Speaker 1: and in many of our friendships that we have separately
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Speaker 1: with people, it's like we can be in practice. We
1:05:58
Speaker 1: can get it a little wrong. Some times it's okay.
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Speaker 1: We can get it really right. You know. I can
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Speaker 1: say something and you can be like, listen, I respect it.
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Speaker 1: Please don't talk to me like that. That's not how.
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Speaker 1: That's not how you have to get that across to me,
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Speaker 1: you know. Or Hey, I didn't feel what Can you
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Speaker 1: give me more clarity on what you met when you
1:06:15
Speaker 1: said that? Or I heard a tone in that. Can
1:06:18
Speaker 1: you just let me know what you were feeling inside?
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Speaker 1: You know? And we don't have to be an agreement
1:06:24
Speaker 1: about any of it. I could still be mad, you
1:06:26
Speaker 1: could still be mad. But can we can we communicate
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Speaker 1: from a deeper aspect of ourselves, from a higher aspect
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Speaker 1: of ourselves over here, dropping, thank you for coming on
1:06:38
Speaker 1: this show. I know you're about to disappear from the
1:06:40
Speaker 1: world because you're going um into full writing mode and
1:06:44
Speaker 1: you're gonna be on sabbatical a little one. I'm nervous.
1:06:50
Speaker 1: What's that gonna look like for you? I have a
1:06:52
Speaker 1: rigorous schedule that I wrote out so that I'm clear
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Speaker 1: about the fact that I'm on assignment, and so the
1:06:57
Speaker 1: sabbatical is not rested. Is just like being a track
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Speaker 1: so I can be an available, accessible vessel. That is
1:07:06
Speaker 1: my mission right now. Yes, so you gotta move off that.
1:07:11
Speaker 1: Mm hmm. That's so powerful. Yeah, Angela Ry, I love you,
1:07:17
Speaker 1: thank you. I'm so glad you can see better than
1:07:26
Speaker 1: Superman shot you vision on this thing. Everybody, please, UM,
1:07:33
Speaker 1: take Angela's deep, deeply wise and beautiful tips with you.
1:07:39
Speaker 1: Think about them today. Um, if you have any time
1:07:42
Speaker 1: later today, maybe pull out a line that really meant
1:07:45
Speaker 1: something to you and close your eyes and meditate on it.
1:07:49
Speaker 1: Write a couple of bullet points to it. But anything
1:07:52
Speaker 1: that resonates that you hear in this show, even anything
1:07:55
Speaker 1: that brings up charging you, take time to spend with it.
1:08:00
Speaker 1: Spend time with it, see where it leads you. Thank
1:08:03
Speaker 1: you for listening, big love, and I must stay. Hey,
1:08:07
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