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Cheyenne Dog Soldiers & Secrets of the Skinwalker with Tom Springer · The Cryptid Huntress

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Speaker 1: Ye, Well, good evening everybody. It's the Crypti Huntress. I'm
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Speaker 1: having a fantastic conversation tonight. We're going to be talking
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Speaker 1: about the Shyenne Soldiers, the dog men. Not the same
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Speaker 3: Uh.
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Speaker 1: But but when we were talking towards the end there,
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Speaker 1: we were talking about the dog men Skinwalker's window goes
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Speaker 1: and uh, I said, hey, let's bring you on and
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Speaker 1: talk about like even the Chyenne dog soldiers too. And
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Speaker 1: we were talking I think we're talking about rituals, right yeah. Okay, Well,
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Speaker 1: let's let's just dive into it tonight, shall we.
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Speaker 2: Okay, So for a history lesson first, I'm gonna give
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Speaker 2: at a little bit of knowledge about who the Cheyenne were,
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Speaker 2: just the overall ending so what a lot of people
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Speaker 2: if anyone knows anything about the Cheyenne, they normally know that.
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Speaker 2: They normally know that they're a Midwest Plains type of
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Speaker 2: indigenous person. But they actually originated in Minnesota in the
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Speaker 2: sixteen hundreds and they did nothing. They did not have
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Speaker 2: horses or anything else until they hooked up with Lakota
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Speaker 2: excuse me, in the eighteen hundreds. And they basically hooked
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Speaker 2: up with the Lakota all the way untill they got
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Speaker 2: to the Dakotas and then they separated out, got horses
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Speaker 2: everything else. But even in even in tribal culture, they
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Speaker 2: were they were the ones that were kind of the
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Speaker 2: odd ones out. They were the ones who weren't well known.
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Speaker 2: In fact, there's a hat I'm gonna try to remember it.
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Speaker 2: How to me it uh how met nail means foreign
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Speaker 2: language or foreign person, and that's what a lot of
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Speaker 2: the tribes called them because they didn't understand their tribe.
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Speaker 2: And uh So to go on to the to what
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Speaker 2: we're talking about, the the Dog Soldiers or the dog
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Speaker 2: men or the Dog warriors, and known by all three
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Speaker 2: a semi well known back then prophet. His name was
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Speaker 2: Sweet Medicine is what they called him. And he had
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Speaker 2: a vision of one of the lower warriors that should
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Speaker 2: become one of the tribal leaders or one of the
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Speaker 2: one of the war war leaders. And uh he he
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Speaker 2: went to this to this lower ranking soldier or this
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Speaker 2: warrior and said, hey, I believe that you should be
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Speaker 2: in charge of running one of the military type groups
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Speaker 2: that we have. When that was presented to the rest
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Speaker 2: of the to the rest of the leadership, because the
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Speaker 2: Chiant has something called the forty four Tribes or the
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Speaker 2: forty four leaders, and they were voted for every year
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Speaker 2: to run everything the civil in the military, and everything else.
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Speaker 2: And when they came about and this lower warrior came
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Speaker 2: out and said, hey, I'm supposed to be this person.
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Speaker 2: I'm being told by this prophet that I'm supposed to
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Speaker 2: be this person. They actually excommunicated him. They kicked him
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Speaker 2: out and they said, no, this is not your place,
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Speaker 2: and you're not allowed to even think about being in
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Speaker 2: that place. So he left, but he just went right
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Speaker 2: outside of the of the lands basically of the where
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Speaker 2: everyone was camped out, and he began to sing, and
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Speaker 2: he began to kind of cry out, and he began
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Speaker 2: to pray and cray, you know, to their gods and
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Speaker 2: everything else, and the dogs started to howl when he
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Speaker 2: would do this, and he finally said, I'm leaving. I'm
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Speaker 2: going to go, and he was went out towards one
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Speaker 2: of the rivers that was close by, and the dogs
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Speaker 2: followed him. He was almost like the pied piper for
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Speaker 2: the dogs. And when he went there, he kind of
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Speaker 2: settled down when the dogs formed a circle around him.
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Speaker 2: And when the dogs formed a circle around him, the
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Speaker 2: legend goes that a lodge magically appeared in the area
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Speaker 2: and all the dogs went in to that lodge and
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Speaker 2: when they came out, they came out as human and
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Speaker 2: they came out as warriors, and they were following him.
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Speaker 2: So he was known as the leader of the dog warriors,
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Speaker 2: of the dog soldiers, and what is their greatest I mean,
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Speaker 2: they became to know as one of the most deadly
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Speaker 2: types of Indian fighting tribes there was, hands down, and
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Speaker 2: the dog soldiers were the ones who were known to
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Speaker 2: be that way. And whenever they fight, they were given
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Speaker 2: three sacred arrows, and that came from a myth further
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Speaker 2: on back about the four sacred arrows that sweet medicine
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Speaker 2: was given. But each member was given three sacred arrows,
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Speaker 2: and when they would fight the leaders, there's four main people,
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Speaker 2: four main warriors. They would they had these ropes around
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Speaker 2: there that always went from the right to the left,
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Speaker 2: and they were made out of certain materials that included
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Speaker 2: human hair, and they would take one of their sacred
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Speaker 2: arrows and they would stick it into the ground and
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Speaker 2: however far that rope went, that was the place that
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Speaker 2: they would protect. They would basically say that they would
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Speaker 2: die fighting. And when that happened and they came to
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Speaker 2: that power, everyone that fought against them saw them appeer
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Speaker 2: as wolves. They didn't see them appeer as people anymore.
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Speaker 2: And it was tied into the legend of the dog
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Speaker 2: that where they were dog soldiers, and now it looked
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Speaker 2: like they were fighting a wolf, and some people even
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Speaker 2: identified them as were wolves because their power, their strength
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Speaker 2: was so phenomenal that they could not beat the dog warriors,
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Speaker 2: or they couldn't beat the dog soldiers, and that's why
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Speaker 2: dog soldiers became to be synonymous with how strongly they
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Speaker 2: fought and how well they fought, and even what they
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Speaker 2: wore was very specific, all the way down to that
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Speaker 2: headdress right there. Initially, the head dress started off and
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Speaker 2: there's a what a lot of people don't understand is
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Speaker 2: the headdress is not simply for the chief. That's a
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Speaker 2: myth that non Native Americans believe or no. But the
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Speaker 2: greatest warriors were given the honor of warring what's called
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Speaker 2: the bonnets. That's what that is called. It's called a
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Speaker 2: bonnet on their head. And for the dog soldiers, they
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Speaker 2: were made up. Initially they were made up of large
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Speaker 2: and small feathers, and they'd all stick up like this,
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Speaker 2: and they started randomly bringing them out to where it
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Speaker 2: looks like what you're looking at the picture. And later
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Speaker 2: on in the when they when they began to get
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Speaker 2: towards the end of where they were strong, when their
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Speaker 2: time was coming up, because the US cavalry and everyone
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Speaker 2: was just too strong for him. All their bonnets were
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Speaker 2: made from eagle feathers and it was just it was
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Speaker 2: it shown up so much more in strength that people
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Speaker 2: were afraid even to go up against them. They It
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Speaker 2: even states that with their bow and arrows they were
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Speaker 2: scaring a cavalry that had their guns with them, and
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Speaker 2: a lot of them went the other direction. They refused.
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Speaker 2: They would fight other tribes, but they refused to fight
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Speaker 2: the dog soldiers because they were afraid of fighting a
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Speaker 2: wolf or fighting a were wolf that they've heard them about.
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Speaker 2: So they even with their weapons, they were like, we can't,
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Speaker 2: we can't fight them. But they're too straight, they're too
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Speaker 2: they's too too strong, too powerful, too great. We don't
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Speaker 2: have the ability. Something else has to come up to
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Speaker 2: help us fight the dog the dog soldiers or the dogmen.
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Speaker 2: And that's uh, that's kind of how it came about.
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Speaker 2: And but even I mean even their belt, their belt
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Speaker 2: was made from four skunk hides. They all wore the
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Speaker 2: same belt. They all carried a whistle so they can
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Speaker 2: keep in contact with each other, and the whistle was
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Speaker 2: always made out of an eagle bone, so they all
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Speaker 2: carried the same eagle bone. And one of the pictures
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Speaker 2: you showed it showed that the they always painted themselves,
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Speaker 2: and they always painted their horses. Now that one they're
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Speaker 2: the horsesn't painted. But the face that you see there
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Speaker 2: is the typical face painting of what they would use
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Speaker 2: for the dog soldiers, and that put fear into a
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Speaker 2: lot of people simply looking that they swore that they
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Speaker 2: were looking into the face death.
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Speaker 1: Well it kind of look like ghosts from Halo, Right,
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Speaker 1: is that ghost from Halo?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know, but but a lot of a
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Speaker 2: lot of them are saying that it's just the paint
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Speaker 2: themselves would would put the fear into straight into the people.
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Speaker 2: And what's not pictured there is the horses were painted,
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Speaker 2: and they were painted to look like horses of death. Basically,
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Speaker 2: they wanted them to think that death was riding towards
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Speaker 2: those who were about to fight against them. Uh. And
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Speaker 2: that's and it was either either they were going to
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Speaker 2: die or the dog men or the dog soldiers were
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Speaker 2: going to fight to the death. Either way, someone was
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Speaker 2: going to die. The dog soldiers have known that they
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Speaker 2: did not have sympathy or empathy. They did not take prisoners.
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Speaker 2: They did very very horrible and malicious things to anyone
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Speaker 2: that they faced. There. There were no there were absolutely no. Yep.
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Speaker 2: They did porcupine hair as well. They asked you porcupine
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Speaker 2: quills and a lot of their designs. And it's also
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Speaker 2: known that the bravest of the soldiers, I mean, like
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Speaker 2: the leaders of the leaders, they would actually take the
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Speaker 2: human scalps, the human hairs that they got from the scalps,
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Speaker 2: and they would actually wear them as leggings into battle
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Speaker 2: because they believe that being protected by those who killed
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Speaker 2: gave you greater strength.
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Speaker 1: Wow.
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Speaker 2: I mean so if you're if you're watching one of
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Speaker 2: these is painted as death coming towards you in a battle,
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Speaker 2: with the war cry and with the whistle and everything else,
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Speaker 2: with human hair scalps hanging off your legs, you may
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Speaker 2: think twice about if you really want to take this
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Speaker 2: fight up or not.
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Speaker 1: This was terrifying, actually, I mean just it sounds very
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Speaker 1: like ominous. I mean, these are this is the last
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Speaker 1: band of warriors that you want to fight, coming at
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Speaker 1: you with their face fans, and that was it was
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Speaker 1: a call of duty. I'm sorry. My son would kick
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Speaker 1: my butt right now if I because see you you
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Speaker 1: know that I don't play those games, y'all, y'all can
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Speaker 1: tell right, don't.
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Speaker 2: Quite some time, I know, we'll see.
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Speaker 1: My son does, though, And and he's got he's got
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Speaker 1: the ghost mask. That's that's actually. I put up on
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Speaker 1: my social media and day a review from Amazon that
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Speaker 1: popped up on my phone and said, hey, your review
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Speaker 1: is getting some attention, and I read it and it
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Speaker 1: was my son complaining about his ghost mask call of duty.
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Speaker 1: He was so mad and he it was you could
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Speaker 1: you could understand what it said. You could tell a
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Speaker 1: you know, an eight year old had written it. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: it was pretty funny. He was like it sucked. But anyways,
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Speaker 1: but yeah, yeah, but it reminds me of ghosts from
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Speaker 1: from that mask that my son had. And yeah, that's unsure.
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Speaker 2: That's just that's how they were. In fact, the Dog Soldiers,
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Speaker 2: the Shyan Dog Soldiers, the last Cheyenne tribe section of
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Speaker 2: the tribe that were not basically agreed, you know, made
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Speaker 2: a pact or made a treaty with with the with
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Speaker 2: the Americans. They actually they actually came out and refused
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Speaker 2: to sign it. So they were actually considered outlaws because
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Speaker 2: they refused to sign the treaty that all the rest
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Speaker 2: of the Chyenne people did so. So, but they went
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Speaker 2: around and they still continued to to wreak havoc everywhere.
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Speaker 2: I mean, they fought everyone. It did not matter if
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Speaker 2: it was if it was to go against them or
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Speaker 2: to go against their lands, or to go against their people.
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Speaker 2: They went after them. It did not matter. And there
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Speaker 2: were so many people that just did not want to
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Speaker 2: face them. I mean they said, okay, so the Chyan
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Speaker 2: people are coming in. We have them all under control.
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Speaker 2: Were good. And then they came to him and the
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Speaker 2: chief Chief Porcupine Bear was actually his name, and he said,
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Speaker 2: we're not signing this treaty. I will take the sect
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Speaker 2: of tribesmen and we will go our own way, and
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Speaker 2: this is what we're going to do. Uh and the good.
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Speaker 2: So a lot of them, a lot of the Shian
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Speaker 2: people signed on with the treaty. Promised land, promised everything else,
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Speaker 2: which obviously worked out great. But so many people went
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Speaker 2: once chief once Chief cup Porcupine Bear said I'm not
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Speaker 2: doing this. Then they brought over to him like they
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Speaker 2: a lot of them turned over to want to be
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Speaker 2: part of the part of the dog soldiers, but not
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Speaker 2: anyone could not just everyone can be a dog soldier.
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Speaker 2: So they were given different parts to deal with. I mean,
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Speaker 2: to help to help keep the camps going and everything
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Speaker 2: else and uh. But they were not the ones that
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Speaker 2: went out to fight. They were the ones that really
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Speaker 2: paid attention to what was happening at the home life.
21:13
Speaker 2: So and it really was because a porcupine bear himself
21:17
Speaker 2: is why so many people came along. He was he
21:19
Speaker 2: had such a charisma about him. He was such a
21:21
Speaker 2: well known warrior and everything else that they were just
21:24
Speaker 2: drawn to him and they didn't want to follow the
21:27
Speaker 2: other chiefs that were signing off on giving up their
21:31
Speaker 2: land and being told they're going to be a treaty
21:33
Speaker 2: and they're going to accept this a little bit of whatever.
21:36
Speaker 2: So a lot of them just moved over, uh, and
21:39
Speaker 2: they went with them. So it was kind of cool.
21:43
Speaker 1: The real warriors were that didn't we're going to put
21:45
Speaker 1: up with it like that. I know, I can, I
21:48
Speaker 1: can relate to that, Yeah, I know, okay.
21:53
Speaker 2: So kinda the so the the Dogmen kind of, I
21:58
Speaker 2: don't want to say died out, but the kind of
22:00
Speaker 2: fell out of grace a little bit. But they they
22:07
Speaker 2: didn't fully I mean, they continued to fight, but they
22:11
Speaker 2: weren't quite as scary because all the other Chyanne people
22:14
Speaker 2: were already kind of in encampment and everything else. They
22:16
Speaker 2: weren't quite as what people expected, and they kind of
22:20
Speaker 2: thought they were dying out, like the whole fear of
22:23
Speaker 2: them were dying out. But in eighteen sixty four there
22:26
Speaker 2: was a Colonel John Covington, and he wanted to go
22:31
Speaker 2: wipe out what was left of the dog soldiers, and
22:35
Speaker 2: they came upon their encampments, their encampments over in Sand Creek,
22:41
Speaker 2: and the warriors were not there. The warriors were out
22:46
Speaker 2: doing what they're supposed to. Well, the colonel wanted to
22:50
Speaker 2: show that he was, you know, not going to deal
22:55
Speaker 2: with what was going on, so he killed one hundred
22:57
Speaker 2: and fifty women and children that were there at that
23:00
Speaker 2: encampment at the moment. And when that helped happened, he
23:05
Speaker 2: actually returned to Denver. The colonel returned Denver with a
23:09
Speaker 2: hundred of their scalps and said, I defeated them. Look
23:13
Speaker 2: what I did. They're afraid. And then when that happened,
23:23
Speaker 2: this kind of showed a lot of the people that
23:25
Speaker 2: maybe the dog Men had a right, maybe the maybe
23:28
Speaker 2: the Native Americans had a right, and maybe maybe the
23:32
Speaker 2: American people aren't the peaceful ones. Maybe it is the
23:36
Speaker 2: the Native ones. And there was another another warrior for
23:40
Speaker 2: the dog soldiers. His name is Roman Nose because he
23:43
Speaker 2: had a very prominent, well shaped nose.
23:46
Speaker 3: Uh.
23:46
Speaker 2: He was known as as Roman Knows and he helped
23:52
Speaker 2: build his this team back up and then they began
23:56
Speaker 2: to go and and at that point everyone became even
23:59
Speaker 2: more to the dog Men because it did not matter
24:03
Speaker 2: what happened, they left no personal live at all. The
24:09
Speaker 2: dogmen are like, you killed our families. You killed our wives,
24:13
Speaker 2: our daughters, our children. No one will be left standing
24:18
Speaker 2: when we're finished with you. So they left absolutely nothing behind.
24:22
Speaker 2: They decimated everything in their wake, and it was it
24:29
Speaker 2: was other groups began to see what they were doing.
24:33
Speaker 2: So there was another uprise from those those indigenous people
24:39
Speaker 2: that did not fall under the encampments or did the
24:41
Speaker 2: sign treaties. They were just trying to be peaceful, but
24:48
Speaker 2: they didn't want to fall under a treaty. But when
24:50
Speaker 2: this happened, they all rose up and they said, no,
24:54
Speaker 2: this is not this is not what we signed up
24:57
Speaker 2: for or what my people signed up for. So we're
25:00
Speaker 2: just going to try to take our lands back and
25:03
Speaker 2: with the support of the Dog soldiers, that's what they
25:05
Speaker 2: went for, and that's what they started following. Everyone started
25:08
Speaker 2: following the Dog soldiers. Regardless of what their what their
25:13
Speaker 2: tribe was, they still didn't want across the Dog soldiers
25:16
Speaker 2: because if you came across the Dog soldier, you know,
25:19
Speaker 2: if you if one if one native, if one tribe
25:22
Speaker 2: tribal group came across the Dog soldiers, the dog soldiers
25:25
Speaker 2: were still killed them. Don't care if your native, if
25:28
Speaker 2: you're still against me, you call this outlaws were killing everybody.
25:33
Speaker 2: So it was just like roaming across the entire planes
25:38
Speaker 2: the whole time. I mean, how do you stop something
25:40
Speaker 2: like that?
25:40
Speaker 1: So, well, you know, they created, they created let's just
25:43
Speaker 1: say they created a monster by and by that I
25:46
Speaker 1: mean like by taking out the women and the children
25:49
Speaker 1: and their families. Yeah, oh, the things that who they loved. Yeah,
25:54
Speaker 1: I mean I've seen John Wick, I know how this
25:56
Speaker 1: goes down. Okay, right, but I mean this is this
26:01
Speaker 1: is a tell as old as time right here though,
26:03
Speaker 1: And and so that those those guys knew what they
26:06
Speaker 1: were doing when they took out those people's families, right,
26:09
Speaker 1: the warriors.
26:11
Speaker 2: And they would say that when you so when it
26:12
Speaker 2: when they built back up again, and they were still
26:15
Speaker 2: living off of the legend of of being the dogs.
26:17
Speaker 2: You know, they they were dogs at one point and
26:20
Speaker 2: it became to life as humans, and the belief was
26:24
Speaker 2: still there that that the uh, the dog, the dog
26:33
Speaker 2: soldiers would still turn into were wolves or wolves when
26:36
Speaker 2: you were fighting them, that that legend never died because
26:39
Speaker 2: their strength was just so unbelievable, like when they when
26:44
Speaker 2: they stabbed one of those sacred arrows into the ground
26:48
Speaker 2: with the rope tight to it, saying, this is this
26:50
Speaker 2: is my area I'm going to cover and if you
26:52
Speaker 2: want it, you have to get through this area and
26:54
Speaker 2: I'll die protecting this land. Then, uh, you know, they
26:59
Speaker 2: people couldn't It was just crazy, and they couldn't believe
27:02
Speaker 2: how strong they were. And they were like, there's still
27:07
Speaker 2: the dogmen, there's still the dog Soldiers. And then even afterwards,
27:10
Speaker 2: when after the family died, you know, after they killed
27:13
Speaker 2: all those people, they believed they got even stronger. They
27:16
Speaker 2: believed that the soul of the wolf living in them
27:20
Speaker 2: became even stronger and even angry because now you're hurting
27:22
Speaker 2: the wolf pack, you know, you're taking out from the
27:24
Speaker 2: wolf pack, and this is not how this works. So
27:29
Speaker 2: that's basically what they turned to, you know. And of
27:32
Speaker 2: course the story of the battle over at Summit Springs
27:39
Speaker 2: with wild Bill Cody and everything else or Buffalo Bill, sorry,
27:42
Speaker 2: Buffalo Bill and all that was kind of the end
27:44
Speaker 2: of them. But all the way up through that time,
27:48
Speaker 2: so basically from the late seventeen hundreds, all the way
27:53
Speaker 2: up and through the almost almost one hundred years. This
27:58
Speaker 2: lived on over one hundred years. This myth lived on,
28:02
Speaker 2: and it's it's the understanding that right now there are
28:06
Speaker 2: still people who are have that same blood in them,
28:12
Speaker 2: so that bloodline still still runs. So and that's and
28:17
Speaker 2: that's a lot of the things that that are interesting today.
28:21
Speaker 2: And so one of the beliefs if you're if you
28:25
Speaker 2: have an understanding of native background, one of the beliefs
28:29
Speaker 2: is that that's where the werewolf came from, and that's
28:31
Speaker 2: why we still have werewolves today. It wasn't from certain
28:34
Speaker 2: places in other parts of the other countries. It actually
28:37
Speaker 2: originated with the dog soldiers or the dogmen right here,
28:41
Speaker 2: right here on the planes.
28:43
Speaker 1: So yeah, okay, I love this. I just actually this
28:50
Speaker 1: is bringing me back to my conversation I've had with
28:54
Speaker 1: d Tesher and Eric was on my show. We talked
28:56
Speaker 1: about berserkers, Oh yeah, and the Viking where wolves.
29:00
Speaker 2: Yep.
29:01
Speaker 1: Now you have Nordic ancestry, you could be a Viking? Okay,
29:07
Speaker 1: very well, could you could be? I have Viking blood
29:10
Speaker 1: as well, okay. And so it is very reminiscent of
29:15
Speaker 1: that conversation that I had with Eric about thes what
29:19
Speaker 1: do you think about that.
29:21
Speaker 2: So, I think there's a lot to it. So just
29:24
Speaker 2: so just so you're aware, you know, a house will
29:26
Speaker 2: have a Native American background. You one of my Native
29:30
Speaker 2: bloods is Cheyenne, So were wolf is that what you're saying? Well,
29:36
Speaker 2: I have. I definitely have the fighting attitude of both sides.
29:40
Speaker 2: The warrior so the Berserkers, I believe they So I
29:47
Speaker 2: tried to explain to people that even though they were
29:50
Speaker 2: continents of heart and they were, uh, they were such
29:54
Speaker 2: a different type of people, they were that they were
29:56
Speaker 2: the exact same people because everything came down to the land,
30:00
Speaker 2: protecting their land and protecting their families. It was it
30:04
Speaker 2: really does tie together. And I've done a lot of
30:06
Speaker 2: research for both of them. I've looked at the Native
30:09
Speaker 2: side and I've looked at my my Viking heritage, and
30:11
Speaker 2: I've noticed so many similarities throughout both of them that
30:15
Speaker 2: it very well could have could be that they both
30:19
Speaker 2: had that same mentality when it came to something, or
30:23
Speaker 2: maybe there was something that came from the Viking berserkers,
30:28
Speaker 2: you know, how they came about is very similar to
30:32
Speaker 2: what you would kind of see what what the Native
30:37
Speaker 2: dog soldiers were, you know, I mean they they were
30:40
Speaker 2: they weren't of this, They weren't just human, They were
30:44
Speaker 2: something else and the abilities and the powers were given
30:47
Speaker 2: to them by something else.
30:49
Speaker 1: So which could be ritualistic, right, magic rituals. That the
30:55
Speaker 1: direction that I'd really like to go in tonight too
30:57
Speaker 1: to talk with you about that, because I mean, any
31:00
Speaker 1: body would know about this, it would be you. Yeah,
31:05
Speaker 1: this is this is just it's mind blowing. But there's
31:08
Speaker 1: so many similarities between the Viking wear wolves and berserkers
31:13
Speaker 1: are two different things, of course, and the Chyenne dommin.
31:18
Speaker 2: Yeah. So I saw someone posted something on here about, uh,
31:23
Speaker 2: did the berserkers basically become berserk because they ate mushrooms?
31:26
Speaker 2: Certain mushrooms? That was part of it. But something had
31:32
Speaker 2: to be identified in you, and it was normally from
31:37
Speaker 2: birth that you were going to be a berserker, that
31:41
Speaker 2: that you were brought up a certain way, in a
31:43
Speaker 2: certain culture and in a certain m basically a certain
31:49
Speaker 2: way that that brought them to be berserkers. They knew
31:55
Speaker 2: they were going to be berserkers ahead of time, so
31:58
Speaker 2: it was something that was going to be So I
32:02
Speaker 2: saw Damien's question there or thing there two different.
32:05
Speaker 1: Things, two different different things S Walker and I do Tom.
32:10
Speaker 1: I do say s Walker after a while, like I'll
32:12
Speaker 1: say the regular word, and then I'm like, Okay, I've
32:14
Speaker 1: said it enough. It's s Walker. Okay. But but yeah,
32:19
Speaker 1: I think they're two different things too, So I agree
32:21
Speaker 1: with you.
32:21
Speaker 2: On that they are, and and it's just simply because
32:25
Speaker 2: how they how they're listed, how they're how they're talked about,
32:30
Speaker 2: how they're portrayed, are two totally different things. Because although
32:37
Speaker 2: the Dog Soldiers seem to have those abilities, seem to
32:42
Speaker 2: have great great abilities with their strength and their their
32:48
Speaker 2: willingness to fight and the fact they just couldn't be
32:50
Speaker 2: beat and they were so feared by I mean, I
32:55
Speaker 2: think they were feared by some of the some of
32:57
Speaker 2: the strongest tribes that you've ever heard of, that were
32:59
Speaker 2: known to be the fierce tribes, and they still feared
33:03
Speaker 2: the Dog Soldiers. They did not want to face the
33:05
Speaker 2: Dog Soldiers. It just was a group that they didn't
33:08
Speaker 2: want to do. So it's it's very interesting to see that.
33:14
Speaker 2: But when you're looking at the s Walker, something else
33:18
Speaker 2: turned them to that way. And they did that for
33:23
Speaker 2: for me, for dark reasons, not for for the for
33:28
Speaker 2: what the soldiers did was to protect their land, their
33:31
Speaker 2: people anything else. And plus the way that you I
33:34
Speaker 2: want to say, how they morphed is totally different as well,
33:39
Speaker 2: because when you when you were a dog man, or
33:44
Speaker 2: you're a dog soldier or a dog warrior, that's the
33:47
Speaker 2: three names. Form. They didn't take on a different form,
33:52
Speaker 2: but people saw them as a different form. They that
33:55
Speaker 2: it was almost like a hallucination because of the way
33:59
Speaker 2: that they fought, that they really felt like they were
34:02
Speaker 2: fighting wolves, and the way they worked in packs and
34:05
Speaker 2: the way they moved and there there was everything was
34:09
Speaker 2: the same as far as they had their four main
34:13
Speaker 2: warriors that would lead small seven other warriors and then
34:18
Speaker 2: you had the higher the highest warrior that would be
34:21
Speaker 2: in charge of that whole warrior pack is what they
34:24
Speaker 2: you know, to call them. So so yeah, it's a
34:29
Speaker 2: little different than what the s Walkers are based off
34:32
Speaker 2: of what they were using them for what they did.
34:34
Speaker 2: But but yeah, I guess we'll talk about that later,
34:37
Speaker 2: I'm assuming, so.
34:40
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, I definitely want to get into that conversation. Absolutely. Yeah,
34:45
Speaker 1: you know, just thinking about the Vikings and even the
34:50
Speaker 1: hyena dog soldiers and stuff. I just saw this. I
34:53
Speaker 1: was saying about the Viking warriors, I've seen about dragons
34:56
Speaker 1: and stuff. I actually that thought went through my mind
34:58
Speaker 1: because I actually saw what I think is as I
35:00
Speaker 1: was shown a petrified dragon in Alabama. Yeah too long ago, Yeah,
35:04
Speaker 1: a couple of months ago. He had and I believe
35:07
Speaker 1: that said and so and so my long Island befoot.
35:09
Speaker 1: Mike had said something about I'd love to ride on
35:11
Speaker 1: a dragon dragon into battle. I guess running behind some
35:14
Speaker 1: job men would be cool too. Oh my gosh. We
35:16
Speaker 1: can We can all dream, right, Mike. We can all dream. Yeah,
35:22
Speaker 1: we have. We have vivid imaginations. But I mean if
35:25
Speaker 1: you can dream it, you can be it, right, I
35:27
Speaker 1: mean we can be manifest these things. Be careful what
35:30
Speaker 1: you dream and think of, because even if it's dark,
35:32
Speaker 1: you can manifest that too, right, Tom.
35:34
Speaker 2: Absolutely, yes, so, but yeah, I mean so as far
35:40
Speaker 2: as when it goes to the berserkers, they they did
35:44
Speaker 2: have assistance in getting to their stage of rage, but
35:49
Speaker 2: a lot of it was taken in with knowing that
35:52
Speaker 2: you were going to grow up like that. What a
35:54
Speaker 2: lot of people don't understand is the Viking berserkers knew
35:57
Speaker 2: they were, Like I said, before, they knew they were
35:59
Speaker 2: going to be. Just like if you were spartan, you
36:02
Speaker 2: knew you were going to be a warrior, you know,
36:04
Speaker 2: And that's that's just how it was. A lot of
36:08
Speaker 2: the a lot of the Viking people knew they they
36:12
Speaker 2: were they were bred to be into roles, uh. They
36:16
Speaker 2: they knew they were going to fit into a certain
36:18
Speaker 2: area in society. A lot of them followed their their
36:26
Speaker 2: families backgrounds into whatever they were doing. If they were
36:30
Speaker 2: they were smiths, they were smiths to build weapons. If
36:33
Speaker 2: they were hunters, they were hunters, you know, type whatever.
36:36
Speaker 2: But all of them were warriors. All of them knew.
36:39
Speaker 2: Every single person in the Viking world knew that they
36:41
Speaker 2: could pick up a shield and they could pick up
36:43
Speaker 2: an axe, so they can pick up a shield, and
36:44
Speaker 2: they could pick up a spear, and all of them
36:47
Speaker 2: were going to be warriors. That was the main thing
36:49
Speaker 2: for them. They were warriors. Everything else was secondary. And
36:53
Speaker 2: except for the berserkers who were always training to get
36:58
Speaker 2: ready to do what they were bred to do, what
37:01
Speaker 2: they were going to do, and what they were going
37:04
Speaker 2: to maintain doing, which is going to be the ones
37:06
Speaker 2: who just ripped through absolutely everybody in their way and
37:10
Speaker 2: have no fear, no anything of what was about to happen,
37:14
Speaker 2: because the greatest form of life is death when you're fighting.
37:19
Speaker 2: So that's really what it boiled down to for them.
37:23
Speaker 1: Well, you lose your mind, right, It's almost like you're
37:26
Speaker 1: outside of yourself when you're doing stuff like that. It's
37:28
Speaker 1: almost like blackout blackout. Yeah, I'm not comparing that. It's
37:34
Speaker 1: a blackout drunk. Okay, it's not like that. It could be,
37:37
Speaker 1: but it's just like blackout rage, like where you just
37:40
Speaker 1: there's some people will say, well, they wake up and
37:44
Speaker 1: there's people in their house are deceased, and they're like,
37:46
Speaker 1: well they've been you know, bludgeoned or something, and they're like,
37:49
Speaker 1: I don't know. It turns out they did it, they
37:51
Speaker 1: just don't remember doing it because they had gone in
37:52
Speaker 1: a blind rage and like pass out or something. I
37:56
Speaker 1: watched the first forty eight. I've seen that happen before, Okay,
38:00
Speaker 1: but I've never been on the battlefield before like that.
38:03
Speaker 1: And and I know even even I've talked to friends
38:06
Speaker 1: of mine who have been in real combat overseas in
38:10
Speaker 1: the Middle East, yeah, and have had episodes let's just say, yeah,
38:16
Speaker 1: where you know, I.
38:19
Speaker 2: Say to me, you know my background.
38:21
Speaker 1: You know my background, I know your background. Our audience
38:24
Speaker 1: doesn't know your background.
38:25
Speaker 2: But it's the same thing. So so I used to
38:28
Speaker 2: do very bad things to very bad people when I
38:30
Speaker 2: was in the military.
38:32
Speaker 3: Uh.
38:32
Speaker 2: And it's true, there's times you would you would be
38:35
Speaker 2: done with the battle, and unfortunately a lot of mine
38:39
Speaker 2: came into Yes, that's very true. A lot of mine
38:45
Speaker 2: had to come down to hand to hand combat, and
38:48
Speaker 2: that's what happened. I mean, I'm shot twice, stabbed over
38:52
Speaker 2: thirty times, you know, scars all over my body from it.
38:56
Speaker 2: But sometimes you get done with a with a combat
39:02
Speaker 2: and you stand around and you're like, I'm just standing.
39:06
Speaker 2: I don't know how I'm still standing, and why are
39:09
Speaker 2: the thirty bodies laying around? What just happened to cause
39:12
Speaker 2: this problem? You know? So it was kind of that
39:14
Speaker 2: way for the For the berserkers, it's simply they had
39:21
Speaker 2: that they were given drugs to assist them to basically
39:25
Speaker 2: make them go berserk, as it was called. But they
39:30
Speaker 2: were bred to fight. So once they were bred to fight,
39:37
Speaker 2: they knew what the effects of the drug were going
39:40
Speaker 2: to have on them. Because they actually gave them the
39:42
Speaker 2: drug and controlled environments to see if it would actually
39:46
Speaker 2: turn them berserk and see what they would do, uh
39:49
Speaker 2: in a controlled environment. But that was something that happened
39:53
Speaker 2: separately then, just their training. But you know, you can
40:01
Speaker 2: see a lot of the same kind of things kind
40:03
Speaker 2: of happening in uh in military. You know, they did
40:07
Speaker 2: they did all the tests back then with the LSD
40:09
Speaker 2: and all the other drugs to see what what does
40:12
Speaker 2: it do to the human mind? Uh, you know, does
40:15
Speaker 2: it Does it make us violent? Does it make us melancholy?
40:18
Speaker 2: Can help us see through the future? Can it make
40:22
Speaker 2: us see remote viewing? I mean, there's a lot of
40:24
Speaker 2: different things that our government did that is simply a
40:30
Speaker 2: modern version of what they were doing back in the
40:33
Speaker 2: Viking age.
40:34
Speaker 1: Well, Tom, actually my friend Brian is in the chat
40:37
Speaker 1: is mont Talk is Strange speaking of which Okay, that's
40:41
Speaker 1: his YouTube channel. He took us on a tour of
40:44
Speaker 1: Camp Hero in Montaukt, New York. I was up there
40:47
Speaker 1: was actually we were there with a big group of
40:49
Speaker 1: mont Talk Project mont Talk Program Montalk Project survivors, people
40:55
Speaker 1: who have been put through horrible experimentations, somebody been kidnapped,
41:00
Speaker 1: some like Secret Space program participants. Let's just say against
41:06
Speaker 1: their will, okay, most of them. And yeah, and so
41:10
Speaker 1: so we I know all about Montalk. We've talked about
41:12
Speaker 1: it extensively here on the Channel and all the programs
41:15
Speaker 1: and the experimentation they were doing. Brian actually just released
41:18
Speaker 1: a book recently, a huge, thick book. It's like his
41:22
Speaker 1: life's work. He knows he's from Montalk, and he knows
41:24
Speaker 1: that place like the back of his hand and has
41:26
Speaker 1: and he was when I say he took us on
41:28
Speaker 1: a tour of Montalk. I don't think anybody knows Montalk
41:31
Speaker 1: better unless you were there with certain clearances. Okay, I'm
41:35
Speaker 1: just gonna say, I'm gonna leave it at that. But
41:39
Speaker 1: but yeah, we know about the experimentation.
41:42
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's and that's what, like I said, I
41:45
Speaker 2: think it's just a modern day version of what some cultures,
41:48
Speaker 2: some tribes tried to see what got their warriors to
41:52
Speaker 2: be the most dangerous, the most deadly. But you know
41:56
Speaker 2: and know what would happen in that fighting scenario. Oh
42:06
Speaker 2: I can't hear you.
42:07
Speaker 1: Oh sorry, I needed it real quick. I forgot put
42:10
Speaker 1: it back on. Yes, every time I have to clear
42:13
Speaker 1: my throat, I definitely mean that. You guys don't want
42:15
Speaker 1: to hear that. Okay, but I'm still healing, all right,
42:19
Speaker 1: But yeah, you don't you certainly don't want to get
42:22
Speaker 1: in the path of anyone who is under the influence
42:24
Speaker 1: of anything, who is in a rage. Okay, yeah, I'm not.
42:28
Speaker 1: I'm not going to talk about uh, never mind, I
42:30
Speaker 1: was gonna say something about my ex husband. We will
42:34
Speaker 1: go there, but no, it's it's you know, but yeah,
42:37
Speaker 1: in any kind of adrenaline, testoster like too much testosterone
42:41
Speaker 1: and uh a, drenaline. Really it's mostly adrenaline, and prophet
42:45
Speaker 1: pre says blackout.
42:46
Speaker 2: Adrenaline, yeah, blackout yep. Yeah. When you're putting a situation
42:51
Speaker 2: where all you're doing is fighting for your life or
42:54
Speaker 2: fighting for the life next to you, things have a
42:58
Speaker 2: tendency to So for me it was a little different.
43:02
Speaker 2: I actually had I would say ninety nine percent of
43:05
Speaker 2: the time I knew exactly what was going on because
43:08
Speaker 2: for some reason, when I when I fought, everything slowed
43:13
Speaker 2: down for me, like I saw everything happening almost before
43:17
Speaker 2: it happened. So I honestly think that's why I'm still
43:20
Speaker 2: alive today. But it's it's something that that I have,
43:27
Speaker 2: that had that ability to do when I was in
43:30
Speaker 2: those situations. Only a couple of times did I not
43:33
Speaker 2: know what happened after I was done. But I really
43:36
Speaker 2: do think that was tied to what someone mentioned like
43:38
Speaker 2: a like a blackout adrenaline. It was just it was
43:42
Speaker 2: just me fighting through everything, thinking that I was going
43:46
Speaker 2: to not survive that battle. All the other ones I
43:49
Speaker 2: knew I'd survived, but the ones that you never knew
43:52
Speaker 2: if we're gonna come out of the other end, I
43:54
Speaker 2: have a tendency not to remember.
43:58
Speaker 1: But that would make sense. Yeah, that would make sense.
44:02
Speaker 1: So you know, it's sure. It's almost like your body,
44:05
Speaker 1: your mind protecting you because you probably had to do
44:07
Speaker 1: things that are beyond comprehension.
44:11
Speaker 2: To stay a lot. Yeah.
44:13
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's your mind taking care.
44:15
Speaker 2: Of you, that is, And luckily it was also my
44:19
Speaker 2: body taking care of me, being able to react on
44:22
Speaker 2: its own without me having to think about it. It
44:25
Speaker 2: was just just a constant move.
44:27
Speaker 1: Or violence is necessary, sorry, when it comes down to it.
44:31
Speaker 2: It comes to it, Yeah, absolutely.
44:35
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, Well I wanted I wanted to actually go
44:39
Speaker 1: back a little bit and talk about that ceremony and
44:41
Speaker 1: the ritual that the that the dog soldiers did because
44:45
Speaker 1: according to the legend and the myth and now a
44:48
Speaker 1: lot of myths that I talk about and that I've researched,
44:52
Speaker 1: even some that I've done some remote viewing on some
44:54
Speaker 1: incidences and stuff. Sometimes those miss I think are could
44:58
Speaker 1: have been reality actually, but they sold us as miss
45:02
Speaker 1: for whatever reason. But they were saying that there's there
45:05
Speaker 1: were dogs that actually trotted in to the ceremony. It
45:08
Speaker 1: was dogs from from the community of the village, right the.
45:11
Speaker 2: Village from Yeah, dogs in the land that the that
45:15
Speaker 2: the tribe was on.
45:17
Speaker 1: Yeah, they turned into humans.
45:19
Speaker 2: They turned into humans. And basically it was because he
45:21
Speaker 2: was he was singing, he was going through all of
45:25
Speaker 2: his rituals to try to come up with a way,
45:30
Speaker 2: and ultimately he was trying to he was trying to
45:32
Speaker 2: find a way through his prayers and through his everything
45:35
Speaker 2: else to find a way to connect with the leadership
45:39
Speaker 2: that told him no. And at the end of it
45:44
Speaker 2: they told that he basically realized, I don't have a
45:47
Speaker 2: way to change their minds, so I'm just going to leave.
45:51
Speaker 2: But through the singing, the dogs came to him. The
45:56
Speaker 2: dogs were attracted to him and his singing, and through
46:00
Speaker 2: all the chanting and everything he was doing so when
46:02
Speaker 2: he left, they all just followed him. I mean, like
46:05
Speaker 2: I said, it was like the Pied Piper for dogs.
46:07
Speaker 2: And when he left, though, they and they talked about
46:10
Speaker 2: the dogs. They talked about they were all types of dogs,
46:14
Speaker 2: all types of dogs. A lot of them were wolves,
46:18
Speaker 2: but they still had just regular feral dogs that they had,
46:23
Speaker 2: and they followed him. And when he got to the water,
46:27
Speaker 2: when he got to the river, they all sat around
46:30
Speaker 2: him in a circle. Now why would why would they
46:32
Speaker 2: sit around you in a circle? How did the dogs
46:34
Speaker 2: notice it? Around you in a circle, you know, I
46:37
Speaker 2: mean exactly. And so what happened between the lodge magically appearing,
46:50
Speaker 2: which to me could have very well been a portal,
46:54
Speaker 2: and the dogs walking into it and then coming out
46:58
Speaker 2: as human? What what is that? You know? Could that
47:04
Speaker 2: have could that have simply been a portal? You know?
47:09
Speaker 1: So? Oh, okay, Tom, I have this interesting story and
47:12
Speaker 1: I don't want to get off track, but it has something.
47:15
Speaker 1: It has a connection because one of my teammates, his
47:19
Speaker 1: name is Tony Green. He's been on my show Love Tony.
47:22
Speaker 1: I'm going to see him next weekend, hopefully. Tony. His
47:27
Speaker 1: family has roots in let's just say black magic or Voodookay,
47:31
Speaker 1: he does not. He's a devout Christian okay. And and
47:35
Speaker 1: he actually when he comes on the show, he likes
47:38
Speaker 1: to he likes to even in the field too. He
47:40
Speaker 1: released a lot of what we experience with passages from
47:44
Speaker 1: the Bible. Okay. And and so it's super we have
47:48
Speaker 1: wonderful conversations about this. But when he was young, his
47:52
Speaker 1: great uncle it was either his uncle or his great
47:55
Speaker 1: uncle had done something and the police show of at
48:00
Speaker 1: their house, and so the uncle ran out the back door.
48:04
Speaker 1: And the story of his family, it's been passed down.
48:07
Speaker 1: I don't think that he saw this, but his family did.
48:09
Speaker 1: They said that his uncle ran in the backyard and
48:11
Speaker 1: went behind a tree. When the cops got there, and
48:14
Speaker 1: on the other side of the tree, a dog ran
48:16
Speaker 1: out and it ran into the woods, and the cops came.
48:21
Speaker 1: They did their thing, that he wasn't there, They couldn't
48:23
Speaker 1: find his uncle. And when the police left after a
48:26
Speaker 1: little while, a dog, the dog, same dog comes trotting
48:29
Speaker 1: out of the woods, goes behind that tree, and his
48:32
Speaker 1: uncle emerges from the other side. Yeah, so trees his
48:37
Speaker 1: portals portals. I don't know. But men, men turning into dogs,
48:41
Speaker 1: I mean dogs turning into men. It happened to his family.
48:46
Speaker 2: Yeah, and further into that story, the part I left out,
48:50
Speaker 2: and this will tiny into what you're talking about, uh,
48:53
Speaker 2: is that they would talk about the young the young
49:02
Speaker 2: warrior who was not fit to be the warrior, but
49:06
Speaker 2: he became the leader of the dog soldiers. When they
49:08
Speaker 2: sat around him, they went and they came out. They
49:10
Speaker 2: were all human when they would go to battle in
49:12
Speaker 2: the day and they would come back at night. At night,
49:15
Speaker 2: while they slept, they would turn back into dogs. They
49:18
Speaker 2: would sleep as dogs, and then we woke up they
49:23
Speaker 2: were back to human. So and that's the that's the
49:26
Speaker 2: story behind it is because they'd sleep as dogs, but
49:29
Speaker 2: they would because they were protected that no one would
49:31
Speaker 2: come hunt them down because all you're looking, you're looking
49:34
Speaker 2: for humans and all these people are dogs.
49:37
Speaker 1: So okay, is that where they're saying, let sleeping dogs
49:41
Speaker 1: lie or lay.
49:43
Speaker 2: So that's that's part of it. But yeah, that's that's
49:49
Speaker 2: part of that lore still is that that's what would happen.
49:52
Speaker 2: So that's why they were never found, That's why they
49:54
Speaker 2: couldn't be caught. That's why no one can sneak up
49:56
Speaker 2: on them. At night because they never knew where they were.
49:59
Speaker 2: That's where you never found the soldiers at night, because
50:01
Speaker 2: they were always they slept, they slept as dogs.
50:06
Speaker 1: Oh so that that is, that is that's pretty brilliant though.
50:10
Speaker 1: It's okay, it's a good camouflage.
50:14
Speaker 2: Right right out in the open, sleep as a dog
50:16
Speaker 2: right out in the open.
50:19
Speaker 1: Yeah, but that's that's a superpower. Okay, that's it's superpower.
50:24
Speaker 1: Is magic or something? Right now? I just the word
50:28
Speaker 1: magic keeps coming to mind.
50:29
Speaker 2: It's magic, right, Yeah, It's definitely something unexplainable, that's for
50:35
Speaker 2: that's for sure. I would I would love to know
50:39
Speaker 2: if my heritage ties back to the dog soldiers. But
50:45
Speaker 2: I I I almost have a tendency to think it
50:50
Speaker 2: does because if you look at everything I've ever done
50:53
Speaker 2: in readings of my past lives, this life i'm doing
50:57
Speaker 2: now everything else, I've always been a protector. I've always
51:02
Speaker 2: been a warrior. So it's just how I've always been
51:06
Speaker 2: through multiple lifetimes. When I so a lot of people
51:09
Speaker 2: know that I'm a I'm a I'm a star seed
51:13
Speaker 2: and I'm an my I resonate, I'm my DNA star
51:19
Speaker 2: seed is part of two. It's part of the Octorian
51:22
Speaker 2: and I was actually the the the primary protector for
51:31
Speaker 2: the Regulous Imperial Highnesses as an Arcturian but also as
51:39
Speaker 2: a as a Lyarn, I was a warrior and with
51:44
Speaker 2: the you know, that's where my blue eyes white white
51:48
Speaker 2: lion comes from, because I was a warrior and their feline.
51:52
Speaker 2: They have very feline features and they have blue eyes.
51:55
Speaker 2: And that's what my lion here stars he ties back
51:58
Speaker 2: into is that I was very interesting that I tie
52:01
Speaker 2: into those and I've always been a protector. So I
52:03
Speaker 2: wonder if I if my if I was able to
52:06
Speaker 2: search my DNA back far enough, I was actually part
52:09
Speaker 2: a source from a dog soldier.
52:12
Speaker 1: Oh, I have no doubt. I feel like I feel
52:14
Speaker 1: like you were. I mean, that's just my feeling. So
52:18
Speaker 1: I don't know, but I you know what, that just
52:19
Speaker 1: made me think of another another another thing that I've
52:24
Speaker 1: actually remote viewed. Okay, I was given a one of
52:27
Speaker 1: those blind targets, so I was given some coordinates. It
52:30
Speaker 1: turned out to be a containment facility for unknown species
52:35
Speaker 1: and then we're talking about cryptids. Yes, okay, and uh
52:39
Speaker 1: And it was an alleged or suspected area where there
52:42
Speaker 1: was a containment facility for unknown species, right, and uh.
52:47
Speaker 1: And I went into this target and I made direct
52:50
Speaker 1: contact with a feline extraterrestrial. Oh okay, Now I don't
52:55
Speaker 1: know it was. It looked very lion ish in this okay.
52:59
Speaker 1: And but the whole target, I thought that I figured
53:02
Speaker 1: that's what my target was. I mean, that's what I
53:03
Speaker 1: was communicating. I was actually communicating with this being, yeah,
53:07
Speaker 1: while I was remote viewing it. And so there are
53:10
Speaker 1: I think that there are whatever that was was in
53:12
Speaker 1: that containment facility being held against his will, by the way.
53:17
Speaker 2: Absolutely, yeah, I think there's more than that going on
53:21
Speaker 2: that then, I mean, obviously more of that going on
53:24
Speaker 2: than it is being led onto. But yeah, I definitely
53:28
Speaker 2: believe that.
53:30
Speaker 1: So well, that reminded me of the lyrens. And actually
53:33
Speaker 1: they say that the Lyrens are under the Laryns under
53:36
Speaker 1: Mount Shasta. Are those are Leiens? Is that the same.
53:44
Speaker 2: L y R A N s? Yeah, that's so yeah, uh,
53:48
Speaker 2: and it's believed, I mean, and that would make sense.
53:51
Speaker 2: I don't know about the I know that something lives
53:54
Speaker 2: under Mount Shasta, but I don't know if it's stilerence,
53:59
Speaker 2: but simply because because but it would make sense because
54:02
Speaker 2: the Lyrin.
54:05
Speaker 1: Marians. It'sans sovereigns because the Lyrins are from.
54:14
Speaker 2: The northern star in the the most northern star in
54:22
Speaker 2: the and the dogma star constellation called Regulus, so that's
54:34
Speaker 2: where they're out of. So yeah, so yeah, Lyrins are there,
54:38
Speaker 2: they're feline appearances. They Oh yeah, you're right, there is
54:45
Speaker 2: actually the ring. I'm thinking Arturian, so yes, Monta, thanks
54:49
Speaker 2: for that. Learra is actually the ring Nebula. Arturian is
54:53
Speaker 2: actually from the Regulus uh northern starting and uh and Regulus. Unfortunately,
54:59
Speaker 2: I have of nineteen different star beings that I've been
55:03
Speaker 2: attached to some way, shape or form. So I had
55:06
Speaker 2: someone one of our friends, well one of my friends
55:08
Speaker 2: is actually gonna be on my show shortly that does
55:10
Speaker 2: star seed readings, so oh very cool. Yeah. Cool.
55:15
Speaker 1: Well, the first conference that I ever spoke at it's
55:19
Speaker 1: publicly about my research was the star Seed Reunion. It
55:22
Speaker 1: was Camp Disclosure, that is what it was called. It
55:25
Speaker 1: was like a star Seed Reunion. Yeah, and I was like,
55:27
Speaker 1: I didn't even know what a star seed was at
55:29
Speaker 1: that time, and I was like, oh, I guess these
55:32
Speaker 1: are my that must be a star seed too.
55:35
Speaker 2: Well, a lot of us are. I mean, yeah, so
55:40
Speaker 2: there's not many that aren't. They just don't know.
55:44
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, I love it. I love I love
55:47
Speaker 1: how tapped in and tuned in you are. It is
55:51
Speaker 1: like I said in the beginning of the show tonight,
55:53
Speaker 1: you you you are so interesting to talk to and
55:56
Speaker 1: so fun to talk to because you know so much
55:58
Speaker 1: about everything that we talk about. And it's just I mean,
56:02
Speaker 1: we could talk forever. Yeah, a lot of these things
56:06
Speaker 1: we really could now.
56:07
Speaker 2: I know.
56:08
Speaker 1: I did want to talk tonight before we go. Of course,
56:10
Speaker 1: I wanted to talk about skin walkers. And I'm not
56:13
Speaker 1: going to say that word a whole lot more. Okay, Sure,
56:16
Speaker 1: but I okay because there could be some people were
56:18
Speaker 1: asking me, like, do you think that berserkers and like
56:21
Speaker 1: the rituals that they went through, would that be like
56:23
Speaker 1: a s walker? Right, But you've you've already you've already
56:26
Speaker 1: said that. No, they're even like dog men and s
56:29
Speaker 1: walkers are different, but there's still a ritual that goes right,
56:33
Speaker 1: they have to go through, right there.
56:36
Speaker 2: Is when you're when you're looking at skin walkers, there's
56:40
Speaker 2: a couple of different beliefs. One of them is that
56:46
Speaker 2: when they wear the pelt or the or the hide
56:49
Speaker 2: of an animal, they will turn into that animal, which
56:52
Speaker 2: is the biggest belief. The one that a lot of
56:55
Speaker 2: people don't know is that it is not just required.
56:59
Speaker 2: I mean, they don't have to have the skin pelts.
57:02
Speaker 2: They can have hair or fingernail clippings from a human
57:07
Speaker 2: and they can also shape shift into humans, which is
57:10
Speaker 2: even more disturbing for a lot of people not to know.
57:13
Speaker 1: So be careful which salon you go to, make sure
57:20
Speaker 1: you trust your stylist, or either get your hair, uh
57:25
Speaker 1: you know, sweep it up, put it in a bag
57:26
Speaker 1: and take it home with you.
57:27
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, yeah, there's a lot of people. There's a
57:31
Speaker 2: lot of people that don't know that. In fact, there's
57:35
Speaker 2: a wand too, there's a knowledge. Yeah, wash those nails,
57:39
Speaker 2: wash those flocks. But there's also like the Navajo Indians,
57:42
Speaker 2: if you ever go watch even today, if you go
57:45
Speaker 2: look at their where they're located at, on their on
57:49
Speaker 2: the reservations and stuff, you will never see a bear,
57:54
Speaker 2: a wolf, a fox, any of those hides laying out anywhere.
57:57
Speaker 2: You will not see them out in public where they
57:59
Speaker 2: can be grabbed. You will see sheep and you will
58:01
Speaker 2: see deer because they're not afraid of a skin walker
58:04
Speaker 2: grabbing a sheep or a deer hide and putting it
58:08
Speaker 2: on them. They're not afraid of them, but they are
58:09
Speaker 2: afraid of them putting on a bear, a wolf. You
58:13
Speaker 2: know something that's greater, that.
58:16
Speaker 1: Can be.
58:19
Speaker 2: That that can hurt you. So there's a lot of
58:22
Speaker 2: things that people don't know about skinwalkers, or they just
58:27
Speaker 2: don't they just haven't done the full research yet, and
58:30
Speaker 2: they haven't talked to the people who watch it or
58:33
Speaker 2: know it, who pay attention to it, who live it.
58:37
Speaker 2: So yeah, the big thing about the hair and the
58:38
Speaker 2: fingernailt clipping is a lot of people had no idea
58:40
Speaker 2: about And when I mentioned it before, a lot of
58:44
Speaker 2: people are like, whoa wait a second, what And I
58:47
Speaker 2: was like, yeah, they can actually transform into you. So
58:49
Speaker 2: you actually think that you maybe you're dealing with the
58:51
Speaker 2: mimic or maybe you're thinking with a copycat, but you
58:54
Speaker 2: may very well be dealing with the nest walker that
58:57
Speaker 2: has taken over your shape.
58:59
Speaker 1: No, yes, no, this is all new to me. I
59:03
Speaker 1: to do that.
59:04
Speaker 2: Welcome to my world.
59:06
Speaker 1: Are you serious? This is all very new to me?
59:09
Speaker 2: Okay? Ye?
59:11
Speaker 1: So do they Okay, so people who do that, who
59:14
Speaker 1: can turn into your doppel ganger, let's just call them
59:16
Speaker 1: a doppelganger.
59:17
Speaker 2: Yeah, they do.
59:19
Speaker 1: They have to go through the same like nasty kind
59:22
Speaker 1: of rituals that the regular s walkers have to go
59:25
Speaker 1: through where they have to unlive somebody they love and
59:27
Speaker 1: all that kind of stuff.
59:29
Speaker 2: The same thing, yeah, the same thing.
59:33
Speaker 1: They want to somebody's skin.
59:35
Speaker 2: That is so weird. Yeah. And if you if you
59:39
Speaker 2: ever encounter an actual feeding of an s walker, it's
59:47
Speaker 2: very interesting to watch because they practice cannibalism and if
59:52
Speaker 2: there's they they are willing to sit in groups. They
59:55
Speaker 2: you do not have to do. They are not docile
59:59
Speaker 2: on their own loaners. They will sit in groups and
1:00:01
Speaker 2: they will just eat flesh and they will they will,
1:00:06
Speaker 2: they will have then they sit in circles when they
1:00:09
Speaker 2: do it. It's almost like a community. But they're eating
1:00:11
Speaker 2: basketfuls of human flesh and that's all they're doing is
1:00:15
Speaker 2: just eating. And that's what they're doing it for, uh,
1:00:19
Speaker 2: you know, And that's and that's I mentioned you before
1:00:23
Speaker 2: that I believe I came across the nest walker when
1:00:26
Speaker 2: I was on my own when or Actually, when I
1:00:29
Speaker 2: was even part of my team, when we were in
1:00:32
Speaker 2: a couple of undisclosed locations where we heard voices off
1:00:35
Speaker 2: to the side of our path and it was it
1:00:37
Speaker 2: sounded like a child or a woman asking for help.
1:00:40
Speaker 2: And that is a big ploy of theirs to get
1:00:44
Speaker 2: you to step off your path and to come into
1:00:46
Speaker 2: their location so they can take you. So you have
1:00:50
Speaker 2: to be very aware of of where you are, what
1:00:54
Speaker 2: you're hearing, kind of what you're looking, what you're looking
1:00:57
Speaker 2: out for.
1:00:58
Speaker 1: So because they want to eat, they do to eat you.
1:01:03
Speaker 2: You are food, yes, gosh, yeah.
1:01:10
Speaker 1: How can you can you take one out? I mean,
1:01:13
Speaker 1: I know they have super natural abilities, but if you
1:01:17
Speaker 1: takes them out is all I'm asking you.
1:01:19
Speaker 2: Can you have to You have to dip a bullet
1:01:24
Speaker 2: in white ash. And that's the way to kill an
1:01:27
Speaker 2: s walker. That is the way to kill a S walkers.
1:01:31
Speaker 2: But the hardest thing for tracking, for tracking skinwalkers is
1:01:36
Speaker 2: if you're trying to track one, they don't leave footprints.
1:01:40
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, are very they are very capable that
1:01:45
Speaker 2: they do not leave Prince, they just don't. Tom.
1:01:50
Speaker 1: I yeah, I'm going to tell you something because oh god,
1:01:57
Speaker 1: this is wild that you're saying this because as I
1:02:00
Speaker 1: actually went up to a s walker cave in Tennessee
1:02:02
Speaker 1: to do an investigation because our friend Parah lived there
1:02:07
Speaker 1: on this property. I don't know if I mentioned this
1:02:09
Speaker 1: to you, I'm sure I did, but but she she
1:02:13
Speaker 1: lived on this property. And so me and the guys
1:02:15
Speaker 1: from Cryptid Warfare Operators we went up there to investigate.
1:02:19
Speaker 1: And when we got there, we're all trackers. Those guys
1:02:21
Speaker 1: are all you know, a lot of them are military
1:02:23
Speaker 1: or you know, bounty hunters, marines, all that army guys.
1:02:28
Speaker 1: We got there and you know, her chickens had been
1:02:31
Speaker 1: stolen out of her yard and the cave was right
1:02:33
Speaker 1: behind her back door, the cave entrance. But the story went,
1:02:36
Speaker 1: the legend goes, and it's people in the community said,
1:02:39
Speaker 1: it's true. It's chopped tawl in and the a shaman,
1:02:45
Speaker 1: a medicine man had banished a multitude of s walkers
1:02:49
Speaker 1: into that cave at some point they had had a
1:02:52
Speaker 1: There were a whole lot of them. This is in
1:02:53
Speaker 1: North Tennessee. There's a whole bunch of them, and they
1:02:56
Speaker 1: were they were very problematic, and so he went and
1:02:59
Speaker 1: put them all in that cave right and then sealed it,
1:03:02
Speaker 1: I guess, but not not physically sealed it, spiritually energetically
1:03:05
Speaker 1: silled it, I guess.
1:03:07
Speaker 2: Now.
1:03:08
Speaker 1: When we got there, there was a footprint by the
1:03:10
Speaker 1: chicken coop, that a big footprint, like a bigfoot Okay,
1:03:15
Speaker 1: potentially it was a human looking print. But she had
1:03:19
Speaker 1: had like dog man sightings on her property. She had
1:03:21
Speaker 1: all this on film and camera too. She had cameras
1:03:23
Speaker 1: all around her house. So like dogmen, sasquatch, black figures, orbs,
1:03:27
Speaker 1: all this stuff. When we got there, even though there
1:03:31
Speaker 1: are feathers going into the cave, there were no footprints,
1:03:34
Speaker 1: tom none, no tracks, nothing. Yeah, and we went deep
1:03:40
Speaker 1: in that cave, there was not a single footprint, not
1:03:42
Speaker 1: a single track.
1:03:44
Speaker 2: Yeah, you can't track them by their footprints. Oh my gosh.
1:03:48
Speaker 1: Nobody told me that. I didn't know that smokers didn't
1:03:51
Speaker 1: leave footprints.
1:03:52
Speaker 2: Yeah, that they just don't let me know. Now, And
1:03:56
Speaker 2: there's even a there's even thought out there. It's it's
1:04:02
Speaker 2: it's not big in the community. But if it is,
1:04:05
Speaker 2: it really it's really gonna make you worry even more
1:04:08
Speaker 2: that that s walkers have an ability to use the
1:04:13
Speaker 2: DNA from animal hides or from human hair or whatever
1:04:17
Speaker 2: else to manipulate their DNA into copying you and the
1:04:24
Speaker 2: copying who you are. So that would make them much
1:04:28
Speaker 2: more advanced than we give them credit for. You know.
1:04:31
Speaker 2: So that's something else that that's that's a that's a
1:04:35
Speaker 2: newer thought process. But they're thinking because you can't find
1:04:39
Speaker 2: the footprints, because you can't track them, because you can
1:04:42
Speaker 2: only kill them with the white ash type of thing.
1:04:44
Speaker 2: That because it's especially type thing that they they maybe
1:04:48
Speaker 2: they are more intelligent than credit is given to them,
1:04:52
Speaker 2: and maybe they fall along the lines of vampires, and
1:04:55
Speaker 2: they fall along the lines of different things that are
1:04:58
Speaker 2: more advanced, more technical, more more able than what we see.
1:05:03
Speaker 2: What we just assume is a crazed s walker that
1:05:08
Speaker 2: has taken over something. It's just trying to kill somebody.
1:05:11
Speaker 1: Okay, well, none of you biz thank you for that supersticker.
1:05:13
Speaker 1: I appreciate that so much for your support. Okay, So
1:05:17
Speaker 1: you know, I consulted with William Nighthawk before I went
1:05:19
Speaker 1: up there, and so William, I had never hunted the
1:05:22
Speaker 1: s walker's before. I knew that there was always a
1:05:24
Speaker 1: chance that I might come across one, but I had
1:05:26
Speaker 1: not one looking for them, But we were there to
1:05:29
Speaker 1: try to help our friend and her husband, and they're
1:05:32
Speaker 1: living in that cabin out there, and so I can
1:05:36
Speaker 1: consulted with him, and I can't say exactly what he
1:05:39
Speaker 1: went through, an entire list, an entire operation of things
1:05:45
Speaker 1: for us to do and to look out for, and
1:05:48
Speaker 1: how to handle things and what to do to fight
1:05:52
Speaker 1: them if we come across one, if our life's a
1:05:54
Speaker 1: major and all I can say it was the almost
1:05:58
Speaker 1: the exact same protocol of hunting vampires. And you know,
1:06:03
Speaker 1: vampires are not they don't leave a trace either, so
1:06:05
Speaker 1: that makes sense that they wouldn't have any footfall kind
1:06:08
Speaker 1: of tracks.
1:06:09
Speaker 2: Yeah, so unfortunately.
1:06:12
Speaker 1: Uh so that's like, man, I'm I'm learning a lot
1:06:18
Speaker 1: tonight too. This is great and it pertains to my
1:06:21
Speaker 1: research too, because I'm actually out there doing this stuff
1:06:24
Speaker 1: and and I know it's really really stupid idea to
1:06:27
Speaker 1: go do the things that I do. I know it,
1:06:30
Speaker 1: but nonetheless I do it occasionally, and uh and I
1:06:34
Speaker 1: do go go get in caves and I'm I'm here.
1:06:38
Speaker 1: I'm here for the I'm here for the long haul
1:06:40
Speaker 1: and for the wild and crazy ride this lifetime. So yeah, right,
1:06:45
Speaker 1: you are too, Tom, I know you are.
1:06:49
Speaker 2: So wow. So I don't know where I mean, I
1:06:53
Speaker 2: don't know what you do with time. But I did
1:06:55
Speaker 2: see that someone asked a question that someone said, good questions,
1:06:58
Speaker 2: But someone asked, how do you know if you come
1:07:02
Speaker 2: across a skinwalker? It was Richard go Forth. How do
1:07:07
Speaker 2: you know if you run into a skinwalker? Well, the
1:07:11
Speaker 2: problem is if you run into a skinwalker and you're
1:07:13
Speaker 2: not actively hunting it, you're already probably too late if
1:07:17
Speaker 2: you walk through it into it. So I just know
1:07:20
Speaker 2: that a lot of if you run into a skin
1:07:23
Speaker 2: walker like we did. And when I say we, I
1:07:26
Speaker 2: was actually part of my military group. There was thirteen
1:07:29
Speaker 2: of us, and when we came across it, it called
1:07:33
Speaker 2: to us from the offfore we were walking off the path.
1:07:38
Speaker 2: And I've always warned them, do not walk off a path,
1:07:42
Speaker 2: do not walk off a path. And for us, it's
1:07:45
Speaker 2: simply because we don't want to hit traps, we don't
1:07:47
Speaker 2: want to hit other stuff or whatever else. But if
1:07:50
Speaker 2: you're out in the middle of absolutely nowhere and you
1:07:52
Speaker 2: hear a little girl or a young woman saying help
1:07:57
Speaker 2: help me, help help me, your best bet is to
1:08:02
Speaker 2: let that be. Don't go out into that wood to
1:08:08
Speaker 2: try to help that little girl that had no business
1:08:10
Speaker 2: being there in the first place. It's not a little girl.
1:08:14
Speaker 2: Ninety nine of the time it will not be a
1:08:16
Speaker 2: little girl. You will have issues that you will not
1:08:20
Speaker 2: be able to recover from. And we're loaded to the
1:08:23
Speaker 2: I mean my team's loaded to the teeth, and everything
1:08:26
Speaker 2: we had we would not a stand We would not
1:08:28
Speaker 2: have stood a chance against it. Thirteen of us would
1:08:30
Speaker 2: not stand stood a chance against this thing.
1:08:33
Speaker 1: So what, okay, you you encountered one on a military
1:08:39
Speaker 1: mission mission, You were on a military mission and encountered
1:08:44
Speaker 1: a potential s walker. We heard you. Don't hear that
1:08:48
Speaker 1: very often with people speaking publicly about that, So thank
1:08:51
Speaker 1: you for talking about it with us tonight.
1:08:54
Speaker 2: Absolutely. Wow, Yeah, we can that military folks don't talk
1:09:01
Speaker 2: about publicly, you know, I mean, we we we've seen
1:09:05
Speaker 2: quite a few things that were like, what the hell
1:09:09
Speaker 2: was that? That was not anything that anyone else has
1:09:12
Speaker 2: ever seen before, So you know, we we've seen the
1:09:19
Speaker 2: and I called it a wendango. I called it a wendego.
1:09:22
Speaker 2: I believe I saw wendego walk down the down an
1:09:25
Speaker 2: area too, which wendego is another fancy word for uh.
1:09:30
Speaker 2: They they're basically what you would relate to a zombie.
1:09:35
Speaker 2: But we believe we saw one when we were down
1:09:38
Speaker 2: in South America.
1:09:41
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, okay, let me okay, Kathleen Michael, thank
1:09:45
Speaker 1: you for being a member for four months. It's your
1:09:46
Speaker 1: anniversary tonight. Thank you so much. And she as, so,
1:09:50
Speaker 1: how do I avoid skin walkers? Before we go to
1:09:51
Speaker 1: the Windegos?
1:09:53
Speaker 2: How do you?
1:09:53
Speaker 1: How do you avoid them?
1:09:55
Speaker 2: Tom? Don't know when you come across one. So and
1:10:01
Speaker 2: unfortunately I just gave the the the oppressive news to
1:10:05
Speaker 2: all of you that they can get hair, and they
1:10:07
Speaker 2: can get nail clippings, and they can become human. They
1:10:10
Speaker 2: could look like a human. But the the one thing
1:10:15
Speaker 2: to kind of pay attention to with skin walkers, if
1:10:20
Speaker 2: you if if they are in human form, is that
1:10:27
Speaker 2: they kind of have that weird movement there. They're not
1:10:30
Speaker 2: you perfectly. They have an odd movement. And I tell
1:10:35
Speaker 2: people it's not as if you're looking from the thing
1:10:38
Speaker 2: from from Men in Black, the bug that took over
1:10:43
Speaker 2: the human body. But it has those ticks. It has
1:10:46
Speaker 2: those offs because it's not it can't take your form one,
1:10:53
Speaker 2: so it has something that's off and but you have
1:10:57
Speaker 2: to be looking for it. But for the most part,
1:10:59
Speaker 2: you're not going to into it out in the middle
1:11:01
Speaker 2: of a neighborhood or anything else or stuff like that.
1:11:03
Speaker 2: But I will tell you that skin walkers have been
1:11:06
Speaker 2: known to to rush moving vehicles. They've been known to
1:11:10
Speaker 2: try to break into homes. And they're not just on
1:11:14
Speaker 2: the path. They will if you're in a location that's
1:11:18
Speaker 2: out there, they may try to break into your home.
1:11:22
Speaker 2: And that's stuff that you just that's just happens. I mean,
1:11:27
Speaker 2: it's nature's.
1:11:30
Speaker 1: So get that is it white ash? You said, white
1:11:33
Speaker 1: ash or black ash?
1:11:34
Speaker 2: White ash?
1:11:35
Speaker 1: White ash? Get the white ash? Okay, dip dip, dip
1:11:39
Speaker 1: your brass in it, and lock and load at night,
1:11:42
Speaker 1: and lock your windows in your doors, and pull your
1:11:43
Speaker 1: blinds down. Please, for the love of God, y'all put
1:11:47
Speaker 1: some curtains on your windows, okay, Right, So you know,
1:11:53
Speaker 1: I I grew up on a farm out in the
1:11:55
Speaker 1: country and we had we had lace curtains and at
1:12:01
Speaker 1: night you can see when the moon was out, you
1:12:02
Speaker 1: can see straight out, you can see outside. So I
1:12:05
Speaker 1: knew that people could see inside when the lights were on.
1:12:07
Speaker 1: And uh, and I always had like this weird feeling
1:12:09
Speaker 1: like I was always being watched. Okay, and yeah, I'm
1:12:14
Speaker 1: just saying just I've experienced too much weird stuff. We
1:12:19
Speaker 1: got curtains and blinds, say yeah, absolutely for s walkers. Dang,
1:12:26
Speaker 1: I mean that's that's really scary. You know, there's actually
1:12:28
Speaker 1: a video. Uh there's a family that had been posting
1:12:32
Speaker 1: videos from their home, like their reen cameras, and sounds
1:12:36
Speaker 1: like an old lady's voice. That's like scratching at the door.
1:12:39
Speaker 1: She's like, let me in, let me in, and uh
1:12:42
Speaker 1: they actually you can actually see her. Oh I got
1:12:44
Speaker 1: goosebumps just now thinking about it. She looks like a
1:12:47
Speaker 1: little old like an old hag. I guess you could say,
1:12:49
Speaker 1: I know, I know that sounds terrible. It might just
1:12:51
Speaker 1: be a feral woman. I don't know. She looks like
1:12:53
Speaker 1: an old witch hag kind of lady, and she's all
1:12:56
Speaker 1: hunched over. You can see her walking through the yard
1:12:58
Speaker 1: at some point. But at some point she tried to
1:13:01
Speaker 1: get in the child's window upstairs. They had a video
1:13:04
Speaker 1: of it, her trying to open the window of her
1:13:06
Speaker 1: child's bedroom.
1:13:08
Speaker 2: Yeah. That's crazy, yeah, super.
1:13:12
Speaker 1: Crazy, really scary. Okay, let's talk about the windegos.
1:13:18
Speaker 2: You have too. You have the Windego and we have
1:13:22
Speaker 2: gay so know that they're both of Algonquin tradition, Algonquin
1:13:31
Speaker 2: native tradition. So it's it's believed that the Windego is
1:13:40
Speaker 2: a spirit of winter, so it's ice as hard as
1:13:43
Speaker 2: actually made of ice. It can transform into a man
1:13:47
Speaker 2: or a woman or a child, and it's it's it's
1:13:54
Speaker 2: basically it's a it's an American and a Canadian myth
1:14:03
Speaker 2: or belief if you want to either way. But it's
1:14:07
Speaker 2: kind of along the same lines that they are magical
1:14:10
Speaker 2: creatures that are that are focused on human flesh. And
1:14:15
Speaker 2: that's why I said they're more like a zombie because
1:14:19
Speaker 2: that's what their focus is. These are the ones, so
1:14:22
Speaker 2: not that if you get hit by nes walker, you're
1:14:24
Speaker 2: just food. If you get hit by a Vendego or
1:14:27
Speaker 2: a wachuga, that is the ones that can turn you
1:14:31
Speaker 2: into what they are with their bite. So again more
1:14:35
Speaker 2: like a zombie, because it is identified that if a
1:14:40
Speaker 2: zombie bites you, and you know, in the natural, whatever
1:14:43
Speaker 2: we watch and whatever we hear, everything else, that's what happens.
1:14:47
Speaker 2: And when Dygo and a wachuga also have the same thing.
1:14:50
Speaker 2: If they bite you, they can turn you into it.
1:14:55
Speaker 2: I'm trying to think of more because the descriptions are
1:14:59
Speaker 2: kind of interesting. The windego is what you see is
1:15:04
Speaker 2: the is the very uh like gaunt, sunken skin, gray skin,
1:15:13
Speaker 2: big hollow eyes, and they kind of shuffle and they
1:15:18
Speaker 2: really smell like rotting corpses. That's the smell of them,
1:15:24
Speaker 2: and kind yeah, exactly. And unfortunately for me right now,
1:15:29
Speaker 2: that doesn't help me at all because I have parosmia
1:15:33
Speaker 2: from COVID and I've had it for the last four years,
1:15:35
Speaker 2: so about thirty percent of the stuff I smell still
1:15:38
Speaker 2: smells like rotting flesh. So that does me no good.
1:15:42
Speaker 2: If I ever come across one of these, I wouldn't
1:15:43
Speaker 2: know what I know. So, but but the wachuga is
1:15:48
Speaker 2: actually more of a it differs a little bit.
1:15:54
Speaker 3: Uh.
1:15:54
Speaker 2: It was formed from glacial ice and then it was
1:15:58
Speaker 2: brought to life, uh through the glacial ice. It's its
1:16:05
Speaker 2: heart is still ice as the other creature was. But
1:16:11
Speaker 2: the when Dango and and the and the Wachuga has
1:16:14
Speaker 2: no feeling, completely unfeeling at all. But they when Dango
1:16:19
Speaker 2: was actually human that turned into a creature, whereas the
1:16:24
Speaker 2: wachuga was actually born of an element, but they have
1:16:29
Speaker 2: a lot of the same similarities about what's going on,
1:16:35
Speaker 2: what's you know, what, how they how they act, how
1:16:37
Speaker 2: they interact. Okay, there's more so like that. We also
1:16:46
Speaker 2: have the watiko, which is a Northern Canadian type of creature,
1:16:52
Speaker 2: and they're also cannibalistic, but their forms can either be
1:16:58
Speaker 2: human or non human. They they're kind of almost like
1:17:01
Speaker 2: a cross between everything we're talking about tonight. So it's
1:17:06
Speaker 2: so that so there's a lot of different sures that
1:17:11
Speaker 2: fall under these same lines that were from either that
1:17:18
Speaker 2: had the backgrounds of being dead, turning dead, eating people, cannibalistic,
1:17:29
Speaker 2: but they're all come from the same types of Native
1:17:32
Speaker 2: American background or Alaskan background or whatever else. So they're
1:17:38
Speaker 2: all kind of tied into the same thing. So that's
1:17:40
Speaker 2: kind of what we're what we're what we're talking about
1:17:43
Speaker 2: here is that there's a lot of different things that
1:17:47
Speaker 2: can be mistaken for other things, because I think everyone
1:17:52
Speaker 2: would would probably call a wendego, a wachuga or o
1:17:58
Speaker 2: watiko the same thing, even though are all different and
1:18:00
Speaker 2: they all kind of function a little differently. So so
1:18:04
Speaker 2: that kind of happens so I mean, I hope that
1:18:10
Speaker 2: helps the the The problem with the Wendego and the
1:18:18
Speaker 2: Wachuka is that their desire, their need for human flesh
1:18:23
Speaker 2: is almost insatiable. So they will never stop. They will
1:18:27
Speaker 2: continue to go. They don't rest, they don't need to
1:18:32
Speaker 2: h and they just continue forward. So it's almost like
1:18:36
Speaker 2: they if they can't have it, then their death will die,
1:18:40
Speaker 2: if that makes sense. I mean they have to eat
1:18:42
Speaker 2: human flesh in order, you know, that's their search, that's
1:18:45
Speaker 2: their only purpose.
1:18:48
Speaker 1: So yeah, okay, well that's something that I definitely do
1:18:51
Speaker 1: not want to encounter. When I was field investigation. Now,
1:18:56
Speaker 1: I was actually invited to go when to go hunting
1:18:59
Speaker 1: up in Maine, oh this December. Actually, now I'm not
1:19:04
Speaker 1: sure if the troop is still on, I probably wouldn't
1:19:06
Speaker 1: go because listen, at this point, okay, I am a
1:19:09
Speaker 1: mom of a young kid, so I don't need to
1:19:11
Speaker 1: be out there putting myself in that kind of harms way.
1:19:14
Speaker 1: It really won't okay. And uh, and I and I
1:19:17
Speaker 1: know those guys, they're they're the same too, but I
1:19:20
Speaker 1: mean we're always down for a good hunt. Okay, but uh,
1:19:23
Speaker 1: but I was seeing pictures. I was trying to find
1:19:25
Speaker 1: a picture actually just then of a of one of
1:19:28
Speaker 1: the windowgoes that I showed on a show. I think
1:19:32
Speaker 1: I had Ryan Paul Trembley on the show at some
1:19:34
Speaker 1: point and we we had talked about about these, and
1:19:37
Speaker 1: it showed a picture it looked like a white Walker
1:19:39
Speaker 1: from Game of Thrones kind of. It was like a
1:19:42
Speaker 1: zombie white Walkers. What they look like not what I thought,
1:19:46
Speaker 1: because see, when I think of one of those, I
1:19:48
Speaker 1: think of something with the horns on its head. That's
1:19:51
Speaker 1: what I think of.
1:19:52
Speaker 2: But that but they're not. They're human. They when they
1:19:55
Speaker 2: goes were human. So why would they have horns that
1:19:59
Speaker 2: they don't, you know, I mean, that's what they are,
1:20:02
Speaker 2: but they but they have that very pale, pallid gaunt
1:20:07
Speaker 2: form with the sunken eyes, the ashes, skin and everything else.
1:20:10
Speaker 2: So but again one was one used to be human,
1:20:15
Speaker 2: which is now non human, and one was actually made
1:20:18
Speaker 2: from the ice. The Wachuga was made from the eyes.
1:20:22
Speaker 2: But then you also have stuff like the the Ayah,
1:20:27
Speaker 2: which is a cannibalistic demon, uh you know, And so
1:20:31
Speaker 2: that's that's a whole another one that I'm trying to remember.
1:20:38
Speaker 2: Those were actually those actually came from the Zuni people
1:20:44
Speaker 2: out of the southwest, and they're called the Atasaya. I
1:20:49
Speaker 2: don't know if I remember how to spell it, but
1:20:52
Speaker 2: I think it's a T A H S A I A.
1:20:57
Speaker 2: I think that's right, the Atasia. But they're known as
1:21:01
Speaker 2: a cannibal demon. So that's something else that is out there,
1:21:08
Speaker 2: much larger than a human, much much more larger than
1:21:13
Speaker 2: a human.
1:21:15
Speaker 1: Like seven feet eight feet, nine.
1:21:17
Speaker 2: Feet ten feet. They're huge. They're they're they're covered in
1:21:27
Speaker 2: like a thick knobby type skin, kind of like what
1:21:31
Speaker 2: you would see with treatouts and everything else, but like
1:21:33
Speaker 2: a thick knobby skin and really long gray hair, and
1:21:36
Speaker 2: they're really muscular. So that's that's something you have to
1:21:42
Speaker 2: watch and they and you'll know when you if you
1:21:44
Speaker 2: ever come across an Asiah, don't do it, but you'll
1:21:47
Speaker 2: notice them because you have the really dark, blazing red
1:21:50
Speaker 2: eyes along with their blotchy, big knobby skin and ten
1:21:55
Speaker 2: foot tall and everything else, but they have the blazing
1:21:57
Speaker 2: red eyes. So that's why they call the cannibalistic demon
1:21:59
Speaker 2: because eyes making look like a demon. And despite their size,
1:22:05
Speaker 2: do not let that fool you, because they are fast.
1:22:10
Speaker 2: It's not like you're running from an elephant. You can
1:22:11
Speaker 2: zigzag and you know you're gonna confuse it because it
1:22:13
Speaker 2: can't take sharp turns. The Aphasaiah can be fast.
1:22:18
Speaker 1: So okay, I have a question because we oc usually
1:22:24
Speaker 1: run into bigfoots, things that they're in the woods that
1:22:26
Speaker 1: have glowing red eyes, yes, and people. There's some people
1:22:32
Speaker 1: that say those gluing red eyes are all demonic. Anything
1:22:36
Speaker 1: that has glowing red eyes or demonic. Now, I don't
1:22:39
Speaker 1: know if I agree with that, because I mean, because
1:22:43
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know they could be. What
1:22:46
Speaker 1: do you think about that.
1:22:47
Speaker 2: I do not believe that there's gonna be some things
1:22:51
Speaker 2: that are red eyes that are not demonic. But that's
1:22:53
Speaker 2: simply because it's the way the eye shine is. It
1:22:58
Speaker 2: just looks red. Only truth behind that is if you
1:23:02
Speaker 2: are looking into the eyes directly and their eyes are
1:23:05
Speaker 2: absolutely red, then you're working with either a lower dimension
1:23:10
Speaker 2: demon or you're working with a demon. But if it's
1:23:15
Speaker 2: at night and you get a red eye shine or
1:23:18
Speaker 2: anything like that, that is not not You're not coming across.
1:23:24
Speaker 2: If you are in the woods with your team, I
1:23:26
Speaker 2: don't care how big your team is and you see
1:23:29
Speaker 2: something with red eyes, red glowing eyes, and it's demonic.
1:23:33
Speaker 2: Do you think it's going to fear you and just
1:23:34
Speaker 2: stand back? No, Nope, it's going to come find a victim,
1:23:40
Speaker 2: not going to say yeah. And that's something that some
1:23:43
Speaker 2: people have a hard time understanding. Is a lot of
1:23:46
Speaker 2: people think so I will tell you right now that
1:23:49
Speaker 2: the word demon is down around way too much. I
1:23:52
Speaker 2: would tell you one percent of one percent of one
1:23:55
Speaker 2: percent of what people call a demon is an actual demon.
1:24:03
Speaker 2: And you'll know because a lot of people say, well,
1:24:04
Speaker 2: I got scratched by a demon. No, you didn't. You
1:24:07
Speaker 2: got scratched by a spirit. I want to know the difference.
1:24:11
Speaker 2: Spirits can scratch you. Demons will cut you open like
1:24:14
Speaker 2: they're cutting you open the razor blades. You will bleed,
1:24:18
Speaker 2: they will rip into your flesh. They do not care.
1:24:21
Speaker 2: You are not they're not trying to intimidate you. They're
1:24:24
Speaker 2: not trying to scare you. They're trying to hurt you.
1:24:28
Speaker 2: So understand the difference for a lot of people, because
1:24:31
Speaker 2: a lot of people will associate stuff like that as well,
1:24:34
Speaker 2: Oh I got scratched, it wasn't a demon, so sorry
1:24:37
Speaker 2: I went off a tangent.
1:24:38
Speaker 1: Wow, No, I love that we need to know this
1:24:40
Speaker 1: stuff we do because the word demonic gets thrown around
1:24:44
Speaker 1: a lot a lot it does, especially when it comes
1:24:48
Speaker 1: to even with like aliens too. People are often asking me,
1:24:52
Speaker 1: do you think aliens are demons? I don't know. I
1:24:57
Speaker 1: don't know. I've never been on the side of like
1:25:00
Speaker 1: saying yes, like I think they are, but at this
1:25:03
Speaker 1: point everything is so weird.
1:25:04
Speaker 2: I don't know. I would I would, I would say no.
1:25:09
Speaker 2: I would say there are other life forms out there
1:25:16
Speaker 2: that we would consider demonic just because of how cruel
1:25:20
Speaker 2: they are. But they're not demons. So, I mean, they're
1:25:26
Speaker 2: the fierceness of them could be, but they're they're not.
1:25:31
Speaker 2: That is not what a demon is. So and I
1:25:35
Speaker 2: know that because I speak with I speak with and
1:25:38
Speaker 2: talk with and work with a couple of demonologists too,
1:25:41
Speaker 2: have to do extorcisms and stuff like this.
1:25:44
Speaker 3: Uh.
1:25:44
Speaker 2: So it's it's information I can gain from them, uh
1:25:49
Speaker 2: and absolutely trust it.
1:25:52
Speaker 1: Okay, Oh well, okay, I'm going to address this question first,
1:25:57
Speaker 1: and then I've got another one over here I want
1:25:58
Speaker 1: to pull up. It's just so, should I assume this
1:26:01
Speaker 1: is from Joshua Keith? Should I assume that s walkers
1:26:06
Speaker 1: and windogoes are utilizing lower fourth it says s Case.
1:26:10
Speaker 1: I don't know if that skinwalkers or the other thing
1:26:11
Speaker 1: you were talking about, are they utilizing lower fourth dimensional
1:26:15
Speaker 1: demonic spirits to aid them? Are they?
1:26:19
Speaker 2: I don't think so. I honestly don't. I think this
1:26:24
Speaker 2: is I mean, they had to go through the ritual
1:26:26
Speaker 2: in order to become what they became, and that is
1:26:30
Speaker 2: not done through a fourth dimensional demonic spirit. That is
1:26:34
Speaker 2: simply something they decided to do on their own. And
1:26:37
Speaker 2: they have surrendered their they surrendered their humanness to become
1:26:45
Speaker 2: what they what they're going to become. And I don't
1:26:48
Speaker 2: think they're working with a fourth dimensional demonic spirit at all,
1:26:51
Speaker 2: even if it's a lower one. I think this is
1:26:53
Speaker 2: something that I think this goes along with the same thing.
1:27:01
Speaker 2: You know, not all manifestations are good. It could be
1:27:06
Speaker 2: something that they really want to be, that they really
1:27:09
Speaker 2: wanted to be, and there is something in there that
1:27:11
Speaker 2: that helped them become that. But I do not believe
1:27:14
Speaker 2: it's a demonic spirit.
1:27:19
Speaker 1: Good answer, I agree with that. Okay, none of this
1:27:22
Speaker 1: says what about green glowing eyes and how I wanted
1:27:25
Speaker 1: to I just caught my attention, because we do have
1:27:29
Speaker 1: Old Green Eyes here in Georgia up at Chickamauga, and
1:27:34
Speaker 1: this weekend is the Old Green Eyes Festival. Oh by
1:27:37
Speaker 1: the way, yes, my friend Greg will be there with
1:27:41
Speaker 1: Backwoods Cryptids, all right, he and his lovely wife and
1:27:45
Speaker 1: some other people I met up in East Tennessee a
1:27:47
Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago at the East Tennessee squash Out. Okay,
1:27:51
Speaker 1: so they're going to be there. Old green Eyes, Tom,
1:27:55
Speaker 1: I don't know if you're familiar with Old Green Eyes.
1:27:57
Speaker 2: A little bit, a little bit.
1:27:58
Speaker 1: He was an eighth hint, I don't want to I
1:28:01
Speaker 1: don't know if I can say cryptive, but an entity
1:28:04
Speaker 1: that was actually seen out there on the battlefield eating
1:28:06
Speaker 1: the corpses of the dead soldiers and stuff. So, but
1:28:10
Speaker 1: his eyes were glowing green, so it seems it seemed
1:28:14
Speaker 1: kind of demonic a little bit. Okay, but he could
1:28:17
Speaker 1: just be a encryptid. People aren't sure what he is actually,
1:28:20
Speaker 1: but he has glowing green eyes.
1:28:23
Speaker 2: Okay, sorry, because now when I have to when I
1:28:29
Speaker 2: when I don't have a solid answer for myself, I
1:28:31
Speaker 2: have to stop and listen to my my my guides.
1:28:38
Speaker 2: So they are they are telling me about the green eyes.
1:28:45
Speaker 2: Now green eyes are are we have to we have
1:28:49
Speaker 2: to be careful with green eyes. Green eyes will be different.
1:28:52
Speaker 2: Now what I'm being told old green eyes is they
1:28:57
Speaker 2: can take this for what it is. But when I'm
1:29:00
Speaker 2: being told the association with is the body eating is
1:29:05
Speaker 2: actually it's actually someone who is just cleaning up the field.
1:29:12
Speaker 2: I mean, like that's what it does. It's it's a
1:29:14
Speaker 2: garbage disposal. But just for humans. Uh, you know, that's
1:29:19
Speaker 2: what it eats. That's what it does. It eats meat.
1:29:21
Speaker 2: That's what it does. A vulture basically. Yeah, and that's
1:29:27
Speaker 2: kind of the old green eyes is a large version
1:29:32
Speaker 2: of what that would be of a carrion, you know,
1:29:35
Speaker 2: of that type of of that type of being. So
1:29:40
Speaker 2: you also have to pay attention to green eyes too.
1:29:44
Speaker 2: Not all green eyes are dragon, sorry, but there are others.
1:29:49
Speaker 2: But you also have to pay attention to what a
1:29:55
Speaker 2: lot of feline being are green eyed. A lot of
1:30:04
Speaker 2: them are. I'm green eyed, and mind change mine go
1:30:09
Speaker 2: from green to gray to blue, so they my mood
1:30:14
Speaker 2: changes my eye color.
1:30:16
Speaker 1: You've got eyes, but I don't.
1:30:21
Speaker 2: I don't tie green eyes with what demonic. I've never
1:30:26
Speaker 2: heard it tied with demonic I've heard it with protectors.
1:30:30
Speaker 2: I have heard it with the dragons. In fact, i've
1:30:32
Speaker 2: seen it with the dragons. That's another story. But and
1:30:37
Speaker 2: I've also seen it for what you're talking about, for carrions,
1:30:40
Speaker 2: for for for cleaners, that's what I know them as.
1:30:45
Speaker 2: And I honestly think that's what your green Man is.
1:30:47
Speaker 2: I think that's what the old green Man is is.
1:30:49
Speaker 2: The is a cleaner, you know, it goes to waste
1:30:53
Speaker 2: type of thing. But I've never seen I've never seen
1:30:57
Speaker 2: nor heard anything with the green Eyes being tied to
1:31:01
Speaker 2: anything negative. So I could be, but I have never
1:31:07
Speaker 2: heard anything. And I've done a lot of different cultures
1:31:10
Speaker 2: that happened.
1:31:12
Speaker 1: So yeah, well that's that's interesting. And uh yeah, I'm glad.
1:31:19
Speaker 1: I'm glad that we addressed Old green Eyes tonight too.
1:31:21
Speaker 1: That's one of my favorites. I don't think Green green
1:31:24
Speaker 1: Eyes gets enough attention, Okay, And uh and if that's
1:31:28
Speaker 1: just his job, he's like, what is it? Wally? You
1:31:30
Speaker 1: know I talked about Wally on my last show. I
1:31:32
Speaker 1: don't know why, well that it was in my remote
1:31:34
Speaker 1: viewing data. Actually you know what, Oh, that's another thing
1:31:39
Speaker 1: I was going to ask you about you know, and
1:31:40
Speaker 1: this has nothing to do with what we're talking about tonight,
1:31:42
Speaker 1: but I had remote viewed the Ant People of hopeie legend,
1:31:46
Speaker 1: Oh I did. I did that show on Thursday with
1:31:49
Speaker 1: Barry Lyttleton and that was fantastic.
1:31:52
Speaker 2: You know.
1:31:52
Speaker 3: Uh.
1:31:53
Speaker 1: This kind of refers to miths not really being myths
1:31:57
Speaker 1: but actually being real life events. And I do believe
1:32:01
Speaker 1: the Ant people the Hope he did did live amongst
1:32:04
Speaker 1: the ant people for a while.
1:32:07
Speaker 2: Well, it's just the same thing as I as.
1:32:11
Speaker 3: You know, the.
1:32:14
Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, you're making me go into my database here,
1:32:19
Speaker 2: the Nightmogar, the Naymogar.
1:32:23
Speaker 3: Uh.
1:32:25
Speaker 2: So think of the Namergar or the the teh the
1:32:29
Speaker 2: te tei Ahan as what you would see if anyone
1:32:35
Speaker 2: watched trying to rememb which one it was, I think
1:32:38
Speaker 2: I don't remember which mummy it was, but it's the
1:32:40
Speaker 2: one where the uh where the pyramids sunk into the
1:32:43
Speaker 2: ground and or got swallowed everything up, and you had
1:32:46
Speaker 2: those little creatures that were running around trying to kill everybody.
1:32:49
Speaker 2: That's what those were. Those are those are known and
1:32:52
Speaker 2: and a lot of people think those were myth, but
1:32:54
Speaker 2: those those are legend, but a lot of Native Native
1:32:59
Speaker 2: tribes included them into their stories because they talked about
1:33:02
Speaker 2: how they were an older life form. So that's why.
1:33:06
Speaker 2: So I think you're right with the with the Hoopie
1:33:09
Speaker 2: and the man. I think it's I think it's the
1:33:10
Speaker 2: same thing. I think it's just something that was lost.
1:33:13
Speaker 1: So yeah, it's just those those myths, there's something to them.
1:33:19
Speaker 1: It's just like local legend and lore. Like that's how
1:33:22
Speaker 1: my team goes and finds places that we research is
1:33:24
Speaker 1: where the local legends and lore are ripe. Okay, Like
1:33:28
Speaker 1: there's a bunch of stuff going on like ghosts and
1:33:31
Speaker 1: wear wolves, bigfoots, whatever. When there's when there's smoke, there's fire. Yeah,
1:33:37
Speaker 1: there's been stories that have been passed down traditionally. If
1:33:40
Speaker 1: a place is called Booger Holler, it's probably sasquatch out there.
1:33:44
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, it's gotta be something that there was.
1:33:47
Speaker 1: Probably would boogers wood boogers or something. Uh, they may
1:33:51
Speaker 1: not have known what those were, but I don't know there,
1:33:53
Speaker 1: but they called them boogers. We still call them boogers.
1:33:55
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I'm seeing I'm seeing Chris's comment here, and
1:34:00
Speaker 2: you know, and it could be you know, they have
1:34:03
Speaker 2: electric green eyes. But I don't Again, I don't tie
1:34:06
Speaker 2: that anything too demonic. It's it's just one of the creatures,
1:34:10
Speaker 2: you know.
1:34:11
Speaker 1: So I know it's like the red eyes. Yeah, I've
1:34:14
Speaker 1: never I've never made that connection that they're demonic just
1:34:17
Speaker 1: because they're red, right, some people do a lot, A
1:34:20
Speaker 1: lot of people do. Actually, you'd be surprised a lot
1:34:23
Speaker 1: of people in the Bigfoot community.
1:34:24
Speaker 2: That's how they're portrayed in books and in movies and
1:34:28
Speaker 2: in TV shows and everything else. Everything with the red
1:34:30
Speaker 2: eye is a demon, but it's it's one of those.
1:34:34
Speaker 2: It's one of those not all fingers and thumbs, but
1:34:37
Speaker 2: all thumbs or fingers. So just because your red eyes
1:34:40
Speaker 2: red have red eyes, doesn't make you a demon. But
1:34:42
Speaker 2: just because you're a demon that you know, do you
1:34:44
Speaker 2: have all red eyes type of things.
1:34:46
Speaker 1: So you can't discriminate, right, can't discriminate.
1:34:53
Speaker 2: I know.
1:34:53
Speaker 1: We can't help it. We can't help what skin color
1:34:55
Speaker 1: we are. We can't help what eye color we have.
1:34:57
Speaker 1: And and so that's the way I'll look at it. Okay,
1:35:00
Speaker 1: we're just very all all the cryptos are very diverse. Okay, that.
1:35:09
Speaker 2: Comes along the same thing that you and I talked
1:35:10
Speaker 2: about about big boot Sasquatchietti and a lot of the
1:35:13
Speaker 2: other these the skunk cake Man and all these other ones.
1:35:17
Speaker 2: I honestly think they're they're cousins of each other. That
1:35:21
Speaker 2: they may not even live on the same planets, they
1:35:24
Speaker 2: may not even live in the same dimensions, but they
1:35:25
Speaker 2: all have the homogenous look about each other that they
1:35:29
Speaker 2: tie tie into the same scientific family, but they're not
1:35:33
Speaker 2: the same thing. So I think it falls along the
1:35:36
Speaker 2: same lines with a lot of things. I do too.
1:35:39
Speaker 1: I do too. You and you and I are on
1:35:41
Speaker 1: the same wavelength with a lot of this stuff, for sure,
1:35:44
Speaker 1: we are. Oh my gosh, Tom, this has been a
1:35:47
Speaker 1: fantastic show. Like I mean, I literally could we could
1:35:50
Speaker 1: talk all night about this stuff. I am running out
1:35:54
Speaker 1: of my hot tea at this point, and I don't
1:35:56
Speaker 1: want to. I don't want to keep you super late tonight.
1:35:58
Speaker 1: So this this is awesome. I mean, we've covered the
1:36:04
Speaker 1: Cheyenne dog Soldiers, the dog men, the myth behind it
1:36:07
Speaker 1: which might not be just a myth right ritualistic magical
1:36:14
Speaker 1: practices with the s Walker's windy goes. I mean, we've
1:36:18
Speaker 1: we've covered a lot tonight.
1:36:21
Speaker 2: Yeah, we covered quite a bit.
1:36:23
Speaker 1: So yeah, we have. We've covered a lot this is.
1:36:27
Speaker 1: This has been amazing by the way, and uh and
1:36:30
Speaker 1: I want everybody to please go and subscribe to Tom's
1:36:36
Speaker 1: YouTube channel and listen to your podcast. And uh, before
1:36:39
Speaker 1: before we get to that, do you have any like
1:36:41
Speaker 1: final thoughts or should we just like kind of wrap
1:36:44
Speaker 1: it up for tonight, because I mean, this is I
1:36:47
Speaker 1: really love this conversation.
1:36:49
Speaker 2: I think I think we're kind of at a good
1:36:51
Speaker 2: stopping point too. You know, the audience has been fantastic.
1:36:56
Speaker 2: They've been asking questions if it's own good comments out
1:36:58
Speaker 2: So I love your audience fantas So thank you for
1:37:02
Speaker 2: Thank you audience for helping engage and to ask questions.
1:37:07
Speaker 2: So that was good. Oh for sure.
1:37:11
Speaker 1: We do have another question here real quick. Edgar is
1:37:13
Speaker 1: wanting to note thanks to you both. Do you believe
1:37:15
Speaker 1: in magic?
1:37:16
Speaker 2: Well?
1:37:16
Speaker 1: I do, of course, what about you, Tom?
1:37:19
Speaker 2: So? I believe in magic, but I think we use
1:37:24
Speaker 2: it in different words. I think a lot of it
1:37:28
Speaker 2: ties into magic, but we call it so many different things.
1:37:35
Speaker 2: Is paranormal magic possibly, you know, is a lot of
1:37:40
Speaker 2: different things that we talk about magic, but we just
1:37:43
Speaker 2: use the words differently, or we use that word in
1:37:46
Speaker 2: different tone when we're talking about something else. Very well, possibly,
1:37:49
Speaker 2: but in a nutshell, yes, I do believe in magic.
1:37:51
Speaker 2: I just think you need to believe in the magic
1:37:54
Speaker 2: that you that you're looking for.
1:37:57
Speaker 1: Yes, and magic is all absolutely and yeah, for sure.
1:38:05
Speaker 1: We have such great comments in here tonight, Tom, will
1:38:08
Speaker 1: you tell the audience about your your YouTube channel, your
1:38:12
Speaker 1: your groups that you're a part of, your pure normal
1:38:14
Speaker 1: investigation teams and all that kind of stuff. Let's let's
1:38:17
Speaker 1: go over all of it before we go tonight.
1:38:19
Speaker 2: Uh So, the biggest one, and that's the one that
1:38:21
Speaker 2: you've been on, is my show. That is stuff I
1:38:28
Speaker 2: never learned from a school book. I know it's kind
1:38:30
Speaker 2: of long, but that's it was designed because I didn't
1:38:34
Speaker 2: have anywhere to turn. I learned about my abilities, so
1:38:36
Speaker 2: I kind of created the site for everyone to come
1:38:38
Speaker 2: talk to. Uh there's my YouTube site, she's posting right there.
1:38:41
Speaker 2: You dot com slash at stuff I never learned. My
1:38:45
Speaker 2: Facebook is just as simple, Facebook dot com slash stuff
1:38:48
Speaker 2: I never learned. My Twitch channel is twitch dot tv
1:38:54
Speaker 2: stuff I never learned. And then you also have my Gmail,
1:38:58
Speaker 2: which is, uh, stuff I never learned at gmail dot com.
1:39:02
Speaker 2: So I had to keep it simple for myself. So
1:39:05
Speaker 2: everything I have is stuff I never learned. That won't
1:39:09
Speaker 2: make it also easier for you all remember too, because
1:39:11
Speaker 2: if I have like nine different things I have to remember,
1:39:13
Speaker 2: I'm going to forget. I am the I don't belong
1:39:18
Speaker 2: to any network or anything else. So it is my
1:39:20
Speaker 2: own show that I run, I produce, I host, I
1:39:23
Speaker 2: basically do everything for it. But I also work for
1:39:26
Speaker 2: the Paranormal Assistance Research Society or the PERS. We're actually worldwide,
1:39:31
Speaker 2: but I am the Midwest director for the five surrounding states.
1:39:35
Speaker 2: I'm in Nebraska, so the five surrounding states. I'm our
1:39:37
Speaker 2: Midwest director, and we are a free service for anyone
1:39:41
Speaker 2: who feels that they may be in danger of something
1:39:43
Speaker 2: in their home or their business. I actually have. I'm
1:39:47
Speaker 2: actually part of a team of like eighteen to twenty
1:39:49
Speaker 2: different people, and we have people that are behavioral analysts,
1:39:54
Speaker 2: which is I'm an intuitive, but I can do psychic
1:39:59
Speaker 2: and psychic and mediumship. I can also talk to elementals,
1:40:04
Speaker 2: which is very unique, uh. And I can remote view
1:40:07
Speaker 2: into your home if I need you to look around
1:40:09
Speaker 2: as well. But we are free service. We help people
1:40:13
Speaker 2: even if they don't have something in their home and
1:40:16
Speaker 2: it may just be something that they're having an issue with.
1:40:19
Speaker 1: Uh.
1:40:19
Speaker 2: And then lastly, I, my wife and I are the
1:40:23
Speaker 2: team of sixth Sense Investigations and again we're based out
1:40:27
Speaker 2: of here in Nebraska, and we go look for the
1:40:29
Speaker 2: stuff that is really unknown or untouched yet in our
1:40:33
Speaker 2: surrounding community that a lot of people don't know about.
1:40:36
Speaker 2: And then we'll be find the evidence, will bring it back.
1:40:39
Speaker 2: So we'll go ahead and and and chalk it up
1:40:41
Speaker 2: to that. That's that's really what I'm in charge of
1:40:43
Speaker 2: and what I take care of.
1:40:46
Speaker 1: Wow, that's fantastic. And the fact that you guys will
1:40:49
Speaker 1: go out and do things you don't You don't ask
1:40:51
Speaker 1: for people to pay you to come out and do
1:40:53
Speaker 1: it or whatever. You just you do it out of
1:40:54
Speaker 1: the goodness of your heart to help people. And I
1:40:57
Speaker 1: love that. That is that is really cool. Yeah, that's
1:41:01
Speaker 1: that's kind of like what our teams are doing too. Listen,
1:41:03
Speaker 1: we wouldn't mind in the future maybe getting a little
1:41:05
Speaker 1: gas money and stuff, okay, but but for now we
1:41:09
Speaker 1: just truly have you know, we want to go help
1:41:13
Speaker 1: people who feel like their lives are in danger. When
1:41:15
Speaker 1: it comes to cryptids and things like that. It's it's
1:41:18
Speaker 1: important that people have an outlet to reach out to
1:41:21
Speaker 1: somebody for help because people, you don't understand how how
1:41:26
Speaker 1: traumatic it is, uh until something happens to you and
1:41:31
Speaker 1: you need some help. Yeah, man, well Tom, please come back,
1:41:38
Speaker 1: please come back and come hang out with us.
1:41:40
Speaker 2: All kinds of stuff we can talk about. Still we
1:41:42
Speaker 2: haven't even scratched the surface yet.
1:41:44
Speaker 1: We haven't. We haven't. I'm gonna make you a regular
1:41:47
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1:41:54
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1:41:58
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1:42:00
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1:42:05
Speaker 1: and all over the internet everywhere it's stuff I never
1:42:09
Speaker 1: learned from a school book. Okay. So, and you have
1:42:11
Speaker 1: a podcast too, right, so you can.
1:42:14
Speaker 2: I have a podcast. I am very behind on it,
1:42:17
Speaker 2: but in the podcast, that's fine. There's a few of
1:42:21
Speaker 2: them out there. But there's a couple of them that
1:42:23
Speaker 2: I talk about elementals because I can actually see here
1:42:26
Speaker 2: and talk to elementals like I am you. So that's
1:42:28
Speaker 2: the firewater, wind, earth elementals. So there's a podcast about that,
1:42:33
Speaker 2: and there's also a podcast about angels and dragons how
1:42:40
Speaker 2: their similarities. They're not just they're not separate, they're very
1:42:43
Speaker 2: similar and I and there's a couple of ones out
1:42:45
Speaker 2: there as well, so feel free to go out there
1:42:47
Speaker 2: only for those as well. They're under the same name.
1:42:50
Speaker 1: Okay, Well, Tom, you are literally one of the most
1:42:55
Speaker 1: interesting men in the world. Okay, you really are. And
1:42:58
Speaker 1: I know a lot of really interesting people, trust me,
1:43:01
Speaker 1: I know a lot of interesting dudes, okay, but you're
1:43:03
Speaker 1: right there on the top of my list, really and uh,
1:43:07
Speaker 1: and I appreciate you. I'm glad that we're friends, and
1:43:10
Speaker 1: I want to thank you so much for being here
1:43:11
Speaker 1: with me today. It really means a lot. And uh.
1:43:14
Speaker 1: And there were actually people commenting in the chat that
1:43:16
Speaker 1: they are smarter from watching this tonight.
1:43:18
Speaker 2: Okay, thank you.
1:43:24
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, we've all learned a lot and uh. And
1:43:28
Speaker 1: so thank you so much for being here. Okay, and
1:43:31
Speaker 1: all right, so you're going to come back. I'm going
1:43:33
Speaker 1: to be back here on Monday, y'all. I do to everybody.
1:43:37
Speaker 1: I want to thank the audience tonight for being here.
1:43:38
Speaker 1: We had a fantastic chat tonight. So all my moderators.
1:43:42
Speaker 1: Y'all kept it, y'all kept everybody in line. We didn't
1:43:44
Speaker 1: need it tonight. We had a wonderful, wonderful chat. And
1:43:47
Speaker 1: thank you for all the comments. Thank you to all
1:43:48
Speaker 1: my moderators for putting up all the links. Everybody, look
1:43:53
Speaker 1: at look at Cryptoville with all these links in here.
1:43:55
Speaker 1: My goodness, all my moderators have been putting all your
1:43:58
Speaker 1: links up all throughout the show tonight. So I want
1:44:01
Speaker 1: to thank all for that. Yeah, and thank you guys
1:44:05
Speaker 1: for the superstickers and uh and just for all of
1:44:08
Speaker 1: your all the energy tonight that has been put in
1:44:10
Speaker 1: and it's been a wonderful exchange tonight. So y'all please
1:44:14
Speaker 1: come back and see me on Monday. I have John Vindaventer,
1:44:17
Speaker 1: the Relics author, is coming on and we're gonna be
1:44:20
Speaker 1: talking about the Ishka Tiny and the owl Witch. Okay,
1:44:25
Speaker 1: so that's it's another s walker. But also out which
1:44:29
Speaker 1: I actually have a really interesting picture some pictures that
1:44:32
Speaker 1: have gone around the internet that I posted. Uh, I'm
1:44:35
Speaker 1: not gonna say that picture went viral, but it's it
1:44:37
Speaker 1: got a lot of attention and it looks it's either
1:44:41
Speaker 1: an owl witch or it's a naked man in a tree.
1:44:44
Speaker 1: I don't know. We're gonna look at it on Monday.
1:44:46
Speaker 2: Uh, so.
1:44:49
Speaker 1: You know it sounds crazy, right Uh. Could have just
1:44:52
Speaker 1: been some drunk guy that got stuck in a tree
1:44:54
Speaker 1: a night and a camera. We don't know. But anyways,
1:44:58
Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about it on Monday. It's gonna be
1:45:00
Speaker 1: a really fun show. So please come back and see
1:45:02
Speaker 1: me then, and y'all go over to stuff I never
1:45:04
Speaker 1: learned from a school book and go subscribe. All right, Well, Tom,
1:45:08
Speaker 1: have a wonderful night, Thank you so much again, and
1:45:11
Speaker 1: I'll see y'all on Monday.
1:45:13
Speaker 2: All right, Bye.
1:45:13
Speaker 1: Everybody, Bye.
1:45:30
Speaker 3: Bye, nste many
1:46:14
Speaker 2: Seas,