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George Civeris Disobeys Bridger · I Said No Gifts! A comedy interview podcast with Bridger Winegar

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  Speaker 1: And I invited you here. I thought I made myself
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  Speaker 1: perfectly clear. But you're a guest to my home. You
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  Speaker 1: gotta come to me empty And I said, no guests,
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  Speaker 1: you're our presences presents enough. I already had too much stuff,
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  Speaker 1: So how did you dare to surbey me?
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  Speaker 2: Welcome to I said, no gifts. I'm Brigard wineger Ah.
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  Speaker 2: We're in the studio. We were supposed to be in
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  Speaker 2: the backyard, but Annalist got in touch and mentioned something
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  Speaker 2: about flash flooding and the rain, and it is raining.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know about the flash flooding. I don't know
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  Speaker 2: if this is something on at least cooked up just
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  Speaker 2: to spend more time in burbank, as they love to do.
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  Speaker 2: But we're here in the studio. I drove over using
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  Speaker 2: surface streets. I took off highways on Google Maps, and
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  Speaker 2: it took twice as long. It simply took thirty five
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  Speaker 2: minutes compared to seventeen. I drove through ten miles of
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  Speaker 2: Los Angeles neighborhoods and it felt incredible. I'm here safe,
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  Speaker 2: our guest is safe, We're all safe. For now. It's
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  Speaker 2: an absolute. I mean, it's just a The storm outside
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  Speaker 2: is historic I think we should get into the podcast
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  Speaker 2: because I love today's guest. It's George Severis. George, welcome
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  Speaker 2: to I said.
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  Speaker 3: No guests. Hello, it is an honor to be here.
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  Speaker 3: You're the first person I'm speaking to today.
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  Speaker 2: What time did you wake up?
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  Speaker 3: I woke up like at a normal time, Like maybe,
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  Speaker 3: but I'm in an airbnb by myself. Actually I did
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  Speaker 3: speak to the person that I ordered coffee from, Okay,
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  Speaker 3: and I went up to him. Right after a woman
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  Speaker 3: that went up to this is just a normal coffee shop.
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  Speaker 3: And she went up and she goes, do you guys
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  Speaker 3: have just like water? And I just thought it was
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  Speaker 3: like such a beautiful Los Angeles statement, like do.
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  Speaker 2: We know if she was thinking of like she wanted
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  Speaker 2: a cup of water, she wanted a bottle of water.
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  Speaker 3: I think she ended up getting a cup, but it
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  Speaker 3: just was really such a like there's we've become so
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  Speaker 3: complex in our specialty drink orders that it's now gotten.
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  Speaker 3: It's like horseshoe theory, where it's now actually the most
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  Speaker 3: insane thing you can order is just a glass of water.
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  Speaker 2: Is the base of everything.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like how I you know, I get dairy
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  Speaker 3: milk with my coffee.
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  Speaker 2: Sorry, oh boy, we can get it to that too.
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  Speaker 3: And so, but there was a time. You know, now
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  Speaker 3: that Trump is back in office, dairy milk is legal again.
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  Speaker 3: But there was a time when you actually had to
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  Speaker 3: like ask if they that was even off or places right.
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  Speaker 3: So I had to become the girl that's like, do
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  Speaker 3: you guys have just like cow Milton, what is your order?
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  Speaker 2: My order?
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  Speaker 3: Actually, I'm now just drip coffee hole, which is the
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  Speaker 3: most basic. It's like borderline Republican. It's like diner. I'm
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  Speaker 3: like just an all American cup of coffee.
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  Speaker 2: I don't feel like that is borderline republic And I
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  Speaker 2: feel like, you know, going super extreme if you have
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  Speaker 2: like more than four words in your order, I think
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  Speaker 2: you're starting to you're closing in on conservative territory.
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  Speaker 3: Sure, I mean I think it's tough because basically what
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  Speaker 3: I have slowly realized in the same way that like
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  Speaker 3: skinny jeans went from being gay to being straight or
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  Speaker 3: whatever like to being oliver truly like Republicans. Yes, everything
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  Speaker 3: that used to be a sign of like hippie dep by,
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  Speaker 3: you know, like New Mexico liberal or whatever is now
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  Speaker 3: is now like rfk coded it's the weird.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, like spirituality, Chiro, pract everything has just become a
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  Speaker 2: complete muddy mess exactly. It's impossible to tell what anyone
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  Speaker 2: is at this point, and so it's strange.
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  Speaker 3: I was thinking about that. Sorry, I promise I'm not
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  Speaker 3: someone to talk about politics as much. I keep politics.
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  Speaker 3: I'm actually gonna stop.
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  Speaker 2: This to pod save America.
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  Speaker 3: This is the last thing I would say. But when
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  Speaker 3: Tim Walls, remember him, when Tim Walls this thing was like,
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  Speaker 3: they're weird, We're normal. I was like, this feels like
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  Speaker 3: a real shift, like sour thing. Our thing as the
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  Speaker 3: Left is that we're normal. That's like that is our
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  Speaker 3: official talking point. That cannot end. Well, and honey, you
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  Speaker 3: did it.
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  Speaker 2: It s imp they didn't, but it's kind of true
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  Speaker 2: at this point. Yeah, at least, or maybe we're just boring. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: maybe that's the word.
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  Speaker 3: We should be doing, which again can't be the messaging.
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  Speaker 2: As boring. I think that the what should have the
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  Speaker 2: word he should have been using is pervert. Yeah, we
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  Speaker 2: should have been labeling them pervert. That's kind of what
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  Speaker 2: weird was code for.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and then you're sort of claim I mean, it's
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  Speaker 3: tough because obviously the stereotype is like gay people are
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  Speaker 3: perverts and now and now we're like no longer perverse,
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  Speaker 3: no longer perverts.
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  Speaker 2: I'm a pervert.
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  Speaker 3: Well, same, And that's the thing. It's like, how much
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  Speaker 3: ground are you willing to seed right to like prove
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  Speaker 3: that we're normal?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, And I what, I don't know that there's even
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  Speaker 2: a model of normal at this time. I think it's
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  Speaker 2: just literally it comes down to minding your own business,
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  Speaker 2: which I've always been very good at. Yeah, except for
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  Speaker 2: I'm also extremely nosy and a giant gossip I know.
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  Speaker 3: How do you feel about the like reclamation of gossip
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  Speaker 3: as like no longer bad? Like, don't you think there's
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  Speaker 3: like this thing It started with people being like gossip
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  Speaker 3: is feminist because it's like whisper networks, the truth be
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  Speaker 3: told and the truth is being.
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  Speaker 2: Just getting out somehow.
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  Speaker 3: And I feel like then that became almost like cliche
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  Speaker 3: And now I don't know where we stand with gossip.
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  Speaker 2: Well, it's weird with gossip because I think there was
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  Speaker 2: this giant drought of it during COVID when we were
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  Speaker 2: so separate from each other totally. We were whenever I
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  Speaker 2: would have a friend come over to the house, it
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  Speaker 2: was like news of the world. You were just desperate
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  Speaker 2: to hear anything about any other person, and it felt
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  Speaker 2: it was so electrifying. Yeah, and now it does it
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  Speaker 2: just feels like it's almost entirely conversation. It's like there's
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  Speaker 2: nothing else to talk about. I think it's also because
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  Speaker 2: still nobody's ever working. We're never in an office with
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  Speaker 2: each other. Yes, so like what used to be like
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  Speaker 2: this spicy thing during the day is now you're still
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  Speaker 2: kind of desperate to hear it, and it's almost always
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it doesn't make you a better person than.
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  Speaker 3: You, No, no, it does it.
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  Speaker 2: I loved I still love to hear it.
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  Speaker 3: It's better than small.
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  Speaker 2: Talk, yes, but it almost is just essentially Yeah, but
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  Speaker 2: that's kind of all anyone wants to hear anymore. Have
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  Speaker 2: you heard any gossip?
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  Speaker 3: I know, you know, for a while before where it
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  Speaker 3: became public, I had heard about the Barack Obama Jennifer
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  Speaker 3: Andison rumor, and I really was like every time people
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  Speaker 3: will be like, do you have GUSSA, I'd be like,
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  Speaker 3: boy do I like for months and now I can
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  Speaker 3: no longer have that as And then people were like
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  Speaker 3: do you believe it? And I'm like, it's not about
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  Speaker 3: that for me, Like.
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  Speaker 2: Well that that and that rumor has also taken on
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  Speaker 2: new life in other categories which I feel like we
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  Speaker 2: can't even talk about the cat and they're not again.
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  Speaker 2: This is also goes back to minding your own business
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  Speaker 2: sort of thing where it's like if I had heard,
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  Speaker 2: if I just knew Barack and knew Jennifer Andison as
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  Speaker 2: people who were not public figures.
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  Speaker 3: You would love them. You would love Barrock.
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  Speaker 2: They dropped you off at the suiting, Yeah, yeah, No.
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  Speaker 3: Jen always is driving me around.
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  Speaker 2: She was the person asking about water this morning.
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  Speaker 3: She's it's her guest room. I'm staying at my Airbnb
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  Speaker 3: that I was talking about. She actually needs some extra
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  Speaker 3: income and she's been renting out her guest room. She's
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  Speaker 3: in this two bedroom. She has a housemate and it's
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  Speaker 3: just them and the dogs, and it's always nice to
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  Speaker 3: be there, you know, she and she always has whole
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  Speaker 3: milk for me.
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  Speaker 2: It's tough times in home. Yeah, yeah, But it is
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  Speaker 2: one of those things where I like, if they weren't
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  Speaker 2: public figures, I'd be like, yeah, they're in an opener,
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  Speaker 2: somebody's in an open relationship. I don't care it sounds
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  Speaker 2: like they're having a wonderful time. They're both great looking people.
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  Speaker 2: But it what I think, celebrity gossip is also also
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  Speaker 2: kind of boring to me. I agree, because it's I
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  Speaker 2: don't care, it has no effect on me whatsoever. I
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  Speaker 2: might as well be talking about fictional characters.
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  Speaker 3: Here's a question for you. Do you care more about
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  Speaker 3: gossip that's like cheating, interpersonal marriages, or gossip that's more
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  Speaker 3: like professional This person, like you know, got a book
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  Speaker 3: deal but didn't submit a draft like that kind of thing.
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  Speaker 2: That's I'm more interested in professional and they're just generally
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  Speaker 2: a bad person behavior.
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  Speaker 3: I agree, And I actually think that is the more
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  Speaker 3: moral type of gossip.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely because I do it.
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  Speaker 3: Yes and well of course. But then also the other
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  Speaker 3: type of GUYSIP took care to think cheating and open
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  Speaker 3: and like non monogamy as scandals, you actually have to
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  Speaker 3: have conservative family value.
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  Speaker 2: You have to essentially have the brain of a child exactly.
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  Speaker 2: It's like you just don't understand that relationships are complicated.
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  Speaker 2: Everything is complicated in that way, yes, whereas the other
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  Speaker 2: sort of gossip, it's like if you're a if you're
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  Speaker 2: acting like a shithead it's pretty cut and dry. You're
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  Speaker 2: just being a bad person and I love to talk
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  Speaker 2: about it. Or if you're like, see now there is
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  Speaker 2: so much gossip. I would love to talk to you
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  Speaker 2: right now. There are like certain specific things I've heard
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  Speaker 2: about recently.
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  Speaker 3: We just excuse. I recently heard someone who wrote a
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  Speaker 3: terrible book got six hundred thousand dollars advance on it.
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  Speaker 3: And I've been telling you everyone I know.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, can you say there any when we could beep it?
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  Speaker 2: Or is this just something we can talk about after
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  Speaker 2: the podcast?
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  Speaker 3: You know? I wonder if it's someone you would know.
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  Speaker 3: It is actually a fellow podcaster, but not a fellow comedian,
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  Speaker 3: so it's not someone in our immediate community. But I
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  Speaker 3: am sure, Okay, can I say that we'll beep it?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, on Sam, your co host, it's some tag famously,
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  Speaker 2: his is the only episode of the show we've beeped
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  Speaker 2: another name. Really, we might as well have it be match.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, Yes, let's keep it.
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  Speaker 2: It's interesting. Oh what a shame.
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  Speaker 3: It would be iconic if then you just didn't beep it.
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  Speaker 3: And then and then I this random person that I
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  Speaker 3: literally never met my life, was like furious at me.
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  Speaker 3: Because I A said their book was terrible. That wasn't
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  Speaker 3: some sort of pronoun joke. By the way, I'm just
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  Speaker 3: like wanting to uh.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, yes, of course, and will analyse will tastefully this
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  Speaker 2: make it exactly what it is.
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  Speaker 3: You know, it's funny. Okay, Actually, now I'm gonna stop
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  Speaker 3: talking about it because if I keep talking about it,
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  Speaker 3: then we have to keep beeping it. The point is
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  Speaker 3: one of my favorite types of gossip, which is also
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  Speaker 3: I feel like a very New York kind of gossip
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  Speaker 3: is gossiping about specific number like what people got paid
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  Speaker 3: for their book deals of course, for books that like
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  Speaker 3: ultimately no one will read, like no one reads.
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  Speaker 2: Books unless it is that the thing that became the
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  Speaker 2: Blake Lively movie.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, well, of course yes. And fiction is different because
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  Speaker 3: it can be optioned.
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  Speaker 2: Right, I mean, it's almost built to be optioned. Fiction
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  Speaker 2: is sort of basically like a pitch document. Truly.
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  Speaker 3: It's crazy sometimes because I will, even though I know
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  Speaker 3: new novels are mostly bad, I do fall for the
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  Speaker 3: marketing campaigns and I'll read them and I'm like, this
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  Speaker 3: is at a second grade reading level, and it's like, right,
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  Speaker 3: it's made for Ryan Murphy.
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  Speaker 2: But it's made to be easy, so people will read.
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  Speaker 3: It, yes, and so specifically Hollywood people will read it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. I fall for it for that reason, and because
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, well, everyone else is reading it, so I
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  Speaker 2: need to know what's going on. I know, And then
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  Speaker 2: it's just this massive waste of time and I'm mad.
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  Speaker 2: The biggest example of this and I can't. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: I only read probably ten pages before being like, wait, oh,
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  Speaker 2: I know what's going on. Was there was like a
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  Speaker 2: big New York Times thing about the fireflies or what
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  Speaker 2: was that thing that was that horrible? I mean, it's
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  Speaker 2: truly a bad piece of literature that became.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, I know what you're talking about. Is it the wait?
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  Speaker 3: Is it the one that.
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  Speaker 2: What's it called set in a swamp or something?
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  Speaker 3: Hmmm, the Fireflies of Swamp.
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  Speaker 2: I remember. It was just like huge thing about it
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  Speaker 2: becoming like a runaway bestseller, and I was so curious
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  Speaker 2: and I started reading. I was like, oh, yeah, it's
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  Speaker 2: because most people stopped literally stopped reading books in eighth grade. Yes,
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  Speaker 2: and God bless, but that like that's all they're capable of,
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  Speaker 2: and so the big books become these things that are
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  Speaker 2: written for young adults.
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  Speaker 3: I actually feel so alienated from it because I was
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  Speaker 3: about to say the sentence I think of myself as
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  Speaker 3: a reader, Please bleep that.
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  Speaker 2: But like whatever Brook the book where the Crawdads, that's
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  Speaker 2: the one I was, okay, where the close fireflies in
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  Speaker 2: the swamp, where the thank you?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah? What is it?
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  Speaker 2: Where the crowd dancing? Right?
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  Speaker 3: And they made a movie out of that with It's
• 13:02
  Speaker 3: like not Blake Live, but it might as well have been.
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  Speaker 2: The person from Big Little Lies?
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  Speaker 3: Was that?
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  Speaker 2: What's her name, Shyleen shale Lean.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, by the way, Shalleen very good on stage? I
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  Speaker 3: saw her on stage and she was very good.
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  Speaker 2: What was she doing on stage?
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  Speaker 3: She's in the She was on Broadway right now on
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  Speaker 3: a show called Cult of Love, a written by Leslie
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  Speaker 3: Headlind And it actually I just read is being made
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  Speaker 3: into a film.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, And again another thing that's kind of a it's
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  Speaker 2: like here's a proof of concept and we make it
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  Speaker 2: on TV or film.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah okay, so wait, you were talking about something before
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  Speaker 3: as whatever we.
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  Speaker 2: Were talking about gossip?
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  Speaker 3: Oh, no, books I feel alienated by Like when I
• 13:37
  Speaker 3: look at what is selling well, like it's romanticy is
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  Speaker 3: the big oh?
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  Speaker 2: Yes?
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  Speaker 3: So Romanticy is huge. I don't even know a single title,
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  Speaker 3: but that's like what everyone's reading.
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  Speaker 2: But you can almost like the second you see a
• 13:51
  Speaker 2: title of a book, you're like, oh, that's that must
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  Speaker 2: be romanticy.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, And of course the woman who wrote Blake Lively movie.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, Colleen Hoover, Colleen Hoover, Colleen, Colleen.
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  Speaker 3: Colleen, Colleen. I would actually love to be named Colleen
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  Speaker 3: and be like it's actually pronounced.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. I think there's like there will rare just very
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  Speaker 2: occasionally be a book that breaks through. That's like Sylie
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  Speaker 2: Rooney's Yeah, like Sally Rooney. But other than that, And again,
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  Speaker 2: Sally Rudey is an interesting one because her I think
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  Speaker 2: her writing is I really love her writing her novels,
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  Speaker 2: but it's also very clean, pros and easy, not in
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  Speaker 2: a bad way, but like it's not well. Her latest
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  Speaker 2: is probably difficult for people to read. There's a little bit.
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  Speaker 3: Really, it's the only one I haven't.
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  Speaker 2: Read almost stream of consciousness or like you're in different
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  Speaker 2: people's heads at different times. So it's probably her most
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  Speaker 2: challenging for the general reader. Yeah, but she's one of
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  Speaker 2: the few that can actually break through.
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  Speaker 3: I know it's like, and it's sort of the best
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  Speaker 3: we can hope for. I actually really don't like it
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  Speaker 3: when people will shit on Sally Rooney because I'm like,
• 15:02
  Speaker 3: do you understand how she's the only one we have?
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  Speaker 2: I know, true, we have got to support this.
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  Speaker 3: There is one smart woman writing books that are being read.
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  Speaker 3: There are many smart women writing books, but only one
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  Speaker 3: is being read. And like, at the end of the day,
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  Speaker 3: like they are good.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, and she's writing to her own intelligence level in
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  Speaker 2: saying the things that she wants to say.
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  Speaker 3: Same thing she wants to say, not like appealing to
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  Speaker 3: some like Yes, her books have become series in films
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  Speaker 3: and whatever, right, but I think she's challenging herself with
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  Speaker 3: each one.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, And I mean I think it also helps that
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  Speaker 2: they're sexy.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, they are.
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  Speaker 2: Almost everyone has something that's relatively sexy that you get
• 15:41
  Speaker 2: to picture, like an Irish hunk, totally, and I think
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  Speaker 2: that helps in some way. I agree this latest one
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  Speaker 2: has two irishmen, so hopefully that will help.
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  Speaker 3: I have to say Chess is challenging for me, Oh sure, sure,
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  Speaker 3: because it makes me feel dumb, Yeah, of course, which
• 15:59
  Speaker 3: is also how about cross for puzzles?
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  Speaker 2: Oh? Interesting? Many crossword, but I refuse to do a
• 16:04
  Speaker 2: big crossword.
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  Speaker 3: So my husband is one of those people that like
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  Speaker 3: has been doing it for decades and like prides himself
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  Speaker 3: in his on his time right record or whatever, and
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  Speaker 3: like every morning, like in bed, he does it in
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  Speaker 3: six minutes.
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  Speaker 2: Wow, that's amazing.
• 16:18
  Speaker 3: And when we were first dating, I was like, I'm
• 16:20
  Speaker 3: going to try to impress him by starting to do
• 16:21
  Speaker 3: it myself.
• 16:22
  Speaker 2: And I was so bad at it it actually.
• 16:23
  Speaker 3: Made me resent him. I was like, I don't why
• 16:26
  Speaker 3: this first makes me feel bad.
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: But the thing about crosswords, the big secret, is that
• 16:31
  Speaker 2: it is a puzzle that you learn how to do,
• 16:34
  Speaker 2: which uh and no, nothing about your husband totally, but
• 16:41
  Speaker 2: it's not entirely about intentionally.
• 16:42
  Speaker 3: He's a complete idiot. He's just literally like pressing buttons
• 16:47
  Speaker 3: like a monk.
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: Barely function. He just figured out how to do this
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: one thing.
• 16:52
  Speaker 3: No, I mean, that's also what he says. But then
• 16:53
  Speaker 3: I'm like, okay, but then even that shows the level
• 16:57
  Speaker 3: of commitment.
• 16:58
  Speaker 2: My problem same. I refuse to commit to anything that's difficult,
• 17:03
  Speaker 2: take any level of time.
• 17:05
  Speaker 3: No, I feel the same way, and I actually don't
• 17:07
  Speaker 3: know how to fix that. And that's why I'm here.
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: Do you play connections I have.
• 17:15
  Speaker 3: I definitely am more into something like that than the
• 17:20
  Speaker 3: crossroad I do, like I went through a world affairs
• 17:23
  Speaker 3: like everyone else. I do spelling the occasionally, and I
• 17:28
  Speaker 3: can get into that kind of thing, but I've never been. Okay,
• 17:34
  Speaker 3: let me know if you if this like resonates, there's
• 17:36
  Speaker 3: a type of gay guy that's like it's like word games, trivia.
• 17:40
  Speaker 3: Like I used to be part of this thing called
• 17:43
  Speaker 3: Learned League, which is like a trivia league. Do you
• 17:44
  Speaker 3: know anyone who doesn't know it's It's one of these
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: like kind of nerdy trivia things. And then you find
• 17:50
  Speaker 3: out this person you thought was normal is randomly amazing
• 17:53
  Speaker 3: at trivia. And I tried doing I would always be
• 17:55
  Speaker 3: like in the bottom like fifth of all rankings, And
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: I was like, this is just making me feel bad
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: about myself. Of course, But then I've been reading have
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: you ever read Amusing Ourselves to Death?
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: Yes? Of course.
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: Okay, So I've been reading it for the first time
• 18:12
  Speaker 3: because I thought maybe it would make me feel sane
• 18:13
  Speaker 3: or about like social media and stuff. It's not.
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: I mean, it was written in the.
• 18:18
  Speaker 3: Eighties, in the eighties, but it is still very lot
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: of it's extremely rong. But one thing that he says,
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: which I think is interesting, is that like television and
• 18:28
  Speaker 3: you know, by extension, new media has made information into
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: entertainment and that gave rise to like trivia culture and
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: like trivial pursuit and things like that, because it's like
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: you learn all these things, but you don't learn them
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: in context, and you don't learn them as part of
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: like a broader worldview. You just know little facts and
• 18:47
  Speaker 3: all that prepares you for rather than being like an
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: informed citizen is just like being good at trivia. And
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: so that made me think, like, oh, so it's actually
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: like flop to be good at trivia, Like so I'm
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: I'm actually the smart one for reading, like for you know, reading,
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: let's say like a couple of books where I learn
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: about a topic in depth, but not having broad trivia knowledge.
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: And people that know trivia are basically sorry, amusing themselves
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: to death, pernial postman.
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: They have there's nowhere for that information to go for them,
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah they have. They have no actual skills. They're essentially
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: worthless to society totally except for their kind of fun
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: at parties or really annoying at bar trivia. Now, yes,
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: I mean I will say well, I won't say that
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: this for all people who are really good at trivia,
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: but a lot of people I know who are good
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: at trivia are largely deeply unpleasant people to be around.
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: Well, it extends to other parts of their personality, yes,
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: because it's like a it's a sort of you gotta
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: be number one. Yeah, and it's very got to catch
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: them all. But with like pieces of information, with everything,
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: and I don't know, I used to think of myself,
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: for example, as someone who like knew about the oscars
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: and then you meet other gay guys and you're like,
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: I'll get it, and christ like I just knew that,
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: Like you know, Julia Boche won for the English patient.
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: Wait no, wait, no, that is not Wait that's not
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: like you're exposing both Scott Thomas. That's Christmas closer, it's
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: Christmas Scott Thomas.
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: But no, she must have won for something.
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: She definitely has.
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: She's I mean, she's maybe wow, this she was great.
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: Do you actually know about the oscars? I know so
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: little about the oscars. I mean I have a very
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: hard time. For whatever reason, my brain cannot consume celebrity names. Sorry,
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: English patient, English patient. What'd you say?
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: Did I say English patient?
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: I feel like you said you possibly said.
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: I don't know. All right, go ahead, I'm actually we're
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: beeping all of that.
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: Go ahead, there's going to be a lot. It's going
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: to sound like a flash flood warning to those large
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: amber alert. I don't know anything about like, I have
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: a very hard time holding celebrity names in my head
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: or celebrity facts, even about celebodies I really love, And
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: I don't understand why.
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: I think that. It's like whatever I learned by the
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: age of like, let's say, twenty seven, is really burned
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: in there. Yes, I certainly can't learn about anything new. Ones.
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: The other day, someone was trying to talk to me
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: about Brianna chicken Fry. Do you know does that resonate
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: with you? It is apparent. I can't even get into it.
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: But it's apparently like a barstool sports podcaster who used
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: to date a country musician and they've had drama that
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: is like on the front page of every tabloid, and
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: everyone somehow knows about her.
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: Chicken Fry her real last name.
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: It is not her real last name, but it's a
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: name she like. I think maybe people. I called her
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: that and then she like reclaimed it and now she's
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: Brianna chicken Fry. I mean it is sort of an
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: iconic name. I guess I would love to be named
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: Brianna chicken Fry. Maybe I would be, like, you know,
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: on every billboard if.
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: That was, well, that's the name I'll be able to
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: remember for the rest of my exactly because one of
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: those things is not a name, right.
• 21:58
  Speaker 4: Also, I just have just to make you feel better words.
• 22:00
  Speaker 4: Kristen Scott Thomas and Juliet Banoses were both nominated for
• 22:05
  Speaker 4: the English Patient. Juliet Binoche won. Oh, Scott Thomas was
• 22:08
  Speaker 4: just nominated, so you werel I.
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: Got to wow. So I'm basically, uh, Lewis Ertel, that's
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: like my go to for someone who knows Lewis Bertell.
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: I mean the mind is yeah, it's an absolute No,
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: it's crazy, it's really wild what he's able to conjure. Yeah,
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: it's unpleasant person, just one of the worst. No, Like
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: I think, and going back to trivia a little bit,
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: I think maybe you can relate to this as a
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: gay person. Like growing up, you're probably during trivia games
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: with friends, usually probably the best at it. Which probably
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: inflates your ego in some way.
• 22:43
  Speaker 4: Uh.
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: And then you get out into the real gay world,
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: and that's when you really get demolished. You come out
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: being like, well, I know some pop culture trivia and
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: a little bit that was decent enough in history.
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean. So here's the thing though, my parents
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: are both engineering pH ds, so that creates a different
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: element to all of this, which is growing up I
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: was and I'm the only one in my family who
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: did not pursue the sciences. I was always like, you don't.
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: It's like everyone else would know about you know, the
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: details of mathematical like you know, the sort of like
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: math and science part of trivial pursuit or whatever it's called, right,
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: And I would be struggling. And my mom is like
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: a huge history buff and like like has very encyclopedic
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: knowledge of geography, and so she would like shame us
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: for not knowing like country capitals and stuff. So actually,
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: to your point, I grew up being very insecrat that
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: I didn't know that stuff. And I'd be like, well,
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: at least I know who won the oscar for the
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: English patient. And then as soon as I graduated from
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: being with my family to being with around gay people.
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: I also felt insecure about not knowing enough about Juliet Pinoche.
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: So I'm actually I've never felt so confident about trivia.
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I just kind of I guess I tried to
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: avoid it at this point, and we'll just be very
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: quiet during Jeopardy until I know an answer. And then
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: when even when I know an answer on Jeopardy, I
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: don't really say it because then it's a parrot that
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: I didn't know any of the other answers. Yes, I'm
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: just not meant for that world. I don't know where
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: I'm meant to be, and hopefully I'll find it some Jay.
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: Same. I mean, we're running out of time.
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: I'm rapidly.
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: It's crazy.
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: I feel like it's basically I basically am the person
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: I'm going to be until I die, and I uh
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: am I happy with it?
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: Probably not right, I know. I go back and forth,
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: like do you when you wake up? Like, are you
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: like we're on a good track.
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: Currently. Yeah, that's a very good question. I feel like
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: we're in such a period of this. This is kind
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: of a true answer of like what is going on anywhere?
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: And it's hard to base where my life is in
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: any respect.
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: I agree, it's weirdly like A. It's almost like a
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: death of all context or something. Yes, every move I
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: make in every word I say exist in a vacuum.
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: It means nothing.
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it actually goes back to the weird versus normal thing.
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: I'm like, what is normal?
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: It's nothing, it's nothing, it's nothing. There's I don't even
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: aspire to another person that I'm like all that person
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: seems pretty normal.
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: Okay, so two things. A exactly what you're saying. I
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: don't aspire to anyone else's life or existence. Wait what
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: was the second thing? I was gonna say? Fuck, damn, Okay,
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: it's gonna come to me.
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like maybe the like outside of me.
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: The two categories people fall into this point are either
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: boring or psycho. Yeah, and so I'm well, I don't
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: want to what am I supposed to do? And I'm
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: certainly not going to become my own thing?
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: I know.
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: So what's the what's the third option here? Oh?
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: I know what I was gonna say. So A, you
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: can't aspire to anyone else's life and be there are
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: no leaders that you like. There are no like moral
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: or even like rhetorical leaders, like in the way that
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: like it used to be that likeasically public intellections, like
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: who am I looking? Okay, so all these crazy things
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: are happening, Who am I looking to? Who's the gnome
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: chum Ski? Yes?
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: Who will bring some comfort in this situation?
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: And like you know, when you watch old clips of
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: like a Susan Sontag or something, You're like, oh, people
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: would turn on the TV and just watch this, listen
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: to the whole prime time And now we have Brown
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: a chicken.
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: Fry and the only reason we know about her is
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: some other thing that she's not even yeah, like what
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: what information am I supposed to derive from the chicken
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: fry family?
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: Totally? Yes, exactly, or even like at least you could
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: be like, oh, we used to have like John. I mean,
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: I know John Steard is still alive, but it's like
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: times are different, Okay, I'm not actually being comforted. As
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: much as I love and respect John Stewart, I'm not
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: actually being comforted.
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: He went away for a very long time and now
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: he's come back, and I'm like, I don't even know
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: what for. It's a pet cemetery situation where I'm like
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: I don't even know. And also I don't I'm not
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: going to watch a full episode of the Daily Show.
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: What are we talking about? I'll see a random clip
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: and uh, and then again going back to amusing ourselves
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: to death. It's like, well, if I didn't know any
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: of these people or any of the things are saying
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: would have any effect on exactly what I'm doing right.
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: Now, I'm so glad that amusing ourselves to death got
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: like a big response from you, because it could have
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: gone so in the other direction.
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: I had to just like, so, I see some tissue
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: boxes on here, what should we talk about this? It's no,
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: it's a very good book. It's great, and there are
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: a few kind of rusty things you've come across, but
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: of course it's forty years old or something.
• 27:30
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: I mean, it's very funny to remember which things people
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: had moral panics about, like he loves on a chapter
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: where he's talking about like religion on television and like televangelism,
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: and it's like, oh, boy, like you have no idea
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: how bad it's gotten. Like imagine him like like introducing
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: him to the concept of a megachurch.
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: Oh, you would have no they're in arenas. Yeah, they're
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: arenas like bigger than rock concerts. It's crazy rock concerts
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: with I don't know. I don't know. Well, I feel
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: like there's something else we should talk about. I don't
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: want to. I didn't even I've been trying to delay, delay, delay,
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: because I'm not comfortable bringing this up on my podcast.
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: But you're here. I feel like we should just get
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: through this as quickly as possible. I was excited to
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: have you here today. I thought, George will come on
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: the podcast, we'll have you know, we'll catch up, talk
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: about things that are important to us and the listener,
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: and move on with our days. So I was a
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: little shaken, borderline upset when you walked into the studio
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: the podcast is called. I said, no gifts. I feel
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: like you must know that you were holding a gift.
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: I was, yeah, I I sort of have so irony
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: poison that I actually do the opposite of what I'm
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: asked at all times. And I thought, consider it like
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: my edge lord tendency. I said, I'm gonna fucking bring
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: him a.
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: Gift when you're not on a message board. Yeah, you're
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: taking that behavior.
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: I have a Reddit personality, I would say, I might
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: not be good at trivia, but I am good at
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: saying slurs on the internet.
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: Can we take one moment, though, and to talk about
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: how redda has had such an interesting for the for decades.
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: I thought horrible website run by the men I would
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: not listen to in any way, and now I'm crawling
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: to it for any sort of real information.
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: I know. It's kind of crazy, isn't it.
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: It's humiliating for me.
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Reddit is such a fascinating like part of the
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: culture too, because its influence spreads so far. Like I oh,
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: I'm a huge tennis fan. I always think about the
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: fact that Serrina Williams is married to the founder of
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: redd hit. I didn't know that, and it's like it
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: just goes It's like and also I don't know much
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: about him, so please don't come for me, but I'm like,
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: compared to so many other tech CEOs and tech founders,
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: he actually seems relatively like normal and is married to
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: Serena Williams, which is more than I can say for
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: And so it's like then also read it had like
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: one of the first female CEOs, which is so so
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: goes against their like the sort of reputation they have
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: in the evaluation. Yeah, it weirdly is one of the
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: only social media platforms that wasn't like overtaken by advertisements
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: and like promoted content and just like slop right, like
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: Instagram is a hellhole.
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: It is so awful, so unbelievably poisonous in so and
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: literally everyone it's crazy and it's become inescapable. And but
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: also I don't know, I don't know what to do
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: with that aspect of my Yeah, yeah, I wish I
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: wasn't tied into it professionally.
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: No, I I every day I wish I would. And
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: also sometimes I'm like, is that even a cop out
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: that I even pretend I am right.
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: Doesn't have any effects?
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: I don't know, But what if it does. Let's bring
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: out the gift it's in this beautiful little white bag.
• 31:07
  Speaker 3: I would say the store that it's from is very
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: misleading because it's actually has nothing to do with read.
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: How have I never heard of this? It's called Bestie's
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: Vegan Paradise. Is it a vegan grocery store?
• 31:18
  Speaker 3: So it is a vegan grocery store or like a
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: vegan sort of specialty food store that also sells hot dogs. Okay,
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: but they also do, in fact have non vegan hot dogs, oh,
• 31:31
  Speaker 3: which is strang's a huge line because it's on the
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: one hand, like, obviously it's great to appeal to more
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: communities and to be inclusive, but don't call yourself a
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: vegan paradise if you specifically do also have hot kind
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: of one of the most like you know, meat forward that.
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: Palatable vegan hot dogs and sausages vegan Like, I feel
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: like almost no one can tell the difference. Yeah, so
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: why bother with a real hot dog?
• 31:58
  Speaker 4: There?
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: Is it a cost cutting measure?
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: I honestly think it's that. I think vegan businesses realize
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: very early on that actually the vegan population is much
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: smaller than they think.
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: Right, that's gonna be a rude awakening when you're like.
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so I think. And then a hot dogs. Honest,
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: they are probably pretty cheap, right, They already have the toppings.
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: I'm sure the toppings are vegan. Anyway, I don't want
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: to delay this further. The point is the gift has
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: nothing to do with vegan or food.
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: I hope it's just a non big hot dog.
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: They also have like little knickknacks and stuff. Okay, I
• 32:33
  Speaker 3: mean it's a story in Los Angeles, so you know
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: they're gonna stell candle.
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, let's reach in here.
• 32:39
  Speaker 3: And I tried to go for maximum unwrapping potential.
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: Oh I love thank you the listener appreciates that. I
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: appreciate it. And it's especially crinkly, I would say the pain.
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: I love this. I just don't even want to look
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: at this. I kind of pets the rapping.
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: Okay. And it's multiple parts okay.
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: Oh should I take them out in particular order?
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: No? No, I mean it's like it all comes together. Okay,
• 32:59
  Speaker 3: so see that's the most exciting part.
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: This is kind of should I describe it yet?
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: Sure?
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: Like a little Adobe house, yes, with a ladder. And
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: should we talk about this or should I keep opening,
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: keep opening, keep opening.
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: It's a little miniature house.
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, it's a miniature house with a little chimney.
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: It's it's apparently made in New Mexico, so it sort
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: of has that like New Mexican.
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: Like what we were talking about earlier. Yes, exactly, it's surfling
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: back to its anti vax.
• 33:26
  Speaker 3: Yes, it's an anti vax woman selling her ware. So
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: that's the bottom you can put it.
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: On top like this.
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: Okay. The one thing is it doesn't like click into place.
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: It does not click into place.
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: It does not click into place, which I found interesting
• 33:37
  Speaker 3: but also more charming.
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: Does it click into place at No?
• 33:42
  Speaker 3: I know because I tried in the store and I
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: had to accept that it doesn't. There is one more
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: thing in the bag.
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: It simply doesn't. It just makes it look lopsided. Yeah,
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: it looks like the house is built on a bad boundary.
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: But that's how you know it's you know, handmade, authentic. Yeah, okay,
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: So basically these are like incense that you put in it.
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: That's what it is.
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: Like food.
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: It definitely looks like or rabbit droppings.
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: Can I smell them?
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: Sure? I haven't. Do they smell good?
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: They don't smell like anything. I have a bad sense
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: of smell though.
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: Let's see. I think they maybe will only smell when.
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: You like to burn.
• 34:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I definitely not. Okay, So so yeah, things
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: like the I think you put them there. You can
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: also cut them in half if you want.
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: I was told, if you want to be thrifty. Yeah,
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: it's a Again, they don't. Yeah, so it almost feels
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: like a fire hazard totally because sparks will be flying
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: out of it. Yeah. I love this. So but did
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: this come from Vegan Paradise? Yes, so you were kind
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: of just browsing.
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: So here's what I'll say. I can tell you my
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: thought process. I was like, obviously, the prompt to get
• 34:51
  Speaker 3: you a get to quote unquote not get you a gift.
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: I don't know. Beep all that is beep to gain.
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: The prompt for a a.
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: Oh, there's a lighter. Should we light it?
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah, let's light it. I would love to see how
• 35:06
  Speaker 3: it works.
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: This is unbelievable. I didn't think it would be allowed
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: to light up. I mean, this could lead to some
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: sort of disaster.
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: I'm really not a like an incense type person. So, okay,
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: so it's being lit. I think you just burn it
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: a little bit, a little bit and then it just
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: it just smokes and then.
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: I just want to look into the camera.
• 35:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, and then it sort of comes out of
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: the chimney and.
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: We'll come out of the chimney. How much do I
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: need to burn it? I'm not saying any smoke yet.
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: I see now I'm burning my thumb, which is okay,
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: let's see.
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: If damn, maybe if I oh, but I smell it.
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: You smell it, do you? And again I okay, it's
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: almost like a cedar, yeah, cedar chip. I really want
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: it to keep going. But I know same, I should
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: not be allowed to use a lighter. I'm not. I think,
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: just like, keep just keep going for a minute.
• 36:00
  Speaker 4: So you just keep just until it catches on fire basically, and.
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: Then oh on a Leasa is trying to vacate the
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: studio essentially, I mean you it is. Oh, there we go,
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: here we go. Okay, it's on fire, and now it'll
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: all be great.
• 36:16
  Speaker 4: Blow it out.
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: Oh I blow it out?
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: Okay, Oh there okay, now oh and now it's okay.
• 36:23
  Speaker 3: That is stunning. There we go.
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: Oh and it's got the smoke. It's a very cozy
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: little place. Okay, now you know what.
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: I know it doesn't click, but you've actually placed in
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: a really great way where it looks intentional. I think, yeah,
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: it's not lopsided.
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: And now I'm starting to wonder if it's not supposed
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: to click. I wonder if it's definitely not supposed to click,
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: but like almost on oh as in like you want
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: the smoke to just be I wonder if there's some
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: sort of design element where they that makes sense. I
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: can't speak to lighting fires or how any of this works,
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: but it looks intentional.
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: Definitely. I actually think it looks really amazing. Okay, so
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: do you want me to tell me you projects? So
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: you know, the prompt is wow, the smell is actually pretty.
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: Well, this as close to it Joe Rogan episode as possible.
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: I've got a cigar in my mouth.
• 37:05
  Speaker 3: Yes, So I was like, all right, getting a gift.
• 37:08
  Speaker 3: There is something that feels so desperate as a comedian
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: to go to be like what can I get? That's
• 37:15
  Speaker 3: so crazy? That's like it's like, oh, I'm getting you
• 37:19
  Speaker 3: like a giant dildo and like and or you know,
• 37:23
  Speaker 3: I'm getting like a big giant sombrero, like you know,
• 37:27
  Speaker 3: you you. The instinctive force is to go big and
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: to be either like borderline offensive or like so all
• 37:34
  Speaker 3: comedy that it's like I got you a paper click.
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: Right, and then it's literally not a conversation.
• 37:39
  Speaker 3: And so I was like, Okay, maybe the most radical
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: thing I can do is get like a cliche, faceless,
• 37:48
  Speaker 3: completely lacking personality, like housewarming gift, like a candle, a
• 37:52
  Speaker 3: picture frame, something like that. Right, So my intent, and
• 37:55
  Speaker 3: I saw that this place had a whole candle section.
• 37:57
  Speaker 3: I was like, I'm going to get him like a
• 37:59
  Speaker 3: vanilla candle, and that'll be like the joke is just
• 38:01
  Speaker 3: like it's so personality less that it's like if your
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: aunt that has not seen you since you were four
• 38:08
  Speaker 3: came to your wedding and like brought you a gift.
• 38:11
  Speaker 3: But then I mean, I'm sorry, but I just have
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: such amazing like esthetic impulses that you know, you see
• 38:17
  Speaker 3: a diny little so I was in the candle section
• 38:20
  Speaker 3: right with the intention of buying a boring candle, but
• 38:22
  Speaker 3: then I see a little maide in New Mexico, God
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: made in New Mexico miniature house that you put a
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: little thing in it and then the smoke comes out
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: of the chimney, and I'm like, well, I can't not
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: get that.
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: It's so charming, So I really this can actually go
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: in my home.
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: And actually I completely shot myself on the foot because
• 38:37
  Speaker 3: it's like this is no longer funny in any way.
• 38:39
  Speaker 3: It's just like a cute little object.
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: Which I appreciate. I think that this is kind of
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: a secret for guests on this podcast, is if they
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: bring something that's genuinely interesting or interesting to them. I
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: mean this is a shock, yes they want to talk
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: about yeah, which I think. I mean, this is something
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: I actually want to talk about because I've never been
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: to New Mexico and I have anything that's obsessed with
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: the idea.
• 39:02
  Speaker 3: I have no connection, no connection with New Mexico. I
• 39:04
  Speaker 3: literally don't like incense, Like I'm much more of a
• 39:07
  Speaker 3: candle person at home. Ever, with incense, I don't know
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: anything about, like ceramics, Like this is completely for an
• 39:16
  Speaker 3: object to me, and yet I'm looking at it now
• 39:18
  Speaker 3: and I'm like, you know, sorry, but you're never gonna
• 39:21
  Speaker 3: throw that out, Like you're gonna you're that's gonna be
• 39:23
  Speaker 3: part of your life forever, and you're gonna have to
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: move apartments or move houses with it.
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: You're gonna happily move houses. And it's also something I
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: can carefully put in a box. It's not going to
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: overtake anything. Yeah, you know, there are some There are
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: different categories of gifts that I get on this podcast,
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: Things that are actually in my house that I can
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: put up and just leave and I don't feel ashamed
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: of It doesn't detract from the rest of what's happening
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: in my home. Then there are things that I that
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: are interesting to look at but I certainly wouldn't put
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: out sure, And then there's garbage. Yeah, and this is
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: number one.
• 39:58
  Speaker 3: I'm so happy. No, And I really to think about
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: the garbage question because I was like, is it funny
• 40:03
  Speaker 3: to bring like a complete like a cup of coffee?
• 40:06
  Speaker 3: Because right, because, by the way, let me say this,
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: generally speaking, this would be a very easy prompt, like
• 40:10
  Speaker 3: bring anything and we'll talk about it. I am visiting
• 40:14
  Speaker 3: with no access to my own things, staying in a
• 40:18
  Speaker 3: completely like faceless airbnb, and it is pouring rain, and
• 40:23
  Speaker 3: I don't have a car, so actually hell, Like I
• 40:26
  Speaker 3: woke up to me and I was like, oh, I'm
• 40:28
  Speaker 3: like I should cancel. Like it would actually be easier
• 40:32
  Speaker 3: to cancel than to think of something I could like
• 40:36
  Speaker 3: either walk to from my airbnb or get an uber
• 40:39
  Speaker 3: to a store.
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: No, that's a I mean, this podcast for me obviously
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: is not that difficult. But I think about when there's
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: any level of homework or anything for a podcast, I
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: have to think about it. The way I spin out
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: is unbelievable. It's like the only thing I care about
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: in my life. For the week leading up, just trying
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: to think of the thing. And so I try to
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: just ignore what my guests have to go through because.
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: But I appreciate it though. I think like it's very
• 41:10
  Speaker 3: you're almost like deconstructing, like the idea of a conversation,
• 41:14
  Speaker 3: because the conversation has to have a topic. Sure, and
• 41:18
  Speaker 3: you're like, okay, so what object can we talk about? Yes,
• 41:22
  Speaker 3: that's completely random.
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: That's the absolute hope that it, like it will force
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: a conversation in a way that no natural conversation would Africa. Yeah,
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: but back to New Mexico definitely.
• 41:33
  Speaker 3: And by the way, I also want to say, there
• 41:35
  Speaker 3: were other options. One was like more of a TP,
• 41:37
  Speaker 3: and other I could have. I was like, I can't
• 41:40
  Speaker 3: go in a direction that feels almost like I wouldn't
• 41:42
  Speaker 3: say appropriative, but like, well, if I give you something
• 41:45
  Speaker 3: that's shaped like a TP, then I would have to
• 41:47
  Speaker 3: like make jokes about the idea of the TP.
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: Yes, TP is a complicated territory.
• 41:51
  Speaker 3: Complicated territory.
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: I think it's not what we went through an elementary Yes,
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: we've societies kind of figured out the TP's not just
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: a generic symbol.
• 42:01
  Speaker 3: And of course I'm sure it has different connotations in
• 42:03
  Speaker 3: New Mexico, again, a state I have never been to.
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: Of course, there may have never been a TP in
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: New Mexico.
• 42:08
  Speaker 3: Who knows. So so I was like, and then there
• 42:11
  Speaker 3: was a log cabin that was the other.
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: Oh, okay, which is boring and stupid.
• 42:16
  Speaker 3: Thank you for saying that to me. I'm like that
• 42:18
  Speaker 3: I could imagine living like if I was to move
• 42:20
  Speaker 3: to New Mexico, I would want my house to look
• 42:22
  Speaker 3: like this.
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: If you live in just kind of a new build
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: in New Mexico, why are you in New Mexico right exactly,
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: You've got to be in something that looks like it's
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: made from clay. Yeah, it should be in the sun
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: at all times.
• 42:32
  Speaker 3: I really like the little top. So if you turn around,
• 42:36
  Speaker 3: you see that there's like a ladder that leads.
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: To yes, yes, and this little door.
• 42:40
  Speaker 3: Imagine a dinner part, like an outdoor dinner party. The
• 42:43
  Speaker 3: natural wine is flowing, you have everyone there, you can
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: see your view of just like the desert, I guess,
• 42:49
  Speaker 3: and people are smoking.
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: Hash too much ash. No, this is almost a reason
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: I can't go to New Mexico, because I've really created
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: the ideal version of what that state is, and I
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: will just briefly say they do have the absolute best
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: state license plate.
• 43:06
  Speaker 3: Oh what is it?
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: It's stunning. I'm going to show it to you because
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: recently my home state switched their license plate to the
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: most boring possible.
• 43:15
  Speaker 3: You're from Utah, yes.
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: And it's infuriating for me because we used to have
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: a kind of a fun license plate, and it's upsetting
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: for me. This is the New Mexico plate. The coloring,
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: the design, Ah, that is stunning. Why every states it's like, oh,
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: we're going to go for it. Why wouldn't you go
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: for it.
• 43:34
  Speaker 3: There's something about New Mexico and Arizona where like they
• 43:39
  Speaker 3: were so ahead of the curb, just graphic design wise,
• 43:41
  Speaker 3: oh yeah, and like design trend wise, oh yeah. And
• 43:45
  Speaker 3: it's interesting that people always call that family of aesthetics
• 43:50
  Speaker 3: like Scandinavian, like the sort of minimalist whatever, clean lines,
• 43:55
  Speaker 3: and it's like yeah, but it's also.
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: Southwest, extremely southwest. Look at this little house, so.
• 44:01
  Speaker 3: You look at that. You don't get that in Copenhagen.
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: Yes, absolutely. And you can't be out on the deck
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: in Copenhagen.
• 44:07
  Speaker 3: You cannot be out on the deck in Copenhagen.
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: Maybe for a week a year.
• 44:11
  Speaker 3: Oh my god, God, when I went to Copenhagen, I've
• 44:13
  Speaker 3: never been more ignored in a gay club in my life.
• 44:16
  Speaker 3: I might as well have not existed, is that true? Yeah?
• 44:19
  Speaker 3: I don't know what it was. I mean I also
• 44:20
  Speaker 3: probably had a sort of air of desperation about me.
• 44:22
  Speaker 3: I was like pretty young and like didn't have the
• 44:25
  Speaker 3: you know, disarming confidence I have now. I mean I
• 44:27
  Speaker 3: would never dare to bring this as a gift to someone.
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: What was the general vibe in the Copenhagen club?
• 44:34
  Speaker 3: I just think there's something about this was probably like
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: twenty fourteen. Let's say, there's something about like the cliche out.
• 44:45
  Speaker 3: It's like imagine like a Japanese architect, you know, like
• 44:48
  Speaker 3: clean lines, issimiaki, like sort of like kind of wide
• 44:54
  Speaker 3: legged pans, yes whatever, also really tall because it's media. Yeah,
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: and so everyone was dressed like that, but as though
• 45:04
  Speaker 3: they had like woken up that morning. That's trick. And
• 45:08
  Speaker 3: I just like was very like American apparel because that
• 45:11
  Speaker 3: was what was going on over here. You were drinking
• 45:14
  Speaker 3: land of American apparel, I'll admit.
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that was we were. That must have been post
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: article about that guy.
• 45:24
  Speaker 3: Creep.
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the mustache.
• 45:25
  Speaker 3: By the way, they have great clothes now at Los Angeles.
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: Angelis Apparel, but the company has kind of been taken over.
• 45:33
  Speaker 3: We hope I will not be looking into it.
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: Good cotton, yes.
• 45:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah, great cotton, great basics, great basics. Great. Uh, I've
• 45:47
  Speaker 3: in my old age. I'm experimenting for the first time
• 45:49
  Speaker 3: in my life with like a I wouldn't call it
• 45:51
  Speaker 3: a muscle tea, but like a sleeveless interesting.
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: I wonder if ever I'll wear a sleepless thing to
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: the gym.
• 45:58
  Speaker 3: I think you could absolutely put you have God blessed.
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: But I don't know that. I just I don't know
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: that I could go out in public in just polite
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: company wearing it and be like not thinking about it
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: the entire time.
• 46:09
  Speaker 3: No, I know. And you know what else, when a
• 46:11
  Speaker 3: gay guy wears a sleeveless shirt, I literally have to stop.
• 46:16
  Speaker 3: I have to my instinct as though it's like an
• 46:19
  Speaker 3: as though it's like the doctor hitting my knee and
• 46:21
  Speaker 3: my knees going up and my legs going up. Literally,
• 46:23
  Speaker 3: I cannot stop myself from saying okay, arms like it's
• 46:29
  Speaker 3: it's shocking. It's like you think you're not that cliche
• 46:33
  Speaker 3: or what you know, you think you're not someone who
• 46:34
  Speaker 3: would say arms. And it literally happened to me in
• 46:37
  Speaker 3: Chicago recently. My friend Parker was very sleeping and I
• 46:40
  Speaker 3: genuinely it was as though I was suddenly hypnotized.
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: Okay, arms, And then like if someone were to say
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: that to me, I don't know what I would even
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: do with the information because it's like half a compliment.
• 46:51
  Speaker 3: Half of just like it's not saying yeah.
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: But I'm like, now I'm now even thinking about it
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: even more than I was. I know, I'm gonna go
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: stand in the bathroom something. You're flexing like, yeah, it's
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: a strange, but you're experimenting with this.
• 47:06
  Speaker 3: I know. I'm oh, yes I am. I'm experimentedless. There's
• 47:12
  Speaker 3: something about it that feels I mean again, I wouldn't
• 47:15
  Speaker 3: go on a you know, I wouldn't go to like
• 47:17
  Speaker 3: a wedding in a sleeveless I very much am against
• 47:20
  Speaker 3: like red carpet like vest only on a red carpet.
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah that it simply has never worked. I don't care
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: how many it's not. You will look back and feel
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: bad about wearing.
• 47:32
  Speaker 3: That where And also no bare chest under a blazer,
• 47:36
  Speaker 3: like just wearing sure and.
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: Sleep because it's just that is not that's not clothing,
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: not accepted, and it's you would not wear that to
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: the grocery store. No, And I know that the red
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: carpet and grocery store are different things, but they are
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: both in public.
• 47:51
  Speaker 3: It's also like, clearly you're wearing it to show off
• 47:53
  Speaker 3: your arms, but it weirdly actually makes you look less. Okay,
• 47:58
  Speaker 3: what do arms denote? Like a sort of like good masculinity.
• 48:00
  Speaker 3: But then when you just wear a vest, it's like, okay,
• 48:03
  Speaker 3: well you're Katie laying.
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: You're dressed like a fifth grade tea.
• 48:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah, like it has the opposite intended effect.
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: Yes, exactly, And almost no vest ever looks good in
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: any situation, so fully exposed, just seeing pure vest feels crazy.
• 48:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so I would not wear it in like It's
• 48:20
  Speaker 3: more just like if I'm going to a gay bar,
• 48:23
  Speaker 3: I will occasionally do it and be like, well, this
• 48:26
  Speaker 3: is my big arm day. I'm actually kind of gonna
• 48:30
  Speaker 3: I'll let you know a secret. I'm gonna do it
• 48:32
  Speaker 3: on Friday because I packed one and we're I'm going
• 48:37
  Speaker 3: to some sort of gay party on Friday.
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: You're invited it's completely appropriate and I'm gonna show up
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: in the same thing. Yeah, yeah, I feel like that.
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: Maybe that's a place to kind of try it out. Yes,
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: get comfortable with it.
• 48:50
  Speaker 3: And actually, in that context, you're the most conservative one
• 48:52
  Speaker 3: because everyone else is shirtless.
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, everybody's or in a vest with nothing under it.
• 48:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just like being fisted.
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: Exactly.
• 49:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like I'm in that. I'm Tim Walls being like, well,
• 49:05
  Speaker 3: I'm normal.
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: I don't know about you freaks exactly. The other thing
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: this is, I guess just the existing in general thing
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: is like the amount of thinking about myself I'm doing
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: is simply not what anybody else is doing. Yes, they
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: might just glance and be like, I mean if I
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: guess if the shirt looks good, they think, oh, that
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: looks good, and they move on. They didn't think about
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: the days of planning you had and putting it in
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: your suitcase and being like, I'm gonna do it totally.
• 49:34
  Speaker 3: That said, there is a point at which they do, like,
• 49:38
  Speaker 3: if you are dressed stupid enough, they do start thinking
• 49:40
  Speaker 3: about it exactly, And that's actually it's like I think
• 49:43
  Speaker 3: I'm I could get away, I think you or I
• 49:45
  Speaker 3: could get away with like a sleeveless tea from Los
• 49:48
  Speaker 3: Angeles parents. Okay, okay, but then let's keep going further.
• 49:51
  Speaker 3: It's like, all right, maybe then after that, it's like,
• 49:54
  Speaker 3: could we get away with spaghetti straps? No, I actually
• 49:57
  Speaker 3: think if your eyes showed up to a function wearing
• 50:00
  Speaker 3: like a sort of limited two spaghetti straps of a little.
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: Flower over here losing friends rapidly.
• 50:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and everyone would like keep commenting on it, and
• 50:08
  Speaker 3: it would not feel good.
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: Because it's so far out of the realm of possibility
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: for what I wear. Yeah, not that there's anything wrong
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: with that, but for what I've trained people to believe
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: about who I am. I know to show up and
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: that would be too much for everybody, and it would
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: be an evening ruining experience probably for everyone.
• 50:27
  Speaker 3: But if you were if you and I showed up
• 50:29
  Speaker 3: in matching limited to there we go. Now no one
• 50:31
  Speaker 3: knows a bit, Yeah, no one knows what to do.
• 50:34
  Speaker 3: But also it's like it's also like, you know, we
• 50:37
  Speaker 3: know each other, but not that well. But then like
• 50:39
  Speaker 3: us showing up in matching outfits at a party and
• 50:41
  Speaker 3: then everyone's like, oh, I didn't know they were like
• 50:43
  Speaker 3: best friends.
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: I didn't know they were so clothes, and then people
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: start wondering like should I wear that? It actually kind
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: of does look good And this is how you break
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: down social north totally and create a new reality. Yeah,
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: maybe it's time for me to get one, but I'll
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: have to be bround gay people first, gay people and
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: women wearing it before I hang around with a straight
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: people because straight people love to raz.
• 51:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well it's I know, it's it's complicated because it's
• 51:15
  Speaker 3: like they do love to raz. But then it's also
• 51:18
  Speaker 3: I feel like, at some point sort of post you
• 51:20
  Speaker 3: know Jonathan Vaness, straight people were like, all right, just
• 51:23
  Speaker 3: to be sorry, I'm not commenting on any clothing, so
• 51:26
  Speaker 3: they actually, you can show up wearing a truly like
• 51:30
  Speaker 3: a cow Halloween costume with utters, and a straight I
• 51:34
  Speaker 3: will just be like looking at you, dead in the eye,
• 51:36
  Speaker 3: being like, so like, what do you do? Because he's
• 51:39
  Speaker 3: so afraid.
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: There's no idea what's going on in the culture. But yeah,
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: I guess that's probably true.
• 51:46
  Speaker 4: Hmm.
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: Interesting. I feel like it's purely intention if if it
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: looks intentional, it's always intention But yeah, this I don't know.
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: We'll see what happens with my future fashion choice. But
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: I have been wearing them to the gym and it's
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: felt I'm getting more comfortable with the idea. We'll see
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: what happened.
• 52:05
  Speaker 3: What the future I mean at the gym, you know,
• 52:08
  Speaker 3: it's like you are flexing by design, right, and it's
• 52:12
  Speaker 3: always nice to get a little peak of yourself mid
• 52:14
  Speaker 3: flex with the Yeah.
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: What are you working in with here?
• 52:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: Also, my gym is very inconsistent with the air conditioner,
• 52:21
  Speaker 2: and it truly initially was out of necessity because it's like,
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: what are they doing with the ac?
• 52:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: I am. I feel like I have the flu when
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: I'm in this place. I love the place, but there
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: are some issues with air flow. And so I started.
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: I got on YouTube. How do I make a sleeveless shirt?
• 52:38
  Speaker 3: Oh? You made it yourself?
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: I made it myself. I made several. Wow, they look great.
• 52:43
  Speaker 3: I I gotta tell you, Los Angeles A Parel will
• 52:45
  Speaker 3: do it for you.
• 52:46
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna pop in there and see what they've got.
• 52:48
  Speaker 3: I would be remiss not to say that this has
• 52:51
  Speaker 3: stopped fuming.
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: There's absolutely no smoke. Is now just let's slide it
• 52:58
  Speaker 2: up for the rest of the episode. Why not? And
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: is there anything left we have to say about. I mean,
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: travel wise, I really would like to go to New Mexico.
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: Is there anywhere you're looking forward to going?
• 53:08
  Speaker 3: Ooh great question. Well okay, I am allegedly going to Japan.
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: Oh that's exciting.
• 53:15
  Speaker 3: When allegedly in the fall. Okay, I have not planned
• 53:18
  Speaker 3: it yet. This would be our honeymoon. Oh how excited,
• 53:21
  Speaker 3: but like a year after we got married. Okay. Sure.
• 53:25
  Speaker 3: The reason I'm being hesitant about it is because every
• 53:28
  Speaker 3: single person I know is going.
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: To Japan or has been in the last or has
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: been in the.
• 53:32
  Speaker 3: Last twelve months. And it's like, I'm almost old enough
• 53:38
  Speaker 3: to not care about being part of a trend, but
• 53:40
  Speaker 3: not quite there. But I also it feels crazy to
• 53:44
  Speaker 3: be like rolling your eyes talking about Japan because it's
• 53:46
  Speaker 3: literally the most expensive trip I will ever take in
• 53:48
  Speaker 3: my life. So I do need to be like excited
• 53:50
  Speaker 3: and ready to go.
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: It's very funny to me talking about travel as trendy,
• 53:56
  Speaker 2: oh country that's existed since forever. The other sad that's
• 54:01
  Speaker 2: gonna blow over.
• 54:02
  Speaker 3: Exactly, which is how I feel about. It's like, when
• 54:04
  Speaker 3: I went to Mexico City, I was like this, you guys,
• 54:06
  Speaker 3: this is what you're going to, Like, you're all just
• 54:08
  Speaker 3: going here to like go to like vintage stores that
• 54:10
  Speaker 3: sell like Rolling Stones t shirts, and it's.
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: Like the Vindo stores in Mexico City, by the way,
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: are extremely expensive. I was shocked.
• 54:17
  Speaker 3: I just want to say, there's there's no right way
• 54:19
  Speaker 3: to say this, so I will try my very best.
• 54:23
  Speaker 3: Mexico City, as curated by gay guys in Brooklyn and
• 54:28
  Speaker 3: Los Angeles is a completely overrated sham. I obviously Mexico
• 54:36
  Speaker 3: City more broadly is like a beautiful historic city and
• 54:40
  Speaker 3: like I think it's like a lovely place to visit,
• 54:43
  Speaker 3: great food, whatever. When you get one of these Google
• 54:46
  Speaker 3: docs where all these fucking fashion people and like random
• 54:51
  Speaker 3: people that are like music producers are like you know,
• 54:55
  Speaker 3: randomly work for like Andy Cohen or whatever. There are
• 54:58
  Speaker 3: millions of these Google docs and people will not be
• 55:00
  Speaker 3: shy about sending them to you. They all have the
• 55:02
  Speaker 3: same exact recommendations. You go to those places, you're like,
• 55:04
  Speaker 3: are you fucking kidding me?
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: My secret? I went with a straight man who spoke Spanish.
• 55:10
  Speaker 3: Well, there you go.
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: You have incredible experience.
• 55:12
  Speaker 3: Now you actually have to go with a specifically straight
• 55:15
  Speaker 3: man who is Mexican or at the very least speaks Spanish.
• 55:18
  Speaker 2: Yes, he's uh spoke Spanish and loved loves Mexico in general.
• 55:22
  Speaker 2: So it felt it was two gay men and a
• 55:24
  Speaker 2: straight man, and the two gay men didn't care what
• 55:26
  Speaker 2: we did, so we just got to follow the lead
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: of this person. And it was a perfect trip. But
• 55:29
  Speaker 2: what you're describing as hell.
• 55:31
  Speaker 3: It's hell. And I actually like, I mean, we ran
• 55:33
  Speaker 3: into multiple people we knew from Brooklyn, and I was like,
• 55:36
  Speaker 3: I was humiliated, was.
• 55:37
  Speaker 2: Like, Mexico.
• 55:40
  Speaker 3: Kidding me? And then we were like what are you, Like,
• 55:42
  Speaker 3: what have you guys been doing? And they just mentioned
• 55:43
  Speaker 3: the same places that we were going to go to
• 55:45
  Speaker 3: from the fucking Google spreadsheet that like Anthony Proowski uh created.
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: The last person in the world I want dictating my
• 55:56
  Speaker 2: travel Oh my, oh so Japan could have I mean,
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: that could happen to you in Japan.
• 56:02
  Speaker 3: So this is this is my big goal, is like
• 56:04
  Speaker 3: I really don't want it to happen to me in Japan, right.
• 56:07
  Speaker 2: So do you have goals within Japan that you want?
• 56:11
  Speaker 3: So we really have not started planning it yet, but
• 56:12
  Speaker 3: I actually am this close to like looking into a
• 56:16
  Speaker 3: travel agent because I read. I read an article on
• 56:19
  Speaker 3: the Wall Street Journal that said that gen Z is
• 56:22
  Speaker 3: reinventing travel agents.
• 56:24
  Speaker 2: I've been saying this. We took them for granted for
• 56:27
  Speaker 2: so long, and then the Internet collapsed and you no
• 56:30
  Speaker 2: longer can count on yourself or the internet, right, none
• 56:33
  Speaker 2: of that matters anymore. You need somebody who actually knows.
• 56:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah, So I want, like, uh, you know, I want
• 56:39
  Speaker 3: like a Japanese woman who's maybe forty seven years old.
• 56:41
  Speaker 3: You have extremely detailed file of this person, and I
• 56:44
  Speaker 3: want her to have already had a career in Japan
• 56:48
  Speaker 3: as like something cool like museum curator or something. And
• 56:53
  Speaker 3: then you know, she had she married, had maybe got
• 56:56
  Speaker 3: Marritian American, Yeah, and was like, you know what I've
• 57:03
  Speaker 3: I love the art world, but it's gotten so toxic,
• 57:05
  Speaker 3: like I need to, you know, I need a second act.
• 57:09
  Speaker 3: And she threw her experiences in the I actually I
• 57:12
  Speaker 3: am loving this person. I'm describing through her experience in
• 57:15
  Speaker 3: the art world and traveling and basle and all this stuff,
• 57:18
  Speaker 3: she actually has really developed amazing taste in food culture
• 57:22
  Speaker 3: or whatever. And so then she was like, what if
• 57:25
  Speaker 3: I become a travel agent. I know all these wealthy
• 57:27
  Speaker 3: people from the art world. They can be my first clients.
• 57:30
  Speaker 3: This is like, and that's how she sent her kid
• 57:32
  Speaker 3: three kids to college.
• 57:37
  Speaker 2: Japanese travel agent reach out. Yeah, exactly, she exists, she's
• 57:40
  Speaker 2: got to be out there. Of course, there's something within
• 57:42
  Speaker 2: that ballpark.
• 57:43
  Speaker 3: She had to toe com to Garsan. I can picture her.
• 57:46
  Speaker 3: It's like, so I really need her to reach out.
• 57:48
  Speaker 2: Do you have cities in mind within Japan?
• 57:50
  Speaker 3: See, I shouldn't have brought her up because literally we
• 57:51
  Speaker 3: have not started talking. Like I just I think because
• 57:56
  Speaker 3: we are obviously using money people gave us for this.
• 57:58
  Speaker 3: Like it's the first time my life that I feel
• 58:01
  Speaker 3: like I can really go for it, go for it. Yes,
• 58:04
  Speaker 3: So I don't have any sense of geography, but I'm like,
• 58:07
  Speaker 3: if we can do multiple cities and do like two
• 58:09
  Speaker 3: or three days in each and we can really like
• 58:12
  Speaker 3: book like two weeks of travel, like, It'll be the
• 58:15
  Speaker 3: first time in my life that I'm doing anything that ambitious.
• 58:19
  Speaker 2: Right. The travel agent is writing, all.
• 58:21
  Speaker 3: Yes, exactly, thank you so much. Have you been to Japan?
• 58:24
  Speaker 2: I have? I was there in twenty fifteen.
• 58:27
  Speaker 3: Okay, did you enjoy it?
• 58:29
  Speaker 2: Hated it?
• 58:30
  Speaker 3: Wow?
• 58:30
  Speaker 2: You kidding? It's out?
• 58:33
  Speaker 3: Y're so careful about about like my uh, you know
• 58:38
  Speaker 3: review of Mexico City, and now you just hate the
• 58:40
  Speaker 3: entire country of Japan.
• 58:41
  Speaker 2: No, I mean it was unbelievable.
• 58:43
  Speaker 3: I'm sure that's what everyone says.
• 58:44
  Speaker 2: It was kind of this experience of like I left,
• 58:46
  Speaker 2: I was like, oh, no, I've ruined going anywhere else
• 58:48
  Speaker 2: for the rest of my life because that's the only
• 58:50
  Speaker 2: place I want to go. It was. Everything was just wonderful,
• 58:55
  Speaker 2: endlessly fascinating. The food was so good, it was not
• 58:58
  Speaker 2: as expensive as I expected. Around was so easy. There
• 59:02
  Speaker 2: are just so many different parts of like Japanese culture
• 59:06
  Speaker 2: and entertainment that like, I was there for ten days
• 59:08
  Speaker 2: and I saw, you know, the smallest thumbprint of all
• 59:12
  Speaker 2: of it. And I went to Tokyo and Kyoto and
• 59:15
  Speaker 2: I was alone, and I was just wandering around and
• 59:18
  Speaker 2: it's the only place I've ever felt safe completely just
• 59:21
  Speaker 2: being like I can get lost and it does not matter.
• 59:24
  Speaker 3: Well, that's great here. I mean, it really is one
• 59:26
  Speaker 3: of those places that ever again, it's an entire country
• 59:29
  Speaker 3: that is one of the most like one of the
• 59:31
  Speaker 3: literally most populous countries in the world, and I keeping like, yeah,
• 59:34
  Speaker 3: it's just like everyone that's a great place. I'm also
• 59:36
  Speaker 3: very conscious of sounding like a dumb tourist because I
• 59:42
  Speaker 3: am from a place that is such a tourist this
• 59:44
  Speaker 3: thing because I went I like mostly grew up in Greece, right,
• 59:47
  Speaker 3: and so tourism is such a big part of the
• 59:49
  Speaker 3: culture that I as a Greek person and as someone
• 59:52
  Speaker 3: who went to high school in Greece, I know, I
• 59:56
  Speaker 3: roll my eyes so easily at like cliches that people
• 59:59
  Speaker 3: have about it. M hmm. But there's no if you're
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 3: not there's no way to know what the cliches are
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 3: about other places.
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 2: Those are the big things you hear about and you're like, well,
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 2: I guess that's what I see. Yeah, do Greek people
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 2: resent tourists?
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 3: You know, actually they don't, I actually think. I mean,
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 3: you know, obviously to an extent, if like a place
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 3: is overrun by tourists, then you can no longer go
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 3: to your favorite beach or restaurant or whatever, then obviously
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 3: that's bad. However, because Greece sort of doesn't have any
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 3: other huge parts of its economy, no offense right right
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 3: to the country, tourism is so like when tourism is booming,
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 3: that just is such a good sign for the health
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 3: of the country. Yes, yes, And so I think Greek people,
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 3: like especially compared to you know, Italian, French, like other
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 3: places where maybe there's more scoffing at tourists. I actually
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 3: think Greek people are incredibly hospitable and like really go
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 3: out of the way to learn English, and hospitality is
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 3: really seen as like a serious industry and right and whatever.
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 3: So yeah, it's sort of like shipping and tourism are
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 3: the only two industries. It is the only things you
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 3: ever hear about, unless you're like lucky enough to like
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 3: own Faye, right, which is huge.
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 2: It's one of the biggest h that's a crazy success story.
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 3: Insane and it is. The people sometimes ask me like, oh,
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 3: Shirley Faye is like in America. It's like that's not
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 3: what Greek people eat. I'm like, no, it is like.
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 2: You can find that in grocery stores in Greece.
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like the number one.
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, like that's what I grew up eating.
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 2: Wow, that's amazing. Yeah, how long did you live in Greece.
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 3: I lived in Greece for most of my early childhood.
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 3: Then we moved here for like six or seven years
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 3: and then we moved back when I was thirteen, so okay,
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 3: I went to high school there, so it's sort of
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 3: like it bookended my experience in America. But then because
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 3: I lived as formative years here, I feel pretty American
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 3: and I don't have an accent.
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 2: What part of the US did you live in?
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 3: New Jersey?
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 4: Oh?
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 2: Okay, fantastic, Yeah.
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 3: Oh definitely, yeah, Yeah, it was so amazing.
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 2: I have no problem with New Jersey.
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 3: It's just it to me. It's so like I lived
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 3: in like suburban New Jersey almost like almost imagine Connecticut.
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 3: Not as fancy obviously, but like that was the level
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 3: of suburbia just right of like adjacency to country clubs,
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 3: you know, sort of a commuter town for New York City,
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 3: Like my dad worked in Manhattan.
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 2: Right, what city did you live in?
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 3: I lived in? Uh, it was in Morris County.
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 3: We lived in New Providence and then Chatham. Okay, if
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 3: that means anything to.
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 2: Your li, Like, my boyfriend's from Lyndhurst. You know where
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 2: that is. It's near Giant Stadium Okay, okay, cool, cool, cool,
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 2: So that's my one.
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah, little I do feel like connection to people from
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 3: New Jersey okay, and like there's something about New Jersey
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 3: that is so perfectly like normal to me. I'm like, okay, well,
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 3: you're from the East coast, but you don't have the
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 3: like specific wasping New England nests right right. But then
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 3: you're also not like New York City kid that like,
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 3: yeah there's some money. He was literally doing coke at
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 3: four years old. It's just sort of and it's like
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 3: a obviously it's like a blue state, but it's not
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 3: like so you're not, you know, in San Francisco or
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 3: something crazy.
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 2: It's a little I mean, as far as I guess
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 2: I'm trying to as far as La goes, it would
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 2: be like growing up in I would say maybe Arcadia
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 2: or al Here. Sure close enough, but like far enough
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 2: away from.
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 3: Honestly, even people who grew up in the Valley I
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 3: find are so normal when I meet because they're like
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 3: just far enough away. I guess I'm just thinking of
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 3: Kirsten Dunce.
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 2: I don't know, she does seem like a good egg. Yeah,
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 2: let's say no, I've never heard a bad thing about
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 2: the first.
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like, can you imagine if what would the
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 3: rumor be? Like I do I would love gossip about
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 3: Kirsten dun Right.
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 2: I feel like it would be like she wants to
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 2: go to dinner too often.
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, or one of my favorite things about here and
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 3: done so that she endorsed Bernie Sanders and then he
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 3: immediately dropped down and no one remembers it. And I
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 3: actually one time looked through her Instagram. I think she
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 3: might have deleted her endorsement.
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 2: She embarrassed.
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 3: She was just like she was. It was so funny
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 3: because she clearly came from a good place. I think she,
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 3: you know, earnestly supported him, and she like posted a
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 3: little tile and she was like hashtag feel to burn
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 3: and then he like dropped at him.
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 2: That's a rough feeling. Anytime you support something and then
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 2: it falls apart. You're a little like, yeah, where do
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 2: we go from?
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 2: Let me ask you this. I feel like, and this
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 2: has been brought up almost exclusively by me on this
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 2: podcast multiple times, but the pronunciation of yero, Oh my god.
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 3: You know what's funny. I was just listening to your
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 3: episode with Katya and you were talking about it with Kata.
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 2: Oh okay, and what I feel like You're the first
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 2: person that comes close to being an expert on this.
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 3: It's just I mean, it is Euro. It's just like
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 3: with a Greek accident, it would be.
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 2: Ro, right, like a rolled ar. Yeah, like we just
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 2: I've tried to. Yeah, it's just I feel like I'm
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 2: shocked by how far Gyro has spread.
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 3: It's actually one of those things that is like a
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 3: never ending conversation. Somehow I'm trying to think of another.
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 3: It's like how people pretend they hate the word moist
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 3: or something like. I had been hearing about the pronunciation
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 3: of Euro for legitimately my entire adult life, and I'm like,
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 3: don't you guys, Like, didn't you guys are some much
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 3: Just learn what it was, how it was pronounced and
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 3: move on with your life like you did. Like it's
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 3: it's very confusing to me.
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 2: And people really plant their flag in Gyro.
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 3: Which is like, obviously that is not how a Greek
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 3: word would be pronounced in what way that said, It's
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 3: like I don't know we for example, why is the
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 3: university called Notre Dame. That is psychotic That one has
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 3: gone too far, but everyone just knows, like you would
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 3: you say Notre Dame if you're talking about the church
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 3: and Notre Dame. If you're talking about the university.
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 2: Well Notre Dame, Notre Dame, and a Notre Dame. I
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 2: feel like there's a very like the French take it
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 2: even further. Yeah, so, but I feel like Notre Dame
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 2: it was somebody who had a an axe to grind
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 2: pronunciation totally.
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 3: So I so I you know, when we lived in
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 3: New Jersey because my parents were four, and there were
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 3: like little things that I like didn't understand and like,
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 3: you know, sort of would step in it sometimes because
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 3: we didn't speak English at home. And one of them
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 3: actually was I had heard someone pronounce it Notre Dame,
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 3: and I was like, okay, so in America that's how
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 3: they say those words. And then I was separately talking
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 3: about the church and I was like so yeah. And
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 3: then like we were in Paris and we went to
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 3: Notre Dame and then suddenly I sound like a fucking
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 3: loser that doesn't know how to pronounce it, because I
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 3: thought that that's how you say it in America.
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 2: You shouldn't have to hold both things in your brain.
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 3: It's and I actually I think I even like learned
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 3: that difference, like in my late twenties.
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 2: Like well there's a very like there's a thing about
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 2: like if you were at one of the football games
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 2: and you said I'm going to notere Dominame, people will
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 2: be like, oh, look at mister book's over here. It's like, well,
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 2: fuck off, who cares.
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 3: I'm from Europe.
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 2: But Yero, for whatever reason, haunts me to this stay totally.
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 3: No, it is. It is. I mean, and it's like, yeah,
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 3: you could go up and say like you know, but
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 3: it would be why would you do that?
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 2: Like you would sound like nobody rolls. There are in
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 2: the United States, I mean in English, in English, yes,
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 2: in American English. Uh, well, I'm glad that we have
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 2: kind of the final word. Yes, it's important.
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 3: You know what's interesting to me, People talk about euro
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 3: all the time. People don't care about how you pronounced azeki,
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 3: which to me is a much more difficult like t
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 3: z together right, I guess it is more fanatic. It's
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 3: like you literally pronounced it's a zeke, but like.
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 2: Wait, so what is the actual Greek pronunciation that's zeke?
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 2: That yeah, and I would say like tetsik.
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 3: Sure, but well, people have a difficult time. So my
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 3: real last name starts with the T S, and I
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 3: change it to a CE because no one can. People
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 3: have a hard time with T S and t Z,
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 3: which appear in Greek a lot, right, and so.
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 2: How would you say your name in Greek with a
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 2: Greek X see.
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 3: Like it would just be like my real last name
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 3: is Severiotis And then I shortened it to wow. It
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 3: was like the video at this and I was like,
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 3: all right, vets severs, Oh, okay, okay, but like there's
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 3: a very successful tennis player named seat Bus. It's like
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 3: t s I t s I p as and it's like,
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 3: forget about it, Like you think John McEnroe is going
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 3: to pronounce it.
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 2: It's no way, not in the heat of the moment. Yeah,
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 2: oh well whatever, Yeah totally, I just needed an official pronunciation. Yeah,
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 2: I think it's time to play a game. Okay, unless
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 2: we have anything left to say about Adobe houses, I'm
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 2: sort of like.
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 3: It's beautiful pictures worth a thousand words.
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 2: And a clay sculpture's worth even more. Thank you, Vegan Paradise.
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 3: Thank you Vegan Paradise. Great hot dogs?
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 2: Did you have a hot dog?
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 3: Not this time around?
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 4: It?
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 3: Wait? Can you actually remind me what their actual name is?
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 3: It's best friends or something beesties, I do you actually
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 3: want to shout them out? Because I've say that this
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 3: airbnb before and it's one of the places that's like
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 3: walking distance from it. And I do really like their
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 3: hot dogs and they have a great selection of like
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 3: fun snacks and treats and stuff that's good to know.
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 3: And it really is run by like an authentic kind
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 3: of like funky vegan guy.
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 2: Okay, I like that, and kind of Greek colors and
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 2: a great color is interesting. It all comes back to you.
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 2: We're gonna play a game called Gift You a Curse.
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 2: I need a number between one and ten from you.
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 3: Seven. Okay.
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 2: I have to do some light calculating to get our
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 2: game pieces right now. You can promote, recommend, do whatever
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 2: you want.
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 3: Wow, Okay. I want to say I am the only
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 3: person that has watched the film Amelia Perez twice, and
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 3: it was kind of by chance. So the first time
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 3: I watched it, I was in a hotel room in
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 3: Toronto and it had just come out and I felt
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 3: like I should I should be part of the conversation,
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 3: and so I had sort of taken an edible by
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 3: myself and watched it on my own and I was
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 3: very taken aback by it. I did not particularly think
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 3: it was a good film, but I was kind of
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 3: glad that I saw it. And then the second time
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 3: I saw it, I was it was my husband's birthday
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 3: and we had a big lunch and then we're sort
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 3: of like, you know, just like wanted to sit on
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 3: a chair, go to a movie, whatever, and the only
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 3: thing playing was Amelia Press. I was like, sure, I'll
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 3: see it a second time. And now it's kind of
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 3: all I can talk about. And I again would not
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 3: necessarily endorse the film. I don't think it's a great movie,
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 3: but I really wanted to be a larger part of
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 3: like I want lines from it to be part of
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 3: the conversation more so I can reference them. And it's
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 3: it's like I keep cornering people and talking about it,
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 3: and everyone keeps being like, oh, yeah, like she you know,
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 3: her tweets and like, isn't that terrible. I'm like, yeah, no,
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 3: I totally agree, Like I definitely don't support anything she
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 3: has said, but like what about in the movie where
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 3: she says bingal, Like why are we not talking about that?
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 3: Because that's iconic. And also the first time I saw it.
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 3: I thought Zoe Saldania was great, and I still do.
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 3: The second time I saw it, I think I was
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 3: prime because it was that the scandal to really pay
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 3: attention to Carlosovia has gone performance And I'm sorry, like
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 3: I definitely disagree with all her political views, but she's
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 3: actually really phenomenal in the film.
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 2: I mean, I have not seen it yet, and I
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 2: would like for you to kind of just even briefly
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 2: explain why, because it seems so universally hated. Yes, why
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 2: anyone has voted for this? So is it just money
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 2: that's driving this.
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 3: I'm sure Netflix has a big you know, has a
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 3: lot to do with that. However, it already won Best
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 3: Actress that Can before it was even boppy.
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 2: Oh okay, okay.
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 3: So this is exactly the kind of a conversation I
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 3: want to have with my friends and peers because I
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 3: think it's fascinating that it's gotten this big response. Because
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 3: you would think, oh, it's like old liberal boomers who
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 3: want like a heartwarming tale of self actualization. But that's
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 3: not what it is. She's a villain. It is about
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 3: this woman who is a like a drug lord who
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 3: like murders.
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 2: Oh wow, I didn't know that.
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 3: And then she like, I mean, I don't want to
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 3: ruin it. But she attempts to get her life in order,
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 3: but her past comes back to haunt her, let's say,
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 3: and she is a morally complicated character, Like she's not
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 3: you know this like inspirational symbol of you know, an
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 3: empowered woman or something like. And so I actually think
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 3: in its own way, it's like sort of desp matter
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 3: of fact that it's not a good movie. I'm sort
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 3: of like, oh, how funny and almost good that it
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 3: has gotten people's attention.
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 2: Right, and the music is bad? Is any of it memorable?
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 2: Because I have a defined have.
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 3: You seen the clip of Penis to Vagina?
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 2: I've seen a clip, and I'm not sure if this
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 2: is it or not. I can't I remember someone sending
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 2: a thing to me. I was like, what am I
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 2: looking at or hearing?
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 3: Zoe Saldana is basically hired. I realized I was supposed
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 3: to promote my own work. That whatever, maybe when this
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 3: comes out, this will bempletely irrelevant. So I apologize for
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 3: talking about a minute press. Zoe's Aldania is hired to
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 3: figure out a way for this woman to uh transition, okay,
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 3: And as part of that, she goes to a clinic
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 3: that specializes in gender affirming surgery, and she is in
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 3: this number, she is in conversation with a doctor and
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 3: they are talking about it in the most like ridiculous
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 3: cartoonish way. So she goes the doctor's like men to
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 3: woman or woman to man, and then Zoe's Holdania' is
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 3: like man to woman, and then the doctor goes panis
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 3: to have vagin.
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 2: Like rocky horror.
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 3: Literally. But here's what explains Sorry, I'm gonna stop talking
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 3: in one second. What explains it is that it was
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 3: actually initially an opera that they turned into a musical.
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 4: Oh.
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 3: And the thing with opera is that, like the songs
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 3: are not like musical numbers, like they're not they wouldn't translate, like,
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 3: they're not pop songs.
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 2: They're people just singing words yes, without any like songs
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 2: exactly yes.
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 3: And it always sort of sounds off like when you
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 3: see an opera, you're like, wait, so this is what
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 3: opera is. This is what I've been hearing about all these.
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 2: Years, just people almost yelling yeah.
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 3: So I think that does explain. Again, I'm not endorsing
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 3: anything about this film, but I do need everyone to
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 3: see it so a week and finally have a conversation
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 3: about it. That isn't like you know, that's true. In fact,
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 3: I'm tired of the y. So anyway, that's what's going
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 3: on with me. Listen to Stradio Lab.
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 2: Listen to Radio That's Georgie's podcast.
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm recording a special on April first at the
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 3: Slipper Room.
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 2: Go see George recording a special.
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 3: Yes, you know, what do you think about me recording
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 3: special on April Fool's Day. I'm being very joker revibed.
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 2: It's a tough thing to get.
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 3: It's not my intention.
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 2: I think that's going to work against you in a lot.
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 2: I definitely agree, unless you you can't embrace it, because
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 2: then people start to wonder. You can't ignore. There's no
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 2: winning with this.
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 3: No, it's bad. It's bad.
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 2: April Fools is We've got to move on from that. Holidays.
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 2: I know it's no one has a good time. It
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 2: ruins everything. It's just a waste of every twenty four
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 2: hours of a day. The news cycle becomes very difficult
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 2: to follow. You can't trust anything.
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but you have to trust me when I say
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 3: that is when the recording gets happened.
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 2: Actually, everyone goes see George.
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 3: Okay, and that's it.
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 2: Okay, Yes, this is how we play gift a curse.
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 2: I'm going to name three things. You'll tell me if
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 2: they're a gift or a curse and why, and I'll
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 2: tell if you're right or wrong, because there are correct answers.
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 3: Gift or curse.
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 2: Okay, okay. Number one, This is from a listener who
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 2: we have no idea who it was. This must have
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 2: come from Instagram Live, so deal with it. Gift or
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 2: a curse. When someone sneezes multiple times in a row.
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 2: Curse why?
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 3: I think, just on a literal level, it feels like
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 3: they're being possessed, Like it's someone is like acting normally
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 3: and suddenly they're just like making weird noises and movements
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 3: and you know, and it feels like a devil is
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 3: like either entering or exiting. I just can't imagine that
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 3: being a gift. Wrong.
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 2: Oh, okay, it's a gift. Oh This is why, because
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 2: I feel like it really separates people from the people
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 2: who have a problem with the sneeze and people who
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 2: are seeking attention. I think one sneeze is a natural
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 2: thing to do. Two sneezes is a natural thing to do.
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 2: But that's where we stop. Once you go past two.
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 2: You're an attention seeker. You're looking for the spotlight, and
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 2: I know exactly who you are. You're just trying to
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 2: make noise and get I'm not going to say bless
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 2: you more than twice. I usually will say once and
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 2: then do a polite laugh at two. Three. Now I'm
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 2: getting annoyed.
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 3: So then what's the gift about it?
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 2: Because I know if somebody is doing three, this person
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 2: is I didn't get enough attention from their parents' side.
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 3: It's a gift for you because you can judge them
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 3: more accurately.
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 2: Yes, I can absolutely separate people from they had some
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 2: dust in their nose and oh they don't need to
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 2: do standing them. Okay, so wrong Number two. This is
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 2: from a listener named Megan. Gift your a curse, saying
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 2: tld R in a verbal conversation.
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 3: Oh, I think curse and I really don't like.
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 2: It.
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 3: Really is one of my big pet peeves when Internet
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 3: language makes its way to the real world. And like
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 3: I would and I see this with myself, like because
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 3: I can't resist doing it, and I really think that
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 3: it should be punished by the government. Like we show
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 3: all we wearing little dog collars, and if you say
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 3: honestly any cliche, you should be hurt a little bit. Obviously,
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 3: cliches are part of life. But like I think, just
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 3: a little punishment, just like when you eat something really unhealthy,
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 3: like you get you know, you get diarrhea or something, so.
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 2: You learn yeah, so your body becomes aware of yes.
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 3: So that's how I feel. Correct, Oh, okay, curse.
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 2: I mean, it was difficult for me to even say it,
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 2: to present this information to you. That was a very
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 2: I don't think I've ever actually heard the settle out.
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 2: I mean I've heard other I turn out slang and
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 2: this sort of thing settle out, and it's never not
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 2: been unbelievably grating, and I've lost respect for whoever said it.
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 2: I can't imagine any scenario where someone says those four
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 2: letters in my face. For so many I just it
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 2: is the most excruciating behavior and it's something we're going
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 2: to just have to deal with for the rest of
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 2: our lives.
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, here's a question for you. What And I'm
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 3: trying to think of my own answer to this. What
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 3: currently would you say, is like the number one thing
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 3: you hate hearing someone say, like in terms of cliches
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 3: like that.
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 2: Oh that's a very good question.
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 3: Oh I know, okay, I know what mine is.
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 2: M let me think for a moment here. Did you
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 2: tell me that maybe it'll spark some.
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 3: I think mine currently and this can change? Is we
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 3: love to see it?
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 2: Oh?
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 3: I really? It really bothers me. And what is it
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 3: that I don't like about it? Like I as a
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 3: tick I I often will say it is what it is,
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 3: which I don't love about myself, but it just I
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 3: can't unlearn it. And one time, like a close friend
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 3: of mine was like one of my biggest pet peeve
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 3: is when people say it is what it is? And
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 3: I was like, the fuck? And so I get it
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 3: if it's something like I think sometimes you just like
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 3: these things go inside of you and you can't escape them. Yes,
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 3: but there's just something that is so meaningless about we
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 3: love to see it and and weirdly like like not
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 3: quite sarcastic, but almost like cruel, and like it's like
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 3: you just I just said something and then someone's like, oh,
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 3: we love to see it. Oh, it's like are you
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 3: making fun of me?
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 2: Right, what does that mean?
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 2: I think part of the problem with that particular phrase,
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 2: and I think there was just like a whole category
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 2: of those is they came from nowhere, whoever saying them.
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 2: It has nothing to do with their actual personality or
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 2: how they speak. It's like they read it on something
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 2: or heard it on a podcast from someone who read
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 2: it on something, and it's Yeah, I feel it does
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 2: feel like a tick. It's just like a thing that
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 2: they can't you can't control. And it's not even slang.
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 2: I don't even know what category of useless language that is.
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 3: But like internet language.
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 2: I hate it so much, But it's the sort of
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 2: I don't know where you stand on LOL, Like it
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 2: was saying, oh, were you ever did you ever use it? Yeah?
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 2: Of course, Okay, I've never used You've never used LOL
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 2: maybe once in my entire life. I remember very early
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 2: on being like, that looks stupid. I've totally yeah, And
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 2: I'm what I'm really shocked by is when people who
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 2: are like decades older than me will use an LOL,
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 2: and I'm like, what's happened to society? But I just
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 2: I could never naturally type LOL.
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 3: Do you do lmao.
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 2: Maybe I've probably done one of those, both of those
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 2: ironically at some point. Yeah, but I just like I
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 2: never go to those.
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 3: I go to ha ha, which is the more respectful option,
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 3: of course, And of course lol comes with the baggage
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 3: of like sometimes you're basically like undermining your own It's like,
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 3: I'm almost there, lol, Like you're just like undermining a
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 3: statement you like have some self respect, right.
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 2: Right, Okay, you've gotten one right so far. And this
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 2: is the final one. This is from a listener named
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 2: Martin Gift or a curse Rotten Tomatoes.
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 3: This is interesting. Obviously the obvious answer is curse. You know,
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 3: it's like you you know, you can't rank or rate art.
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 3: The only way that I think it could be a
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 3: gift is Sam Taggert and I, my my beloved co host,
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 3: we have this thing where we love sixty percent Rotten
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 3: Tomatoes movies.
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 2: I love to hear this, so we keep going.
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 3: So this is like it's like a classic example is
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 3: Darren Aronofski's mother or Vox Lucks is a great example.
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 3: No one fact check how what their actual scores are,
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 3: and so in a weird way because of how flawed
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 3: and how much of a curse rotten Tomatoes is. There
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 3: is this weird paradox, you know, counterintuitive corollaria where actually
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 3: it does point you to interesting movies because those movies
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 3: have is fifty to sixty percent un rotten tomatoes. Right, So, okay,
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 3: I should give you a final answer. I will say,
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 3: to be provocative gift.
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 2: I mean, you are wrong. It is. It is a curse.
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 2: But everything you're saying right now is essentially exactly how
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 2: I think I when someone tells me it got one
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 2: hundred percent on rotten tomatoes, there is no metric that
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 2: is more meaningless. That means if it's something got a
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 2: ninety to one hundred percent, that means it's boring almost
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 2: ninety eight percent of the time. It means it's just
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 2: a nothing thing that everybody gave a bee. Yes, and
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 2: the secret is between fifty and I would say upper seventy. Sure,
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 2: Sure that's a that's a movie that will be interesting
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 2: and probably good. Yeah, or it's not going to be
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 2: a completely dull time. But I cannot I can't see
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 2: another thing on the internet that says you have to
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 2: see this one hundred percent rotten tomatoes.
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 3: I agree, we're on the same page, but I accept
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 3: that I was wrong in my We're wrong.
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and you've only got one out of three.
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 3: All right, well so not even the fifty percent mark.
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you're not. Everyone can trust this rotten to me? Yes,
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 2: damn all right, no one's going to see you poorly played.
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry. This is the final. Oh honalis do you
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 2: have yours? Onalise has a gift, he a curse that
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 2: they're going to present to us, and we both have
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 2: to answer, and they have their answer. Okay, this is
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 2: the fairest we can get on this podcast.
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 4: So today obviously we just passed me not today today,
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 4: but this episode is coming out right after Saint Patrick's Day,
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 4: so it's only appropriate that I say gift or curse
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 4: Irish goodbyes.
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 3: Oh oh okay, I'm just gonna go literal with this one,
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 3: rather than try to be you know, controversial. I think gift.
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 3: I think just lee like leave them wanting more, leave
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 3: when you're ready. I don't the like performance of suddenly
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 3: having to give seventeen hugs in a row. It doesn't
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 3: do anything for anyone. I will say. I wish it
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 3: was socially acceptable to just like go give one hug
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 3: to one person that you were like especially happy to
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 3: see it. But you can't do that.
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 2: But I'll say gift and I'm going to say curse
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 2: because I love them. So it's the only option I
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 2: ever want to use. And I know that some people
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 2: aren't okay with you just vanishing, and some people will
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 2: comment and they're usually very irritating. But I for me,
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 2: it's become almost a disease in my life where I
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 2: never say goodbye to anybody at the party. I'm just
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 2: taking off, And it's it's almost given me too much
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 2: permission to leave a party, I see. But I do
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 2: love it so much. On alease, it's a gift.
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 4: They're a gift. I mean at the end of the day,
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 4: Oh my god, I said the word I said. But
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 4: at the end of the day, I can't say that.
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 2: Ok, at the end of the day, at the end
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 2: of the shohow.
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 4: That's another one of those buzz phreezes.
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 2: Classic. It is a classic.
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 3: You're getting buzzed. Yeah, your collor is going off exactly.
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 4: So the way that I see it is that if
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 4: you don't say goodbye, if you do an Irish goodbye
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 4: at a party, the real friends of yours will understand.
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 4: They will forgive you, and the ones who wouldn't are
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 4: the exact kind of person that it's appropriate to give
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 4: an Irish goodbye too. So your your reasoning is absolutely
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 4: justified for doing it in the first place.
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 2: All right, Yeah, I totally understand that an at least
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 2: you are wrong. George, you are wrong, I'm correct, But
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 2: it seems like we all appreciate the Irish goodbye in
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 2: some way, and that's what is important.
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I would even say your answer was in favor
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 3: of it, and then.
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 2: We're all in favor of it. Okay, where are we
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 2: in the We have to answer a listener question, and
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 2: I just want to say to the listener, please start
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 2: writing in about with questions other than things about what
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 2: to give people. I'm so tired of giving gift advice.
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 2: Ask me and the guest anything. I am ready to
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 2: answer other questions. That said, let's answer a question I said,
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 2: no gifts at gmail dot com. Okay, this says, let's
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 2: see bah deer Bridger and guest. How do I deal
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 2: with a mother in law who is a Debbie Downer.
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 2: She knows how to turn any topic into a painful one.
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 2: She i can't invite her to our little celebrations. Is
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 2: there a way I can steer her away from saying
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 2: something that will shit all over our get togethers? Any
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 2: suggestions would be helpful. Thank you so much, Danny. So, basically,
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 2: Downie has this mother in law who sucks, who's causing
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 2: trouble at all of the parties and just making everybody
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 2: feel bad all the time. Is there something that she
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 2: can do to keep her from ruining every event that
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 2: she's ever been invited to.
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 3: No, you think someone's gonna change, people don't change fucking real.
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 3: And also, I'll tell you what else, There is no
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 3: elegant way to be shitting on your mother. By the way,
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 3: I don't say this from experience because I love my
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 3: mother in law, but my mom, my mom, and my
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 3: grandmother on my father's side, I just have different personalities.
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 3: They are perfectly cordial. But like anytime you get into
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 3: the space of basically doing mother in law humor, even
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 3: when you think you're coming out on top, you are
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 3: the like. You seem like the mean one, the problem
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 3: because you're mad at an older woman who has sacrificed
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 3: so much and in fact, the reason you're married Yes
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 3: to your husband, Greg, and I it's just one of
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 3: those things that like, if you don't like your mother
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 3: in law, you gotta suck it up, right right.
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 2: I mean, I will say, the way I deal with
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 2: somebody who is just a NonStop negative force, well, I
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 2: feel like I fall into that category a lot of
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 2: the time. But when I have somebody who will not stop,
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 2: what I do is I lean into whatever they're complaining
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 2: about and I go too far to the point that
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 2: they have to be like ooh that's good, Oh this
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 2: seems bad. Yeah, And then I mean I makes me
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 2: seem insane or horrible, but at least we're like hopefully
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 2: of course, correcting this person's behavior because they're like, oh,
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 2: now I'm questioning my own opinions and what I'm doing
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 2: because Bridger's going so far and so hard with this
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 2: negative opinion.
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 3: I mean, unless they call your bluff and they really
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 3: just like get you lower and lower, and then you
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 3: both are just like you're saying, yeah, I know, but
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 3: it is obviously I get it. And and to your point,
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 3: I've also been that person and I had to really like,
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 3: I mean, it's still within me, but I had to
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 3: unlearn or I had to learn that, Like, it's not
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 3: inherently interesting to hate everything, right, which I used to
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 3: genuinely think it was.
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 2: Well, but I'm also going to say, there's a category
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 2: of person that will say you just hate everything. You'll
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 2: say something critical about something. I bet you've dealt with
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 2: somebody like this where they say, well, you just like
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 2: to hate everything. That category, that sort of person is
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 2: very much you have too much time on your hands?
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 2: How do you think of these things?
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 3: That kind of thing, I mean talk about a cliche
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 3: that thankfully is on its way out, is like, let
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 3: people enjoy things.
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 2: Oh, because that was a poisonous period of time. That
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 2: is a bad, bad philosophy.
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 3: What if I enjoy constructive critique?
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 2: Yes, you can't give everything a free pass. Some things
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 2: are bad.
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah, And actually it's I think the thing is most
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 3: people that that that let people enjoy things thing is
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 3: yelled at don't deserve it. Like it's like most people
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 3: are perfect like you and I, and we're just like
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 3: very critical. But then when we do like something, we
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 3: have a thoughtful we will express that and will be
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 3: thoughtful about it, and and it'll be like there's evidence, yes,
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 3: but then it is true just inevitably that there are
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 3: some people who do hate everything right, but they make
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 3: it worse for the rest of us that are just
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 3: like really kind of smart and critical right, who.
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 2: Have standards exactly Yeah, but just once when I criticize something,
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 2: I'd like someone to say, you have standards, yes, rather
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 2: than you hate everything.
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 3: I know.
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 2: I need more compliments, Danny, do whatever you want with
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 2: the mother in law. Don't write back. In beautiful we
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 2: answered the question. I have this gorgeous little thing that
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 2: will be in my kitchen very soon, and I've had
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 2: such a lovely time with you.
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 3: To me too, this has been so lovely.
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 2: Thank you for taking part of your trip out to
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 2: come here in the rain. Listener, the podcast is over.
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 2: I need you to just figure out something to do
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 2: with your day. I have no suggestions whatsoever. I love you, goodbye.
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 2: I said No Gifts is an exactly right production. Our
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 2: senior producer is on Alise Nelson, and our episodes are
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 2: beautifully mixed by Ben Tolliday. The theme song is by
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 2: miracle worker Amy Mann, and we couldn't do it without
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 2: our booker, Patrick Cottner. You must follow the show on
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 2: Instagram at I said No Gifts that's where you're going
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 2: to see pictures of all these wonderful gifts I'm getting.
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 2: And don't you want to see the gifts?
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 1: But I invited you here, thought I made myself perfectly clear.
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 1: When you're a guess to my home, you gotta come
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 1: to me empty. And I said, no guests, your own
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 1: presences presents enough. I already had too much stuff, So
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 1: how do you
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 2: Dare to surbey me?