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INTERVIEW: Michael Jai White Talks New Film ‘Special Op: Rent-A-Cop’, Controlling Your Ego, Tyler Perry, Winning The Bruce Lee Award · The Breakfast Club

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  Speaker 1: Every day a week.
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  Speaker 2: Pack your ass up the breakfast club.
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  Speaker 3: You don't finished for y'all done morning.
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  Speaker 4: Everybody is the j n Vy Jess hilarious, Charlamagne to God,
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  Speaker 4: we are the breakfast Club law La Roses here as well.
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  Speaker 4: We got a special guest in the building. His new
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  Speaker 4: movie special Op Runner Cop is out right now, Michael Jock,
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  Speaker 4: Michael J.
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  Speaker 3: White.
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  Speaker 1: Is it just you got it right?
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  Speaker 3: Okay?
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  Speaker 5: Right?
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  Speaker 3: Good morning?
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  Speaker 1: How you feeling, brother?
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  Speaker 3: I feel real good. I feel real good being back here.
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  Speaker 3: I have problems now because I'm kind of loving being
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  Speaker 3: back really, Yes, man, I'm from here richinally and so
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  Speaker 3: Walkney Streets. Man, it's a beautiful weather man. It's got
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  Speaker 3: me like. But that's today, yes to mar Well yesterday too,
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  Speaker 3: it was it was all man, I'm enjoying myself. What
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  Speaker 3: do you miss about it? Just so much? Man. The
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  Speaker 3: energy I'm hooking up with my peoples from here that
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  Speaker 3: I ain't seen in a long time. The fact that,
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  Speaker 3: you know, trap C Streets trying to come up doing
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  Speaker 3: theater and all that kind of stuff. And I almost
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  Speaker 3: feel like I sold out when I'm in La and
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  Speaker 3: now I'm doing that, you know, doing the other type
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  Speaker 3: of thing. But man, I got my friends doing Broadway
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  Speaker 3: and all that kind of stuff, and I started with
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  Speaker 3: theater out here, right, So it made me kind of
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  Speaker 3: miss it, so you know, yeah, so you know I'm
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  Speaker 3: feeling that way, but.
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  Speaker 4: I like to go back for people that don't know.
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  Speaker 4: How did you get into theater into acting? What push
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  Speaker 4: you towards that?
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  Speaker 3: Well? I was I was always kind of doing this
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  Speaker 3: as a kid, right. I was doing like plays and
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  Speaker 3: I was doing like my own films, like when I
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  Speaker 3: was ten years old, I was cutting together movies and stuff,
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  Speaker 3: but wasn't taking it serious. Like I go to college,
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  Speaker 3: come out, I'm a school teacher, but I'm still dealing
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  Speaker 3: with like I'm coming out here auditioning to do different
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  Speaker 3: things when I'm off you know, from teaching school. And
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  Speaker 3: so it got in my system, like I really enjoy this,
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  Speaker 3: And so I landed a really big like theatrical like
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  Speaker 3: I was in to Kill a Mockingbird, the first added
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  Speaker 3: tation to theater, you know, off Broadway, and I was
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  Speaker 3: with like like Tony Award winners all that kind of stuff,
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  Speaker 3: and so that was my trajectory. I was an actor, right,
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  Speaker 3: and I was doing theater and I was doing all
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  Speaker 3: that kind of stuff and landing stuff before going out
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  Speaker 3: to l A. But you know, in these streets, and
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  Speaker 3: you know, it's the energy and the fact that I
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  Speaker 3: was in it for the art of it, right and then,
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  Speaker 3: and so it's kind of like reliving that, right. So,
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  Speaker 3: but yeah, I started out here and uh, you know
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  Speaker 3: then you know, you know, with the whole LA thing
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  Speaker 3: and you know, changing up doing all the kind of
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  Speaker 3: popcorn movies and stuff like that. I always wanted to
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  Speaker 3: come back to roots and do more theater and do
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  Speaker 3: those kinds of things. But you know, it's it's it's
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  Speaker 3: I kind of feeling nostalgic.
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  Speaker 1: And when did the Marshall?
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  Speaker 2: I was gonna say, the data coming from martial marshals.
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  Speaker 3: It's funny how people equate the two. I've been doing
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  Speaker 3: martial arts my whole life. It's kind of like, I
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  Speaker 3: don't know, like if you think about Gregory Hines was
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  Speaker 3: tap dancing, but they don't tap dance in every movie.
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  Speaker 3: But when I first came to LA, I didn't want
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  Speaker 3: to do anything with martial arts. I want to be
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  Speaker 3: established as an actor because that's what I was. But
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  Speaker 3: I happened to do martial arts, right So when I
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  Speaker 3: started doing movies with martial arts in it, what was
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  Speaker 3: cool is that a lot of people, executives, they thought, oh,
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  Speaker 3: he's being doubled whatever. They didn't realize I was efficient
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  Speaker 3: in that that you could really do it right. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: So but that was that was by design because I
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  Speaker 3: didn't want to first start doing martial arts movies and
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  Speaker 3: be on martial arts Island and everybody think that you
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  Speaker 3: can't you can't act because because yeah, because most of
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  Speaker 3: people who do martial arts movies, that's all they do.
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  Speaker 3: And I knew, just like with Wesley who's done a
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  Speaker 3: whole lot of work, once he got known for something
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  Speaker 3: dealing with martial arts, he got branded like that, right,
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  Speaker 3: even though he's a fabulous actor, people tend to forget that,
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  Speaker 3: and a lot of times with people with me, they
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  Speaker 3: forget that too to some degree. But no, I'm an actor,
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  Speaker 3: and even when I do the stuff with martial arts,
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  Speaker 3: it might you know, it might be by way of
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  Speaker 3: the action. I may be doing martial arts in it.
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  Speaker 3: But of course, people like to put you on a
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  Speaker 3: certain shelf. Until you break off of that shelf, you've
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  Speaker 3: mathter martial arts at a high level. It's like a
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  Speaker 3: seven degree black belt, I think, well, I got I
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  Speaker 3: got eight black belts right in different varying degrees. But
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  Speaker 3: like that's just a mainstay of my life, you know.
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  Speaker 3: But I apply martial arts to everything in my life,
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  Speaker 3: you know, you know, anything, being a better father, being there.
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  Speaker 3: It's about overcoming obstacles. That's what martial arts about, even
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  Speaker 3: though it's kind of like people look at the fighting
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  Speaker 3: aspects of it and that kind of derails everything because
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  Speaker 3: everybody starts just thinking about because most people are insecure,
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  Speaker 3: and they think about the fighting and you know, whooping
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  Speaker 3: somebody's ass. That's only a very small part of what
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  Speaker 3: martial arts is designed for. You know, it's really designed
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  Speaker 3: for to develop a personal overall. But uh, you know so,
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  Speaker 3: but so I kind of use martial arts in every
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  Speaker 3: aspect of my life because it's about discipline.
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  Speaker 6: What did martial arts teach you about patience and ego
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  Speaker 6: that acting didn't.
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  Speaker 3: Oh my god, there's so much. It's just life taught
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  Speaker 3: me a lot about ego. I never seen anybody with
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  Speaker 3: a big ego who was happy in my life, you know,
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  Speaker 3: and then you know, even in martial arts, you got
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  Speaker 3: the ego somebody gonna humble your ass, right, there's always
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  Speaker 3: checks and balances, So I look at it like that anyway.
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  Speaker 3: Like you know, again, I don't know what's the lure
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  Speaker 3: of being agatistical because I don't. I don't see it
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  Speaker 3: amount to anything. And you know, because you're gonna have
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  Speaker 3: to like look at the world. I mean, when people
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  Speaker 3: kiss your ass and tell you your wonderful one life.
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  Speaker 3: That was a good lesson to learn in the martial
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  Speaker 3: arts because I apply it to life. And when you know,
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  Speaker 3: there's people who you know, they admire you whatever, but
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  Speaker 3: they're gonna like kind of big up you. But if
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  Speaker 3: your ego gets big, it's it's some one gonna hurt you.
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  Speaker 3: Like I said, I don't see anybody with a big
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  Speaker 3: ego who's happy. I just never seen it. But you know,
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  Speaker 3: you start to try to color the world the way
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  Speaker 3: you want to color it because because of your ego.
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  Speaker 3: So that's why I do a lot of different martial
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  Speaker 3: arts because I have a black belt in something, I
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  Speaker 3: put a white belt on something else. But that's like
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  Speaker 3: in life. Man, I might know this, but let me
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  Speaker 3: know about this.
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  Speaker 1: What got you into martial arts as a kid?
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  Speaker 3: What insecurity to be honest with you. You know, I grew
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  Speaker 3: up in Brooklyn and Bridgeport, Connecticut, where life was crazy.
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  Speaker 3: I've been on my own since I was fourteen. I've
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  Speaker 3: been through stuff that you see on movies, and I
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  Speaker 3: got to be the happiest person I know because I
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  Speaker 3: know where I came from. And so man, when I
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  Speaker 3: walk around and think about, oh, man, I remember what
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  Speaker 3: happened on this street. You know, I remember what happened
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  Speaker 3: on this street, and I go, man, man, I got
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  Speaker 3: to do nothing but give back because I'm so damn lucky.
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  Speaker 1: What got you? What got you? Like is the person
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  Speaker 1: that got you into martial arts? What did you see?
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  Speaker 4: Because you know, growing up in Brooklyn at the time
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  Speaker 4: you were up in Brooklyn, Gleasons was the thing.
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  Speaker 1: Everybody wanted the box, right, they wanted to be zab
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  Speaker 1: or they wanted to be Tyson. So it was the
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  Speaker 1: many things. But what got you into the actual?
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  Speaker 6: You know what?
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  Speaker 1: I want to try this?
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  Speaker 3: Well? Shoot man? When as a kid going I mean
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  Speaker 3: and the Bronx were looking at looking at these movies,
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  Speaker 3: seeing five Fingers of Death and seeing the power and
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  Speaker 3: being as insecure kid, I wanted to create. I wanted
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  Speaker 3: to create, Uh, like like, I wanted to protect myself.
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  Speaker 3: I wanted to have that strength because I was sensitive.
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  Speaker 3: And so what do you do if you're sensitive, you
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  Speaker 3: you anything valuable or fragile, You put in a safe
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  Speaker 3: and so in the street you I became the safe,
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  Speaker 3: putting myself in the martial arts, being like, you can't
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  Speaker 3: touch me. I gotta I gotta protect myself, just like
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  Speaker 3: when I you know, I eventually played the brother Tyson,
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  Speaker 3: who was very similar to myself. A lot of people
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  Speaker 3: think that, oh, yeah, you knocked that down. I was
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  Speaker 3: really playing a lot of me with his voice, right,
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  Speaker 3: But so I understood that and very much like him.
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  Speaker 3: At an early age, I understood like the power of
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  Speaker 3: a pugilist, if you have the power to whip somebody's ass,
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  Speaker 3: what that affords you as a young man growing up
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  Speaker 3: in Brooklyn, Right, So I learned a lot of these lessons,
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  Speaker 3: and fortunately I didn't have to develop with the whole
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  Speaker 3: world looking at me like Tyson, did you know? So yeah,
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  Speaker 3: like I said, Man, I'm very blessed. I got a
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  Speaker 3: lot of lessons and learned a lot, and as a result, Man,
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  Speaker 3: I'm one of the happiest people I know.
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  Speaker 6: You said, a couple of things I want to expound on.
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  Speaker 6: I love what you said about you could be a
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  Speaker 6: black belt in one thing, but then be a white
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  Speaker 6: belt in another.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, man, I think that's what you should be in
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  Speaker 3: life period. Man. Just like I love to learn, I
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  Speaker 3: love to learn. So you know, it's like what Bruce
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  Speaker 3: Lee said, be an empty cup. You know, you know,
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  Speaker 3: empty cup, you can be filled with whatever content there is.
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  Speaker 3: So there's a lot of things that I applied with
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  Speaker 3: certain martial large principles in life. But like anything that
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  Speaker 3: gives you a certain amount of power, just like people
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  Speaker 3: who might be religious leaders or what have you, you
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  Speaker 3: can adapt the doctrine that got you there. But if
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  Speaker 3: you are like subject to your own ego, you start
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  Speaker 3: creating your own religion, You start creating your own The
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  Speaker 3: insecure person that you was returns because when men are
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  Speaker 3: honored too much or got too much big ups, so whatever,
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  Speaker 3: we tend to revert back to that. But you know,
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  Speaker 3: we started out as insecure individuals in the first place.
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  Speaker 3: It's not like it really went away. You got to
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  Speaker 3: police that. Hopefully you go through something that teaches you
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  Speaker 3: those lessons so you don't make those mistakes.
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  Speaker 4: But at age fourteen, How did you figure it out
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  Speaker 4: on your own? Because you a kid looked like a
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  Speaker 4: grown ass man at fourteen. I have not grown an
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  Speaker 4: end since then. And I was fighting grown men. I
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  Speaker 4: was fighting in men's divisions, winning heavyweight. I was a
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  Speaker 4: heavyweight competitor.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: For he could have played basketball at fourteen.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, dude, I was. Yeah. In fact, somebody who came up, right.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know if you know, Charles Smith, but we
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  Speaker 3: were we were like they called us the Twin Towers.
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  Speaker 3: But he just kept going, of course. But yeah, so
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  Speaker 3: we grew up like in the same area, right. So
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  Speaker 3: But anyway, like I was, I looked like a man
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  Speaker 3: early on, and I was like fighting in tournaments, and
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  Speaker 3: I was on my own at fourteen, really, and because
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  Speaker 3: my mother, you know, blessed her heart, you know, dress
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  Speaker 3: in peace, the sweet church going woman from the South.
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  Speaker 4: She was.
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  Speaker 3: She is the type of person that say, those kids
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  Speaker 3: are out there shooting at marijuana. I'm like, you do
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  Speaker 3: shoot marijuana. But like so early I was on my own.
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  Speaker 3: I just was like, and she was sweet woman. She
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  Speaker 3: couldn't handle somebody like me, you know. And so I
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  Speaker 3: was out there. I was out in the streets. I yeah,
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  Speaker 3: it's like, you know, there was part of me that
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  Speaker 3: was in fear. I mean, how much does Charlotte Maye
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  Speaker 3: know about my past? Was like, you know, we don't.
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  Speaker 3: Hey man, you know when you was called bam bam,
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  Speaker 3: I know somebody, I was like, I be like but anyway,
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  Speaker 3: but just to say, man, I'm blessed. I've been through
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  Speaker 3: a whole lot, and now I get a chance to
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  Speaker 3: cheer my experiences. Put it on a screen, because there's
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  Speaker 3: not many people who came where I came from. Where
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  Speaker 3: I came from, who's in the position I am now right,
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  Speaker 3: it's rare. It's rare. But again I'm walking around blessed man.
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  Speaker 6: And I love what you said about power too write
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  Speaker 6: because you know when you have that that knowing that
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  Speaker 6: if I wanted to, I could destroy you.
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  Speaker 2: They also they say true power is knowing you can
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  Speaker 2: destroy somebody.
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  Speaker 3: But walking away true true? I mean it's kind of
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  Speaker 3: it doesn't enter my mind, it enters a lot of
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  Speaker 3: other people's minds, and I go, well, bless them. I
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  Speaker 3: wuld I could be sitting down with a with chairman
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  Speaker 3: or something, or a big time like a producer, and
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  Speaker 3: I got to hear. The first thing go out of
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  Speaker 3: his mouth was like, well, I used to wrestle in college.
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  Speaker 3: I'm like, oh, geez, so this man is thinking about
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  Speaker 3: like this, you know, quantifying himself. But I go with
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  Speaker 3: that's his that's his deal. I'm some people look at
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  Speaker 3: me like a forearm monster, right, and I'm coming with love. Right. Really,
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  Speaker 3: I'm not ever thinking about anything physical or fighting or
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  Speaker 3: it never enters my mind. I know I can handle myself.
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  Speaker 3: But it's it's what other people define as a martial
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  Speaker 3: arts and all that kind of stuff. But because there's
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  Speaker 3: a lot of a lot of misrepresentations out there, right
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  Speaker 3: that lead with their insecurity and but it's it's the
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  Speaker 3: hum peaceful, real martial artists out there that don't really
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  Speaker 3: get the attention that they should. I mean, rest in peace,
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  Speaker 3: Chuck Norris. You know people who really follow the principle,
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  Speaker 3: you know, but you got you know, some loud mouths
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  Speaker 3: of people who are very self aggronizing that that get
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  Speaker 3: a lot of attention. But yeah, but it's it's it's
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  Speaker 3: deeper than that, and it's deeper than that, and it's
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  Speaker 3: about you know, overcoming your obstacles. You just belt levels, right,
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  Speaker 3: It's white, yellow, blue, all that type of stuff. Obstacles
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  Speaker 3: is what you're going to be facing the rest of
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  Speaker 3: your life. And your biggest obstacle is you overcome yourself.
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  Speaker 3: You can you can conquer anything. So that's really what
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  Speaker 3: it is, and that's where the peace comes from. That's
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  Speaker 3: where I don't have to prove myself to anybody. But
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  Speaker 3: sometimes it makes people kind of reflect on themselves and go,
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  Speaker 3: you know, I don't you know whatever that is, I
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  Speaker 3: don't have that or what, but you know, God bless you,
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  Speaker 3: it's but I'm not. I come in peace, you know.
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  Speaker 3: But a lot of people look at it's like he
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  Speaker 3: could rip my throat out. I'm like, I'm sorry you
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  Speaker 3: thinking about that, but I'm not thinking about that, and
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  Speaker 3: I would be I'd probably be the last person in
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  Speaker 3: the crowd who would ever go there. I'm the person
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  Speaker 3: that basically like, for me to lose control, Come on, now,
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  Speaker 3: y'all gonna lose control before I will. You know, I
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  Speaker 3: know what I can do, but that's not that doesn't
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  Speaker 3: even come to mind. So I'm the person that's thinking
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  Speaker 3: about protecting everybody in the room. You're not hurting everybody
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  Speaker 3: in the room.
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  Speaker 5: Have you ever had to like when you go into
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  Speaker 5: those meetings and the guys are like, you know, talking
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  Speaker 5: about martial arts and perceiving you that way, like had
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  Speaker 5: to check it, like actually bring it into conversation like, hey,
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  Speaker 5: that's not even where I'm at or do you just
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  Speaker 5: you're so far removed you just kind.
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  Speaker 3: Of well, yeah, I try to just get the conversation
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  Speaker 3: back on track. That's that's really what it is, because Bossom,
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  Speaker 3: some people just don't understand, because like I said, there's
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  Speaker 3: a lot of people that misrepresent what this is about
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  Speaker 3: and want to understand, well, what is this power that
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  Speaker 3: they perceive? And of course, man, I'm kicking people in
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  Speaker 3: the neck in movies, right, So I forget that people
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  Speaker 3: are seeing that, right, I come like this and they're
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  Speaker 3: thinking about, man, he just did. I got too many
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  Speaker 3: stories about that because I forget what I do correct
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  Speaker 3: for living. But I don't walk around with that. I
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  Speaker 3: don't think about that, right, but other people do. I
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  Speaker 3: can't say it's a bad thing, because I mean it
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  Speaker 3: puts me where I am and makes me global, right,
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  Speaker 3: But yeah, there's an assigned image of who I am
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  Speaker 3: because of the movies. But that's you know, the people
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  Speaker 3: who really know me. They know I'm I'm a goofball.
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  Speaker 3: I have fun in life. My children they ain't scared
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  Speaker 3: of me. It's like it's a sitcom in my house.
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  Speaker 1: I was gonna ask, you know what the movie business
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  Speaker 1: has that shifted your life a little bit?
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  Speaker 4: And the reason I say that is growing up and
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  Speaker 4: we used to look towards movies as a big, major elief,
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  Speaker 4: right And I'm even looking at Mike. I don't know
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  Speaker 4: if you see Michael, but I couldn't imagine seeing Michael
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  Speaker 4: at the crib like that's something I needed to see
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  Speaker 4: on that big screen in the music. But it shifted
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  Speaker 4: so much where now you know, you do a movie,
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  Speaker 4: it's no longer a major movie release, and now it's
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  Speaker 4: on you know, Hulu or t B or Netflix or
• 16:16
  Speaker 4: you know BT or how has that shifted the way
• 16:19
  Speaker 4: that you.
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: Think about movies? If it has it all?
• 16:21
  Speaker 3: Well, I've shifted into I like streaming series a lot
• 16:25
  Speaker 3: more because they dare to be unique, and a lot
• 16:29
  Speaker 3: of times in movies they're so scared to give you
• 16:33
  Speaker 3: an experience. It's so like formulaic. You know. So you've
• 16:39
  Speaker 3: seen a lot of movies and you see the trailer,
• 16:41
  Speaker 3: you know you've seen the whole damn movie. But it's
• 16:45
  Speaker 3: I recognize that, right, And I've been blessed to be
• 16:49
  Speaker 3: able to do my own things and produce my own stuff.
• 16:53
  Speaker 3: Right now. I got three different movies out right now.
• 16:55
  Speaker 3: It's got Secret between Us that's in theaters right now.
• 16:59
  Speaker 3: I got Oscar Shaw, which is doing really well, which
• 17:04
  Speaker 3: is a you know, gritty drama. And I got this
• 17:06
  Speaker 3: goofy movie that brought me here, like The The Yeah,
• 17:11
  Speaker 3: which is a whole different thing that was like, you know,
• 17:13
  Speaker 3: intending on being like a kindergarten cop type of thing.
• 17:16
  Speaker 3: But but I'm blessed to have these three very different
• 17:19
  Speaker 3: type of movies out at the same time, which is like,
• 17:22
  Speaker 3: you know, lets me do you know, work out different
• 17:25
  Speaker 3: muscles and stuff.
• 17:26
  Speaker 7: Uh.
• 17:27
  Speaker 3: But you know, so with films now, I'm doing a
• 17:30
  Speaker 3: lot more of my own right writing, directing, like like
• 17:36
  Speaker 3: with housele Takeover and and Trouble Man, which I did
• 17:41
  Speaker 3: with Brother method Man. You know, from here, I get
• 17:46
  Speaker 3: a chance to do these things that really is in
• 17:48
  Speaker 3: my zeitgeist. And I got more movies coming out. And
• 17:51
  Speaker 3: of course you might know about the why that Get
• 17:54
  Speaker 3: married three three and that's gonna be believe me, that's
• 18:00
  Speaker 3: gonna be the best one of them all. Yeah. But yeah,
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: but like, yeah, I shift that. I really like a
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: lot of I like movies that are not so formulated
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: that you can't figure out.
• 18:12
  Speaker 6: For like day one, you were doing superhero movies, you know,
• 18:17
  Speaker 6: way before the superhero boom, right like this respawn.
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: Do you ever look at today's landscape and feel like
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: you were ahead of your time?
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: I don't look at it things like that. I don't
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: ever think of myself being ahead of nothing. Really, I
• 18:28
  Speaker 3: just trapes along do my thing. Yeah, it was it
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: was wonderful to be the first black superhero in that,
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: but I didn't expect that that that was gonna yield
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: any any particular thing. I don't have those expectations. But yeah,
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: I'm I'm I'm honored to be in that category. Some
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: of the superhero movies now, I'm just I'm not really
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: into that because I feel like they're kind of doing
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: the same thing and it's I'm not the target audience.
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: It's it's a younger audience that they're looking for. And
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: I love superhero movies.
• 19:03
  Speaker 5: A lot of the superhero movies, I feel like it's
• 19:05
  Speaker 5: all audience, Like they grow up with you.
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: They want to the costumes for Halloween.
• 19:10
  Speaker 6: But I've gotten into the DC because of the TV
• 19:13
  Speaker 6: series right right right, The Peacemaker was dope, Penguin was dope.
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, it's gonna be. I love the TV series
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: movies is you know, I just I'm just seeing the
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: formula all the time, you know. So you know, I
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: like the straight rest milk basically, you know, it's something
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: that's gonna be its own, its own thing. So yeah,
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: I have I have respect for the movies that try
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: to notch out their own kind of personality to it.
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: But yeah, but but but somebody landing in a three
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: point stance and then look up, I'll turn I'll turned
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: the channel.
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: The superhero landed.
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, I'm like, not for me, you know. Yeah,
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: So yeah, I like the I like the television stuff
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: a lot more. What is the plot of why did
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: I Get married?
• 19:56
  Speaker 4: Through?
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: You can't say it? Oh yeah, I can say a
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: little bit. I think I'm pretty su But I mean,
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: I gotta commend Tyler on this one because even on
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: the onset of the script, the subject matter is stuff
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: that I hadn't even seen in a movie before. One
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: of the things I think I could talk about is
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: the fact that as parents, right, we like to be
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: exemply reroll models to my children, and children don't know
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: all the messing up that we did beforehand. And that
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: was that was the thing that I always thought was
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: great about this because I never saw a movie that
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: dealt with that. As parents, we always do that. They
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: don't know how messed up we were, you know, And
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: so there's a there's a concept of that in this movie.
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: There's actually four concepts in this movie that could have
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: been movies by itself. So Tyler really stepped on up
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: on this. And I'm you know, I'm I try to
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: be I'm always honest. I'm like, it's a superstition to me.
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: I'm honest with Tyler Is. I consider him a friend
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: first and foremost before anything, and I never lied to nobody.
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: I feel like he really stepped up and in a
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: whole lot of ways in this movie. It's done. Yeah,
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: we shot in Lake Como and then you know, he's
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: he's doing something. I'm proud of what he's doing. And
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: y'all gonna like this. Jill, Jill Scott uh Taji is
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: now she's in it. No, she didn't. I don't know. Yeah,
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: well I think people know that she's she's not in
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: this one. But yeah, but Taraji, man, she kills it.
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: Everybody kills and there's a young audience. There's a young
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: audience in this movie, a young our children. Man, these
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: young actors are killing it. I mean, Da Vinci plays
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: my son, you know from B MF I did. There's
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: like amazing. I mean just even standing on a set
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: watching them do their thing. Man, I was like, this
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: is gonna be this is gonna be fire.
• 21:54
  Speaker 8: You said, Tyler Perry stepped up a few times, and
• 21:56
  Speaker 8: he stepped.
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: It up with the way he's shooting movies now is
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: very innovative. He shoots it really in a short period
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: of time but keeps the energy right there. Like a
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: lot of times when you're doing movies right, you will
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: you you do your scene, then you got to pick
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: up from that energy like hours later after they change
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: the camera angles with He does this innovative thing where
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: you stay in the moment and you were in it right,
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: and it preserves performances like you will not believe, and
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: so that energy and that when you're in that moment,
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: you stay in it right. So it's you know, me
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: as a director, I you know, i'n't jotted some things
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: down and I've kind of applied.
• 22:39
  Speaker 4: How was he able to do that without changing the
• 22:41
  Speaker 4: lens and without moving things around? How was he able
• 22:43
  Speaker 4: to keep you all on energy?
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: Because you, oh my.
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: God, he's got if you if you're a cameraman in
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: his in this set, you better be in shape because
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: his brother would do use seven steady camps and move
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: them joints around and keep them moving. And you don't
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: have to wait. That's the thing you have to wait
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: for your performance.
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: Are you shooting a movie quicker too?
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: Oh my god, Oh my god, what normally would take
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: two hours, you'll do in fifteen minutes. Because he knows editing.
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: You know, I started. I did a lot of editing too,
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: so I understood how he was doing this. And you know,
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: as an actor, you're like, do we have everything? But
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: I know he's got all these different things. He's really
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: stepping up. People don't realize because people get used to
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: who somebody is and they don't realize, Yo, man, this
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: cat is growing in this way that that I see
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: as a as an artist, that that dare I say, Man,
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: I'm I'm putting a lot of his stuff into my repertoire.
• 23:42
  Speaker 8: How does he I don't know what you can share,
• 23:45
  Speaker 8: but how does he?
• 23:46
  Speaker 5: Like in Janet Jackson's story though, in this new one
• 23:48
  Speaker 5: without her being there, because like I feel like we
• 23:50
  Speaker 5: were left on a cliff of like how is she
• 23:52
  Speaker 5: going to continue her life?
• 23:53
  Speaker 8: And you know she's grieving her husband and that was
• 23:56
  Speaker 8: the first.
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: Movie right well that you're talking about this second, that
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: was the last.
• 24:00
  Speaker 8: The last time we saw Janet was when she lost
• 24:02
  Speaker 8: her husband.
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: Correct, when did Yeah, it's like lost her husband, she
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: helped him lose lose him.
• 24:09
  Speaker 8: I'm just saying, I just want to know, like what's.
• 24:11
  Speaker 5: The like.
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: You know sometimes that I get mixed up myself, but
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: it's I can't I can't really speak on that. Uh,
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: it's not like she's gone gone. She's like like, well,
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: I forget how we dealt with it in the in
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: the in the script.
• 24:26
  Speaker 8: But it's you know, we'll get some closure.
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you definitely get closed. I mean it's like, hey,
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: I believe there's gonna be a white that I get
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: married before and if everybody's schedules aligned, you see her again.
• 24:40
  Speaker 5: Because when he was when Tyler Perry posted that script.
• 24:42
  Speaker 5: It kind of made everybody. That's when we got excited
• 24:45
  Speaker 5: for it. And he had originally tagged it. And when
• 24:46
  Speaker 5: I saw the photos of y'all in Italy, she wasn't
• 24:48
  Speaker 5: in a photo. So we were like, what the heck hap?
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: But here here it is, man, we everybody, everybody, why
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: focus on what's not in there? You know?
• 24:58
  Speaker 5: You know, we love our characters, Like I feel like
• 25:01
  Speaker 5: we that wasn't Jill, we'd be talking about Jill right now.
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: Oh yes, that wasn't somebody else, We'd be talking about
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: them right now. We could. But there's there's a percentage
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: of people who did make it in there in a
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: wonderful script and wonderful movie that we could be talking about.
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: To scular character in the first five minutes after what
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: she did to her husband.
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: Okay, call that we get that because.
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: She got in the character in the first five minutes.
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: I'll be like, good, that's what she gets. Arguing with
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: that man like that sometimes I like the fact that
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: he can say things that I can't.
• 25:37
  Speaker 6: You know.
• 25:37
  Speaker 4: I wanted to go back to two thousand and one
• 25:39
  Speaker 4: for a second. Exit Wounds did a movie with DMX.
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: I was working with DMX, wonderful man. We became instant friends, man,
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: Like yeah, DMX was a really solid cat man. That
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: friendship kept kept on. Uh D would coming to town,
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: we would always link up. Yeah, it was really cool.
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: It was real cool. Yeah, sad to see him go.
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: He was really really deep brother. You know, he had
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: his demons that he was with, but yeah, he was man.
• 26:10
  Speaker 7: He loved the Martial Laws too, he loved yeah. Yeah, yeah,
• 26:15
  Speaker 7: we we uh yeah, we became cousins. Basically, I didn't
• 26:20
  Speaker 7: feel about stevens Ago. I think you might know about that, Like,
• 26:25
  Speaker 7: I don't think anybody really dug him. Nobody, nobody, No,
• 26:29
  Speaker 7: I mean to be honest with you, Yeah, yeah, but
• 26:31
  Speaker 7: you know, it's it's it's a sad situation with that
• 26:34
  Speaker 7: cat man.
• 26:36
  Speaker 4: Uh for people that don't know what was the beef
• 26:39
  Speaker 4: about all the problems or why do people like him
• 26:42
  Speaker 4: as much as.
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: Why just all you criticized his own set behavior. Yeah
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: oh yeah yeah yeah everybody. I mean, he yeah, it's
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: it's unfortunate. Like so, I mean I was a fan
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: early on cat right, worked with him three different times,
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: and I don't know, like i've and you might forget
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: like I was actually low key helping him in a
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: lot of ways. I got him as his dietitian, his trainer,
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: and all these different things at one time, even without
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: him even knowing, I was designing his damn diet on Yeah,
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: but but yeah, and I tried to hook him up
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: with his doctor to help him out as well. So
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: my thing was, like, you know, I tried to hold
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: on to the images he first had, which I was
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: a fan of in the earlier works. But like we
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: talked about, man, the ego, Man, it don't it don't
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: serve nobody. I don't know why. He always kind of
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: tried to present himself like he's, you know, bad man,
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: he's a fighter or whatever. I think it's the insecurity
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: that started him out in this whole thing. But man,
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: it's like he just I think he played himself with
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: over overplaying his hand until people start going, hey, wait
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: a minute, this don't make no sense, and you know
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: it's it's a lesson for people, you know. It kind
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: of goes back to what I'm talking about. I don't
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: think anybody want to trade places with that man, you know,
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: And that's what ego gets you.
• 28:18
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I was I was told that he would uh
• 28:22
  Speaker 6: do scenes with like stuntman and hurt them when it
• 28:25
  Speaker 6: came to real martial artists, he didn't want to.
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: No, no, no, I mean, yeah, it's unfortunately that's that's
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: the truth of the matter. See, I owe my allegiance
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: to real martial artists too much to be able to
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: brand him in the same way. No, no, he had
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: a lot of issues, and you know, if you let
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: him get away with stuff, he gonna get away with it.
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: And there's people that just won't let him get away
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: with that, like you true, true, but you know that's
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: what it is. But you know, I've always try to
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: stay positive with the stuff. But yeah, but everything I
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: talked about it was the truth, like you know, doing
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: exit wounds and the director and producer trying to set
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: him up. They purposely made our fight seeing the last
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: thing in the whole movie. Let me know, yo, man,
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: if you hurt him, we can finish we can finish
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: the movie with his stunt double. But I'm like, seriously,
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: like y'all really yeah, I'm talking from the top, from
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: the top, the producers and the directors like yo, you know,
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: and I'm like, really just kick yeah. Yeah, Because people
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: wanted to see him hurt, but I was like, I
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: wasn't gonna do that. Figured, Yeah, I gotta be who
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: I am.
• 29:49
  Speaker 4: Man.
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: So my thing is I hate bullies and I wasn't
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: gonna be one. Then that's the truth of it. And
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: he knows, he knows what's up with that. And I
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: was like, he can see the fix is in. I'm like,
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: don't worry about nothing. He wouldn't touch me when we
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: were doing the thing because he felt, well, he knew,
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: you know, if he went too far, well, and I
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: beat him in the in the film, right, it's not
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: like he lays a hand on me. It's set up
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: that way, Like Joe Silver is like, we ain't gonna
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: believe he will beat you. So they designed the fight
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: to be I'm the one that knocks him down and
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: I leave. He hooks a rope ladder onto the helicopter
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: and I fall off the rope ladder and die, right,
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: not by him beating you, so in the first time
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: in his career, like somebody beats him, he has to
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: outsmart me, and you know, my demise comes later on
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: because I'm like, I don't want to kill you. I
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: got someplace to go. So that's that's one of these
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: things where Okay, he's susceptible, I'm throwing punches at him,
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: I'm doing stuff to knock him down. So it's easy
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: for me to slip up and like oops, sorry about that,
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: you know what I mean. But I'm not doing that.
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: I'm not trying to do that. That's that's chickens. That's
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: not me, even though everybody's trying to encourage that. And
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: so I knowing the rat party, right, the rat party,
• 31:18
  Speaker 3: he's thank you whatever, he's respectful, all that kind of stuff,
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: and then you go flip on me and talk about
• 31:24
  Speaker 3: me and Van Dam or whatever. But that made him
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: look silly, and so I really don't even have to
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: service that. We ran into each other in Thailand. He manned.
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: The man apologized for all of that, right, but still,
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: you know, but I'm like, that's you man. You know,
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: you made yourself look silly. And you know again, you
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: know who wants to be that cat? You know, and
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: everybody's clowning him now, and that he brought that on himself.
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: What separates someone who trains from someone who is actually.
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: Well, it's your it's your will, right, h I don't
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: care what tools you got it's what's inside. Right, So
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: it's it's well, the thing about that people don't understand
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: about martial arts. If you if you're overcoming yourself, you can.
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: It's your will that makes you dangerous. Really, it's that set,
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: that thing that says I will go through fire and
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: and stop you and take you out. There's a certain
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: will of a human being that you cannot stop me.
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: And that's the that's what is the power in that
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: that I discipline myself, I trained myself. I could push
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: myself way deeper than society can push me, you know.
• 32:49
  Speaker 3: And so that's what you're up against, You up against
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: the will. It's since it goes, it extends beyond just physicality. Right.
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: One of the arts I do is called Kilkushin, and
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: it really is that. And in kyogoshin you get to
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: your your your limit, your physical limit all the time
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: and you have to push beyond that. And so by
• 33:12
  Speaker 3: doing that, it is your will that's doing that. It's
• 33:15
  Speaker 3: not just something that's just a sport whatever. It's something
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: that you know derives things from you. Like I call
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: it like the Navy Seals of martial arts, because you
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: could do it for twenty years and not make a
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: black belt, just like jiu jitsu is today, which I
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: really respect a great deal. They're just handing out black
• 33:37
  Speaker 3: belts in that you really got to go through the
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: burning sands, and so that's the thing. Society's gotten much easier,
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: it's much softer, and so it's a great thing for somebody.
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: Sometimes you have to police yourself to really arrive at
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: where you want to be as a man, because you're
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: not tested anymore. Back in the day, there was a
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: right to passage that you had to go through. You
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: either had to go to the armed forces. You had
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: to go or just even to live life. You had
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: to get to a place where it's like I would
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: die for this, you know, for true adulthood, true manhood,
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: when you're not tested anymore. So you have the trappings
• 34:18
  Speaker 3: of adulthood, right, you have the trappings because you have
• 34:21
  Speaker 3: the age, and you say it tells you, yeah, I'm
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: a full man. I'm gonna do it until you get
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: you run into adversity and it tells you who you
• 34:29
  Speaker 3: really are.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: But see now, with martial arts or armed forces, anything
• 34:34
  Speaker 3: that derives discipline, that stance or discipline, you have to
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: go across the burning sands and when you get to
• 34:42
  Speaker 3: the other side of that, there's no there's no substitute
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: for that.
• 34:47
  Speaker 4: Well, how do you deal with you know, you talk
• 34:49
  Speaker 4: about that, but we talk about social media right where
• 34:52
  Speaker 4: you got people that could talk about your family relationships
• 34:56
  Speaker 4: and even say things to you that you know they
• 34:59
  Speaker 4: wouldn't say to your faith, but they're comfortable enough to
• 35:02
  Speaker 4: do it on the phone because they know I ain't
• 35:04
  Speaker 4: gonna see you.
• 35:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, you know you have to. That's a part
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: of me that like I had to grow up because
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: even in social media early days, there's there's there's several
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: people that I showed up did you Oh my god?
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: There was martial artists that talked crap, and I'm like,
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: I travel a lot more. I travel a lot, and
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: there was times where I showed up on people's dojo
• 35:32
  Speaker 3: and be like, let's let's continue this conversation. They're like
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: oh oh, and it's like no, no, no. You know,
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: there's a part of me for a long time, it's
• 35:41
  Speaker 3: like I I had that wishing monk would type of
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: Jean because there's a part of me that really enjoyed
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: fighting and I'm like, yo, you may knock me out.
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: I will celebrate it. I'm like, yo, man, you were
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: better than I thought. That's that's something that that's some mono,
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: a mono thing and something that I don't mind facing.
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: But hopefully so if you talking that, hopefully you ready
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: you ready for that too, right, So, because it's all good,
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: but I actually get more upset if you don't step up,
• 36:16
  Speaker 3: because it's not really about an ego thing, but it's like,
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: as a man, I don't I don't disrespect anybody, right,
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: and so I think you disrespect me. I'm going, okay,
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: we can speak about this. There was times where I
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: showed up or when I'm because you know, you know,
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: there's things that I consider that's important and integrity is
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: important to me, and so some people might be spouting off,
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: but I'm like, we can see each other, man, and
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: I'm open to be wrong and be like, oh you
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: really knew what you was talking about, you know, blessings.
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: But it's like, let's do this. But then I that
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: happened several times where I'm going, this guy was just talking.
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: This guy was just talking, and it's like it's not
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: worth my time. This could have went south. Just growing up,
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: I just grew up with that whole. Like I'm from here.
• 37:14
  Speaker 3: It's like, yo, we can understand each other as men
• 37:18
  Speaker 3: and you know, and deal with the outcome. But this
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: world ain't made the same cats anymore. Really, But I'm
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: still not going to take anybody, you know short like,
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: but I can't invest that kind of time. It took
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: me several times ago. Yeah that wasn't worth it. You're
• 37:39
  Speaker 3: not dealing with somebody who looks at things the same way.
• 37:44
  Speaker 3: So but yeah, so now I just go, bless you.
• 37:48
  Speaker 3: I get it. You're you're a negative person. You're looking
• 37:51
  Speaker 3: for the negativity and you want to spout stuff and
• 37:54
  Speaker 3: you know, there it is. But like, but sometimes I
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: I think that they are another person that wants to
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: test themselves, which I can respect. But I used to
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: think I would be called out a lot. It didn't
• 38:10
  Speaker 3: really happen very much because I always love to train
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: with some of the top fighters, Like I mean, I
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: was just with Israel out Designia like two weeks ago
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: when I was in New Zealand. You know, I love
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: skillful people and working with them and testing myself. Yeah yeah, yeah,
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: But you know, he's got to get back on on
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: on the basics now because I think like he's so
• 38:33
  Speaker 3: talented that he's lost kind of like track on some
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: some things. And we we're gonna train and you know,
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: uh more together in the future. No, he's still very
• 38:46
  Speaker 3: he's he. He shouldn't go out like now. You know,
• 38:50
  Speaker 3: he's he's he. He's got he's got aspirations and that
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: I let him talk about. But he's not done as
• 38:59
  Speaker 3: a fighter yet. But he's he's heads and tails, like
• 39:03
  Speaker 3: more talented than the rest of the field. But sometimes
• 39:07
  Speaker 3: kind of like Anderson Silva and my like you you
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: get a little bit ahead of yourself and you want
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: to like kind of you know, three sixty dunk on people.
• 39:19
  Speaker 3: But no, just go to the basics again, you know,
• 39:22
  Speaker 3: and you and and exploit that. But you know, he agrees.
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: You know, I think you haven't seen the last of him.
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: And and he's gonna he's gonna step it up. He's
• 39:33
  Speaker 3: gonna he's gonna do what what's necessary and you know,
• 39:36
  Speaker 3: kind of climb to where he needs to be.
• 39:38
  Speaker 6: I love what you said even too about meeting up
• 39:40
  Speaker 6: with people, right, because that's not a matter of wanting to,
• 39:43
  Speaker 6: you know, impose physical dominance. Sometimes it's just a respect thing.
• 39:47
  Speaker 6: I respect anything somebody can say to me, yes, yes,
• 39:50
  Speaker 6: I just don't respect the over the social media, the
• 39:52
  Speaker 6: long paragraph.
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: You gotta show me that vernacular in person. Let's have
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: a conversation.
• 39:58
  Speaker 3: That's it. Yeah man. Yeah, so and so with I've
• 40:01
  Speaker 3: I trained with a lot of champions because there's a
• 40:03
  Speaker 3: part of me that's like I want to learn. I
• 40:06
  Speaker 3: want to continue to learn and know it's like I'm
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: an I'm a nerd with it, right. So you know
• 40:10
  Speaker 3: with John Jones Man and and uh Rampage Jacks, all
• 40:14
  Speaker 3: these people who had championships, I'm here like, yeah, let
• 40:18
  Speaker 3: let's build. Let's let's work on this because you know
• 40:21
  Speaker 3: your elite fighter. Now I can work on my elite
• 40:23
  Speaker 3: stuff with you.
• 40:23
  Speaker 4: You know.
• 40:24
  Speaker 3: So I've been like I've been blessed with that and
• 40:27
  Speaker 3: so yeah, so it's weird because some reason like I
• 40:33
  Speaker 3: still feel like I'm in my thirties physically. Uh, I
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: know that's gonna change and so on that day, you
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: know it's going it's gonna come right, But right now
• 40:42
  Speaker 3: I'm I'm feeling just as good as I ever did. Yeah,
• 40:46
  Speaker 3: So you know, I've been I'm blessed. So I'm using that.
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: That's why people talk to you about martial laws.
• 40:50
  Speaker 3: Do you ever see it?
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: You don't watch superhero movies.
• 40:52
  Speaker 6: But in Avengers, Tony Stark had the little electric shock
• 40:55
  Speaker 6: and he poked Bruce Bannon with it just to see
• 40:57
  Speaker 6: him turning.
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: He said, I just want to see if you do it.
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: You want to see you turn into the hope.
• 41:01
  Speaker 3: They just want to see. Yeah, you want to.
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: See you get busy.
• 41:05
  Speaker 5: You can't be trying to f around to find out
• 41:07
  Speaker 5: with somebody that can. If your discipline, you know, doesn't stop,
• 41:10
  Speaker 5: you can really put some things on you.
• 41:13
  Speaker 3: True, true, I mean, but but like I tell you, man,
• 41:15
  Speaker 3: like I've trained with a lot of champions, and the
• 41:18
  Speaker 3: thing I brag about is when I get humbled, because
• 41:21
  Speaker 3: that's when I learned stuff right. And you know, I
• 41:23
  Speaker 3: mean I was. I was trained with Michael Bisbane and
• 41:27
  Speaker 3: and uh man, like the third round, I was so
• 41:30
  Speaker 3: tired that I was, like I was, I was useless,
• 41:33
  Speaker 3: and that taught me to always keep my my cardio up.
• 41:38
  Speaker 3: I've never been that out of shape since then. And
• 41:41
  Speaker 3: that was years ago, and so like I learned things
• 41:43
  Speaker 3: from that, right. So it's it's about your when you
• 41:47
  Speaker 3: you know, when you get humbled, you know, so yeah,
• 41:51
  Speaker 3: so that's the stuff I brag about. Yeah, I'm you know,
• 41:54
  Speaker 3: I you know, I got I'm, like I said, I'm
• 41:57
  Speaker 3: a nerd with it, and and so I try to
• 42:00
  Speaker 3: share that while I can, because one day I'm gonna
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: be with it walking with a cane. Well until then,
• 42:05
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna enjoy what I what I can now, because
• 42:08
  Speaker 3: you know, I have a chance.
• 42:09
  Speaker 6: To congratulations on your Bruce Lee Award. You the first
• 42:12
  Speaker 6: non agent to win that award last year.
• 42:14
  Speaker 3: Oh, thank you man, thank you. That meant a lot
• 42:16
  Speaker 3: to me. Really I didn't expect it, but uh yeah,
• 42:20
  Speaker 3: but you know, I used to train with Shannon Lee,
• 42:23
  Speaker 3: Bruce Lee's daughter, and we did woo shoe you know,
• 42:27
  Speaker 3: it's like a kung fu that's very flowery, very like
• 42:31
  Speaker 3: what gentle does. So yeah, we used to train together
• 42:34
  Speaker 3: the way back under a guy named Eric Chan who
• 42:37
  Speaker 3: was like, you know, amazing, like one of the top.
• 42:41
  Speaker 3: He was like the top woo shoe teachers in the
• 42:44
  Speaker 3: country and we and I should go to China with him.
• 42:49
  Speaker 3: I should travel to China with him. And he was
• 42:51
  Speaker 3: one of my instructors when I was fourteen.
• 42:54
  Speaker 8: Wow, yes, yes, I was a lot so young.
• 42:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I was, man, I was so blessed. I mean
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: when I think about the people I trained with, it's
• 43:03
  Speaker 3: like who's who in the martial arts and different you know,
• 43:06
  Speaker 3: branches of that. So I would go with Eric Chen
• 43:09
  Speaker 3: to Beijing and train under woop In, who was Jet
• 43:13
  Speaker 3: Lee's teacher and so and so I'm you know, from
• 43:18
  Speaker 3: that same camp, and you used to compete in China.
• 43:22
  Speaker 3: So yeah, that's that's like a blessing. You know. This
• 43:24
  Speaker 3: is like I said, I I one of the one
• 43:28
  Speaker 3: of the luckiest martial artists out there.
• 43:31
  Speaker 5: That's how you say, I don't know who Tony and
• 43:32
  Speaker 5: your Oscar were, but I know who Bruce Lee is.
• 43:34
  Speaker 3: That's what I said. Yeah, yeah, because I mean, I
• 43:38
  Speaker 3: ain't gonna try to shoot on the oscars. But you know,
• 43:42
  Speaker 3: I never really watched those things really, and you know,
• 43:45
  Speaker 3: it's weird to compare art, you know, to me. But
• 43:51
  Speaker 3: but you know with the with the Bruce Lee Award,
• 43:53
  Speaker 3: that that meant something. That's that's that's my village. And
• 43:57
  Speaker 3: so to get that award the person who the greatest
• 44:01
  Speaker 3: martial artist ever to live and who's emulated every day
• 44:06
  Speaker 3: and is created an industry, Yeah, that that was something
• 44:10
  Speaker 3: that that was close in mind and the trade trained
• 44:13
  Speaker 3: with Shannon. Shannon is dope.
• 44:14
  Speaker 6: Had a conversation with her a few weeks ago, a
• 44:16
  Speaker 6: nice long conversation.
• 44:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, she's always been she's been one of the
• 44:21
  Speaker 3: most quality people way back. So she's running the foundation
• 44:25
  Speaker 3: and and doing her father proud.
• 44:28
  Speaker 4: We appreciate you for joining us this morning, brother, Jo
• 44:31
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• 44:34
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• 44:35
  Speaker 3: Brother.
• 44:36
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• 44:36
  Speaker 5: Thank you.
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: Let's do this again next time you in the city
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: coming up.
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: Yes, sir, yes, sir. I appreciate you, guys, Thank you.
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