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The Punisher: One Last Kill Review & Reaction!! · For All Nerds Show

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  Speaker 1: Some classic awesome powers. I have a gun upstairs, Dad,
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  Speaker 1: another episode of the four All Nerds Show. It's your boy,
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  Speaker 1: Team of the North. And we are joined by the
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  Speaker 1: one and only Gotham geek Girl.
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  Speaker 4: Please introduce yourself, Hey, y'all, Nadia Martinez. I go by
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  Speaker 4: a Gotham geek girl. You can find me on you
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  Speaker 3: All the socials.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome back, and as you can tell by Nadia's beautiful
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  Speaker 1: T shirt, we are here to discuss Punisher one Last Kill.
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  Speaker 1: This will be a spoiler filled review, so if you
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  Speaker 1: have not seen it yet, make sure you do. If
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  Speaker 1: you haven't seen it yet, you can go check out
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  Speaker 1: my preview that's on the YouTube on Fall Nerds YouTube
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  Speaker 1: which you already subscribed to following and all that good stuff,
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  Speaker 1: And you can check out the preview if you spoil, yes,
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  Speaker 1: spoiler free preview where I just give my overall thoughts
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  Speaker 1: and let you know what you're in for once you've
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  Speaker 1: seen it. Now you're here, we're gonna say everything. First up,
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  Speaker 1: let's get to our guests. Nadia, how did you overall? Well, no, actually, first,
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  Speaker 1: before we even get to that, I you know, have
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  Speaker 1: to disclose that you do have a more personal close
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  Speaker 1: relationship with this project.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, So last summer around my birthday, which was crazy,
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  Speaker 4: I got casted for a background gig in it and
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  Speaker 4: I play like a girl that does coke essentially. But
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  Speaker 4: it was like the funniest thing ever because I don't
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  Speaker 4: do drugs, Like I mean, maybe an edible here and there,
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  Speaker 4: but I don't do drugs. So I'm over there like
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  Speaker 4: I don't know how to do this, and some guy
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  Speaker 4: taps me on the shoulder and he goes, hey, I'm
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  Speaker 4: john I almost had.
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  Speaker 3: A heart attack.
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  Speaker 4: So Johnny burnt out himself taught me how to fake
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  Speaker 4: cut coke for the scene. He was like, all right,
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  Speaker 4: So you do this, you kind of like spread it out,
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  Speaker 4: and he would showing me how to like chop it
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  Speaker 4: and like slide and cut it.
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  Speaker 1: Oh my god, that is been a lot that.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know what's wilder you being cast as a
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  Speaker 2: cocid John Burnhal showing you how to cut the lines
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  Speaker 2: with the and what did they.
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  Speaker 1: Have credit with the former? The former definite expected for Hollywood.
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  Speaker 1: After I was just trying to go to here. But
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  Speaker 1: you know, you know, my man is big dog in Hollywood, okay,
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  Speaker 1: and it comes along with the premise.
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  Speaker 3: He was so nice.
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  Speaker 4: I was like freaking out.
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  Speaker 3: That's amazing.
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  Speaker 2: They like just ramly come over. It's like, oh you
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  Speaker 2: need help, let me get you.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, somebody like talk to talent like you know. And
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  Speaker 4: then he's just like, hey, I'm.
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  Speaker 1: John Man likes fake ship. Oh okay, all right.
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  Speaker 3: Oh this is bad.
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  Speaker 4: Let me fix this, like fix this, let me show
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  Speaker 4: you how this is done. And I was like, oh
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  Speaker 4: my god.
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  Speaker 1: He's like, damn man, you know, I thought you had
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  Speaker 1: the real thing, you know, like.
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  Speaker 2: Come on, come on, No, first of all, I congress
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  Speaker 2: to you.
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  Speaker 1: That's dope.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, I know you probably don't know where if you're were.
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  Speaker 1: You've seen Did you see yourself cutting coke in this? Yeah?
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  Speaker 4: So you see me at like eighteen minutes in every
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  Speaker 4: first episode.
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  Speaker 1: I mean this is only one episode, only.
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  Speaker 4: One Oh yeah, yeah, I know it's a one shot.
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  Speaker 4: This is it unintended?
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  Speaker 1: I mean it's much more than one shot in this joint.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, all right? So what was your overall feelings
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  Speaker 1: on it?
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  Speaker 4: I enjoyed it. I do wish we got a little more.
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  Speaker 4: The runtime felt a little short to me. I do
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  Speaker 4: like though that the beginning was kind of more like
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  Speaker 4: a lot. We got a lot of monologues with this,
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  Speaker 4: that's kind of like what I described it as, like monologues,
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  Speaker 4: and then the raid, so it was like we had
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  Speaker 4: a lot of moments where it really just broke down
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  Speaker 4: into like his mind, how how messed up he is
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  Speaker 4: like at the moment, like his trauma, his PTSD, and
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  Speaker 4: we're just sitting with that for a bit, and then
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  Speaker 4: like later on it just gets wild and he just
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  Speaker 4: starts wrecking shit and it's the Frank Castle we love.
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  Speaker 4: I enjoyed it, but I do think I wish we
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  Speaker 4: got more, Like narratively, there wasn't much here to work with.
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  Speaker 4: I think I would have liked a mini series. I
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  Speaker 4: think that's also because I personally love this character so much.
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  Speaker 4: I wanted to see more. But I liked that we
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  Speaker 4: got Curtis and like a lot of his like you know,
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  Speaker 4: marine trauma shown in it. So I think it was fun.
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  Speaker 4: It was it was a blast. I really enjoyed it.
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  Speaker 2: Because I enjoyed I forgot that it was just a
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  Speaker 2: one show. I just you know, they definitely say it's
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  Speaker 2: special presentation in the beginning, like they do that splash
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  Speaker 2: screen at the like the very beginning opening shot, but
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  Speaker 2: I it read to me like mini series. It was
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  Speaker 2: shot like episode one of the new season. So and
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  Speaker 2: maybe that was a thought and they said, no, never mind,
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  Speaker 2: we're going to make this a one shot. Like it's
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  Speaker 2: just something about the pacing of it, something about what
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  Speaker 2: it includes in it and how it ends that makes
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  Speaker 2: you go, it's more than just you know, we're just
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  Speaker 2: reintroducing you to the character.
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  Speaker 3: It seems like there was more coming.
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  Speaker 2: But also that could be the point, right to make
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  Speaker 2: you get reintegrated with the character, particularly those people who
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  Speaker 2: haven't or it's been too long since they've seen a
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  Speaker 2: Netflix series. The fact that yes, he's been popping up
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  Speaker 2: in Daredevil, but you're gonna see him again in viider Man,
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  Speaker 2: and the fact that whatever future plan they have for him,
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  Speaker 2: he's gonna be thoroughly mixed in within the MCU.
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  Speaker 3: So I, like you, I enjoyed it.
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  Speaker 2: It was hyper hyper violent, and I will say this,
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  Speaker 2: it's different violence. I give it a different level of
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  Speaker 2: violence versus something like The Boys.
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  Speaker 1: And I'll explain what I mean by that.
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  Speaker 2: The Boys, to me, it's just a lot of nonsensical vinus,
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  Speaker 2: and by nonsensical, I just need to just do it
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  Speaker 2: just to see how bad they can go or how
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  Speaker 2: far they can go, Rather how bad can it get?
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  Speaker 2: What nastiness and stupid chick can I show? That's beyond
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  Speaker 2: anything that's ever been censored before in the world. Right,
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  Speaker 2: That's how I feel about The Boys. Whereas this, especially
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  Speaker 2: within knowing the context and the framing of who Frank
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  Speaker 2: Castle is, of who Punisher is, and that whole line
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  Speaker 2: of story, there's a purpose behind everything that he's doing.
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  Speaker 2: So yes, it's very violent, but it's purpose. It's very
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  Speaker 2: much tracking towards even if you have never known who
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  Speaker 2: punish it was. Because of the way they pace it
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  Speaker 2: and structure the story. New people can get right into
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  Speaker 2: it and understand where does that rage come from, Where
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  Speaker 2: does that depression come from, Where does that response come
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  Speaker 2: from from him?
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  Speaker 3: And let's be practical.
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  Speaker 2: If a million niggas is coming after you with knives,
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  Speaker 2: swords and all sorts of shit, you got to respond
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  Speaker 2: in kind.
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  Speaker 3: So to me, even though it was super violent, it
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  Speaker 3: made sense and it wasn't.
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  Speaker 2: It wasn't something that just made me gave me a
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  Speaker 2: really bad feeling that typically happens when I watch things
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  Speaker 2: like The Boys.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, all right, for me, I echo most of
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  Speaker 1: what y'all saying. I enjoyed it overall, right. I also
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  Speaker 1: wanted a lot more, like Nadia said, and especially narratively,
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  Speaker 1: because when I first heard of this project, it was
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  Speaker 1: that John was he he wanted to do this. He
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  Speaker 1: was like, I had this idea and I really wanted
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  Speaker 1: to do it. And even in a recent interview I
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  Speaker 1: read where he was talking about how when he went
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  Speaker 1: to Marvel he was like, Yo, don't just hand it
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  Speaker 1: to me. Let me, you know, really work on the
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  Speaker 1: script and really do this. They saw some of his
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  Speaker 1: earlier writing and they were like, okay, you know he
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  Speaker 1: can write, so let's let him do it, and him
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  Speaker 1: and the producer and director had this idea and they
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  Speaker 1: developed it. So my thought was that, Okay, we might
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  Speaker 1: see some of the things around the Punisher and his
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  Speaker 1: symbol being used by the police, and how we even
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  Speaker 1: saw them the symbol being used by the Task Force.
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  Speaker 1: I know we had him confront the Task Force and
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  Speaker 1: born again, but I was just hoping for a little
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  Speaker 1: bit more that, especially within the real world, how you
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  Speaker 1: see his symbol being used by the police. So I
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  Speaker 1: was in not or maybe not even that, but just
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  Speaker 1: some story, you know, because the way John was like, yo,
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  Speaker 1: I gotta tell this story, I was like, okay, this
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  Speaker 1: don't have a story, and then I don't really think
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  Speaker 1: it did. I feel like, like y'all said, there's more
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  Speaker 1: of a primer for people who haven't seen it. It
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  Speaker 1: starts off with, you know, this is who Punisher is.
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  Speaker 1: He's a victim of violence who continues to use violence
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  Speaker 1: and gets that out in the first I think it's
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  Speaker 1: fifteen minutes in, and then fifteen minutes in, like Nadia said,
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  Speaker 1: the raid light starts and he murders a bunch of people,
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  Speaker 1: and then he's like, okay, I can not kill myself
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  Speaker 1: and go on murdering more people and that's the end
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  Speaker 1: of it. And the violence part. Let me say what
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  Speaker 1: I wouldn't say about the violence part, like you said
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  Speaker 1: talking when I watch violence, is I'm not a big
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  Speaker 1: fan anymore of realistic violence, of things where I think
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  Speaker 1: it could happen, like things like this, where you see
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  Speaker 1: someone just shooting up a bunch of people and people
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  Speaker 1: getting murdered over and over again. Like I can watch
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  Speaker 1: things with like The Boys, even though I don't watch The
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  Speaker 1: Boys anymore because it's just superheroes and shit that won't
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  Speaker 1: happen in the real world. But we live in America
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  Speaker 1: full of gun you know. So that's why things like
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  Speaker 1: this are much more bothersome than me seeing people, you know,
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  Speaker 1: human beings just being mowed down by this guy and it.
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  Speaker 1: They do a lot of video game shots, which like
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  Speaker 1: John Witt did, where it's like the overhead shot. There's
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  Speaker 1: just a lot of video gaming of it, of violence
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  Speaker 1: and death, and that kind of bothers me, even though
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  Speaker 1: because especially with this dude supposedly being the hero, I
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  Speaker 1: know he's the protagonist, and I know the idea he's
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  Speaker 1: an anti hero, et cetera. But I feel like that's
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  Speaker 1: a lot of nonsense really, and it just I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: I enjoyed it, but I also had a lot of
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  Speaker 1: issues with it, like especially the levels of violence and
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  Speaker 1: when there's no real thought behind the violence. Like I
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  Speaker 1: agree with you talk to Awna, you know a trats
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  Speaker 1: with his character, but as far as like just you
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  Speaker 1: know what the reality of it is, it just felt
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  Speaker 1: goofy too a points that was my problem. Oh man,
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  Speaker 1: supremely goofy, like ridiculously like the biggest one is my
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  Speaker 1: Nucci's character, and that's I did not notice until after
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  Speaker 1: I watched that the black dude who's with my Nucie
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  Speaker 1: is another character from the comics Barracuda, and they just
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  Speaker 1: felt ineffective, Like they send a mob of one hundred
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  Speaker 1: people at this dude, not you know, half of them
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  Speaker 1: have knives and swords. People are running up on my
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  Speaker 1: man like, oh, it's Frank Castle. What you're gonna do, nigga?
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  Speaker 1: He's doing to shoot you. This is the punisher, you
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  Speaker 1: know what? Respect? You know what respect on this man's name.
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  Speaker 2: I think, because this is almost like a reintroduction dad,
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  Speaker 2: understanding is not understood, Like they're not looking like that
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  Speaker 2: is John Wick. They first of all, as the story goes, because.
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  Speaker 1: It is imagine dude just running up on John Wick, because.
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  Speaker 2: The way it enters you into the world. First of all,
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  Speaker 2: they say that pretty much as a result of him
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  Speaker 2: murder of unaliving the aliving the new trees, they left
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  Speaker 2: the power vacuum.
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  Speaker 3: So then everybody's wilent.
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  Speaker 2: And remember at first he wasn't policing or punishing nothing.
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  Speaker 3: Everybody was wilding.
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  Speaker 2: And who knows how long people were wilding? When I
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  Speaker 2: say wyd, I.
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  Speaker 3: Mean straight, uh, what is it the purge?
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  Speaker 2: Yes, reach broad daylight and can I understand what you're
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  Speaker 2: saying Ben about maybe that's goofy and the people. And
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  Speaker 2: they respond like, I will say, it read very GTA,
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  Speaker 2: where it was just like the NBC act in GTA,
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  Speaker 2: where it was just like random just random acts of violence,
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  Speaker 2: people walking around knockingcause upside the head even.
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  Speaker 3: Like, yes, it was like the GTA. And so I
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  Speaker 3: do agree that the the.
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  Speaker 2: Thugs as they were called in the parentheses on the
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  Speaker 2: perceptions were ineffective, but I think that was the point.
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  Speaker 2: It was just to show you whom like there's these
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  Speaker 2: there's violence, like there's violence, and then there's this nigga punisher,
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  Speaker 2: there's your bullshit that.
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  Speaker 3: You're doing, and then there's Frank Castle.
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  Speaker 2: But it's and then they coupled that also with and
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  Speaker 2: they purposefully gave you that full interview. Well, I want
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  Speaker 2: to say it's like an interview, but like a full
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  Speaker 2: intro into his psyche. Yes, he's fucked up in the
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  Speaker 2: head because of all the other shit that happened to him.
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  Speaker 2: Yes he's still fucked up even more fuck because he
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  Speaker 2: kind of completed the task. But now he's being plagued
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  Speaker 2: by demons and so fucked up and not caring or
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  Speaker 2: whatever you want to say, doing his little Ninja turtle thing,
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  Speaker 2: hiding where he's not there's all that's going on around him,
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  Speaker 2: and he's not reacting.
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  Speaker 3: He walks down the street, he hears the gunshots, people
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  Speaker 3: screaming going off.
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  Speaker 2: All he hears is war, right, Yeah, So I get
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  Speaker 2: what you're saying Ben about like like there was no
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  Speaker 2: real I guess enemy that there was no real danger
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  Speaker 2: for him, And it's like, why would y'all pull up
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  Speaker 2: on him. He he's basically john with because they don't know,
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  Speaker 2: they don't know that.
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  Speaker 3: It took him being on fire for him to activate.
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  Speaker 2: To be honest, how long it took before he said, oh,
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  Speaker 2: let me bring.
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  Speaker 1: Up the man got warned, you know. She rolled up
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  Speaker 1: on him, was like, yo, they coming at this time, Sam,
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  Speaker 1: and he was like, let me go take a nap.
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  Speaker 4: Would have been like on some home alone ship ready.
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  Speaker 3: I really liked her story.
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  Speaker 2: I liked even though I knew she liked she yes,
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  Speaker 2: she was also very much a caricature. I did like
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  Speaker 2: when she pulled up on him and told the story
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  Speaker 2: because I'm like, what the bitch about to say? And
• 14:36
  Speaker 2: when she was just like, I was like, Oh.
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  Speaker 4: That's the most my husband you took, my son, Carlo, myself, Eddie.
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  Speaker 3: That was actually he did.
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  Speaker 2: A good job on that to like be like, here's
• 14:46
  Speaker 2: nobody else pulling up talk about.
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  Speaker 3: I need your help, but.
• 14:48
  Speaker 2: It's because of you that I need your help, and
• 14:51
  Speaker 2: then all hell breaks loose after that. After that, I
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  Speaker 2: really just think it's about idolizing what punish your stands for,
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  Speaker 2: which is just shooting killing at this stage in this
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  Speaker 2: in this version of the story, because that that that's
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  Speaker 2: really oldes me what it came out to be, like
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  Speaker 2: if we if you're going down, what you're thinking. Then
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  Speaker 2: it ended up being more idolicizing, like this is this
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  Speaker 2: is what it is, and yes these people are ineffective,
• 15:17
  Speaker 2: and yes these are henchmen, and yes.
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  Speaker 1: These are foot soldiers who don't matter.
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  Speaker 2: He kills them by the dozens because that's what people
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  Speaker 2: want to see.
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  Speaker 3: I haven't seen that in a while from punishing, I haven't.
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  Speaker 3: And I was like, oh, pretty good.
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  Speaker 1: It was this is not good. Not I want to
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  Speaker 1: know more of your thoughts. But I also have a
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  Speaker 1: question for both of y'all. Is this copaganda? What did
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  Speaker 1: he say?
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  Speaker 3: How's it cop? Again? And when there's no cop, cops
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  Speaker 3: ain't do nothing.
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  Speaker 4: The cops left.
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  Speaker 2: Remember very early on when the cops pulled up and
• 15:50
  Speaker 2: the guy like threw a bottle of the like really
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  Speaker 2: simple ship threw a bottle at the cop cart and
• 15:54
  Speaker 2: the cop car reversed immediately.
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  Speaker 4: There were no law there weren't. There was no presentence.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, there was no presence of any of the.
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  Speaker 4: Mental health whatever was off the charts. It's like New
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  Speaker 4: York on crack times ten.
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  Speaker 2: Right, And that's and I'll get into something about that
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  Speaker 2: when we get Yeah, yeah, it was more the most
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  Speaker 2: you saw, you know, the stuff about the Marines, but
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  Speaker 2: that was more intrinsic to him as a character him
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  Speaker 2: as an individual. I don't think there was any like
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  Speaker 2: copaganda or at all propaganda.
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  Speaker 1: Ooh, all right, well, I have to say I think
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  Speaker 1: there's a lot of it.
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  Speaker 3: And I gun propaganda, but the.
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  Speaker 1: Gun propaganda one definitely. I also think there's a lot
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  Speaker 1: with the Marines. I think the Marines are definitely being
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  Speaker 1: used as a military cop you know, propaganda. This is like,
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: even though it shows you the mental trauma of what
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: he does, it also at the same time is like,
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: you know who robed Marines? We don't. We don't stop
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: to We finished the mission, and that is you know,
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: the goal. Even the black dude who's his ghost whatever,
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: is like, you know, I'm going to hell for what
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: I've done. You know, he even says I might go
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: to hell for what I've done. And he ain't done
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: none of the punishing ship in a marine.
• 16:58
  Speaker 3: He's just talking about his regular duties.
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: But at the same time he's like, you've done it,
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: but yo, what are you gonna do? You're gonna have
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: to keep going, keep the mission going, like you're gonna fail.
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: And this in this because there are no cops. I
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: feel like Punishure does represent law and order, justice and
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: the idea that shooting is the way to do it.
• 17:22
  Speaker 3: Okay, I do think he represents street justice.
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: I do think he I don't in America. What's the
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: difference between that and police.
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: But that ties into the whole, Like to me, at
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: least for me, when you're talking about police, I don't
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: think justice whatsoever. I don't look at police and think
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: and perhaps I don't think police and think justice. That's
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: not that's not the first thing to come to mind.
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: I don't see justice when I see a white man
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: shooting doing a multi cultural man.
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: I see, I see, and particularly for punishure, what I
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: see is a vigilante.
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: I see it.
• 17:55
  Speaker 3: I'm clear about what I'm seeing.
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: I just don't necessarily equate him to what people think
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: comps are supposed to represent terms of the you know,
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: the law. Like he doesn't perform justice, he performs revenge.
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: He informs exacting uh equal footing. Right, Like he held
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: up the guy at the very end to give me
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: the hat back.
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: The homeless man said, that's not all he took for me.
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: And he said, okay, Wenna, I got you right, He said,
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: no prob we're gonna bounce the sh out. That's not
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: necessarily quote justice in the terms of what we know
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: from a Western US perspective, but.
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: It is hoods justice, it's street justice.
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: It's like you fuck with me, I'm gonna fuck with you,
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: and we're gonna do any equal parts, especially when you
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: fuck when people who are innocent.
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: That's all. And that's another thing, if you want.
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: To talk about cartoonish stuff, Ben, the thugs were all
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: just doing the same thing.
• 18:47
  Speaker 3: They were like g T A n PCs.
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: They say, knocking niggas upside the head, you know, making
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: making stupid catchphrases. They were all one dimensional, so there
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: was no point for you or or or sense of
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: you to even vibe with any of them. It was
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: just like kill them all. And I don't know if
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: that was purpose, like if he realized his writing him
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: writing that like that them like that made you realize
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: that these were cardboard dummies kill them all.
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And see, that's that's where I have a problem.
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: I think there's a lot of that in our media
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: and in this in the mentality of like younger people
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: like this whole idea of NPCs. Even though I said
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: that earlier is a really weird way to live life.
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: To me, it's like when you walk around and think
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: all these other people are in PC's and I'm the
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: main player character. You know, no one matters, you know,
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: And that's what this is feeding into that mentality. It's
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: like punishes the hero. All these people are expendable, like
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: my Nucci having that speech to him was interesting, but
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: then he never reflects on that. It's just like, yeah,
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: well fuck it, I killed your family.
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: Well he got time to reflect and she said they in.
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: Sixty But that's what I'm saying. The story doesn't allow that,
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: Like that's the problem. And the story is I know,
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: we're gonna have violence for fifty minutes or fifteen minut
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: and it's twenty minutes, and then we're gonna have him
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: go back to more violence and my Nuci is gonna
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: roll up and stare at him out the window and
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: nobody's just trying to shoot this man. You know. It's like,
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying. It's silly, but it's silly, and
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: then it's just so much violence where it's the same
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: thing that I felt about John Wick, where I was
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: like John Wick is a psychopath. He's not a hero.
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: He is the villain of this story. And I feel
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: like Punisher is definitely the villain of this story. But
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: people aren't gonna see that. People are gonna call me
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: a monster and an idiot and everything else under the sun.
• 20:30
  Speaker 4: No, I think that taps into the whole like moral
• 20:32
  Speaker 4: dilemma with Daredevil. It's funny we were talking about the
• 20:35
  Speaker 4: Daredevil season two and some of the points you made
• 20:37
  Speaker 4: made me dislike it more so silly for me, I
• 20:41
  Speaker 4: think this and Daredevil should have, not only that's a
• 20:46
  Speaker 4: whole other conversation tied into each other more, but I
• 20:49
  Speaker 4: think they should have pulled things from each other. So
• 20:52
  Speaker 4: to me, Daredevil was lacking in the violence and grittiness
• 20:55
  Speaker 4: that Netflix gave us. This season was very toned down,
• 20:59
  Speaker 4: even in terms of the stunts and the fighting. It was.
• 21:02
  Speaker 4: It was kind of lackluster. This was way better in
• 21:06
  Speaker 4: terms of action, like every moment I was like hell yeah,
• 21:08
  Speaker 4: hell yeah, hell yeah. But this was lacking in the
• 21:12
  Speaker 4: connection to kind of what you've been talking about, the
• 21:15
  Speaker 4: moral dilemma with like Karen. At least they showed her
• 21:18
  Speaker 4: because that's like his moral compass. She kind of calms
• 21:20
  Speaker 4: him down, but her and Daredevil is more like, no,
• 21:24
  Speaker 4: we need Frank to function up. So it's like I
• 21:26
  Speaker 4: think both shows.
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: Right, she's the way, she's the black widow to his
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: whole basically, Yeah.
• 21:32
  Speaker 4: Likes going down a connection of like what can balance them?
• 21:36
  Speaker 4: If that makes sense. This show lacked all of that
• 21:40
  Speaker 4: connection to the Ice agents and all that.
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: Yes, and that's that's my that's my problem. It's like
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: you have just like and they've stated that this is
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: happening during Born Again season two.
• 21:51
  Speaker 4: And there was no connection.
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: No, I wanted to ask you about that. Wait, when
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: is this one shot happening during Born Again? The like
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: they say the beginning, I guess is before Born Again
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: season two, but they say during seasons.
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: So the raid is happening.
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: During season two? Happened?
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: What's happening?
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: Because yes, and that doesn't consume.
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: Like that it seemed like it was before.
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, this is my question because this isn't Queens right, it's.
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: Well the truth is it like uptown where where they
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: shot it?
• 22:22
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's like different parts like.
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: Some Brooklyn they're doing they're doing it insane different places.
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: First of all, they said little sicily, which little Italy,
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: which is way downtown, and then where they shot it
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: is in damn here in the Bronx.
• 22:37
  Speaker 4: And in Brooklyn.
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: Okay, yeah it was. It was some amalgamation New York. Okay. Cool,
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: so but whatever, a right, So let's just assume that
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: it does.
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: It matters because depending on the hood that it could
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: be a different vibe.
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: But whatever, No, no, no, it doesn't. I mean it
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: doesn't matter because I'm saying, this is this comical world
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: where people are just you know, chaos is in the streets,
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: and this is still somewhere in New York. This is
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: a that has the friendly neighborhood Spider Man where we'll
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: see him interact in the next film, but because they
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: can't afford him for this, and it's just it's like,
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: at least ever mentioned in this man like Swingerbye Rocking, somebody.
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: You have a friend in the next borrow a couple
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: of boroughs away. You never and you will never long
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: and you'll never have a conversation. So that was kind
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: of a really yeah, I get it, Yeah, I.
• 23:28
  Speaker 4: Get it, but I forgot to call Peter. We haven't
• 23:30
  Speaker 4: spoken a minute, Like what.
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: If Peter gonna do? They shooting like I don't know.
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: I don't know, and.
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: And I know I had said sources and stuff, but
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: like they had all matter of weaponry, like they had
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: like you know, make shure tools incompetence.
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: It was very Star Trooper level.
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: That was their main weapon approach.
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: But they had bombs, they had fucking dynamite, they had
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: they had all sorts of ship handguns, grenades, you know,
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: a K automatic semount like they had everything that you
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: will not never have in New York.
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: Let's be clear, you will never have that level. I mean,
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: somebody got it, but legally, trust me, it was just
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: a sheer amount.
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: I was like, okay, but that's neither here nor there.
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: The point is I do I do hear both sides?
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: You know, like yes, there were some things where it's like, oh,
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: it's cartoony, and why didn't they do this?
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: Why do they do that?
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: But also it was developed as a one shot or
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: I don't know if it began as a one shot,
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: but it ended up as a one shot. So how
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: long was it supposed to but it should it have
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: been longer to really incorporate more like again, it was
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: literally in the same format and timing as one of
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: their series it was forty It sat forty nine minutes,
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: but I think it was like forty seven minutes of
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: actual content, So it was just like an episode of Daredevil.
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: So it was like, well, shit, if you're gonna do that,
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: you might as well do a little bit more.
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: And neither of y'all have read I'm not sure not
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: if you ever read the Garth and his Punisher series
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: that some of this is based on.
• 25:05
  Speaker 4: Is that The Wars not war Zone.
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: That's the one. It went on for a long time,
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: and there was like two versions of it. There's the
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: one where he's like shooting Wolverine and run over with
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: a steamroller, and then there's like the part where he
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: gets yeah, because that was the cartoonish version the yeah
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: because Darth Ennis is also the author of The Boys
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: Boys Yeah, So he did that cartoonish version, and then
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: he did this other version where Barracuda and everybody comes in,
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: and it's still a bit cartoonish, but it also gets
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: very dark. Like It's one of my favorite Punisher series
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: because especially of this one page where Punishers in the
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: middle of shooting up like a crack ben you know
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: crack you know, up in the hood, shooting it up,
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: and he's having this inner monologue where he's telling telling
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: a story about this dream yet and in the dream
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: he's like, I'm shooting up a bunch of people and
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: I don't know if they're wrong or not. And then
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: he's like at the end of it, and just like
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: the end of the issue, and he's like, and sometimes
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: I don't know if I'm still dreaming, you know, And
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: now is the end of the issue.
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: Is which I saw that which I see the parallels
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: here because in half of this onun Shot, he's fucking dreaming.
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, he is hallucinations of everybody, his visions.
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: He's responding to these visions. He's questioning the visions, the
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: visions like yeah, dog, I'm here and they not.
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: And uh so that that's interesting that you said that, Ben, Yeah.
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: But the interesting part is that in that when he
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: doesn't know if he's you know, ultimately he doesn't know.
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's when he wakes up. Like I said,
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: it took some flit him to be lit on fire
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: to wake up.
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: But yeah, but is he it's still it's like, is
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: he really killing criminals like that?
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: Think it's just all I saw was a bunch of
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: cardboard goons running around terrorizing the neighborhood, on on on,
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: punish your rules.
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: They deserve it, I guess so. But you look at
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: the old man.
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: At the end and he looks, I'm about to do this,
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: And the old man said, I think that's.
• 27:05
  Speaker 4: Too Why they opened with that, with the with the
• 27:08
  Speaker 4: man being like, you know, kind, loving, loving his dog
• 27:11
  Speaker 4: showing an animal, it's definitely gonna make us feel like.
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: True they did the loads.
• 27:18
  Speaker 4: Of course we're gonna feel that.
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: They did the loads.
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: Come de nominator to get you immediately like, oh no,
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: these niggas.
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: Gotta die.
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: Full circle. Yeah, the dog the dog situation was terrible.
• 27:31
  Speaker 4: Oh my god, I didn't think that was gonna happen.
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: And I will I will say this has been.
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: Like I said, I still enjoyed it, and it's still
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: like read like.
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: True Punisher to me.
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: And at the same time, I will say it was
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: actually got to a point where it was like it
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: was hard still, like I said, even though it was
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: much better in terms of why.
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: The violence was happening, it still was a lot of violence.
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: And like I at one point it actually got to
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: me in that middle part when the kid at the
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: end of all of that one when Puncher finally saved
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: everybody and at the end when the little girl ran
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: and got the little flower from like, that fucked me up.
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: Actually, like I started tearing up. Lie tear too, did you?
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: And it's not because like, oh, this is the saddest
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: thing I've seen, but I think because I was from
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: the very beginning we were embroiled in so much violence,
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: Like I was feeling like I was feeling like how
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: he was feeling, where it was just nonstoff. And then
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: the reason why I made it a point to talk
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: about New York so much is because I've seen, you know,
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: back in the day really, but I've seen and been
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: in those situations in those hoods where it's all this
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: shit going on around you and the noises, the sounds,
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: and it's hyper stimulating and it's overbearing, and it's you're
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: in a state of fear constantly, and then you literally
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: the only really, the only one genuine act of kindness
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: in the entire one shot was that little girl And
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: that I think that's where my mind was like, oh, bitch,
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: here's your chance to call him down now.
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: And that's why I teared up, Like because I was
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: on edge.
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: I see at that same part. That was when it
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: was really getting to me, the violence when he is
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: using the blue pin, which is mentioned earlier, and shout
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: out to Andre Royo, who a lot of people know
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: from the Wire he played Bubbles on the Wire. He's
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: to see him. Oh man, he's just brilliant. Yes, and
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: Andre just brings so much without even having you know,
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: a bare minimum of lines. He just brings such a
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: level that every scene he's in. But when he's stabbing him,
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: I mean, just going to town with this pin and
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: the woman in the back is screaming the hide your eyes,
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: hide your eyes, the girl. Yeah, and that's when it's
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: just like, yeah, man, this is this dude is like
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: completely a bit the rain. He's monstrous and sure like
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: these people are all terrorizing the neighborhood, et cetera. But again,
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: it just felt so comical that that was another point
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: when it feels comical because he stabs up this dude.
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: You know, he doesn't stop my Nucci and Barracuda from
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: driving off. He stabs up this dude and then suddenly
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: ambulances pull up and the neighborhood just proms down.
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: Well to play death, I think waiting last guy, the guy.
• 30:19
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think people were waiting for him all that,
• 30:23
  Speaker 4: like crazy shit was happening and he was just ignoring it.
• 30:26
  Speaker 4: I think people were waiting for him to do something.
• 30:29
  Speaker 4: And then on one end with you saying you feel
• 30:33
  Speaker 4: like the cop thing, I think making him more excessively
• 30:37
  Speaker 4: violent deters from that thought where it's like, see, I
• 30:42
  Speaker 4: don't doesn't make me feel like that. It makes me
• 30:44
  Speaker 4: feel like he's a monster, Like that's.
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: The because he's do you not see what the cops is?
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: Excessively violent?
• 30:51
  Speaker 4: Oh no, I say that too. Absolutely, That's not what
• 30:53
  Speaker 4: I'm saying. What I'm saying is I think that his
• 30:56
  Speaker 4: this being like as you're saying, comical, but I think
• 30:59
  Speaker 4: that to show the disconnect of him and that where
• 31:04
  Speaker 4: Murdoch is like he'll make excuses or whatever, and Frank
• 31:07
  Speaker 4: is like, I don't give a fuck, like I'm gonna
• 31:09
  Speaker 4: stab you in the face whether you do this or that.
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: Just just we're being to clarify.
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: I want to.
• 31:13
  Speaker 3: I want to clarify what you're saying.
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: I also feel like people are gonna maybe take what
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: you're saying wrong. And you're saying comical, do you mean
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: punishing himself, or you mean the scenario in which he
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: was a.
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: Scenario, the scenario which it happens. Like I thought the
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: acwer was dope for the what most part, you know,
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: very well directed, et cetera. But I think the situations
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: are extremely comical, like him falling off the building and
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: then shooting the guys. Happen multiple times. It happened multiple times,
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: it survives. It got to the John Wick level where
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: I'm like.
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: Well he did involved fifty feet less than ten feet
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: each time.
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: Okay, but yeah, he gets thrown off the roof, you know,
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: a good ten feet onto a metal thing by a
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: strong dude, and then during the fall somehow shoots this guy.
• 32:04
  Speaker 4: He's also suicidal, so he gives no fucks.
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: No, no, I'm just saying it's I hear what you're saying.
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: You're saying, it's a lot of the susional belief.
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: I'm not done. I'm not done after this fall when
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: like I said, again, Barracuda, Okay, people don't know from
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: the common Veracooter is a murderer. He's a killer. He
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: is Frank Castle on steroids, just like Frank. Right, he
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: is up there. So they're introducing this character as this menace. Right,
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: he's there with my new sheet. They have him dead
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: to rights. He is standing in broad daylight in the
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: middle of the street, and no one pops a cap
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: in him. You know, people run at this same scene,
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: Several people run up on him and scream his name,
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: Frank Castle. No one just shoots him, you know. People
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: catch like the big dude threw him off through, had
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: to drop on him. But he chooses to run up
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: on him and grab him and throw him off of
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: the roof instead of just shooting him. It just you
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: know' That's what I'm saying. It becomes one of these
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: things where it's like, Okay, I get it, but it's
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: it's silly if it's trying it the same way I
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: felt in Dreedo, where it's like, why is no one
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: sending like that final fight with Kingpin? Why don't they
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: have competent opponents for the Kingpin to fight? He can
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: still beat them all to death, but not just a
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: room full of kids, I mean a hallway for the kids,
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: you know, have some of the cops do at him
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: and then he fucks these chops up. I mean, in
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: your example, in that example, the cops have turned trader.
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: They had said, no, we're not down with this anymore.
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: So they should have ran in there and done the
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: work instead of sending the kids in. But they didn't.
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: And then in this one, it's just like a bunch
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: of incompetent fools who just run at this dry and
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: get killed instead of having it be like the Raid,
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: where if you watch the Raid, the man has fights
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: he has to deal with. You know, every fight is
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: a fight because it's tough, and that makes it that
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: gives you emotion, that makes you feel things. It just
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: becomes like, oh my god, all right, can I can
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: I get done with this? That's how I felt by
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: the end of it.
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: Well, they and you already to spend but they set
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: the stage to to get the viewer to accept the
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: quote low level stakes of this and like the reality
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: of it.
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: This is kind of technically low love for him.
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: But remember like he's just come out of He just
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: fucking quote woke up right like he was in his
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: midst of whatever it was mentally one two. At the
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: very beginning, he's doing the pull ups, the thing is dripping.
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: They're trying to show this man is resilient, this man
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: can take anything, he's a.
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: Beast, he's a monster whatever.
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: Like they give all of these context clues in the
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: scenario that was written to be like this man is
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: really a monster underneath, and when he acts the vase
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: is gonna be real?
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: And is it required?
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: No, but to make it even more real, they use
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: the fucking foot soldiers to get rid of them, Like,
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: I don't think it's going to be I don't think
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: they he or whomever thought, oh, it's got to be
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: raid level realponents, and they would just like, Yo, this
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: is him re emerging. Let's show what happens when he can.
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: You got NonStop a hundred of them just he just
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: fucking shut up. I just really think that their their
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: approach was like it wasn't as much as we're thinking
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: that it could have been or should be. It was
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: just more like, yo, we're gonna reintroduce this and this
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: is him.
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: Just this is just how he fucking rolls.
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: And he got you know, not that it was in
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: vital organs, but he got shot and stabbed a couple
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: of times.
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: That was just more than.
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: Showing like he got a whole Like I don't know
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: what the fun that was an ice pick that was Yah.
• 35:29
  Speaker 4: Yeah, the whole thing.
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: He got shot once, I like at least once, Like
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: he fell off of fucking buildings, Like yeah. I still
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: think they were just trying to show, like you know,
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: this man's a tank, like you know I and I don't.
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: I'm not saying you said this. I'm just saying that
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: they're They're also not saying that like.
• 35:44
  Speaker 3: It was easy for him.
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: It's just you know, everyone else like scrubs behind him,
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: regardless of the bullshit weapons they had, regardless of the
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: non tactics they can remember. It wasn't like it was strategy.
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: It wasn't like it was planned. These are goons all
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: out for themselves. There are a bunch of individuals versus
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: a one man band, one band one sound right.
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: I get it. She couldn't, like even in Scarface. You
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: know at the end of Scarface, they send all the
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: goons and there's one of the dude.
• 36:14
  Speaker 3: Those were herd goons.
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: Those were just I put She said, I put a
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: bounty on you had bounty.
• 36:19
  Speaker 4: Exactly anybody just I put money out, Like.
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: You got enough money to put the bounty up, Look,
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: put ten to the side and get one good goon.
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: This is what I think I think she thought.
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: I think it came down to my new chie thought, Oh,
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: I'm just gonna get a thousand niggas on like did.
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: Tracy Fan, like did Tracy was in sensing violence.
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: That I think it was just these characters that all thought.
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: You thought, like, Oh, I'm just gonna just do this
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: and that's gonna be enough. I'm gonna send five hundred
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: niggas after him. It's gonna be enough. I'm gonna get
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: my revenge. It's gonna be enough. I'm not thinking about
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: this this this man's been laying on, letting crime happened
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: around him for who knows how long.
• 37:02
  Speaker 3: I'm just gonna let an end on him. No, and
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: didn't ended up like that. It actually you thought, and
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: here we are, so.
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: You know, you can use that both as a fault
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: of how the one shot was written as well as well.
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: You know, that's just how they were trying to put
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: purpose into why he was doing what he was doing.
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: And that he was, like I said, I just expected more. Overall,
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: I thought it cool, you know it, and I watch again.
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: I would watch more of this, you know, like if
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: they continue this people, I would like to see Barracuda
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: actually become somewhat even though the characters there's a lot
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: of he's super problem, the big black guy who's walking,
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: Oh that guy, yeah, yeah yeah, And the comics it's
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's trifling like Garth, and it is super trifling.
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: So Barracuda is beyond trifling. But the comic was hilarious.
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: I can't lie, so that would be interesting. But it
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: also get back into this real comedic side, you know
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: that I don't know if they're going to go there,
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: if they do more of this, because this was really,
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: you know, trying not to be just for me. It
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: fell into the comedy side when they don't just shoot
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: him and they just give me inverting comedy, inaverting comedy,
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: but it wasn't like intentional. And then my last thought
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: is that I will say that like I do feel
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: like this does fuel police more than it does anything
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: to prevent police violence. Like I think this normalizes violence
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: to a level where police already feel this way. And
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: when police watch this, they're going to see themselves as
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: the punisher because that's how they already see They already
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: see themselves.
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: But that's because they're bastardizing the symbol. The symbolism.
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: No, no, no, beyond that. Hold up. See that's what
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: I'm say, let me finish. It's not because it has
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: nothing to do with the punisher that they see themselves
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: as way police see themselves as way because they're trained
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: to see everyone as a criminal first. If you're not
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: a police, you're a criminal, and so they see society
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: civilians as criminals, just like Punishure does. So this just
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: fucking normalizes that thought process for them and puts it
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: on the big screen where it's like this is the hero.
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: So that's why, like I feel like like Marvel, like
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: we've had this Distruss before, but Marvel does not get
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: near enough criticism for its copaganda, for its military ganda,
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: for its pushing of the nonsense that we live in America, Like,
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: it doesn't get near enough. And Punish her as a
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: big problem in it, like compared to their other heroes,
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: he's the biggest problem. And I feel like it's just unaddressed.
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: And so that's my you know, that's all I'd say.
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah they do this was like oof, this is just
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: violence for violence sake, and that's never a good thing
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: to do in America. Man.
• 39:42
  Speaker 4: I guess what they could have done to kind of
• 39:45
  Speaker 4: fix that a bit, maybe give us I know, we
• 39:48
  Speaker 4: got the Mama Nucciese like motivations. Yeah, but I think
• 39:53
  Speaker 4: if we realized why did she wait so long or
• 39:56
  Speaker 4: what was her overall plan aside from just like she
• 39:59
  Speaker 4: got the money. It's not like she needed to raise
• 40:02
  Speaker 4: the money. So maybe if they showed more extensively of
• 40:06
  Speaker 4: her plan, maybe her planning a bunch of like I
• 40:09
  Speaker 4: guess you said, NPC, maybe that could have normally I
• 40:14
  Speaker 4: nobody said these aren't these people don't belong.
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: To her.
• 40:19
  Speaker 4: The bounty, right, maybe she had a better plan, They
• 40:22
  Speaker 4: could have gotten a tighter structure that could.
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: Have And I think that's where where the we're critics, right,
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: so we're looking at this very critically and very you know,
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: from a constructive viewpoint, right. I think it was just
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: simply she ain't had no fucking plan. She wanted revenge
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: because he killed her whole family. And this is what
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: someone who just wants to literally go nuclear does, who
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: has the money. She wrote, she pulled off in in
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: my box, like, come on, bro, Like I don't think
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: there was necessarily pain. I'm not saying that makes it
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: good or bad it's just it's could have could have
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: been better at based on what you're saying, not based
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: on what Bennison yes, And perhaps in a story for
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: like a full series format, we would have gotten something
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: that was tell me your motivation instead of Jess, I'm mad,
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna kill you or get somebody else to do it.
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: And more so, I just would have liked to see
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: and it doesn't come. It doesn't have to come from
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: Frank because they don't have to be that type of
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: reflective character. But the idea of what minute she was saying,
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: you killed my family, doog you know? Like, what do
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: you mean my family said that verbatim? I know, but
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: it's like but I.
• 41:34
  Speaker 4: He means showing more of the consequence, like.
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: It's just abandoned. But no, it's just I get to
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: kill one hundred people and I get to go back
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: killing people and I'm right. And that's where it's like
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: they know you're.
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: Not, but you have a problem that they didn't interrogate
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: the fact that he's going back to what he's doing.
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: Yes, not exactly right, He's not right. He's judge, jury
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: and executioner. I say this all the time that if
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: if you encounter that in real life, you would think
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: of this white man running through the hood, like I said,
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: on a multi cultural massacre, shooting black brown everyone. You
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: would be like, yo, this nigga's psycho put him down.
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: End of story. Like even if you lived in the
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: Marble universe with all this shit going on, you would
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: be like, yo, I gotta deal with fucking Thado's flipping
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: out and this nigga's out here just shooting niggas. Like, nigga,
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: what you would be on the side of my nucie,
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Because this nigga does not.
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: It's like, whatever, Oh, I killed a dog, so you
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: shoot me in the face. Like what what I mean?
• 42:41
  Speaker 4: You kill a dog, I'm gonna shoot you in the face.
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: It's not an equal and opposite reason. However, this guy
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: has done other murders.
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: I know that. I know that. But again, judge jury
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: and execution, Yeah yeah, you know that ship and that's
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: find me. And once again, this is empowering police because
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: police arena sitt at home when this coming on TV
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: and be like, hell, oh yeah, that's me. That's exactly
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: what I would do, Frank, which is that's.
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: Why when I talk about the basadization, which I'm just like,
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: they're missing it, but they're.
• 43:14
  Speaker 4: Gonna they needed kicking more cops asses, Like why doing ship?
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: It should be constant and it shouldn't be where there's
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: no cops at all, because that's super weird that this
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: ship can just happen and no one shows up.
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: But you also know that that serious neighborhoods that are
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: like that where it's very limited, uh to city services
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: or the cops show and do barely nothing, or they're
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: more scared than anything and pull off.
• 43:38
  Speaker 4: Are they playing the game on their phone?
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: Pulling up and leaving? They literally show that the only
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: thing you saw at the end was the ambulance.
• 43:45
  Speaker 4: That's not a candy Crush. They're playing Candy Crush.
• 43:48
  Speaker 3: You know what I thought was fun was wild to
• 43:50
  Speaker 3: be in New York.
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: There was no helicopters, nothing, no aerial support.
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: Was this is New York. You cannot have one copy.
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: You have to joke the task for show up. You
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: have to chose SWAT team showup because this is fucking
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: New York.
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: That's why I go back to like, are they even
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: sure this was supposed to happen at the same time, Yeah,
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: that's it doesn't.
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: Continuity regular new York, you know, like regular New York
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: has fifty million cops. Superhuman New York is that have
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: fifty million plus.
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: But I will say regular new York if the timeline
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: is to be believed, them regular ass cops are like,
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: oh there's some they don't well again it wasn't.
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: But they don't want it. They're like, a so they've
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: been going up. They paid this main respect. I'm like,
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: the rest of these games is out here. I'll give them.
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: But I will say this what both of y'all have
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: been saying. The constinuity was weird to me. I was
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: a little I was still I'm still a little confused
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: on when this is happening, why it is happening, and
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: the integration into.
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: Like world is this last time?
• 44:55
  Speaker 3: What world? Is this the same universe?
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: And also like like I said, like what happened in Daredevil,
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: like the cops were bastardizing his logo and taking it
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: and doing It's not that they would do, but in
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: this I'm like they was on some other day, was
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: like we out of here, so.
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: What were you about to say?
• 45:14
  Speaker 3: Noah, Y're sorry, but we.
• 45:15
  Speaker 4: Did get a Bronson Jersey.
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: Yes, we did. We did shout out to the Knicks.
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: I shout out of the Lakers on my other video
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: the other day. It's tight, real tight right now. But yeah,
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: Nick's looking good. Yeah.
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: Again, I think it depends on what lens you're looking
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: at this, and if you're just looking this from a
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: purely entertainment viewer lens, it's there.
• 45:38
  Speaker 3: This ship was cool, yeah.
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: Period, cool, good, good seven points if.
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: You are looking at as we're looking at it, because
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: we're looking at this critically and trying to understand, make
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: things make sense, there.
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: Are so many questions.
• 45:54
  Speaker 3: I still like it, but.
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: I still he had a really dope when he I
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: always loved like this, like the Winter Soldier blade flip.
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: There was this he did something with the eight when
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: he reloaded and he like mic So that ship it's
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: like little touches like that, and I'm like, that was hard.
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: That was hard, you know, So that gets me.
• 46:17
  Speaker 4: Yeah, what did you especially for you? What did you
• 46:19
  Speaker 4: think about the music then?
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: What there was music?
• 46:24
  Speaker 4: Yes, there was a scene where they played.
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: Where they played a love strong, they played Danzi. The
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: long was cornball. I hate I thought it was weird.
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: They did the like I don't like that. I don't
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: like the slow jazz, jaz and R and B on something.
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: They played out, super played out, played out.
• 46:43
  Speaker 3: Point so like when they first opened Danzig.
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: That should go hard every time.
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: Okay, well but no, there was another one when I'm
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: talking about the very beginning.
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: It wasn't Danzick. It was that the rock song like Mother, Yeah,
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: that's dancing Mother, Yeah, that game of.
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: The group okay, sorry Mother, Yes. And then when they
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: did like some scream old.
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: Music, they did something that I can't remember the name
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: of the group. It was hate Breed or some bollstered
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: at the end of yeat. That one I wasn't feeling either.
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: The Louis Armstrong Show was cornball to me. That was not.
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: I'm glad you reminded me because when that came on,
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: I was like, come on, you're.
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: But I didn't really think about it, right. I was
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: just like, what's happening on screen?
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: Because I me too, because the violence was dope.
• 47:26
  Speaker 4: Like you know, I watched ubtitles, so I like cash
• 47:29
  Speaker 4: onto those.
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: Did you like the music?
• 47:34
  Speaker 4: Yes and no it was a little no. I think
• 47:37
  Speaker 4: like you said, like it was a little distracting and
• 47:42
  Speaker 4: I kind of would more so rather like a score.
• 47:46
  Speaker 3: Than like rather score wrong. It was very much on
• 47:49
  Speaker 3: the nose.
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because Mother is used so much too.
• 47:53
  Speaker 4: That's one of them songs that they Yeah, I can
• 47:55
  Speaker 4: see what you're saying about the Louis Armstrong, Like that's
• 47:58
  Speaker 4: been done, like we they'll do slow mo and like
• 48:00
  Speaker 4: change the music where it makes no sense. Like, yes,
• 48:03
  Speaker 4: it was cool, but then at the same time, it's
• 48:05
  Speaker 4: like it's been done a thousand times doubt.
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: And that was my problem with a lot of it,
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: like even the violence. Like you said it was Raid,
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: but Raid light. I saw some John Witch shots and shots,
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: so it was like overall, I wasn't mad at it,
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: but I would go watch those other things first, you know,
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: I'd be like, let me go watch the Raid again if.
• 48:23
  Speaker 4: Yeah, made me want to watch the radio, yeah, because
• 48:25
  Speaker 4: I know.
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: Because the Raid still kills this.
• 48:28
  Speaker 4: It's just like I got that on devail Man.
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: There's just too many shots.
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: And like, honestly there are scenes in the Netflix version
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: that kill this, Like oh yeah, but.
• 48:41
  Speaker 3: I you know again, I'm not.
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: I wasn't really making that comparison with the tul but
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: if we're talking about it, sure.
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: I'll never forget yeah, that when there's just one and
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: I think it's a daredevil. When Frank he's tied up
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: to this chair and I can't remember how you get
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: free from the chair, but he grabs his shotgun, cots
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: it with one hand and shoots this dude to the right.
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: He's walking out of the room, and it is like,
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: holy shit, that's the fucking bun I mean right, I
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: mean that.
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: I mean there's stuff that's been done in the in
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: the Netflix stair deevil, you know the one what is it?
• 49:11
  Speaker 3: The continuous shot? Like, yes, you can name a bunch.
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: Of other better done or you know, versions of that,
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: but I still think it was decent.
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: You know, this was decent. This is like I say,
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: if I'm not thinking about anything else, I give it
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: seven five eight, No, seven five, I.
• 49:32
  Speaker 3: Can't hit eight.
• 49:33
  Speaker 4: But after the discussion I can see the seven point five. Yeah,
• 49:37
  Speaker 4: I think a little more critically.
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: But no, if I think critically, this joint drop blowing,
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: and that if I'm just watching it for entertainment values.
• 49:46
  Speaker 4: Entertainment value, I gave it eight.
• 49:48
  Speaker 3: Okay, what is the plan though?
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: So like they're gonna drop this and then what like
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: I mean when I say the plan. I mean, like
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: I had said in the beginning, like it was kind
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: of a reintroduction. It just gives you it's read okay,
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: now what well?
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: That is my last question for both of y'all is
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: how the hell does this work with Brand New Day?
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: Because punish it, I mean I punished with John said
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: in another interview where that he really he understands that
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: these are tonally two different projects, you know, as far
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: part as they can.
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: Is he saying, just this version of him is the
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: one that pops out and ends up in New Brand
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: New Day.
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: Yes, so he's like, you know, he wanted to make
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: sure and they worked with Dustin the director, and both
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: you know, all the projects were working together to make
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: sure that this punisher, this cycle path that we just
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: saw is doing to show up in Brand New Day.
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: I think it's gonna be like too much of what
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: we saw on the trailers, where you're gonna see this angry.
• 50:43
  Speaker 3: Guy, I think, and you know, Peter, it's gonna be
• 50:47
  Speaker 3: his usual joke of yourself like what are you doing?
• 50:49
  Speaker 3: Are you doing? You know, and it's just it's just
• 50:52
  Speaker 3: gonna be what it is, Like.
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: I think he gets served rather quickly and this.
• 50:56
  Speaker 4: Brand new day is like Peter's gonna like website has
• 50:58
  Speaker 4: gone away.
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, like tap him into unconsciousness or something,
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: because yeah, I don't see him being I mean, he's
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: not a threat to Spider Man on any level, you know,
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: but there's no world where he has like especially this
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: version of the Punisher versus Spider Man. There's no way, no.
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: So yeah, I see it working. It's just to be
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: interested in how it works.
• 51:20
  Speaker 4: Oh, Tatiana, to your point about the it basically kind
• 51:24
  Speaker 4: of being like a reintroduction, Like what do you think
• 51:27
  Speaker 4: in terms of like people that didn't I mean, I
• 51:30
  Speaker 4: was obsessed with the Netflix series. I watched everything, but
• 51:32
  Speaker 4: maybe for people that didn't watch that, they could probably
• 51:35
  Speaker 4: just literally jump into this. Like they even showed the
• 51:38
  Speaker 4: the one batch two batch book that his daughter was reading,
• 51:41
  Speaker 4: and that's like the phrase he always says. So I
• 51:43
  Speaker 4: feel like they try to put like little Easter eggs
• 51:45
  Speaker 4: in there. Yeah, where for new people I guess that
• 51:49
  Speaker 4: want to get I mean everyone should know the Punisher,
• 51:52
  Speaker 4: but if you don't know the Punisher, you're kind of
• 51:55
  Speaker 4: like an introductory way to show like the little things
• 51:57
  Speaker 4: that make him.
• 51:59
  Speaker 2: Hey, I think whether or not. This was just a
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: passion project for John or it was purposefully meant to
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: be that entry point. This is what's gonna it's gonna
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: serve as it's gonna be. People say, I'm not here
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: to watch two three seasons of whatever the fun happened
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: on Netflix. Tell me who this guy is. Go watch
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: this forty five minute one shot. Now you know who
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: Punisher is. Go watch spider Man.
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it feels like less of a well I think
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: the passion was I want to get paid today, devil. Yeah,
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: there it is. It feels like, y'all, I didn't but you.
• 52:31
  Speaker 3: Said he bag to write, to write this and do
• 52:34
  Speaker 3: this like he was.
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: There's a lot to it, like because I.
• 52:36
  Speaker 3: Don't even like, did he write everything?
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: You know, him and him and the writer, him and
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: the director did write this together.
• 52:42
  Speaker 3: Okay, allegedly who directed this? Do you know?
• 52:45
  Speaker 4: Oh the director's name was so familiar.
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: Crap.
• 52:49
  Speaker 3: Well, as we keep talking, we'll figure this out.
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: But the part is like he left Born Again Ronaldo
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: Ronaldo somebody I can remember his last name, but he
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: left Born Again and because he said they weren't doing
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: it right when they first did it, you know, and
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: he was like yo, y'all messing this up. So I
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: think him leaving was one of the big things where
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: they went back to the original showrunners and they you know,
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: they got to punish the showrunner. That's who's doing Born
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: Again now. So that's what brought him back. They redid
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: it and that's who's doing.
• 53:17
  Speaker 4: That's why it was nice and violent.
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: Yes, and but I do feel like he was like, yo,
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: now that we got this throwing and born against drowing,
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: I want to make sure the new audience, you know,
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: the Born Again audience who might not know me, let
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: me get this popping again and get this money. You know.
• 53:34
  Speaker 4: So this is interesting. He's the director of Bob Marley OneLove.
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: Yes, what yep? Okay.
• 53:40
  Speaker 4: I was like, I know, I recognized him. I interviewed him.
• 53:44
  Speaker 3: I guess you have range.
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: But yeah, so there it is. So I think this
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: was like a passion because he loves the character and
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: he wanted to reintroduce it and possibly get a new
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: season popping out of it.
• 53:54
  Speaker 3: And that's why you said money.
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, definitely money, money, fam money, the money, you
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: know what I mean, cocaine.
• 54:01
  Speaker 2: Cheap, Ronaldo Marcus screen a brother, a brother, hen Bronx
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: New York.
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: Okay, New York.
• 54:10
  Speaker 3: He did King Richard as well. Ye, we own the
• 54:12
  Speaker 3: City Monsters and Men.
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and we owned the City.
• 54:15
  Speaker 3: Which boy made three episodes. Three episodes.
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we owned this city was one of them joints.
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: I watched the pilot and I was like, Nope, this
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: is dark. Like I'm not going any further on that.
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: That was. That was and that's like it's a lot.
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: It starts off with some cops. Baron was a cop
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: and they're chasing some drug dealers whatever in the high
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: speed chase. I think it's in New York and they
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: hit an elderly black man walking across the street or
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: they hit his car one or the other. It was, yeah,
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: they killed him. And so it was like, O don't
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: know this is yeah, so.
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: This I thought it was a passion project because he
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: was very passionate to teach Nadia how to do the cokelon.
• 54:51
  Speaker 4: Yes, I show you.
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean. That's all I'm saying, folks, Look, look,
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean.
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: All right, don't wait to close it out? Like, would
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: you recommend people watch what is it?
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: Now?
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: It's called ass kill, which ain't like, which is like
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: it's literally a set up for for thousands of kills
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: to come.
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: So he murdered so many people in this one. If
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: it was like, you know, he's doing for the one
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: person he missed out on, I could understand that. But
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: it was like, no, he didn't even get my nutie,
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: the one person he missed out on, like.
• 55:26
  Speaker 4: Another.
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: That's another reason why I didn't realize it was the
• 55:28
  Speaker 2: one shot, because it didn't. They didn't use one shot Moniker.
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: They said special presentation.
• 55:33
  Speaker 3: I was like, okay, yeah, maybe that was like his.
• 55:38
  Speaker 4: I don't know moral compass.
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: Let me want to kill on my compass like you
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: Now I can go back.
• 55:44
  Speaker 2: Kill this past version, and now I've been reincarnated to
• 55:50
  Speaker 2: the to.
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: The to the new fate.
• 55:51
  Speaker 3: I got my fate who.
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: Was to kill or I killed the oldver there it
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: is I killed. I killed that soft ass punisher who
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: the worst one?
• 56:05
  Speaker 2: Kill that crying as he's the worst.
• 56:09
  Speaker 3: I had to wake up his legs. It took him
• 56:11
  Speaker 3: to be on.
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: Fire standing there watching it.
• 56:15
  Speaker 2: He was asleep and so like even watching his neighbor
• 56:18
  Speaker 2: get assaulted.
• 56:20
  Speaker 3: He was and what thought he was on fire where
• 56:23
  Speaker 3: he said, this.
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: Time it's me, I'm I'm him. You're right, he didn't.
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: He was sitting there watching them get assaulted. This man
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: is not a hero, well, I guess.
• 56:40
  Speaker 3: And he needed that.
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: He needed the ghosts and that little echo, the little
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: girl saying help for him to be like because remember
• 56:46
  Speaker 2: he was choosing that last part. He was choosing between
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: chasing after Ma my new chi or going back to
• 56:53
  Speaker 2: helping quote the neighborhood, that the same neighborhood that he helped
• 56:56
  Speaker 2: the sendate to care again.
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: A gun would have solved his problems or mind.
• 57:00
  Speaker 2: It's funny, but listen, he is both the problem and
• 57:03
  Speaker 2: the solution which.
• 57:06
  Speaker 3: Everything that's sending into chaos.
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: I'm saying he could have picked up a gun off
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: the street with there are plenty at that point, shot
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: my new SHEI and save dude like it would have
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: been no problem. Some classic awesome powers. I have a
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: gut upstairs, Dad, I can run up there. We can
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: shoot them together. It'll be fun.
• 57:28
  Speaker 3: I remember that scene.
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: I love that's that's one of my favorite lines at all.
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: We can shoot them together, It'll be fun. Please let
• 57:40
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• 57:42
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• 57:44
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• 57:56
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• 57:59
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• 58:05
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• 58:08
  Speaker 1: It is. Congratulations though, you know what I mean. Lop,
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