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Ian Watkins from Lostprophets: A Nu Metal Monster in the So-Called “Monster Mansion” · DISGRACELAND

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  Speaker 1: This episode contains content that may be disturbing to some listeners.
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  Speaker 1: Please check the show notes for more information. Disgraceland is
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  Speaker 1: a production of Double Elvis. The story about Ian Watkins
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  Speaker 1: from Lost Prophets. It might be the most disturbing story
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  Speaker 1: that I've come across in all of my music history research.
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  Speaker 1: It involves the sexual abuse of children and at its core,
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  Speaker 1: a monstrous abuse of power and fame. But as is
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  Speaker 1: the case with a lot of great stories, an unlikely
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  Speaker 1: hero emerges in this one one who authorities ignored in
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  Speaker 1: favor of protecting their own, one who authorities laughed off
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  Speaker 1: in order to preserve some hometown pride, and one who
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  Speaker 1: may have saved countless children from the designs of a monster.
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  Speaker 1: A monster, Ian Watkins from a band Lost Prophets, who
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  Speaker 1: made music not particularly interesting music by my ears, and
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  Speaker 1: certainly not great music, similar in its lack of greatness
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  Speaker 1: to the music that I played for you at the
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  Speaker 1: top of this show. That wasn't great music either. That
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  Speaker 1: was a preset loop for my melotron called Richard Burton's
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  Speaker 1: Monster Mash MK two. I played you that loop because
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  Speaker 1: I can't afford the rights to we are never ever
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  Speaker 1: getting back together, And why would I play you that
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  Speaker 1: specific slice of pre Travis Cheese? Could I afford it?
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  Speaker 1: Because that was the number one song in America on
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  Speaker 1: September twenty one, twenty twelve, and that was the day
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  Speaker 1: that Ian Watkins was arrested, an event that revealed to
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  Speaker 1: everyone the depths of this rock stars depravity depraved behavior
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  Speaker 1: so dark and so extreme that to this day it's
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  Speaker 1: still hard to understand Ian Watkins's life is a rock
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  Speaker 1: star wound up with him doing time in one of
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  Speaker 1: the world's most notorious prisons, a place that housed serial killers,
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  Speaker 1: a place that suited Ian Watkins because it was a
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  Speaker 1: place that they called the Monster Mansion. On this episode
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  Speaker 1: Depravity Abuse, the Monster Mansion, an unlikely hero and a
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  Speaker 1: new metal monster, Ian Watkins from Lost Prophets. I'm Jake
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  Speaker 1: Brennan and this is disgrace Land. It's hard to know
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  Speaker 1: what Ian Watkins, singer of the Welsh new metal band
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  Speaker 1: Lost Prophets, knew or understood about the effects of giving
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  Speaker 1: cocaine to an infant baby. There was, and understandably is,
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  Speaker 1: little information to be found on the subject. You can
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  Speaker 1: find plenty of data about the effects of babies who
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  Speaker 1: were born addicted to cocaine from prenatal use of the
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  Speaker 1: drug by their mothers. These effects include lower birth rate,
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  Speaker 1: smaller head circumference, neurological impairment, and congenital heart defects. But,
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  Speaker 1: like I said, little can be found on what kind
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  Speaker 1: of effects infants demonstrate when given cocaine after birth, because
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  Speaker 1: who would do such a thing Only a monster. Ian
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  Speaker 1: Watkins was this exact type of monster, and he was
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  Speaker 1: hell bent on doing this exact type of atrocious thing.
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  Speaker 1: The question of whether or not cocaine would cause the
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  Speaker 1: infant to behave in a way that would enhance the
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  Speaker 1: sex was what Ian was determined to find out that
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  Speaker 1: he needed to know, and to find out he needed
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  Speaker 1: a baby. Finding a baby would not be a problem,
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  Speaker 1: not for Ian Watkins, because for Ian Watkins there were women,
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  Speaker 1: lots of women, fans of lost prophets, many of them
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  Speaker 1: young mothers who would do anything for the black clad
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  Speaker 1: front man with the shock of angular email bangs that
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  Speaker 1: they all soooned over, and for some this meant agreeing
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  Speaker 1: to give up their children for unspeakable acts of depravity.
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  Speaker 1: These women agreed to do so in the letters that
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  Speaker 1: they wrote to Ian Watkins in their emails and in
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  Speaker 1: their DMS discussions with one woman in particular, detailed the
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  Speaker 1: various ways in which she and the front man were
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  Speaker 1: going to sexually abuse her ten month old son. These
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  Speaker 1: messages are too disturbing to repeat, but just imagine the
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  Speaker 1: literal worst harm a sexual predator can unleash upon an infant,
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  Speaker 1: and you'll be in the ballpark. And if you absolutely
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  Speaker 1: need to know, you can search the text of case
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  Speaker 1: number sixty two CAA, linked from the show notes page
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  Speaker 1: on our website. But I wouldn't advise that explaining this
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  Speaker 1: behavior is nearly impossible, but at least some of it
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  Speaker 1: can be chalked up to the twisted fascination that some
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  Speaker 1: women had with Ian Watkins, who was a bonafide rock
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  Speaker 1: star and during the early and mid odds, Lost Prophets
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  Speaker 1: won a slew of UK music awards, including Best Band
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  Speaker 1: from Kerrang and Best Metal Act from NME. The band
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  Speaker 1: had four top ten albums on the UK album charts,
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  Speaker 1: and it crossed over onto the alternative American charts with
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  Speaker 1: their two thousand and four hit Last Trained Home. By
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  Speaker 1: twenty eleven, Lost Profits had sold nearly four million albums
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  Speaker 1: and Ian Watkins's vocals, stage presence and dark and mysterious
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  Speaker 1: persona were big reasons why. Picture big chunky, corn like
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  Speaker 1: metal rips and high energy UK punk paste energy and
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  Speaker 1: emo vocals sung and screamed by a front man with
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  Speaker 1: looks that many women considered handsome, dressed in low slung
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  Speaker 1: girl jeans, white belt, in tight black T shirt and
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  Speaker 1: an even tighter skull choker clinched around his neck. That
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  Speaker 1: was Ian Watkins that was lost profits at the moment
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  Speaker 1: sometime around two thousand and eight, that dude Ian Watkins
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  Speaker 1: wasn't on stage. Instead, he was in a dark drug
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  Speaker 1: den of his own making, littered with the paraphernalia needed
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  Speaker 1: to ingest the wide array of drugs Watkins indulged in
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  Speaker 1: on a regular basis. The spoon and syringe for the
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  Speaker 1: heroine that he not only injected into himself, but injected
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  Speaker 1: into lovers as a manifestation of his sexual aggression. For
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  Speaker 1: the cocaine, there were the bendles and the dirty dollar
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  Speaker 1: bills strewn about to snort the stimulant which fueled the
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  Speaker 1: singer's craving to push his sexual boundaries. And there was
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  Speaker 1: the puki, the bubble oil burner, whatever you wanted to
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  Speaker 1: call it. It was used to smoke crystal mess. And
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  Speaker 1: then there were the grimy cups with their insides poked
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  Speaker 1: with hardened crystals from mostly dissolved GHB, the drug that
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  Speaker 1: Walkins used to fuel his near constant quest for euphoria.
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  Speaker 1: All of it defined how Ian Walkins spent his days
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  Speaker 1: in between gigs, high or chasing a high that would
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  Speaker 1: supercharge his depraved sexual fantasies. At the moment, he had
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  Speaker 1: a month's long plan to use cocaine to ply an
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  Speaker 1: infant sexually so that he could Okay, so this is
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  Speaker 1: uncharted territory for me as a storyteller. I'm not sure
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  Speaker 1: how to spell out in the style of this podcast. Anyways,
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  Speaker 1: the depths of Ian Watkins's crimes. So you're gonna have
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  Speaker 1: to bear with me on the telling of this tale
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  Speaker 1: as I proceed with caution. The truth of this particularly
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  Speaker 1: disturbing part of the story, which is crucial to understanding
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  Speaker 1: what Ian Watkins did and how he was eventually brought
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  Speaker 1: to justice, is that, incredibly, the Lost Profits singer was
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  Speaker 1: putting together a plan to rape an infant, and he
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  Speaker 1: was going to use cocaine for reasons that I still
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  Speaker 1: don't fully understand to help him do this, and the
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  Speaker 1: cocaine wasn't just for him again, it was for the
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  Speaker 1: infant to infants, actually two babies that belonged to two
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  Speaker 1: different women, both fans of the Lost Profits singer, both
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  Speaker 1: complicit in this crime. As for the more normal fans
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  Speaker 1: of Lost Profits, in their defense, aside from a couple
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  Speaker 1: shady interviews with the band in which Ian Watkins coyly
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  Speaker 1: alludes to a darker side, there was little in the
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  Speaker 1: band's history, both on and off record, that would point
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  Speaker 1: to this type of behavior from the band's frontman. So
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  Speaker 1: we can't point fingers at Ian Walkins's bandmates, and most don't.
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  Speaker 1: Members of Lost Profits have gone on to continue their
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  Speaker 1: careers in the music industry. One bass player, Stuart Richardson,
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  Speaker 1: toured with Thursday last year, and Elon Rubin, who for
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  Speaker 1: Lost Profits at one point, now plays in the Foo Fighters.
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  Speaker 1: On stage, Lost Profits promoted a concept Ian called Megalles
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  Speaker 1: lolls as in all the laugh out louds. It was
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  Speaker 1: as stupid as it sounds, but yes, it took off.
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  Speaker 1: By twenty ten, the Megalles catchphrase was synonymous with the
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  Speaker 1: band itself. It meant I gathered to take nothing seriously,
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  Speaker 1: a sort of millennial manifestation of new metal indifference, drug sex,
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  Speaker 1: rock and roll and not giving a fuck. Lost Profits
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  Speaker 1: performed in front of a giant Megalles banner at their
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  Speaker 1: main stage appearances at the Retting and Leeds festivals in
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  Speaker 1: twenty ten. They emblazoned T shirts with the catchphrase and
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  Speaker 1: hawked them to their fans and giggle the phrase out
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  Speaker 1: of their shit eating grins and interviews with the rock press.
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  Speaker 1: The goal of Lost Profits was to obtain fame by
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  Speaker 1: not giving a fuck, and the goal of their singer,
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  Speaker 1: Ian Watkins, was to use that fame to con unspeakable
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  Speaker 1: acts of sexual abuse against miners and again. Two women,
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  Speaker 1: two fans, were working with Ian Watkins, the rock star,
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  Speaker 1: to devise a plan to use cocaine to help him
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  Speaker 1: rape their infant children. I use the word rock star
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  Speaker 1: intentionally because Ian Watkins knew that without his rock star status,
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  Speaker 1: none of the depravity he hoped to achieve would be possible.
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  Speaker 1: The identities of the two women who conspire tired with
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  Speaker 1: Ian Watkins are still unknown. Their identities are kept secret,
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  Speaker 1: primarily to protect the anonymity of their children. Who are
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  Speaker 1: the victims here? These two mothers, essentially groupies of Ian Watkins,
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  Speaker 1: are known only as B in p B as in
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  Speaker 1: Brianna and P as in Phoebe, which is what we're
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  Speaker 1: going to call them for the purposes of this episode,
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  Speaker 1: Brianna and Phoebe. Before Brianna and Phoebe and the planned
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  Speaker 1: sexual abuse of their babies, there were other girls, other groupies,
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  Speaker 1: other victims, sixteen year olds, one whom the courts called
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  Speaker 1: t T and another was kJ. T T was just sixteen,
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  Speaker 1: a vergin. Ian Watkins dressed her up in a schoolgirl uniform.
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  Speaker 1: Court documents detailed the video he made of himself degrading
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  Speaker 1: TT after taking her virginity with extreme acts of sexual violence.
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  Speaker 1: As for kJ, the court docs are not any less graphic.
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  Speaker 1: kJ All sixteen was plied sexually by Ian Watkins with cocaine.
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  Speaker 1: As with TT, the act was captured on video. Degrading
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  Speaker 1: children sexually was a pattern that Ian Watkins evidently established
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  Speaker 1: back in two thousand and eight. But back to Brianna
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  Speaker 1: and Phoebe. Ian Watkins met Brianna in twenty eleven, and
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  Speaker 1: I have to jump ahead here in the story to
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  Speaker 1: clear something up as this story progresses, you will hear
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  Speaker 1: how the monster, Ian Watkins was eventually caught, charged, convicted,
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  Speaker 1: and served justice. Now there is no mystery to how
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  Speaker 1: this story ends, but it needs to be said now
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  Speaker 1: that Ian Watkins was officially convicted of conspiring to sexually
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  Speaker 1: assault children. However, the video detailed in the official court
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  Speaker 1: documents proves that Ian Watkins absolutely, one hundred percent did
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  Speaker 1: indeed sexually assault children, including a baby Brianna's baby boy,
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  Speaker 1: who she brought to the ky West Hotel in London
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  Speaker 1: on April second, twenty twelve and presented to Ian Watkins
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  Speaker 1: for the purposes of sex. The horrific abuse that followed
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  Speaker 1: was discovered on video. As for Phoebe, court documents reveal
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  Speaker 1: text messages with Phoebe pledging hers and her baby daughter's
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  Speaker 1: lives to Ian Watkins. After Watkins texted Phoebe, if you
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  Speaker 1: belong to me, so does your baby. Phoebe responded with understandable.
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  Speaker 1: A mother daughter slave duo worshiping you. Watkins replied with
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  Speaker 1: that's all she'll know, a life of filth. The text
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  Speaker 1: thread then devolves into the rock star and the groupie
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  Speaker 1: discussing the merits of fallatio with infants, using drugs to
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  Speaker 1: ease the sexual friction with infants and forcing them into
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  Speaker 1: acts of best reality. The evidence incredibly extends beyond conspiring
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  Speaker 1: to actual photographic images and Skype video of Phoebe abusing
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  Speaker 1: her daughter for the pleasure of Ian Watkins. The events
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  Speaker 1: I just described took place in twenty twelve, but back
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  Speaker 1: in two thousand and eight, Ian Walkins girlfriend at the time,
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  Speaker 1: Joanne Magelix, discovered that the rock star she was dating
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  Speaker 1: was sick in a way that was beyond belief. The
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  Speaker 1: saga with Joanne started back in two thousand and six
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  Speaker 1: with the DM you Up. Not only was Joanne up,
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  Speaker 1: Joanne was down. She was infatuated with Ian Watkins from
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  Speaker 1: Lost Prophets, so being on the receiving end of a
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  Speaker 1: direct message from him was just about the most thrilling
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  Speaker 1: thing that could have happened to the twenty nine year
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  Speaker 1: old from Doncaster in South Yorkshire back in two thousand
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  Speaker 1: and six, and Joanne quickly fell for Ian. A relationship began,
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  Speaker 1: but it wasn't long before her new famous rock star
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  Speaker 1: boyfriends depravity became clear to her. Sometime around two thousand
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  Speaker 1: and eight, Ian Walkins told Joanna Maagelix that he was
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  Speaker 1: going to rape a base be of an obsessed fan,
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  Speaker 1: saying that his fans would allow him to do this,
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  Speaker 1: that they would quote do anything for him. It was
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  Speaker 1: in December of two thousand and eight when Joanne went
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  Speaker 1: to police in South Wales and reported her famous boyfriend,
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  Speaker 1: but she didn't leave him and nothing happened. In April
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  Speaker 1: two thousand and nine, Joanne went back to South Wales
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  Speaker 1: authorities to inquire about the investigation. She was told by
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  Speaker 1: police that any investigation into the local frontman Ian Wontkins
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  Speaker 1: for sexual assault upon children had been dropped. By twenty ten,
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  Speaker 1: Ian Watkins had shown Joanne abhorrent videos of children and
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  Speaker 1: animals being abused sexually. It is believed that it was
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  Speaker 1: sometime in and around these events when Joanne left Ian
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  Speaker 1: but maintained some contact in order to gather evidence against him.
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  Speaker 1: It was Joanne's contention that if Welsh authorities weren't going
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  Speaker 1: to do anything about the monster fronting lost profits, then
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  Speaker 1: she would have to do it on her own. In
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  Speaker 1: twenty eleven, Joanne emailed the Association of Chief Police Officers
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  Speaker 1: to allege that Watkins was raping a child and Joanne
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  Speaker 1: also contends that in twenty eleven, she kept up efforts
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  Speaker 1: to gather evidence from me and Watkins, playing the part
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  Speaker 1: of the co conspirator with him. In one text to
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  Speaker 1: Watkins from that year, she wrote, part of me feels
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  Speaker 1: you get off on showing me stuff you can get
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  Speaker 1: away with, knowing that is what I've wanted since forever.
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  Speaker 1: Joanne signed off on another message to Union child Molesters
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  Speaker 1: till we die again. Joanne Magulix contends that this behavior
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  Speaker 1: was done in some sort of undercover effort to bring
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  Speaker 1: forth more evidence against Ian Watkins. It should be noted
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  Speaker 1: again that prior to these texts, Joanne had already gone
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  Speaker 1: to the police numerous times and was essentially ignored. Police
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  Speaker 1: later claimed their indifference towards Joanne's allegations was due to
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  Speaker 1: the fact that Joanne once made money as a sex worker.
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  Speaker 1: Police believed that Joanne was a spurn lover and that
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  Speaker 1: her allegations against the local rock star were fabricated because
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  Speaker 1: he had upset her. One officer said to Joanne, he
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  Speaker 1: must really have upset you. But Joanne wouldn't be denied.
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  Speaker 1: She pressed on. She filmed herself opening images on her
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  Speaker 1: laptop that Ian Watkins had sent to her graphic images
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  Speaker 1: of a girl under sixteen being abused, and she brought
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  Speaker 1: those to the police. Still, incredibly, the police did nothing.
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  Speaker 1: They claimed the girl in the video was of age.
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  Speaker 1: How the hell would they know? Why didn't the authorities
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  Speaker 1: at least investigate the video further to confirm the age
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  Speaker 1: of the girl in the video. Joanne didn't know the
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  Speaker 1: answer to that, so she took it a step further.
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  Speaker 1: In the fall of twenty twelve, Joanne Magelix got wind
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  Speaker 1: of Ian Watkins's plan with one of the mothers. He
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  Speaker 1: was conspiring with, either Brianna or Phoebe, and this time
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  Speaker 1: Joanne called a different set of authorities, Child Services, to
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  Speaker 1: understand the wall the joym Majelicks repeatedly ran into with
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  Speaker 1: their efforts to bring attention to Ian Watkins's crimes. You
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  Speaker 1: have to understand what Ian Watkins's band Lost Profits meant
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  Speaker 1: to the city of Cardiff into South Wales. Lost Prophets
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  Speaker 1: were hometown heroes. They were a band on the rise
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  Speaker 1: and there was no ceiling in sight. They sold millions
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  Speaker 1: of records and their faces were all over the television
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  Speaker 1: in the UK videos, interviews, festival appearances and seemingly NonStop
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  Speaker 1: appearances at music awards shows. Lost Profits were an immense
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  Speaker 1: source of pride for their hometown. Aside from superfurry animals
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  Speaker 1: or Budgy. Bands of Consequence didn't really come out of
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  Speaker 1: South Wales, and unless you were part of a super
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  Speaker 1: niche subset of nineties britpop, you didn't really care about
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  Speaker 1: superfurry animals, And unless you were in Metallica or obsessed
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  Speaker 1: with obscure European metal from the seventies, you had no
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  Speaker 1: idea who Budgy was. But he totally should check out
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  Speaker 1: the song Guts from their nineteen seventy one self titled
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  Speaker 1: full length because it absolutely grews. But I digress. The
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  Speaker 1: point is that Lost Profits, aside from actress Catherine Zeta Jones,
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  Speaker 1: were the biggest thing to come out of South Wales
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  Speaker 1: since Elizabeth Taylor's fifth and sixth husband Richard Burton, and
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  Speaker 1: the authorities weren't especially interested in women making claims of
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  Speaker 1: sexual abuse against their frontman until the evidence of Ian
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  Speaker 1: Watkins's drug use became too obvious to ignore and authorities
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  Speaker 1: were forced to raid his home on September twenty first,
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  Speaker 1: twenty twelve. Ian Watkins's home in Pontyprid, South Wales, was raided.
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  Speaker 1: It should be noted that police were acting not solely
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  Speaker 1: on information, if at all, from Joanne Magleick's. Instead, they're
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  Speaker 1: acting on a drug warrant. Nonetheless, when they found Ian
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  Speaker 1: Watkins's laptop inside of his home, the intelligence officers who
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  Speaker 1: eventually cracked into it did so by typing in the
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  Speaker 1: password I kids, We'll be right back after this. We're we're, We're.
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  Speaker 1: The contents of Ian Watkins's laptop confirmed Joanne Maglik's worst fears.
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  Speaker 1: What authorities found was jarring and beyond belief, twenty seven
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  Speaker 1: terabytes of data, including the most severe and extreme acts
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  Speaker 1: of sexual abuse, babies and dogs being defiled, young children, fans,
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  Speaker 1: a fourteen year old being sexually abused by Ian, split
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  Speaker 1: screen footage of Ian and Phoebe molesting her infant child,
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  Speaker 1: with Ian referring to them both as his slave duo.
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  Speaker 1: By the end of twenty twelve, the singer of Lost
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  Speaker 1: Prophets was arrested behind bars in Cardiff, Wales, an awaiting
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  Speaker 1: trial on charges of conspiracy to engage in sexual activity
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  Speaker 1: with a one year old, in possession and or distribution
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  Speaker 1: of indecent images of children in extreme animal pornography. In
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  Speaker 1: early twenty thirteen, incredibly, Joanne Majlis was also arrested as
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  Speaker 1: the investigation into Ian Watkins expanded. With the news of
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  Speaker 1: their frontman's arrest, Lost Profits issued a statement expressing that
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  Speaker 1: no one in the band had any clue what Ian
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  Speaker 1: Watkins was up to and that all were in a
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  Speaker 1: state of shock over the revelation. Later that year, authorities
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  Speaker 1: continued their investigation into Joanne, believing that the one time
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  Speaker 1: girlfriend of Ian Watkins was guilty of similar crimes, when
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  Speaker 1: in reality it was Joanne who had been trying to
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  Speaker 1: get the police to investigate walkins. By July of twenty thirteen,
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  Speaker 1: a trial date was set for Ian Watkins, but there
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  Speaker 1: would be no time. Ian Watkins pleaded guilty to attempted
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  Speaker 1: rape and sexual assault of a child under thirteen, but
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  Speaker 1: not to rain. Authorities accepted the plea, incredibly, ignoring the
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  Speaker 1: video evidence that literally showed Ian Watkins raping children again
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: a one year old. For his plea, Ian Waltkins received
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  Speaker 1: a lighter sentence and in twenty thirteen was sent away
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  Speaker 1: for a twenty nine year prison term with parole eligibility.
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  Speaker 1: After eighteen years. In the year twenty thirty one, Brianna
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  Speaker 1: and Phoebe were sentenced to fourteen and seventeen years, and
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  Speaker 1: by my count, one of them will be released next year.
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  Speaker 1: In twenty twenty seven. With Ian Watkins behind bars, authorities
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: then turned their attention fully to convicting joe An Maglick's who, incredibly,
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: up until a year prior, had been the one person
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: working hard to stop Ian Watkins's crimes. Joanne, in January
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  Speaker 1: twenty fourteen, was formally charged with four counts of possession
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  Speaker 1: of indecent images, two counts of distributing an indecent image,
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  Speaker 1: and one count of encouraging another to distribute an indecent image.
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  Speaker 1: Just before this, lost Prophets formally announced that they would
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: no longer continue as a band. Joyanne Maglix fought for
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: her freedom in court. She claimed that she kept any
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: illicit sexual imagery in her possession for which she was
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: being charged only in an attempt to gather evidence against
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: Ian Watkins, again for crimes that authorities at the time
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: seemed almost entirely disinterested in. In court, the evidence of
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: some pretty damning explicit online conversations between Joanne and Ian
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  Speaker 1: came up and Joanne claimed she spoke that way to
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  Speaker 1: play along with Ian in an effort to trap him.
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  Speaker 1: The jury also heard about Joanne first going to authorities
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  Speaker 1: in two thousand and eight. He also heard about Joanne
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  Speaker 1: inquiring into the investigation again with authorities in two thousand
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  Speaker 1: and nine, About Joanne writing to the Chief Constable of
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  Speaker 1: the South Wales Police in twenty eleven, and how the
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: Chief Constable didn't offer any help, about the officer claiming
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  Speaker 1: that the evidence that Joanne was then showing them, the
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: evidence that she was now being charged with being in
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  Speaker 1: possession of, which was a video of Ian Watkins having
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: sex with a child, About how when she initially brought
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: that video to the police, that the police did nothing
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  Speaker 1: about it because the police then believed that the girl
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: Ian Watkins was having sex with on video was of age.
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  Speaker 1: But now the police were changing their tune. No, she
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  Speaker 1: was a child, and you, joe Anne Majelix, had video
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  Speaker 1: of sex with that child, so now we're trying to
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  Speaker 1: put you in jail for it. Back then, when we
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: could have done something about stopping the man conducting the
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: rape on the video, we did nothing, and that man
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: was allowed to remain free and continue raping children. But
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: now we feel bad about all that, so we're saying
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: the exact opposite and trying to put you in prison,
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: because well, that's how life works sometimes when you're in
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: positions of authority and have to cover your ass. I
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: guess so sorry, Joanne. The jury was then told how
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: Joanne took the incredible step of dragging one of Ian
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: Watkins's accomplices, either be or P, Brianna or Phoebe, down
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  Speaker 1: to the police headquarters herself and explained to the police
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  Speaker 1: that she and Ian Watkins again be or P, not Joanna,
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  Speaker 1: that be or P and Ian were planning on raping
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: her baby, and the cops essentially laughed the incident off,
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: saying to Joanne that Ian Watkins must have really upset you.
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  Speaker 1: They could have arrested Joanne on the spot for attempted
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: murder because she replied, I'll put a bullet in his
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: head to stop him from doing it. After that, things
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: spiraled for Joanne. She overdosed numerous times. She even tried
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: faking her own death to put herself out of reach
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: from Ian Watkins. Still, she would not be denied. The
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: court heard about how even after all of this. In
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: twenty twelve, Joe Maagulis called Child Services to report Ian
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: Watkins's crimes. On January fourteenth, twenty fifteen, Joyne Magulix was
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: acquitted on all charges. She explained to the press that
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: the police were four years too late in their.
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  Speaker 2: Quote, it's been me against the world, really me protecting
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  Speaker 2: the kids when everyone else called me a liar, a psycho? Yea,
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: how many kids could have been saved if they'd have
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: done their job. I please don't want to believe a
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: local hero could be doing such terrific things. They've got
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: to think, Oh, it's a disgruntled ex partner, any excuse?
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: Lie after lie after lie.
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  Speaker 1: And Joyne went on to say I shouldn't be here
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: just for doing the police's job that they couldn't be
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: ours to do. She was right, and she was free,
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: and Ian Watkins was behind bars, and not just in
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: any old prison, and a prison that was as violent
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: and extreme as the images they found on Ian Watkins's laptop,
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: and justice, actual justice, the biblical kind, was about to
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: be served. The prison is older than most countries. It's
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: been housing Britain's worst of the worst since fifteen ninety four.
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: It's officially known as HM Prison, Wakefield, but unofficially everyone
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: one calls it the Monster Mansion because well, there's no
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: better way to describe its prisoners than with the word monster.
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  Speaker 1: There was Harold Shipman aka Doctor Death, one of England's
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: most prolific serial killers. A disgraced doctor who, it's belief
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: murdered between two hundred and two hundred and fifty of
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: his patients. Shipman killed his unsuspecting patients, mostly little old ladies,
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: with lethal injections of heroin. His motives are still unclear,
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: but most believe he killed because the women reminded him
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: of his own mother. After being found guilty in the
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: year two thousand, he was sentenced to life in prison
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: and transferred to the Monster Mansion in two thousand and three.
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: Six months later, he killed himself. And there was Ian Huntley,
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: one of the UK's most despised killers. He murdered two
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: ten year old girls and then tried burning their bodies
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  Speaker 1: to hide the evidence. The search for the two missing
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: girls was national news. Ian's arrest made him infamous. Immediately
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: upon arriving at the Monster Mansion to serve his forty
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: year sentence, he became a target of other prisoners, prisoners
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: who couldn't truck with a criminal, a famous one, especially
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: who abused young kids. They grabbed Ian Huntley in the
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  Speaker 1: hospital wing of the prison, held him down, and doused
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: him with scalding hot, boiling water. You could hear a
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: quick blast of burning, curdling flesh. Huntley was badly injured,
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: but he survived. He also survived another attack afterward, this
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: one a quick slash to the neck with a shive
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: made out of a razor and a toothbrush. Huntley's attacker
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: was a man named Damien Folks, a prisoner who had
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: already killed another child murderer in a separate prison attack.
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: Ian Huntley survived that attack too, but eventually his number
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: came due in the Monster Mansion. On February twenty six,
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: twenty twenty six, while at work in the recycling wing
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  Speaker 1: of the prison, Ian Huntley felt his brain bashing in
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: from the blunt force trauma of a three foot spiked
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: metal pole being swung violently from behind by fellow inmate
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: Anthony Russell. He bashed and bashed and bashed away at
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: Ian Humley's skull until he and Humtley were surrounded by blood.
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: When he was done, he screamed out, I've done it.
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: His exclamation met with a round of cheers from the
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: other inmates. Then there was Robert Maudsley aka Hannibal the Cannibal,
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: England's very own Hannibal Lecter. Maudsley is falsely said to
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: have eaten the brains of his victims, thus the Hannibal
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: Lecter comparison, but this is untrue. All Maudsley did was
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: bludgeon one of his victims to death and left his
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: body with a spoon sticking out of his crushed skull.
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: He did this after being sentenced to the Monster Mansion
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  Speaker 1: to a fellow prisoner and for his crime and for
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: the explosive violence that this prisoner was known for. Robert
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: Maudsley was placed in solitary confinement in a cell made
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: of plexiglass that looks eerily similar to the one Anthony
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: Hopkins's character in Silence of the Lambs occupies. But that's
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: where the similarities between Robert Maudsley and Hannibal Lecter end.
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: Maudsley killed four men on the outside for different reasons
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: than the actual Hannibal the Cannibal killed. Maudsley did it
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: out of a sense of vengeance. The men he was
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: convicted of murdering were pedophiles, and the too many murdered
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: in prison, including the one he left with a spoon
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: sticking out of his skull, were convicted child abusers. Robert
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: Maudsley remains locked up in the Monster Mansion in solitary
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: confinement for fear of what he'll do to his fellow prisoners,
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: particularly the child molesters. The Monster Mansion has another nickname,
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: Peto Palace due to the maximum security prison's high concentration
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: of sex offenders. Nearly two thirds of its population are
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: there for sex crimes. The prisoners who aren't sex offenders
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: are keenly aware of the prisoners who are, and most
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: are hell bent on executing violent vengeance, especially in the
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: past few years. Since twenty twenty five, there has been
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: a seventy two percent rise in violence at the Monster Mansion.
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: As in most prisons, there is a hierarchy. At the
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: Monster Mansion. Pedophiles are considered the scum of the earth,
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: the lowest of the low. Many of the convicted sex
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: offenders are held in what are called vulnerable prison units
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: for their own protection, separated from the rest of the
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: criminal population. It is believed that if held in standard
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: wings with other prisoners that within time they'll be murdered.
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: This is where Ian Watkins was held. However, even though
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: he was housed in a vulnerable prison unit, mixing with
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: the other prisoners from the general population was inevitable. Ian
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: Watkins needed to use the phone. The other prisoners sneered,
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  Speaker 1: but there was little they could do. The guards were
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  Speaker 1: on them, eyes like hawks at the phone bank. Most
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: of the other prisoners knew Ian Watkins's game. He had
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: women calling him regularly, and not just any women, not angry,
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: aggrieved xys and girlfriends looking for answers on how to
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: make it on the outside. Now, Ian Watkins was an
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: ex rock star. He had groupies calling him and blowing
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: him up in his ear, promising him all kinds of
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  Speaker 1: pleasures orally satiating him sexually, and the other prisoners hated
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: him for it. They also hated him for what he
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: did to those kids. Babies, they said, babies. The women
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: on the other end of the phone listened as Ian
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: explained that he didn't understand what the big deal was
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: this whole thing with the child abuse, that it was
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: all just megaloles, something to laugh about Ian Watkins's fellow
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: prisoners weren't laughing, not when they learned that Watkins had
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: amassed a tranche of love letters in his cell from
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: women on the outside, still eager to connect with the
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: disgraced front man. They also learned that Watkins had somehow
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: gotten his hands on a cell phone and was in
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: regular contact with many of these women on the outside.
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: This was the action that they wanted in on, or
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: so Ian Watkins claimed. When the guards found his phone
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: buried in his asshole after a search, Watkins claimed his
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: fellow inmates were forcing him to connect them with his groupies.
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: This was never proven, but it was one more mark
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: against Ian Watkins, the dead man walking. Ian Watkins, not
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: only because of his crimes, but because of the attention
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: from the women on the outside, because of the way
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: he carried himself, because of his unrepentant attitude, was despised
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: as a prisoner. Prisoners, actually those of means like Ian Watkins,
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: will often pay for protection on the inside. In Watkins's case,
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: the prisoners who could protect him the violent street gangsters,
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: the organized crime members, the drug kingpins. They hated Ian
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: Walkins so much that they just took his money and
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: refused to protect him. And what was he, the wormy
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: little ex rock star, going to do about it? He
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: was tormented daily. Every interaction with a fellow inmate was
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: caused for some sort of verbal abuse. It was only
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: a matter of time, they said, and that time came.
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: In twenty twenty three. Ian Watkins lay alone on his
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: cot and his cell. Three men entered slowly. Ian Watkins
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: wasn't going anywhere they wanted it. All money, Ian was
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: rich drugs, Ian was still using women. Ian had a
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: lion on groupies. But Ian Watkins, in reality, had none
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: of those things. And the men beat him sense listen
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: took a toilet brush they'd shaved down into a point
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: and stabbed him in the side. They didn't stop there,
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: and the beating continued, fists, feet, screams. Then the prison
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: siren guards and riot gear shooting stun grenades into the
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: cell to break up the beating. Ian Watkins was alive,
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: barely treated for his wounds, and quickly released back into
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: the pedal wing, but he wouldn't be safe for long.
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: October eleventh, twenty twenty five. They called it the Monster Mansion,
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: but for Ian Watkins, they may as well have dubbed
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: it Fear City, because the fear was now all he knew,
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: and there was no more fame and no more money,
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: and there weren't even any more women to connect with.
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: It was just one second after the other, one second
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: after the other of constant fear. When was the next
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: attack coming? And from where? Who it came from? Did nothing?
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: And there it was justice the final attack. Ian Watkins,
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: singer of Lost Prophets, the convicted pedophile, lay dead on
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: the floor of the Monster Mansion, stabbed to death in
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: a surprise attack by two fellow monsters. Mega lolls, Mega disgrace.
• 37:45
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• 38:02
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• 38:04
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• 38:07
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• 38:15
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• 38:21
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• 38:30
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