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The Late Debate | 18 August · The Late Debate

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the late to be.
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  Speaker 2: Great to have your company. I'm James Macpherson with Joe
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  Speaker 2: Hildebrand and Danika the Georgio who we missed last night.
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  Speaker 3: Are you feeling better this evening?
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  Speaker 4: I am feeling much better. Thank you.
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  Speaker 5: I missed you guys last night, but I heard it
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  Speaker 5: went very very well and it was great to have
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  Speaker 5: different people on.
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  Speaker 3: It's great to have Joe Hildebrand onto this.
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  Speaker 6: It's great to be here. They asked if I could
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  Speaker 6: come on and replace Danika last night, and I said,
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  Speaker 6: nobody can replace Danika.
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  Speaker 5: Thank you for saying that, because James wouldn't say that.
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  Speaker 3: That's absolutely true. Your irreplaceable.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you, Thank you so much, one of a kind.
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  Speaker 5: This is the welcome back that I expected to receive.
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  Speaker 5: Thanks gentlemen.
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  Speaker 2: We know you're irreplaceable because you tell us constantly. All right,
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  Speaker 2: let's get into the program. Is what's coming up? Faith
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  Speaker 2: leaders criticized Pauline Hanson's call for a monoculture and say
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  Speaker 2: the bond I tterror attack should not be used as
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  Speaker 2: a pretext for rejecting multiculturalism. Fewer tourists are traveling down Under.
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  Speaker 2: Australia lost its international appeal whereas everything here just too
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  Speaker 2: expensive for visitors and peanuts on a plane. Should they
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  Speaker 2: be banned? Just how far should we be expected to
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  Speaker 2: go in consideration for other people's allergies. We'll get to
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  Speaker 2: all of that shortly, but at first. The Sydney Swan's
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  Speaker 2: board is meeting tonight to decide sanctions and penalties for
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  Speaker 2: players involved in an incident at a Melbourne hotel in
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  Speaker 2: the early hours of Monday morning. The club released a
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  Speaker 2: statement just a couple of hours ago, saying the club
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  Speaker 2: believes the players are in serious breach of expected club
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  Speaker 2: behavior and standards, and it's appropriate to take firm action
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  Speaker 2: and highlight that any sanction we impose relates solely to
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  Speaker 2: those breaches. The statement noted that we respect there is
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  Speaker 2: an ongoing investigation by Victoria Police and any actions we
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  Speaker 2: take are independent of this. The statement made clear the
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  Speaker 2: club condemns all forms of abuse and disrespectful behavior towards women.
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  Speaker 2: It also said they'd be providing support to the players
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  Speaker 2: involved in what it called the now Long before the
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  Speaker 2: Swans released their statement, everyone from Abbi Chatfield to Victorian
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  Speaker 2: Premier Ben Carroll was having their say, which was curious
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  Speaker 2: because at that point, and even now no charges have
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  Speaker 2: been laid and we still don't know exactly what the
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  Speaker 2: allegation is or who it's against. That didn't give Ben
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  Speaker 2: Carroll pause for thought. However, the Victorian Premier posted this
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  Speaker 2: to Instagram. My thoughts are with the victim. Every young woman,
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  Speaker 2: young girl, every female deserves to be treated with respect
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  Speaker 2: and given the safety they deserve. Now, no one would
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  Speaker 2: disagree with any of that, but talking about a victim
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  Speaker 2: when no charges have been laid and details of the
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  Speaker 2: allegation are still unknown, would seem maybe a little premature.
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  Speaker 2: Couldn't the premier wait for police not to be outdone
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  Speaker 2: respect Victoria CEO Helen Bolton released a statement saying women
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  Speaker 2: are watching, young people are watching, okay, but again no
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  Speaker 2: one yet knows exactly what we're watching for. Police have
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  Speaker 2: talked to people about an incident, but exactly what that
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  Speaker 2: incident is at this point is rumor and innuendo.
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  Speaker 3: And then there was Abbi Chatfield. There's always Abi Chatfield.
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  Speaker 7: How is this going to impact these men's reputations, their
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  Speaker 7: careers and also the game that they play? The game
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  Speaker 7: right now, there is a prioritization of the impact of
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  Speaker 7: this alleged incident will have on the game, the game
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  Speaker 7: where they throw a ball around. That impact is being
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  Speaker 7: prioritized over the impact of this incident could potentially have
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  Speaker 7: had on the alleged victim.
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  Speaker 2: Seriously, I don't think anyone disputes that a crime of
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  Speaker 2: sexual assault would be far more important than the Sydney
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  Speaker 2: Swan's football fortunes. But right now the only thing people
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  Speaker 2: can really talk about are the Swan's football fortunes because
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  Speaker 2: at present everything else is pure speculation, innuendo and rumor.
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  Speaker 2: Is it too much to expect everyone to just cool
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  Speaker 2: their jets until police actually allege a crime.
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  Speaker 5: Deneaker, absolutely, because I think that there is a broad
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  Speaker 5: understanding that everybody is innocent until proven guilty in this country.
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  Speaker 5: Yet we've got the likes of Abbi Chatfield as well
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  Speaker 5: as other influencers, just jumping on as they all do,
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  Speaker 5: carrying on. But what really irks me, and obviously we
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  Speaker 5: have to be careful what we say here because these
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  Speaker 5: are allegations at this point, but I'm just talking more broadly.
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  Speaker 5: What irks me the most about women like Abbi Chatfield
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  Speaker 5: is they're all willing to stand up for certain women,
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  Speaker 5: but not for other women were where were the likes
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  Speaker 5: of Abbi Chatfield when women were being raped by Harmas,
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  Speaker 5: when Jewish women were being raped by Hermas, or when
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  Speaker 5: the ABC did that awful skit, you know, wanting to
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  Speaker 5: sodomize Gina Reinhart.
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  Speaker 4: Where were they then? Nowhere to be seen.
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  Speaker 5: It's always this hypocritical notion by the left. The other
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  Speaker 5: thing is is you've got influences saying, oh, well, the
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  Speaker 5: reporting of this has been an absolute disaster.
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  Speaker 4: How dare they talk about the game?
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  Speaker 5: Well, what do you expect these reporters to do. We're
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  Speaker 5: talking about everyday general sports reporters. Their job is to
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  Speaker 5: report on the game and whether Abby Chatfield and co.
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  Speaker 5: Like it or not, this will indeed have an impact
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  Speaker 5: on the Sydney Swans season, no matter what occurs, no
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  Speaker 5: matter what happens from here on in. Obviously the Sydney
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  Speaker 5: Swans are meeting to discuss it. We will hopefully know
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  Speaker 5: something in the next twenty four hours. But what do
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  Speaker 5: they expect? And that would be my question in all
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  Speaker 5: of this. As for Ben Carroll, well, what a perfect opportunity.
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  Speaker 4: For him, of course, to try and buy the women vote.
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  Speaker 5: That's all this was and it just reminded me of
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  Speaker 5: his predecessors into Alan when she stepped down and she
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  Speaker 5: blamed men for taking her out. It's just typical of
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  Speaker 5: the left that it is a very opportunistic way to
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  Speaker 5: try and buy the women vote, to always play the
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  Speaker 5: women card. And as a woman myself, it bothers me
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  Speaker 5: to no.
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  Speaker 8: End, believe it or not.
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  Speaker 6: And I've spent a bit of time thinking about this,
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  Speaker 6: and I spoke to Made of Mine in Melbourne about it,
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  Speaker 6: and the irony is that Abby Chatfield actually completely misses
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  Speaker 6: the point and actually is reading from the wrong side
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  Speaker 6: of what is actually supposed to be quite a progressive
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  Speaker 6: and forward thinking approach to exactly these types of issues.
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  Speaker 6: Now in the old days, people would have said, well,
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  Speaker 6: what happens off the field is off the field, and
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  Speaker 6: you know, and you know, sure, you know, that's terrible,
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  Speaker 6: but it's got nothing to do with you. Sure he
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  Speaker 6: might have committed sexual assault, but he's a great footballer.
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  Speaker 6: Talking about previous kind of scandals and what has been
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  Speaker 6: happening in recent decades has been a very deliberate attempt
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  Speaker 6: by both codes, both major codes, the AFL and the
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  Speaker 6: NRL to make sure that if you disgrace yourself off
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  Speaker 6: the field, your career, your playing time will suffer. There
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  Speaker 6: will be consequences on the field for what you do
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  Speaker 6: off the field. So the fact that people fans are
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  Speaker 6: talking about worried about what this will do for the
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  Speaker 6: Swan's finals chances, for example, is exactly this kind of
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  Speaker 6: thing that was deliberately put there to try to stop
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  Speaker 6: players from behaving like this to women, especially off the field.
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  Speaker 6: And so that is what we want because you can
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  Speaker 6: guarantee if as in other cases, and again, we don't
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  Speaker 6: even know what's happened here. So again, how much Abby
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  Speaker 6: Chatfield wants us to say about the victim in this
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  Speaker 6: case when we don't even know who she is or
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  Speaker 6: what is alleged to have happened to her, or if
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  Speaker 6: indeed she is a victim, because that has not been
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  Speaker 6: proven yet, let alone the allegations revealed. So what on
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  Speaker 6: earth she wants people to go around saying I don't know?
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  Speaker 6: But clearly, as we know from previous cases, there have
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  Speaker 6: been men and teammates and players who haven't been appalled
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  Speaker 6: enough at the behavior of their fellow teammates and players
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  Speaker 6: when they've behaved appallingly to women and So the perversity
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  Speaker 6: was that, you know, you could, you know, assault someone
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  Speaker 6: or do something appalling and players would.
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  Speaker 8: Look the other way.
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  Speaker 6: But if you cost your team the flag, yeah, every
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  Speaker 6: player on that team is going to stand up and
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  Speaker 6: take notice and they are going to condemn that behavior.
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  Speaker 6: But for the right reasons or the wrong reasons, whatever.
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  Speaker 6: But that is the exact point of these kinds of measures.
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  Speaker 6: That is why the NRL has no fault suspensions, so
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  Speaker 6: that if you are even accused.
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  Speaker 8: Of any kind of.
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  Speaker 6: Misdemeanor or whatever, even before it's been proven, even while
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  Speaker 6: it's being investigated, you're out of there. Your team loses you.
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  Speaker 6: So that gives an incentive to these players to be
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  Speaker 6: so squeaky clean that like Caesar's wife, they have to
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  Speaker 6: be above suspicion. And so I think she's completely miss
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  Speaker 6: the point of what is actually happening here.
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  Speaker 5: But it's a really I was going to say, it's
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  Speaker 5: not even just with alleged cases of sexual assault. It's
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  Speaker 5: also when it comes to drugs, for example. And I
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  Speaker 5: remember in years gone by with the West Coast Eagles,
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  Speaker 5: when Ben Cousins, for example, was indefinitely suspended the very
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  Speaker 5: first time there were accusations of drug abuse. It completely
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  Speaker 5: derailed the West Coast Eagles. So it's not just when
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  Speaker 5: it comes to it, is everything you do outside of
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  Speaker 5: being on the field has a direct impact on all
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  Speaker 5: of your teammates and your entire season.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I mean tomorrow the talk will be about football
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  Speaker 2: because I expect the Swan's board will announce tomorrow whatever
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  Speaker 2: they've decided tonight. There'll certainly be sanctions for players, and
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  Speaker 2: so the thing that will be discussed is how does
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  Speaker 2: that affect this weekend They're playing my team North Melbourne.
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  Speaker 2: Then how does it affect their finals campaign? And we'll
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  Speaker 2: be talking about football tomorrow because that's what we know.
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  Speaker 2: Until police make a definitive statement one way or another
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  Speaker 2: about what is alleged to have occurred, whether charges are laid,
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  Speaker 2: then we can't really talk about the parent sexual assault
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  Speaker 2: because we don't know anything to say about it.
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  Speaker 6: But also do you know that And again the ultimate
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  Speaker 6: icic on the cake is that in many ways these
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  Speaker 6: are not two different things, because it was the Swans
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  Speaker 6: themselves who were pioneers of the idea that if you
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  Speaker 6: built a respectful, a positive culture in the sheds among
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  Speaker 6: the team, that you didn't have people acting up and
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  Speaker 6: being a holes and being violent or disrespectful to women
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  Speaker 6: or each other, or being racist or whatever that this
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  Speaker 6: would actually translate into better results on the field. So
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  Speaker 6: again it wasn't just do this to be a nice
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  Speaker 6: person and a polianna. It was literally called a no
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  Speaker 6: dickhead's policy. And Paul Ruse, the veteran coach led the
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  Speaker 6: Swan to their most successful period, did this and say
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  Speaker 6: if we have this positive, respectful culture, we will play
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  Speaker 6: better and conversely, if we don't have it, we will
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  Speaker 6: play worse. So if you've got footy fans saying, let
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  Speaker 6: me think that these players go out, you know, assaulting women,
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  Speaker 6: my team losers, that is going to change the conversation
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  Speaker 6: that has been the kind of tacits norm in sport
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  Speaker 6: for decades past.
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  Speaker 2: Out of all the reaction that the one I take
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  Speaker 2: issue most with is I think Ben Carroll, who, as
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  Speaker 2: you pointed out, I feel correct me if you think
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  Speaker 2: I'm being too harsh, But it feels a little opportunistic
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  Speaker 2: absolutely to come out of the gates so early talking
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  Speaker 2: about the victim when, like I said, we really don't
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  Speaker 2: know what we're talking about, and that's not to say
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  Speaker 2: that there won't end up being very much a victim here.
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  Speaker 2: We'll wait for the police to decide. But it felt,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, did the premiere really need to be one
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  Speaker 2: of the first people to comment. It felt like that
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  Speaker 2: was the intention, say, I want to be on the
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  Speaker 2: front book.
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  Speaker 4: I don't think he needs.
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  Speaker 1: It's not even in his out of the state, the
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  Speaker 1: city the home of oy.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, fine, but I mean, was it really necessary for
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  Speaker 5: him to make a statement?
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  Speaker 6: Look, I think, you know, maybe it's a bit sort
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  Speaker 6: of gleib or whatever, but I think in times like
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  Speaker 6: this it is kind of obligatory and convention states.
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  Speaker 4: Because he's a man.
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  Speaker 5: So what every single male leader in the country needs
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  Speaker 5: to come out.
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  Speaker 6: I think the premier, the premier of the state where
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  Speaker 6: it occurred, and it happened in Victoria, occurred allegedly occurred,
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  Speaker 6: but you know, the incident, whatever it was, it's being investigated,
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  Speaker 6: happened in Victoria.
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  Speaker 5: So every every male leader has to come out and
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  Speaker 5: make a statement, right, Premier.
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  Speaker 1: Victoria does, But wouldn't leadership.
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  Speaker 8: It's the head of the government. But don't you think that's.
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  Speaker 4: Just purely political? To me, it's completely.
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  Speaker 5: Opportunity to at the moment of oh, well, we've got
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  Speaker 5: a state election coming up in a couple of.
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  Speaker 1: Other's try and get that there was another crime.
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  Speaker 6: By someone highro you know, if some if some celebrity
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  Speaker 6: you know, fired a gun down the street, or if
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  Speaker 6: there was an attack or there was a car accident
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  Speaker 6: where lots of people.
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  Speaker 8: Of course the premier is going to.
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  Speaker 2: Come out and say the leadership from the premier b
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  Speaker 2: to if you're going to make a statement, say hey,
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  Speaker 2: let's all wait until the police complete the investigation, and
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  Speaker 2: then I'll have something that wouldn't I would.
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  Speaker 8: Probably if throwing the bird all edged there, I'll give
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  Speaker 8: you that.
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  Speaker 5: To add to that, it could have been that is perfect.
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  Speaker 5: And then all he could have said was at the bottom,
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  Speaker 5: if anybody is seeking help, he could have put a
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  Speaker 5: line for a domestic violence or a sexual assault hot
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  Speaker 5: line at the bottom to remind people that help is
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  Speaker 5: always available out there in his state of Victoria. That
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  Speaker 5: would have been the most appropriate way to do it.
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  Speaker 5: All right, let's move on now. Two faith leaders in
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  Speaker 5: Sydney have issued a joint call to Pauline Hansen to
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  Speaker 5: stop her calls for a monoculture. They said that her
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  Speaker 5: pushing this anti multiculturalism rise our post Bondai is doing
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  Speaker 5: more harm than good. The messages come from the chief
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  Speaker 5: rabbi of Sydney's oldest synagogue, the Great Synagogue, Chief Rabbi
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  Speaker 5: Benjamin Elton, as well as Sydney Anglican Archbishop Kanishka Raphael.
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  Speaker 5: They have both insisted that Senator Hanson, capitalizing on surging
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  Speaker 5: anti migration sentiment and pushing for a monoculture actually ignores
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  Speaker 5: Australia's history and offers no realistic pathway forward. The pair
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  Speaker 5: have pendent article in the Australian newspaper. They say, quote
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  Speaker 5: the status quote cannot be replaced by a single, undifferentiated culture.
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  Speaker 4: That horse has not bolted.
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  Speaker 5: It never even existed in Australia even a bit before colonialization.
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  Speaker 5: There were over two hundred and fifty different indigenous languages
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  Speaker 5: and many more.
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  Speaker 4: Dialects, they go on to say.
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  Speaker 5: And just as the first European settlers did not find
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  Speaker 5: a monoculture when they arrived, neither did they bring one
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  Speaker 5: with them. The first non aboriginals to live on the continent,
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  Speaker 5: including English and Irish, Anglican, Catholic, Nonconformist and Jewish, and yes,
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  Speaker 5: Muslims too each brought their own perspective born out of
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  Speaker 5: their individual culture. Look, I don't know why they needed
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  Speaker 5: to bring up European settlers or colonialization to make a
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  Speaker 5: statement like this. I thought this was quite bizarre, to
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  Speaker 5: be quite frank. Firstly, I take issue with them saying
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  Speaker 5: to Pauline Hansen, do not use the Bondai massacre for
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  Speaker 5: an anti immigration sentiment. Let's be very clear. I think
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  Speaker 5: that anti immigrants sentiment is not as bad as what
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  Speaker 5: they are insinuating it is.
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  Speaker 4: There's a very difference.
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  Speaker 5: There's a difference between being anti immigrant and raising genuine
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  Speaker 5: concerns about migration and who we're.
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  Speaker 4: Bringing into this country.
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  Speaker 5: And I truly believe that is all that Pauline Hansen
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  Speaker 5: was trying to do. And I do think that a
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  Speaker 5: lot of Australians woke up after Bondei and went, okay,
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  Speaker 5: you know what, we have a problem, and that was
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  Speaker 5: the first time we have seen Australia really wake up
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  Speaker 5: to it, as shown in the polling. Secondly, nobody is
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  Speaker 5: asking migrants to this country to forget their own culture.
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  Speaker 5: And here we go again with this battle over the
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  Speaker 5: word monoculture. No one's saying, okay, come to this country
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  Speaker 5: and never ever cook Italian food or never cook Greek food,
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  Speaker 5: never go out in the backyard and disorb with the Greek.
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  Speaker 4: Nobody is saying that.
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  Speaker 5: What we are saying is when you come here, you
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  Speaker 5: put Australia first. Yes, you have your own way of
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  Speaker 5: doing doing things, but you us try and assimilate into
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  Speaker 5: the way we do things.
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  Speaker 4: That is all they try to say.
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  Speaker 5: And thirdly, the key to the common denominator that's always
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  Speaker 5: been is radical Islam. So if we've got these two
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  Speaker 5: faith leaders coming out talking about a monoculture, well then
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  Speaker 5: why not put pressure on Muslim leaders to call out
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  Speaker 5: radical Islam from the very.
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  Speaker 4: First instance, because right.
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  Speaker 5: Now it remains the elephant in the room James, that
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  Speaker 5: nobody seems to want to talk about.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's easier to have potshots at Pauline
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  Speaker 2: Hanson than to perhaps address, you know, the Lebanese Muslim
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  Speaker 2: Association and say, hey, why aren't you guys talking about
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  Speaker 2: some of the problems we've got with social cohesion? And
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  Speaker 2: I think the faith leaders would have been better to
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  Speaker 2: do that. I mean, they talk about the fact that
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  Speaker 2: you know, multiculturalism existed prior to colonization. Well, prior to colonization,
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  Speaker 2: and at colonization we had diversity, but I would argue
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  Speaker 2: that diversity was in service of unity. These days, I
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  Speaker 2: think we've got diverse, just we don't have any unity
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  Speaker 2: at all.
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  Speaker 6: Come on, the prodis and the mix around each other's throa.
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  Speaker 6: It's non stop. Twenty four to seven. I got so much,
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  Speaker 6: so to the point where I can't bring myself to
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  Speaker 6: agree with an Anglican archbishop. But I think I'm going
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  Speaker 6: to have to. I think I agree with what you
• 17:15
  Speaker 6: said that it's easier to take potshots about Paul and
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  Speaker 6: Hansson than confront Islamism. I've always been very very upfront
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  Speaker 6: and saying, you know, if anything Paul and Hanson isn't
• 17:25
  Speaker 6: racist enough, because what she's doing is talking about multiculturalism
• 17:30
  Speaker 6: when really she means extreme Islamism, And so why don't
• 17:35
  Speaker 6: we talk about that instead of tarring multiculturalism.
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: And if anyone can throughout extreme Islamism, it's other faith leaders,
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: because that's the specialty comparative religion. That's what they should
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: be doing. But it's easier to, you know, play politics,
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: and as I'm.
• 17:50
  Speaker 6: Not sure if the extremists are going to these kind
• 17:52
  Speaker 6: of multi faithsyods.
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: No, but someone needs to lead the conversation. And I
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: would have thought the Archbishop of the Anglican Church here
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: in Sydney and the Rabbi of the Great Synagogue would
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: be two people who would be able to speak about
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: comparative religion in a respectful, responsible way and yet be
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: informed and pull no punches. We don't want to leave
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: the religious conversation to our politician.
• 18:13
  Speaker 6: That kind of what they're saying, Like they're saying, look,
• 18:15
  Speaker 6: we understand that there's problems with you know, or challenges
• 18:18
  Speaker 6: they call it. That's pretty weak euphemism, but still, but
• 18:21
  Speaker 6: there are problems with some sections in Muslim community. But
• 18:23
  Speaker 6: it's not multiculturalism. And that's true. There's not a problem with.
• 18:27
  Speaker 3: They tossed that and focused on Pauline Hanson.
• 18:30
  Speaker 6: Yeah no, but it's in the defense of multiculturalism. It's
• 18:33
  Speaker 6: in defense of all the other cultures and ethnicities who
• 18:36
  Speaker 6: get So let's.
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: Be faith leaders.
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: Then why does multiculturalism work in Australia and not in
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: Saudi Arabia or not in Iran, or not in Lebanon.
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: Why does it work here?
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: Because we've got a Judaeo Christian ethics, So don't argue
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: against Pauline Hanson argue what Jonathan said, which one of
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: the famous Jewish leaders.
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: He in Britain.
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: He argued in favor of the Church of England remaining
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: the official religion of England because he, as a Jewish leader,
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: recognized it's the Christian roots of England that has enabled
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: us to be such.
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: A successful percent society.
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: So why don't our religious leaders, our archbishop of the
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: Anglican Church in city, why does it, instead of taking
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: pot shops at Pauline Hanson argue for the importance of
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: the Christian faith.
• 19:21
  Speaker 6: Why don't Pauline Hanson say exactly as you have so eloquently.
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: Here's my point, just to quickly, when Christianity is pre
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: eminent everybody, I would argue, everybody.
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: Christian and non Christian benefits exactly.
• 19:32
  Speaker 8: I couldn't agree more.
• 19:33
  Speaker 6: So, why don't we say that, Why don't we say
• 19:35
  Speaker 6: we are a great multicultural success story because we have
• 19:38
  Speaker 6: a Judaeo Christian tradition of tolerance, of accepting difference and
• 19:42
  Speaker 6: not forcing everyone to conform to our culture, or you
• 19:46
  Speaker 6: get the chop because there are countries where that happens,
• 19:49
  Speaker 6: and they are the extremist wists correct countries that whose
• 19:54
  Speaker 6: adherents present the only actual threat to our cohesion.
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: So what Joseph done there is Joe's given a defense
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: Christian faith, and you've given a comparison with other religions
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: that may not be quite so conducive to a multicultural
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: society exactly.
• 20:07
  Speaker 6: And by saying multiculturalism we can't handle it, we can't
• 20:10
  Speaker 6: do it, Pauline Hanson is basically lumping us in with
• 20:13
  Speaker 6: all those religious cultures and theocracies that say we can't
• 20:16
  Speaker 6: tolerate any other way of life except no one that will.
• 20:19
  Speaker 5: I completely disagree with that. I totally disagree with that statement.
• 20:22
  Speaker 5: I think for the most part, yes, multiculturalism has worked
• 20:25
  Speaker 5: in this country.
• 20:26
  Speaker 4: But I would say for the last decade it has.
• 20:28
  Speaker 5: Not worked because we have indeed brought people into this
• 20:31
  Speaker 5: country whose values are completely at odds with a Western
• 20:35
  Speaker 5: liberal demos.
• 20:36
  Speaker 6: Focus on those values and those people in that stead
• 20:38
  Speaker 6: of multiculturalism as a whole.
• 20:39
  Speaker 5: But Joe, we can't deny that there are people we've
• 20:42
  Speaker 5: let in with open arms, some.
• 20:43
  Speaker 4: Who hate us, some who hate our values, not deny
• 20:45
  Speaker 4: some and.
• 20:45
  Speaker 8: Some what are we focused on them? Yeah?
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: Hate cultures?
• 20:48
  Speaker 5: So I actually think that what Pauline Hanson is pretty straightforward,
• 20:52
  Speaker 5: and it is such a shame that for a country
• 20:53
  Speaker 5: that is built, as you said on Juday, are Christian values,
• 20:56
  Speaker 5: when you've got these faith leaders coming out saying that
• 20:59
  Speaker 5: she's the one in the wrong, when they should be
• 21:01
  Speaker 5: saying respect us and respect our culture. And it's not
• 21:04
  Speaker 5: just happening here, it's happening in Europe, it's happening in
• 21:06
  Speaker 5: the UK. These foundations are being torn down by those
• 21:09
  Speaker 5: whose value.
• 21:09
  Speaker 6: If you had a carton of eggs and one was rotten,
• 21:12
  Speaker 6: would you throw out the rotten egg or would you say, oh,
• 21:14
  Speaker 6: we better throw out the cold carton of eggs.
• 21:16
  Speaker 8: Cartons of eggs don't work. We're never having eggs again.
• 21:18
  Speaker 5: I think I'm not saying I think we need to
• 21:20
  Speaker 5: throw the rotten eggs out.
• 21:21
  Speaker 4: I understand, I completely understand your point with that.
• 21:23
  Speaker 5: I just think that the time has come to be
• 21:25
  Speaker 5: more selective as to who or which eggs we put
• 21:28
  Speaker 5: into the basket.
• 21:30
  Speaker 8: And brown eggs and white eggs, I.
• 21:32
  Speaker 4: Don't know at this point, just no bad eggs.
• 21:34
  Speaker 6: Well, perhaps for that reason, or perhaps so many many others,
• 21:37
  Speaker 6: we seem to have fewer visitors coming to Australia. We
• 21:42
  Speaker 6: have an airline chief has worn an industry chief, i
• 21:45
  Speaker 6: should say tourism industry chief has warned that Australians are
• 21:49
  Speaker 6: actually pricing out international tourists.
• 21:52
  Speaker 8: We've become so.
• 21:53
  Speaker 6: Expensive and we've already been obviously a very luxury destination
• 21:57
  Speaker 6: because we're so far away from so many of the
• 21:59
  Speaker 6: big pop population centers that you know, took Paul Hogan
• 22:03
  Speaker 6: to convince the Americans to come here. But now people
• 22:06
  Speaker 6: are saying, no, Australia, it's too expensive. We're pricing people out.
• 22:10
  Speaker 6: And if you have a look at these arrivals, nine
• 22:13
  Speaker 6: point two percent, so almost a one in ten drop
• 22:16
  Speaker 6: in June. And of course this comes just a couple
• 22:19
  Speaker 6: of years after the COVID pandemic, in which we know
• 22:24
  Speaker 6: people whatsoever, this means that the people coming in are
• 22:29
  Speaker 6: now sixteen point four percent down on the pre pandemic levels.
• 22:34
  Speaker 6: And our good friends in New Zealand, I feel this
• 22:37
  Speaker 6: to be honest as an act of family bastardry. This
• 22:40
  Speaker 6: is a this is a betrayal our nearest and dearest.
• 22:43
  Speaker 6: Short term arrivals from New Zealand down twenty one percent,
• 22:47
  Speaker 6: one in five. Don't they want our pensions anymore. What
• 22:50
  Speaker 6: do we have to do Troy aebru Well except good news.
• 22:55
  Speaker 6: You'll be pleased to know Japan still holding strong is
• 23:00
  Speaker 6: sort of fighting for the little guy, which I've got
• 23:03
  Speaker 6: to say, the number of people I know who are
• 23:04
  Speaker 6: going to Japan, I'm not sure if it's a fair bet,
• 23:06
  Speaker 6: but anyway, so people are saying that de Long from
• 23:10
  Speaker 6: the Australian Travel Industry Association says we can't just have
• 23:14
  Speaker 6: one of our top ten markets in growth everybody else
• 23:18
  Speaker 6: in negative territory. I don't think this was expected and
• 23:21
  Speaker 6: if it happens again in July, there's going to have
• 23:24
  Speaker 6: to be a real look at what the industry has
• 23:28
  Speaker 6: to do. So at a time when we're trying to
• 23:29
  Speaker 6: boost spending, boost productivity, one of our major industries is
• 23:35
  Speaker 6: going backwards.
• 23:37
  Speaker 5: Well you know, I wonder if we've got to bring
• 23:39
  Speaker 5: back where the bloody hell are you? Maybe it's time
• 23:41
  Speaker 5: to drop that old classic back out again, because that's.
• 23:44
  Speaker 8: Scot different marketing.
• 23:45
  Speaker 4: We've got to exactly, we've got to bring out that line. Look,
• 23:49
  Speaker 4: I wonder if it's a few things.
• 23:50
  Speaker 5: We are very isolated here in Australia, and I don't
• 23:53
  Speaker 5: think that you can just come to Australia for a week.
• 23:55
  Speaker 5: I mean you could, you could just see Sydney, who
• 23:57
  Speaker 5: go the harbor. But there's so much to Australia. You
• 23:59
  Speaker 5: need to spend weeks and weeks and it is bloody
• 24:01
  Speaker 5: expensive right now, even just to travel internally. You look
• 24:05
  Speaker 5: at Quantus flights outrageous. Jetstar now wanted to charge you
• 24:09
  Speaker 5: to put your luggage up in the cabin, up in
• 24:12
  Speaker 5: the overhead locker.
• 24:13
  Speaker 4: Sorry. So I think that the cost of.
• 24:15
  Speaker 5: Travel internally, I think from to get from the East
• 24:18
  Speaker 5: to the West coast, it's a five hour flight managing
• 24:21
  Speaker 5: multiple time differences.
• 24:23
  Speaker 4: We're not cheap.
• 24:24
  Speaker 5: And you know, even I went to Melbourne actually for
• 24:27
  Speaker 5: two nights two weekends ago. The cost is to stay
• 24:30
  Speaker 5: in Melbourne and the CBT for two nights was just outrageous.
• 24:33
  Speaker 5: So we're expensive, we're isolated, and I don't know how
• 24:37
  Speaker 5: you fix that.
• 24:38
  Speaker 4: I really don't know how you fix that.
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: Most of the tourist surveys say that people who visit
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: Australia love the place, but they complain about the cost
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: of food, accommodation and because Australia is so big transportation,
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: hiring a car or whatever else costs an absolute fortune,
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: so that's certainly a factor. And I mean, you don't
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: need a survey to tell you that. We know it's
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: cheap of a holiday overseas absolutely and around our own country,
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: so that should not be a surprise.
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: I also wonder about the marketing.
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: You said we should bring back the where the bloody
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: hell are you ad with them?
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: Who was at Lara B whatever her name was Ingleberry.
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: It's funny how the advertising changed because when it was
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: Paul Hogan that the advertisement was about Aussie character. Now
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: it's more about come and experience Australia, and there's a
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: diverse range of things you can experience.
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: I just wonder if we've lost some.
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: Of the mystique as Australians, because in the eighties with
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: Paul Hogan, people overseas thought Australians were cool and super
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: laid back and adventurous, and then I think during COVID
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: everyone got a very different impression of Australia. Turns out
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: we're all Karen's Karens, and I wonder if we've lost
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: some of the all and the charm and the mystique.
• 25:46
  Speaker 6: I think I think that is really really true and
• 25:48
  Speaker 6: I actually wrote about recently, just more broadly, that we
• 25:51
  Speaker 6: think of ourselves as Alarican and laid back nation, but
• 25:54
  Speaker 6: we actually you know, if you look at just social media,
• 25:57
  Speaker 6: look at Abby Chatfield, look at whatever it might be,
• 26:01
  Speaker 6: we can be incredibly incredibly sort of scoldy or scoldy.
• 26:07
  Speaker 6: We can we can, we can tut tut, we can
• 26:09
  Speaker 6: clutch our pearls. We condemn anyone who says or does anything,
• 26:13
  Speaker 6: you know, remotely outside the bandit of a really boring, beige,
• 26:17
  Speaker 6: middle of the road behavior. I mean, obviously I used
• 26:20
  Speaker 6: this to talk about, you know, the response to Albo
• 26:22
  Speaker 6: on the podcast. I know a lot of people won't
• 26:24
  Speaker 6: agree with me on that, but I just I missed that.
• 26:27
  Speaker 6: I missed just chucking another shrimp on the bar. I mean,
• 26:29
  Speaker 6: even Pauline Hanson missus hoges. She says said to bring
• 26:32
  Speaker 6: him back. No hoages didn't quite return.
• 26:34
  Speaker 5: Linical correctness has taken hold now, you know, we get
• 26:36
  Speaker 5: away with those sorts of ads.
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: Well, speaking of that, if you are going to come
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: to Australia from overseas or travel domestically, indeed, just be
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: careful what you're eating on the plane, would you, Because
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: there's a lot of Karen's who will be very upset.
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: A woman that was flying to Bali from Perth and
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: as she's boarding the aeroplane, she's eating a chocolate bar
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: that's got peanuts in it, specifically a Whittaker's peanuts slab,
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: which I think is quite pop national dish. There you go,
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: so being a Kiwi she well, people started getting stuck
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: into it on the arrow bridge, saying she was being
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: irresponsible for eating this peanut chocolate on an aeroplane.
• 27:12
  Speaker 5: Here she ising my peanut swab and peace and cornet,
• 27:16
  Speaker 5: and the lady behind me in the tunnel says, thank god,
• 27:19
  Speaker 5: I'm not an a Fhilectic.
• 27:23
  Speaker 9: Thank god I'm not an Athilectica.
• 27:26
  Speaker 5: And out in a while a peanutside I can and
• 27:30
  Speaker 5: here if I will key with, it's my birthright.
• 27:35
  Speaker 8: That's what I'm talking about.
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: This interaction has generated all sorts of chat online. Someone wrote,
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: my husband would legit die because of this. When you're
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: sharing space like that, you have to think of the
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: collective welfer it.
• 27:50
  Speaker 8: Do you know?
• 27:51
  Speaker 9: Do you really have.
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: To be thinking about other people's allergies when you get
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: into an aera.
• 27:56
  Speaker 4: No, of course not. Take some bloody person or responsibility.
• 27:58
  Speaker 5: What we stopped the airline and stop serving pasta and
• 28:02
  Speaker 5: bread on airplanes.
• 28:03
  Speaker 4: Because people have Celiac disease?
• 28:05
  Speaker 5: Do they stop serving your continental breakfast with your yogurt
• 28:08
  Speaker 5: pot just because somebody's sitting next to you might be
• 28:11
  Speaker 5: have an allergy to dairy. I mean, give us a
• 28:12
  Speaker 5: break here. We can't just stop everything just to suit
• 28:15
  Speaker 5: one person's individual needs. And by the way, they actually
• 28:19
  Speaker 5: sell peanut bars at the airport in the little you know,
• 28:24
  Speaker 5: the little news agencies.
• 28:25
  Speaker 4: You can buy a nutbar there. So what we're going
• 28:28
  Speaker 4: to ban that too?
• 28:29
  Speaker 6: I mean, come on, this is exactly what I'm talking about.
• 28:31
  Speaker 6: Like we say, oh, we're a laid back nation, everything's fine.
• 28:34
  Speaker 6: You wonder why New Zealanders aren't coming here, and that happens,
• 28:38
  Speaker 6: and then we have this insufferable Karen, this nauseating, nosy,
• 28:44
  Speaker 6: busybody who is not even allergic to peanuts, like she
• 28:49
  Speaker 6: is getting outraged about she's like larating Laura Tingle. Actually
• 28:53
  Speaker 6: she's getting outraged about a hypothetical scenario that exists only
• 28:58
  Speaker 6: in her head, and it's making her angry even if
• 29:02
  Speaker 6: it's not actually happening in the real world.
• 29:05
  Speaker 8: I completely understand if.
• 29:07
  Speaker 6: Someone said, excuse, I'm so sorry, I'm allergic to peanuts,
• 29:09
  Speaker 6: would you mind putting that away? And of course you would,
• 29:12
  Speaker 6: and of course you would know I'm so so sorry,
• 29:14
  Speaker 6: and of course you do that. Well, so yeah, if
• 29:20
  Speaker 6: I had a baseball. But you know, it's just this
• 29:23
  Speaker 6: sort of stuff does my head in. What is with people?
• 29:26
  Speaker 6: Imagine waking up and being like that.
• 29:29
  Speaker 5: I know it's true, you know, it just reminds me
• 29:31
  Speaker 5: of what I was at Bondi Junction and I accidentally
• 29:34
  Speaker 5: there was a woman walking behind me and I had
• 29:36
  Speaker 5: turned around. I didn't realize she was there, and accidentally
• 29:38
  Speaker 5: we bumped into each other. I said, I'm so sorry.
• 29:40
  Speaker 5: She goes, oh, you're just not watching where you're going.
• 29:44
  Speaker 5: And I said to her, do you think I'm just
• 29:46
  Speaker 5: going around deliberately bowling people over?
• 29:48
  Speaker 4: You know what I mean? Just people? Just people are
• 29:50
  Speaker 4: the words are angry at the most.
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: So funny you say that, because last week I'm at
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: a shop or shopping stains a big walkway right, and
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: I'm just I stood there for a second and I
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: moved to my left, and I had no idea there's
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: a couple walking up behind me, and so I accidentally
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: walked into them. And she was an old lady, right,
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: she would have been in a like late seventies, early eighties.
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: And she turned around and gave me an absolute mouthful.
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: And I was like, like, fair enough, Sorry, I didn't
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: mean to bump into her. But boy, boy did she
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: lose it.
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: Some people are just angry.
• 30:20
  Speaker 5: Maybe you would think we deliberately mow people down, James.
• 30:23
  Speaker 5: It's a part time hobby, just a rating shopping center.
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: Bowing people. Maybe I should have kept my elbow down.
• 30:29
  Speaker 4: Yeah you don't.
• 30:30
  Speaker 6: I've never revealed this before, Oh, because nobody cares. But again,
• 30:35
  Speaker 6: shopping center on the travel Lader and I'm in a hurry.
• 30:39
  Speaker 6: I'm running in to get something because I'm late again
• 30:41
  Speaker 6: to whatever it was. But and so, and it's during
• 30:45
  Speaker 6: the pandemic. I'm running past people, you know, trying to
• 30:48
  Speaker 6: get to the thing. Everyone's on us. And this little
• 30:50
  Speaker 6: old lady looks out and sees me and goes.
• 30:52
  Speaker 8: Hey, Studio ten. And I'm like, oh, hi, another fan.
• 30:56
  Speaker 8: You know that's right high and like her selfie just
• 30:59
  Speaker 8: she was why two point five minutes? Oh she was
• 31:03
  Speaker 8: COVID shaming me.
• 31:05
  Speaker 4: Wow, you got out of past now, I.
• 31:07
  Speaker 6: Had to wait five years to tell that story so
• 31:08
  Speaker 6: I wouldn't get arrested.
• 31:09
  Speaker 4: By the hard being a big celebrity.
• 31:12
  Speaker 8: Joe, it really is, I have to say.
• 31:13
  Speaker 6: I mean, it's even harder now that I'm off Studio
• 31:17
  Speaker 6: ten because people actually watch me.
• 31:21
  Speaker 4: There you go, that's it, that's it.
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: Talk to us about music.
• 31:24
  Speaker 8: I'm going to talk to you about music now. This
• 31:26
  Speaker 8: is ever. You just hear something and you just.
• 31:28
  Speaker 6: Think, oh my god, how did someone establish that fact?
• 31:33
  Speaker 8: Who thought of this? You know who did this? Who
• 31:35
  Speaker 8: built it?
• 31:36
  Speaker 6: Did you know that there are fifteen percent more fatal accidents,
• 31:42
  Speaker 6: more fatal car accidents? The road toll is fifteen percent
• 31:46
  Speaker 6: higher on days that a new album drops. So a
• 31:52
  Speaker 6: new album by Beyonce or Tayte or Kpe or jay
• 31:57
  Speaker 6: Z or all these other letters drop a big album
• 32:01
  Speaker 6: suddenly fifteen percent spike in fatal car crashes.
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: And why is this, Joe Hildebrand, I'm.
• 32:06
  Speaker 6: Glad you asked, James Macpherson, because as soon as people
• 32:10
  Speaker 6: here on the radio that this new album has dropped,
• 32:14
  Speaker 6: they go onto their phones and they go on to
• 32:15
  Speaker 6: Spotify or Apple Music or whatever it is and try
• 32:18
  Speaker 6: to download it. So of course they're fiddling around there,
• 32:21
  Speaker 6: and in the meantime they're plowing into the car in
• 32:23
  Speaker 6: front of them, or running off the road or whatever
• 32:26
  Speaker 6: it is that drivers even worse than me do. But
• 32:28
  Speaker 6: isn't that just an amazing So this doctor Vishal Patelli's
• 32:32
  Speaker 6: name is, he found himself scrolling through Spotify himself when
• 32:37
  Speaker 6: he'd heard that a new Taylor Swift album had dropped,
• 32:40
  Speaker 6: and so he thinks, Okay, hang on, I've just zoned
• 32:43
  Speaker 6: out here.
• 32:44
  Speaker 8: What am I doing?
• 32:44
  Speaker 6: This is insane, And so he goes and looks through
• 32:47
  Speaker 6: all the data this is in the US, goes and
• 32:49
  Speaker 6: looks through all the data, compares it to big albums dropping,
• 32:53
  Speaker 6: big albums dropping. Yeah, I got that right, didn't I. I
• 32:56
  Speaker 6: didn't say big album droppings, which would be the excrement
• 32:58
  Speaker 6: from a big album. And he found there's this massive
• 33:02
  Speaker 6: I mean, that's fifteen per cents a lot. That is
• 33:04
  Speaker 6: not a statistical glip.
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: Eighteen people die on the road more than at other
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: times when a new album is released.
• 33:12
  Speaker 6: Although on the plus side they are Taylor Swift fans.
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: So yeah, I was gonna say, maybe we should just
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: ban artists from releasing albums because it would lower the roadtop.
• 33:21
  Speaker 4: Now that'd be too boring.
• 33:22
  Speaker 8: Though.
• 33:22
  Speaker 5: I did have a look at what the top streamed
• 33:24
  Speaker 5: albums were. It actually says that people are crashing to
• 33:28
  Speaker 5: It's Midnights by Taylor Swift, one of your favorites, James Certified,
• 33:31
  Speaker 5: lover Boy by Drake and Unvarano Sin Tea by Bad Buddy.
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: Well these are did they actually calculate one?
• 33:38
  Speaker 5: They identified the ten most streamed albums in a single
• 33:42
  Speaker 5: day that contribute to the to the crashes. So there
• 33:46
  Speaker 5: you go, guys, Bad Bunny, Taylor Swift, very bad bunny.
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: What's interesting about this, on a serious note, is we
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: all know the dangers of texting while driving, but cars
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: have essentially become computers on wheels, right, and so even
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: if you're not touching your phone, you've got your Apple playing,
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: you're touching the screen, and so you really are multitasking
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: these days more than ever when you're driving.
• 34:10
  Speaker 8: I can't.
• 34:11
  Speaker 6: I drove an electric car a few years ago go
• 34:13
  Speaker 6: They probably even worst, and it was amazing, but it
• 34:15
  Speaker 6: was just absolutely silent. I didn't really haven't have to
• 34:17
  Speaker 6: do anything. It was just like being in a giant
• 34:20
  Speaker 6: virtual reality goggle. It was kind of like, well, where's
• 34:23
  Speaker 6: the fun.
• 34:24
  Speaker 4: Where's the fun all that?
• 34:26
  Speaker 5: Well, where's the fun in the WNBA over in America
• 34:29
  Speaker 5: right now?
• 34:29
  Speaker 8: Ge?
• 34:30
  Speaker 4: This is really I.
• 34:30
  Speaker 5: Mean, if you weren't a fan of the WNBA, you
• 34:32
  Speaker 5: might be now.
• 34:33
  Speaker 4: After of course.
• 34:34
  Speaker 5: Players Sophie Cunningham dead to suggest that biological men should
• 34:38
  Speaker 5: not be playing in the women's league.
• 34:40
  Speaker 4: Well, it gets absolutely worse.
• 34:42
  Speaker 5: So the Indiana Fever, which is the team that she
• 34:46
  Speaker 5: plays for, were playing at the weekend and two women
• 34:49
  Speaker 5: turned up to the event because they wanted to see
• 34:51
  Speaker 5: her play their big fans and on the T shirts
• 34:53
  Speaker 5: they had XX and x Y meaning the male and
• 34:56
  Speaker 5: female chromosomes, and they were told to cover up their
• 35:01
  Speaker 5: T shirts that they were wearing or leave State Farm Arena.
• 35:05
  Speaker 5: This is how woke the WNBA has become. Here is
• 35:09
  Speaker 5: what they said in their own words about it.
• 35:12
  Speaker 6: We were made to cover up our exx x Y
• 35:17
  Speaker 6: shirts at this gang quo.
• 35:19
  Speaker 8: Yes the shirt They gave us T shirts rehiring over.
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: Time and told us we had to leave you says
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: for the girl, or cover our shirts.
• 35:33
  Speaker 4: This just happened.
• 35:35
  Speaker 5: So security actually made them leave and yet reportedly on
• 35:39
  Speaker 5: the big screens at State Farm arena. They even had
• 35:42
  Speaker 5: a pro trans message during the game. The hypocrisy absolutely stinks.
• 35:47
  Speaker 5: But the NBA is a WNBA is about to be
• 35:49
  Speaker 5: tested because former NBA players Enniscant Freedom and Royce White,
• 35:54
  Speaker 5: two men bulky being men muscle man for their.
• 35:57
  Speaker 6: Going to they identify as females.
• 35:59
  Speaker 4: They currently now identify.
• 36:02
  Speaker 5: Because women aren't defined under the league's bargaining codes.
• 36:06
  Speaker 4: And Royce White tried to explain, why.
• 36:09
  Speaker 10: Could this culminate you and you actually playing in the
• 36:12
  Speaker 10: WNBA better, Why wouldn't they let me play? It's completely
• 36:19
  Speaker 10: completely bigoted to deny my trans existence. I realized my
• 36:24
  Speaker 10: fear of flying really wasn't a fear of flying. It
• 36:27
  Speaker 10: was the transgender trapped inside of me, caged inside of me,
• 36:32
  Speaker 10: that that gave me an aversion to smaller spaces I think.
• 36:36
  Speaker 4: I mean, the trollings are late now. You can't make
• 36:39
  Speaker 4: this stuff up.
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: It is And of course the WNBA have had a
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: meeting of all of the teams to try and work
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: out what a woman is, and that meeting continues.
• 36:47
  Speaker 3: We'll see if they can work biggle it.
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: We're going to go to a break when we come
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: back with the cords making headlines tomorrow, including the way
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: the papers are covering the Swan scandal and more bad
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: news regarding the housing crisis.
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: That's excellent, Welcome back to the program.
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: Let's have a look at tomorrow's headlines so you get
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: them all here first on the Late Debate. We'll start
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: with the Daily Telegraph and as you can imagine, Sydney's
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: major newspaper is front page The Swans. I like the
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: headline black Swans reads the headline the sexual assaults scandal
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: in golfing the Sydney Swans emanated from an ugly dispute
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: involving a female and one of the Swan's players over
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: touching that was quote off limits.
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: Sources have claimed.
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: It comes as the Swan's met last night to agree
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: on player sanctions and penalties against the players at the
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: center of the scandal, who include Isaac Heeney, Chad Warner,
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: James Jordan and Riley Biss and any player accused of
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: a criminal offense could be looking at a significant suspension.
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: AFL Chief Andrew Dillon issued a statement last night describing
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: the allegations as serious and deeply concerning, warning that the
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: police process should not be judged. So that's the front
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: page of the Telegraph. And of course if we look
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: at the Adelaide Advertiser, they've two gone with the headline black.
• 38:11
  Speaker 11: So they stole a headline, stolen the headline tyser And
• 38:15
  Speaker 11: of course on the front page they're a big picture
• 38:18
  Speaker 11: of Isaac Keeney and in the background there is Andrew Dillon,
• 38:22
  Speaker 11: the CEO of the AFL.
• 38:24
  Speaker 5: So well Isaac Keeney and partner Stephanie Waters.
• 38:29
  Speaker 6: It's a real time photograph of them smiling.
• 38:32
  Speaker 5: Yes, yesterday, yes, yeah.
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: I think that will dominate the front pages for the
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: rest of the week.
• 38:38
  Speaker 4: Well, I think there's a lot more to come out.
• 38:41
  Speaker 5: Let's take a look now at the Australian rental disorder.
• 38:45
  Speaker 5: Australia's largest rental property manager has a firm that Jim
• 38:48
  Speaker 5: Chalmer's budget could lead to a thirty percent spike in
• 38:52
  Speaker 5: costs for tenants. As Anthony Albinezi and the Treasurer launch
• 38:56
  Speaker 5: launched a public assault on analysis showing their budge at
• 39:00
  Speaker 5: housing predictions were ingevity. Real estate agency Ray White, which
• 39:03
  Speaker 5: manages more than two hundred and fifty thousand rental properties,
• 39:06
  Speaker 5: on Wednesday, released analysis showing new investors stripped of property
• 39:10
  Speaker 5: tax concessions in the May budget would have to raise
• 39:12
  Speaker 5: rents by about thirty percent to cover their losses if
• 39:18
  Speaker 5: dwelling prices remained steady. And if you have a look,
• 39:21
  Speaker 5: it's quite a clever little pick here how it started.
• 39:23
  Speaker 5: So you've got Jim the reforms are likely to have
• 39:25
  Speaker 5: small impacts on rents, well, Ray White saying thirty percent.
• 39:30
  Speaker 5: And you could see basic homes, basic properties around the country.
• 39:38
  Speaker 3: Now these are all properties in Jim Chalmers electorate.
• 39:40
  Speaker 5: Oh, these are in his electra. Oh, these are in
• 39:42
  Speaker 5: rank it right, these are in rank. And so for example,
• 39:45
  Speaker 5: one of them was eight hundred and ten. It's gone
• 39:49
  Speaker 5: up by twenty nine point six percent. It's gone up
• 39:51
  Speaker 5: by two hundred and forty a week, one hundred and fifty,
• 39:53
  Speaker 5: one hundred and fifty seventy. Well done, Jim.
• 39:57
  Speaker 4: This is terrific on the rental market. And you know,
• 40:01
  Speaker 4: I worry about this because we can't actually get every.
• 40:03
  Speaker 5: Day aussis into homes as it is, and there's a
• 40:05
  Speaker 5: lot of renters out there and the prospect of an
• 40:08
  Speaker 5: up to thirty percent rate hike is really worrying.
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And I mean the government cannot defend this that
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: they're trying to, but I mean, that's a damning front page.
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: Is where you've got Jim Chalmer's own electorate. These are
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: his constituents who were told, like the rest of us, look,
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: it might be two dollars a week facing rent increases.
• 40:27
  Speaker 6: They said, house prices wouldn't fall upwards two hundred dollars.
• 40:31
  Speaker 6: How you get plummeting house prices against there? And again,
• 40:34
  Speaker 6: I remember, just every single day, I remember being in
• 40:37
  Speaker 6: the lock up and looking at it, and I'm thinking
• 40:39
  Speaker 6: to myself, I'm an art student, and even I can
• 40:44
  Speaker 6: see that these figures are absolutely cooked. They make no
• 40:48
  Speaker 6: sense whatsoever. And the figures they do provide don't provide
• 40:52
  Speaker 6: the data. Even the modeling they provide doesn't provide any
• 40:55
  Speaker 6: justification for the policies that they've then announced in response
• 40:59
  Speaker 6: to it. I I just I remember, I said, almost
• 41:01
  Speaker 6: as soon as I got into lockups, not my editor,
• 41:03
  Speaker 6: my boss as well, I thought, I said, I just
• 41:05
  Speaker 6: cannot get my head around it. I do not understand
• 41:08
  Speaker 6: what this thing is even saying.
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: Or trying to be honest, John, I'm not sure if
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: Youewers thought this too, but when you said, when you're
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: in the lock up, my first thought was, what did
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: you die?
• 41:17
  Speaker 12: Yeah?
• 41:17
  Speaker 8: Yeah, that was fine.
• 41:18
  Speaker 6: But I'm feeling much better budget budget lockup as opposed
• 41:21
  Speaker 6: to long Bay.
• 41:22
  Speaker 4: Let's take a look as well.
• 41:23
  Speaker 5: This story on the front page of the ODS medical
• 41:26
  Speaker 5: cannabis linked to psychosis. The medicalization of extremely high potency
• 41:31
  Speaker 5: cannabis has potentially exposed hundreds of thousands of adults to
• 41:34
  Speaker 5: possible brain toxicity, with the findings of a major new
• 41:37
  Speaker 5: study indicating the drug may act as a cumulative neurotoxin
• 41:42
  Speaker 5: that triggers earlier onset of psychosis in vulnerable patients. The
• 41:46
  Speaker 5: senior researcher for the international study, Australian psychiatrist Matthew Large,
• 41:50
  Speaker 5: says he believes cannabis products should carry health warnings like tobacco,
• 41:54
  Speaker 5: warning against the halo effect of doctors prescribing cannabis as medicine.
• 41:58
  Speaker 3: Interesting story, there, really interesting story.
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: There's so much money in medicinal cannabis and companies are
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: racing to get in. All I mean, it's already a market,
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: but it's still relatively new. Companies are racing to cash in,
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: and there's still some major concerns about.
• 42:16
  Speaker 4: Very high dose.
• 42:17
  Speaker 5: I've come out on this program for and support a
• 42:20
  Speaker 5: medicinal cannabis, but obviously not in a high dose when
• 42:23
  Speaker 5: you're going a bit well.
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: I think the questions are not so much about can
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: it be helpful, but is it properly being regulated in
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: terms of sure the dosage and the checks on who
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: is being given medicinal cannabis as to whether it really
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: is for medical purposes or whether it's just an easy
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: way to get cannabis.
• 42:39
  Speaker 6: From what I've heard, it's not actually really regulated much
• 42:43
  Speaker 6: at all, especially online. I think it's more of a
• 42:46
  Speaker 6: case of yes, we cannabis, let's go to the Corey
• 42:49
  Speaker 6: mail now. And this is just an incredible story. A
• 42:52
  Speaker 6: lot of Queensland readers will very familiar with that. But
• 42:55
  Speaker 6: I could have drowned, says the Splash exclusive Coaches Brutal Training.
• 43:00
  Speaker 6: There's left dumped Bronco blacked out in ice bath. And
• 43:04
  Speaker 6: this is of course Martin Tauerpower, who was sacked from
• 43:07
  Speaker 6: the Broncos after liking an Instagram poach that was critical
• 43:13
  Speaker 6: of the coach. He now says that he was suffering
• 43:18
  Speaker 6: from such incredible high temperatures and high heat exhaustion that
• 43:25
  Speaker 6: he collapsed into an ice bath. And he says I
• 43:30
  Speaker 6: could have drowned, and he tells the podcast. I could
• 43:34
  Speaker 6: have drowned, he said, but a physio was there holding
• 43:37
  Speaker 6: me by the collar, which means he probably wouldn't have drowned.
• 43:40
  Speaker 6: But anyway, still, this is the first episode of Code
• 43:44
  Speaker 6: Sports New podcast, which is of course a new initiative
• 43:47
  Speaker 6: by news Coict which is absolutely fantastic, rip rowank new
• 43:52
  Speaker 6: podty that is already obviously already delivering the scoops.
• 43:55
  Speaker 8: So boom, there you go.
• 43:57
  Speaker 5: I think it was a bit dumb to like you
• 43:59
  Speaker 5: the photo like a post of your car.
• 44:01
  Speaker 6: He's pretty dumb. But if you've just almost drowned an
• 44:03
  Speaker 6: ice bath, then.
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: No, I agree. I think the only one.
• 44:06
  Speaker 3: If they could have just sorted that out.
• 44:08
  Speaker 6: With it, maybe they could have maybe could have slid
• 44:10
  Speaker 6: into his DMS.
• 44:11
  Speaker 3: Is that what he very quickly.
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: The front page of the Gold Coast Bulletin teacher kept
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: his license, reads the headline. A sacked Gold Coast teacher
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: accused of creating sexually explicit AI generated images of children
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: and teachers was allowed to keep his Queensland College of
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: Teachers registration for months after a police investigation began. That
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: specific teacher, doctor Robert John Thomas seventy three, was terminated
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: from ab Patterson College last year following an internal probe.
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: He's currently before the courts. But obviously a little what's
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: the word I'm looking for, Joe.
• 44:49
  Speaker 3: I would would have thought he would have been.
• 44:52
  Speaker 6: If you're standing if you're suspending the more players for
• 44:56
  Speaker 6: allegations of you know, impropriety or sexual against adults, who
• 45:01
  Speaker 6: would say, probably suspend a teacher facing allegations for sexual propriety.
• 45:07
  Speaker 8: You would have bought children just about That's just me though.
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: Ye, thank you, very good point, jo hilde Brand. We're
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: gonna go to a break. When we come back, we'll
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: show you the first ever ev ferrari. You be shocked
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: by what it looks like, but you'll be even more
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: shocked by what someone paid for it.
• 45:23
  Speaker 3: That's next.
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: We're talking about tourism. Earlier in the program. There may
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: be a new tourist attraction in Hollywood, Deneka.
• 45:33
  Speaker 4: Yes, well West Hollywood to be exact.
• 45:36
  Speaker 5: When this little critter led police on a wild peak chase.
• 45:42
  Speaker 12: In la smarted a loose puppy over the weekend that
• 45:45
  Speaker 12: turned out to be a runaway pig. Jamal Harrison, who
• 45:49
  Speaker 12: posted these videos, says the pig juked several would be rescuers,
• 45:53
  Speaker 12: but is now safe and in West Los Angeles and
• 45:56
  Speaker 12: an animal shelter. If it's yours, you gotta go get it.
• 45:58
  Speaker 12: Harrison told us there's a lot of people who love
• 46:01
  Speaker 12: this pig.
• 46:03
  Speaker 5: Yes, the little pig that escaped from my home in
• 46:05
  Speaker 5: a place called poins Ata Park. It's that and apparently
• 46:10
  Speaker 5: it runs across yards and down through alleyways quite regularly.
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: The little beat tell.
• 46:15
  Speaker 6: You what, you'd head straight to the Jewish Quarter, wouldn't you.
• 46:18
  Speaker 8: You know you're going to be safe.
• 46:20
  Speaker 3: There you go, probably not what you expecting.
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: His name is Wilbur West Hollywood.
• 46:24
  Speaker 8: I like the pig from Charlotte's Web.
• 46:26
  Speaker 4: Wilbur.
• 46:27
  Speaker 6: That's nice. It wasn't Wilbur that died at the end
• 46:29
  Speaker 6: of the book. Was It was the other one?
• 46:31
  Speaker 8: Sorry? Kids, if you're watching it's friends.
• 46:33
  Speaker 3: Just call him babe.
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: Well, let's go to dad jokes.
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: South America, Iguaza Falls is a very famous series of
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: waterfalls located between Argentina and Brazil. They've had a lot
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: of rain recently, so the place is absolutely flooded and
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: tourists are risking their lives to get a good shot.
• 46:54
  Speaker 3: Have a look at this now.
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: Authorities have just announced they're going to be closing down
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: those walkways because they are as you could understand, worried
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: that such a force of water could Can you imagine
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: if it tears away the foundations?
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: Well maybe that's what we're.
• 47:24
  Speaker 4: Doing here in Australia. Is that the tour as a
• 47:26
  Speaker 4: mad that we're looking for.
• 47:27
  Speaker 6: Guys, can't believe you have such little faith in South
• 47:30
  Speaker 6: American engineering standards.
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: Games, We've done a few stories reach, we've got the zip.
• 47:34
  Speaker 6: Line, we've got the highest safety codes all the world.
• 47:38
  Speaker 3: I don't know, would you risk that for a selfie?
• 47:40
  Speaker 6: Or I don't even risk leaving the house anymore. I
• 47:43
  Speaker 6: might get another old lady yelling at me on the
• 47:44
  Speaker 6: travel later. Let us now go to Well, I think
• 47:48
  Speaker 6: it's a sort of story that again takes me a
• 47:51
  Speaker 6: while to get my head around, and you just think,
• 47:54
  Speaker 6: how did this happen in the world?
• 47:55
  Speaker 8: How did the world come to this?
• 47:57
  Speaker 6: But A personalized model of Ferrari is fully first fully
• 48:01
  Speaker 6: electric vehicle, which was deemed to be an absolute dud
• 48:04
  Speaker 6: when it was first launched and had a price tag
• 48:09
  Speaker 6: of six hundred and forty thousand Australian dollars five one
• 48:12
  Speaker 6: hundred and fifty thousand euros has now sold at auction
• 48:17
  Speaker 6: for you guessed it, forty million dollars.
• 48:21
  Speaker 9: Have a look twenty five million, twenty six million, thirty million,
• 48:29
  Speaker 9: thirty two million dollars, thirty two million, thirty five million dollars,
• 48:36
  Speaker 9: thirty six million dollars, forty million dollars.
• 48:44
  Speaker 6: I think it was Robin Williams who famously said that
• 48:46
  Speaker 6: cocaine was God's way of telling you that you've got
• 48:49
  Speaker 6: too much money. I think we've just found another.
• 48:52
  Speaker 4: One, because I want to know who bought it.
• 48:54
  Speaker 8: They won't. They won't tell you.
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: The money was going towards charity or something. But the
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: guy who helped us find that new Ferrari, is an
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: Aussie guy who also has helped to design Apple products
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: and helped to redesign Quantus stuff.
• 49:07
  Speaker 3: I don't think you did a good job with a
• 49:09
  Speaker 3: car though. I don't like that Ferrari at all.
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: That's it from us. We'll be back tomorrow night, but
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: stick around. Coming up is the read A Penney Show.
• 49:16
  Speaker 6: Good Night,