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BOMBSHELL: Missing Co-ed Kristin Smart Buried Under Deck? · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Prime Stories with Nancy Grace. A beautiful co ed Christmas
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Speaker 1: Smart goes missing after a college party. Years passed, no resolution,
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Speaker 1: and now we are learning the prime suspect allegedly has raped, peeped, on,
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Speaker 1: stalked twenty nine other women. And we're just hearing that
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Speaker 1: amongst so much more evidence, is it true? Human blood
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Speaker 1: has been found in the backyard of the prime suspect,
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Speaker 1: Paul Floreses Dad Ruben Flores' home. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 1: Take a listen to this. Friday, May twenty fourth, nineteen
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Speaker 1: ninety six was the start of the Memorial Day weekend.
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Speaker 1: Most students had taken off, but Kristen had stayed on campus,
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Speaker 1: so had Margharita Campos, who lived in the next room
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Speaker 1: in your hall. They had become close friends, so when
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Speaker 1: they were invited to a party that Friday night, Kristen
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Speaker 1: was excited to go. And Kristen was like, come on,
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Speaker 1: let's go, let's go, And I was like, nah, I
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Speaker 1: have to study. And so she pulled me into this
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Speaker 1: sort of like, oh, come on, let's socialize, and these
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Speaker 1: girls are inviting us out, let's go. And I was
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Speaker 1: like okay, fine, But when we got to the house.
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Speaker 1: It was pretty dead to it. It was like a
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Speaker 1: couple of roommates hanging out playing video games, and Kristen
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Speaker 1: was like, oh gosh, there has to be something better
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Speaker 1: than this. The two girls walked to an area off
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Speaker 1: campus or there were fraternities, sororities, and residential housing for students.
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Speaker 1: Marcar Rita soon decided she'd had enough. I'll never forget
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Speaker 1: her shadow against the building this apartment complex, just standing
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Speaker 1: like kind of cross armed with a long leg and
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Speaker 1: she was just kind of like looking at me like, Oh,
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Speaker 1: you're really walking away now, Like you're really you're leaving
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Speaker 1: you are hearing Jonathan Bigliotti at forty eight Hours, describing
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Speaker 1: the night that Kristin Smart goes missing. Her body has
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Speaker 1: never been recovered to this day, but is so finally
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Speaker 1: a lead in the case. It may show us reveal
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Speaker 1: where her body is with me an all star panel
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Speaker 1: to make sense of it all. First of all, veteran
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Speaker 1: trial lawyer Kathleen Murphy joining us out of North Carolina
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Speaker 1: at NC Domestic Law dot com. Doctor Bethany Marshall, renowned psychoanalysts,
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Speaker 1: joining us out of Beverly Hills, a star of a
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Speaker 1: Netflix series blaming Empire. A doctor Bethany Marshall dot com,
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Speaker 1: forensics expert, founder and director of the Cold Case Research Institute.
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Speaker 1: You can find her at Cold Case Crimes dot org.
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Speaker 1: Cheryl McCollum, doctor Pria Banerjee, forensic pathologist at Anchor Forensic
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Speaker 1: Pathology Assistant medical Examiner. And Dave Minsky Public Safety, a
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Speaker 1: military reporter sent to Maria Times on the case from
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Speaker 1: the get go. Before we go to Dave Minsky, take
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Speaker 1: a listen to more of what we know happened than night.
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Speaker 1: Christis Bart disappears. Paul keeps stopping along the way and
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Speaker 1: letting Cheryl Anderson know you can go on ahead. I've
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Speaker 1: got her, It's fine. She didn't think that was okay,
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Speaker 1: so she slowed down and walked with them. When they
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Speaker 1: reached the turn off to Cheryl's dorm, she says Flores
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Speaker 1: tried to hug and kiss her. She left them only
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Speaker 1: after he promised to take Kristan back to her dorm.
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Speaker 1: Paul and christ and then make their way here. What
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Speaker 1: happens next, So, if you believe Paul's story, he goes
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Speaker 1: into his dorm room here and he leaves her to
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Speaker 1: walk up this walkway. Her dorm entrance is right over here.
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Speaker 1: I personally think that wherever Kristen went, Paul was there
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Speaker 1: with her. I don't think that she went back to
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Speaker 1: her dorm at all. Whatever happened in those early hours,
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Speaker 1: one thing is indisputable. Christian Smart has never been seen again.
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Speaker 1: You're hearing our friends at forty eight hours. Take another
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Speaker 1: Listen to our cut too. She had ended up at
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Speaker 1: a party at this house. It's mostly frat guys from
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Speaker 1: the Kappa Kai fraternity. I don't know if Kristin knew
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Speaker 1: anybody there. Chris Lambert is a CBS News consultant, and
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Speaker 1: he's pieced together what he learned from people who were
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Speaker 1: there that night. Kristen became incredibly intoxicated, whether she was
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Speaker 1: drugged or whether she just had a lot to drink.
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Speaker 1: In a short amount of time, she ends up passed
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Speaker 1: out on the lawn next door. Lambert says Christine could
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Speaker 1: not stand on her own, so fellow student Cheryl Anderson,
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Speaker 1: who was also at the party, began helping her back
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Speaker 1: to campus. They were soon joined by another partygoer, Paul Flores.
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Speaker 1: As they describe it, Paul Flores just sort of appears
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Speaker 1: out of nowhere and offers to help. He gets his
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Speaker 1: arm around her torso and her arm around his neck,
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Speaker 1: and he's helping her walk. That's how it all went
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Speaker 1: down the night that Christian Smart disappeared. But in the
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Speaker 1: present day, major developments in the case regarding the search
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Speaker 1: of college co ed Christian Smart with me Dave Minsky,
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Speaker 1: Public Safety military reporter, Santa Maria Times. Dave, what is
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Speaker 1: the latest? I mean, what can you tell me about
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Speaker 1: this treasure trope of documents. We've just gotten our mits
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Speaker 1: and we all know that in about a week's time
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Speaker 1: there's going to be a preliminary hearing where the state
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Speaker 1: will lay out its case in order to get the
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Speaker 1: case bound over for felony prosecution. But what's in those documents? Well,
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Speaker 1: right now, what we have in these documents, you have
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Speaker 1: about forty seven plus t about eaty pages actually that
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Speaker 1: kind of layout give details of what happened to Kristen
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Speaker 1: or allegedly happened to christ on the night she disappeared,
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Speaker 1: and what they allegedly discovered at Reuben Flores' house. And
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Speaker 1: also it provides accounts of several dozen women of Paul
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Speaker 1: Flores's alleged behavior over the years. By my account, a
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Speaker 1: total of twenty nine women now coming forward claiming that
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Speaker 1: Paul Flores, then in college at the time Christian goes missing,
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Speaker 1: had either raped, stopped, drugged, or peaked on them. Twenty
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Speaker 1: nine women, separated in time and space, have come forward.
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Speaker 1: I'm just stunned that none of this has come out before,
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Speaker 1: but we're learning it now. We're also learning about very
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Speaker 1: damning evidence that's found at the home of the suspect,
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Speaker 1: Paul Flores and his add Ruben Flores. Take a listen
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Speaker 1: now to our cut five. This is Alexa Bertola at Ksby.
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Speaker 1: Paul and Reuben Flores were both in suits for their
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Speaker 1: first in person court appearance. The prosecution argued that additional
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Speaker 1: rape charges should be included in the case against Paul,
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Speaker 1: who was charged with murdering Smart during the commission of
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Speaker 1: rape or attempted rape. Prosecutor Chris Provel revealed in court
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Speaker 1: that during a search of Flores's San Pedro home in
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Speaker 1: twenty twenty, they discovered Google searches for porn related to
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Speaker 1: drunk girls. One search included real drunken girls drugged in
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Speaker 1: rate well passed out. He said they should include alleged
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Speaker 1: victims from the LA area dating back to twenty ten
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Speaker 1: and twenty seventeen. After searching Paul's cell phone in a
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Speaker 1: home video. Pravell also said Flores created home rape videos
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Speaker 1: that were stored on his home computer under a file
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Speaker 1: labeled practice, and called the defendant a serial rapist. He
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Speaker 1: said during a twenty twenty search warrants, they also found
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Speaker 1: date rape drugs at Flora's home. Okay, let me understand
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Speaker 1: this to Dave Minski joining us in the Santa Maria Times,
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Speaker 1: when they search the prime suspect, Paul Flora's home, who
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Speaker 1: was last with Kristin Smart the night she disappears, they
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Speaker 1: find a homemade date rape video montage various women drifting
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Speaker 1: in and out of consciousness while he has sex with them.
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Speaker 1: That's rape because they're unconscious and they cannot consent. They
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Speaker 1: find that, and it's called practice. And then they also
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Speaker 1: find very damning Google searches, for instance, real drunken girls
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Speaker 1: drugged and raped while passed out. I wouldn't even imagine.
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Speaker 1: I wouldn't even think to search a Google search like that.
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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, Guys, we are talking about
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Speaker 1: the most recent developments that we have learned in the
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Speaker 1: case of a missing co ed Kristen's smart a treasure
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Speaker 1: troupe of documents evidence. We've just gotten our mits on
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Speaker 1: very damny. I mean, Bethanie Marshall, you're the shrink. I'm
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Speaker 1: just a trial lawyer who in the world actually looks
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Speaker 1: on Google real drunken girls drugged and raped while passed out. Well,
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Speaker 1: it tells us so much information about him, Nancy. First
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Speaker 1: of all, it says that he wants absolute control over
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Speaker 1: his victims. He is not relating to women as people
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Speaker 1: with thoughts and feelings and motivations of their own. He
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Speaker 1: is relating to them as objects. It that there's a
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Speaker 1: certain amount of sadism in this, that he wants to
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Speaker 1: do things to them without their consent. Nancy. There were
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Speaker 1: a couple other reports that came out, one which is
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Speaker 1: that he was on the balcony of one of the
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Speaker 1: dorms with some women way back in nineteen ninety six,
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Speaker 1: and these women asked him to leave, and he would
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Speaker 1: not do it. They had to call the campus police.
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Speaker 1: Do you know for a college age man to not
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Speaker 1: leave the balcony of other students until the police arrived,
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Speaker 1: That tells me that way back then he was already
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Speaker 1: completely predatory. So I wonder some pipes with Kristen Smart
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Speaker 1: if he was sort of a practice. And one other
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Speaker 1: thing about these rapes and rape kits and everything we're
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Speaker 1: learning about men who commit rape homicide have very prolific
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Speaker 1: fantasy lives, so they often this is why they will rape,
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Speaker 1: and then they will go under ground and then they'll
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Speaker 1: rape or rape and kill because they gather so many
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Speaker 1: fetishized objects, tape, memorabilia, fetishized objects, and then they use
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Speaker 1: those to masturbate too, so that in the absence of
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Speaker 1: victims they can keep their perverse sexual life going. I
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Speaker 1: agree with you, doctor Bethany Marshall, although with twenty nine
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Speaker 1: women coming forward, I don't know how much of a
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Speaker 1: break he took these twenty nine women claiming he either
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Speaker 1: drugged and raped them, stalked them, peeped on them, and
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Speaker 1: more so he got this perverse enjoyment out of peeping
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Speaker 1: tom activity. You know, Cheryl McCollum, I'm just sick to
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Speaker 1: my stomach that it has taken so long for this
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Speaker 1: evidence to be uncovered. You know what stands out for me.
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Speaker 1: You've got the twenty nine women, but oftentimes in these
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Speaker 1: type of social settings, men are oblivious, but not with
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Speaker 1: this guy. You've got men that have coming forward saying
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Speaker 1: he was aggressive towards females at the party. You got
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Speaker 1: another man saying he even went up to him and said, dude,
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Speaker 1: we hate you. Like other men had noticed he was
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Speaker 1: hanging out at the dorm that he didn't live at,
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Speaker 1: that he was waiting in the early morning hours for somebody,
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Speaker 1: and he would follow them and stalk them and be
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Speaker 1: inappropriate with them in front of other men. So that
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Speaker 1: tells you this open secret this dude had about his
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Speaker 1: sexual predatory behavior was wide open. In fact, he had
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Speaker 1: a nickname at school. Did he not out to you,
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Speaker 1: Dave Minsky Chester the molester and psycho Paul. Yeah, that's
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Speaker 1: what they were alleging here in the documents that they released. Now,
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Speaker 1: why is it these documents are just being released, Dad Minsky?
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Speaker 1: You know, they allegedly uncovered all this evidence that you know,
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Speaker 1: Paul Flours might have raped women in la you know,
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Speaker 1: and back in April, District Attorney Saint Luis Obispo County
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Speaker 1: District Attorney Dan dow He wanted to add a rape
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Speaker 1: charge to the complaint, but the statute of limitations had expired.
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Speaker 1: So therefore they had to go back and kind of
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Speaker 1: dig up or find all this alleged evidence. And in
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Speaker 1: order to add that charge, they had to request the
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Speaker 1: judge to do that. In order to do that, they
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Speaker 1: had to show all this other evidence alleged evidence. I
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Speaker 1: also believe that all this evidence is coming forward at
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Speaker 1: a statutory time. Under the law, it has to come
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Speaker 1: out X number of days before a for instance, trial
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Speaker 1: or preliminary hearing. But another thing that's very upsetting to me,
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Speaker 1: Kathleen Murphy trial lawyer, is that the current judge says
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Speaker 1: that these rapes cannot be brought into evidence as similar
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Speaker 1: transactions to prove motive of course of conduct scheme frame
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Speaker 1: of mind. Remember with Weinstein, Harvey Weinstein, other sex attacks
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Speaker 1: on women that happened the same way as the case
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Speaker 1: in chief or allowed to show that Weinstein is what
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Speaker 1: we call a sex predator. Okay, so this is allowed
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Speaker 1: under the law. It's the same exact thing. He hits
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Speaker 1: on Christmas Smart, He starts following her, He takes her
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Speaker 1: back to his dorm. She was drugged, she had only
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Speaker 1: had like one or two drinks, but she was laying
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Speaker 1: on a lawn. She was obviously drugged. Same, Nancy. I
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Speaker 1: think you said it right on the You hit the issue.
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Speaker 1: It is the law we are allowed to bring in
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Speaker 1: that evidence, and that makes this an appealable issue. You
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Speaker 1: from the beginning, they should be allowed to bring in
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Speaker 1: all of those witnesses to show the course of conduct
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Speaker 1: is similar. Absolutely, not allowing that is outrageous. Go ahead, Dave, Well,
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Speaker 1: except the judge. You know, he thought that that evidence
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Speaker 1: would be too prejudicial to a potential jury, blah blah,
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Speaker 1: which is why he you know, I mean, that's why
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Speaker 1: very often she will call him. You and I have
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Speaker 1: been in the trenches. Very often you will get a
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Speaker 1: judge get a wild hair and disallow similar transactions. And
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Speaker 1: that's what's happening here. Of course, it's prejudicial. Every bit
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Speaker 1: of evidence the state brings on as prejudicial against the defendant.
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Speaker 1: But that doesn't mean it doesn't come into evidence. I mean,
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Speaker 1: the fact he was the last one with her, well,
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Speaker 1: that prejudices him. But it's true. I believe complaint what
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Speaker 1: but we have a video of it. And here's the thing.
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Speaker 1: I am never for keeping any information from a jury.
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Speaker 1: They should have everything that law enforcement has to make
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Speaker 1: that decision. If you keep the video of him raping
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Speaker 1: women from him, how does that help them put all
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Speaker 1: the pieces of this puzzle. Hey, Cheryl, are you sitting down?
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Speaker 1: I hope you may need to lay down for this.
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Speaker 1: Guess what the judge said that the evidence of all
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Speaker 1: the other rapes was quote too thin. Can you name
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Speaker 1: me one other felony that has to be corroborated outside
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Speaker 1: the victim's testimony other than rape? You know, I rob
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Speaker 1: a bang the bank till goes. It was him, It
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Speaker 1: was him, it was Grayson. That's all you need. So
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Speaker 1: why is it in a rape case? The victim was
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Speaker 1: saying he raped me, but that's not enough in a
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Speaker 1: rape case. And this judge upon the bitch. I hope
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Speaker 1: he is recalled. I can only pray that his constituents
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Speaker 1: are listening, says these women's their testimony quote too thin.
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Speaker 1: You've been fighting for a long time, and when we
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Speaker 1: first started, women had to pay for their rate kits.
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Speaker 1: We had to fight for that to change. There was
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Speaker 1: no other case at all, not entering auto, not burglary,
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Speaker 1: not homicide. We're a victim out to paper evidence crime
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Speaker 1: stories with Nancy Grace, Guys We are talking about a cash,
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Speaker 1: a treasure trove of documents that Dave Minsky with Santa
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Speaker 1: Maria Times is describing that we have just gotten our
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Speaker 1: hands on in the Christian Smart disappearance that has gone
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Speaker 1: unsought for years and years. I've talked to her parents.
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Speaker 1: Can you imagine every morning they wake up without their
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Speaker 1: daughter and no justice. But it's not just about the
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Speaker 1: twenty nine other budged victims of his. It's not just
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Speaker 1: about his freaky CD. It's not just about his damning
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Speaker 1: Google searches. Take a Lissa to our cut six. This
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Speaker 1: is k sby. He added that four cadaver dogs hit
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Speaker 1: on Flores's mattress in his dorm room, adding they believe
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Speaker 1: Smart died in or around his bed back in nineteen
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Speaker 1: ninety six. The defense fired back, arguing that there is
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Speaker 1: zero evidence of rape, attempted rape, or murder. Attorney Robert
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Speaker 1: Singer said he was very disappointed in the effort to
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Speaker 1: make an emotional argument instead of facts. He said investigators
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Speaker 1: have been focusing on Flores since June six, nineteen ninety six,
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Speaker 1: when Flores stopped talking after voluntarily talking to law enforcement.
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Speaker 1: Singer claims Smart disappear before in Hawaii, and also that
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Speaker 1: three or more people reported the college freshman may have
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Speaker 1: been pregnant at the time she disappeared. The judge ruled
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Speaker 1: that there would be a spillover effect into the current case,
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Speaker 1: which he said has little to no evidence of rape.
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Speaker 1: Were attempted rape, so the motion to add new rape
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Speaker 1: charges was denied. All right, and Rade the victim through
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Speaker 1: them ud claiming that this teen girl was pregnant. I've
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Speaker 1: never heard that in my life. Now the defense attorney,
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Speaker 1: what is he a gynecologist? Why to say? Why would
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Speaker 1: he say that as total bs to make Kristin's Smart
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Speaker 1: look bad? Now, but that's not all present day. Take
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Speaker 1: a listen to our friends at k e YT. This
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Speaker 1: is our cut. Seven prosecutors will try to prove that
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Speaker 1: the remains of Kristen Smart were buried under the Arroyal
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Speaker 1: Grande home of Reuben Flores under a deck in the
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Speaker 1: back of the property, five days after the home was searched.
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Speaker 1: On February fourth of twenty twenty, a neighbor says they
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Speaker 1: saw Paul's mother and Flores and her boyfriend Mike McConville
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Speaker 1: pull a trailer into Reuben Flores's backyard near the deck.
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Speaker 1: A long time renter at the home on White Court
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Speaker 1: says the space underneath that deck was always locked. Authorities
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Speaker 1: returned to search the entire property on March fifteenth, and
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Speaker 1: archaeologists use ground penetrating radar under the deck. The documents
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Speaker 1: say that data showed a large four by six foot anomaly.
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Speaker 1: The experts said they found a major disturbance. Prosecutors argue
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Speaker 1: this is the exact scenario where someone would dig the hole,
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Speaker 1: put in the body, re excavate the hole to remove
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Speaker 1: the body, then fill it back in once the body
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Speaker 1: has been removed. The document states samples tested positive for
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Speaker 1: human blood in the area. I feel like my head
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Speaker 1: is about to blow off, Cheryl McCollum. You and I
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Speaker 1: together have gone on many many sayings including where we
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Speaker 1: bring cadaver dogs and ground penetrating sonar and what that does?
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Speaker 1: It looks like some have you ever seen those people
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Speaker 1: on the beach looking for money or rings that might
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Speaker 1: be in the sand. That's what it looks like. And
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Speaker 1: they device gives you a picture deep deep down into
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Speaker 1: the soil, and you can see once you take it
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Speaker 1: back and look at it, if that soil has been
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Speaker 1: moved rearranged. That's what it's looking for, or it might
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Speaker 1: actually find an object. It's kind of like a sonogram.
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Speaker 1: For you ladies like me that have had a somnogra
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Speaker 1: have to look at your children in your tummy. That's
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Speaker 1: kind of what it looks like. And so you see
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Speaker 1: all these gray ways and then you see something that
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Speaker 1: are different. That means the ground has been disturbed. So
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Speaker 1: now they find this area Cheryl mc collumn, that looks
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Speaker 1: like the shape of a casket. Why do people always
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Speaker 1: do in the shape of a casket. In fact, you
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Speaker 1: and I were just at a scene under a definite
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Speaker 1: lady convicted where he built a deck over the body.
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Speaker 1: I'm talking about, Chase Master. That's what's happening here. They
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Speaker 1: even find human blood, Cheryl not long ago, using the
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Speaker 1: ground in a trait and radar, and we found a
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Speaker 1: pipe and even with that image you could tell clearly
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Speaker 1: it was some type of metal object. Here's here's a thing.
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Speaker 1: They've got blood, they've got a clandestine grave that she's
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Speaker 1: been removed from. They've got video, they've got similar transaction.
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Speaker 1: They've got witnesses that are male and female. They've got
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Speaker 1: a pattern of behavior that I guarantee you if investigators
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Speaker 1: would go back started in high school, they should piece
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Speaker 1: this together and put this in front of a jury,
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Speaker 1: almost like a movie the way you would do. Let
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Speaker 1: show this predator for the hunter that he is, and
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Speaker 1: what about this it's a it's a I swore I
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Speaker 1: would not curse tins. Yes, David, Dave Miski, I mean
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Speaker 1: I got to hear about the blood. Was the blood
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Speaker 1: found in the dirt or on the bottom of the
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Speaker 1: debt and this is a whole family affair. Did I
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Speaker 1: hear correctly, Dave Minsky that after the last sort of
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Speaker 1: the home, that one of the last sort of the home,
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Speaker 1: the mom and her boyfriend pull up with a trailer
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Speaker 1: to the back deck and dig something up. Help me, Minsky? Yeah,
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Speaker 1: well that was alleged by a neighbor who caught them,
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Speaker 1: allegedly caught them, you know, or you know, putting a
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Speaker 1: trailer up to his house and doing something and hauling
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Speaker 1: something away. But you know, we don't know what that is.
23:35
Speaker 1: And I also just want to add real quick that
23:38
Speaker 1: you know, there may have been a positive presence for
23:42
Speaker 1: human blood and the dirt or in the in that
23:45
Speaker 1: clandestine grave that you're describing. However, no DNA evidence was
23:49
Speaker 1: attached to that, so they can't you know, rule out
23:53
Speaker 1: that she was there, nor that they could rule out
23:56
Speaker 1: that she wasn't there. Well, can't we tell that it's human?
23:58
Speaker 1: What about that door? Preyert Banner forensic pathologist anchor forensic
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Speaker 1: pathology assistant medical examiner. Can't wait to tell if it's
24:07
Speaker 1: human blood even if we don't get DNA. Yes, I mean,
24:11
Speaker 1: I think that's a huge find and they can do
24:14
Speaker 1: I'm not sure about field test, but if you collect it,
24:16
Speaker 1: you know, that's one of the first steps in testing
24:19
Speaker 1: any sort of trace evidence is it human or not?
24:22
Speaker 1: You know, I just wanted to add that I do
24:24
Speaker 1: go to a lot of crime scenes as a part
24:26
Speaker 1: of my work, and any sort of indication like this,
24:31
Speaker 1: you know, you should have more eyes out there. I've
24:34
Speaker 1: been you know, involved in multiple on earthing of you know,
24:40
Speaker 1: digging up of bodies. You can really get a sense
24:43
Speaker 1: of if something's been disturbed recently, even if you know
24:47
Speaker 1: the grass grows back different. Why did a deck appear?
24:51
Speaker 1: Why is there a new path of cement? I mean,
24:53
Speaker 1: people notice these things and I think it's worth going
24:56
Speaker 1: back and if there's blood in that area, why not
24:59
Speaker 1: start digging, you know, um and see if there's crass
25:03
Speaker 1: of you know, clothing or other hair. I mean, I
25:07
Speaker 1: don't know what would have survived, So that's really important
25:10
Speaker 1: to get some skilled eyes out there. Let me understand
25:13
Speaker 1: what you're saying. Day Man's key. I agree with everything.
25:16
Speaker 1: Doctor pre Advantages just said. You're telling me that there
25:20
Speaker 1: was blood found, but they couldn't get DNA or we
25:23
Speaker 1: don't know if they've gotten DNA. Well, according to this, uh,
25:28
Speaker 1: these documents, it looks like there is no human DNA
25:31
Speaker 1: that was found in the blood due to the blood's petrification.
25:35
Speaker 1: And also you know the tests they use. I guess whatever,
25:40
Speaker 1: whatever kind of tests it was, it couldn't screen out
25:44
Speaker 1: primate or ferret blood. But also you know, later on
25:48
Speaker 1: in the document it said that you know, no, no
25:51
Speaker 1: bodies of primates or ferrets are found nearby. So I
25:54
Speaker 1: was going to say, like, I gotta jump in here,
25:57
Speaker 1: Jo Cheryl. Let's see, an animal did not go into
26:02
Speaker 1: that deck and die and better than sales and nor
26:06
Speaker 1: did another animal come along and unearth them and move
26:09
Speaker 1: them more than ten feet didn't. Are you sure to
26:13
Speaker 1: tell me they don't know if it was an animal
26:15
Speaker 1: or a human. Is that what you're saying? Apparently? Yeah?
26:19
Speaker 1: You know, I mean, you know, I read through all
26:21
Speaker 1: these documents. I still distill a lot of questions I
26:25
Speaker 1: have in my mind, and I just I don't really see. Well,
26:28
Speaker 1: the document that we have recovered in this huge amount
26:32
Speaker 1: of discovery says that samples tested positive for human blood
26:38
Speaker 1: in the area. Correct, right, So why are we talking
26:44
Speaker 1: about a primate who speaking? It's a docum energy Go ahead, dodger. Yeah,
26:50
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm just saying, like, why isn't that probable
26:52
Speaker 1: cause enough to start digging? I mean, they are digging.
26:57
Speaker 1: They dug it up and there's not a body. Time
27:12
Speaker 1: stories with Nancy Grace, everybody were talking about the disappearance,
27:17
Speaker 1: and I believe rape and murder co ed Kristen Smart.
27:23
Speaker 1: Isn't it true that now the mother and her BF
27:28
Speaker 1: have been charged. I don't know if I don't think
27:33
Speaker 1: they've been charged. Excuse me? Named in a civil lawsuit. Yes,
27:37
Speaker 1: they were about the civil law correct, right, Well, the
27:41
Speaker 1: civil lawsuit alleged is just what you you mentioned that.
27:45
Speaker 1: In s February of twenty twenty, the Sheriff's office conducted
27:49
Speaker 1: a search on Reuben Flora as his home in Arroyo
27:52
Speaker 1: Grinder and then with honor. About five five or so
27:56
Speaker 1: days after that, that's when Susan Flora's and her boyfriend
28:00
Speaker 1: Mike mcconbell allegedly went to Reuben's house did something you
28:05
Speaker 1: know with the trailer and worked quote under the cover
28:08
Speaker 1: or under the darkness of night to remove something and
28:11
Speaker 1: hallowed away. We don't know what it was, and we
28:14
Speaker 1: don't know if it's really true. So, guy John Van
28:19
Speaker 1: about this. You know, this whole family is covering up
28:24
Speaker 1: the crime. It's obvious. But the only person who doesn't
28:28
Speaker 1: truly have skin in the game is Mike, Susan Flores's
28:32
Speaker 1: current boyfriend. This whole family has been conspiring and plotting
28:36
Speaker 1: for years to cover up the crime of Chester, the molester,
28:40
Speaker 1: the strange now adult son. I'm sure there's multiple other
28:44
Speaker 1: things he's done. I'm sure the whole family dynamic is
28:48
Speaker 1: organized around covering up their son's dysfunction problem criminal activities.
28:55
Speaker 1: But Mike mccondrel, he's a newer member of the family.
28:59
Speaker 1: Do you think he's really going to go to prison?
29:02
Speaker 1: I mean, Reuben Flores is not his biological son. What
29:07
Speaker 1: motivation does he have to cover up the crime. I mean,
29:10
Speaker 1: if we look at the behavioral elegance, I couldn't imagine
29:13
Speaker 1: that there's not at least one extended family member or
29:18
Speaker 1: a friend of a family member who doesn't know something
29:21
Speaker 1: about this crime. Nancy, I was in a royal grande recently,
29:26
Speaker 1: the small town where the family lives. There's a huge
29:29
Speaker 1: billboard there with Kristen Smart's picture, the same picture that's
29:34
Speaker 1: all over the internet. A lot of people know about
29:37
Speaker 1: this crime. It's hard to believe that somebody doesn't have
29:40
Speaker 1: something that they can talk to about, talk about to
29:44
Speaker 1: the police. I want to be specific about what Dave
29:48
Speaker 1: Minsky is telling us. He's right. We are now learning
29:52
Speaker 1: that Saint Louis Bispo investigators discovered human blood under the
29:57
Speaker 1: home of Paul Flora's father, but records also show they
30:01
Speaker 1: found fabric fibers in the place where they believe Christen
30:06
Speaker 1: Smart was buried. The ground penetrating radar found a six
30:11
Speaker 1: by four foot anomaly, in other words, where somebody had
30:15
Speaker 1: dug under the home. Four soil samples test positive for
30:20
Speaker 1: human blood, but not for DNA. An archaeologist named Cindy Errington,
30:26
Speaker 1: as I recall found standing in the dirt to indicate
30:29
Speaker 1: a body had been put in a hole, chemical poured
30:33
Speaker 1: over it, the whole field in and the body moved later.
30:39
Speaker 1: Now again, I'm a trial lawyer. This is what an
30:43
Speaker 1: archaeologist is saying. Nancy, pardon me for playing the devil's
30:50
Speaker 1: advocate here, but I don't see anything that conclusively linked
30:54
Speaker 1: Smart to this location. Yeah, okay, was that the devil's
31:01
Speaker 1: advocate part? Yeah, well, you know you've got yeah, there's
31:05
Speaker 1: no DNA found, right, you just have the positive presence
31:08
Speaker 1: for human blood. But you also have, you know, some
31:11
Speaker 1: sample fibers containing various colors of red, blue, brown, black,
31:15
Speaker 1: and brown and black. And isn't it true when Christa
31:19
Speaker 1: Smart was last saying she was wearing red Puma shoes,
31:22
Speaker 1: black shorts with white stripes at a great top. Correct
31:26
Speaker 1: if you can somehow prove that you know, these fibers
31:30
Speaker 1: are linked to Kristen Smart and there might be something there.
31:34
Speaker 1: Let me ask you something, Dave Minsky. If you went
31:37
Speaker 1: into your studio and when you went in, the sun
31:41
Speaker 1: was shining, it was beautiful weather outside, but when you
31:45
Speaker 1: left for lunch, you looked around and everything was dark
31:49
Speaker 1: and gray, there were black clouds overhead, and women were
31:53
Speaker 1: going by holding their raincoats, and men rushing by with umbrellas,
31:57
Speaker 1: and the ground was wet. Believe, yes, that circumstantial evidence
32:04
Speaker 1: would prove to you beyond a reasonable doubt that it
32:09
Speaker 1: had rained while you were in the studio, I might agree.
32:13
Speaker 1: Do you agree I might reach that answer via conclusion
32:19
Speaker 1: by exclusion? Yeah, well, I don't know what you're saying.
32:23
Speaker 1: That's gibberish to me, but I will tell you that
32:27
Speaker 1: as you just said, you would think you immediately said,
32:29
Speaker 1: oh it rained. Yeah, you didn't see the storm, did you.
32:33
Speaker 1: You didn't see the rain drops, you didn't hear the lightning,
32:37
Speaker 1: but you know it rained. And I would argue in
32:41
Speaker 1: this case that Paul Floris was all over Christmas Smart
32:47
Speaker 1: at this party. In fact, they fell to the floor.
32:50
Speaker 1: He somehow, in his wrestling at the party, knocked her
32:55
Speaker 1: to the floor. They fell together, and people took him
32:57
Speaker 1: apart and went, man, you need to leave her alone.
33:00
Speaker 1: Then somehow at this party she, after one or two drinks,
33:06
Speaker 1: passed out on a lawn, and then he took her
33:10
Speaker 1: cadaver dogs hit in his bedroom, his dorm, at his bed.
33:16
Speaker 1: She's never seen alive again, and now dirt is moved.
33:25
Speaker 1: There's a casket shape hole in his dad's backyard with
33:29
Speaker 1: human blood in it. I don't need to say the
33:33
Speaker 1: storm Dave Minsky to know it. Reigned. Take a listen
33:39
Speaker 1: to our friend, Our cut eight Alexa Bertola Kspy. Eighty
33:44
Speaker 1: total pages submitted before Wednesday's motion hearing are now unsealed.
33:48
Speaker 1: On June twenty fifth, the LA County District Attorney's Office
33:51
Speaker 1: granted permission to our jurisdiction to prosecute two counts of rate.
33:55
Speaker 1: The documents claimed Paul Flores read two women in twenty
33:59
Speaker 1: eleven and twenty seventeen in San Pedro. On June twenty ninth,
34:02
Speaker 1: the defense filed opposition citing the rape charges where a
34:05
Speaker 1: publicity stunt stating there is no new evidence tying Floors
34:09
Speaker 1: to the disappearance of Smart since the initial investigation. It
34:13
Speaker 1: goes on to say this may more accurately be characterized
34:16
Speaker 1: as adding week but sensational counts to a week or
34:19
Speaker 1: non existent murder case. The prosecution then filed a forty
34:23
Speaker 1: three page response in a phone tap in January twenty twenty.
34:27
Speaker 1: The document says Susan Paul's mother had a conversation with him, saying, quote,
34:32
Speaker 1: the other thing I need you to do is to
34:34
Speaker 1: start listening to the podcast. I need you to listen
34:37
Speaker 1: to everything they say so we can punch holes in it.
34:40
Speaker 1: Wherever we can punch holes, maybe we can't. You you're
34:43
Speaker 1: the one that can tell me. And also to our
34:46
Speaker 1: nine this is Megan Heal a KSB line plus. Then
34:50
Speaker 1: twenty four hours after posting bail, Reuben Flores is hit
34:53
Speaker 1: with a lawsuit filed Thursday morning on behalf of the
34:56
Speaker 1: Smart family. Civil attorney James Murphy filed an intention infliction
35:00
Speaker 1: of emotional distressed lawsuit saying there's compelling evidence Reuben and
35:05
Speaker 1: Susan Flores and Susan's boyfriend quote worked through the night
35:08
Speaker 1: under the cover of darkness to remove the remains of
35:11
Speaker 1: Kristen Smart to avoid having those remains at seven ten
35:14
Speaker 1: White Court in the event of an additional search of
35:17
Speaker 1: the property, and we have information that the contents of
35:20
Speaker 1: that grave site was then offloaded in some manner to
35:25
Speaker 1: another location. He alleged is that Christen's remains were removed
35:29
Speaker 1: from Ruben's property and scattered in the Wazna area after
35:33
Speaker 1: the San Luis Obispol County Sheriff's Office served search warrants
35:36
Speaker 1: at the Floors home on February fifth, twenty. The civil
35:40
Speaker 1: lawsuit is based upon the fact that biological materials were
35:45
Speaker 1: found in the ground in a whole adjacent to the
35:49
Speaker 1: wall of Reuben Flores's house and unders deck. To you,
35:53
Speaker 1: Cheryl McCollum, we learned that the night, as Dave Minsky
35:58
Speaker 1: accurately reported from the Santa Maria Times, that a neighbor
36:01
Speaker 1: says they saw a trailer of sorts pulling up to
36:05
Speaker 1: the back of the Flora's home. That all through the night,
36:09
Speaker 1: the neighbor could hear arguing all night long, all night long,
36:14
Speaker 1: that lights were on, and that there was a ruckus
36:19
Speaker 1: going on in the back, in the cloak, under the
36:22
Speaker 1: cloak of darkness. Well, it would have to be a
36:24
Speaker 1: pretty stressful event because you have to make sure that
36:27
Speaker 1: you're getting every single bone, button, shoe, earring, anything that
36:34
Speaker 1: might be in that clandestine grave. And let me just
36:38
Speaker 1: say one other thing, Nancy, because this to me again
36:40
Speaker 1: is common sense. Who other than somebody with the last
36:43
Speaker 1: name of Floras would need to move that body If
36:47
Speaker 1: I'm a stranger and just happened to pick that kid's
36:50
Speaker 1: porch to hide a body under. I ain't moving it.
36:53
Speaker 1: Let him take the fall. We wait for this preliminary
36:58
Speaker 1: hearing set to go down and a matter of days
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Speaker 1: where we will hear more evidence. Nancy Grace Crimes story,
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Speaker 1: signing off, Goodbye friend,