Latest / Admonition Podcast / 1 Timothy 3 (Lesson 12) - Aaron Cozort - 05-04-2025
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- 0:01Let's begin with a word of prayer.
- 0:08A gracious Father in heaven, we bow before your throne, grateful for this day that you've granted to us, grateful for your blessings and all that you do for us each and every day.
- 0:19Lord, we pray that as we go throughout this day and throughout the remainder of our lives, we might strive diligently to be faithful to you, to be servants of yours.
- 0:31We pray that we might look to you for guidance and for strength in all that we do.
- 0:37Lord, we ask that you watch over this congregation and its members.
- 0:41We ask that you help us to be diligent in the labor and the work of your kingdom.
- 0:47We pray that you will ah bless the work that we do as it is faithful in your sight.
- 0:54Lord, we pray that you be with those who are traveling and those who are away from home.
- 0:59We pray that they arrive back to their uh home safely.
- 1:04We pray also for those who are dealing with illness and for chronic illness especially, we pray that you will help them overcome the difficulties and the struggles that they face on
- 1:15a daily basis.
- 1:17Lord, we pray that you be with this nation and its leaders.
- 1:21We pray that you be with this community and those who make decisions in it.
- 1:27Help us to be always those who are looking for those who need and are
- 1:33looking for the gospel, looking to hear the truth, and then we might be ready always with a reason of the hope that is within us.
- 1:40All this we pray and ask in Jesus' name, amen.
- 1:46As we continue our discussion concerning elders, we got down to verse four.
- 1:54One who rules his own house well.
- 1:59having his children in submission with all reverence.
- 2:05Some details that are important in this.
- 2:09Number one, can an elder be an individual who has no children?
- 2:18No.
- 2:18All right.
- 2:21Does the passage state,
- 2:24or even imply in any way shape or form that the elder's children must be his own biological children.
- 2:37No, there's nothing in the text that indicates that.
- 2:40True or false?
- 2:41uh We are the children of God.
- 2:45True.
- 2:46True or false?
- 2:46We are the children of God by adoption through Jesus Christ.
- 2:51True.
- 2:51So are we the children of God or not?
- 2:54We are.
- 2:54Okay.
- 2:56Now, obviously there are some issues that can arise and some things and considerations that could arise if a child is
- 3:06adopted instead of biological, for instance, that parent may not have had that child their entire lives, right?
- 3:18So if you adopt a child at 16 years old, how much influence are you going to have by the time they're 18 on how the trajectory of their life is?
- 3:31Very little, very little.
- 3:33The majority of that influence is
- 3:36from somebody else prior.
- 3:38So obviously there are some considerations to be had when you're dealing with an elder or an individual who's being considered for the eldership who has adopted children or
- 3:50fostered children along the way.
- 3:52There are some things that need to come into play here because their influence isn't the only influence in that family, okay?
- 4:00But.
- 4:02It is important for us to realize that the fact that a husband and a wife are barren and have never been able to have children but instead have adopted children does not exclude a
- 4:13man from being able to be qualified as an elder, okay?
- 4:19The statement, the qualification here is not about the number of children that they have.
- 4:29It is what they have done.
- 4:31with the children that they have.
- 4:34Because notice the passage and notice what it states.
- 4:38This individual must be one who rules his own house well, having his children in what?
- 4:50submission with what?
- 4:53With reverence.
- 4:55All right, a couple of things that are important here.
- 4:57Number one, that word children in this passage is not the word for little children.
- 5:07It's not even the word for growing or adolescent children.
- 5:13It is the word for offspring.
- 5:18This passage would disqualify someone whose children seemed to be faithful all their years they grew up in a person's home, and the moment they left home, that child went off the
- 5:38rails, became disrespectful and irreverent and out of submission to their parents.
- 5:44The moment they left home, that person is disqualified from being an elder.
- 5:51This picture is of an individual who has so raised his children that their relationship to him is their relationship to God.
- 6:10How are we as the children of God to relate to God?
- 6:17We are to be
- 6:19submissive to Him with all reverence.
- 6:26Now at what age do we get to stop being submissive to God with all reverence?
- 6:33When we die.
- 6:37What was the first commandment with promise according to Jesus when he spoke concerning the old law?
- 6:51No.
- 6:53Honor thy father and mother for it shall be well with you that you may dwell long on the earth.
- 7:03All the way back to the giving of the Ten Commandments and arguably all the way back to earlier than that, but at least in this context to the Ten Commandments, God has
- 7:15stipulated that it is the obligation
- 7:21of children to so act toward their parents as to show them submission, reverence, and honor specifically in view of the fact that when they are old, that child will provide for
- 7:39them in their old age.
- 7:45The role and responsibility of a father in view of this and the qualifications of an elder is having so raised his children, having so brought up his children, that they have seen
- 7:58God in him so much so that they react toward him as they react toward God.
- 8:09At what age does a parent stop having responsibility toward God for their children?
- 8:22When they die.
- 8:24How do we know this?
- 8:26Well, turn back to 1 Samuel.
- 8:30Actually, the end of the book of Judges, I believe, is where the passage is that I'm looking for.
- 8:57Actually, is 1 Samuel.
- 8:58Sorry.
- 8:581 Samuel chapter 2.
- 9:06First Samuel chapter two, verse 22.
- 9:11Now Eli was very old, and he heard everything his sons did to all Israel, how they lay with the women who assembled at the door of the tabernacle of meeting.
- 9:26So he said to them, why do you do such things?
- 9:29For I hear of your evil dealings from all the people.
- 9:33oh
- 9:34"'No, my sons, for it is not a good report that I hear.
- 9:38"'You make the Lord's people transgress.
- 9:41"'If one man sins against another, God will judge him.
- 9:46"'But if a man sins against the Lord, "'who will intercede for him?
- 9:50"'Nevertheless, they did not heed the voice of their father "'because the Lord desired to kill them.'"
- 10:04How old was Eli when he spoke to his sons about their actions?
- 10:12Very old.
- 10:16which indicates that they were what?
- 10:22grown.
- 10:22As a matter of fact, we know they were grown.
- 10:24We don't even have to guess about it because you had to be above the age of 25 to be a priest and they were priests.
- 10:34They were performing these evils while they were standing in the position as priests.
- 10:44So in order to be a priest, you had to be of an adult age.
- 10:49And since they were of an adult age because they were priests, we know that this situation occurs after they are adults, not while they are young and at home.
- 11:02And notice Eli rebukes them, but they don't listen.
- 11:08Notice what else the text says.
- 11:11Verse 26,
- 11:13And the child Samuel grew in stature and in favor both with the Lord and man.
- 11:18Then a man of God came to Eli and said to him, Thus says the Lord, Did I not clearly reveal myself to the house of your father when they were in Egypt in Pharaoh's house?
- 11:28Did I not choose him out of all the tribes of Israel to be my priest, to offer upon my altar to burn incense and to wear an ephed before me?
- 11:37And did I not give to the house of your father all the offerings of the children of Israel made by fire?
- 11:43Why do you kick at my sacrifice and my offering, which I have commanded in my dwelling place, and honor your sons more than me, to make yourselves fat with the best of all the
- 11:58offerings of Israel my people?" God sends a prophet to Eli, and the prophet comes to Eli, and he does not accuse Eli's sons
- 12:13He accuses Eli.
- 12:17Now, when you read of Eli's death, you will read that he will die when the news comes back that the Ark of the Covenant has been taken by the Philistines, and he was sitting there
- 12:33at the front of the tabernacle, and he died by falling backward.
- 12:41And the indication is breaking his neck, and the text says, for he was a very fat man.
- 12:49Now the prophet here is not accusing Eli of being fat.
- 12:54The prophet is accusing Eli of becoming fat off of the offerings of the Lord that didn't belong to Eli but rather belonged to the Lord.
- 13:07Eli had set an example for his sons of abusing the priesthood.
- 13:16And then his sons had taken it that much further.
- 13:20Notice the text continues.
- 13:22He says, behold the days are coming.
- 13:24Sorry, verse 30.
- 13:28Therefore the Lord God of Israel says I said indeed that your house and the house of your father would walk before uh Would walk before me forever But now the Lord says far be it
- 13:40from me for those who honor me I will honor and those who despise me shall be lightly esteemed Behold the days are coming that I will cut off your arm and the arm of your
- 13:51father's house so that there will not be an old man in your house and you will see an enemy in
- 13:58my dwelling place, despite all the good which God does for Israel, and there shall not be an old man in your house forever.
- 14:06But any of your man whom I do not cut off from my altar shall consume your eyes and grieve your heart, and all the descendants of your house shall die in the flower of their age.
- 14:17Now this shall be a sign to you that will come upon your two sons on Haphnei and Phinehas, in one day they shall die."
- 14:27both of them.
- 14:28Then I will raise up for myself a faithful priest who shall do according to what is in my heart and my mind.
- 14:36I will build him a sure house and he shall walk before my anointed forever." God establishes with Eli that it didn't matter how old Eli was, he was accountable for his
- 14:54children.
- 14:56He was accountable for himself and God was going to hold him accountable.
- 15:04You step forward to 1 Samuel chapter seven.
- 15:10You'll find out that one of the accusations against Samuel, as Samuel has now become a judge in Israel, is that Samuel's sons did not behave in the way that Samuel behaved.
- 15:30That Israel...
- 15:31wanted a king partly because, or at least partly the excuse was because Samuel's sons did not behave properly in their roles and in their actions.
- 15:45You can continue on down through the text, Old Testament, New Testament alike.
- 15:52And you will find that God's position concerning parents is they stop becoming accountable for the actions of their children when they die.
- 16:06and they no longer have a say.
- 16:09Up until that point, God holds them accountable for their children.
- 16:15And you say, well Aaron, my child is an adult and they don't listen to me anymore.
- 16:23That disqualifies you as an elder.
- 16:27Will there be times that a child chooses their own instruction, their own will, and their own decision making process instead of their parents?
- 16:38Yes.
- 16:41But there should not be a time in the life of a child who has been raised by godly parents where they ignore their parents, they do not submit to their parents, and they show no
- 16:53reverence for their parents.
- 16:57And if that is the case...
- 17:02That person is at least at that moment in time, that period of time, not qualified to be an elder.
- 17:10Now notice the argument that Paul makes in 1 Timothy chapter three.
- 17:20Paul is going to establish that this submission, this reverence, this position that they have earned for themselves, because you don't get here by an accident as a father.
- 17:38He says, one who rules his own house well, having his children in submission with all reverence, for, here's the reason, God knew this was not going to be one of those things
- 17:49that was just going to be acceptable to everybody who everybody just agreed with.
- 17:54God's going to explain why this is the rule.
- 17:58For if a man does not know how to rule his own house,
- 18:05How will he take care of the Church of God?
- 18:12God is making it clear if this individual has not so led their life, has not so patterned their life and made choices throughout their life so as to create in their own house
- 18:28submission and reverence to authority as to God, how are they going to take care of the church?
- 18:41Here we find a principle that Jesus discussed, and that is that the one who is faithful in little will be made what?
- 18:56ruler over much.
- 19:00But to him who is not faithful in little, even that which he has will be taken away."
- 19:09God is making it clear.
- 19:12There is a lifelong qualification process for being an elder, and that's the household of that man.
- 19:20Yes.
- 19:31Thank
- 19:47that the husband has to rule well his house, we ought to also be teaching children.
- 19:53You can call...
- 20:00Sometimes.
- 20:02situation and
- 20:07children.
- 20:12to you when it says train up a child and he won't depart from it.
- 20:15We've seen it happen.
- 20:16We've seen godly people raise godly children.
- 20:25So what Eddie brings up is absolutely true.
- 20:29know, we've seen and anyone who's been in the church for years has seen families that you thought, wow, that's a strong family.
- 20:39You know, every indicator is their children are at home.
- 20:43Is that's a strong, faithful family?
- 20:45And then you watch the oldest child leave home.
- 20:50and go off the rails.
- 20:51And then you watch the next child leave home and go off the rails and the next child leave home and go off the rails.
- 21:00Here's the thing.
- 21:04it would be of some people's mindset to say, but wait a minute, while they were at home, they were faithful.
- 21:13While they were at home, they were in submission.
- 21:17The text doesn't say while they're at home.
- 21:23The text says in all submission, yes.
- 21:44So what is one, and let me answer that by asking a question.
- 21:51What is one of the roles of an elder in the body of Christ if we were to reflect on the flock and the shepherd?
- 22:05bring back those that have gone astray.
- 22:08The qualification of a shepherd is not that there's never been a sheep that ever wandered away under his watch.
- 22:17But what's the picture that Jesus presents of the Good Shepherd?
- 22:25Absolutely.
- 22:27That he will stop at nothing to retrieve the lost one.
- 22:36Now, is a parent who says, you know what, I just have no influence over my children, we just decided not to talk about it.
- 22:47Is that the picture of the good shepherd?
- 22:50No.
- 22:52Is the, now.
- 22:53You also have a scenario, don't you, in a picture of another father who his son goes off and lives in all sorts of sin and iniquity and then returns back and repents.
- 23:13Was the father accountable for his son the entire time?
- 23:19Yes, he was.
- 23:20But did he have any influence over bringing him back or did he have to allow the son to find his own way back?
- 23:30But what did the Father do for His entire growing up time that made it possible for the Son to come back?
- 23:40He taught Him properly.
- 23:43The Son came, the text says, came to His senses.
- 23:49He realized that what He had abandoned in His own foolishness was everything He had always looked for.
- 23:59So the prodigal son comes back.
- 24:01He repents.
- 24:07Ten years down the road, Prodigal Son's been faithful, submissive to his father, under control.
- 24:17We'll ignore the older brother for a minute, OK?
- 24:21Let's just assume both sons have been faithful, in submission, under control.
- 24:26Is the father qualified to be an elder?
- 24:29Yes.
- 24:32Why?
- 24:33Because one of the requirements of an elder is he bring back the faithful.
- 24:38Another is that he accept back the penitent.
- 24:45You see, we have these pictures, and one of the things that is important for us to not do is to not treat men as though they have more power, authority, and capability than God.
- 25:03Yes.
- 25:39Okay, good question.
- 25:41So the question falls under the category of what is accountability and what is culpability, okay?
- 25:51uh And there's a great passage for this.
- 25:54Turn to Ezekiel chapter 18.
- 25:56So let me restate the question is, if a father is accountable for his children's actions and if a child goes off into sin and uh unfaithfulness, the father then dies, when he
- 26:12reaches judgment, will he be told, I'm sorry, though you have lived faithful, your son has been unfaithful, your child has been unfaithful, therefore you are held
- 26:21accountable for the actions of your child, therefore you will not enter heaven.
- 26:26Turn to Ezekiel chapter 18, if you're not already there, probably already are, I forgot to turn while I was talking.
- 26:32So Ezekiel chapter 18.
- 26:36Ezekiel discusses this in view of Israel, but he discusses this so that Israel might understand exactly what is going on.
- 26:46Ezekiel chapter 18 verse 1, the word of the Lord came to me again saying, what do you mean when you use this proverb concerning the land of Israel saying the fathers have eaten sour
- 26:58grapes and the children's teeth are set on edge?
- 27:03Alright, so perspective here.
- 27:05Israel, so Ezekiel is in captivity between the second and the third carrying away of Israel.
- 27:14He's in Babylon, he's writing back to the people who are still in Israel, still claiming, know what, even though Babylon's come against us twice,
- 27:25and carried a portion of the people away, God's not going to completely and utterly destroy Israel.
- 27:30And he says there's a proverb going around in Israel, the fathers have eaten sour grapes and the children's teeth are set on edge.
- 27:39What happens when you eat a sour grape?
- 27:43Your teeth are set on edge, not your children's, right?
- 27:48But the proverb was saying from Israel, the children are being held accountable for the sins of the parents.
- 27:55We're not the ones guilty of all these things.
- 27:57We're not being carried away for our own sins.
- 27:59We're being carried away for our parents' sins, is what Israel was claiming.
- 28:03Now.
- 28:04As I live, says the Lord God, you shall no longer use this proverb in Israel.
- 28:10Behold, all souls are mine.
- 28:12The soul of the Father as well as the soul of the Son is mine.
- 28:17The soul whose sins shall die.
- 28:22But if a man is just and does what is lawful and right,
- 28:27If he has not eaten on the mountains, nor lifted up his eyes to the idols of the house of Israel, nor defiled his neighbor's wife, nor approached a woman during her impurity, if he
- 28:36has not oppressed anyone, but has restored to the dead or his pledge, has robbed no one by violence, but has given his bread to the hungry, and covered the naked with clothing, if
- 28:46he has not exacted usury, nor taken any increase, but has withdrawn his hand from iniquity, and executed true judgment between man and man, if he has walked
- 28:57my statutes and kept my judgments faithfully, he is just.
- 29:02He shall surely live, says the Lord." Here's the picture.
- 29:06Here's a man who's lived according to the law, who's been obedient to God.
- 29:12Doesn't mean he's sinlessly perfect.
- 29:14He's lived according to the law.
- 29:15He's been faithful.
- 29:17God's pronouncement of judgment, he shall live.
- 29:20But notice, if he begets a son who is a robber or a shedder of blood, who does any of these things and does none of those duties, but has eaten on the mountains, has defiled
- 29:32his neighbor's wife, has oppressed the poor and the needy, robbed by violence, not restored the pledge, lifted his eyes to the idols, and committed abomination, if he is
- 29:41exacted usury or taken increase, shall he then live?
- 29:47He shall not live.
- 29:50If he has done any of these abominations, he shall surely die, his blood shall be upon him.
- 29:57If, however, all right, so second generation comes along and he's wayward, he's evil, he's done everything wrong that he could do wrong, God says I'm not going to destroy the Father
- 30:12for the sins of the Son.
- 30:16If, however, he, second generation, begets a son, third generation, who sees all the sins which his father has done and considers but does not do likewise.
- 30:28who has not eaten on the mountains nor lifted his eyes up to the idols of the house of Israel nor defiled his neighbor's wife, has not oppressed anyone nor withheld a pledge nor
- 30:37robbed by violence, but has given his bread to the hungry and covered the naked with clothing, who has withdrawn his hand from the poor and not received usury or increase, but
- 30:47has executed my judgments and walked in my statutes.
- 30:50He shall not die for the iniquity of his father.
- 30:54He shall surely live as for his father, because his
- 31:07Now he's addressing Israel's proverb.
- 31:10He says,
- 31:28of the Son, the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself." When it comes to judgment before God, God says, I'm
- 31:44going to hold you accountable for what you do, and I'm going to hold your children accountable for what they do, and I'm going to hold the third generation accountable for
- 31:55what they do.
- 31:56They're culpable for their own sins.
- 32:02And yet, it is important to realize that while God is not going to send a person to hell for the sins of someone else, that doesn't mean that there are no consequences brought
- 32:20upon another generation for the sins of their children.
- 32:25And one of the consequences as seen here in 1 Timothy chapter three is that an individual who might otherwise be qualified for a role, an honor, and a responsibility in the church
- 32:43is now disqualified.
- 32:46Not because God's going to on the day of judgment hold him accountable for the actions of the child.
- 32:53but rather he's going to hold him accountable for his own actions in regard to the child.
- 33:01So he's gonna be held accountable for his actions, not the child's actions.
- 33:05But part of his actions.
- 33:07especially in view of this, is how did he behave toward the child?
- 33:12How did he guide the child?
- 33:14How did he correct the child?
- 33:16How did he straighten out the child?
- 33:18How did he exert his authority and his influence on the child?
- 33:24You go look at the life of David.
- 33:27One of the things you find in the life of David is David was lacking.
- 33:35in the enforcement of his authority as a father over his children.
- 33:42Joab, man of great character, will even accuse David of caring more about Absalom, who was rebelling against him, trying to dethrone him and kill him, than he cared about Israel.
- 34:00David had a real problem when it came to parenthood.
- 34:05And as a result, the nation was regularly in under his reign, thrown into a disruptive state.
- 34:13Because when one of his sons,
- 34:19Defiled his daughter.
- 34:22He didn't do anything about it
- 34:25And when one of his sons rebelled against him, he didn't do anything about it.
- 34:31And when another of his sons rebelled against him, he didn't do anything about it.
- 34:36You saw a pattern in the life of David of him failing in this very area of having his children under submission.
- 34:46So can a faithful, godly man be disqualified because of his children?
- 34:55The answer is yes.
- 34:58But that doesn't mean he's any less faithful, doesn't mean he's any less godly.
- 35:01It means that due to actions of others and his own self, he's not qualified for the position of an elder.
- 35:12Because the responsibility of an elder is critical.
- 35:19He is accountable for other men's souls.
- 35:22before we leave this, turn to Hebrews chapter 13.
- 35:38Hebrews chapter 13, the Hebrew writer says, verse five, let your conduct be without covetousness.
- 35:45Be content with such things as you have.
- 35:48For he himself has said, I will neither leave you nor forsake you.
- 35:51So we may boldly say, the Lord is my helper.
- 35:54I will not fear what can man do to me.
- 35:57But then the Hebrew writer says, remember those who rule over you, who have spoken the word of God to you, whose faith follow.
- 36:08considering the outcome of their conduct.
- 36:12Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever.
- 36:17The Hebrew writer tells the Christians, you put your eyes on your elders.
- 36:26Those are the ones who have rule over them.
- 36:29He says, you watch their actions, their faith.
- 36:35He says, you follow.
- 36:36their faith, but then consider later on in chapter 13.
- 36:40He says, verse 15, therefore by him let us continually offer the sacrifice of praise to God that is the fruit of our lips giving thanks to his name.
- 36:53But do not forget to do good and to share for with such sacrifices God is well pleased.
- 36:58Obey those who rule over you and be what?
- 37:05Submissive.
- 37:07for they watch out for your souls as those who must give account.
- 37:15Let them do so with joy and not with grief, for that would be unprofitable for you.
- 37:29Right.
- 37:39So if you don't have elders and you have no qualified elders, what are you supposed to do?
- 37:46That's the question.
- 37:47The answer comes in the example of the early first century church, okay?
- 37:54What you saw in the first century church is Paul and Barnabas especially would go into regions.
- 38:01They would begin preaching where when they first went into a city?
- 38:05Synagogues.
- 38:07And they would preach and teach and.
- 38:09Some, perhaps in some cities, there would be some Jews who would be receptive.
- 38:16They would hear the gospel.
- 38:18They'd be obedient to the gospel.
- 38:20All right?
- 38:20There'd be some Gentiles who would hear the gospel.
- 38:23They'd be receptive to the gospel.
- 38:24They'd be obedient to the gospel.
- 38:26So then Paul and Baruch would leave and go to another city.
- 38:31That church, which was filled with all brand new Christians, did they have elders?
- 38:39No.
- 38:43then they'd loop back around.
- 38:44Quite often these missionary journeys could be like seven to 10 years between start and finish.
- 38:51As they came back, they would go back through these cities and what were they doing quite often according to the text of the book of Acts?
- 39:01they were appointing elders.
- 39:04But in the intervening time, what they're observing and what they're looking for is individuals who went from infancy.
- 39:16to being mature as Christians, and who met the qualifications.
- 39:21Now, in most of these churches, you would have found that they would have had probably a far greater likelihood of having converted a Jew who had lived his life under the law, who
- 39:34had raised his children under the law, who had taught his children and adhered to all of God's principles, you would have likely found a Jew
- 39:44more easily qualified to be an elder than a Gentile.
- 39:50Why?
- 39:50Because they'd already spent their entire life trying to be faithful to God.
- 39:55They had already observed God's commandments.
- 39:57What they hadn't been is a New Testament Christian.
- 39:59Okay?
- 40:02So the possibility of that would have been much faster, much more likely.
- 40:08But another example you see, what about Cornelius?
- 40:15Cornelius is a Gentile.
- 40:17Yet Cornelius as a Gentile has grown up as a Gentile, yet he had found the God of heaven.
- 40:27And he had sought in his life to so live as to be faithful to the God of heaven.
- 40:35And as a result of that, when uh Peter comes to his house in order to preach the gospel, Cornelius
- 40:44isn't needing to repent of a great many sins and iniquities like Simon the Sorcerer.
- 40:52Cornelius is one who was striving to be faithful to God long before he understood everything that God would have him to do.
- 41:01So in a congregation where you have a situation where maybe you don't have elders, or maybe there's no qualified men, or maybe all of the qualified men have become of an age
- 41:10they can no longer serve, what do you do?
- 41:15You begin training men who still have the possibility of becoming qualified, but who are maybe not yet because of maturity.
- 41:27or because of age or because of other things.
- 41:29They're not disqualified, they're just not yet qualified.
- 41:33uh Then you further continue to preach, evangelize, teach, and reach the lost.
- 41:42Because everybody who will someday be an elder at some point was taught the gospel.
- 41:54and you have the benefit of reaching those who are lost.
- 41:59And sometimes the person you convert.
- 42:03It's not been ignorant of the Scriptures, and they've not been ignorant of right moral character and upright life.
- 42:13And when you convert them, you convert their children and maybe their grandchildren, because they, having come to a knowledge of the truth, have a correct attitude toward the
- 42:26truth, and then they help convert their children and their grandchildren.
- 42:30and some years down the road, five, six, seven years down the road, because they've already lived a life patterned after God's Word, and they've shown the maturity from the
- 42:40day that they were becoming a Christian, became a Christian all the way forward to a later date years down the road, what are they?
- 42:49Men qualified to be elders.
- 42:53So the short answer is,
- 42:56A congregation is not in a sinful position if they don't have elders.
- 43:03They would be in a sinful position if they, and let's understand perspective wise, the congregation would be in a poor position, maybe put it that way.
- 43:14They would be in a very poor position if they said, we don't have qualified men, let's just put men in.
- 43:21Now we have a real problem because now the congregation is doing what?
- 43:26They're opposing the word of God, they're opposing the will of God in order to have a role filled.
- 43:32Okay?
- 43:35But what if, and this happens by the way, what if you have a congregation in a very transient part of uh culture or of the world and people don't tend to stay there more than
- 43:49two or three years?
- 43:52Some military towns.
- 43:54People move in.
- 43:56They're great.
- 43:58Become part of the congregation, get to know the congregation.
- 44:01They're good, strong, faithful men.
- 44:02Two and a half years later, they're gone.
- 44:06It's gonna be a really hard place to get qualified men to be elders in a congregation like that because of circumstance.
- 44:16Because they're not there long enough to know the flock and be qualified and then they're not gonna stay.
- 44:23eh So there's a lot of circumstances that can impact this.
- 44:28But one of the biggest ones is congregations who never bother to train men.
- 44:35and never set expectations for men to be preparing themselves for being elders.
- 44:43And so if we don't set expectations, if we don't train men, if we don't look and provide opportunities for men to push forward into the, push themselves forward into that
- 44:58maturity,
- 45:00This is one of the biggest struggles I have with a mentality that exists within our brotherhood in America where we have a preacher and a teacher and they teach all the time
- 45:13and they preach all the time.
- 45:15Not that what they say isn't important, but they're not giving others the opportunity to mature.
- 45:21And that is important.
- 45:23Now there's a lot of ways to mature, but that is an important aspect of training.
- 45:30that generation turn over as we close to First Timothy.
- 45:38Sorry, second Timothy, chapter two.
- 45:432, verse 1, "'You therefore, my son, be strong in the grace that is in Christ Jesus.
- 45:50And the things that you have heard from me among many witnesses, commit these to faithful men who will be able to teach others also.'" Part of the role of Timothy as he went to
- 46:06these churches was to train men to teach.
- 46:13If he didn't, he wasn't fulfilling his responsibility.
- 46:17Now, he had to have the men in a position where they could, but then he had to step aside and let them do it.
- 46:25One of the struggles we have is we quite often get into a mindset, well, we pay this guy to preach.
- 46:33You see congregations where uh they don't have a full-time located preacher for weeks, and things just fall apart.
- 46:42There's no leadership, there's no representation, there's no voices, and yet they have elders.
- 46:49There's problem.
- 46:51It means the elders haven't been serving as elders for quite some time.
- 46:55They've been expecting the preacher to do it.
- 46:58And that's uh where you find a congregation out of alignment with the Word of God.
- 47:03Okay, thank you for your attention.
- 47:05We run out of time and then some.
- 47:07You're dismissed.