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Legally Brunette: Amy Bradley · Legally Brunette

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  Speaker 1: Hi guys, Welcome to another episode of Legally Brunette. I'll
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  Speaker 1: be your host, Emily Simpson and Shane. First of all,
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  Speaker 1: it's just Shane because everyone when people DM me now
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  Speaker 1: about you and the podcast, they call you just Shane.
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  Speaker 2: First name, just yest name, Shane.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, So we are excited to do this podcast today
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  Speaker 1: because we are not in our normal setting in a
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  Speaker 1: bedroom in our.
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  Speaker 2: House with dogs and.
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  Speaker 1: Where we have to hit pause because someone needs a snack.
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  Speaker 1: We are actually in beautiful Lake Tahoe at this home
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  Speaker 1: of Verbo Home and it is magnificent. It is so beautiful.
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  Speaker 1: The view is unreal. So we're super excited to do
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  Speaker 1: this podcast today because look at this view behind us.
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  Speaker 2: That's awesome. Yeah, very outdoorsy.
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  Speaker 1: All right. First of all, I'm so excited about doing
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  Speaker 1: this podcast today because we are going to talk about it.
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  Speaker 1: It came out on Netflix. It's called Amy Bradley is Missing.
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  Speaker 1: And I will be honest, even though this took place
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  Speaker 1: in the nineties and I feel like I'm like an
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  Speaker 1: expert in all things nineties, I had actually never heard
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  Speaker 1: of Amy Bradley before and this incident on a cruise ship.
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  Speaker 1: So when I started watching it on Netflix. I wasn't
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  Speaker 1: even really all that invested in it. It's three parts,
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  Speaker 1: and by the time I watched the entire thing, I
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  Speaker 1: was just completely invested. I have not stopped researching. I
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  Speaker 1: feel badly for my producer on this podcast because I
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  Speaker 1: have inundated her with every possible article.
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  Speaker 2: Reddit thread takes turf for me for talking about it
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  Speaker 2: all week.
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  Speaker 1: No, I don't feel sorry for you at all. That's
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  Speaker 1: what you signed up for. But I don't know if
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  Speaker 1: Mattie knows that's what she signed up for. All right,
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  Speaker 1: let's start off. Let's just give a brief synopsis of
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  Speaker 1: the case. This is actually from the FBI's website because
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  Speaker 1: it is still even though it's been twenty seven years,
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  Speaker 1: it is an active case. So twenty three year old
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  Speaker 1: Amy Lynn Bradley, while on a family cruise in the Caribbean,
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  Speaker 1: went missing from the Royal Caribbean International Cruise Line. The
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  Speaker 1: ship was called Rhapsody of the Seas. Also, this was
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  Speaker 1: something else I looked up. I wanted to know if
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  Speaker 1: that ship was still work like a working ship today
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  Speaker 1: it's operating. It is still an operating ship, however, and
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if you guys know this because I
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  Speaker 1: wanted to know this.
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  Speaker 2: Let me guess what you want to use. You want
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  Speaker 2: to go on the ship and go in her room?
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  Speaker 1: Well that yes, I do, okay, But I wanted to
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  Speaker 1: know if they changed the name of the ship or
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  Speaker 1: if they kept it Rhapsody. I'd likely they branded it, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: because I don't know if they wanted to be like
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  Speaker 1: welcome to the ship that Amy Bradley was right disappeared on.
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  Speaker 1: So I didn't know if they changed the name. So
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  Speaker 1: if anybody knows that, I was not able to find
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  Speaker 1: confirmation of that. So on Saturday, March twenty first of
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  Speaker 1: nineteen ninety eight, the vessel departed San Juan, Puerto Rico
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  Speaker 1: and traveled to its very first port of call, which
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  Speaker 1: was Aruba. The next day or no, By Monday, March
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  Speaker 1: twenty third, nineteen ninety eight, Rhapsody of the Seas departed
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  Speaker 1: Aruba and was traveling in international waters to its next
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  Speaker 1: island port of Currosal. First of all, do you want
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  Speaker 1: to tell me what international waters are? Sir?
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  Speaker 2: What do you think maritime law is or how it applies?
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  Speaker 2: At first? You a big lawyer, you tell me I'm a.
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  Speaker 1: Big lawyer, Okay, First of all, when we were watching this,
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  Speaker 1: I think a lot of people when you take a
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  Speaker 1: cruise because I've taken multiple cruises. But when you get
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  Speaker 1: on a cruise ship, do you go onto the cruise
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  Speaker 1: ship thinking, hmm, I'm about to depart the United States
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  Speaker 1: on a floating island that hasn't no security, security, no
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  Speaker 1: police force. Well there's security, but no police force.
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  Speaker 2: Well yeah, but the security is hired by who the
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  Speaker 2: cruise ship exactly.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm just going to flow out in the middle
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  Speaker 1: of the sea and hope that nothing happens. You know,
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  Speaker 1: you don't really think that. You just think I'm going
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  Speaker 1: to drink and I'm going to hang out by the pool.
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  Speaker 1: But it's really a risk when you step onto a
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  Speaker 1: cruise ship.
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  Speaker 2: Well risk going on a plane. There's a risk you
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  Speaker 2: go on a plane. I mean you have the Air
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  Speaker 2: India flight. You know, unfortunately the pilot is known to
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  Speaker 2: have purposely cause the plane to crash.
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  Speaker 1: So we know that is that breaking news?
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  Speaker 2: You heard it. I didn't tell you that you flew today,
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  Speaker 2: So I did tell you that cut off the engines
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  Speaker 2: and purposely it went down.
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  Speaker 1: Wow. I did do a little research because I wanted
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  Speaker 1: to understand a little bit briefly about about the law
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  Speaker 1: when you're on a cruise ship. So basically, every cruise
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  Speaker 1: ship has to be registered, and it's registered with a
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  Speaker 1: specific country, and then that country port a port. So
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  Speaker 1: for example, I think it said Royal Caribbean has most
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  Speaker 1: of their ships registered, I don't remember.
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  Speaker 2: Like with the Bahamas, Yeah, Bahamas.
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  Speaker 1: Right, and then maybe they had like another one registered
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  Speaker 1: in Panama or something. So then that would be your
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  Speaker 1: governing laws for the ship.
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  Speaker 2: And I would imagine that they choose those places. It
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  Speaker 2: doesn't have Yeah, ours a business decision. It's not based
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  Speaker 2: on like the security of the passengers or anything.
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  Speaker 1: Right. Then, when you are in a port, the laws
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  Speaker 1: of that port apply if the crime takes place in
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  Speaker 1: the port.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, regardless of what port you're in. So if you're
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  Speaker 2: if it's registered in Bahamas, but you're in Italy for
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  Speaker 2: some reason at that port, then that and the crime
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  Speaker 2: occurs well within that port, that port will have jurisdiction, right.
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  Speaker 1: So then, but when you're out in the open sea,
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  Speaker 1: the way I understand it is if you're twenty four
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  Speaker 1: miles out away from land, that's called international waters. And
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  Speaker 1: then when you're in international waters. I believe it's the
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  Speaker 1: country where the ship is registered sort of. Okay, thank
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  Speaker 1: you for that explanation.
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  Speaker 2: All right, So within twelve miles law applies. So if
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  Speaker 2: you break the law within twelve miles, whatever that law is,
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  Speaker 2: you know, drugs or assault, battery, whatever, the law of
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  Speaker 2: the land applies just the same within the next twelve miles.
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  Speaker 2: So from twelve to twenty four miles there's the laws.
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  Speaker 2: I think the laws of the land don't really apply
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  Speaker 2: the same, but there are some laws that apply, Like
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  Speaker 2: you can't you can't just go out within that distance
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  Speaker 2: and start to dig an oil well and things like that.
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  Speaker 2: So there are some laws that apply, just less laws.
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  Speaker 2: And then when you go out further then the although
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  Speaker 2: maybe some laws don't apply, like you know, civilian criminal
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  Speaker 2: laws don't apply, but there are still laws that apply
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  Speaker 2: that protect the country, you know, to secure the oil,
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  Speaker 2: secure the water and things like that, and not produce
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  Speaker 2: waste and things like that. So it's not just if
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  Speaker 2: you're out in the ocean you can do whatever you want.
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  Speaker 1: Well, it sounds like it. Once you get past twenty
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  Speaker 1: four miles, you can just be a pirate pretty.
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  Speaker 2: Much because then so if crime occurs with beyond the
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  Speaker 2: twenty four miles that we're talking about, then it goes
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  Speaker 2: to that port or the flag state as I read,
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  Speaker 2: it goes to that port. But also the country nearest
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  Speaker 2: can choose or like if there's a US person, like
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  Speaker 2: was Amy Bradley a US citizen? Yes, so the US
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  Speaker 2: can choose to go in and investigate for its own people. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: So it's a little complicated and there's a lot of layers,
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  Speaker 2: which causes a lot of issues because then the US
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  Speaker 2: might say, do we really want to spend all our
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  Speaker 2: resources and go and try to find this person. Maybe
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  Speaker 2: the Bohemian you know, jurisdiction doesn't want the US, so
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  Speaker 2: they kind of maybe put protections in there to try
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  Speaker 2: to prevent it because maybe they don't want Bahamas to
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  Speaker 2: get a bad wrap with the cruise lines.
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  Speaker 1: So basically it's complicated. It's complicated jurisdiction when you're on
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  Speaker 1: a cruise ship.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, all right, so during the early month in favor
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  Speaker 2: of the cruise line.
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  Speaker 1: It's always in favor of the cruise line. Yes, that's
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  Speaker 1: another thing. You got to look at the back of
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  Speaker 1: the ticket, you got to read the fine print.
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  Speaker 2: Well, that's not going to do you any.
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  Speaker 1: Good that you can decide whether you want to get
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  Speaker 1: on or not.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, well you're probably not gonna want to get on
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  Speaker 2: if you read the back of the ticket.
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  Speaker 1: Probably not so during the early morning hours. This is Tuesday,
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  Speaker 1: March twenty fourth, nineteen ninety eight. Amy Lenn Bradley went
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  Speaker 1: missing as the ship was arriving right into port in Cursau.
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  Speaker 1: The FBI is offering a reward of up to twenty
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  Speaker 1: five thousand for information leading to her recovery. All right,
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  Speaker 1: that is just a brief synopsis that's on the FBI's website.
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  Speaker 1: It's clearly an open case. But I wanted to do
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  Speaker 1: a timeline and break it down and go into detail
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  Speaker 1: as to because there was a very very small window
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  Speaker 1: of time in which she disappeared, and I am very
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  Speaker 1: confused by that small window of time. And I think
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  Speaker 1: that's why this case is so compelling and why people
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  Speaker 1: are so invested in it, is because everyone online is
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  Speaker 1: trying to figure out what happened within that very small
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  Speaker 1: window of time. And it actually I think the story
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  Speaker 1: is so interesting and it invokes so much conversation. It
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  Speaker 1: also reminds me of Karen Reid because there's a very
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  Speaker 1: small amount of time.
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  Speaker 2: That took place where you something.
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  Speaker 1: So he died. There's a murder or something, but you
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  Speaker 1: don't know exactly what it is. And I this case
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  Speaker 1: is so interesting and compelling because honestly, at the end
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  Speaker 1: of the day, I don't know if we will ever
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  Speaker 1: know what actually happened to her. And I think that's
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  Speaker 1: why it's so interesting.
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  Speaker 2: Case.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, breaking news, We're going to solve the Amy Bradley
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  Speaker 1: case by the end of that.
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  Speaker 2: She'll be a guest later on this. No. Really, My
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  Speaker 2: question is, first, give me an overview, like how many
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  Speaker 2: days was she out there? Who was she with? Okay,
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  Speaker 2: some of those bases so we can get a picture.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, So the Bradley family, and it's important to know
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  Speaker 1: all the characters in this family. It's a mom is Iva,
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  Speaker 1: Ron is the dad. Amy and brad are sisters and
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  Speaker 1: brothers our sister and brother. They depart San Juan, Puerto
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  Speaker 1: Rico aboard the Royal Caribbean's Rhapsody of the Seas. It
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  Speaker 1: is a seven day Caribbean cruise. First of all, this
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  Speaker 1: is very important and I feel like it kind of
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  Speaker 1: got glossed over in the Netflix documentary but all four
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  Speaker 1: of them are sharing one room on a cruise ship.
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  Speaker 1: And you've been on a cruise.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think that's I'm guessing that's not uncommon.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not saying it's common or uncomming. I'm saying I
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  Speaker 1: think it's very important when we get into the details
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  Speaker 1: of what happened. Yes, but I want you've been on
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  Speaker 1: a cruise. We've been on a cruise. We went last summer,
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  Speaker 1: and it was you and me and the boys were
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  Speaker 1: all in a room. And that room is tiny. Right,
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  Speaker 1: for four people to sleep in a room on a
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  Speaker 1: cruise ship, it is very very small. And well, we
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  Speaker 1: will get to that because I think that's an important
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  Speaker 1: factor to remember as we go through this timeline. Amy
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  Speaker 1: is twenty three years old. She recently graduated from college,
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  Speaker 1: and she's looking forward to living in a new apartment.
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  Speaker 1: She also got a new puppy, and she's starting a
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  Speaker 1: new job as a computer consultant when she comes back
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  Speaker 1: from this cruise. I think these are all important details too,
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  Speaker 1: because a lot of people like to speculate that she
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  Speaker 1: committed suicide that day, So.
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  Speaker 2: I'm trying to say she had she had some things
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  Speaker 2: to look forward to. You right, yeahs developing a career.
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  Speaker 1: So on Tuesday, March twenty fourth, around one am, there
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  Speaker 1: is a crew member named Alistair Douglas who goes by
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  Speaker 1: the nickname Yellow and that's because his hair is like
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  Speaker 1: yellow yellow. He claims he left the ship disco party
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  Speaker 1: after dancing with Amy. Now there's key card data. The
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  Speaker 1: key card is interesting too, because the data on a
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  Speaker 1: cruise ship with a key card only gives you the
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  Speaker 1: data when someone.
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  Speaker 2: Unlocks the door.
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  Speaker 1: Town un talks the door to enter, but you cannot
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  Speaker 1: get any data as to win.
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  Speaker 2: A door need the car to exit, right.
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  Speaker 1: So there's key card data to prove his entry at
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  Speaker 1: this time. So there's key card data that shows that
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  Speaker 1: he left the disco party where he's seen dancing with Amy,
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  Speaker 1: and he actually goes back to his room at some point.
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  Speaker 1: The cabin door system can only record when a person
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  Speaker 1: enters the room with their key card, but cannot identify
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  Speaker 1: when they acit.
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  Speaker 2: Multiple people can enter with one key card, so he
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  Speaker 2: could get a buddy or something. I'm just saying it
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  Speaker 2: doesn't it doesn't take role of who entered. And also
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  Speaker 2: the key card.
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  Speaker 1: Was used, right, And this is the nineteen This is
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  Speaker 1: nineteen ninety eight. So I don't know if now, because
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  Speaker 1: you know, when you take a cruise now, everybody gets
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  Speaker 1: their own key card, even if you're a kid, and
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  Speaker 1: you have to carry it all the time. You have
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  Speaker 1: to use it to purchase anything, you have to use
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  Speaker 1: it to get and out of the room. But the
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  Speaker 1: thing is, like I remember when we were on the cruise,
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  Speaker 1: like sometimes I would use your card to get into
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  Speaker 1: the room and sometimes, So I don't even know if
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  Speaker 1: it's that specific.
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  Speaker 2: Now to it was literally just unlocked, right.
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  Speaker 1: So Brad Amy's there was also at the disco party,
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  Speaker 1: but left shortly before his sister at three thirty five am,
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  Speaker 1: So this is registered in the room. Brad used his
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  Speaker 1: key card to enter the family suite. Five minutes later,
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  Speaker 1: at three forty am, Amy returns from the disco where
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  Speaker 1: she's been dancing with this guy. And also, by the way,
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  Speaker 1: the guy Alistair Douglas. He works for the ship. He
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  Speaker 1: is a bass player in the band. I believe the
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  Speaker 1: band's name is Blue Orchid and they're playing live music
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  Speaker 1: and they're flirting. So this guy is a crew member.
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  Speaker 2: And do we know that we know the key cards
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  Speaker 2: are used, do we know that it's the actual people
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  Speaker 2: using it well, or it's assumed.
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  Speaker 1: Well, Amy returns to the room and it's recorded in
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  Speaker 1: the cabin door system. So then Brad and Amy are
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  Speaker 1: hanging out on the balcony in their room. They're sitting
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  Speaker 1: out there together. Okay, she had had some light beers.
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  Speaker 1: I think it said like she had said that she
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  Speaker 1: had seven light beers while she was at this disco.
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  Speaker 1: But apparently the beer consumption was over a long period
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  Speaker 1: of time, so it wasn't like she sat at that
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  Speaker 1: disco and drink seven beers one time. So at three
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  Speaker 1: forty am, Amy returns to the cabin and.
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  Speaker 2: That's I'm asleep by that.
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  Speaker 1: Well yeah, well you and I go I want that
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  Speaker 1: at nine. So three forty am is.
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  Speaker 2: Like, that's like if we were we would have heard nothing.
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  Speaker 1: No, not right, they would ask me. I'd be like
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  Speaker 1: Amy Bradley, who I don't know. Yeah, no disco parties
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  Speaker 1: for me. So Brad and Amy hang out on the
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  Speaker 1: cabin's private balcony and then so they're sitting out there.
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  Speaker 1: He I saw a podcast with him. He talks about
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  Speaker 1: how they were just sitting out there talking, chit chatting,
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  Speaker 1: and then he decides to go to bed. So he
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  Speaker 1: goes back into the cabin and he goes asleep. Now
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  Speaker 1: we have to remember his mom and dad are in
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  Speaker 1: the cabin and they're asleep in one bed.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: Then he and Amy have like some pullout, rollout kind
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  Speaker 1: of caught things that remember we had.
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  Speaker 2: To do when we were like makeshift. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So now we've got Amy on the balcony, We've got
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  Speaker 1: the mom and the dad asleep in the bed right,
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  Speaker 1: and then we've got the brother that comes in from
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  Speaker 1: the balcony and goes to sleep on the cot. This
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  Speaker 1: is a three forty. Between five fifteen am and five
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  Speaker 1: thirty am, Ron Bradley, who is Amy's dad, He awakens
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  Speaker 1: and he sees Amy sleeping on the balcony chair, only
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  Speaker 1: her legs were visible, and then he dozes off again.
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  Speaker 1: So he wakes up. He sees brad asleep, his wife's
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  Speaker 1: asleep next to him. He looks out the balcony door,
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  Speaker 1: he sees Amy's sitting on the balcony. He can see
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  Speaker 1: her legs, and then he goes back to sleep. This
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  Speaker 1: is a five.
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  Speaker 2: I'm sorry, this is the father.
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  Speaker 1: This is the father because this whole family, all four
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  Speaker 1: of them are in one little round.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I'm not saying he's guilty by any stretch,
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  Speaker 2: but this is little odd to see your kid asleep
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  Speaker 2: on a balcony and not think I'll let me bring
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  Speaker 2: her in and put her in their bed.
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  Speaker 1: Well, she's twenty three. Though.
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  Speaker 2: I know, I'm not saying he's guilty, but I'm just saying, like,
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  Speaker 2: first mistake, first mistake, first mistake. Don't sleep on a
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  Speaker 2: balcony on a cruise ship when you're on a cruise ship,
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  Speaker 2: ye in international waters for family after without reading the
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  Speaker 2: passenger ticket with seven.
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  Speaker 1: Beers in your systems. Yeah, not good. So he wakes up.
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  Speaker 1: This is around five fifteen, five thirty am. He looks out,
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  Speaker 1: he sees her legs, He dozes back off. Between five
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  Speaker 1: thirty and five forty am. There are three other passengers
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  Speaker 1: on the ship that reported seeing Amy on an upper
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  Speaker 1: deck of the ship with yellow So that's the bass
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  Speaker 1: player I told you about.
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  Speaker 2: Did they Where did they see her from?
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  Speaker 1: They were sitting up on an open deck.
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  Speaker 2: From another okay, So from from outside the boat somewhere.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, like I think like a pool area, okay. And
• 15:28
  Speaker 1: they claim and this was in the documentary in an interview.
• 15:31
  Speaker 1: They claim that they see Amy and Yellow walking to
• 15:35
  Speaker 1: an elevator. You know how the elevators are glass, Yeah,
• 15:38
  Speaker 1: and that they see them get onto like a glass
• 15:40
  Speaker 1: elevator together and they see them go up together, and
• 15:43
  Speaker 1: that she has a drink and it looks like there's
• 15:44
  Speaker 1: a dark liquid. So this is so we've got Amy
• 15:49
  Speaker 1: out on a balcony, as her dad says, between five
• 15:52
  Speaker 1: am and five fifteen. Then you've got these other passengers
• 15:55
  Speaker 1: that claim they saw her with Yellow around five thirty am. Okay,
• 16:00
  Speaker 1: assuming that, but they can't they can't exactly say that
• 16:05
  Speaker 1: was the time. They just think that that was possibly
• 16:07
  Speaker 1: at the time. So then between so then at six am,
• 16:11
  Speaker 1: the dad wakes up again and he looks out on
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: the balcony and Amy's not there.
• 16:15
  Speaker 2: She's gone, Okay, which would make sense based on the
• 16:18
  Speaker 2: other testimony that she was in an elevator.
• 16:20
  Speaker 1: Okay, So the dad he wakes up, he looks out
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: there at six am, she's gone. But the door was
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: slightly a jar, so the balcony door was left open.
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: Her cigarettes and lighter were missing, but her shoes and
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: she had like a polo shirt over a tank top
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: and her polo shirt was left behind like she had
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: taken it off and left it, and then her shoes
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: were like neatly pushed on the balcony. And the little
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: table on the.
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: Balcony was witnessed by who this is?
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: This is the daddy wakes up yet, so the father
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: he wakes up. Yes, he looks out on the balcony.
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: She's not there. So all on this table on the
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: balcony is her shoes, her her cigarettes and a lighter,
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: and her wallet, and they're all left behind.
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: This is official. This is all left behind as you
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: just described.
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: So then around six thirty, I guess the dad gets
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: up to go look for her, because he looks out
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: on the balcony. She's not there, but her stuff's out there.
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: So he goes up and he goes to look for her.
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: He looks on the ship. I'm sure he goes to
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: all the usual places you would look for someone on
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: a ship where she I don't know, getting breakfast, and
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: she up by the pool is she's sitting out somewhere.
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: She in the elevator.
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: She in the elevator with yellow whatever. Around six thirty
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: am Ron, he comes back to the room and he
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: wakes up. I have the mom and Brad and inform
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: them that Amy was missing. The family then goes to
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: the Royal Caribbean crew and asks them to delay disembarkment
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: because at this time they've either pulled into Cursal and
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: they're stopped or they're just now stopping.
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: So they go and.
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: Say, look, our daughter's missing. We can't find her anywhere.
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: Can he please not let anyone disembark off the ship.
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: But here's one more thing I want to talk about
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: before we go on with this timeline a little bit more.
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: I cannot, for the life of me, understand how that
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: small room with three people sleeping in it, if she's
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: on the balcony and then she comes back into the
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: room and she leaves through that door.
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: Why did anyone wake up?
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: How did.
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: The disco techa disco teca it's called a few drinks
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: and they're crushed.
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: But that door is so loud it makes like a
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: loud metal clicking.
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: You're saying she jumped.
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: I don't know what I'm saying. I'm just saying there,
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: I don't know what. I really don't know.
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: Next cruise, Yes, I'm gonna sneak out at five in
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: the morning and see if you wake up.
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: I will as soon as I hear that door, I'm
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: gonna be like, where are you going? Are you getting
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: breakfast without me?
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: Why is your walley here? Why are.
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: Also we have to talk about this because the shoes
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: were Let's assume that she did go out the door
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: and nobody heard it for some reason, they were just
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: so soundly asleep in this little tiny room that they
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: did that they didn't hear her go out the door.
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: She didn't take her shoes right, and she didn't take
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: her cigarettes and her lighter, and she didn't take her wallet.
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: So if she did leave.
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: Did that means she didn't take her key card either?
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: That's my question. Did she not take the key card
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: with her? Is the key card in her wallet?
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: I want to know that.
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: Oh, not that I've seen anywhere. I want to know
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: because I think that's a If the key card was
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: left in the wallet, then maybe she did go overboard.
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: But if the key card was not in her wallet
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: and it was on her person, then I would assume
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: that she did leave the room and that she was
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: going to meet someone. And also you have to assume
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: if she was going to meet someone, she was going
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: to meet them briefly, because she doesn't have any shoes
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: and she does no wallet.
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: Taking taking the key card or not taking card is
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: not conclusive. But it certainly well you could.
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: Have forgot I forget it all the time.
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, But I mean it certainly does lead to
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: something like if she took it, that's different than not
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: taking it as far as like what could have happened, right, Because.
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: I'm saying if her key cards left behind and she
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: did not take it with her, then there is the
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: possibility that possibly she went over the edge somehow. But
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: if she took the key card and the key card
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: is not in her wallet or on her person, I
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: don't know anyway. That was just something to think about.
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: So at seven fifty am, the first public ship wide
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: announcement was made. First of all, we have to say,
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: first of all, I do remember from the documentary that
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: Royal Caribbean refused to.
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: Okay, breaking news, breaking news. I just searched the answer.
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: What.
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: Yes, Amy Lynn Bradley's key card was reportedly left behind
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: in her cabin when she disappeared. See now now you
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: have more questions.
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: Now I have more questions. Yeah, yeah, because.
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: If she went soaes she when the family woke up
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: at six am, Amy was no longer in the cabin.
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: Her key card, her shoes, her cigarettes, her lighters were
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: all left behind.
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: Okay, See now that lends to if you're going to
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: draw a column and you're gonna say went overboard or
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: was abducted, that goes into the went overboard category.
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because if.
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: She left through the door, she didn't have shoes and
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: shouldn't have a wall, and she didn't have a key card.
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: Like, yeah, like what do you do with Yeah, like
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: what what person in a normal sense, what person leaves
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: their cabin on a cruise line without any of their things? Right,
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: even if you're going to the pool, you would take
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: a key card or something. It was six in the morning.
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: But all right, so I do know. The family immediately
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: goes to Royal Caribbean and they ask them to not
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: let anyone disembark and to also make an announcement. They
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: would not make an announcement because they said they didn't
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: want to because this is like several hours seven am.
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: They don't want to make an announcement at seven am
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: because they don't want to startle passengers.
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: They don't want to wait passengers. Yeah, Heaven forbid. The
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: people need their sleep. Yeah, it's ridiculous. I mean the
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: captain doesn't want want people to sleep in. I mean,
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: what's up with that?
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: Okay? Also, I feel like this is a good point
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: to I watched the documentary shand It and obviously, however,
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: they interview the cruise director from the Rhapsody of the
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: Season nineteen ninety eight. I forget his name. What was
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: his name, Kirk or something?
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: Kirk Kirk, Jerk Kirk, the cruise coordinator.
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: He I he should have been banned from doing any
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: interviews on behalf of the man had no warmth, no sympathy.
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: I mean it was almost it was I have never
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: in my life. He needed some media training.
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: He needed some was this interview back then?
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: No, this is a current day interview. Prepare he said
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: twenty seven years to get some sympathy or to do
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: some media training. They interview him for this documentary. I
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: have never I am not a person. Look, I'm a
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: public figure. I can't stand it when people come on
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: my page and say things. But I tell you, I've
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: never been so compelled on Instagram.
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: If there's a time to do it, this cruise director, you.
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: Guys have all this hate in your heart, please stop
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: directing it at me.
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: Please find the cruise director from nineteen ninety eight on
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: the Rhapsody of the Seas and please go direct with it.
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: He is the true villain. Every statement he makes is like, well,
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: we got a cruise to run. You know, they paid
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: a lot of money and.
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: It's all business.
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: It's all business. He has no sympathy for this family.
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: He's like, well, she just went overboard. Life goes on.
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: That's your first suspect, right, the guy that can care
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: less where she is.
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: I mean, this guy has I mean I just wanted
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: to him through the television. I was like, just just
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: say what says one thing? Kind nothing?
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: So seven fifty am the first public ship wide announcement
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: was made. And this was not alerting nine am, No,
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: seven fifty am. Two hours so seven to fifty am.
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: But all they would do was ask Amy Bradley to
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: come to the purser's office.
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: They would not alert Yeah, Amy Bradley, please take off
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: your handcuffs and untie yourselves and come to the front office, right.
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: Please stop being abducted. Yeah, So at seven fifty am
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: they do make an announcement, but they basically are just
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: saying please come to the purfoser's office. So they're not.
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: So here's the problem. And this is where I know
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: the family had the biggest issue. And I think this
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: is where this is the timeframe where maybe there could
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: have been a different circumstance in what happened. Because you
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: have a very limited time because the cruise ship is
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: pulling into curR Asum, people are disembarking. If at that
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: time period they would have made an announcement at seven
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: am before everyone got off, that said Amy Bradley has
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: not been seen. She is missing. If any no one
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: sees her, please be on the lookout for her. We're
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: putting up photos of well, for example.
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: Those people that saw her and yellow in the elevator,
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: they might have came forward quicker exactly, might have remembered.
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but at that time when everyone is disembarking this ship,
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: when they pull into curas Out, they don't know she's missing,
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: and they they don't know what's going on.
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: They don't know for so and so to come to
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: the front office. I would never not once think for anything, no.
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: Absolutely so, no one has any idea what's going on.
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: So basically during that time period, if Royal Caribbean would
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: have had a different policy possibly and alerted the crew
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: as well as the passengers that there is a girl missing.
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: And then here's it's nineteen ninety eight. So they don't
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: have like, they don't have the digital like we do
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: now where they can show things on the TV.
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: Sure, sure, So I don't know how.
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: They could disseminate like what she looks like, but they
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: could have I don't know, hung pictures of her up
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: or something, or I don't know, just be on the
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: lookout for this girl. I don't know how they would
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: get her image out there, but at least passengers would
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: be aware of what's going on, and maybe more witnesses
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: would have been able to help or stop it or
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: come forward and they would have had more information at
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: that time. All right, So then at nine.
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: As okay, so hold on, so we're at seven to
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: fifty am.
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they make an announcement.
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: And that's it. Their cruise as it is it docked. Yes,
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: has anyone left yet?
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: When it gets the time, they're just embarking. Now they're going,
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: people are leaving.
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: This they are oh wow, well geez, well I would
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: be standing on that port and watching everyone come out.
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: I guess if it was my daughter missing.
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: Well I think that's I mean, I mean.
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: That's something to do. I mean, I don't know. I well,
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: maybe i'd be irrational and they're hysterical. Yeah, that's what
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: I'm saying. I get that. So maybe so right now,
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: sitting here in this chair, you're telling me that's what
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: I think should be done. At the least, I mean,
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: what am I gonna do? Walk up and down the hallways.
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: I'm going to go and you know at the bottleneck where.
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: You also have to think that you're up on a cirt. No,
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: but you're up on a deck talking to officials saying,
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: please make an announcement while people are just off this ship.
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: At this I mean, it's like huge, that's where the
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: cruise line screwed up. And I know we shouldn't be
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: laughing at this, but we're laughing at the people that
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: just really took this way too lightly. Where you know,
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: it's it's disapproval of their of their uh lack of
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: care for a missing individual.
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: So then at nine am, the crew conducted what's called
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: a full on board search, and no sign of Amy
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: was found. This search the way I understood it was.
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: It's like a nook and cranny search, Like the entire
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: crew is involved, and they go into every room, they open,
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: every door, they open all.
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: Now that everyone's gone, well she she hasn't.
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: Been seen since six am and now.
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: It's everyone got off the ship.
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: So there's a three hour timeframe where she could have disembarked.
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: She could have been taken off this ship. Absolutely, I
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: don't know. But there's a three hour window where we
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: don't know what happened.
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: And you know, so that's a long time.
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So March twenty fourth through the twenty seventh, the
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: FBI and the Netherlands Antillis on Antilli's ghost guard carried
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: out a four day marine and aerial search. In the documentary,
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: the Courroussel officials because they become involved because that's where
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: that's the port we're at. Now we're in carousel. The
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: CURSL officials said that they expected Amy's body to turn
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: up in the seat if she had jumped or fallen,
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: but a body never shows up, and.
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: They based on currents and stuff like, it was reasonable
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: for them to think not. They were just hoping that
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: they believed that that would be the case.
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So they interviewed some an official from crosw that
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: was involved in the search.
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry, wors Curso it's.
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: A little island. Is it by a Ruba. It's like
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: a Ruba and Curroussew and a Aruba. And it's in
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: the Caribbean. Oh, Barbados is over there somewhere too, Barbados.
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: I actually, honestly, I have to say, because I'm not
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: good at geography. I admitted that on the when we
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: did the podcast on the idahomer and I didn't even
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: know Idaho, like Idaho was up there by Canada. No idea.
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: Well, that's why we do legally, not topography exactly.
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: I don't no, but I had never I have to
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: admit I'd never heard of the island of Curi.
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: Curis probably Portuguese cross.
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: Until this documentary anyway. So the currousel official says that
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: they did an intense search of the water and that
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: if she would have fallen overboard, that they would have
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: seen a body or a piece of clothing or something.
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: Something would have washed out based upon the wrap, how
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: the water, the current, the tide, all of that. So
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: he was convincing that there wasn't that.
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: Was more likely that she did not that she did
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: not know. Wa okay, all right, Now.
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: After she disappears, there's been sightings of her. Now, I
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: have to say, I think most people this also reminds
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: me of Karen Reid too, because most people when you
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: don't know, when you don't take a deep dive into
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: this case, the first thing that you think or say
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: when you take a cursory review of it is, oh,
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: she don't she went overboard.
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: Absolutely, she fell, she.
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: Went overboard. She right. That reminds me of Karen Reid,
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: because when you look, when you don't take a deep
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: dive into Karen Reid, your first thought is, of course
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: she was drunk.
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: Oh I know. And those people are so oblivious and
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: so ignorant. That was you to just think that you
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: should be open to the facts.
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: Well that was you in the beginning. But anyway, my
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: point was, if you don't take a deep dive into it,
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: the logical conclusion when you just look at a very
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: limited amount of facts is that, yeah, she was drong,
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: she hit them. I think this is the same with
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: Amy Bradley. If you don't take a really deep dive
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: into the case, it's like, okay, well, the logical conclusion
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: is she's on the balcony, she fell off or she jumped.
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: So there have been multiple sightings and leads since she disappeared.
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: So in March twenty fourth, nineteen ninety eight, this is
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: in Currosal. The morning of Amy's disappearance, there was a
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: taxi driver located near the cruise door.
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: The morning that within twenty four hours, the.
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: Morning that she disappears, he claims that a distressed young
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: woman matching Amy's description approached him frantically and asked where
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: the nearest phone was. Before she could continue, she was
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: intercepted by two men who led her away. He reported
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: this information later and did not act in real time.
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: Now I don't know exactly how much later he reported this,
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: but he did come forward and say that he saw
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: a woman asking for a phone. She looked distressed. Two
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: men came up and grabbed her and pulled her away.
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: He claims that it was her. Now, when I first
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: heard this first sighting and it was the taxi driver,
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: I didn't put a lot of weight into it when
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: I saw it because I thought maybe he saw the posters,
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: because they had posters up, you know. Offering twenty five
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: one thousand dollars reward or whatever, and I thought maybe
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: he was just like, Oh I saw her trying to
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: get a reward, so.
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: It was almost any planted in his head, yeah or not.
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: I didn't put a lot of weight into that sighting.
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: Let me guess until you went to Vegas went and
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: they were almost almost I.
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: Was almost abducted in Vegas.
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: See if you went missing that day? Yes, and thank
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: goodness you didn't.
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: Oh well, I'm glad you added that copasts.
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: Had you gone missing that day, yeah, that taxi driver
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: had have done the same thing, he said. Yeah, some
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: lady came up on a ride, then two men came
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: and took her away.
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: Well, also the differences if I would have gotten into
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: that car. There's cameras all over, and that's another problem
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: with a cruise ship in nineteen ninety eight is there's
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: not security cameras everywhere. There were only security cameras in
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: the big open areas like the like the pool and
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: things like that. They didn't have security cameras everywhere.
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: And this is monitoring that all the people in bathing suits. Yes, exactly,
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: the cameras. Where should we have three cameras? Where should
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: we play it? But yeah, exactly all right.
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: Then in August of nineteen ninety eight, this is on
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: Cursole Beach. You say, Cursso, how do you say it?
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: Curso?
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: Can you saying? Two Canadian tourists were scuba diving at
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: Plaia Porto Marie. They saw a woman with Amy's tattoos.
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: Now she has a Tasmanian devil and barbed wire tattoo.
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: Is right, nineteen ninety eight, like a barbed wire tattoo
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: and a Tasmanian devil tattoo. She looked distressed and seemed
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: unable to speak freely. They only learned later about Amy
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: being missing and reported it months after making this sighting.
• 33:42
  Speaker 3: Here was the issue too, was that they interviewed the
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: man that saw her. He was very credible.
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: I believed him. He was scuba diving, he has I
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: think he has background in like cybersecurity or something. He
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: was with a friend on the beach and he said
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: a woman walked by him on the beach, looked right
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: at him, looked like she wanted to say something to him,
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: and then two men came up and grabbed her and
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: kind of pulled her away.
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: Well, I'm sorry, when was this that? He claims to
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: have seen her.
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: This is in August of nineteen ninety eight, so this
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: is what three four months after she disappeared.
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: These two men can't keep ahold of her apparently, no.
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: I know, she keeps wandering off. They keep having the ground.
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: Why are people just like, uh, somebody asked for direction
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: and then two men came and took her away and
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: that's the end of it.
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: I don't know. He also claims that one of the
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: men that was with her looks like Alistair Douglas, the
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: guy named Yellow who was on the ship and was
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: part of the crew. So this is this is one
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: of the more credible leads. And I found this guy
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: when they interviewed him, I found him to be very,
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: very credible. He didn't come forward until I believe later,
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: was it a magazine or something He saw a photo
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: of her like Amy Bradley's missing, and then he was
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: like that's he put it together and he was like,
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: that's the girl I saw on the beach and then he,
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: you know, reached out to authorities. So that's a very
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: credible sighting of her on a beach in Currosal. Yeah,
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: in January of nineteen ninety nine, This is a brothel
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: in Currosow. A US Navy petty officer, William Hefner. He
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: claims that he saw a woman in a brothel and
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: she introduced herself as Amy Bradley and begged him for help,
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: saying she was being held against her will. The woman
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: was quickly pulled away by her two handlers. He waited
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: until figures he waited until two thousand and two to
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: report the incident due to fear of career consequences. This
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: is because he was he's in the Navy. He was
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: active duty in the Navy. They docked in Currosoal and
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: he's at a brothel where he's clearly not supposed to
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: be at a brothel. So he claims that he saw
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: Amy Bradley. She said, I'm Amy Bradley. I need help.
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: Not to be funny, but is brothel legal there?
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: Well, I don't know, but.
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: I just wondering if it's like organized or if it's
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: like totally like under wraps and it's then it's more shady.
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: Well, I would say in the Caribbean, like, I don't
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: know if anybody's really I think he just didn't want
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: to be in trouble with the military. Because he's a
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: navy he's in the navy, and he's not supposed to
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: be at a brothel drinking, all right, So he didn't
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: report the incident until two thousand and two, which is
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: like three years later. But that was another scenario where
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: I bet he waited until he was discharged or he
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: was whatever, he was out, and then he came forward
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: and said that he saw her. Oh, but the brothel
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: has since burned down. I was waiting, you see how
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: I pause and pause. Then in two thousand and five,
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: this was okay. So there was a website that has
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: sex workers on the website and someone under an anonymous
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: email emailed the family and showed a picture of Amy
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: Bradley on the website.
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: And if you look at the picture, do you compare
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: the picture I did?
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know if you have, but I mean, we'll.
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: Pull social I've never seen anything.
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: So this is what she looks like when she disappeared.
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: And this is the picture of her on the website.
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: Now, if those pictures are correct, pictures like they're real,
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: that's her.
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: And the other interesting thing about the picture of her
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: on the sex website is she does have distinguishing tattoos.
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: We talked about it. She has the she has the
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: barb wire tattoo, she has a Tasmanian devil tattoos. She
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: also has a butterfly tattoo, and I think another one.
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: I think there's a fourth tattoo.
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: When was this second picture taken?
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: This one? This is too well, the picture came to
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: the family in two thousand and five.
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: Five, so seven years later.
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: So this is the first picture is on the cruise ship.
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: That's nineteen ninety eight. The second picture on her of
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: her on this website is two thousand and five. Well,
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: I don't know when it was taken, but it was sent.
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: Well, she had significantly longer hair. I was just wondering
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: how far apart they were.
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: But the thing about the picture on the sex website
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: is that none of her tattoos are shown, even though
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: she has four. And she also has very distinguishing birthmarks,
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: and she's positioned in a way where you can't see
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: any of those.
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: You know, I wonder if did you did they ever
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: show the actual website or a snapshot of the website,
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: or just that individual photo.
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: They showed, and then in the documentary they only show
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: her photo. They they don't show the website. But the
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: FBI did get involved in that sighting. They sent someone
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: down to investigate, and they also did whatever the FBI
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: does on the analytics on the photo to make sure
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: it wasn't photoshops.
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: And they did that don't grow. Despite your growth. Basically
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: between the nose and the eyes and cheekbones and stuff,
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: they don't change.
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: They couldn't one percent confirm her identity, but they said
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: that it could definitely be her. I don't know when
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: I looked like it looks like the same person.
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: I mean it is the same person.
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: And knows the way the mouth has shaped, the eyes,
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: the eyebrows, everything looks identical.
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: In other words, her face is the same. Yes, her
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: base photos.
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: Is the same. Yes. Then there was another sighting in
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: two thousand and eight. This is in Barbados. This was
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: a witness. Her name was Judy Mower. She was an
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: American tourist. She's also in the documentary. She claims that
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: she was in a department store restroom and she encountered
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: a distressed woman accompanied by three men. See they have
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: upsecurity on her. They were like two clearly too not enough.
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: She keeps getting away.
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: It's a growing enterprise.
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: Yes, it's getting larger from the stall this woman, Judy
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: heard a woman mentioned children, and the men referenced a
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: client in an appointment and that she was forced to attend.
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: When the men briefly left the restroom, Judy asked the
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: woman about herself, learning that her name was Amy and
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: that she was originally from Virginia.
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: And that's correct, She's from Virginia.
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: Yes. Judy was unable to act because the woman who
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: allegedly was Amy was rushed out by the men too quickly.
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: Judy claims she was not previously aware of Amy's case
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: and only realized the significance of this encounter when she
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: returned to the US and saw a television special. I
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: think this was the Doctor Phil show. She was watching
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: Doctor Phil and he did a story on the Amy
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: Bradley disappearance and they put her picture up, and then
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: Judy was like, and that's the woman I saw.
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: And supposed to show that assuming all these sightings are
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: accurate and his Amy Bradley, or even if it's not
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: Amy Bradley, they believe it to be Amy Brady. That
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: but for the widespread news, how many of these women
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: are abducted and it's not widespread news and they just
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: go missing tons.
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, and apparently a cruise ship isn't easy.
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: And doctor Phil if he didn't have them on this
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: lady would never reported it. I mean, how many other
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: times they are there like that? And then then earlier
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: when you're telling the story, I was thinking, why would
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: they go all, like go through the effort of going
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: on a cruise ship because they'd have to buy a
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: ticket and then abduct someone and this and that. But
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: it's because of there's no jurisdiction. It's just a missing
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: person and that's the end of the case. She could
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: have jumped off.
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what, let me add one other fact
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: in there. So you know when they went, you know,
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: on a cruise ship, when you go to dinner and
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: you do the formal dinner and they take photos there
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: were they took photos of Amy and the family at
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: the dinner, and then when the family went to pick
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: up the photos, the photos of Amy were missing. No really, Yeah,
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: so that's another thing that you have to That's why
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: I tell you I need to make a column and
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: put overboard.
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: Okay, so why abducted? Why would why would they go missing?
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: Meaning like why if the abductors were getting rid of
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: these photos, what good did that do? I mean, we
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: knew she was a person.
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: Because here's my thought. Yellow and we'll get to this
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: a little bit later, but maybe we'll just talk about
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: it now. Yellow has a daughter and her name is
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: our Nika, Amika, not Arnica. Arnica is the medicine or
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: something right or Arnica I think anyway, Amika is the
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: daughter of Yellow, the guy who was talking to Amy,
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: the last person she was seen with. Amika came forward
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: and reached out to the Bradley family and had a
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: conversation with them about her dad. My thought when I
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: was watching it was she knew more than she was
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: letting on in the documentary. I felt as if she
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: knew that her dad was involved somehow, but she didn't
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: want to give up her dad, so she kept giving
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: her dad the opportunity to come clean. Because she actually
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: calls her dad while on camera being interviewed for this
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: documentary and asked him if he had anything to do
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: with it, and on the phone, she's got him on speakerphone.
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: He's like, I had nothing.
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: To do with it.
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: You know, I saw her. We danced. That was it.
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: That was the last thing. But the daughter claims that
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: she saw a suitcase that her dad had that had
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: photos of white women in it, like like a lot
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: of photos of all these different white women. So what
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: I was making, how's this girl at the time, Well,
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: she's in her twenties or something.
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: Okay, now she's an adult.
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: She was a child and Yellows daughter Yellow's daughter. And
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: when I thought when I saw when I heard her
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: say that she saw a suitcase that had photos of
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: a lot of white women in it, and then the
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: photos of Amy were missing, I thought, he's low on
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: the totem pole. He's working for someone. If we're talking
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: about an alleged abduction. He took the photos and he's
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: showing him to whoever the and saying, hey, how about
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: this girl? You know what I mean?
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: Oh you think he used that as a lineup? Yeah,
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: Like he collects the photos and then they pick one and.
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: They're like, Okay, she's attractive and young, and you know
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: she doesn't she's not with like a whole but she's
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: not with like a big group of girls.
• 43:44
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: She kind of is with her family. So she's a loner.
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: She's kind of off on her own. Doing her own thing.
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: She's at a disco tech right. So the photos was
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: another thing that threw me off the fact that they
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: disappeared from the ship and the photos of the formal
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: night were gone of her and then alleged, according to
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: Yellow's daughter, he was found with a suitcase full of
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: photos of women.
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: And that's the daughter saying that about the dad and
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: the daughter.
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: To me, and I don't know what you guys think
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: when you watched this, but to me, I felt like
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: the daughter knew more because she felt compelled to reach
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: out to the Bradley family and talk to them and
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: connect with them. I feel like she felt guilty, but
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: she also didn't want to give up her dad. So
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: I felt like she was very conflicted.
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: Now well, and that's why I asked if she was
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: a younger child. I don't know how someone.
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: She grew up with this hanging over, Like I know.
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: Her, that was always in the back of her mind.
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: Well, and it was always an issue because I think
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: he claims that Alistair Douglas claims that you know, he
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: was you know, he gets online hate. He had trouble
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: getting jobs because he was involved in this, you know,
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: and he also was given a light detector test by
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: the FBI and it came out inconclusive.
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: Oh and those light detector tests, you know what valid
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: they are? They are valid.
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I need everyone to remember that. Please plant that
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: in your brain. So Judy, back to Judy. Judy is
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: the one that saw her in the restroom or yeah,
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: in a bathroom in Barbados. She's watching Doctor Phil. They're
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: doing the story on Amy Bradley. It shows a picture
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: of Amy Bradley and then she's like, that is the
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: girl I saw in Barbados. So that's another I don't know.
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: I found her to be credible too in her interview.
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: You know, when you watch these things and you listen
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: to people and you you way whether you believe them
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: or not. I found her to be very believable anyway.
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: So the other theories as to what happened to Amy
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: Bradley that night clearly are one that she drank too
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: much and that she fell overboard. Other people I've seen
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: a lot of this have speculated that she was trying
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: to take a photo because she was going to enter
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: a photo contest. However, there's no camera unless she had
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: a camera with her on the balcony. And then she
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: fell over and the camera went with her. But I
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: don't know if I believe this whole photo theory of
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: her trying to take photos from the balcony and like
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: leaned over too far and ended up falling.
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, photo of the black sky, I don't know.
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: Look how the black sky means the black ocean?
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know, so, but that's what some people
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: are not playing. There's also the theory because Amy was
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: a lesbian and she was in a relationship with a woman,
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: but her parents were not accepted or not that they
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: threw her overboard. But there's people that speculate that maybe
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: she committed suicide because her parents weren't accepting of the
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: fact that she was a lesbian. However, I still go
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: back to the fact that you know, she seemed happy.
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: She got I'm sorry, she got a puppy, and she
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: had a puppy at home, And if you have a
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: dog at home waiting on you, you're not going to
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: commit suicide.
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: I don't know. You don't know, no, because people it's
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: like saying, oh, oh, Robin Williams, he had everything at
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: his leisure, Yeah, why would he kill himself? Because that's
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: not it, And maybe he bought a fancy house. Maybe
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: he tried to do the big movies to try to
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: escape from his depression. So maybe her, maybe she got
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: a puppy. I don't think she did, but I'm telling
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: you what's possible. Maybe she got a puppy. Maybe she
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: was doing all these things to try to distract her
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: from whatever was she was struggling with with her folks.
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: So I'm just putting that out there, just meaning you
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: can't just look at someone and be like, oh, they
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: must be happy, because look at all they have.
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: So there were some things that were not in the
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: documentary that I because after I watched the documentary, I
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: don't just watch the documentary. I watched the documentary and
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: then I obsess over the documentary, so then I constantly
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: Google read, read articles, get on Reddit, I read as
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: much as possible to add to it. So there were
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: some things that weren't in the documentary that I thought
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: were important. And then I started to realize that the
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: documentary was good, but you could tell it was. It
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: was definitely positioned that she was abducted. And I think
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: that's because and this is just me, this is my opinion.
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: I think because they wanted the family involved in the documentary.
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: The family is very much holding onto hope that she's
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: adopted and she's alive, and she's out there and they're
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: going to find her well.
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: And maybe they were also just putting it from her
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: point their point of view, you know, so that they
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: gathered from them.
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: There were there were certain things that were left out
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: of the documentary that maybe weren't so savory towards the family.
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: Two questions before you get into that, Yeah, is it
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: documentary recent?
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, on Netflix right now?
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: And the other second question was where's it streaming on Netflix? Okay,
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: you answer that.
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: So there was also the Bradleys were scammed out of
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: two hundred thousand dollars searching for Amy. So there was
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: there was a man that came forward. His name was
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: Frank and he claimed to be a former Navy seal
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: and he basically went to them and he was like, look,
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: I have a team. They're in the Caribbean. If you
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: pay me, you know, I'm a former Navy seal. I'm
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: going to go down there. We're going to find her.
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: There's been sightings of her. We're going to get her. Yes,
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: total scam. So the family paid him around twenty two
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: thousand dollars out of their own personal money. Then I
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: believe there was another around one hundred and eighty thousand
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: dollars paid to him that came from like some type
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: of victims fund. So he scammed them out of over
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: two hundred thousand dollars. As far as I know, he
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: wasn't a former Navy seal. There was no Navy Seal
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: group in the Caribbean. He would also send photos to
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: them and updates, basically like I'm here, we've seen her,
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: there's been sightings, and kept them funding more money, you know,
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: cause it's like we're close, we saw her, here's a
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: picture of her back, and they would send a photo
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: of like a woman that.
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: I mean, I'm mad at this person for scamming and
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: tugging at the hearts of these people and using them,
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: But I'm also mad at this family sometimes when it's like,
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: why don't you you got to do some due diligence,
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: people are gonna just but I know that they just
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: have this hope, right, so they're just throwing money hoping
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: that you know something. So I feel for them, but
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: sometimes it makes me. It makes me really angry when
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: people take money from victims like that and that are
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: heartbroken and then it really and then I also get
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: upset at the family for kind of letting themselves being
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: taken advantage of.
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so his name was Frank Jones, and.
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: That two hundre thousand hollars they could have moved down
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: there and lived there. Yeah, he was to walk around
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: and try to look for her.
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that was another question I had. And these are
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: just things I would do that pop up in my mind. One,
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: Here's here's one question I have. And maybe maybe I'm
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: just dumb. I don't know, but I do have a question.
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: When she showed up on the website that showed her
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: as a sex worker, and I know they sent the
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: FBI down there to investigate. They even like they looked
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: into the photo, they looked at the bed, They tried
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: to find like the manufacturer of the bed so that
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: they could locate you know this. I but to me,
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: I'm like, why didn't someone go undercover and try to
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: hire her?
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, if she's on a weekend, right, he
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: just went to the brothel. Yeah, like they took her.
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, if she's on a website being advertised
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: as a sex worker.
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: He didn't call the FBI and say, hey, I think
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: she's over there. Yeah, why didn't and then they go
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: and like research the beds. Yeah, I went in and
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: he took her.
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: Like, why isn't someone like stationed down there undercover trying
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: to hire this girl because they're advertising her services? So
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: how is it that like that?
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: And maybe they did.
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: Maybe that's just.
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: That that seems to be a missed opportunity for sure, Right.
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: And then to your point that you were talking about
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: as a parent, I think I would have done the
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: same thing. I think I would move there too, because
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: if there's all these sightings between these three little islands
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: like Barbados and Aruba and Carousal, and there's multiple sightings
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: in Carousal, I'm telling you what, we would all pack
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: up and we would leave.
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: There was reason to believe that she's flown around.
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: And we would all be living in Cursow and every
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: day we would be on a mission to if I
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: truly believed that she was alive and she was existing
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: out there, I would find her.
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: I would be at every brothel.
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: Yes, you would, I know you would, thank you. Oh,
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: there was another thing that wasn't in the Netflix documentary
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: that Brad talks about on a podcast, or it was
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: also on some other I think it was on an
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: Unsolved Mysteries. It was said that Amy's brother Brad, claimed
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: that Yellow had come up to him on the pool
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: deck shortly after Amy disappeared and said, hey, man, I'm
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: sorry about your sister. Now, from what I take away
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: from that is, this is before anyone knew that she
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: was truly missing, because it took so long before they
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: made the announcement that she was missing. So Yello had
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: come up and said hey, I'm sorry about your sister
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: before it was known. So that was something else that
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: was kind of omitted or not talked about in the documentary. Also,
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: a jawbone washed up on shore near where Amy went missing.
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: This is in twenty ten, local authorities discovered a jawbone
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: that washed up on a beach in Aruba. It was
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: believed to belong to a Caucasian. There was another female,
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: it just says Caucasian. There was another missing person case
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: around the same time as this discovery, and that was
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: eighteen year old Natalie Holloway. The jawbone was tested and
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: found to not belong to Natalie, but no such testing
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: was carried out to see if it belonged to Amy Bradley.
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: Now see there's another thing. You're spending two hundred thousand
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: dollars on a fake Navy seal, Like, get the jawbone tested.
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: I do believe you can.
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: You can't be fair. Maybe they were tapped out by then.
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: Maybe it wasn't so easy.
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: Well, the FBI should be testing it.
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: Somebody should be testing it the jawbone at this time.
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: I don't know who has the jaw bone, but I would.
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: Like someone there. Is it literally just a bone?
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: I don't know, but I do think that with bones, now,
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: can't you get deep?
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: And you can't what could be DNA in there? But yeah,
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: to think twenty ten, so that this thing's flotting around
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: for twelve years in the ocean, it's going to have
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: a bunch of algae and stuff.
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so that was something else that they didn't really
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: talk about. That Natalie Holloway case. That's an interesting one too.
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: I feel like we need.
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: To do today.
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: No not today. You're like, I'm not prepared for that.
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: I'm not prepared for that any of them.
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: You never are.
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: Thanks for showing up that.
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: You are just shade and then in twenty ten, even
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: though there was no conclusion to this case, and it
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: still is an open missing person's case and the FBI
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: still has it as you know, a missing persons and
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: if you have any information. However, she was declared dead
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: in twenty ten because she had been gone. And then
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: there's one other thing I wanted to talk about that
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: they didn't talk about in the Netflix documentary, and this
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: is because I felt like again that the producers were
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: pushing this narrative of like her being abducted, and I
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: think they were trying to keep the family happy, and
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: they wanted the family to be on board, and they
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: wanted the family to be a big part of it.
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: The family sued Royal Caribbean right after this happened, and
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: they actually sued them in two different lawsuits. One was
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: like a negligence intentional infliction of emotional distress and then
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: the second one was a wrongful death. But what happened
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: was they sued them in Miami that was the jurisdiction
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: right and they ended up dismissing both cases because they
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: found that the Bradleys perjured themselves in court. Well, they
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: say that they perpetuated a fraud on the court by
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: giving false answers during their depositions. And this is where
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: I think one in the wrongful death case, they want
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: her to be dead, so then you don't want to
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: give information about sighting. So I think that they were
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: not giving they were not forthcoming about these credible sightings
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: because they need her to be dead for the wrongful
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: death suit. But then in the negligence and like the
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: intentional infliction of emotional distress, I think there were lots
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: of sightings, like one hundred plus sightings that claim that
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: they saw that people saw her not under dress, just
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: disembarking from the ship, and they didn't bring forth that
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: evidence either. So basically they were withholding a lot of
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: evidence in their depositions. And then the judge just got
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: really irritated and said, you're perjured the court. You're not forthcoming.
• 56:24
  Speaker 2: And these depositions, any cases were right, So that's what
• 56:31
  Speaker 2: happened with those and that was not brought up.
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: There were no details given about these court cases in
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: the Netflix documentary. I think it's because it doesn't look
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: good for the Bradleys that maybe takes away from their
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: integrity or care.
• 56:45
  Speaker 2: On the and I think they wanted Bradley as opposed
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: to you know, the legal progressions and whatnot.
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but I think it also goes down to just
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: them and their credibility and you know, so anyway, so anyway,
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: those were dismissed.
• 56:59
  Speaker 2: And then that the judge went on a cruise right
• 57:01
  Speaker 2: after the case was dismissed.
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: Oh yacumentary from was it on Rhapsody of the Seas?
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: All right? So I also read an article about the
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: documentary makers were interviewed, and I thought the interview was
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: really interesting. So when asked if they think Amy is alive,
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: Aery Mark Ari Mark said, I got to the point
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: on this show where I became close enough with the people.
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: Of course, we remain objective, and we were objective through
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: the whole process. There are enough reasons to believe all
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: of these things are possible. That's what makes it compelling.
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: But brad Amy's brother says, I have to cling to
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: the hope. He's like, I'm not saying it's definitely this
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: or definitely that, but I have to cling to the hope.
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: I think that is important when you're analyzing this case,
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: is that there's enough credible sightings out there, and then
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: there's the website, and there's the possibility that she is
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: still alive, and that's what helps the family get through
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: the day.
• 57:51
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you hold on to that too. I wouldn't
• 57:53
  Speaker 2: be like, well and probably not, I would be holding
• 57:55
  Speaker 2: on to that, you know.
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: And it's also interesting they really like preserved her like
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: a time capsule because she drove a Maza Miata and
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: they have the car in pristine condition in the parents
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: in the garage waiting for her.
• 58:11
  Speaker 2: Okay, one of your kids go missing, are you going
• 58:13
  Speaker 2: to clean out the room and redecorate.
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: No, but I'm just saying yeah, so they're holding on
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: to hope that that she is out there. My other question,
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: and I didn't tell you this before, tell me what
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: you think about this. The website. There's a website like
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: Amy Bradley is Missing website, and they get a lot
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: of hits because they've done the analytics on this website.
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: It's information about her photos. The hits come from Barbados
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: and Carousal that area, and the hits are the most
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: prevalent and the most hits around the family's birthday and holidays.
• 58:52
  Speaker 2: So I don't know if that means anything.
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: Well, a lot of people think it's Amy Bradley.
• 58:58
  Speaker 2: So what on the holiday birthday? She goes, Oh, because
• 59:01
  Speaker 2: there are other updates on that website. Yes, there's updates.
• 59:04
  Speaker 2: I thought that was just like a missing poster.
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: No, well, it's Amy Bradley is missing. But it's but
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: the family adds updates and they add photos and things
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: and the most of the okay, camry from those islands.
• 59:17
  Speaker 2: And you're implying that it's possible that it's her, Well,
• 59:21
  Speaker 2: it's not just me.
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: People think that it could be her.
• 59:24
  Speaker 2: Wouldn't you reach out?
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: That is my question? That's what I was getting to.
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: If she's looking at a website and she's looking at
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: photos of her family, and she has access to a computer,
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: why can't you just send like, can you send any like?
• 59:37
  Speaker 2: Because maybe it's not her? But then why are they maybe?
• 59:40
  Speaker 2: But then why are they hitting?
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: Why are there so many hits on the days when
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: like it's her brother's birthday or.
• 59:45
  Speaker 2: Her mom's birthday's official? This dad is official.
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: Yes, it's like a cyber yeah person together. Yeah. And also,
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: I don't know, it's been twenty seven years. In twenty
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: seven years, now, you couldn't slip a like a help
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: me piece of paper over to someone or something.
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 2: Well, she did well, according to you, she went up
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 2: to a couple of people and she made efforts. Yeah,
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 2: but it's not that easy. What if what if the
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 2: two men grab her or take her and beat her
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 2: or do something or threaten to kill her family. We
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 2: know where your family is either here on doctor Phil,
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 2: We're gonna kill him. Well, there's and I I you
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 2: can you can. I can assure you that you can
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 2: get any person, particularly someone you know, under threat like
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 2: that where she's been abducted and she knows she's under
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 2: their control and they say we know your family, we
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 2: have pictures, we will kill them. Yeah, and that's the
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 2: end of it. So you can't fault her for not
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 2: reaching out. You can wonder why she couldn't, but you
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 2: can't fault her if she doesn't reach out.
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: There are some people also that think that maybe she
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: has children now at this point, and because there was
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: some mention that one woman, Judy that saw her in
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 1: the bathroom and Barbados said there was a conversation about
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: like she overheard them saying you can see the kids,
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: or you can see the children later or something like that.
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: So people speculate that maybe she has children.
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, twenty seven years, that's a lot. That's longer than
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 2: she was alive. But when she got adducted, so she
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 2: might just be, you know, accepting kind of her new Well.
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: I also thought maybe at this point, if she is alive,
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: maybe there's an element of Stockholm syndrome.
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 2: I guess that was my way of saying, she's accepted
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 2: kind of this is my life, these are my kids,
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 2: this is this is just the way it is. Like
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 2: it's not great, but it's the way it is righteous.
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 2: So she kind of succumbed to the circumstances.
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: Right, So when the picture this is going back, we're
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: just going back a little bit back to the creators
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: who created this documentary. When the picture of the prostitute
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: and Cursaal was brought up, they talk about Amy being
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 1: positioned in a very specific way that would hide her
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: identifying marks, her tattoos and birth marks, which we talked
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: about earlier. Ari Mark comments that part really made us
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: scratch our heads too. The other piece that's hard to
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: ignore is how seriously the FBI took the photo. It
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: wasn't like they were like, oh whatever, They really did
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: chase down that lead. They analyzed the bedframe, tried to
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: figure out where it was made. They send an operative
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: down there to actually scope it out, and they did
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: look into the website and they brought in a trafficking expert.
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: So that's all hard to ignore. Even with all those
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: things and all the things the FBI did, they still
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: couldn't locate her. Then the interviewer points out on family
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: birthdays and holidays, traffic to the Bradley's Tips website spikes
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 1: and the same geographical area where Amy has supposedly been spotted.
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: The FBI does not have jurisdiction to pull the exact
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 1: IP address, but they have the ability to, which is
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: incredibly frustrating. So that was the other thing they cannot.
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: They're not pulling the IP address of these hits on
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: this Amy Bradley updates website. All right, So where am
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: I at personally? It Again, this case just reminds me
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 1: of Karen Reid, where it's so easy to say, you
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: know what, she probably just jumped or she probably fell,
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 1: But when you take a deeper dive, you just it's
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 1: hard for me to commit to that. I do believe
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: based upon the credible sightings, the fact that Alistair Douglas
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 1: was seen with her, that he had a suitcase of
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 1: women's photos, that her photos disappeared from the ship, That
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 1: it is very very likely and very possible that she's
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 1: still alive and that she was abducted. I think that's
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: where I'm going to land with that, and I do hope.
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 1: My hope is that because all of this is coming
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 1: to light and now it's just everyone's talking about it
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 1: and there's a documentary that I hope for the family
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: that there is some conclusion to this saga for them,
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 1: because the not knowing has to just be I can't
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 1: imagine every day waking up and just not knowing what
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: happened to your daughter. Right So anyway, one last update,
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 1: people are calling for an AMY alert on cruise ships.
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: There is a petition on change dot org with over
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 1: twelve thousand signatures that calls for a mandatory AMY alert
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 1: system on cruise ships, similar similar to an Amber alert,
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 1: ensuring immediate announcements and heightened awareness among among all passengers
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 1: and crew. The petition states that mandating AMY alerts would
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: improve response times for any potential crisis on board, and
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 1: it could prevent prolonged uncertainties for families and even save lives.
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  Speaker 1: So I don't know. As far as policy change, I
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  Speaker 1: couldn't really find that there was a lot of policy
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  Speaker 1: change based upon the Amy Bradley case. It was more
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: of just now there's more security or security cameras on
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 1: cruise ships. But at the end of the day, you're
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  Speaker 1: still on a floating.
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  Speaker 2: Well as strong, you're only as strong as your weakest link.
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  Speaker 2: And they get all the cameras in the world. If
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  Speaker 2: they don't preserve the evidence, they don't do their investigation,
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  Speaker 2: if they don't lock down the ship, then none of that's.
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  Speaker 1: And I do know that during that time period in
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  Speaker 1: the nineties, the crew could fratnize with the passengers, and
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  Speaker 1: now I do believe that there are strict, stricter rules
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  Speaker 1: as far as not co mingling with passengers and things
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  Speaker 1: like that. So, I mean, some things have changed since
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 1: the disappearance of Amy Bradley, but not a lot. So
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  Speaker 1: everyone needs to be make sure you read the back
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  Speaker 1: of your ticket when you go on a cruise. I'm
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  Speaker 1: actually supposed to be on a cruise in like a
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  Speaker 1: week on rural Caribbean.
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  Speaker 2: What's the name of the ship I'm going to find out?
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  Speaker 1: All right, Thanks guys for listening. We appreciate it.