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Patriots Unfiltered 4/28: Day 2 NFL Draft Show, Christian Gonzalez In-Studio · Patriots Unfiltered

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  Speaker 3: Welcome to the twenty twenty three Patriots Unfiltered Draft Show,
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  Speaker 3: presented by Aristocrat Gaming.
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  Speaker 4: Did everybody quick, you pick one guy, one player?
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  Speaker 5: You gotta find off on it. That's what the Patriots
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  Speaker 5: are taking it.
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  Speaker 6: Fourteen Christian Gonzalez. I'm gonna take Christian gonzalas too.
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  Speaker 2: Going to be with us book, I think, okay, just
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  Speaker 2: like Witherspoon better. I'm saying it's going to be. It
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  Speaker 2: is going to be withersbook. I worry about your use
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  Speaker 2: of the word shop. They went shock. What does that mean?
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  Speaker 6: I afraided guys.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, so the guys on the chop they didn't they
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  Speaker 2: didn't try.
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  Speaker 6: J Carter, I mean, if I haven't seen anybody, I've
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  Speaker 6: seen it a few times now.
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  Speaker 2: Confirms the pick is in for Eagles. Paul, you got
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  Speaker 2: a tip the Eagles? Yeah?
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  Speaker 6: Oh, Bear's pick is in. Oh.
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  Speaker 7: I love this offensive tax Charnell Right, all right, Tennessee, Right.
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  Speaker 8: Chicago, Chicago, Alright, Tennessee.
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  Speaker 6: We're gonna need you to listen what Evan just talked about.
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  Speaker 6: Right about two minutes.
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  Speaker 2: I was just I just had to go to the bathroom. Sat.
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  Speaker 6: Thanks for taking you, Mike. We did I do?
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  Speaker 2: I do?
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  Speaker 9: No?
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  Speaker 2: I didn't. I'm although I could have got an electric shoot.
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  Speaker 3: But this is the twenty twenty three Patriots Unfiltered Draft Show,
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  Speaker 3: presented by Aristocrat Game.
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  Speaker 2: All Right, welcome to Patriots Unfiltered, the twenty twenty three
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  Speaker 2: Draft Extravaganza. We are here in the bowels of Gillette
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  Speaker 2: Stadium while the team, the football part of the team,
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  Speaker 2: is in the war room getting ready for rounds two
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  Speaker 2: and three tonight. We are gonna be here from seven
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  Speaker 2: o'clock until ten o'clock live, covering everything we can during
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  Speaker 2: that time. We're on video until till eight o'clock and
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  Speaker 2: then per league rules, will be just going to audio
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  Speaker 2: from eight to ten. But it's Mike, So, it's Evan Lazarre,
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  Speaker 2: It's Paul Perowell, myself, Matt Morel, and Matt Lapan in
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  Speaker 2: the booth. Others may join us later, who knows.
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  Speaker 6: Maybe Christian Gonzalez.
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  Speaker 2: We might even we might hear from Christian Gonzalez later
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  Speaker 2: in the show. But so let's let's get right into it.
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  Speaker 2: Patriots took Christian Gonzalez yesterday consensus. I haven't heard anyone.
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  Speaker 2: I mean some have tried to you know, you know,
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  Speaker 2: criticizable Patriots about moving down blah blah blah. They got
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  Speaker 2: Christian Gonzales. Christian Gonzalez is one of the highest rated cornerbacks,
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  Speaker 2: if not the first, the second rated cornerback you know,
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  Speaker 2: in this draft. They got him. I don't care how
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  Speaker 2: they got him. They got him, and I think we're
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  Speaker 2: all happy about that.
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  Speaker 7: I'm happy, yeah, to be honest, I got home last
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  Speaker 7: night a little late, and I just you know, I
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  Speaker 7: wanted to put him nder the microscope a little bit,
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  Speaker 7: and I think, look, there's plenty of love about him,
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  Speaker 7: and I would just say, look, he's super athletic, he's
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  Speaker 7: got ideal size, he runs like exactly like you want.
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  Speaker 7: And he's twenty years old. It'll be twenty one in
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  Speaker 7: a couple months, so all those.
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  Speaker 6: Things are going for him.
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  Speaker 7: You know, just kind of browsing the internet, you know,
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  Speaker 7: trying to get other scouting reports and just you know,
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  Speaker 7: try to get a full picture of him. And I
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  Speaker 7: know Evan's been doing a bunch of research as well,
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  Speaker 7: So I mean I think that he has a lot
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  Speaker 7: of positives and certainly a position that they need.
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  Speaker 6: The kind of I mean.
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  Speaker 7: Talking to other guys out here, I mean, everybody knows it.
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  Speaker 7: This is the kind of guy that they needed to
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  Speaker 7: add to their secondary you know when I think he's
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  Speaker 7: got a high floor too, just based on his speed.
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  Speaker 7: He can run, he's got size, But I do think
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  Speaker 7: that you know, look, he's he's he's going to need
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  Speaker 7: some time to develop a little bit. He's not going
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  Speaker 7: to walk out there in a couple of weeks and.
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  Speaker 6: Be the guy.
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  Speaker 7: So, you know, as excited as we are, I think
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  Speaker 7: it's worth you know, hey, let's let's let's go about
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  Speaker 7: this reasonably.
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  Speaker 8: I think you know, I said this to you before
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  Speaker 8: we started recording, that we're hyping up this kid so
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  Speaker 8: much that I hope we're not over hyping him. And
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  Speaker 8: he and you mentioned his age, which is it's a
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  Speaker 8: double edged sword because on the one hand, he's only
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  Speaker 8: twenty years old, so he does have some physical development
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  Speaker 8: to still go. But on the other side, he broke
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  Speaker 8: out at a very young age, which suggests that his
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  Speaker 8: ceiling is sky high, and the athletic profile certainly suggests
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  Speaker 8: that as well. But Patriots fans should be a little
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  Speaker 8: bit patient, like he's not gonna get out there and
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  Speaker 8: week one and cover Stefon Diggs by himself, Like it's
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  Speaker 8: we're not throwing him right into the fire just yet,
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  Speaker 8: so we'll see what happens. But I like the fact
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  Speaker 8: that he's young, but it's also something that you have
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  Speaker 8: to keep in mind and he's gonna need some develop Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it's like for all the rookies, it's like
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  Speaker 2: drinking out of a fire hose. You know, there's just
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  Speaker 2: so much information that they're gonna throw at him. So
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  Speaker 2: but well, yeah, everything about him is you gotta love it.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, it was funny because we also heard from the
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  Speaker 7: assistant coaches today surprise, But it was funny just listening
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  Speaker 7: to Bill O'Brien. Clearly, I mean, Christian gets also on
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  Speaker 7: the side of the ball, but everybody want to ask
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  Speaker 7: about the rookies, and Bill's like, look, Bill O'Brien, I
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  Speaker 7: know fans get really excited about the draft, but you know,
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  Speaker 7: for us, we're here, we're kind of you know, working
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  Speaker 7: with the veterans, were you know, in the train rolling.
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  Speaker 7: So I think it's a little bit of perspective from
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  Speaker 7: the coaching staff that as much as you have high
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  Speaker 7: expectations and high hopes, and that's great and they need it,
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  Speaker 7: it's also right to temper it and understand that there's
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  Speaker 7: gonna be some growing pains with these kids. And but
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  Speaker 7: that said, I think we're all very excited to get
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  Speaker 7: this quality of athlete in the building at this position.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, And I would just say, just sort of wrapping
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  Speaker 6: up last night. You know, as the round ended, there
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  Speaker 6: were some tweets coming out about some teams that were
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  Speaker 6: trying to be aggressive and get back up into the
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  Speaker 6: bottom of the first round. Patriots are one of those teams.
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  Speaker 6: I think Jeremy Fowler was one that tweeted out the
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  Speaker 6: Patriots were one of a handful of teams looking to
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  Speaker 6: to possibly move back in, which is something that Evan
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  Speaker 6: and I talked about a little bit with the receivers
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  Speaker 6: before Evan correctly predicted the run on receivers with the
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  Speaker 6: four in a row that went there in the twenties. Congratulations, congratulations.
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  Speaker 6: I almost felt congratulated me. I almost felt as good
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  Speaker 6: about that as I did about you getting Christian Gonzales
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  Speaker 6: and the draft. But now you know, starting to look
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  Speaker 6: now Pro Football Talk, Titans, Falcons Raiders were desperately trying
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  Speaker 6: to trade back into the bottom of the round one
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  Speaker 6: last night back you know, from where they were at
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  Speaker 6: toward the top of the draft. You know, those those
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  Speaker 6: teams were seven eleven, and every.
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  Speaker 2: One of those you could make the case for Will Levis. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: even even you.
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  Speaker 6: Know, were Hendon Hooker. Yeah, I don't know who they
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  Speaker 6: I think Hooker was a guy that really made sense
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  Speaker 6: for the bottom of the first round because if you're
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  Speaker 6: not going to be able to play him, you know
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  Speaker 6: won you might want that fifty year option, yeah, you know,
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  Speaker 6: just to have a little protection.
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  Speaker 8: But I was a little bit surprised that not a
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  Speaker 8: no no team quarterback needy team took the thirty first
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  Speaker 8: pick from Kansas City and tried to.
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  Speaker 6: Would make sense just you know, especially for him, you know,
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  Speaker 6: like it's gonna be interesting to see, you know. You know,
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  Speaker 6: Pittsburgh is on the club. Pittsburgh is the team right
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  Speaker 6: right that starts. So you got Pittsburgh, Arizona, Detroit, Indie,
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  Speaker 6: and then the Rams. So I mean Arizona I suppose
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  Speaker 6: could in Detroit, I suppose could, Pittsburgh won't, and an
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  Speaker 6: Indie won't. Ye, So you wonder if the Rams are
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  Speaker 6: gonna sit there and say, well, there's you know, Will
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  Speaker 6: Levis is our you know, replacement plan for Matthew Stafford. Right,
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  Speaker 6: you know, you wonder if if it ends up falling
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  Speaker 6: into place for them. I personally wouldn't like to see
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  Speaker 6: that if I were the Rams, because I think they
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  Speaker 6: need to, you know, after the FM picks, you know, Era,
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  Speaker 6: I think they probably could use a couple of picks
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  Speaker 6: that's not going to help them much this year.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, eight five five Pats five hundred is
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  Speaker 2: the ace ticket Hutline web radio at Patriots dot com
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  Speaker 2: as an email address. In terms of the Patriots, we
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  Speaker 2: all think it would be nice if they moved up
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  Speaker 2: in the second round, and we, like Paul said, they
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  Speaker 2: were trying to get into the first. So that means
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  Speaker 2: there are some players or a player that they would
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  Speaker 2: like to get early in this round. Is there a chance,
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  Speaker 2: I know we all say they need a wide receiver.
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  Speaker 2: Is there a chance the Patriots disagree that wide receiver
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  Speaker 2: isn't the need that we all think it is.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean I think at this point in the draft,
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  Speaker 7: you know, I think we all like Josh Downs and
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  Speaker 7: think you'd be a good fit. But you know, how
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  Speaker 7: much better is he than you know, Tyler Scott's.
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  Speaker 6: You know, you get down.
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  Speaker 7: It's it's everybody's got some kind of issue right now,
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  Speaker 7: which usually it's gonna be sized.
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  Speaker 2: But we we put we would say it it's pretty urgent.
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  Speaker 6: Oh, I wouldn't. I think at number one, like target
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  Speaker 6: is yeah, urgent, But but you're trying to jam it
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  Speaker 6: into the into the you know, the the whatever it is,
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  Speaker 6: the round pack in the square hole. It's tough. But
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  Speaker 6: I mean i'd look at tight end.
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  Speaker 7: I mean, I'm fully expecting they're gonna they're gonna trade up,
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  Speaker 7: like right now, Like it's I I just it seems
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  Speaker 7: like that, but it seems like one.
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  Speaker 2: Will want to too, So it's it's just because you
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  Speaker 2: want to doesn't mean you can.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, I would just I would just say tight end
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  Speaker 6: the tight end position.
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  Speaker 7: I think that that's as much as I like Josh Downs,
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  Speaker 7: I think right now you've got a chance to get
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  Speaker 7: into this tight end, you know, get into one of
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  Speaker 7: the best and go up and get.
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  Speaker 6: On agree more.
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  Speaker 8: I mean, the only tight end that went last night
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  Speaker 8: was Dalton Kincaid. Now you can have the pick of
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  Speaker 8: the litter if you can get up in the second round,
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  Speaker 8: Darnell Washington, Michael Mayer, Sam Laporta, musk Grave like, whoever
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  Speaker 8: is your guy, you can go and get them. And
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  Speaker 8: I think at this point this tight end class was
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  Speaker 8: already documented as one of the better tight end classes
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  Speaker 8: in a long time. And I think those guys are
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  Speaker 8: better players than the receivers that are still on the board.
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  Speaker 8: So I would definitely entertain that. I think an absolute
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  Speaker 8: home run draft for the Patriots is coming out of
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  Speaker 8: the first two days with Christian Gonzalez and Darnell Washington.
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  Speaker 8: I mean, I think all of us would just be
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  Speaker 8: over the moon if that was the first two picks
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  Speaker 8: in the draft.
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  Speaker 2: So it was ten minutes between picks last night, I
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  Speaker 2: think it's is it seven minutes?
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  Speaker 6: I think so seven in a second, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Seven minutes between picks this round. So right now the
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  Speaker 2: Steelers are on the clock just over six minutes left
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  Speaker 2: for their pick. Yeah. So they've got Kenny Pickett, right,
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  Speaker 2: they like.
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  Speaker 7: Him, yeah, you know, and they grabbed Anton Harrison right no, sorry,
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  Speaker 7: with the proderct Jones, Rodrick Jones, so they're you know,
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  Speaker 7: building around him, as you know, I think teams we
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  Speaker 7: know now from the Patriots perspective to you know, make
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  Speaker 7: sure you protect these guys, make sure you get them
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  Speaker 7: some weapons to move the ball to, and it seems
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  Speaker 7: like that's what they're going about. I was just trying
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  Speaker 7: to look real quick though, and I, oh, it is here,
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  Speaker 7: it is. So I just thought this was interesting. Albert
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  Speaker 7: Breer just saying that that George's Darnell Washington might have
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  Speaker 7: some medical concerns with him. So, I don't know, I
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  Speaker 7: just thought that was something interesting. You get these things
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  Speaker 7: during the draft where all of a sudden, oh, by
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  Speaker 7: the way, this guy that everybody's pumped up about in
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  Speaker 7: the top of the second round has some medical issues
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  Speaker 7: that really haven't come to light yet, and all the
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  Speaker 7: league knows about it. Now all the media is going
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  Speaker 7: to find out about it, and you know, maybe he's
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  Speaker 7: a guy that that slides because of that.
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  Speaker 8: So that's just always so crazy to me when a
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  Speaker 8: guy like that tests like that at the combine and
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  Speaker 8: he's got a medical issue. He tested like a cyborg, Like,
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  Speaker 8: where was the medical issue a couple of months ago?
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  Speaker 8: I I just I wonder about those types of things.
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  Speaker 7: Maybe maybe somebody's getting out there because they want them
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  Speaker 7: you know, they want a lot of it.
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  Speaker 2: Sometimes isn't even like a physical thing. Well, a lot
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  Speaker 2: of it is like, oh he's got diabetes type two,
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  Speaker 2: it has to be managed, or you know something like that,
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  Speaker 2: or you know, they detected a heart heart murmur. I
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  Speaker 2: was just which isn't a big deal as long as
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  Speaker 2: you keep an eye on it. You know, little things
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  Speaker 2: like that.
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  Speaker 7: But do you think it's some of these guys, like
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  Speaker 7: they really don't get poked and prodded truly until they
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  Speaker 7: get to this process. And even their college teams maybe
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  Speaker 7: they't quite go as deep into the medicals as some
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  Speaker 7: of these NFL teams do as they're trying to figure
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  Speaker 7: out their investment.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely. No, Yeah, so.
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  Speaker 6: Something to think about.
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  Speaker 7: But I still think tackles on the board, I would
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  Speaker 7: still consider that a position to need.
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  Speaker 6: But I think now, I wait a little bit. I
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  Speaker 6: think tackles a little like whatever and talked about with
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  Speaker 6: the receivers. Yeah, like I think that you might not
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  Speaker 6: get the same value. Now, now there's the one other.
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  Speaker 8: Guy, Matthew Bergron nor Blake Freeland.
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  Speaker 2: What for a tackle.
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  Speaker 6: Guy that that's kind of inexperienced. Does he know have
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  Speaker 6: another Hawan Jones yeah, yeah, And there's a lot of
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  Speaker 6: different opinions, like really polarizing kind of yeah, like do
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  Speaker 6: you want to roll the dice on a guy? Like
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  Speaker 6: like like I'm not sure.
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  Speaker 8: A true right tackle, which I don't know, I'm not
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  Speaker 8: sure about anymore, Yeah, because I mean, who knows what
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  Speaker 8: they're planning on doing.
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  Speaker 6: I think I would rather go with a better player
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  Speaker 6: rather than like the whatever, the six or seventh.
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  Speaker 8: I Lovedwan Jones. Every time I watched him, I was like,
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  Speaker 8: where is the three hundred and eighty pounds going to
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  Speaker 8: be a deterrent on his game? Because at some point
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  Speaker 8: he's going to face one of these speed rushers in
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  Speaker 8: the NFL and he's just not going to have the
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  Speaker 8: foot speed to match it. But he uses his length
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  Speaker 8: and his hand power so well that he just grabs
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  Speaker 8: guys before they even have the chance to really get
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  Speaker 8: on the corner on him. So I loved watching him.
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  Speaker 8: He's Trent Brown. That's that's the comp I mean, it's
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  Speaker 8: as clear as day with him. So if they like
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  Speaker 8: brown skill set still and that's something that they don't want.
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  Speaker 7: To maybe that's why I'm well, And that's and that's
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  Speaker 7: what I think is the point that I'm wondering about.
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  Speaker 2: It's not his skill set, it's his attitude you're not
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  Speaker 2: crazy about.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, I think that it's hard to have like a
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  Speaker 6: great motor do you know what I mean? I think
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  Speaker 6: they kind of go hand in hand. Yeah, I'm being
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  Speaker 6: probably a little unfair, but I don't know something about.
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  Speaker 7: I would just say, what consistency due the injury to
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  Speaker 7: the effort, Like it's just he didn't know what you
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  Speaker 7: were getting last year. And I think he's had maybe
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  Speaker 7: two or three games over the course of the last
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  Speaker 7: few years that he's been here where you feel like, Wow,
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  Speaker 7: this guy's is dominant, but there just hasn't been enough.
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  Speaker 7: I just wonder what their what their philosophy is on
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  Speaker 7: the tackles positions. And we've talked about it with the
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  Speaker 7: whole you know, swapping Win and Brown last year. Do
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  Speaker 7: they you know, do they still want an athletic guy
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  Speaker 7: on the left and a big guy on the right,
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  Speaker 7: And you know, it's just I think that's what's hard
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  Speaker 7: for me is to figure out what is Adrian Clem's
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  Speaker 7: kind of philosophy of this situation, how is that going
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  Speaker 7: to feed into it? And are they gonna put Trump
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  Speaker 7: brown back on the right side. Are they, you know,
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  Speaker 7: looking for a left tackle or.
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  Speaker 6: Do they think we're just gonna keep trying on the
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  Speaker 6: left side.
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  Speaker 7: And you know, I traditionally, I think you think you'll
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  Speaker 7: figure it out on the right side, like finding the
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  Speaker 7: right tackle, the right guard. You know, if you're in
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  Speaker 7: a pinch and you had to pick a couple of
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  Speaker 7: positions to be in a pinch at those will be
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  Speaker 7: the ones I pay.
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  Speaker 2: So the pick is in for Pittsburgh. Do we have
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  Speaker 2: a tip anywhere?
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  Speaker 6: Joey Porter June they.
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  Speaker 8: Drafted drafted the Sun.
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  Speaker 6: I thought that, you know why not? Right?
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, drafted Sun. Yeah he should have gone in the
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  Speaker 8: first round.
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  Speaker 2: That's that's very Pittsburgh.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, family place.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah that they would do.
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  Speaker 6: I gotta talk to Tom about that.
• 14:32
  Speaker 2: So Joey Porter Jr. Off the board a cornerback. Uh,
• 14:36
  Speaker 2: that's good for the Patriots. So maybe you know, whoever
• 14:38
  Speaker 2: they were looking at uh yesterday is still there and
• 14:42
  Speaker 2: maybe we might see some a move to try to
• 14:45
  Speaker 2: get there. Right now, the Cardinals are on the clock
• 14:49
  Speaker 2: with the second pick, thirty third overall, and well, yeah, I.
• 14:56
  Speaker 8: Took a tackle in the first round, so I think.
• 14:59
  Speaker 6: They try to get away.
• 14:59
  Speaker 7: I mean they, I mean they should probably get the
• 15:01
  Speaker 7: tight end classes with the throw this out to use
• 15:04
  Speaker 7: two guys Mike and Evan.
• 15:06
  Speaker 6: If the Patriots were to be trading up, you know,
• 15:09
  Speaker 6: packaging some of those picks, who is the guy that
• 15:12
  Speaker 6: you would target? I think one of those tight ends,
• 15:14
  Speaker 6: those top tight ends, like I mean the tight ends.
• 15:16
  Speaker 7: I would say, yeah, Mayor Washington, I think those are
• 15:19
  Speaker 7: good picks. I mean I don't I'd probably be a
• 15:21
  Speaker 7: little bit more intrigued if they took Washington just because
• 15:23
  Speaker 7: he's a freak, and I think Mayor is we gotta
• 15:27
  Speaker 7: we got a solid player. We got a solid player.
• 15:29
  Speaker 7: He's gonna be a third tight end this year. He's
• 15:31
  Speaker 7: gonna chip in a little bit. Steelers shrunk who's smaller him?
• 15:40
  Speaker 7: Or Joe Thomas? Now like those two hold offensive linemen.
• 15:43
  Speaker 6: Now's like funny how those offensive linemen they either go
• 15:47
  Speaker 6: one of waves. They either get really thin or the
• 15:50
  Speaker 6: other way.
• 15:51
  Speaker 7: Who were we just saying and Drewsy the other night,
• 15:53
  Speaker 7: he's still pretty big?
• 15:55
  Speaker 6: Who's gonna be nice? He went the other way? I said,
• 15:58
  Speaker 6: he was still pretty big. Yeah, Copen, we saw Coping
• 16:05
  Speaker 6: Bohmer is just like he doesn't look anything like what
• 16:07
  Speaker 6: he was.
• 16:08
  Speaker 2: I would you know what, I think I'd like to
• 16:11
  Speaker 2: go front seven maybe.
• 16:12
  Speaker 7: I And that was the next point I was going
• 16:14
  Speaker 7: to say, Fred was I don't think it could roll
• 16:16
  Speaker 7: out edge still, you know, I think there's definitely some
• 16:18
  Speaker 7: edge guys till here in the second round that you
• 16:20
  Speaker 7: know is in need. I just I'd love to hit offense.
• 16:22
  Speaker 7: I'd love to get some kind of exciting piece for
• 16:24
  Speaker 7: the offense today.
• 16:25
  Speaker 2: But you're not going to get well unless you get
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: a tight end.
• 16:27
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I think that. I mean, and there are some
• 16:29
  Speaker 6: receivers then.
• 16:30
  Speaker 8: Yeah, I wouldn't sleep on Josh Downs. Yeah, Josh Downs
• 16:32
  Speaker 8: is a really productive player, really shifty player in the
• 16:36
  Speaker 8: middle of the field.
• 16:37
  Speaker 6: I think he's.
• 16:39
  Speaker 8: Ninety percent, maybe eighty five percent of what Jay Flowers
• 16:43
  Speaker 8: is as a receiver. Similar guide, not quite as explosive
• 16:47
  Speaker 8: and quick after the catch. He's not that dynamic with
• 16:50
  Speaker 8: the football like Jay Flowers is, but he gets open
• 16:53
  Speaker 8: in the middle of the field. He demands attention to
• 16:55
  Speaker 8: bracket coverages, safety staying on him. He's somebody that was
• 16:58
  Speaker 8: a really effective player for you, and see I do
• 17:01
  Speaker 8: I think he's a true Number one guy. No, but
• 17:04
  Speaker 8: he's a number one slot, you know, and I think
• 17:07
  Speaker 8: that that's something that they've always done a good job with,
• 17:10
  Speaker 8: So I wouldn't be surprised if he's the pick. If
• 17:12
  Speaker 8: Darnel Washington has medical red flags and that's that report
• 17:16
  Speaker 8: is accurate, then these tight ends get a little bit wonky.
• 17:19
  Speaker 6: You know.
• 17:19
  Speaker 8: Mayor I think is basically Hunter Henry, but can block
• 17:22
  Speaker 8: a little bit better than Hunter Henry. Can you know,
• 17:24
  Speaker 8: do you really need that, you know, do you need
• 17:26
  Speaker 8: another redundant piece like that? I think Darnel Washington's really
• 17:30
  Speaker 8: the only tight end in this group that is something different,
• 17:34
  Speaker 8: completely different than what you currently have in the room.
• 17:36
  Speaker 8: So some of these other guys in the third and
• 17:38
  Speaker 8: fourth round, like a Tucker Craft or a Schoonmaker, like
• 17:41
  Speaker 8: those are guys are the Hunter Henry's with blocking and
• 17:44
  Speaker 8: things like that.
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: If you did get a Mayor and you brought in Kasiki,
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: is Hunter Henry tradable today?
• 17:52
  Speaker 8: I just don't even know what you get for him?
• 17:54
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean for a conditional sixth Yeah, I mean,
• 17:57
  Speaker 6: I'm not making fun of Hunter, but those that's what
• 17:58
  Speaker 6: these guys are getting, Like that's no disrespect to Hunter
• 18:01
  Speaker 6: Henry he's a veteran guy who's not a star. That
• 18:05
  Speaker 6: that's what these guys are getting.
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, I don't know, like you throw him
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: in a package and you try to go after Jerry Judy,
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: you know, you give.
• 18:14
  Speaker 6: Him a like a second round pick in Hunter Henry. Yeah,
• 18:18
  Speaker 6: well yeah, so that so they're taking the second round
• 18:20
  Speaker 6: pick and they're taking Hunter Henry with them. But I
• 18:23
  Speaker 6: think that there is I think Mike Evan is right
• 18:27
  Speaker 6: about you know, this this replicated. We talked about Dalton
• 18:30
  Speaker 6: kin Kate. There was like kind of replication with Kasiki
• 18:32
  Speaker 6: for him, and you know, certainly Hunter Henry and Mayor.
• 18:37
  Speaker 6: I think both of those guys are right now one
• 18:40
  Speaker 6: year right, this is the last year for Henry's deal,
• 18:43
  Speaker 6: and Kasiki signed a one year deal. So I don't
• 18:45
  Speaker 6: have a problem with some replication. I do, like Washington,
• 18:49
  Speaker 6: I you know, talk to you guys about that podcast, right,
• 18:54
  Speaker 6: I think he could be could be something different than.
• 18:58
  Speaker 8: I think a guy like Mayor is is probably the
• 19:00
  Speaker 8: most well rounded tight end in this class, but he's
• 19:04
  Speaker 8: not a really exceptional athlete. He's kind of an average
• 19:08
  Speaker 8: NFL athlete, and for that, there's not a ton of
• 19:11
  Speaker 8: upside I don't think with a player like that, whereas
• 19:14
  Speaker 8: like a player like Washington has obviously got tremendous upside,
• 19:17
  Speaker 8: But even guys a little bit later, like a zach
• 19:19
  Speaker 8: Kunz who just destroyed the combine a couple of months ago,
• 19:22
  Speaker 8: like that guy has some athletic untapped potential that he
• 19:25
  Speaker 8: could become something really special in the league. So I
• 19:28
  Speaker 8: just wonder if that's part of the equation. You know
• 19:30
  Speaker 8: that you kind of already have the steady guys, you
• 19:33
  Speaker 8: already have the reliable guys. You need somebody that's a
• 19:35
  Speaker 8: game changer.
• 19:36
  Speaker 6: Is a trade, but it's not who we hoped for.
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a first trade. Today Titans are moving up
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: into the Cardinals second spot of the third round. So
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: is this Levis?
• 19:48
  Speaker 8: This could be Les?
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, oh boy, yeah, little boy.
• 19:52
  Speaker 6: But you know, I find interesting I would say too, though.
• 19:54
  Speaker 7: I mean, I think Evan had some good points about Mayor,
• 19:57
  Speaker 7: and part of me can't help, But wonder, like, do
• 19:59
  Speaker 7: you wait a little longer for laporta schoon maker?
• 20:02
  Speaker 6: You know? I mean, I don't know exactly how to
• 20:04
  Speaker 6: flush all those out, but there.
• 20:05
  Speaker 7: Is some intrigues still with those guys who are maybe
• 20:07
  Speaker 7: just a little bit.
• 20:08
  Speaker 8: I just think if you're counting on Hunter, Henry and
• 20:11
  Speaker 8: Gasiki for this year, those are the guys that you're
• 20:13
  Speaker 8: rolling with for the twenty twenty three. Then get a
• 20:16
  Speaker 8: developmental guy with some upside and Mayor is a guy
• 20:19
  Speaker 8: that should play right away yea, but isn't really a
• 20:22
  Speaker 8: game changer.
• 20:23
  Speaker 6: I don't think.
• 20:24
  Speaker 8: I think he's a really well rounded, solid tight end.
• 20:26
  Speaker 8: I compared him to TJ. Hockinson, which like good player,
• 20:30
  Speaker 8: but is he really an elite? You know, we got
• 20:33
  Speaker 8: to worry about TJ. Hockinson when we come into the
• 20:35
  Speaker 8: game plan meetings and things like that. So I don't
• 20:38
  Speaker 8: think I would rather take a flyer on a more
• 20:42
  Speaker 8: athletic upside type of prospect that we know we're going
• 20:45
  Speaker 8: to give him a year or two to develop behind
• 20:47
  Speaker 8: the veterans anyways, especially.
• 20:48
  Speaker 7: Where it's like you can just put him out there
• 20:50
  Speaker 7: in a package you don't really have to worry about, Hey,
• 20:52
  Speaker 7: you're gonna have to go, you know, help block on
• 20:54
  Speaker 7: the edge, Like just yeah, get him out there and
• 20:55
  Speaker 7: let him play, you know, move tight end. And there's
• 20:58
  Speaker 7: a lot of those guys that have some intrigue. I
• 21:00
  Speaker 7: think that that's a suitable kind of alternate to trying
• 21:04
  Speaker 7: to get that slot guy. You know, just somebody in
• 21:06
  Speaker 7: the middle of the field that can work for.
• 21:07
  Speaker 6: It's another one of your things where it's just if
• 21:09
  Speaker 6: Tennessee's moving up and we got to assume it's Levis,
• 21:13
  Speaker 6: that's another pick that helps the papers. I mean, I know,
• 21:16
  Speaker 6: we're still another player that the Yeah we're still third interest. Yeah,
• 21:18
  Speaker 6: we're still thirteen picks away. Yeah, so they go.
• 21:22
  Speaker 8: They traded seventy two and a twenty twenty fourth third,
• 21:25
  Speaker 8: which is basically the equivalent of a fourth this year.
• 21:28
  Speaker 8: So right now we're still in that territory where you
• 21:30
  Speaker 8: have to give up a third and the fourth to.
• 21:32
  Speaker 6: But they also got a third back. They switched spots.
• 21:35
  Speaker 8: Okay, I see, all right, so that's not that that
• 21:39
  Speaker 8: bad that now you could probably do it for those
• 21:41
  Speaker 8: two fourth round picks at this point.
• 21:43
  Speaker 6: Yeah, they swapped. It looks like they switched spots in
• 21:45
  Speaker 6: the second and third rounds and picked up a twenty twenty.
• 21:49
  Speaker 6: Surely not much at all.
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and that is it Levis.
• 21:52
  Speaker 6: I would assume I didn't. I haven't seen it. Yes
• 21:54
  Speaker 6: it is Levis, I just yeah.
• 21:56
  Speaker 7: Yes, Chefter and rapaport, will Levis Levi's is.
• 22:01
  Speaker 6: A tight ten. So some interesting things.
• 22:03
  Speaker 7: Then going on the AFC South with some new some
• 22:05
  Speaker 7: new quarterbacks down there, it'll be interesting.
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: Okay. Well, like Paul said, this is another player the
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: Patriots wouldn't be interested in. So it pushes it pushes those.
• 22:15
  Speaker 6: I don't think they would have drafted.
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: It pushes those guys down that they would be interested
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: in closer to where they're picking. So that's good.
• 22:22
  Speaker 7: I just think we're all waiting for the tight end
• 22:24
  Speaker 7: train to start, you know, like who's gonna take mayor
• 22:26
  Speaker 7: who's gonna you know, Brian Branch I just yeah, I mean,
• 22:30
  Speaker 7: I mean we're still a long way away from the Patriots.
• 22:31
  Speaker 7: It's like twelve to thirteen picks though, but like you
• 22:34
  Speaker 7: mean from a general point of view or a Patriots
• 22:36
  Speaker 7: point well, Patriots as a mccordy replacement.
• 22:38
  Speaker 6: But just as a good football player.
• 22:40
  Speaker 7: Yeah, there's no question he's a good football player. I
• 22:42
  Speaker 7: just I just think he's Dugger. I mean, I think
• 22:44
  Speaker 7: he's going to play that role, and you know, I
• 22:46
  Speaker 7: think he'd be great at it.
• 22:47
  Speaker 6: He might be better than Dugger at it.
• 22:48
  Speaker 7: Are you ready to make that that switch?
• 22:50
  Speaker 6: I don't know that's I.
• 22:52
  Speaker 8: Think he's got the instincts to play a little bit
• 22:54
  Speaker 8: more on the back end. I don't know if he's
• 22:57
  Speaker 8: a true center fielder. I don't know if he's got
• 22:58
  Speaker 8: the rain and the speed to do that. But he's
• 23:01
  Speaker 8: definitely got instincts to play a deep safety or free
• 23:04
  Speaker 8: safety a little bit. He's a really good player and
• 23:07
  Speaker 8: probably has some of the best film of any of
• 23:09
  Speaker 8: these prospects. And you know, saban Is, I'm sure raving
• 23:13
  Speaker 8: about him to teams just because you can tell how
• 23:16
  Speaker 8: much he put on him mentally, right, you know, all
• 23:19
  Speaker 8: the roles, all the different assignments and things like.
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: Say, you know, he would be a mccordy replace.
• 23:23
  Speaker 8: Yeah, I definitely think that he's one hundred and ten
• 23:25
  Speaker 8: percent of fit. And if you put him in that
• 23:28
  Speaker 8: secondary and you grew re sign Kyle Duggar and you
• 23:31
  Speaker 8: have Christian Gonzales there now and the two young Joneses,
• 23:34
  Speaker 8: I mean, that's a secondary and that's a group right there.
• 23:37
  Speaker 6: If they do that, you know, defense in general, but
• 23:40
  Speaker 6: if they did it with Branch in particular, that's kind
• 23:43
  Speaker 6: of the answer to the question that Mike Evan and
• 23:45
  Speaker 6: I were batting around during our podcast with the Draft
• 23:49
  Speaker 6: podcast about you know, what do you do to try
• 23:52
  Speaker 6: to Oh, Will Levis at Patriots training camp?
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, with a Brady jersey.
• 23:58
  Speaker 6: That's that's a cute picture. The the the whole notion
• 24:03
  Speaker 6: of you know, how do you go about trying to
• 24:05
  Speaker 6: compete in the a f C and the new supercharged
• 24:07
  Speaker 6: AFC East, but the AFC in general. And everybody's like, well,
• 24:11
  Speaker 6: you got to have some firepower to keep up, and
• 24:13
  Speaker 6: Bill says, noope, you know, we need to try to
• 24:15
  Speaker 6: figure out a way to slow him down.
• 24:17
  Speaker 7: Right, Yeah, I'm interested how they how this all AFC
• 24:19
  Speaker 7: is going to play out. Trevor Lawrence is, you know,
• 24:21
  Speaker 7: kind of established himself last year, but you have you know,
• 24:24
  Speaker 7: three three teams.
• 24:25
  Speaker 6: I don't, I don't know you.
• 24:26
  Speaker 7: I mean, do you think Levis is going to play
• 24:27
  Speaker 7: for Tennessee this year?
• 24:28
  Speaker 10: Is this?
• 24:28
  Speaker 6: I think he'll play this year? I don't think he'll probably,
• 24:31
  Speaker 6: I don't think he'll play out of the gate. Yeah
• 24:32
  Speaker 6: I think so, I mean it will be there something interesting.
• 24:35
  Speaker 7: I just I wonder who how do you feel if
• 24:37
  Speaker 7: you're Houston, Indie?
• 24:38
  Speaker 6: You know, and and uh Jacksonville. Sorry not Jacksonville the
• 24:42
  Speaker 6: other the other AFC South team. Sorry I'm getting a
• 24:44
  Speaker 6: little fright here. They don't say much of Milike Willis
• 24:47
  Speaker 6: by the way. Yeah, I mean he played last year
• 24:50
  Speaker 6: and to the point where they got like Josh Dobbs
• 24:54
  Speaker 6: off of someone's practice squad to play what in essence,
• 24:57
  Speaker 6: I'm outed to a playoff game there. He's more competitive
• 25:01
  Speaker 6: than they were with Malki. And then the Detroit Lions
• 25:05
  Speaker 6: like Sam.
• 25:08
  Speaker 8: That's my guy.
• 25:09
  Speaker 6: Yeah, so maybe that starts your your tight interest to
• 25:12
  Speaker 6: start it.
• 25:13
  Speaker 8: But Laporta over Mayor, so I was almost right. I
• 25:18
  Speaker 8: had Laporta as the second rated tight end the class.
• 25:21
  Speaker 8: I had Mayor is number one, in Kincaid is three.
• 25:23
  Speaker 8: So the league ended up seeing it as Kincaid one,
• 25:26
  Speaker 8: Laporta two. But at least these teams did based off this.
• 25:29
  Speaker 8: So it's interesting but interesting.
• 25:31
  Speaker 6: Jeffords Detroit probably their best pick so far.
• 25:33
  Speaker 7: Very weird draft, you know, yeah, But offense, I mean
• 25:36
  Speaker 7: they're trying to trying to put those pieces in place.
• 25:38
  Speaker 7: I mean, they definitely have some some weaponry that they're
• 25:40
  Speaker 7: that they're building there.
• 25:41
  Speaker 8: It seems like the Troit gives two s is about
• 25:45
  Speaker 8: positional value in the draft. They draft a running back,
• 25:48
  Speaker 8: an inside linebacker, and a tight end with their first
• 25:50
  Speaker 8: three picks. The Nerds are going crazy somewhere.
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: So now the Colts are on the board. What they say,
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: their first pick was Tony Richardson, So we'll see what.
• 26:00
  Speaker 7: Tony the old Kansas City Chiefs full back Tony richards So.
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: We'll see what they do with their second pick. Could
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: be a tight end, I mean makes it right?
• 26:11
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean it And this this could start it now.
• 26:14
  Speaker 7: I mean we've got the Colts on the clock here
• 26:16
  Speaker 7: after a Laporta went to the Lions.
• 26:17
  Speaker 6: So they have Moelie Cox. Yeah, yeah, they could go
• 26:22
  Speaker 6: with one for sure.
• 26:23
  Speaker 7: I mean another you talk about another, you know, team
• 26:25
  Speaker 7: with a rookie quarterback trying to put pieces around him,
• 26:28
  Speaker 7: trying to you know, be successful. I mean i'd consider
• 26:31
  Speaker 7: Down sir too, if I were them.
• 26:33
  Speaker 6: We have a trade. Yeah, and it's the Raiders disappointment
• 26:38
  Speaker 6: in it.
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: The Raiders have moved into the Colts spot.
• 26:42
  Speaker 6: I don't hate them, so I don't want to like
• 26:45
  Speaker 6: It's not necessarily something I'm worthy of. But I don't
• 26:48
  Speaker 6: like Josh Downs as much as you guys do. That's okay,
• 26:51
  Speaker 6: He was kind of like there's a lot of production there,
• 26:54
  Speaker 6: but not a lot of There's a lot of catches there,
• 26:56
  Speaker 6: but not as much. I don't think.
• 26:58
  Speaker 7: I think that's just about every receipt as much.
• 27:00
  Speaker 6: Yeah, you're probably right. It's just I'm probably looking at
• 27:03
  Speaker 6: it like, you know, where's the like the dynamic element,
• 27:06
  Speaker 6: and I don't really see a lot of that. That's
• 27:08
  Speaker 6: probably true. It's probably like just looking at the class
• 27:11
  Speaker 6: in general, and I'm like, yeah, he's okay, he's okay,
• 27:13
  Speaker 6: Like that.
• 27:14
  Speaker 8: Is much more crafty than he is explosive.
• 27:17
  Speaker 6: Yeah, and you know what I wrote for him was
• 27:18
  Speaker 6: that his floor is very high. Like I don't think
• 27:21
  Speaker 6: he'll be one of these guys you're like, oh my god,
• 27:23
  Speaker 6: Nikhil Harry, he can't play Like No, I think he's
• 27:26
  Speaker 6: just like kind of a quote unquote safe pick. I
• 27:28
  Speaker 6: kind of like the kid from Cincinnati, Tyler Scott. Yeah, yeah, fast,
• 27:32
  Speaker 6: like you know, kind of similar.
• 27:34
  Speaker 7: I mean, I listen, I don't know, but I mean
• 27:35
  Speaker 7: I think I hate when I get into that because
• 27:37
  Speaker 7: I'm not I don't pretend to be a scout. I
• 27:39
  Speaker 7: don't know it, but I just think all that you
• 27:42
  Speaker 7: can have, you know.
• 27:43
  Speaker 6: Like a Tyler Scott where he got a positive for
• 27:45
  Speaker 6: long speed and deep speed and maybe.
• 27:47
  Speaker 7: The ability to stretch the field a little bit from
• 27:49
  Speaker 7: the slot. But you know, size, like I mean, this
• 27:51
  Speaker 7: is all these a lot of these guys. It's a
• 27:53
  Speaker 7: size issue where they're all I.
• 27:54
  Speaker 8: Know, concerns about them developing a player like Tyler Scott,
• 27:59
  Speaker 8: because right now he is an athlete that just outruns
• 28:03
  Speaker 8: everybody on a football field. And once you get to
• 28:05
  Speaker 8: the pros, you're gonna have to learn how to set
• 28:07
  Speaker 8: guys up and how to get off press man and
• 28:10
  Speaker 8: how to you know, be a little bit more crafty
• 28:12
  Speaker 8: in your route running. And they just haven't really shown
• 28:15
  Speaker 8: very many signs of being able to develop that type
• 28:18
  Speaker 8: of player.
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: All right, the Raiders are on the clock. Good time
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: for us to take a break. We're going to do
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: that and we'll be right back after this.
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  Speaker 3: This is the twenty twenty three Patriots Unfiltered Draft Show
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  Speaker 2: All right back here and Patriots Unfiltered the Draft Extravaganza
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  Speaker 2: here until ten o'clock. And the Raiders have just chosen
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  Speaker 2: a tight end.
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  Speaker 6: Somewhere in England. Claire is having I really have a
• 30:00
  Speaker 6: heart palpitations every single time.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, I gotta I gotta Sam Laporte, and I'll probably
• 30:12
  Speaker 8: get a Michael Mayer.
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  Speaker 2: Michael Michael Mayer is the pick for the Raiders. A
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: good pick. I think they get themselves a good player.
• 30:19
  Speaker 6: Solid.
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  Speaker 7: If it feels like a Josh move, you know, I
• 30:22
  Speaker 7: mean it's it's he's a good He's a good player.
• 30:24
  Speaker 6: Mark Andrews, I don't like that. Com He's not that good.
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah really.
• 30:29
  Speaker 6: T J.
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  Speaker 8: Hockinson can block, can move around a little bit, good receiver,
• 30:35
  Speaker 8: I've also another comp I really liked for him was
• 30:37
  Speaker 8: Hunter Henry, but a better inline blocker. That that's a
• 30:41
  Speaker 8: I think from a receiving perspective, really similar movement. It's
• 30:46
  Speaker 8: not like a burner, not somebody that just pops off
• 30:49
  Speaker 8: like the film at you that is this dynamic athlete,
• 30:52
  Speaker 8: but somebody that can get open, is crafty, good hands.
• 30:55
  Speaker 7: Like they have to know that their tight ends couldn't
• 30:58
  Speaker 7: block last year, right Like It's just like it was
• 31:00
  Speaker 7: such a struggle even to me to watch them, you know,
• 31:03
  Speaker 7: try to try to do that. I thought they improved.
• 31:05
  Speaker 7: I mean, but even they talked about, you know, it
• 31:07
  Speaker 7: was just a challenge.
• 31:09
  Speaker 6: And I hate saying, like.
• 31:10
  Speaker 7: Man, I just wish they had that third blocking tight end,
• 31:12
  Speaker 7: like that would be the difference.
• 31:14
  Speaker 6: But it's just such a glaring kind of.
• 31:15
  Speaker 7: A you know what we need right here here, We
• 31:20
  Speaker 7: need a blocking tight end.
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  Speaker 6: We needlock the draft. But it's such like a role
• 31:24
  Speaker 6: that I would feel like that they as football guys,
• 31:27
  Speaker 6: would see as important and just you know, and not
• 31:30
  Speaker 6: having to use a third tackle somebody at least who
• 31:32
  Speaker 6: can have a little bit of a threat at least
• 31:34
  Speaker 6: to go out in pass.
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  Speaker 2: You know, our next make They didn't have a pick
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  Speaker 2: in the first round, right, they did.
• 31:41
  Speaker 6: Not, so they don't believe. Don't believe the ROMs.
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  Speaker 2: The Rams are up.
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  Speaker 8: The Rams have taken a kind of tippet.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 8: Steve Avila, the guard from TCU, good, good, solid player.
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I like.
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  Speaker 6: I like how it's going for the Pats though.
• 31:57
  Speaker 8: I love that the Rams have no picks and then
• 31:59
  Speaker 8: they're taking guards with their with their only pick.
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  Speaker 6: Well, they wanted cold strange last year, Evan, and they
• 32:04
  Speaker 6: didn't get them. I finally got it because their guy.
• 32:07
  Speaker 8: God, thank god, we are ever moved from that.
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  Speaker 6: Right right, I was just gonna say yeah with a
• 32:16
  Speaker 6: Super Bowl title and that was not strange. Now they
• 32:21
  Speaker 6: have Steve Wieler on their roster.
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  Speaker 2: Good for them, I got all right, So that hasn't
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: been announced yet. But after that is the Seahawks, who
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: were very active in the first round.
• 32:33
  Speaker 6: Fly Seahawks, I got. I gotta have to consult the
• 32:37
  Speaker 6: board here because I'm starting to run out of like,
• 32:39
  Speaker 6: off the top of my head, who's available. I need
• 32:41
  Speaker 6: to That's why I made to run down some of
• 32:43
  Speaker 6: the top the top hundred.
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  Speaker 2: Brian Branch, we talked about them. You like Drew Sanders,
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: linebacker out of Arkansas.
• 32:51
  Speaker 6: I do like him, but I wouldn't pick them.
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  Speaker 2: How about Luke Muskgrave.
• 32:55
  Speaker 6: Evan doesn't like them. I kind of like yeah, Mike,
• 32:57
  Speaker 6: and I like him a little bit. Evan does not
• 32:59
  Speaker 6: want one trick pone.
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  Speaker 2: We talked about Darnell Washington. You guys like him. How
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: about Jaylen Hyatt, the wide receiver.
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  Speaker 6: Evan hates the big guy Evan. Evan hates Hi almost
• 33:09
  Speaker 6: as much as he.
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  Speaker 8: Hates wouldn't touch him with a ten foot poles.
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  Speaker 2: This next guy is the guy that I I might
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  Speaker 2: be interested in taking bj edge guy out of l
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  Speaker 2: s U.
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  Speaker 8: Talk about a guy with some hands man, That guy's
• 33:25
  Speaker 8: got them cornerback.
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  Speaker 2: They probably won't take Kali Ringo out of Georgia.
• 33:31
  Speaker 6: Now corners are off.
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  Speaker 2: Uh, there's a guard Osyrus Torrance.
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  Speaker 6: He's good. He's one of the higher guys I have.
• 33:39
  Speaker 8: He's one of their guys to like, one of those
• 33:42
  Speaker 8: power right guard, gigantic human beings.
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  Speaker 2: Another front seven guy, Trent and Simpson out of Clemson
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  Speaker 2: Nope linebacker.
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  Speaker 8: Week side linebacker.
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  Speaker 2: In A four three, we talked about Josh Downs out
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  Speaker 2: of North Carolina. People like him. Uh DJ Turner another
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: cornerback out of Michigan, Fast Joe Tipman Center out of Wisconsin.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, just getting up.
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  Speaker 8: There, Timmans kind of their type. He's that, you know,
• 34:08
  Speaker 8: he's a Wisconsin tough type of guy.
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  Speaker 6: That's the guy I brought up and I couldn't remember.
• 34:11
  Speaker 6: I told you I couldn't remember his name. But the
• 34:13
  Speaker 6: Wisconsin guy that he don't trust the center, now that
• 34:16
  Speaker 6: would kill Everyone's.
• 34:18
  Speaker 8: About Cody Mouk, guard out of so Cody Mock is
• 34:22
  Speaker 8: my favorite player in the draft.
• 34:24
  Speaker 6: But why because he loves He's just a He's just
• 34:27
  Speaker 6: a road grader.
• 34:28
  Speaker 8: That guy just eats nails, you know. Just his teeth
• 34:31
  Speaker 8: looks like he looks like he's missing some teeth. He
• 34:35
  Speaker 8: just you watch him on film and he's just putting
• 34:37
  Speaker 8: people in the ground constantly.
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: I love wrong with that.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, but he's a guard on.
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: White Georgia Tech.
• 34:43
  Speaker 6: That's That's something on the list.
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: How about Tyler Scott wide receiver.
• 34:49
  Speaker 6: That's guy we just talked about a little bit. He
• 34:51
  Speaker 6: scares me. I like him a little bit.
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  Speaker 2: We're out of it. We're not going to be taking
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: Hendon Hooker.
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  Speaker 7: Why do you just dismiss these things. And I'm being
• 34:59
  Speaker 7: dead serious.
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: Because I just don't think that's my opinion. I don't
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: think they're not Yeah, they're not going to take it.
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: It's you know, we have opinions.
• 35:06
  Speaker 6: Stamp by it. Yeah, there's the receiver.
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: This guy has to take one.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, and that's really that's a good one. I mean,
• 35:14
  Speaker 6: those are the guys Bio and and the Beast over there,
• 35:19
  Speaker 6: because Dan Bruger actually broke a little bit of news
• 35:21
  Speaker 6: in the Beast and said that Bill O'Brien and Nick
• 35:24
  Speaker 6: Saban tried to recruit Tucker Craft to Alabama with a
• 35:28
  Speaker 6: lucrative nil deal.
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: Steve, Well, we knew that. How about I'm gonna skip
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: over the corner back matth. We talked about it tonight.
• 35:43
  Speaker 6: I know, I'm sorry, Sport. I can't believe playing that's
• 35:48
  Speaker 6: the Syracuse.
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: Yes about Gervon Dexter Senior tackles.
• 35:54
  Speaker 8: Explosive interior defensive lineman. Yeah, he's he's got a really
• 35:59
  Speaker 8: good get off, a really good explosiveness into the gap.
• 36:02
  Speaker 8: Maybe would remind Patriots fans too much of Dominique Easley, though.
• 36:05
  Speaker 6: So does he have a funny walking stride like Paulin.
• 36:09
  Speaker 8: Now he doesn't have the injury concerned as easily does.
• 36:11
  Speaker 8: But it's Florida. It's an a tier lineman.
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: There's another line defensive lineman, Keno Benton.
• 36:17
  Speaker 8: Yeah, he's a fun player. It's a game wrecker on
• 36:21
  Speaker 8: the inside. But I think he's a little bit I
• 36:23
  Speaker 8: don't know, maybe maybe he's more like Christian Barmore insurance,
• 36:26
  Speaker 8: but they're kind of similar players a couple more.
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: We don't want to bore people, but Cedric Tillman to
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: you like him.
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  Speaker 6: A little bit like him.
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  Speaker 7: He was fighting fighting injuries last year, I think in
• 36:38
  Speaker 7: an ankle injury, so I think that kind of limited
• 36:40
  Speaker 7: him as his earlier his first year whatever it was,
• 36:42
  Speaker 7: his junior year two years ago. I think he was better.
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  Speaker 6: I liked him better than Hyatt to be honest.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, he whooped uh Killy Ringos, but that game last year, so.
• 36:51
  Speaker 6: He is better than Hyatt, Like he was their guy
• 36:54
  Speaker 6: going there, and then he dealt with a bunch of
• 36:56
  Speaker 6: injuries during the course of the year, and then Hyatt
• 36:58
  Speaker 6: had all the touchdowns a good kind of blew up.
• 37:00
  Speaker 6: But but Tilden was the guy heading into the year
• 37:03
  Speaker 6: that was the premiere.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm just gonna skip down here the.
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  Speaker 6: Trade, Falcons on the clock. Okay, well, Seahawks picked by
• 37:10
  Speaker 6: the way and edge guy Derek Okay, that's yeah. I
• 37:17
  Speaker 6: liked him too. I liked him. That would have that
• 37:22
  Speaker 6: would have been one that I would Patriots trade up.
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  Speaker 6: I can see that kind.
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: Of I'll do one more. Marvin Mims.
• 37:29
  Speaker 8: Yes, I love Marvin Mims. Marvin Mims should have won
• 37:34
  Speaker 8: the bulletant cough. But Jalen Hyatt did one chick pony?
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: Did you say that the Falcons had a trade?
• 37:44
  Speaker 6: Falcons have traded up now and they're on the clock. Okay,
• 37:47
  Speaker 6: it sounds like they're coming faster, faster than I like it.
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  Speaker 6: Minutes right, yeah, I like it.
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  Speaker 2: We're on the seventh pick of the second round already, correct,
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: So the Falcons around the cross.
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  Speaker 8: So the Patriots Brunes eight teams away now, right, If
• 38:02
  Speaker 8: the Falcons are on the clock at thirty eight, this
• 38:05
  Speaker 8: is about where if you package two fourth round picks
• 38:08
  Speaker 8: you would get up to this pick. So if they're
• 38:10
  Speaker 8: trying to trade up for anybody at this point, this
• 38:12
  Speaker 8: is the Christian Barmore trade. Right, here's the time forty
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  Speaker 8: six to thirty eight for two fourth rounders.
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  Speaker 7: I gotta be honest, though, I'm having a real hard
• 38:19
  Speaker 7: time saying I think they should go up and get certain.
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  Speaker 6: That's why I actually got about a half hour ago.
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  Speaker 6: Who you'd target? Yeah, And I'm not sure that to them.
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  Speaker 6: I'm not sure I have a name of anybody who
• 38:32
  Speaker 6: I would target. And I don't want to just trade
• 38:34
  Speaker 6: for the sake of trading. Yeah, I mean, other than
• 38:36
  Speaker 6: from my convenience. It's that weird. It feels stupid to
• 38:39
  Speaker 6: me right now. I feel like, definitely, if we finish
• 38:41
  Speaker 6: this night with a second round pick and the third
• 38:44
  Speaker 6: round pick and we have to come tomorrow, it's like
• 38:46
  Speaker 6: for nine picks nine times if they go chime tonight,
• 38:51
  Speaker 6: I don't know what that means knowing Yeah, he's just
• 38:56
  Speaker 6: leading you down the primros.
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  Speaker 2: So of all the plays that I just mentioned, is
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: there anyone that you'd move up for?
• 39:03
  Speaker 6: I mean not really.
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  Speaker 8: The way then is shaking up if I just don't
• 39:07
  Speaker 8: even know if the positions of need that they need to,
• 39:09
  Speaker 8: you know, I mean, Derek Hall just went so I
• 39:11
  Speaker 8: guess maybe there could be a slight run of edge
• 39:14
  Speaker 8: rushers right now. I guess we can see what Atlanta does.
• 39:17
  Speaker 8: But I'm not the biggest Keyon White fan. But I
• 39:20
  Speaker 8: know that there was some first round buzz for ke
• 39:22
  Speaker 8: On White. Maybe he's a player that they that they
• 39:24
  Speaker 8: would like, kind of a tweeter inside, you know, a
• 39:27
  Speaker 8: defensive and outside linebacker, play at his hand in the dirt,
• 39:31
  Speaker 8: can stand up, can do a little bit of everything.
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: That's just hard.
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  Speaker 6: Is your kid worth moving up for? I mean they're
• 39:38
  Speaker 6: probably about where he's gonna go. Yeah, yeah, I think.
• 39:41
  Speaker 7: I mean, like I said, I just I'm having trouble
• 39:44
  Speaker 7: really saying I wish they would trade up for this guy.
• 39:46
  Speaker 7: I feel like right now I would just kind of
• 39:48
  Speaker 7: wait and see because I'd probably be happy with a.
• 39:50
  Speaker 6: Lot of those things the same they kind of are.
• 39:54
  Speaker 6: So the Pro Football Talk tweet that I mentioned before
• 39:57
  Speaker 6: the start of the second round, Titans, Falcons, and Raiders,
• 39:59
  Speaker 6: all that's really sure. They all made trades yea in
• 40:03
  Speaker 6: the second round. Yep, yep, they weren't lying.
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: So the Falcons pick is in. While we're waiting for that,
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: why don't we go to the phones. We have some
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: listeners hanging on there. Let's go to We'll start with
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: Patty and Agawam.
• 40:17
  Speaker 13: What's up Patty, Good evening, gentlemen, how are you all right?
• 40:21
  Speaker 6: Evening?
• 40:23
  Speaker 13: So the guy I want to trade up for, and
• 40:25
  Speaker 13: I'll tell you what, Carolina might be the perfect candidate
• 40:28
  Speaker 13: to trade up with, because they don't have that many picks,
• 40:31
  Speaker 13: Darnel Washington. I sent it on Catch twenty two today,
• 40:34
  Speaker 13: and I think I started a new draft tradition last night, guys,
• 40:37
  Speaker 13: which is stay sober. No, obviously you like the patriotsmer
• 40:43
  Speaker 13: that I passed out like between pikes, I think picks
• 40:47
  Speaker 13: eight and nine.
• 40:48
  Speaker 6: Third, third, different person that's informed me that they did
• 40:50
  Speaker 6: not make it to the Patriots pick sorry ten It
• 40:54
  Speaker 6: was like ten tennis, and.
• 40:56
  Speaker 14: They did great.
• 40:56
  Speaker 13: And I think I'm going to do that every year
• 40:58
  Speaker 13: now and hopefully they you know, from here on out,
• 41:00
  Speaker 13: they make.
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  Speaker 7: Thanks Pat, Yeah, Paul, I'm gonna give you credit, Paul
• 41:08
  Speaker 7: for highlighted there good.
• 41:10
  Speaker 6: First of all, I wouldn't I wouldn't give I wouldn't
• 41:13
  Speaker 6: give me credit for it. I was asking if you
• 41:15
  Speaker 6: guys thought he was worth moving up for, like I
• 41:17
  Speaker 6: guess he. I guess he was because he would you
• 41:19
  Speaker 6: would have had to.
• 41:21
  Speaker 8: An He measured in a lot bigger than I was expecting.
• 41:26
  Speaker 8: So I actually think he is somebody that can play tackle.
• 41:28
  Speaker 8: He's got almost thirty four inch arms. He's six foot five.
• 41:32
  Speaker 8: He looked like a guard to me watching him, but
• 41:34
  Speaker 8: I think his size actually suggested that he could maybe
• 41:37
  Speaker 8: stick a tackle. Really physical run blocker.
• 41:39
  Speaker 6: Kind of new to the sport a little bit, is he?
• 41:41
  Speaker 6: I mean from Canada?
• 41:41
  Speaker 8: I think, right, Yeah, maybe he's a He's a really
• 41:45
  Speaker 8: really physical, tough, dependable, smart like he checks so many
• 41:51
  Speaker 8: of the Patriots boxes. So maybe they're thinking tackle more
• 41:54
  Speaker 8: in those middle rounds. That third and fourth round might
• 41:57
  Speaker 8: be their their tackle.
• 41:58
  Speaker 7: We got fisticuffs going on in the Carolina on the clock.
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: Let's go to Eldred in North Carolina. What's up Eldred?
• 42:06
  Speaker 5: Hey, so let's tell y'all doing today.
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: Okay, good, pretty good?
• 42:11
  Speaker 5: Shoot U scenario edge, even though I like receivers, I
• 42:15
  Speaker 5: don't see one in it. I would even down to
• 42:17
  Speaker 5: a Mingo or Kielman. What about another corner either cam
• 42:21
  Speaker 5: Smith or Ringo.
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: I'm outside to double dip like that. It would people think,
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: why would they do that? I wouldn't rule it out.
• 42:30
  Speaker 6: I would rather have Branch stay in the second day. Yeah,
• 42:35
  Speaker 6: he moved my needle a little more. At least it's
• 42:37
  Speaker 6: something different. You keep your needle, work your light.
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: If your lighthouse get bigger.
• 42:43
  Speaker 7: With this draft, my lighthouse just keeps getting bigger.
• 42:45
  Speaker 6: I don't know. Yeah, Branch, at least he's not a
• 42:49
  Speaker 6: corner to me.
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: Go ahead Ald safety, Yeah he's safety.
• 42:54
  Speaker 5: But Ringo or Camsmith because I'm thinking man corners on
• 42:58
  Speaker 5: the outside. Do you got Jonathan Jones and Marcus Jones,
• 43:03
  Speaker 5: Jack Jones and Bryant and uh bils just don't do it.
• 43:07
  Speaker 5: But I'm sorry, just you know, yeah, start with some
• 43:11
  Speaker 5: height feet you know you can need to be in
• 43:13
  Speaker 5: that defense.
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: No, listen, Branch would make sense, you would make sense.
• 43:17
  Speaker 8: Branch would make sense. Another outside corner. I I just
• 43:20
  Speaker 8: can't stomach that. I mean, if you want to do that,
• 43:23
  Speaker 8: if you want to do that in like the fourth
• 43:25
  Speaker 8: round and and maybe just double dipped ahead your bets
• 43:28
  Speaker 8: on on Christian Gonzales and fine, but this offense needs
• 43:31
  Speaker 8: some help, Like you gotta get some tackles. You got
• 43:34
  Speaker 8: to get a pass catcher.
• 43:35
  Speaker 6: I think where's your boy mok scheduled together?
• 43:40
  Speaker 8: I would say somewhere in the middle of today. Yeah,
• 43:42
  Speaker 8: I think this is a little early for him, but
• 43:44
  Speaker 8: I give it another.
• 43:46
  Speaker 6: He's tight and if he's there, then you haven't.
• 43:49
  Speaker 8: Yeah, he's a guard, though he's really a guard, like
• 43:51
  Speaker 8: he's built like a guard. He plays like a guard,
• 43:54
  Speaker 8: he's not. He's not like Burger On where you can
• 43:56
  Speaker 8: maybe play him at tackle.
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: Let's go to Carolina's Mario Mingo Mario.
• 44:02
  Speaker 14: And what's going on?
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: Guy?
• 44:05
  Speaker 14: Hey, still pinching myself from Kristen Gonzales. Never thought it
• 44:09
  Speaker 14: was gonna happen in my wildest dream man way. What
• 44:12
  Speaker 14: do you guys think about Darnelle Washington and with their
• 44:17
  Speaker 14: pick coming up, than trading a couple of their fourth
• 44:20
  Speaker 14: round picks and a pick from next year to move
• 44:22
  Speaker 14: up for Josh Down.
• 44:24
  Speaker 6: I mean, at this point, I don't know if you've
• 44:26
  Speaker 6: really got to move up.
• 44:27
  Speaker 8: I mean it's yeah, well I think he's talking about
• 44:29
  Speaker 8: moving up from seventy six.
• 44:30
  Speaker 6: Oh oh at him?
• 44:31
  Speaker 8: Yeah you get both guys, sure, sure?
• 44:33
  Speaker 7: I mean I also think there are you know, at
• 44:35
  Speaker 7: this point, there's guys that aren't too far below Downs,
• 44:37
  Speaker 7: but I just think where they are right now, it's
• 44:40
  Speaker 7: hard to get past Washington.
• 44:42
  Speaker 6: I don't know if they would like Washington, but I
• 44:44
  Speaker 6: think that.
• 44:45
  Speaker 7: He's a player that just is so unique and would
• 44:47
  Speaker 7: just instantly provide a buzz. I don't know if it's
• 44:49
  Speaker 7: a buzz of high level offensive performance. It might just
• 44:53
  Speaker 7: be kind of more of a third tight end role
• 44:55
  Speaker 7: player who can kind of chip in from time to
• 44:57
  Speaker 7: time with huge side on the inside.
• 44:59
  Speaker 6: That you know that they could have sploit. But yep, yeah, it's.
• 45:01
  Speaker 8: Uh he's I love Darnel Washington, the idea of Darnell Washington,
• 45:06
  Speaker 8: but I do think he gets misunderstood a little bit.
• 45:09
  Speaker 8: He's he's a project like that is not a ready
• 45:11
  Speaker 8: made tight and he had forty five career catches at Georgia.
• 45:14
  Speaker 6: That's it.
• 45:14
  Speaker 8: You know, He's not somebody that's going to come in
• 45:16
  Speaker 8: as a polished receiver. This is he's going to take
• 45:19
  Speaker 8: some time to develop.
• 45:20
  Speaker 6: But you're banking on a projection as a receiver. I totally.
• 45:23
  Speaker 8: But to your point, Mike, He's would be their best
• 45:25
  Speaker 8: inline blocker at the position day one. So if you
• 45:28
  Speaker 8: want to put him on the field on first down,
• 45:29
  Speaker 8: if you want to put him on the field in
• 45:31
  Speaker 8: short yardage and have him run block, he's going to
• 45:34
  Speaker 8: be better at that than the two guys they have
• 45:36
  Speaker 8: on the roster. So he can do that as rookie season.
• 45:38
  Speaker 8: But if you're expecting him to come in and add
• 45:40
  Speaker 8: fifty catches to this offense, that's not happening.
• 45:42
  Speaker 6: I agree. But but here's the thing that is intriguing
• 45:45
  Speaker 6: about him to me is when you think of a
• 45:47
  Speaker 6: guy with that kind of skill set that Evan's talking about,
• 45:50
  Speaker 6: that extra tight end that you rarely throw the ball to,
• 45:52
  Speaker 6: and maybe when you do, it's like, you know, one
• 45:54
  Speaker 6: of those fourth in inches and you you leave him
• 45:57
  Speaker 6: out and he gets the first down. This is an
• 45:59
  Speaker 6: athletic beast in the open field. Yes, if so, maybe
• 46:02
  Speaker 6: he doesn't catch fifty ball, but maybe he catches twenty
• 46:05
  Speaker 6: and averages like seventeen yards to catch on those on
• 46:08
  Speaker 6: those twenties. I mean, that's what he did at Georgia.
• 46:10
  Speaker 6: You know, he's average kind of athleticism I think he has,
• 46:13
  Speaker 6: and then maybe he grows into a bigger role as
• 46:15
  Speaker 6: a receiver.
• 46:16
  Speaker 8: At Georgia, I think he was at eighteen yards per
• 46:18
  Speaker 8: catch because every time you catch.
• 46:20
  Speaker 6: The ball, who's tackling? He tried tackles the guy who's
• 46:22
  Speaker 6: like six ' eight, right, yeahah, six seven?
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: How was he in the red zone like in you know,
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: in the end zone.
• 46:28
  Speaker 6: Well, I mean Evan said, how many passes did he catch?
• 46:30
  Speaker 6: I mean it's it's you know.
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: How many of them were touchdowns? How many touchdowns?
• 46:34
  Speaker 6: Not very many?
• 46:35
  Speaker 8: Yeah, but he's somebody that has great body control and
• 46:38
  Speaker 8: great size, so he can can toward his body and
• 46:41
  Speaker 8: you know, catch back shoulders, catch passes that are outside
• 46:44
  Speaker 8: of his frame and and make those types of catches.
• 46:47
  Speaker 8: So I think he could definitely be a red zone player.
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: Thanks Mario, Panthers selecting wide receiver.
• 46:58
  Speaker 8: Okay, I was a fan of Mingos. I thought that
• 47:02
  Speaker 8: he had probably the best upside out of any of
• 47:05
  Speaker 8: the receivers that were going to go on Day two.
• 47:08
  Speaker 8: Reminds me a lot from a just an athletic profile
• 47:11
  Speaker 8: standpoint of AJ Brown. You know, six foot two, two
• 47:14
  Speaker 8: hundred and twenty pounds, four four six in the forty
• 47:17
  Speaker 8: he can run. Yeah, he's explosive player. I would have
• 47:20
  Speaker 8: liked to have seen him in New England, and they
• 47:22
  Speaker 8: got pretty close. I mean thirty nine and they're getting there.
• 47:25
  Speaker 6: I liked him a little bit more than the guys
• 47:27
  Speaker 6: we were talking about earlier.
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: Let's go to Willem and philhim. What's up, William, what's
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: going on how are you doing good?
• 47:35
  Speaker 9: I tried to call in yesterday.
• 47:37
  Speaker 15: I had a hangout dose.
• 47:38
  Speaker 9: That's my apology on that.
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: No problem, just thank you.
• 47:43
  Speaker 9: Just a two questions, but just one thing I wanted
• 47:45
  Speaker 9: to say about the pig yesterday. Thank you, Jill, you
• 47:48
  Speaker 9: family made take your things happy that I'm a fan
• 47:52
  Speaker 9: of Christian Gunzalas Morgan Beast. Yes, we needed someone tall,
• 47:58
  Speaker 9: someone blew it know, someone that can move and everything.
• 48:01
  Speaker 15: And I love to pick. I have no problem with it,
• 48:05
  Speaker 15: love it. So my well, my favorite receiver just went
• 48:10
  Speaker 15: off the board, Jonathan Mingo, So that had it done.
• 48:12
  Speaker 15: So I don't want Marvin Mills.
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: I don't want him, Okay, why yeah, why not? Why not?
• 48:20
  Speaker 6: Opinion?
• 48:20
  Speaker 14: Sure you got you got nothing.
• 48:23
  Speaker 8: He's five eleven, he's not short.
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, five eleven is fine.
• 48:27
  Speaker 8: Josh Downs is short. He's five five seven, five foot eight.
• 48:31
  Speaker 8: Marvin Mims, I think it's like five ten, five eleven.
• 48:33
  Speaker 6: It's not.
• 48:34
  Speaker 8: He's not a tall guy. Like I'm not going to
• 48:35
  Speaker 8: say he's he's not six or four. But I wouldn't
• 48:38
  Speaker 8: call him short.
• 48:39
  Speaker 16: So you win trade so you still won't want You
• 48:42
  Speaker 16: wouldn't want Jerry Judy over Marvion Mills.
• 48:44
  Speaker 8: Well, I mean, I don't think that that's the question.
• 48:47
  Speaker 8: I don't think that that's the my options.
• 48:52
  Speaker 9: Okay, okay, all.
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: Right, thanks William, Thanks thanks for listening. Melvin and tennessee
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: what's up?
• 49:00
  Speaker 17: We could cut what's going on? Hey, Hey, I just
• 49:05
  Speaker 17: wanted to get in real quick and say that, like
• 49:08
  Speaker 17: I guess this makes obviously obviously just makes sense. But
• 49:12
  Speaker 17: it's just what's what's going on in the division and
• 49:15
  Speaker 17: the struggles we've had being able to, you know, stop
• 49:19
  Speaker 17: people throwing the ball. I love the fact that we
• 49:22
  Speaker 17: got a corner somebody that can help stop that, and
• 49:26
  Speaker 17: you know, just it's still just gonna be such a
• 49:28
  Speaker 17: struggle in the division because like you all kind of
• 49:31
  Speaker 17: talked about that, you should probably have probably the fourth
• 49:34
  Speaker 17: best quarterback probably in his division now. And I've been
• 49:38
  Speaker 17: trying to look to get you know, two games truly
• 49:41
  Speaker 17: better not worse. So havn't you know, havn't the kind
• 49:45
  Speaker 17: of counter stopping people like Aaron Rodgers and to who
• 49:49
  Speaker 17: used to have and beat really so just all those
• 49:51
  Speaker 17: little things factors going into it. It's gonna be It's
• 49:54
  Speaker 17: good to get that pick. I would love to match
• 49:56
  Speaker 17: that up with probably like a young guy off the
• 49:59
  Speaker 17: edge that we can depend down just to slow things
• 50:03
  Speaker 17: downs where that would be a great pair to get
• 50:05
  Speaker 17: a young corner that can play and somebody out the ash.
• 50:07
  Speaker 17: That's kind of helped to break up some passes too.
• 50:10
  Speaker 17: And I think it's good. You're just moving in the
• 50:12
  Speaker 17: right direction.
• 50:13
  Speaker 14: Yeah, we can pair that up.
• 50:14
  Speaker 17: What's going to point then we'll actually.
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: Be actually make a run up, all right, thanks Melvin.
• 50:21
  Speaker 6: Yeah, so Isaiah Fosky went to the Saints. I liked
• 50:25
  Speaker 6: him too, good player.
• 50:26
  Speaker 8: I wonder if Keon White's their guy. Of course I
• 50:29
  Speaker 8: didn't have him on the big board.
• 50:30
  Speaker 6: Because I had it.
• 50:31
  Speaker 8: I just liked other guys a little bit better. I
• 50:33
  Speaker 8: don't know, I just he's a strong guy.
• 50:35
  Speaker 14: Uh.
• 50:36
  Speaker 8: He's kind of like a round two Lucas van Ness,
• 50:38
  Speaker 8: you know type of player. Can play inside, can play outside.
• 50:41
  Speaker 8: But he just every time I watched him, it just
• 50:44
  Speaker 8: wasn't I was just missing something Like it just wasn't
• 50:47
  Speaker 8: that it was not impressive. You know, It's like, okay, fine,
• 50:50
  Speaker 8: he can play the spot. He's going to hold his
• 50:51
  Speaker 8: ground and he's not going to be a liability. But
• 50:54
  Speaker 8: it's not a difference maker.
• 50:56
  Speaker 7: He was one that I think I initially kind of
• 50:58
  Speaker 7: passed over, and then somebody who I respect, I forget
• 51:00
  Speaker 7: who said oh, he's a great Patriots fit, and then
• 51:03
  Speaker 7: I was like, and I went back and I still
• 51:05
  Speaker 7: kind of like I guess, but I kind of felt
• 51:08
  Speaker 7: similar to you, Like I could see why they might
• 51:11
  Speaker 7: like him and how he might fit. But again, I
• 51:13
  Speaker 7: think that fits more to like just the liquid nature
• 51:17
  Speaker 7: of their edge play and whether it's hand down, stand
• 51:20
  Speaker 7: up guys, you know, six foot four, two fifty. Like,
• 51:23
  Speaker 7: I'm just I don't know exactly what they want anymore schematically,
• 51:26
  Speaker 7: and they kind of hide behind that we're a game
• 51:28
  Speaker 7: plan defense, so we can kind of plug whoever we want,
• 51:30
  Speaker 7: and we can take a Joshu Jay and you know,
• 51:32
  Speaker 7: make him, you know whatever, It is a forty percent player,
• 51:35
  Speaker 7: and you know, we still has a significant role.
• 51:37
  Speaker 6: So it's u I'm not sure if they were gonna
• 51:40
  Speaker 6: go edge early.
• 51:40
  Speaker 8: I just wanted someone that's just a little bit more flashy,
• 51:44
  Speaker 8: just someone that makes a little bit more splash, like
• 51:46
  Speaker 8: a three down guy.
• 51:47
  Speaker 6: Yeah, and like you, I'll give you a little of
• 51:49
  Speaker 6: everything and has some strength.
• 51:50
  Speaker 8: And I'm already mad about something they haven't done yet.
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: So let's go to Daryl in Virginia. What's up Daryl?
• 52:00
  Speaker 6: Hey?
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: All right?
• 52:04
  Speaker 18: Pretty good.
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: So I'm really excited to love the Chrystal Gonzalez pet.
• 52:08
  Speaker 17: I wanted to kind of get I've.
• 52:10
  Speaker 19: Been stompeds on Garrett Williams later.
• 52:13
  Speaker 9: On in the draft and possibly some other options that
• 52:17
  Speaker 9: I want to receive.
• 52:17
  Speaker 14: We're not a mingos off.
• 52:18
  Speaker 8: The board, Yeah, Gary, Garret Williams is another one of
• 52:22
  Speaker 8: those guys that's just he's fine, Like he's not He's
• 52:26
  Speaker 8: not gonna get totally torch. He's not gonna be a liability,
• 52:30
  Speaker 8: but he's not a difference maker. I just I don't know,
• 52:33
  Speaker 8: I thought in this cornerback class, I just feel like
• 52:36
  Speaker 8: there's quite a few more guys than him that have
• 52:40
  Speaker 8: a little bit more upside. Now he had the injury,
• 52:43
  Speaker 8: so maybe it's somebody that you stash more more than anything.
• 52:48
  Speaker 6: But I don't know. I didn't love him.
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: All right. Let's go to Brendan and Pennsylvania. Brendan, Hey,
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: how's it going.
• 52:58
  Speaker 20: Uh?
• 52:58
  Speaker 5: Long time list there for time caller.
• 53:00
  Speaker 21: So I just want to say hello, everybody watching Tom
• 53:04
  Speaker 21: Brady for twenty years. We always said interior pressure. Is
• 53:08
  Speaker 21: we to get to him. Who's left in the draft
• 53:11
  Speaker 21: tonight that you guys can see interior defensive linemen that
• 53:15
  Speaker 21: can help get after the quarterback.
• 53:18
  Speaker 8: Well, there's a couple of guys that are really intriguing.
• 53:20
  Speaker 8: I mean, the one name that I think is the
• 53:22
  Speaker 8: best out of the bunch is Keanu Benton from Wisconsin,
• 53:25
  Speaker 8: who just is an absolute game wrecker. Not necessarily someone
• 53:29
  Speaker 8: that's gonna have ten sacks in the season, but you're
• 53:31
  Speaker 8: gonna just see play to play that he's going to
• 53:34
  Speaker 8: be in the backfield, he's going to be pushing people,
• 53:36
  Speaker 8: he's going to be causing problems up front. I really
• 53:39
  Speaker 8: enjoyed watching him play.
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: Would he compliment bar More?
• 53:45
  Speaker 8: I think you could. But they're they're basically the same guy.
• 53:47
  Speaker 8: They're an explosive, long, big interior guys that can get
• 53:53
  Speaker 8: off the ball and shoot gaps and make plays behind
• 53:56
  Speaker 8: the line of scrimmage. I don't think that either one
• 53:57
  Speaker 8: of them is a guy that you are going to
• 53:59
  Speaker 8: have hold the fort in the middle of the line.
• 54:01
  Speaker 8: They're both guys that want to get up the field.
• 54:03
  Speaker 7: And that's another great question because I think that there's
• 54:05
  Speaker 7: a lot of the big hold the fort kind of
• 54:07
  Speaker 7: guys later in the draft too.
• 54:09
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 54:09
  Speaker 7: I mean, look, I'm not going to try to pump
• 54:11
  Speaker 7: up and tell you that daniel Aqualay is anything special,
• 54:13
  Speaker 7: but I mean these are kind of bit roles, and
• 54:16
  Speaker 7: I mean I think we're all hoping that Barmore gets
• 54:18
  Speaker 7: back into what you know he did as a rookie
• 54:21
  Speaker 7: and get back into that kind of production. Sorry on
• 54:25
  Speaker 7: the power play, but I think that's bert. It's just
• 54:29
  Speaker 7: all part of how fluid the Patriots lineup is and
• 54:32
  Speaker 7: you just never know quite what they're looking for. I
• 54:34
  Speaker 7: just I think for me, a slam dunk is to
• 54:36
  Speaker 7: get one of these big fatties tomorrow, probably to you know,
• 54:40
  Speaker 7: to groom behind Lawrence, Guy Devon Gotschaw, these older guys,
• 54:43
  Speaker 7: Carl Davis. I mean, you could draft one of these
• 54:45
  Speaker 7: guys tomorrow. I think they could come in and compete
• 54:47
  Speaker 7: with Carl Davis tomorrow. I don't know if they're gonna
• 54:48
  Speaker 7: beat him out, but you know, I think you need
• 54:50
  Speaker 7: to be a little bit proactive on the defensive line
• 54:52
  Speaker 7: because that group is getting old. We've seen them in
• 54:54
  Speaker 7: some big games that they haven't quite been able to
• 54:56
  Speaker 7: deliver like they have against you know, some of the
• 54:58
  Speaker 7: lesser teams, So that that's another spot I think they
• 55:01
  Speaker 7: need to continue to build.
• 55:02
  Speaker 8: Yeah, there's one guy that is in that vein that's
• 55:05
  Speaker 8: gonna probably go tonight, and that's Sakka from Baylor, who
• 55:09
  Speaker 8: is I think he reminds me mostly of Danny Shelton,
• 55:12
  Speaker 8: like he's that kind of player.
• 55:14
  Speaker 6: But I don't know Ben.
• 55:15
  Speaker 8: I really like Ben Dexter. I think is a good
• 55:18
  Speaker 8: player too. When he's on his motor is a little inconsistent,
• 55:21
  Speaker 8: but when he's plugged in, he's a really disruptive guy.
• 55:24
  Speaker 8: But I'm with Mike. I think that most of those
• 55:26
  Speaker 8: guys you wait for it tomorrow.
• 55:27
  Speaker 6: Your boy just went Cardinals.
• 55:31
  Speaker 8: Bjali's got like seventeen different pass rush moves. That guy
• 55:35
  Speaker 8: was really fun to win.
• 55:35
  Speaker 6: It looks like Luke Musgrave to the Packers. That makes sense.
• 55:41
  Speaker 6: They they were poking around tight ends. Yeah, interesting, interesting,
• 55:46
  Speaker 6: Well I think that might you know, we might work.
• 55:48
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 55:49
  Speaker 7: I think they'll continue to get some of these tight
• 55:51
  Speaker 7: ends off the board. But you know, I think you're
• 55:52
  Speaker 7: getting into that lower level now. Guys like Craft, who
• 55:55
  Speaker 7: you know, was an FCS guy, and you know, maybe
• 55:57
  Speaker 7: gonna need a little bit more time Musgrave had injur reissues.
• 56:00
  Speaker 7: But I mean, what what, I got enamored with him
• 56:03
  Speaker 7: just watching him at Senior Bowl practices. I just thought
• 56:05
  Speaker 7: he is an an elite athlete. I don't know if
• 56:08
  Speaker 7: he's going to ever be a blocker, but in today's NFL,
• 56:11
  Speaker 7: who cares if he can be, you know, a matchup
• 56:13
  Speaker 7: weapon piece, and hey, we're not going to ask you
• 56:15
  Speaker 7: to block, but he could be.
• 56:16
  Speaker 6: He could be a real good target for Jordan Love
• 56:18
  Speaker 6: up there.
• 56:19
  Speaker 8: He's a one trick pony. He can run the seam
• 56:21
  Speaker 8: and run and that's all he can do. He doesn't
• 56:23
  Speaker 8: break rouds, he doesn't block. He's Mike a sickie, which
• 56:27
  Speaker 8: is fine, I guess at this point of the draft.
• 56:31
  Speaker 6: Drafted right, Yeah, what's up, Ben?
• 56:34
  Speaker 14: Hey, how's it going? Uh?
• 56:36
  Speaker 19: You know, I love to pick of Christian for Gonzalez
• 56:38
  Speaker 19: because the value was just incredible. But don't the Patriots
• 56:41
  Speaker 19: need to invest in some offensive help for Max because
• 56:44
  Speaker 19: I feel like there's so much doubt well macare after
• 56:47
  Speaker 19: last year, and there's certainly excuses for why things didn't
• 56:50
  Speaker 19: go well, but something has to invest in offense so
• 56:52
  Speaker 19: that you know, we can see whether or not. You know,
• 56:55
  Speaker 19: Mac is the guy moving forward.
• 56:57
  Speaker 2: I mean specifically you're you're talking about wide receiver, right, because.
• 57:01
  Speaker 7: You know, I think anything really I mean, yeah, and
• 57:03
  Speaker 7: I mean I even say, I know it's not a weapon,
• 57:05
  Speaker 7: but tackle, I mean, I agree, I agree. I just
• 57:08
  Speaker 7: think that the way things went in the middle of
• 57:10
  Speaker 7: the first round last night, there just wasn't that player there. Now,
• 57:13
  Speaker 7: if this was a class in twenty nineteen, twenty twenty,
• 57:15
  Speaker 7: those like loaded receiver classes where there were five guys
• 57:18
  Speaker 7: or whatever going in the first round, then I think
• 57:20
  Speaker 7: they absolutely would have been all over that. But given
• 57:22
  Speaker 7: how the board played out, I think cornerback, as much
• 57:25
  Speaker 7: as you know, we all know the offense was bad
• 57:28
  Speaker 7: last year, I think we can't discount Bill O'Brien and
• 57:31
  Speaker 7: you can't discount.
• 57:31
  Speaker 6: The need for that top cornerback.
• 57:33
  Speaker 7: And I think that's you know why everybody is high
• 57:35
  Speaker 7: on Gonzalez, even though it came at the expense.
• 57:36
  Speaker 6: Of Yeah, and the other thing is you can't expend,
• 57:38
  Speaker 6: you can't force it. And I agree, I think that
• 57:41
  Speaker 6: they need to get probably a higher level of talent
• 57:44
  Speaker 6: around the quarterback. But that doesn't mean I just think
• 57:49
  Speaker 6: for this you got to take a wide receiver. I
• 57:50
  Speaker 6: think if if you have guys that you think makes sense.
• 57:53
  Speaker 6: And that's why I think what you guys were talking about,
• 57:55
  Speaker 6: Evan and Mike early when we came on tonight about
• 57:58
  Speaker 6: tight end, I think makes more sense. Now some tight
• 58:02
  Speaker 6: ends have gotten taken. So maybe you don't have the
• 58:05
  Speaker 6: same kind of value there, and maybe you do. Pick
• 58:08
  Speaker 6: you're a boy from North Carolina, yep. I understand that
• 58:12
  Speaker 6: the mindset of someone who says, you know, we need
• 58:15
  Speaker 6: to help Mac a little bit, we need to get
• 58:16
  Speaker 6: something more around him. I understand that completely. I just
• 58:20
  Speaker 6: don't think that you do it just for the sake.
• 58:22
  Speaker 6: You're doing it well right.
• 58:24
  Speaker 8: That's why I said the other day, you got to
• 58:25
  Speaker 8: put a name to the claim, because at this point
• 58:28
  Speaker 8: the receivers are really starting to be stretched pretty thin.
• 58:32
  Speaker 8: I mean, I like Marvin Mims, maybe more than other people.
• 58:35
  Speaker 8: Josh Downs, I like him too, But it seems to
• 58:38
  Speaker 8: me like a guy like Downs is falling because of
• 58:40
  Speaker 8: his size, and he might be teams might have him
• 58:44
  Speaker 8: way different than what the media has. And that's sort
• 58:47
  Speaker 8: of the sense I'm starting to get, is that the
• 58:49
  Speaker 8: media thought this guy's a top fifty player but because
• 58:51
  Speaker 8: he's only five foot seven, one hundred and seventy pounds,
• 58:54
  Speaker 8: the league is very really viewing him as a more
• 58:57
  Speaker 8: mid round guy, So he might be around for a
• 58:59
  Speaker 8: little bit if he does and go here soon.
• 59:00
  Speaker 2: So green Bay takes Musgrave, the Jets are on the
• 59:05
  Speaker 2: clock following green Bay. Then it's green Bay again. No,
• 59:10
  Speaker 2: then it's the Colts, green Bay and the Patriots. So
• 59:13
  Speaker 2: we're getting up there.
• 59:14
  Speaker 8: If the Patriots really want one of these tight ends,
• 59:17
  Speaker 8: they they really need to start thinking about just taking
• 59:19
  Speaker 8: the guy here at forty six, because you got Darnel Washington,
• 59:23
  Speaker 8: you got Tucker Craft, and then you have Coons and
• 59:26
  Speaker 8: schoon Maker left and those guys I think are going
• 59:28
  Speaker 8: to be more like third or fourth round players. Once
• 59:32
  Speaker 8: you get rid of those four guys, you are jumping.
• 59:35
  Speaker 8: You're falling off a cliff here. So if you want
• 59:38
  Speaker 8: one of these tight ends, you better take one.
• 59:39
  Speaker 6: What's up with Brian Branch anybody? We have his combine?
• 59:43
  Speaker 8: His combine was pretty pedestrian, and you know he's got
• 59:46
  Speaker 8: a great film. But what you like a four to
• 59:48
  Speaker 8: six or mid four fives, high four to five something
• 59:51
  Speaker 8: like that.
• 59:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, just a little programming note. In a
• 59:55
  Speaker 2: few seconds, we're gonna have to switch to audio, and
• 59:59
  Speaker 2: when we we'll catch up with Christian Gonzales, who stopped
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 2: into the studio. So let's do that. I think we're
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 2: going to audio now. So while we wait for the
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  Speaker 2: Patriots pick, why don't we listen to what Christian Gonzales
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 2: had to say earlier today in the studio. All right,
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  Speaker 2: we're joined now on Patriots Unfiltered Draft Show by Christian Gonzales,
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  Speaker 2: the Patriots' first round pick. And I got to tell you,
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 2: we put in a lot of work to the draft.
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  Speaker 2: When we heard your name, we were all like hallelujah,
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  Speaker 2: because usually the guys that we want don't get picked,
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 2: but you were the consensus guy that everybody wanted. So
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  Speaker 2: congratulations from being a Patriot.
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  Speaker 10: Yeah, I appreciate it. It means a lot.
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So, have you had a chance to breathe yet?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I know you got on a plane first
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 2: thing this morning, went out here. What do you think
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 2: so far?
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  Speaker 22: It's amazing. I can already just feel the atmosphere just
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 22: being around. The coach is super excited to learn and
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  Speaker 22: just come in and work.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, I mean that's what we hear about you.
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  Speaker 2: You're a head down, just work coach pleaser. Where do
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 2: you get that from?
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  Speaker 22: Just kind of just raised that way with my sisters.
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  Speaker 22: You know, I took the way of being I was
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 22: the baby for ten years until my younger sister was born,
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  Speaker 22: and just always watching my two older sisters. Kind of
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 22: just had to keep my head down.
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  Speaker 2: That's a lot of pressure when you're the boy two
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 2: older sisters who are good athletes.
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  Speaker 6: You got to keep up, right, for sure.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, when did you finally turn the tide with your
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 7: older sisters, like playing sports, the backyard, that kind of stuff.
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  Speaker 22: I mean, it was a competitive with them, growing very
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 22: competitive to the smallest things of playing cards. We competed
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  Speaker 22: everything we did. But really I probably started beating them
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 22: in races and stuff when I was ninth tenth grade.
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  Speaker 22: So so yeah, okay, I.
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  Speaker 6: Wanted to ask you a little bit. I know, Evan's
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 6: probably going to have some real film breakdown. Evan's our
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 6: resident football jumping, So we'll leave the football stuff to Evan.
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 6: But I wanted to ask you about I'm just watching
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 6: some of the highlights as the draft just getting ready
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 6: to get under way tonight. Just what the atmosphere was
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 6: like in Kansas City for you. You know, we got
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 6: to see you get out there and you had your
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 6: custom suit and you know seeing you know, Commissioner A. Goodell.
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  Speaker 6: Just what was the atmosphere overall like last night?
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  Speaker 22: Oh, it was amazing. It was a dream come true
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 22: kind of flew by, you know, just sitting in the
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 22: green room with a lot of people I know too,
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 22: my family and then all the other prospects. Being able
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 22: to just you know, we worked so hard for that
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 22: moment and being able to go in there and just
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 22: enjoy it with our families meant everything to me.
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  Speaker 8: And we were just talking to the assistant coaches and
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 8: Coach Mayo told us that he came out to Oregon
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 8: to talk to you and meet with you before the draft.
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 8: What was that meeting like And did you have an
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 8: inkling at all after that meeting that the Patriots might
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 8: be called.
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  Speaker 22: Oh, it was a great meeting. You know, we sat
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 22: down talkball, Jimmy's stuff. But you know, I didn't really
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 22: think anything of it, of oh I was gonna end
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 22: up here. Kind of just went along with the process.
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  Speaker 8: And at Oregon you played in the coverage system that's
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 8: pretty complex, you know, in college sometimes teams just sit
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 8: in one type of coverage, but you guys really spun
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 8: the dial on quarterbacks. I know coach Loupoid was at
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 8: Alabama and you know Patriots connection to Alabama. What was
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 8: that system like and how multiple was it? You know,
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 8: in terms of your mental side of.
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 10: Things, Yeah, it was a lot.
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  Speaker 22: But I think that was great to be able to
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  Speaker 22: play in that and just learn it was. It's gonna
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 22: give me a good transition to the league. You know,
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 22: There's still so much more to learn that I'm super
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 22: excited to learn. But I'm glad I played in that system.
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 2: But yeah, you played a lot of positions growing up
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 2: in football, and then you know you've settled on cornerback
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 2: once you did that, once you said okay, I'm a cornerback.
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 2: Was there a guy you know in the NFL that
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 2: you kind of fashioned yourself after, you know, former player,
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 2: a current player that you said, yeah, I want to
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 2: be like that.
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  Speaker 10: Guy when I started playing really for real.
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 22: It was Pastor Tan, big, tall, kind of corner you know,
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 22: I'm kind of around the same size. He's a big technician,
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 22: elite technician. So someone I could try to play like
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 22: seeing someone move at this size, being fluid, kind.
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 10: Of just what I try to model my game after.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely.
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  Speaker 6: I wanted to ask you a little bit about that
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 6: speed that you have, and obviously you've been pretty versatile
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 6: in that secondary or for Oregon, but if you have
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 6: any return experience, I figured with that kind of speed
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 6: and athleticism that you'd be a natural with the ball
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 6: in your hands if you had any opportunities to do that,
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 6: something the coaches keep you away from because they're trying
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 6: to make.
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  Speaker 22: Sure they protect you. I mean I did in high
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 22: school and kind of wanted to in college. Never really did.
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  Speaker 10: I would in practice, but never really never did in
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 10: the game, but I definitely.
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  Speaker 6: Got I'll let you in on something. I heard your
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 6: position coach talking about it on the radio today and
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 6: he said it was intentional. He wanted to make sure
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 6: he was a little selfish and made sure it kept
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 6: you away from that. He knew you had that ability.
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 6: He did that.
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  Speaker 2: It's a little old school, but look up on YouTube
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  Speaker 2: Mike Haynes highlights from back in the day Hall of
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  Speaker 2: Famer going to do my homework, Okay, pe trade.
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  Speaker 8: Hall of Famer return skills though one play. I wanted
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 8: to ask you about it is again call Colorado last
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 8: year and you're playing zone. I think I think it
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 8: was cover six, I'm not sure if it was Cover six,
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 8: and it's a post wheel and you kind of carried
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 8: the post and then came off the post and jumped
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 8: the wheel route. And when I saw that play, I
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 8: was like, this guy's pretty good, right, you can do that?
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 8: And then yeah, that return ability down the sideline. Just
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 8: walk me through that play. What was that play alive
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 8: from your perspective.
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  Speaker 22: Yeah, they actually hit us earlier on the same exact
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 22: play early in the game, and I knew the play
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 22: was coming again. That was their go to when they
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 22: got in a little nasty bunch. So I told my
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 22: we were actually in the cover three. I told my
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 22: nickel and my safety. I told my safety hold the
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 22: post because I'm a jump the corner, knews coming, and
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  Speaker 22: I just trusted my instincts.
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  Speaker 6: So yeah, yeah, a little extra sweet that it was
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 6: against Colorado.
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  Speaker 14: It was.
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  Speaker 10: It was a little it was cool to have two
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 10: picks that game.
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 6: Speaking of that, you know you.
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  Speaker 2: Took advantage of the portal. How grateful are you to
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 2: have that ability to have made that move.
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 22: I'm very grateful because that was My whole thing is
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 22: I wanted to play with Demetris Martin. Yeah, committed to him.
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 22: He told me he was gonna get me in and
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 22: out in three years. So that's what I You know,
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 22: I'm loyal to my coach, and that's that's what's super
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 22: intriguing about being here, is is Hall of Fame coaches.
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 22: So I'm just excited to be in that, in this
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 22: opportunity to work with them.
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  Speaker 2: I can tell you, if you love football, this is
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 2: the place for this is the place. Well, any any
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 2: other questions, I know you've got a lot of other
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 2: things to do.
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  Speaker 6: You're now the best athlete in the family. I know
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 6: that they talk to you a little bit.
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 10: My little sister said she.
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  Speaker 2: But I just picture though, like we all like played,
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 2: you know, one on one basketball with our dads in
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 2: the driveway. I could just picture your dad just swamming
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 2: away balls. Did you ever do that with it?
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  Speaker 6: Oh?
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we got and he didn't take it easy, just
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 2: like bang try again, kid, All right, Well, congratulations again
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  Speaker 2: and welcome. You know, I know there's a lot to learn.
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  Speaker 2: Uh So you've got a lot ahead of you, but
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  Speaker 2: it's really exciting and you know you should be proud
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 2: of yourself that you kept this far. Okay, all right,
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  Speaker 2: All right back here and Patriot's Unfiltered. The pick is
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  Speaker 2: in for Detroit. Who is who made a trade to
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  Speaker 2: get to the fourteenth spot? And the Patriots will be
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  Speaker 2: on the clock as soon as this pick is announced.
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  Speaker 2: They're actually probably on the clock right now. Do we
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  Speaker 2: know who Detroit took? Check?
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  Speaker 6: Think Brian Branch? Yes, bro, really Brian Branch?
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  Speaker 5: Wow?
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 7: Yeah, that's uh, you gotta one. He gotta wonder if
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 7: they thought, I mean, he's definitely a.
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 2: Patriots kind of guy, so they jumped over. The Patriots
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 2: thought to get this guy. Probably, I mean, maybe we
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 2: were interested in Brian Branch.
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 7: I mean, I like Brian Branch, but I just I
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 7: thought he was redundant. But I couldn't ignore him. I
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 7: kept him on the board just because I thought he's
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 7: just one of their guys. He plays there way, he
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 7: went to Alabama. There's too many boxes being checked. So
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 7: I think I understand, uh, what they're what they were thinking. Uh,
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 7: And it looks like and it looks like it's out
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 7: there right now what the Patriots have done.
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 2: But don't you think that they jumped over the Patriots
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 2: to get the guy that they think the Patriots might
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 2: have been interested in?
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I think definitely.
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  Speaker 8: And I don't think thet no the Patriots turned in
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 8: the car that they of the guy that they picked
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 8: awfully fast.
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  Speaker 6: Okay, So I think the Patriots maybe that's so. Yeah.
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 7: Connor Hughes, who's a reporter, he's saying, the Patriots have
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 7: selected key On White, who.
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 6: Was we just talked about a little bit.
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 7: He's a defensive end edge front seven, big guy, not
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 7: a lot of I mean, he's kind of a little
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 7: bit of a project. I think we just say, I mean,
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 7: he's a kind of a developmental guy, a little bit rough,
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 7: but has all the all the kind of size and
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 7: all that for for.
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 6: An edge player in this in this system.
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 8: I don't know if he's a raw he just he
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 8: doesn't have a lot of juice to me as in
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 8: terms of first step explosiveness. He's not somebody that's gonna
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 8: get off the ball before everybody else and and be
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 8: that type of guy that's gonna get into the backfield immediately.
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 8: But he's got great versatility. He can play inside outside
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 8: hand in the dirt, stand up a two hundred and
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 8: eighty five pounds, so he's gonna have that power to
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 8: set the edge that they like. He's a he's a
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 8: bowling ball. He's somebody that's got good length, good power,
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 8: a good hand placement, and can really push the pocket
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 8: and move blockers in the run game. So he's just
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 8: their type of guy. I think the one thing that
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 8: I questioned about it just to Tad is he's somebody
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 8: that I think is a little bit of a tweeter,
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 8: and I think he's a little bit too big and
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 8: too you know, heavy footed to truly play with his feet,
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 8: you know, in a two point stance on his feet,
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 8: but he doesn't really have that first step explosiveness to
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 8: really get into the teeth of the offense.
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 2: He's play can play against the run.
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 8: Yes, that that's I would say probably his best trait
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 8: is his versatility and his ability to play the because that's.
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 2: Something they kind of need, right because buche doesn't really
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 2: do that.
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 8: Yeah, I just don't know. I don't know if he's
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 8: going to be in a two point stance.
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 6: I think that we might be.
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 8: The further he gets, yeah, the further he gets out,
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 8: the more problems that he seems to have because he's
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 8: not athletic enough to play in space. So if you
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 8: put him in like a read option like forget, like
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 8: the guys are going to run right around him.
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 2: So I'm going back to the three to four.
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 6: He's kind of a three four end. Yeah, yeah, No,
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 6: your mic is not on Paul Matt Can you now
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 6: is that better?
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 6: I've seen some things that he can move inside, maybe
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 6: in collapse the pocket from the inside on on third downs.
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 6: I mean it's funny, like you look at the profile.
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 6: He started his career as a tight end. Yeah, to
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 6: the Detroit Lions.
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  Speaker 25: NFL Draft, the Detroit Lions Select.
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  Speaker 8: I know there's some people with Keon White that feel
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 8: like he's gonna be a better three technique. So somebody
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 8: that's gonna line up in the B gap and shoot
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 8: the B gap and and play in that vein, then
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 8: he's gonna be an outside guy. So I'm interested to
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 8: see how they're gonna use him. Honestly, I think that
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 8: they they grabbed him here because he was the most
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 8: most talented guy on the board. I hate to use
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 8: that cliche, but I think that, yeah, I think that
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 8: he you know, he was in the green room like
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 8: they thought he was gonna he might go to last night.
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 8: So I think they they looked at him as the
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 8: guy that was one of the more talented guys on
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 8: the board. I just preferred some of the edge guys
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 8: that were a little bit more in that mold, that
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 8: that could get after the passer and it could bend
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 8: the corner and things like that. But I think a
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 8: lot of those guys went in the last ten picks
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 8: or so.
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 7: I mean, I I see him as Deetrich Wise's role,
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 7: which is, you know, he played right defensive ends, he
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 7: stands up occasionally, he can reduce inside on passing downs.
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 7: I mean this is of course, if if it works out,
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 7: you know, just to reiterate the point you know I've
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 7: made recently, just they don't have a lot of edge
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 7: player right now.
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 6: I mean after judea On.
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 7: It's a pretty quick drop off you know of guys
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 7: who aren't pass rushers and unless you you know, are
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 7: ready to invest in infony, Jennings being you know, one
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 7: of your top guys, I think they needed to add
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 7: to the depth.
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 2: I had a feel and they were gonna go front seven.
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 6: I mean it's I think edge was a and I
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 6: know a lot of people didn't agree with it, but
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 6: I think we all felt that was a need. Yeah,
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 6: you know, it wasn't like banging the door we have
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 6: to have we can't get out of this truck. But
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 6: I think it was as at least as big a
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 6: need as wide receiver. Yeah. I just say, I think
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 6: that's again, Judon goes down. What do you got.
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 7: I mean, it's just this just a quick drop off,
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 7: and you're asking who Jay to play outside of what
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 7: he's good at. I don't know if Jennings has any
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 7: pass rush juice at all. I mean, I think he
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 7: can stop the run a little bit as a stand
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 7: up outside linebacker, So we'll see. I mean, I think
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 7: trick wise had a good season last year, but you know,
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 7: I think they need to continue to get those guys.
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 7: Those are bills kind of guys that I'm sure you
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 7: know there are probably a handful of people that are,
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 7: you know, upset that the offense is kind of getting
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 7: ignored to this point, but it is easy.
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 6: To see what the need is and what they could
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 6: potentially see him doing here. I got a bit.
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  Speaker 8: I don't love the pick. I don't love the pick.
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 8: I I'm not crazy about the player. I just don't
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 8: necessarily see the flash or the playmaking ability. If you
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 8: were going to take an edge, I was fine with that,
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 8: but it had to be a guy that was going
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 8: to impact the game. I think Kean White is going
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 8: to come in and just be a solid in whatever
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 8: role did they use him in. But I'm not sure
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 8: he's going to be a game changer for them upfront.
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 8: And if you're going to take an edge with one
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 8: of these picks over offense, like he kind of needed
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 8: it to be somebody that was going to make a
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 8: difference eventually.
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 6: Maybe he does.
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 8: I could be wrong on it, but he was pretty
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 8: he was where they picked him in terms of the
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 8: run of edge defenders that went here. You know, I
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 8: think I had him right in this range, like.
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 6: The player, you know, I think that's the question, and
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 6: you feel that. I don't hate it.
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 2: I just don't know exactly where some people thought he
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 2: would go. Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely, So that as of
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 2: this moment, is the only picked that the Patriots have
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 2: in the second round? Correct, They've got a third rounder
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 2: coming up, so I guess there's still hope that they
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 2: could package that third rounder where the fourth may and
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 2: move into the second. Uh, you know, back into the second.
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 2: But right now a little bit of a wait. Yeah,
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 2: it could be a little bit of a wait for us.
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 2: We'll be here until ten o'clock taking your calls and emails.
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 2: And I know I haven't gotten to any emails yet,
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 2: so why don't we do that? Have plenty to choose from,
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 2: that's for sure. Let's see where would we go? Joe says,
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 2: Evan is doing a great job. He seems to be
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 2: on another level of expertise. One tiny critique. His nonsense
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 2: could use a little work. This is too little, too professional.
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 2: Can we fight about tides or something? Come on, Paul.
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 2: Wasn't it great how Bill just knew we could trade
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 2: down and still get his guy.
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 6: I'm not interested in fighting because I.
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 2: Like that, but but you know, I kind of I
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 2: kind of smirked though. And you know the trade was
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 2: made and they took Branch, and you said, well, they
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 2: they knew who they wanted because the Patriots got their
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 2: pick in right away. Sometimes teams do that just to
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 2: have people think that, oh, that wasn't the guy we want.
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 6: Especially might carry themselves as being maybe a little bit
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 6: more cerebrals.
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 8: Well, I'll say this, I that emailer is one hundred
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 8: and ten percent right that I need to lighten up
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 8: a little bit sometimes. All right, I'm not one for jokes.
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 6: I'm not a good time.
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 2: Well listen, if you want to see the lighter side
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 2: of Evans, go to Patriots TikTok Kevin talk. Oh Sebastian
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 2: Volmer on stage, Well, wow, why.
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 6: Will play a game in Germany this year? So I
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 6: wanted to give a.
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 25: Spot US in Germany and everywhere else in the world,
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 25: but without but the select.
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 8: Des I'm glad he said defensive end because I think
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 8: he's truly a defensive end.
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 6: She's he looks.
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 8: I really don't think he's an edge guy. I think
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 8: he's that it's hard to eighty five poss.
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 6: I'm happy he didn't look fair he was.
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 2: He wasn't too happy.
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 7: I think he was shaking his head like I gotta
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 7: go play for him.
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 6: See that was a weird reaction. Does that do it
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 6: for what was the emailer? Does that work?
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 2: What was that?
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 6: Did you see his reaccurity? I didn't. That was watching
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 6: over face and he was shaking his head like no,
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 6: I don't. I mean if they were patting him on
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 6: the back like they were consoling him. Oh no, I
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 6: got I gotta go look at that replay, like I mean,
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 6: just reading his profile, you think you would be a
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 6: little bit more dynamic, you know, a tight end. Who actually,
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 6: I mean, I know it was that old dominion, but
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 6: he played and caught passes as a freshman in back
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 6: in like twenty eighteen, and you know he's he's got
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 6: the size of the profile, but then you know he
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 6: doesn't twive pounds. I mean, I think that your description,
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 6: Mike of Dietrich Wise makes sense to me in my mind.
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 6: I'm like two hundred and eighty five pounds. That's a
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 6: big that's a big guy. To call an edge. I
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 6: agree with you guys saying it's more of a like
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 6: a pure defensive end than like a dynamic edge. But
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 6: it doesn't.
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 7: I mean, it seems like you've seen Dietrich Wise stand
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 7: up every now and then, but it's not like part
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 7: of the you know, it's just like time to time thing.
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 7: So I mean, that's probably what it is. But I
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 7: feel like he's he's a hand down front guy.
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 6: That's that's what he's gonna be as big boyd hit
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 6: a whit.
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 2: But I was before we got interrupted there, I was
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 2: gonna say, if you want to see the lighter side
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 2: of Evan, go to Patriots.
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 6: Go to TikTok. That's where that's where he unleashes his fun.
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 2: John and Maynard Mass, I've been listening to your podcast
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 2: for the last month, and I love the draft research.
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 2: We need an outside wide receiver. I was looking forward
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 2: to trading up to the end of the first round
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 2: to draft Flowers or to the beginning of the second
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 2: round to draft Mingo. Seems like a missed opportunity to
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 2: at least take a shot on an offensive weapon to
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 2: scare a defense. We have no weapons to scare a defense.
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 2: Well maybe next year. Ps we need to trade up
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 2: though we have too many picks.
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 6: It's a good email.
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 10: I agree tomorrow.
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 8: Look, I understand that you know we were just talking
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 8: about you can't force it, and I think there's pretty
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 8: clearly something up with Darnel Washington that is pushing him
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 8: down the board, and maybe that's that's why he's not
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 8: an option here. But I think at some point I
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 8: don't want to reach by a full round or two
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 8: on a receiver, but you're gonna have to take a
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 8: receiver of some ilk, whether it's a tight end or
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 8: it's a wide receiver tonight or I can understand fans frustration.
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 8: I mean, he took two defensive players, Christian Gonzalez hit
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 8: it out of the park, Keon White, Luke Warmon. I
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 8: think he's somebody that's gonna have to wait and see.
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 8: Let's prove it to me.
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 6: I don't know.
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 8: I'm just not a I don't love this pick. I
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 8: don't love the position. I don't love the player. If
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 8: they had got and somebody that I.
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 6: Thought would be a double digit sack guy, I would
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 6: be I'd be thrilled about it. But I just don't.
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 6: I don't get it.
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 8: I you know, why, why another one of these types
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 8: of guys that's kind of where are you gonna play him?
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 8: What's his position, what's what's his standout trades? Probably power,
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 8: I guess, you know, in length, But is that really
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 8: what you need right now?
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 6: To move the needle? It feels like one of those
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 6: types of picks. To me, I wonder what is?
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 14: What is?
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 2: Oh, Mike and Evan are needed in ksph.
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 6: Oh okay, let me let me go take care of
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 6: this because I think we're just gonna do yeah one.
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 2: Okay, okay, h Deuce is gonna do some video obligations.
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 2: Let's see. Sam writes in I like the Gonzales pick,
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 2: and obviously there's great value there. But are there any
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 2: concerns with his tackling ability Christian Gonzales.
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 6: I know that there is some talk about that that
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 6: he's he could be a little undisciplined as tackler. I
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 6: listened to, you know, his position coach, and I know,
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 6: you know, every year we do these, we talk to
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 6: position coaches, and really I can count on one hand
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 6: the amount of negatives that have ever been spoken about
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 6: the players that these guys coach. But he talked about
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 6: that being something that he has really improved on and
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 6: used to be he was very focused on form tackles
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 6: and being perfect with his technique as opposed to just
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 6: getting the guy on the ground. And now he's a
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 6: little bit more, a little bit more results oriented rather
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 6: than technique oriented, and that's not as big of an
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 6: issue for him. Now we'll see when he starts playing,
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 6: but that I have read that as a potential negative
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 6: on him in some of these recaps. But listening to
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 6: Demetrius More I think is his name, his positional coach
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 6: at Oregon didn't seem to think it was that big
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 6: of an issue.
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 8: No, I don't think that Christian Gonzales has any sort
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 8: of want to issue or effort issue when it comes
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 8: to tackling. You need to improve his technique. Last year
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 8: he only missed three tackles at Oregon. He missed eight
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 8: the year before, but he seemed to clean it up
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 8: pretty nicely last year with Oregon. So I think that's
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 8: a little bit of an overblown thing. I look at
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 8: there's some things to this game that he needs development.
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 8: We mentioned his age, you know, he's he's a younger player,
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 8: and he's not he's not a finished product just yet.
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 8: But I don't really see anything on his film that
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 8: screams fatal flaw, like this guy's not gonna make it
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 8: in the pros. There, not going to be a good
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 8: player because of reason X, and certainly not tackling. I mean,
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 8: I look, I I I feel like tackling with corners
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 8: is to begin with is a little bit of something
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 8: that we're stressing over that I totally agrees if you
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 8: were drafting, if you were drafting a corner to tackle,
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 8: then you should have just drafted a linebacker as far
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 8: as I'm concerned.
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 2: Uh, do we mentioned that Washington took Drtavius Martin and
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 2: Tampa Bay took your guy Cody mout Ah.
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 8: Martin was one of was one of my guys to
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 8: a versatile defensive back and play the nickel, can play safety.
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 8: I thought he would be an interesting player for them
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 8: in that Devin mccordy role.
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 2: Okay, so the Steelers around the clock. Let's get back
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 2: to the phones. We've got Tom in New Jersey. What's
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 2: up Tom?
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 5: Tom?
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 2: Hello?
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 14: Hello?
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 2: Yes, Tom, go ahead?
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 4: Hey, how are you guys? First time called it, A
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 4: long time listener, really enjoyed the show. I just wanted
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 4: to kind of get you guys with my hot take
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 4: on the whole Patricia thing from last year. I think
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 4: Belichick really wanted O'Brien last year, but that out of
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 4: respect for Saban and maybe O'Brien didn't want to come
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 4: right away, he kind of just used Patricia's like a stopgap,
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 4: and because rather than him hire somebody else, if they
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 4: did well, how could you really fire him at the
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 4: end of the year. So I think kind of the
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 4: pickle along for him. But you know, he just kind
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 4: of didn't want to put anyone in that spot because
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 4: you know, ultimately he wanted Billy O'Brien to come, and
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 4: the everything on the cake was that he didn't have
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 4: to pay him either.
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but I also think I think there's credence to
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 2: that he wanted O'Brien couldn't you know, couldn't get him
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 2: right away. But I do think that he thought the
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 2: Patricia put the Patricia thing was gonna work, you know,
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 2: and if it had worked, Bill O'Brien wouldn't be here now.
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 2: So I think once he decided that he was gonna
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 2: go with Patricia, I do think he thought it was
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 2: gonna work.
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 9: It.
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 2: You know, he didn't look at it as just a
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 2: one year thing, and as we obviously know, nothing works.
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 2: So but I do think that I think had he
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 2: had his choice last year, he would have brought an O'Brien.
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 2: I agree with that, gotcha.
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 4: And then if I can asked one question, just I
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 4: was kind of hoping to see Branch fall to us.
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 4: You know, we got swooped in by the Lions. If
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 4: I've been still there kind of like, what do you
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 4: think we should go for? You know we're gonna trade
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 4: back in. You know, I was kind of looking at
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 4: baby get either Downs or like I said, I was
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 4: hoping Branch to kind of replace mccordy, or if it's
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 4: like a tackle we should go for.
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 8: Yeah, I look, I think that at this point we
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 8: could see the needs at corner and edge. But now
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 8: you really have to start thinking about some offense. And
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 8: I understand the board might not have fallen in the
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 8: direction that the offense made sense in these first two rounds,
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 8: but I look at guys like Down, certainly, Marvin Mims,
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 8: Cedric Tillman, we've talked about a little bit. Maybe at
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 8: the tight end position, someone like Darnell Washington. If the
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 8: medical red flag isn't too big of a deal, I
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 8: think a tackle you can start to think about maybe
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 8: the third and fourth round for that. Tyler Stein from
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 8: Alabama is a player that played for Bill O'Brien last year,
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 8: played left tackle in Tuscaloosa. Maybe he's someone that bill
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 8: O'Brien signs off on and think they can bring him in.
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 8: I think that do you really need to start hitting
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 8: on offense at some point though, I mean, thanks, this
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 8: is starting to get a little bit dicey in terms
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 8: of adding talent to that side of the ball.
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 2: Seawan said Vancouver, Hey, Sean.
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 21: Hey guys.
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 26: Well, the other player that i'd like to see the
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 26: Patriots take a right tackle Dewant Jones, and I want
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 26: them to move up as well because I also still
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 26: I hope for a Mushington. I don't know what's going
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 26: on with the medical I don't think what does. But
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 26: everyone's been clamoring for him and he's still there.
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 2: It's yeah, wide receiver, yep, Washington, Washington and crap right, yeah,
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 2: yeah they are.
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 6: I just said we got a little while though before picks.
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 6: I don't know.
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 7: I just feel like you kind of have to wait
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 7: and see what's going to happen here a shocks, you know,
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 7: ten to fifteen picks before you really get a sense
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 7: of I mean Washington, I mean he might not be there.
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 7: Dwan Jones, he might not be there. I mean there's
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 7: I think that the talent's going to start to go
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 7: now here after the second.
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, uh Nixon, La, what's up? Nick?
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 20: Hey, guys, how you doing. I'm really just calling to
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 20: Ben here this key on White pick. I'm a big
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 20: draft guy.
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 27: I love the drafts and watching it.
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 20: That's ninety eight. This is like the most frustrating Bill
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 20: Belichick type pick. To me, like, this is so Bill.
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 20: It's like like I think Evan's got a heavy footed
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 20: Ryan Steel, Like when Nikhil Harry would get a screen,
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 20: it would take forever for him to turn around and go.
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 20: If this guy moves so slow.
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 27: I get he's big.
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 20: I just I don't understand he's just another body. Like
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 20: three years from around, we're gonna be like, oh yeah
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 20: that guy Kean Whity Yeah, yeah, he's on the team.
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 20: It just is like sort of a forgettable just big presence.
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 20: I know it's in need. I just I don't understand
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 20: why Bill is like I hate so it was fascinated
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 20: by this type of player, like not twitchy, just big,
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 20: just a presence.
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 27: So I've just been thinking about that.
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 20: And also I'm curious as to what you guys would
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 20: have thought we were maybe trading up for. Hear these
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 20: rumors we're trying to get into the early second back
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 20: in the first I love guys like Mouth and Branch.
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 20: I think those are the types of players we need,
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 20: we need neat identity.
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  Speaker 17: We don't have any of that.
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 27: I think guy thought we might have been trading up for.
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 2: I think Branch might have been the guy maybe, But
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 2: I just don't.
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 6: I don't love. I don't love necessarily the idea of like,
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 6: you know, all these rumors about trading up and they
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 6: didn't trade up well, like I think we talked about it,
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 6: I don't. I don't really have a lot of criticism
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 6: for that, because who, like what what is the specific
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 6: player like they must have had somebody when everybody talks
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 6: about the lack of like, you know, the high quality
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 6: of talent, you know, I think as those guys start
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 6: getting drafted, I think it becomes a little bit more pigeonholed.
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 6: I think that with all the picks they have, they
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 6: should be able to move around a little bit. And
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 6: I'm surprised they haven't. But I'm not like, I like,
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 6: we were just asked to give an opinion on Keon
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 6: White and and I'm sort of disappointed that they didn't
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 6: take you know, offense there. But I mean, truth be told,
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 6: I don't really. I mean, I Washington in craft with
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 6: two guys that popped into my head. But I'm not
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 6: gonna tell you that it's a travesty that those guys
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 6: are still on the board right now.
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 8: Like I can't say that I would rather them trade
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 8: back than take Keyon White.
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 6: I just see you don't like key On White, which
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 6: is fine. Like, I don't know as much about.
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 8: The caller that we just had. I think nailed the evaluation.
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 8: There's nothing eye popping about his game. He's not twitchy,
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 8: he's not explosive. Uh, he's a three to four defensive
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 8: end that's gonna hold the fort, that's gonna hold the
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 8: point of attack. He's gonna two gap, he's gonna use
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 8: his length, and he's gonna use his power to play
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 8: the run. And what where does that get you? This
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 8: is a draft where they really how.
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 2: Many times have we said, boy, they really stink against
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 2: the run lately?
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 8: And how much does that? I just don't know how
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 8: much that really as a factor. Like do I care
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 8: how much the Buffalo Bills run the ball on the Patriots?
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 6: No?
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 8: I care how many touchdown passes Josh Allen throws all
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 8: over them. Yeah, And He's not somebody that's gonna get
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 8: after the passer effectively if they wanted to draft an
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 8: edge guy. I totally saw the reasoning and they and
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 8: the thinking. But isn't the idea to draft the edge
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 8: guy to replace josh Ucha?
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 6: Right?
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 8: I mean, you're you're not going to pay josh Ucca?
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 18: Or are you?
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 2: Are?
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 8: You know you have one year left on Ja's contract.
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 8: Judon's coming up on the end of his contract too.
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 8: I don't think they're going to pay josh Uca. I
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 8: don't know about the rest of you guys, but I
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 8: don't see them doing that. And this is not a
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 8: player that's going to replace josh Ucha. This is a
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 8: player that's going to play on the inside with his
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 8: hand in the dirt. So where is the vision? Like,
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 8: what where does he get on the field? Well, what's
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 8: his role for this team next year? I just I
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 8: don't I can't find it. Is he going to probably
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 8: Tetrick Wise? Like is he replacing Lawrence Guy who's bigger
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 8: and stouter than he is?
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 7: So well, I mean, how do you feel about those guys?
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 7: How do you feel about Rick Wise and Lawrence Guy?
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 8: I mean, I thought Dietrick WWI is coming off the
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 8: best year of his career.
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 6: I agree with that. Early. I think Lawrence Guy is
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 6: a candidate. Yeah, I mean he's not this guy, Lawrence Guy, right.
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 8: But Lawrence Guy is much bigger than he is.
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 6: No, absolutely, but I just think might not necessarily be related.
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 6: But I think Lawrence Guy is one of those those
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 6: guys that they pulled the plug on a year early
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 6: rather than a year late. Veteran making a little bit
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 6: of money, not a ton, But that's that. I'm just
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 6: going by history.
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, let's see, the Steelers took Keanu Benton from Wisconsin
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 2: defensive tackle.
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 6: Dolphins took Cam Smith too. Yeah, but I'm going I
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 6: think that's a pretty good pick for them. I think
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 6: I think they got two good corners right now, and
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 6: they got a third now to And now you have
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 6: a young corner who was one of those guys, depending
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 6: on where you looked, was rated to go, uh you
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 6: know a little bit higher than this, you know, green Bay.
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 6: This particular list has him twenty ninth.
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 2: Green Bay took Jaden Reid Michigan State we downs downs
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 2: hasn't gone yet.
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 8: No downs to the sizes he's downsing because of his size.
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 7: Yeah, Well, read the same isn't read. I mean reads
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 7: is kind of the same.
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 6: I like to read, but I like to read. Then
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 6: that's that's disappointing. Yeah, I don't know. I gotta dig
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 6: more into two Keiomite.
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 7: I was kind of dismissive of him, and I, you know,
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 7: I obviously respect what Evan's saying about him. I just,
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 7: you know, I think in the right system, you never
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 7: know with some of these guys. So I mean, I'm
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 7: willing to give him a chance and try to find
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 7: some some but I hear every you know, I hear
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 7: everything you're saying.
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 6: It's also just tough because I think we talk all
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 6: about the.
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 7: Edge need and I think to your point to even
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 7: feel like you filled that, you know, like I don't
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 7: know for sure.
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 6: I love the way Evon said he goes. You know,
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 6: I'm okay with taking an edge guy, but take an
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 6: edge guy, yeah right, Yeah.
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 8: That that I think is the whole thing to me,
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 8: is that he he is a three four end in
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 8: their system. If they're sticking to that system, he's I
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 8: don't think that he's athletic enough or loose enough to
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 8: stand up. And so if you're gonna the whole idea
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 8: of of us arguing for them taking an edge guy
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 8: when we started talking about edge guys in the first
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 8: round on the show and things like that, was to
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 8: take an edge guy because you think you're not paying josh.
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 8: This guy is not josh u j This is nothing,
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 8: totally different type of player. So where what's the what's
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 8: the vision of getting him on the field? What's the
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 8: role for him next year? When in a draft where
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 8: I just really felt like they needed to come away
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 8: with at least two impact guys that were gonna help
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 8: the twenty twenty three Patriots. This guy might help the
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 8: Patriots down the line, and I'm willing to give him
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 8: a chance and all that stuff, But what's he doing
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 8: to help this team this year? I don't even know
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 8: if he's gonna get on the field against some of
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 8: these other guys that they have already in the room
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 8: and the veterans.
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 7: I'd have to look at Sam Roberts measure enough, but
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 7: he feels kind of in that in that range kind
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 7: of too, you know, he feels like that that kind
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 7: of body type a little bit. I'd have to look
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 7: at the measurables, But I mean, did.
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 2: Some people have this guy, you know, maybe lower first
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 2: round some people.
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean, you know, every look, it's everybody has
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 8: a different opinion on these guys. My I don't think
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 8: he's a bad football player. I just don't really see
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 8: the need for for him. If you wanted to draft
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 8: an edge guy, then draft an edge guy. You drafted
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 8: a three to four end. I just don't know where
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 8: is he playing and what's his role on the team,
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 8: and he'll play on the.
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 6: End o difference between a defensive end and an edge guy.
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 6: I understand what that was saying.
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean when you think of edge guy, you
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 2: think disruptive.
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 6: Yeah, you know.
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 7: But I mean, just to offer this up, this is
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 7: NFL dot Com offering a quote on him from a
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 7: personal executive for an AFC team. You have to see
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 7: him in person to get a feel for how he
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 7: moves around and how big he is. Really athletic, with
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 7: a high floor, he'll be a riser, so you know,
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 7: I mean, there's a reason why I mean he was
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 7: projected there in rounds one to two.
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 6: I don't know.
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 7: I think this is the kind of guy where you
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 7: don't really know what you got and I don't think
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 7: expectations are very high. But I do think that there's
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 7: a need to be better on defense, and I don't know.
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 8: I think that the sky whoever that was a high
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 8: He's got a high floor. That's what he said, right,
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 8: That's exactly how I describe him. He's a high floor player,
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 8: which there's nothing wrong with that. But didn't I just
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 8: I was feeling I was clamoring for ceiling. I was,
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 8: I was clamoring for upside, and that's totally what they
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 8: got last night with Christian Gonzalez. So yeah, I think
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 8: Keon White can come in. He can play a role.
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 8: He can be solid in that role. But they got
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 8: enough guys that are solid in a role. You know,
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 8: they had they had to take a chance on some
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 8: of these guys with some higher upside. I don't know
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 8: if they did.
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 2: That here, let's see Matt and Carlsbath says, if ke
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 2: On White is so bad, what are the reasons some
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 2: thought he would be drafted in the first round.
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 8: I didn't say he was bad. I just he's just
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 8: not my type of guy.
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 6: That's it. I have I have an answer for this, Okay,
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 6: and stick with me here, and I'm gonna stay upfront
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 6: that I don't know and I've said this already. I
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 6: don't know what tremendous amount about ki On White, So
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 6: this isn't Keon White specific. I'm gonna leave that to
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 6: Mike and Evan who have watched far more tape on
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 6: these guys than I have. Okay, but you can't say
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 6: the experts got it wrong with Christian Gonzalez when he
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 6: went ten picks after he was widely considered to have
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 6: been off the board, and then say, well, well the
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 6: experts think that Keon White could have gone ten twenty
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 6: picks higher. Yeah, the NFL didn't. The NFL thought Christian
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 6: Gonzalez was seventeen, and the NFL thought that Keon White
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 6: was forty six. So what the experts said? Obviously. I
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 6: went through a number of mock drafts today. The best
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 6: one I found had three hits. Right, nobody, because it's
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 6: a ridiculously hard thing to do, YEA, When you don't
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 6: have the information, you're not the team's.
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 2: Neil and new Brunswick says Daniel Jeremiah had White as
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 2: his twenty eighth ranked player. He said he was a
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 2: converted tight end who was twitchy, unlike our callers perspective.
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 2: I know we all have to take to Evans' analysis,
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 2: but there are other opinions that many thought he was
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 2: a good player. Also, he looked pissed he wasn't drafted
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 2: last night as he was in the green room, so
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 2: he was pissed when he got drafted. So he's got
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 2: a chip on his shoulder. So can we let the
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 2: kid come to training camp and play before we cut him?
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 6: I knew this.
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 2: Daniel Jia, Daniel Jeremy, Daniel Jeremiah problem. Daniel Jeremiah is
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 2: best at this and actually worked in the league.
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 6: I agree with that.
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 2: Someone by Evan a Jersey Mike Subbers.
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 8: Okay, just to be totally clear, all right, I have
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 8: nothing wrong with There's nothing wrong with Kean White the player.
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 8: He's got some upside. He's got some things going for him.
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 8: I mentioned all of them. He's a physical guy. I
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 8: think he's a bowling ball. He's got power, he's got length,
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 8: all these types of things that they cover it right,
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 8: And I just don't like the position the player of
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 8: that that they took.
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 6: I I don't think that he changes the equation for him.
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 6: That's it.
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 8: I maybe Kean White ends up being a great football player.
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 6: I don't know. I'm not saying that he can't be good.
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 6: I'm just saying that why this why now, Like, why
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 6: why is this the spot that you're looking at, Like
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 6: in terms of like the rankings and all the stuff
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 6: that everybody wants to cherry pick the one that suits
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 6: their argument. I did a Google search today, Freddie has
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 6: I think the Dame Brugla one. So I did a
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 6: Google search today on top one hundred prospects and I
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 6: found one that was compiled as an aggregate of a
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 6: lot of different top hundred lists. Kean White on this
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 6: list is fifty nine. Okay, So like, there you go.
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 6: You can find someone to either back up or dispute
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 6: your view. Again, I'm not I don't know what tremendous
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 6: amount about this guy. I've watched them a little bit,
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 6: but not anywhere near as much as you guys have.
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 6: So I'll defer to you guys. I think that there
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 6: was I think it was time to sort of like
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 6: look unless you could get like a real impact player,
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 6: I think it was time to look at offense there.
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 6: That's what I'm a little disappointed at, not the player.
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 6: I don't know enough about the player to be happy
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 6: or sad about them.
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 8: I think that's exactly where I'm at. I just I
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 8: wish that they had gone offense with this pick. They
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 8: went defense last night. They got their corner last night,
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 8: and I think there were other This is a deep
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 8: edge class to good edge class, and I think there
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 8: were other guys in this skill set that they could
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 8: have gotten later on and maybe grabbed somebody on the
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 8: offensive side of the football. I will say, you know
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 8: a lot of the guys that I had graded out
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 8: higher than Keon White or were off the board at
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 8: this point. You know, Derek Hall, Isaiah Foski, bjo Jalari,
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 8: you know some of the guys that went last night.
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 8: So I had him right about here and they took
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 8: him right about here. I just would have rathered a
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 8: different player.
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 2: That's it, Matt in Connecticut. Here's what ESPN said how
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 2: he would fit. White is the ideal fit for the
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 2: Patron's versatile defensive scheme. With Matt Juden crashing off one edge,
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 2: White could use his power and speed to make an
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 2: impact as both a defensive and potentially a defensive tackle.
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 2: Given his size and strength, he is similar in ways
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 2: to Dietrich Wise and can play a similar type of
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 2: role as a rookie.
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 8: Absolutely, I don't disagree with any of that. Besides the
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 8: use of the word speed, I would I would not
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 8: call him an explosive first step player. I would call
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 8: him a bowling ball, somebody that just is a wrecker
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 8: in between the trenches that can really get off into
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 8: people and push people around it.
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 2: Better or not as good as Ty Warren was.
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 6: I saw someone compare him to Ty Warren's. I love
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 6: Ty Warren. I don't necessarily need Ty Warren in the
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 6: twenty twenty three.
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 7: Okay, no, Ty WARN's three hundred pounds plus, right, I.
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 2: Mean Chad in Atlanta? Well, Belichick giveth and Belichick taketh away.
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 2: These two picks were on the complete opposite end of
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 2: the spectrum when it comes to excitement and fan approval.
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 2: Is Bill going to try and get an offensive weapon?
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 2: Isn't the goal to help Mac? Or is he sabotaging him?
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 2: Don't like the white pick at all?
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 7: Well, I don't think he's sabotaging him, But I do
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 7: think that you're quickly running the course of there just
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 7: aren't a lot of these immediate impact kind of guys
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 7: that are that are left. And you know, I think
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 7: you're you're okay to swallow that at a position like
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 7: tight end where you have two guys under contract for
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 7: the next year. But you know, I get, I get
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 7: what everybody wants. They want one of those tackles maybe,
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 7: but I mean everybody really probably wants a wide receiver.
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 9: You know.
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 7: I think if they had taken Josh Downs right there,
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 7: everybody would have been happy.
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 6: But Josh Downs isn't isn't gone yet, So you know,
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 6: it's which is part of my point, Like, you know,
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 6: when you like a guy like we all like Christian Gonzalez,
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 6: we're able to say what a steal. You got him
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 6: ten picks later then everybody thought he was going to go.
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 6: And when you kind of Lukewarman a guy, because I
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 6: don't want to say we don't like Keon White, let's say, well,
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 6: Luke warm on the pack, he's fine. Yeah, Well you know, well,
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 6: what are the experts know, like they thought he was
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 6: going to go, Well it doesn't work that way.
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 7: Yeah, Or what if they had traded up to thirty
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 7: two for Washington, you know, like we would have been like,
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 7: oh my god, they did it, but he's still coming in.
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 6: It's also just to that.
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 8: Point, like I think people think I'm bashing the pick,
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 8: but last night I was elated, so like, I'm just
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 8: trying to give it to you the way that it is,
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 8: like the way I feel. I watch a lot of
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 8: these guys. I study a lot of these guys. I
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 8: put a lot of work into it. And he's fine.
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 6: That's what.
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 8: I can't describe him any other way. And we'll see
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 8: where he plays and we'll see what happens. But just
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 8: the position that he plays and the way that he
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 8: plays it, to me, is just another one of those patriots.
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 8: Like he's gonna bring his lunch pail to work every
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 8: single day and he's gonna do his job, and he's
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 8: gonna make, you know, an impact in that sort of vein.
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 8: But I don't necessarily see somebody that has elite, game
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 8: changing type of potential. And I think that's what this
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 8: team needs and so cool we can play a role
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 8: in their defense. That's what That's what he's got.
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 6: Two quick things. The Chiefs. I believe took that wide
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 6: receiver from SMU that I liked that you guys didn't,
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 6: But you guys said that he looked kind of irritated
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 6: when he got picked. Did you see. So I'm just
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 6: someone on Twitter. I don't know who it is said
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 6: that he got a little FTB VIDs. I don't know
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 6: what that. Yeah, he does. He got a little emotional
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 6: when they saw the pick announced on TV. So I
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 6: don't know does that mean emotional like he was mad
• 1:44:06
  Speaker 6: or emotional? Maybe we misread because I didn't see his
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 6: mama was crying. I saw his mom last night, his daddy,
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 6: his mama. I will say this for Kean White for sure.
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 6: The NFL did him a disservice by inviting him to
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 6: the draft last night because he was never going in
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 6: the first round. I don't know what intel. So maybe
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 6: that's why some people are like, no, well he was Yeah.
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 8: He was never going in the first round. They brought
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 8: him out to Kansas City in the green room, and
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 8: that's embarrassing. It is so maybe he does have that
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 8: chip under his shoulder.
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 2: I wouldn't go if they asked me to go.
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 6: You know, he's not that's not Yeah, he's not happy.
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 6: His mother is crying. He's not well. Who I assume
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 6: is his mother? Yeah, he was not. They did not
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 6: look happy. The only possible explain might just show me
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 6: the video was that he was just.
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 7: Still frustrated from last night that they made him come
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 7: and sit and he was just like finally, you know,
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 7: I mean that's what I can only.
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 6: Hope that everybody I'll ask him about it. I just wonder,
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 6: like everybody will welcome him.
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 8: It was it his agent? Was it the league that
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 8: was telling him he was going to get drafted last night?
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 8: Like what was the motivation of going to the Because
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 8: I really do genuinely feel bad for him because there
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 8: was no chance he was going last night, and he
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 8: sat in that green room for thirty one picks and
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 8: all of us knew that he wasn't going last night,
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 8: and and he was, yet he was still sitting there.
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 8: So I wonder how that's going to affect him in
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 8: a positive way.
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 2: Take it out on the.
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 6: Field, I think.
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 7: I think part of the hard thing too, is that
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 7: with Gonzalez, you know, we're going to see him in
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 7: a week or two out here, and he's a cornerback,
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 7: and he's a really athletic guy, and you're instantly going
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 7: to be able to watch him and get some kind
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 7: of just idea of him. And it's a lot harder
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 7: with a guy like ke On White. You have no
• 1:45:48
  Speaker 7: idea where they're going to really line him up. They're
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 7: not going to play really physical, and you know, it's
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 7: just these are these are shorts and not you know, helmets.
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 7: So it's it's harder to build excitement with him until
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 7: you get to like day one of pads and even then,
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 7: you know, what, have they even hit really anymore?
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 6: Ye?
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 2: All right, So we're on the twenty fourth pick of
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 2: the second round. That's Kansas City. Paul, you said they've
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 2: already chosen.
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 6: I think they took uh, yeah, Rashie Rice, wide receiver
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 6: out of SMU, who I liked a little bit. I
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 6: mean not that I was in love with him or anything,
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 6: but I liked him. And yeah, the boys I liked
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 6: him too. No, I didn't think which is fine. No,
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 6: I like that a lot of separation.
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I just well that's that's what I kind of
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 7: felt like two of them. More I watched him, he
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 7: just he felt like he kind of got to the
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 7: top of the route and he kind of gets stuck
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 7: and you know, couldn't really break. But now I think
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 7: he's a good player. I mean I I would have
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 7: I would have been happy with him.
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 8: He's a he's a he's a physical, uh you know,
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 8: competitive guy, Rashi Rice, Like he's when that ball is
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 8: in the air, Hi Rice is coming down with the
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 8: football a lot, you know.
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 9: He.
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 8: I think a lot of people that really really liked
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 8: him saw some DeAndre Hopkins in his game where even
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 8: when it doesn't look like he's open, he's open because
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 8: he just out muscles the other guy for the football.
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 8: I just didn't really want that skill set for Patriots, Like,
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 8: we don't need a guy I would agree with that,
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 8: you know, And I don't like that that's just gonna
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 8: not gonna get open and not going to be explosive.
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 6: He's just gonna out muscle guys.
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 2: We had another running back taken by the.
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 6: Freddy check out This goal by so Pasta scored a goal.
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 1: What I.
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 6: Was told Pasta couldn't score goals. That's the goal. Score
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 6: a goal. Your shows, Yeah, that's ridiculous. No one ever
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 6: says he can't. A guy with sixty goals can't score
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 6: a goal? Where where is he? Where where is he been?
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 6: He's had a terrible series. Here are they supposed to
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 6: pretend he's played?
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 14: Well?
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 6: My god, now you're just making crap up. That's sixty goals.
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 6: Someone said he can't score. Yes, your show said that,
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 6: you guys where hate him so much you can't even listen.
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 6: It's unreal. You're very defensive, right, because that's because that's
• 1:47:48
  Speaker 6: asked night when someone makes fun of somebody for turning
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 6: the puck over too much, and you say that he
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 6: can't turn the puck over too much because he's trying
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 6: to score and he's gonna you guys the time living
• 1:47:59
  Speaker 6: it over, so make fun of for that. Now we're
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 6: in front of them for saying. Now, I'm just fun
• 1:48:03
  Speaker 6: of them saying he can't score goals when he had
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 6: sixty guys. I think this is really about Keon White
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 6: right now.
• 1:48:08
  Speaker 8: It's much better than I'm giving ke On White a
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 8: third time through. I watched him yesterday morning because I
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 8: had this last second inkling of like it's kind of
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 8: their type of guy, right, So I went I watched
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 8: him initially, I watched him again yesterday, and I'm watching
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 8: him again now. So I'm gonna try to sell myself
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 8: by tomorrow. Talk to me tomorrow tomorrow.
• 1:48:29
  Speaker 7: I'll think that it's like I'm just gonna put my
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 7: positive Homer hat on for a second and just say
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 7: what I'm hoping for, Like I'm I'm hoping that this
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 7: guy does bring an element of a kind of a
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 7: unique element of power and athleticism to the I don't.
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 6: Know if he's going to have the speed it's what
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 6: he has. But Mike, you just sold me you know
• 1:48:44
  Speaker 6: that that's what I like that. You want to talk
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 6: about unique combos of power, and I mean, I'm here
• 1:48:50
  Speaker 6: for that. Let's I'm here for that.
• 1:48:52
  Speaker 2: Let's be honest, all right. Dietrich Wise started out on
• 1:48:56
  Speaker 2: fire last year and he faded down the stretch, he disappeared.
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I thought he had a pretty good year. I've
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 6: been I've been.
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 7: I've been fine trying to upgrade him for a while now.
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 7: But I mean, I would just say I fell in
• 1:49:06
  Speaker 7: love with Trayvon Walker last year. I don't think he's
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 7: going to be Trayvon Walker, but I don't I see
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 7: similarities to like, you know what we've been talking about.
• 1:49:13
  Speaker 6: Is he going to be a speed rusher off the edge?
• 1:49:15
  Speaker 7: Probably not, But I just look, they've been kind of
• 1:49:17
  Speaker 7: running it back with this front seven for the last
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 7: few years and it hasn't been good enough. So if
• 1:49:21
  Speaker 7: you're telling me that maybe they're going to take a
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 7: chance at a potential guy that could upgrade things along
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 7: the line of scrimmage and maybe give them a different
• 1:49:27
  Speaker 7: dynamic than what we've been looking at with guy Godshaw.
• 1:49:31
  Speaker 6: Like maybe they want to get maybe they want to
• 1:49:34
  Speaker 6: get away from those three hundred and fifteen pound guys
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 6: up front and get a little bit more athletic. Yes,
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 6: he definitely has.
• 1:49:40
  Speaker 8: I think that the two things that I can give
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 8: to him or that he has significant play strength, Like
• 1:49:45
  Speaker 8: this is somebody that you can see a noticeable shock
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 8: when he puts hands into people, that he can really
• 1:49:50
  Speaker 8: press a block and get off a block in that vein.
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 6: And I do think he has a little.
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 8: Bit more of that like bowling ball, you know, game
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 8: wrecking ability than a guy like a Orange Sky does.
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 8: It's just really there to just hold the fourth, so
• 1:50:03
  Speaker 8: there's a little bit more playmaking there than some of
• 1:50:05
  Speaker 8: those other guys. I just I just really wanted to
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 8: go offense with this pick. I think that that's what
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 8: I'm kind of coming to terms with. Is where my
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 8: initial frustration was was that I just really wanted to
• 1:50:16
  Speaker 8: go offense. And now the Bruins will make me feel better,
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 8: So it's fine.
• 1:50:19
  Speaker 2: Bruins.
• 1:50:19
  Speaker 6: There's suddenly dominated. But it's just like the other night
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 6: all we saw.
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they've flipped the switch. Let's see brad AND's new Brunswick.
• 1:50:27
  Speaker 6: I'm wondering, and Carlos score goal.
• 1:50:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm wondering why they haven't traded up by using
• 1:50:32
  Speaker 2: their fourth and sixth rounders. Like Fred said last night,
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 2: you have to have a partner. Do you think there
• 1:50:36
  Speaker 2: is some sort of anti Patriots bias or Patriots fatigue
• 1:50:40
  Speaker 2: or even Patriots hangover. Yes, even though we are five
• 1:50:43
  Speaker 2: years removed from our last Super Bowl.
• 1:50:45
  Speaker 6: That's why there was seventeen other trades in the round.
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 2: All the other teams are just saying, no, we're not
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 2: going to help the Patriots get better.
• 1:50:51
  Speaker 6: Correct. Yeah, I think that might be Carlo's goal. I
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 6: don't think that got.
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 2: Tipped Mike, and Raleigh says taking off the ledge. I
• 1:51:01
  Speaker 2: would rather have an offensive player there as well. But
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 2: at least they're taking players in the round they're supposed
• 1:51:06
  Speaker 2: to go in and like Jordan Richards, Tevan Strange.
• 1:51:10
  Speaker 8: Okay, I go on, who's this emailer? Good, good email?
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 8: I told you to buy tomorrow. I and I also
• 1:51:16
  Speaker 8: want to take a little bit because I haven't really
• 1:51:18
  Speaker 8: heard Evan on the ledge.
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 6: Yeah, it's not like I think.
• 1:51:23
  Speaker 2: It's just it was such a polar opposite from last night.
• 1:51:25
  Speaker 2: People are he's.
• 1:51:26
  Speaker 7: Being consistent, he has integrity for what he watched and
• 1:51:29
  Speaker 7: select the guy he doesn't like.
• 1:51:30
  Speaker 2: He said, I think we all know this team isn't
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 2: going to win anything next year. I just hope they
• 1:51:34
  Speaker 2: come out of this draft with good foundational pieces to
• 1:51:37
  Speaker 2: the roster that will be here for years to come.
• 1:51:39
  Speaker 2: Let's all give Keon White a chance and show that
• 1:51:42
  Speaker 2: he can be a good player come this summer.
• 1:51:44
  Speaker 8: I just want to say, just give the kid a shot,
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 8: to give ke White a chancing, like we're all giving
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 8: him a chance.
• 1:51:52
  Speaker 28: Like obviously we're all giving him a chancet. What don't
• 1:51:57
  Speaker 28: worry How about those that want to give mac Jones
• 1:51:59
  Speaker 28: a chance? No, maybe by getting in some players.
• 1:52:02
  Speaker 2: Absolutely not, Clint says, don't worry, Evan, I get you.
• 1:52:06
  Speaker 2: It's late, we're probably trading back anyway. Let's talk again tomorrow.
• 1:52:10
  Speaker 6: You're right.
• 1:52:11
  Speaker 8: By the time we get on the air tomorrow, I
• 1:52:14
  Speaker 8: will have grinded some more ke On White tape for
• 1:52:16
  Speaker 8: now the third time trying to I found there and
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 8: by tomorrow, I will tell you all you know what
• 1:52:22
  Speaker 8: I was wrong. My reaction was incorrect, and now the
• 1:52:25
  Speaker 8: Patriots have two game wreckers on defense in the draft.
• 1:52:29
  Speaker 2: Me too. Lock In Adelaide says, I just wanted to
• 1:52:35
  Speaker 2: chime in and say that evans response to key On
• 1:52:38
  Speaker 2: White is reminiscent of Paul's reaction to Richard Seymour. He's
• 1:52:41
  Speaker 2: not quite resigning. I think that he reminds me a
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 2: bit of Sebastian Volmer pick a diamond in the rough,
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 2: possibly with somebody else I was.
• 1:52:49
  Speaker 6: I was way more negative.
• 1:52:52
  Speaker 8: Bastian Volmer didn't go to the combine. He was the
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 8: highest draft pick ever to not go to the combine.
• 1:52:58
  Speaker 8: Ke On White is at least an other emailer is right.
• 1:53:01
  Speaker 8: The way to talk me off the ledge right now
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 8: is that Kean White was at least supposed to be
• 1:53:05
  Speaker 8: drafted here. They drafted a guy that was supposed to
• 1:53:07
  Speaker 8: be drafted there, and they didn't draft Sebastian Volmer. Sabastian
• 1:53:10
  Speaker 8: Volmer was a was a out of nowhere type of
• 1:53:12
  Speaker 8: pick at the time.
• 1:53:14
  Speaker 2: Let's see PAULI writes in in Ohio, how have we
• 1:53:18
  Speaker 2: not made a trade? There are so many reasons to
• 1:53:20
  Speaker 2: have moved up and gotten a guy, and they have
• 1:53:22
  Speaker 2: the ability to move anywhere they want. I'm very confused.
• 1:53:25
  Speaker 2: I want Darnell Washington, Josh Downs, Byron Young, don't want
• 1:53:29
  Speaker 2: they want Jones, Zach Harris, Kenny mcintize, Zak Koontz. So
• 1:53:33
  Speaker 2: he names more. Also, the Patriots could have drafted defensive
• 1:53:37
  Speaker 2: end Mike Morris in the five or sixth round and
• 1:53:39
  Speaker 2: gotten a better player than White. Unbelievable pick. Why they
• 1:53:43
  Speaker 2: didn't trade up for someone like Mingo or Laporta and
• 1:53:46
  Speaker 2: made it differ.
• 1:53:47
  Speaker 6: Now better players are available in the sixth round, like like,
• 1:53:50
  Speaker 6: go on, I'm going to become the biggest key On
• 1:53:53
  Speaker 6: White fan in the world with the way that some
• 1:53:55
  Speaker 6: of these people are reacting to this pick.
• 1:53:57
  Speaker 8: Yeah, it's my fault on you guys came out too
• 1:54:01
  Speaker 8: hot against the.
• 1:54:02
  Speaker 2: Bread and Lemister says, we're tipping the bruin scores. I
• 1:54:05
  Speaker 2: guess we're seeing it before he is.
• 1:54:06
  Speaker 6: I don't know what just happening. This school get overturned,
• 1:54:11
  Speaker 6: and I'm not sure, but I think I, Matt, do
• 1:54:14
  Speaker 6: you know what's going on in there in the crease?
• 1:54:17
  Speaker 6: The busk in the crease? Okay, because I thought that
• 1:54:20
  Speaker 6: may have been a hand pass. Very early in the
• 1:54:22
  Speaker 6: whole sequence. Everyone was looking at the what a terrible rule?
• 1:54:25
  Speaker 6: Are sorry? What hand pass?
• 1:54:27
  Speaker 9: No?
• 1:54:28
  Speaker 6: Just like Luke scoon Maker guy went to down and
• 1:54:31
  Speaker 6: after they gained the zone an hour later, while this
• 1:54:34
  Speaker 6: was a good law, Yeah, now we're gonna call it fairness.
• 1:54:38
  Speaker 6: I don't have the volume up. I don't know that.
• 1:54:39
  Speaker 6: That's why everybody on Twitter is just saying that's garbage.
• 1:54:43
  Speaker 6: Drew Pearson announcing the Cowboys pick. That could be like
• 1:54:45
  Speaker 6: the end of the show. Who's the the Schoonmaker?
• 1:54:49
  Speaker 8: Scoon Maker? Ye can't have schoon that's too nice.
• 1:54:53
  Speaker 6: The goal is off the board. But I don't know
• 1:54:55
  Speaker 6: that's too that's too nice of an offensive piece.
• 1:54:57
  Speaker 2: Back to to two to Okay, So Dallas takes Luke
• 1:55:02
  Speaker 2: Schoonmaker from Michigan. Second Michigan guy they took, I think. Yeah.
• 1:55:08
  Speaker 2: So the Bills, the Buffalo Bills are on the board
• 1:55:12
  Speaker 2: at the twenty eighth pick, fifty ninth overall. Uh so
• 1:55:16
  Speaker 2: we're getting to the end, close to the end of
• 1:55:18
  Speaker 2: the second round. Let's go to the Phones's see it's
• 1:55:23
  Speaker 2: Christian in La who's very disappointed and sad.
• 1:55:26
  Speaker 6: What's up, Christian Evan.
• 1:55:29
  Speaker 16: Well, I just don't know what we're doing. I mean,
• 1:55:32
  Speaker 16: it seems like what we decided, and hey, I love
• 1:55:36
  Speaker 16: Christian Gonzalogi is the great player, the impact player, and
• 1:55:39
  Speaker 16: this kid key On White, he may be an impact player.
• 1:55:41
  Speaker 16: But here's the essential question that I'm asking is how
• 1:55:45
  Speaker 16: many wins do these guys translate to? I don't think
• 1:55:49
  Speaker 16: more than one or two.
• 1:55:52
  Speaker 6: We said is not quarterbacks.
• 1:55:55
  Speaker 2: It seems like what we said is okay, now that's
• 1:55:57
  Speaker 2: ten wins this seeon, Yeah, that's getting better.
• 1:56:00
  Speaker 6: But how is how is a draft pick responsible for? Like, yeah, wins? Well,
• 1:56:06
  Speaker 6: if you have a good draft, that helps you get better.
• 1:56:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:56:08
  Speaker 6: But like I mean, that's I think what you're saying,
• 1:56:10
  Speaker 6: we're going to get a guy in the third round
• 1:56:11
  Speaker 6: that's going to be responsible for.
• 1:56:12
  Speaker 2: What you say, Christian is you're looking for impact players.
• 1:56:15
  Speaker 2: High impact players, right, You're not going to get them
• 1:56:19
  Speaker 2: unless you were in the top ten of the first round.
• 1:56:21
  Speaker 2: You know, Gonzales could be.
• 1:56:23
  Speaker 27: If I don't know what.
• 1:56:26
  Speaker 16: Christian goes out to a great player, but I really
• 1:56:28
  Speaker 16: think we needed to look at some offensive firepower.
• 1:56:31
  Speaker 27: Or help for Mac.
• 1:56:32
  Speaker 16: It seems like Bill is saying we're going to try
• 1:56:35
  Speaker 16: the whole team below twenty one point because our team
• 1:56:38
  Speaker 16: as is can maybe generate seventeen to twenty one points.
• 1:56:42
  Speaker 16: So it doesn't seem like a good philosophy. Maybe I'm
• 1:56:46
  Speaker 16: just missing something.
• 1:56:47
  Speaker 2: No, I mean, listen, everyone, A lot of people I
• 1:56:50
  Speaker 2: shouldn't say everyone, thanks, thanks for the call, Christian. A
• 1:56:53
  Speaker 2: lot of people think the Patriots need to upgrade their offense.
• 1:56:56
  Speaker 2: There's no doubt, there's no doubt. That's why they brought
• 1:56:58
  Speaker 2: in Bill O'Brien Gonzales.
• 1:57:00
  Speaker 8: Why it's not part of this though the Christian Gonzales
• 1:57:04
  Speaker 8: pick was the right pick, and it was a good
• 1:57:05
  Speaker 8: pick yesterday. The problem is is that now they need
• 1:57:08
  Speaker 8: to address some offensive holes, like now you need some
• 1:57:11
  Speaker 8: help in the pass catching department, and you need to tackle,
• 1:57:14
  Speaker 8: and whether the board fell your way or not, if
• 1:57:17
  Speaker 8: now in the third round, go get yourself a receiver,
• 1:57:20
  Speaker 8: and go get and trade up in from the fourth
• 1:57:22
  Speaker 8: round and get attacked.
• 1:57:22
  Speaker 2: But see, I don't, come on, I don't. I don't
• 1:57:26
  Speaker 2: like that philosophy. If it's if you're just saying I'm
• 1:57:29
  Speaker 2: drafting for needs because you gotta like the player. You
• 1:57:33
  Speaker 2: can't just draft. But their positions.
• 1:57:34
  Speaker 8: So they've they've done that, right, which is fine. But
• 1:57:37
  Speaker 8: at some point the board has to fall in a
• 1:57:39
  Speaker 8: direction that you can take an offensive player. At some point,
• 1:57:42
  Speaker 8: the board has to be in a position where you're saying,
• 1:57:45
  Speaker 8: we have a highly graded offensive player that we like here.
• 1:57:48
  Speaker 2: So you can't just that's higher, that's higher than you know, got.
• 1:57:53
  Speaker 8: Comparable or comparable comparable in the same tier, right, So
• 1:57:57
  Speaker 8: at some point that has to happen.
• 1:57:59
  Speaker 6: That's all so real quick.
• 1:58:01
  Speaker 2: Maybe it hasn't had Maybe it didn't happen in that pick.
• 1:58:03
  Speaker 6: Maybe so Keon White is talking to our local media here,
• 1:58:09
  Speaker 6: so someone obviously felt the same way that you guys
• 1:58:12
  Speaker 6: did when you saw the the TV reaction. He says,
• 1:58:15
  Speaker 6: I don't know if you've all seen on TV, but
• 1:58:17
  Speaker 6: I'm a chill person. I'm taking it all in. I'm
• 1:58:20
  Speaker 6: handling it myself. So he didn't necessarily back away from
• 1:58:24
  Speaker 6: it completely. And that's a couple and he says, I
• 1:58:27
  Speaker 6: haven't even talked to my family, to be honest, I'm
• 1:58:29
  Speaker 6: just kind of taking it all in. Oh boy, Florida
• 1:58:34
  Speaker 6: just screwed. What a what a screw job on that hand, pass,
• 1:58:37
  Speaker 6: I mean, that's bad. I mean, like, like Evin said,
• 1:58:41
  Speaker 6: it was like a good forty five seconds after the play.
• 1:58:44
  Speaker 8: And it was barely like he grazed his finger and
• 1:58:46
  Speaker 8: they called it a hand path anyways, Draft Show Patriots.
• 1:58:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so so what is so? What else did Keon
• 1:58:53
  Speaker 2: White say?
• 1:58:55
  Speaker 6: You know, just a lot that was the stuff about,
• 1:58:57
  Speaker 6: you know, the TV reaction. I think so, But he
• 1:59:02
  Speaker 6: didn't necessarily say no, no, I'm excited. He was like,
• 1:59:05
  Speaker 6: I'm I'm a chill guy, you know chill.
• 1:59:07
  Speaker 7: I mean, I was gonna say he's one of my
• 1:59:09
  Speaker 7: I think you hate this though, Paul my one of
• 1:59:11
  Speaker 7: my serious football guys. Like he's just one of those
• 1:59:13
  Speaker 7: dudes that don't look like he plays around like it's Dante.
• 1:59:16
  Speaker 6: That's how he plays.
• 1:59:16
  Speaker 7: But that's how he plays. That's fine, that's not He
• 1:59:19
  Speaker 7: looked mad. No, No, he did look mad, but I
• 1:59:20
  Speaker 7: mean it's nothing to be mad. Lived mad a lot
• 1:59:23
  Speaker 7: of the time.
• 1:59:24
  Speaker 10: Now.
• 1:59:24
  Speaker 6: I guess he has a lot of business interests outside
• 1:59:27
  Speaker 6: of football. Yeah, there's there's some stuff out there about
• 1:59:30
  Speaker 6: this in real estate specifically. You know, you read this
• 1:59:34
  Speaker 6: quote like independently without knowing that, and it's kind of odd.
• 1:59:36
  Speaker 6: He says, I have to quote have to assess the
• 1:59:39
  Speaker 6: numbers where I stand contract wise and go from there.
• 1:59:41
  Speaker 6: But definitely the goal is to be financially free. The
• 1:59:44
  Speaker 6: more financially free I am, the better play better I
• 1:59:46
  Speaker 6: can play football. I don't like that, what I have
• 1:59:50
  Speaker 6: to admit, I thought that was a weird and when
• 1:59:53
  Speaker 6: I just saw the quote of it, you're gor that, come.
• 1:59:55
  Speaker 2: Up, you drafted forty six overall, what was it, forty seven?
• 2:00:00
  Speaker 2: You're going to get what they get, Like, there's not
• 2:00:04
  Speaker 2: a lot of negotiation.
• 2:00:05
  Speaker 6: There, not very explosive in excitement in any form. No,
• 2:00:10
  Speaker 6: he's an interesting dude.
• 2:00:11
  Speaker 7: I kind of like him.
• 2:00:13
  Speaker 8: I mean none, none of this has any impact on my.
• 2:00:17
  Speaker 2: I've never I've never heard a second round pick talk
• 2:00:20
  Speaker 2: about his.
• 2:00:20
  Speaker 6: Contract, about the business stuff of Yeah.
• 2:00:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I just not crazy about that.
• 2:00:29
  Speaker 8: I come back to the position. I think that's ultimately
• 2:00:31
  Speaker 8: what it is. It's it's just if you were going
• 2:00:33
  Speaker 8: to draft another defensive player, then it needed to be
• 2:00:35
  Speaker 8: someone that was really going to move the needle in
• 2:00:37
  Speaker 8: some direction, right, A pass rusher that's going to get
• 2:00:40
  Speaker 8: after the quarterback. A defensive back like Brian Branches who's
• 2:00:43
  Speaker 8: going to play on the back end and help replace mccordy. Instead,
• 2:00:47
  Speaker 8: they took a three four end. I mean it's hard
• 2:00:49
  Speaker 8: not to be a little bit underwhelmed by that.
• 2:00:51
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I agree.
• 2:00:53
  Speaker 2: Uh, let's see, the Bills took a guard, Osirius Torrence.
• 2:00:58
  Speaker 6: One of the better guards.
• 2:00:59
  Speaker 7: I'm so he lasted this long. I mean, at least
• 2:01:02
  Speaker 7: as far as the Senior Bowl was going. A lot
• 2:01:04
  Speaker 7: those guys were like, this is the first round guard.
• 2:01:06
  Speaker 7: So in this aggregate he was twenty fifth. That was
• 2:01:08
  Speaker 7: the highest player by far.
• 2:01:09
  Speaker 6: That was totally.
• 2:01:10
  Speaker 14: Man.
• 2:01:10
  Speaker 7: The thing that stood out to me when they were
• 2:01:12
  Speaker 7: talking about that though, was, you know, just comparing him
• 2:01:14
  Speaker 7: to what we saw out of Cold Strange, and it's just,
• 2:01:16
  Speaker 7: you know, they look like a better player to me
• 2:01:18
  Speaker 7: than Cole Strange did, just as far as you know
• 2:01:20
  Speaker 7: what a first round guard should look.
• 2:01:22
  Speaker 6: Like, I should say, with the exception of Hendon Hooker,
• 2:01:24
  Speaker 6: who's thirty on this list, but quarterbacked a little bit different,
• 2:01:27
  Speaker 6: Yeah Hooker.
• 2:01:28
  Speaker 2: Let's see, we'll go to the ace ticket hutline eight
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  Speaker 2: five to five pats five hundred Kurts in Canada. What's up, Kurt?
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  Speaker 1: Hello? Hello, Yes, longtime listener, first time caller.
• 2:01:41
  Speaker 2: Thank you.
• 2:01:43
  Speaker 1: You guys do a great great show. But to Evan, Evan,
• 2:01:49
  Speaker 1: you know more about the draft than most people. Don't
• 2:01:53
  Speaker 1: back up. You're entirely right. They should have picked offense
• 2:01:58
  Speaker 1: and the second pick was not a good pick.
• 2:02:00
  Speaker 2: Okay, name to the claim, You're right, my friend, who
• 2:02:03
  Speaker 2: on offense should they have picked?
• 2:02:05
  Speaker 1: Well, I think they should have either that they should
• 2:02:07
  Speaker 1: have tried to get the receiver because I think they
• 2:02:11
  Speaker 1: can get an offensive tackle later around.
• 2:02:14
  Speaker 2: You have it in any particular name or just.
• 2:02:17
  Speaker 1: Just the little guy.
• 2:02:20
  Speaker 2: Okay, all right, yeah, I like and he's available. Yep, Okay,
• 2:02:26
  Speaker 2: you hold your ground, all right? Thanks.
• 2:02:29
  Speaker 8: Kurt Downs is down here. That's why doesn't like down down.
• 2:02:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:02:34
  Speaker 7: I just think though, I mean, I you know, you
• 2:02:36
  Speaker 7: look around, like what was selected around them. I mean
• 2:02:39
  Speaker 7: it's you know, there's a lot of defensive players going
• 2:02:42
  Speaker 7: in this range. You weren't gonna unless you were gonna
• 2:02:44
  Speaker 7: get up to get Mingo or Matthew Bergeron, probably not
• 2:02:48
  Speaker 7: going up for Avila or Michael Meyer. But I mean
• 2:02:50
  Speaker 7: then it's you know, edge edge, and that's where cornerback
• 2:02:53
  Speaker 7: cornerback edge.
• 2:02:54
  Speaker 6: You know, if that's where the second guess is for me?
• 2:02:56
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 2:02:57
  Speaker 8: Is Bergeron goes thirty eight? And John of the Mingo
• 2:03:00
  Speaker 8: goes thirty nine. That's right in that, you know, trade
• 2:03:03
  Speaker 8: up for two fourths in your in your second makes
• 2:03:06
  Speaker 8: gets you up that eight spots to go get a
• 2:03:08
  Speaker 8: guy like that that that to me would have would
• 2:03:11
  Speaker 8: have been exciting. That was especially Jonathan Mingo U the
• 2:03:14
  Speaker 8: receiver from Ole Miss This is uh, this is a
• 2:03:17
  Speaker 8: bill pick. Whoever said that earlier was right?
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  Speaker 6: All right, another tight end, went Bret Brenton strange, so
• 2:08:40
  Speaker 6: kind of a little bit surprised he went this highway.
• 2:08:42
  Speaker 8: Yeah, Darnel Washington definitely has some sort of medical red flag.
• 2:08:45
  Speaker 6: That's well. After the combine, everybody was like first rounder.
• 2:08:48
  Speaker 6: I mean, he's not making out of the first round
• 2:08:50
  Speaker 6: and uh and we got another penalty on the Bruins.
• 2:08:54
  Speaker 6: Oh believe Sorry, I'm gonna stop updating this because it's
• 2:08:58
  Speaker 6: just making me miserable.
• 2:09:00
  Speaker 2: H Yeah.
• 2:09:01
  Speaker 6: DJ Turner two went to the Bengals, so I know,
• 2:09:03
  Speaker 6: I know, have you liked him?
• 2:09:04
  Speaker 7: I have to admit I'm getting a little bit a
• 2:09:07
  Speaker 7: little bit disappointed here about the tight end situation. Just
• 2:09:10
  Speaker 7: of all the things that I felt like they had
• 2:09:12
  Speaker 7: to come away with, was you know, one of these
• 2:09:14
  Speaker 7: guys and there are.
• 2:09:14
  Speaker 6: Still a couple left.
• 2:09:15
  Speaker 7: But yeah, they're going fast. I mean, it is running
• 2:09:18
  Speaker 7: out like you wouldn't believe you if you.
• 2:09:19
  Speaker 8: Just scratched Darnel Washington off. Just assuming that there is
• 2:09:22
  Speaker 8: some sort of medical red flag or something like that.
• 2:09:25
  Speaker 6: I kind of am in my mind.
• 2:09:26
  Speaker 8: Yeah, Tucker Craft and Zach Koonz are like the two
• 2:09:28
  Speaker 8: guys that stand out to me that that have some
• 2:09:30
  Speaker 8: potential and lot too and maybe a lot too if
• 2:09:33
  Speaker 8: they want to keep the Alabama tie. And Will Mallory
• 2:09:36
  Speaker 8: ran the fastest forty of the group, so maybe he's
• 2:09:38
  Speaker 8: somebody that they see some receiving upside with. But I
• 2:09:41
  Speaker 8: really think Tucker Craft might be their guy. That's the
• 2:09:43
  Speaker 8: guy that you know, Bill O'Brian liked from you know,
• 2:09:46
  Speaker 8: trying to get him to Alabama, and he came here
• 2:09:49
  Speaker 8: for a thirty visit, so that there's some definite smoke
• 2:09:51
  Speaker 8: around Tucker.
• 2:09:52
  Speaker 7: I really liked him at the combine too, Like I
• 2:09:54
  Speaker 7: just you know, sometimes those guys, their personality just you know,
• 2:09:57
  Speaker 7: he seems like a good fit.
• 2:09:58
  Speaker 6: But damn, I'm I'd be good with that.
• 2:10:00
  Speaker 7: But I mean, they still got a ways to go
• 2:10:02
  Speaker 7: here before they're back up on the clock again.
• 2:10:04
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  Speaker 27: Gellan? Thank you for the show. You guys are doing
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  Speaker 6: Thanks for listening.
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  Speaker 27: Brad, we've been listening since two thousand and six, first
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  Speaker 27: time calling in, but love you guys. Fred and Paul,
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  Speaker 27: thank you, thank you. We'll save the next column for
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  Speaker 27: how I found the paper in Portland for the off
• 2:10:30
  Speaker 27: off season, but the two questions I have I guess
• 2:10:33
  Speaker 27: would be who are you looking at? Here to move up?
• 2:10:37
  Speaker 27: And the second would be and Eric's not here to argue,
• 2:10:42
  Speaker 27: but another draft to be tipping picks. Would you ever
• 2:10:48
  Speaker 27: consider it not tipping picks for the thrill of the draft?
• 2:10:53
  Speaker 2: I would consider it. But the thing is, they take
• 2:10:56
  Speaker 2: so long to announce the pick on TV. It's so
• 2:10:59
  Speaker 2: much It's so long after the team has made the pick.
• 2:11:03
  Speaker 2: It's like, you know, I don't know what the point is.
• 2:11:06
  Speaker 2: I would love to keep the intrigue and and everybody
• 2:11:09
  Speaker 2: find out at the same time, but the way they
• 2:11:13
  Speaker 2: do it on TV is that it's so much delay
• 2:11:16
  Speaker 2: between the time the team gets the pick in and
• 2:11:19
  Speaker 2: when it's announced, it's not feasible.
• 2:11:21
  Speaker 8: So the browncas just took Marvin Mittons. So another receiver
• 2:11:25
  Speaker 8: off the board to Denver. Interesting pick for Denver because Jerry,
• 2:11:32
  Speaker 8: what's going on with Jerry Judy? Now now you're not
• 2:11:35
  Speaker 8: You're I think you're way too late in the draft
• 2:11:36
  Speaker 8: of trade for Jerry Judy. I don't think that they're
• 2:11:38
  Speaker 8: giving up Jerry Judy for a third round pick.
• 2:11:41
  Speaker 6: But just as interesting to dip into next year.
• 2:11:44
  Speaker 8: It's just interesting that they decided to draft the receiver
• 2:11:46
  Speaker 8: that that has that somewhat similar skill set from Jerry Judy,
• 2:11:51
  Speaker 8: not obviously not as good, but kind of comparable player.
• 2:11:55
  Speaker 7: So we're on to the third round here, Chicago is thanks,
• 2:11:58
  Speaker 7: Patrick is on the clock, and the Patriots we'll be
• 2:12:00
  Speaker 7: back up. I guess the thirteenth pick in this in
• 2:12:02
  Speaker 7: this round, So twelve picks to go now before the.
• 2:12:06
  Speaker 2: Patriots, and in this round instead of seven minutes between picks,
• 2:12:09
  Speaker 2: it's only five.
• 2:12:10
  Speaker 7: Right, we're gonna we're gonna pick up the pace left, Yeah,
• 2:12:12
  Speaker 7: it might pick up a little bit.
• 2:12:14
  Speaker 6: Did that go fast? I can't tell. Two hours twelve minutes?
• 2:12:16
  Speaker 6: Is that a fast? Third round? Second round?
• 2:12:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a pretty good pace. Yeah, pretty good pace.
• 2:12:22
  Speaker 6: Neither do I.
• 2:12:23
  Speaker 2: So Chicago is on the top of the third round.
• 2:12:27
  Speaker 7: Then a couple back to back picks by the Iggles,
• 2:12:30
  Speaker 7: who obviously are rebuilding the Georgia defense in the NFL
• 2:12:34
  Speaker 7: now with some of their earlier picks of the last
• 2:12:36
  Speaker 7: couple of years.
• 2:12:37
  Speaker 8: So more context on Darnel Washington. Aaron Wilson is saying
• 2:12:41
  Speaker 8: it's a knee injury, a knee issue. He's saying, so
• 2:12:44
  Speaker 8: maybe it's like a chronic got to clean it up.
• 2:12:46
  Speaker 8: Chronic knee you know Sony Michelle situation where you know,
• 2:12:49
  Speaker 8: you don't know how long the knees are going to
• 2:12:52
  Speaker 8: hold up for him in the NFL.
• 2:12:54
  Speaker 2: That's scary.
• 2:12:54
  Speaker 35: Remember Jimmy Hitchcock Paul CLS right, No, no, A sales
• 2:13:00
  Speaker 35: pat took him, but he didn't have he wasn't born
• 2:13:02
  Speaker 35: with them or but he didn't had any it.
• 2:13:05
  Speaker 6: Dominique easily with his knees too.
• 2:13:07
  Speaker 2: Wow, he had issues.
• 2:13:08
  Speaker 6: So he had an issue. Yeah, he had too in
• 2:13:10
  Speaker 6: both a CLS. Jimmy Hitchcock did not have a CLS. Yeah,
• 2:13:16
  Speaker 6: there you go.
• 2:13:18
  Speaker 2: I just remember the Super Bowl against Green Bay in
• 2:13:21
  Speaker 2: ninety six. He sat outside the hotel pretty much the
• 2:13:24
  Speaker 2: whole week, playing chess out on the street.
• 2:13:27
  Speaker 6: With just random Yeah, that's pretty cool.
• 2:13:31
  Speaker 2: Phil in San Antonio, Texas. What's up, Phil?
• 2:13:35
  Speaker 14: Hey?
• 2:13:36
  Speaker 6: Yeah?
• 2:13:36
  Speaker 18: I just I can't believe that we didn't jump up
• 2:13:39
  Speaker 18: or take any of these tight ends because it's just
• 2:13:42
  Speaker 18: you know, I mean they started going quick, and uh,
• 2:13:46
  Speaker 18: you know, I get the first pick, but you know,
• 2:13:48
  Speaker 18: at this point it's like, you know what, we got
• 2:13:51
  Speaker 18: one tight end left that's gonna that'll kind of land.
• 2:13:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, right, I thought they'd move up to But I
• 2:13:58
  Speaker 2: why they didn't may not be for a lack of trying.
• 2:14:01
  Speaker 2: They may not have just been able to find somebody
• 2:14:03
  Speaker 2: willing to dance with him, you know.
• 2:14:06
  Speaker 6: I mean, I still don't rule it out. I think
• 2:14:07
  Speaker 6: they could at any minute here pop back up.
• 2:14:09
  Speaker 18: But I know, yeah, I'm hoping that, you know, defensive
• 2:14:14
  Speaker 18: front wise, I understand why he went with that size.
• 2:14:16
  Speaker 18: You know, it fits his mold. I mean, I really
• 2:14:18
  Speaker 18: like that got Baylor that giant nose tackle. You know,
• 2:14:22
  Speaker 18: I think that that'd be a really good way to
• 2:14:24
  Speaker 18: shore up our.
• 2:14:25
  Speaker 2: At this point.
• 2:14:25
  Speaker 6: At this point though, if they took it, they took
• 2:14:27
  Speaker 6: a defensive lineman right now.
• 2:14:30
  Speaker 18: No, No, definitely, yeah, definitely later. I mean I'm just saying,
• 2:14:35
  Speaker 18: you know, I would have gone tight end now and
• 2:14:37
  Speaker 18: be worried about the defensive line later. But you know,
• 2:14:40
  Speaker 18: I mean, because both are tight ends right now, are
• 2:14:42
  Speaker 18: on one year, right after this year, they're done.
• 2:14:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah right, yeah, yeah.
• 2:14:45
  Speaker 8: I mean, look, whatever is going on with Darnell Washington,
• 2:14:48
  Speaker 8: I'm just going to keep on crossing him off because
• 2:14:50
  Speaker 8: I if he's got a serious medical red flag, then
• 2:14:53
  Speaker 8: I don't think the Patriots are going to draft him.
• 2:14:55
  Speaker 8: But Tucker Craft is the one that just he's still
• 2:14:58
  Speaker 8: hanging around. There's a lot of smoke around him. I
• 2:15:00
  Speaker 8: think he's a versatile player. I can catch the ball
• 2:15:03
  Speaker 8: out of different alignments, run with the football a little
• 2:15:06
  Speaker 8: bit after the catch. I think he averaged over seven
• 2:15:08
  Speaker 8: yards after the catch last year. And he comes from
• 2:15:11
  Speaker 8: a school in South Dakota State. They just took Pierre
• 2:15:13
  Speaker 8: Strong last year, so a similar You know, they know
• 2:15:17
  Speaker 8: the program, they're familiar with the coaches down there or
• 2:15:20
  Speaker 8: over there, I guess I should say, and you know,
• 2:15:23
  Speaker 8: I think that there's there's a lot of smoke with
• 2:15:25
  Speaker 8: that one. So if they're going to target a tight
• 2:15:27
  Speaker 8: end in the third round, I think their guy might
• 2:15:28
  Speaker 8: be Tuck the Craft.
• 2:15:29
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 2:15:29
  Speaker 7: I watched him unfortunately against Holy Cross, but he they
• 2:15:32
  Speaker 7: him and and the other there's another tight end from
• 2:15:34
  Speaker 7: there too that was really good. Those two guys were
• 2:15:36
  Speaker 7: just men amongst boys, which of course is what you
• 2:15:38
  Speaker 7: know you look for at the FCS level.
• 2:15:40
  Speaker 8: Yeah, they I mean, the goal was to get him
• 2:15:43
  Speaker 8: to Alabama. They tried to offer him a lucrative and
• 2:15:45
  Speaker 8: il deal to go to Alabama, and he just I
• 2:15:49
  Speaker 8: think he was a loyal guy and stuck with South
• 2:15:51
  Speaker 8: Dakota State, and uh, he stayed at that school. But
• 2:15:55
  Speaker 8: somebody has got some versatility that can run with the football,
• 2:15:59
  Speaker 8: can rush run seam as a seam threat as well.
• 2:16:02
  Speaker 8: And I think he can block a little bit. I
• 2:16:03
  Speaker 8: don't think he's a finished in line blocker right now,
• 2:16:07
  Speaker 8: but he's got some power and some ability to be
• 2:16:09
  Speaker 8: an in line blocker for sure.
• 2:16:10
  Speaker 2: Darren writes in he said, Keon's reaction to being drafted
• 2:16:14
  Speaker 2: leads me to believe he might be considering not signing.
• 2:16:17
  Speaker 2: If I remember correctly, Bo Jackson chose to do just that.
• 2:16:20
  Speaker 2: Do you think that Keon might not want to play
• 2:16:22
  Speaker 2: for the Patriots or just not wanting to play for
• 2:16:24
  Speaker 2: the money he'd be getting as a second round pick. Well,
• 2:16:27
  Speaker 2: he definitely wasn't happy, and a successful real estate person
• 2:16:30
  Speaker 2: might make more money.
• 2:16:32
  Speaker 6: No, I don't know.
• 2:16:33
  Speaker 7: I mean based on I haven't listened to the call yet,
• 2:16:35
  Speaker 7: but based on the quotes, like he just I think
• 2:16:37
  Speaker 7: he's a unique dude, and I think he marches, probably
• 2:16:39
  Speaker 7: marches to his own drum, and I just get a
• 2:16:41
  Speaker 7: serious vibe about him.
• 2:16:42
  Speaker 6: The second part of that, I have no idea. Maybe
• 2:16:44
  Speaker 6: he doesn't he decided I don't want to play football,
• 2:16:47
  Speaker 6: but I didn't go in the first round, so I'll forget.
• 2:16:49
  Speaker 6: I'm taking my ball. The other part, like, it's kind
• 2:16:51
  Speaker 6: of hard for a second round pick to dictate where
• 2:16:54
  Speaker 6: he's going, Like, I'm not playing for them, so I'm
• 2:16:57
  Speaker 6: not going to sign. That's that's not happening. All they're
• 2:17:00
  Speaker 6: all slotted, so they all make you know, the you know,
• 2:17:03
  Speaker 6: a set amount of money. But it was interesting. You
• 2:17:06
  Speaker 6: don't really normally see guys that get drafted have that
• 2:17:08
  Speaker 6: kind of reaction. How about Cedric Tillman anyone? Yeah, No,
• 2:17:13
  Speaker 6: I like sender Timman Lot sure. Yeah, And then you know,
• 2:17:16
  Speaker 6: I just think it's interesting. And I know Fred's gonna
• 2:17:18
  Speaker 6: yell at me. The thing I brought up earlier, like,
• 2:17:22
  Speaker 6: you guys aren't necessarily sold that they'll take a quarterback
• 2:17:25
  Speaker 6: in the draft, Like, is it completely out of the
• 2:17:27
  Speaker 6: Roman possibility to Hendon Hooker? Hendon Hooker? Is it complete?
• 2:17:31
  Speaker 9: No?
• 2:17:32
  Speaker 8: Of course, not completely. Anything's possible.
• 2:17:34
  Speaker 6: So how about how about packaging fourth round picks to
• 2:17:36
  Speaker 6: move up for a second third rounder and taking Hendon Hooker.
• 2:17:40
  Speaker 6: I I'd rather that really, not only does it not
• 2:17:46
  Speaker 6: only does it just those I'm just going to say,
• 2:17:50
  Speaker 6: probably not going to help them twenty twenty three tea.
• 2:17:53
  Speaker 2: No, But I just and it won't help them from
• 2:17:55
  Speaker 2: a morale either.
• 2:17:56
  Speaker 7: I just I just think they got to hit something
• 2:17:58
  Speaker 7: on offense here, whether to tackle, whether it's a tight end,
• 2:18:01
  Speaker 7: and maybe a receiver of one of those three need
• 2:18:04
  Speaker 7: offensive positions here. You're going to be in the third round,
• 2:18:06
  Speaker 7: You're getting down to the you know, the the point
• 2:18:08
  Speaker 7: in the draft where you just start drafting traits and
• 2:18:11
  Speaker 7: everybody's got issues at that point. So I just I think,
• 2:18:14
  Speaker 7: you know, I hate thinking of things like you need
• 2:18:16
  Speaker 7: to calm the masses and you know, get back to
• 2:18:18
  Speaker 7: a pick that everyone agrees with. But I think that's
• 2:18:22
  Speaker 7: kind of what would happen if you took an offensive
• 2:18:24
  Speaker 7: player right now.
• 2:18:24
  Speaker 6: People will be like, all right, all right, yeah I am.
• 2:18:26
  Speaker 8: We are starting to broach Charlie Jones territory right now.
• 2:18:31
  Speaker 8: And if they want to get me back on board,
• 2:18:32
  Speaker 8: because that's the most important thing, of course, is making
• 2:18:35
  Speaker 8: sure I signed off on the guys that they pick,
• 2:18:37
  Speaker 8: that'd be a fun Paul face. They can take Charlie
• 2:18:39
  Speaker 8: Jones at some point like yeah, and uh, and we
• 2:18:42
  Speaker 8: can then get.
• 2:18:43
  Speaker 6: Me back on board with this class. So let's past David.
• 2:18:47
  Speaker 2: David's in New York. What's up, David?
• 2:18:50
  Speaker 5: Hey, guys, that's going good.
• 2:18:53
  Speaker 2: Uh.
• 2:18:53
  Speaker 36: So we talk about how far Dark Washington's fallen so far,
• 2:18:58
  Speaker 36: and obviously that's a medical thing. I guess I have
• 2:19:00
  Speaker 36: a question this might lean more towards Evan. I'm more
• 2:19:05
  Speaker 36: surprised to how far Dewan Jones is falling because I
• 2:19:08
  Speaker 36: know there were some rumors that he maybe he could
• 2:19:10
  Speaker 36: be a first round pick or early second round pick.
• 2:19:12
  Speaker 36: Why do you think that he's fallen so far so far?
• 2:19:16
  Speaker 8: Well, you know, I think the thing that you do
• 2:19:18
  Speaker 8: see with Dewan Jones is that at six foot eight,
• 2:19:21
  Speaker 8: three hundred and eighty pounds, he is heavy footed, Like,
• 2:19:24
  Speaker 8: this is not a guy that's that you're gonna mistake
• 2:19:27
  Speaker 8: for being rangy and sort of athletic. You know, at
• 2:19:31
  Speaker 8: the tackle position, he's a three hundred and eighty pound tackle.
• 2:19:34
  Speaker 8: He's exactly like if you just think about what a
• 2:19:36
  Speaker 8: three hundred and eighty pound tackle plays like, that's what
• 2:19:39
  Speaker 8: Dewan Jones plays like.
• 2:19:40
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 2:19:40
  Speaker 6: So I think that's part of it.
• 2:19:43
  Speaker 36: Yeah, do you think he's still a good candidate for
• 2:19:46
  Speaker 36: maybe a trade up or if he still falls to
• 2:19:49
  Speaker 36: seventy six.
• 2:19:50
  Speaker 8: I mean, I think you'd be a huge steal at
• 2:19:52
  Speaker 8: seventy six. He can play right tackle in the league
• 2:19:54
  Speaker 8: for the Patriots, because they that's the type of skill
• 2:19:57
  Speaker 8: set that they feel comfortable with playing on the right side.
• 2:20:00
  Speaker 8: Guy that can move people in the run game and
• 2:20:02
  Speaker 8: use his length and power to kind of you know,
• 2:20:05
  Speaker 8: make sure that they can't turn the corner and things
• 2:20:07
  Speaker 8: like that. Sure, yeah, I could definitely see him as
• 2:20:10
  Speaker 8: somebody that they would entertain here in the third round.
• 2:20:13
  Speaker 8: They do not like Ohio State players though, so just
• 2:20:16
  Speaker 8: that that's one caveat i'd put on it. I don't
• 2:20:18
  Speaker 8: think they've taken an Ohio State player since Nate Ebner.
• 2:20:20
  Speaker 6: Which was thanks David, she didn't really play.
• 2:20:23
  Speaker 2: What was I don't know if you were like into
• 2:20:25
  Speaker 2: the draft as much then as you are now, But
• 2:20:28
  Speaker 2: what was Tyron Smith's you know analysis coming out of college?
• 2:20:33
  Speaker 6: Freak freak prototype.
• 2:20:35
  Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean I think with Tyron Smith, that's the
• 2:20:38
  Speaker 8: one guy that whenever you just look at a guy
• 2:20:41
  Speaker 8: that you're like, that's that's an offensive tackle in the NFL.
• 2:20:45
  Speaker 8: Tyron Smith is just like the poster child of that.
• 2:20:48
  Speaker 8: I think Paris Johnson has some Tyron Smith qualities to
• 2:20:51
  Speaker 8: him and why he went sixth overall in this draft.
• 2:20:54
  Speaker 8: He's got some similar things to Tyron Smith. But Tyron
• 2:20:56
  Speaker 8: Smith was his Cyborg coming out too.
• 2:20:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I just love watching him. He's one
• 2:21:01
  Speaker 2: of my favorite players. I know he's playing right tackle now,
• 2:21:04
  Speaker 2: but he just I just love watching, like for some reason,
• 2:21:09
  Speaker 2: certain players like John Hannah, like John Hann other than Brady.
• 2:21:12
  Speaker 2: John Hanna is probably my favorite Patriot, just because he
• 2:21:16
  Speaker 2: does his position so well. You know, that's that's Tyron
• 2:21:19
  Speaker 2: Smith to me. He was just so good at what
• 2:21:21
  Speaker 2: he did, you know, just a joy to watch.
• 2:21:25
  Speaker 7: I mean John Hannah, those highlights from him, yeah, I
• 2:21:27
  Speaker 7: mean absolutely crushing people with like just extreme prejudice.
• 2:21:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, just like from the neck down, just solid and
• 2:21:34
  Speaker 2: he could move and just you know, like people say,
• 2:21:38
  Speaker 2: he's the best guard ever. And you just love watching greatness.
• 2:21:41
  Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, I need some greatness here.
• 2:21:44
  Speaker 2: Ye, Joey's in Maine. What's up, Joey?
• 2:21:48
  Speaker 21: Hey?
• 2:21:49
  Speaker 37: Huge fan of the Gonzo pick. I don't really know
• 2:21:53
  Speaker 37: much about the edge Drusher that we took, but I
• 2:21:56
  Speaker 37: like that. I wanted your guys opinion on the things
• 2:21:58
  Speaker 37: the Lions moved up to steal Branch from US Brian
• 2:22:02
  Speaker 37: Branch because I know maybe the guys that Evan Andduce
• 2:22:05
  Speaker 37: had on on the show, they were talking a lot
• 2:22:07
  Speaker 37: about how Brian Branch was.
• 2:22:09
  Speaker 27: A Patriots fit.
• 2:22:10
  Speaker 2: I think that might have been the case. I have
• 2:22:12
  Speaker 2: no you know, inside knowledge or anything like that, but
• 2:22:16
  Speaker 2: it just seems it smells like they thought the Patriots
• 2:22:19
  Speaker 2: were going to go after Branch and they moved up.
• 2:22:22
  Speaker 8: No idea, Yeah, no, I don't know, but whether they
• 2:22:25
  Speaker 8: whether whether they thought whether the Patriots were actually going
• 2:22:27
  Speaker 8: to take Brian Branch or not. It is crystal clear
• 2:22:30
  Speaker 8: the Lions thought they might take Brian Branch, right, It's
• 2:22:33
  Speaker 8: a that's that's the bottom line.
• 2:22:35
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 2:22:35
  Speaker 8: We have no intel on whether or not the Patriots
• 2:22:37
  Speaker 8: would have taken him if he was still there at
• 2:22:39
  Speaker 8: forty six, but certainly Detroit thought so. So yeah, I
• 2:22:42
  Speaker 8: mean there's definitely something going on there.
• 2:22:45
  Speaker 37: Definitely, I like Josh Downs. I know they don't want
• 2:22:47
  Speaker 37: to talk about that, but have you guys seen anything
• 2:22:50
  Speaker 37: about at Perry from wake Forest. I'm a huge fan
• 2:22:52
  Speaker 37: of him, and I think I think he'd be a
• 2:22:54
  Speaker 37: good fit.
• 2:22:55
  Speaker 27: For the patch.
• 2:22:56
  Speaker 6: Yeah, he's an interesting receiver.
• 2:22:58
  Speaker 8: I think now you're starting to get into the tech
• 2:23:00
  Speaker 8: territory of the At Perrys of the world third fourth
• 2:23:02
  Speaker 8: round picks. He's a glider, you know. He's a really
• 2:23:05
  Speaker 8: smooth runner, a good vertical route runner, you know, post corner,
• 2:23:10
  Speaker 8: corner routes, things like that. But he's somebody that deuce.
• 2:23:14
  Speaker 8: You don't really like the guys that are like, you know,
• 2:23:17
  Speaker 8: that build up speed, long striders like that's what at
• 2:23:21
  Speaker 8: Perry is.
• 2:23:22
  Speaker 14: Now.
• 2:23:22
  Speaker 8: He was a Shrine Bowl guy, but he played for
• 2:23:24
  Speaker 8: the other team at the Shrine Bowl, not the Patriots
• 2:23:26
  Speaker 8: team at the Shrine Bowl.
• 2:23:27
  Speaker 6: But that's what he is.
• 2:23:28
  Speaker 8: He's a a glider. He just doesn't look like he's
• 2:23:31
  Speaker 8: moving that fast, but he seems to get on guys
• 2:23:33
  Speaker 8: and be able to separate vertically.
• 2:23:37
  Speaker 6: All right, Zach Pickens' pick for the I thought he
• 2:23:41
  Speaker 6: was better like when he wasn't if he was being pressed,
• 2:23:44
  Speaker 6: it looked like he was easily disrupted.
• 2:23:46
  Speaker 8: Yeah, he's a little bit thin, you know. I think
• 2:23:48
  Speaker 8: when we went out there at the Shrine Bowl the
• 2:23:50
  Speaker 8: first day of practice, Alex and I were trying to
• 2:23:53
  Speaker 8: find at Perry because he's the guy that was pretty
• 2:23:55
  Speaker 8: touted in someone that was going to go in the
• 2:23:57
  Speaker 8: top one fifty of the draft, and we saw him,
• 2:24:00
  Speaker 8: we were like, that's a pretty thin, thin guy.
• 2:24:04
  Speaker 2: Eagles have back to back picks.
• 2:24:06
  Speaker 7: The first one is in Yeah, they took Tyler Stein,
• 2:24:08
  Speaker 7: who was an Alabama tackle and I think I think
• 2:24:12
  Speaker 7: during one of the shows this week, you asked us, like,
• 2:24:14
  Speaker 7: who's one player you think will be a Patriot and.
• 2:24:16
  Speaker 6: That was one of the guys we mentioned.
• 2:24:18
  Speaker 7: But yep, yeah, he's I mean, you can't ignore an
• 2:24:21
  Speaker 7: Alabama versatile ala. I mean, Bill O'Brien clearly familiar with him. Yeah,
• 2:24:27
  Speaker 7: you know, it's it's it's they're they're going through guys
• 2:24:29
  Speaker 7: right now. It's it's see, it's just getting carter and
• 2:24:33
  Speaker 7: harder to be like I love this guy, Like, you.
• 2:24:35
  Speaker 8: Know, yeah, I just I remember Bill saying along a
• 2:24:40
  Speaker 8: while ago that one thing in the draft you don't
• 2:24:42
  Speaker 8: want to do is just watch the parade go by, right,
• 2:24:45
  Speaker 8: and and all this talent just kind of comes off
• 2:24:47
  Speaker 8: the board and you're just sitting there waiting to pick
• 2:24:50
  Speaker 8: every time, right, And Tyler Stein's another one of those guys,
• 2:24:54
  Speaker 8: you know, Marvin Mims just went a couple of picks
• 2:24:56
  Speaker 8: ago as well.
• 2:24:57
  Speaker 6: Did they just not like these? Like?
• 2:24:59
  Speaker 8: I can't imagine that they didn't like Tyler Stein. I
• 2:25:01
  Speaker 8: mean he played left tackle four Bill O'Brien and was
• 2:25:04
  Speaker 8: really good at it last year at Alabama. So I
• 2:25:06
  Speaker 8: can't imagine that they didn't have Tyler Steen on the
• 2:25:09
  Speaker 8: board somewhere. So what's what's the what's the snag?
• 2:25:13
  Speaker 17: Right?
• 2:25:14
  Speaker 2: You know what?
• 2:25:14
  Speaker 8: Why why not trade up and go make a trade
• 2:25:17
  Speaker 8: for for a guy like Steen? If you feel like
• 2:25:19
  Speaker 8: he's going to start to go here soon?
• 2:25:21
  Speaker 7: Do you guys can come to you, I'll says.
• 2:25:25
  Speaker 2: The feed went off after an hour. It's dead even
• 2:25:27
  Speaker 2: on your website. Disappointing. Been listening to the show for
• 2:25:29
  Speaker 2: twenty three years and this is the worst. No, just
• 2:25:31
  Speaker 2: the video feed went off at uh nine, eight o'clock.
• 2:25:36
  Speaker 2: But we're still on audio.
• 2:25:37
  Speaker 6: So that's per NFL rules, right, it's not by Yeah.
• 2:25:41
  Speaker 2: So I don't know al if you're I don't know
• 2:25:44
  Speaker 2: if this is a movie because you're not listening anymore,
• 2:25:47
  Speaker 2: but just firing anywhere. I think we're still a right,
• 2:25:51
  Speaker 2: Matt Lapan, he's nodding his head, Yes, okay.
• 2:25:53
  Speaker 6: Good, I mean people are interactive on the show.
• 2:25:56
  Speaker 2: Todd in Nova Scotia. Why does Paul hate good players?
• 2:25:58
  Speaker 2: It's a good question when I ask.
• 2:26:00
  Speaker 6: A lot what good player?
• 2:26:01
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 2:26:04
  Speaker 6: You see what happens? They thought you were if you
• 2:26:05
  Speaker 6: guys spent the whole round trying to get me in
• 2:26:08
  Speaker 6: an argument about Christian Gonzalez and what did I keep
• 2:26:10
  Speaker 6: telling you? I hate going there because I like this
• 2:26:12
  Speaker 6: guy too much, and this is what happens, and and
• 2:26:15
  Speaker 6: and you weren't even the one who killed I'm not
• 2:26:17
  Speaker 6: killing I did not kill him. And I've defended you
• 2:26:23
  Speaker 6: on that because I don't think that you were on
• 2:26:24
  Speaker 6: the ledge about it from him. I don't think he's
• 2:26:30
  Speaker 6: an explosive like edge pass rush, that's all.
• 2:26:33
  Speaker 2: But is it that key on White you don't think
• 2:26:37
  Speaker 2: fits the Patriots or just in today's NFL.
• 2:26:40
  Speaker 8: The second one. He definitely fits the Patriots. He's a
• 2:26:43
  Speaker 8: total He's a total Patriot type of guy. You know,
• 2:26:45
  Speaker 8: talk about play strength, versatility, you know, play playing with
• 2:26:50
  Speaker 8: the hand in the dirt, you know, three four n
• 2:26:52
  Speaker 8: Maybe kick him inside on passing situations if you want
• 2:26:56
  Speaker 8: to try to keep him on the field and have
• 2:26:57
  Speaker 8: him rushed from a three technique. He's definitely a patriot guy.
• 2:27:00
  Speaker 8: The issue that I have with it is that in
• 2:27:02
  Speaker 8: today's NFL, I just don't know if guys that just
• 2:27:05
  Speaker 8: pushed the pocket and hold the point of attack, and like,
• 2:27:08
  Speaker 8: what's the value in that type of player? We talked
• 2:27:12
  Speaker 8: about last night, a ton that Christian Gonzalez helps you
• 2:27:15
  Speaker 8: try to slow down Aaron Rodgers and Josh Allen and
• 2:27:18
  Speaker 8: the Dolphins passing offense by giving you a potential number
• 2:27:23
  Speaker 8: one corner. What Kean White had seven sacks in the
• 2:27:26
  Speaker 8: ACC last year, So what what's the what's the how
• 2:27:31
  Speaker 8: is that going to help you against Josh Allen? And
• 2:27:34
  Speaker 8: maybe it's they have a really good front four now
• 2:27:37
  Speaker 8: that can hold the run and they can play seven
• 2:27:39
  Speaker 8: guys in coverage all the time, and but I just
• 2:27:42
  Speaker 8: I think that that's an antiquated way of thinking about it,
• 2:27:45
  Speaker 8: and I just don't love it for that reason.
• 2:27:48
  Speaker 2: Hold on now, I mean, like playing seven guys all
• 2:27:51
  Speaker 2: the time is you know in the back it is
• 2:27:55
  Speaker 2: important in today's NFL.
• 2:27:56
  Speaker 8: But he doesn't get after the passer, like he's not
• 2:27:59
  Speaker 8: going to be a pass for type of guy. I
• 2:28:00
  Speaker 8: don't think that's that's the whole thing. In today's NFL,
• 2:28:03
  Speaker 8: the guys that that let rack up pressures in sacks
• 2:28:07
  Speaker 8: are guys like Judean guys like guys like a Christian Barmore,
• 2:28:11
  Speaker 8: who have explosiveness to get off the ball quickly, you
• 2:28:13
  Speaker 8: can turn the corner, have flexibility, have multiple pass rush moves.
• 2:28:17
  Speaker 8: Kean White is a bowling ball. You know, he doesn't
• 2:28:20
  Speaker 8: have a counter. He doesn't have that bowling ball is
• 2:28:23
  Speaker 8: a strike.
• 2:28:24
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 2:28:24
  Speaker 7: Well, and I think to to just to like, you know,
• 2:28:26
  Speaker 7: offer a little bit. I mean, he was a tight end,
• 2:28:29
  Speaker 7: you know, so I think he's there's still something to that.
• 2:28:31
  Speaker 7: This is new to the permission to position. He's a
• 2:28:34
  Speaker 7: defensive pier. So you know, I do think that there's
• 2:28:36
  Speaker 7: this the full book hasn't been written yet.
• 2:28:38
  Speaker 6: That's key on one. That's that's where it is. He's
• 2:28:40
  Speaker 6: actually going to play tight end. So they I got
• 2:28:44
  Speaker 6: a weapon.
• 2:28:46
  Speaker 8: I'm really not trying to trash on the kid, but
• 2:28:49
  Speaker 8: I gotta be honest with you. The whole tight end
• 2:28:50
  Speaker 8: thing that I don't care like so so he want
• 2:28:53
  Speaker 8: upon a time played tight end like.
• 2:28:55
  Speaker 6: But they played defensive end for two years. You know,
• 2:28:57
  Speaker 6: all these guys a whole year. You still don't get me, apparently,
• 2:29:01
  Speaker 6: I don't know. That was a total joke. No you
• 2:29:03
  Speaker 6: I God, I know.
• 2:29:06
  Speaker 9: No.
• 2:29:07
  Speaker 6: Well my point was, yeah, Hendon Hooker, so we're not
• 2:29:11
  Speaker 6: taking them, so sorry, Paul. Well, there was like one
• 2:29:13
  Speaker 6: hundred picks to go before we got to us, right.
• 2:29:15
  Speaker 8: No, no, got uh we got eight picks to go
• 2:29:18
  Speaker 8: seventy six.
• 2:29:19
  Speaker 6: It wasn't exactly imminent. The Rams, I think, are coming
• 2:29:21
  Speaker 6: up to the Rams, they would have taken them. Yeah, okay,
• 2:29:27
  Speaker 6: Sexans are now on the clock, so the Rams were
• 2:29:29
  Speaker 6: gonna take Oh so they traded up and now they
• 2:29:31
  Speaker 6: get no. Rams traded out because I think they were
• 2:29:35
  Speaker 6: going to take the quarterback. Oh you think so, I'm
• 2:29:37
  Speaker 6: just making stuff up. Could be, could be, It's good
• 2:29:40
  Speaker 6: for morale. At nine thirty one, a couple of nice
• 2:29:42
  Speaker 6: picks by the Eagles. Though I liked Tylerstein. I like
• 2:29:45
  Speaker 6: Sidney Brown too. Yep, I guess the other the other
• 2:29:48
  Speaker 6: had anois first round defensive back. Yeah.
• 2:29:51
  Speaker 7: I mean sometimes these drafts usually so the Ravens. I
• 2:29:54
  Speaker 7: look at the Ravens draft and I'm like, they got
• 2:29:56
  Speaker 7: all my big board guys, you know, like those like
• 2:29:58
  Speaker 7: for some reason sometimes Raven.
• 2:30:00
  Speaker 8: Last year it was every draft expert Darling, you know,
• 2:30:03
  Speaker 8: Kyle Hamilton in the first round, they hit all the hits,
• 2:30:06
  Speaker 8: you know, they they just got all this consensus mock
• 2:30:10
  Speaker 8: draft guys.
• 2:30:11
  Speaker 7: It is funny though, because it's like, Paul, it's your point,
• 2:30:14
  Speaker 7: what are the Eagles doing drafting guys from Georgia and Alabama?
• 2:30:18
  Speaker 6: Like I mean, it's it's it's not that good football
• 2:30:20
  Speaker 6: players finding a way, you know, figuring out where you're
• 2:30:22
  Speaker 6: gonna put them later. But like that sometimes can be tough.
• 2:30:27
  Speaker 6: Like we were joking around doing some of the draft
• 2:30:30
  Speaker 6: podcasts and we were saying, you know, what, what exactly
• 2:30:34
  Speaker 6: do we think the Patriots going to do? And I
• 2:30:35
  Speaker 6: was like, you know, I know it sounds like a
• 2:30:37
  Speaker 6: rocket shot, but the Patriots have a lot of holes,
• 2:30:40
  Speaker 6: so they can go in a lot of different directions
• 2:30:43
  Speaker 6: and and still fill needs. And that's where I think.
• 2:30:48
  Speaker 6: You know, I'm not going to argue with your board
• 2:30:50
  Speaker 6: because that would be silly for me to try to
• 2:30:52
  Speaker 6: tell you, you know, my board, I don't have a
• 2:30:54
  Speaker 6: board and good reason. There's a good reason for it.
• 2:30:57
  Speaker 6: But you know, so when you take like I think
• 2:31:02
  Speaker 6: you drafted for need and didn't necessarily get the better
• 2:31:06
  Speaker 6: player when you could have got a different position. Like
• 2:31:08
  Speaker 6: I'm not gonna argue that edges in the need I
• 2:31:10
  Speaker 6: think it is, but I think you could argue that
• 2:31:12
  Speaker 6: another position of need would have had a better player available.
• 2:31:15
  Speaker 6: And again, I'm not gonna argue specifics, because that's that's
• 2:31:19
  Speaker 6: stupid if I'm going to try to say, like I
• 2:31:20
  Speaker 6: know more than mac ro and Bill Belichick, like, no,
• 2:31:23
  Speaker 6: I don't. Obviously there's a reason I don't get paid
• 2:31:25
  Speaker 6: to do that. You know, I don't know what I'm
• 2:31:27
  Speaker 6: talking about, But that's just how I looked at it
• 2:31:29
  Speaker 6: from the outside.
• 2:31:31
  Speaker 8: I just think that looking at some of the guys
• 2:31:33
  Speaker 8: that went in, like the the late thirties and early forties,
• 2:31:37
  Speaker 8: it seemed like a lot of guys that you know,
• 2:31:39
  Speaker 8: I liked, and I know, Deuce you liked a couple
• 2:31:41
  Speaker 8: of these guys too, just went in that range. And
• 2:31:45
  Speaker 8: maybe the trade up partner wasn't there, or maybe they
• 2:31:49
  Speaker 8: just didn't feel as strongly about those guys as we did,
• 2:31:52
  Speaker 8: or as I did. You know, a guy like Derek Hall,
• 2:31:55
  Speaker 8: like Matthew bergeron Mingo Fosky, Ojulari, those guys just went
• 2:31:59
  Speaker 8: and now thirty seven to forty one range, and maybe
• 2:32:04
  Speaker 8: they preferred Keon White. Maybe they they liked them all
• 2:32:08
  Speaker 8: in the same tier. You know, I had them in
• 2:32:09
  Speaker 8: similar tiers too. I just preferred those other players a
• 2:32:13
  Speaker 8: little bit more. But that's the draft, right, I mean,
• 2:32:16
  Speaker 8: I I can't sit here and tell you that I
• 2:32:18
  Speaker 8: think that Keon White was We're not gonna I don't
• 2:32:22
  Speaker 8: know if we're going to hear that the Patriots behind
• 2:32:24
  Speaker 8: the scenes are ecstatic that they got Keon White in
• 2:32:27
  Speaker 8: the second round. They were ecstatic about getting Christian Gonzales last.
• 2:32:32
  Speaker 6: That's a fair way of looking at it.
• 2:32:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Walter Football says the Patriots had worst draft source
• 2:32:38
  Speaker 2: have numerous expiring contracts at defensive end the next couple
• 2:32:41
  Speaker 2: of years, so they had to find a pass rusher
• 2:32:43
  Speaker 2: for the long haul. Keon White had a slight chance
• 2:32:47
  Speaker 2: to be a first round pick. So I think this
• 2:32:49
  Speaker 2: is a great value pick for Bill Belichick, who was
• 2:32:51
  Speaker 2: having a great draft thus far.
• 2:32:55
  Speaker 7: No one name just to mention to you, Evan, Yeah,
• 2:32:57
  Speaker 7: Jalen Hyatt, Oh boy, I mean that, I like, I
• 2:33:01
  Speaker 7: don't know, I'm not saying that this point for the Patriots.
• 2:33:03
  Speaker 6: I'm just saying this was a guy some people had
• 2:33:05
  Speaker 6: in the first round. Yeah, some people are very high
• 2:33:07
  Speaker 6: on Jalen Hyatt.
• 2:33:08
  Speaker 8: I'm just you know, I don't want to take too
• 2:33:10
  Speaker 8: many victory laps, but I I really did not see
• 2:33:13
  Speaker 8: it with Jalen Hyatt, and I had him below a
• 2:33:16
  Speaker 8: lot of the guys that have already been off the board.
• 2:33:19
  Speaker 8: So Marvin Mims, that was like my big draft take
• 2:33:22
  Speaker 8: with the receivers that I would have taken Marvin Mims
• 2:33:24
  Speaker 8: over Jalen Hyade in the league, took Marvin Mims over
• 2:33:26
  Speaker 8: Jalen High.
• 2:33:27
  Speaker 6: And I would counter with like Tank Dell just when
• 2:33:30
  Speaker 6: Tank that's another one of those small, like productive guys
• 2:33:34
  Speaker 6: is going to be whatever Josh down exactly.
• 2:33:37
  Speaker 8: I don't know that's where I was going to kill,
• 2:33:39
  Speaker 8: So okay, don't say that I don't know what right.
• 2:33:43
  Speaker 6: And that would be different if there's like some kind
• 2:33:44
  Speaker 6: of Darnell Washington situation going on with him that we
• 2:33:47
  Speaker 6: haven't learned about, you know, that would explain it has
• 2:33:50
  Speaker 6: to be.
• 2:33:52
  Speaker 8: There has to be for him to not go over
• 2:33:54
  Speaker 8: Tank Dell, like that's the sime very like the size
• 2:33:58
  Speaker 8: sixty pounds, you can't say.
• 2:33:59
  Speaker 6: Size any more.
• 2:34:00
  Speaker 8: And he played better in a bigger conference than Tank Dell,
• 2:34:03
  Speaker 8: so at some point that there has to be some
• 2:34:07
  Speaker 8: common sense if there's some red flags here.
• 2:34:09
  Speaker 2: Adam says, they're beefing up the defense. I love it,
• 2:34:12
  Speaker 2: bringing it back to the beginning of the early two
• 2:34:14
  Speaker 2: thousands when the Super Bowls were won on the back
• 2:34:17
  Speaker 2: of the defense, before they knew who Brady would become.
• 2:34:20
  Speaker 2: Great show fellas, keep.
• 2:34:21
  Speaker 6: It up off.
• 2:34:22
  Speaker 8: They're bringing it back to the early two thousand run.
• 2:34:25
  Speaker 8: The game has not changed it all since then.
• 2:34:26
  Speaker 6: Oh boy, Paul, you got the sarcasm, you got the
• 2:34:34
  Speaker 6: alarm on there. It takes one since it.
• 2:34:38
  Speaker 2: Let's see, John says, what was wrong with taking offensive
• 2:34:41
  Speaker 2: tackle Broderick Jones with the fourteenth pick? Guess they want
• 2:34:45
  Speaker 2: to get mac Jones killed again this year?
• 2:34:47
  Speaker 8: Some football character another one? How much does he want it?
• 2:34:51
  Speaker 6: Fred? They could have taken him. But are you unhappy
• 2:34:54
  Speaker 6: that they took Christian Gonzales? Yeah, no, I'm not the
• 2:34:59
  Speaker 6: other buyer Young, not exactly.
• 2:35:01
  Speaker 8: No, I really thought the Tennessee version of Byron Young
• 2:35:04
  Speaker 8: was better than the Actually, I like how the Byron
• 2:35:09
  Speaker 8: I didn't love. I didn't mind either, Brian yet Bottom
• 2:35:11
  Speaker 8: Cameron Young though not a Cameron young guy.
• 2:35:16
  Speaker 2: Robin San Diego via Connecticut. Is the dread beginning to
• 2:35:20
  Speaker 2: set in over the fact that Juju and Kasiki might
• 2:35:23
  Speaker 2: have been the offensive moves. Are there any receivers left
• 2:35:26
  Speaker 2: that move the needle? And if not, what does that mean?
• 2:35:30
  Speaker 8: I am disappointed in uh if this is how it
• 2:35:33
  Speaker 8: goes and we get what was it the twenty twenty
• 2:35:36
  Speaker 8: draft where they came out and they said, well, we
• 2:35:38
  Speaker 8: traded a second for some new and we drafted Harry
• 2:35:40
  Speaker 8: in the first round, So we passed on receiver all
• 2:35:43
  Speaker 8: the way to Trey Nixon in the sixth or seventh
• 2:35:45
  Speaker 8: round or whatever. If that's if that's what we do
• 2:35:49
  Speaker 8: this year, then I'm going to be disappointed in Macro
• 2:35:51
  Speaker 8: because I feel like Macro gets the receiver market. He
• 2:35:55
  Speaker 8: every time we talked to him, it sounds like he
• 2:35:57
  Speaker 8: understands that these are now premium players that you have
• 2:36:00
  Speaker 8: to invest real capital in to go and get. And
• 2:36:03
  Speaker 8: I like Juju Smith Schuster. I pounded the table for
• 2:36:05
  Speaker 8: him when they signed him. But that's that's not real capital.
• 2:36:08
  Speaker 8: Come on, that's that's the middle of the road receiver contract.
• 2:36:12
  Speaker 8: That's not that's not paying a guy twenty five million
• 2:36:14
  Speaker 8: dollars a year. It's it's wide receiver to money in
• 2:36:17
  Speaker 8: today's NFL. And they didn't take one in the top
• 2:36:20
  Speaker 8: one hundred. Let's see if they do now. But if
• 2:36:22
  Speaker 8: they don't, then that's the second guest to me.
• 2:36:24
  Speaker 2: But if they take nine receivers tomorrow, I.
• 2:36:28
  Speaker 6: Hopefully they find one of those nine that.
• 2:36:30
  Speaker 2: I mean, they just.
• 2:36:32
  Speaker 6: Want to get crazy.
• 2:36:33
  Speaker 2: Let's get crazy.
• 2:36:34
  Speaker 8: To be fair, I wouldn't totally rule out like a
• 2:36:39
  Speaker 8: Day three double dip at receiver on two guys that
• 2:36:42
  Speaker 8: they like. But in this class, that's just not a
• 2:36:44
  Speaker 8: great receiver class. And they take Charlie Jones and and
• 2:36:48
  Speaker 8: you know somebody, Bryce Ford, we in your guy? Then like, okay,
• 2:36:51
  Speaker 8: Then at least they got some guys in the building
• 2:36:53
  Speaker 8: that we we can say have some potential to play
• 2:36:58
  Speaker 8: a starter roll down the line for the Patriot.
• 2:37:00
  Speaker 6: It's that. That's that's a I'm at the bare minimum
• 2:37:03
  Speaker 6: at this point with.
• 2:37:03
  Speaker 2: That, Todd says, I'm preparing myself for bill a draft
• 2:37:06
  Speaker 2: six more defensive players and two running backs just to
• 2:37:09
  Speaker 2: make everyone's head explode.
• 2:37:10
  Speaker 6: I don't say that.
• 2:37:11
  Speaker 2: Wow, what people just turned huh?
• 2:37:14
  Speaker 6: It is funny, and I was just thinking back to
• 2:37:16
  Speaker 6: like the old days. It's the trade. Like I think
• 2:37:19
  Speaker 6: everybody saw the move last night as setting up the
• 2:37:22
  Speaker 6: ability to get up and get an extra second. You
• 2:37:26
  Speaker 6: get some extra thirds or now you're like, well if
• 2:37:31
  Speaker 6: you move up and make a trade, now you're getting
• 2:37:33
  Speaker 6: a guy who might project to be a contributing player. Yeah,
• 2:37:36
  Speaker 6: like you're not, Like, I'm not telling you that. Like
• 2:37:38
  Speaker 6: I'm on Saint Brown was what like a fourth or
• 2:37:40
  Speaker 6: fifth round pick. I'm not telling you that that never happens.
• 2:37:44
  Speaker 6: But you're going to draft a wide receiver now and
• 2:37:47
  Speaker 6: say plug him in. He's going to be like the
• 2:37:49
  Speaker 6: the two. You know, he's going to catch eighty balls
• 2:37:52
  Speaker 6: for you. No, it's nothing.
• 2:37:53
  Speaker 7: I mean not expecting that at the point. This is
• 2:37:55
  Speaker 7: a third round pick.
• 2:37:56
  Speaker 8: The only guy that I think that can do that
• 2:37:58
  Speaker 8: is Downs. But I think clearly there's something that league
• 2:38:00
  Speaker 8: knows about Downs that we don't know, and we'll find out.
• 2:38:03
  Speaker 8: You know, we found out about Darnell Washington, so we'll
• 2:38:05
  Speaker 8: find out.
• 2:38:05
  Speaker 7: I would say at this point, like the best I
• 2:38:07
  Speaker 7: don't want to say best case scenario, but the most
• 2:38:09
  Speaker 7: likely scenario is that you're getting a developmental tackle. You're
• 2:38:12
  Speaker 7: getting a third tight end who's going to develop and
• 2:38:15
  Speaker 7: maybe you know, contribute next year. To start, You're going
• 2:38:17
  Speaker 7: to get us an undersized slot receiver who maybe your
• 2:38:20
  Speaker 7: fifth receiver this year and maybe gets on the field.
• 2:38:22
  Speaker 7: Maybe you know, a lot of maybe and and and
• 2:38:25
  Speaker 7: a lot of like and then shots on safety, you know,
• 2:38:29
  Speaker 7: interior offensive line.
• 2:38:30
  Speaker 6: I mean, there's there's not a lot to get excited about.
• 2:38:33
  Speaker 7: Maybe there's a running back out there that that you
• 2:38:34
  Speaker 7: could say, hey, maybe this guy can contribute, if you
• 2:38:36
  Speaker 7: could beat out Time Montgomery.
• 2:38:37
  Speaker 6: But but you're not. At this point in the draft.
• 2:38:40
  Speaker 7: It's hard to say any of these guys that they
• 2:38:41
  Speaker 7: select are going to be true impact players at this time.
• 2:38:44
  Speaker 8: I do think there are some tackles that that could
• 2:38:47
  Speaker 8: I think Dwan Jones, whatever reason he's falling, to me,
• 2:38:50
  Speaker 8: he is a Patriot right tackle, like he could start
• 2:38:52
  Speaker 8: at right tackle for them as a rookie. I'm sure
• 2:38:55
  Speaker 8: they like Blake Friedland, He's too much their type. Wanya
• 2:38:58
  Speaker 8: Morris from Oklahoma, Nick aw the Vary from Old Dominion.
• 2:39:01
  Speaker 8: I think those tackles have a chance to be a
• 2:39:05
  Speaker 8: double dip situation. Maybe that's something I've thrown out, you know,
• 2:39:08
  Speaker 8: third and fourth round double dip on tackle like they
• 2:39:10
  Speaker 8: did on corner last year, and maybe they hit on
• 2:39:13
  Speaker 8: one of the two guys, or if you get really lucky,
• 2:39:15
  Speaker 8: you hit on both. I still think tackle has some
• 2:39:18
  Speaker 8: guys in here that that can play.
• 2:39:21
  Speaker 2: Paul and Arkansas says, I think Keon is a decently
• 2:39:24
  Speaker 2: fine pick. I just saw that he had the fifteenth
• 2:39:27
  Speaker 2: highest RAS for a defensive tackle dating back to nineteen
• 2:39:30
  Speaker 2: eighty seven.
• 2:39:31
  Speaker 8: What's ris relative athletic score?
• 2:39:34
  Speaker 2: Okay, Oush may or may not be here past this year,
• 2:39:37
  Speaker 2: and cup midway through the season. I predict Kean will
• 2:39:40
  Speaker 2: be starting over Usha.
• 2:39:44
  Speaker 6: That wouldn't be much. It's not the same.
• 2:39:46
  Speaker 2: Playoff six foot five, two hundred and eighty pounds and
• 2:39:48
  Speaker 2: runs a four to seven forty.
• 2:39:50
  Speaker 6: Not bad.
• 2:39:50
  Speaker 2: Let's see what we do in the next round.
• 2:39:52
  Speaker 6: He also might start over Marcus Jones. That's here's the thing.
• 2:39:56
  Speaker 6: They don't play the same position.
• 2:39:58
  Speaker 8: Thank you, Yes, okay, they don't play the same position,
• 2:40:00
  Speaker 8: So don't If that's how they're going to sell the pick,
• 2:40:03
  Speaker 8: and I'm not saying they are, but if that's how
• 2:40:05
  Speaker 8: we are going to sell the pick, is that they're
• 2:40:07
  Speaker 8: drafting Keon White to replace josh U j when they
• 2:40:10
  Speaker 8: don't pay Joshua.
• 2:40:11
  Speaker 6: They didn't get that type of guy.
• 2:40:13
  Speaker 7: No, I mean, and honestly, I'm just I'm just putting
• 2:40:15
  Speaker 7: this out there. I'm not saying I believe it will
• 2:40:16
  Speaker 7: happen because we've seen nothing from this guy. But it
• 2:40:19
  Speaker 7: seems more likely to me that if were to walk
• 2:40:21
  Speaker 7: that maybe there's a chance that they believe Ronnie Perkins
• 2:40:23
  Speaker 7: could just come in and be that passbrusher guy. I'm
• 2:40:26
  Speaker 7: not expecting anything out of him. He's been a total whiff,
• 2:40:29
  Speaker 7: but he's that kind of guy. That's what that's so much.
• 2:40:33
  Speaker 7: That's why I did. He can't even get a round,
• 2:40:34
  Speaker 7: he can't get a Repid training camp, but they must
• 2:40:37
  Speaker 7: have saw something in them.
• 2:40:39
  Speaker 2: Fred and Limington Maine Way watch every Bruin's playoff game
• 2:40:46
  Speaker 2: with Paul.
• 2:40:47
  Speaker 6: It's weird watching the same.
• 2:40:51
  Speaker 2: Fred and Limington made way too much overreacting after only
• 2:40:54
  Speaker 2: two picks, one of which was tremendous. Last year, the
• 2:40:58
  Speaker 2: Patriots got solid Country abus Is from the third and
• 2:41:01
  Speaker 2: fourth round picks.
• 2:41:01
  Speaker 8: Wait and relax, Okay, I'm relaxed.
• 2:41:05
  Speaker 6: I'm relaxed to the Raders draft the other Byron Young.
• 2:41:07
  Speaker 6: I want to be Love the Other Byron The Other
• 2:41:10
  Speaker 6: Byron Young. I like both Byron Young's.
• 2:41:12
  Speaker 2: But I really like that.
• 2:41:16
  Speaker 8: Tennessee Byron Alabama. Yeah, Alabama Byron Young.
• 2:41:20
  Speaker 2: That's old Byron stan and trust Stanton Shrewsbury last night
• 2:41:25
  Speaker 2: was universally lauded. Tonight, Bill Belichick has return to an old,
• 2:41:29
  Speaker 2: ineffectual coach. Media and fans are so much more knowledgeable
• 2:41:33
  Speaker 2: than Bill. So tiresome, I'll stick with Bill. There you
• 2:41:37
  Speaker 2: go for me.
• 2:41:39
  Speaker 6: He turned on you. They're trying to poke me. Yeah, okay.
• 2:41:45
  Speaker 2: Zach in Springfield says there was a report that Dion
• 2:41:48
  Speaker 2: White is keon Sorry White, Yeah, I'd like to pick
• 2:41:55
  Speaker 2: I like the other. D There was a report that
• 2:41:58
  Speaker 2: White is planning to open his own bowling alley to
• 2:42:00
  Speaker 2: become financially secure.
• 2:42:02
  Speaker 6: Cool. Oh, I have no problem with any of that stuff.
• 2:42:05
  Speaker 6: Like a kid, I like, people wouldn't hold that. I
• 2:42:08
  Speaker 6: wouldn't hold any of that interests. And when I mean,
• 2:42:11
  Speaker 6: you know, you gotta do the Gronk right. Gronk like
• 2:42:13
  Speaker 6: lived off of his endorsements and just what banked all
• 2:42:16
  Speaker 6: of his NFL salary.
• 2:42:17
  Speaker 8: Like I just want to keep reiterating my take because
• 2:42:20
  Speaker 8: I feel like people think I might have to do that,
• 2:42:22
  Speaker 8: but you have to do it. I have to keep
• 2:42:23
  Speaker 8: reiterating it. I think Kean White is a fine player.
• 2:42:26
  Speaker 6: I don't.
• 2:42:27
  Speaker 8: I don't get excited about Keon White. That's just me personally.
• 2:42:30
  Speaker 8: I think he can play a role on this defense.
• 2:42:32
  Speaker 8: I think he fits the defense, and I think he
• 2:42:34
  Speaker 8: can play a role on the defense. But I was
• 2:42:37
  Speaker 8: elated about Christian Gonzalez yesterday and this just doesn't This
• 2:42:41
  Speaker 8: doesn't do it for me. I don't get all warm
• 2:42:42
  Speaker 8: and fuzzy inside, that's all.
• 2:42:44
  Speaker 7: And I would say I feel some I mean, we
• 2:42:45
  Speaker 7: said it before they picked him, you know, I said
• 2:42:48
  Speaker 7: exactly that we saw. Somebody said he looks like a fit.
• 2:42:50
  Speaker 6: I watched it.
• 2:42:50
  Speaker 7: I didn't really see, you know, a great fit. I'll
• 2:42:53
  Speaker 7: just say this put my fan hat on. I love
• 2:42:55
  Speaker 7: the defense. I love watching defensive football. There's a small
• 2:42:57
  Speaker 7: part of me that's always going to be intrigued by
• 2:42:59
  Speaker 7: a guy that has these kind of traits to see,
• 2:43:01
  Speaker 7: you know, how potentially might work out. I don't know
• 2:43:03
  Speaker 7: that it will. I definitely feel somewhat like a little
• 2:43:06
  Speaker 7: bit underwhelmed, and I feel like the circus is or
• 2:43:09
  Speaker 7: the parade is passing us by someone.
• 2:43:11
  Speaker 2: It's nine three.
• 2:43:13
  Speaker 6: Do you know where your child?
• 2:43:14
  Speaker 2: The Cardinals pick is in at U seventy two.
• 2:43:17
  Speaker 8: The Giants are on the clock. They traded up the Giants.
• 2:43:20
  Speaker 6: The Rams are like trading out of all their picks.
• 2:43:23
  Speaker 6: I think they're kind of back in that f the
• 2:43:25
  Speaker 6: picks face because it seems like they're trading Donald. Well.
• 2:43:28
  Speaker 8: There there were definitely teams that felt like this draft
• 2:43:31
  Speaker 8: sticky poo poo, And.
• 2:43:32
  Speaker 2: Then can I finish what I was gonna say? Sorry,
• 2:43:34
  Speaker 2: the Patriots are at thirteen. So what we'll do here?
• 2:43:37
  Speaker 2: And are you listening, Matt Lapan and Matt Morrell. We'll
• 2:43:40
  Speaker 2: stay on the air until the Patriots make their pick.
• 2:43:43
  Speaker 2: It might come a little after.
• 2:43:45
  Speaker 6: It's not in my pay grade. The Bruins game is
• 2:43:48
  Speaker 6: going down the stretch.
• 2:43:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but I I it seems silly to go off there.
• 2:43:53
  Speaker 6: Absolutely, we do it. We do whatever year.
• 2:43:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so we'll stay. We'll stay with you until.
• 2:43:57
  Speaker 6: We're gonna make a trade. Oh boy, you can grade down.
• 2:44:00
  Speaker 8: Yeah, well, I could see them trading back up into
• 2:44:03
  Speaker 8: the third round and drafting two guys.
• 2:44:05
  Speaker 6: They're gonna trade the third round pick for seven fourths
• 2:44:07
  Speaker 6: and they're gonna just have the entire fourth round.
• 2:44:09
  Speaker 8: I could see them trading two fourth round picks to
• 2:44:11
  Speaker 8: get back up the night and draft two guys.
• 2:44:13
  Speaker 6: I hope that they do.
• 2:44:14
  Speaker 7: I mean, and that's you know, we talked so much
• 2:44:16
  Speaker 7: about this draft, and that was a big thing for me,
• 2:44:18
  Speaker 7: was you've got all these fourth round picks. Last night
• 2:44:20
  Speaker 7: they got another one, get you know, a handful of
• 2:44:23
  Speaker 7: top fifty sixty picks. You know, don't just end up
• 2:44:26
  Speaker 7: with Gonzales. Love it, great question, defensive end front guy.
• 2:44:31
  Speaker 7: Like I just I feel like they're one or two
• 2:44:33
  Speaker 7: picks away. They could get two more picks in this
• 2:44:35
  Speaker 7: round and get fill some needs.
• 2:44:36
  Speaker 2: Then you like Phil Perry here, right, Yeah, love love Phil.
• 2:44:39
  Speaker 2: Love Phil Perry.
• 2:44:40
  Speaker 6: He's a really good musician, Phil Perry says.
• 2:44:42
  Speaker 2: According to at Football Underscore Ciss Big Board, the Patriots
• 2:44:47
  Speaker 2: now have the number eight player in the draft, Christian
• 2:44:50
  Speaker 2: Gonzalez in number twenty nine Keon White. At Move the
• 2:44:54
  Speaker 2: Sticks had Gonzalez as his number ten. White was his
• 2:44:57
  Speaker 2: number twenty eight. Both prototypical Patriots, both physical specimens, both
• 2:45:02
  Speaker 2: scheme fits.
• 2:45:04
  Speaker 6: Yeah, that's that's yeah, that's Phil PERI don't touch hockey.
• 2:45:08
  Speaker 6: Jesus sorry, I don't know about the rankings, but the
• 2:45:11
  Speaker 6: descriptions are fair. I would say, right, I do, and.
• 2:45:13
  Speaker 7: Like to this point, like you just can't retroactively do it. Look,
• 2:45:15
  Speaker 7: they got these guys, let's see how they play, Like,
• 2:45:18
  Speaker 7: you know, like we can talk about this guy had
• 2:45:20
  Speaker 7: him as the number one player in the whole league.
• 2:45:22
  Speaker 6: So like, you know, I'm gonna argue against the other
• 2:45:24
  Speaker 6: thing that you know, the whole like antiquated ty Warren
• 2:45:28
  Speaker 6: comp Well, he's about twenty pounds lighter than Taiwan at least. Yeah,
• 2:45:31
  Speaker 6: maybe he's that much faster and quicker, and he's not
• 2:45:34
  Speaker 6: like this throwback to the early two thousands player. Yeah,
• 2:45:38
  Speaker 6: you know, and we'll see that when.
• 2:45:39
  Speaker 8: We There's absolutely no doubt that he is a scheme fit,
• 2:45:44
  Speaker 8: and there's no doubt that he can play a role
• 2:45:46
  Speaker 8: in this defense.
• 2:45:47
  Speaker 2: You just don't like the scheme.
• 2:45:49
  Speaker 8: I No, I'm just not crazy about the player. It's
• 2:45:52
  Speaker 8: not one of my guys in this draft.
• 2:45:54
  Speaker 6: That's it.
• 2:45:54
  Speaker 8: And maybe I'm wrong, and maybe I hope, I hope
• 2:45:57
  Speaker 8: I'm wrong. I hope that they end up being right
• 2:45:59
  Speaker 8: and he I think he's gonna be a fine player.
• 2:46:02
  Speaker 8: I personally feel like they have enough. Fine, I'm looking for.
• 2:46:06
  Speaker 2: A little bit, but you're not gonna get that.
• 2:46:08
  Speaker 8: I think you could have gotten it with some of
• 2:46:10
  Speaker 8: those guys. Yeah, maybe not. It's not like a guarantee.
• 2:46:14
  Speaker 8: Nothing as a guarantee. Yeah, but I think some of
• 2:46:16
  Speaker 8: these other guys that went, like in the eight to
• 2:46:18
  Speaker 8: ten picks before them, had the upside to maybe be
• 2:46:21
  Speaker 8: more than fine. I think Keon White, you ended up
• 2:46:25
  Speaker 8: with the guy that probably has the highest floor but
• 2:46:28
  Speaker 8: has probably the lowest ceiling.
• 2:46:29
  Speaker 2: Ke On White. This is Caleb and Knotsville has the
• 2:46:32
  Speaker 2: frame to be a game wrecker. I don't know about
• 2:46:34
  Speaker 2: explosive this, and I just learned this guy existed an
• 2:46:37
  Speaker 2: hour ago. Let's not overreact. It's not a flashy pick,
• 2:46:40
  Speaker 2: but he might be a contributor soon.
• 2:46:44
  Speaker 7: I don't I mean, I don't totally rule it out.
• 2:46:46
  Speaker 7: I mean, it's just you never know what's gonna happen.
• 2:46:49
  Speaker 7: I mean, I hear everything everybody's saying, but at the
• 2:46:52
  Speaker 7: same time, I just right now, for me, the focus
• 2:46:54
  Speaker 7: is getting an offensive player. And then these next few
• 2:46:57
  Speaker 7: picks and kind of getting back on track, and Hyatt
• 2:47:01
  Speaker 7: went to the Giants by the way.
• 2:47:02
  Speaker 6: Oh good, let's go. Oh no, okay, as long sixteen minutes. Way.
• 2:47:12
  Speaker 6: Wait a second, Wait a second. Did the guy that
• 2:47:14
  Speaker 6: can't score goals score again? Oh?
• 2:47:17
  Speaker 2: My good?
• 2:47:18
  Speaker 6: I don't think so. I think this was macab he
• 2:47:21
  Speaker 6: went down the line first it was I thought it
• 2:47:24
  Speaker 6: was macim Oh, yeah, but I didn't. This was an
• 2:47:27
  Speaker 6: empty net though. And again, I think you can saying
• 2:47:30
  Speaker 6: that if you keep saying that. But no one ever
• 2:47:32
  Speaker 6: said that a guy with sixty scoring goals. I I
• 2:47:35
  Speaker 6: hadn't heard that. I heard, actually the criticism does. I
• 2:47:40
  Speaker 6: heard that he disappeared in this series and he's got
• 2:47:44
  Speaker 6: two goals.
• 2:47:45
  Speaker 7: I don't have any use for players who yeah, suddenly,
• 2:47:47
  Speaker 7: all you have to do is have one good game
• 2:47:49
  Speaker 7: and that you know when that.
• 2:47:52
  Speaker 6: Is to get you over the hump to close out
• 2:47:54
  Speaker 6: the series. I'm good with it. It's the JD. Drew baby,
• 2:47:57
  Speaker 6: I'm all right, Okay, that says a lot about you.
• 2:48:01
  Speaker 6: A good play. I like because he had one draft.
• 2:48:05
  Speaker 2: I think I always thought pastern was pretty good.
• 2:48:07
  Speaker 6: I do. I mean, I think I think you out.
• 2:48:11
  Speaker 6: I know a lot of people have them. You gotta
• 2:48:13
  Speaker 6: have some guys that just scored just nine and a
• 2:48:15
  Speaker 6: half million doesn't buy you what it used to. Come on.
• 2:48:18
  Speaker 2: Uh, so the Browns pick is in. We don't know
• 2:48:21
  Speaker 2: who it is yet, let's find out they are eleven.
• 2:48:25
  Speaker 2: Patriots are sitting at thirteen. So we're getting close to
• 2:48:29
  Speaker 2: the Patriots pick.
• 2:48:30
  Speaker 6: We're on the not you like in the hole you
• 2:48:33
  Speaker 6: were on deck? Yeah, okay, we're actually on deck.
• 2:48:36
  Speaker 14: Yeah.
• 2:48:36
  Speaker 8: Atlanta is on the clock because Cleveland already made the pick.
• 2:48:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so we're on deck.
• 2:48:41
  Speaker 6: Who'd the Lands take? I don't know they said.
• 2:48:43
  Speaker 8: People are saying good pick by the Browns, but not
• 2:48:45
  Speaker 8: actually telling me who the freaking.
• 2:48:47
  Speaker 6: Brown Browns took.
• 2:48:48
  Speaker 7: Cedric Tillman, Wow, that the Tennessee guys go back to back.
• 2:48:52
  Speaker 7: I'll take my ball and go ahead, I'll take.
• 2:48:55
  Speaker 6: My I wanted them. I don't get quite as excited
• 2:48:59
  Speaker 6: about you guys. Do what I kind of want. Tucker
• 2:49:02
  Speaker 6: Craft is still there, Tucker Craft. Tucker Craft would Okay,
• 2:49:05
  Speaker 6: so we.
• 2:49:06
  Speaker 2: Got we're on deck. Who who do you want?
• 2:49:08
  Speaker 6: I honestly, who do you want with this? Posh Downs, Crash, Downs,
• 2:49:13
  Speaker 6: Crafter Downs.
• 2:49:14
  Speaker 2: You gotta take Craft.
• 2:49:15
  Speaker 6: I would also take Washington. I'm fine with Downs now
• 2:49:18
  Speaker 6: now I would also would Washington.
• 2:49:21
  Speaker 8: Now you know that's the guy if he if he
• 2:49:25
  Speaker 8: has one contract in those knees, I'm it's worth it
• 2:49:28
  Speaker 8: at this point, especially in this class.
• 2:49:29
  Speaker 6: I mean you definitely feel this is.
• 2:49:32
  Speaker 8: Going to get the hattie. Oh come on, Oh that
• 2:49:35
  Speaker 8: would have been the best.
• 2:49:37
  Speaker 6: Uh was I gonna say? Oh what I'll tell you,
• 2:49:42
  Speaker 6: per capita per show. No one has sworn more in
• 2:49:45
  Speaker 6: this program than Mike. I didn't score. Oh yeah, I
• 2:49:49
  Speaker 6: just did.
• 2:49:50
  Speaker 2: That's he said.
• 2:49:51
  Speaker 6: Shoot, don't s h I t is not except he
• 2:49:54
  Speaker 6: didn't say fudge. That's all right, that's all right, we'll
• 2:49:57
  Speaker 6: see we're on the internet. We can would have the
• 2:50:00
  Speaker 6: Patriots are on deck right now. Correct, the Patriots are
• 2:50:04
  Speaker 6: on they're on the clock.
• 2:50:06
  Speaker 8: Yeah, I think the Patriots are on the clock.
• 2:50:09
  Speaker 2: So how about John Michael Schmidt's he already he already went, went.
• 2:50:16
  Speaker 8: Is your b yu tackle still there? Baked him? I
• 2:50:20
  Speaker 8: do yeah, good athlete, good senior bowl, Okay, senior.
• 2:50:23
  Speaker 6: Bush and good. He was fine at we got you
• 2:50:27
  Speaker 6: not really solid me.
• 2:50:29
  Speaker 8: No, he's a he's a good I told you sposed
• 2:50:31
  Speaker 8: to sell me on the I told you he's Nate
• 2:50:32
  Speaker 8: sold her two point Oh. I know that like you
• 2:50:34
  Speaker 8: guys that remember Nate sold her a little bit better
• 2:50:36
  Speaker 8: than I do because he was a fine He's a fine,
• 2:50:40
  Speaker 8: above average player. Yeah, I think Blake Freeland has got
• 2:50:44
  Speaker 8: that kind of skills.
• 2:50:45
  Speaker 6: That's it's more developmental, though. You're probably not plugging him
• 2:50:48
  Speaker 6: in as a starter, right third round?
• 2:50:50
  Speaker 8: Well, I would say yes and no because he is
• 2:50:54
  Speaker 8: an older guy. H you know, b Yu, you know
• 2:50:56
  Speaker 8: how that works. He's not quite like totally b Yu.
• 2:50:59
  Speaker 8: I think he's like twenty three. He's not like a
• 2:51:01
  Speaker 8: twenty five year old rookie like some of the guys
• 2:51:03
  Speaker 8: out of by you are. But he's already kind of
• 2:51:05
  Speaker 8: a finished guy. You know, He's made a lot of
• 2:51:07
  Speaker 8: starts in college. He played at the Senior Bowl. I
• 2:51:10
  Speaker 8: think that you're not really necessarily looking at it as
• 2:51:12
  Speaker 8: a totally developmental pick.
• 2:51:17
  Speaker 2: Falcons pick is in. Do we know who they pick?
• 2:51:21
  Speaker 2: Any tips out there?
• 2:51:22
  Speaker 11: No?
• 2:51:22
  Speaker 6: But we four four?
• 2:51:25
  Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, my goodness, what's going on with this guy?
• 2:51:27
  Speaker 6: Ye drums like an NBA game. I just lost my buzz. So, uh,
• 2:51:32
  Speaker 6: it looks like the Patriots pick is out, and uh,
• 2:51:35
  Speaker 6: I don't know who this guy is. Henry McKenna says
• 2:51:37
  Speaker 6: the Patriots set to take linebacker Marty Mapho. Okay, I
• 2:51:41
  Speaker 6: do know that.
• 2:51:42
  Speaker 8: Uh not sucker, I'm gonna be honest with you. Not
• 2:51:45
  Speaker 8: somebody that I did a whole lot of homework on.
• 2:51:48
  Speaker 6: But I do know who he is. So there's that.
• 2:51:50
  Speaker 6: That's all I can give you. Well, I'm just gonna
• 2:51:52
  Speaker 6: I'm just gonna say this, and this is meant to
• 2:51:54
  Speaker 6: be a compliment. If it's a guy that you hadn't
• 2:51:57
  Speaker 6: heard of, we might as well all just pack up
• 2:51:59
  Speaker 6: ship and home. He is somebody that I had heard of.
• 2:52:02
  Speaker 8: He is somebody that has like you know, Niche Draft
• 2:52:06
  Speaker 8: Twitter It kind of really likes Marty map Who a
• 2:52:09
  Speaker 8: little bit. I honestly, I think that he's somebody that
• 2:52:13
  Speaker 8: a lot of people are like, yeah, maybe he can
• 2:52:16
  Speaker 8: play on defense, but like special teams might really be
• 2:52:19
  Speaker 8: his home in the NFL.
• 2:52:21
  Speaker 6: So this is an interesting pick.
• 2:52:23
  Speaker 8: I think he's a pure inside linebacker from what I
• 2:52:26
  Speaker 8: can remember of the pick, just to you know, kind
• 2:52:30
  Speaker 8: of a Patriots typical type of guy. So, yeah, it's
• 2:52:35
  Speaker 8: coming back to me a little bit now I'm reading
• 2:52:37
  Speaker 8: his NFL dot Com yeah page.
• 2:52:39
  Speaker 6: So he is somebody that was a safety.
• 2:52:41
  Speaker 8: I think early on in college and now has converted
• 2:52:44
  Speaker 8: to linebacker. He's only two hundred and seventeen pounds, so
• 2:52:47
  Speaker 8: he's one of the defensively, I think you could hope
• 2:52:52
  Speaker 8: that he would be one of those sort of box
• 2:52:54
  Speaker 8: linebacker hybrid type of players, not necessarily somebody that I
• 2:52:59
  Speaker 8: projected as being a real, a real contributor on defense.
• 2:53:04
  Speaker 8: I'm not gonna lie.
• 2:53:05
  Speaker 7: Yeah, the NFL dot Com had him fifth, sixth round.
• 2:53:07
  Speaker 7: The Beast has him a little bit closer to what
• 2:53:10
  Speaker 7: he is now third fourth round. But yeah, similar kind
• 2:53:14
  Speaker 7: of thing. I mean, it's just it seems like another
• 2:53:16
  Speaker 7: kind of big safety, right, Yeah, maybe a little.
• 2:53:19
  Speaker 6: Bit a little bit taller he's Yeah, I mean, two
• 2:53:23
  Speaker 6: hundred and seventeen pounds isn't even really a big.
• 2:53:25
  Speaker 7: Safety now, it's a it's a special teamer.
• 2:53:28
  Speaker 6: He's a special teams player.
• 2:53:30
  Speaker 2: Where's he from?
• 2:53:31
  Speaker 6: Sacramento State football? I believe Lonnie Paxton if I'm not
• 2:53:36
  Speaker 6: mistaken with Sacramento State.
• 2:53:38
  Speaker 7: Yeah, seventy six tackles this last year, just six and
• 2:53:41
  Speaker 7: a half tackles for lost, one sack, one forced fumble,
• 2:53:43
  Speaker 7: six passes defense, two interceptions.
• 2:53:45
  Speaker 6: First team.
• 2:53:46
  Speaker 8: I'm not going to judge it, big Skuy, I'm not
• 2:53:49
  Speaker 8: talking about this pig.
• 2:53:50
  Speaker 6: I don't. I don't know this. I know the player
• 2:53:53
  Speaker 6: I have him on, I don't know him.
• 2:53:56
  Speaker 8: I just the fact is is that there's good players
• 2:54:02
  Speaker 8: still on the board. And look, I understand that the
• 2:54:04
  Speaker 8: names we know, it's not it doesn't always end up
• 2:54:06
  Speaker 8: being right right. You know, the Dwan Jones is the
• 2:54:09
  Speaker 8: Blake Frielans that we were just talking about.
• 2:54:12
  Speaker 6: Who knows.
• 2:54:12
  Speaker 8: But even at linebacker, there's guys that are still out there,
• 2:54:17
  Speaker 8: if I'm not mistaken. You know Trenton Simpson, Deyon Henley
• 2:54:21
  Speaker 8: from Washington State, who's that kind of like people compared
• 2:54:24
  Speaker 8: him to Fred Warner type of player coming out of college.
• 2:54:28
  Speaker 8: Also an undersized athletic linebacker. You know, ESPN didn't have
• 2:54:32
  Speaker 8: Marty Mapu like that much further down than those guys.
• 2:54:36
  Speaker 8: I think that he's probably a fourth round pick, but
• 2:54:39
  Speaker 8: they take him here in the third.
• 2:54:41
  Speaker 6: I don't know. I just I think there's too much
• 2:54:44
  Speaker 6: talent on the.
• 2:54:44
  Speaker 8: Board to take a pick like this, especially you have
• 2:54:46
  Speaker 8: four fourth round picks, like you have the picks tomorrow
• 2:54:51
  Speaker 8: to take this guy. Maybe the league was higher on
• 2:54:53
  Speaker 8: him than all of us, but it kind of seems
• 2:54:57
  Speaker 8: like this was somebody that they probably could have had
• 2:54:58
  Speaker 8: early tomorrow.
• 2:54:59
  Speaker 2: I can't find him in our lads, although I couldn't
• 2:55:01
  Speaker 2: find C. J. Stroud.
• 2:55:04
  Speaker 6: Well, at least he's in the Beasts.
• 2:55:06
  Speaker 2: No, just just I'm joking. Our lads has him as
• 2:55:10
  Speaker 2: a safety. They have him in their safety block.
• 2:55:14
  Speaker 6: Yeah, he's a box safety.
• 2:55:15
  Speaker 2: So I'm wondering if that's how the Patriots drafted him
• 2:55:18
  Speaker 2: as a safety.
• 2:55:19
  Speaker 7: Yes, and if they wanted, because I got to imagine
• 2:55:23
  Speaker 7: that Brian branches about.
• 2:55:24
  Speaker 2: Well, he better be better than Nate Ebner in the
• 2:55:27
  Speaker 2: third round, you know, Like I would hope that they
• 2:55:31
  Speaker 2: drafted him with the hope that he's gonna play safety
• 2:55:33
  Speaker 2: and not specialty. I mean, he might play specialties.
• 2:55:36
  Speaker 6: I think you can make an argument that he's a safety, sure, Yeah.
• 2:55:39
  Speaker 2: But and then he will play safety on the Patriots.
• 2:55:41
  Speaker 6: When you're reading this stuff that Evan just talked about,
• 2:55:43
  Speaker 6: lacks short area of athleticism in long speed, yeah, like,
• 2:55:47
  Speaker 6: so his man coverage might be limited to tight end
• 2:55:49
  Speaker 6: like and.
• 2:55:50
  Speaker 2: That's the thing, you know, you talk about all they've
• 2:55:52
  Speaker 2: got to replace mccordy. Mccordy had elite speed.
• 2:55:54
  Speaker 6: He was one of the fastest guys in the entire league,
• 2:55:56
  Speaker 6: his prime elite speed.
• 2:56:00
  Speaker 2: NFL drafts, the new England.
• 2:56:04
  Speaker 25: Marte linebacker Sacramental State.
• 2:56:09
  Speaker 8: By the way, Yeah, the things that I the couple
• 2:56:12
  Speaker 8: of things that I remember just from people sharing clips
• 2:56:16
  Speaker 8: on Twitter and stuff like that, is that the intrigue
• 2:56:19
  Speaker 8: with him was that he's a downhill enforcer type of player.
• 2:56:23
  Speaker 8: He can blitz, he can come at the line of scrimmage,
• 2:56:26
  Speaker 8: he can run through people. He's a hard, finished tackler.
• 2:56:29
  Speaker 8: I think that maybe if you want to be excited,
• 2:56:33
  Speaker 8: like you there, there's a little bit of edge rushing
• 2:56:36
  Speaker 8: talent there as well. Like I think he can rush
• 2:56:38
  Speaker 8: the passer a tiny bit. I don't know if Landon
• 2:56:41
  Speaker 8: Roberts is like the best comp but he's a downhill
• 2:56:44
  Speaker 8: player to me, I I wouldn't really trust him too
• 2:56:47
  Speaker 8: much to play in space, but he dominated if I
• 2:56:51
  Speaker 8: remember correctly his level of competition.
• 2:56:53
  Speaker 2: So I heard people say, you know, you know, maybe
• 2:56:56
  Speaker 2: Kyle Duggar would be the replacement for mccordy.
• 2:56:59
  Speaker 6: And then quote from Jeremiah.
• 2:57:01
  Speaker 7: Sorry to interrupt you, Fred, but Marty, this is Daniel
• 2:57:03
  Speaker 7: Jeremiah saying Martin Mapp, who one of my favorite players
• 2:57:05
  Speaker 7: in the draft, crap it went away.
• 2:57:07
  Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Daniel Jeremiah, I think, you know, is
• 2:57:11
  Speaker 8: hitting on some of the things I was just talking
• 2:57:13
  Speaker 8: about that he has, that he has some of that
• 2:57:17
  Speaker 8: upside to be a playmaker around the line of scrimmage.
• 2:57:20
  Speaker 8: I don't necessarily think that he's going to be somebody
• 2:57:23
  Speaker 8: that you're going to drop twenty yards off the line
• 2:57:25
  Speaker 8: of scrimmage and make plays in coverage.
• 2:57:27
  Speaker 2: You know. But like people are saying, oh, Kyle Dougar
• 2:57:29
  Speaker 2: could be mccordy's replacement, But if you do that, you
• 2:57:31
  Speaker 2: kind of lose his ability to play in the box,
• 2:57:33
  Speaker 2: you know. Could it be that maybe this is the
• 2:57:36
  Speaker 2: guy they want to play up in the box that
• 2:57:39
  Speaker 2: you know, big nickel or whatever you want to call it,
• 2:57:42
  Speaker 2: and allow Doug Art to play back a little bit more.
• 2:57:46
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 2:57:46
  Speaker 7: I mean, I look, I just got to go off
• 2:57:48
  Speaker 7: of literally what we just have read and have watched
• 2:57:51
  Speaker 7: here the highlights that they're putting up on NFL Network.
• 2:57:53
  Speaker 7: But I just the question I'm asking myself is, if
• 2:57:55
  Speaker 7: this works out perfectly, what's.
• 2:57:57
  Speaker 6: His role this year?
• 2:57:57
  Speaker 7: I mean, as much as Evan went on his rant
• 2:57:59
  Speaker 7: about how does the second rounder get on the field.
• 2:58:01
  Speaker 7: I'm like, how does this guy ever get on the field?
• 2:58:04
  Speaker 9: Like?
• 2:58:04
  Speaker 6: Is this special team you know? I mean, that's it,
• 2:58:07
  Speaker 6: He's a special teams player.
• 2:58:08
  Speaker 2: Just to just to.
• 2:58:11
  Speaker 8: I tend to lean towards Paul being right about this, honestly,
• 2:58:15
  Speaker 8: but just to kind of offer just a little tiny bit,
• 2:58:20
  Speaker 8: a little tiny bit as train of thought, a little
• 2:58:25
  Speaker 8: tiny tiny bit of hope about this pick. Is that,
• 2:58:29
  Speaker 8: how long, deuce have we been clamoring for a linebacker
• 2:58:33
  Speaker 8: that can run a little bit, right, a guy that
• 2:58:35
  Speaker 8: can go sideline to sideline, that can cover a little
• 2:58:37
  Speaker 8: bit and has some athleticism, And is this He's a
• 2:58:41
  Speaker 8: new age linebacker. He's a two pounds inside linebacker. This
• 2:58:45
  Speaker 8: is not Juwan Bentley, which I would be I was reading. Okay,
• 2:58:49
  Speaker 8: so here's that question before I say so here's the problem.
• 2:58:52
  Speaker 8: This is a good, good question, because here's the problem.
• 2:58:55
  Speaker 8: He didn't test because he's hurt. Ye, so there's no combine,
• 2:59:00
  Speaker 8: there's no pro day numbers.
• 2:59:02
  Speaker 6: He did not test.
• 2:59:02
  Speaker 8: On film, he looks like he's got an explosive gear,
• 2:59:05
  Speaker 8: but he didn't test, and it's against a lower level
• 2:59:08
  Speaker 8: of competition.
• 2:59:09
  Speaker 2: But if he is, if he is fast, I mean
• 2:59:11
  Speaker 2: we've I've been clamoring for more speed at linebacker, a
• 2:59:14
  Speaker 2: sideline to sideline guy. We don't have the Tucker Kraft
• 2:59:17
  Speaker 2: just went to Green bayt.
• 2:59:19
  Speaker 8: They double dipped, right, Lucas Musgrave or Luke Muskrave.
• 2:59:22
  Speaker 2: So if he is a guy that can do that,
• 2:59:25
  Speaker 2: but he's not going to do it from inside linebacker
• 2:59:27
  Speaker 2: two hundred and seventeen pounds, right, Yeah, he's gonna have
• 2:59:31
  Speaker 2: to do it from another part.
• 2:59:32
  Speaker 7: I mean usually two hundred and thirty pounds is too
• 2:59:34
  Speaker 7: light for them.
• 2:59:34
  Speaker 6: No, Like I'm fine with Evans thing. I've been clamoring
• 2:59:37
  Speaker 6: this for like a lot of years, Like, give me
• 2:59:40
  Speaker 6: an undersize. You've got to be kidding me.
• 2:59:44
  Speaker 2: This game is wild. Is a Ruin's game?
• 2:59:46
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean it's been four goals in the third period. Yeah,
• 2:59:51
  Speaker 6: Manty's pissed. I've been clamoring for an undersized, really athletic linebacker.
• 2:59:57
  Speaker 6: I just I'm not reading that when I'm reading about him.
• 3:00:00
  Speaker 6: And for like Daniel Jeremiah, who I love, I think
• 3:00:04
  Speaker 6: he's calling him his favorite player for reasons other than
• 3:00:06
  Speaker 6: his ability. Like it's a Sacramento State hybrid safety linebacker,
• 3:00:12
  Speaker 6: like really hard, but he probably like Evan said dominates
• 3:00:16
  Speaker 6: at his level of comme. I don't necessarily say he's
• 3:00:18
  Speaker 6: like this is like a prototypical NFL player. I just
• 3:00:22
  Speaker 6: think he's probably just one of those guys that you
• 3:00:25
  Speaker 6: love to root for. Yeah, scrappy, overachiever type. You're going
• 3:00:29
  Speaker 6: to end up an NFL stark out sid. I mean maybe,
• 3:00:31
  Speaker 6: I mean he thinks they got a steal. I mean
• 3:00:33
  Speaker 6: we'll see. Like Phil Pett, I don't know who this
• 3:00:36
  Speaker 6: guy is.
• 3:00:38
  Speaker 2: One NFC linebackers coach on map who from Sacramento State's
• 3:00:42
  Speaker 2: big upside will will backer under the radar with huge potential.
• 3:00:48
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean that's yeah.
• 3:00:49
  Speaker 8: But he can run. He can run, he can go
• 3:00:51
  Speaker 8: side on his island. I think he can come downhill
• 3:00:53
  Speaker 8: and blitz a little bit as well. He there's flashes
• 3:00:57
  Speaker 8: of him that are really impressive on tape. I just
• 3:01:00
  Speaker 8: think that you have to think about the level of competition,
• 3:01:03
  Speaker 8: the injury that that's a big thing. You know, we
• 3:01:06
  Speaker 8: don't we don't have any testing numbers.
• 3:01:09
  Speaker 6: He weighed in.
• 3:01:09
  Speaker 8: I think it wasn't invited at the combine. I think
• 3:01:12
  Speaker 8: he waited at his pro day.
• 3:01:14
  Speaker 6: It wasn't.
• 3:01:14
  Speaker 8: It wasn't on the combine in by lists, which I
• 3:01:17
  Speaker 8: think a lot of people at the time thought was
• 3:01:18
  Speaker 8: a snub, to be fair, but he wasn't invited to
• 3:01:21
  Speaker 8: the combine.
• 3:01:22
  Speaker 2: Ben says, I'm so sick of overdrafting players in the draft,
• 3:01:25
  Speaker 2: or not drafting consensus guys, or prioritizing special teams Matt
• 3:01:32
  Speaker 2: who was not a third round pick anywhere. Three defensive players,
• 3:01:36
  Speaker 2: no offensive help, can't wait to lose be lame offensive
• 3:01:40
  Speaker 2: performances in a good defense. Unreal, how out of touch
• 3:01:43
  Speaker 2: they seem to be. This is my last year of
• 3:01:45
  Speaker 2: patience for BB and the crew.
• 3:01:48
  Speaker 6: It is a fair point that it's another deal.
• 3:01:50
  Speaker 8: I didn't I was just trying to remember rack my
• 3:01:52
  Speaker 8: brain to remember about the player, and I totally blank that.
• 3:01:55
  Speaker 8: The fact that it's now three straight.
• 3:01:56
  Speaker 6: Defensive I know, like we joke around and you know,
• 3:02:00
  Speaker 6: on my show.
• 3:02:01
  Speaker 8: Josh Downs just went to the Colts. So obviously the
• 3:02:03
  Speaker 8: Colts like Josh Downs in the third round.
• 3:02:05
  Speaker 6: Like like, I know, we joke around like with my
• 3:02:07
  Speaker 6: shows and like Bill hats mac yep, I mean, like
• 3:02:12
  Speaker 6: what are we giving him?
• 3:02:13
  Speaker 2: Nothing?
• 3:02:14
  Speaker 7: Like, I mean all the receivers are gone, offensive lineman,
• 3:02:17
  Speaker 7: who are your receivers next year?
• 3:02:19
  Speaker 6: It's it's Taekwan and Juju. Those are your two. I mean,
• 3:02:22
  Speaker 6: that's it.
• 3:02:23
  Speaker 7: I look and this is like and I feel like
• 3:02:24
  Speaker 7: it's kind of fun. How Evan and I have kind
• 3:02:26
  Speaker 7: of flipped. Like Evan, I feel like was not you know,
• 3:02:28
  Speaker 7: it was a lot more critical last one.
• 3:02:29
  Speaker 6: He won't be there next year.
• 3:02:31
  Speaker 2: Oh next year?
• 3:02:31
  Speaker 6: You mean, my my issue is that.
• 3:02:33
  Speaker 7: And we all know now my famous study of pulling
• 3:02:35
  Speaker 7: off how many picks that the Patriots have totally whiffed
• 3:02:38
  Speaker 7: on in the past four drafts, and a few of
• 3:02:41
  Speaker 7: them came in the third round. And I can't help
• 3:02:43
  Speaker 7: but look at this pick and say, this guy's never
• 3:02:45
  Speaker 7: playing it down for the Patriots, Like that's just my,
• 3:02:47
  Speaker 7: that's just my that's my overreaction right now to this.
• 3:02:51
  Speaker 7: But I mean, I just I'm as much as we
• 3:02:55
  Speaker 7: get like, oh, we've been longing for this linebacker, Well,
• 3:02:58
  Speaker 7: then draft a linebacker like from a big school, like
• 3:03:01
  Speaker 7: go get Drew Sanders or something if you really want
• 3:03:03
  Speaker 7: like a guy in that kind of old Trent Simpson like,
• 3:03:06
  Speaker 7: I don't know. I look, I'll give this guy the
• 3:03:08
  Speaker 7: ben out of of the doubt and we'll get out
• 3:03:10
  Speaker 7: there and we'll see exactly how they use him, and
• 3:03:12
  Speaker 7: maybe he's a diamond in the rough, but you.
• 3:03:15
  Speaker 8: Can take the diamond in the rough in the fourth
• 3:03:16
  Speaker 8: round and you could have taken Josh Downs in this
• 3:03:18
  Speaker 8: spot or any of the tackles that I listed off
• 3:03:21
  Speaker 8: before they picked. And look, they have a lot more
• 3:03:23
  Speaker 8: information on these guys than I do. Maybe there's concerns
• 3:03:26
  Speaker 8: that we don't know about about some of these other
• 3:03:28
  Speaker 8: players that we've been talking about. There are a couple
• 3:03:31
  Speaker 8: of receivers that are still hanging out there, like a
• 3:03:33
  Speaker 8: Tyler Scott, like a Charlie Jones. A caller mentioned at
• 3:03:36
  Speaker 8: Perry Michael Wilson from Stanford, somebody that they had in here.
• 3:03:39
  Speaker 8: Not not really my favorite guys in the couple of
• 3:03:42
  Speaker 8: other Charlie Jones. But there are still a couple of
• 3:03:45
  Speaker 8: receivers I think the most disappointing thing unless they are
• 3:03:48
  Speaker 8: gonna just take that flyer that nobody else will on
• 3:03:51
  Speaker 8: Darnell Washington and just risk it with whatever injury issue
• 3:03:54
  Speaker 8: he's he has right now, it seems like other than
• 3:03:58
  Speaker 8: him and Zach Kons, they've kind of missed boat on
• 3:04:00
  Speaker 8: this tight end class, and that's really disappointed.
• 3:04:02
  Speaker 2: We're going to wrap up this show. Let's see the
• 3:04:05
  Speaker 2: Patriots have no more picks in the third round. That's
• 3:04:08
  Speaker 2: not to say later tonight they don't move back into
• 3:04:11
  Speaker 2: the third round, but as of now, no picks in
• 3:04:12
  Speaker 2: the third We'll be back tomorrow at two o'clock two
• 3:04:17
  Speaker 2: to four tomorrow, So anything that happens between now and then,
• 3:04:20
  Speaker 2: obviously we'll have a chance to talk about it tomorrow.
• 3:04:23
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• 3:04:27
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