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Alex Temblador: The Ghost Stories Found Her · Echoes of the South

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Welcome to Echoes of the South.
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I'm Carrie Genzel Some places wear their history openly.
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Others seem to breathe it.
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In this episode, I sit down with travel journalist and novelist Alex
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Temblador, whose work has appeared in major publications like Fodor's Travel,
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National Geographic, and Travel and Leisure.
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Alex came to Macon expecting to write about the city's haunted history.
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What she didn't expect was to leave with experiences of her own.
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From unexplained moments at the 1842 Inn to a surprising experience during a
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tour of the historic Douglass Theatre We talk about the strange space where
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history, emotion, memory, And the unexplained begin to overlap.
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This isn't a conversation about proving ghosts exist.
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It's a conversation about what happens when a place makes you question what
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you thought you already knew.
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And why some stories stay with us long after we leave.
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Let's begin.
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Alex, thank you so much for joining me on Echoes of the South.
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It's so nice to see you.
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It's good to see you.
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Thanks for having me.
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Oh, absolutely.
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So we met, you came to Macon during October and you joined us for our Macon
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Beyond live at Burke Mansion.
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And that's where we first connected and had a very interesting night as I go
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hoarse.
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eh It's the ghost of the Burke Mansion, like getting in your throat a little.
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It was, it was me remembering the moment.
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Oh my gosh, you know what?
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Yes, the cold over your neck.
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So, okay, I gotta give you all the backstory.
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That's really bizarre.
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Maybe it was just me thinking about it.
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So during the course of the evening, we did what's called a double blind.
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And I had never done it before.
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And I was encouraged to do it by the group.
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So I had a blindfold on, noise canceling headphones, and what's called a
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spirit box, for those of you that don't know.
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So that's really cycling through the radio stations super fast. um The one
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that we were using, did AM and FM and it goes forward and backward.
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It's like really complicated.
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So it sounds like static, right?
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And every once in a while you get a name or a short sentence or something.
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And while that was going on, Jon our lead investigator had his thermal camera
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pointed toward me and you, Alex, were sitting right there.
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You were sitting in front of
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Yes.
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the iPad with the picture.
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And I heard a male voice say choke.
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And so I said choke out loud.
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Now I can't see or hear anything that's going on in the room, but you saw
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what.
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There was a change in temperature over your throat and there was one that came
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on the back of your throat too.
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So you can see the changes in temperature as Carrie was talking and as
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Morrighan was talking, we could see changes in temperature around the room,
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but it happened right as you said, Choke, over your throat, which is so wild.
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Yeah, it's really, really wild.
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I wish that had been um all recorded and put together in an episode because it
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was really trippy.
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Anyway, that's so funny that I had like a little frog in my throat while I was
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saying that.
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remembering.
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my gosh. let's get into your experiences in Macon.
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And I think for me, what's really interesting is that For you as a travel
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writer and journalist and author, you became a part of the story.
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And I don't know that you were expecting to experience anything on your trip
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to Macon, but you certainly got more than you bargained for.
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Yes, I was hoping I had talked to the people at the Macon Tourism Board.
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I knew that it was supposed to be a very haunted but underrated destination in
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the South.
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So when I'm going there, I knew that I was going to go to the Burke Mansion
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for Macon Beyond's paranormal investigation.
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So I'm expecting something to happen there, but I did have two experiences
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before that even happened.
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you stayed at the 1842 Inn, which is a location that we investigated for Macon
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Beyond.
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But so you were walking in there completely unaware of anything, just
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thought,
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oh, what a quaint bed and breakfast.
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And what did you encounter while you were there?
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Yes, so I hadn't seen your episode.
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So I didn't know all the things that had happened at 1842, but I stayed in the
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top floor. think it's the Magnolia room based on what I can see on the
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website.
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But as soon as you come up the stairs, it's the first room on the left.
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And it was the first night that we were staying there, me and my friend,
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there's one bed in there.
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So we're sleeping in the bed.
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And I don't know what happened, but I woke up in the middle of the night and I
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sat up straight.
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And I kind of looked around the room.
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I knew something had woken me up, but I didn't know what.
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And then I just felt one, two, three touches on my shoulder.
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And I was like, okay.
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And then I laid back down and went back to sleep after that.
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And I just went back to sleep after that.
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Yes, it's because I, when I moved into my house, which is 106 years old, I had
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a ghost, which I think has moved on, that is very, that was very comfortable
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touching me in the middle of the night.
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So I'm
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Okay.
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not surprised when something touches me in the middle of
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I am that way as well.
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Yeah.
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I will say,
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Yeah.
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hey, listen, I'm trying to get some sleep. ah This is not the time, but it
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doesn't surprise me.
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Yes, yes.
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And it wasn't like a bad touch.
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It wasn't a push.
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It was so feather light on my shoulders.
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On my left shoulder.
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And then I was like, okay, that happens.
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I'm gonna go to sleep now.
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Well, I'm going to pull up a quick picture that you sent me of your room.
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And this wasn't one of the rooms that we investigated.
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We were definitely up on that floor. ah But I'm going to share that
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Yes, this is the room.
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Okay, so I was sleeping, if we're looking at the bed straight on, I was
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sleeping on the right side of the bed.
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My friend was sleeping on the left side.
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And I just sat up.
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Yeah, I don't know what, I don't know if something touched me and that's why I
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woke up.
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I don't know if I heard something.
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But I just kind of woke up immediately and sat up.
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Wow.
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Well, it's a beautiful space. from spending time at 1842 and in doing an
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investigation, we definitely knew that there was some activity in the inn.
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And certainly up on that floor, that's where we got a lot of activity.
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And there's a lot of claims up there from people who have stayed in those
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rooms.
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And I know that We've been told that people sometimes have strange dreams or
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have encountered a little girl with a red ball or there's a lot of different
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stories.
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Again, nothing malicious or mean or anything of that nature.
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It all seems very fun and fun if that's your thing, right?
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It all.
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Yeah, I don't know if this is the little girl touching me in the middle of the
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night.
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It felt womanly. you know, just a nice or female, yeah.
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It felt female.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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And we definitely encountered, Morrighan really picked up on some female
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energy up on that floor as well.
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And then you have the John Gresham room, which is right up there as well.
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So there's that balance of the male and the female, and then also the
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child-like behavior that people pick up on.
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Like I said, it's
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Yeah.
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very interesting, 1842, because there's a lot of activity.
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There's so much history there.
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There's a lot
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Yeah.
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of activity in... in the inn which I think adds to its charm because it's
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absolutely beautiful.
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It's gorgeous.
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You have the downstairs area where we would get a tea or a drink and then
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bring it up to the room.
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And yeah, it's a beautiful, beautiful spot.
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Yes.
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Here's you at the outside.
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Look at how beautiful that is.
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Yeah.
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I love it.
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It's gorgeous. uh It's one of those places that for a long time, I, you know,
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I'd lived in Macon for a few years and had never been inside until we shot the
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episode and I walked in and I'm like, wow, this is incredible.
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And I know people, you know, we'll book it for different events and different
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things as well, but it's, it's, it's a really special inn. that we have right
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downtown, which is great because you can walk to a lot of fun places and not
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have to go too far. yeah, definitely, definitely
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Yeah.
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spiritual activity.
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Although you had said that they really downplayed it or said flat out that
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there wasn't any activity in the end, which is interesting.
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Yeah, I asked maybe like five different people over the course of my stay who
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worked there and nobody They all just said like nothing happens here.
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We don't have ghosts I've never heard anything like that and I was like going
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online seeing on TripAdvisor people had written stuff and then me and my
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friend actually watched Macon Beyond this the episode about 1842 on the bed in
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1842 and going like Something's going on here.
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1842, come on, the jig is up, you know, yeah.
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Yeah, it's so old.
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Like you even mentioned this whole area is like very active.
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So it just doesn't surprise me.
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I have to say my experience in living in Macon and investigating is that
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College Street and Georgia Avenue, well, the whole downtown historic area is
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very active.
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There's a lot going on.
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And then, you you think about College Street, which feeds right into Rose Hill
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Cemetery. you know, it's, there you go.
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Yes, Rose Hill is absolutely stunning.
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Yeah, Rose Hill is very
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which I did visit too, but I didn't, nothing happened, yeah.
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For me.
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stunning.
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You know, so it doesn't surprise me that it's very active, but again, like,
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you know, something we were talking about before we uh came on live here is
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that, you you think about all the layers of history here and that's really
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what we're going to be uncovering here at Echoes of the South is just you've
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got so much history here, so many stories to tell.
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And, you know, the 1842 Inn and Judge Gresham, who was the one who you know,
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had the house built, was the mayor at one time of Macon and a very prominent
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member of society.
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And so you think of all the people that walk through those doors, decisions
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that were
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Wow.
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Yes.
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made, meetings, oh gatherings, you know, just one of the highest points of
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society.
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So, of course, there's going to be, you know, imprints of that energy and
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those people in such an incredible place.
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Yes, absolutely.
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And you feel it.
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I mean, it's a good energy to me.
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I didn't feel anything.
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Yeah, I felt so too.
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Like when we were in there, when Morrighan was walking around, Judge Gresham
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himself gave her a tour and was so proud of his home.
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One thing I felt was really interesting is, and when you're in the inn, you
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can tell a little of how there was an addition on the main house.
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And Judge Gresham, as he was walking Morrighan through the house, he wouldn't
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cross that threshold of the addition.
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And I thought that was really interesting.
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And Morrighan didn't quite realize why that was happening in the moment.
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But when we talked about it later, I thought, you know, it's either he doesn't
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like the addition because it wasn't part
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Yeah.
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of his plan, or perhaps in his timeline or what he's seeing, it's not there
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because that's not a
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Yeah.
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part of his memory of his home.
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But it was very interesting that he didn't cross that threshold into that back
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part that had been added on.
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That's so cool.
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I love hearing that.
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Right. just, that's what's fascinating to me too.
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And when we go into a location to investigate, it's more so Morrighan really
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has to try to peel back where, like what perspective they're coming in from
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and what timeline they're coming in from and trying to remember things like
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that of like, oh, they may not know that that's there or may not see it. um
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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and try to decipher, of try to get in into their purview of what they're
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seeing and what they think is going on.
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And it's very fun to come into these locations because Macon is not a city
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that's investigated.
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And a lot of times because I'm coming in with Macon Beyond and now have
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relationships with people, we're getting access into locations that just don't
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allow investigators to come in.
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So...
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The spirits that are there a lot of the time when we walk in are sort of like,
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what are you doing?
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Exactly.
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Wait, you can see me?
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Why are you looking at me and trying to talk to me?
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Yeah.
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And so a lot of times, and this certainly happened in Burke Mansion, Mr.
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Burke was very wary of us.
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I think it was like the whole crowd also, like we're so excited.
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We were all going around trying to see different things and I'm it was a lot
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of energy for him.
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Yeah, even when we investigated prior to that event, we encountered him and he
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was not super welcoming.
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He just was a little wary of like why we were running around his home, asking
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a bunch of personal questions and, you know, nosing around in his bedroom, et
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cetera, which I understand like that's strange, right?
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And so a lot of the work that we do when we first come in is really earning
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their trust of telling them why we're there, teaching them what the equipment
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is and that we're not there to hurt them or make them go away.
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We really just want to tell their story.
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So it's interesting how we have to, we got to earn that activity and that
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interaction for sure.
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Yeah, and I think that's kind of the beautiful thing about interacting with
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the paranormal, at least in my experiences.
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And I was having conversation with somebody like two days ago who I told them
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about my house and I had this ghost and all this stuff and they're like,
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you're not nervous.
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And I said, no, you just come in and say, okay, now I know you're here.
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I'm here.
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Let's, we've got to live in the same space.
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So we might as well do this communally and with respect and you protect the
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place and I'll take care of it.
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Well, I think that's really interesting because a lot of times when I talk to
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people, you know, or I say, you know, would you like us to come and
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investigate your house?
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And they're like, well, no, because I don't want to piss off the ghost or I
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don't want to disrupt what's going on.
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And it's like, well, that's not why we're there.
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We're really there just to connect with whoever may be there and to see who
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they are and why they may be there and if they need anything.
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And sometimes it's not about making them leave, I mean, we're never making
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them leave, you know, having them go, it's more about telling their story.
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A lot of times we find that the spirits that are hanging around never really
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got a chance to tell their story or they were people that were never really
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listened to or had a voice.
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And so it's
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Yeah.
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us that gives them the opportunity to share who they are and why they may be
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there.
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And sometimes that's all they're looking for, you know, and so it's a
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privilege really to go in and be able to share the information they give us
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and know that that's really all they wanted.
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it's beautiful.
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I like that.
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Okay.
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Yeah.
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And a lot of times, you know, it's because they didn't get a chance to do that
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in life.
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We had that recently.
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We got to go in and investigate the Piedmont Grand Opera House, which was a
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real treat.
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And there was an older gentleman that was sitting in the audience in a tuxedo
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and Morrighan connected with him.
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And he really just wanted to tell us his story.
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And then after he was done, he like just disappeared.
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And that was it.
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Oh Aww.
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You know, it was something that was really weighing heavy on his heart.
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And I guess he never had the chance to say it out loud or tell anyone before
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he passed away.
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And so he was sitting in the audience and took the opportunity to tell us and
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tell Morrighan.
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And it was a really beautiful moment.
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And so I look at that as such a privilege to be able to do that for a spirit
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who may feel like there was unfinished business for them.
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Nice. yeah, that's awesome.
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Now in your home, you had said that you felt like it's not there anymore.
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Do you feel like it maybe comes and goes, or do you feel like it moved on?
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I think it moved on, because about a couple years ago, I just randomly
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happened to look up the day that he passed away.
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I, okay, so when I moved in, I didn't think there was a ghost. did all this
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research into seeing if someone had died.
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And then I found out a month after I moved in that somebody was murdered here.
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Yeah, that wasn't told to me.
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Yeah.
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Oh, surprise, surprise.
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Yeah.
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So I had done all this research about the police reports and all that.
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So I knew a lot about the guy.
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And for some reason, like about a couple of years ago, I just, something told
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me like, look up the day he died.
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And it was like that week was his death anniversary.
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And I just... uh lit a candle, of little, did a little tiny altar in the area
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where I knew he had passed away.
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And since then, I really haven't had activity the way I had
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Wow.
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like four years, the four years or maybe the three years before that since I
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had
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right.
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moved in.
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So since then, I, something did weird did happen the other day, but it just
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didn't feel like him.
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So I hope he has moved on, but I don't know.
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Yeah, I hope he's found peace and has been able to move on.
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Is it an unsolved
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Yeah.
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crime or did they find out who did it?
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Okay, so there was a guy who owned the house before I did.
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I bought it from a flipper.
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So the flipper,
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Okay.
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he didn't tell the flipper what happened.
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And the guy who owned it before me sold guns and bazookas and weapons out of
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this house, legally, but still weird.
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And he was having dinner, according to him, in his garage one night.
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And for some reason, this 19 year old boy, who doesn't live anywhere in the
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neighborhood, he lives about like a five minute drive away, was dropped off
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right in front of the driveway for some reason.
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This guy doesn't know why.
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And the kid just was walking straight at him and didn't say anything.
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And the guy said, no, stop, don't come closer.
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And even though this guy was a military guy, he didn't go after him and the
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kids didn't have any weapons, but the military guy runs inside. the house,
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gets a gun, goes.
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The way my room is designed, it has five doors, so it's a very weird kind of
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house.
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And he comes kind of around and when the kid comes into the house from the
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garage, he empties an entire clip into it.
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my gosh.
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and then gets a knife and runs to the front porch and calls the cops as if
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emptying a magazine and a kid who's unarmed didn't kill him.
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Right.
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Wasn't gonna do it.
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Yeah.
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I read the police report.
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I don't know why the guy didn't just turn right around.
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If you think somebody's coming into your house, he literally could have just
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grabbed a gun, turned right around and shot him.
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Instead, he does... goes all the way kind of around between two different
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rooms to come up behind the kids to shoot him, which never made sense to me.
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If you are so scared for your life, you just turn around and immediately.
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He does this whole extra thing and then somehow the kid's dad comes to this
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house and is arrested on site.
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That never made sense to me.
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I never understood or found out.
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There's no information. how the dad found out, why the dad would get arrested.
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And then oh because of Texas's Stand Your Ground laws, nothing happens with
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the guy who owned this house.
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I just thought it was very sketchy.
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I think he knew the kid.
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I think he invited this kid over for whatever reason.
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And I think he killed him.
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But
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Wow.
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Wow.
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because of our Stand Your Ground laws, Texas just said it was defending his
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house, but it never made any sense to me. uh Witnesses which they didn't see
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anything but were people who live behind me they heard the gunshots and they
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kind of like Vouch for the guy who lived in this house and about like five
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months later.
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They move into the house And rent the house from him and I was just like that
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seems sketchy as well Yeah, it
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You
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was so ah
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Ow.
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That's a lot to unpack, yeah.
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It's so much. uh But David was here whenever I moved in. uh I did see
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something, I did see things right when I moved in, but I just tried to explain
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them away.
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Because I was like, I
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Yeah.
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did the research, no one has died here.
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Even though it's a 106 year old house, no one had died here. ah
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Right.
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And then a neighbor was like, did you know about the shooting?
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That happens.
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Yeah.
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with like really incredible circumstances.
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Incredible.
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Things do not make sense.
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It's sketchy at best.
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I don't believe.
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Yeah.
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Well, I hope that he is at peace and you maybe you just acknowledging him in
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that space was enough for him to move on and he felt seen and heard.
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I hope so.
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He was my age.
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Like we would have been the
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Wow.
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exact same age.
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Yeah.
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So when he died, we were both 19 at the time and you know, then I moved in
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here and I found out all about him and through kind of some internet research,
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but he would show himself a little ways touching my feet at night.
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He found a ring of mine and put it on my dresser and he would kind of makes,
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he made alarms go off on windows that I didn't know the windows weren't
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locked.
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And he was trying to warn me this window is not locked. um Yeah, yeah, I said
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as I found
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That's kind of cool.
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He's like, your security.
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Yeah.
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He's like, I gotta keep you safe.
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out, I said as I found out, I was like, hey, this is our place.
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Nobody comes in, you protect it.
25:39
And then once I was in the kitchen, I knew my best friend was coming and I had
25:43
opened the garage door.
25:45
And I was just kind of like going and checking and then come back and cleaning
25:49
dishes.
25:50
And he opened the door for her.
25:51
And when she got to the door, I said, did you open that because it was about
25:56
like, two minutes between the door opening and her coming in.
25:59
She was like, no, I thought you did.
26:01
And I said, nope, that door was closed.
26:03
And he opened it.
26:04
So.
26:05
So he was pretty active for a time.
26:08
Yes, yeah, he even like yelled in my ear once in the out in the yard.
26:12
I mean, it wasn't a bad yell, but it scared me. mean, like just kind of
26:18
shocked you.
26:19
I've had that happen and it can be unnerving because all of a sudden you're
26:22
hearing sometimes very close to you, hear a voice, right?
26:26
Yeah.
26:27
And you're like, but you can't see anything.
26:29
And so that's strange. think, um and I've certainly like seen like full bodied
26:34
apparitions and things.
26:35
And sometimes that can be unnerving too.
26:38
If you think it's a real person standing in your home, I've had that happen
26:43
where I'm like,
26:44
Yeah.
26:45
I thought you were, I thought someone broke in.
26:48
Oh no, I didn't have that.
26:49
um And so, yeah, that's happened to me several times. uh And so that's
26:53
unnerving.
26:54
I think, you my experience with spirits in my home is typically you set the
26:59
ground rules.
27:00
So if there are certain things that you're not comfortable with, um tell them.
27:05
I'm like, hey, I don't mind that you're here and we can both live here.
27:10
Yes.
27:15
and enjoy this home, but I would prefer it if you didn't do this.
27:18
You know, don't yell in my ear.
27:20
Yes.
27:20
I told him that after he yelled at my ear.
27:23
And then at my parents' house, I think there is an older man ghost because
27:30
sometimes he would come and lay on top of me.
27:33
And
27:34
Oh.
27:35
I like couldn't.
27:36
It was just harder to breathe and so I would wake up and go if you're going to
27:42
lay down Lay beside me you can touch me like Softly on my back or something,
27:48
but don't lay on me sir
27:50
Sir.
27:51
so Like lay down next
27:53
so we don't know each other that well.
27:55
to me.
27:55
Yeah, I don't know you that well, but if you need I guess to cuddle.
28:00
But just don't lay on me
28:02
You know, that's a really common thing that happens to people.
28:06
Like even at Burke Mansion, I know that one of the stories I was told is that
28:11
sometimes guests have said that they feel sort of like somebody caressing
28:15
their back, you know, like it's okay.
28:18
It's okay.
28:18
It's okay. ah Which could, you know, do the opposite and freak them out. ah
28:23
But
28:24
Thank
28:25
yeah, I definitely, I lived in a place in West Hollywood. um in LA and there
28:30
was a spirit in there, but I think it was connected more so to me. um As the
28:36
interaction went on, I don't think it was necessarily connected to that
28:41
particular space. um And he would sometimes get into bed on but not on me,
28:46
like next to me.
28:48
And I could feel the like
28:50
Yeah.
28:50
the depression of the mattress.
28:51
And it was very strange because there was no in there.
28:54
And then sometimes my dog would growl or, you know, get up or, um and so I
28:58
know what
28:59
Yeah.
29:02
that's like and it can be unnerving.
29:04
But I think for people that haven't had that experience, they may not be able
29:10
to understand that sometimes when you feel the intent or you feel, I guess,
29:15
kind of the essence of that spirit and it doesn't feel threatening, it feels
29:21
OK in a way like where you're like,
29:24
Yeah, it's comforting in a way.
29:26
OK, that's fine.
29:27
Just just
29:28
Yeah, yeah, just right
29:28
Please be over there.
29:31
there.
29:31
I, it's funny, the reason I said I don't know if David is back or not is
29:36
because I was sleeping the other day and I felt like something pressed on the
29:42
back of my pillow and then something kind of against my head.
29:47
And I was like, that's, it hasn't happened in a long time.
29:51
And I
29:52
Yeah.
29:52
didn't, mean, like year, like two years maybe.
29:54
And so I was like, is that him?
29:56
Is this something else?
29:58
I don't know.
29:58
But that happened.
30:00
Right, right, interesting.
30:01
It's yeah, that's when you get Morrighan to come in.
30:03
That's who also can work remotely.
30:05
I've had
30:06
Right?
30:08
More again.
30:12
her do things remotely before because if I'm concerned about
30:14
So fascinating.
30:15
somebody I'll say, you know, there seems to be something there.
30:18
It seems darker.
30:19
Can you kind of pop in and see what's roaming around in there and she will.
30:23
Sometimes it doesn't like that she's poking around and that it can see, you
30:27
know, she can see it and vice versa.
30:30
Yeah.
30:31
ah But yeah, I think too, sometimes things come and go and sometimes there's
30:35
spirits that we don't really notice as much.
30:37
And then they do something a little bigger and we're like, wait, who's that?
30:42
Is that the same spirit?
30:43
Is this someone else?
30:44
Right.
30:45
Yeah, well when we were at the Burke Mansion, Morrighan was saying people from
30:50
the neighborhood were kind of coming and like paranormal entities from the
30:55
neighborhood were coming in and watching us, not people.
30:58
Yes.
30:59
There were other spirits coming for the party.
31:01
Yeah, because you know, when Morrighan, I always say like, it kind of reminds
31:05
me of like kind of the Wi-Fi signal and when she's got her signal on, because
31:10
she doesn't walk around in life on, right?
31:12
People
31:13
Yeah.
31:14
get so funny about that with her.
31:15
Like they think that she's just like, I guess like the Long Island medium,
31:19
like she's walking around and just randomly giving people readings or
31:22
something.
31:22
It's like, no.
31:23
Yeah.
31:23
Yeah.
31:24
No, or yeah, like, or she sees it everywhere.
31:27
She was very clear that she turns it off.
31:30
she turns it off.
31:30
You would have to because there
31:32
Yeah.
31:33
would just be constant information, right?
31:35
And people coming to you and like, hey, I need to tell you something. em And
31:40
so when she's working and we're doing an investigation or in regards to the
31:45
Burke Mansion event, when she's doing an event, right, her signal is on.
31:50
So other spirits may be like,
31:52
Mm-hmm.
31:54
cruising down the street and like, hey, there's a party over there, right?
31:57
It's like,
31:58
Yeah.
32:00
they come and you know, what happens and this happens when we investigate too,
32:03
especially in that area.
32:05
At some point, usually toward the end of the investigation, there are so many
32:08
spirits that start coming our way that we have to kind of shut it down because
32:12
it just becomes so muddled of her trying to like navigate through.
32:16
Yeah.
32:20
who we may have been connecting with and all these other spirits that have
32:24
figured out that we can communicate. um Or she'll sometimes be, it's funny,
32:28
she gets very, um I would say you're like a bouncer at a club.
32:32
She'd be like, everybody stand in line one at a time, get the velvet rope,
32:37
stand behind the velvet rope. uh That's right, um
32:40
No cutting.
32:42
because that's what happens.
32:44
There's so many that come forward.
32:46
Again, know, Macon is not, a city that's investigated a lot.
32:51
Yeah.
32:52
And so there aren't these big opportunities, I think, for those spirits
32:55
that
32:56
may still be wandering or have something to say to be able to communicate and
33:00
say what they need to say.
33:01
And so when we're out there and we're investigating or we're shooting an
33:05
episode.
33:05
Sometimes it becomes a little bit of a party at the end where we're like, oh
33:10
no, this is too much.
33:11
This is we're not getting, it's too many voices and we're not getting a
33:15
Have.
33:18
story.
33:18
We're just getting like, hi, hello, Bob, John, like
33:21
Yes.
33:23
all these different, different people.
33:26
So that can happen easily when we're out and about. so 1842
33:31
Let's do that.
33:34
is a pretty, exciting experience because I think for me like my thought was
33:38
when you told me about it like you came out here to document you know the
33:43
history and the stories of Macon and then you became a part of the story.
33:48
Yeah, but that wasn't even the most interesting one.
33:53
Yeah.
33:54
See, I know you have other stories that you haven't even shared.
33:58
Let's, and
33:59
Yes.
34:00
there may be one I don't know about, but I know that you did show that you had
34:03
an experience at the Douglass Theater, which is a location
34:06
Yes.
34:07
we have not investigated, I'm gonna say yet, ah yet.
34:12
Yes. oh
34:13
ah But I've heard stories about the Douglass and it has incredible history
34:40
here in Macon, Georgia.
34:49
What was your experience there?
35:01
Yes.
35:01
Okay, so I'm going to the Douglass Theater.
35:04
They know I'm coming as a travel journalist.
35:07
And so they decide to do something different that they've never done before.
35:12
I don't know if they're doing it now.
35:15
I doubt it.
35:15
But they were kind of starting to show me around in the lobby and starting to
35:21
tell me the history of the Douglass Theater, Charles Douglass and his wife,
35:26
Fannie Appling Douglass running it and it being the first African American
35:31
theater. in the South, I believe, or definitely in Georgia, but it was a big
35:36
one in the South.
35:37
And so they're telling me this, and then a guy comes down these stairs and out
35:43
this door, and he's wearing like an Usher suit, like a red jacket, like an
35:48
Usher in a theater.
35:49
And I look at my friend and I'm like, you see that guy, right?
35:54
Like, because he just is like sneaking up behind us.
35:57
That was like, that's a real person, isn't it?
36:00
I think.
36:01
And it is.
36:02
And he takes over our tour, but he has this like accent that sounds like it's
36:07
from the past and he's talking very slowly.
36:10
And we start to realize that he's acting as if he is a usher of the time in
36:15
which Charles Douglass and his wife were running the theater.
36:19
So it's this whole
36:21
Wow.
36:21
like cool interactive act where he's like. and this is where we had this and
36:26
this is where we had that.
36:28
Mr.
36:28
Douglass did this and I see him every Friday or something like that.
36:33
So it's really interactive.
36:35
We're getting into it.
36:37
It feels like I'm on a cool fun tour and he takes us into the theater and we
36:42
go through the seats and then we go up to the stage and he is standing about
36:48
like 10 feet to our left on the stage and we're looking out at the audience.
36:53
He has me and my friend sitting in two chairs while he's to the left.
36:58
And he's kind of doing a cool monologue about the Douglass Theater.
37:03
And he goes, isn't that right, Mr.
37:05
Douglass?
37:06
And all of a sudden the lights went, boom, boom, boom.
37:10
And I was like, I mean, I got chills just now.
37:13
I was just like, that was so perfect at the right time.
37:17
And he goes, ha ha, yeah, Mr.
37:19
Douglass.
37:20
I see you and they keep going and then they would stop and they kept going
37:25
every like they would flash a couple times and then pause for like 10 seconds
37:31
and then kept doing it until we eventually walked out of the room.
37:36
Now this guy doesn't make any he's not like, my gosh, I can't believe that
37:41
happened or anything.
37:42
He just continues on in character.
37:45
We continue on. through the tour, I look at my friend and was like, that was
37:50
kind of crazy, right?
37:52
And she was like, yeah, we get to the end and he comes out of character
37:57
finally, he's just like this regular guy talking to us about his time working
38:03
there.
38:03
And I said, did y'all do that?
38:05
Like, did you have somebody standing there to do the lights?
38:10
And he said, absolutely not.
38:12
I did not expect that.
38:13
I didn't see that coming.
38:15
But as soon as he said, isn't that right, Mr.
38:18
Douglass, those lights just started flashing.
38:22
Get out, I have a picture of you inside
38:24
Yeah.
38:25
the theater.
38:25
And again, if you've never visited Macon, Georgia, please make sure to visit
38:30
the Douglass, because it's absolutely stunning. um
38:34
So it's those lights in the back.
38:35
Honey, you can see the three above my head.
38:37
There's
38:38
Yeah.
38:39
lights underneath that balcony and all of those lights in the balcony were the
38:44
ones flashing.
38:45
Wow.
38:45
Now I've been in there
38:46
Good night.
38:47
several times during the Macon Film Festival and for different events and I've
38:51
never had an experience but I'm always there like with you know there's a
38:55
movie or screening or an event so there's a lot of people around so many
39:00
distractions but I've heard from from a few local people here in Macon who
39:04
have been there you know who who are there sort of during set up or quieter
39:08
times at the theater that have said, know, there's something, there's
39:12
something in there.
39:14
There's something in there, which is why we want to go investigate.
39:18
Yes.
39:18
So we were talking to people who work there and they said at night, there'll
39:23
be a lot of times at night, like when they're leaving, or sometimes
39:28
Yeah.
39:29
when there's like nobody else in there, they're just doing like paperwork in
39:34
their office or something.
39:36
They'll see stuff run by the doorway or down the hall or the lights will
39:41
flicker a lot.
39:43
Later on, I think it was that night, we went on a tour, a historic haunted
39:48
tour around the downtown area.
39:50
And
39:51
right.
39:51
we did go to the theater and it was dark.
39:53
And we did think we saw a shadow kind of, yeah, in the window at
39:57
Here's the outside.
39:59
Oh, wow.
40:00
Oop, let me put that back.
40:03
the top left.
40:04
So we thought we
40:06
really?
40:06
saw Shadow.
40:08
Yeah.
40:10
There it is.
40:11
Yes, so not the windows right above Douglass, but the ones to the left of
40:16
that, on
40:17
Interesting.
40:17
Yeah.
40:18
that second floor.
40:19
We thought we saw shadow in that window, but they say they see shadows a lot
40:25
moving around there.
40:27
Yeah, there's a lot of that happening in Macon and those upper windows.
40:30
People talk about different buildings. yeah, absolutely.
40:33
Yes, yes.
40:33
I didn't see anything else on that tour, but we did stop by a morgue.
40:38
Either it was a morgue or it's still a morgue now.
40:41
And I wish I remember the name of it or where exactly it was at, but I can
40:46
picture it in my mind.
40:48
I didn't see anything, but I did not like how that building felt from the
40:53
outside.
40:54
And we didn't even get close to it, and it felt not good.
40:58
I'm trying to think of what that might be.
40:59
I'm not familiar.
41:00
Gosh, you're giving me some hints
41:02
Yeah.
41:04
of places I don't even know about.
41:06
I got to investigate.
41:08
Yeah, was, the tour guide was telling us that it was a morgue and that there
41:13
was a woman that has seen a lot in that house, yeah.
41:18
Right.
41:18
Yeah.
41:18
I love, well, I love getting into all the lore and the stories and see if I
41:23
can start to pull that thread and find some kind of through line of like, can
41:29
we back this up at all with any kind of documentation or
41:33
Daddy?
41:34
any, know, what are the claims?
41:35
Who are, are, who's seeing her?
41:37
What's going on?
41:38
And then I love to get Morrighan
41:40
Yeah.
41:42
in there to start to unravel unravel things.
41:44
So there's always more than what people think.
41:46
You know, and one thing I find too, and you may find this as well as a writer
41:51
is that a lot of times stories over time kind of get mashed together.
41:54
So there might've been like something that happened and then there was a woman
41:58
that was a part of another story, but somehow they all get cramped together in
42:03
one story and it
42:04
Just one, yeah.
42:07
becomes this mashup of, of different events.
42:09
And I, I find that that happens as well.
42:11
And then it's trying to unravel the truth and be like, well, wait a minute,
42:15
wait that might have been the woman from this story, but then that didn't
42:19
happen there.
42:20
Yes.
42:20
I see that happening a lot with the woman in the water, the lady of the lake,
42:27
the woman in white,
42:29
Right.
42:30
or the woman who was the bride that committed suicide.
42:35
Those all blend in in a place.
42:38
Right.
42:39
If a woman existed, all of sudden, all those tropes happen.
42:42
It does seem like a lot of places have those typical stories, right?
42:49
Like we
42:50
Yeah.
42:50
said, we just investigated the Piedmont Grand Opera House and there was of
42:53
course a woman in white story that's associated with that theater.
42:57
And then we encountered a woman and I asked Morrighan to describe, because we
43:00
were trying to determine what timeline.
43:02
I said, what is she wearing?
43:04
And she was wearing a white dress.
43:06
Yeah.
43:08
Yeah,
43:11
And I
43:11
yeah.
43:11
was like, well, there we go.
43:12
The woman in white, here she is.
43:14
But then maybe, and we don't, I don't know this, maybe at that time, white was
43:20
like a very common color.
43:22
Yeah, it's very interesting.
43:23
This particular
43:24
Bye bye.
43:24
woman, was a performer.
43:25
She was like a stand-in or somebody like that.
43:29
And so it could have been that she was wearing just a simple dress, you know,
43:35
as a
43:36
Mmm.
43:37
stand-in or she was wearing part of a costume or something like that.
43:38
So was hard.
43:38
In a theater, it's sometimes hard to tell based on the way they're dressed
43:39
what timeline they're
43:40
Yeah.
43:43
Yeah.
43:47
from, because they could be wearing a costume.
43:49
And so that may
43:50
True.
43:50
not be the timeline they're from, but it just looks that way.
43:52
Well, I would love for you to look into the Douglass Theatre, not only because
43:57
they had so many famous performers go through
44:00
Yeah.
44:00
there, but it was also like one of the only places African Americans could
44:05
stay safely.
44:06
So it's partly a hotel as well.
44:09
So I'd be curious to know if you have the Douglass Theatre, there's a little
44:15
building next to it where people would stay.
44:19
right.
44:19
when they came to the theater before they went home, because it was only place
44:22
they could safely stay.
44:23
So I'd be curious if there was stuff in that part of the theater as well that
44:26
had activity.
44:27
Well, I'm hoping, you know, as part of our Macon Beyond video series, um now
44:32
that we've done the Grand Opera House,
44:35
Yeah.
44:36
which was the reason why the Douglass existed, because they used to have to
44:40
sit in what was called the Peanut Gallery in the top
44:43
Yeah.
44:44
balcony.
44:44
And it was very steep and wooden benches and very uncomfortable and very high.
44:47
Like we were up there investigating. um And it was because that's where they
44:49
had to sit that the Douglass was built. so it has such a, the two go hand in
44:52
hand, you know, so beautifully and the Douglass itself is such a beautiful
44:55
theater.
44:55
And I'm so grateful that we still have that theater here.
44:57
It's so hard to keep those old theaters alive, you know, and keep them
45:00
preserved and open.
45:01
Yeah.
45:02
Yeah.
45:04
Okay.
45:05
Yeah, they just reopened ours in my little town.
45:21
So I'm
45:23
that's exciting.
45:24
glad we're having these.
45:24
Yeah, I've kept around historically and culturally.
45:26
Yeah.
45:27
It's incredibly important, yeah.
45:29
And you think about the history of the theater and what that meant to the
45:33
community and just bringing how, you know, even performers would travel from
45:38
city to city to city to city, right, to kind of get a name for themselves and
45:43
build a following for themselves.
45:46
They didn't have social media, so they had to hit the road.
45:50
Yeah!
45:50
Go in person, make it a live-in.
45:52
I love it.
45:53
Yeah.
45:54
It's wild and right, exactly what you're saying.
45:57
It's incredible to think of the people that have performed on those stages
46:02
that we know
46:03
Mm-hmm.
46:03
still today, right?
46:04
And they were just
46:05
Yeah.
46:06
hustling from city to city and performing
46:09
Wow.
46:09
everywhere they could. um Now, is there another experience that you had here
46:15
in Macon?
46:16
The only other experience that I had was at the Burke Mansion. was, well, I
46:21
had two kind of things beyond just like witnessing all of the discussions that
46:28
Morrighan was having or the ghost box is going off and seeing different like
46:34
shadows moving on Jonathan's display cameras.
46:37
I saw all those things, but When you were at the very beginning and you,
46:43
Morrighan and Jonathan were talking to the crowd and you were introducing what
46:49
was gonna happen that night, I closed my eyes and saw like a dark woman figure
46:55
kind of standing in front of y'all.
46:58
Yeah, there he is.
47:00
It's such a pretty house.
47:02
Right, there you are outside of Burke.
47:04
It's so beautiful.
47:04
Yes, and you can also, for those that don't know, you can also stay at Burke
47:08
Mansion as well.
47:09
That's another option.
47:11
Yes.
47:11
And then another time, there's uh a painting of, think, of Mr.
47:18
Burke's daughters on the wall.
47:21
Am I right about that?
47:24
Yes, yes, there's definitely, there is, there is, yeah, in the house.
47:30
Yeah, so I was, I kind of got close to it.
47:32
I was looking up at it and it was kind of where all of your or Jonathan's
47:37
equipment was that and I felt like tingling on my back and neck just like a
47:42
lot of tingling back there.
47:44
Um, and then weirdly in that same spot about maybe an hour or so later, there
47:49
was a woman standing there and she's talking to this guy and just for
47:53
reference, she had a cane.
47:55
So She was kind of leaning on the cane.
47:57
Yeah, yeah.
47:58
She's
47:59
I know who that is, actually.
48:01
Yeah.
48:02
the younger woman with the cane and she was talking to this guy and everything
48:05
was just having a conversation.
48:07
And then all of sudden it looked like she was about to fall over like
48:11
right.
48:12
faint or something.
48:13
And we all rushed over and she was just like, I don't know what happened, but
48:18
I just went, she was like, I just was like starting to go over and I don't
48:23
know if she, oh, did she lose her sight?
48:26
Was that what it was?
48:27
I think.
48:28
Gosh, I have to remember, I'm in contact with her, so I'm gonna ask her.
48:29
Yeah, yeah.
48:30
I can't remember if like it went, if I think she momentarily just like not,
48:35
she couldn't see anything and then it came back, but it was right near that
48:41
painting of the daughter.
48:43
And I was thinking, woman is, I was looking when I closed my eyes, I saw that
48:48
dark figure, I thought it.
48:50
And then when I had this feeling, I was like, I think the daughter's in here
48:56
as well.
48:57
Well, we definitely encountered the daughter or daughters, nothing negative.
49:03
And they actually seemed quite curious
49:07
Yeah.
49:08
about what we were doing and what the equipment was, which was fun. ah But
49:13
yeah, sometimes too, think that energy can be overwhelming.
49:17
And I think that
49:19
you
49:20
there was a lot of energy in the room because we were looking to communicate,
49:23
but there were also a lot of people in the room. there was like almost 60
49:27
people there.
49:27
So we have our energy and our intention.
49:29
And then you have all the other people that are there bringing in maybe
49:33
nervousness or anticipation or skepticism or like all these different things.
49:37
And then you may have the spirits there that are like, this is our home,
49:40
right?
49:40
And they may be curious,
49:42
Yeah.
49:47
Yes.
49:51
but then there may be other people that they're like, I don't.
49:52
I don't particularly like this guest or I don't like what they said or someone
49:55
Yeah.
49:57
may have said something negative about something about the furnishings or who
49:58
knows, right?
49:58
Or just something negative.
49:59
And so they may have not liked it, not to say that this person said anything
50:00
negative, but I remember that moment.
50:01
It's very strange.
50:01
Yeah, she had had, I believe back surgery and that's why she had her cane.
50:02
Yeah, she'd had surgery
50:03
Yeah.
50:07
Yeah.
50:12
Oh.
50:15
Yeah.
50:20
and so.
50:20
And so that's why she had the cane.
50:23
I'm going to ask
50:25
But
50:25
her about that again.
50:26
yes.
50:26
Speaking of the energy, I remember Morrighan saying, some of you might feel
50:31
bad the next day.
50:32
Like you have a hangover.
50:34
Oh my gosh, she was so right.
50:35
Because I didn't, I mean, there was some wine.
50:39
I think I had maybe like two glasses while I was there, but nothing to the
50:43
point that I should have felt as bad as I did the next day.
50:47
I was so tired.
50:48
I had a headache.
50:50
I had to like wake up and take Tylenol in the middle of the night.
50:54
I had a headache.
50:55
And I was like, I feel it, I feel it.
50:58
Yeah.
50:58
The investigation hangover is real.
51:01
Like I feel it too.
51:03
Even when we just investigate the three of us, I will get up the next day and
51:09
just feel exhausted, like feel really drained.
51:13
And Morrighan
51:15
Yeah.
51:15
always laughs.
51:15
She's like, yeah, it's for real.
51:17
Yes.
51:18
It's for real.
51:18
So when we, we typically don't have groups of people with us when we
51:22
investigate, that was a special event.
51:25
And You know, we may have something like that in October again in a different
51:29
location.
51:30
I know we got to get you back.
51:31
Um,
51:32
As you should, as you should.
51:34
it's really fun to do here in Macon and as a special event, but it's, it,
51:39
especially for Morrighan, it's a lot of energy to wrangle, you know, all of
51:45
those other spirits in the room and navigate through
51:49
I can imagine.
51:50
all of that energy to really tap into the energy that's already there.
51:55
So.
51:56
Thank
51:57
yeah, I, definitely felt it and gosh, that night, think that you were upstairs
52:03
during when we split up.
52:05
Yeah.
52:06
Cause downstairs we had
52:08
Yes, yeah.
52:08
You had some good conversations downstairs is what I heard, yeah.
52:15
Well, we had a lot of different interesting spirits come through.
52:18
It was intense.
52:19
And Mr.
52:19
Burke did show up downstairs, but he wouldn't come in the room.
52:22
He stayed in the hallway and he kept tripping off the REM pod but he wouldn't
52:26
come in the room. uh
52:28
Yeah.
52:28
Yeah.
52:28
Yeah, when we were upstairs, Jonathan had his camera out and it's like dark in
52:35
the room.
52:36
And we saw like a shadow peek its head, like as if it was like over here and
52:42
it went like this.
52:44
Okay, yeah.
52:46
And you can see the whole body like come in and then come back out.
52:49
That was wild.
52:50
Wow, that's really trippy.
52:51
Yeah, it's wild.
52:52
It's funny now that we are investigating more often.
52:54
My experience has been since I was a child, I would see things and I didn't
52:58
really understand what I was seeing or what I was experiencing.
53:01
And it wasn't really until like the onslaught of like the ghost paranormal.
53:04
shows that came on that I really was like, oh, this is this is what I see.
53:08
This is OK.
53:09
It's other people to uh that.
53:10
I realized that that there's a whole group of people out there that go out and
53:14
look for that evidence and those experiences.
53:16
And at first, you know, I really focused more on the development and creation
53:20
of different shows
53:21
Yeah.
53:28
Mm-hmm.
53:39
around different teams, different topics, etc.
53:42
So I was. behind the scenes.
53:44
And so it wasn't until Macon Beyond and now, of course, with Echoes of the
53:49
South that I'm front-facing and really getting into it myself.
53:53
And so it's really fun to go and explore these locations and tell these
53:58
stories and learn a lot.
53:59
I learned so much from Morrighan and Jon So you definitely came to make it and
54:05
you were not a skeptic.
54:06
So it's not like we changed your mind about the paranormal, but we may have
54:11
changed your mind about Macon.
54:14
Yeah.
54:14
Yes, like.
54:15
I mean, you always want to kind of experience things.
54:19
Okay, to be honest, I would visit New Orleans like once a year for like six
54:24
years, kind of before the pandemic, hoping I would have a paranormal
54:29
experience.
54:30
And I only saw one thing happen any of any of those times.
54:34
And New Orleans is known to be this like big paranormal hotspot.
54:39
Yeah.
54:40
Absolutely.
54:40
Yeah, I've had crazy.
54:41
I've had a crazy, well, a few like it was one trip.
54:44
I had like a whole string of wild things happen on a trip there years ago.
54:49
Yeah.
54:49
So definitely.
54:50
But Macon's like the sleeper hit.
54:52
Like it's like the one that you're not expecting.
54:55
Yes.
54:55
Yeah, and I think I was talking to Morrighan about this because I do think
55:01
it's underrated.
55:02
And you were saying this, like the spirits are not as like comfortable with
55:08
people coming in and investigating them or trying to connect with them.
55:14
That maybe that's why so much activity is happening because it's not as noisy
55:20
in a way as New Orleans or other places that are known to be haunted.
55:25
Does that make sense?
55:27
Savannah.
55:28
right or you know Savannah which is our neighbor yes yeah somewhat yeah I mean
55:33
Yeah.
55:34
Savannah is very noisy about it and I love that they're noisy about it and I
55:37
love that they're really noisy about their history and they don't shy away
55:41
from it you know they're very in your
55:43
No.
55:43
face with here's what happened ah and
55:46
Yeah.
55:47
I love that they're very honest about it I think that you know in Macon
55:50
there's a lot of em undiscovered stories and there's a lot for somebody to
55:53
come and discover themselves and unpack and uncover and and they're a little
55:57
we're a little more low-key about it here in Macon but if you have an
56:00
adventurous heart and investigative mind you know there's definitely some fun
56:03
adventures to get into um in Macon and I love that
56:06
Yeah.
56:07
Yes.
56:08
And you kind of have it all to yourself in a way too.
56:21
Right, it's not overly crowded of people trying
56:22
Yeah, no.
56:24
to have that experience. and if you
56:27
Yeah.
56:27
find the right employees, maybe not at 1842, but if you find the right, if
56:30
you, Burke will tell you the stories.
56:32
Sure, go to Burke house and they're telling you there's something there.
56:37
Yeah.
56:38
you have the right employees, they will tell you those fun stories, which are
56:41
Yes.
56:42
always, which are always great.
56:44
I know that, I was, someone shared a story with me a few months back about a
56:49
producer that was working out of Capricorn Studios and he had an unexplained
56:55
experience in the studio.
56:57
Oh.
56:58
So, and called Visit Macon and was like, is it haunted?
57:01
Cause somebody, something just happened.
57:04
So,
57:05
Yeah.
57:06
you know, we've got, there's a lot of, there's a lot of spirits roaming around
57:10
that are waiting to tell their story.
57:12
And so I'm hoping you get to come back and tell some more.
57:16
Me too, I'm so glad I got to meet the spirits that I did and they were lovely
57:18
and the people
57:19
I love it.
57:22
who connected me with the spirits were even better.
57:25
Amazing.
57:25
Well, I...
57:27
Yes, so thank you for that weekend.
57:30
Oh, yeah.
57:30
You followed up your visit here with a great article, which was really, really
57:38
fun.
57:39
Thank you.
57:41
And I got to participate in that a little bit with you.
57:44
But yeah, here it is here.
57:46
And this was in Fodor's travel.
57:48
And I'm going to link all of this to um in the show notes.
57:51
So for those of you that want to follow up and and take a look at Alex's
57:56
article and where you can find her in writing, et cetera, you've written
58:01
novels, you've got there's a lot that you can follow up with Alex about um
58:05
that.
58:06
That's all going to be in the show notes so you can figure out how to how to
58:10
find her.
58:11
What is there any, do you have any big trips or anything that you're working
58:16
on or any
58:17
Thank you.
58:22
great new novels that you are about to publish?
58:25
Any big news you can share with us?
58:28
Well, I don't have any book publishing news right now, but I did finish
58:33
editing a novel yesterday.
58:34
So I'm almost in the stages of giving it to my agent and then hopefully we can
58:40
sell it.
58:40
And it has some horror, murder, true crime elements to it.
58:45
So that's fun.
58:46
Oh, well, you'll definitely keep us in the loop about that.
58:50
That sounds really, really exciting.
58:53
Yeah, yeah, and I mean, my other novels are magical realism.
58:57
So what are ghosts, not part of the magical realism genre where we live in our
59:02
reality and magical things happen around us.
59:05
So I love this.
59:06
Yeah.
59:07
That's right, absolutely.
59:08
Absolutely.
59:08
Sometimes they're happening around us and we don't even realize it.
59:12
That's
59:13
And I'm okay not knowing.
59:15
right.
59:18
There's things I don't have to know all about it, so that's okay.
59:21
Well, I think for me, it's like I always like to try to figure it out if I
59:26
can.
59:26
But there's something magical about the mystery of life that we won't ever
59:31
know all the answers.
59:33
Right.
59:33
Not here
59:34
No.
59:34
Yeah.
59:35
anyway.
59:35
Not not while we're sitting here. um And so life, think, would be dull without
59:41
some mystery.
59:42
So we got to leave some of it to mystery.
59:45
Yes, some mystery and magic and have a blast with it.
59:49
You can do it at Macon'.
59:51
I did.
59:52
That's amazing.
59:52
Well, we loved having you and I hope you get a chance to come back and
59:57
definitely keep me in the loop of all your adventures and also just any
1:00:01
updates with the activity in your house.
1:00:04
I'm curious to see if something kicks up again.
1:00:07
Maybe the talk today is like spurned a little,
1:00:10
We'll see.
1:00:12
Yeah.
1:00:13
hey, I'm still here.
1:00:15
It'll be all night just touching me and my neck.
1:00:17
Hahahaha
1:00:19
He used to touch my feet a lot at night, which I was like, okay, I see you.
1:00:25
Yeah.
1:00:26
Interesting, interesting. my gosh.
1:00:28
Well, thank you so much for joining me on the podcast.
1:00:32
This is it's been great to kind of walk through your adventures here in Macon
1:00:37
and gosh and learn a little bit more about your home and other experiences and
1:00:42
to find out what you're up to now.
1:00:45
Thank you.
1:00:45
I had such a great time.
1:00:48
Great, we will talk to you again soon, I'm sure.
1:00:51
Bye.
1:00:52
One of the things I appreciated most about this conversation with Alex is that
1:00:55
she never tried to force certainty into the unexplained.
1:00:58
And honestly, maybe that's the point.
1:01:00
Sometimes the most meaningful experiences are the ones we can't fully explain.
1:01:04
The places that linger with us, the moments our instincts react before our
1:01:08
mind catches up, the stories that quietly follow us home.
1:01:11
A huge thank you to Alex Temblador for joining me for this episode and for
1:01:14
being open to exploring the spaces between skepticism, storytelling, history,
1:01:18
and experience.
1:01:19
If you've had an unexplained experience or would like to request an
1:01:22
investigation, visit EchoesOfTheSouth.com.
1:01:25
Join us as we continue uncovering the stories, the history, and the mysteries
1:01:29
that echo throughout the South.
1:01:30
Until next time, stay close.