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032 - Secret Lives of Mormon Wives S3 E6 · Reality Hits Mat

• Michelle Harris: Ready? Mat: put echo cancellation on both of them, but then when you hit record it isn't on one. Yeah, turn it on for both, but maybe you can only put it on one. Michelle Harris: Maybe. Mat: ⁓ Michelle Harris: All right, you ready? Mat: Yes, now I'm ready. Michelle Harris: Welcome back to Reality Hits Matt. I'm your host, Michelle. And I'm Matt. Today we'll be talking about season three, episode six of Secret Lives of Mormon Wives. All right. Yeah. Mat: And I'm Matt. Today we'll be talking about season three, episode six of Secret Lives of Mormon Wives. Alright. So past the halfway point. Yeah. Michelle Harris: Yeah, we got ⁓ four more episodes and a reunion after this one. Okay. Great. Great. Are you excited to end? ⁓ no, I'm just excited to leave Uhhuh. Mat: Okay, great. ⁓ no, I'm just excited to be here listening to my favorite ⁓ reality TV podcast host tell me all about it. Michelle Harris: ⁓ my goodness. Mat: ⁓ I guess let me give a quick recap of season three, episode five, last week's episode Yeah. ⁓ it started out a few of the girls were together, I think having brunch or something after Jordan's cookout. Jesse, Macy, Michaela, Miranda, Taylor. Michelle Harris: Yeah. Yeah. ⁓ it started out a few of the Mm-hmm. Jesse, Macy, Michaela, Miranda, Taylor. Mat: I think. ⁓ Jesse was they were kinda giving Jesse the rundown of how it went and all that. ⁓ Taylor, I think, was kinda like not really sure, like trying to tell the girls like not to bash Jordan, like he's trying to change, like Taylor still thinks like they're trying to like mend their marriage. Right. ⁓ so there's that. ⁓ Taylor mentions that Michelle Harris: He was they were kinda giving Jesse the rundown of how Taylor I think was kinda like tell the girls like not to bash Jordan like he's trying to change like Taylor still thinks like they're trying to like mend their marriage. Right. ⁓ so there's that. ⁓ Taylor mentions that there will be the interviews for Dancing with the Stars. Mm-hmm. ⁓ Jen is very excited about this. Yes. I think Layla was excited. She said she grew up watching it. Yes. Mat: There will be the interviews for Dancing with the Stars. ⁓ Jen is very excited about this. I think Layla was excited. She said she grew up watching it. ⁓ I don't know if that happened at that brunch or not, maybe shortly after. But I think at the brunch Miranda mentions that she invited Whitney to her birthday party and all the girls are like, What the hell? Yeah, well all this happened Michelle Harris: I don't know if that happened at that brunch or not, maybe shortly after. But I think at the brunch Miranda mentions that she invited Whitney to her birthday party. Mm-hmm. And all the girls are like, What the hell? Yeah, well all this happened at the farm. Farm with the goats. With the goats. Yeah. Mat: Farm with the goats. Okay. All right. Anyway. So Whitney's coming back. Yeah. she's invited to the birthday party. I guess there's actually she comes back and does some filming. It's her and a couple of her friends. And the producers are asking her about like the Oscar tickets and all that. She's she said that she that wasn't really what she said. ⁓ but she did want to part in a scripted show. Yeah. And she's back now because of the dancing with the stars opportunity. Michelle Harris: Anyway, so Whitney's coming back. Yeah. Some filming, it's her and a couple of her friends and the producers are asking her about like the Oscar tickets and all that. Yeah, she said that she that wasn't really what she said. Yeah. ⁓ but she did want to park in a scripted show. Yeah. And she's back now because of the Dancing with the Stars opportunity. Yep. So all the girls are kinda pissed about that. And she thinks that she's still in Mom Talk apparently. She never officially left Mom Talk. Mat: So all the girls are kinda pissed about that. And she thinks that she's still in Mom Talk apparently. She never officially left Mom Talk. Yeah, she's like I didn't officially leave, I just stopped filming. Yeah. So I didn't like quit mom talk. Right, right. ⁓ so Yeah. So Miranda's birthday party comes, ⁓ Whitney does show up. Michelle Harris: Yeah, she's like, Well I didn't officially leave, I just stopped filming. So I didn't like quit mom talk. Yeah. So Mm-hmm. Mat: All the girls are like, ⁓ you know, you're crashing another birthday party It's like, Well, no, I was invited, so I'm here. ⁓ she's back for the show. Michelle Harris: Yeah. Show. Mat: Yeah, I I'm trying to think what else. Before the birthday party there was Michaela and is it Jace? we're talking and in sh about her therapy and her issues with being abused as a girl and all that. So she's trying new therapy. He's very supportive of it. So there's there's that going on. then there was one other thing. I'm all out of order here. There was an influencer event. Michelle Harris: Yeah, I I'm trying to think what else. Before the birthday party there was Michaela and is it Jace? Yep. ⁓ we're talking and And her issues with being abused as a girl and all that. So she's trying new therapy, he's very supportive of it. So there's there's that going on. Mm-hmm. ⁓ then there was one other thing, I'm all out of order here. There was an influencer event. Yeah. Like all the girls were at, and it was a ton of influencers, and Demi was there. Mm-hmm. And that kind of broke out into like a a shouting man. Mat: that like all the girls were at and it was a ton of influencers and Demi was there and that kinda broke out into like a a shouting match. ⁓ I guess the the show wasn't filming, so it was a bunch of people with their phones out recording all this ⁓ craziness. And then I think it was ⁓ Taylor you had said kinda got Jesse to calm down. She's like, just let d Demi be an idiot. Like don't like this doesn't need to go further and got her to calm down and Michelle Harris: I guess the the show wasn't filming, so it was a bunch of people with their phones out recording all this. Yeah craziness. And then I think it was ⁓ Taylor you had said, kinda got Jesse to calm down. Yeah. Just let Dummy be an idiot, like don't like this doesn't need to go further and got her to calm down and Yeah. And that was that. ⁓ and then they're actually Mat: Yeah. And that was that. ⁓ and then they're actually Demi's gonna be back this week, maybe? Yeah. Okay, 'cause it's the the press tour for season two. Okay. Michelle Harris: Demi's gonna be back this week, maybe? Yep. Okay, 'cause it's the ⁓ the press tour for season for season two. Two. Yep. Okay. The only other thing I wanna mention is when all the girls got together with Whitney at Miranda's house. ⁓ because that does come up a little bit this episode. Yeah, and so they were like, What are your intentions on being back? and like it very much seemed like they were like gaining up on her and she left kind of an emotional and said, you know, like how I ended it, I'm just treating this like this is business, we're not friends and that's how I need to treat it. So I came back for an opportunity. Which yeah, that makes sense. And I remember you saying like when she was like voted back in Yeah, it was like Mat: Right, they had to have a meeting and This is business, we're not friends. Yeah. Which yeah, that makes sense. And I remember you saying like when she was like voted back in it was like whatever, she's here I'm not gonna be your friend. Like they're all that shit, so Michelle Harris: You can be here but like whate yeah. Yeah. So she's like Cool. Like then d I'm not wanted anyway. Doesn't matter. Mat: Well, now she's back and we know she's gonna make dancing with the stars, obviously, because that has already happened. Alright, well tell us about ⁓ episode six. So episode six is the book of confrontation. ⁓ so we are in LA and the girls arrive and the girls arrive Michelle Harris: She is back. Yeah. That has already happened. All right. Well, tell us about ⁓ episode six. So episode six is the book of confrontation. ⁓ so we are in LA and the girls arrive. And the girls arrive for ⁓ they're Mm. Whoa. So we're in we are in El Boba. So we're Just talk, Michelle. Mat: So we're we are in out of Sorry. Just talk about it. ⁓ boy. Today, Junior So we are in Michelle Harris: So we're in LA and the girls arrive for their dancing with the stars, ⁓ and their ⁓ Mat: Yeah, let's take it from the top. Episode six. Tell me about it. No. So we're in LA and the girls arrive for their press tour and they're dancing with the stars and a Hulu Get Real event. Okay. So they have all these things going on this week. ⁓ busy. Yeah. All the girls, minus Whitney and Demi. Michelle Harris: six, tell me about it. You want me to star all the way up here. So we were in LA and the girls arrived for their press tour and they're dancing with the stars and a Hulu get real event. Okay. So they have all these things going on this week. yeah. All the girls minus Whitney and Demi, ⁓ are staying at the they like all take the bus over together to the same hotel, but they're all staying at the same hotel. So Whitney and Demi are already there. Taylor says that she felt bad for how harsh she was on Whitney when they were at Miranda's house. ⁓ so she does wanna eventually have a conversation with Whitney about that. Okay. Mat: staying at the they all like all take the bus over together to the same hotel but they're all staying at the same hotel so Britney and Demi are already there. Taylor says that she felt bad for how harsh she was on Whitney when they were at Miranda's house. ⁓ so she does want to eventually have a conversation with Whitney about that. Okay, alright. Miranda says Whitney Miranda tells the girls as they're like all checking in to like the hotel desk, and she tells them, like, ⁓ Whitney just texted me her room number. And Michaela made a snarky comment saying, I see you're still in contact with her. And it's like Michelle Harris: Miranda says Whitney Miranda tells the girls as they're all like all checking in to like the hotel desk and she tells them like, ⁓ Whitney just texted me her room number and Michaela made a snarky comment saying, I see you're still in contact with her and it's like, I thought that was already established. So I was a little confused by that snarky comment. And then Jen's like, ⁓ I can't handle this. I'm too pregnant to handle this and like Mat: established so right confused by that snarky comment and then Jen's like ⁓ I can't handle this I'm too pregnant to handle this like it she's in her Michelle Harris: Like it she's in her hotel room. Like everyone calm down. They're ⁓ they're all in the lobby and Jen says that she's sure Whitney is in her hotel room practicing and she goes, five, six, seven. Like she's like dance like ⁓ like mimicking her or mocking her in the hotel lobby. And Taylor's just hoping Whitney doesn't drive a bigger wedge in mom talk this trip. So we'll have to see how it all plays out. Mat: They're ⁓ they're all in the lobby and Jen says that she's sure Whitney is in her hotel room practicing and she goes five, six, seven she's like dance like like making her own lobby. Right, right. And Taylor's just hoping Whitney doesn't drive a bigger wedge in mom talk this trip. So we'll have to Michelle Harris: The intro plays and the girls all go out to dinner minus Whitney and Demi. ⁓ we don't really see like a lot of interaction between Whitney and Demi and like all the girls. But there are one off conversations that happen later. Okay. Mat: The intro plays and the girls all go out to dinner minus Whitney and Denis. ⁓ we don't really see like a lot of interaction between Whitney and Denis and like all the girls. Okay. But there are one off conversations that happen later. Okay. Jen tells the girls that she's really excited for tomorrow, which is the Dancing with the Stars interview, and that's all she can really focus on right now. Okay, yeah. Michelle Harris: Jen tells the girls that she's really excited for tomorrow, which is the Dancing with the Stars interview, and that's all she can really focus on right now is like how excited she is for it. Layla shows everyone the a TikTok that says so in the middle after they kinda like all calm down from the Dancing with the Stars talk. Mat: Layla shows everyone the a TikTok that says so in the middle after they kinda like all calm down from the dancing with the stars talk, Layla goes, ⁓ and she looks at a TikTok on her phone and it's Marciano. So Layla shows everyone a TikTok and the TikTok says, Uninvited from the function 'cause a thirty year old Mormon wife's scared, I'll tell her husband the truth. So what Michelle Harris: Layla goes, ⁓ and she looks at a TikTok on her phone and it's Marciano. So Layla shows everyone a TikTok and the TikTok says, uninvited from the function 'cause a thirty year old Mormon wife's scared, I'll tell her husband the truth. So supposed so supposedly Marciano was supposed to be going to the Hulu get real event with all the other girls because he's on Vanderpump Villa. Mat: Marciano was supposed to be going to the Hulu Get Real event with all the other girls because he's on Vanderpump Villa. ⁓ okay. So all of his co-stars are going to this event. I guess he was uninvited from the event because Demi did not want him there. ⁓ okay. So he's alleging that and Demi's only thirty-year-old Mormon wife. Okay, gotcha. It was definitely an attack on her, saying, like, ⁓ she's afraid I'm gonna tell her husband. Michelle Harris: So all of his co stars are going to this event. I guess he was uninvited from the event because Demi did not want him there. ⁓ okay. So he's alleging that and Demi's the only thirty year old Mormon wife. So like it was definitely an attack on her, saying like, ⁓ she's afraid I'm gonna tell her husband the truth. Mat: okay. So Michaela thinks that Demi was behind this because if Marciono isn't there, Demi can really plant her side of the story. Yeah, yeah. Especially with like his cast and like everyone at this event. Right. And try to get ahead of the season two drama or season three drama. Yeah, yeah. It's press day one and Michelle Harris: So Michaela thinks that Demi was behind this because if Marciono isn't there, Demi can really plant her side of the story. Yeah. Especially with like his cast and like everyone at this event. Right. And try to get ahead of the season two drama or season three drama, I suppose. It's press day one and Jesse is there. She got in late from the ⁓ so ⁓ sorry. I should have mentioned Jesse wasn't with the girls that entire time. Okay. Mat: Jessie is there. She got in late from the ⁓ so ⁓ sorry. I should have mentioned Jessie wasn't with the girls that entire time. Okay. She was actually at Disneyland with Jordan and the kids on a family vacation. Okay. All right. So Jessie says she knows that sounds probably weird to people. Right. They're really trying to keep their focus on their kids right now. Yeah. And just trying to keep things as normal as possible for their sake. So they thought going on this little family vacation would Michelle Harris: She was actually at Disneyland with Jordan and the kids on a family vacation. Okay. So Jesse says she knows that sounds probably weird to a bunch of people, but they are really trying to keep their focus on their kids right now and just try to keep things as normal as possible for their sake. So they thought going on this little family vacation would get kind of away from all the drama and just kind of be like lighthearted. So she's there now. She got in really late the night before. Mat: get kind of away from all the drama and just really play a hard day. Okay. So she is there now. She got in really late the night before. ⁓ a fan page reposted Marciano's TikTok and Demi commented on it. And so Denise commented on Michelle Harris: ⁓ a fan page reposted Marciano's TikTok and Demi commented on it. And so Demi commented on this TikTok and I took a photo of it. And she wrote, grown men acting like a child because they couldn't bag a woman that was beyond out of their league and married. The clout chasing is on another level. Someone responded to Demi and their names blurred, Bag a woman that was beyond out of their league. Girl, please sit all the way down. Mat: And she wrote Grown men acting like a child because they couldn't bag a woman Someone responded to to me and their names blurred, bag a woman that was beyond out of their league, girl, please sit all the way down. ⁓ ⁓ man. She then commented again and says Also he got uninvited by At Hulu because he's a sexual predator. That can't keep his hands to himself. Not because I'm hiding anything from my husband. He's a lying clout cheeser and tagged Marciona. I hope your fifteen minutes of fame is worth it. You're pathetic. So this is the point where Michelle Harris: She then commented again and says, also he got uninvited by at Hulu because he's a sexual predator. That can't keep his hands to himself. Not because I'm hiding anything from my husband. He's a lying clout chaser and tagged Marciano. I hope your fifteen minutes of fame is worth it. You're a pathetic. So this is the point where Demi starts spitting the story that Marciano is a sexual predator. Mat: Start spinning the story that Marciano is a sexual predator. Okay. And that he actually assaulted her at the villa. She didn't like want the touching and the kissing that she was assaulted by him in that sense. Okay. But still is adamant that they didn't kiss. She said that he grabbed her butt twice and she didn't want that to happen. Okay. Michelle Harris: And that he actually assaulted her at the villa. She didn't like want the touching and the kissing. Like she she was assaulted by him in that sense. Okay. But still is adamant that they didn't kiss. She said that he grabbed her butt twice and she didn't want that to happen. There was some confusion with the girls because originally Demi was trying to say Marciano was a predator at the ⁓ villa. So like she came and told the girls that. But then she admitted to Brett and the girls that she was really flirty with him and led him on. And they showed unaired footage of Demi admitting this to Brett, saying, you know, I was pretty flirty and I was grabbing his hand. ⁓ so they're just like, Okay, now we're back to the Predator story. Like Mat: There was some confusion with the girls because originally Demi was trying to say Marciano was a predator at the ⁓ villa. So like she came and told the girls that. And they showed unaired footage of Demi admitting this to Brett, saying that it's pretty flirty and I was grabbing his hand. ⁓ so they're just like, Okay, now we're back to the Predator story because maybe it twists your narrative in the way that makes you seem okay. Yeah. So And if he's such a predator, why was she texting him so much? That comes up later. Okay. All right. Michelle Harris: Because maybe it twists your narrative in the way that makes you seem okay. Like so they're just very confused. ⁓ Macy is getting her hair and makeup done, and then Demi shows up in the room. So they all are taking turns, like they have a schedule, and it's in like this tiny hotel room, and so like the chairs are like closer than we are, and they're all getting makeup done. So Macy was by herself at first, and then Demi came into the room, and then Whitney eventually joins them to talk with Demi. So Mat: Macy is getting her hair and makeup done and then Demi shows up in the room. So they all are taking turns, like they have a schedule, and it's in like this tiny hotel room. And so like the chairs are like closer than we are, and they're all getting makeup done. So Macy was buying herself at first and then Demi came into the room and then Whitney eventually joins them to talk with Demi. So Michelle Harris: Demi then they showed Demi on the couch for the her like first interview back for season three. So she hasn't been on camera yet. So her showing up to she was right. She was ⁓ at the one event for the plane. Yeah. And then the event Mat: To me then they showed to me on the couch for that her interview back for season three. So she hasn't been on camera yet. So her showing up ⁓ right, she's just she was right. She was ⁓ at the one event for the private planes and then the event last week yeah where she was just there screaming and it was so she hasn't been like interviewed by producers or she hasn't showed okay so this is her first interview ⁓ back. Okay. A producer asked to me why she quit mom talk and why did Michelle Harris: Yeah. she was just there screaming and but she hasn't been like interviewed by producers or she hasn't been like officially on the show. So this is her first interview back. Okay. A producer asked Demi why she quit Mom Talk and why did she s decide to stop filming and not come back for season three. Demi said that leaving Mom Talk came down to feeling like she wasn't being valued, but she says she's officially back filming. She said she's back to set the record straight. Mat: she decided to stop filming and not come back for season three. Demi said that leaving Mom Talk came down to feeling like she wasn't being valued, but she says she's officially back filming. She said she's back to set the record straight. She didn't think that she had a fair chance to tell her side of the story. Okay. Demi then approaches Macy and says hi. Like she's like, ⁓ hi gorgeous and Macy is like, I'm extremely uncomfortable. ⁓ Michelle Harris: She didn't think that she had a fair chance to tell her side of the story. Okay. Demi then approaches Macy and says, Hi. Like she's like, ⁓ hi, gorgeous. And Macy is like, I'm extremely uncomfortable right now. I don't want to be here. Macy said that her and Demi never really had a falling out. ⁓ but based on the characteristics and actions that she's seen and heard from the other girls, she just wants to get her glam done and go do press and get out of there. So she doesn't really want to interact with Demi at all. Yeah. At that moment, Whitney walks in the room and Macy's like, ⁓ shit. So at first, like they're both just sitting on their phones and like not really talking, but then when Whitney comes in, obviously her and Demi start talking. So Macy's sitting there Mat: Macy said that her and Denis never really had a falling out, ⁓ but based on the characteristics and actions that she's seen and heard from the other girls, she just wants to get her lamb done and go do press and get out of there. Okay. Yeah. At that moment Whitney walks in the room and Macy's like, ⁓ shit. So at first they're both just sitting on their phones. So Macy's sitting there hearing their conversation and she's just like typing away on her phone, texting Jesse. ⁓ Whitney says that this is the first time so in an interview she was like, This is the first time we'll all be together, and she says she's clearly not welcome in mom talk, but she can't even think about that because today is her interview with Dina Katz. So Dina Katz is the casting Michelle Harris: They're hearing their conversation and she's just like typing away on her phone, texting Jesse. Whitney says that this is the first time. So in an interview, she's like, This is the first time we'll all be together, and she says she's clearly not welcome in mom talk, but she can't even think about that because today is her interview with Dina Katz. So Dina Katz is the casting manager, casting director of Dancing with the Stars. So every single person that gets picked as a celebrity. Mat: manager, casting director of Dancing with the Stars. So every single person that gets picked as a celebrity, and I think some pros, but not all pros, because I think that goes to some of the choreographers and producers, but really the celebrities are all casted by Dina Cad. Okay. And so she takes a lot of time to like pick the celebrity and then that kind of translates into like which pros get picked for the season because depending on height and personality, like they kind of pull in from Michelle Harris: And I think some pros, but not all pros, because I think that goes to some of their choreographers and producers. But really the celebrities are all casted by Dina Katz. Okay. And so she takes a lot of time to like Pick the celebrity and then that kinda translates into like which pros get picked for the season because depending on height and personality, like they kinda pull in from their whole list of pros. So most pros don't even know if they're on the show until maybe a couple weeks before Dancing with the Stars start, or right when the cast gets announced, they'll get told they're on the show. So sometimes they're like, I hope I'm still on, I hope I made a good impression, I hope like they find someone that like matches with me. Mat: Their whole list of pros Yeah. Most pros don't even know if they're on the show until maybe a couple weeks before dancing on the screen. ⁓ wow, okay. Right when the cast gets announced, they'll get told they're on the show. Okay. So sometimes they're like, I hope I'm still on, I hope I'm still someone that like matches with me. Whitney asks for Jim ⁓ Michelle Harris: Whitney asks for dem So Whitney asks how Demi is doing and they start talking in front of Macy about Marciona's post, about him being uninvited from the event. Demi says that she's not sitting back and gonna let him say. Demi said that she's not gonna sit back and let him say that she had an affair with ⁓ with him when it was really him and Jesse were the ones that had the affair together. And like Macy just like starts smiling at this point because at this point, Demi does not know that Jesse did a lie detector test. ⁓ okay. So she's still like, this happened. ⁓ she's still pushing. Yes. Yes. Yes. Okay. So she's like, why is he saying like why is he on this post saying that Mat: Me said that she's not gonna sit back and let him say that she had an affair with ⁓ with him when it was really him and Jesse were the ones that had the affair together. Right. Like Macy just like starts smiling at this point because at this point Demi does not know that Jesse did a lie detector test. ⁓ okay. So she's still like this happened. ⁓ she's still pushing the the lie. Yeah. Okay. So she's like, Why is he saying like why is he on this post saying that I'm the one that Michelle Harris: I'm the one that had an affair with him and he like he's gonna tell my husband when in reality it was Jesse and him. Right, right. Like focus on that. Yeah. ⁓ Demi said Jesse and Marciano formed an alliance to spin things on her after everything came out. Macy is texting Jesse, telling her what they're all saying. And Whitney says to me, So you think Jesse and Marciano got together? And Demi says, I would bet. Mat: had an affair with him and he like he's gonna tell my husband when in reality it was Jesse and him focus on that. Yeah. Me said Jesse and Marciona formed an alliance to spin things on her after everything came out. Macy is texting Jesse, telling her what they're all saying. And Whitney says to me it's so you think Jesse and Marciona got together? And Denise says I would bet Michelle Harris: on my life that that's what happened. at that point they like show Jesse and Macy's text and Jessie's asking what Whitney is saying and she's saying that Macy is saying that they're getting into it but the drama that's going on and Macy says, yes, they're talking about all of it and I'm trying to bite my tongue. And she kinda makes it seem like Whitney and Demi are talking shit, but like from what they showed and Mat: ⁓ at that point they like show Jesse and Macy's text and Jesse's asking what Whitney is saying and she is saying that Macy is saying that they're getting into it but the drama that's going on and Macy says, Yes, they are talking about all of it and I'm trying to bite my tongue. And she kinda makes it seem like Whitney and Demi are talking shit, but like from what they showed and Michelle Harris: From what I gathered, it didn't seem like what they were airing Whitney was really saying much of anything. She was just kind of asking confirming questions. Like, ⁓ so you thought that? It was very much a just let me hear you out kind of conversation with to me. I didn't it wasn't to me, it wasn't Whitney bashing or shit talking to any of the girls. So I kinda was like, Why would me like Mat: What I gathered, it didn't seem like what they were airing Whitney was really saying much of anything. She was just kind of asking confirming questions. Okay. ⁓ so you thought that? It was very much a just let me hear you out kind of conversation. Yeah. But to me, I didn't it wasn't to me, it wasn't Whitney bashing or shit talking to any of the girls. Right, okay. So I kind of was like, why would mean like I get you don't like Whitney? She's fine. Michelle Harris: I get you don't like Whitney and she's friends with me, but she wasn't shit talking Jesse. To mi se lu Demi says to Whitney, what sucks is that this alliance is formed around Jesse's word, but she still gives gr Layla grace about everything and she still gives Macy and Mikael grace. So she says Macy's name. Mat: Demi says to Whitney, what sucks is that this alliance is formed around Jesse's word. But she still gives gr Layla grace about everything and she still gives Macy and Michaela Grace. So she says Macy's name in front of Macy in this room. So she's like, I still give Macy grace. I still give Michaela Grace it And Macy's like, Keep my name out of your mouth. Yeah, yeah. ⁓ so at that point she does speak up and to me turns she goes, No, I said I'd give you guys grace because you guys have never gone Michelle Harris: in front of Macy in this room. So she's like, I still give Macy grace. I still give Michaela grace. And Macy's like, keep my name out of your mouth. Like, why are you saying that? ⁓ so at that point she does speak up. And Demi turns, she goes, No, I said I give you guys grace because you guys have never gone through what some of us have gone through. And Macy goes, gone through what? And Demi says being cut out and ostra shot ostra Mat: what some of us have gone through and Macy goes, gone through what? And Demi says, being cut out in ostra shot ostra Michelle Harris: ostracized and demise being cut out and being ostracized and being talked about heavily on TikToks by the other girls. Demi brings up so like in that moment she's talking like Whitney understands her and Taylor should understand her and like all this stuff but Macy's still in her mind I guess she's like Mat: And Demi says being cut out and being ostracized and being talked about heavily on TikToks by the other girls. Demi brings up so like in that moment she's talking like Whitney understands her and Taylor should understand her and like all this stuff, but Maisie's still in her mind, I guess, she's like I don't Michelle Harris: I don't It seemed like she was like, I don't understand or sympathize with you, I think is a better word, because of the actions you've taken. Mat: It seemed like she was like, I don't understand or sympathize with you, I think is a better word, because of the actions you've taken. Like you've done some of this to yourself by posting on social media. Right, right. Commenting on TikToks, by accusing people of being a sexual predator, by not trying to like talk like a normal person and then threatening to go on a TikTok live. Michelle Harris: Like you've done some of this to yourself by posting on social media, by commenting on TikToks, by accusing people of being a sexual predator, by not trying to like talk like a normal person and then threatening to go on a TikTok live and the producers had to tell you you're breaching contract. All this stuff, I think, in Macy's mind is is like, No, that's why I don't want to talk to you. At that point to me, kind of turns this conversation into Mat: And the producers had to tell you you're breaching contract. Yeah. All this stuff I think in Macy's mind is is like, no, that's why I don't want to talk to you. Yeah. At that point to me kinda turns this conversation into the whole thing about Marciano being a predator. Michelle Harris: the whole thing about Marciano being a predator and she brings up that girls like Macy and Michaela should understand what she's going through because they have also been victims of sexual assault. And at that point, Macy's face was like, fuck you Mat: And she brings up that girls like Macy and Michaela should understand what she's going through because they have also been victims of sexual assault. And at that point, Macy's face was like, Fuck you. So Macy in an interview says, I do not like this comparison of what I went through to Denise's situation. It's two in her opinion, she said it's two very different spectrums. She goes, I was beaten, I was choked, I was Michelle Harris: So Macy in an interview says, I do not like this comparison of what I went through to Demi's situation. It's two in her opinion she said it's two very different spectrums. She goes, I was beaten, I was choked, I was raped, I was, you know, I was verbally abused. And so she goes, That compared to what I'm understanding Demi went to is just not a fair comparison at all. And so she's just like, I don't Mat: you know, I was verbally abused. And so she goes, That compared to what I'm understanding Demi went to is just not a fair comparison. Right, right. And so she's just like, I don't Michelle Harris: I can't. And so at that point Macy tells Demi that there's a lot of things happening and she goes, There's a lot of information being thrown out there to dissect and I don't think anyone fully knows the truth. But Jesse did do a lie detector test and they were asked if they slept together and they said no and it came back that they were telling the truth. And Demi's face was like so shocked. She was like Mat: I can't. And so at that point Macy tells Demi that there's a lot of things happening and she goes, There's a lot of information being thrown out there to dissect and I don't think anyone fully knows the truth. But Jesse did do a lie detector test and they were asked if they slept together and they said no and it came back that they were telling the truth. And Demi's face was like so shocked. She was like, Wait what? They did what? Michelle Harris: Wait, what? They did what? Like all this stuff. So that was the first inkling well, that was the first time Demi found out that A, Jesse Marciano met up to talk about all this, but also that the girls are involved in that they did a lie detector test. Mat: Like all this stuff. So that was the first inkling well, that was the first time Demi found out that A Jesse Marciano met up to talk about all this, but also that the girls are involved in that they did a lot of Right, right. Okay. So it cuts to the Dancing with the Stars interview with s interviews with Dina Katz. ⁓ Michelle Harris: So it cuts to the Dancing with the Stars interview with interviews with Dina Katz. ⁓ Jen goes first and she says she's so excited. And Dina asks if she has any dance experience, and she says no, she's never had any formal training, but being Hispanic, she's just ready to dance and shake her booty. Jesse says that she's the worst dancer of the group. Mat: Jen goes first and she says she's so excited and Dina asks if she has any dance experience and she says no, she's never had any formal training, but being Hispanic, she's just ready to dance and shake her booty. Jesse says that she's the worst dancer of the group and she has no dance background at all. And then Dina says, Well, don't you guys dance? She goes, Well, yeah, I guess on TikTok. Jesse, out of everyone that they show Michelle Harris: And she has no dance background at all. And then Dina says, Well, don't you guys dance? She goes, Well, yeah, I guess on TikTok and I can move a little bit, but not really. Jesse out of everyone that they show seemed the least interested in this. She's probably this is not for me. I'm doing this interview as like you wanna interview all of us, but like please pick someone else. Mat: seemed the least interested in this. Okay. She's probably this is not for Yeah, yeah. Doing this interview as like you want to interview all of us, but like please make sure Yeah, I just I'm just here 'cause I was told I had to be here. Whitney says that she does have a dance rap back Michelle Harris: Whitney says that she does have a dance bra background, so she was a competitive contemporary dancer on a team and her favorite genre was hip hop. She also ⁓ had a focus in dance at BYU, and she's ready to shake her booty. Mat: So she was a competitive contemporary dancer on a team and her favorite genre was hip hop. She also ⁓ had a focus in dance at BYU, and she's ready to shake her booty. Okay. Michelle Harris: Jen says that if she doesn't get it, so Jen in an interview says, If I don't get it, I hope it goes to someone who's here for the right reasons and h who isn't here for fame and fortune and she's kinda like making a face indicating Whitney. Right. Mat: Jen says that if she doesn't get it, so Jen in an interview says, If I don't get it, I hope it goes to someone who's here for the right reasons and h who isn't here for fame and fortune. She's kinda like making a face, indicating whether Michelle Harris: Jen or Taylor was also interviewed, but they don't show a lot of her interview. I think at that point Taylor already knew that she was being chosen for The Bachelorette. So it came out recently because Whitney made a TikTok about Taylor, so then Taylor came back with receipts of the only reason Whitney got dancing with the stars is because she turned it down. Mat: Jen or Taylor was also interviewed, but they don't show a lot of her interview. I think at that point Taylor already knew that she was being chosen for the Bachelorette. ⁓ okay. So it came out recently because Whitney made a TikTok about Taylor, so then Taylor came back with receipts of the only reason Whitney got Dancing with the Stars is because she turned it down. So it was like receipts where it said, What's your interest in Dancing with the Stars one out of ten Michelle Harris: So it was like receipts where it said, What's your interest in dancing with the stars one out ten and then it was something else. So she like showed clips of like text messages she got. So but in this interview, Taylor's like, Yeah, I'm not a dancer, I played sports. And so Dina's like, What sports? She goes, basketball and soccer. Mat: And then it was something else. So she like showed clips of like text messages that she got. So but in this interview, Taylor's like, Yeah, I'm not a dancer, I played sports. Okay. What sports she was, basketball and soccer. And so like it just seemed to me like she already kinda knew what was happening. Yeah, yeah. Taylor does do a lot of like the brand deals and like all that stuff for a lot of the girls. Like as a whole, when they're doing like a whole group, it seems like she has more information than everybody. Okay. Michelle Harris: And so like it just seemed to me like she already kind of knew what was happening. Because Taylor does do a lot of like the brand deals and like all that stuff for a lot of the girls. Like as a whole, when they're doing like a whole group, it seems like she has more information than everyone else. Whitney's interview ends with Dina telling her that would be best for filming if she moved out there and says, What's your availability in September when we start? Mat: Whitney's interview ends with you know telling her that would be best for filming if she moved out there and says, What's your availability in September when we start? Okay. So Whitney is really excited in her interview on the couch and she's like, I think eleven out of ten it went great. So and they were like joking around and like Whitney's like, I'll you later and all about So I think Whitney's personality really like Michelle Harris: So Whitney is really excited in her interview on the couch and she's like, I think eleven out of ten it went great. So and they were like joking around and like Whitney's like, I'll see you later and Dina was like all about so I think Whitney's personality really like impressed Dina. So yeah, they were like, Yeah, we're I I think after seeing that, had I not known Mat: impressed Dina. Right. Yeah, they were like, yeah, we're I I think after seeing that had I not known I mean season three did air when Dance with the Stars was already on and the cast was already now, so everyone watching season three would have known that Jen and Whitney were on it. Right. But not knowing that you would think Yeah, like if I had seen that and not watched it or no and I'd like, yeah Whitney's gonna get it. Gotcha, yeah. We go to the Hulu get real and Michelle Harris: I mean, season three did air when Dancing of the Stars was already on and the cast was already now, so everyone watching season three would have known that Jen and Whitney were on it. Right. But not knowing that you would think Yeah, like if I had seen that and not watched it or known, I'd have like, Yeah, Whitney's gonna get it. We go to the Hulu Get Real event. They're in the hotel first on their way to the event, and Jesse is nervous to cede to me there. Mat: They're in the hotel first on their way to the event and Jessie is nervous to see Denise there. The cast of Vanderpump Villa joins them downstairs and Michelle Harris: The cast of Vanderpump Villa joins them downstairs. So the cast of Vanderpump Villa joins them downstairs and they start talking about the Marciano stuff and how Demi is hiding from them in glam makeup upstairs. ⁓ Hannah, who is Marciano's ex, they dated for about three years before all of this. Like she is one of the OG exes with Marciano from she's from the show. She's from Vanderpump Villa, but I th I think they were also on Mat: So the cast Vanderpump Villa joins them downstairs and they start talking about the Marciano stuff and how Demi is hiding from them in glam makeup upstairs. ⁓ Hannah, who is Marciano's ex, they dated for about three years before all of this. Okay. She's one of the OG exes with Marciano from she's from the show. She's from Vanderpump Villa, but I th I think they were also on Vanderpunk. Michelle Harris: Vanderpump Rules, if I'm not mistaken, and then they went to Villa and they stated for three years. I I don't know the whole timeline, but they've come from multiple shows, I think. Mat: mistaken and then they went to villa and they dated for three years. I don't know the whole timeline, but they've come from multiple right okay. ⁓ Michelle Harris: So Hannah says that she doesn't have Marciona's back on a lot, but she d will have his back on not being a sexual predator. She goes, that's just not his nature. He is an asshole, but he's not that. They all agree that Demi was super, super flirty at the villa with Marciona. So keep in mind all these people talking to them were there at the villa with the girls. Mat: So Hannah says that she doesn't have Marciano's back on a lot, but she d will have his back on not being a sexual predator. Okay. She goes, That's just not his nature. He is an asshole, but he's not that. Okay. They all agree that Demi was super, super flirty at the villa with Marciano. So keep in mind all these people talking to them were there. Right, right. The girl. Yeah. So they all agree that she was super flirty at the villa with Marciano and Michelle Harris: So they all agree that she was super flirty at the villa with Marciano, and one of the girls was like, Yeah, she was like touching him all night and grabbing his hand and pulling him closer, especially during Truth or Dare. And Jesse tells them that they supposedly kissed off camera and that all shocked them. ⁓ Hannah does bring up that I guess Mar after they left, Marciano told her, like, I think she's a one, like I'm falling in love with her. So, like, yeah, so like he fell like head of Mat: His hand and pulling him closer, especially during Truth or Dare, and Jesse tells them that they supposedly kissed off camera and that all shocked them. Okay. ⁓ Hannah does bring up that I guess Mar after they left, Marciona told her, like, I think she's the one, like I'm falling in love with her. So Demi. Yeah. Okay. Michelle Harris: Over heels and Hannah's like, Okay, and I guess Marciona's telling Hannah, like, yeah, she said she's gonna leave her husband for me and all this stuff. So I don't know. They all go out, so it's like this parade of like Mat: ⁓ okay. They all go out so it's like this parade of like reality TV stars going out and there's just like van after van after van after van after van, like picking up everyone. So all the girls get into one van except Whitney and Denise walk by and they get in their own car. So they're not with the girls in the van going to the Hulu get rid of Okay. Michelle Harris: reality TV stars going out and there's just like van after van after van after van after van like picking up everyone. So all the girls get into one van except Whitney and Demi walk by and they get in their own car. So they're not with the girls in the van going to the Hulu get real but Macy tells all the girls about her glam session and how Demi brought up Michaela and Macy's sexual assault. And Michaela in an interview says she doesn't want to call Demi a liar because if it actually did happen, that's not okay whatsoever. She does say it is wrong for Demi to compare her situation in order to put validity into her story. Mat: Macy tells all the girls about her glam session and how Demi brought up Michaela and Macy's sexual assault. And Michaela in an interview says she doesn't want to call Demi a liar because if it actually did happen, that's not okay whatsoever. She does say it is wrong for Demi to compare her situation in order to put validity into her story. Right. So Michaela's face just looks very like upset and like just like kinda like checks out at that point. She's like, What the fu like, don't bring my name into this, like Yeah. You know, and all the girls are like, Yeah, like sh that's what she does, like that's and so they're all like, ⁓ my god, I can't believe she did that Michelle Harris: So Michaela's face just looks very like upset and like just like kinda like checks out at that point. She's like, What the fu like, don't bring my name into this, like you know, and all the girls are like, Yeah, like sh that's what she does. Like that's and so they're all like, ⁓ my god, I can't believe she did that We're at this event and they show all the girls and like all the ⁓ reality T V stars there and Chloe Kardashian is there and all the girls freak out. So the Kardashians have their ⁓ keeping up with the Kardashians is on Hulu. So they always say usually Chloe goes to most of them, but they like sometimes a couple others will show up, like Chris, her mom. But this time they only showed Chloe and Scott. So the girls Mat: event and they show all the girls and like all the ⁓ reality T V stores there and Chloe Kardashian is there and all the girls freak out so Kardashians have their ⁓ keeping up Okay. They always say usually Chloe goes to most of them, but they like sometimes a couple others will show up, like Chris, her mom. But this time they only showed Chloe and Scott. So the girls go over to introduce themselves and it turns out that Chloe has watched the show. Okay. She knows all the she knows all the girls. ⁓ and she said that Scott watched it last night, ⁓ and Michelle Harris: go over to introduce themselves and it turns out that Chloe has watched the show. So she knows all the she knows all the girls. ⁓ and she said that Scott watched it last night ⁓ and they asked like, ⁓ did you think it's good and he's Yeah it's it's good. ⁓ so they're like just like ooing and awing over that. After they stop talking though they turn around and see that Demi is talking with Hannah Marciona's ex. Mat: ⁓ you think it's good? He's like, Yeah, it's it's good. ⁓ so they're like just like ooing and off ⁓ after they stop talking, you know, they turn around and see that Demi is talking with Hannah, Marciona's ex. Okay. So Jesse feels like they're talking about her based off of the gestures and like Demi talking very like Michelle Harris: So Jessie feels like they're talking about her based off of the gestures and like ⁓ Demi talking very like expressively and she's like all over the place. However, Demi wasn't really talking about Jessie. She was explaining her stance of what happened with Marciano and the kiss. and she's going off about how, you know, I I didn't Mat: expressively and all over the place. However, Demi wasn't really talking about Jessie. She was explaining her stance of what happened with Marciano and the kiss. ⁓ and she's going off about how, you know, I I didn't want that to happen and, you know, we didn't kiss and all this stuff. And even though he was telling me like that he was in love with me, I was never reciprocating anything. Yeah. Michelle Harris: want that to happen and you know, we didn't kiss and all this stuff and even though he was telling me like that he was in love with me, I was never reciprocating anything. Mat: And so he she was like, It was never like reciprocated on my end and every text and phone call Brett knew about, like, that wasn't me and so Hannah was like, regardless of everything, like let's take all that out, can we retract the sexual predator narrative from Marciano 'cause that's not right. And Demi goes, ⁓ hell no Okay. So she's like, I'm not gonna do that. He Michelle Harris: And so he she was like, it was never like reciprocated on my end and every text and phone call Brett knew about, like, that wasn't me. And so Hannah was like, regardless of everything, like let's take all that out. Can we retract the sexual predator narrative from Marciano? 'Cause that's not right. And to me goes, ⁓ hell no Okay. So she's like, I'm not gonna do that. He it wasn't welcome, like he did what he did and I'm not backing down from that. So Hannah was like kind of at an impasse with that. She's like, Well, whatever. At that point, Jesse comes up to say bye to Hannah and she tells to me that they should talk tomorrow. ⁓ okay. So at this point, kind of all the girls are in the same boat where there's so much being said and so much drama that Mat: Okay. Like about an impasse. Yeah. Well, whatever. At that point Jesse comes up to say bye to Hannah and she tells to me that they should talk tomorrow. ⁓ okay. So at this point, kind of while the girls are in the same boat where there's so much being said and so much drama that's Yeah, try and set it straight. To me, it's back to filming, like her and Jesse need to sit together and talk this out and like whatever it is it is. Yeah. But like Michelle Harris: If Demi is back to filming, like her and Jesse need to sit together and talk this out and like whatever it is it is. Yeah. But like they just can't be in the middle of this anymore. Mat: They just can't be in the middle of the house. Okay. Whitney and Demi ⁓ at this event, so all the girls like are off. Michelle Harris: Whitney and Demi, ⁓ at this event, so all the girls like are off in one corner and they're not talking to them and then when they come over to say bye to the V Vanderpump villa, like they're not even like kinda like looking their way or saying anything and Whitney's just like this is embarrassing for like our group at this event to be doing this and like it's just awkward and like I'm uncomfortable. Yeah, yeah. Mat: like they're not even like kind of like looking their way or saying anything and Whitney's just like this is embarrassing for like our group at this event right it's just awkward and like I'm uncomfortable. Yeah, yeah. And so she's like I you know how cold they're treating me and like this is just not this isn't it. Yeah. Michelle Harris: And so she's like, I you know, how cold they're treating me and like this is just not this isn't it. The girls go back to the hotel to have some drinks at the lobby bar after the event and Macy asks how the girls feel about the day. Layla said it was better than she thought it would be, and Whitney and Demia did say hi to her, but at this point it just feels disingenuous since those friendships are gone. Mat: The girls go back to the hotel to have some drinks at the lobby bar after the event, and Macy asks how the girls feel about the day. Layla said it was better than she thought it would be, and Whitney and Demia did say hi to her, but at this point it just feels disingenuous since those friendships are gone. Right. And the way she's saying it, I'm like, you don't have to be friends with someone. But I think what Whitney's trying to make a point of is we're co-workers. So I'm not gonna ignore you. Right. Michelle Harris: And the way she's saying it, I'm like, you don't have to be friends with someone. But I think what Whitney's trying to make a point of is we're coworkers. So I'm not gonna ignore you. Right. Like I'm not gonna be petty. I will say hi. Yeah, you don't have to be You know, yeah. So it's like why is saying hi disingenuous? It's not like hi, like lovely, like love you, like you know, like I think Mat: Yeah, you don't have to be best buddies, but like you do have to do this together. Why is saying hi disingenuous? It's not like hi, like lovely, like love you, like you know, like I think Michelle Harris: Depending on the high, which I don't see Whitney doing that. I c I can see Demi doing that. She does that to everyone, ⁓ hi, gorgeous. But like just say hi back and move on with your day. The girls bring up that they are going to stagecoach for a week, so stagecoach I guess is kinda like a coachella festival in the desert. Okay. Mat: Like The girls bring up that they are going to stagecoach for a week, so stagecoach I guess is kinda like a Coachella festival in the desert. Okay. So they're going next week for the whole week and the the house that they're staying in, it's a brand that's bringing them out. ⁓ okay. So this brand is like come out, we'll pay for your stagecoach. Are they all going? Michelle Harris: So they're going next week for the whole week and the the house that they're staying in, it's a brand that's bringing them out. So this brand is like, come out, we'll pay for your stagecoach, we'll pay your for your house. So this is when Taylor tells the girls that the brand that they are posting for wants stuff from Whitney, so they're expecting Whitney to be at the house. Mat: So this is when Taylor tells the girls that the brands that they are posting for wants stuff from Whitney, so they're expecting Whitney to be at the house. Okay. So Taylor says in an interview, listen, when we sign a deal with brands and they're expecting something, like you we have to hold up our Yeah, absolutely. It's not really on us to be like, ⁓ well we're fighting right now, we can't give you what you paid us for. Michelle Harris: So Taylor says in an interview, listen, when we sign a deal with brands and they're expecting something, like you we have to hold up our end of the bargain. It's not really on us to be like, ⁓ well we're fighting right now, we can't give you what you paid us for. Like we gotta do what we gotta do. And so all the girls are like freaking out. Jen again's like, I'm too pregnant for this. Layla's like, you know what? I'll it is what it is. Miranda's like, I don't have a problem with it. Like, I'm still cordial with Whitney. It's fine. And really Ma Macy and Michael are the ones like not talking. And Jesse's like, I don't know how I'm gonna deal with this. So Taylor tells the girls, like, hey, I'm gonna talk to Whitney ahead of this trip. And Taylor in an interview brings up again that Mat: And so all the girls are like It for this. Layla's like, you know what, I'll it is what it is. Miranda's like, I don't have a problem with it. I'm so crucial with Whitney, it's fine. Right. And really Mace and Michaela are the ones like not talking, and Jesse's like, I don't know how I'm gonna deal with this. So Taylor tells the girls, like, hey, I'm gonna talk to Whitney ahead of this trip, and Taylor in an interview brings up again that Michelle Harris: what happened at Miranda's house wasn't really fair to Whitney and it was really just them all gaining up on her and she really thinks that this whole like I'm here for business is Whitney's tough exterior but underneath she really does have a soft side and she really does care about the friendships. So she's like, I'm gonna talk to her and you know, I want her to feel like she has a safe space to open up too. So let's see how this how this goes. Mat: What happened at Miranda's house wasn't really fair to Whitney and it was really just them all gaining up on her. Yeah. She really thinks that this whole like I'm here for business is Whitney's tough exterior, but underneath she really does have a soft side and care about the free, right. So she's like, I'm gonna talk to her and Safe space to open up too. So let's see how this how this goes. Yeah. It's day two of press and Whitney's getting her hair done and Taylor walks in the room and Whitney goes, What's up, bitch? Taylor goes that's what you say behind my back too and Whitney goes, No. So and I've seen clips of them too, like behind the stages, like at ⁓ talk shows Michelle Harris: It's day two of press and Whitney's getting her hair done and Taylor walks in the room and Whitney goes, What's up, bitch? And she goes and Taylor goes, I bet that's what you say behind my back too, and Whitney goes, No. So and I've seen clips of them too, like behind stages, like at ⁓ talk shows when they're getting interviewed together and all this stuff. And like they definitely have a playful f like banter back and forth. And it's not this like, I hate Whitney, I hate Taylor. It's just Mat: Together and all this stuff. Yeah. They could definitely have a playful like banter back and forth. Yeah. It's not this like I hate Whitney, I hate Taylor. Yeah. You can still I think it goes back to you can still be coworkers, you can still have an okay relationship, you don't want to be best friends. Yeah. Yeah. And so they s show that time and time and sometimes I feel like they play it up for the drama of the TV show. Okay, yeah. But I really don't think that they have all that much. Michelle Harris: You can still I think it goes back to you can still be coworkers, you can still have an okay relationship, you don't have to be best friends. Yeah. And so they s show that time and time and sometimes I feel like they play it up for the drama of the T V show that they're fighting. But I really don't think that they have they care all that much about it. Yeah. So Taylor asked Whitney if she's going to stagecoach and Whitney says she wasn't planning on it and Demi definitely for sure isn't going. Mat: Yeah. So Taylor asked Whitney if she's going to stagecoach and Whitney says she wasn't planning on it and Damine definitely for sure isn't going. Okay. Whitney says it was really awkward at the last meeting, so if she went it would be weird and she doesn't want to deal with that. Taylor says, I do feel bad about the meeting and she didn't mean for everyone to attack her. Taylor brings up that the girls just wanted to hear her intentions of why she's coming back. And Whitney goes, I thought I made it pretty clear that I was just coming back for dancing with Michelle Harris: Whitney says it was really awkward at the last meeting, so if she went, it would be weird and she doesn't want to deal with that. Taylor says, I do feel bad about the meeting, and she didn't mean for everyone to attack her. Taylor brings up that the girl just wanted to hear her intentions of why she's coming back. And Whitney goes, I thought I made it pretty clear that I was just coming back for dancing with the stars. She's like, I thought I thought I made it pretty clear. Mat: Yeah, yeah. Taylor thinks ⁓ Whitney truly does care about Michelle Harris: Taylor thinks ⁓ Whitney truly does care about their friendships. ⁓ so she's gonna let that comment go for now. And she doesn't think that she's just here for business. But Taylor does say, you know, I want you to be able to talk to us, I want you to be able to like, you know, be in the same room and be coworkers. She does bring that up, like, you know, let's just all be cordial and like let's just make this work. And Whitney Whitney agrees. She goes, That's fine by me. Mat: She doesn't think that she's just here for business. But Taylor does say, you know, I want you to be able to talk to us. I want you to be able to, like, you know, be in the same room and be coworkers. She does bring that up. Like, you know, let's just all be cordial and like let's just make this work. Yeah. Whitney agrees. She goes, That's fine by me. Okay. The girls go to dinner and Jesse is missing, and it turns out that her and Demi have been having a conversation, so they thought Jesse would have met them there by now. Okay. Conversation must be going. Michelle Harris: The girls go to dinner and Jessie is missing, and it turns out that her and Demi have been having a conversation, so they thought Jesse would have met them there by now, but the conversation must be going long. So it cuts to Jesse and Demi meeting at a hotel bar, and Jessie wants Demi to stop spreading this rumor about her, and she's hoping that since they were so close, ⁓ that they can sit down and talk this out. Mat: So it cuts to Jesse and Demi meeting at a hotel bar, and Jesse wants Demi to stop spreading this rumor about her, and she's hoping that since they were so close, ⁓ that they can sit down and talk this out. So Demi starts talking about the fact that the only reason not she said Jesse slept with Marciano is because he told her that. And Jesse says, Well, it never happened, and we did take a lie detector test, and it confirmed that I was telling the truth. Demi in an interview says that she's not believing it because. Michelle Harris: So Demi starts talking about the fact that the only reason that she said Jesse slept with Marciano is because he told her that. And Jesse says, Well, it never happened, and we did take a lie detector test, and it confirmed that I was telling the truth. Demi in an interview says that she's not believing it because of Jesse's body language. She just wishes that Jesse would admit to it all to make her feel better. To make her feel better. Like to like she's like, Jesse, it would it would make you feel better if you just told the truth. Mat: To make her feel better. Yeah. What more do you want Right. Her body Michelle Harris: What more do you want from the like her body language was like I'm nervous about this conversation. That's what I read her body language as. And to me it's like, ⁓ since she's nervous she must be lying. Yeah, even though they both have lie detector tests. Yeah. And it's like I get lie detector tests are a hundred percent. But Mat: Yeah. Right, okay. And to me, like, ⁓ since she's nervous, she must be lying. Yeah, even though they both took lie detector tests. Yeah, it's like I get lie detector tests are a hundred percent. But so you're what you're saying is that you're gonna continue with spreading a rumor that you just admitted that you were only spreading because Marciona told you. But Marciona now is saying that they didn't sleep together. Yeah. So why keep spreading that rumor? Yeah. Michelle Harris: So you're what you're saying is that you're gonna continue with spreading a rumor that you just admitted that you were only spreading because Marciano told you, but Marciano now is saying that they didn't sleep together. So why keep spreading that rumor? Yeah. Just stop spreading it. Mat: Just stop spreading it. Michelle Harris: So at this point, Jesse kind of confronts Demi about the assault and she asks, Why would you keep texting him suggestive things if if he assaulted you? Yeah. They start going round and round because Demi starts backpedaling all of it and Jesse actually says, I have receipts from Marciano screenshots of your text messages with him. So she goes, If he assaulted you, why would you send him a photo of your daughter? Mat: So at this point, Jesse kind of confronts Demi about the assault and she asks, Why would you keep texting him suggestive things if ⁓ yeah, okay. Yeah. They start going round and round 'cause Demi starts backpedaling all of it and Jesse actually says, I have receipts from Marciano screenshots of your text messages with him. Okay. So she goes, If he assaulted you, why would you send him a photo of your daughter? Michelle Harris: And she goes, I never sent a photo of my daughter. I'm like, ⁓ she's like, I have a screenshot of it where you send a photo of her sleeping. And she goes, No, she like FaceTimed him and then he accidentally picked up and she was there, but I hung up. She goes, I here's a screenshot. And then she goes, Well, like I you know and so she starts going around she goes, you know, there's not a right way to handle assault and it's victim shaming that you're gonna tell me like what I'm doing like was wrong. Like I didn't know how to handle it and at that point it was keep my enemies closer. Mat: And she goes, I never sent a photo of your daughter. My God She's like, I have a screenshot of it where you send a photo of her sleeping. Okay. No, she like FaceTimed him and then he accidentally picked up and she was there but I hung up. She goes, I here's a screenshot And she goes, Well, like I you know and so she starts going around she goes, You know, there's not a right way to handle assault and y it's a victim shaming that you're gonna tell me like what I'm doing like was wrong. Like I didn't know how to handle it and at that point it was keep my enemies closer Michelle Harris: Like, you know, keep your friends close but keep your enemies closer. Yeah, okay. And so Jessie is like I at this point I can't I can't fight her because I'm not trying to say I'm not trying to victim shame her. And I she's like I just feel stuck in a corner right now. Mat: Like, you know, keep your friends close but keep your enemies closer. Yeah, okay. And so Jesse is like a at this point I can't I can't fight her because I'm not trying to say I'm not trying to victim shame her. And I she's like, I just feel stuck in a corner right now. Yeah, absolutely. Demi then says she told Jesse what happened to her and then Michelle Harris: Demi then says she told Jesse what happened to her, and then it Demi was making it seem like she told Jesse that Marciano assaulted her before Jesse had an affair with him. Okay. So Demi says, I told you what happened between me and Marciano, and then you went out and you had a physical and emotional affair with him. Jesse in an interview says she is just now hearing about Mat: It to me was making it seem like she told Jesse that Marciano assaulted her before Jesse had an affair with him. Okay. So Demi says, I told you what happened between me and Marciano and then you went out and you had a physical and emotional affair with him. Jesse in an interview says she is just now hearing about him being her alleged abuser. Okay. She goes to Demise, she's she's like, If he actually did touch you and you didn't want that, no, that's not right. But I didn't know that. Like my intentions weren't going out and be like, I'm gonna seek out an emotional affair with Demise abuser. Right, right. So that's kind of where they end things, and Jesse gets up and says, you know, we'll Michelle Harris: him being her alleged abuser. And she goes to Demi, s she's like, if he actually did touch you and you didn't want that, no, that's not right. But I didn't know that. Like my intentions weren't going out and be like, I'm gonna seek out an emotional affair with Demi's abuser. Right, right. So That's kind of where they end things and Jesse gets up and says, you know, we'll just have to agree to move on from this. I'm kind of over talking about it. I don't wanna talk about this anymore and I think we can just put this to bed and Demi agrees. Mat: To agree to move on from this, I'm kind of over talking about it. Yeah. And I think we can just put this to bed and me agrees. Okay. we know. That's it. That's the end of the episode. Yeah. So ⁓ next w next week is stagecoach or no? Yes. Okay. Next week is stagecoach. Michelle Harris: That's where it ends. That's it. That's it. Yeah. ⁓ next w next week is stagecoach no? Yes, next week is stagecoach and we see a lot. We see a lot. Taylor's all over Dakota. Jace is there and he's in the hot tub and Mikaela's like not feeling it and then also it's it's all the couples. Yeah, the guys go to Yeah. Alright. Mat: We see a lot. ⁓ so it's it's all the couples. It's not just all the girls. Okay. All right. And then Jay says Michelle Harris: And then Jace has like a mental breakdown about their issues in their marriage, which then Michaela opens up to the girls about it. Yeah, so we see and then Whitney shows up and they're all like, What is she doing here? When I thought it was just made clear. Every single time Whitney shows up, it's why is she here? Well, she was invited and told she had to come because of a brand deal, so I don't know why everyone's freaking out. It'd be more of a freak out if Demi showed up. I'd kinda like that. Mat: ⁓ geeze. Alright, well don't give away too much now. So You gotta tell me about it next week. And then Whitney shows up and now I'm like, what is she doing here? Here she was invited and told she had to come 'cause of a brand deal. Yeah. Awesome. Well, yeah, I guess we'll hear about it next week then. Michelle Harris: ⁓ yeah. Awesome. Well yeah, I guess we'll hear about it next week then. Yeah. Yeah, we'll hear about it next week. Great. Well thanks for listening everybody. Be sure to follow us on Instagram. Mat: Great. Well thanks for listening, everybody. Be sure to follow us on Instagram at reality hits mat. 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