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The Kenny Report | 20 August · The Kenny Report

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  Speaker 1: This is the Kenny Report.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks for joining me tonight. Are trillion dollars.
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  Speaker 3: We now owe a trillion dollars and all we've got
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  Speaker 3: to show for it is a woke government and a
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  Speaker 3: broken electricity grid. More calls for the Veterans Affairs Minister
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  Speaker 3: to be sacked as veterans face distressing medical bills. The
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  Speaker 3: alban Easy government again demonized as Israel calling in the
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  Speaker 3: ambassador over what even Australia has found to be a
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  Speaker 3: tragic mistake in war, the out of control ndis. We'll
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  Speaker 3: hear from an operator on how to fix it. All that,
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  Speaker 3: plus the Swan scandal with Claire Row and Mark Robinson
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  Speaker 3: and Mark Nicholson on Malcolm Turnbull teaming up with Chris Bowen.
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  Speaker 2: Let's get cracking.
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  Speaker 3: I just want to start off the program tonight by
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  Speaker 3: recapping the terrible news developments today about missing bushwalker Lily Hooper,
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  Speaker 3: who went missing nine days ago in the New South
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  Speaker 3: Wales Southern Highlands. Early today police told media and Lily's
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  Speaker 3: parents that she'd been found alive. This was brilliant news,
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  Speaker 3: a story of survival in the Australian bush.
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  Speaker 2: The Premier shared it with Parliament.
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  Speaker 3: I was thinking I'd kick off the show with that
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  Speaker 3: story with some good news. Lily's family were celebrating, but
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  Speaker 3: it turned out that information was wrong, and just eighteen
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  Speaker 3: minutes later police corrected their advice. A body had been
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  Speaker 3: found just minutes ago. The New South Wales Police Commissioner apologized.
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  Speaker 4: Sadly this morning there was a miscommunication when Lily's body
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  Speaker 4: was recovered. That miscommunication I inadvertently thought.
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  Speaker 2: Sorry.
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  Speaker 4: I unashamedly apologize for any additional trauma that may have
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  Speaker 4: caused Lily's family.
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  Speaker 3: Look, this is just a terrible situation. Of course, there'll
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  Speaker 3: be investigations and accountability within the police force about how
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  Speaker 3: this has happened. But when someone goes missing in the bush,
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  Speaker 3: in this case a young woman bush walking on our
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  Speaker 3: own in this country, we always worry about that person
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  Speaker 3: lost in the bush. And when it got to beyond
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  Speaker 3: a week here, even though the weather has been relatively benign,
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  Speaker 3: people feared the worst. And then this morning, that great hope,
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  Speaker 3: that great news, that great survival story. Tragically, it's not true. Tragically,
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  Speaker 3: there was this horrible miscommunication, accidental miscommunication, and now we're
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  Speaker 3: left with the tragic story of a young young woman,
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  Speaker 3: Lily Hooper, who has lost her life in the Australian Bush.
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  Speaker 3: Unemployment ticked up today, which is a worry, But the
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  Speaker 3: big economic news was debt. We passed an historic marker
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  Speaker 3: and not a good one. Our gross national debt It
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  Speaker 3: topped a trillion dollars today. We've been warning about this
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  Speaker 3: for a while, but the mark has been pasted this morning.
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  Speaker 2: Are trillion dollars of government debt.
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  Speaker 3: Now it's a difficult number to contemplate, isn't it. We
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  Speaker 3: know a million is a lot. A thousand million or
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  Speaker 3: a billion is pretty hard to comprehend, let alone a
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  Speaker 3: thousand billion, a trillion dollars, But that's what we now owe.
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  Speaker 3: Let's help you try to visualize this. If we stacked
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  Speaker 3: one hundred dollar bills one on top of the other
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  Speaker 3: until we had a trillion dollars, you know how high
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  Speaker 3: it would be a kilometer ten kilometers n it would
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  Speaker 3: be one thousand and ninety one kilometers high, more than
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  Speaker 3: a thousand kilometers of one hundred dollar notes into the air,
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  Speaker 3: well beyond the air.
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  Speaker 2: In fact, that's deep into outer space, more than twice
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  Speaker 2: as far away from Earth as the International Space Station's orbit.
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  Speaker 3: So it's a large pile of money. Or another way
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  Speaker 3: to think about this is time. If you repaid your
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  Speaker 3: debt at a dollar every second, how long do you
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  Speaker 3: reckon it would take you to repay a million dollars,
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  Speaker 3: It'd take less than twelve days. In an eleven eleven
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  Speaker 3: and a half days, you'd repay you a million dollars.
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  Speaker 3: So if you started this morning paying a million dollars
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  Speaker 3: a second, then late on Tuesday fortnight, September the first,
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  Speaker 3: you'd chalk up a million seconds a million dollars.
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  Speaker 2: So what about a billion? Hey, well a.
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  Speaker 3: Thousand million seconds would take thirty two years.
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  Speaker 2: So if we.
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  Speaker 3: Started repaying a dollar a second the moment a child
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  Speaker 3: was born, he or she would be thirty two years
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  Speaker 3: old by the time a billion dollars was paid back.
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  Speaker 3: But a trillion we owe a trillion dollars now, well,
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  Speaker 3: a trillion would take thirty one thousand, seven hundred nine years,
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  Speaker 3: nearly fifty two thousand years. So if we started paying
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  Speaker 3: off our trillion dollar debt at a dollar a second,
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  Speaker 3: it would take till the year thirty three thousand, seven
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  Speaker 3: hundred and thirty five AD to pay off that debt.
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  Speaker 2: That's what we are at trillion dollars.
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  Speaker 3: But don't worry, Jim Charmers says, it's not as bad
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  Speaker 3: as it was gonna be.
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  Speaker 5: In fact, gross debt is two hundred billion dollars lower
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  Speaker 5: this year than the trajectory that we inherited from those opposite,
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  Speaker 5: and that means instead of paying thirty five billion dollars
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  Speaker 5: this year interesting past, mister Speaker, will be paying twenty
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  Speaker 5: eight billion dollars.
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  Speaker 3: That is just terrific, Jim, that is so fantastic from
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  Speaker 3: our smug treasurer. He's wrapped that we're paying only twenty
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  Speaker 3: eight thousand million dollars a year on interest. We are
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  Speaker 3: being led by fools people, fools who have sunk us
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  Speaker 3: into are of debt while they spent hundreds of billions
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  Speaker 3: of dollars destroying our energy grid, pretending to save the planet,
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  Speaker 3: for just undermining our economy and therefore our ability to
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  Speaker 3: repay our record debt in the future.
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  Speaker 2: God help us.
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  Speaker 3: As we've examined this week, veterans have been campaigning against
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  Speaker 3: a new five thousand dollars cap placed on their allied healthcare,
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  Speaker 3: a labor budget cut. Labour's Veterans affair Minister Matt Keoh
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  Speaker 3: is still under fire for his heartlessness, arrogance and incompetence
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  Speaker 3: really in initially refusing even to meet the veterans. But
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  Speaker 3: if you want to hear the human impact of these decisions,
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  Speaker 3: you only had to listen to a veteran Tim who
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  Speaker 3: called into Mark Levy this morning on Radio two GB.
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  Speaker 3: Tim was on his way to get an angiogram who
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  Speaker 3: was going to cost him thousands of dollars after he'd
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  Speaker 3: been advised late yesterday by the Department of Veterans Affairs
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  Speaker 3: that they could no longer cover the costs.
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  Speaker 6: Half forward after the ear the day before. I rang them back.
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  Speaker 6: I was on hold and then they put the phone
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  Speaker 6: down at half part. You just get to you with them.
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  Speaker 6: I know that I've got Parkinstan's, I've got a related
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  Speaker 6: depression anxions, and they don't care twenty eight years ago,
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  Speaker 6: and my father and my grandfather and my son's joining
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  Speaker 6: up now to tell him not to.
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  Speaker 3: Such an emotional call. And in fairness, Tim went on
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  Speaker 3: to explain this was not the end of the matter.
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  Speaker 3: He could apply for more help.
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  Speaker 7: So they said, I've got to go put another claim
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  Speaker 7: in again because it's related to anxiety and Parkinson's and depression.
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  Speaker 7: I've got to get put another claim in which we
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  Speaker 7: now takes about any months.
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  Speaker 6: By that time, I could be dead now.
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  Speaker 3: The radio host Mark Levy promised to lobby the Veterans
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  Speaker 3: Minister for more help, but Tim had only angry words
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  Speaker 3: for the government.
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  Speaker 6: It's back the minister for one, you know, I mean,
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  Speaker 6: how do you expect young men to go fight My father,
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  Speaker 6: my grandfather and myself. But did Afghanistan Iraq? You know?
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  Speaker 8: Now?
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  Speaker 6: And now I've got my son to join. And this
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  Speaker 6: is the way they treat people who go fight for
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  Speaker 6: our country. You know, he just doesn't care we're we're
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  Speaker 6: just minnows in his little wage. Looks down on it.
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  Speaker 6: And that's obviously the way the problem minister looks at
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  Speaker 6: all veterans. It's disgusting. It's changed, BBA has changed too
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  Speaker 6: much since Letter of Government came in. Things get canceled
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  Speaker 6: all the time. It's down to the government. They're not
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  Speaker 6: putting the money in and they put money to all
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  Speaker 6: these other woke things, but they don't care about the
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  Speaker 6: people who serve this country, fight and.
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  Speaker 9: Die for it.
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  Speaker 3: There's a lot of anger in the veterans community and
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  Speaker 3: that was taken to the floor of Parliament by a
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  Speaker 3: shadow defense person, an old minister and veteran himself, Phil Thompson.
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  Speaker 2: My question is to the Prime Minister.
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  Speaker 10: A veteran who served multiple combat tools in Afghanistan said,
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  Speaker 10: and I quote dealing with Minister Ko, I think I
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  Speaker 10: prefer to deal with the Taliban.
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  Speaker 1: That was much more simple.
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  Speaker 2: I signed on the flight.
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  Speaker 10: Enemies of Australia, not fight our own MPs that are
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  Speaker 10: supposed to be here representing us. Prime Minister, how much
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  Speaker 10: more evidence is needed before you sack this incompetent minister.
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  Speaker 11: I'm always honored to meet with veterans and to speak
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  Speaker 11: with them and to listen to them. I think that
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  Speaker 11: was unfortunate quote used by I think that.
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  Speaker 2: I have a problem with the Taliban.
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  Speaker 3: For now, the Prime Minister is standing by his budget
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  Speaker 3: cuts and his minister, the Abenezi labor government, continues to
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  Speaker 3: demonize Israel in ways that will please the Islamist extremists
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  Speaker 3: of Hummas and anger Israel, even after all we've seen
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  Speaker 3: about the atrocities and lies of Hummas, even after all
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  Speaker 3: the anti Semitism, anti Zionism and Islamist extremism we've seen
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  Speaker 3: in Australia, and even after the terror horror of Bondai.
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  Speaker 3: Foreign Minister Pennywong has slammed Israel and dragged in its
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  Speaker 3: ambassador today, and she's done so because Israel announced it's
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  Speaker 3: not going to launch criminal prosecutions.
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  Speaker 2: Against its own soldiers.
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  Speaker 3: The issue relates to the tragic death of Australian aid
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  Speaker 3: workers Zombie Frankum, along with six other aid workers in
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  Speaker 3: twenty twenty four in Gaza, when a World Central Kitchen
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  Speaker 3: aid convoy was accidentally targeted by Israeli defense forces. This
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  Speaker 3: was a terrible, unintended death in the fog of war,
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  Speaker 3: a war in which Hummas terrorists have commandeered AID vehicles
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  Speaker 3: and used AID vehicles, ambulances and other ruses as.
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  Speaker 2: Cover for their terrorist acts.
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  Speaker 3: But Wong and the Albaneze government continued to attack Israel
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  Speaker 3: rather than Humas, even though apart from its own inquiries,
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  Speaker 3: Israel allowed Australia to send over its own investigator. Air
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  Speaker 3: Chief Marshal Mark Binskin concluded that based on the information
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  Speaker 3: available to me, it is my assessment that the IDF
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  Speaker 3: strike on the World Central Kitchen aid workers was not
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  Speaker 3: knowingly or deliberately directed against them. Benskin went on to
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  Speaker 3: say armed guards around the AID convoy could have been
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  Speaker 3: mistaken for Hummas terrorists, and that IDF processes failed. Yet,
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  Speaker 3: now more than two years after the event, Wong is
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  Speaker 3: raging against Israel for not prosecuting Israeli soldiers.
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  Speaker 12: Australia is outraged by the Israeli government's decision to not
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  Speaker 12: pursue any criminal proceedings against those responsible for killing Zomi
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  Speaker 12: Frankcom and her World Central Kitchen colleagues. And we do
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  Speaker 12: not have confidence in the IDF's Military Advocate General's process
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  Speaker 12: given the many unanswered questions.
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  Speaker 3: Look, this is a tragic loss of life, of course,
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  Speaker 3: but blaming Israel for all that unfolds in Gaza rather
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  Speaker 3: than the Hummus terrorists who deliberately triggered the war, deliberately
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  Speaker 3: extended the war, and deliberately imperiled civilians and AID workers,
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  Speaker 3: well that's obscene in my view. It's precisely the response
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  Speaker 3: Hummus wants. It's precisely why hum Us endangers civilians. After
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  Speaker 3: he was brought to Parliament House under the glare of
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  Speaker 3: the cameras, the Israeli ambassador responded, we agree with you.
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  Speaker 9: We're sorry for the circumstances that brought about this death.
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  Speaker 9: Any innocent life is a tragedy. One must also understand
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  Speaker 9: that not every case where someone dies as casualty, it
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  Speaker 9: means that this criminal liability.
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  Speaker 3: Now consider the double standards that our government is showing here.
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  Speaker 3: One Australian was killed on October the seventh, Galit Carbony,
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  Speaker 3: among the more than twelve hundred people killed in the
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  Speaker 3: Hummas atrocities. Hummas killed the Australian grandmother, Galit Carbone and
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  Speaker 3: all those others and who harbors Hummus Qatar and Turkey?
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  Speaker 3: Do has Wong called in the ambassadors from Qatar and
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  Speaker 3: Turkey over the deliberate murder of an Australian. No, in fact,
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  Speaker 3: neither Wog nor Anthony Alberzi has even visited the sites
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  Speaker 3: of the October the seventh atrocities to mark those losses instead. Instead,
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  Speaker 3: of course, they have one praise from Humas for demonizing
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  Speaker 3: Israel and recognizing the non existent state of Palestine currently
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  Speaker 3: run by the terrorists in Gaza and the funders and
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  Speaker 3: enablers of terrorists.
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  Speaker 2: In the West Bank.
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  Speaker 3: And we wonder why anti Zionist hatred and Islamist extremism
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  Speaker 3: are a deadly serious problem here in our country, almost
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  Speaker 3: three years on from the October the seventh atrocities.
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  Speaker 2: What really worries me.
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  Speaker 3: Is that even after the Bondai horror, Albernesi and Wang
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  Speaker 3: have not changed their ways. They imperil all of us
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  Speaker 3: with their warped views on these issues. They are playing
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  Speaker 3: around with gun controls in this country while their actions
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  Speaker 3: only fuel anti Zionist hatred. Just on this battle against
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  Speaker 3: andy Semitism at home. I was honored last night to
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  Speaker 3: receive an award for my advocacy in this field. It's
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  Speaker 3: the inaugural award by Stand with Us, an organization that
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  Speaker 3: combats anti Semitism around the world, named in honor of
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  Speaker 3: Sidney Jewish leader and philanthropist Stanley Roth.
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  Speaker 2: Who died late last year. His widow, Charmaine, presented me
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  Speaker 2: with the award.
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  Speaker 3: Now, of course I was very grateful for this recognition
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  Speaker 3: and thanks to Sherry Markson for mentioning it last night.
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  Speaker 3: But the reason I mention it now is because it.
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  Speaker 2: Relates to you. It relates to all of us.
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  Speaker 3: I was staggered to hear last night how this program
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  Speaker 3: and this station and my newspaper and my columns have
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  Speaker 3: helped Australians who are Jewish at an extremely difficult time.
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  Speaker 2: I was told that.
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  Speaker 3: Sometimes when they felt alone and isolated, they would switch
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  Speaker 3: on this station and feel some comfort that they do
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  Speaker 3: have friends, that others do understand what they are facing.
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  Speaker 3: It's a staggering reality, really, that so much of the
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  Speaker 3: media is so polluted by pro humas propaganda, the anti
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  Speaker 3: Zionist agenda, that people reporting truthfully or commenting from a
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  Speaker 3: position of common decency have stood out.
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  Speaker 2: It shames our nation that this is the case still.
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  Speaker 3: That makes me proud to work here where we can
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  Speaker 3: speak with freedom and conviction, and that certainly is not
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  Speaker 3: thanks to me. That happens because of the integrity of
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  Speaker 3: this network under the leadership of Paul Whittaker and Mark
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  Speaker 3: Calvert and everyone else who works here on air and
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  Speaker 3: behind the scenes. It's also because of everyone at The
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  Speaker 3: Australian under the leadership of Michelle Gunn and Jennifer Campbell.
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  Speaker 3: Long before Bondi, this station's Shari Marksen worked with Alex
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  Speaker 3: Rivchen to host the Antisemitism Summit that we broadcast live.
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  Speaker 3: This network also produced and aired the documentary Never Again,
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  Speaker 3: The Fight Against Antisemitism, fronted by Josh Friedenberg and at
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  Speaker 3: the Australian. We published a Different Country, a collection of
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  Speaker 3: Australian articles describing and warning about this anti Semitism, anti
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  Speaker 3: Zionism and Islamists extremist challenge. Where was the national broadcaster
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  Speaker 3: on these issues? Where was the government? All of this
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  Speaker 3: occurred under the leadership of Lachland and Sarah Murdoch, who
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  Speaker 3: have both been active on these issues. Lachland traveled to
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  Speaker 3: Southern Israel soon after October seventh. This is leadership, and
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  Speaker 3: this is the leadership that has allowed you to hear voices,
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  Speaker 3: facts and arguments about what is really happening in the
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  Speaker 3: Middle East and what the dangers are for us here
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  Speaker 3: at home. I mean, imagine, just for a moment, how
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  Speaker 3: alone and isolated the Australian Jewish community would have been,
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  Speaker 3: and how unabated the anti Zionist push would have been
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  Speaker 3: if News Corp Media did not provide this beacon of sanity,
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  Speaker 3: If only our governments had shown just some of that
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  Speaker 3: moral clarity, some of that commitment shown by the people
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  Speaker 3: and organizations that I've just mentioned. And I want to
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  Speaker 3: recognize that it's all up to you. It's all on you,
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  Speaker 3: our viewers, our readers, our subscribers who make all of
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  Speaker 3: this possible. You give us the authority of an audience,
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  Speaker 3: and you keep us honest, committed and accountable. So just
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  Speaker 3: by watching and supporting us, by reading, commenting on reports,
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  Speaker 3: recirculating them, you two are playing your role. You're letting
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  Speaker 3: Jewish Australians and Israelis know that they're not alone, and
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  Speaker 3: you're letting the government and the authorities know that they
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  Speaker 3: need to do more, much more to combat the dangerous
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  Speaker 3: hatred that is active in our world. Let's go live
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  Speaker 3: now to camera and catch up with Shadow Health Minister
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  Speaker 3: and Rust and thanks for joining us. This is a
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  Speaker 3: monumental day, a momentum day really for our nation to
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  Speaker 3: chalk up for the first time ever a trillion dollars
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  Speaker 3: in government debt. How much of a burden is that
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  Speaker 3: on the shoulders of Australians.
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  Speaker 13: Well, it's an enormous burden on the shoulders of Australian's cris.
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  Speaker 13: I mean, the reality is that it's not just a
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  Speaker 13: trillion dollars, which is totemic in itself, but it's what
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  Speaker 13: it means every single year on the budget. That's nearly
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  Speaker 13: twenty eight billion dollars worth of interest twenty eight billion
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  Speaker 13: dollars could buy us two hundred thousand nurses in our hospital.
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  Speaker 13: It could buy four hundred thousand high level home packages
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  Speaker 13: for all those people that this government has left behind
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  Speaker 13: waiting for care they've been assessed as needing. It'd be
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  Speaker 13: eighteen hundred dollars for every Australian taxpayer off their tax
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  Speaker 13: bill at the end of the year if we weren't
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  Speaker 13: forking it out to pay the interest on this debt.
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  Speaker 2: I mean it is.
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  Speaker 13: I think it is a very sad day for Australia.
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  Speaker 3: Anyone my age and a lot younger, I suppose, would
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  Speaker 3: remember when we became debt free during the Howard Costello government.
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  Speaker 3: To go from debt free to this is staggering. It's
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  Speaker 3: a hell of an incumbrance on it. There's no doubt
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  Speaker 3: that debt escalated markedly when the Coalition was last in power,
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  Speaker 3: through the COVID area an era and all that wild
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  Speaker 3: spending on the pandemic overreach. Labor says it would be
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  Speaker 3: worse now if the Coalition have stayed in power.
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  Speaker 2: What's your response to that.
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  Speaker 13: Look, seriously, this is a government that you know, every
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  Speaker 13: time anything that they do wrong gets called out you know,
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  Speaker 13: they plead that the dog ate their homework. I mean,
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  Speaker 13: it is quite incredible that they refuse ever to take
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  Speaker 13: any responsibility. They've been in government for more than four years.
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  Speaker 13: They have made decision after decision after decision that has
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  Speaker 13: had an impact on our economy. Those decisions have been inflationary,
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  Speaker 13: they've obviously had a massive impact on our budget. And
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  Speaker 13: yet somehow when they're called to account for the concert
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  Speaker 13: quinces of those decision making, I mean, all of the
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  Speaker 13: economic commentators around Australia are all saying this is a
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  Speaker 13: homegrown problem of the Albanesi government Jim Chalmers making. And
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  Speaker 13: yet this government just takes no responsibility and somehow manages
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  Speaker 13: to turn around to say, well, actually everybody should be
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  Speaker 13: really happy about a trillion dollars debt because those people
• 21:19
  Speaker 13: over there would have made it worse. I mean, it
• 21:21
  Speaker 13: is quite incredible their absolute failure to accept any responsibility
• 21:27
  Speaker 13: for their actions.
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: Just on another issue, the veteran's anger at the moment
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: is palpable in the face of these budget cuts.
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: We've had some emotional calls.
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: As I've highlighted earlier in the program, but Anthony Albanzi
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: seems determined to stand by the minister Matt.
• 21:43
  Speaker 14: Keo is quite incredible.
• 21:47
  Speaker 13: And you hear the story that Tim just or that
• 21:50
  Speaker 13: you played that Tim was telling on the radio this
• 21:52
  Speaker 13: morning about his experience. I mean, it's quite incredible that
• 21:56
  Speaker 13: Anthony Albanesi with and this incompetent minister. This is not
• 22:00
  Speaker 13: the first mistake he's made. I mean, this is a
• 22:02
  Speaker 13: series of mistakes where he has been called to account
• 22:06
  Speaker 13: over various things in his portfolio area. Every time he's
• 22:09
  Speaker 13: had to backflip, you know, whether it be over medals
• 22:13
  Speaker 13: or the like. I mean, he's had to continually black backflip.
• 22:17
  Speaker 13: We have evidence this week of the fact that he's
• 22:20
  Speaker 13: been completely disregarding and disrespectful to the veteran community. He's
• 22:25
  Speaker 13: made a decision, but mind you, the decision about cutting
• 22:28
  Speaker 13: the funding for Allied Health to veterans wasn't just Minister
• 22:32
  Speaker 13: Kio's decision.
• 22:33
  Speaker 14: That would have gone.
• 22:34
  Speaker 13: Through a budgetary process. It would have gone through cabinet.
• 22:36
  Speaker 13: So Anthony Alberanisi needs to take responsibility for the fact
• 22:40
  Speaker 13: that he is denying people who have served our country
• 22:43
  Speaker 13: and possibly the reason that they need this Allied health
• 22:47
  Speaker 13: support is because of injuries they sustain defending our nation
• 22:50
  Speaker 13: in combat. Anthony Albersi has a lot to answer for,
• 22:55
  Speaker 13: but you know the fact that he keeps this incompetent
• 22:57
  Speaker 13: minister I think reflects as much on the incompetent minister
• 22:59
  Speaker 13: as it as it does on Anthony.
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: Abbenezy and Rustin. Thanks so much for joining us. I
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: appreciate it.
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: So let's go to Adelaide now and catch up with
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: the Australia's longest serving foreign minister, Alexander Down Alexandra, I've
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: got to get your thoughts on the Israeli ambassador being
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: called in today. Of course, the accidental death of an
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: AID worker, an Australian AID worker, is something in Australian
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: government must follow up strongly, as they have done in
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: the past.
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: What's your view of the action taken today.
• 23:28
  Speaker 15: Well, they followed it up at the time and sent
• 23:33
  Speaker 15: an investigator over there to investigate the circumstances, and that investigation,
• 23:41
  Speaker 15: as well as what the Israelis have said in the
• 23:45
  Speaker 15: last day, concludes that this was a tragic accident. The
• 23:50
  Speaker 15: Israelis did not deliberately target this AID group. They mistook
• 23:56
  Speaker 15: the AID group and there are whole lots of issue
• 24:00
  Speaker 15: about whether the AID group was armed or had armed
• 24:05
  Speaker 15: support or protection, and whether they should have and whether
• 24:09
  Speaker 15: they stuck with the route that they originally designated to
• 24:13
  Speaker 15: follow and so on. But whichever way you look at it,
• 24:17
  Speaker 15: this was a tragic accident in a very bloody war
• 24:23
  Speaker 15: which was started by Hamas. The reason why Penny Wong
• 24:28
  Speaker 15: has called in the ambassador and made such extravagant criticism
• 24:33
  Speaker 15: of the Israelis is that the Albanese government wants to
• 24:38
  Speaker 15: hammer Israel, no doubt for domestic political purposes, and they're
• 24:44
  Speaker 15: using this as a perfect opportunity once more to pile
• 24:49
  Speaker 15: the pressure on the Israelis, rather than piling the pressure
• 24:53
  Speaker 15: on the people who started this war, Hammus and the Iranians.
• 24:58
  Speaker 15: They barely criticized Hummus and the Iranians, but they never
• 25:03
  Speaker 15: stop creditizing the Israelis. And this plays into the writing
• 25:10
  Speaker 15: and anti Ziona sentiment that we've all experienced in Australia.
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah, let's just explore that a bit further. Here's a
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: little bit more of what Pennywong had to say today.
• 25:21
  Speaker 12: I think, you know, we have an Australian humanitarian worker
• 25:24
  Speaker 12: who was killed not on the first strike, in the
• 25:29
  Speaker 12: context of three separate strikes on a humanitarian convoy. I mean,
• 25:33
  Speaker 12: obviously this is a difficult time in the relationship.
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: So the ministerry recognizing a difficult time in the relationship,
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: I mean the relationship with Israeli's effectively been trashed in
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: the past couple of years. Why would Pennywong not call
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: in the ambassadors from Turkey and Qatar to slam their
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: support and harboring of Hummas, which has led to the
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: deaths of many people, but including to one Australian on
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: October the seventh.
• 26:00
  Speaker 15: Well, that's not part of their political game. Their political
• 26:03
  Speaker 15: game is to align themselves with the Palestinians, despite the
• 26:09
  Speaker 15: fact that the Palestinians, as in Hamas, an extremist terrorist organization,
• 26:17
  Speaker 15: started this war on the seventh of October twenty twenty three.
• 26:25
  Speaker 15: But they've aligned themselves with these people and very deliberately
• 26:31
  Speaker 15: have chosen to set themselves up in opposition to the Israelis.
• 26:36
  Speaker 15: I think it's simply extraordinary And just looking at that
• 26:40
  Speaker 15: clip of Penny Wong, Let's be absolutely clear about this.
• 26:45
  Speaker 15: This was a tragic This incident was a tragic mistake,
• 26:49
  Speaker 15: and everybody knows it was a tragic mistake. It'll be
• 26:53
  Speaker 15: a different thing if the Israelis had deliberately done this
• 26:58
  Speaker 15: and decided to kill aid workers.
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: But it was a tragic mistake.
• 27:04
  Speaker 15: And the way the Australian government has been treating this
• 27:08
  Speaker 15: is to suggest the Israelis deliberately killed these aid workers,
• 27:13
  Speaker 15: including an Australian, and I think for the Australian government
• 27:19
  Speaker 15: to have done that is disgraceful.
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: Well, just want.
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: To go to the corollary of this, because I think
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: that's disgraceful because of what it does to Israel in
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: the international climate, what it does with our relationship.
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: The Sakka gives to Hummas.
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: But if you bring that back to the domestic situation,
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: this sort of demonization of Israel only inflames the anti
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: Zionist hatred here and therefore increases the risk to Jewish
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: Australians and all Australians when it comes to violent extremism.
• 27:53
  Speaker 15: Exactly exactly what I said, I've said for the last
• 27:57
  Speaker 15: two two and a half years, since the seventh of October.
• 28:03
  Speaker 15: The Australian government, I mean, of course they don't support
• 28:07
  Speaker 15: hamas per se, they distance themselves from Hammas, but the
• 28:13
  Speaker 15: whole time they have aligned themselves with the Palestinians and
• 28:19
  Speaker 15: have never stopped the criticism of Israel. And this has
• 28:25
  Speaker 15: let's be brutal about it. Maybe politicians nowadays wouldn't like
• 28:30
  Speaker 15: to say this, but this has incited or helped to
• 28:35
  Speaker 15: incite the anti Semitism that has become pervasive in Australia. Indeed,
• 28:41
  Speaker 15: anti Semitism in Australia has been stronger than it has
• 28:47
  Speaker 15: been in almost any other country I know. And that's
• 28:51
  Speaker 15: because the Australian government has been playing foot seat with
• 28:55
  Speaker 15: the Palestinian side and continually criticizing the Israelis. And today's
• 29:03
  Speaker 15: experience is just another chapter in that sorry book.
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: It sure is.
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: It's a sad and sorry tale. Thanks so much for
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: joining us, Alexander. I appreciate it. Alexander down of their
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: live from Adelaide. We're going to get to a break
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: on the other side. We're going to check in on
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: this out of control NDS. We'll hear from an operator
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: on some ideas of how to fix it. The Abenezi
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: government's Indis reform plan has now passed the Senate after
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: a deal between Labor and the Coalition. The reforms will
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: see nearly a quarter of a million people booted off
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: the scheme and it'll target now extensive fraud and raughting
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: by organized crime. Here's the Health and NDIS Minister Mark
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: Butler speaking yesterday.
• 29:48
  Speaker 16: What this plan delivers is security for the scheme. We
• 29:52
  Speaker 16: know that it's got too big, it was growing too fast,
• 29:55
  Speaker 16: and it become a soft target for shocks and fraudsters,
• 29:58
  Speaker 16: and people were concerned that something was going to have
• 30:01
  Speaker 16: to give at some stage unless the scheme was put.
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: Back on track.
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: Yes, some of us were saying that before the scheme
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: even started, Minister. But anyway, some providers now say there's
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: been little to no consultation and the whole process has
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: been poorly handled.
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: Let's bring in David Gunter, who's with Beltara Care. He's
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: the CEO there.
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: This company connects in theas participants with the right providers.
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: David, thanks for joining us. Tell us what are your.
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: Concerns about the package the government's put forward.
• 30:34
  Speaker 17: Oh, if I'm being completely honest, Chris, it's an absolute
• 30:36
  Speaker 17: dog's breakfast. You know, imagine scaring the absolute bajeebas out
• 30:39
  Speaker 17: of families and people with disabilities with this notion of
• 30:44
  Speaker 17: kicking you know, two hundred thousand people off of no
• 30:46
  Speaker 17: actual plan. We're hearing terms like mild and moderates disabilities,
• 30:51
  Speaker 17: but we've actually got no definition or no tool that's
• 30:54
  Speaker 17: been released on how we're actually going to assess what
• 30:57
  Speaker 17: is mild and moderates. Right now, we've got a lot
• 31:00
  Speaker 17: of very scared people, participants, families out there, Chris.
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Look, anybody who's been on this funding pipeline and
• 31:07
  Speaker 3: putting it to good use for their family members is
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: obviously going to be very worried, especially people were in
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: the autism spectrum for instance, which is going to be targeted.
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: But there's clearly a lot of routing here and clearly
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: as soon as this scheme was established, everybody knew it
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: could be targeted. It's such a pot of you know,
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: of continual government payments. Why hasn't the government been able
• 31:31
  Speaker 3: to actually bring in accountability? Why has it been so
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: easy for ruters to get involved.
• 31:39
  Speaker 18: This?
• 31:39
  Speaker 17: And Chris, both governments are set on their hands for
• 31:41
  Speaker 17: many years on this.
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 31:43
  Speaker 17: Obviously, being a special support coordinator and one of my
• 31:46
  Speaker 17: roles is obviously to vet providers for our participants, ensuring
• 31:50
  Speaker 17: that they've got reputable registered providers to work with them.
• 31:55
  Speaker 17: My big concern here is is that we who are
• 31:58
  Speaker 17: we got at the table. We don't actually have the
• 32:00
  Speaker 17: voice of lived experience at the table. We don't have
• 32:03
  Speaker 17: those reputable providers at the table. And you know, for
• 32:07
  Speaker 17: me that's a huge concern.
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: Well, for instance, we've spoken to the head of a
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: company involved in some of the management of NDIS claims
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: and plans and they've shown us that the receipts that
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: are often paid out on the NDEs can be written
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: on the back of a beer coaster. Basically, there's that
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: sort of slackness in the system. Shouldn't it just be
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: tightened up with an APP or some sort of standard procedure,
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: standard form so that if people are going to invoice
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: taxpayers through the NDIS, there needs to be clear information
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: there about exactly who's paying what, to whom and for what.
• 32:49
  Speaker 17: Absolutely, look and the answerary clear here. We need providers
• 32:52
  Speaker 17: who are registered, we need accountability, We need every invoice
• 32:55
  Speaker 17: to be checked and you know, there needs to be
• 32:59
  Speaker 17: proof that the service has actually occurred. As you said,
• 33:03
  Speaker 17: you know you've got an ABN you can write up
• 33:04
  Speaker 17: an invoice on the back of a beer coaster. And
• 33:07
  Speaker 17: I have literally seen that done on a napkin before
• 33:09
  Speaker 17: and that invoice being paid.
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: It's just not good enough.
• 33:12
  Speaker 3: Most companies would not pay out money on those sorts
• 33:16
  Speaker 3: of that sort of basis, So taxpayers money flying out
• 33:18
  Speaker 3: the door is ridiculous. Now you talk about registered providers,
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: I think a lot of people would be surprised to
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: know about it. What percentage of NDIO services are provided
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: by providers who are not registered?
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: Can you give us those numbers?
• 33:34
  Speaker 17: Yeah, look at my understanding is it considering ninety percent
• 33:37
  Speaker 17: of providers are unreticed. We've just seen that there has
• 33:41
  Speaker 17: been some reform around platform providers and what they call
• 33:45
  Speaker 17: seal providers who provide you know, disability commodation, essentially that
• 33:51
  Speaker 17: they now need to be to be registered. But look,
• 33:54
  Speaker 17: even so, what we've seen is, you know, we have
• 33:57
  Speaker 17: providers who provide disability combination and that's where we do see.
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: A lot of the ruts.
• 34:02
  Speaker 17: For example, we see participants with plans where they have
• 34:06
  Speaker 17: one to one support. You get a house, we have
• 34:08
  Speaker 17: five bedrooms, and you put five people in there. We
• 34:11
  Speaker 17: are often seeing all those participants with one to one support,
• 34:14
  Speaker 17: often twenty four hours around the clock. But what we're
• 34:17
  Speaker 17: actually seeing is five ndis participants to one support worker,
• 34:21
  Speaker 17: yet the organizations are still billing out at that one
• 34:23
  Speaker 17: to one, and that's where I see a lot of ruts.
• 34:26
  Speaker 17: That is where That's where I'm reporting a lot of
• 34:30
  Speaker 17: the accommodation providers that come across that. We are observing this,
• 34:34
  Speaker 17: and look, you know, there's also the enticement side of things.
• 34:36
  Speaker 17: We are seeing participants who are enticed. We're seeing participants
• 34:40
  Speaker 17: who will just blindly sign any sort of you know,
• 34:44
  Speaker 17: service agreements or accommodation agreement and not actually knowing what
• 34:48
  Speaker 17: they're signing. So you know, we need more oversight around this,
• 34:51
  Speaker 17: with having family involved and certainly you know, potentially the
• 34:56
  Speaker 17: Office of Public Advocacies.
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: It just makes so much sense.
• 35:00
  Speaker 17: These are very highly vulnerable people.
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks so much.
• 35:03
  Speaker 17: We' you've got a house in christ right now.
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: And sorry, David, we're gonna have to cut it off there.
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: I appreciate it.
• 35:08
  Speaker 3: Thanks very much, David Gunta there with such obvious advice, right,
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: common sense advice. They got to get on top of
• 35:14
  Speaker 3: this stuff and listen to the people at the cold
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: face so they can fix it.
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: We're going to get to a break on the other side.
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: The Swan scandal.
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: We'll catch up on the ramifications of that with psychologist
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: Claire Row, also the sporting side with Mark Robinson. In
• 35:32
  Speaker 3: the US, Meta, the company behind Facebook and Instagram, is
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: on trial accused of designing addictive apps which harm mental health.
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: Here's the latest from Fox News.
• 35:42
  Speaker 8: Twenty nine states led by California see the company behind
• 35:46
  Speaker 8: Facebook and Instagram deliberately designed its product to keep children
• 35:50
  Speaker 8: hooked while misleading parents and the public about the risks.
• 35:54
  Speaker 8: The state's accused matter of using addictive features like infinite scrolling,
• 35:58
  Speaker 8: personalized recommendations, and constant notifications to keep young users coming back,
• 36:04
  Speaker 8: even as the company knew about the potential for serious harm,
• 36:07
  Speaker 8: including anxiety, depression, and sleep problems.
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: Let's go to child and adolescent psychologist Claire Row.
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: Claire, good to talk to you again.
• 36:17
  Speaker 3: Is this sort of trickery, sort of digital trickery, exactly
• 36:20
  Speaker 3: what the social media band for children is designed to
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: try and protect our kids from.
• 36:27
  Speaker 19: Well, it is, Chris and I think that this case
• 36:29
  Speaker 19: is this legal case in the US is incredibly important.
• 36:33
  Speaker 19: It does really get to the heart of the debate
• 36:36
  Speaker 19: that we've had here in Australia about social media and
• 36:38
  Speaker 19: that is for years we've tended, of course, to frame
• 36:41
  Speaker 19: the problem around children spending too much time on screens,
• 36:44
  Speaker 19: and then we've asked parents to control it. And you know,
• 36:47
  Speaker 19: I've always said parents absolutely have that responsibility.
• 36:50
  Speaker 14: I've consistently said that.
• 36:51
  Speaker 19: But what makes this interesting is is twenty nine US
• 36:57
  Speaker 19: states going up against this tech giant, and they know
• 37:01
  Speaker 19: that you have deliberately built in these features, you know,
• 37:04
  Speaker 19: the continuous scroll and the notifications and everything that hooks.
• 37:08
  Speaker 14: Adults as well.
• 37:10
  Speaker 19: You have known the data about what this is doing
• 37:12
  Speaker 19: to children in their mental health, and you have proceeded anyway.
• 37:16
  Speaker 19: In fact, you've proceeded at speed to try and get
• 37:18
  Speaker 19: them hooked even more. And look, I think it's a
• 37:20
  Speaker 19: little bit of validation to parents to say, you know,
• 37:23
  Speaker 19: it is not just you. These things are addictive, and
• 37:27
  Speaker 19: I think most mums and dads will agree for their
• 37:29
  Speaker 19: own phone use, they are it is addictive. And so
• 37:32
  Speaker 19: it's two things can be true at once. I think
• 37:34
  Speaker 19: we need some boundaries in there and that can be
• 37:37
  Speaker 19: supported through legislation like we've done, and at the same time,
• 37:40
  Speaker 19: we need parental responsibility of course not to be abdicated.
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: This links through to the gambling reforms.
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: We've talked about gambling advertising reform because presumably advertising and
• 37:52
  Speaker 3: gambling apps use some of the same tricks.
• 37:55
  Speaker 14: Yeah, they do.
• 37:57
  Speaker 19: I think these reforms, I think they're important, and I
• 38:00
  Speaker 19: think that the nature of gambling in this country has
• 38:03
  Speaker 19: become first of all, normalized, but it's just so easy.
• 38:06
  Speaker 19: I think we need to remember that it's not taking
• 38:08
  Speaker 19: the ten dollar note out of your pocket anymore and
• 38:10
  Speaker 19: walking up to the tab counter and putting on a punt.
• 38:14
  Speaker 19: It's just pulling your phone out, and it's you know,
• 38:17
  Speaker 19: it's the incentives of you know, spend ten dollars and
• 38:19
  Speaker 19: get the bonus bets, and and it's it's the advertising
• 38:22
  Speaker 19: on the footy shirts. And the kids aren't just knowing
• 38:26
  Speaker 19: the names of their their footy stars that they like,
• 38:28
  Speaker 19: they're knowing the maltis and the betting odds and everything else.
• 38:30
  Speaker 19: And it's just pretty insidious. So again I kind of
• 38:34
  Speaker 19: come back to look, I think we should protect children,
• 38:36
  Speaker 19: and I think there's a role there for companies and
• 38:39
  Speaker 19: for government to do that without infantalizing adults.
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: Legal, it's legal and.
• 38:47
  Speaker 3: Responsibility is the key, right including with our kids. We've
• 38:50
  Speaker 3: got to talk to this stuff about our kids.
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: We know they're going to see it eventually.
• 38:54
  Speaker 3: We've got to tell people about personal choice and personal responsibility.
• 38:58
  Speaker 3: Look just on that you mentioned and sporting heroes. I
• 39:01
  Speaker 3: just want to finish before I go on to Robbo
• 39:04
  Speaker 3: to get your thoughts on this Sydney Swan's scandal. So
• 39:07
  Speaker 3: many kids have idolized these players, including the players caught
• 39:11
  Speaker 3: up right in the middle of this.
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: What sort of an impact does it have on them?
• 39:16
  Speaker 19: Well, I think a lot of parents are going to
• 39:17
  Speaker 19: have some questions to answer, because if we have suddenly
• 39:20
  Speaker 19: five players who aren't playing on the field and out
• 39:23
  Speaker 19: of finals, it's going to be a lot of little
• 39:24
  Speaker 19: kids who say, Mum, where are they?
• 39:27
  Speaker 14: So they're going to have to.
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: Come up with something.
• 39:29
  Speaker 19: And I've had someone ask me today even you know,
• 39:31
  Speaker 19: what do I tell my ten year old boy? Well,
• 39:34
  Speaker 19: I think you're honest at a developmental appropriate level. And
• 39:38
  Speaker 19: you say, mate, these heroes you know, to you they're
• 39:41
  Speaker 19: great on the footy field, but they went out very
• 39:43
  Speaker 19: late and they were drinking, and their behavior across the
• 39:47
  Speaker 19: line of what's acceptable for the club, and the club
• 39:50
  Speaker 19: has decided that they're not going to play the rest
• 39:51
  Speaker 19: of the season and there is a lesson in that
• 39:53
  Speaker 19: for kids.
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, good advice, Claire.
• 39:56
  Speaker 3: Thanks for joining us, Claire Row their child and adolescent
• 39:59
  Speaker 3: to so colleges. That's got to sports broadcaster and commentator
• 40:02
  Speaker 3: Mark Robinson Robber, this story just came out of nowhere.
• 40:06
  Speaker 3: It has changed the footy season. It's turned it on
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: its head now. The first person or people we think
• 40:13
  Speaker 3: of in this situation obviously are the alleged victims.
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: Of what went on in that Melbourne hotel. But here
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: you have.
• 40:21
  Speaker 3: A one of the premiership favorites.
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  Speaker 2: Completely.
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  Speaker 3: It shows how serious the club has been about these
• 40:28
  Speaker 3: transgressions because they've just destroyed their finals campaign by getting
• 40:32
  Speaker 3: rid of five players for the rest of the year.
• 40:35
  Speaker 20: Who would have thought that the Sydney Football Club, so
• 40:38
  Speaker 20: long respected for their involvement in the AFL and their
• 40:44
  Speaker 20: position in Sydney, find themselves in what can only be
• 40:48
  Speaker 20: described as a scene out of the Wolf of Walls three.
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 20: I can't remember in my time covering football a group
• 40:57
  Speaker 20: of players who willfully damaged and were caught willfully damaged
• 41:04
  Speaker 20: the reputation of themselves, their football club, the AFL. That
• 41:12
  Speaker 20: lady just had on them. Thousands of thousands of young
• 41:15
  Speaker 20: kids who support these players. Isaac Kenney, for example, the
• 41:19
  Speaker 20: pinup boy. I don't say that loosely. He is what
• 41:23
  Speaker 20: they call one of the highest profile players in the
• 41:27
  Speaker 20: game and sponsors and Swan supporters. They have damaged so
• 41:36
  Speaker 20: much for making a very stupid phone call and going
• 41:42
  Speaker 20: out and drinking and need allegations of clearly they were drinking.
• 41:48
  Speaker 20: There's allegations of drug taking by multiple media sources.
• 41:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, let me just jump in there, Robot, because Dean Cox,
• 41:56
  Speaker 3: this one's coach, was asked about drugs today.
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: Here is what's the message to fans ahead of this weekend.
• 42:05
  Speaker 20: Hopefully come and support as hard as you can and
• 42:08
  Speaker 20: spend some time at the footy.
• 42:10
  Speaker 4: There's been some reports of illicit drugs found in that
• 42:12
  Speaker 4: hotel room.
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  Speaker 19: Is there anything you have to say about that.
• 42:17
  Speaker 21: I've got my schedule press conference tomorrow, so I'm happy
• 42:22
  Speaker 21: to answer all questions and yeah, anything then.
• 42:27
  Speaker 3: To your idea now, Robo, We'll leave the allegations about
• 42:30
  Speaker 3: drugs and sexual assault to the police. That's not us
• 42:33
  Speaker 3: duck yet, that's the sensible thing to do.
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: But what we do know about the behavior.
• 42:39
  Speaker 3: What astonishes me is that this is a club that's
• 42:43
  Speaker 3: been under the pump for losing a couple of Grand
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: finals badly, so it's under pressure to perform in the finals,
• 42:50
  Speaker 3: and less than two weeks out from the finals starting,
• 42:54
  Speaker 3: you would have this sort of this sort of recklessness
• 42:58
  Speaker 3: unfolding in it in a hotel in Melbourne.
• 43:02
  Speaker 20: For people outside the realm of playing AFL football, where
• 43:07
  Speaker 20: they clubs go on at their core values and professionalism
• 43:11
  Speaker 20: and we leave no stone unturned to get the best
• 43:14
  Speaker 20: out of them and we bring them up to be
• 43:16
  Speaker 20: their best version of themselves.
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: In these five players, maybe not all of them, but
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: they've been suspended.
• 43:24
  Speaker 20: As a group, have just just in the face of
• 43:28
  Speaker 20: everyone who has supported them, their teammates, they have badly
• 43:32
  Speaker 20: affected that football club, and people on the outside think
• 43:36
  Speaker 20: to themselves, you guys, through talent and persevering, perseverance, perseverance
• 43:44
  Speaker 20: and dedication, have got yourself in a position, an exalted
• 43:49
  Speaker 20: position of an elite sportsman, and.
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: Then you just go and do this.
• 43:55
  Speaker 14: Now.
• 43:55
  Speaker 20: Wonder AFL players, not all of them, No wonder AFL
• 43:59
  Speaker 20: players are accused of having such entitlement that we can
• 44:04
  Speaker 20: do whatever we like stuff everyone else. And there's only
• 44:09
  Speaker 20: one last thing I want to say, I know you
• 44:10
  Speaker 20: want to talk about the allegations speech, but I have to.
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: The AFL illicit drug policy.
• 44:16
  Speaker 20: If the allegations are true, how much faith is people
• 44:21
  Speaker 20: following the game are to have in.
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: The illicit drug policy?
• 44:26
  Speaker 22: When a players allegedly are to say no fear, we've
• 44:31
  Speaker 22: got no fear of being tested, I mean something is
• 44:35
  Speaker 22: amiss and the odds of consequence, Yes, it's minor.
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: The Swans were brilliant this week, pavilege. Dan Cox is
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: a devastated man.
• 44:45
  Speaker 20: He can just tell and every time he's been doorstop
• 44:48
  Speaker 20: they have just let down their football club to the
• 44:51
  Speaker 20: point that they can't win the flag. And it's not
• 44:53
  Speaker 20: about winning flags and that's what fredim said about.
• 44:58
  Speaker 3: It is about letting down all those people with your
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: lack of respect, no doubt about it.
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: Sorry, Robbo, we're out of time, Thanks mate.
• 45:04
  Speaker 3: Just an unbelievable situation there, Mark Robinson Live in Victoria.
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: We're going to get to a break on the other side.
• 45:10
  Speaker 3: Malcolm Turnbull to teaming up with Chris Bohen can you
• 45:14
  Speaker 3: believe Mark Nicholson.
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: Will join me next.
• 45:21
  Speaker 3: Let's go to Melbourne Live now and catch up with
• 45:24
  Speaker 3: the man behind the please explain cartoons now One Nation
• 45:28
  Speaker 3: candidate Mark Nicholson, good to talk to you, mate.
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: Let's start off with the local politics.
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: Given you're a candidate in the state election. And Ben
• 45:37
  Speaker 3: Carroll announces his construction Royal Commission today. What I laughed
• 45:41
  Speaker 3: at was in his Royal Commission he talks about how
• 45:43
  Speaker 3: we've all known about all these concerns for two years
• 45:46
  Speaker 3: because of the reporting about them.
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: Finally he's acting.
• 45:49
  Speaker 3: What the hell has he been doing as a Deputy
• 45:52
  Speaker 3: Premier and the like over the past two years.
• 45:56
  Speaker 18: That's exactly right, mate, Yeah, Old Benny's put his big
• 45:59
  Speaker 18: boy hands on all of a sudden, and you forgive me.
• 46:03
  Speaker 14: I haven't got a lot of faith in.
• 46:05
  Speaker 18: Royal commissions generally at the moment, but not a lot
• 46:08
  Speaker 18: in this Royal Commission either. This is the same bloke
• 46:11
  Speaker 18: that stood by nodding along with Dan Andrews and Jacinta
• 46:15
  Speaker 18: Allen the whole time. Didn't raise an eyebrow. Maybe that's
• 46:18
  Speaker 18: the botox. Maybe that's the botox or botox, Benny, you
• 46:21
  Speaker 18: can't physically raise an eyebrow. But I don't have a
• 46:24
  Speaker 18: lot of faith that this Royal Commission is going to
• 46:26
  Speaker 18: do much unfortunately.
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: Is that an allegation or has he just got tight skin?
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: We need it.
• 46:33
  Speaker 18: We need a royal commission into the botox. That's what
• 46:35
  Speaker 18: I'm calling for, Cress, a real one with teeth.
• 46:38
  Speaker 3: Let me bring you to the national debate because there's
• 46:41
  Speaker 3: been a development that I think we all need to
• 46:43
  Speaker 3: worry about, and that is Chris Bowen is now.
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: Teaming up with Malcolm Turnbull.
• 46:48
  Speaker 3: We've got the green Zalans of either side of the
• 46:52
  Speaker 3: political divide teaming up.
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: Have a look of all.
• 46:55
  Speaker 14: The reasons for acting on climate change.
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: What do you think is it.
• 46:57
  Speaker 9: Drives us to do more all the time?
• 46:59
  Speaker 21: I mean, we've done got one planet elon Musk hasn't
• 47:02
  Speaker 21: found a new home for us on Mars yet, so
• 47:04
  Speaker 21: if we don't take action, we will fry our own home.
• 47:08
  Speaker 14: And there's still a bit of climate denial.
• 47:10
  Speaker 9: Skepticism about what do you say to that?
• 47:12
  Speaker 18: What do you say to people aren't you or or
• 47:14
  Speaker 18: here those skeptical arguments.
• 47:15
  Speaker 21: It's like it's physics. It's like saying I believe in gravity.
• 47:19
  Speaker 21: Gravity does not care whether you believe in it or not.
• 47:21
  Speaker 21: If you step out of the second floor window, you
• 47:24
  Speaker 21: will go very quickly to the ground level.
• 47:27
  Speaker 3: Oh, Malcolm, I used to work for him. I reckon,
• 47:30
  Speaker 3: he's the smartest man in the room.
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: It's like gravity if it doesn't matter.
• 47:35
  Speaker 3: If you think chopping down trees and planting transmission lines
• 47:38
  Speaker 3: in Australia is going to save the planet if global
• 47:42
  Speaker 3: emissions are still going up.
• 47:43
  Speaker 14: It ain't helping mate.
• 47:47
  Speaker 18: Precisely and honestly, I saw the ticket just before I
• 47:51
  Speaker 18: came on Beavis and butt Head, perfect summary tweetl the
• 47:54
  Speaker 18: tweetle dumb, dumb and dumber, a couple of peanuts.
• 47:58
  Speaker 14: It's all perfect to some up those guys.
• 48:00
  Speaker 18: But also when Malcolm talks about it, likens this to gravity,
• 48:05
  Speaker 18: except no one's been able to monetize gravity. And then
• 48:08
  Speaker 18: you think, oh wait, snowy hydro too, that's exactly.
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: What it is.
• 48:12
  Speaker 14: Who's responsible for that but Malcolm himself.
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: It's his grand plan.
• 48:17
  Speaker 3: Remember he did like the Marlborough add up there when
• 48:19
  Speaker 3: there's mountain men and we're building dreams, we're building big
• 48:22
  Speaker 3: dreams here in those mountains. Big dreams is twenty billion
• 48:25
  Speaker 3: dollars worth of dreams.
• 48:29
  Speaker 18: Blow out, blowout, blowout, Mabe and it's the bloat next
• 48:32
  Speaker 18: to him is exactly the same. There are two peas
• 48:34
  Speaker 18: in a pod, Tweetle day and Tweetle dumb. Which one's dumb,
• 48:36
  Speaker 18: I don't know, but both of them.
• 48:38
  Speaker 3: Well, the good news is, let's go to London and
• 48:40
  Speaker 3: have a look at the front page of the Sun newspaper.
• 48:43
  Speaker 3: A great news for all of our pomme friends.
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: Harry and Megha coming home. Oh, Prince Harry and Meghan.
• 48:49
  Speaker 3: Apparently they're heading back to London to live. There's been
• 48:52
  Speaker 3: some sort of a reconciliation with the royal family.
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: Piers Morgan says, I may.
• 48:57
  Speaker 3: Have to emigrate to the US, So I guess the
• 48:59
  Speaker 3: PO win on both counts.
• 49:03
  Speaker 18: Yeah, exactly, mate, And you know I've been trying to
• 49:06
  Speaker 18: look into it. Apparently they're saying it's a deeply private
• 49:09
  Speaker 18: family reason as to why they're moving back, which means,
• 49:12
  Speaker 18: of course, there's going to be an eight part Netflix
• 49:14
  Speaker 18: series on this move.
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: Mate.
• 49:16
  Speaker 14: I'm very excited to watch it. It's going to be great.
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: It's the next stop on their global privacy tour.
• 49:23
  Speaker 14: Exactly right, thanks mate, wait old tune in. I can't
• 49:26
  Speaker 14: help it. I love these guys.
• 49:28
  Speaker 3: We'll catch you next week and we'll see you on
• 49:30
  Speaker 3: Tuesday night. Because you're part of the documentary The Fight
• 49:32
  Speaker 3: for the Right. We'll see Mark Nicholson and that we'll
• 49:34
  Speaker 3: see you next Tuesday night, Mark in the Fight for
• 49:37
  Speaker 3: the Right. That's all the time we've got for you tonight.
• 49:39
  Speaker 3: I'll see you on Monday. Here's Peter Qudlin.