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- 0:00Quick note to say this is a slightly longer episode, the normal, it has been a while
- 0:03at Vick and I chatted like this, so we got slightly off-topic at the beginning of this episode.
- 0:09But today's episode we're going to talk about. The US government is essentially striking
- 0:13and what that means for the rest of the country, rest of the world. We're also going to talk
- 0:18about a new investing trend, a new Laboo. There is a grocery product that's also kind of taking off.
- 0:23Which sounds boring, very interesting. Very interesting. And lastly, the London Stock Exchange.
- 0:28Oh my god, huge sales. There's actually a lot in this episode that is genuinely,
- 0:33really interesting. We get past my stubbed toe very quickly. So onto that random story,
- 0:39but enjoy the episode.
- 0:44How's your morning being soft? I stomped my big toe with a lime bike.
- 0:48Oh, like I thought it was leaning against. So for anyone that's not based in London,
- 0:53lime bikes have become quite normal. Like they used to be kind of embarrassing. I remember saying
- 0:59to people like I'd go to a blind date and if I saw him on a lime bike or like dismantling a
- 1:04lime bike, I'd be like, oh, okay, okay. Also, when you can't put the seat up and you're riding.
- 1:09Oh, yes. I'm like, oh my god, my God, my God, my God, my God. It's so embarrassing. But anyway,
- 1:13so now it's become really common. Like most people get around London using e-mikes.
- 1:19And in summer, I reckon in winter, it's so hard because it's rainy. The number of times
- 1:24we've turned up to work absolutely changed. Yeah, true. It'll be interesting to see what happens
- 1:29because this is probably the biggest year e-bike that had right. Yeah.
- 1:33Like this morning, it was raining and when I got on my lime bike, I had to wipe the seat. And
- 1:37anyway, it was leaning against a fence, which often means that like the stands broken or something
- 1:43is broken, which at the moment is like very common, like often missing a seat or the mistake.
- 1:48Or like you jump on, you're like, this one's great. And then you go to riding, it's got no
- 1:51pedal when you fall over the handlebars. It's honestly just like, it is constant anyway.
- 1:56So I went to like get on this lime bike this morning and I came to like sort of stand it up
- 2:01because I assumed that the stand wasn't working. The stand was working and it just like,
- 2:05because they're so heavy. Yeah. Bully squished my big toe. And I was like standing there like,
- 2:10don't cry, don't cry, don't cry. And the skirt was like, in lime bikes, I was like, I know.
- 2:15She was like, this is my third lime bike this morning. I've had to jump off three. She's
- 2:20just like, I'm off it. And it's always when you're in a hurry. Yeah. But it did make me think
- 2:24that I was like, I wonder if lime bikes or e-bikes are what, because limes feel like they're
- 2:30turning to shit and the sense that they are always broken. They're like, it's so hard to...
- 2:35Honestly, it's quite funny. You see someone like looking at a lime bike before they can scan it to
- 2:39use it and they're like, checking the tire, checking the, you know, because it's just like common
- 2:44knowledge. They're all shit. I wonder if there's like, investing ideas in up and coming e-bikes or
- 2:50something? I actually read a headline. There's more e-bikes now in the world than EVs. They
- 2:55electric vehicles, which is quite amazing. But yeah, I think even with that, like there's such
- 3:00demand for any electric mobility. That's, yeah, I mean, I don't know any like up and coming
- 3:08electric bike companies. But yeah, it's definitely like an overarching brand. But it's almost just
- 3:15like, Uber just needs to get its A into G. Fixers Limes. True. Oh yeah, because... Oh wait,
- 3:19over on time. Yeah. But also like I think the amount of times I use a lime versus the issues
- 3:27I have versus like how we need the R on the streets. I know we can play. But you know if like
- 3:33something works, you don't even think about it. It's when it doesn't work. It's like when you read
- 3:37reviews for a bad restaurant and you're like, oh, that must be terrible. It's like, no, no, because
- 3:41if you go and you have a really nice experience, you don't, you know, most of the time you don't
- 3:45live a review. It's only when you have a bad review, bad time. Yeah. So then everything looks
- 3:51a little bit worse for that restaurant. Anyway, that's kind of what I'm getting at. But also,
- 3:55I reckon I've lost so much here when I... You're going to say, wait for some reason. I was like,
- 3:59you're not exactly like working on any calories on an e-bike. I know, it's so fine. I'm going to
- 4:04just like, just get that off. I always love people on all bikes. I'm like, suck it. I know.
- 4:11And they're probably like lazy birds. Yeah. Yeah. I love biking. It's actually in summer and
- 4:16I might win my hairs in the wind and I'm like, got my hair down. I've got my legs. Yeah, I love
- 4:20your den and my ears and I'm like, I love London. And then I get to work on my... What are you doing?
- 4:26Honestly, it's like clumps. I mean, I will take matted hair and like a 15-minute journey
- 4:33over 45 minutes on a bus that smells of someone's peanut butter sandwich any day.
- 4:39Yeah. Before we get into the news, I wanted to say I did something last week. So,
- 4:45firstly, thank you so much, Emily, for filling in. I know that was lunch.
- 4:49Cheers. It was very good, wasn't you? Yeah. It got me psych. Oh, God, I'm out of a job.
- 4:54But no, I took a week off and I speak to it by myself in the middle of nowhere. And when I say
- 5:00the middle of nowhere, I didn't have a car. I couldn't get food. It was like, no e-bike. No e-bike.
- 5:05I was on a kind of like my family's farm. There's a little cabin that I stayed in anyway.
- 5:11It was the first time that I had put time in. Do you remember when I did that, the
- 5:15passenger meditation age? It was like four years ago now. It was 10 days of not talking and
- 5:20it was like really off the grid and it was so good. You really made up for it now, haven't you?
- 5:26But I was like, God, I really haven't had time by myself for like time to just think or decompress,
- 5:31you know? And I think when we have holidays or breaks, it makes sense to want to go and do something
- 5:36fun with friends or like, I don't know, go traveling and make the most of it. But even if it's a day
- 5:42or a weekend, the skid space and like the clarity and the calm that I think you get from being by
- 5:49yourself is so amazing. And I just wanted to encourage anyone that's like, wow, I feel like
- 5:54overwhelmed or whatever. I think that even if it was a weekend, I know there's those little cute
- 5:58cabins in New Zealand, the unyoked ones, which we've both stayed in. And you can kind of disconnect.
- 6:03They're not super expensive. I don't know. I just, I feel like there's so much going on in the
- 6:09world at the moment. It can get really overwhelming. And sometimes all you need is just a minute in
- 6:13nature to be able to just come back feeling a bit more refreshed. Yeah. I feel like it's time
- 6:19well spent, even though it can feel like a way. So you're like, oh, I could be in Italy,
- 6:23could be anywhere. So it's like, yeah, sometimes maybe all you need to do is sit your ass down,
- 6:27watch your Netflix show, go for a naked hot tub. Do a lot of people like this. So many mums
- 6:33listening, being like, I would love to take a week off and go into the woods. But no, Bill Gates
- 6:39does it. He goes to, I mean, he's probably got a million houses, but he goes to like one of his
- 6:44spots, but he takes like 10 bags of books. Really? And he just reads, reads and reads and reads and reads
- 6:51and reads for a week, just like book after book after book. I was like, it's your dream. I know,
- 6:56but I'm like, I don't know, like that much condensed reading in a week, like the number of books that
- 7:01he goes to is insane. He must read like one or a couple of hours or something. Just unfortunately
- 7:05very slow at reading, like it would take me a week to get through one. But I mean, Bill Gates is
- 7:11one to look up to. So maybe he's on something. Have you seen his daughters in your business?
- 7:15No. Oh my god. I mean, Nepo baby, but you know, it's this, I'm going to butcher this, but it is a,
- 7:22like an app that you put on your own when you go shopping. And so say you wanted to buy that
- 7:26black blazer. And you are on the website for memu because I can afford memu. Say you're on the
- 7:32memu website. And you're like, oh, this place is cool. Um, it would pop up where that is sold
- 7:38at the price is like, yeah, yeah. And so you just have this like little, I don't know,
- 7:42attachment to your wherever you're searching. And it's like, hey, it's actually 80 pounds on this
- 7:46website. Oh my god. No, that is such a good idea. So incredible. Yeah. Well, that is so clever
- 7:52because I reckon so many people just spined hours. Yeah. I've started asking chat, but even yesterday,
- 7:59I went to try and buy these Korean face masks, which I swear by every time I put them on,
- 8:03although it's the ones that dissolve it now. I owe dance or something. Yeah, yeah, the
- 8:07saga. Holy shit, guys, I look 10 years younger wearing them. Don't put me off the moon. I don't
- 8:11know. It's just when you wake up and you forget you've got an arm, you know, and you're like, see,
- 8:15I wake up in the middle of night and it's not quite done yet. Yeah, I just off that. So I
- 8:19wrote great for planes, but what was the point here? Oh, yeah. I went to buy 10 of them at this
- 8:24Korean place last night. Yeah. And then I quickly looked online to like, this is so naughty, but like
- 8:29on Amazon or other places to see how much cheaper it was. And I was like, it's five pounds less
- 8:34for four. Yeah. And I was going to get 10. So it's like essentially 10 pounds, which I know isn't
- 8:38like huge, but you know, when you're on a budget, that's quite a bit. So then I put them back and
- 8:43I just got to immediately and thought, okay, I'll get the rest online. It's called for you. Herb,
- 8:47her business. Yeah. PHIA and shopping assistant. Such a good idea. Because I did that I had to
- 8:54awkwardly go, excuse me, I'm not going to pay for these and step to the site and then had to quickly
- 8:58like look up where I could find them to check the price, but that's such a good business model.
- 9:03An AI agent to help users make smarter purchasing decisions by comparing prices, resale values,
- 9:08product details, but remember, she would have so much pressure to do something epic. Imagine you'd
- 9:13be paralyzed by all the different ideas you have. Oh, what's Dad getting a thing? I know. Yeah.
- 9:20And then also like, like, even I just said, let me put it back, you know, like, oh, well, of course
- 9:24your business is going to be well. You know, I like all of that would be like, I just think you've
- 9:28damned if you do, damned if you don't see me as well do it. And if you're advantage, like,
- 9:32your dad's a tech guru, do something in the tech space, you've got so much connections,
- 9:37get funding, like don't just, yeah, do something. Do something. Yeah, because I agree. And I
- 9:41hurry back. And do something with us, you know, if you want to, like, you know, start something,
- 9:46just reach out. It's totally fine. We're all ears. But even if it's selling toilet paper,
- 9:51anything. Oh my god. Actually, on that, we quickly read out, I'll like paraphrase it, but that
- 9:56email that we got about someone wanting to know more about business, because I think this is
- 10:00such a perfect segue to talk about women, business and the idea of like starting to think about
- 10:05ideas. Hey, the curve team, I've never reached out to a potty before. So I'm feeling like I've gone
- 10:11wrong, but I'm experiencing a frustration with business and investment opportunities and the
- 10:15barrier that we face as women. And I wonder if this is something that you could or would want to
- 10:20cover in an episode. I've always wanted to own a business and yet I still haven't done anything
- 10:24about it, because I don't really know how to go about it. And I haven't found any advice,
- 10:28resources to help someone like me understand what opportunities look like or are available,
- 10:33or better yet, even a role model who has done this. I know lots of women that have founded their
- 10:37own businesses, some that have great success. And I hear about this often, but this normally happens
- 10:42within the sphere of interest or knowledge. And it's on a small scale. People start salons,
- 10:48they start food businesses, interior design, baby products, financial education for women,
- 10:53and brackets, bravo, etc. I don't hear anything about women buying insulation factories, bus
- 10:59equipment, and porters, glazing installers, things that they know nothing about, making a ton of
- 11:04money and then selling them for millions of dollars two years later. But I do hear about heaps of
- 11:08men doing this. Why? I think that there's a worthy discussion here and a proportion of the
- 11:13population. And I assume that these are majority men well-educated afloen backgrounds know that
- 11:18there are business and investment opportunities available to them that other people would never
- 11:22even realise existed or are possible. How do we raise the curve and lift the curtain for the rest
- 11:27of the population? What makes one portion of people likely to achieve this in others? I don't
- 11:32think it's necessarily skill. I think it's belief. Thanks for listening. And thanks for an awesome
- 11:37podcast. I'm an avid listener and love what you do. This got me thinking. What did you think?
- 11:42I have two thoughts on that. Yeah. Firstly, at a point around, you know, lots of men are buying
- 11:47businesses. The years ahead in terms of building their wealth, right? Like them we are.
- 11:52You mean because they've money to buy it? They've had access to investing. They've been the
- 11:59breadwinners for so long. And I'm using very traditional roles here. But they're just miles
- 12:04ahead. And we've seen that there's why there's a wealth gap. That's why there's a gender pay gap.
- 12:09Like all of that. So that's kind of, I think that's probably why she's saying there is more
- 12:15men buying businesses because they have the wealth to do it or the money to do it. The other thing is
- 12:20when she was like this typically is, you know, businesses that there's a fair knowledge,
- 12:25their sphere, their sphere and knowledge, which is so true, right? It's a very different sphere
- 12:31to ours. One of my favorite things is if it's getting worse wrong. It's a soft brand for someone
- 12:39that says, if you were interested in a manufacturing facility, then you would. But like very little
- 12:46woman are because we're not really in those roles either. You know, they're much more, you know,
- 12:50intensive and like hands on and, you know, we tend to be more in like nursing or, you know,
- 12:56teaching, which again, huge generalization. But so like we're not going to identify its opportunities.
- 13:01But that's okay. It doesn't mean there's the ones over here are less fruitful because they're not
- 13:07going to identify. But that's kind of what she's saying though is like, why are, well, what I read
- 13:13from that was like almost the idea that for guys, it doesn't matter if it's the area of confidence
- 13:19they're just looking for businesses. They don't care if it's like a society, right? It's how
- 13:23we've been brought up. It's how we've been told. It's like me and grow your wealth woman, save your
- 13:28money. You know, like it starts from such a young age and it's like conditioned in us, you know,
- 13:33the number of moms they talked to and they're like, oh, my son who's like 13 is, you know,
- 13:37talking about stocks and trading with his friends doing like fake investing clubs and stuff like that.
- 13:43Where's the daughter's into skincare and like, you know, and it's just like they don't even know when
- 13:48that separation happens. Like it's just so systemic. I think it's also, you look at some of the most
- 13:53successful businesses in the world, like even that flow app, the female period app was founded by men.
- 13:59You know, that was an opportunity if women had been thinking or had their business hats on.
- 14:05We could have spotted that. I think also, sorry, before I forget, I think it's just like very
- 14:10efficient. It's like this is actually a really good, like hats off to her for sending this and
- 14:15being interested in like spotting like, hey, hang on, why can't I do that? Because that's like
- 14:19the start of unpacking it, right? And like, it might not be in our generation, but it's like,
- 14:24you know, the more that women start thinking about this, the more closes they get. But also,
- 14:30Warren Buffett always talks about this and that is that like it's the boring businesses that
- 14:36sometimes the most successful, you don't have to have the glossy new app or, you know, like the
- 14:42one with the shiny storefront. It's like toilet paper, you know, it gives a crap. What an epic
- 14:47this is. Yeah, you can make like even like, I remember this business that it had a monopoly. So
- 14:52it was like the sole, sole creator of hawks for wine bottles. And it was worth billions, like,
- 14:58things like zips, the company that invented zips. You don't even think about like aluminum cans.
- 15:04How many people are moving to cans like glass and cans over plastic now? Like those types of
- 15:10porn equipment, boring businesses can make millions of millions. Absolutely millions. And it's like,
- 15:15you don't have to think, yeah, it has to be like shiny and new and yeah, you can just buy an
- 15:20existing business and make it slightly better. And then have this really great income stream
- 15:25for the rest of your life. Okay. Yeah. Now, before we move into the news, no, no, I'm sorry for
- 15:31this. Like I think there is such a massive opportunity to talk about business, how to run a
- 15:37business, business finances, to talk about what does it even mean to buy a business? What would
- 15:42the things be that you should look for? If you have an idea and you need to be funded, and therefore
- 15:47you need to go and raise capital, how on earth do you do that? I think that if you are at all
- 15:53interested in this, I would love to put a poll on this podcast, wherever you're listening,
- 15:58if you can vote with this is something you'd be interested in, and just feel free to comment
- 16:02anything because we are in a position where we could totally go and do content to help educate
- 16:09on this. And I think that businesses and growing wealth, you're right, Vic. It's like the most
- 16:14of the way that men have made squillians and become so powerful when it comes to their finances
- 16:20is through business. And if so many of us are not thinking about the idea of that or even know
- 16:24what kind of like entry point there is for some, you know, then of course we're going to continue
- 16:29to step behind. So yeah, even if you're in a job that you love, but you'd be interested in hearing
- 16:33about this, please can you comment or vote on this podcast because I think that it would be amazing.
- 16:40Should we get onto some news? Yes, sorry. I feel like slight digress is my end. I'm begging for it.
- 16:46Yes, but is that weird? Is that sexual? No, no, no. I mean, it kind of it is a thing. I'd say
- 16:51I'm gagging for your outfit, like it's a phone right now. That's weird. People are like, oh,
- 16:56I gagged. That's right. I mean, everybody is younger. You know, and you don't really know what
- 17:01words mean and you kind of like, you know, I'd be like, bollocks and dead would be like, excuse me,
- 17:06and I'd be like, I don't even know what it means. Balls. Yes. Did you know that? Bullocks is balls.
- 17:13I know. Exactly. And he lost it. And I was quite young. I was like, Pellocks. And he was like,
- 17:17don't you do this anyway. Another time, this might not be podcast worthy, but I'll just say
- 17:22all you might need to like be part of a whole lot. Anyway, I'd wear at the dinner table with, like,
- 17:27my auntie and I think like mum hadn't, mum had had some friends over and I was talking about
- 17:32something obviously really passionately. And I was like, I think it was a restaurant or somewhere
- 17:36being, but that's quite young. Anyway, I was talking about something and I was like, oh my god,
- 17:40it was so good. I cream my pants. And I had no idea what it means. And even on the table was like,
- 17:48and I kind of knew I was like, oh, I've seen something. Because if you don't know what it means,
- 17:55you're like, okay, I've seen something and it must mean all the connotations. But Eve Ram was like,
- 18:00right. So the we're there. Yeah, it was probably like, if I make a scene, she'll know it's a bit like,
- 18:05if we just brushed under the rug and like, I know. And I was like, kind of a cute phrase. Do you know
- 18:12it's not like, it's quite sexual. I know. I was like, yeah, it's my pants. There's so much good
- 18:18stuff that's happened in the news this week. The biggest one is, I've got here US shut down.
- 18:24The US has not shut down. But I love the dramatic title. Yeah. Got to embellish things a little
- 18:30bit. I love it. Clickbait. Yes, clickbait is the word I was looking for. Anyway, the US government
- 18:36has shut down. That is quite a big deal. I know. Yeah, just Mr. G would in there. But yeah,
- 18:41it's still quite a big deal. I mean, honestly, I would have said that's more clickbait. Yeah,
- 18:44okay. It's the US government. It's like US shut down. Oh, we got COVID again and cool. We've
- 18:49been here down there. Yeah. The US government is shut down. Now, this is also worth saying this
- 18:53is at the time of this recording. So like, there may be some evolutions in the next couple of days,
- 18:58right? Yes. Yeah. How did we get here? What does it mean? So like, with, with in the US,
- 19:03the US government effectively runs a budget that has to be approved by Congress. So if there is a
- 19:09breakdown between the US government and Congress of like not giving them money, not giving them
- 19:14an appropriate budget for certain things, or they can't agree on how much they spend or where
- 19:18they should spend it, they can't really operate as normal the government. So they like shut down
- 19:24and they go, you know what, you're not giving us the funding. We're not going to operate. It's
- 19:28almost like a strike, I guess. If you think of like a bus company or an airline, if the workers
- 19:35aren't getting paid what they want to be paid, then they shut down. It's kind of the same,
- 19:40but at like a business level. So sorry, where's the money coming from again? From Congress. Yeah,
- 19:44which is essentially they dictate where money should be spent. And it's a bit different to New
- 19:49Zealand. It's Congress above parliament. Yeah. Government. So Congress sets the budgets or the
- 19:55financials that feeds into them what the government does. Yes. Yeah. And as the whole with Trumps,
- 20:01this is going to make me sound like the most ignorant person. But the reason that Congress
- 20:05is quite a massive deal. Is it because he's starting to get more Trump people up there,
- 20:10which means it's then influencing economy and you can get anything through that you can get
- 20:14like laws through, you can get politics, you can make a lot of changes. If you get, if you have
- 20:19government senate and the Congress, Congress is like there is above the US government. So you
- 20:25know, they're telling the US government what they can and can't spend money on. And Trump's gone,
- 20:28if you, you know, if if you don't give us what we want in terms of spending, in terms of money,
- 20:34we're going to shut down now. Oh my God. So that he's basically Trump is striking. Yeah. And he's
- 20:39blaming the Democrats and Congress saying, this is all your fault. Is if he's free PR, if he
- 20:45decided to launch a PR company, stunning. In fact, do our PR for the curve. Yeah. Oh, like honestly,
- 20:52no, seriously, I feel like I can just get any any weird brainwashing message to be like global
- 20:57news. Yeah. I think there's a bigger like I genuinely, you know, how he comes out with all his
- 21:01sporadic comments or like messages or, you know, something that you think is so less fielded.
- 21:06And you're like, why is he doing? I genuinely think he has a great. Yeah. That's what I meant.
- 21:11I think that it's like, no, Trump just say something. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You know, say
- 21:15that weird carrot joke. And he'll be distracted. You know, like it's so strange. Or it's like say
- 21:20the carrot joke, get everyone to hate carrots because we actually want to bring in some carrots
- 21:24from Argentina. Or like, you look at him at like face failure and you think, what an idiot. Yeah.
- 21:32But then behind the scenes, whatever is going on, which is why it's scarier because I think he was
- 21:37just like, oh, sorry. I think the divide that the fact that he's blaming the democrat, I just
- 21:42think the divide he's creating between the Republicans and Democrats is just like very toxic.
- 21:47You know, like it's anyway, but with the US shutdown, you might be like, cool. Okay. The US
- 21:52government shut down. What does that mean? What does it mean? I mean, the tube strike, we can't
- 21:55get to work and to find an alternative. But what does that then mean for the government version?
- 21:59Yeah. If you think about that on a like a US, you know, as a country level, the departments that
- 22:06can't operate as normal, like defense, like military, border security, air traffic control, museums,
- 22:15medical research facilities. So all of these places are being partially shut down or shut down,
- 22:20or fully shut down. What temporarily? Because they just don't have money. They don't have money. Yeah.
- 22:23Rubbish truck drivers. That was the big one last time there was a shutdown. The streets were just
- 22:28piled with rubbish. Sorry. When was the last time this happened? So this is the first time it's
- 22:33happened in seven years. I mean, on a seven, seven years ago. I know. And it's the third time
- 22:38Trump's done it. So he's he's pretty well versed in this. The last time it happened that it reopened
- 22:44was in January 2019. They only really last like, they don't last very long. But it's enough to have
- 22:49like a severely disruptive impact. But it cost the economy three billion dollars last time.
- 22:55All right, big. But anyway, I just want to touch on those departments because
- 22:58medical research facilities like that's like imagine if you're trying to find a cure for cancer
- 23:03and now you have to shut down, you know, like all those delays impact people in the health
- 23:08in the house sector. The rubbish truck drivers, I mean, that's, you know, all the rubbish truck
- 23:13companies that are employed by the council or like regionally, you know, just gross that rubbish
- 23:18piles up. But the one that has kind of been getting a lot of tension is these economic data
- 23:27and like statistic centers that are unable to release economic data because of the government shutdown.
- 23:37So this is what we're talking about. This is all part of a bigger plan. Right. There's a big
- 23:41report that is due out on Friday. Oh my god, what is it? It's the jobs report. So it shows like
- 23:49how many people are unemployed like it shows the health of the of the of the job market. And
- 23:56anyway, that is a really important report which feeds into interest rates decisions. So this is
- 24:04all in my opinion part of a bigger plan that maybe he knows that jobs report is going to be terrible.
- 24:11Maybe it's his way of getting control over or influencing interest rate decisions,
- 24:18which we know impacts, you know, consumers that impacts the stock market and impact, you know,
- 24:22so it's like this weird roundabout way and maybe I'm reading into it too much, but everyone
- 24:28I love the Sherlock Holmes that you're doing here. All the headlines are like he's doing this
- 24:33specifically because there is data that he's either delaying being released or doesn't want to
- 24:38release. What is his huge push towards wanting to influence and change interest rates? Why is he
- 24:45so because this sounds like it's just the biggest deal ever? Why is it such a big deal for him?
- 24:49Because it impacts the stock market. So when we have lower interest rates, people are getting
- 24:54less a lower return on their money in the bank. So they're like, you know what, I'm going to put
- 24:57in the stock market because I'm going to need a greater return. Also businesses can borrow money
- 25:02much cheaper. So if you think of all the businesses that are listed on the stock market, they can now
- 25:07be like, actually, I can go borrow some money to go launch in that new market or launch that new
- 25:13product or, you know, to to grow. His companies are also publicly listed companies on the stock
- 25:19market. He's the bloody president. I know. Surely he doesn't give a shit about his company at this
- 25:23point. Like how much money does one need? I know. Yeah. But also you sang all of those things to me.
- 25:30It sounds like that's a good economic decision. Why is it bad? You know, like the idea of like
- 25:34the money flowing interest, the stock market, more businesses being able to thrive. So how does
- 25:39inflation then turn impact in a negative way? Because if it gets too out of control, people
- 25:45days to days living expenses get more and more expensive. So they can't afford things. Also,
- 25:50companies in the stock market, if it gets too out of control, people aren't buying their products,
- 25:55their services because they're too expensive. Like we've seen how detrimental high inflation was,
- 26:00you know, when we'd had the cost of living crisis. So you have to be so careful that you don't
- 26:08decrease interest rates too quickly or too far. The central bank in the US, the Federal Reserve,
- 26:15the Reserve Bank of New Zealand, like there is whole departments that are skilled at doing this
- 26:21and balancing this with all other data that's going on in an economy. And then you've got this
- 26:26president who has no economic background, just a business mind that wants to influence
- 26:35the Federal Reserve. And so this is his way, in my opinion, of influencing the Federal Reserve
- 26:41without actually the central bank, the central bank in the US. So like the one that chooses
- 26:48whether we go up or down with interest rates. But why is this going to make them choose something?
- 26:54How is this? No, I'm so sorry, he's been wanting to influence them for so long and they're
- 26:59completely separate. Like there's a reason, you know, so you don't get presidents in power
- 27:05that if the economy in the sense of influencing interest rates. So this, in my opinion, is his way
- 27:13of influencing. And around a bit really roundabout way, he's going, you know what, I'm not going to
- 27:18give you access to the data that you need to make your decisions by shutting down the US government.
- 27:24So therefore you're going to have less information, make a less informed decision. It's my way of
- 27:28having control of you without actually having control of you. I mean, that's just my opinion.
- 27:33I don't know. I don't know. Don't come to me Trump. No, no, no, no, oh my god. We can never go to
- 27:38the US. We're absolutely going to be bound forever. We should start like a shadow podcast. That's
- 27:44like, we love Trump. So true. So true. And then we get all sorts of like, everyone vote for
- 27:50Trump. Like, just have three followers. We'll get visas like that. Yeah. Do you know what?
- 27:55That I was thinking this yesterday. So Halloween is coming up, right? Could we do a scary episode
- 28:00on how when someone gets into power in government, they can have a really terrifying impact on
- 28:07the economy if they do dodgy shit, because I was listening to this podcast the other day that
- 28:11was talking about somewhere, I honestly can't even remember what country it was, but it was
- 28:16really fascinating to see how much like dictator or like corrupt leadership can really
- 28:22fuck up an economy. And like, maybe we could do a case study just because I think what's happening
- 28:27in the US. And even this example you're using is like kind of heading potentially in that direction.
- 28:33Well, that's scary. Spooky. Spooky. Off top of the episode.
- 28:36Oh,
- 28:38ashes. Emily off might just said, could we please dress up as Trump? I'm here for
- 28:43I'll do Melania and you can do Trump. Fine. I'm fine with that. Absolutely fine.
- 28:48I'm going to get the good dress up. That's probably not yet. Yes. Well, this is why democracies
- 28:52are so important and why it's so important to vote for who's in power because you're right.
- 28:55It's like, you get the wrong people in there. They can actually do some significant damage.
- 28:59And what I am hoping this is, I mean, I say we're like, we're not a political platform,
- 29:04but we're always like, I know. I mean, we're super in the middle. I know. Love everyone.
- 29:11I just hope this is a good reminder for everyone. Yeah, how important is to vote of who's in power
- 29:16because they can have a damaging effect and they can actually create a lot more hostility,
- 29:21not only increase taxes or interest rates, what do you like it say? They can actually create
- 29:25a lot of divide, which is so toxic and so hard to unwind. Anyway, the winner out of all this
- 29:32is gold. Really? Golds just gone from strength to strength. I think I've invested in gold actually.
- 29:37Nice. Yeah, not a lot, but I remember doing it. I think it was around the time when that giant
- 29:42wobble happened maybe six months ago. I put some money in gold. Oh, yeah. So it's, I mean,
- 29:47do you want me to do a little spiel as to why gold is so great? Yeah. So I'm not looking at
- 29:52nights everyone. I promise. What I think of when I think of gold, that always talks about the
- 29:57like to safety. So just close your eyes and imagine a hundred goals flying in the direction. Yeah,
- 30:02you know how they migrate towards like safer pastures or whatever. This is the birds flying off
- 30:09thinking shit. The land I'm on right now is dangerous. I'm going to fly to safety and where are
- 30:14they flying? They're flying towards gold, a golden land that's more stable, that in a disastrous
- 30:20environment, everyone knows is going to be fine. And we have so many goals flying right now. Yeah,
- 30:25like everyone. Every goal is up in the air from one non-gold land to a gold land. Yes.
- 30:32Yeah. But the flight to safety really is the idea of when things feel unstable and scary.
- 30:39What can you hold on to? What do you go back to? What is the like tried and true? Gold has been
- 30:44there forever. It's tangible. It's blah, blah, blah. Do you think that was a good explanation?
- 30:48Yeah. Yeah. Definitely. Now did it. So basically gold is killing it. Gold is continuing to kill it.
- 30:54So just for anyone that doesn't know, you can actually buy gold, not necessarily like big bars,
- 30:58like from you know, Chuck Bass and Gossip Girl and keep them in a safe. But like you can buy shares
- 31:03of gold. And actually, so in the same way you would buy shares on the stock market, you can buy
- 31:08gold. There's ETFs. We speak about this a lot in the investing club. There's actually a bunch
- 31:12of different gold ideas. So if you would like to, yeah, find out about the different gold.
- 31:16It's actually an ETF. Oh, it's called something else. That's right.
- 31:21An exchange traded commodity. Yes. Yes. So if you would like to, yeah, look into some of the
- 31:26investing ideas that we've done in the gold space, we'll put the link in the podcast show notes.
- 31:30So there's a big investing trend. Well, it started to play out already actually, so. But it's called
- 31:36cadolting. Who comes up with least stupid names? No, it's not coming at me. Cadolting.
- 31:41Cadolting. Cadolting. Cadolting. Yes. Yeah. We saw it with Labubus, right? You know, like all these
- 31:47adults being like, oh my god, the boo, boo, boo, boo. Why was I so late to that trend? I just
- 31:51remember seeing all these random little fluffy things hanging on people's expensive handbags and
- 31:55being like, what? I feel like when I'm late to a trend, I get really like, oh my god, you know,
- 32:01late. If I were... You're quite good with trends though, like even long necklaces I've noticed
- 32:05you've started wearing. I only wear short ones still. Oh, girls. And I keep looking at your long
- 32:11necklaces thinking, I don't know if I like it, but I know in a year's time, I'll be like, I want a
- 32:16long necklaces. Anyway, yes. Cadolting is when adults kind of buy into toys and figurines and
- 32:25like real kid stuff. And yeah, we saw it with Labubus. We're now seeing it with this, like this
- 32:29company that does like jelly cats. These like squishy toys. It's a private company. It's
- 32:34really news doubled in the last 12 months. We spoke about this company, Games Workshop,
- 32:40which... That random little turtle thing. Yeah. That's it. Yeah. So it's a soft toy. Or the avocado
- 32:45at the bottom. What do they... They just like squishy toys. Do you hold them? Yeah. And
- 32:50squish them. They're just a toy. Like a Labubus. It's just a toy. So it's not like a
- 32:53stressful with a fun thing in the middle. It's just literally a toy. It's kind of like,
- 32:58this is my Labubus. And it's a talking point. And they're like, oh my god, I've got a jelly cat
- 33:01too. And it's a jelly cat. It's... We're leaning into that nostalgic, youthful, you know, holding on
- 33:07to our childhood. Anyway, it has gone... It's a huge trend. And we spoke about this with Games Workshop
- 33:13in the Investing Club, like a year ago, even more than that. And that share price has done,
- 33:18you know, phenomenally well. But Games Workshop is like little figurines. And I remember when
- 33:22someone pitched it to the Investing Club to for me to like, look at it. And I was like,
- 33:26we had a company that does that little figurines. And they were onto something. Like, it's crazy.
- 33:31And that is why the Investing Club is genius because we all see trends in different parts of our
- 33:36lives. Even if you're not investing right now or you're new to investing, that is such a good
- 33:40example of, like, keep an eye out for things that you start to see booming. Because in the same
- 33:46way that a business benefits from being a part of a big trend, like, you know, whoever's making
- 33:50these random stupid soft toys. Yeah. If you start seeing that around you and your friends doing it,
- 33:55have an investing hat on. Thank you for being here. Is this a company that is like a publicly
- 33:59listed company I could buy sharing? Like Popmart? Who owns the Bobo? The issue prices up 400
- 34:05per cent in the last round once. So you put a hundred dollars in, you would have four hundred
- 34:09dollars. Guys, and that is why we invest. That is why we invest. There's another trend actually,
- 34:16speaking of, I'm on a roll. Really at the forefront of all cool things. I know. Look at me,
- 34:22look at me. What is it? Four front of trends. Butter. Love it. Can get into it. I'm really not
- 34:28on a salesperson. Yeah. Butter. Eating it. Eating it. So there is a real hype at the moment for
- 34:36premium butter. Like, we're talking like $60 for a thing of butter. Like, who makes the butter?
- 34:42Like, is what sort of animals are coming from? It's sorry. I'm like, okay, a cow. Yeah,
- 34:48others turns into milk. But why is it so expensive? It's cows that have been fed like gold.
- 34:57I was pulling your leg now. No, no, but seriously, like, what? No, but I see it's like, it's
- 35:04comes back to what Emily and I were talking about last week is like the experiences, right?
- 35:09People are way more willing to spend $60 to have a premium butter that tastes delicious and
- 35:16is rich in flavor than they think they're spending money on clothes because they want
- 35:22their experience of like a beautiful restaurant, a beautiful food, you know, a beautiful holiday,
- 35:29a beautiful much, you know, like they're willing to spend a little bit more on these things.
- 35:33This is such an interesting trend in my eyes just for anyone that cannot see it. She's sitting
- 35:37in the corner with the widest eyes I've ever seen, nodding at us like, this is true. This is true.
- 35:41Oh my friends are eating butter. Yeah. Yeah. I look at it in the supermarket and I'm like,
- 35:47you know, like the cheapest one, you're just like, oh god, that must be bad for you. A premium one,
- 35:52no, it's like a creamy butter is like, I'm a big butter fan. So am I. Don't get me wrong. I am
- 35:58on the butter bandwagon, but there's also a health trend here, right? Like the the cheap margarine
- 36:05esque, you know, butter, it's got like a lot of fatty acids, a lot of, you know, it's quite bad for
- 36:11for you, whereas, and I don't know if this is necessarily true for all premium butters, but
- 36:16there is a perception that the more expensive, the more quality ingredients, the better for you.
- 36:21I love a health food product, but I absolutely cannot afford to spend more than 10 pounds on
- 36:31a block of butter. I don't understand how, like is it that, you know, the Gen Zs will be like,
- 36:37come round on a Saturday morning and like their fun activity for the weekend is having toast
- 36:42together with really expensive butter. I think it's more because everything has got so expensive,
- 36:48right? And spending money on clothes, for example, is just not as, I guess, sorry, actually.
- 36:54No, no, no, no, even on that, I heard a stat there the day three out of five Americans are
- 36:59opting to rent their wardrobes now rather buying them. Yeah. And I think overseas,
- 37:03overseas holidays have got super expensive. So it's like, Emily and I would talk about this
- 37:07yesterday, she's still paying for a trip four months ago and like crying in the corner about it,
- 37:12because she's like, it was so expensive. And I was in such a budget, I'm like, yes, six weeks
- 37:16on holiday is enormous. Like, so it's like, you know, you might opt for a type of butter.
- 37:20You know, and Steve next time. So yeah, but there's what I'm saying is like, things are getting
- 37:26so expensive. It's like, you know what, this is going to be my holiday. So that sounds really
- 37:32good. But yeah, I know I'm being negative and antsy here. I'm definitely, I know you're right.
- 37:36I'm just like, it's, it's quite weird. I guess, I guess where I was kind of going with this is like,
- 37:41I had a point. This has been really impactful for people who live in countries that export
- 37:49dairy products. Okay. New Zealand. Yes. Here we go. Yeah. We are so known for agricultural something
- 37:56or rather Emily. And she's looking at me like, what forces cows? We have lots of sheep.
- 38:01Our biggest export is dairy. Thank you. That's what I was talking about. And so that's like milk,
- 38:06you'll get butter. And when there is such high demand overseas and the prices have gone up and
- 38:13up and up because of such high demand, the locals, why if I was a company in New Zealand,
- 38:20producing butter would I sell to the local market when I can get time. No, no. Yeah. No, not
- 38:27good. No. So this is what's happening in New Zealand in Norway is another country. So
- 38:32we're all so greedy. I know. It's kind of just like, I mean, sometimes I just want to go into
- 38:37like a world where we all just get paid the same and it's just like, you know, I feel like money
- 38:42causes so many issues. Papalism is so problematic in so many ways. I would like to do a quick
- 38:49collisial plug. So this is my phone. I know last week you guys spoke at the Maddie
- 38:53Borg episode was meant to go out and then I got shifted long story. Basically, that is now coming
- 38:58up this week. So on Thursday, last week's episode actually was the soul of money. Do you remember
- 39:03we recorded that and loved that episode? If you haven't listened already, it was a deep dive on.
- 39:08We did the psychology of money like, it's almost like a financial book club episode. So if you
- 39:12haven't listened, I found that really inspiring actually. So yeah, we'll link that in the
- 39:17poker show notes as just come out. But the Maddie Borg episode, she's Ginzi. She's this amazing
- 39:24content creator, but also has a business called Pestel. Anyway, she spoke a lot about this whole
- 39:29like little luxuries thing blah, blah, blah. So I think it will make more sense once you've
- 39:33listened to that episode. Yes. Lastly, we've got the London Stock Exchange. So a stock exchange,
- 39:38let's give me a minute here. Okay. A stock exchange, whether it's the New York Stock Exchange,
- 39:44London Stock Exchange, the London Stock Exchange. That is a place where public companies list
- 39:51their shares or investors, you can buy until she is on the stock exchange. But the stock exchanges
- 39:56are companies themselves. So they can actually, this was confused by so much in the beginning.
- 40:01They can actually also, I can't believe face. I can just see you squinting in the corner like,
- 40:06what? The stock exchanges are companies themselves so they can list on the stock exchange.
- 40:11I'm going to try this, break it down because this really blew my mind. So it would be like,
- 40:16so we imagine the stock exchange or any stock exchange like a farmer's market, right?
- 40:21The farmer's market has heaps of different stalls. So there might be a cheese stall and they're selling
- 40:26cheeses. You imagine a company is that stall, the cheeses they're selling are the shares. It would
- 40:33almost be like, maybe, okay, go for that. It would like be the owner of the market being like,
- 40:41I'm actually going to my own cheese stall because I want to be a part of this. I want to expand and I
- 40:46need money to expand my market and have more stalls. I am going to sell something and sell something
- 40:54to get money to then, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's almost like, yeah, yeah, because companies have to pay
- 41:02to be listed on a stock exchange, right? So the stock exchange, that's their business model,
- 41:06is companies coming trying to list there. It's the same as a market. You have to pay to have your
- 41:11stall at the market, right? It's thinking about the layer on top of that is also a business and you
- 41:17can buy shares in that business. But basically, the point here is essentially what you're trying to
- 41:22say is the London Stock Exchange has, however many companies listed on it, I should have no idea.
- 41:27It has just dropped out of the top 20 stock exchanges in the world. Oh, God, that's so good.
- 41:32Been overtaken by Mexican Singapore. Yes. The biggest is actually the New York Stock Exchange,
- 41:39which makes sense. It's taken over London. It's share prices fall in about 23% this year.
- 41:46It's terrible. And that's mainly due to two reasons. It's all about supply and demand, right?
- 41:52If you don't have the ripus fruit to sell at your market, people are going to go elsewhere.
- 41:59And the UK doesn't have exciting tech companies or AI companies. It's got pharmaceuticals,
- 42:06it's got oil and gas. It doesn't have the exciting things that people are wanting to invest in
- 42:11right now. So it hasn't got people trading on it and using the exchange.
- 42:18Like quite dire those. Yeah. And then also that speeds into, well, if I'm a new company,
- 42:25do I want to go to the party where no one is attending? Absolutely not. Yeah, no, I want to go to
- 42:30the exciting party. And so it kind of fuels this like, it's like very strong setting empty.
- 42:35You're like, oh, that's terrifying. It's got to the bus. And then it's like, then you don't get
- 42:42money in, then you can't stay open. You can't get good staff to make good foods and then you can't
- 42:47stay open. So it's like this whole year. So this is why IPOs. So when a company first lists on
- 42:52the stock exchange, it's so important stock exchanges, because not only do you get a huge
- 42:56fee upfront, but it's exciting. And this is why there's been such big fights over like
- 43:02high profile companies like, where they list or where they lose or clear, you know, those
- 43:07get we can for example, when it IPOs like, it is going to have the exchanges in the palm of
- 43:12its hand. You know, it's going to be like, who wants me? Who's going to give me the best deal?
- 43:17Who's going to? Yeah. So. And then everyone's pitching. It's almost like an eight creative agency
- 43:21trying to get like, I don't know, some brand on board. It's like, well, this is what we're proposing.
- 43:26We can do this and we'll drop this rate and we'll make sure that you can do this and then they
- 43:29just get the pick of the litter. Yeah. Anyway, when a share price is down so much like the London
- 43:36Stock Exchange, like the Stock Exchange, the shark, the shark and they come and they come and they come
- 43:44Trump and Euronex, which is one of Europe's biggest exchanges has started to circle. Oh my God,
- 43:51it might want to swallow it up. And the CEOs come out, the CEO of the London Stock Exchange has come
- 43:55out and said, we're not for sale, but like, all right, darling. Yeah, I know. It's like, you kind of
- 44:02yeah, it's like, if there could be a hostile takeover, they could like start buying shares
- 44:06under the radar and then just like pop up with 20% and be like, you know what, and then shareholders
- 44:10because it could get effed off and be like, I have sick of the London Stock Exchange performance,
- 44:15I'm going to sell my share. Yeah, it's what would happen if someone bought the whole exchange?
- 44:20Does that mean every company that's listed on the lock exchange on the London Stock Exchange would
- 44:27then now be listed on like the Mexico Stock Exchange if they bought it? No, it just means they
- 44:31own it. So it's still be listed on the UK Stock Exchange, but the money that the London Stock Exchange
- 44:37makes stays in the UK, right? Whereas like, if someone, if an international owner buys it,
- 44:43then any money that's made by that business goes back to where that company is. So it's essentially
- 44:49draining the UK of potentially more resources. It's also just perceptionally,
- 44:54that it was perceptive. It was also the perception. Optically,
- 44:59having your national exchange owned by another country, especially when you're London and you're
- 45:08supposed to be like one of the financial hubs of the world. It's just, yeah, it's just like a,
- 45:14you know, not good. Yeah, not good. So but this is the reason why share prices, if you're
- 45:19invested in a company and the share price doesn't continue to dwell, if you're leading a company
- 45:22and your share price doesn't keep generating a good return for investors, you know, you,
- 45:27you do open yourself up to other situations happening. Not good. I'd also just like to say,
- 45:33I think we explained that very well. It's quite a complicated situation. Why hope so? Well,
- 45:39probably listen, go and didn't follow a word. But there's also so many other things that have been
- 45:46happening in the world right now. It does make me think we almost maybe need to look at putting
- 45:50some of this stuff in the invest in club. Like there's, so you've probably already spoken about
- 45:55it. But I think that it's also just a good reminder, if this sort of stuff really interests you,
- 45:59like what's going on in the world, what's happening with companies, blah, blah, blah, the
- 46:03invest in club always gets the information and kind of like, I want to say hot off the price,
- 46:08but I know I'm going to sound like a 90 year old, because there is so much interesting stuff that
- 46:12happens in the economy in the business money world. And we always go on tangents on this podcast.
- 46:17Don't say it like it's a bad thing. No, no, no, no, it's a good thing.
- 46:20Love hearing about your lime escapes. My toes still hurts. Actually, still hurts.
- 46:25Um, okay, well, thanks so much for being here for the curve weekly, everyone.
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