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Will your revalidation refresher flight turn into a test? · Flyer Magazine

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SPEAKER_05: Welcome to the fire show! Hello and welcome to this week's fire show from a bright and sunny Watch Week.
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SPEAKER_05: My name's Ian Seeger.
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SPEAKER_05: So in today in this week's show, there you go, nearly got it right.
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SPEAKER_05: I must admit, I'm not a big user of the pilot log, mainly because I yeah, looking at pictures is easier than words.
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SPEAKER_05: But when you look at some of the the features of it and the power that it's got, it's actually quite useful.
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SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_04: Um for for for those of us wedded well to to those people who are wedded to a plog.
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SPEAKER_05: It's a yeah.
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SPEAKER_05: It's it's your Now I did have some little dinosaurs that I was going to put around just randomly when we spoke about stuff like this.
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SPEAKER_05: Um but I'm not sure what they are.
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SPEAKER_05: So there you go.
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SPEAKER_01: I can't imagine using an electronic plug while I'm while flying.
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SPEAKER_01: No.
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SPEAKER_01: I'd I'd have to have writ written down on a on a knee board.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_05: Sorry.
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SPEAKER_05: Sorry.
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SPEAKER_05: On a what on a what board?
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SPEAKER_01: A knee board.
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SPEAKER_05: Well is that with the gospel tube as well?
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SPEAKER_04: Hang on, I'll get my sexton date.
2:48
SPEAKER_04: Right.
2:48
SPEAKER_04: Um I wonder what the weather's gonna be.
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SPEAKER_04: It's uh it's just I walked outside earlier and it was sunny.
2:53
SPEAKER_04: Maybe this is a maybe this is a trend.
2:56
SPEAKER_00: Good evening, everyone.
2:58
SPEAKER_00: Well, I don't know about you, but I've noticed this week that the evening seems to be getting a little bit lighter.
3:03
SPEAKER_00: Yes, the weather's not great, but there are those kind of hints that spring is just around the corner.
3:10
SPEAKER_00: Unfortunately, this weekend looks like it's still going to be pretty mixed.
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SPEAKER_00: This is the forecast chart for Friday, low pressure centred off uh southwest England.
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SPEAKER_00: We've got a front that's bringing rain into uh Northern Ireland, another front that brings rain into southern parts of Scotland and northern parts of England, but you just see in between those areas actually age drier, we'll get some broken cloud, typical bases around about 3,000 feet, tops at about 10,000 feet.
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SPEAKER_00: Northern Scotland may fare a little bit better as well, but in these rain areas we generally non-VFR, a thousand to two thousand foot bases, tops probably up at about twelve thousand feet.
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SPEAKER_00: But if you're between those fronts, which are relatively slow moving, then actually you're probably okay.
3:54
SPEAKER_00: That low pressure down towards the southwest moves northeastwards through Wales or through the Midlands into northern England during Saturday morning, taking rain with it.
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SPEAKER_00: I think for eastern Scotland, much of northeastern England running down through into parts of East Anglia, perhaps onto the southern coast of England, this area on Saturday, generally non-VFR.
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SPEAKER_00: Um, I think we're going to be finding basically a thousand feet, maybe up to two thousand in places and tops at about ten thousand feet.
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SPEAKER_00: Some embedded large cumulus in there as well, and visibility reduced because of the easterly wind coming onto the eastern coast.
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SPEAKER_00: Now, further west, actually, it's looking okay.
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SPEAKER_00: We could get though a few heavy showers getting onto western coast, making for marginal conditions here, but typically two to four thousand foot bases, tops are about 12 to 15,000 feet.
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SPEAKER_00: And between the showers actually from the west, things do improve during uh Saturday.
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SPEAKER_00: Now, Sunday at the moment looks to be the pick of the weekend.
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SPEAKER_00: Still residual rain, eastern Scotland, central southern parts of Scotland, running into western Scotland, and quite a narrow band here of non-verfar conditions.
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SPEAKER_00: One front moving through Ireland, bringing a low cloud to western and southern coast of Ireland, non-VFR here, but you see this little ridge, that kink in the ice bars, that's higher pressure.
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SPEAKER_00: For many of us, that builds in and brings a better day.
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SPEAKER_00: So actually, Sunday for much of England and Wales, perhaps the far north of Scotland, not too bad.
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SPEAKER_00: Three to four thousand foot bases tops at about eight to ten thousand feet.
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SPEAKER_00: You just need to keep a careful eye on that forecast for Sunday for any changes.
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SPEAKER_00: And just to reiterate that Sunday's the better day, this is the forecast of U T for Manchester for midday on uh sorry for Sunday evening.
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SPEAKER_00: And it clearly shows here that pressure wants to build, we've got a more stable atmosphere, and it's also highlighting that actually we're probably finding some well-broken scattered cloud going into Sunday afternoon.
5:58
SPEAKER_00: Now, if you want to know more about SQTs, then uh you can take my pilot's guide to SKUT course.
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SPEAKER_00: And you'll heard me say in the past that these are the things I'd really teach as a fundamental to pilots.
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SPEAKER_00: And uh you'll soon be predicting for absolutely any location uh in the world.
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SPEAKER_00: You can do cloud bases, cloud tops, you can do winds at different levels, know whether it's gonna rain, mist, fog, they contain so much information.
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SPEAKER_00: So go and have a look at that course now.
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SPEAKER_00: Um, I'm also uh running uh an aviation weather school part one online course now.
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SPEAKER_00: But um, if you want me to tell you when the next live online courses or classroom courses are announced, just send me an email and I'll let you know straight away.
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SPEAKER_00: Okay, um pop me over and email using the contact form.
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SPEAKER_00: And as soon as those dates are announced, we will let you know.
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SPEAKER_00: So a couple of things there for you.
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SPEAKER_00: Get your knowledge of weather really going.
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SPEAKER_00: Okay, I'll leave you with that for now.
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SPEAKER_00: Whatever you do, have a great, have a safe, flying weekend.
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SPEAKER_00: Thanks again for watching, and uh, I'll see you soon.
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SPEAKER_00: See you next week, guys.
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SPEAKER_00: Bye bye.
7:24
SPEAKER_05: Well, so you you're gonna miss all of this anyway, aren't you?
7:27
SPEAKER_05: You're away next week.
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SPEAKER_05: Yeah, next week I've got a choice of um snow or rain.
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SPEAKER_01: Excellent.
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SPEAKER_05: Very good.
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SPEAKER_05: Yeah, can't wait.
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SPEAKER_05: Can't wait.
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SPEAKER_05: Right, shall we get to the news?
7:37
SPEAKER_05: Yes.
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SPEAKER_05: Okay, news.
7:38
SPEAKER_05: Uh first bit of news, this goes to a story that that first broke in 2023.
7:42
SPEAKER_05: Tayside, um, uh a flight training school that had been in business for about 50 years, kind of suddenly closed uh in 2023, April, I think it was, and they're the it's in the news now because basically the the administrators are finally winding it up and uh it will be struck off.
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SPEAKER_05: Well, I'll be struck off, it will be closed to be history within about three months.
8:04
SPEAKER_05: Um the the students when it closed discovered that their funds were unsecured.
8:09
SPEAKER_05: Most people's most student schools will be unsecured, students' funds will be unsecured.
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SPEAKER_05: And they received after the I mean the administrator managed to get just over six hundred thousand pounds uh in terms you know from selling the aircraft and everything else.
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SPEAKER_05: Right.
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SPEAKER_05: Um there was something 2.8 million quids worth of debt in the debt.
8:27
SPEAKER_05: And a large portion of that was student student debt.
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SPEAKER_05: The students on their unsecured funds received 0.8 of a penny on the pound.
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SPEAKER_05: So that's a tiny, tiny, tiny amount.
8:40
SPEAKER_05: And I remember there was some videos and stuff going around at the time of some pretty tragic stories from the from the students talk talking about that.
8:48
SPEAKER_05: Um so uh we've said it before, we'll say it again.
8:50
SPEAKER_05: Do your research, don't pay large amounts of money up front, think about paying with a credit card to give you some consumer debt protection.
8:58
SPEAKER_05: Um there's plenty of information around all over the place.
9:01
SPEAKER_05: You just need to the information's there, you need to go look for it and and take notice of it.
9:05
SPEAKER_04: But that's I mean, that is just a uh for those students, that is a that's a real tragedy, isn't it?
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SPEAKER_04: Because it's like you imagine you're starting out your dream career, but it comes with a huge price tag, and then all of a sudden you've lost that money.
9:17
SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
9:17
SPEAKER_05: I mean and there were some stories of people who are going, well, that was it, that was my one shot, I'm one and done.
9:22
SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
9:23
SPEAKER_05: Uh and there are other people who, you know, fortunately were in a more fortunate position to find some more money.
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SPEAKER_05: That's a big loss.
9:30
SPEAKER_01: It is a big loss.
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SPEAKER_01: But Tayside, they talk more modular, didn't they?
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SPEAKER_01: So they you'd probably be paying in chunks rather than the whole thing up front.
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SPEAKER_05: There were still some people with some significant debt.
9:40
SPEAKER_05: I remember there was one video I watched um and obviously I didn't check the check the guy's accounts to make sure it was true, but he was talking about I think 60, 60,000 pounds worth a day.
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SPEAKER_05: Which is a bit a personal loss.
9:51
SPEAKER_04: That's enormous, isn't it?
9:52
SPEAKER_05: It is.
9:52
SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_05: Yeah, and and and fortunately, if that's the right word, you know, a lot of the students were quite young.
10:00
SPEAKER_05: And sixty grand hit when you're is is awful, but you've got time in the rest of your life to recover from it.
10:04
SPEAKER_05: Sixty grand hit when you're older.
10:07
SPEAKER_05: Older.
10:08
SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
10:08
SPEAKER_05: Is is a bit harder.
10:09
SPEAKER_05: So yeah, very sad.
10:10
SPEAKER_05: That also kind of the whole story broke down in there was quite a lot of court cases uh between the the the previous owner and the new owner.
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SPEAKER_05: It was the new owner that went that went bust.
10:19
SPEAKER_05: Um and also there was the the chief engineer who who was prosecuted separately for for forging some documents.
10:27
SPEAKER_05: Um and I think just to read the just to read the story from Flyer to make sure I got this exactly right so we don't end up in front of a judge ourselves.
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SPEAKER_05: Last year the Aviation Academy's former leader engineer Stuart McPherson admitted making bogus log book entries.
10:40
SPEAKER_05: McPherson 67.
10:42
SPEAKER_05: Why don't we always give an age like that?
10:44
SPEAKER_05: It's court reporting.
10:45
SPEAKER_05: It's court reporting.
10:46
SPEAKER_05: There you go.
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SPEAKER_05: 67.
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SPEAKER_05: Pleaded guilty to entering incorrect readings into logbooks and forging certificates of airworthiness between October 2021 and May 2022 at Tayside Aviation.
10:55
SPEAKER_05: McPherson told Dundee Sheriff's Court he had felt under pressure from bosses.
10:59
SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
11:00
SPEAKER_05: Um that's a I think that's as much as we can say on that.
11:04
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
11:04
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
11:05
SPEAKER_05: Right, I think in that case.
11:06
SPEAKER_05: No winners.
11:07
SPEAKER_05: No winners.
11:08
SPEAKER_05: No winners.
11:08
SPEAKER_05: Dave.
11:09
SPEAKER_01: Yep.
11:09
SPEAKER_01: Well, I don't know whether to shout this from the ramparts or whisper it from the crypt, but Mooney aircraft have been thrown a lifeline.
11:16
SPEAKER_01: Wow.
11:17
SPEAKER_01: Another one.
11:18
SPEAKER_01: And uh this time it's uh a maintenance company called Lasar, uh, which are based in Oregon.
11:23
SPEAKER_01: And they uh they've been a big Mooney uh supplier and a dealer for a long time.
11:29
SPEAKER_01: Um anyway, they um they've come on, they've they've confirmed they're funding and coordinating a wide-ranging rebuild of Mooney's parts operation.
11:37
SPEAKER_01: The factories in Texas, uh these these guys are in Oregon, but you know, the states it's all about aeroplanes, they can get anywhere quickly, can't they?
11:45
SPEAKER_01: Yep, that's fine.
11:46
SPEAKER_01: It follows years of disruption to the supply chain and there's quite a lot of aircraft grounded with you know missing components, stuff you can't get.
11:54
SPEAKER_01: Uh so under the current structure, uh legal structure, Mooney retains the type certificate.
11:59
SPEAKER_01: So the factory is a separate entity, uh, and it's responsible for manufacturing certified parts.
12:06
SPEAKER_01: Lazar continues as a primary distributor, but it's it has already taken on the arduous task of uh revalidating drawings and specs, rebuilding tooling, uh re-engaging suppliers and capturing what it calls institutional knowledge from uh long-serving Mooney staff.
12:25
SPEAKER_01: Um so that's that's it's that in itself is a worthwhile thing.
12:30
SPEAKER_01: Um and they've also set up a third, a third entity, as they call it, Lasar Aviation, which provides what they call the plumbing of the operation, finance, purchasing, all the backroom stuff, the IT stuff.
12:41
SPEAKER_01: So leaving the factory to get on with making, leaving Lazar to get on with distributing and and so it's it sounds like it's a well a well thought-through thing.
12:50
SPEAKER_05: Good news for good news for Mooney owners.
12:52
SPEAKER_05: Yes, good.
12:52
SPEAKER_05: There will be some parts that are a bit unobtaining at the moment, I guess.
12:55
SPEAKER_04: I would think so.
12:56
SPEAKER_04: I mean, I wasn't really aware of uh I know I they'd vanished at Oshkosh, hadn't they?
13:00
SPEAKER_04: Mooney as a as a as a as a vendor kind of on display, they just vanished from appearing.
13:07
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
13:08
SPEAKER_04: Um but I wasn't aware that Mooney owners were having problems with parts, but I guess they were.
13:12
SPEAKER_05: I think it's not so much some of the mechanical parts, it was some of the slightly stranger airframe parts and things like that.
13:19
SPEAKER_01: Um things that are specific to Mooney, I guess.
13:22
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, probably things like ordinary things like engine parts and stuff like that.
13:26
SPEAKER_01: Easy.
13:27
SPEAKER_01: Easy.
13:27
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
13:28
SPEAKER_05: Easy.
13:28
SPEAKER_05: Engine parts are easy these days.
13:30
SPEAKER_05: Oh no, even that is difficult enough.
13:32
SPEAKER_01: So um Yeah, the the boss of the company, Brett Stokes, is the boss of Laser, said uh we believe it will strengthen resale values, provide long-term support for future owners, and keep Mooney aircraft competitive in the market for years to come.
13:45
SPEAKER_05: So do we think do we think that if all goes well, do we think that at some stage someone's gonna go, it's not that much of a step to start manufacturing again?
13:54
SPEAKER_05: Or or not.
13:54
SPEAKER_05: Is that they passed?
13:56
SPEAKER_01: These guys have stepped well away from that say in saying anything like that.
14:00
SPEAKER_05: When anyone said anything, there was this dust trail with everyone running in the opposite direction.
14:05
SPEAKER_04: I I I don't I I take a personal guess and say the days of seeing a of ever seeing a new Mooney now may be vanishing in the distance.
14:14
SPEAKER_04: I think you're completely right.
14:16
SPEAKER_04: Sad, because they were they were a a a core part of GA in the 60s, 70s.
14:22
SPEAKER_05: I think you know some of the earlier stuff got you kind of relatively low-cost aircraft that were really efficient and quite quick.
14:28
SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
14:29
SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
14:30
SPEAKER_05: Hello, someone Welcome to the hammer drill of the the flyer recording.
14:36
SPEAKER_01: Have you ever flown a Mooney?
14:37
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
14:37
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I've flown one.
14:38
SPEAKER_01: It's uh it really it really feels tight, don't you?
14:42
SPEAKER_01: Really you're part of it.
14:43
SPEAKER_05: So I flew one Well, you mean the cabin is small?
14:46
SPEAKER_05: Yes, it's small, yes.
14:47
SPEAKER_05: I f I flew one when they were in production, I flew one of the new ones from Biggin Hill over to Paris and back for a day with with with the demo pilot from Mooney.
14:54
SPEAKER_05: I can't remember the name of the company.
14:56
SPEAKER_05: Would that have been what late nineties, maybe?
14:58
SPEAKER_05: No, no, it was later than 900.
14:59
SPEAKER_05: 2000?
15:00
SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
15:01
SPEAKER_05: Okay.
15:01
SPEAKER_05: They were the No it might have even been I'll I'll have to look it up.
15:05
SPEAKER_05: I can't remember when they could have takes.
15:06
SPEAKER_05: But you kind of have to sit in.
15:09
SPEAKER_05: Kind of almost put your arm around someone on the back of the seat, as it were.
15:13
SPEAKER_05: So it was, yeah, no, it was interesting.
15:15
SPEAKER_05: And in sad news, uh, we've heard that AeroTech maintenance company at Coventry that was started in 1998, I believe.
15:23
SPEAKER_05: 1997, sorry, correction, um, will be closing its doors on the 31st of March.
15:27
SPEAKER_05: This is a kind of planned closure, they haven't sort of suddenly gone out of business or anything like that.
15:31
SPEAKER_05: Um, but due to Coventry closing, they've they've looked around and and searched for for other opportunities and other places to go, but with with the cost of the movie and everything else, it was just not justifiable.
15:41
SPEAKER_05: We will have an interview coming up soon with Steve Clark from AeroTech, who'll who'll bring us up to date on the AeroTech story and and the reasons behind it, really, which are kind of you know, it's sad that AeroTech are going, but it's equally sad that the place where they operate from is going, which is really the root cause of this, I suspect.
15:58
SPEAKER_05: But we'll get that from the from the horse's mouth, uh, Steve at AeroTech.
16:02
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
16:03
SPEAKER_01: Just uh slightly better news.
16:05
SPEAKER_01: Um there's a petition that went before uh this petition, government petition.
16:10
SPEAKER_04: Online petition.
16:11
SPEAKER_04: Online petition.
16:13
SPEAKER_01: That's the one I was gonna.
16:14
SPEAKER_01: It was created by Sarah Deakin, who was a campaigner behind Tollerton Airport and uh also known as Notts City Airport.
16:20
SPEAKER_01: Anyways, this this uh petition was to require a public consultation be before closing an airfield or an aerodrome.
16:28
SPEAKER_01: And it's now got over 10,000 signatures, which means that uh the government has to make a response.
16:35
SPEAKER_01: Good.
16:35
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it is.
16:36
SPEAKER_04: Um, I'm sure that will be a benign response.
16:39
SPEAKER_04: Oh, it'd be probably um and some sad news to close with, um, and that's that uh Malcolm McBride, former head of airworthiness, um continuing airworthiness at the Light Aircraft Association, has died.
16:52
SPEAKER_04: Um Malcolm joined the Light Aircraft Association in September 20 th uh 2007, uh, and he worked there for over 13 years.
17:00
SPEAKER_04: He was well known as uh the writer of the uh the safety spot articles in uh Light Aviation Magazine, the LAA's own in-house magazine.
17:09
SPEAKER_04: But a lot of people probably don't realize that Malcolm was a real pioneering figure in British microlighting in the 1980s.
17:18
SPEAKER_04: No.
17:19
SPEAKER_04: Um so Malcolm ran a company called Aerotech, weirdly.
17:22
SPEAKER_04: No confusion with the yeah, yeah.
17:25
SPEAKER_04: Um but he ran AeroTech building MW5 microlites at Hinton um airfield.
17:31
SPEAKER_04: And at Aerotech, uh Malcolm employed a young Paul Jewhurst who would go on to great things at flylight microlite.
17:40
SPEAKER_04: Paul, posting on Facebook, said uh Malcolm was was my boss in my first uh flying job.
17:46
SPEAKER_04: He was a ball of energy and he provided much of the inspiration for flylight activities.
17:52
SPEAKER_04: Um but also um in 1986 a British expedition uh uh uh took two trikes uh flown by Simon Baker and David Young, famous, uh famous names in uh microliting, uh, to Nepal to make the highest possible landing of uh any aircraft and support some kayakers that were exploring a deep gorge uh that had never been navigated before.
18:14
SPEAKER_04: David had a serious crash and was hurt, and Malcolm gathered all his stuff to and flew out to re to build or rebuild uh one of the microlights uh from the crash machine and the spares they'd taken out there.
18:28
SPEAKER_04: Uh Malcolm crashed, taking off from Lookla, which is 9,500 feet altitude, um, repaired the aeroplane again, and then he and Baker flew on to support the kayakers on the final part of their um their journey.
18:44
SPEAKER_04: Um Malcolm also won the uh three-axis part of the uh 1991 Round Britain Microlight Rally, which was a year famous for terrible weather.
18:54
SPEAKER_04: And um yeah, is just uh uh a figure whose microlyhting contributions might have been forgotten over and above his um his his LAA stuff.
19:04
SPEAKER_05: I knew him through the the magazine, but I didn't know him through his microlight stuff.
19:10
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, and later after he retired, he was around to Western a lot.
19:13
SPEAKER_04: He um the the guys who rebuilt the prototype Beagle Pup 100, he flew that a bit.
19:18
SPEAKER_04: So um he'll definitely be a figure who will really be missed.
19:21
SPEAKER_04: Absolutely.
19:21
SPEAKER_04: Absolutely, yeah.
19:25
SPEAKER_05: Okay, so club news.
19:26
SPEAKER_05: Club news.
19:27
SPEAKER_05: So if you are a member, listen up.
19:28
SPEAKER_05: If you're not a member, listen up even more because we'd like you to join.
19:31
SPEAKER_05: So club news, let's give a quiz here.
19:33
SPEAKER_05: Yes.
19:33
SPEAKER_05: Well, first of all, January's not over and the weather's lovely.
19:38
SPEAKER_04: Oh, so still in January, if you're motivated, uh you can land at Redford Gamston, Edsfield, Longside, and Perth.
19:46
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19:46
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19:50
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19:51
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19:57
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20:09
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20:13
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20:15
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20:30
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20:32
SPEAKER_01: Yep, yep.
20:33
SPEAKER_01: On Tuesday evening, uh we had uh the latest in the series of Flyer Club webinars with Ed Bellamy from the CEA, and we're talking about uh the changes that were made to PPL licensing last October.
20:44
SPEAKER_01: Also, we had a quick talk about uh the the wave two changes, which uh came up in the news this week because the CEA has just issued the uh the consultation report from the consultation on the wave.
20:57
SPEAKER_05: Comment response document.
20:58
SPEAKER_05: That's it, yeah, yeah.
21:00
SPEAKER_05: So um consultation response document.
21:02
SPEAKER_01: Yep.
21:03
SPEAKER_01: So we you need to watch some seminar for the full story.
21:06
SPEAKER_01: Um uh but here are top three plus one takeaways.
21:11
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
21:11
SPEAKER_01: Right.
21:12
SPEAKER_01: The first one, which uh I've picked up, this is from the Wave 2 proposals.
21:16
SPEAKER_01: Microlite flight time um is to count towards commercial pilot license hours.
21:22
SPEAKER_01: Um it's this part of wave two, it builds upon the changes made last October where flight time in a three-axis microlite has to be talking about three-axis microlites only, uh, counts towards the PPL.
21:34
SPEAKER_01: So for someone who's on a say a modular uh commercial pilots course license course, it makes sense for that um if you can if because the PPL is the first part, it makes sense for those hours in a micro light to be counted.
21:48
SPEAKER_01: It's not actually law yet.
21:50
SPEAKER_01: Uh it's going to be put forward to the DFT, which Ed was at pains to point out it's the DFT who actually writes the law.
21:58
SPEAKER_01: Uh the CA simply makes recommendations.
22:01
SPEAKER_01: But it should it should be coming up fairly soon.
22:03
SPEAKER_05: Yeah, so I'm guessing for the hour building part of it, that should also be possible there.
22:07
SPEAKER_05: We don't yet know uh exactly how much of it's going to be possible, whether it's all of it or or whatever.
22:12
SPEAKER_05: We'll guess we'll find out uh in in full fullness of time.
22:15
SPEAKER_05: But that is really good news.
22:16
SPEAKER_05: I think for and it's logical.
22:18
SPEAKER_01: Yes, it is logical, yeah.
22:20
SPEAKER_05: If you can hear that buzzing, there's a guy outside with a chainsaw digging a new drain or something.
22:26
SPEAKER_05: Um we have to plow one.
22:27
SPEAKER_05: I'm awfully sorry.
22:28
SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
22:30
SPEAKER_04: Uh there was also uh there's also questions over the appropri the appropriate standard of flying during the uh instructor hour.
22:38
SPEAKER_04: So um the CIA have clarified that um yes, there must be an appropriate standard of flying display during that one hour of refresher training that pilots must do every two years.
22:49
SPEAKER_04: Um Yeah, uh so in the consultation uh document there was a question that said, Do you support the requirements um that an appropriate standard of flying must be displayed during training?
23:00
SPEAKER_04: 477 people responded, 85% of those agreed.
23:04
SPEAKER_04: Um key comments um were it's like, I think the content of the flight should be at the preference of the license holder.
23:11
SPEAKER_04: Um you may want to practice um crosswind landings or stalls.
23:15
SPEAKER_04: Uh someone said the CA should provide the equivalent of an acceptable means of compliance to define an ex what is an appropriate standard of flying.
23:24
SPEAKER_04: Uh, you don't want any debate between license holder uh undergoing the refresher training and the CFI, uh C R I FI examiner.
23:33
SPEAKER_04: Um someone said, absolutely too many older pilots at my airfield doing reval through experience with a sympathetic instructor, and the standard is super low.
23:42
SPEAKER_04: So um and hopefully, it's you know, this will this will raise things up a little bit.
23:48
SPEAKER_04: The CA said it's not the intention to turn the refresher training session into a biennial test.
23:53
SPEAKER_04: No.
23:54
SPEAKER_04: Um and uh instructors and pilots will retain discretion as to the exact content of that instructor hour flight.
24:02
SPEAKER_04: Uh, key point being instructors should observe a standard of flying consumer with the privileges of their rating.
24:09
SPEAKER_05: So I think the the in in that one, the devil's gonna be in the detail.
24:13
SPEAKER_05: I look forward to see the uh the AMC and the guidance material that which I think is being consult consulted on later on this year.
24:20
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, they they've said uh we'll progress with amendments to the refresher training flight to ensure a appropriate standard of uh flying is displayed.
24:27
SPEAKER_04: Uh plus they're gonna review further the acceptable means of compliance guidance material later in 2026.
24:36
SPEAKER_01: Possible controversial question.
24:37
SPEAKER_01: Is there anything wrong with making a test?
24:39
SPEAKER_01: I mean in the States, the FAA uh biennial test is a flight is a test?
24:46
SPEAKER_05: It's not really a test.
24:47
SPEAKER_05: I mean it's not a test in as much as it's needed to be done by an examiner uh the in the in the States.
24:53
SPEAKER_05: The the instructor has to be happy with the quality of your flying, otherwise he or she won't sign off on the logbook.
25:00
SPEAKER_05: So it's not like whereas in the UK, like you need to try that hour and the the instructor is signing off that you have flown that hour.
25:08
SPEAKER_05: Yes.
25:10
SPEAKER_04: Um and so I mean test test the word test implies pass or fail, doesn't it?
25:15
SPEAKER_04: And I think that's that that that people who are all have already who have that who've trained for that rating and have that rating and and feel they fly competently, you know, the idea of being pass and fail again makes people worried.
25:28
SPEAKER_04: Makes people nervous.
25:28
SPEAKER_05: I mean there's a thing, isn't there?
25:30
SPEAKER_05: A lot of people are resistant to further instruction and things like that.
25:34
SPEAKER_04: And yeah, true.
25:36
SPEAKER_04: I mean I I personally I enjoy the opportunity to fly with someone different and and ha and have some and and I always find useful contributions to things I do.
25:48
SPEAKER_04: It's always good to have a second pair of just a different view on it, really.
25:52
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
25:52
SPEAKER_01: I mean I've taken the licensed proficiency check flight, which is a test um with an examiner a couple of times.
25:58
SPEAKER_01: And actually, uh it is quite good discipline because you you have to plan the flight properly, you have to put in a diversion, they do run through stalls and things like that, uh, make you do a variety of landings.
26:09
SPEAKER_01: It is basically a short version of the uh of the general flight test, uh skill test, as it's known these days.
26:16
SPEAKER_04: But yeah, I th I think uh a proficiency check is m is kind of a better fit though, ongoing.
26:23
SPEAKER_05: I mean, I think you know, I don't I in reality I don't know how many people get to the point where the the instructor's sitting there and thinking you are really, really dangerous.
26:34
SPEAKER_05: There would be a sensible conversation, you would hope, in that person.
26:38
SPEAKER_05: I'm sure, yeah.
26:40
SPEAKER_05: Yeah, unfortunately, not something that I've ever experienced a situation.
26:46
SPEAKER_05: Um okay, moving on.
26:47
SPEAKER_05: The Civil Aviation Authority uh have some plans to look at pilot medical declarations.
26:53
SPEAKER_05: You may or may not know, but an instructor at the moment can teach uh in single engine piston or touring motor glider with a pilot medical declaration, both in part 21 and non-part 21 aircraft.
27:05
SPEAKER_05: And there has been a large and growing number of instructors who are doing this.
27:09
SPEAKER_05: The same goes for CRIs are doing doing the hour, the instructor hour, etc.
27:14
SPEAKER_05: Um this is kind of the growth has really been generated actually by the C another department of the CA, the medical department, who they won't say that they've been insisting because they they haven't been insisting, but they've been insisting um that AMEs run the Q risk test on people, and if people get a high enough score, they send them for a stress ECG.
27:35
SPEAKER_05: This has meant that a whole load of older pilots, because age is quite a high proportion of the Q risk score, um, get to go and do a stress ECG, which you know is is not a particularly pleasant experience and cost money, yeah.
27:48
SPEAKER_05: Um and you don't know whether it's you're gonna have to do it regularly, etc.
27:52
SPEAKER_05: etc.
27:52
SPEAKER_05: etc.
27:52
SPEAKER_05: And a lot of people are going, well, that I'm gonna do a PMD.
27:56
SPEAKER_05: And the CEO goes, whoa, we're not quite sure about that.
27:58
SPEAKER_05: And so if you look on their website, it said, you know, you if you want to apply for a an A licence, uh you can, but beware that this may change in the future.
28:08
SPEAKER_05: I think it is no big secret that it's their intention to change it.
28:11
SPEAKER_05: They will be consulting on it and they will probably almost certainly ignore that consultation um and do what they want to do anyway.
28:19
SPEAKER_05: Um but I think that is a subject that's coming up in the future.
28:22
SPEAKER_05: The the work that AOPA and others are doing to say to the CA, what are you doing with your medical department non-evidence-driven stuff here is not really uh I d I don't want to say it's not making any progress, but I don't think it's making much progress.
28:37
SPEAKER_05: Or there hasn't been any change.
28:39
SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
28:39
SPEAKER_05: Uh you know, I don't want to do great the good work that may be doing done.
28:42
SPEAKER_05: It might be just around the corner, I don't know.
28:44
SPEAKER_05: But um I don't think so.
28:46
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, Ed Belling wasn't giving anything away.
28:48
SPEAKER_05: No, I bet he wasn't.
28:49
SPEAKER_01: No, uh he just said I can't say any more about that at the moment.
28:52
SPEAKER_05: No, it's it it's a shame, and and if it happens, it will have a significant effect.
28:57
SPEAKER_05: I think the UK will lose a huge amount of uh experienced instructors who who will then just go, okay, that's me done.
29:06
SPEAKER_05: Um and I think that will be a significantly negative effect, and I don't think it will have I don't think it will make any difference to safety, frankly.
29:14
SPEAKER_05: Show show us the statistics.
29:15
SPEAKER_05: Go on then.
29:16
SPEAKER_05: Yeah, yeah.
29:17
SPEAKER_05: Show us.
29:18
unknown: Yeah.
29:18
SPEAKER_01: One good thing that it did did let out last night um on Tuesday night, was that the IMC rating is back.
29:26
SPEAKER_01: In fact, it never went away, it just got called the instrument rating restricted, which is a bit of legal ease, really.
29:32
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
29:32
SPEAKER_04: But um IMC rating makes more sense.
29:35
SPEAKER_04: It does.
29:35
SPEAKER_05: I think the IRR was a bit of a R R R IRR.
29:39
SPEAKER_05: IRR.
29:40
SPEAKER_05: The IRR for more.
29:42
SPEAKER_05: I shouldn't say that.
29:43
SPEAKER_05: Don't really upset anyone.
29:45
SPEAKER_05: Was uh kind of administrative fudge in order to be able to attach something to what was at the time an ERSA license or a part FCO license, if you like.
29:56
SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
29:56
SPEAKER_05: Um but yeah, I mean ultimately not everyone ended up calling it an IMC rating anyway, didn't they?
30:01
SPEAKER_05: Apart from the the pedant in the corner.
30:04
SPEAKER_05: I've got my just my IMC rating.
30:05
SPEAKER_05: I think your main it was the instrument rating restricted between brackets.
30:09
SPEAKER_05: But anyway, so that's good news.
30:10
SPEAKER_05: That's back.
30:11
SPEAKER_05: Yeah, there you go.
30:12
SPEAKER_03: Yep.
30:14
SPEAKER_05: Right.
30:14
SPEAKER_05: Right.
30:15
SPEAKER_05: What's next?
30:15
SPEAKER_05: Well, next is what caught our eye.
30:18
SPEAKER_05: And what did catch your eye, Dave?
30:20
SPEAKER_01: Well, I went first.
30:21
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
30:22
SPEAKER_01: Surprise.
30:22
SPEAKER_01: Well, I well, actually, it was on LinkedIn, it was announced on LinkedIn by a chap called Barry Love of Aviation Heritage UK.
30:29
SPEAKER_01: And he's he was saying, he said, his actual words were, I must be utterly balmy, because I've hitched up with his biggest aviation project yet to assist with the movement of Nimrod X V 232, which is currently at Corinth, Coventry Airport as a Gate Guardian, uh going to move it to the new RAF History Museum at Manston Airport.
30:50
SPEAKER_01: Hang on, that's a long way.
30:52
SPEAKER_01: That's a long way.
30:54
SPEAKER_01: And they were talking about t dismantling it and taking it by road, but the thought is it's complete.
31:00
SPEAKER_01: The engines were run up as recently as the 17th of January, and can they fly it there?
31:06
SPEAKER_01: Can they get one off permission as a ferry flight?
31:09
SPEAKER_01: Um there's a video, YouTube video of the engines being run up in January.
31:15
SPEAKER_01: Sounds pretty good to me.
31:17
SPEAKER_04: I y I c that can that will just be a it'll be a paperwork challenge too far, I feel.
31:24
SPEAKER_01: Well, you know they've you know what Nimrod means?
31:26
SPEAKER_01: Do you know what the name Ninrod Nimrod means?
31:29
SPEAKER_01: I don't.
31:29
SPEAKER_01: It means mighty hunter.
31:31
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
31:31
SPEAKER_01: And it's a d the aircraft is a derivative of the uh de Havlon Comet, and I think we should salute there.
31:39
SPEAKER_01: I think Army English ethics.
31:41
SPEAKER_05: I mean if if they somehow manage to get permission and actually fly it from Coventry to Manson, that will be awesome, and that will be a very big event.
31:50
SPEAKER_04: That'll be amazing, but I would imagine there's all sorts of uh company entities that were that have parts involved going, we said never to fly that.
31:59
SPEAKER_05: We are not entirely sure we want the risk of that well I mean you know that's but I mean the Vulcan flew again.
32:06
SPEAKER_04: Until people in the background said we'd prefer this not to fly anymore.
32:10
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, no, absolutely.
32:11
SPEAKER_05: But that I mean I think the the point I'm making is that challenge to get the Vulcan flying was a huge challenge.
32:17
SPEAKER_05: And it was done.
32:18
SPEAKER_05: And it was done, but it was done by people who spent their lives listening to people telling them what they wanted to do is not possible.
32:24
SPEAKER_05: But somehow they managed to do it.
32:25
SPEAKER_05: Whether there's enough time between now and the time that the runway at June is no more, is is in June, um is is another question.
32:34
SPEAKER_04: I th I guess the the the thing is is if the um the guys behind this as uh the with the Nimrod as are saying, if we have to take it apart, I d I think it'll never be inactive, they'll never be able to run it again, they'll be they'll have to separate so many systems and things, the chance of it running again would be nil.
32:50
SPEAKER_01: So Well the good news is that the chap who is it is going to inspect the aircraft to see if it can fly again is none other than Kevin Kevin Taftstone, who is the chief engineer of the Vulcan to the Sky project.
33:04
SPEAKER_01: If anyone can do it, they can do it.
33:07
SPEAKER_05: Yeah, I think I suspect it's not going to be so much an airworthiness engineering challenge, although that will be a formidable challenge.
33:14
SPEAKER_05: But I suspect it will be a a liability and persuasion paperwork challenge.
33:18
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
33:19
SPEAKER_04: I either way, I hope that airplane they manage to save it somehow.
33:23
SPEAKER_05: Absolutely.
33:24
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
33:24
SPEAKER_04: Absolutely.
33:25
SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
33:25
SPEAKER_05: Um Ian.
33:26
SPEAKER_05: Talking of airplanes you managed to save, and talking of historic UK airplanes.
33:30
SPEAKER_05: Yeah, it's a yeah, I'm feeling a theme.
33:32
SPEAKER_05: NASA.
33:33
SPEAKER_05: Yes.
33:34
SPEAKER_05: NASA's WB 57.
33:36
SPEAKER_05: Also, you might know it as a Canberra.
33:39
SPEAKER_05: Canberra.
33:40
SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
33:40
SPEAKER_05: High altitude aircraft that saw service with the um RAF first flew in 1949.
33:47
SPEAKER_05: That is astonishing.
33:48
SPEAKER_05: Which is astonishing.
33:49
SPEAKER_05: And was the first jet to cross the Atlantic?
33:52
SPEAKER_05: In 1951.
33:53
SPEAKER_05: Okay.
33:53
SPEAKER_05: It took four hours forty minutes.
33:54
SPEAKER_05: Okay.
33:55
SPEAKER_05: That's not bad, actually, is it?
33:56
SPEAKER_05: That's very good.
33:58
SPEAKER_05: They have pressure breathing systems, so they were going all the way.
34:03
SPEAKER_04: And no and no one serving a G and T, maybe.
34:06
SPEAKER_05: Probably when they landed.
34:08
SPEAKER_05: But anyway, this was flying in the US, so they're using it still.
34:12
SPEAKER_05: I think they've got three of the.
34:14
SPEAKER_04: I think the last three flying Canberras are all operated by NASA.
34:18
SPEAKER_04: And they're these um they're Canberras.
34:21
SPEAKER_05: Probably the last two now, actually.
34:25
SPEAKER_04: Um but they've got an enormous wing on them for high for a high altitude flight.
34:29
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
34:30
SPEAKER_04: Really, really.
34:31
SPEAKER_04: And we saw Trigger's broom.
34:33
SPEAKER_04: We've seen one at Oshkosh, and they're they're brilliant things.
34:35
SPEAKER_05: They're awesome things, aren't they?
34:36
SPEAKER_04: They're kind of akin to they're like a they're like a stable mate to the U-2 in terms of capability.
34:41
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
34:41
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
34:41
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
34:42
SPEAKER_05: And so NASA started in 1968 using it as a high-altitude research aircraft.
34:46
SPEAKER_05: Um actually they've got given them, I think, in 1968, didn't they?
34:50
SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
34:50
SPEAKER_05: Um anyway, so one of them was flying at Ellington Field, southeast of Houston, but uh minding their own business.
34:55
SPEAKER_05: I assume I'm okay going on.
34:57
SPEAKER_05: And they haven't actually said what happened, but there was a mechanical issue.
35:00
SPEAKER_05: But there was no gear.
35:01
SPEAKER_05: All of a sudden there was no gear.
35:02
SPEAKER_05: I'm okay and they go, gear down, no gear.
35:05
SPEAKER_05: Three grid.
35:08
SPEAKER_05: Or however it works in Canberra modified.
35:10
SPEAKER_05: And so I'm assuming they went, well, we'd better see what we can do about this.
35:13
SPEAKER_05: But ultimately, a really nice belly landing.
35:16
SPEAKER_05: It was a really nice belly landing.
35:18
SPEAKER_05: That was gonna very, very sparky though.
35:20
SPEAKER_04: I would have thought they would have foamed it.
35:23
SPEAKER_04: But clearly no foam.
35:24
SPEAKER_04: No, no foam.
35:25
SPEAKER_04: Quite a lot of not fire, but sparks.
35:28
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
35:28
SPEAKER_04: And sadly, I mean that like you say, that now means that we're down to two flying canbres.
35:33
SPEAKER_04: I mean, not sure that it's gonna get repaired, you know.
35:35
SPEAKER_04: No, I think that's gonna be one of those things where that will not be.
35:39
SPEAKER_04: And there was um so back in uh let me check my notes, back in 2013, um they actually added one because there was a fleet of two and they went, we need three.
35:48
SPEAKER_04: So they actually pulled uh pulled one out of the uh Davis Montan uh storage yard that holds a record for the aeroplane in the longest in storage for the longest time.
35:58
SPEAKER_04: It was stored for 41 years before they got it back and went, let's make this fly again.
36:03
SPEAKER_04: So there must be some warbirds that have been stored for longer.
36:06
SPEAKER_04: I well, I think yeah, there's well, there's storage and storage, isn't there?
36:10
SPEAKER_04: There's war birds that were found somewhere, you know.
36:12
SPEAKER_04: But the this a lot We stored this under the grass under a glass, yeah.
36:15
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
36:16
SPEAKER_04: But this was an airplane that was specifically put away, you know, wrapped up and whatever.
36:20
SPEAKER_04: So they they pulled out of storage.
36:22
SPEAKER_04: Took a couple of years to restore to flight, but um yeah, so um yeah, so NASA that's uh uh NASA 926, 927, and 928, they're known as.
36:31
SPEAKER_04: So um, catchy names.
36:33
SPEAKER_04: I know, but um yeah, only two now out of three still flying.
36:37
SPEAKER_04: Very sad.
36:37
SPEAKER_04: It is so but nice job by whoever was flying it.
36:40
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
36:41
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
36:41
SPEAKER_04: So um so I should round up this uh this what caught your eye fest with another British type.
36:47
SPEAKER_01: Oh, can we play the national anthem?
36:49
SPEAKER_04: No.
36:50
SPEAKER_04: Um But um on on Monday I was uh lucky to go up to the Shuttleworth collection because I had the r the the most unusual invite.
36:59
SPEAKER_04: Now you might remember that um uh when I was doing my Super Cub project, yeah, I came across a a tiny little generator device called a Monkworks MZ30.
37:09
SPEAKER_04: And um uh I use that to save a bunch of weight on the cub.
37:13
SPEAKER_04: Well, it turned out the Shuttleworth guys were also going, Oh, that looks good.
37:17
SPEAKER_04: We could save a bunch of weight on the comet.
37:19
SPEAKER_04: Wow and it's taken a while to percolate through.
37:22
SPEAKER_04: Uh but uh with the help of various people, they've created a special um adapter to enable you to put the monk works on a gypsy.
37:30
SPEAKER_04: And the comet, so the famous, probably the most famous flying historical aeroplane in the world, now has modern tech on it.
37:40
SPEAKER_04: Uh so it's it's it's gonna be tiny, isn't it?
37:42
SPEAKER_04: It's a tiny thing, two point.
37:43
SPEAKER_04: Is it the same one as yours?
37:45
SPEAKER_04: Exactly the same, just with a different drive.
37:47
SPEAKER_04: It's smaller than this.
37:48
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
37:48
SPEAKER_04: It's it's the size of a vacuum pump.
37:50
SPEAKER_04: And um so Bill Judge, the guy behind MonkWorks, um, uh he and I were emailing and he said um uh ages ago, he said, What's this DH eighty eight thing?
37:58
SPEAKER_04: And I said DH88 thing?
38:00
SPEAKER_04: It's like the most famous historical airplane in the world.
38:03
SPEAKER_04: Um not in my house today.
38:05
SPEAKER_04: I know.
38:05
SPEAKER_04: So so I said, if you get an opportunity to work on this, do so.
38:09
SPEAKER_04: So he said, I'll come on over.
38:10
SPEAKER_04: So um so sure enough, he came over on the weekend uh and we spent the day um the Shuttleworth guys had bolted them on and Bill spent the day worrying them, and we at the end of the day, we put it all back together and wheeled the comet out and ran it, and it was fabulous.
38:23
SPEAKER_04: And the the generators worked.
38:26
SPEAKER_04: I'm we will I think there'll probably be a I'll make a little video about this because it's there was a lot of cool access to the comet during the day.
38:33
SPEAKER_04: Amazingly, what do you reckon it shaved off weight off the comet?
38:41
SPEAKER_05: Fifteen to twenty pounds.
38:42
SPEAKER_05: You mean in total or per size?
38:44
SPEAKER_04: So there's two.
38:46
SPEAKER_04: It shaved off nearly I think it was ninety pounds because the comet has it was not an electrical aeroplane when it was originally made, and then when it was restored, they added electrics because the gear is electrically driven.
38:58
SPEAKER_04: And it's a really complex system.
39:00
SPEAKER_04: Uh and hopefully what's that been like?
39:02
SPEAKER_04: Oh, massive generators, drive cables, adapters, all sorts.
39:06
SPEAKER_04: Um but so yeah, modern tech makes the comet.
39:09
SPEAKER_04: So it's we call it the Munjaro networks or something.
39:13
SPEAKER_04: The Munjaro MZ MZ30.
39:16
SPEAKER_04: Hopefully we haven't haven't done any terrible copyright things there.
39:19
SPEAKER_04: Um but yeah, so uh comet flight will fly on into the 2026 season, weighing a whole bunch less.
39:25
SPEAKER_04: Wow.
39:25
SPEAKER_04: So um but um 90 pounds.
39:28
SPEAKER_01: That's a chunk.
39:29
SPEAKER_04: It's a big chunk.
39:29
SPEAKER_04: The Shuttleworth pilots will go more pies! Well, I think it I think it'll allow them to to run a little bit more fuel and uh just uh anything that takes weight off something like that.
39:40
SPEAKER_04: And such a big chunk, it just it kind of helps it stay.
39:43
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
39:44
SPEAKER_04: But uh fascinating.
39:45
SPEAKER_04: Um and uh big thanks to the Shuttleworth Collection team up there for being so welcoming.
39:50
SPEAKER_04: They were brilliant.
39:51
SPEAKER_04: And yeah, if you do get a chance, I'd I got a uh ch opportunity to walk around the collection, and it is fantastic.
39:58
SPEAKER_04: So make Shuttleworth a destination for you this year.
40:01
SPEAKER_05: I think Shuttleworth We should do it.
40:03
SPEAKER_04: Maybe should we should do a flyer clip.
40:07
SPEAKER_04: Because it is it's a s it it was a grey, dull day when we we were up there.
40:11
SPEAKER_04: But Shuttleworth on a sunny day is amazing.
40:13
SPEAKER_05: Yeah, I think it's I think it is quite quite probably of its kind the uh absolutely world-class, probably the best.
40:21
SPEAKER_05: Oh, as of one of the best, isn't it?
40:23
SPEAKER_04: As a museum of s of aeroplanes and uh and then you combine the fact that most of them fly, yeah, there's almost nothing to match it.
40:32
SPEAKER_04: No.
40:33
SPEAKER_04: So um so yeah, so amazing thing.
40:36
SPEAKER_04: But yeah, and uh and uh um I got to s I I'll give the game away.
40:41
SPEAKER_04: I got actually got to sit in the car.
40:42
SPEAKER_04: I was gonna say you sit in a couple of things.
40:44
SPEAKER_04: I did make noise.
40:46
SPEAKER_04: But uh yeah, yeah.
40:47
SPEAKER_04: Excellent.
40:48
SPEAKER_04: So mega thing.
40:49
SPEAKER_04: So yeah.
40:49
SPEAKER_04: Um did anything catch your eye this week?
40:52
SPEAKER_04: Uh let us know in the comments.
40:54
SPEAKER_04: Dave, events.
40:56
SPEAKER_01: Events, yep.
40:56
SPEAKER_01: It's it's quiet time of year, of course.
40:58
SPEAKER_01: But uh Singapore Air Show, should you be there, third to the eighth of February.
41:01
SPEAKER_01: There's a Gasco safety evening in Preston, uh, Lancashire on the twelfth of February.
41:06
SPEAKER_01: And the uh World War One Museum at Stomerie's Great War Aerodrome reopens on the thirteenth of February.
41:13
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
41:14
SPEAKER_01: Um with kids cheap.
41:15
SPEAKER_01: Uh nothing.
41:16
SPEAKER_01: Kids kids cost you nothing.
41:17
SPEAKER_01: It's cheap.
41:18
SPEAKER_04: You go and get kids.
41:19
SPEAKER_04: I'm not sure it's I'm not sure it's it's appropriate to sell children.
41:22
SPEAKER_01: Anyway, kids going for free.
41:25
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