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#313 - For Azeroth!: "The Season Shakeup" · For Azeroth!: A World of Warcraft Podcast

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So wait, which one of you choose fast app then?
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Well, it's got to be Manning. There's no Winkles.
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Or whatever. It's clearly, it's clearly Lex.
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It's always the one you don't suspect.
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Honestly, have you actually ever seen Lex at work?
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I'm telling you, I'm telling you for calendar.
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To the burning. Region for Gilneus, but has not
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died for the for the. Sindori for the alliance.
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For the horn for Azeroth. Hello and welcome to another
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episode of For Azeroth. I am one of your hosts, the true
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villain Manny, and I am joined, as always, by my two lovely
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other parts of the Triumphant Introducing first Lex.
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Lex, how are you and how's the World of Warcraft been treating
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you? He's been treating me well,
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Manny. I finished The Voices Within,
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which is very good. And I the, the like snarky
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capitalist part of me was going to say something about like, I
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just feel like if I'm paying for it, I should get like more.
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I kind of expect a little more art in it.
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And then I realized that I actually really enjoyed having
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the short stories in a book form and reading them like that.
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And I wouldn't have really read them and interpreted them the
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same way if I hadn't. So I'm not going to be a snarky
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little capitalist, and I'm instead going to be really
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joyful. Though we got a fun little
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collection of short stories and I get to own it.
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Any standouts from the collection?
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I really liked the Moira one, which I know is free to
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everyone. It's the, the lilac and the
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stone or the stone and the lilac, lilac and stone together.
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And I also really liked the Gaslo 1, the goblin way, which I
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think is also available online if you want to read it.
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And that made me feel really hopeful about how they were
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going to handle goblins because I, I was a little bit like, how
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are they? It's going to be such a big
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shift like to to. Move.
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Goblins from a bit like basically a joke race, right?
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That's just there for the bit into an actual meaningful race
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with like intense story. How are they going to bridge
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that gap? And I think that that story gave
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a very clear road map of how they intend to bridge that gap.
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And I'm, I'm very excited about it.
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Very cool. OK.
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And then on the other side of the desk, we have Sean.
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Sean, hello. How are you?
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And of course, how's the World of Warcraft treating?
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You I'm doing well. Warcraft is treating me quite
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good. I've spent a lot of time since
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we last spoke on the PTR and very little time on retail.
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That's to be expected with where we are at in the season.
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I strangely have been sort of the opposite.
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I have been spending a lot of time on retail and a little bit
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of time on PTRI. Like the rate testing is during
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work. I thought that I would like have
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slower work these days, I'd be able to sneak in some rate
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testing, but I got in like the first week when it was heroic
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and I haven't been able to rate test since.
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So I've been of course looking at various streamers who have
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been playing through, who have been showing like what there is.
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And of course you yourself have been running all those mythic
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bosses. Got to ask you the question.
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Based on the latest testing that you've done, you think this raid
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is ready to go or do you think we we need a little more tuning?
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I can't really speak to tuning on some of the bosses because
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the mechanics weren't working. So it's hard to tell if the
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tuning is good if we don't know that the mechanics function.
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We do have another wave of testing for three bosses coming
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up as of recording tomorrow, January 20, January 30th to
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Thursday. So if you're listening to this
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episode, it would have already happened.
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But yeah, it it does. I think there is a lot of
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potential for this to be an excellent raid, but it I can't
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speak to tuning because there's just they have us raid testing
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in I think LFR gear. They scale us to LFR level for
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mythic raid testing, which doesn't seem realistic because
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not even world first teams will do mythic raid at that item
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level. Well, maybe we should start.
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Maybe we should start a mythic raid that you can only do an
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LFR. Yeah, I, I'm going to say that
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the scaling for it, yes, is roughly LFR.
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But if you have teams that are coming in who have done heroic
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from the previous tier, it's not that far off, right?
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Some teams who for people who have been pushing through got
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their AOTC and perhaps have not been doing Mythic plus to
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augment that the gear level that you then go into the the next
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tier. It's actually not that, not that
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far off. And if we're trying to fight for
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this world where mythic plus is not a requirement, at least
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initially, knowing that it starts at a point where these
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bosses don't immediately one shot people or can you can pass
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DPS checks without having a significantly higher item level
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could be good. Except like, I'd never trust the
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numbers on on the PTR. They inflate boss health, they
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weaken damage. They do a lot of things where
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they're like, we just want you to see the mechanics so you can
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test them. Ideally, if they're not working,
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they're not working. I've seen some of the bosses get
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killed on PTR. I've seen some of the bosses
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just utterly be like, well, we're going to piece this
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together from what we could see because it just did not work
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entirely. And of course, we've got some
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bosses that, well, one boss in particular that won't be tested
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at all. And we're just going to have to
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cross our fingers and hope that Blizzard balance.
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Is that right? Listen, he's never gotten
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balanced wrong. I.
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Thought you weren't going to be snarky today.
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That. Must have been the pretty show
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before I showed up. I I will never, I promise not to
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be snarky because I will always be snarky.
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If I'm given an opportunity to be snarky, I will snark.
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Snark will happen, Yeah, there are several.
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First teams will limit test the unseen Galliwick's fight for us,
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So thanks. Thanks to Liquid Echo and method
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for that. OK, it's the real PTR.
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But we haven't just been testing raids, of course.
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Testing has been of course, on the story and on Mythic Plus as
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well. And that's the big thing.
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If you guys listened to last episode, we did not quite get to
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the conversation about Mythic Plus.
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Sean, you wanted to get some more testing in, get the builds
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up. And since our last episode, we
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have had believe actually 2 new builds come through, one that
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was scheduled and one that was like a lot of balance changes
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for some classes. And of course, we're in a new
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rotation of dungeons. So for the dungeons themselves,
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without looking at the balance of classes, how are you feeling
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right now, Sean? I feel optimistic, I'm feeling
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pretty good about the dungeons. Are we not going to open with
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the massive changes to how Mythic Plus is going to function
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next season? I think we are going to hit
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that. I know I didn't want to quite
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tease it, but I did a bit like because I don't.
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Think we can talk about dungeon balancing without talking about
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the fact that they completely changed where the ethics is fall
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and the scaling so. So let me let me tell you the
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story. All right, We have what they
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said originally and the conversations that happened,
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including the conversation that they had with PC Gamer and
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Raider IO. We have the blue posts that they
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they put out. We have the testing of the first
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week, which really seemed to be good and sort of followed and we
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were all loving the swirlies. If you go back a couple of
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episode the swirkels, I've heard them be called, people have been
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enjoying that. And then we got into second week
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of testing and it felt like, and this is what you were alluding
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to last week, Sean, it felt like they had forgotten what they had
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told us they were going to do. And so that history, I think is
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actually kind of important to then go into what they've
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announced now and if that alone is going to be enough, or if
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what we saw last week, which I would have loved to have
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explained, also still needs to be addressed.
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So let let's let's to go your way.
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Let's talk about let's talk about these changes.
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Let's talk about the big news of the week.
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Blizzard has put out a absolute swath on the foundation of
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Mythic Plus going into Season 2. And this is affecting things
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that they have announced before. So basically, we're getting a
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list of changes. Sean, do you want to go through
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this or would you like me to? You can go through if you want.
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I have like I could do like a quick hitter summary of of what
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they are. But if you want to go through
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them, then we could touch on them.
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But sure, I'm good either way. Sure, right.
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I just wanted to kind of do a quick hit on them.
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Basically, we're seeing a lot of difficulty changes.
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So the a big one for people who are pushing low keys is that the
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bargain will not actually begin at A2 Plus, it will actually
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start at A4 plus, which means for the 1st 2 levels, A2 plus
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and a three plus, you have effectively 0 affixes.
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Then they're changing the fortified slash tyrannical to
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come in at 7. Then at 10, the other part of
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that, it comes in. Where did Peril go?
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Well, Peril's actually been moved baked into the Plus 12,
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where Zaltaf Guile takes away all of the bargains and you now
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get Peril, meaning every death now counts for 15 seconds
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instead of just getting this like big boost.
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So there's that change in when you're dealing with the Afixes
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coming through that that's there.
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Anything you wanted to note on that?
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Nothing. No, not really.
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Just the the the it's basically a laundry list of everything
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people asked for, Blizzard gave them, they moved affixes up,
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They guile the the extra 10% damage and health for the
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enemies is just gone completely. And now it's just that the seven
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seconds I think people are still are the 15 seconds.
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People are still sort of like lukewarm about 15 seconds of
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death. But there's another change that
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they made that had that takes place when you have all time
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twelves time that sort of balances out that that death
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punishment, I think, yeah, which we'll talk about when we get
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there. Well, I mean let you've
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mentioned it. So like let's just put that out
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there as well so that now when you get beyond a certain score,
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you will no longer be able to have your key deplete below a
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certain level. And that is not just the cut off
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at at one point, that is as your score goes up, the higher that
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you're I guess protection your your key floor because it's.
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I I do want to. There's one just I want to
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touch. It's not score based, it's
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timing the key based. So you have to time all twelves.
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Once you've timed all twelves you your key can't drop below a
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12. Same thing at 13141516.
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So it doesn't go. It doesn't start happening until
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plus 12, and then every key level plus 12 and above.
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When you time every dungeon at that level, your key can only be
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manually depleted below that level, which is a huge, huge
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advantage for anybody who is pushing for title on a time
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restriction. And it also means you can try
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things out. It's basically putting the
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tournament realm in retail. It's huge If you want to
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practice new poles, you want to practice new routing.
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I'm. Curious, I think this all sounds
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wonderful. I kind of wish it started a lot
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lower than a 12. I'm wondering are there, I guess
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maybe that right that like people would be abandoning pugs
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and groups that right and left if they didn't feel like they
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had, but I mean they do that anyway, so like.
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No, I, I, I hear that argument and that was something that was
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brought up. We had a pretty actually a
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really good discussion about that in our, in our Guild
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discord. I think that the reason you
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don't want this on the lower key levels is because it would
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completely eliminate those keys being run ever.
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Basically, if after I time fives, I don't have to run fives
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anymore. You now remove all of those
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people from the pool of who would run fives and in the range
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of 2:00 to 12:00, you're still learning.
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And, and one of the big things Blizzard made a point of in this
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post is that they wanted to ease the learning curve.
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And they did that not just by moving the affixes, but also by
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changing how much each key scales.
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So right now a key goes up by 10% damage and health on the
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enemies for every level while they're changing it in season 2,
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it's only 7% damage and health for all the enemies up until you
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hit plus 12. And then they're also boosting
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Mythic 0UP by 25% ish. So everything from 2:00 to 6:00,
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it's a little bit harder than it is now if you ignore affixes,
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but the curve is more gradual. And then you have to factor in,
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OK, there's no affixes here. So if you made it so that once I
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time all threes, I don't have to run threes anymore, you sort of
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lose that pool of people who might be in that learning stage.
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And there still should be at that point.
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I think some, I don't want to say punishment, but some
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triggering mechanism that says, Hey, you didn't time this four.
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Maybe you're not ready for fours yet.
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Try it again on a three. And so I I think that's why it's
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like that. I I'm OK with it, but I, I
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definitely hear you like as if you're somebody who lives in
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that 7 to 9 range and you're like, Oh, all my friends who run
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twelves don't have to have their keys deplete.
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Why to mine? That might feel a little bad,
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but I think it's for. I think it's better for the
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health of Mythic Plus personally, but I'm not in that
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range. I mean, I've got to ask the
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question though. Like one of the points they they
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made. Actually you know what, I'm
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going to read it verbatim here. They say keys in the two to six
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range had a shallow applicant pool, especially past the first
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weeks of the season. This meant that even players who
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tried to start at a lower difficulty level in order to
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build experience and to succeed at 7 plus skills also had a hard
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time finding and forming groups, experiencing many of the same
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frustrations that we've just been talking about.
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So that in my mind was the Delve situation, right, the
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introduction of delves that are right.
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And I'm not sure this really in and of itself addresses that.
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I mean, they've obviously added additional incentives, but like
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if you could push through delves and then jump into sevens,
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aren't we going to cause the same issue again?
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No because in in flat. No because they in season 2
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starting at key level 7. There's actually a graph that
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shows the scaling of the the keys and from 2:00 to 6:00,
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they're higher like enemy health and damage in season 2 than they
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are with the equivalent in season 1, but you don't have the
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affixes to offset some of that difficulty.
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Once you hit key level 7 from 7:00 to 12:00, it's two, it's
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about two key levels lower than it is now.
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So a + 7 in season 2 is going to feel like a + 5.
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In season 1 + 8 will feel like a + 6, so on and so forth.
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So if you have players who are gearing up mainly in Delves
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early on, they're going into that plus 7, which is where they
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would have gone this season. But now it's it feels two key
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levels lower and it's also missing the on death affix.
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So it it'll feel easier for people making that transition
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next season than it does this season.
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So it's sort of it's, it's got like a built in, hey, we're
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factoring that Delve thing in there, which I think is going to
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be really helpful. Yeah, I think that's a really
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fun idea to acknowledge that that actually like 7 kind of is
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a new learning like entry level key, right?
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That you should expect that if you're doing 7 sixes or sevens,
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eights, sixes range, that you are playing with people who
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probably haven't done a ton of of.
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Keys Blizzard calls out that they don't want that to be the
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case. They said, you know, people
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going in from Dells right in the sevens learning with that that
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death affix. That was never the intention.
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And I I still think they don't want you to be jumping right
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into a 7 and learning the dungeons that way.
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And they helped to incentivize that by increasing the gear
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rewards that you get starting right at Mythic 0, where you
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will now be getting Champion track gear in Mythic 0 on a
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weekly lockout, which is coming back.
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That's a return from Mythic Zero and Hero Track starting at
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Mythic 6, which is really, really good.
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I almost wish I don't. I'm like genuinely work shopping
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this as I speak. I almost wish that there was a
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way in mythic plus to turn on like learning mode where the
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point is that you're doing a key at a certain level, but it
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doesn't. You don't have to worry about
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like depleting that key or something.
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And I don't know, you can't like it's guaranteed zero gear or
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it's not going to go in your vault or something like that,
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where like it, it does, you know, it's not like everyone's
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turning on learning because it's so much easier, but it it makes
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it so that you like you're still get crests at the end.
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So if you want to learn and you want less of that stress, you
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can go into the learning mode with your friends or even pug a
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learning mode group. I don't know, that's probably
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stupid. I I don't think it's stupid, and
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I think Blizzard sort of agrees with you by shifting all affixes
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off of +2 and +3 and making the app the only affix you deal with
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is a timer. I think they're giving you that
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learning mode, Mythic Zero, you can go in, there's no timer at
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all. You get champion track from
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every boss. You can go through slow time
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and, and like learn the dungeon and what each mob does and what
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the bosses do. And you can do that as a friend
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group. And then if that same friend
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group or if you're an individual, if you're like, I
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want to try to get into mythic plus you have two key levels,
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but and that's eight dungeons. So it's 16.
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It's that's 32 keys you can run at +2 and +3, you know, each
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one. I'm sorry, it's 16.
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Math is really hard for me. I'm Canadian. 1616 dungeons you
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can run just getting used to mythic plus as you know as a
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speed event, as a as a timed event before you have to even
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consider the affixes. I think that sort of gives you
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that learning mode. I think that's what that is is
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trying to be, but I think that what it, and maybe this is just
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very unique to me and so this isn't actually a thing that
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other people deal with. I had a really tough time when I
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was trying to transition to tank because it felt like any key was
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either so low level. That it a nobody, you know, I
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didn't I felt like a jerk dragging my friends into it
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because nobody wanted to do it, but B like it it was just
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meaningless, right? We it didn't really matter if I
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did the mechanics right because it was, you know, like A5 and we
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were going to roll the floor with it.
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Or it was so difficult that like me not knowing mechanics meant
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that I was like giving us an hour long key because I couldn't
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figure things out right. And I didn't feel like I had an
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ability to like practice the difficult mechanics without like
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depleting a key or ruining someone's night.
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Even though because between like delves and and doing things on
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DPS, at first my gear level was such that I needed to be doing
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like the lower level keys were kind of meaningless to me.
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I see what you're saying. So if that, if the key
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protection existed, that would allow you to effectively go in
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and and learn the tank on those more difficult levels where your
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gear, it makes it dangerous and you don't have to worry about
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feeling bad about breaking somebody's key.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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OK. All right.
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I see your point of view. I I see it.
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I hear you, Lex. I hear you.
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I don't necessarily, I think that's a bad thing I do.
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I would be concerned about what it would mean to people who are
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in that lower level trying to learn Mythic Plus, because I
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think it would effectively eliminate a lot of the groups
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there, which is what Delves did this season.
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But I'm not, I'm not sure. I'm not a dev or a people
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psychologist. Yeah, well, I mean also, you
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know, yeah, the thing about an MMO is there's going to be
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competing needs all the time, right?
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And so like, not most people like the the goal might be like
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Mythic Plus is not meant to like hold your hand if you're super
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shy or like super scared about breaking someone's keys.
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And that's just how it is. And that's how the game mode
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goes the same way that like there isn't like a a raid mode
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for people who are scared of wiping their raid and where
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they're like, well, we want to do heroic, but we don't have to
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worry about like, you know, nobody's scared that's her or
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whatever, right. So like, it, it, it to some
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degree. It might just be like, it's the
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video game, man. Like you're playing with other
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people, Sylvie, like don't do the hard content if you don't do
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the hard content. So it it might not make sense.
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I haven't. I genuinely like this thing I
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came up with 30 seconds ago. So it's probably half baked,
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but. We'll take it half bag Lex is
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still better than than fully cooked Sean takes I.
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Love your takes, you have incredible takes.
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Oh, thank you. I think one part that might
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affect this is because we don't have the delve week from season
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1 coming back, people are going to be diving into Dells mythic
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plus raid all at the same time, which means that people have
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less time to cap out the gear and make those lower keys feel
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as obsolete. And if you're as soon as season
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2 opens up, jumping in with your key and along with your delves,
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that might give you less of the feel bad of I'm dragging people
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down into these keys because everybody's going to be at those
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keys. But that is a that is a tale
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that sort of happened a bunch of times repeatedly.
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Every season there are people who are a little bit skittish
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about doing the mythic. Plus they get in late and their
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friends have already conquered the the meta.
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Blizzard did address this a little bit by changing which
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dungeons we're in. We're in.
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So we have a rotation of dungeons now so people don't
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immediately know how these dungeons work in season 2.
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We're all sort of learning, but they're still like different
24:00
levels of people that are going to be going at different speeds.
24:04
They're going to be people who have been running through on the
24:07
PTR over and over again and already know the new dungeon
24:10
before day one occurs, which is still weeks and weeks away.
24:14
There are people who will be like, Oh yeah, I'm going to
24:17
check it out. And yeah, they'll, they'll see
24:22
it eventually. Like they heard their friends
24:24
talking about it and they're going to, they're going to get
24:27
it. But it won't be till their raid
24:29
leads are sort of like, hey, guys, remember to do your your
24:32
mythic plus that they'll actually say like, OK, let's
24:35
let's do this. And their preparation is going
24:37
to be completely different. So there's always going to be
24:39
the adjustment there. And Blizzard off course, has to
24:42
deal with a variety of different players.
24:44
One thing that I think is going to be really good about this is
24:49
that as Sean talked about before, they are changing the
24:53
reward. So Mythic 0 being able to give
24:57
that weekly lockout of champion gear.
25:00
But even in terms of the actual mythic plus, we are now getting
25:06
hero track gear. We are now getting gilded crests
25:11
and all of the different crests at different levels.
25:14
Before they had said, hey, we're hot.
25:17
We're going to be putting it in so that you get more crests.
25:21
Even if you deplete that is going to be day one of see of
25:25
season 2 continuing on top of that at I believe it is now a 7
25:32
you start getting. Gilded, Chris Yeah, you get
25:37
ruined from +2 and above, and then you get gilded at +7 and
25:42
above, and your myth track in the vault stays at plus 10, but
25:48
you get hero track up to +3 for hero track 3 up to mythic plus
25:55
12, but you start getting those at 10s.
25:57
But yeah, they bumped it up across the board, which is
25:59
great. And that goes to what people
26:03
were saying that the mythic plus didn't feel as rewarding.
26:06
And so now Blizzard has definitely addressed that.
26:09
And honestly when you get up to AI believe it's a 12, you get 20
26:15
of the gilded crests, which is incredible for people who are
26:20
like Oh well maybe I don't want to do a 12.
26:22
I think they've also added a couple of other carrots.
26:25
I know for myself getting that score of 3K is suddenly a lot
26:31
more appealing because they have added in Keystone Legend and
26:36
alongside it you get a second seasonal mount.
26:42
Yeah, it's a, it's a recolor of the KSM mount.
26:45
So if you're a mount collector who just collects mounts because
26:47
you like them, don't sweat it out.
26:49
It's just a recolor of that KSM mount.
26:51
But it is going to be harder to get to because a 3K score
26:55
requires 4 dungeons timed at 13 and 4 dungeons timed at 12,
27:01
which next season will feel easier.
27:04
It'll but yeah, it's a, it's a it's, it's, it's not an easy
27:10
score to hit. But it is that additional carrot
27:14
hopefully will encourage more people.
27:15
I think just the Keystone legend is a good way of acknowledging
27:19
that there should be additional stretch goals.
27:25
I have seen just some amazing things.
27:28
If you guys watch the MDI, that was I think about two months ago
27:34
at this point, you would see teams all over the place.
27:38
A lot of it had that meta, you know, that enhanced shaman
27:42
making sure that you're you're bringing, bringing in like that
27:46
paladin or that vengeance for the for the tank.
27:50
But there was place for some variation and some text.
27:54
I remember Grim Batal using warlocks for the gate skips, so
28:00
I'm hoping that we get some more of that tech, some more of those
28:05
like dungeons that do do well. I've seen, of course, the siege
28:10
of Baralis where tremor totem came in well, but obviously
28:14
shamans don't really need the help with utility to be to be a
28:18
pick, but like that sort of utility.
28:21
Have you seen any of that in the in the dungeons for this coming
28:27
season where like there's there's like a couple of utility
28:31
that could make a class something favored for at least a
28:34
particular dungeon? Yeah, there's some that carried
28:37
over from, I don't have any for Operation Floodgate or any of
28:43
the the new dungeons that are coming from or within, but there
28:46
are some carry over from Shadow Lands dungeons that have that
28:50
effect and BFA dungeons. So in Mechagon Workshop you have
28:55
priests with the ability to mind control the exploding squirrels,
28:59
which does an insane amount of damage right now, but to the
29:04
point that don't go without a priest.
29:06
It's that much damage. But I don't anticipate that
29:10
going live that way. It was tech that existed in the
29:14
past and we was used in the past, But I, I really feel like
29:17
it's more people are vocally speaking out against it right
29:20
now so that I think it's going to get nerfed.
29:23
And you can also use a war. There's a really nasty pack at
29:26
the end of that dungeon that has a lot of mobs that was a popular
29:29
skip back in BFA times with a warlock gate.
29:34
And I suspect that will that will maintain as well as a
29:37
popular skip spot because it's not a great pack to pull.
29:40
And then in a theater of pain from the shadow lands, that's a
29:44
shout out to my least favorite dungeon from that expansion.
29:48
You could take a blood death knight or any death knight and
29:51
there's a mob, a commander mob after the first boss and this
29:54
and you can get to the map from the first boss If you got into
29:56
the challengers wing hallway that does, I think it's 50%
30:00
extra damage done to all allies and 25% reduction in damage
30:05
taken or those numbers are flipped.
30:07
But I'm pretty sure those are the numbers you can mine.
30:10
You can control undead that and now that buff goes under the
30:13
party. So it's it's a pretty strong
30:16
buff. It's pretty significant.
30:18
I wouldn't recommend going to theater bang without a death
30:20
knight. I think the Blizzard should keep
30:22
it like that. I think the Blizzard should pick
30:24
a meta every year or every season, and they should just be
30:27
like, yeah, and if you go into this dungeon and you don't have
30:29
this one certain class, you're just going to all die.
30:31
That sucks anyway. Moving.
30:32
On like they should they should. Take over this narrative like,
30:35
oh, the meta chasing. Yeah, now there is one.
30:38
Yeah, the good news is you won't even have to change your meta
30:41
classes because Frost Ath Night and Disc Priest are both meta
30:44
this season. There we.
30:46
Go, we stay winning. I I mean, yeah, I think there
30:49
was a place for Unholy to switch out with with Frosty K, but
30:53
that's not really much of anything.
30:55
I genuinely think that, I mean, we were talking about the change
31:00
with augmentation Evokers and how that's going to affect
31:03
things. We saw a number of changes
31:06
finally, Warriors getting a bit of changes being addressed to
31:11
them, but I don't think that we are going to see the exact same
31:18
meta be left undisturbed, not because those classes are going
31:24
to get nerfed. I mean, obviously enhancement is
31:26
going through a number of changes this tier, but like I
31:31
think that bringing up those other classes is something that
31:35
we are going to see. Like we've already seen
31:37
Guardians and monks for their tanks, like Guardian Druids and
31:43
Brewmaster monks get getting some changes and looking a
31:48
little bit a little bit stronger.
31:50
I'm not sure if there's something good, but I I mean,
31:53
paralysis was a thing in midst of Terran Asythe.
31:57
I've seen a ring of peace being used to like move some mobs out
32:01
of the way without getting them in combat.
32:02
I think that there are some great things that can be done.
32:06
I just, I'm not entirely sure how everything is going to going
32:11
to play out right now, but in terms of the dungeons coming
32:16
back, they're doing a lot of big changes, right?
32:18
We've seen a list of changes now.
32:23
I haven't had a chance to get back into it, but the Rookery I
32:28
got to test a number of times both with you, Sean, and with a
32:31
couple of pickup groups. That was, that was painful.
32:36
And I think a lot of dungeons last week did kind of feel like
32:41
they hadn't made adjustments that I would have liked, even
32:46
with everything overall being changed so that the scaling and
32:51
damage has been adjusted again. Anything below A10 instead of
32:57
scaling at plus 10 per key is now down to +7.
33:00
That's compounding. So that's a that's a huge
33:04
change. But like when you have packs
33:09
that have 3 or 4 casters and you want to pull anything more than
33:14
one, one pack a turn, that's like one pack, one pack in a
33:18
single poll. That gets overwhelming.
33:21
Do you do you feel they're going to address any of that?
33:24
Yeah, so I think when you say last week, you actually mean two
33:29
weeks ago, because you're talking about the war within
33:31
dungeons, which is I would agree with you, but that, and This is
33:34
why I didn't want to talk about it last week.
33:36
That build, like the second week of PTR testing, which was the
33:41
first week of the four War within dungeons we haven't
33:43
gotten yet, was 100% an older build that didn't reflect any of
33:49
the stuff mentioned in the PC Gamer article or in the blue
33:53
post that came out that Tuesday. So that Tuesday, they was the
33:57
first time they said, hey, we hear you, we're slowing down
33:59
cast times. The idea, all that stuff,
34:01
adjusting tank Busters that those dungeons we tested did not
34:05
have any of those changes. It did not reflect it.
34:07
Last week was the returning dungeons from Shadow Lands and
34:10
BFA. They 100% felt better.
34:13
They even in some cases even just updating the visuals made
34:17
those dungeon mechanics feel less punishing because it's
34:21
remarkable how little a mechanic becomes a problem when you can
34:26
see where it lands. So the, the, the, the legacy
34:31
dungeons returning all felt really to me and a few of the
34:34
other people that I tested with felt really good last week.
34:37
This week again, they've come out and said, hey, we're
34:40
adjusting cast timers. They've shown us some of the
34:42
issues, some of the things where they've done adjusted cast
34:43
timers. And Operation Floodgate felt
34:46
good from the beginning because it was already built with those
34:48
in mind. So this week, as of today or as
34:51
of yesterday, we could retest the Rookery, Cinder Bimetery and
34:57
Priory of the Scion Priory of Sacred Flame.
35:04
So I, I haven't gone in yet to do this.
35:05
I will do this probably tomorrow or the day after.
35:08
I have to believe I'm optimistic because everything else that
35:11
they've said has matched up with everything else that they've
35:14
done and I've seen has matched up with what they said they were
35:16
going to do going into those dungeons on an actual current
35:20
build. I think we're going to see that
35:22
it is different. But you're right 100% the
35:26
Rookery especially, even if you slow the cast times down.
35:31
The whole first half of that dungeon is every pack has two to
35:34
three casters in it. And I think we should do single
35:37
pack polls. I think you knew me little Oh.
35:40
No. Do we have two packs?
35:41
Now no. Who can?
35:43
Put me in a time time based event and tell me I have to go
35:47
slow. You can.
35:49
Do whatever you want, Sean. You can die as many times as
35:51
your heart desires. That's not my problem.
35:55
I think that there's an even, there's a medium in there.
35:57
I think that if you have a couple of casters in each pack
36:01
and it builds up to a point where, hey, I pulled one pack
36:05
too many, we can't control this. That is fine, but that can't be
36:08
a binary of one or too much. It has to be, hey, is 3 or 4 too
36:15
much? Is this particular pack so
36:19
dangerous that we can't pull anything with it?
36:22
Is this, is this pack so dangerous that we cannot pull it
36:26
into the boss? Because I believe that if you
36:30
only have it as a prescriptive, you have to do 1, then two, then
36:35
three. There is no skill expression in
36:37
that and it kind of defeats the purpose of Mythic plus.
36:40
No, I disagree strongly. I think the skill expression is
36:44
the ability to, to, to show patience and restraint.
36:48
And the, the real skill that Mythic plus should be testing is
36:52
am I capable of maintaining my nice single pulls so that I, you
36:58
know, don't have to worry about my tank cooldowns?
37:01
But I constantly forget. I think that's how you're a good
37:04
a good mythic plus tank. I did.
37:07
I literally As for having this conversation, I got a message
37:11
from Stanky who I do most of my dungeon testing with in the PTR
37:14
and it says I will read it to you word for word.
37:17
Dude, the Rookery is so much better this week.
37:22
And he he was, I mean you were in the group with us.
37:24
We all agreed how how frustrating it was and we were
37:27
saying then like prop paladin locked in.
37:29
If you have one tank that can isolate kicks on two or three
37:32
mobs on his own, that's going to make them obviously locked in.
37:37
I can't wait to get in there and test.
37:38
It sounds like I don't know if Fasdev is listening, but it
37:43
seems like every time we bring something up, we immediately get
37:46
a blue post a day or two later, which is but now it's like
37:50
Fasdev is prophetic because last week we didn't even talk with M
37:52
Plus I was just like, we're we'll talk about it later.
37:55
I want to reserve. And then they were like, Hey, we
37:57
got to send that feedback post so that for Azeroth and get out
38:01
there and be happy again. Which one of you choose fast up
38:05
then? Well, it's got to be man.
38:08
And there's no wiggles or. Whatever.
38:10
It's clear now. It's clear clearly.
38:12
It's clearly Lex. It's always the one you don't
38:15
suspect. Honestly, have you actually ever
38:17
seen Lex at work? I'm telling you.
38:19
I'm telling you. Oh God, has my work ever seen me
38:22
at work? Never mind if you're my boss.
38:23
Cover your little ears. I definitely didn't take 1/2 day
38:26
today and then walk my dog for an hour in the four hours I was
38:30
supposed to be. Working.
38:32
But that aside and Lex's secret double life as a Warcraft dev,
38:38
you know, put put aside, I think that obviously we're not unique
38:44
here. We do come from a number of
38:47
different play styles and, and everything.
38:50
But like the community was pretty, I guess, unanimous on
38:56
this. I've heard players who barely
39:00
got KSM in time. I've seen players that kind of
39:03
just dipped their toes in, got their keystone Explorer and were
39:06
happy with that. And of course, players that have
39:09
been pushing with just their set group and getting like 3K in the
39:14
first couple of weeks, All of them giving a lot of this
39:18
feedback. And it shows that the World of
39:21
Warcraft devs are listening to that feedback because they have
39:25
been saying this for a while. And obviously we couldn't have
39:29
had these sort of changes happen in the middle of a season.
39:33
The best that they could have done was say, OK, we're going to
39:36
do flat nerf. So that's just season in general
39:39
is nerf like the compounding power damage and and and health
39:45
that could have been done mid season.
39:47
But the the fundamental changes that they've been doing coming
39:53
up, that is all. I think this is the earliest
39:55
opportunity that they've really had and I'm really happy for
39:57
that now. This has been I was waiting for
40:02
this to break like when we started the you know, the devs
40:05
are really, really listening and responding to player feedback.
40:08
The cynic in me was like, OK, I wonder how long that'll last.
40:11
And so far it's lasted right. I, I am just consistently very
40:15
happy. I've I've had my you know, my
40:17
complaints with Blizzard of times, but overall I am still.
40:21
Just consistently happy with what is coming out and excited
40:26
about the things that they're doing and the changes they're
40:28
making and feeling hurt as a player.
40:30
So Blizzard, Fazda specifically. So what you're going to want to
40:33
do next season is pick a meta and make it impossible to play
40:36
outside of that. Lock that in.
40:41
I I gotta ask, I gotta ask. I know, Lex, you're being
40:45
facetious, but do you guys believe that they are doing
40:54
something to make the meta like a healthier meta?
40:57
I mean, we had I think one of the healthiest metas in
41:01
Dragonflight season 1 and to and to see it being so restrictive,
41:07
almost the polar opposite in the war within season 1.
41:10
Like what happened? Like where do you think that
41:14
they could make adjustments so that we're not all rolling the
41:19
same five classes so. First of all I should say I
41:25
don't actually play at a high enough level that I feel the
41:27
matter at all. I could never tell you what it
41:29
is. I'm always playing like lower
41:30
level keys so I'm kind of guessing and I should be
41:33
overruled if one of you 2 has a stronger opinion.
41:36
I was joking when I said the Blizzard should like force a
41:38
meta. However, from hearing you guys
41:42
talk about the meta and thinking about how gameplay occurs, I do
41:46
kind of think the you have to either be conscious about what
41:53
is going to be particularly powerful in a particular season,
41:56
or you run the risk that you get something like the War Within
41:59
where shamans just wipe the floor with everyone.
42:03
Like they have abilities like, and every single thing they can
42:06
mitigate and they can do this. And this is helpful too.
42:08
And this is incredible. Like if you're not thinking
42:10
about how certain classes will be affected by certain like
42:15
skips and certain kicks and certain like how that's going to
42:18
play in and making sure that you're balanced.
42:20
Because the other thing is that it, it it's going to have, you
42:24
can't realistically make it so that every dungeon is as easy to
42:28
do. Like the the having access to
42:30
skips is as meaningful as having access to kicks is as meaningful
42:34
as have and you know, like, and also what about the classes that
42:35
don't really have a lot of utility?
42:37
Like how are we like, it's good. There's going to have to be
42:40
classes that are better. And so I do kind of feel like.
42:43
The. Best case scenario is probably
42:45
the Blizzard devs are going into it open eyed and are like OK
42:49
last season these sorts of utilities were underutilized so
42:53
we need to make sure they are more utilized this season so
42:55
they get more play time. I mean, I I like that with the
42:59
utilities trying to say like, OK, like we saw not much use for
43:06
Reese mind control or control undead.
43:08
So that's why they might be showing up a little bit more
43:12
theater. Payne may not be the out of left
43:15
field choice that we imagine. I also think that they did a
43:22
fairly good job with saying like, hey, the reason that resto
43:29
shamans are around everywhere is because this totem is
43:34
ridiculous. And so congratulations, we're
43:37
we're hitting that down. But the follow up was OK, we'll
43:42
just bring the priest again and. Yeah, that that's a bad nerve to
43:48
point to because that totem was only strong in one week in keys
43:52
below 11. Like that's one of the every
43:55
four weeks in keys 2:00 to 11:00 that that totem is.
43:59
It was such a weird thing to nerve, but anyway.
44:02
I was like, but it was just like a weird, like what's the what's
44:07
the knock on effect that like was easily able to be foretold
44:10
in this. And obviously priest and shaman
44:13
are great healers because they give that extra bit of health.
44:17
The same reason everybody loves bringing the augmentation Evoker
44:21
because it just gives you that extra cushion to make a mistake
44:24
and not get hit for 15 seconds or, or cascading wipe damage
44:30
there. And that kind of utility really
44:35
needs to be looked at. And so I like, I get while
44:37
they're doing augmentation Evoker, what's what's stopping
44:39
priests from going again? Nothing.
44:42
They will probably be there, but so I want to start.
44:45
I want to, I do want to answer your question Manny, because I
44:47
do think they have done something.
44:49
I mentioned it earlier in the show, but I do want to highlight
44:51
it again. But first I want to say the meta
44:54
is only required for world first level keys.
44:59
If you're not doing the literal highest key ever done in the
45:03
world, you do not need to play meta.
45:06
You don't. Oh good, I'll remember that when
45:09
I'm tanking for you. Yeah you can't.
45:11
Like honestly if you need proof go watch squish vegan.
45:14
Squish vegan's group is entirely off.
45:16
They are a full group of off meta classes.
45:19
They were actually all break the meta eligible classes this
45:22
season and they do keys at the same level.
45:25
It's so outside of a literal world first, you don't need it.
45:28
But since augmentation has come in, we've seen the meta
45:33
constrict, constrict and it's had a carry on effect to the
45:35
rest of the keys because that's how people think.
45:38
And this season, I think it was exacerbated by the fact that
45:41
everybody felt, whether they were or weren't, everybody felt
45:46
that keys were significantly harder.
45:48
Which means I'm less likely to risk not timing it, which means
45:53
I'm more likely to try and pick that metacomp.
45:56
I'm not going to risk it. I want to time this.
45:58
I got to push it. These are too hard this season.
46:00
And I think Blizzard is indirectly addressing that with
46:06
the, the, the floor, the key keystone floor.
46:10
You know, time on your twelves. You don't drop below 12 because
46:13
it means if I don't time it, it's not, I'm not being punished
46:17
for not timing it. Other than the, the amount of
46:20
time I spent in the dungeon. I think that opens it up for
46:23
more people to be a little bit more inclusive in who they
46:26
invite to their group to take a few more chances and what they
46:29
bring. And I think it will shake things
46:31
up. We will still have a meta.
46:32
It is impossible to not have a meta because there will always
46:36
be a specific comp of of classes that are only able to do the
46:40
world first level key. And that doesn't mean one level
46:45
below, it means the absolute world first.
46:48
It's so important to stress that.
46:50
I, I also think that it's going to change the, the pugging scene
46:56
at those levels a little bit as well, because they're going to
46:59
be people who are like, I want to do this key that they would
47:04
otherwise avoid to lock in the keys not depleting.
47:08
They're going to go in to theater paint and be like, you
47:11
know what? I'll endure this theater to be
47:16
able to never again have to deal with it at a 13 and I can just
47:20
do do it at 14 plus and so on. So I I think it is kind of a
47:25
brilliant move. The last thing that I wanted to
47:30
say is that like the biggest thing that I think Season 2 and
47:39
the difficulty adjustments can bring is bringing people back
47:46
into Mythic Plus. But I am worried that it's a
47:51
double edged sword because with increased reward becomes an
47:58
increased fear that I should be doing it even if I didn't want
48:05
to. All those players who were like,
48:07
I was really hoping I could do delves and that would be enough
48:11
for me to get through like my once a week group that just like
48:17
tries to get AOTC and then only and enjoys that there's going to
48:22
be a bigger a bigger incentive, a bigger push by whatever your
48:29
Guild leaders are to like, you know, beer and grin it and get
48:34
into that. Do you think that that could be
48:40
offset some way or do you think that like, honestly, if Mythic
48:43
Plus isn't at the level that it is right now, it just does not
48:48
have the incentive to have a healthy population?
48:51
I don't think if I think if you're in a Guild that is
48:56
telling you you have to run mythic plus over this level and
49:01
that's not something you want to do, I think you should find a
49:05
new Guild. There is no requirement I on EU
49:11
side. Our Guild is an AOTC only Guild
49:15
on my EU team and the only requirement they have is 3
49:20
heroic track vault slots outside of raid a week.
49:25
You can get those for anybody's wondering by running +2 keys or
49:30
+7 valves. So there's no, there's no mythic
49:35
plus requirement. There's no you must do this many
49:37
dungeons and especially in a world where delves also now
49:40
offer gilded crests, which got buffed up to 21 a week for plus
49:46
11 delves. I don't, I truly don't think if
49:49
you're an AOTC, only guilt. If you want to have a vault
49:53
requirement so that your team is always improving, that's great.
49:56
But you, you should definitely give people the option to get
49:59
those vault slots however they want, whether that be mythic
50:01
plus or delves because there's no, you will get AOTC no matter
50:06
what. There's no reason to tell
50:07
people, hey, you have to do dungeons.
50:09
And if you are, if you want to do dungeons or you're on a team
50:12
where they say, hey, you have to do dungeons and you're OK with
50:14
it, great, stay there. You're in a great spot.
50:15
You're in where you should be. But if you're somebody who
50:17
doesn't want to do mythic plus and your raid team is telling
50:20
you you have to do mythic plus, find another guilt.
50:25
There are so many guilds that will make that requirement and
50:27
you will still get AOTC and there are loads of them that are
50:29
still full with good people. Yeah, we have very limited
50:33
requirements for gearing. And to be fair, we also have a
50:36
very like a lot of people who primarily raid log and a lot of
50:40
people who are like pushing insane keys and everything.
50:43
And we got we got AOTC before Christmas.
50:49
What about you on a personal level, Lex?
50:51
You're somebody who was looking at Delves.
50:54
You're somebody who admittedly is a little bit skittish about
50:58
doing keys. Do you feel more of a pressure
51:01
now that they are more rewarding, not from your Guild,
51:04
but like even just internally? And like how do you balance
51:08
that? That's a good question.
51:13
I think that I, if anything, I'm mostly driven by like a genuine
51:16
desire to eventually do mythic plus mythic.
51:19
I think I'm a weird case. I think that my like reasons for
51:22
being anxious, I'm at mythic plus are kind of, you know,
51:25
unique to me and my own neuroticism.
51:30
So I don't know that that I don't, I don't think that these
51:38
changes mean much to me, to be honest.
51:40
I mean, they do. They're obviously going to
51:41
change the way that Mythic Plus affect my play in general, but I
51:45
don't think that they are going to affect the way that I
51:47
approach Mythic Plus. Does that make sense?
51:50
Yeah, that makes sense that it's like it's not changing how you
51:53
think about Mythic Plus, how you're going to approach Mythic
51:56
Plus, which is which is what I was sort of asking.
51:59
You are going to benefit from these changes, but it'll be a
52:02
passive benefit, not an active like, well, I got to get in
52:04
there now and you're going to start three weeks earlier
52:07
because, oh, sevens now give give gilded press or something,
52:10
right. And.
52:11
It's like, because the, the issues with mythic plus, you
52:15
know, that the reasons that it's scary to me are the same, right?
52:18
That like, oh, you know, pugging is, is scary because people
52:20
might get mad at me. And with my Guild, I feel bad
52:23
because the people who run Mythic are so much higher level
52:25
than me and they're probably going to continue to be so much
52:27
higher level than me. And like that didn't really
52:31
change with this. And, and I've been thinking this
52:33
actually kind of in every part of this conversation about
52:35
mythic plus and what's changing and what's wrong with and how
52:37
can we fix this and how can we fix this?
52:39
One of the things we haven't just just said is that mythic
52:42
plus has a a reputation of a toxicity problem.
52:46
And you know, part of that is earned.
52:48
Part of that isn't there is also a like, you know, if if you tell
52:51
everyone mythic plus is toxic, then people who don't want to
52:54
deal with toxic people are not going to engage with it.
52:56
Like I I understand all the nuance to this, but that also
53:00
kind of effects every every level of this, right?
53:06
And so long as that, and I think, you know, it's also true
53:09
for the meta, right? Like if the the the reason that
53:13
the meta is AI mean part of the reason the meta is a problem is
53:15
because if there's so many more DPS than you can pick, you're
53:19
going to have to narrow them down in some way.
53:21
But also because, you know, a lot of people who are hugging
53:24
sevens want to pretend that they are or whoever.
53:30
I don't know and I shouldn't have said that.
53:36
We are about to get so many new viewers.
53:39
Let's try that. Again, a lot of.
53:41
People leave that in. That's just not getting enough.
53:43
Want to believe? That they are their favorite
53:47
streamer right and so they are like no, you know I'm over here
53:50
and we we got to push and you guys are doing these pack rock
53:53
picks went wrong and you don't have the right class and you're
53:56
not running the right talents be like not because it matters, but
53:59
because they want to feel cool and it.
54:03
Lex, can you give me an example of an overly aggressive
54:06
Neanderthal streamer that you just described?
54:09
No. I don't stream anymore.
54:11
She can't give you any examples. I'm going to, I'm going to plead
54:14
the 5th on that one. She can't think of one no, can't
54:17
think of. One World of Warcraft has never
54:20
I think, had a toxic streamer, am I?
54:22
I'm not thinking of some but I OK, right?
54:26
It's this. This is even funnier if Manny
54:28
leaves in when you actually called the button, no?
54:31
It's gonna get. I will bleep that so much.
54:36
I'll leave it. You gonna leave?
54:38
It it's so good, people, people can guess we're talking about
54:41
it's all. Turned over a new leaf, now it's
54:43
OK Him and his community are all sunshine and roses.
54:47
Yeah, Yeah. No, no, that's.
54:50
Anyways, we can't. End the next time.
54:53
We can't end the show. I have so four days ago.
54:55
This is the last thing I have to talk with this everybody on this
54:58
show. If you listen to this show,
54:59
unless this is your first episode, you know I play
55:02
Protection Warrior Mythic Plus four days ago, one day after we
55:08
released last week's episode, Dyevacs went to the forms and
55:13
gave us a blue post. I have been pretty vocal about
55:18
the rage nerves of the game to Prop Warrior and my dislike of
55:21
them and how it feels and thrown some numbers around.
55:24
Kyvax came out. Now I have to say, Kyvax is
55:26
probably one of my favorite people on the planet.
55:28
I've never met them. I don't know anything about them
55:30
other than the fact that most of their blue posts make me happy.
55:33
And four days ago Kyvax chose violent and it came out and he
55:39
gave a breakdown of why they're making the changes to prod
55:41
warrior. I'm not going to read it to you.
55:43
It's an amazing post. If you don't actually read the
55:45
blue posts, I I recommend it. Go read the blue posts because
55:48
they're super well worded. Kyvax Lynxy Stone faced.
55:53
I think it is. I mean, if I got that, if I got
55:57
your name wrong, I'm sorry. The other the other one so.
56:02
Much. It's so much less offensive than
56:03
getting there. Now it's Stone.
56:04
Faced it's stone stone eyed stone faced something like that
56:07
Anyway they're poster great go read them but can I ask you
56:10
what? And they gave up they explained
56:12
the reasoning why prot warrior rage nerves happened.
56:17
You know, they talked about the fact that Prot Warrior currently
56:18
has a very high APM, which you ask pro Warrior mains, they will
56:23
tell you, yeah, that's why we play it, That's why we enjoy it.
56:25
We like that as high ABM. Now that does create a barrier
56:29
of entry for new players and it doesn't, it allows for scale
56:34
expression because the really good pro warriors are able to
56:37
use that APM to their advantage. The really bad ones struggle
56:41
some, but they can't want to explain the reasoning.
56:45
And I read it and I heard it and I was like, OK, you know what?
56:49
That sucks. And at first I wanted to join
56:51
the frothing masses of proud warriors who were saying, no, we
56:53
want the high PM, don't take this away from us.
56:56
But then I, I, I said to myself, listen, if Blizzard is going,
56:59
this is the second time they've called out the change in rage
57:03
and why they're doing it. And this time they went into
57:05
like into a little bit more detail as to why they're doing
57:08
it. I said to myself that we're not,
57:10
we're never going back. We're not.
57:11
And, and if you're a proud warrior listening to the show, I
57:13
need you to, I need you to look, come here, come in, bring it in
57:15
closer. And you listen to me.
57:16
We're not getting it back. They're not giving us back the
57:19
rage. So with that in mind, with that
57:23
in my heart, with Kyvax's words burnt into my brain, I went on
57:28
the PTR and I said OK, let me figure out how to enjoy this and
57:31
how to play this slower, how to embrace Mr. Pandaria and slow
57:37
down. And I'm happy to report that
57:41
while I don't think it is perfect yet, I do think Pratt
57:48
Warrior plays OK in its current state.
57:52
And they keep making adjustments to the different dials that they
57:55
have to throw their access to increase our damage and, you
57:59
know, fix things that were gone by the rage missing.
58:02
And I went from 2:00 to 3:00 dead globals every pole down to
58:06
like one to two dead globals a minute, which is really good.
58:10
And I feel like, OK Blizzard, I hear you.
58:14
It plays a bit slower now, plays a bit more like maybe a blood
58:16
decay where you have to. It's more forethought and less
58:19
reaction. There's less needless rage
58:22
dumping into ignore pain. It's more purposeful.
58:28
And I'm OK with it. And I'm looking forward to
58:31
seeing what state it ends up when we start season 2.
58:34
But I want Bazdev to know if you if you have a chance, tell
58:38
Kyvax. Thanks for the posts.
58:41
I appreciate him helping to shift or them helping to shift
58:45
my mental away from. I want my rage back to hey,
58:49
let's figure out how to play this tank that you enjoy.
58:52
OK? That's why I wanted to.
58:53
I just wanted to say it because less.
58:55
Rage about the rage. Thank you.
58:57
Yeah, the anger management classes from work they.
58:59
Took down the rage and you're like OK.
59:02
Yeah, yeah, OK. That's why you can end the show
59:05
now, man, I just had to say it. I had to get it out.
59:07
I needed to let Fasdev. I don't know if Fasdev even
59:09
knows Kyvax, if there even is a Fasdev.
59:12
Maybe Kyvax is Fasdev. Who knows.
59:14
Nobody knows Lex. Tell Kyvax when you see him at
59:16
work tomorrow. You see them at work tomorrow.
59:18
I keep saying him. I don't.
59:19
Like, hey Bethy, don't listen to the show.
59:22
Yeah, that's crazy today. Very professional.
59:27
So did more. So did New York.
59:32
OK, that's it. I'll stop talking.
59:34
Not Manny. Well, until next time guys, may
59:37
all your hits be good.