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Joe Miller · Not Another Football Podcast

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Speaker 1: Welcome to another episode of Not an Other football podcast
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Speaker 1: here in Spain Cable Roig and we adding the fantastic
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Speaker 1: Rosie Maguire's with myself, Simon Drley and Jackie Mcamara, and
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Speaker 1: we've got another ex teammate of Earls still Joe mother.
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Speaker 2: Guys, have you survived your first night in cable? Roig?
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Speaker 3: Just about just about? Like our voices, A wee bit horse,
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Speaker 3: but I'll get there.
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Speaker 2: So how songs?
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Speaker 3: All right? Yeah, I'm enjoying life and just glad to
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Speaker 3: come over here and celebrate Celtic achieving a double and
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Speaker 3: you know it's happy days. So we were talking obviously
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Speaker 3: good Peter Grant, I had another teammate, Earl was on
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Speaker 3: a recent episode and he was talking about the six
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Speaker 3: years from eighty nine to ninety five and the most
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Speaker 3: success Soul took money Scottish Cup. But you're the man
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Speaker 3: that took us over the line in eighty nine. Yeah,
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Speaker 3: can you remember that day?
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Speaker 2: Can you talk us through it?
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Speaker 3: Yep? Well, on the back of this centenary year, we
1:02
Speaker 3: were looking to probably springboard and there was just a
1:07
Speaker 3: lack of investment in the lost a few good players. Yeah,
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Speaker 3: you know, Frank had left but she was a talisman
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Speaker 3: through the soul. Seemed to be the centenary when he
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Speaker 3: arrived in October, but he did so well. He left
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Speaker 3: halfway through that eighty nine season and Rangers were going
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Speaker 3: for the treble. They were doing well. We've kind of
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Speaker 3: lost a wee bit of pace with them. The only
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Speaker 3: thing we had left was probably the Cup, and it
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Speaker 3: was everybody was looking towards Rangers achieving a treble. You know,
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Speaker 3: that's always the case of always the team in format.
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Speaker 3: Usually it's a Celtic and Rangers and it's a final
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Speaker 3: since a one off game. But I had previously played
2:00
Speaker 3: the Aberdeen as I center forward, and I was always
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Speaker 3: When I joined Celtic, it put me in either wing,
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Speaker 3: particularly right, to try and create chances for Frank and Andy.
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Speaker 2: What did you did?
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Speaker 3: You know? It didn't really bother me. I mean, he
2:21
Speaker 3: started gave me a kind of free role. But I
2:23
Speaker 3: went out to that kind of right wing on my
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Speaker 3: debut and I had a great debut and we won
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Speaker 3: five now, but it was all about geting Frank and
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Speaker 3: Andy the service. So they started banging in goals left,
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Speaker 3: right and sent and and we did so well. But
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Speaker 3: I knew it was going to be difficult for me
2:45
Speaker 3: getting through the middle again. So but when Frank left,
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Speaker 3: I thought I might get away sniff at playing through
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Speaker 3: the middle, but he put and the Mark McGee up.
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Speaker 3: I was still again. So we went to Alberdeen Udy
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Speaker 3: and they played a game up there and Andy. It
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Speaker 3: was a bit of a clash and Andy got kicked
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Speaker 3: in the head, but he's he damaged his eye, so
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Speaker 3: that was him out for the Cup final and I
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Speaker 3: got more opportunity. The last three or four games of
3:21
Speaker 3: the season, they play through the middle. So you played
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Speaker 3: seeing the lead up to that in the other rounds,
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Speaker 3: have you not played as much then I played that season?
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Speaker 3: It was that was played by a wee bit injury
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Speaker 3: to start the season, so was in and it abut
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Speaker 3: a fortune and then I came back and about a
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Speaker 3: form and then I got more opportunities center forward. So
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Speaker 3: the last three games this season we won one now
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Speaker 3: and I scored in every game. So I'm going into
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Speaker 3: the Cup final with a lot of confidence and the
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Speaker 3: quietly confident, you know, but we knew the noise across
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Speaker 3: the road was that they were going to achieve the
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Speaker 3: treble and all that. But as I said it was
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Speaker 3: a one off and I was on form, so I
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Speaker 3: kind of had that confidence going out of the game.
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Speaker 1: So you're talking about injury, So we're talking yesterday about
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Speaker 1: the rocket, the.
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Speaker 3: Oxygen, the hyperbari high chamber high.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, everybody's got an experience here that.
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Speaker 3: I remember it coming in, coming in on trolleys and
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Speaker 3: things like that. Put into the treatment room and in
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Speaker 3: the gym. No, it was a jimmy. So anybody that
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Speaker 3: was on it was half because anybody was on it,
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Speaker 3: the lights used to go off, the towels.
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Speaker 2: And over the pot holes.
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Speaker 3: Cost your phobic you are, So what was your My
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Speaker 3: experience was? I think it was when I think it
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Speaker 3: was nineteen ninety Charlie Nicholas came back, remember, and Charlie
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Speaker 3: was always a bit of a kidding a bit of
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Speaker 3: the place, and I think I had a hamstring injury.
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Speaker 3: So Brian Scott Scott to put me into the chamber.
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Speaker 3: You know you're going to going to the back of
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Speaker 3: the thing and and there it's like there's no way
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Speaker 3: they will be out. You get locked in and there's
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Speaker 3: only a panic button inside that you see how the
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Speaker 3: boys are coming. I was a win A couple of
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Speaker 3: windows on either side, and you see the boys coming
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Speaker 3: in and at the gym, you know, and they would
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Speaker 3: be chatting on the window and things like that. So
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Speaker 3: my experiences and I took a couple of papers on
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Speaker 3: me and I'm just you had to sit in there
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Speaker 3: for about half an hour or something, that's half And
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Speaker 3: basically the theory was that they get your blood flowing
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Speaker 3: a lot quicker. So that was a theory. So I
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Speaker 3: was in there and god, there's my bloodbell floor. Then
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Speaker 3: it was oh, sitting there just reading the paper and
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Speaker 3: then I was a huge bang the inside it and
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Speaker 3: I thinksh something going hanging and saying, then my nose,
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Speaker 3: my nose started bleeding. That's said myself, bagging the window
6:02
Speaker 3: and bagging the window, and everybody's walking by. Give me
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Speaker 3: the up cover the claret. But blood was shouting case
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Speaker 3: noy can hear you? And I'm used to hit the
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Speaker 3: panic button and then you bride Scott came in and
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Speaker 3: I was I think they were carrying that's chamber if
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Speaker 3: I got to change the oxygen. Silly, silly, Well, but
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Speaker 3: what wasn't a good experience but the zero the guys
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Speaker 3: are all waiting for you Charlie was just simply once.
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Speaker 3: However it was. It was a good laugh, but it
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Speaker 3: wasn't a nice experience.
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Speaker 2: You went up twice, or is it I was any
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Speaker 2: probably two.
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Speaker 3: Of them great great man as those great clubs at
6:57
Speaker 3: the time I joined thirty sign. I signed s Form
7:01
Speaker 3: in nineteen eighty and they went full time in eighty
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Speaker 3: five eighty eighty five. And then when I got great
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Speaker 3: abide tmate then they had it was a full squad.
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Speaker 3: One of the couple in US Cup eighty three, I
7:18
Speaker 3: was over gothen Berger. That was the thing that you
7:21
Speaker 3: were at that game. The club took you because you're
7:24
Speaker 3: a party of me and my dad to go. So
7:28
Speaker 3: we were over and that was great, great experience playing
7:33
Speaker 3: me all these guys. But that was the thing back then,
7:36
Speaker 3: even s forms could go up and play three reserve
7:40
Speaker 3: games or something like that a season. You could go
7:44
Speaker 3: and train with the first team boys. You don't hear
7:46
Speaker 3: that now, no, So that must have been a great
7:49
Speaker 3: experience for you though, that environment between andros Moll and
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Speaker 3: Gordon's stacking and again all these guys, you know, great
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Speaker 3: for your boy. At this point then I was only
8:03
Speaker 3: as I said, I was only twelve when I went
8:05
Speaker 3: there and then I went full time and just at
8:09
Speaker 3: the sixteenth when do you make your daddy, just shortly
8:14
Speaker 3: after I'd been three months after a ye, So it
8:17
Speaker 3: was it was a great experience, great experience because he played.
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Speaker 3: He sort of arranged this game. I was playing for
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Speaker 3: Scotland school Boys and he arranged this game at Cowden
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Speaker 3: Beef and they I went up there to school with
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Speaker 3: a school uniform and my dad. I got the last
8:37
Speaker 3: couple of periods at school and they were up there
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Speaker 3: and I walked into the dressing room and I thought
8:42
Speaker 3: it was a reserve fixed us. You know you're and
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Speaker 3: the is. Honestly, I had a great I remember the
8:49
Speaker 3: uniform it was gray and he had a gray shot
8:52
Speaker 3: and I'm not kidding you just went the sweat because
8:56
Speaker 3: you know the players that the full European team. That
9:00
Speaker 3: is when the cop was sitting there, I was late
9:03
Speaker 3: and Master's Stuart Kennedy, he Molla mcleay's do the bell
9:08
Speaker 3: Gordon strike the world playing joy So Sir Alex has
9:14
Speaker 3: come in and get yourself strips and that was nears
9:17
Speaker 3: playing with these guys and one two double. I got
9:19
Speaker 3: to two goals, so that was like his test and
9:23
Speaker 3: then he says if you could handle it, See if
9:25
Speaker 3: I could handle it exactly. So I like to say
9:28
Speaker 3: to my dad after the game, that's Sam ready. He says,
9:30
Speaker 3: I'll have him up at December. He says, no, you
9:33
Speaker 3: may wait another year left school. Yeah, so that was
9:38
Speaker 3: it's too young and he left school and he had
9:41
Speaker 3: done his arms and how long then are you there
9:43
Speaker 3: before you got your lift to shelter it? So he
9:45
Speaker 3: want he wanted me. I played there for three years.
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Speaker 3: He left to go to Manchester United in eighty six
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Speaker 3: and my contract was up the following year, so there
10:03
Speaker 3: was a chance that I might be gone room or whatever.
10:06
Speaker 3: But just sat to go to United United.
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Speaker 2: Talking that at the time.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, you spoke about it at the time. And then
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Speaker 3: I came down in eighty seven, November eighty seven and
10:20
Speaker 3: Celtics teenary years just kicked off and Frank's just joined.
10:23
Speaker 3: I just played the girls.
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Speaker 2: Did that come about?
10:26
Speaker 3: So you're talking about the chance you might have went
10:28
Speaker 3: before getting It was all transfer system back then, and
10:31
Speaker 3: it was pre Bossman. It's so it was a wee
10:36
Speaker 3: bit more difficult to negotiate with teams. I have agents
10:40
Speaker 3: talking to clubs and things like that. Bit you only
10:42
Speaker 3: relied on what the press were printing. So I had
10:46
Speaker 3: all the clubs all watching me at the time and
10:48
Speaker 3: it was in the press every week. So I got
10:51
Speaker 3: my move in eighty seven. Ian Porterfield was a manager
10:55
Speaker 3: and he's he says, you've got to go down and
10:58
Speaker 3: talk to Celtic transfer. It was I think it was
11:07
Speaker 3: six fifty fifty was that it was a there was
11:10
Speaker 3: a million pound deal involved, but it was like I
11:15
Speaker 3: had to change because of the negotiations as well. So
11:22
Speaker 3: that's whatever club was prepared to pay the feet at
11:24
Speaker 3: a time. So Liverpool and man United were waiting interested,
11:29
Speaker 3: they were waiting. I Kenny was waiting as well. If
11:33
Speaker 3: I didn't say if a Celtic, I knew had something else.
11:36
Speaker 3: So it's not bad something. This was all there Sky
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Speaker 3: sports and things like that. You know before the hype.
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Speaker 2: But when you want a Celtic again, big characters.
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Speaker 3: I think I was just starting as you were coming
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Speaker 3: into your Celtic that's straight. I remember REALI and Braid.
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Speaker 2: You get helped.
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Speaker 3: We're talking about the house environment in the dress room
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Speaker 3: the boys used to the day one I signed in
12:03
Speaker 3: a Friday thirteenth and them and the fourth. I made
12:07
Speaker 3: my debut against Dundee and I walked into the dress
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Speaker 3: room and like, you just want to see all the players.
12:14
Speaker 3: So I played against him a few weeks earlier, and
12:18
Speaker 3: they were all over you, and oh Man, you know,
12:21
Speaker 3: and they were just tired above Yug and your hog
12:23
Speaker 3: and a great welcome to the dressing room and you're
12:30
Speaker 3: kind of that kind of broke up. And as it
12:32
Speaker 3: broke up, Macas is just stritten thereby man and I
12:36
Speaker 3: looked up and all the jerseys were all hanging up
12:38
Speaker 3: like that was this week, tiny view, wines, shorts, Pegg pet,
12:43
Speaker 3: the soaked Petiet, you buy we we We're all laughed
12:49
Speaker 3: at we go. So then it kicked on for there
12:53
Speaker 3: they went to tails. I had a cot bed in
12:55
Speaker 3: my room. I had the high chairs at the pre
12:57
Speaker 3: market meals. Fai's rush. The thing I think this stretched
13:01
Speaker 3: into turned up at the rest. It was the high
13:06
Speaker 3: chair was sitting for you. Fucking was we toys my
13:09
Speaker 3: first morning granted put the Power Rangers, a my space
13:13
Speaker 3: that you play part of exists. It was great though,
13:20
Speaker 3: because you had the They were a great and strong
13:23
Speaker 3: characters in the address, so you had, Yeah, I think skin,
13:27
Speaker 3: but yeah, there was other things they did as well.
13:29
Speaker 3: They wind ups. But Big Bully used to have us
13:32
Speaker 3: saying if a happy Alfy, partly be happy on it.
13:35
Speaker 3: He never stoked his day anything wild as long as
13:39
Speaker 3: you hard the songs. We produced the goods training and
13:43
Speaker 3: on a Saturday, which almost happened. So it's good.
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Speaker 2: Who was your.
13:47
Speaker 3: Favorite teammates to play with in through your career? Maybe
13:50
Speaker 3: not necessarily to Celtic, it's great. It's funny you say, hey,
13:53
Speaker 3: see like you've got inspirational players like you know when
13:56
Speaker 3: I joined Sheelter, knew hey because I played up at
14:01
Speaker 3: Aberdeen Jim Batt and Gordon was there but Gordon left,
14:06
Speaker 3: but Jim Bett and then creative player great. When I
14:10
Speaker 3: met Celtic was Paul. I knew Paul was guys guys
14:14
Speaker 3: like that are going to Gee Service.
14:17
Speaker 2: So pretty special players.
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Speaker 3: So but he had inspirational players that Tommy, who was
14:23
Speaker 3: Celtic through. I knew Tommy because they stand growing up
14:27
Speaker 3: and his mum was a customer to the shop and
14:30
Speaker 3: all that kind of thing. My dad's show up a business,
14:33
Speaker 3: so I knew all they they coming through the stands,
14:37
Speaker 3: so and I had played by very quite at the
14:41
Speaker 3: school boys. You know this guy, so I knew some
14:43
Speaker 3: of them, A big starkey as well. Matt McGee was there,
14:47
Speaker 3: so it was we kind of followed each other's career
14:53
Speaker 3: there a started when I came in the back, but
14:57
Speaker 3: he was there was guys there I knew. But they
14:58
Speaker 3: were strong characters and great players. No foreigners, just the
15:05
Speaker 3: Irish boys, you know, just that was that was really foreigners,
15:10
Speaker 3: but no great great group of boys. That was a
15:12
Speaker 3: small squad. Yeah, just one dressing room about nineteen players,
15:17
Speaker 3: twenty players, and that's what was used to look the
15:20
Speaker 3: whole double only a couple of subs. Different. Now you've
15:25
Speaker 3: got two teams on and so many subs and it's
15:30
Speaker 3: changed theirs. So you're a long time retired as we know, Yes,
15:34
Speaker 3: but you're doing something just now which you were talking
15:36
Speaker 3: to me about. You want to let us Celtic Legends museum.
15:39
Speaker 3: It's a Celtic Legends museum. It's a thing that I've
15:42
Speaker 3: had a wee passion for, as I said, growing up
15:46
Speaker 3: as a Celtic fan. And my dad used to play
15:50
Speaker 3: football and he knew Bobby my book pretty well and
15:54
Speaker 3: they would allays meet up and have a shandy in
15:57
Speaker 3: a game. That one game over at Boby gave went
16:03
Speaker 3: for a drink it with my dad and myself after
16:05
Speaker 3: the game. I was only a week kid, and that
16:07
Speaker 3: time you could get to the lounge and have a
16:09
Speaker 3: wee coke and things like that. So it was he
16:13
Speaker 3: gave me this bag and inside the bag was a jersey.
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Speaker 3: He's jersey was one of the last jerseys I had.
16:17
Speaker 3: I was only a young kid to fight six years
16:19
Speaker 3: of age, so I'm running about the problem with jersey,
16:22
Speaker 3: soaking wet jersey and you know, and I kept it
16:25
Speaker 3: and I thought that it was great, you know, So
16:27
Speaker 3: I looked after it, and then I started collecting them
16:31
Speaker 3: when I was older, and throughout the years, I was
16:35
Speaker 3: getting really good jerseys. There was something that I just
16:37
Speaker 3: had that something collecting things. And then so this museum
16:41
Speaker 3: I started, Yeah, huge collection.
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Speaker 2: I don't know.
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Speaker 3: The thing is, I've also got a few guys that
16:53
Speaker 3: have have helped other collectors that I know very well,
16:56
Speaker 3: and they've chipped in the great items. So that's what
16:58
Speaker 3: I'm trying to do. I'm trying to get them back
17:00
Speaker 3: to the Celtic fans and in a way it's say
17:05
Speaker 3: I was trying to do it maybe the Exhibition Center
17:08
Speaker 3: or something like that. It just try to get it
17:09
Speaker 3: out there and display it all. Let the fans come
17:13
Speaker 3: up against you know, maybe seeing that's the closest seat
17:19
Speaker 3: of these legends that these jerseys. Story behind every jersey,
17:25
Speaker 3: they're all through the big games. The authenticity is there
17:31
Speaker 3: so you can read about it. If it's a Cup
17:33
Speaker 3: final jersey where it's embroidered, that's the player's jersey. Now
17:38
Speaker 3: it's hard for Celtic to have a museum because the
17:41
Speaker 3: player's got everything. You know yourselves, he's kept the kits
17:44
Speaker 3: after a final and you go to the medals. So
17:47
Speaker 3: there's no much that Celtics a football club can throw
17:50
Speaker 3: in a museum but the players collection. So I've gathered
17:55
Speaker 3: quite a lot of players collection. I've got does jerseys
18:01
Speaker 3: I go for Jinkie Big Bell A safe place they're
18:06
Speaker 3: run A safe place, Oh they would be. They've got
18:08
Speaker 3: to be in a safe place. But I'm hoping to
18:10
Speaker 3: ground all the supporters clubs right, take it on tour
18:15
Speaker 3: and display it starting in in maybe forty six weeks time,
18:20
Speaker 3: and then they can all get a chance to or
18:22
Speaker 3: the public can get a chance to see it and
18:25
Speaker 3: read about the story, read about the jerseys and the
18:26
Speaker 3: player that wore the jerseys and the match itself. It's
18:29
Speaker 3: not about Celtic Football Club. It's about the players and
18:33
Speaker 3: the players that wore that jersey. So you're reading about
18:35
Speaker 3: the history of them. It's pretty incredible because you're talking
18:38
Speaker 3: about what we kept in the back of the day.
18:40
Speaker 3: But nowadays I think players smoke jerseys at halftime they'll
18:43
Speaker 3: get four manage up. But we were lucky to get
18:45
Speaker 3: one it then the long John Clapp has been lying
18:49
Speaker 3: was just Kip man and it just a number then
18:50
Speaker 3: as well, then you were lucky if.
18:52
Speaker 2: You got a jersey then. So to get this collection, well,
18:55
Speaker 2: if you.
18:55
Speaker 3: Think John Clapp was tight, nearly, mocking was nearly as
18:59
Speaker 3: well anything. And you did have to hear that jersey
19:03
Speaker 3: because the thing is that you're rightly you say that
19:07
Speaker 3: they're getting new jerseys every game now, but back in
19:10
Speaker 3: the day they were washed. There were season jerseys. These
19:13
Speaker 3: lasted the full season, so there was only special new
19:18
Speaker 3: jerseys made for every if we were in a cup final,
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Speaker 3: So that was that's pretty unique and you never ever
19:25
Speaker 3: got them. I was fortunate enough to be sponsored by
19:30
Speaker 3: Umbro when I joined Celtic and launched the new the books,
19:34
Speaker 3: the very first book wash No, this is actually it
19:39
Speaker 3: was before that. It was very These were get samples
19:41
Speaker 3: that were coming over for Brazil. Fantastic are great, but
19:45
Speaker 3: the lasted and sports companies don't want them to last.
19:49
Speaker 3: They're made to dust. These were too good, so they
19:54
Speaker 3: were great for me and I used them for a
19:56
Speaker 3: couple of years, but I was doing all the kids.
19:59
Speaker 3: Oh they came the modeling and the new season strips
20:03
Speaker 3: that were coming out, so I was getting to keep
20:05
Speaker 3: them all and I was getting to you, do you
20:08
Speaker 3: have an idea back then about what you were going
20:09
Speaker 3: to do with them or I just kidded them. I can't,
20:12
Speaker 3: but I didn't have an idea that was going to
20:13
Speaker 3: display them. It's just getting together with a couple of
20:17
Speaker 3: other collectors because they're just lying in your house. It's
20:19
Speaker 3: like players I've actually got. I've actually got a couple
20:23
Speaker 3: of jerseys long years be your name on the back
20:25
Speaker 3: of it, and the testimonial game and all that kind
20:28
Speaker 3: so that the themes there when you've got a history
20:30
Speaker 3: of cup finals and famous players and then those testimonials
20:35
Speaker 3: and goalkeepers jerseys. So if you think of that range,
20:38
Speaker 3: you could go up to the hundreds are displaying every jersey,
20:43
Speaker 3: but they changed so often nowadays.
20:45
Speaker 2: So changes every that's another thing.
20:47
Speaker 3: Back then, they don't even change the crews crewing it.
20:51
Speaker 3: That's just the materials. It's funny to see all the
20:54
Speaker 3: materials I liked. I like the old fashioned heavy cotton,
20:58
Speaker 3: so they were great. But it's going to be interesting
21:02
Speaker 3: that I hope. Well, the fans will love it and
21:05
Speaker 3: they get the fans love it, and the families they
21:07
Speaker 3: bring the kids along it. Where do you take it
21:09
Speaker 3: in the support supports clubs. I've I've contacted several supports
21:13
Speaker 3: clubs who've got large venues, large halls. I can set
21:16
Speaker 3: this up and display it around the halls and keep
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Speaker 3: it open during the day and see. So I am
21:24
Speaker 3: hoping it will it will work and get a good
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Speaker 3: response for.
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Speaker 2: You, and will you present at that.
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Speaker 3: I'll just be a day every five minute talk and
21:33
Speaker 3: then beforehand and then let people enjoy and read the
21:36
Speaker 3: display cards, read about the jersey, the history behind it.
21:40
Speaker 3: So it goes on the way back some of the jams,
21:44
Speaker 3: Jock Steam's jersey's coronation Cup. You know you've got the
21:50
Speaker 3: Lisbon some of the Lisbon stuff has a big centenary display.
21:54
Speaker 3: There's goalkeepers testimonial matches, all the tip players that all
21:57
Speaker 3: had testimonials. The idea is to put a big picture
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Speaker 3: up as well, So that's all. It's going to be
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Speaker 3: better interest. You're doing that obviously in recent times as well.
22:08
Speaker 3: We were touching on it earlier. Your career coming to
22:12
Speaker 3: an end, you'd to be health scared as well, don't you.
22:14
Speaker 3: I did talking about this yesterday and different players of
22:18
Speaker 3: team had a lot of unfortunate COVID. Rather, COVID was
22:22
Speaker 3: bad for me as well. I never told anybody as well.
22:25
Speaker 3: Just I came down that as my sister found me,
22:30
Speaker 3: and that was bad. Ended up in the royal family.
22:34
Speaker 3: Just COVID affected people badly and ended up on machines
22:41
Speaker 3: and things like I get in there trying to get
22:43
Speaker 3: oxygen and as well, it was just just a batsan
22:46
Speaker 3: and nothing you could say. You know, you just lay there,
22:49
Speaker 3: you know, that's frightening, and then things start running through
22:53
Speaker 3: your head, you know, your family, maybe daughter and things
22:56
Speaker 3: like that. So but I was fortunate that I got
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Speaker 3: to back the attention of the staff at the Royal
23:05
Speaker 3: and looked after us, and they eventually got out and
23:09
Speaker 3: took my time. Let everybody else. It's you know, it's
23:13
Speaker 3: hard to daly and afterwards you're saying, wow, I'm lucky, bizarre,
23:17
Speaker 3: and you hear people passed the being people that didn't
23:20
Speaker 3: believe it. That's the thing that was a worrying thing.
23:24
Speaker 3: Didn't believe it long being hospital didn't be in a
23:28
Speaker 3: week or so, maybe in great days. And then I
23:33
Speaker 3: got out and I was just to go home and
23:34
Speaker 3: rest because they were needing the beds. It was, it
23:37
Speaker 3: was really bad. The wars were full, so I was
23:40
Speaker 3: wanting any I kind of stand being in it, and
23:44
Speaker 3: I think that if you want it, you'll get it
23:46
Speaker 3: type thing, you know, So I just can they be
23:51
Speaker 3: in there any longer? So it was bad that you
23:54
Speaker 3: hear it. Let's say, bespoke about it the other day. There,
23:57
Speaker 3: you know, the teammates, teammates it part away. I'm you know,
24:02
Speaker 3: I've probably can ten years after you guys are fifteen years.
24:06
Speaker 3: But the guys I played me and Summer part like Tommy.
24:11
Speaker 3: Tommy affected everybody, I think. But when you share Tommy
24:15
Speaker 3: as I can as a coach, everybody was affected by
24:18
Speaker 3: it because he was passing on so much good information.
24:21
Speaker 3: But he was like that as a player as well.
24:23
Speaker 3: Was like that as a as a player as well.
24:25
Speaker 3: His legacy obviously was as a manager. It's probably my
24:28
Speaker 3: best manager. He might be said the same. You've been
24:31
Speaker 3: at a stage of your career where you're really need somebody.
24:34
Speaker 3: You needed see that team where you needed managers on
24:37
Speaker 3: the pack on the part was like that as a
24:39
Speaker 3: player as well. Ay, so Tommy could talk you through
24:42
Speaker 3: your game, coming over before the game, at halftime and
24:45
Speaker 3: after the game. A gee, you're hugging that kind of thing,
24:47
Speaker 3: but you're sharing dressing rooms, hotel rooms, bushies and everything
24:52
Speaker 3: else where. These guys use used to your close. So
24:56
Speaker 3: that's it. That's the thing that people don't understand. And
25:00
Speaker 3: you know that kind of level of friendship and respect
25:04
Speaker 3: that you've got for guys. That told me as well.
25:07
Speaker 3: So he was a hard one to take. And then
25:09
Speaker 3: I have those piles at Aberdeen as well, Neil Cooper
25:13
Speaker 3: like me Google that I played of course, so it's
25:16
Speaker 3: sad to see these guys because they were great players
25:18
Speaker 3: and things like that, but they played Yeah, good guy, funny,
25:26
Speaker 3: that's the thing. These were all funny guys as well,
25:28
Speaker 3: great character characters. You know. The part of the probably
25:33
Speaker 3: femin nearly was he was a riot I non stop.
25:40
Speaker 2: I think it kind of mold you as well.
25:42
Speaker 3: Last you've you've been through to probably the strongest changing rooms,
25:46
Speaker 3: young boy, Aberdeen, with all those and it's it's good
25:53
Speaker 3: to be that mentality, yeah, young boy, getting into that
25:58
Speaker 3: standards and the standards that we're in the dress room
26:01
Speaker 3: and you're up at the top end of the table,
26:04
Speaker 3: you know, playing cup finals, challenging for the league every year,
26:08
Speaker 3: every season, that's the best thing. Getting to a semifinal
26:13
Speaker 3: was always, you know, great, but getting to the finals
26:19
Speaker 3: even better. You haven't win it. So playing under two
26:23
Speaker 3: good managers is experience up against each other he's got
26:28
Speaker 3: so it was great for me, absolutely great. And then
26:31
Speaker 3: I walk leave a great dress room guys all winners
26:35
Speaker 3: leave Aberdeen, and then I walk into a Celtic dressing
26:38
Speaker 3: room exact same. So you see, I think that's where
26:44
Speaker 3: you get experience and your your knowledge as well. You know,
26:50
Speaker 3: should you know how you played, you know how that
26:52
Speaker 3: team played. But the modern day game, there's different managers,
26:56
Speaker 3: were different philosophies.
26:59
Speaker 2: Is you dipped your twenty management? Did you know?
27:04
Speaker 3: I did? I I didn't find that brilliant. It was great,
27:07
Speaker 3: it was great. I went to Clyde and I was
27:10
Speaker 3: over in Australia to be fair, and I came back
27:14
Speaker 3: and did my my badgies and moust I was here.
27:17
Speaker 3: I got offered the job at Clyde, so.
27:21
Speaker 2: I still be you in charge.
27:22
Speaker 3: When I was there, myself and Graham Roberts were offered
27:30
Speaker 3: the job at the same time, so I couldn't have
27:33
Speaker 3: two managers. It was a strange set up anyway that
27:38
Speaker 3: says I'd go. There was no players whisoever there. I
27:41
Speaker 3: had to rebuild a whole club, even getting youths in,
27:46
Speaker 3: no players with fever, nothing, So I tell trials. I
27:49
Speaker 3: did something over a serious. I've had trials and we've
27:52
Speaker 3: got to be two thousand boys through the door, just
27:55
Speaker 3: having a look at them and bounce games. And then
27:58
Speaker 3: I contacted all the p f a is it been
28:00
Speaker 3: released and gave him a second chance, second opportunity. It
28:04
Speaker 3: was all guys that I knew for the clubs and said,
28:07
Speaker 3: displays a good gee, this is a good gene, he's
28:09
Speaker 3: not bad, and put them all together and Tommy.
28:13
Speaker 2: Harris and my pal to Tommy play.
28:17
Speaker 3: It was great, brilliant was but they ended up selling
28:22
Speaker 3: quite a few of them. And also the one the
28:24
Speaker 3: cup never won the Cup. They go to the first
28:27
Speaker 3: final and fifty years and we were second in the
28:32
Speaker 3: league first division, hoping for promotion really used a few
28:37
Speaker 3: years was a few years no, and then either was
28:42
Speaker 3: I there was. I got interviewed for the mother Will joke,
28:46
Speaker 3: and then things happen in the game hereafterwards your luck
28:53
Speaker 3: turns and I think it offered jobs that living Stone
28:57
Speaker 3: and then I go offered the job, but mother Will
28:59
Speaker 3: you know, like we've done a as well, read Dundee
29:01
Speaker 3: as well. Spoke to them and then I was down south.
29:06
Speaker 3: But there was ones that wanted sure about taking it.
29:09
Speaker 3: Was there for me, Yeah, I never bought it, and
29:12
Speaker 3: I just drew a line in the sand and wanted
29:14
Speaker 3: a break fit and then I never went back to it.
29:17
Speaker 3: I mean a lot of people say issue and I
29:19
Speaker 3: walked away and all that kind of thing, but I
29:20
Speaker 3: just I was puffed out because I went straight face
29:22
Speaker 3: football right and there was no break I mean, I was,
29:30
Speaker 3: as I said, playing in the first team sixteen years
29:32
Speaker 3: away right through I'm in my forties and I had
29:35
Speaker 3: a break, so I was. I was just puffed out.
29:39
Speaker 3: I knew I was, but I enjoyed the management. It
29:42
Speaker 3: was great, great spirit, one of my boys, and yeah
29:45
Speaker 3: I was. I actually just did things that I got
29:48
Speaker 3: showing a fee.
29:49
Speaker 2: Yeah you take the good and bad thay you used
29:53
Speaker 2: the good.
29:53
Speaker 3: Guy and I just went and I was a negative.
29:57
Speaker 3: I never wanted to be a negative marriage and be defensive,
30:00
Speaker 3: encourage the players to have beat players. I was a
30:02
Speaker 3: player that wanted to take somebody on and I told
30:04
Speaker 3: every single player go take the month. I wanted the
30:06
Speaker 3: people in the stand to be excited and so long
30:10
Speaker 3: as I was set up pretty rigid, that's how we
30:12
Speaker 3: got great results. We beat Celtic obviously and also done
30:17
Speaker 3: well go the first Cup final, and we also took
30:20
Speaker 3: Rangers the extra time at Ibrok and they were gonna
30:23
Speaker 3: they were they were going to manage to get an
30:25
Speaker 3: equalizer and took it the extra time and then we
30:28
Speaker 3: go beating extra time. Just the legs had gone for
30:31
Speaker 3: the young boys. But just shows you they were the
30:35
Speaker 3: positivity the youth and don't having any fear. Johnny taking
30:41
Speaker 3: on Celtic and Rangers.
30:43
Speaker 2: Well mate, you've been a fantastic guest.
30:45
Speaker 3: Well I know you're dying to go and get a
30:47
Speaker 3: beer and Bie Maguire one of us. Thanks again, you
30:51
Speaker 3: very much