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The Kenny Report | 10 February · The Kenny Report

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Speaker 1: Line from the Skying New Center. This is the Kenny Report.
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Speaker 1: Welcome to another week on the Kenny Report.
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Speaker 2: Tonight, the Albanesi government facing grim news on a number
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Speaker 2: of fronts as voters in the suburbs turn their backs
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Speaker 2: on Labor. I'll speak to the former Labour MP who
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Speaker 2: succeeded in his mission to defeat the Greens. He's got
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Speaker 2: a message for the major parties, and I'll pick the
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Speaker 2: brains of former Labour Senator John Black when it comes
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Speaker 2: to the polls and.
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Speaker 1: The looming federal election.
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Speaker 2: Also the sickening hostage deals and the disgusting treatment of
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Speaker 2: Israelis at the hands of Hummas. Dave Sharma will join
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Speaker 2: me later too, and with Gematon Uni and Caroline Russo
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Speaker 2: will have a look at the Western Australian election and
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Speaker 2: Donald Trump at the Super Bowl as an Aussie makes history.
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Speaker 1: Let's get into it.
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Speaker 2: It is a bleak day for the Albanesi Labor government
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Speaker 2: on a number of fronts. The Prime Minister and Labor
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Speaker 2: are facing bad news and challenges at home and abroad,
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Speaker 2: and in a strange twist of fate, they all have
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Speaker 2: a common thread and that thread is Kevin Rudd. Currently
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Speaker 2: Australia's ambassador to the US. Let's start with one gift
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Speaker 2: that Rudd left the nation when he was Prime Minister.
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Speaker 2: I think it was his only achievement actually, but it's
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Speaker 2: an important one. When Rudd delivered that famous apology to
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Speaker 2: Stolen Generations in two thousand.
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Speaker 1: And eight, he did something very wise.
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Speaker 2: He decreed that every year the Parliament would receive a
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Speaker 2: report on Closing the Gap.
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Speaker 1: This is like an annual audit of.
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Speaker 2: Whether the health standards, education and employment outcomes, housing access,
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Speaker 2: and even life expectancy for Indigenous Australians are all getting
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Speaker 2: closer to those of non Indigenous Australians. This year's Closing
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Speaker 2: the Gap Report was delivered today and only five of
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Speaker 2: the nineteen targets are on track. In other words, in
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Speaker 2: fourteen of the nineteen target areas, this nation is failing
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Speaker 2: on its promise. Having mangled the Indigenous voice, the Albenzi
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Speaker 2: government is also failing on the practical measures.
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Speaker 3: It is about ensuring that all Australians get the same
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Speaker 3: chance in life. It is about working towards the reality
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Speaker 3: in which all Australians have power over their own destiny.
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Speaker 3: It's about living the reality of the fair go that
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Speaker 3: we proclaim as an important part of the Australian sense
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Speaker 3: of ourselves.
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Speaker 4: In one of the most important passages of his speech,
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Speaker 4: Prime Minister Rudd said, Australians are.
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Speaker 1: A passionate lot. We're also a very practical lot.
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Speaker 5: For us.
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Speaker 4: Symbolism is important, but unless the great symbolism of reconciliation
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Speaker 4: is accompanied by an even greater substance, it is little
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Speaker 4: more than a clanging gong.
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Speaker 1: Pretty sobering stuff, haye.
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Speaker 2: The other huge policy challenge throwing at the Albanese labor
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Speaker 2: today was the announcement by US President Donald Trump that
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Speaker 2: all steel and aluminum imports to the US will be
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Speaker 2: hit by a twenty five percent tariff. This could be
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Speaker 2: a heavy blow to Australian exporters. It's a policy Trump
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Speaker 2: enacted the first time he was president, when Australia managed
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Speaker 2: to negotiate an exemption from those tariffs. But that was
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Speaker 2: under a coalition government and our ambassador then was Joe Hockey,
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Speaker 2: who was tight enough.
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Speaker 1: With Trump to play golf with him.
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Speaker 2: This time we have ALBERNISI and his ambassador Kevin Rudd,
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Speaker 2: and both are on the record mocking and abusing Trump.
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Speaker 2: Rudd got under Trump's nose apparently last month and shook
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Speaker 2: his hand or something, but he hasn't had a proper
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Speaker 2: meeting with him, while the Prime Minister hasn't even spoken
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Speaker 2: to the President since Trump's re election last year. So
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Speaker 2: at a precarious and crucial time for our US relations,
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Speaker 2: Alberanize looks to be on the outer with the US
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Speaker 2: US President and he's relying on his mate Rudd as
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Speaker 2: the ambassador in Washington, even though this is all Trump
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Speaker 2: has ever said about Rudd.
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Speaker 1: I heard it was a little bit nasty here.
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Speaker 6: He's not the Brothers Bob, but I don't know much
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Speaker 6: about him. But if he's at all hostile, he will
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Speaker 6: not be there long.
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Speaker 2: Makes you wonder how long Australia can afford to keep
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Speaker 2: Kevin Rudd in that job, doesn't it? After copying heat
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Speaker 2: in Parliament today, Albanezy declared that he's now got a
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Speaker 2: phone call scheduled with Trump.
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Speaker 3: I have a discussion with President Trump scheduled and I
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Speaker 3: will certainly keep the House and the Australian people informed
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Speaker 3: after that discussion.
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Speaker 2: Would you like to be a fly on the wall
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Speaker 2: for that one? And that brings me to the third
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Speaker 2: bit of bad news for Labor today and in the
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Speaker 2: political sense, this is the toughest news, toughest news for
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Speaker 2: the prime minister. Labour is on the nose big time
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Speaker 2: with mainstream voters, the people in the outer suburbs or
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Speaker 2: mortgage belt areas where elections are won and lost, and
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Speaker 2: Labour is on the nose, in particular in Victoria where
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Speaker 2: the next federal election could be won or lost. This
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Speaker 2: was shown up in two Victorian state by elections on
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Speaker 2: the weekend where the Liberals are within striking distance in
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Speaker 2: the normally safe Labor seat of Werribee and in the
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Speaker 2: inner city seat of Pran whether Liberals have taken a
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Speaker 2: seat from the Greens. This trend has also been shown
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Speaker 2: up in polling by the Red Bridge Group that shows
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Speaker 2: Labour's support has dropped to just twenty seven percent in
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Speaker 2: outer suburban areas.
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Speaker 1: Now that polling is disastrous.
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Speaker 2: Remember Labor got elected with a record low primary vote
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Speaker 2: last time and now they're going backwards in crucial areas.
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Speaker 2: The way the polls and the issues are trending, Anthony
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Speaker 2: Albanese he could be the first prime minister of the
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Speaker 2: postwar era to lose government after just one term. And
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Speaker 2: you might be wondering where is the Kevin ruddlink in
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Speaker 2: this problem? Well, the point is that Alberanizi is going
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Speaker 2: so badly as leader. He's weak, he's off message, he's cranky,
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Speaker 2: and he's taking in the polls and it's all been
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Speaker 2: unraveling over many many months, as we've detailed on this program,
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Speaker 2: and ordinarily in these circumstances, Labour would have knifed him.
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Speaker 2: They would have changed leaders late last year probably, but
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Speaker 2: remember Rudd changed the rules as part of his deal.
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Speaker 2: When he returned for his second stint as Prime Minister,
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Speaker 2: Rudd insisted on.
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Speaker 1: New leadership rules.
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Speaker 2: It's now almost impossible to change leader unless the leader
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Speaker 2: agrees to go and the caucus unites behind a replacement unchallenged.
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Speaker 2: If there's a contest, then the whole party membership gets
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Speaker 2: a vote, which would take.
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Speaker 1: Weeks and favor of the Socialists left anyway.
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Speaker 2: So now as the Labor Party has gone backwards month
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Speaker 2: after month under Albo's listless leadership, they've known they're stuck
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Speaker 2: with Albanizi and they've got Kevin Rudd to thank for that.
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Speaker 2: Labour's self made energy crisis is not getting any better either.
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Speaker 2: In fact, there's one place where the Trump steel tariffs
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Speaker 2: and labour's energy self harm are intersecting, and the outlook
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Speaker 2: is bleak. Another major green hydrogen project looks like biting
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Speaker 2: the dust, and the future of a whole industrial city
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Speaker 2: could again lie in the balance. That city is Whyalah
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Speaker 2: in South Australia, once threatened by the carbon tax, a
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Speaker 2: threat that was infamously mocked by labor, nor why Allah
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Speaker 2: wipe out there on my TV?
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Speaker 1: Nor why a whitebout there on my TV?
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Speaker 2: Nor Wayalah white about there on my TV, shocking me
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Speaker 2: right out of my brain, shocking me right out of
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Speaker 2: my brain.
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Speaker 1: Where do they get them from?
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Speaker 2: Hey? But the fact is that the still town of
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Speaker 2: Wala is facing an as extential crisis. Again initially saved
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Speaker 2: by British businessman son Jeev Gupta.
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Speaker 1: The local steel works has struggled.
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Speaker 2: On and off over the past year and is losing
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Speaker 2: money and much stock has been placed in a future
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Speaker 2: green hydrogen plan with still to be produced from the hydrogen.
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Speaker 2: Here's what South Australia's Labor Premier, Peter Melanowsk has said
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Speaker 2: about the plan just last year.
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Speaker 7: You would be aware that we are investing in hundreds
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Speaker 7: of millions of dollars into what will be one of
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Speaker 7: the world's largest hydroen and production facilities in the Upper
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Speaker 7: Spence of Gulf. We have a hydrogen power plant attached
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Speaker 7: to the High Yen jobs plan, so that we have
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Speaker 7: an immediate customer for the hydrogen.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, six hundred million dollars from taxpayers is on the
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Speaker 2: table to make this thing work. But now after the
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Speaker 2: multi billion dollar Gladstone Green hydrogen project in Queensland has
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Speaker 2: bitten the dust, along with multi billion dollar projects from
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Speaker 2: Woodside Energy four to Eskew Origin and AHL.
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Speaker 1: Well, after all.
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Speaker 2: These hydrogen projects have fallen over despite the promise of
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Speaker 2: billions of dollars in taxpayer subsidies. Well, it looks like
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Speaker 2: the Wyala project is on the way out too. The
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Speaker 2: steel Works or GfG, has stopped paying many of its bills,
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Speaker 2: with local small businesses caught short. The state government is
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Speaker 2: running out of patients with its steel and hydrogen manufacturing partner,
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Speaker 2: and even the ABC is starting to pay attention.
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Speaker 8: But there's growing doubt sober plans for green energy and
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Speaker 8: to high drid plant for Whyala With news the town
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Speaker 8: still works owner GfG Alliance is facing issues at it's
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Speaker 8: mine in New South Wales, bills go on.
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Speaker 1: Paid and another mine is putting care and maintenance.
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Speaker 9: Look, we are getting very concerned.
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Speaker 2: Rubbing salt into the wounds of Wyala residents, small business
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Speaker 2: owners and the state government. There is the fact that
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Speaker 2: Gupta is nowhere to be seen. The Adelaide Advertisers front
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Speaker 2: page resembled a wanted poster for the billionaire today and
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Speaker 2: while Wyala frets over its future and small businesses languish unpaid,
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Speaker 2: Gupta has won approval for a ten million dollar renovation
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Speaker 2: of his thirty four million dollar Sydney mansion. The South
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Speaker 2: Australian Premier is trying to reassure the people of Wyala.
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Speaker 9: And I just wanted to reassure everyone on the ground
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Speaker 9: in Whyala, as hopefully you've heard from recent visits, Eye
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Speaker 9: and other ministers have made up there that the Saturs
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Speaker 9: Train Company is all in on this. We have been
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Speaker 9: working for months now preparing and planning for any number
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Speaker 9: of scenarios with GfG and mister Kupta.
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Speaker 2: What a mess for Wala again looking at the wipeout
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Speaker 2: that others have so often scoffed at, and for the
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Speaker 2: rest of the country It's just another example of how
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Speaker 2: the green hydrogen revolution and all the billions of taxpayers
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Speaker 2: dollars thrown at it, well, it's just not commercial, it's
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Speaker 2: not viable, and it's not going to happen because it's
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Speaker 2: more about politics and ideology than it is about physics,
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Speaker 2: engineering and economics. Yet this is the nonsense we get
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Speaker 2: from Climate and Energy Minister Chris Bowen. Spare say, and yeah,
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Speaker 2: renewable energy is up, but power prices are higher than
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Speaker 2: they've ever been and energy reliability is worse than it's
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Speaker 2: ever been. You'd think that Chris Bowen could join those dots,
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Speaker 2: and no wonder Bowen and Labor are into dinosaur movies
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Speaker 2: because they continue to reject the one modern, safe and
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Speaker 2: reliable form of emissions free electricity, nuclear energy. Yep, they
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Speaker 2: are the energy dinosaurs. Now, before we go onto a
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Speaker 2: program that'll be pretty heavy on national politics, I want
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Speaker 2: to mention what we've been seeing unfold in the Middle East.
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Speaker 2: The sickening hostage exchange deals have continued. I find it
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Speaker 2: hard to stomach the depraved way that Israel has been
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Speaker 2: forced to release dozens of terrorists and murderers for every
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Speaker 2: innocent hostage freed by Hummas, and so on the weekend,
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Speaker 2: three more hostages were released. Innocent men who'd been robbed
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Speaker 2: of more than a year of their lives obviously have
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Speaker 2: suffered horrible cruelty, and now when they were freed, they
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Speaker 2: were paraded around by masked Hummus terrorists, made to make
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Speaker 2: public statements, used as proper gander tools right up to
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Speaker 2: their final moments in captivity. One of the men, Eli Sharabi,
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Speaker 2: who was kidnapped from a kibbutz on October the seventh,
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Speaker 2: twenty twenty three, he even told the crowd he was
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Speaker 2: looking forward to seeing his family. Obviously, the monsters from
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Speaker 2: Hummas hadn't told him that they'd killed his wife and
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Speaker 2: his two eighteenage children in the October the seventh massacre,
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Speaker 2: and his brother Yossi, who was also kidnapped, had been
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Speaker 2: killed in captivity. None of us can imagine the pain.
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Speaker 2: This is an ongoing atrocity by Hummus. Every day their
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Speaker 2: crimes against humanity continue, and it's made worse by the
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Speaker 2: celebrations as hundreds.
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Speaker 1: Of terrorists are released.
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Speaker 2: So much of the warped media coverage offers her false
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Speaker 2: equivalence between the innocent hostages and the terrorist prisoners.
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Speaker 1: They even relay complaints from.
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Speaker 2: The terrorists about their treatment in Israeli prisons.
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Speaker 1: Spare us.
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Speaker 2: I want to remind you about the Bebas family. Young
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Speaker 2: mother Shii Bibas and her two little boys, Ariel just
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Speaker 2: four years old and Kafir just nine months old, were
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Speaker 2: kidnapped by Hummus terrorists on October the seventh of twenty
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Speaker 2: twenty three, and they were taken to Gaza. Shiri's parents
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Speaker 2: were slaughtered and her husband, Yarden, was also taken hostage.
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Speaker 2: Yarden was released in one of these hostage deals two
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Speaker 2: weeks ago, but what of his wife and those two
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Speaker 2: beautiful baby boys.
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Speaker 1: We don't really know. Although it's believed they are.
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Speaker 2: Dead, Humas claims they were killed in bombardments during the war,
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Speaker 2: not long after they were taken hostage.
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Speaker 1: The idea that these.
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Speaker 2: Children and their mother are dead after being kidnapped in
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Speaker 2: such a sick and callous way by these terrorists, well
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Speaker 2: it's just as depraved as anything you could imagine, and
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Speaker 2: we must never forget them. Humas are clearly still in
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Speaker 2: control in Gaza. They're now happy to parade with their
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Speaker 2: green bandanas and ak forty sevens. While a ceasefire is
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Speaker 2: in place, they're out of their civilian clothes, but they
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Speaker 2: dare not show their faces. They still hold dozens of
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Speaker 2: hostages and the bodies of dozens of dead hostages. They
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Speaker 2: are monstrous and they need to be eliminated. Donald Trump
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Speaker 2: says the treatment of the hostages is disgraceful.
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Speaker 6: People that were healthy people a reasonably short number of
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Speaker 6: years ago, and you look at them today, they look
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Speaker 6: like they've aged twenty five years. They literally look like
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Speaker 6: the old pictures of Holocaust survivor. It's the same thing,
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Speaker 6: I mean, the same thing.
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Speaker 1: And I don't know how long we're going to take that.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Trump says this is testing his patience and while
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Speaker 2: he's still still talking about rebuilding Gaza, all that seems
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Speaker 2: a long way off. The point is that Gaza is
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Speaker 2: clearly still run by the Islamus terrorists of Hummus and
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Speaker 2: that can't stand, which is why it's hard to imagine
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Speaker 2: this cease fire holding in the long term. This Go
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Speaker 2: live to Canberra now and catch up with a Victorian
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Speaker 2: Liberal MP, Zoe Mackenzie.
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Speaker 1: Zoey good to talk to you.
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Speaker 2: I want to get your quick reaction to what's happened
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Speaker 2: in the state by elections on the weekend.
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Speaker 1: Possibly the Liberals look still looks possible.
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Speaker 2: You could wear a bebe Certainly you've picked up Pran
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Speaker 2: from the Greens.
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Speaker 1: Do you take encouragement from this.
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Speaker 9: Look?
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Speaker 5: I do.
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Speaker 10: I think our two candidates there, Rachel west Away and
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Speaker 10: Steve Murphy, were fantastic. I've watched Rachel's campaign. She's been
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Speaker 10: a friend for years. She worked her guts out to
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Speaker 10: get that enormous swing away from the Greens in particular,
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Speaker 10: not disassociated Massa from the conversation you've just been happening
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Speaker 10: about having about in the Middle East, but she really
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Speaker 10: focused on Keys.
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Speaker 5: She's for that area, law and order.
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Speaker 10: She's done a great job to get that back for
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Speaker 10: the Liberal Party. It's been a long time since we've
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Speaker 10: held it and where it be again really promising results.
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Speaker 10: Wait and see what happens in the final count and
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Speaker 10: we've got a lot of people outscrewt nearing today, so fingers.
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Speaker 5: Cross that that will land the right way.
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Speaker 10: But either way, a clear message to the Andrews Allen
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Speaker 10: government that people have had enough of labor. It's been
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Speaker 10: a woeful government. The state is up to its eyeballs
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Speaker 10: in debt. The most common question I'm asked these days
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Speaker 10: around business tables is what on earth is the Commonwealth
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Speaker 10: government going to do.
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Speaker 5: To bail out Victoria?
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Speaker 10: As though we could, and so everyone's really keen to
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Speaker 10: see a change of government in that state.
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Speaker 5: We desperate to need it. And so the weekend's a
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Speaker 5: very good start.
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Speaker 2: Just on pran though. Yes, a good win by the Liberals.
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Speaker 2: But one of the reasons you won is because the
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Speaker 2: former Labor candidate Tony Lupton, who I'll speak to later
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Speaker 2: in the program, ran to took a lot of those
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Speaker 2: Labor votes obviously, and.
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Speaker 1: He preferenced the Liberals ahead of the Greens.
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Speaker 2: He says, this is what Labor and the Liberals should do,
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Speaker 2: preference each other to exclude the Greens. Can you see
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Speaker 2: the Liberals doing that around the country the next federal election.
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Speaker 10: Well, I think that it's worth considering. The Greens have
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Speaker 10: been an absolute disgrace economically. They've always been a disgrace,
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Speaker 10: but in particular in the last few years in relation
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Speaker 10: to what we've seen about their commentary on the Middle.
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Speaker 11: East and their views and their representations towards Jewish Australians,
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Speaker 11: which have been nothing short of horrific and in relation
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Speaker 11: to their alliance willingness to appear one might say with
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Speaker 11: the CFMU, particularly when the CFMU was in the throes
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Speaker 11: of allegations regarding Bakie's and others. So I think we
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Speaker 11: need to be clear that the Greens are the kind
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Speaker 11: of wreckers of the Australian democracy and have a good
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Speaker 11: hard look at where they should sit. And frankly Labour
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Speaker 11: needs to as well. That Labor might preference Greens in
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Speaker 11: exchange for preferences back is disgrace given the way they
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Speaker 11: have behaved.
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Speaker 2: Now, you have a very strong professional background in global trade,
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Speaker 2: so I want to show you this latest comment from
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Speaker 2: US President Donald Trump and get your reaction.
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Speaker 1: Here's the President.
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Speaker 12: Any steel coming into the United States is going to
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Speaker 12: have a twenty five percent tariff. US Steel was one
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Speaker 12: of our great companies and through a lot of stupidity
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Speaker 12: and bad government and also bad management of the company,
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Speaker 12: it lost that luster. But it's going to get in
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Speaker 12: it back and tariffs are going to help. Tariffs are
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Speaker 12: going to make it very successful again.
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Speaker 2: Zoe, Is Australia going to get hurt by these tariffs?
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Speaker 2: Or can Kevin Rudd win an exemption the way that
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Speaker 2: Joe Hockey did well.
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Speaker 10: To be fair, this is an issue that's very close
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Speaker 10: to my heart on a couple of fronts. You're right, yes,
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Speaker 10: I was chief of staff to a trade minister when
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Speaker 10: we did the deals with China, Japan, South Korea, Transpacific
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Speaker 10: Partnership started, Indonesia, started India, and indeed started the EU.
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Speaker 10: Our trade relationship with the United States has always been
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Speaker 10: one that's particularly beneficial to the US, and I know
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Speaker 10: that did indeed have an impact last time, but that's
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Speaker 10: because we had Joe Hockey and Arthur Sinadinas in the
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Speaker 10: chair through the Trump administration. Good luck Kevin Rudd. You
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Speaker 10: might recall there was some contention when Trump was re
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Speaker 10: elected as to whether he felt what did he call
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Speaker 10: him a dim bowl or something or a nasty man.
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Speaker 5: It was not particularly.
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Speaker 2: Nasty, not very But Joe Hockey told me when I
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Speaker 2: was in Washington last month that Kevin runs been learning
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Speaker 2: how to play golf, so that'll sort.
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Speaker 1: It for him.
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Speaker 10: Well, he's probably got a lot more than golf to
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Speaker 10: work on. May I say between now and then, because
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Speaker 10: it's absolutely critical for Australian industry that we get exempted
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Speaker 10: from that. To some extent, Bluescope, which is in my electorate,
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Speaker 10: has some degree of protection because it's really active.
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Speaker 5: In the American market.
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Speaker 10: So that is a good thing and it will benefit
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Speaker 10: from the fact that obviously American steel works will be protected.
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Speaker 10: But nevertheless, we do want to see that Australia, as
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Speaker 10: a critical defense partner in particular with the United States,
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Speaker 10: is exempted from these tariffs. And as I said, Kevin
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Speaker 10: has got his work cut out for him spot on.
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Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us, I appreciate it, and Kevin rud
21:52
Speaker 2: on this issue.
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Speaker 1: We're all on your side. Good luck, Cobber.
21:57
Speaker 2: Now, the by election in Pran that I just mentioned
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Speaker 2: be a harbinger of election battles to come.
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Speaker 1: We might hope the.
22:03
Speaker 2: Liberals took the seat, as we just said, from the Greens,
22:07
Speaker 2: largely because of Labor voters. The ALP didn't run an
22:11
Speaker 2: official candidate, but the former Labor member Tony Lupton ran
22:15
Speaker 2: as an independent and he preferenced the Liberals ahead of
22:19
Speaker 2: the Greens, effectively killing the Greens off. Lupton is proud
22:25
Speaker 2: of his work and he joins me live from Melbourne.
22:28
Speaker 2: Good to talk to you, Tony, and congratulations. I got
22:31
Speaker 2: no qualms about saying that. I mean, I think you
22:34
Speaker 2: thought you were doing the work of the Angels in
22:37
Speaker 2: trying to kill off the Greens, and I agree with you,
22:39
Speaker 2: and well.
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Speaker 1: Done, well, thank you, Chris. It was a terrific resultant.
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Speaker 13: We're very, very pleased with the outcam getting rid of
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Speaker 13: one potential Green from the Victorian Parliament as a community service.
22:52
Speaker 1: You're a labor man through and through though that's.
22:54
Speaker 2: Where you're obviously your loyalties lie in democrats, socialism, democratics, socialism,
23:01
Speaker 2: the ideals of the Labor Party, But you still think
23:04
Speaker 2: you'd rather see it.
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Speaker 1: In liberal hands than Green hands.
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Speaker 13: Well, yes, I'd prefer the term social democrat, Chris. But yes,
23:13
Speaker 13: I think the worst possible outcome is having Green's members
23:16
Speaker 13: of Parliament, because it gives this fringe ideological group a
23:21
Speaker 13: stature that they really don't deserve and gives a platform
23:26
Speaker 13: to the kinds of outlandish economic ideas, the outlandish social ideas,
23:34
Speaker 13: and the kind of social division that we've seen that
23:38
Speaker 13: they've been stoking since October seventh, and they've played a
23:43
Speaker 13: very bad role in the terrible rise of anti Semitism
23:49
Speaker 13: since then.
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Speaker 2: Yes, spot on they're not very impressed with your efforts.
23:53
Speaker 2: Here's the Victorian leader of the Greens.
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Speaker 14: Obviously, it's not the result that we had hopes for.
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Speaker 14: We had a situation where the former Labor MP and
24:02
Speaker 14: unofficial Labour candidate final preferences to the Liberal Party.
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Speaker 15: That's what's made the difference.
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Speaker 5: This time.
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Speaker 2: She's blaming you, and you'd be happy to take the credit.
24:13
Speaker 1: Obviously.
24:14
Speaker 2: The big question here is whether the Labor Party can
24:18
Speaker 2: do this officially and nationally because so many Labor MPs,
24:23
Speaker 2: in fact, the overwhelming majority of them get into federal
24:26
Speaker 2: Parliament obviously most of the state parliaments as well on
24:29
Speaker 2: Green's preferences.
24:32
Speaker 13: I think one of the most interesting things to come
24:35
Speaker 13: out of Saturday's by election, Chris, was the fact that
24:38
Speaker 13: of the people who voted for me, seventy percent of
24:41
Speaker 13: them preference the Liberal Party over the Greens. And I
24:46
Speaker 13: would say that nearly all of those people who voted
24:49
Speaker 13: for me are traditionally Labor voters, and that should send
24:53
Speaker 13: a very strong message to the Labor Party, both at
24:55
Speaker 13: a state and federal level, that Labor voters themselves are
25:00
Speaker 13: getting sick and tired of in certain ways assisting the
25:06
Speaker 13: Greens to have representation in our parliaments. Those people obviously
25:12
Speaker 13: wanted to rid Peran of the Greens, and the Labor
25:16
Speaker 13: Party needs to take notice of it. I don't think
25:18
Speaker 13: that it's a question of people holding their seats because
25:25
Speaker 13: Labor needs to preference the Greens. I think the Labor
25:28
Speaker 13: Party needs to understand that it's losing support across the
25:33
Speaker 13: length and breadth of Australia because of its too close
25:36
Speaker 13: association with the Greens, and it needs to be able
25:39
Speaker 13: to stand for itself and be able to win back
25:42
Speaker 13: enough popular support to form majority governments in its own
25:46
Speaker 13: right without depending on this fringe group.
25:49
Speaker 2: Is there any chance of that happening federally though surely
25:53
Speaker 2: Labor federally relies too strongly on the Greens.
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Speaker 13: What we've seen in the last eight weeks of this
26:02
Speaker 13: Paran by election campaign, Chris.
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Speaker 1: Is the growth of.
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Speaker 13: An organic movement around the idea that the Labor Party
26:10
Speaker 13: needs to put the Greens last as well as the
26:13
Speaker 13: Liberal Party putting the Greens last. And the ongoing campaign
26:18
Speaker 13: that I'm prepared to lead is to put that message
26:23
Speaker 13: loud and clear in front of federal and state labor
26:27
Speaker 13: so that they can't ignore it. It's a matter of principle,
26:30
Speaker 13: but in my view it's also a matter of electoral survival.
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Speaker 1: Well well done, Tony, and all power in that argument.
26:36
Speaker 1: I think it's very very important.
26:37
Speaker 2: Thanks so much for joining us, Tony Lupton. There a
26:40
Speaker 2: former Labor MP independent candidate. You heard him. Both major
26:44
Speaker 2: parties should put the Greens last. Obviously the coalition should,
26:48
Speaker 2: but it might save the Labor Party if they start
26:51
Speaker 2: doing the same thing.
26:52
Speaker 1: Certainly will help the country.
26:53
Speaker 2: Now, coming up after the break, I'm going to talk
26:55
Speaker 2: about labors are full in the polls right across the country.
26:58
Speaker 2: You catch up with former Labor centertor John Black. He
27:01
Speaker 2: is an election expert. Now, as I mentioned, there's some
27:09
Speaker 2: pretty bleak polling for the alban Easy Labor government too
27:12
Speaker 2: by Redbridge Group. It shows Labour's supporters dropped to just
27:16
Speaker 2: twenty seven percent primary vote in out of suburban seats
27:20
Speaker 2: by the coalition a surge to forty six percent in
27:23
Speaker 2: those areas. Let's get some analysis from John Black. He's
27:26
Speaker 2: a former Labour senator. Joins us live from Brisbane. Good
27:29
Speaker 2: to talk to you again, John. These out of suburban
27:33
Speaker 2: areas we used to talk about them in the Howard
27:35
Speaker 2: years is the mortgage built seats, and certainly that's relevant
27:39
Speaker 2: at the moment with interest rates, this surely is where
27:42
Speaker 2: the election is to be won and lost, isn't.
27:44
Speaker 16: It, look Chris, Traditionally it is yes, and I think
27:47
Speaker 16: in this case, because the interest rates are currently quite
27:51
Speaker 16: high compared to what they've been in recent times, then
27:54
Speaker 16: that is the battleground. Yes, it's where you tend to
27:58
Speaker 16: find the marginal seats, and you tend to find I'm young,
28:01
Speaker 16: younger couples with a couple of kids and paying off
28:04
Speaker 16: the first few years of the mortgage for their house.
28:07
Speaker 16: So they're the ones doing the tough and they're the
28:09
Speaker 16: ones who respond first to pressure like this.
28:12
Speaker 2: We've talked previously about news poll which has Labour's primary
28:17
Speaker 2: very low and trailing marginally on two party preferred. With
28:21
Speaker 2: this polling from red Bridge coming in to focus on
28:24
Speaker 2: those out of suburban areas, what do you make of
28:28
Speaker 2: the implications.
28:30
Speaker 16: But what we what we're seeing at the moment is
28:33
Speaker 16: a swing against the Labor Party after preferences of around
28:36
Speaker 16: about three to four percent. It depends a bit on
28:38
Speaker 16: the pole, but the outcome of the election is not
28:41
Speaker 16: going to be determined by a uniform swing because we've
28:44
Speaker 16: never seen one in Australia before and we're not likely
28:46
Speaker 16: to see one again. You see a bell shaped curve
28:49
Speaker 16: of the range of swings, so it's the range of
28:53
Speaker 16: swings is like you'd be about fifteen to twenty percent.
28:55
Speaker 16: So the parties politically are concentrating on the demographics live
29:00
Speaker 16: in those marginal seats and at the moment, the red
29:04
Speaker 16: Bridge polls and a number of the others are starting
29:06
Speaker 16: to identify a major erosional support for the Labor Party
29:10
Speaker 16: in those seats, particularly the stronger Labor ones. And we
29:13
Speaker 16: saw that in wherever we last weekend.
29:16
Speaker 2: Yeah, the Victorian state election obviously on state issues, but
29:20
Speaker 2: the poor tents there for Labor were bad. Here's the
29:24
Speaker 2: Victorian Premier just into allen By.
29:27
Speaker 17: Elections are an opportunity for communities to send their government
29:31
Speaker 17: a message and ask them to do more. What it
29:33
Speaker 17: tells me is that we've got to work harder. Because
29:35
Speaker 17: it also if you look at the results and if
29:37
Speaker 17: you're doing a thorough analysis, the message was sent to
29:42
Speaker 17: all political parties to be better, to do better, to
29:47
Speaker 17: work harder, to be focused on them.
29:49
Speaker 1: Yeah, obviously it's a message to her Labor government.
29:52
Speaker 2: But how much can we extrapolate into the federal arena,
29:55
Speaker 2: John I think.
29:56
Speaker 1: A fair bet.
29:57
Speaker 16: Chris I think both the federal AOLP and victory in
30:00
Speaker 16: the state Alpa on the nose. And that's been a
30:03
Speaker 16: trend that we've seen since about the middle of the
30:05
Speaker 16: Voice referendum. The federal ALP vote has gone down about
30:08
Speaker 16: fifteen percent and it shadowed the decline for the state
30:11
Speaker 16: ALP votes. So there's no doubt that the two are linked.
30:14
Speaker 16: They share common problems in terms of the unpopularity of
30:17
Speaker 16: the respective leaders and basically voters doing are tough, and
30:23
Speaker 16: a perception that they're not getting looked after and that
30:26
Speaker 16: the safest seats in particular are being ignored. What we're
30:30
Speaker 16: picking up is that the strongest swings against the Labor
30:33
Speaker 16: Party are taking place in the booz, where they traditionally
30:36
Speaker 16: get the strongest votes. We model these voters every election
30:40
Speaker 16: and that's the strongest predictor of the swing against the
30:44
Speaker 16: Labor Party former Labor votes. So they're in trouble at
30:47
Speaker 16: a state level and a federal level. In Victoria. Anthony
30:51
Speaker 16: Albanezi can't survive in governments if he loses too many
30:55
Speaker 16: more of these seats in Victoria, and at the moment
30:59
Speaker 16: that's looking likely to be the case.
31:01
Speaker 1: Just quickly.
31:02
Speaker 2: I hope you heard my chat with Tony Lupton urging
31:05
Speaker 2: Labor to preference the Greens last along with the Liberals.
31:09
Speaker 1: Can Labor afford to do that?
31:11
Speaker 2: I mean, I would agree with it as a technic
31:13
Speaker 2: to save the country from the Greens, But what would
31:15
Speaker 2: happen to Labor if they didn't get Green's preferences.
31:19
Speaker 16: Look, I don't think they're likely to do it, Chris,
31:21
Speaker 16: because they're simply not going to take a chance like that,
31:25
Speaker 16: particularly when some of those interurban seats, like the one
31:28
Speaker 16: held by the Prime Minister and a number of other
31:31
Speaker 16: quite senior labor figures are dependent upon Green preferences. That's
31:35
Speaker 16: a noose. They stuck their head into it quite some
31:38
Speaker 16: time ago, and it keeps getting tighter. All the research
31:41
Speaker 16: that I've ever done shows that the combined vote for
31:44
Speaker 16: the Greens and the Labor Party is less than it
31:47
Speaker 16: was before the Greens came on the scene. So the
31:51
Speaker 16: Greens take away more votes from Labor than they give back,
31:54
Speaker 16: but they control nonetheless a couple of key in the
31:57
Speaker 16: city seats. So I can see the liberals doing it,
32:00
Speaker 16: but I can't see.
32:01
Speaker 1: Labor doing Thanks for joining us, John, I appreciate it.
32:04
Speaker 2: John Black there with his appolling and electoral analysis, got
32:07
Speaker 2: to get.
32:08
Speaker 1: To a break.
32:08
Speaker 2: On the other side of that, the jury in Sam
32:10
Speaker 2: Kerr's racial harassment trial has retired today.
32:14
Speaker 1: I'll cross to Sophie Ellsworth in London.
32:21
Speaker 2: Now later today London time jury is going to retire
32:24
Speaker 2: to consider if Ossie soccer star Sam Kerr racially harassed
32:28
Speaker 2: the police officer.
32:29
Speaker 1: Here's a reminder of that incident. Honestly, we are stupid
32:34
Speaker 1: and white.
32:36
Speaker 2: Okay, it's got to London. Catch up with news Corpse
32:44
Speaker 2: Europe correspondent Sophiel's worth, Sophie, it's just an astounding case.
32:48
Speaker 2: Obviously is dominating the news back in Australia.
32:51
Speaker 1: Is it getting much attention in London?
32:56
Speaker 18: It is Chris. Obviously in Australia it's getting far more
32:59
Speaker 18: attention because Sam Kerr. A lot of people probably don't
33:02
Speaker 18: realize in Australia she's actually not a very big name
33:05
Speaker 18: here in the UK. But there are plenty of British
33:08
Speaker 18: media in the courtroom. The courtroom has been packed every
33:12
Speaker 18: single day, Chris, and today's day six, so we will
33:15
Speaker 18: hear from other defense the Grace Forbes, Miss Kerr's defense Barrista.
33:22
Speaker 18: We will hear from her today. She will give her
33:24
Speaker 18: closing arguments and then the jury will be sent off
33:28
Speaker 18: to deliberate. Now we expect a decision to be handed
33:31
Speaker 18: down around lunchtime today, which is in the wee hours
33:35
Speaker 18: of the morning in Australia. So, Chris, this is going
33:38
Speaker 18: to be really interesting whichever way at falls.
33:41
Speaker 1: But I can.
33:42
Speaker 18: Assure you there'll be a very nervous cer camp. They've
33:45
Speaker 18: been running in and out of court each time they
33:47
Speaker 18: arrive each day, and they'll be hoping that this finishes today.
33:51
Speaker 1: Yeah.
33:51
Speaker 2: I mean, obviously her fame makes it a big story,
33:54
Speaker 2: but as you say, it's going to have big ramifications
33:57
Speaker 2: either way because of the racism or anti racism, some
34:00
Speaker 2: reverse racism, whatever.
34:01
Speaker 1: You want to call it. A play here, I just
34:04
Speaker 1: want to.
34:04
Speaker 2: Show you something that our Sports Minister Anika Wells said today.
34:07
Speaker 1: Have at looked.
34:09
Speaker 19: I think it has been a rocky road for Sam
34:12
Speaker 19: and her partner. The more we find out about that incident,
34:15
Speaker 19: I think the more you can understand why they've acted.
34:18
Speaker 5: The way that they have.
34:20
Speaker 19: But being an explayer myself, I would never seek to
34:23
Speaker 19: interfere or comment on a court trial.
34:24
Speaker 5: Process whilst it's in action.
34:26
Speaker 19: But I think Australia certainly has Sam certainly has Australia
34:30
Speaker 19: behind her fowl.
34:32
Speaker 2: Now I've got to tell you, I was listening to
34:33
Speaker 2: talk about radio today Sophie Now a lot of people saying,
34:37
Speaker 2: no way, We're not on Sam Kurz side. We think
34:40
Speaker 2: she've behaved appallingly and there's the sports Minister basically making
34:44
Speaker 2: excuses for her.
34:47
Speaker 18: Christ's sports Minister is not sitting inside that courtroom and
34:50
Speaker 18: she is not her testimony from start to finish, and
34:54
Speaker 18: I think that is incredibly ill advised her coming out
34:57
Speaker 18: and making these statements in the middle of a very
35:00
Speaker 18: important court trial. So let's just reserve our judgments, let's
35:04
Speaker 18: reserve our views and see what happens. But there is
35:08
Speaker 18: definitely talk here. There was shocked by some of the
35:10
Speaker 18: British press that Chris Mins also came out the New
35:13
Speaker 18: South Wales premiere in support of Sam Kurse. So I
35:17
Speaker 18: think everyone should just hold their horses and wait to
35:20
Speaker 18: see what the jury decide.
35:22
Speaker 5: Today.
35:23
Speaker 2: Just a quick one, I've got to get your thoughts
35:25
Speaker 2: on this. Donald Trump has come out in support of
35:28
Speaker 2: Prince Harry, saying he's not going to sort of try
35:30
Speaker 2: and have him deported over those claims that he might
35:32
Speaker 2: have hit his record with drugs, and he's told the
35:35
Speaker 2: New York Posts, I'll leave him alone.
35:36
Speaker 1: He's got enough problems with his wife. She's terrible. What
35:41
Speaker 1: are the problems making of that?
35:44
Speaker 18: Well, they just are not making the headlines here like
35:47
Speaker 18: they used to, Chris. But obviously whenever Trump talks about
35:50
Speaker 18: Meghan and Harry, it does make headlines, but they're just
35:54
Speaker 18: almost becoming irrelevant here in the UK. People don't like
35:58
Speaker 18: Prince Harry. That's well known. But I will be pretty
36:02
Speaker 18: surprised if Prince Harry and Meghan Markel come out and
36:05
Speaker 18: say much about Trump.
36:06
Speaker 9: Now.
36:07
Speaker 18: They know he has the bigger megaphone, so I expect
36:09
Speaker 18: them to say very little about the US President.
36:12
Speaker 2: I think it would be good advice for them to
36:15
Speaker 2: keep a low profile, but that's something they say they
36:18
Speaker 2: find impossible.
36:19
Speaker 1: I think thanks for joining us, Sophie. I appreciate it.
36:21
Speaker 2: Good luck covering that courtcase as the day unfolds in London.
36:24
Speaker 2: Sophie's with their live in London. I want to go
36:27
Speaker 2: back down to Canberra now and catch up with a
36:29
Speaker 2: Liberal senator and former Australian Ambassador to Israel, Dave Sharma.
36:34
Speaker 1: Dave, good to talk to you again.
36:36
Speaker 2: I want to start on the Middle East, and I
36:38
Speaker 2: opened my program lamenting this repugnant parade we're seeing of
36:43
Speaker 2: hostages released. Obviously, they've obviously been mistreated, they've obviously been
36:49
Speaker 2: through health for almost a year and a half, paraded
36:52
Speaker 2: around by masked terrorists with AK forty sevens and some
36:57
Speaker 2: sort of moral equivalents played by some people, with hundreds
37:01
Speaker 2: of terrorists released from Israeli prisons. I mean, this is
37:06
Speaker 2: horrible to see unfold and play out. And it's not
37:10
Speaker 2: surprising that even President Trump is now saying that he's
37:13
Speaker 2: he's losing patience with this.
37:15
Speaker 1: Do we just have to put up with this? Or
37:17
Speaker 1: they or they can?
37:18
Speaker 2: Can they sort this out and just get the hostages
37:20
Speaker 2: back once.
37:21
Speaker 1: And for all.
37:24
Speaker 20: Well, I mean, I think it's been appalling and disgusting,
37:27
Speaker 20: and with each release of hostages, the kind of depraved
37:31
Speaker 20: depths to which Hamas sinks seem to increase further. I mean,
37:36
Speaker 20: not only were these three men clearly mistreated in Malnaris
37:39
Speaker 20: during their time in prison, but then they are all
37:41
Speaker 20: forced to read out statements on a platform in front
37:45
Speaker 20: of a gathered crowd of Hamas fighters. I mean, you know,
37:50
Speaker 20: this is a clear violation of any norms of the
37:53
Speaker 20: laws of war, even to the extent that they extend
37:57
Speaker 20: are holding prisoners. But her Mus seems to be making
37:59
Speaker 20: it more more of a ritualistic humiliation, if you like.
38:03
Speaker 1: I think it's appalling.
38:04
Speaker 20: I think the Red Cross, I mean, I know the
38:05
Speaker 20: Red Cross has called for those involved in the mediation
38:08
Speaker 20: to start treating the prisoners with respect. But I think
38:14
Speaker 20: you know, Israel wants these hostages back, and of course
38:17
Speaker 20: their families want to have them back, And how Musters
38:20
Speaker 20: playing that for all its worth. I mean, the people
38:23
Speaker 20: at Israel's releasing from its jails, were convicted of crimes,
38:27
Speaker 20: have been fed and nourished and treated throughout, given access
38:31
Speaker 20: to exercise, had visits from their family, had visits from
38:34
Speaker 20: the Red Cross. Many of them have benefited from medical
38:37
Speaker 20: treatment while they're there. There is absolutely no equivalents whatsoever
38:40
Speaker 20: between these two types of detainees.
38:44
Speaker 1: Yeah, well said on all of that day. The other point, though,
38:47
Speaker 1: I want to get your.
38:48
Speaker 2: Thoughts on is when we see these despicable, repugnant parades,
38:53
Speaker 2: they demonstrate the US clearly that Hamas are still in control.
38:56
Speaker 2: They're not running around the civilian clothes anymore. They're happy
38:59
Speaker 2: to show themselves as soldiers. And the whole point of
39:03
Speaker 2: the next step for Gaza is making sure that Hamas
39:07
Speaker 2: is not in control. How does that happen without further
39:10
Speaker 2: military action.
39:14
Speaker 20: That's a very difficult question. I mean, look, I share
39:17
Speaker 20: that concern. I've been appalled to see Harmasa's show of strength,
39:20
Speaker 20: which is what it has been with the release of
39:22
Speaker 20: these prisoners. I mean, I think look, part of the
39:26
Speaker 20: answer is contained in Donald Trump's press conference remarks last week,
39:31
Speaker 20: where he called upon the Arab world effectively to do
39:34
Speaker 20: more to eliminate Harmas as a force. I mean, Hamas
39:37
Speaker 20: still is able to operate because of the diplomatic space
39:40
Speaker 20: and financial support that comes to it from the Arab world,
39:43
Speaker 20: because it's still offered a degree of legitimacy by the
39:46
Speaker 20: Arab world. It's fine for Trump and those of us
39:50
Speaker 20: in the West to say her Musk complain no future
39:52
Speaker 20: ole on the governance of Gaza, But we really need
39:56
Speaker 20: the actors that support harmas externally to implement that message
40:01
Speaker 20: as well.
40:01
Speaker 1: Exactly. Yeah, thanks for joining us, Dave. I appreciate it.
40:05
Speaker 2: Liberal Senator for New South Wales Dave Shama there and
40:08
Speaker 2: knows those issues intimately, of course as the former Australian
40:11
Speaker 2: ambassador to Israel.
40:13
Speaker 1: We better take a break on the other side of
40:15
Speaker 1: catch up.
40:15
Speaker 2: With Gemma and Caroline and we're going to talk about
40:18
Speaker 2: the UFC Boss Dana White in Sydney over the weekend,
40:22
Speaker 2: arcing up at the Aussie journalists, he says they're pathetic.
40:26
Speaker 2: Pick it up with Gemma and Caroline. Let's sort the
40:34
Speaker 2: joint out now with Gematon Jini from GT Communications here
40:37
Speaker 2: with me and in the West Caroline are also good
40:40
Speaker 2: to speak to you.
40:40
Speaker 1: Caroline.
40:41
Speaker 2: I'm going to point out to remind people that you're
40:43
Speaker 2: the president of the Liberal Party in Western Australia, so
40:47
Speaker 2: you get a lot on your hands at the moment
40:49
Speaker 2: with the state election underway, and man, there's nowhere.
40:52
Speaker 1: But up for the Liberals over there. Right, you're going
40:54
Speaker 1: to have to do. You're going to have to improve
40:56
Speaker 1: over the next few weeks.
40:58
Speaker 14: Yeah, we are definitely going to have to improve and
41:00
Speaker 14: you're right, we're in the middle of a state campaign.
41:02
Speaker 14: The writs were issued last Wednesday, and of course Chris.
41:06
Speaker 5: Is you very well know.
41:07
Speaker 14: We've been in the midst of an unofficial federal campaign
41:09
Speaker 14: since the first week of January. So there's plenty going
41:13
Speaker 14: on here in the West at the moment.
41:15
Speaker 2: Yeah, Olbo's been over there a bit and everyone's saying
41:18
Speaker 2: because he needs to work it happen. Surely that's because
41:20
Speaker 2: he doesn't want to go there now. The Premier, Roger
41:24
Speaker 2: Cook won't want Elbow there over the next four weeks,
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Speaker 2: will he?
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Speaker 14: Oh, probably not, particularly after the little tiff last week
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Speaker 14: around Nature Positive where Roger Cook had to come out
41:36
Speaker 14: quite firmly. And I tell you what, last week, I
41:38
Speaker 14: was happy to not be the Labor president.
41:41
Speaker 15: So that is definitely the case.
41:43
Speaker 14: But also here and even in relation to our state candidates,
41:46
Speaker 14: when they're outdoor knocking, when they're out doing things, people
41:49
Speaker 14: are talking about Elbow and they don't like him. But
41:53
Speaker 14: the one thing that I do really appreciate out of
41:55
Speaker 14: our paper here is every time that Labor comes to
41:58
Speaker 14: WA the paper notes how many hours he's in Western
42:02
Speaker 14: Australia before he jets off somewhere else. So he can
42:05
Speaker 14: keep telling us he's been here thirty odd times or whatever.
42:09
Speaker 14: But he's in in the morning and he's out by
42:11
Speaker 14: the arv oh and off to something else, and he
42:13
Speaker 14: pretends to understand West Australians.
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Speaker 1: You people are cruel.
42:17
Speaker 2: There's a big country to give him a break, now, Demo.
42:19
Speaker 2: So we've done state and federal politics a bit the Overlapp.
42:22
Speaker 1: I want to follow up on this.
42:23
Speaker 2: We talked about it last week, the exorbitant rate increases
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Speaker 2: at local council levels.
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Speaker 1: Tony Abbott's brought into that now, slamming.
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Speaker 2: The forty percent rate increase in the Northern Beaches Council.
42:35
Speaker 2: He's suggesting people might even start boycotting their rates. Another
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Speaker 2: council in North Sydney they're talking about eighty seven percent
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Speaker 2: rate increases and people have been emailing me from out
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Speaker 2: in the Central West. Rates are just gone bonkers everywhere
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Speaker 2: and there's no accountability.
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Speaker 15: And that's the heart of the matter, Chris.
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Speaker 21: There is no accountability in the case of North Sydney.
42:56
Speaker 21: I live in that LGA and they've stopped. The bottom
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Speaker 21: line is they've stuffed up the redevelopment of the most
43:02
Speaker 21: iconic pool in Australia, which is of course the North
43:04
Speaker 21: Sydney Pool.
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Speaker 15: That's in the three years I've lived.
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Speaker 21: In the Free State of New South Wales has been
43:09
Speaker 21: an empty construction site and there's no accountability for these people.
43:14
Speaker 21: The only way to fix it is to recoup or
43:16
Speaker 21: try to raise millions and millions and tens of millions
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Speaker 21: of dollars. So they are, as you said, we're going
43:22
Speaker 21: to raise rates by eighty percent.
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Speaker 15: Businesses, residents.
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Speaker 21: On what planet are you allowed to monumentally stuff up
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Speaker 21: keep your job and make the people who you are
43:34
Speaker 21: supposed to be.
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Speaker 1: Superving they going to pay for your mistakes bill.
43:38
Speaker 15: It is absolutely criminal.
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Speaker 1: It is absurd.
43:41
Speaker 2: So what we need is an injection of sanity into
43:43
Speaker 2: the debate tonight.
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Speaker 15: Competent people LGAs.
43:49
Speaker 1: So you've ruled my segue. I was going to go
43:53
Speaker 1: for a segue to some common sense. Here we go
43:55
Speaker 1: now all right, now, many of you will be aware.
43:57
Speaker 2: Of UFC fighting massive business around the world, and they've
44:01
Speaker 2: just had a bit of about in Sydney on the weekend.
44:05
Speaker 2: Have a look at this from the editor of the
44:07
Speaker 2: Sydney Morning Herald.
44:08
Speaker 1: He said, out his usual.
44:11
Speaker 2: Email letter note to Sydney Morning Herald subscribers and he's
44:17
Speaker 2: launched into it. He said that this practice, this fighting
44:22
Speaker 2: is makes him physically ill.
44:25
Speaker 1: He's called it a circus.
44:26
Speaker 2: He's disgusted that the state government's backing it. And anyway,
44:30
Speaker 2: the bloke who runs UFC, Dana White, he was in town.
44:34
Speaker 2: Here's what he had to say about such journalism in Australia.
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Speaker 22: Person for a place that is so tough and the people,
44:45
Speaker 22: everything on land and the water can kill you. You
44:48
Speaker 22: have the biggest I've ever seen in the media in
44:52
Speaker 22: my life. I saw a story where a guy was like,
44:55
Speaker 22: I saw Dana do a podcast with the premiere and
44:58
Speaker 22: it physically made me sick. Holy, you guys have to
45:02
Speaker 22: have the biggest of all time in the media here.
45:07
Speaker 22: I thought we had week week media. You guys win
45:10
Speaker 22: hands down.
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Speaker 1: Expletely. So yeah, But to one side, this bloke speaks
45:17
Speaker 1: some truth.
45:18
Speaker 21: Look objectively, you could argue that it was an overreaction
45:23
Speaker 21: to Chris Min's doing an interview with Dana White. Look on,
45:26
Speaker 21: don't I'm not a fan of the UFC, although I
45:28
Speaker 21: have done a Muyti fight.
45:29
Speaker 15: Don't we tell you that, No I did my I
45:32
Speaker 15: did a Muti fight. Yeah, I would probably never do
45:34
Speaker 15: it again. It was a draw and it was terrifying.
45:37
Speaker 21: But there's something that happens when you start to punch
45:39
Speaker 21: and kick someone else that I've.
45:40
Speaker 1: Seen you on Instagram with your boxing gloves and whatnot.
45:43
Speaker 15: But that being said, it's not my cup of tea.
45:45
Speaker 21: And Bevin Shields, who I've never met for the record,
45:48
Speaker 21: has every right to have a view on it, but
45:50
Speaker 21: it's the punching down.
45:51
Speaker 1: Pardon the plan, your meaning readers made.
45:54
Speaker 21: Him physically sick, I mean really really didn't make you
45:58
Speaker 21: physically sick. I tell you what made me Faszy sick
46:00
Speaker 21: over the weekend, saying the masdated bodies of hostages coming
46:03
Speaker 21: out of Gaza.
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Speaker 15: That made me physically sick. Don't know why I can
46:06
Speaker 15: do what he wants. We're still a free Ish country.
46:09
Speaker 1: Free Ish country.
46:10
Speaker 2: We have boxing, we have NRL, we have don't might
46:13
Speaker 2: have you know the idea that.
46:15
Speaker 1: These journal sort of talked down. Oh they have to.
46:18
Speaker 2: They have to pontificate that they're above this brutal sport
46:21
Speaker 2: and all you people who support it, you know, must
46:23
Speaker 2: be rebel. At the same time they're trying to sell
46:26
Speaker 2: newspapers to them.
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Speaker 1: Is absurd. Caroline.
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Speaker 14: Yeah, and just you don't like it, just don't watch it.
46:33
Speaker 14: Other people like those things. I personally really quite like UFC,
46:37
Speaker 14: I like boxing, I like motorsport. You know, all those
46:40
Speaker 14: things which which are really you know, which are really
46:43
Speaker 14: frowned down on by the left. But if Bevan she
46:47
Speaker 14: wants to see something that really makes him sick, if
46:49
Speaker 14: she'll go back and look at the footage when transfired
46:52
Speaker 14: of fallon Fox smashed to make a Brent sculling and
46:55
Speaker 14: she ended up with a fractioned skull.
46:57
Speaker 15: So that that they're kind of upsets me.
46:59
Speaker 14: But I don't think it's going to ingratiate him to
47:01
Speaker 14: the stand More Book Club or whoever else he spreends with.
47:05
Speaker 14: But unfortunately that there, I actually think was a pretty
47:10
Speaker 14: low moment for the sport.
47:11
Speaker 15: But you know what, people want to watch it.
47:13
Speaker 19: Go.
47:13
Speaker 14: Do your think everyone has got something different that floats
47:16
Speaker 14: their boat.
47:17
Speaker 15: You are not better than everyone else.
47:19
Speaker 2: Spot on the Donald, he turned up at the Super
47:24
Speaker 2: bowls and I can't believe it's the first time the
47:26
Speaker 2: sitting president has been at the Super Bowl, and I
47:28
Speaker 2: think the crowd appreciated the drop in.
47:43
Speaker 1: How about that he passed the test He's.
47:46
Speaker 15: Just a normal bloke and I know that.
47:48
Speaker 21: Like people get all bent out of shape about staff
47:51
Speaker 21: and things, and look, you know, I'm Trump agnostic.
47:53
Speaker 15: I'm here for the ride. I have an open mind.
47:56
Speaker 21: It cannot be materially worse than it was to Biden
48:00
Speaker 21: and Harris and arguably Obama.
48:03
Speaker 15: Like everybody just pretends it was Saint.
48:05
Speaker 21: Obama, but disastrous foreign policy achieved nothing all about the optics.
48:10
Speaker 15: We know what the Biden administration was.
48:12
Speaker 2: Like.
48:12
Speaker 21: This is something that I am genuinely open minded.
48:15
Speaker 15: And interested to watch.
48:16
Speaker 21: He's doing what people want in the sense that he's
48:19
Speaker 21: fulfilling election promises. He's being a normal person. He's going
48:22
Speaker 21: to the He's going to the forty. Alva goes to
48:24
Speaker 21: the Dana Albo goes to the opening of a bloody envelope.
48:27
Speaker 1: Albou goes to the Aussie Rules. But he doesn't know
48:29
Speaker 1: what's going on now. But Caroline.
48:32
Speaker 2: Taylor Swift got booed, and people are making much about that,
48:35
Speaker 2: saying that's about her politics against Trump. But you know,
48:38
Speaker 2: half the crowd there is going to be barracking for
48:41
Speaker 2: not her team, right, So she's going to get booed anyway.
48:44
Speaker 1: By all of the Philadelphia supporters Jorlan.
48:48
Speaker 14: Yeah, and apparently from what I hear, they are a
48:50
Speaker 14: pretty tough bunch of.
48:51
Speaker 15: Supporters, probably like the Collingwood ones. I expect, Creez, the rest.
48:55
Speaker 14: Of us don't have too much respect for you, and
48:58
Speaker 14: I will appreciate that obviously at the King really decent
49:01
Speaker 14: football team.
49:03
Speaker 2: It's easy for you to say that I'm sitting at
49:04
Speaker 2: a desk with the Collingwood supporter.
49:06
Speaker 1: You're putting my life.
49:07
Speaker 14: In Paris, so we bet you last time, remember that, pet.
49:15
Speaker 14: But I think that I think that that's part of
49:18
Speaker 14: the show. I think that that's part of the show. Yes,
49:20
Speaker 14: it could be something to do with their politics. It
49:22
Speaker 14: also could be this wonderful thing called a correlation.
49:25
Speaker 1: Yeah, indeed indeed.
49:27
Speaker 2: And congrats to Jordan my letter of course, the boy
49:30
Speaker 2: from Western Sydney who is now the first proper winner
49:34
Speaker 2: of a Super Bowl from Australia. Just a fantastic and
49:37
Speaker 2: he was running around the Australian flag and the Samoan
49:40
Speaker 2: flag after the game.
49:41
Speaker 1: Apparently brilliant stuff.
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Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us, Jammer and Caroline, We'll see you
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Speaker 2: next week.
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Speaker 1: Handling over now to Peter Credt and i'll see tomorrow,