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MINI SCROLL: Saccone Joly vloggers backlash, 'Unhinged Podcast' divorce + Pope Francis x Trisha Paytas meme · Mini Scroll

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  Hi everyone, welcome to Mini Scroll, the daily Internet
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  culture podcast bringing you the biggest stories from social
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  media, the creator economy and the digital space every Monday
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  through Thursday. I'm your host, Lauren Meisner,
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  the founder of the youth digital media brand Centennial World.
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  Welcome back to Mini Scroll, everyone.
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  OK, I have something exciting to tell you guys.
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  So next week it will be like a normal week for podcasting.
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  Oh, also Friday, this Friday is a public holiday here in
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  Australia. So there will be no podcast on
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  Friday. I know we had like 2 public
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  holidays for Easter and then one right after.
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  And that is like a cheat code for anyone that works in like
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  corporate in Australia or just like in general.
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  You can take like I think it's three annual leave days off and
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  you get like 10. So yes, we have another like
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  national public holiday on Friday.
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  So they'll be no podcast this Friday, but next week it will be
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  like a regular podcast schedule week.
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  However, if you guys don't follow me on Instagram or
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  LinkedIn, first of all, please follow me on Instagram,
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  LinkedIn. I don't really care about it.
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  So I am really excited because I have another like big founder
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  moment thing I am doing next week.
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  I am going to be participating in Blackbird VCs Sunrise
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  festival. I am doing 6 different things
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  for Sunrise festival and it's over the course of two days.
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  So I am presenting my founder journey, building Centennial
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  World on the pitch stage, which is really, really exciting.
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  We've never really entertained like getting any type of
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  investment or anything like that before.
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  But I've started like toying with the idea and then they
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  reached out and asked me if I would want to do that.
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  And I was like, that is actually insane.
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  So of course, yes, I would never say no to an opportunity.
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  Blackbird VC, by the way, is one of the biggest VC firms in like
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  all of Australia, like venture capital firms.
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  So it's like a huge deal that they've asked me to be such a
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  big part of this startup festival.
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  So I'm doing that on the first day.
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  On the second day, I am speaking on a panel about like the
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  evolution of media amid the tech boom and AI and all of that.
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  Then we are doing as part of like a small media campaign with
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  Blackbird. We're doing 2 on the ground mini
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  scroll episodes. So each day I'll be recording
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  Mini Scroll live from the festival.
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  They have guaranteed that I will get a quiet spot.
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  So hopefully it won't be like the Web Summit interview where
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  it was like so loud, but I will have like regular mini stories
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  like I'll just be like live from the festival.
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  And then at the end of each mini episode for those two days, I
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  will have a founder interview with a female founder who is
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  like at the festival as well. So I'll have like those little
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  things. And then I'm also doing an ask
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  me anything with the high school and university students who are
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  attending. So Blackbird gives away hundreds
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  of free tickets to this festival for like young people in
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  Australia who want to learn about like startups and business
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  and tech and media and whatever. And so I'm doing like an ask me
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  anything as well during one of those days.
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  And then I'm also doing a media interview myself.
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  Like I'm being interviewed by, you know, like an industry
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  publication for a story. So anyways, it's going to be
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  like the craziest 2 days of my life.
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  So that's April 30th and May 1st.
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  I feel like there could be big opportunity there.
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  So that is the project that I was working on.
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  So that presentation, like the big presentation that I'm doing,
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  the main thing I'm doing is like presenting on the pitch stage,
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  right? Like what Centennial World is
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  our podcast network, like the evolution, our journey of the
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  brand and all of that. So I'm doing that on the 30th.
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  So I do get to get that over with on the first day, but that
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  presentation is like a full 20 minute presentation and that was
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  due end of day Thursday. So that's like, I mean, I think
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  also just like having to put that presentation together.
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  It was a very emotional experience for me to like have
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  to go back and like reflect on the entire brand journey and
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  like where we've come to. So I that probably did
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  contribute a little bit to my mental breakdown anyway.
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  So yes, I wanted to give you guys that small update, but
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  there should be no disruption to the content schedule next week.
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  It will just be like a little bit different for those two
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  days. All right, let's get into the
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  stories for today. The first story that I have for
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  you guys is the Saucony Jolie family is under fire once again
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  for TikTok content, this time featuring their children.
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  So this is actually a story that one of you guys asked me to
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  report on. The Saucony Jolie family are a
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  YouTube vlogging family. They're like OG family bloggers
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  and and they've had their fair share of controversies in the
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  past. They are based in the UK now,
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  obviously they have TikTok and they post on TikTok all the
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  time. So they're kind of being exposed
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  to like a whole new audience, which is bringing their
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  problematic content and behavior to light.
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  So the parents, particularly the father, Jonathan has been
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  accused of exploiting his children for content for years.
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  And I think that's actually kind of unique because a lot of times
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  with family vloggers, it's the mothers like the women who get
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  accused of exploitation and of being these kind of like
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  problematic like stage moms for social media.
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  But Jonathan really seems to be the one that people feel is like
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  the main problem. So there was actually a
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  documentary. They were the they were part of
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  a documentary in the UK by Stacey Dooley a few years ago.
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  And this documentary raised even more questions when it came out
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  as Jonathan apparently seemed very controlling in the
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  documentary. And the kids admitted in the
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  documentary that they do not like being filmed.
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  So now Jonathan is under fire again.
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  Then after one TikTok started going viral of a woman pointing
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  out that the thumbnails used in Jonathan's personal TikTok
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  account, his Like Jonathan Jolie TikTok account, are almost
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  exclusively stills of his young daughters with their mouths open
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  in the splits in like gymnastics gear.
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  I guess they do a lot of gymnastics.
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  For context, Jonathan has nearly 4 million followers himself.
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  This really is off the back of what we talked about with the
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  whole Piper Raquel situation last week with the Netflix
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  documentary. We talked about Ren Eleanor last
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  year. Like there's so many of these
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  families and these children and like, no matter how much press
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  comes out about them, like it doesn't really seem to, I'm
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  going to say, be doing very much.
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  I think all we can do is like, keep talking about it, keep
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  pointing it out. It's almost like we need to
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  villainize them and make them feel like in embarrassed and
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  like creepy themselves to maybe get them to stop this type of
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  stuff. And of course, there needs to be
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  more pressure on the platforms for allowing people to be
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  posting their children like this, for allowing children to
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  have accounts. You know, like you're not
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  technically supposed to have an account until you're, I think
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  TikTok is 13. So parents who make accounts for
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  their children. That was the issue with Ren
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  Eleanor is like it was run by her mother and it was very
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  obvious, but it was a Ren Eleanor account, you know, and
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  then putting pressure of course on like legislation.
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  But kind of in the same vein, another one of you guys messaged
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  me and asked me to cover the Sweet Sisterhood content house.
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  But this is Gen. Alpha's like quote first content
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  house. So it has 9 mega influencers and
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  it's just girl influencers who are like Gen.
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  Alpha. So they're between the ages of
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  8:00 and 12:00, and they have formed their own content house.
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  People are understandably very concerned about this.
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  So in a Teen Vogue article covering this, it reads, quote,
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  the moms involved in the Sweet sisterhood are aware of the
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  backlash against kid influencers and content houses, but they
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  don't think the sweet sisterhood will turn into another
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  cautionary tale. I think our content will speak
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  for itself once we start actually posting, and people
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  will see just how wholesome it is, one of the moms said, So
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  they actually won't live together.
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  They'll just like meet up it says around the country, country
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  and do collaborations multiple times a year.
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  So they've basically created like a collaboration group
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  without like living together. I don't know you guys 8 year
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  olds being part of like TikTok collaboration groups like this
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  is too far. This is so fucked up I can't
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  even imagine. Like I got Facebook when I was
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  13 and social media has absolutely derailed my entire
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  life, my mental health like it has for all of us.
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  I can't imagine what it's going to be like for every other
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  generation that's growing up and they have social media and like
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  content houses and influencers at the age of 8 years old.
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  Like, what are we doing? I cannot believe that this is
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  just allowed. You know, like, I actually, when
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  I think about like the early platforms, this is like a kind
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  of a tangent for another day. But when I think about the
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  platforms and what they've been able to get away with, it's
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  stuff that like the audacity, the audacity.
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  And I guess they just know that there's no laws or regulations
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  that technically prevent them from allowing influencers who
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  are 8 years old to be posting. You can say that about the type
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  of content that is posted on Reddit or Tumblr or whatever,
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  But you know, it's so true. It's like when you think about
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  the audacity of the tech Bros that have created these
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  platforms and the disregard for human safety, children's safety,
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  it's actually astounding. Let's get on to some like
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  juicier news. I wouldn't say it's more
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  positive, but it's definitely not as bad as like child
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  influencers. So I need to break down the
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  unhinged podcast drama that is taking over social media.
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  OK, so I don't know about you guys, but this podcast breakup
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  has been all over my social media.
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  People are calling this like a call her daddy level breakup.
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  So the unhinged podcast was a show by two creators, Chloe
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  Madison and Emma Page. So last week Emma uploaded a
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  video on YouTube in which she accused Chloe of stealing their
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  joint podcast. So Chloe and Emma had a podcast
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  together for over a year called the Unhinged podcast.
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  They didn't really know each other apparently when they
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  started this podcast, but they went in on this business venture
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  together. 5050 ownership and workload.
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  They launched Unhinged in June 2023 and it was literally like a
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  Cinderella story. They grew so fast.
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  They like quickly went viral. They gained this huge audience
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  and within a year they had 700,000 social media followers.
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  It was like a call her daddy ask story.
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  However, within three months of launching the podcast, so they
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  were based in New York City. Within three months of launching
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  the podcast, Chloe decided to do a cross country move to Los
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  Angeles. So the podcast almost
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  immediately became remote. Regardless, like I said, the
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  podcast kept growing even though it was remote and their social
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  media kept like exploding. Emma said she struggled with the
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  dynamics of their working relationship, but she did try to
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  make it work by the end of December.
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  Remember, however, December, like this past year, so 2024,
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  she was feeling burnt out and she was considering leaving the
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  podcast. She then gets this text from
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  Chloe and you know they were obviously having issues but she
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  said like so it's not like this text came out of nowhere but she
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  said it felt like an ultimatum. Chloe said I've asked since last
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  week to find a time that works. I shouldn't be the one
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  initiating this convo. If you can't find a time
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  tomorrow that works that's fine, but don't expect to film next
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  week. Emma then responded saying over
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  the past month I have consistently asked you to set a
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  date for filming and can provide screenshots if needed to refresh
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  your memory. I will not engage with threats,
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  ultimatums, or toxic behavior. She then went on to say that
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  Chloe didn't upload the episode that she was supposed to that
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  day and that was unacceptable and then and she was willing to
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  work through their issues, but the dynamic had not improved.
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  She finished by saying they needed to discuss how to end the
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  podcast fairly because clearly it was not working.
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  OK, so I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that at this
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  point, like they kind of had to end the podcast.
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  Like the hostility in these messages, I don't know how you
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  could continue to like create content together, put out
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  entertaining, engaging, fun content together.
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  Like put on this public front when this is how you're speaking
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  to each other behind the scenes. This is like honestly crazy as
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  somebody who was in a business partnership with somebody who
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  was like obviously my friend, my Co host, my Co worker, like I
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  cannot imagine if we had been on terms like this how we could
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  have continued doing the podcast together.
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  So January 2nd, 2025, Chloe sends Emma a message and says
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  let me know about the above or if you are quitting the podcast.
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  So she just like ghosted her for a couple days, didn't answer
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  what Emma said and then was like, OK, let me know about the
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  above. As in like when you can record
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  or if you're going to quit. Emma said she was not quitting
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  the podcast because the podcast would not exist without the both
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  of them and they need to dissolve it basically for it to
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  be fair. The following day Emma sends an
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  official e-mail that she is leaving the podcast and she gave
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  different options to dissolve the company or for her to be
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  bought out. OK, this is when it gets wild.
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  Chloe then ghosts Emma for 24 days.
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  During those 24 days, Chloe allegedly continued to post on
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  their joint accounts without Emma's consent.
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  A brand also reached out to them during this time, and Chloe
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  responded without consulting Emma.
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  And she kind of insinuated in the response to the brand that
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  there were issues between the two of them.
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  So Emma was like, that's so unprofessional and unacceptable.
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  During these 24 days, Emma started working on her own
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  podcast and was just like waiting for Chloe to get back to
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  her. But obviously at this point, she
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  knew like, she was not going to be part, they were not going to
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  be doing a podcast together. So Chloe continues to ghost her.
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  And then she posts on their joint accounts that their
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  podcast is on hold because of the LA fires.
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  Because remember, Chloe lives in LA, even though all of this,
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  Emma says, started before the fires.
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  So Emma reaches out to lawyers and they said that even though
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  there's no contract in place. So this is definitely a problem.
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  They didn't have a contract in place, but, you know, just based
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  on the workload and how everything was divided, like,
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  the women would have been 5050, they would have actually been in
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  like a legal partnership. So after two more weeks of
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  ghosting, Emma asks an attorney how she can make Chloe respond
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  to her. This attorney tells her that she
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  can change the passwords on a couple of their joint accounts
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  and then e-mail Chloe right away and offer to give her the
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  passwords if she responds. So changing these passwords
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  would only be illegal according to this attorney's advice, if
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  she didn't offer Chloe the passwords after receiving this
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  e-mail. Chloe then changed the passwords
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  herself. She was like, I don't even know
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  how she did that of literally everything.
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  Like they're Spotify, they're hosting like everything.
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  And Emma has literally been locked out ever since.
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  So I'm assuming this was like January.
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  Chloe finally responds to Emma after Emma launches her own
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  podcast. So Emma was like, OK, our last
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  episodes were going live. I think it was like January
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  14th. And she wanted to have the
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  consistency of her own podcast going up from then.
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  So she had, was working on, on it and like launched it.
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  So Emma had a very successful like first week of launch and
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  then Chloe finally responded to her.
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  Chloe said that she would give Emma 15% of three months of the
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  podcast revenue to buy her out or 50% of the next three brand
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  deals. Emma was like, at this point
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  everything was 5050. Like why would I get 15%?
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  And you know, she said like I, we were making $20,000 a month
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  at this point. We were quoting brands between
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  8:00 and $12,000 for a single ticket talk.
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  So like, no, I'm not going to take 15% of that.
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  So she said that she was going to come back to her with a
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  counter offer. And she also said, please stop
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  posting on our joint pages until we've, you know, like dealt with
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  this negotiation. And then Chloe, I guess was
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  like, no, I need a response by Monday.
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  And Emmas, like, you literally ghosted me for 24 days.
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  Like you can wait longer than two days for my response.
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  On February 4th Emma wakes up and Chloe had changed all of
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  their joint accounts to a new podcast name, allegedly the
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  unbothered podcast. Emma says she feels like Chloe
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  stole the podcast from her. She stole the following, the
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  backlog, the audience, everything from her and changed
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  the names to her own solo podcast Unbothered and has just
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  been going with that ever since. She says Chloe also blocked her
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  and she wiped her. OK this is something I noticed.
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  She seemed to wipe her from her social media.
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  So I was looking at their TikTok and I was like, why are all of
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  these clips just Chloe? And then I'm like, OK, if you
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  Scroll down, like there's actually not that many clips.
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  And I was like, Oh my God. Does she archive or delete all
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  of the other posts? Like all of the tick tock
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  content over the last like, year and a half that featured Emma as
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  well. So it's just like podcast clips
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  of like, Chloe saying something funny or whatever, like, you
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  know, just like a quick little quip.
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  But there doesn't seem to be any that feature Emma, as far as I
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  could tell, which is so insanely petty.
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  Chloe finally addressed things kind of on Instagram Stories,
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  she wrote. I've remained silent because
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  we've been in the middle of a confidential legal settlement.
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  Unlike the other party, I followed legal counsel and
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  respected that process. A handful of you have seen one
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  side out of context screenshots and have formed opinions without
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  seeing what has actually transpired behind closed doors.
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  I have many receipts ready to go and I'll be sharing my side.
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  Obviously, this is very much like a he said, she said.
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  I mean, Emma definitely had like receipts, like she was sharing
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  like all the screenshots of their Gmail and like all this
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  stuff. And I would say the general
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  consensus online is people are like, you know, team Emma.
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  But I think it's so wild as somebody who has been through
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  like, you know, buying a business partner out and that
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  included a podcast, obviously that was part of our business.
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  It's so like wild to me that these things get so out of hand.
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  I just think to myself like the worst way to end a business
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  relationship, a personal relationship that you would have
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  built over that time, like would be for that to just end in such
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  a bad way. And I just, I feel like it's so
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  short sighted when these and it happens a lot with like
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  influencers, we see a lot of like feuding and stuff.
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  And I don't know if it's just because we see that publicly.
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  Like I imagine in business there's like a lot of drama that
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  you just, it's just never made public.
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  Like we just don't know. But you know, with influencers
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  and stuff, it often is made public.
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  But I just think like it's very short sighted to burn bridges at
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  all. Like these two women are in the
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  same industry. They have basically the same
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  job. They would have so many of the
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  same business relationships, probably friends, all of that.
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  Like it is so wild to me that and obviously like Emma, if, if
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  what she is saying is true, I get like everything that she's
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  had to do to just like get out of this and like stand her
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  ground. So I'm not necessarily making a
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  judgement on what she's done. Because if what she is saying
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  is, like, completely fact, then at the end of the day, like her
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  hands were kind of tied. But yeah, I think to, like, burn
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  bridges at all. Like the way that Chloe has
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  acted, like who? I don't know.
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  It's just, it's wild to me. I'm like, that's like one of the
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  biggest things my parents taught me, especially when I first
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  started in my career, you know, like when you first enter the
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  workforce is like, never burn a bridge.
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  And there is a big difference between like, standing up for
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  yourself, standing your ground and burning a bridge.
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  And it does seem from the information that we have that
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  Chloe was down to burn that bridge.
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  But yeah, I just, I can't imagine that like, in the
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  dissolution of a partnership like this, your top priority
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  wouldn't be to, like, come out on OK terms.
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  OK. The last three that I have for
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  you guys, this is a very stupid one, but, you know, I had to
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  include it, OK. We're like on the journey of
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  this conspiracy theory together. We've been tracking it since day
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  one. The Tricia Paytas baby
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  reincarnation memes are back. So as we know, I'm sure all of
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  you guys know, Pope Francis died yesterday.
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  I was at dinner and I went to the bathroom and I was on
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  Instagram and I saw that he died.
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  And I was actually like in shock.
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  It hit me and I was like, Oh my God.
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  He died on Easter weekend. That feels like symbolic
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  somehow. I was raised Catholic in case
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  you couldn't tell. I'm not practicing, but I did go
• 19:40
  to Catholic school and it was like, my mom is Irish Catholic,
• 19:43
  so that tells you a lot. Internet users are now going off
• 19:47
  about how Trisha Paytas is going to give birth to the Pope
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  reincarnated. This Internet conspiracy theory
• 19:54
  started when Tricia gave birth to her first baby, Malibu
• 19:57
  Barbie. Shortly after Queen Elizabeth
• 20:00
  died in 2022, fans started making jokes that she gave birth
• 20:04
  to Queen Elizabeth reincarnated. I don't even, I mean, this joke
• 20:07
  started on Twitter, but like, I don't even know why.
• 20:10
  It's just one of those memes that just like popped off and
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  everybody thought it was like the craziest and funniest thing
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  ever. Tricia actually spoke out at the
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  time and was like, this makes me uncomfortable because like,
• 20:19
  you're kind of making a joke about someone's death, which is
• 20:22
  fair enough. But now Trisha is pregnant with
• 20:25
  her third baby, as we know, and the conspiracy theory has
• 20:28
  reemerged as Pope Francis died this weekend.
• 20:31
  The main joke is that people are saying she is collecting world
• 20:34
  leaders at this point, which is crazy.
• 20:37
  OK, I'll read you some of the top tweets.
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  You're laughing. Pope Francis is about to be
• 20:41
  reincarnated as Tricia Paytas's baby and you're laughing.
• 20:44
  Another one says, Oh my God, I just remembered Tricia Paytas is
• 20:47
  pregnant. Welcome back, Pope.
• 20:49
  But yes, so far Tricia Paytas has not addressed the rumors
• 20:53
  that she will be giving birth to Pope Francis reincarnated.
• 20:56
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