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WHO would KILL a vacuum salesman - MrBallen · Crime and Horror

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Speaker 1: One afternoon in February of 2007, a very nervous man
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Speaker 1: walked across an icy parking lot towards the front door
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Speaker 1: of a police station in Merrillville, Indiana. This man had
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Speaker 1: just been arrested, and he was being brought here to
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Speaker 1: be processed. But he actually believed, or at least hoped,
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Speaker 1: that he'd be allowed to leave really quickly, basically right away,
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Speaker 1: because he actually had critical information about about a four-year-old
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Speaker 1: murder case that he wanted to trade for his freedom.
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Speaker 1: afternoon of April 17th, 2003, 33-year-old John Parker Jr. sat
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Speaker 1: at his desk in his office at J & J
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Speaker 1: Parker Industries in Merrillville, Indiana. He was looking over some
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Speaker 1: paperwork and hoping he would get at least a few
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Speaker 1: minutes without any interruptions to finish reading it. Because in
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Speaker 1: John's world, a few minutes were hard to find. John
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Speaker 1: was the owner of J & J, which was a
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Speaker 1: consulting company dedicated to training people to sell high-end vacuums. Now,
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Speaker 1: vacuums were not glamorous, but his company was really successful,
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Speaker 1: and running it was a lot of work. He was
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Speaker 1: on his feet all day managing about 25 employees and
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Speaker 1: solving constant problems, and he usually did not get much
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Speaker 1: quiet time to do things like paperwork. And even though
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Speaker 1: John did complain about this, the truth was he actually
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Speaker 1: loved being busy. He'd always been a very hard worker.
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Speaker 1: He'd started in the vacuum business as a door-to-door salesman,
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Speaker 1: and even though everyone told him there was no money.
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Speaker 2: In vacuums, He'd proved them wrong.
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Speaker 1: He was so good at sales that he made his
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Speaker 1: first million dollars by the time he was just 30
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Speaker 1: years old. And now he had a whole company that
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Speaker 1: taught other people how to be great at it too.
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Speaker 1: But now, as John tried to get through the paperwork,
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Speaker 1: his desk phone rang. He sighed and he picked it up,
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Speaker 1: and it was his wife, Judy. She told him that
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Speaker 1: their daughter had left her homework in his office when
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Speaker 1: she was there just the other day, and she asked
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Speaker 1: him if he could bring it home with him. Now,
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Speaker 1: John was about to tell his wife that this was
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Speaker 1: now the second time she had reminded him about this homework.
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Speaker 1: But he stopped himself because right now things were pretty good.
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Speaker 1: You know, things between them were solid. And so he
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Speaker 1: tried to remind himself that it was not worth messing
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Speaker 1: that up. So John and Judy had been married for
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Speaker 1: 10 years, and she was his partner in life and
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Speaker 1: in business. They had raised four kids together, and Judy
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Speaker 1: was actually the second J in J & J Parker Industries.
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Speaker 1: John knew that to everyone else, they looked like a happy,
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Speaker 1: successful power couple. But the truth was much more complicated.
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Speaker 1: Because about a year ago, Judy had an affair. And
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Speaker 1: this had devastated John at the time. But he really
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Speaker 1: wanted to give their marriage another shot. They'd been living
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Speaker 1: in Michigan at the time, and they agreed that moving
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Speaker 1: the business to Maryville, Indiana, where John was from, would
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Speaker 1: be a good way to start fresh. And so far,
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Speaker 1: they both felt like it had been the right call.
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Speaker 1: The business was doing really well, things were looking up,
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Speaker 1: and most importantly... John and Judy were actually getting along.
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Speaker 1: So now, instead of getting annoyed at his wife for
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Speaker 1: repeatedly asking him about the homework, he just said, sure,
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Speaker 1: and that he would see her later for their date night.
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Speaker 1: As soon as John hung up with Judy, he heard
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Speaker 1: a knock on the door, and his office manager, Barry Jones,
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Speaker 1: charged in holding more files. Barry dropped them on John's
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Speaker 1: desk and said, sorry, but he needed a signature. It
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Speaker 1: was for the final termination paperwork for an employee John
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Speaker 1: fired whose name was Derek Hall. So a week earlier,
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Speaker 1: John had made the very difficult decision to let Derek go.
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Speaker 1: It wasn't personal. Derek just wasn't a good fit. He
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Speaker 1: couldn't keep up with the sales quota. And John had
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Speaker 1: really high standards for his employees. That's how he became
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Speaker 1: a millionaire in the first place. But Derek somehow thought
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Speaker 1: his firing was John's fault. And he'd actually showed up
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Speaker 1: at J & J and made a scene in the
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Speaker 1: parking lot saying that John had shorted him hundreds of
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Speaker 1: dollars on his last paycheck.
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Speaker 2: And when John tried to defuse things... Derek had physically
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Speaker 2: attacked him.
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Speaker 1: The police had to be called, and they separated John
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Speaker 1: and Derek before it got too ugly, and John had
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Speaker 1: ended up paying Derek what he wanted, since he just
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Speaker 1: wanted the whole thing to be over, which was also
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Speaker 1: why now he was immediately scribbling his signature on the
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Speaker 1: termination paperwork and handing it back to Barry, because hopefully
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Speaker 1: now he would just never have to see.
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Speaker 2: Or speak to Derek ever again.
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Speaker 1: After work, around 6pm, John drove home, which was about
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Speaker 1: 15 minutes away from the office. And when he got
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Speaker 1: inside his house, he heard Judy call down from upstairs
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Speaker 1: that she'd be ready soon. So he yelled back that
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Speaker 1: there was no rush, and he meant it. And this
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Speaker 1: was because just over an hour earlier, his older brother
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Speaker 1: David had met him at the office, and they'd gone
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Speaker 1: to a buffet together. So John really wasn't hungry at
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Speaker 1: all anymore. But dinner with Judy was definitely more about
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Speaker 1: spending time together than actually eating, so he wasn't going
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Speaker 1: to say anything about the late lunch.
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Speaker 2: John made his.
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Speaker 1: Way into the living room where his four kids were
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Speaker 1: watching TV. It was his 17-year-old daughter, Christina, her 15-year-old brother, Daniel,
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Speaker 1: and their two younger sisters. The older kids were going
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Speaker 1: to babysit the younger ones tonight so that he and
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Speaker 1: Judy could go out. But when John tried to make
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Speaker 1: conversation with them, Christina and Daniel gave him the cold shoulder. Now,
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Speaker 1: to any other parent, this could be interpreted perhaps as
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Speaker 1: just typical teenage behavior. But to John, it was more
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Speaker 1: loaded than that. So Christina and Daniel were actually his stepkids.
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Speaker 1: John had been in their life since they were really little,
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Speaker 1: and he considered himself to be their dad. And John
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Speaker 1: had always tried to be very involved in things like
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Speaker 1: coaching Daniel in baseball and going to school concerts and
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Speaker 1: parent-teacher conferences. But his relationship with these kids had changed lately.
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Speaker 1: And frankly, both of the kids had really begun acting out.
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Speaker 1: Christina repeatedly threw parties at their house whenever he and
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Speaker 1: Judy were gone. while Daniel was combative and hung out
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Speaker 1: with a group of friends who were seemingly always in
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Speaker 1: trouble with the law.
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Speaker 2: And this had created a.
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Speaker 1: Lot of conflict between them and John, because he was
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Speaker 1: the one who tried to discipline them, while Judy sort
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Speaker 1: of always played the good cop. But John knew better
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Speaker 1: than to try and force them to talk to him.
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Speaker 1: So when he went in there, he just kept quiet
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Speaker 1: and they all watched the TV until Judy came downstairs
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Speaker 1: and said she was ready to go. Hours later, just
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Speaker 1: before 10 p.m., John and Judy left their dinner, got
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Speaker 1: in the car, and drove back to John's office at
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Speaker 1: J & J.
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Speaker 2: Parker Industries, which was in an office park in a
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Speaker 2: secluded area. And the two of them had had a
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Speaker 2: really nice dinner.
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Speaker 1: However, during their meal, Christina had called and wanted to
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Speaker 1: know where that homework was that John was supposed to
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Speaker 1: bring home. And John, very embarrassingly, suddenly realized that despite
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Speaker 1: all those reminders from Judy that he was getting so
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Speaker 1: annoyed by, he had forgotten the homework at the office.
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Speaker 1: So that's why they were here now, to pick up
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Speaker 1: the homework on their way home. John parked the car
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Speaker 1: in the lot, and both of them hopped out. When
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Speaker 1: they got inside the building, they found that the office manager, Barry,
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Speaker 1: was still there working.
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Speaker 2: Which John expected.
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Speaker 1: I mean, things had been busy lately with planning seminars
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Speaker 1: and finding a new hire to replace Derek, and Barry
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Speaker 1: was in charge of keeping it all organized. And John
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Speaker 1: really didn't feel too bad that Barry was putting in
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Speaker 1: so many hours.
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Speaker 2: I mean, this was his job.
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Speaker 1: And the company relied on him to ensure nothing major
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Speaker 1: slipped through the cracks. So when Barry mentioned to John
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Speaker 1: when he went inside that, you know, he actually might
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Speaker 1: be heading home soon.
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Speaker 2: John said no.
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Speaker 1: At the same time, John saw his wife grab the
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Speaker 1: homework from his desk and then hustle out to the car,
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Speaker 1: and as she disappeared, John told Barry that he was sorry,
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Speaker 1: but Barry needed to stay and finish what he was doing.
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Speaker 1: But then, to make up for delivering this bad news,
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Speaker 1: John offered Barry his leftovers from dinner. He had basically
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Speaker 1: a full meal since he had not been hungry. Barry
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Speaker 1: sort of grumbled about it, but said he would take
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Speaker 1: the food if he was offering. And so John nodded
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Speaker 1: and went outside to grab it. Moments later, John arrived
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Speaker 1: at the car where Judy was waiting in the passenger seat.
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Speaker 1: He opened up the back door and he picked up
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Speaker 1: the Styrofoam to-go box. When Judy looked back at him,
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Speaker 1: he told her he was going back to give the
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Speaker 1: food to Barry. And she just shrugged and said, fine,
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Speaker 1: then turned back around. But right at that same moment,
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Speaker 1: John heard the sound of footsteps in the concrete right
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Speaker 1: behind him.
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Speaker 2: But before he could turn around... he heard a deafening bang.
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Speaker 1: Judy heard the bang too, which was followed quickly by
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Speaker 1: a second one, and she instinctively ducked down in her
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Speaker 1: seat and then looked back at John just in time
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Speaker 1: to see him fall hard to the ground. And before
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Speaker 1: she could do or say anything, she saw a masked
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Speaker 1: person in dark clothes crouch over John for just a
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Speaker 1: few seconds, and then they sprinted away from the car
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Speaker 1: towards the main road. Judy leapt out of the car
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Speaker 1: and ran to John, yelling his name. but he just
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Speaker 1: lay there on the pavement, not moving. And then she
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Speaker 1: saw this huge pool of blood forming right underneath his head.
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Speaker 1: With her heart racing, Judy ran to the office door
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Speaker 1: and screamed at Barry to call the police. By about 10.30
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Speaker 1: that night, the parking lot at J & J Parker
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Speaker 1: Industries was overrun with officers.
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Speaker 2: And crime scene technicians.
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Speaker 1: Among them was Detective Donald Toth, who had been with
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Speaker 1: the Maryville Police Department for the last 21 years. When
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Speaker 1: he first got the call, dispatch had only known that
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Speaker 1: there was a shooting. But when he arrived on the scene,
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Speaker 1: a first responder told him that there'd actually been a fatality,
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Speaker 1: 33-year-old John Parker Jr., who had been identified by two
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Speaker 1: witnesses at the scene. The first responder also explained that
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Speaker 1: when they got there, before they spoke to the witnesses,
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Speaker 1: they had looked for John's wallet to identify him, but
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Speaker 1: the wallet had not been in his pockets or in
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Speaker 1: the car. And when Toth heard that, his first thought
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Speaker 1: was that maybe this was a robbery. But as soon
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Speaker 1: as he walked over and got a look at John,
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Speaker 1: he immediately revised that theory. John was on his back
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Speaker 1: behind a parked car, and the first thing Toth noticed
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Speaker 1: was that he had a lot of nice jewelry on.
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Speaker 1: gold and diamond rings, a bracelet, and an expensive-looking Rolex watch. Also,
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Speaker 1: this office park was not close to anything, and it
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Speaker 1: just didn't feel like the kind of place a random
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Speaker 1: mugger would go looking for victims. Toth wondered if the
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Speaker 1: killer took the wallet just to make.
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Speaker 2: Police believe this could be a robbery.
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Speaker 1: Because the longer he looked at John's body, the more
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Speaker 1: signs he saw that this was likely an efficient, planned execution.
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Speaker 1: John didn't have any visible defensive wounds, and when Toth
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Speaker 1: used a gloved hand to move John's head to the side,
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Speaker 1: he saw a gunshot wound right behind his ear. Toth
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Speaker 1: had actually been a paramedic before becoming a detective, so
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Speaker 1: he knew that shot had likely killed John instantly. It
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Speaker 1: also meant John had his back turned to the shooter
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Speaker 1: when he died. There was an open Styrofoam-to-go container of
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Speaker 1: food and some car keys on the ground right next
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Speaker 1: to John's body, and their placement made it feel like
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Speaker 1: John might have been holding them when he fell. If
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Speaker 1: John had an altercation, like with a thief or somebody
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Speaker 1: who killed him in the heat of the moment, the
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Speaker 1: scene would be way messier. As far as Toth could tell,
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Speaker 1: the killer had just walked up to John while he
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Speaker 1: was busy with something at his car, aimed the gun,
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Speaker 1: pulled the trigger, and then after he died.
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Speaker 2: Grabbed John's wallet, and then left.
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Speaker 1: Which also meant the killer very likely had not been
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Speaker 1: at the scene long enough to leave behind much evidence.
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Speaker 1: All Toth saw were just two shell casings, and he
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Speaker 1: doubted there would be footprints or DNA. And when Toth
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Speaker 1: spoke to some of the other officers at the scene,
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Speaker 1: he learned they'd already done a sweep of the office park,
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Speaker 1: and they'd looked in dumpsters and bushes and on the
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Speaker 1: roofs of all the buildings, but they hadn't found anything,
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Speaker 1: and they didn't see any cameras or surveillance in the area. So,
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Speaker 1: as Toth stood in the middle of the parking lot
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Speaker 1: and watched his officers continue to search the scene, he
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Speaker 1: realized he was the lead on a case with virtually
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Speaker 1: no forensic evidence, which.
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Speaker 2: Might have been daunting, but he did have at least
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Speaker 2: two witnesses.
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Speaker 1: About an hour later, Toth sat down across a table
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Speaker 1: from John Parker's wife, Judy, inside of an interrogation room
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Speaker 1: inside the Maribel police station. He'd learned a few things
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Speaker 1: about Judy already. She'd been the one who told Barry
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Speaker 1: to call the police, and she was with John when
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Speaker 1: he was shot. He also knew that, as the spouse
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Speaker 1: of the murder victim, she was his best suspect. Now,
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Speaker 1: Toth didn't really think Judy was the actual shooter, but
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Speaker 1: considering how pristine the.
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Speaker 2: Crime scene was.
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Speaker 1: He knew it was possible this was a hit, done
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Speaker 1: by a professional, and Judy maybe could have hired them.
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Speaker 1: But as Toth spoke to Judy, he started to waver
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Speaker 1: on that theory. She couldn't stop crying, which made it
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Speaker 1: hard for her to get her words out, and when
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Speaker 1: she did speak, it was slow, like it was taking
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Speaker 1: her a lot of effort to say anything at all.
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Speaker 1: She did manage to give Toth a timeline, how she
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Speaker 1: and John had gone out to dinner for their date,
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Speaker 1: and then stopped over at the office after, since one
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Speaker 1: of their daughters had left some homework there, She said
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Speaker 1: the office manager, Barry, had been there and that when
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Speaker 1: she had gone back to the car, she knew that Barry.
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Speaker 2: And John were speaking.
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Speaker 1: And then at some point, John, he left the building
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Speaker 1: and came out to get his dinner leftovers.
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Speaker 2: And at that time, she had turned away from him.
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Speaker 1: And then she heard these two loud shots. And then
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Speaker 1: when she turned back around, she saw John fall. And
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Speaker 1: then also there was this figure in dark clothes who
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Speaker 1: was sort of bending down on top of John.
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Speaker 2: And then they ran away.
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Speaker 1: However, when Judy finished telling her story about what had
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Speaker 1: happened that night, you know, all the events that led
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Speaker 1: up to the shooting, something changed in her demeanor. You know,
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Speaker 1: the shakiness in her voice and all the grief that
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Speaker 1: was sort of pouring out of her to this point,
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Speaker 1: it vanished. And in its place, Judy became very hardened.
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Speaker 1: And she looked right at Toth and she said, you
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Speaker 1: better find the person who did this and bring them
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Speaker 1: to justice. And when Toth saw this, you know, he
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Speaker 1: almost got goosebumps from it because it was such a
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Speaker 1: quick departure from what had been going on. And he
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Speaker 1: thought to himself, you know, either she is a great
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Speaker 1: actress and this is all a big facade and she
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Speaker 1: did it or she was involved. Or this is genuine.
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Speaker 1: She's a grieving widow who doesn't know what to make
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Speaker 1: of the fact that her husband has just been killed.
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Speaker 1: At some point, Toth asked Judy if she could think
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Speaker 1: of anybody who might have wanted to hurt John. And
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Speaker 1: Judy appeared to think for a second, but eventually she
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Speaker 1: just said no. She said that John was an incredible
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Speaker 1: husband and father and they had a great marriage that
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Speaker 1: they had really worked hard on and everybody at work
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Speaker 1: respected him. But then something clearly occurred to Judy because
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Speaker 1: she frowned and said, actually, there was someone from work
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Speaker 1: who didn't like John. His name was Derek and John
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Speaker 1: had fired him recently. And after the firing, Derek had
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Speaker 1: come back to J & J and started a physical
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Speaker 1: fight with John in the parking lot. When Toth heard that,
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Speaker 1: he perked up. I mean, a disgruntled employee was definitely
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Speaker 1: somebody that he should be speaking to. And Toth was
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Speaker 1: speaking to the office manager, Barry Jones, right after this.
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Speaker 1: And so he figured he could ask him about that
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Speaker 1: incident too. Now, Toth wasn't ready to rule Judy out
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Speaker 1: as a suspect since he still needed to check her
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Speaker 1: finances and talk to her friends and family about her marriage.
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Speaker 1: But for now, he didn't see a reason to hold her.
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Speaker 1: So he told Judy that for now, she was welcome
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Speaker 1: to go home and be with her kids and, you know, grieve.
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Speaker 2: And they would be in touch.
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Speaker 1: Then Toth got up and he left to go to
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Speaker 1: another interrogation room where Barry was waiting. The following morning,
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Speaker 1: Toth walked up a flight of porch steps. He was
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Speaker 1: at the home of Derek Hall, the ex-employee.
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Speaker 2: Of J & J.
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Speaker 1: Parker Industries that John Parker had recently fired. Last night,
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Speaker 1: Toth had spoken to John's office manager, Barry Jones, who
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Speaker 1: had confirmed what John's wife, Judy, had said about Derek.
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Speaker 1: That after he was fired, there had been this huge,
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Speaker 1: ugly fight at the office between Derek and John, and
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Speaker 1: Derek was the instigator. It was the only useful information
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Speaker 1: Barry had given him, since he said, you know, during
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Speaker 1: the shooting, he had actually been in the bathroom, and
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Speaker 1: so he hadn't heard or seen anything until he heard
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Speaker 1: Judy screaming for him. But the lead on Derek was enough.
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Speaker 1: And the other thing was... Barry and Judy were not
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Speaker 1: the only ones who thought Derek might have killed John.
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Speaker 1: Just before this, Toth also spoke to John's brother, David,
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Speaker 1: who was incredibly devastated and furious about his brother's death.
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Speaker 1: And David had also pointed the finger at Derek. So
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Speaker 1: Toth was very eager to meet Derek, a man three
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Speaker 1: people claimed could be a killer.
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Speaker 2: Toth got to the.
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Speaker 1: Top of the steps and knocked on the front door.
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Speaker 1: And when Derek answered, Toth introduced himself and explained why
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Speaker 1: he was there. Derek seemed stunned, but he immediately let
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Speaker 1: Toth inside. Moments later, Toth was sitting across from Derek
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Speaker 1: in the living room. And even though Derek seemed very
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Speaker 1: uncomfortable and nervous, he told Toth he was actually glad
18:00
Speaker 1: the detective was there because he really wanted to give
18:03
Speaker 1: his side of the story. Derek said that when he
18:06
Speaker 1: started working at J & J, he was given way
18:08
Speaker 1: more work than he'd expected. And when he couldn't keep
18:11
Speaker 1: up with it, he was fired. And then, you know,
18:14
Speaker 1: John shorted him $ 400 on his final paycheck.
18:18
Speaker 2: So he had gone to J & J to get
18:19
Speaker 2: the money he was owed.
18:21
Speaker 1: Now, he admitted that it did lead to a physical fight,
18:25
Speaker 1: but he said they'd only pushed each other, and it
18:27
Speaker 1: ended up getting resolved, like it wasn't that big of
18:29
Speaker 1: a deal. But beyond that, Derek insisted he could not
18:32
Speaker 1: have killed John because he'd actually spent the whole evening
18:36
Speaker 1: last night at a friend's house playing video games. He
18:39
Speaker 1: gave Toth the friend's number and said, go ahead, call him,
18:41
Speaker 1: he'll confirm it.
18:43
Speaker 2: Toth tried not.
18:43
Speaker 1: To look too disappointed as he took down this number.
18:46
Speaker 1: But if the alibi checked out, he could rule Derek
18:49
Speaker 1: out as a suspect. Now, it was possible that Derek had,
18:52
Speaker 1: you know, actually taken a hit out on John.
18:55
Speaker 2: But to Toth, that seemed unlikely. If Derek was that
18:59
Speaker 2: upset over.
19:00
Speaker 1: $ 400, it didn't seem likely that he would have the
19:03
Speaker 1: excess cash to pay anybody to go commit a murder.
19:06
Speaker 1: But as Toth left Derek's house and got back in
19:09
Speaker 1: his car, he decided the interview was not a total
19:12
Speaker 1: bust after all.
19:13
Speaker 2: Because talking to Derek made him realize... he needed.
19:16
Speaker 1: To focus more on John's business life. According to John's
19:20
Speaker 1: brother David, John got rich young and built his company
19:24
Speaker 1: very quickly, and in Toth's experience, those kinds of people
19:28
Speaker 1: often stepped on others to get to the top. The
19:32
Speaker 1: next day, Toth walked down a hallway at the precinct
19:34
Speaker 1: towards an interrogation room. He had confirmed Derek's alibi with
19:38
Speaker 1: his friend, so he had to move on to other
19:40
Speaker 1: suspects for now. which was fine with Toth because he
19:44
Speaker 1: was about to sit down with his new prime suspect,
19:47
Speaker 1: who happened to be one of his former witnesses. It
19:50
Speaker 1: was John's office manager, Barry Jones. Yesterday, Toth had gone
19:54
Speaker 1: to the J & J Parker Industries office and made
19:57
Speaker 1: it a point to speak to every single employee about John.
20:01
Speaker 1: And he found out that John was a great boss
20:03
Speaker 1: who pushed his employees, but he worked hard himself. The
20:07
Speaker 1: employees also said that Judy was an essential part of
20:10
Speaker 1: the company, and the Parkers as a duo were well-respected
20:14
Speaker 1: in the world of vacuum sales. But office gossip also
20:18
Speaker 1: said their marriage was not exactly happy, and it was
20:21
Speaker 1: sort of common knowledge that Judy was having an affair
20:24
Speaker 1: with Barry Jones. A few employees had even caught them
20:28
Speaker 1: having sex at the office. Now, neither Barry nor Judy
20:32
Speaker 1: had mentioned this the first time Toth had spoken to them,
20:36
Speaker 1: So now Toth had no idea if anything they had
20:38
Speaker 1: said to him was true. Barry could have been lying
20:40
Speaker 1: about being in the bathroom and was actually, you know,
20:43
Speaker 1: the shooter. Or he and Judy were maybe working together
20:47
Speaker 1: and they were both lying. Toth was leaning towards the
20:49
Speaker 1: second option because he'd also found out that Judy was
20:52
Speaker 1: going to get a big payday from the death of
20:54
Speaker 1: her husband. She was the beneficiary of a $ 1 million
20:58
Speaker 1: life insurance policy. And aside from that, John's general estate
21:03
Speaker 1: was worth around $ 2 million.
21:05
Speaker 2: Maybe he thought, you know.
21:06
Speaker 1: She and Barry wanted to take John's money and run
21:09
Speaker 1: off together. So when Toth went into the interrogation room,
21:13
Speaker 1: he intended on essentially saying that the investigation was over.
21:17
Speaker 1: They'd caught Barry in a lie and they knew.
21:19
Speaker 2: What he did.
21:20
Speaker 1: But when Toth sat down and confronted him, Barry did
21:24
Speaker 1: not act like somebody who was guilty and cornered. He
21:27
Speaker 1: was charismatic and confident. And he said the affair was
21:30
Speaker 1: total office gossip. He was just good friends with Judy
21:34
Speaker 1: and they worked together closely. Barry said he and Judy
21:37
Speaker 1: and John were like family. In fact, he said he
21:40
Speaker 1: was living with one of Judy's cousins from Texas. Now,
21:43
Speaker 1: Toth didn't really believe what Barry was saying, but even
21:46
Speaker 1: though he kept pressing him, Barry stuck to his story.
21:49
Speaker 2: And eventually, Toth just had to let him go.
21:52
Speaker 1: Because without any evidence, it was just Barry and Judy's
21:55
Speaker 1: word against the employees. And even if they were having
21:58
Speaker 1: an affair, that was not enough to prove they also
22:01
Speaker 1: conspired to murder John.
22:07
Speaker 2: On Monday, April 21st, so four.
22:09
Speaker 1: Days after John's murder, Toth was at his desk rereading
22:12
Speaker 1: the notes from Barry and Judy's interviews for what felt
22:15
Speaker 1: like the millionth time. He was still trying to find
22:18
Speaker 1: a concrete way to link Judy and Barry to John's
22:20
Speaker 1: murder before approaching Judy about it. But so far, other
22:24
Speaker 1: than the office rumors, he hadn't found anything and he
22:28
Speaker 1: didn't really have any other leads, aside from learning that
22:31
Speaker 1: the shell casings found on the scene were from a.
22:33
Speaker 2: 25 caliber gun.
22:35
Speaker 1: Which was useful to know, but it wasn't going to
22:37
Speaker 1: help him with his suspect list. Toth leaned back in
22:40
Speaker 1: his chair and rubbed his eyes. He'd been full speed
22:43
Speaker 1: ahead on this case since Thursday night, and he was exhausted.
22:46
Speaker 1: He was starting to consider maybe going home and getting
22:48
Speaker 1: some rest when he heard a light knock on his door.
22:52
Speaker 1: An officer poked his head in and told Toth there
22:55
Speaker 1: was somebody on line three with a tip, and it
22:57
Speaker 1: sounded like a good one. Toth picked up his phone
23:00
Speaker 1: and and the person on the other end of the
23:01
Speaker 1: line explained they were a police officer as well from
23:04
Speaker 1: a nearby town, and they said that they had heard
23:07
Speaker 1: about John Parker's murder on the news and realized they
23:10
Speaker 1: had some information. So about six months earlier, this officer
23:15
Speaker 1: had been called to a local juvenile detention facility to
23:18
Speaker 1: take a report. The staff there had done a random
23:20
Speaker 1: search on their kids and found that two of them
23:23
Speaker 1: had a lot of cash, over $ 200. Having cash was
23:26
Speaker 1: against the rules, and when the kids were asked where
23:29
Speaker 1: they got it, They said it was payment for a
23:31
Speaker 1: hit on John Parker. Now, that stunned Toth, but not
23:36
Speaker 1: nearly as much as what the officer said next. These
23:39
Speaker 1: two kids said the person who had arranged this hit
23:42
Speaker 1: was a former high school classmate of theirs named Daniel Hicks. Now,
23:47
Speaker 1: Toth couldn't believe what he was hearing because Daniel Hicks
23:50
Speaker 1: was John's own 15-year-old stepson. Toth had really begun to
23:54
Speaker 1: think that this murder could be a professional hit. but
23:57
Speaker 1: it did not occur to him that this hit could
24:00
Speaker 1: be linked to family and also a child.
24:04
Speaker 2: Now, the officer on the.
24:05
Speaker 1: Phone explained that they really hadn't taken this very seriously
24:08
Speaker 1: at the time, so no one had notified John's family
24:11
Speaker 1: or spoken to Daniel about it. Which, you know, Toth
24:14
Speaker 1: did not have to point out here, but this was
24:16
Speaker 1: a huge screw-up. But he wasn't focused on, you know,
24:20
Speaker 1: the right and wrong of it. He was just focused
24:22
Speaker 1: on figuring out what happened. And so Toth got the
24:25
Speaker 1: names of these two kids with the cash.
24:27
Speaker 2: From the officer.
24:28
Speaker 1: And when he hung up, he immediately sent some of
24:30
Speaker 1: his own officers to track these kids down. Then Toth
24:34
Speaker 1: put in a call to Judy. He needed to bring
24:36
Speaker 1: her son Daniel in for an interview. And since he
24:39
Speaker 1: was a minor, Judy was going to have to come too.
24:44
Speaker 1: Late that same night, actually after midnight, Toth was once
24:47
Speaker 1: again inside of an interrogation room with Judy. But this time,
24:51
Speaker 1: instead of answering questions herself, Judy was sitting at the
24:54
Speaker 1: back of the room, watching while her son Daniel sat
24:57
Speaker 1: at the table with Toth and a few other detectives.
25:01
Speaker 1: Toth had spoken to Judy right before this, and she
25:03
Speaker 1: had seemed genuinely shocked to hear that her child apparently
25:07
Speaker 1: asked somebody to kill John. She told Toth there had
25:11
Speaker 1: to be a mistake here, and she was happy for
25:13
Speaker 1: police to speak to Daniel directly because that would allow
25:15
Speaker 1: them to clear this all up. Toth had decided not
25:18
Speaker 1: to ask Judy about the affair with Barry at that
25:20
Speaker 1: moment because she was being very cooperative, letting them speak
25:23
Speaker 1: to her son, and he also just didn't want to
25:25
Speaker 1: upset her and have her change her mind. They also
25:28
Speaker 1: had not been able to find those two kids that
25:31
Speaker 1: Daniel supposedly hired, and so right now Daniel was the
25:34
Speaker 1: only one he could speak to. And so now, watching Daniel,
25:38
Speaker 1: Toth could see he was acting like a typical young
25:40
Speaker 1: person who was in trouble. He seemed nervous, and he
25:43
Speaker 1: was blinking a lot, and He kept rearranging his hands
25:46
Speaker 1: like he wasn't really sure what to do with them.
25:48
Speaker 1: And so Toth decided his best approach was just to
25:51
Speaker 1: be direct. Maybe he could scare the truth out of Daniel.
25:54
Speaker 1: So right off the bat, he told Daniel he knew
25:57
Speaker 1: about the murder for hire. And he told him to
25:59
Speaker 1: explain himself. And to Toth's surprise, Daniel took a big
26:04
Speaker 1: breath and then said it was true. He had actually
26:08
Speaker 1: paid two friends some money he had saved from his
26:10
Speaker 1: allowance because he.
26:12
Speaker 2: Hated his stepdad.
26:13
Speaker 1: John was always on his case and yelling at him,
26:16
Speaker 1: and Daniel just wanted it to stop. But Daniel said
26:19
Speaker 1: he didn't want John to die. He was adamant that
26:22
Speaker 1: he had just asked his friends to, you know, teach
26:24
Speaker 1: John a lesson and beat him up.
26:26
Speaker 2: Todd thought about this.
26:28
Speaker 1: It was possible that Daniel was telling the truth here,
26:30
Speaker 1: and the two kids in the detention center either lied
26:34
Speaker 1: or had decided on their own to kill John. But
26:36
Speaker 1: that felt a little far-fetched, because why would these kids
26:39
Speaker 1: lie to get themselves in more trouble? Toth thought it
26:43
Speaker 1: was much more likely that Daniel was the one who
26:45
Speaker 1: was lying, and Toth was not about to let Daniel
26:48
Speaker 1: go anywhere until he found out for sure. So he
26:52
Speaker 1: told Daniel and Judy that he was sorry, but they
26:55
Speaker 1: were going to have to take Daniel into custody. Then
26:57
Speaker 1: Toth called some officers in to make the arrest, and
27:00
Speaker 1: as he left the room, you could hear Judy and
27:02
Speaker 1: Daniel sounding completely shocked behind him. Now, at this point,
27:06
Speaker 1: even though Toth had been up all night and he
27:08
Speaker 1: was totally exhausted, At the same time, he actually felt
27:12
Speaker 1: far more alert than he did even in the couple
27:14
Speaker 1: days before, because now it felt like they really were,
27:18
Speaker 1: you know, making movement on this case. And so instead
27:21
Speaker 1: of trying to get some rest back at his house,
27:23
Speaker 1: he went back to his office, poured some coffee, and
27:26
Speaker 1: kept on working.
27:34
Speaker 2: On May 15, 2003, so.
27:37
Speaker 1: Almost a month after John Parker's murder, Detective Don Toth
27:40
Speaker 1: sat at his desk reading some copy for a flyer
27:43
Speaker 1: and making some last-minute changes to it. So far, it's
27:46
Speaker 1: said that police were looking for information about John Parker's
27:50
Speaker 1: murder in Merrillville, and it offered a reward to anybody
27:53
Speaker 1: who came forward. Toth planned to pass these flyers out
27:56
Speaker 1: all over town tomorrow to see if the public could
27:58
Speaker 1: maybe give him a new lead.
28:00
Speaker 2: It was sort of an act of desperation, because while this.
28:03
Speaker 1: Case had seemed close a couple times to being wrapped up,
28:07
Speaker 1: you know, just a few weeks ago, now....
28:10
Speaker 2: It was pretty much dead.
28:12
Speaker 1: It had taken police a while, but they had finally
28:14
Speaker 1: found both of those kids from the detention center that
28:18
Speaker 1: Daniel apparently hired to, you know, rough up his dad
28:20
Speaker 1: who ultimately apparently killed him. And the kids admitted to
28:24
Speaker 1: meeting with Daniel and accepting the money. But it turned
28:27
Speaker 1: out there was just no way they were actually the murderers.
28:31
Speaker 1: One of them had been thousands of miles away in
28:33
Speaker 1: Las Vegas when John was killed, and the other had
28:37
Speaker 1: been in detention at a juvenile facility. And so since
28:40
Speaker 1: Toth could not prove the assassins Daniel hired had actually
28:43
Speaker 1: killed anyone, he'd had to let Daniel go. But that
28:47
Speaker 1: didn't mean Daniel was innocent here. Those two kids had
28:50
Speaker 1: said that Daniel did ask for John to be killed,
28:53
Speaker 1: not just beat up. So Daniel was lying about that.
28:57
Speaker 1: And Toth didn't think someone who wanted to kill his
28:59
Speaker 1: father had just stopped wanting to kill his dad all
29:02
Speaker 1: of a sudden. But since Toth knew Daniel was at
29:05
Speaker 1: home babysitting his younger siblings during the time of John's murder...
29:09
Speaker 1: Toth figured he'd likely gotten somebody else to do it.
29:12
Speaker 1: But Toth couldn't just keep talking to Daniel, because Judy
29:16
Speaker 1: had gotten a lawyer, and they were now not letting
29:19
Speaker 1: Toth question the family members at all anymore, which was
29:21
Speaker 1: very frustrating, since Toth wasn't done with Judy either. Out
29:25
Speaker 1: of everyone, I mean, she benefited the most from John's
29:28
Speaker 1: death because she was a beneficiary on his life insurance,
29:32
Speaker 1: and she was very likely having an affair with his
29:34
Speaker 1: office manager, Barry, And so maybe part of her motive
29:37
Speaker 1: could have been just to hide the affair from him.
29:40
Speaker 1: And then also Barry. I mean, he's potentially having this
29:43
Speaker 1: affair with Judy, John's wife. I mean, he might have
29:45
Speaker 1: a motive as well to get rid of John, but
29:47
Speaker 1: he's not sure. to just keep this thing a secret. Also,
29:50
Speaker 1: he definitely seemed to think that John was, you know.
29:52
Speaker 2: A pretty tough boss.
29:53
Speaker 1: And so maybe he just had had enough and he
29:56
Speaker 1: was complicit or actively involved in getting rid of John.
29:59
Speaker 1: He was also at the scene of the crime right
30:01
Speaker 1: when it happened. And since there weren't any cameras, Toth
30:04
Speaker 1: couldn't actually confirm Barry's version of events. But at this point,
30:09
Speaker 1: Toth didn't have the evidence he needed to prove any
30:13
Speaker 1: of these suspects actually killed John or hired somebody to
30:16
Speaker 1: do it. And he also didn't have enough evidence to
30:19
Speaker 1: eliminate them and narrow down his pool further. Instead, Toth
30:22
Speaker 1: had just kept adding to it. Because as of this week,
30:26
Speaker 1: he was also considering John's brother, David, as a person
30:29
Speaker 1: of interest. A few days ago, some officers had been
30:32
Speaker 1: called to Judy's house because John's brother David had stopped
30:36
Speaker 1: by her house and gotten into a verbal fight with
30:38
Speaker 1: the family. And this was not the first time this
30:41
Speaker 1: had happened. Apparently, David had gone over there and threatened
30:44
Speaker 1: the family before. One time, he'd even damaged their car.
30:48
Speaker 1: This kind of behavior could mean David was just lashing
30:52
Speaker 1: out because he was grieving, but it also could mean
30:55
Speaker 1: he was erratic and potentially violent. Plus, he had been
30:58
Speaker 1: with John on the afternoon of the murder at that buffet,
31:01
Speaker 1: and he knew that John was going to have dinner
31:02
Speaker 1: with his wife later, so he could have guessed that
31:05
Speaker 1: John would check in at the office after they were
31:08
Speaker 1: done eating, since he was a famously hard worker. Toth
31:11
Speaker 1: sighed and took a break from looking at this flyer.
31:14
Speaker 1: His brain was fried, but he felt hopeful these flyers
31:18
Speaker 1: would give him the tip he desperately needed to break
31:21
Speaker 1: this case. And so the next day, Toth and some
31:24
Speaker 1: other officers passed these flyers out.
31:27
Speaker 2: But then weeks went by with no tips.
31:30
Speaker 1: And even though Toth did eventually get a few responses
31:33
Speaker 1: to the flyers, none.
31:34
Speaker 2: Of them gave him any actual evidence.
31:37
Speaker 1: So over the next few months, Toth spent his days
31:39
Speaker 1: in his office, poring over files for something he missed
31:43
Speaker 1: or maybe a witness they didn't interview, or evidence they'd
31:46
Speaker 1: maybe overlooked.
31:47
Speaker 2: But there was just nothing.
31:49
Speaker 1: And as the months turned into years, Toth had to
31:52
Speaker 1: turn to other projects. And eventually, the John Parker murder
31:56
Speaker 1: case went cold. Four years after John's murder, on an
32:06
Speaker 1: afternoon in February of 2007, Toth arrived at work for
32:09
Speaker 1: the day and headed to his office. Now, he had
32:12
Speaker 1: not forgotten about the John Parker case, but he was
32:15
Speaker 1: not actively investigating it at this point. In fact, all
32:19
Speaker 1: his cases had been winding down because he was planning
32:21
Speaker 1: to retire in just a few months. But right before
32:26
Speaker 1: he actually got to his office door, a narcotics officer
32:29
Speaker 1: caught up to him and asked for a word. The
32:31
Speaker 1: officer explained that he knew Toth wasn't on their narcotics team,
32:35
Speaker 1: but they had a warrant out for a man involved
32:37
Speaker 1: in one of their drug investigations. And they had realized
32:40
Speaker 1: this man had some crossover with one of Toth's homicides
32:44
Speaker 1: from 2003, the John Barker case. Toth stopped in his
32:47
Speaker 1: tracks and immediately told this officer to go get him
32:51
Speaker 1: an interview. And sure enough, later that day, Toth sat
32:54
Speaker 1: down with this man who was very chatty and seemed
32:58
Speaker 1: extremely eager to talk. And the first thing this man
33:01
Speaker 1: did was explain that the person he lived with knew
33:04
Speaker 1: John Barker. And they had admitted to him that they
33:07
Speaker 1: were directly involved in his death. And when this man
33:11
Speaker 1: told Toth the name of this person, Toth couldn't believe it.
33:15
Speaker 1: He leaned back in his chair feeling both relieved and
33:18
Speaker 1: also disturbed. He was relieved because he finally knew who
33:22
Speaker 1: John Parker's killer was. And he was disturbed because this
33:27
Speaker 1: case was now way more twisted than he had ever imagined.
33:35
Speaker 1: Based on the police investigation and multiple confessions, here is
33:40
Speaker 1: a reconstruction of what investigators believe happened to John Parker
33:44
Speaker 1: on the night of April 17, 2003.
33:46
Speaker 2: At around 10 p.m.
33:55
Speaker 1: The killer crept slowly through the shadowy parking lot at
33:58
Speaker 1: J & J Parker Industries. They were wearing a mask
34:01
Speaker 1: and dark clothes, and they were carrying a.
34:03
Speaker 2: 25 caliber gun.
34:05
Speaker 1: They could see John's car by the office entrance with
34:08
Speaker 1: Judy sitting inside of it, but she was not the
34:11
Speaker 1: killer's target.
34:12
Speaker 2: John was.
34:14
Speaker 1: And John was also near the car. He was not
34:16
Speaker 1: inside of it. He was standing right outside one of
34:18
Speaker 1: the back car doors. It was open and he was
34:21
Speaker 1: rifling around, you know, inside the car looking for something.
34:24
Speaker 1: And as the killer stared at John thinking about what
34:26
Speaker 1: they were going to do next, they thought about John,
34:29
Speaker 1: who this man was and how controlling and selfish he was.
34:33
Speaker 1: He had made the killer's life a living hell. And
34:36
Speaker 1: now the killer was going to get retribution. So while
34:40
Speaker 1: John continued to have his back turned, the killer silently
34:44
Speaker 1: walked up right behind him. They raised their gun, aimed
34:48
Speaker 1: at the back of his head.
34:49
Speaker 2: And they fired.
34:50
Speaker 1: And it was a direct hit that hit him right
34:52
Speaker 1: behind the ear. And John fell so fast that when
34:56
Speaker 1: the killer fired a second time, they just missed. Now,
34:59
Speaker 1: the killer had never murdered anyone before. So they were
35:02
Speaker 1: shocked by what they had just done. But they were
35:05
Speaker 1: kind of jostled back into reality when they heard John's wife, Judy,
35:08
Speaker 1: yelling out and screaming. And so quick as can be,
35:11
Speaker 1: the killer grabbed John's wallet so the police would think
35:14
Speaker 1: this was maybe a robbery gone wrong. And then they
35:17
Speaker 1: turned and sprinted off into the night. Much later that night,
35:21
Speaker 1: the killer waited at home until the person who had
35:24
Speaker 1: masterminded this whole thing arrived. And they gave them a
35:27
Speaker 1: hug and said they had done a good job. The
35:29
Speaker 1: mastermind then took the gun, John's wallet, and the clothes
35:33
Speaker 1: the killer wore during the murder and told the killer
35:35
Speaker 1: they were disposing of them. And the killer just listened,
35:38
Speaker 1: feeling very relieved. He trusted the mastermind more than anybody
35:42
Speaker 1: else in the whole world. Because, after all, she was
35:46
Speaker 1: his mother. It would turn out, Judy had convinced her
35:51
Speaker 1: own 15-year-old son, Daniel... to murder his stepfather, her husband.
35:56
Speaker 1: Judy wanted to get out of her marriage with John,
35:58
Speaker 1: but she knew if she divorced him, she would have
36:01
Speaker 1: only gotten half of his estate and their business. And
36:04
Speaker 1: so with his death, she could get the whole thing. Now,
36:07
Speaker 1: she had actually already tried to kill John, just unsuccessfully. First,
36:12
Speaker 1: she had tried to poison him, but when that didn't work,
36:14
Speaker 1: she had hired a hitman herself.
36:16
Speaker 2: But that also failed.
36:18
Speaker 1: So finally, she asked Daniel to help by promising that
36:21
Speaker 1: he would get some of the money. And she had
36:23
Speaker 1: also enlisted her daughter, Christina, who was the one who
36:26
Speaker 1: found the gun to kill John with. Daniel actually tried
36:29
Speaker 1: to hire somebody else for the job, but then ultimately
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Speaker 1: just did it himself and used his younger siblings for
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Speaker 1: an alibi, saying he.
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Speaker 2: Was at home babysitting.
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Speaker 1: And the man who told all this to the police
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Speaker 1: was Christina's husband, who she married two years after John's death.
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Speaker 1: And once her husband gave authorities the whole story, police
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Speaker 1: interrogated both Christina and Daniel, who eventually confessed. Judy was
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Speaker 1: convicted of murder and sentenced to 33 years in prison
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Speaker 1: while Daniel got 23 years in prison. And Christina received
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Speaker 1: five years for her part in the murder as well.
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Speaker 1: Christina would die in 2013 from a drug overdose. Daniel
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Speaker 1: was released in 2017 and Judy was released in 2022.
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