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Shani Grimmond: The Break Up, the Boob Job & Finding New Love · Outspoken the Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Sharni Grimmond was at the height of her YouTube career. Oh,
• 0:05
  Speaker 1: my God, this is so intense. What the hell? She'd
• 0:09
  Speaker 1: hit the big time, notching up one million subscribers and
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  Speaker 1: deals with the world's biggest makeup brands.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, they're chanting.
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  Speaker 1: Now they're a couple.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, Sharni.
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  Speaker 1: But behind closed doors, Sharni was battling relationship doubt and
• 0:24
  Speaker 1: tensions were brewing in her famous friendship group.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, so I fucked up. I really fucked up.
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  Speaker 1: In this final installment, we explore Sharni's on-again, off-again romance
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  Speaker 1: with Jonathan Sauer, her life in Melbourne with Tommy Bug,
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  Speaker 1: and reports of a feud with Chloe Zepp.
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  Speaker 3: I got a boyfriend recently. Very fresh, very new.
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  Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to Outspoken. Now, we have a lot
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  Speaker 1: to cover today, so we are going to get straight
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  Speaker 1: into it. The breakup of our time. And that was
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  Speaker 1: the breakup between Sharni Grimmond and Jonathan Sauer. I remember
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  Speaker 1: this being so shocking at the time. So it was
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  Speaker 1: July 14th, 2017. And Sharni really broke the internet when
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  Speaker 1: she posted her video entitled, We Broke Up. This video
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  Speaker 1: racked up 2.1 million views.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And it was shot only two weeks after Sharni actually
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  Speaker 1: made the call to end her two and a half
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  Speaker 1: year relationship with Jonathan. She must have felt pretty sure
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  Speaker 1: about things because, you know, it's all pretty fresh then.
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  Speaker 1: She didn't give herself much room to change her mind.
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  Speaker 1: But I think that's because she would have had a
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  Speaker 1: lot of pressure from her followers. People noticed instantly that
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  Speaker 1: Jonathan was suddenly not in a lot of the content. Yeah,
• 1:37
  Speaker 1: he was missing in action. Now, she prefaced this video
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  Speaker 1: by saying that she knows she doesn't owe her viewers
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  Speaker 1: an explanation, but she wants to give them one because
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  Speaker 1: Jonathan was such a big part of her life and
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  Speaker 1: her channel that She felt like her viewers needed to
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  Speaker 1: know what went down and she also thought it was
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  Speaker 1: something that viewers might learn from and be able to
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  Speaker 1: relate to. Sharni wanted to make it clear in this
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  Speaker 1: video that the breakup was her decision and Jonathan didn't
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  Speaker 1: do anything wrong. Let's have a listen to what she said.
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  Speaker 3: Basically what happened was I fell out of love and
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  Speaker 3: it's so hard to say because like the last thing
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  Speaker 3: that I want to do is hurt John and I,
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  Speaker 3: oh fuck. I mean I had to like put myself
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  Speaker 3: first and I fucking hate hurting people but I had
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  Speaker 3: to put myself first. The last thing that I wanted
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  Speaker 3: to do was hurt Jonathan but as I said I
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  Speaker 3: think at the end of the day your own happiness
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  Speaker 3: is what's most important so I decided to tell him
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  Speaker 3: that I didn't really see like You know, a future
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  Speaker 3: like getting married and having kids and stuff with him.
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  Speaker 3: I just didn't feel like it was right for each other.
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  Speaker 3: I didn't feel like he was right for me. So
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  Speaker 3: I made the step to break it off with him
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  Speaker 3: and it was really hard.
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  Speaker 1: It was a good PR rap for Jonathan. Like how
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  Speaker 1: many girls would have been watching this going... fuck, he's
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  Speaker 1: the best boyfriend ever. Like, why is she dumping him? Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I felt like I needed to get the tissues out
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  Speaker 1: when I watched this again. I was like, oh my God,
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  Speaker 1: what a sweetheart is Jonathan? Like, he treated her so well.
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  Speaker 1: And this would have been because- As you said, Amy,
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  Speaker 1: there was a lot of speculation around where had Jonathan gone.
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  Speaker 1: And because he was older than her, he's a very
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  Speaker 1: attractive looking guy. I think people assume, oh, fuck, he
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  Speaker 1: must have done it wrong and cheated on her. So
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  Speaker 1: she wanted to make it clear that no one else
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  Speaker 1: was in the picture. It seemed like it was one
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  Speaker 1: of those breakups where she obviously said he didn't do
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  Speaker 1: anything wrong. I think it was the fact that he
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  Speaker 1: was hot, but he didn't have enough substance for her.
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  Speaker 1: That's what I think happened. I think she was wowed
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  Speaker 1: by his looks. But then when they started living together.
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  Speaker 1: She's a very bubbly person. And maybe she thought, well,
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  Speaker 1: we don't really have that back and forth. We don't
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  Speaker 1: have that spark. And as you said, Amy, she really
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  Speaker 1: spoke Jonathan up. So she said in this video that
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  Speaker 1: he made her feel so happy and so confident and
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  Speaker 1: like she was the most beautiful girl in the world.
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  Speaker 1: And it was clear that she felt a lot of
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  Speaker 1: guilt for making this call because she did break down
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  Speaker 1: several times in the video. And she got really emotional
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  Speaker 1: thinking about how Jonathan wouldn't be able to see her
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  Speaker 1: dogs Bindi and Peanut every day. And whilst Jonathan did
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  Speaker 1: end up moving out of this apartment, Shiny made it
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  Speaker 1: clear that it wasn't going to be a clean break
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  Speaker 1: because she said that Jonathan would still be working as
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  Speaker 1: her manager and he would still be seeing her family
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  Speaker 1: as he's very close with them. In those kind of breakups,
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  Speaker 1: the whole mention of, you know, he's going to still
• 4:37
  Speaker 1: see the family and he'll still see the dogs, That
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  Speaker 1: all happens up until there's a new partner involved and
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  Speaker 1: then that all stops. I mean, she must have felt
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  Speaker 1: really guilty, as you said, because he had quit his
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  Speaker 1: job to become her manager. So it wasn't just that
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  Speaker 1: like she was ending things with him. It was actually
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  Speaker 1: affecting his whole life. It was quite interesting because Sharni
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  Speaker 1: wanted to make it clear throughout this video that although
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  Speaker 1: she appeared upset, she was confident and happy in her decision.
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  Speaker 1: Here's what she said.
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  Speaker 3: I know that this is the right thing to do, but.
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  Speaker 3: I also felt like I just, like, I made the
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  Speaker 3: right decision. Like, I know this is the right decision
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  Speaker 3: and I know that this is, like, what I want.
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  Speaker 3: I'm 100% sure. So that's why I thought I would
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  Speaker 3: tell everyone because I know that's, like, it's not going
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  Speaker 3: to change. But I'm just really happy that me and
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  Speaker 3: Jonathan are on, like, really good terms. Like, we're texting
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  Speaker 3: right now. Like, he's still my manager. He still, like,
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  Speaker 3: represents me with, like, work and everything. So I'm glad
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  Speaker 3: I still, like, have him in my life on that
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  Speaker 3: side of things.
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  Speaker 1: This is quite difficult knowing what is about to come
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  Speaker 1: because I almost think that two weeks was too soon
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  Speaker 1: to tell the whole world that you've split. But at
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  Speaker 1: the same time, because Sharni and Jonathan were quite MAA
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  Speaker 1: from social media, there was speculation, so they had to
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  Speaker 1: address it. And what you're alluding to is the fact
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  Speaker 1: that they ended up getting back together in Not long
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  Speaker 1: after this, which we will get to in a moment. Now,
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  Speaker 1: Sharni did end this very dramatic video by telling her
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  Speaker 1: followers not to send any hate to Jonathan as he's
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  Speaker 1: not the bad guy and he's never done anything wrong
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  Speaker 1: in the relationship. So do you think he was copping
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  Speaker 1: hate before?
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  Speaker 3: Oh, yes.
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  Speaker 1: Because people were speculating? Oh, definitely. And that would have
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  Speaker 1: been so bad because you're like, I'm the innocent person.
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  Speaker 1: I haven't even broken up with this girl. Maybe Jonathan
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  Speaker 1: also instructed Sharni to say that. Like, oh, you're going
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  Speaker 1: to have to say something. Particularly because they were continuing
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  Speaker 1: to work together. So it's all very messed up and awkward. Well,
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  Speaker 1: shortly after the breakup, Sharni, who was just 20 at
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  Speaker 1: the time, asked her followers to weigh in on whether
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  Speaker 1: she should get a boob job. So she entitled the video,
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  Speaker 1: I Want a Boob Job. Here's what she said.
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  Speaker 2: Recently, I've been thinking about getting a boob job and
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  Speaker 2: I know that's a very serious topic and I kind
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  Speaker 2: of want to explain to you guys like why I
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  Speaker 2: want it, why I don't want it, and then get
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  Speaker 2: your opinion in the comments below because I literally don't know.
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  Speaker 3: What to do.
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  Speaker 1: Shani went on to explain in this video that she'd
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  Speaker 1: gone off the pill following her breakup and she noticed
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  Speaker 1: the appearance of her breast had changed quite dramatically and
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  Speaker 1: she said that they looked deflated and that they'd become
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  Speaker 1: saggy and She did a couple of close-up shots of
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  Speaker 1: her breasts in a crop top and pointed out all
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  Speaker 1: of the areas that she was concerned with. I do
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  Speaker 1: wonder if she regrets creating this video because it wasn't
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  Speaker 1: an announcement video where she'd locked in the procedure and
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  Speaker 1: the date and she was going ahead with it, but
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  Speaker 1: rather this video was asking her followers to weigh in
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  Speaker 1: about what she should do. It was kind of like
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  Speaker 1: a soft launch though. I think she decided already in
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  Speaker 1: her mind that that's what she was going to get done,
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  Speaker 1: but it was almost like she wanted her followers to
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  Speaker 1: be like, yeah, you kind of do need a boob job. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: but I think in asking their opinion, it almost gave
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  Speaker 1: them ownership or power over the situation. And because not
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  Speaker 1: everyone is going to feel the same way, it's going
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  Speaker 1: to lead to one half of your audience feeling like
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  Speaker 1: you've made the wrong decision. I remember she copped backlash
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  Speaker 1: as well at the time because people were saying, oh
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  Speaker 1: my God, your boobs look great. Like your boobs look
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  Speaker 1: better than mine. Fuck, should I get a boob job? Because-
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  Speaker 1: And I suppose, yeah, it made a lot of her followers,
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  Speaker 1: as you said, feel a bit disconnected from her or
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  Speaker 1: a bit self-conscious. Well, she said that the reason that
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  Speaker 1: she decided to talk about it publicly is because she
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  Speaker 1: wants people to know that this is something that she's
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  Speaker 1: choosing to do for herself and her own confidence. She
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  Speaker 1: wanted to reiterate that no one in her life is
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  Speaker 1: pressuring her to do it, which I thought was interesting. Well,
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  Speaker 1: it's also interesting the timing of it because it obviously
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  Speaker 1: came off the back of her and Jonathan breaking up.
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  Speaker 1: So people were assuming, well, are you doing this because
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  Speaker 1: now you're single or did Jonathan say anything about your boobs?
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  Speaker 1: It was also very clear in this video that she
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  Speaker 1: was concerned about how her followers would perceive her if
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  Speaker 1: she did go ahead with the procedure. Here's what she said.
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  Speaker 2: The last thing that I want is for you guys
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  Speaker 2: to think that, um, you know, I'm fake or that like, I'm,
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  Speaker 2: you know, I'm, I've changed after I get my boobs done. Like,
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  Speaker 2: I don't want, I don't want to be fake. Okay.
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  Speaker 2: Like I really don't. That's the last thing that I want.
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  Speaker 2: I love being like as natural as possible. Um, and
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  Speaker 2: I don't want other people's like opinions of me to change.
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  Speaker 2: Like once I like this goes ahead, whether it does
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  Speaker 2: or not, I really don't know. But, um, You know,
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  Speaker 2: I know a lot of people say to me like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: I look up to you because like you're natural.
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  Speaker 3: And well, I mean, I do have my lips and
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  Speaker 3: my teeth. I'm like, well, but I don't want like,
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  Speaker 3: you know, people.
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  Speaker 1: To be disappointed. It is so much responsibility for a
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  Speaker 1: 20 year old to have this on their shoulders. You
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  Speaker 1: can see that Shani is aware she's a role model
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  Speaker 1: to younger kids. And you can tell she's grappling with
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  Speaker 1: how to make a decision. that will make her happy,
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  Speaker 1: but also the fact that this decision could potentially impact
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  Speaker 1: others and how they view their bodies. I do think
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  Speaker 1: that Shani's mind was made up before she asked her
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  Speaker 1: followers whether she should go ahead because a few weeks
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  Speaker 1: later she was booked in for a consultation with a
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  Speaker 1: surgeon in Sydney and she also made the decision to
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  Speaker 1: document the whole process.
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  Speaker 2: Today's video, I'm going to be vlogging because I'm going
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  Speaker 2: to Sydney to get my boob consultation.
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  Speaker 1: Oh my God, they look so little today.
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  Speaker 3: I'm so excited.
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  Speaker 1: It was really sweet because Michael Finch flew over with
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  Speaker 1: her for the consultation and he kept squeezing all of
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  Speaker 1: the fake boobs. So Shani put some in and he's like,
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  Speaker 1: do you mind? And he squeezed them and he just
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  Speaker 1: kept doing it throughout the whole video and also subsequent videos.
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  Speaker 1: And he said that he had to be careful because
• 10:34
  Speaker 1: there was this theory online that he was actually closet straight.
• 10:39
  Speaker 1: And he was pretending to be gay though, so that
• 10:41
  Speaker 1: he could talk to pretty girls. Well, during the consultation,
• 10:46
  Speaker 1: Sharni tried on a few different sized implants and originally
• 10:49
  Speaker 1: she wanted to go quite small, but the surgeon told
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  Speaker 1: her as she has broad shoulders and a wide chest,
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  Speaker 1: she needed to go larger. This is where her age
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  Speaker 1: comes into it for me, because how is a 20
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  Speaker 1: year old? Are you going to have the confidence to
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  Speaker 1: stick to your guns and say, no, I want to
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  Speaker 1: go smaller and keep it natural. especially when the expert
• 11:08
  Speaker 1: is telling you what size he professionally thinks you should get.
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  Speaker 1: And she did say in the video that she's going
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  Speaker 1: to leave it up to the surgeon to decide on
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  Speaker 1: the size. And at the time there was a lot
• 11:19
  Speaker 1: of discussion about whether Sharni was old enough to be
• 11:22
  Speaker 1: getting breast implants because they aren't recommended for patients whose
• 11:26
  Speaker 1: boobs are still growing. So most people's boobs stop growing
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  Speaker 1: around 18, but there can be some people whose don't
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  Speaker 1: fully grow until their early twenties. And you know, she's
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  Speaker 1: 20 at the time. Yeah. A lot of people are
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  Speaker 1: questioning it as well, because as we said before, she
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  Speaker 1: did have good boobs. I mean, like it's obviously a
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  Speaker 1: personal opinion, but she also mentioned the fact that she'd
• 11:47
  Speaker 1: gone off the pill and obviously you have hormonal fluctuations.
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  Speaker 1: So people were saying, well, why don't you just go
• 11:53
  Speaker 1: back on the pill? Yeah, exactly. Well, I mean, also
• 11:56
  Speaker 1: when it comes to different implants, apparently if you choose
• 12:00
  Speaker 1: silicone gel implants, You have to be 22 years old
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  Speaker 1: before you get them done. Whereas if you have saline
• 12:06
  Speaker 1: breast implants, you can be 18. There are also concerns
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  Speaker 1: that young women don't actually consider the lifespan of the
• 12:13
  Speaker 1: breast implant. So they don't last forever. And if you're
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  Speaker 1: getting them done in your 20s, the likelihood is you
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  Speaker 1: have to get them redone in 10 to 20 years.
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  Speaker 1: And it's very expensive. It was quite funny because Sharni
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  Speaker 1: filmed the cab ride back from the consultation. And Michael
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  Speaker 1: was hilarious in this. He told Sharni that she needed
• 12:34
  Speaker 1: to provide a few more disclaimers in her vlog. Here's
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  Speaker 1: what he said.
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  Speaker 3: Did you do a little disclaimer?
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  Speaker 2: What's a disclaimer? I just want to let you guys
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  Speaker 2: know that this is my decision and I'm not saying
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  Speaker 2: that you guys have to go out and get fucking implants.
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  Speaker 3: Obviously.
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  Speaker 2: I meet so many people and they come up to
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  Speaker 2: me and they go, I've got lip injections because of you.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm like, amazing.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, no. That's so bad.
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  Speaker 2: But, like, they're older.
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  Speaker 3: It's not like they're fucking.
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  Speaker 1: 16 or something.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I obviously don't want people to get, like,
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  Speaker 2: this isn't me saying I want you to get a
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  Speaker 2: boob job.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think your boobs are good enough.
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  Speaker 2: I think it's just a personal decision that I'm making
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  Speaker 2: because I feel like it's going to make me happier.
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  Speaker 3: And I don't want it to, like, alter how anyone
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  Speaker 3: else feels about their own boobs.
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  Speaker 1: I can see why they focused on this disclaimer because
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  Speaker 1: at the time there was a lot of debate around
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  Speaker 1: whether it was ethical for influencers to share their experiences
• 13:29
  Speaker 1: about cosmetic surgery. There were of course fears that it
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  Speaker 1: could influence young women to not feel good enough in
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  Speaker 1: their skin and that it also might persuade women to
• 13:38
  Speaker 1: go under the knife without thinking of the possible repercussions. Well,
• 13:42
  Speaker 1: Shani ended up locking in the surgery and of course
• 13:44
  Speaker 1: she vlogged the whole thing. So Michael flew back over
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  Speaker 1: to Sydney with her and He was so supportive. He
• 13:52
  Speaker 1: ended up staying with her for a week while she
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  Speaker 1: recovered and they included everything. So they showed her getting
• 13:58
  Speaker 1: changed into her hospital gown. Shani spoke about the embarrassment
• 14:02
  Speaker 1: of having this old photo of her boobs blown up
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  Speaker 1: on the screen for all of the surgeons to see.
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  Speaker 1: And also just how painful the experience was. You could
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  Speaker 1: tell she was in a lot of pain. Well, that's
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  Speaker 1: the thing. As we said, there's so much debate around
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  Speaker 1: whether this actually influences young women. And I think sometimes
• 14:20
  Speaker 1: these surgeries, if I was thinking about it and I
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  Speaker 1: saw this video, I'd be like, no, thank you. Well, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: She showed that she woke up at 4 a.m. the
• 14:28
  Speaker 1: next day and she felt as though she was being
• 14:31
  Speaker 1: stabbed in the heart and she was struggling to breathe.
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  Speaker 1: She also ended up going a lot larger than she thought.
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  Speaker 1: So the surgeon ended up making that decision while she
• 14:41
  Speaker 1: was under, which is a bit controversial. Well, that's the thing.
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  Speaker 1: Like you feel like if you're spending all this money,
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  Speaker 1: I think the thought with a lot of women is, well,
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  Speaker 1: I may as well get the bigger boobs. I don't
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  Speaker 1: want to regret it.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Well, this vlog ended up getting 1.6 million views. And
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  Speaker 1: so many women I've spoken to have said that they've
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  Speaker 1: used this video as a guide to see what the
• 15:01
  Speaker 1: process involves and whether it is something that they'd want
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  Speaker 1: to go through. And other friends have even said that
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  Speaker 1: They've actually gone to Sharni's surgeon after seeing how good
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  Speaker 1: his results were. This wasn't paid though, was it? No,
• 15:13
  Speaker 1: she paid for this herself. But I think Sharni really
• 15:15
  Speaker 1: saw her channel as being almost like an educational platform
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  Speaker 1: where she wanted to help people if they also wanted
• 15:21
  Speaker 1: to get it done. Now, it's hard to believe after
• 15:23
  Speaker 1: seeing how supportive Michael was in this video, how quickly
• 15:27
  Speaker 1: cracks started to appear in their friendship. So there was
• 15:31
  Speaker 1: the infamous trip to the US in September 2017 where
• 15:35
  Speaker 1: that really rocked Sharni and Michael's friendship. Now, joining them
• 15:39
  Speaker 1: on the trip was Lily Brown, Reini Bransby and Sky Wheatley.
• 15:43
  Speaker 1: And it was clear from the group's vlogs that something
• 15:46
  Speaker 1: was really off between Michael and Sharni because in Michael's
• 15:49
  Speaker 1: two vlogs, he mostly filmed with Sky and Lily and
• 15:54
  Speaker 1: Sharni appeared in the background, but she wasn't like a
• 15:57
  Speaker 1: main character. Yeah, you could tell that she was definitely
• 16:00
  Speaker 1: on the outer of that friendship group. And she vlogged
• 16:03
  Speaker 1: alone a lot. And then when you watched Michael's videos,
• 16:06
  Speaker 1: it seems like there was a lot of tension between
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: the two.
• 16:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 16:09
  Speaker 1: And people really noticed it. So the comment section under
• 16:12
  Speaker 1: their YouTube videos was full of people asking if Michael
• 16:15
  Speaker 1: and Sharni were okay. And also asking if there was
• 16:18
  Speaker 1: a rift between Sharni and Sky. Now this fight was
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: short lived because within a month, Michael and Sharni were
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: back vlogging together, but it did take five months for
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: Sharni and Michael to address their US fight on YouTube.
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: So The first mention was randomly during a car trip
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: with the pair. I could sense in that video that
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: Sharni was still a bit annoyed about it, particularly the
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: reference to using it as clickbait. Well, three months later,
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: we got the full story when Michael uploaded a video
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: to YouTube called Get Ready With Me plus Sharni confronting
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: each other about our fight. And it was really awkward
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: to watch because Sharni was annoyed that Michael wanted her
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: to talk on camera about it rather than in person.
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: And it all came out that this fight started because Michael, Sky,
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: Lily and Rani all flew Economy X. While Sharni flew
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: business class by herself, but on the same flight. You
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: don't ever want to be that friend on a trip
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: that is away from the group for a long period
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: of time. Especially like, yeah, when you're flying first class
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: and everyone's a bit like, well, fuck you. Like I'm
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: stuck in cattle.
• 17:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: And I think because of Sharni's status within the group
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: as being, you know, the most known influencer and there's
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: a lot of hype around here. I felt like the
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: tone was that the others felt like Sharni thought she
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: was better than them for traveling first class. I don't
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: think that would have been the case.
• 17:38
  Speaker 3: No.
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: And it didn't help that Sharni had had a fight
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: with her mom right before the flight. So that's not
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: going to be helping the situation at all.
• 17:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: And I just think like all fights in your early twenties,
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: it just came down to a lack of communication because
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: Michael had sent Sharni a text asking if she was okay.
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: And she replied saying she didn't want to talk. And
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: Sharni felt like Michael didn't care that she was upset
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: about this fight with her mom. And then Michael felt
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: like Sharni was ignoring him. Interestingly, Sharni said she was
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: so upset that she texted her ex, Jonathan Sauer, even
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: though they were broken up, to see if she could
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: get off the flight. And Sharni also admitted that they
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: didn't talk to each other for the first day of
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: the trip and that he would talk to anyone but her.
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: And she ended up sitting downstairs by herself the whole time.
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: Isn't it wild that everyone picked up on it though?
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: Like as in, you know, the theory was correct. It
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: would have been hard for Sharni because... She's not only
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: going through this friendship issue with Michael and the other guys,
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: but she's also navigating this very high profile breakup. She
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: didn't let it stop her, though, from still talking about
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: Jonathan because she didn't shy away from any questions she
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: was asked about him and she would do the most
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: epic Q & As. And she entitled one of the videos,
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: Keeping in Contact with an Ex. And in it, she
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: discussed how she and Jonathan were on great terms and
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: in fact, still hanging out. She also touched on how
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: she would feel if he moved on with someone else.
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: Here's what she said.
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: Seeing their ex get in a relationship is always going
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: to be weird.
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: It's not something you.
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: Really like want to see, but whatever.
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: Me and John are friends right now and everyone was
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: fully freaking out when he uploaded a photo with Bindi
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: because we went for a walk. Like we hang out
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: all the time and he's my manager as well.
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: So like there's no beef at all. We're really close.
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: Like I literally texted him and I was like, do
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: you care if people know that we're like friends and
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: hanging out and stuff? And he's like, no, you always
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: talk about me though. And I was like, yeah, I know.
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: I'm sorry. Yeah.
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: But I love John I love that Jonathan was just
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: casually staring the pot by sharing this photo of him
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: on a walk with Bindi because you can just imagine
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: the reaction from their young fans Yeah. Well, it was
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: clear that he still wanted to be with Sharni. He
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: wasn't happy about this breakup. What was also quite clear
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: is how many people stand this relationship because people felt
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: like it was almost their own heartbreak and they were
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: desperate for sort of mom and dad to get back together. Now,
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: despite no update on their relationship status, over the next
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: couple of months, Jonathan would just randomly pop up in
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: Sharni's vlogs without any explanation. So In one vlog, Jonathan
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: just so happened to be standing in Shani's kitchen making
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: breakfast and then with his shirt off, mind you. And
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: then that night he was back in her apartment cooking
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: dinner again. I love that she actually showed that though.
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: Like how much like YouTubers, they used to reveal so
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: much more about their life, like making it juicy for
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: the viewers. In that same vlog, she did show Jonathan
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: wheeling out some old furniture and commented that he's still
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: in the process of moving out five months later. And
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: this led people in the comment section to start speculating.
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: So one follower wrote, patiently waiting for John and Sharni
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: to announce their back together. And that comment got 3.4
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: thousand likes. Whilst another said, you can clearly see that
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: as people, Sharni and John are so mature. The fact
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: they can still hang out with no bad blood and
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: respect each other is so admirable. I love them. The
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: baiting continued in a second vlog when Jonathan joined Sharni
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: and Michael on their merch shoot. So side note, this
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: photo shoot was extremely iconic. Neither would be seen dead
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: in any of these clothes now. So one of the
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: shirts had cartoon bindis on the boobs. When you say bindis,
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: that is her dog.
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: And we're going to share some highlights of the shoot
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: on our Instagram and TikTok if you want to check
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: it out. You might be thinking, oh, that sounds pretty
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: normal because Jonathan was still her manager and this was
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: a work shoot. But things got weirder later when Sharni
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: chose to put up a scene of her doing her
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: makeup whilst sitting on Jonathan's lap. And they then proceeded
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: to have this flirty chat back and forth about how
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: Jonathan works for Sharni. Here's what they said. Now I'm unemployed.
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: Now I'm self-employed now. I work for myself. And me.
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: You work for me as well.
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: I don't.
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: You don't?
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: No.
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: Well, you're my manager, so you do.
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: What is the term then?
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: I work with you. Oh, you work with me.
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: Followers had a field day with this video. So one
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: wrote the fact she was sitting on his lap while
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: doing her makeup. See ya, which got 2.3 thousand likes. Now,
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: a few weeks later, Shani teased her followers further by
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: uploading a video where she pranked Michael Finch that she
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: was pregnant with Jonathan's baby. I have to throw to
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: the clip because Michael's reaction was amazing.
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: So you know how last night I said I had cramps?
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: Uh-huh.
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: I went and got the pregnancy test.
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: No.
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: From there.
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: You're lying. Are you? No. Oh, fuck.
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: No, like, I'm not lying. Please tell me you're lying.
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: No.
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: I'm so stressed. That's why I'm late because I have
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: the worst cramps. What are you going to do?
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: I don't know. Oh my god, that's like next level.
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: I know.
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: Did you tell John? No. You haven't told John?
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: No. I'm too scared.
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: Oh. Oh my god. I know.
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: Shit's fucked.
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: Okay, step number one.
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: So she had hidden her camera in the back of.
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: This seat. So this was his genuine reaction to.
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: Thinking that Sharni was pregnant. Well, it's obvious that they
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: were still sleeping together. Oh, yeah, that's the thing. It
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: made it so clear that all of her friends were
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: aware that they were back together. One thing that was
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: so cute is Michael said that he was worried that
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: Bindi was going to feel replaced if Jonathan and Shani
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: had a baby. That seemed to be his major concern.
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: Can you imagine how big that would have been if
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: she was actually pregnant with Jonathan's baby? Well, particularly when
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: they were on a break. Yeah, but if you think about,
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: for example... when Sarah's day fell pregnant. Would that have
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: been what it's like? Like, would we now be seeing
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: family vlogs of the pair? Well, would they still be together?
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: I wonder.
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: I mean, Sharni was only 21 at this stage and
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: Jonathan was 26. Now, a few weeks later, Sharni addressed
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: the rumors saying that she'd fucked up and the breakup
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: was a mistake.
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: Right now, at this current moment, Jonathan and I are
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: not boyfriend and girlfriend. But let's put it this way.
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: Have you ever lost someone in your life and you thought,
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: I'm ready to move on with my life without them.
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: I'm ready to open the next chapter of my life.
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: And then when they're gone, you're like, what the f... Like,
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: why did I do that? Like, sometimes you've got to
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: lose someone to realize how much they mean to you.
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: It's so funny, like, saying that because the last video
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: I made was, oh my god, I still love him
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: so much, but I just can't see myself with him
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: for the rest of my life.
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: And now I'm just like, yeah, so I fucked up.
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: I really fucked up.
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: This was such a juicy viewing. It was like watching
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: a real-life soap opera. Yeah, everyone was living for these
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: little breadcrumbs that Sharni was throwing out there and the
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: news excited her followers so much because, as I said,
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: they constantly romanticised this relationship. Sharni said that she would
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: explain more in another video because there's so much she
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: wants to say and she feels like she has a
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: lot of explaining to do. Well, Sharni broke the internet
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: for a second time when she released a video called
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: Explaining Why John and I Got Back Together. This video
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: attracted 1 million views. So for context, this video came
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: out six months after the initial breakup video. And Sharni
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: was very nervous to put this out because she didn't
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: want people weighing in with their opinions, which of course
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: they were going to do. And she explained that following
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: the breakup, they went their separate ways. And she felt
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: really happy and didn't regret anything. And she said that
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: they stayed in contact only on a professional level and
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: were discussing work opportunities. But things really changed four months
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: into the breakup when she spotted Jonathan on a night out.
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: Here's what Shani said.
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: Four or so months went by of being broken up
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: with him.
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: And.
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: I remember I really started to miss having him around,
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: and it didn't really hit me until I saw him
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: when I was out one night. So just imagine me
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: and my friends dancing, having a great time, and then
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: little Jonathan walks past me, and I look over and
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: I'm like, oh my god.
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: The dogs totally ruined that moment. Bindy!
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: I remember just thinking, what? the fuck have I done?
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: Like it literally hit me like a ton of bricks. Like, yeah,
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: I was missing him.
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: I missed having him around. I missed him so much.
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: But like at this point when he walked past me
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: and I saw him in person, I was like, holy shit,
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: I've made the biggest mistake of my life. Like at
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: this point, I can genuinely say this is the biggest
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: mistake I've ever made.
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: I want to know, was this a jealousy thing? Like,
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: was he chatting to other girls at the nightclub or
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: did he just look really hot when he walked in?
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: I reckon it was the hot thing. Like, I think
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: sometimes probably like when she was in a relationship, she
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: probably thought, oh my God, there's all these other good
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: looking guys out there. And then suddenly when you're single,
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: you never seem to come across any of these good
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: looking people. It's like all these fucking duds. It's so true. Well,
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: I mean, maybe duds is a bit harsh, but That night,
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: she told her friends that she needed to get Jonathan back.
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: And she said that she went home distraught and she
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: hatched a plan to speak to him the next day.
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: So she begged to meet up with him and he
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: finally agreed. So she met at his house and she
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: said that she was too scared and nervous to tell
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: him how she actually felt because she was convinced that
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: he wouldn't take her back. So she intended on saying,
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: I don't want you to be my manager anymore. I
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: want you to be my boyfriend. But She instead just said,
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: I don't want you to be my manager. She didn't
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: follow up with the boyfriend thing. So it caused an
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: argument and she left there in tears. Is that the worst? Like,
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: you know, when you rehearse something in your head and
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: then it just doesn't come out right. Well, she said
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: that she'd never felt more upset. And it got to
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: the stage that night where she almost called herself an ambulance.
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: And she was also texting Jonathan saying that she needed help.
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: And he said that he really thinks that she should
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: talk to someone professionally as she wasn't coping well with
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: the breakup. And he was just so confused by it all. Well,
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: you would be. So the next day, Shani said she
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: convinced Jonathan to meet her during his lunch break at sushi.
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: And he was very confused by this point. So she
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: finally got the nerve to ask for a second chance
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: and he was shocked. Yeah. And he laid down the
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: law saying that if he was to take her back,
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: She needed to prove to him that she actually wanted
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: to be with him and she wasn't going to change
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: her mind again. So from that point on, Shani was
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: doing all of the grafting she was constantly asking him
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: to dinners and movies and they started catching up in
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: secret because she didn't want her followers being able to
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: weigh in and potentially ruin something that was so delicate
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: at that point and So with Sharni and Jonathan back together,
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: they set off for Sydney for an appearance with Princess
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: Polly and Benefits Cosmetic. And Michael was there, of course,
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: in tow because he and Sharni were doing a meet
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: and greet in the city. So they arrived on a
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: large bus to thousands of screaming fans dressed in their merchandise. Oh,
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: my God, this is so intense. What the hell?
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: Oh, they're chanting.
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: Now they're uncomfortable.
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: Oh, Sharni. Are you ready?
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: Oh.
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: Oh my God. Shiny and Michael ended up posing with
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: fans for five hours and it was absolute pandemonium with
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: fans chasing their car as they left. They also were
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: given a lot of presents. So Shiny was given countless
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: bouquets of flowers and fan art and lollies. It was
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: just crazy. I remember all of Michael Fincher's fan art.
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: Like they were like the cutest cartoons of him. There
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: was some drama that went down ahead of the meet
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: and greet though. So Before the event, someone tweeted Michael
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: saying they were going to egg him. So Princess Polly
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: and Benefits had to put on extra security guards. Luckily,
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: he did not get egged. Now that Sharni and Jonathan
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: were reunited, they travelled to Bali to celebrate their joint birthdays.
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: For some reason, I really stand the fact that they
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: had the same birthdays. It was just very cute. It
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: would actually be pretty shit, to be honest, though. Well,
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: Jonathan actually said in this vlog that he would put
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: up a post for Sharni's birthday and his friends would
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: be like, oh, happy birthday, Sharni, and they'd all forget
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: that it was his birthday. Now, whilst things seem to
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: be going well up until this point, The Bali trip
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: really showed that cracks were starting to appear in their
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: relationship because they filmed a couple Q & A and
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: they dived into the breakup and the future. And it
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: was clear that they weren't really on the same page.
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: And in this Q & A, they answered a lot
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: of awkward questions, including, did Jonathan get back with Shani
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: because she got breast implants? I just love that they
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: went there. So Jonathan dropped a bomb by saying that
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: They actually got together before Sharni got them done. So
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: he flew to Sydney to bring Sharni home from her surgery.
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: Things got even more awkward when followers asked questions about
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: kids and marriage and Sharni appeared hurt by Jonathan's response.
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: Let's have a listen.
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: Are you and John ever going to get married?
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: Are we ever going to?
• 32:15
  Speaker 3: Well, yeah, if we're still together.
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: It's a dance.
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: Do you feel bad for saying that?
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: No, like.
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: That's mean. Is it?
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: No, well, like, obviously, I'm being realistic.
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: Um... I.
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: Don't know.
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: We don't... We're not like the... Oh, no, no, not
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: like that.
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: I don't mean I don't know that.
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: I'm just going to cut that one.
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: Shut up.
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean.
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: Danger.
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: It's all that matters.
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: To me, this made it sound as though Jonathan didn't
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: feel very secure in the relationship, because if we remember...
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: Sharni broke up with him because she couldn't see a
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: future with him. So he probably didn't want to make
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: himself look foolish by gushing about marriage and kids when
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: things were still pretty fresh. It could have been a
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: sour point for them as well, talking about kids and marriage,
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: because there was a bit of an age gap. In
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: another question, Jonathan revealed that when he and Sharni started
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: talking again, He had a big guard up, but now
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: they're back together. They're back to where they used to be. Yeah,
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: it was awkward because Sharni butted in being like, is
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: that a good thing though? Because it almost sounded as
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: though they were back to that stale time in their relationship.
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: Now everyone's fears were confirmed when Sharni released a Q &
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: A called The Breakup, Happiness and New Beginnings. And in it,
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: she confirmed that she and Jonathan had broken up for
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: real this time and she doesn't want to make it
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: a big deal. She said, the answer is simple. It's
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: not going to work between us. And she was very
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: mindful that her followers might be emotional about the breakup
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: saying this.
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: I'm just sorry if it upset you guys at all,
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: because I know everyone looks online and they see all
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: these couples and you think, oh my God, they have
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: the perfect relationship.
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: Trust me.
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: You literally have no idea what goes on behind the camera.
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: Like I'm, I'm sitting in here filming this video. It's
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: And then you go back to like your normal life.
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: So what I'm trying to say is like, you see
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: the smallest portion of someone's relationship or someone's life. And
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: I know it can look so good from online. And like,
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: obviously you're only going to post like the positives of
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: the relationship. And that's what I did. So it creates
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: this like mental image in people's head. Like, oh my God,
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: they're so perfect. They're so cute. I can't wait for
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: them to have kids. I can't wait for them to
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: get married. But like, you've just got to think about like,
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: it's like, it's not perfect. Like every relationship that you see,
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: it is not perfect at all.
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: I really liked the way that Sharni addressed the fact
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: that although their relationship looked picture perfect online, it was
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: far from that. And at this stage, Sharni said that
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: Jonathan would continue on as her manager, but they're both
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: ready to move on separately in their lives. Following the breakup,
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: Sharni took a step back from sharing about her private life.
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: She was still active on YouTube, but concentrated on trend
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: videos or makeup tutorials. So in a video entitled The Truth,
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: Sharnu revealed Jonathan was no longer her manager. Here's what
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: she said.
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: Jonathan used to be my manager and obviously breaking up
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: and everything it just I just felt like it was
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: the best thing to just separate that completely from my
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: work just because I feel like work is so important
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: and I just didn't want to jeopardize it at all
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: so I was like okay I think it's time that
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: we both move on from that chapter of management I
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: just didn't think it was really healthy so it I
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: then went over to someone else and then someone else
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: and then someone else. And it was just so hard
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: to find the right manager and for someone to be
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: able to do what I wanted them to do.
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: This was the right decision for both Shani and Jonathan.
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: There is just no way that you could continue working
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: alongside your ex and keep your finances tied together like that.
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: Because surely Jonathan would have still been getting 10% of
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: every one of Shani's deals. Maybe 15%. Yeah. And I mean,
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: things would have just gotten so messy once they both
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: started dating new people. It's interesting because Shani also used
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: the video to tease that she was coming out with
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: her own brand very soon, which is even more reason
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: to cut ties financially with your ex.
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: And it was quite sad because this wasn't your happy,
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: typical Shani video. You could see in her eyes that
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: she looked really sad and her tone was all off.
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: And She had said that she had been going through
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: a lot. She admitted that she had been struggling badly
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: with anxiety, which had led her to feeling insecure and
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: unconfident and not wanting to film. And she said that
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: when she feels anxious, she goes into her own little bubble,
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: which isn't healthy for her. She was really honest in
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: this video. So she said she's seeking support from a
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: psychologist and her best friend, Chloe, was also a great
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: support system to her. She's mentioned that she was spending
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: more and more time in Melbourne with Chloe as well.
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: When I think about it, Sharni was the first person
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: I ever heard speak openly about anxiety. It was before
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: people freely spoke about their mental health. And I think
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: Sharni's openness about it really helped break down stigma and
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: pave the way for others to discuss how they were feeling. Yeah. Now,
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: at the end of 2018, a new man entered the scene,
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: Carlton footballer Tommy Bug. Now, Tommy was playing football in Melbourne.
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: And he was living with Chloe Zepp and Mitchell Orville.
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: So Mitch's dad, Mark Orville, and his brother both played AFL.
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: So Mitch is very connected in that world. And Tommy
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: also ran a talent management agency called Zeus, which Chloe
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: and Mitch were both signed up to.
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: And Shani met Tommy while she was visiting Chloe in
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: Melbourne and they immediately hit it off. It was quite
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: interesting because unlike her past relationship with Jonathan, Sharni kept
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: the start of this relationship very much under wraps. So
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: they dated for about three months before Sharni announced to
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: her YouTube followers that she was moving to Melbourne to
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: be with Tommy. Here's what she said.
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: I got a boyfriend recently.
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: Very fresh, very new.
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: I'm sure you guys know if you keep up to
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: date with like my Instagram and stuff or like Snapchat,
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: probably post the most on Snapchat posts.
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: About our relationship.
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: But yeah, for the most part, it is quite private
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: for now because it is so new. But he lives
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: in Melbourne and it's honestly the worst doing long distance relationships.
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: Like we've tried it for, I mean, we've been like,
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: I guess like trying to do it like this.
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: For like three months.
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: This was a really hard decision for Sharni as she'd
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: be moving away from her family and also Michael Finch,
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: who were all in Brisbane. And Michael wasn't happy about
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: the move. And Michael moved from Victoria to be closer
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: to Shani in Brisbane. That's why he was really upset
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: because he thought, oh, we can film together.
• 38:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: And I mean, it's pretty clear that Sharni had very
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: strong feelings for Tommy because she said that she is
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: willing to make these changes for him. It would have
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: helped having Chloe and Mitch also in Melbourne. At least
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: she wasn't moving there without any friends.
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: It was interesting because when she first spoke about Tommy
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: in this vlog, she did preface that long distance is
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: so tough and that is the only thing that they
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: fight about. And When they're not together, they get frustrated
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: by the distance. Well, it would be hard because– Well,
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: you've done long distance. Well, yeah, but I was also
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: going to say like Tommy was playing AFL football at
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: the time. You can imagine– he was like– he's a
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: good-looking guy. You can imagine there would have been girls
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: after him. But it's a big move moving from Brisbane
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: to Melbourne to a cold Melbourne Brisbane's beautiful and warm
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: and sunny and then Melbourne is so different it's just
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: such a different vibe I mean the initial plan for
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: Shani was that she was going to move to Melbourne
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: for nine months and then come back to Brisbane every
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: two weeks now very soon into Shani actually moving to
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: Melbourne Tommy shocked the sporting world by retiring from football
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: to focus on his talent management agency. And at this stage,
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: he was already managing Sharni and also Chloe and Mitch. So,
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: I mean, Sharni must have a thing for managers. This
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: is her second boyfriend who is her manager. I remember
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: at the time, everyone was kind of blaming Sharni for
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: the fact that Tommy Bugger retired because it was so
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: odd because he was in the prime of his footy career.
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: And to pull the pin like that I don't know.
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: I mean, is it still successful? Zoots, I'm assuming he's
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: doing all right. Yeah, I have heard. I mean, I
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: heard a couple of years ago that they were opening
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: up agencies in each state. I mean, I actually don't
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: think Sharni was happy about it because in a vlog
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: she said, oh, I've just moved here and now he's
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: not even playing anymore. So I don't actually think it
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: was down to him. You at least want to go
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: to a couple of the games. I know, you want
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: to be a wag for a while. Well, Tommy told
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: the media at the time that his passion for the
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: game had dwindled and his focus was was increasingly turning
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: to his business. He said in the space of seven
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: months that Zootz had gone from a startup to a
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: multi-million dollar firm. You'd also assume that living with Chloe
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: Zepp and Mitchell Orville, who were, you know, they were
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: on the party scene at the time, and also having
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: your girlfriend as an influencer. he would have seen this
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: lifestyle that they were leading. Like when you're an AFL footballer, yes,
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: you are getting good money but you're having to get
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: up early every day, go to training. Oh, cry me
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: a river. No, but I'm saying there's a lot of
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: commitment to it and then he's seen probably people earning
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: even more than him for perceivably not doing as much work. Well,
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: I don't know. It's not like being an AFL footballer
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: is your typical nine to five grind. No, I'm not
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: saying that but you actually have to put in a
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: lot of time like training and the diet and there's
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: a lot of commitment involved.
• 41:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: Well, sadly, it wasn't long before rumors of a feud
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: between Khloe and Shani broke out because out of nowhere,
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: Khloe and Shani unfollowed each other. And, you know, I
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: take my hat off to them because they both kept
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: the fight offline, but it still did lead to a
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: lot of speculation. And a micro-influencer called Sheridan O'Malley, who
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: was friends with Michael Finch, spoke out about the feud
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: in 2020. So I want to point out that these
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: are all allegations. So Sheridan claims that the feud started
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: back in early 2019 after Sharni moved to Melbourne to
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: be with Tommy Bug. And it's rumored that Sharni actually
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: met Tommy while she and Jonathan were on a break. Now,
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: Sheridan claimed in this video that Tommy was cheating on
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: Sharni and Chloe knew about it. So allegedly, again, this
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: is not confirmed. Allegedly, Chloe confronted Tommy about the rumours.
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: But Sharni told her to stay out of it and
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: was very angry that Chloe got involved because she'd just
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: moved to Melbourne to be with him and she didn't
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: want to hear about it. Oh, that is so tough
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: for both Sharni and Chloe because in this situation. If
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: it is true. Yeah, if it's true and Tommy cheated,
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: he's the fucking dirtbag who's putting each of them in
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: this really awkward situation because sometimes if you're the friend
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: and you reveal this horrible news about someone's boyfriend, it
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: gets kind of turned on you and you're seen as,
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: I mean, you're the messenger but you're seen as, the
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: person providing really bad news. Well, it'd be particularly awkward
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: for Chloe and Mitch because if you're living with someone,
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: you're going to see her there bringing back at night time.
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: Now Sheridan also claims that Chloe and Mitch sat Sharni
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: down and told her this guy is bad news and
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: you need to break up with him. The other rumour
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: floating around is that the feud is down to activewear.
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: So just as Chloe brought out her new activewear line
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: called Zep, Sharni got signed as a Gymshark ambassador. So
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: it's rumored that this caused tension between the pair. It's
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: a hard one because these are all just rumors. We
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: don't actually know what went down. Sharni and Chloe have
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: never addressed it. It is pretty common though to have
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: a friendship breakdown in your early 20s. It's such a
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: relatable thing. So many people go through it. It's always
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: when boys are involved though, have you noticed? Yeah, they
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: always come in and ruin everything. Now this is where
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: things get interesting because Tommy and Sharni broke up in
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: August 2020 and And Sharni blamed the long distance because
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: she only ended up spending five months in Melbourne at
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: the end and moved back to Brisbane. And they both
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: decided that, well, long term, she didn't want to live
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: in Melbourne and long term, he didn't want to live
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: in Brisbane. Now, Sharni posted on her Instagram story saying,
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: I can say from the bottom of my heart that
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: I've never had so much love and respect for another human. Now,
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: it sounded like they were on very friendly terms, but
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: speculation started to grow that Tommy was the reason for
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: the feud between Khloe and Shani because three weeks after
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: the breakup, a photo emerged of Shani meeting Khloe's baby, Artie.
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: And this was the first time they'd posted publicly with
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: one another. And this really strengthened the rumour that their
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: fight had something to do with Tommy. It surprises me
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: when looking back that three months later, Sharni met a
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: DJ from the Sunshine Coast called Jacob Tompkins. Yeah, I
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: can't believe it happened so quickly. Yeah, that just seems like,
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: I don't know if it's to do with COVID or what,
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: but that just seems like really different timing. So as
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: well as DJing, Jacob was also a part-time model. and
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: three years Sharni's junior. We'd never really seen her date younger.
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: No.
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: Because they're still together now. Maybe she needed to go
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: for a younger guy.
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: Well, she's got good taste. Yes, he's very cute. So
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: they instantly hit it off and they started dating and
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: he ended up appearing in a handful of Sharni's vlogs.
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: I can't say that I know Jacob like I know
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: Jonathan Sauer because this is when Sharni really took a
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: step back from filming and she put all of her
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: effort into building her swimwear brand Silk Swim. So she
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: enlisted the help of Chloe Zepp and Hannah Orville to
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: model alongside her in the first campaign. And not surprisingly,
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: the first launch sold out in just minutes. But Shani
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: was very clever because she knew that in order to
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: have longevity in the business, she couldn't just rely on
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: her name. So she started to build a brand that
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: could stand alone without her being the face of it.
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: So with her second drop, she wanted to ensure that
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: the line was inclusive and that all women felt like
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: they were reflected in it, which was pretty revolutionary for
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: the time. Now, five years on, this business has grown
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: from strength to strength. And just recently, she hit 100,000
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: followers on Silk Swim's Instagram account. Sadly, we haven't seen
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: a YouTube video from Shani since 2022. But after listening
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: to our series, Sharni has declared she misses her followers
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: and she misses sharing about her life. Whilst a YouTube
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: return doesn't appear to be on the horizon, Sharni said
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: she will be sharing more about her life on TikTok.
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: And I can't wait because after going through this whole series,
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: I'd forgotten how much I enjoyed Sharni's content. I missed her. Yeah.
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: And she just seems like one of those old friends.
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: that maybe you haven't caught up for coffee with for
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: a while, but you'd really like to. Yeah, I would
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: highly recommend people going back and re-watching some of her
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: old videos because she is just so natural at speaking
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: to the camera. I feel like I should have a
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: thesis in Shani Grumman by now because I have put
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: this deep dive together. That is where we are going
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: to leave you though. Thank you so much for listening
• 47:06
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• 47:08
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• 47:11
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• 47:14
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• 47:17
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• 47:20
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• 47:32
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• 47:35
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