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Radio Ranch with Roger Sayles Archive Replay 101726 - From Team Law to Market Turmoil: Questions That Break the Spell · Global Voice Radio Network's tracks

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  Unknown: Well, there you go. Kicking off the old daily get together. Oh, I I got the right things punched there. The daily get together here on the radio ranch, Roger Sales. It's Tuesday,
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  interesting day of the week for me and the date of our show today is the 05/28/2019,
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  People's Patriot
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  Network, our fledgling platform
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  that we're tickled to death to have,
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  and you out there in the audience,
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  whoever and wherever you may be, tickled to have you there also.
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  Boy, I got a really, you know, it's interesting
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  to do this. We don't have a
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  gigantic
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  audience. We may have one of these days, we may not.
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  I don't know. I keep thinking that at some point in the future, the more and more people, I know there's people out there looking for answers.
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  Unfortunately,
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  what we run across, as you saw yesterday,
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  with two examples, I'm looking at one of them here,
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  Shanti.
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  Me
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  just in the last day or two
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  off of the Graham
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  Hitchcock,
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  I believe, show that I did a couple of weeks ago, Paul's buddy over there on EFR,
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  we picked up a couple of listeners from that appearance and
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  I have to hand it to this gentleman. I don't even know his name yet
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  other than his handle.
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  He'd gone back and done a lot of research. He'd looked at a lot of stuff and listened to some of the archive shows and
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  obviously was titillated by the information and still can't believe that this
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  approach of ours has so much validity.
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  And of course, we had Corey, my friend Corey, mine and Brent's,
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  mutual friend Corey
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  on yesterday, just about the whole program. And I had spent Saturday night over at his house, his
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  beautiful home down here,
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  and
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  with his wife for a birthday party and
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  nice little cookout and stuff.
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  And we had, of course, that discussion. We've had it previously a bit, and it's not to single Corey out because he's certainly not the only one,
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  but people have
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  a really difficult difficult time
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  believing that these people aren't all powerful and all omnipotent,
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  like Johnny Carson, you know, with the great,
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  whatever they used to call, Carnac the Magnificent,
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  and they think that these people that run the world are Karnak the Magnificent because they can project their power
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  and
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  they have power, let's face it,
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  but their power is based on fraud.
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  I think what our people have a hard time understanding is that they follow a system of law.
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  They follow it pretty regularly, really,
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  and that is, of course, epitomized and illustrated by the
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  non reaction to
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  our folks that have filed paperwork,
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  declarations,
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  affidavits,
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  whatever,
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  and the fact that
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  as you get back and really start studying this and understand it, it has to be that way.
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  It has to be that way.
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  But they've done such a wonderful job of projecting this
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  terrorism,
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  that's what it is,
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  terrorism of the populace to think that they're like God Almighty, I mean in the populace's
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  mind they have taken the place of God.
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  Let's face it, they may not come out and tell you that, but you can hear it from their
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  reaction when they're presented the fact that, hey, this is a voluntary thing and you can get out of this real easy.
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  They won't evidently,
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  they won't say a word.
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  They don't even say boo.
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  The great powerful
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  and that's just what this is like is the Wizard of Oz,
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  the great powerful
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  Oz
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  who when the little Carn Terrier Toto
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  rips the curtain back is just a shrink.
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  I'm surprised he doesn't have a hook nose and a yamacon.
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  Just a shriveled up little old sick man
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  that can pull levers and press buttons,
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  who has no authority.
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  And that's why we've got a situation here. They don't have any authority unless
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  you're in this class.
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  If you're in this class,
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  they can do whatever the hell they want to you because in their eyes and under their system, whether you believe it or not, you're considered to be property.
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  And I know we didn't get into this yesterday, but Daryl touched on it.
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  Daryl touched on it when he was trying to talk to Corey,
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  and he was talking about how
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  you get exposed to this and you find out how much you don't know.
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  And you start digging a little bit and you find out, man, there's a whole bunch I don't know.
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  Like, I've been on this earth forty something years and I didn't even understand that there's two different ways to look at one word, single word called property.
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  And,
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  you know, it's what the old Pogo thing? I've seen the enemy and it's us.
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  I've seen the enemy and it's us. It's us that have been undereducated.
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  It's us that have been uncurious.
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  It's us that have been too complacent.
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  It's us that have been willing to go along with the crowd because everybody else did it, and that's the way it is. That's the problem we got because those people come out of that world and go, this can't be the way it is. It can't be this simple to get out of this. They can't recognize
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  it,
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  but they do.
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  And it really goes back to
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  Wattel
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  and the
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  Law of Nations and some basic...
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  You know,
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  we get away from the basics.
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  Man, we gotta get back to the basics, basic ways of looking at things, basic ways of setting up things, of trying to handle conceptual
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  ideas.
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  You know, and the big concept here is hell,
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  even today to this day, we use the excuse of a tyrannical leader to go and mash and bash and all these countries all over the damn world so we can get their resources or their strategic location.
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  Okay? And what's the excuse? Well, they're a tyrant.
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  Well, they're a tyrant. Look, all those god banned that Assad
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  over there in Syria. My, he must be horrible.
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  Qaddafi down there in Libya. Oh god, what a dictator. Dictator, that's the word. Tyrant, a dictator. Basically, the same thing.
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  So, even to this day, that's excuse they use to go out and do their dirty work all over the world.
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  Look at, mean, Venezuela, how many examples you want?
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  And yet if you go back and look at this logically, simplistically really is the approach
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  and go, well, hey, if if they tell me what I am, that I'm a slave, that's tyranny.
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  That's tyranny just like they're accusing Gaddafi and Assad and all these people of. That's tyranny. I'm telling you what you are. I own you. I control you. You're going to do what I say and you're going to do it within these rules and these parameters.
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  That's tyranny.
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  The tyranny has been dispelled and despised in this world for hundreds of years,
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  but that's what it is if they tell you what you are.
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  And then you start looking at this and the confusion that you're going through as an individual if you're new to this,
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  and
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  I think this helps the older folks too.
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  But if you look at this and you go, Man, it is complex because I know what I had to go through to figure it out, and each one of you have had to go through some sort of similar process.
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  Fortunately, you got a guide. I had to pioneer this thing.
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  I had John and Glenn right there to help me, thank god.
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  But it's confusing. It it it's incredibly confusing and it's intentionally set up
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  to be incredibly confusing. Why?
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  So, they can turn around and ask you what you are
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  and you don't know all these terms and stuff, and like the little sheep being led to the slaughter, check the boxes, yes, I'm a citizen of The United States, yes, I'm a resident, and you sign something confirming your servitude.
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  They already know you're in servitude, they already got you there, that's what their system is.
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  All they're doing is asking you to confirm it so they've got the consent of the governed,
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  and that makes the whole damn thing constitutional.
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  You may not believe it, but that's the way it is.
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  And so they've set up this elaborate... Well, let's call
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  it what it is,
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  the label right there on
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  the horse, okay? It's fraud,
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  and it doesn't matter which body of law you're in,
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  fraud is a big no no.
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  They know it's fraud. They've gone to great lengths to set this up, cover it up, put layers and layers. Just like the cat getting out of the cat box, man. They sit there and scratch and scratch and scratch to get all those layers of cat litter over that poop.
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  And that's what these cats have done. They've scratched and scratched and scratched and put layer and layer and layer of deceptive
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  words, deceptive ideas, deceptive concepts,
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  alternating words, everything under the book and those of you that have been through this and have got your arms around this know exactly what I'm talking about.
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  Those of you that are new,
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  it's very simple, go to the keywords,
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  start tying the keywords, and get the key concepts,
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  and learn to start asking questions,
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  and learn to question
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  everything,
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  everything.
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  It was over almost
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  twenty years into this or more before I zeroed in on one word in the fourteenth amendment that tells it all.
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  Lord have mercy. How did I miss this for so many years as immersed in-depth as I've been in this information in my life.
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  All persons born are naturalized in The United States, comma,
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  and and
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  and
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  subject to the jurisdiction thereof,
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  comma,
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  are citizens of The United States and the state wherein they reside.
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  Now how different does that read from this? All persons born or naturalized in The United States, comma, are subject to the jurisdiction thereof, comma,
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  are citizens of The United States and the rest of the state and where they reside, residents, however you want to word that.
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  See the little word and and are
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  throws a whole different
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  meaning,
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  concept, point, and the whole thing to that one first sentence, and that one first sentence right there that I just read to you in two different
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  phases
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  is the sentence that controls this world.
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  Because the US dollar is the world's reserve currency,
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  therefore it controls.
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  And the only way they could ever get that currency collateralized
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  to that extent
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  is by pulling off this little deal they've pulled off.
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  Hey, Chris.
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  See, you know, I've got the I've I've got the secret. Now I know how those... How to keep those tones off the air. So
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  good. Good to have you with us. How you doing, man?
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  Unknown: Well, I'm just rising up here in Arizona at the beautiful side of Freedom,
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  and
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  everything is pretty good this morning, I have to say. I didn't freeze to death. That was good.
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  Unknown: That's good. Well, it's only late May.
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  Are you up... What's your altitude where you are?
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  Unknown: 6,000 feet.
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  Unknown: Oh, you're up at six k.
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  Unknown: Yes, sir. In fact,
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  it's... Numbers of people have noticed the unseasonably
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  cool weather
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  of this anomalous weather
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  change that we are seeing here on the planet due to solar minimum and polar shift and other exacerbating
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  influences apparently that
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  perhaps man caused
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  the weather changes. There
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  seems to be a carcophony
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  of things that are making it unseasonably
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  cool around America,
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  especially, and maybe all around the world.
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  Unknown: Yes. It's happening. It's out there.
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  People are still... Even the ones that are out there
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  demonstrating
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  against global warming are wearing sweaters.
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  Unknown: Kinda preposterous.
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  Unknown: Yeah, it is. The whole thing's preposterous when you get your arms around it.
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  Yeah,
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  they'll get it straightened out.
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  So
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  and just to my friend here,
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  but not you, not that you're not my friend, Chris, this other friend that I'm communicating with here on the side,
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  who I was speaking of earlier, just drop me an email.
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  You don't have to have that account open, drop it to that address.
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  So I was just pontificating
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  here because nobody joined me at the start, and I have these things on my mind, you know, after a show,
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  like yesterday, I mean, I'll think about what we talked about off and on all most of the night and in the afternoon, you know, and think, well, how could you have said that better and and what was it really did did you miss in the conversation that could have helped enlighten that one point and stuff like that and It always comes back to these basics, Chris. I mean, it's just flat simple. If you and I didn't know Jack Doodley Squad about this stuff,
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  you and me, Chris,
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  and we sat down over a
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  a survey out there when you weren't dancing and we had a nice in-depth conversation about this and say, hey, you know,
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  it seems like to me that if they tell me what I am, it's tyranny.
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  Now that's pretty simple idea, ain't it? Am I am I wrong here?
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  Unknown: Well, that's pretty simple. If somebody tells you what you are, they can dictate what you...
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  What status, classification,
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  or
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  nature you wear might be.
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  How do they know? They don't know the mens reus of the thing, the mind of the thing. No. No. No. No. What you're thinking. Oh, don't get too complex on us here. I'm wanting to stay simple.
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  Unknown: So if people are telling you what you are,
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  then they're a tyrant.
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  Mean, if it's at work and they're telling, no, you're not in the electrical,
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  you're in the plumbing, get over there in plumbing,
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  you know? I mean, that's a tyrannical manager, would you say?
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  Absolutely. Okay, well the same thing applies to governments. So if they tell you what you are, it's tyranny.
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  So then that means that
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  you've got to tell them what you are.
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  Unknown: And you got to know what you are in order to tell them. Well, that's the first important point here, you know, of course. And
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  Unknown: then you start studying and you see the complexity of this because you're having problems understanding it.
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  And then you go, well, why would somebody go to this length to set up this thing like this with all these obvious
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  incorrections
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  and inconsistencies
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  and misdirections and all that stuff?
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  Well, they didn't, they did it so they can tyrannize
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  you.
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  They did it so they can trick you.
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  Unknown: Demination.
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  Unknown: Because everything's
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  got to be voluntary.
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  Hell, even Satan makes you volunteer.
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  Indeed.
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  Satan doesn't come in out there in Hollywood
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  and and and go and just tap people and say, you're going to do this and you're going to do that bad thing and you're going to do some of the other. They come in and volunteer to do that.
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  Unknown: Have I got a deal for you? Okay.
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  Unknown: So even when you get down to the most basic things of getting... And what I'm trying to do is lay this out for for people so you can help folks overcome this fear that they have put up as big as a a Fukushima
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  a Fukushima
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  tsunami
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  is a wall of fear has swept the whole damn country and even when you tell em and you try and explain to em in the most basic terms,
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  they still can't get over that conditioned fear response.
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  Unknown: Fear is a powerful motivating force.
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  Unknown: And the only way to overcome it is with intellect and education.
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  And pretty soon you start getting some of these concepts in your mind and understanding how these things really work.
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  And every time you get that little bit of understanding,
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  it gives you a little bit of empowerment.
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  The empowerment that god meant for you to have when when he deemed that you were going to be walking around.
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  Okay? He didn't mean to put you here to be a damn slave
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  for especially so one of his archangels
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  regiments, okay? He put you here to be free and to have these rights
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  and to be able to to make this world a better place. Well, we hadn't had these rights. Is the world a better place? No. It's a freaking cesspool.
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  Unknown: Ditto.
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  Unknown: It's a freaking cesspool.
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  Unknown: It's crime
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  ridden, eaten up with the cancer of criminality and theft, deception, murder, robbery, rape, plunder,
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  pillage,
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  Unknown: and demonic control. And not that we wouldn't have that list of adjectives or a list of offenses that you just read us if we were under a good system because man's heart is black and no man shall know him, okay?
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  Know it. So, you're going to have a degree of that anyway but at least this other approach keeps a lot of that in check.
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  And it's right flat out of control
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  this day, the 05/27/2019.
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  It's out of control, and guess what? It's gonna get more out of control as we go forward.
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  Unknown: Well, the controllers don't like us to have a choice.
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  They wanna take that choice away from me, freedom of speech, freedom of religion, freedom of thought,
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  intellectual properties,
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  freedom of process,
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  freedom of the courts is all being taken away from everyone on the planet. So that these demoniacs
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  can have total
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  control over everyone
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  Unknown: so they can be the slave masters of the universe. Well, they've reached some sort of a line of demarcation though. The the people are rising up, the
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  hundredth. Maybe at this point it's not the hundredth monkey theory, but it's the 25 monkey theory, okay?
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  And
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  you can see it. You can see the big change in
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  what happened with the EU election over the weekend. We'll probably talk about that tomorrow with Paul. He's no doubt a little more
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  up on it than than we are,
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  but that's happening all over the world.
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  Unknown: Runaway populist.
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  Unknown: It is, it is, and it's refreshing.
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  And, you know, it shows us that there's a light at the end of the tunnel.
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  And
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  hopefully what we really need,
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  honestly, is for this economic thing to go over the cliff
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  because that's just going to give them tons more problems, okay, and it's going to exacerbate
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  the problems that they've been able
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  to overcome
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  because those pop out in those types circumstances
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  and
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  if if things
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  look and feel right and I feel like Bo Polney is probably pretty right, Chris.
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  I don't know whether you got a chance to see that interview here or not,
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  but
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  he had a pretty good interview with Greg Hunter on Sunday and laid out that June
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  June, we're going have two big drops. It's going to drop down, it's going to come back, they're going to pump it back up.
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  You know, that could be termed when those chartists,
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  people look at those charts, they call that one formation a head and shoulders,
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  you know, and
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  so it pops down
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  and then they pop it back up in June, evidently, according to Bo Polney's research, we touched on this yesterday.
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  And then in July,
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  it takes a big hit down.
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  But
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  interesting to me
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  was in that interview is Greg Hunter just came
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  out and asked him even after he made the original
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  statement.
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  And he said, We're right on the cusp
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  of
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  the paper money system
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  not having the control and impact it's had in the past.
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  That's the threshold that we're on right here evidently in June.
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  And that's not too many days away. That comes around next week at some point.
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  Unknown: You know, Roger, change is a difficult thing for anyone to embrace,
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  the fear of the unknown
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  and changing from the system they've been on for
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  couple hundred years is a very difficult task.
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  However, when the system has become
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  userous
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  and destructive
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  to the maximum,
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  it seems there's no other choice than the change. And I've heard other
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  pontificators
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  of financial interest
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  suggesting that June is a very troublesome time and pattern. Even some purported psychics have mentioned the same situation of that time period being very operant and active,
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  Unknown: dynamic, and keep a close watch and be constantly vigilant. Well, I mean, there's the Thomas Jefferson quote right out of his writings,
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  constant vigilance,
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  and the deeper
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  you understand this, the more you learn,
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  the more you realize the accuracy of that term.
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  I mean, listen, if you're ever... The best thing to do, I gotta feel like, is to try and never have any dealings with any of these creeps,
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  alright? But that isn't
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  totally feasible,
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  because at some time in life you're gonna have to deal with them. And if you deal with them, you gotta be constantly vigilant. And if you're gonna be constantly vigilant, guess what You you gotta
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  gotta know what the hell you're looking at and thinking about.
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  Unknown: Critical discernment.
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  Unknown: Okay.
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  So
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  it's
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  always all back to these real simple concepts. These aren't complicated concepts. If they tell me what I am, it's tyranny. That is just not hard to understand, okay? And if you understand the dialectics, then you can see the other side,
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  and that's for the new people, but I just can't emphasize enough how you need to concentrate on
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  thinking and starting to learn to think and look at things
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  dialectically.
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  You always got to look at both sides. You can't just look at one side.
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  Let's see here, let me
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  Scenti
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  Let sending me some messages here which I usually
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  don't
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  that's why we don't have a chat room because it it's very distracting but yet here and he's a new guy, okay? And he says, interestingly, he's looked at all the videos and done a bunch of research on his own, very good.
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  Interestingly,
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  one of the callers brought up, and he's talking about yesterday,
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  the two questions I had,
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  how is The US national status affects
• 27:05
  state issues
• 27:07
  and the LLC
• 27:09
  thing?
• 27:10
  Okay.
• 27:10
  And then he has the second part that I haven't read yet, and says, I think the answer is that we are
• 27:18
  pioneering
• 27:19
  something
• 27:20
  new
• 27:21
  and there are no definitive
• 27:24
  answers yet
• 27:26
  on certain issues. Well, don't agree with the second part. We're not pioneering something new, we're uncovering something old.
• 27:35
  Unknown: Data mining. And
• 27:38
  Unknown: so,
• 27:40
  there's what the reason is because personally I've pioneered this, okay?
• 27:46
  And
• 27:47
  my life has certain attributes and aspects that yours doesn't have,
• 27:52
  and I know my own experience,
• 27:55
  I know the experiences
• 27:56
  of some of our students along the way in different situations that
• 28:02
  I've most of the time been involved in trying to figure them out,
• 28:07
  but we don't have all the answers, and I'll be the first one to tell you that. Okay?
• 28:12
  All I know is the crux of this is that you can get out of this and you can live your life in that status that God intended you to live it in,
• 28:21
  you'll
• 28:22
  have to want to live it because you're going to have to make some sacrifices to do it. You're going to have to read, you're going to have to study, you're going to have to, in some cases, learn to make your mind think again,
• 28:33
  you're going to have to ask questions,
• 28:35
  you're going to have to really get some confidence,
• 28:37
  and you're going to have to get some kahunas,
• 28:40
  figuratively speaking, males and females, and you're going to have to take some positive steps, and every time that you do that,
• 28:48
  whatever
• 28:49
  you want to happen seems to happen,
• 28:52
  and you walk out of there more empowered,
• 28:55
  and you walk out of there in a sense, Chris,
• 28:58
  with a a little bit of urgency to go confront another bureaucrat somewhere.
• 29:05
  Unknown: Yes. Knowing the right questions to ask and the right answers to give is pretty important when dealing with those
• 29:13
  Oh. People.
• 29:14
  Know,
• 29:15
  Unknown: I I think back. I haven't told the story in a while, but it's really...
• 29:20
  And it's interesting because I was thinking about doing it again. I may come back to The States,
• 29:24
  come see my mama here later on this year if the opportunity presents itself,
• 29:29
  and I was thinking if I go back there, my Florida State ID
• 29:33
  that I had gotten is long since expired,
• 29:37
  and
• 29:38
  I thought, well, hell, I guess that qualifies me to get another one. So I was wondering if I could get back up there and take the time to go over there to the driver's license
• 29:47
  place like I had to do here
• 29:49
  a number of years ago when I got my passport. And just for the people that don't know the story, I had heard
• 29:57
  the voice, said leave the country,
• 30:00
  I deliberated
• 30:01
  it for a few months,
• 30:03
  and finally made the decision, and at that point I'd never had a passport and I had to go get one.
• 30:09
  Now I had all this knowledge, I'd been studying it intently for many years,
• 30:13
  and had been just like... It's one of the reasons I like to concentrate on that hell, you don't think I was scared of interacting with these bastards?
• 30:22
  They just stole $35,000
• 30:24
  from me a few years before,
• 30:26
  you know?
• 30:27
  I mean, I had my fears. I
• 30:30
  had IRS agents come to the door of my house and all that stuff in the process of all this. I was scared of them too, man. But I and I reluctantly
• 30:39
  went to the post office and picked up a passport application and this is the thing about fear. Right there at the very top of the first page was the answer I'd been looking for for fifteen years, and I'd been scared to go get the paper.
• 30:56
  So right there at the top it says you can attach documentation.
• 31:00
  I read through the rest of it. I've got enough understanding of the system that we're in to be able to pick out most of the important things
• 31:08
  and I go, holy smokes, I found it. So, I put together all of my information. Eureka!
• 31:16
  Today's the day! And so
• 31:19
  I go down, put a package together, but there's one thing. See, I understood this even at that stage is that one of the things they require is a picture ID.
• 31:30
  They require
• 31:31
  a picture ID, and they go into the verbiage that if you do not have one of those, you can bring somebody
• 31:39
  that you've known for two years that does have one along with you that can verify for you and that will suffice,
• 31:46
  and that's in the instructions
• 31:47
  of the passport
• 31:49
  application.
• 31:51
  I trot down, I put all my papers together, but I had an active
• 31:58
  driver's license, Chris. At the time, it was a Tennessee license. I'd gone up from North Georgia into Tennessee
• 32:04
  and gotten one up there thinking it was, you know
• 32:08
  see, back then, we were just looking for answers, alright?
• 32:11
  And so, I'm but it by the time it came to the passport application,
• 32:16
  I understood that that was a a residency issue and it would prove residency.
• 32:22
  And so I didn't want to have a picture ID. And that's why I brought this female along with me that I knew. They're strictly platonic like all you like all your relationships,
• 32:33
  Unknown: Chris, with these Yeah. With females. I heard... I remember you saying she was a rather,
• 32:38
  Unknown: bright and beautiful with some female Well, she's a very lovely lady. She's very articulate and a blonde... Blondish, and, you know, blondes
• 32:45
  catch people's eyes, I guess. So, anyway,
• 32:48
  her name is Melena,
• 32:50
  and I brought Melena in there into the post office with me, and as I walked up in Panama City, that old post office downtown was built in the FDR New Deal
• 33:01
  with the
• 33:03
  Works Progress
• 33:04
  Association,
• 33:05
  and it's got all this fancy marble and stuff in it, and it's
• 33:10
  not real big, but it's very nice,
• 33:12
  and
• 33:13
  they have a whole department over there for the passport guy.
• 33:17
  Now he's a regular clerk, but if he gets a passport person, he's the one that leaves his post
• 33:23
  mark and letters and comes over there to deal with you. So it's this guy, he's probably about 6foot three maybe, kind of a not a big guy, but not a small guy.
• 33:32
  And Did we lose you, Roger? No, I hope not.
• 33:36
  I should be still here. I'm talking.
• 33:38
  So
• 33:39
  No, no, you're back. Okay. And so
• 33:41
  when we walk in, Melaina's next to my side and he's not looking at me. He's looking at her.
• 33:48
  Unknown: Okay. Imagine that. Yeah, I know. I know. And so,
• 33:52
  Unknown: and he even talks to her. He didn't even look at me and he didn't talk to me. He he talked to her and he said, this guy knows what he's doing. That was the first words out of his mouth.
• 34:02
  This guy knows what he's doing because I came in with a stack of papers,
• 34:06
  okay? And so,
• 34:08
  I said, I answered him even though he didn't address it to me and I said, yes, I do.
• 34:14
  Alright?
• 34:15
  Kind of a little full of myself at that point that I had found the key, alright?
• 34:21
  And so, we get to that point where you have to give the picture ID
• 34:24
  and
• 34:26
  I said, Well, I don't have one that says that I can bring somebody. That's what this lovely young woman's with me for. And he says, Wait a minute. And he turns around and reaches up. He has to reach up to the third shelf behind him in his little office and he pulls down. Remember this big, thick, red, three ring binder.
• 34:47
  One of those big ones like, you know, the industrial
• 34:50
  ones, right? And so, he plops it so heavy and he's gotta reach up and get it and he turns around and it's a marble counter. So, when he puts it down, it bang.
• 35:01
  You know, it makes a noise
• 35:03
  and so, he looks at me
• 35:06
  and he says, I've only had to refer to this
• 35:10
  two or three times in eight years.
• 35:13
  He made that statement to me and so he opens it up and he's running his fingers down, flipping pages,
• 35:19
  and and he says, it says right here that I don't have to accept that and that I can make you go get one and I'm gonna make you go get one.
• 35:32
  How's that for public servant?
• 35:35
  Unknown: He sounds very friendly. Yeah,
• 35:38
  Unknown: officer friendly.
• 35:39
  And so she turns to me and she says, well, I just got my kids'
• 35:44
  Florida State IDs two weeks ago. Why don't we go get one of those?
• 35:49
  Man, I, the lord, the lord made me pick Melena for that
• 35:54
  situation,
• 35:55
  okay?
• 35:55
  And so,
• 35:56
  there in Panama City, everything's pretty close to each other and the driver's license division was only a few blocks away and so we hopped in the car and headed that way. It was between
• 36:08
  the time when we left the post office and the time we got to the driver's license division, had figured out because I had the copy of my affidavit
• 36:17
  with me as part of the application for passport,
• 36:20
  and it was filed right there in that county and it had all of the stamps, the clerk and the certification and everything you could get it stamped with, we got it stamped with, okay? And I had my original copy, my birth certificate too.
• 36:36
  Unknown: So when you yes?
• 36:39
  Unknown: It's probably material to cognize that that agent... What he is relying on there was passport agent
• 36:47
  discretion.
• 36:48
  And they have discretion
• 36:50
  as to issue or not issue
• 36:52
  and whether to require or not require.
• 36:55
  Unknown: And that's what you run into. I think that's the section he was looking under. Well, whatever section, whatever this... The... It's the end of the story that's the important part here. I'm just gonna give some people some color to understand what happened and kinda... Because this was seminal moment for me in this whole deal. Yeah. And so we get to the
• 37:14
  driver's license division, there's a bunch of people waiting to go and get their business done there, and to get to the clerks back there, you got a gatekeeper.
• 37:23
  Make sure all your paperwork's in order.
• 37:26
  And so I get to the gatekeeper and say, Well, look, here's my birth certificate, and here's this affidavit I got filed right here in Bay County, and I'm trying to get an ID for a passport, and he says, Go on through.
• 37:36
  He didn't even hesitate, Go on through. So the first couple of clerks there in line are the driver's license people, and then past that are the picture ID
• 37:47
  people, and there's a couple of them. So
• 37:50
  I walked down to that part, and nice lady there,
• 37:55
  I just didn't even hardly maybe said, Hey, but the first thing I did was plot my affidavit up on that counter.
• 38:03
  Okay? And so she didn't say what is that or give me any questions or anything else. She picked it up and it's five pages, as you know if you've looked at it in the book,
• 38:14
  and she puts it in a scanner right next to her little work thing and starts scanning every page in.
• 38:22
  And that's when after that was going on, she turns to me and starts asking me the questions.
• 38:28
  And what's your name? This, that, I guess she had that, whatever. She gets down to the key questions. Are you a citizen of The United States? I said no. She said, Are you a resident of The United States? I said no.
• 38:39
  She asked me a few more questions and she said by that time she's finished scanning the pages and she said, well, that'll be $4 mister Sales. Get over, step over there and get your picture taken.
• 38:51
  Unknown: Okay.
• 38:52
  Unknown: I mean, I'm telling you. Of course, I just recently put it all together
• 38:57
  and but John had told us it's all voluntary. It's all voluntary. It's gotta be voluntary.
• 39:03
  Well, I get up in front of that woman. She asked me the questions. I say no to both and she says, give me $4 and get your picture taken and you coulda knocked me over with a feather
• 39:14
  and I can remember what came to my mind is I'll be damned. John was right. It's all voluntary.
• 39:26
  Went back. It is. Went back with the new ID,
• 39:30
  go back to the post office.
• 39:32
  We get all the things filled out there and when we're going up at the very last because if I expedited it. So, if you expedite it, you gotta send it overnight and pay for overnight mail and all the rest in the package and so the guy's doing all that right there and it's the same guy that I was dealing with moved over from the passport window over to the clerk's window at the post office and I'm dealing with him the whole time in a continuous
• 39:55
  process and we get to the end and he's looking it over again and he goes, oh, no, no, no, you gotta have a Social Security number in here. They won't send you one and I looked at him and I said, you watch em.
• 40:11
  And a couple of weeks later, I got my passport, my first one that
• 40:15
  stole
• 40:17
  down there in Argentina.
• 40:18
  Hey, Samuel. How are doing then?
• 40:22
  Unknown: Okay. Good.
• 40:25
  Was did
• 40:27
  anybody look at the Way of the Kings yet?
• 40:31
  Unknown: I I haven't had a chance to. The Way of the Kings?
• 40:36
  Unknown: Yes, that's on the Team Law site.
• 40:39
  You scroll down Oh, oh, oh, yeah. Eric Mads.
• 40:44
  Yeah, if you scroll down, and
• 40:46
  I gave the wrong website, it's teamlaw.net.
• 40:50
  Okay. I think I said org, yes. Yes, yes, you did.
• 40:53
  Unknown: May be why nobody
• 40:55
  got
• 40:57
  to see it.
• 40:59
  Unknown: Okay, if you scroll down
• 41:01
  to... People give me trouble about my spelling too.
• 41:08
  Anyways, if if if you go down there, it's it's trademark.
• 41:11
  It's the way of the kings. This is the asset protection protection thing I I spoke of. It's it's... And it says TM. It's got trademark. So it's link. You can click on that and then, like, you
• 41:23
  say, Chris,
• 41:25
  you know,
• 41:26
  Greg would even read it and and give us an idea of what he thinks of it.
• 41:32
  Unknown: Chris, are you familiar with this? You're familiar with Eric Madsen stuff. Right?
• 41:37
  Unknown: I am. And I may have cursorily overviewed
• 41:40
  his King's Way. It's actually asset... I think it's effectually a god trust or something along that line.
• 41:48
  I know it. But Eric's been in it for a long time. I think he's passed on, but his son's carrying the torch and picked up the...
• 41:57
  Unknown: The mantle. I know Eric has I
• 42:00
  know Eric has health issues. I think his
• 42:03
  his
• 42:04
  kidneys
• 42:06
  are giving him
• 42:09
  lots of trouble. So...
• 42:12
  Unknown: Well...
• 42:13
  Unknown: Anyway...
• 42:13
  Yeah. Well, him... But if if if... Because this is if this is a way and it's... And I I... I'm not versed enough to read it and
• 42:23
  understand
• 42:25
  well enough to know whether it would be good or not. And frankly, it's probably more money than I I could spend anyway.
• 42:32
  But
• 42:35
  it's there for people who are young and serious still about being in business, you
• 42:41
  know, and, I guess, maybe protecting
• 42:44
  Unknown: themselves from the system yet to be able to work into it. That's how it was explained to me.: Well, let me ask you a question, Samuel. Does... Do those people over there know and understand what we know and understand?
• 42:57
  I should ask I think for Eric would argue
• 43:00
  about it with you. Yes. Yeah. Well, he wouldn't be the first.
• 43:05
  Unknown: But that doesn't mean that you couldn't potentially convince him that you're correct. I... I, on the other hand... Well,
• 43:15
  Unknown: I'm not here to convince anybody anything except that they got a choice and there's some real ambiguous
• 43:21
  stuff here they need to check into.
• 43:23
  I got out of the convincing business long ago,
• 43:27
  okay, with this? Probably. But, well, because you just get to a point, our people, you know, god said, we're a stiff necked people.
• 43:35
  Holy smokes. Is that is that statement correct?
• 43:38
  And everybody gets into their little fiefdoms of knowledge and see, then, they've put the time in and they've put the effort and the elbow grease and the sacrifice in to come to these conclusions
• 43:49
  and by god, they're right
• 43:51
  and you can't talk em out of it.
• 43:55
  Yeah. I know. I mean, listen, don't I know if you weren't around, Chris might remember that day, I had a bunch of listeners
• 44:01
  talk to me one day about this guy that's real deep.
• 44:06
  He's
• 44:07
  a real intellectual
• 44:08
  man, and he's got this thing figured out, and his name was Richardson.
• 44:13
  Was it Bill Richardson, Chris?
• 44:16
  No. It's Richardson. Anyway, so after several of my listeners, I'm open to that sort of thing, several listeners got a hold of me, said you need to have this guy on, I got a hold of him, we scheduled a show.
• 44:29
  And so I did hear that. Pardon me?
• 44:33
  Unknown: I did hear that and I used to follow Clint on RBM when he was on there.
• 44:38
  Unknown: Yeah. Well, I I don't mean to... And I'm... This isn't an ad hominem
• 44:42
  attack on Richardson.
• 44:43
  Okay?
• 44:44
  This is an illustration of
• 44:47
  what...
• 44:49
  Well, he's a little egotistical
• 44:51
  is what what I gathered right off and so we start into the show and he goes in and he says, persons, per, you don't want to be a person. You don't want to be a person and so, we got into that discussion and and one, I remember it was over on
• 45:06
  truth frequency and they had those breaks and right as we're going to the first break, he starts string sighting Bible scripture,
• 45:14
  okay?
• 45:15
  And right as we were getting ready to cut off, he, the one he quotes was, don't associate with persons who are evil.
• 45:24
  Don't associate with persons who are evil. Now, that means that the word person is bad and you don't want to be one. We came out of the break and I said, what about persons that are good?
• 45:35
  Ain't that saying don't associate with evil entities
• 45:39
  instead of attacking the attaching the word person and then bringing it up in the present day and causing a blanket conclusion on the whole thing?
• 45:50
  And that was one of his key planks is the word person. Well, I said, why don't you go back and look at Gaius? I mean, I'm I'm not trying to be adversarial.
• 45:59
  The guy was really hacking me off as we went forward because he wasn't there to discuss anything,
• 46:05
  and so I said, Why
• 46:07
  don't you go back and look at Gaius?
• 46:10
  G A I U S for any of you out there. Gaius is the guy that's attributed with the origination of law in Rome,
• 46:18
  okay, and Gaius has a set of books called the Gaius Institutes
• 46:23
  and those are the some of the foundational books of law in the whole history of our planet.
• 46:28
  And guess what the whole first version deals with there, Samuel?
• 46:34
  No. The word person.
• 46:38
  Unknown: Okay?
• 46:41
  Unknown: And so finally, we got pretty antagonistic
• 46:44
  through the rest of that show and towards the back end of the show, he told me I was full of ship high in transit and he did not use that phrase
• 46:53
  and hung up on me in the audience. That's how much of a discussion he wanted to have.
• 46:59
  That's how much he was. That's how that's how much truth he was looking for.
• 47:05
  Unknown: Even when Roger, can you can
• 47:08
  you imagine the egos that were at the signing of the declaration of independence and the conversations that they had? Too bad we don't have recordings of those.
• 47:17
  Unknown: Yeah,
• 47:17
  and you know once again this is back to human nature, a lot of this stuff,
• 47:22
  but
• 47:23
  so it's
• 47:25
  just that you got to sit down. Here's another way to approach this.
• 47:30
  If we were, let's say Samuel and you and me and
• 47:35
  Shanti here,
• 47:36
  maybe
• 47:37
  two fifty-three
• 47:38
  hundred years ago,
• 47:40
  we're over there in London, we're a bunch of sick, demented
• 47:44
  Edomite bastards,
• 47:46
  and we have these visions of controlling everything and taking over the world
• 47:51
  because that scenario
• 47:52
  happened at some point.
• 47:56
  And so we get together and we're saying, Boy, it sure would be nice to take over the world, have all this money and power, control, have a bunch of slaves,
• 48:04
  and all that stuff. Let's see. You know, I bet we can accomplish that, Samuel. If we set up this system and we can tell em they gotta do this and we're going to do that and if this happens, we're going to do that and if something else happens, we're going to have another contingency
• 48:18
  and a contingency or two off of that.
• 48:22
  Do you think that they would approach it that way or do you think they would say, hey, listen, we got this system that we've been using for two thousand years called a Jewish Shetar,
• 48:32
  and we know how it works, and we know every contingency
• 48:35
  that's involved,
• 48:36
  we'll just take that system and impose it on them and change a few of the labels, and they won't know what it is. Now which one of those two approaches do you think those guys are gonna take?
• 48:51
  Well, hell, I guess I'm...
• 48:53
  Got a dial tone there.
• 48:56
  Are we on? The easy one. Okay. I mean, is that difficult?
• 49:00
  Is that scenario to look back and contemplate even though it's somewhat imaginary?
• 49:05
  Is that difficult to put together and come up with a conclusion?
• 49:14
  Unknown: Are you there, Chris? Have I lost everybody? What's going on? Nope. I'm here. Okay. I I think that would be the obvious choice. Something that's already proven
• 49:23
  undeniable
• 49:24
  and it's been working.
• 49:26
  All you gotta do is relabel it and maybe put a couple of little new phrases in there to give people the illusion of something different with the exact same thing. Yeah. I mean, and it's not like we don't have some sign markers. You know, go back and read the declaration of independence.
• 49:41
  Unknown: Go back and look at the 11 things that they complained against the king.
• 49:45
  We've mentioned them here before. I can quote em to you from memory. Number one, the first one is he has erected
• 49:52
  multitudes of offices
• 49:54
  and sent hither
• 49:56
  swarms
• 49:57
  of officers
• 49:59
  to harass us and eat out our substance.
• 50:04
  See that going on today? Do you see any substance being eaten out out there, do you?
• 50:11
  Unknown: Agencies,
• 50:12
  Unknown: that is the officers of the day. Okay, and what was one of the other 11 there? He has brought in a foreign jurisdiction.
• 50:21
  This is in the Declaration of Independence people, these people have done this before.
• 50:28
  He has brought in a foreign
• 50:30
  jurisdiction.
• 50:33
  So you think maybe the feudal system being run-in under the fourteenth amendment and hidden for all those years has sprung on us? You think that might be considered a foreign jurisdiction,
• 50:44
  Chris?
• 50:47
  Well, hell yes it is.
• 50:51
  Okay,
• 50:52
  well they take the old English shetar,
• 50:55
  the old statute staple system based on the English shetar, a specialty type of contract,
• 51:00
  and they just run it in on us and it's the tax system we're under. Well, there's two examples of it right there. Samuel, you got back with us, you must have gotten cut off.
• 51:10
  Unknown: Yeah. I got dropped, Roger.
• 51:13
  They... Didn't the first thing they decide to do is instead of lending money to people, they started lending money to kings, and the kings didn't wanna collect the taxes because they wanted to look like they were a good guy. Yeah. And they like... The Roth schilds like lending the governments because the loans are bigger and the ultimate prize is much better, they get to control the government.
• 51:35
  Unknown: Right.
• 51:37
  Then what the Rothschilds
• 51:39
  did, what old man Rothschild
• 51:42
  what was... Which one? I can't remember which one is the first one,
• 51:45
  but the one there in Frankfurt, the head of the business, and then he had five sons and he sent them around to the different
• 51:52
  capitals of Rome and told them to take over the banking business in that town. You know, one of the really big facilitations they were able to do with that, and I didn't see... I saw this in a video the other night. I'd never thought about it, honestly.
• 52:05
  Do you know one of the advantages that gave them?
• 52:10
  Unknown: They didn't have to transfer any any hard currency Correct. Gold or gold. Correct.
• 52:16
  Unknown: All they had to do was do it as markers between the brothers' banks, and they could run loans all over Europe and no valuable ever left to save.
• 52:26
  Unknown: Right. You asked the name there, Roger. I think that was Meyer and Shellbearer
• 52:31
  Burr. Yes. Yes. Was. Thanks, Ray. Rothschild.
• 52:33
  Rothschild. Yeah.
• 52:35
  Unknown: That's who it was.
• 52:36
  So thank you, Chris.
• 52:38
  So
• 52:39
  anyway,
• 52:40
  that's
• 52:42
  that's who these guys are.
• 52:44
  Do what, Sam? I understand he...
• 52:46
  Unknown: I understand that Mayor got his seed money by... He was doing the books for one of the richest people in Europe
• 52:54
  and he stole $2,000,000
• 52:56
  Unknown: in that day from him. Could have. I I... I'd read somewhere that one of the things that endeared them to all of the nobility of Europe
• 53:05
  was that as Napoleon was sweeping across Europe, the
• 53:11
  nobles would give Rothschild their gold,
• 53:14
  and what he did was went into a winery
• 53:17
  and he put the hard metals in wine casks,
• 53:21
  and so when they came through they thought it was wine and never looked in there.
• 53:26
  And after he returned all of their money to him after Napoleon was defeated,
• 53:31
  with interest,
• 53:33
  he gained the trust of all of the nobles around Europe.
• 53:42
  So, anyway, you don't know? That's just what I've read somewhere along the line. And and one of the brothers or or sons was probably also financing
• 53:52
  Unknown: Napoleon.
• 53:55
  Unknown: Oh,
• 53:56
  you can bet on that.
• 53:59
  Sintilly,
• 54:01
  there
• 54:03
  is and
• 54:05
  I'll have to get it soon.
• 54:07
  Well, I'm answering the Go
• 54:10
  ahead, I'm sorry, Samuel.
• 54:12
  Unknown: I guess we called that a hedge fund today.
• 54:15
  Unknown: Well, yeah, I mean, in
• 54:17
  the 20s they called them bucket shops.
• 54:20
  It was the same thing. That's the thing that you'll learn the deeper you get in this. These guys don't deviate, they pretty much do the same thing over and over and over again,
• 54:30
  and when you look at it from their point of view, they're almost relegated to doing it that way,
• 54:36
  because the prize is so big and the consequences are so bad,
• 54:40
  if they screw up, they always have to go to what's historically worked,
• 54:47
  and they don't deviate very much. They always go back to the same well because it always worked before,
• 54:53
  and by gosh it's going to work again, and we're going to get to a point where that's not the case.
• 55:03
  Cinti has sent me a message that says, there are online discussion forum for the radio range and yes, there is.
• 55:10
  Greg runs it and
• 55:13
  I
• 55:14
  don't participate in those things because the interruptions drive me crazy, okay?
• 55:20
  But I'll get that information
• 55:22
  to you,
• 55:23
  or maybe Greg, if he's listening, will send it to me, and I can put it out for everybody if that is a good thing, and I certainly endorse it. I just don't participate in it too much.
• 55:33
  So,
• 55:35
  anyway, Quest... Samuel, as you're growing up here in your understanding,
• 55:38
  what what is still cloudy
• 55:41
  for you?
• 55:42
  Anything?
• 55:46
  Unknown: Well,
• 55:47
  you know, it's in it's in my mind. It's in my heart, but to get it out over the tongue if I'm being attacked by, say, a judge or a prosecutor or something like that No. No. No. I'm not talk... I'm not talking about judges.
• 55:57
  Unknown: Talking about us sitting here in a learning situation
• 56:00
  where we can help each other understand,
• 56:03
  is there anything that's really clouded for you so that you can get to a point where if you have to, you will get in that situation.
• 56:11
  I would tell you all this, if you do this right,
• 56:14
  I don't believe any of you will see the inside of a courtroom ever over anything to do with this. You may be out doing something else, but not dealing with this, okay?
• 56:24
  And the reason for that is this, it's fraud.
• 56:29
  It is fraud,
• 56:30
  okay?
• 56:31
  But when you... Without
• 56:35
  Unknown: the show,
• 56:37
  I don't think I would be convinced as I am today.
• 56:41
  The show is really about...
• 56:42
  Unknown: It is and that's what we're here for, you know, but it all goes back to that 1835
• 56:47
  case.
• 56:49
  Duberse,
• 56:50
  whatever it is, Chris probably knows what it is, I never can remember the style of the thing because both of the participants' names are difficult to pronounce,
• 56:59
  but it's an 1835
• 57:00
  case and it's talking about this very subject in the Supreme Court. It's still black letter law, it's never been overturned,
• 57:08
  and when you understand it, you know the
• 57:11
  reasons why we do what we do the way we do it, and the case goes the passport
• 57:16
  is an ex parte document.
• 57:18
  Legally, that means it's separate and a separate
• 57:21
  part, okay? It's an ex parte document,
• 57:25
  and the only function that it has
• 57:27
  is to allow the bearer to move freely from country to country and it mentions in the courtside under the law of nations.
• 57:35
  Okay?
• 57:36
  And then it goes on... Do
• 57:39
  Unknown: what? Is that
• 57:41
  Unknown: case in your book? No, it's not. I didn't have it when the book was written.
• 57:46
  Okay? A listener sent me this when we started doing the programs.
• 57:49
  It's the greatest thing that any of them have ever sent me just about, honestly,
• 57:53
  because it says everything and after that little passport discussion
• 57:58
  and and it's a bad it's a a case about a citizenship
• 58:02
  of a of a guy
• 58:04
  that was questioning his citizenship. It went, I can't give you all the particulars of it, but it was a question of citizenship
• 58:11
  the case was brought under.
• 58:13
  And so the decision comes and it says the passport's an ex parte document, etc. And then it goes on and says, but if
• 58:21
  this is in a court of law,
• 58:24
  it's entirely different
• 58:26
  because in a court of law it's not the passport,
• 58:30
  but the documentation
• 58:31
  that the secretary
• 58:33
  has in his possession
• 58:36
  which,
• 58:37
  if of a character to be admissible in court,
• 58:41
  is considered to be the higher and better evidence.
• 58:47
  So it's not the passport at all, it's the documentation
• 58:51
  which even in 1835
• 58:53
  evidently
• 58:54
  had to be produced to the Secretary of State so that he could generate an accurate passport.
• 59:02
  Now,
• 59:03
  that we know
• 59:05
  that anytime
• 59:06
  a
• 59:07
  government official has something in his possession,
• 59:11
  or let's say they want to bring you to court on something, Samuel,
• 59:15
  you can go in and get your administrative administrative file from the Secretary of State with everything that he's required to keep in it,
• 59:24
  and that is admissible in a court of law,
• 59:27
  and it bypasses if it's an affidavit
• 59:30
  form,
• 59:31
  it bypasses
• 59:32
  the rules of evidence,
• 59:34
  and they can't even keep it out of evidence. Do you think any courts
• 59:38
  want somebody coming in and bringing that affidavit out in court to the fraudulent nature of the entire system?
• 59:47
  No. Do you think they're ever going to take a chance that that might happen?
• 59:55
  Unknown: No. No,
• 59:57
  but if you're real high profile
• 59:59
  they might make an exception and just bury you.
• 1:00:02
  Unknown: You
• 1:00:03
  see, well, y'all have still got that old line of thinking. I don't think that's correct. I think they recognize this. They don't like it one bit, but there's nothing they can do about it. Hey, look at this another way. Why do you think they went to all this extent that they've gone to to hide this?
• 1:00:26
  Me ask it Because
• 1:00:28
  it's fraud is one reason,
• 1:00:30
  but because the way to get out of it is so simple is the real reason.
• 1:00:36
  They know it. They set it up.
• 1:00:43
  That's why they intimidate you into that mind set where you think they're all all omnipotent
• 1:00:48
  and all powerful. They're not. They are over that certain little segment, not little, it's a big segment. Over that certain big segment, they're very powerful but if you're not one in that segment, they ain't got nothing but boo, they're just another guy that puts their pants on the same damn way you do, Samuel, every morning.
• 1:01:10
  They may have more money than you, but that's it.
• 1:01:15
  And see, we can't get to that point because we've been so conditioned
• 1:01:19
  into their all omnipotent
• 1:01:22
  power.
• 1:01:28
  I know it's hard to believe, but I'm telling you,
• 1:01:32
  this is true, and if it wasn't true
• 1:01:35
  here in the early stages of this,
• 1:01:38
  if it wasn't true,
• 1:01:40
  guarantee you somebody would have been dinged in the last eight years on it.
• 1:01:47
  I guarantee you, because that's their nature.
• 1:01:50
  They look at how they monitor all these meetings and take all these pictures and keep all these files on people's license plates and all that kind of stuff. They're hypersensitive
• 1:02:01
  to this thing getting out and it's spreading.
• 1:02:05
  If something like this was going, they'd have cried to squash it right in the bud with some kind of legal action, and buddy, all they've done is stand moot.
• 1:02:14
  When
• 1:02:15
  I first started giving this information out on Republic years ago, before the book was released,
• 1:02:21
  we had the Southern Poverty Law Center snitch
• 1:02:24
  that was monitoring
• 1:02:26
  Republic back in those days, probably still is and
• 1:02:30
  got a hold of
• 1:02:32
  my hope, my friend that was putting me on, Jeff Bennett at the time and then another host or two, okay? And even one of John and Glenn's students that was, you ever hear a guy Tommy from Brooklyn
• 1:02:45
  call in to radio shows?
• 1:02:48
  Chris,
• 1:02:50
  you remember Tommy?
• 1:02:53
  Chris may not be with us anymore. Well, Tommy from Brooklyn. Exactly. Yeah, Tommy from Brooklyn was another one of John and Glenn's students. Let me tell you some of the other students John and Glenn had.
• 1:03:03
  One of them we've talked about on here occasionally, Richard McDonald, who's now deceased,
• 1:03:09
  the state citizen guy in California,
• 1:03:12
  pretty good following, really good guy, he was one of John and Glenn's students, I met him in Las Vegas. Ever heard of a guy named Don Rogers?
• 1:03:22
  Does that ring a bell?
• 1:03:25
  It sounds familiar. He was a senator from the state of California
• 1:03:30
  when he went through John and Glenn's
• 1:03:32
  course. And one day on another show,
• 1:03:35
  I heard some people that were law people, Peter Niece and that gal that used to be on with him that died,
• 1:03:40
  Chris, and they were on there and she says, This is a perfect piece of legislation,
• 1:03:45
  and she reads this proposed
• 1:03:47
  piece of legislation, and she said, That was introduced by Senator Don Rogers.
• 1:03:52
  And I went, Well, hell, I know why it was such a good piece of legislation.
• 1:03:56
  I knew who his teachers were.
• 1:03:59
  Well, Tommy calls me, gets a hold of me on the side, and he said, Roger, I was listening to this show and this guy called in Russ,
• 1:04:07
  called in running you up one side and down the other.
• 1:04:12
  And he said, I called in right after that, and I said, Roger knows what he's talking about. We had the same teachers.
• 1:04:20
  And then I get an email forwarded to me that he had written to somebody and he's going, Oh, this Roger sales guy, man, he's teaching stuff that's going to get a lot of people in trouble. He was in multi level marketing. All he wants to do is make money off selling a book. All
• 1:04:35
  their usual crap, right?
• 1:04:39
  And so I wrote him
• 1:04:41
  I wrote him an email back
• 1:04:44
  and... But what I... I guess I don't remember if I wrote him an email back. I think I confronted him on the air,
• 1:04:51
  because what happened in the interim, Samuel, and some of the audience has heard this story,
• 1:04:56
  one of my better students is down there Georgia, and his name's Rick. And Rick and I was talking, and I was telling him about this situation and what the SPLC
• 1:05:05
  guy was doing. And he goes, well, you know, Roger, I was in a cop station the other day, and I picked up one of those periodicals
• 1:05:12
  that they send out to the police.
• 1:05:14
  And I said, Well, do you still have it? And he said, Yeah. I said, Well, go get it. And so he ran off and he found it, and he came back and opened up the front page where all the credits are,
• 1:05:25
  and the managing editor was a guy named Russell Estes,
• 1:05:29
  and I said, well, look down the list of the other folks. Is there any other Russ there? And he goes, no, and I said, that's got to be the guy.
• 1:05:37
  And so I got on the air and started wailing him except I used his full name. I said, Russell Estes, probably somewhere in the Minneapolis
• 1:05:46
  St. Paul region up there. Why don't some of you look up Russell Estes in the phone book and let's start going and spying on this sneaky little piece of crap.
• 1:05:56
  Well, never heard from him again. He never raised his... I guess he did torment some of the other people on
• 1:06:03
  Deanna Spingola pretty regularly and all that, but that's who the guy was. He left me alone.
• 1:06:09
  But as we went forward, there was a couple other people that were objecting to what I was teaching back then. Hell, it's just all law,
• 1:06:17
  you know? And they go, Oh, that stuff Roger Sales is teaching is going to get a lot of people in trouble. They use the exact same phrase,
• 1:06:26
  and that's usually indicative of being involved.
• 1:06:30
  Unknown: Okay? Well, you know, Roger, another another big problem I I see with this whole thing is
• 1:06:37
  the the money has so corrupted things.
• 1:06:41
  Locally, I heard that this our county supervisors
• 1:06:45
  are thinking about
• 1:06:47
  increasing sales tax because
• 1:06:50
  they have tremendous amount of money coming in but they can't pay
• 1:06:55
  the retirement plans that they've given all these govern Yep. Yep. And
• 1:07:01
  ago, when we still used maps,
• 1:07:04
  I got a map for this county,
• 1:07:06
  and it, you know, used a list of attributes of the county, and they showed, like, a third of it was agriculture,
• 1:07:12
  a third of it is industry. You know what the other third of it was? And they listed it. Government. Government. Government.
• 1:07:19
  That's twenty years ago.
• 1:07:21
  So, I mean, these people,
• 1:07:23
  bought themselves raises
• 1:07:25
  and pensions,
• 1:07:27
  Unknown: and where is it gonna come from? Well, guess what? Their pension funds are all projected on a seven or 8% return.
• 1:07:34
  You see any seven or 8% return operations
• 1:07:37
  and situations out there?
• 1:07:39
  There haven't been any know for a been. Yeah, that's what's killing them right now, okay?
• 1:07:44
  Unknown: But that's our sheriff's department.
• 1:07:47
  Sure. Those are our lawmakers.
• 1:07:50
  Unknown: Right. Now, so here when
• 1:07:53
  these people that have had their
• 1:07:56
  mouth at the trough for all these years
• 1:07:59
  and the ones that are avid supporters of government,
• 1:08:02
  what do you think is going to happen when they get their pensions
• 1:08:05
  cut in half for two thirds?
• 1:08:08
  And, don't forget, we're going to probably go into some sort of a hyperinflationary
• 1:08:14
  event,
• 1:08:15
  so what they do get reduced isn't going to go as far even if it was a full value.
• 1:08:24
  So
• 1:08:25
  see the whole thing, the wheels are coming off of it, Samuel. We're
• 1:08:30
  real close, we're real close to that happening.
• 1:08:34
  Unknown: A lot of these people are really nice people, but if you mention any of this thing to them or whatever,
• 1:08:40
  they get ugly
• 1:08:42
  because they're trying to protect
• 1:08:44
  their feathered nest, and they know it. Yep.
• 1:08:47
  Unknown: And that's why you don't really... You ask those simple questions, you know, like we've tried to, elucidate everybody is you get more progress if you ask simple questions and you do it on premises that you know are correct, okay? And I would think what I've started using here lately at the start of any discussion
• 1:09:06
  on this is let's have some mutual agreement right here at the first. Are you familiar with the Voltaire phrase,
• 1:09:13
  Samuel? Have you heard it on here?
• 1:09:17
  The Voltaire phrase? Yeah, he wrote a quote, it's a Voltaire quote, and Voltaire said, Before we discuss,
• 1:09:23
  let us define define our our terms. Terms.
• 1:09:26
  Now what does that tell you about Voltaire?
• 1:09:28
  Because he knew what the hell they were doing, and they were doing it back in his time.
• 1:09:34
  Unknown: Well, I understand that when Daniel Webster wrote the dictionary for this country,
• 1:09:39
  he did that so the words wouldn't get changed.
• 1:09:43
  Unknown: You go look...... Would be a record.... What they're doing
• 1:09:45
  is technically in the dictionary, there's a word for it, it's called equivocation.
• 1:09:51
  And you can go into the Webster's eighteen twenty eight dictionary and look at the word equivocation,
• 1:09:57
  and he tells you what it is, and at the bottom he says,
• 1:10:01
  This
• 1:10:02
  procedure, or this
• 1:10:05
  trick, is often used by
• 1:10:08
  Christians against Christians. That's right there in the 1828
• 1:10:11
  dictionary.
• 1:10:15
  So you go back to somebody and you're sitting down and go, Before we go any further, let's get some basic agreement.
• 1:10:23
  They're gonna agree to that, don't you think?
• 1:10:26
  And you're gonna go,
• 1:10:28
  I'm gonna say and I want you to tell me, and if I'm wrong, that there's only two statuses:
• 1:10:34
  you're either free or you're a slave.
• 1:10:40
  Unknown: Well, I could see the argument being gray.
• 1:10:43
  Oh,
• 1:10:44
  Unknown: you can? Well, explain to me how you can be half pregnant.
• 1:10:52
  Unknown: Well, they're gonna say we're
• 1:10:54
  more free than most other people in the world. Well, I'm
• 1:10:57
  Unknown: not talking about that. I'm talking about you're either free or you're a slave.
• 1:11:03
  I'm just telling you what they're going to say. Well, if they're, if they continue to argue on that basic appoint, go find somebody else to talk to. As
• 1:11:13
  Jesus said, dust off your feet and move on. Because I can promise you what you don't want to do, and all of us have done it, and that's beat our head against the wall because it feels so damn good when you stop.
• 1:11:26
  Yeah.
• 1:11:27
  And you got to realize that there are people out there that just are not meant to know and
• 1:11:32
  and and people think that this what we're doing here is gonna that we got grandiose plans oh of overtaken the country and overthrowing
• 1:11:41
  the government and taking it back to where it used to be. That ain't gonna happen.
• 1:11:47
  You get out there and talk to people about this for any length of time, and you're gonna come to the same conclusion I have is that that ain't gonna happen.
• 1:11:55
  So what we've got to do, and we have to understand who we are, okay, and there's only a small percentage of people that resonate to this message and want to learn and make the sacrifice and be free,
• 1:12:07
  okay, and so we're the ones that are dictated to come out of her because that's what we're doing, we're coming out of her. We're coming out of her politically,
• 1:12:16
  and it's up to you to whether you want to come out of her financially and geographically,
• 1:12:21
  but those are pretty well the three spiritually,
• 1:12:24
  you know, certainly we've come out of her spiritually.
• 1:12:28
  So what it tells me, Samuel, is that we're the remnant,
• 1:12:34
  and a remnant is only a small band,
• 1:12:37
  it's not a large band,
• 1:12:43
  and that's why I
• 1:12:45
  strive so hard to touch each and every one of you and get clarity because you're the ones that are going to carry on the message in your own spheres, see, And you're going to find the people that are in your own spheres of contact that are open and accepting
• 1:13:00
  of this, and then like Cody calling in yesterday, you can tell from Cody he just wants to know more. He can't believe it, but he wants to know more, and those are the people you're looking for.
• 1:13:13
  Unknown: Right.
• 1:13:15
  Well, there's that book, Truth is a Lonely Warrior,
• 1:13:19
  and in that book,
• 1:13:21
  he said the reason he wrote it
• 1:13:23
  was because if you showed just one conspiracy
• 1:13:27
  and and prove it,
• 1:13:29
  it doesn't have a lot of impact. But if you take dozens of them and you layer them up over time and you show how deceptive
• 1:13:37
  all the wars that we've been in and how they were started and all the false flags and what the government does. You know? I mean,
• 1:13:45
  you know, it's it's just,
• 1:13:47
  when they sold Social Security too. Oh, okay. We'll never use that as ID.
• 1:13:52
  Right?
• 1:13:53
  Unknown: It says it right on the card. It says it right on the card not to be used for identification.
• 1:14:01
  Unknown: What a joke.
• 1:14:07
  Unknown: Just So, it's getting back to these basics, realizing that freedom isn't free and that you don't know everything like you think you do, and you gotta go and do a little study, and you gotta make a sacrifice because freedom ain't free. I I mean, that's just a word. The rubber meets the road right there. If you wanna be free, you gotta work and you gotta sacrifice.
• 1:14:27
  Unknown: Yeah. I just, talked to a friend of mine who's a... She's a notary and she works for a real estate title company. Right.
• 1:14:36
  And,
• 1:14:38
  governor... The governor here, Brown, before he left off is he passed a new law for every document you file,
• 1:14:46
  it's a $75
• 1:14:48
  Unknown: fee to the state. Holy smokes. In any kind of... Like at the property records office and stuff, so if you wanna go file an affidavit at your property records, it's gonna cost you on top of the filing fee another $75?
• 1:15:01
  Sounds
• 1:15:03
  Unknown: like it, and then there's a filing fee per page.
• 1:15:05
  Unknown: Yeah, that's
• 1:15:07
  at the place, they do that anyway,
• 1:15:10
  but it sounds like what he's trying to do is lay a $75
• 1:15:14
  top on that. Well, they're desperate out there and you got terrible damn
• 1:15:19
  leadership
• 1:15:20
  in that state.
• 1:15:23
  Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's atrocious. I see some of the video clips of this new creep that replace
• 1:15:29
  Moonbeam out there, and and he's worse than he was.
• 1:15:36
  Unknown: Yeah. They're all related too.
• 1:15:39
  Well, they gotta keep He's a nephew of Pelosi or something like Oh my god.
• 1:15:45
  Unknown: Well, the the good news is is this is coming to an end. It's gonna get exposed,
• 1:15:50
  and Trump is exposing a lot of it to a to a large extent,
• 1:15:54
  and there are more and more people that are starting to ask questions, and it's gonna make it easier for us to find those percentages because they'll hear about this at some point.
• 1:16:04
  You know, I listen to other
• 1:16:07
  interviewers and stuff and watch a lot of videos and stuff, Sarah Westall in these interviews and people that I hold in some type of esteem
• 1:16:15
  for whatever reasons,
• 1:16:17
  and I can hear them all asking the question.
• 1:16:20
  I mean,
• 1:16:21
  Dave Dave Jand has come out, I've heard him ask it several times, What is the power root of the Rothschild Rockefeller
• 1:16:29
  nexus?
• 1:16:31
  What's the power root of the Rothschild Rockefeller nexus? Well, this is it!
• 1:16:39
  So I write him an email, said, I got them, you know, put in the subject line,
• 1:16:44
  Rockefeller
• 1:16:45
  Rothschild Nexus.
• 1:16:47
  Boom, you know, lay everything out, hell, I've never heard from him.
• 1:16:52
  I've contacted almost every one of these big guys over the years that that I listen to and stimulated by, and I've never gotten a response from any of them, Samuel. Now I understand that. They're busy, they got their own focus, here comes something in that sounds crazy and is incredibly complex,
• 1:17:11
  and they're not going to put their subject matter off to the side to sit and intake and understand this, and so therefore they don't understand the implications of it.
• 1:17:21
  And you hear them make stupid statements like make money out of thin air.
• 1:17:26
  You ever known a banker that did a loan without compound interest?
• 1:17:31
  Okay?
• 1:17:33
  They don't make
• 1:17:36
  money out of thin air, it's all collateralized
• 1:17:38
  for God's sakes.
• 1:17:41
  Unknown: Prior
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  prior to nine eleven, you know, say twenty years or so ago,
• 1:17:46
  there were a lot of people that if you were disgruntled with the government, were sticking up and still praising it. You don't really find that any more. I mean, very,
• 1:17:55
  very, very few people,
• 1:17:57
  have anything good to say about what governs them regardless of whether they're gonna believe you or not. Right?
• 1:18:03
  But on the other hand,
• 1:18:05
  there's
• 1:18:06
  the, even the ones that are maybe still think it's
• 1:18:12
  a reality,
• 1:18:14
  and good of some kind. They're almost like, well,
• 1:18:18
  it doesn't really even exist.
• 1:18:21
  I've had that discussion with a guy the other day. It's almost like there's really nobody there. You say they, there's no they there.
• 1:18:29
  You know what the pack is telling me?
• 1:18:32
  Unknown: Let
• 1:18:33
  Unknown: me tell you. I said, well, you sure of that?
• 1:18:38
  Unknown: There's a there's a cabal of these guys at the very top that know about this. I can give you a good example of reaction,
• 1:18:48
  Samuel.
• 1:18:49
  Remember in 2011
• 1:18:52
  when Obama on
• 1:18:54
  December 31 signed the NDAA?
• 1:19:01
  That's
• 1:19:03
  that act,
• 1:19:04
  that little terrorism deal,
• 1:19:07
  or they can name anybody a terrorist
• 1:19:10
  and throw you in jail if you're citizen of The United States.
• 1:19:15
  He did it on New Year's Eve, signed it for a reason.
• 1:19:20
  So,
• 1:19:21
  of course,
• 1:19:22
  in the NDAA
• 1:19:24
  where they can, along with all the other books over there in the law library,
• 1:19:29
  where they can do all this stuff to you,
• 1:19:31
  is only people they can do anything to are citizens of The United States and residents.
• 1:19:37
  You've
• 1:19:39
  got to be in that class before those man made laws attach to you. That's not hard to understand, is it?
• 1:19:47
  Nope. Okay, so I started talking about it on the air,
• 1:19:51
  and one morning I got up, I get up, get coffee, sit, nestle in front of the computer, and look at news stories that are breaking that day,
• 1:20:00
  and so I popped on, I don't remember what site it was, but there was a site in there about two United States senators
• 1:20:07
  that had just introduced and cosigned a bill
• 1:20:11
  that the NDAA
• 1:20:12
  was also applicable to US nationals.
• 1:20:21
  How are they going to take away my God given rights?
• 1:20:25
  They've already done... Think that was NASA or somebody else. No. No. I'm gonna... I... You're... Don't don't steal my thunder here. I got the punch line in a minute.
• 1:20:33
  But that's what they were trying to do is float a bill in the senate to take the same restrictions
• 1:20:39
  that are put under NDAA for citizens of The United States and residents
• 1:20:43
  and
• 1:20:44
  for US nationals, and one of that's stripping you of your citizenship.
• 1:20:49
  Guess
• 1:20:50
  who the senators were, Samuel?
• 1:20:55
  Unknown: Go ahead, Jim.
• 1:20:57
  Unknown: Mister Joe Lieberman, I call him Joe Revelation
• 1:21:01
  two nine and three nine Lieberman and it was cosigned by another new
• 1:21:06
  another new senator at that point named Chuckie the Schmuckie Schumer.
• 1:21:12
  So here's a bill introduced by Lieberman and cosigned by Schumer to take away and apply the NDAA to US nationals.
• 1:21:20
  I'm pretty sure they understand what's going on.
• 1:21:27
  Now, the other thing that's interesting to me, and I marvel about it as I think about it more and more, a couple of years ago when you were in limbo, Samuel,
• 1:21:38
  a couple of years ago they started hitting people with this what I call a bluff letter,
• 1:21:44
  and so people that would send in the affidavit and the passport would get this correspondence back, and the
• 1:21:50
  letters were not all the same, but the first paragraph
• 1:21:53
  in every letter was exactly the same one, this cut and paste deal,
• 1:21:58
  and it says, By what you have submitted, it appears that you're a citizen of The United States. It quotes the fourteenth Amendment,
• 1:22:05
  it says some other verbiage, and then down at the bottom, the very closing words of the paragraph are, except by operation of law.
• 1:22:14
  Now, as I got to thinking about it, we've overcome every one of those they've sent, because I'd be contacted by the people that got them,
• 1:22:22
  and so we'd script up a reply and they got their passport every time. But when they sent in their original package, it had the affidavit in it, which is pretty explicit,
• 1:22:32
  okay?
• 1:22:33
  And so, no matter which how you how you drew it up and and drafted it, I know that the ones that were sent in covered the key points,
• 1:22:43
  okay? And so, here they are saying sending back something saying, it appears by what you've submitted, hell, I submitted an affidavit that's pretty damn crystal clear. Were you thinking there's any ambiguity?
• 1:22:57
  And so what they're obviously trying to do is a last ditch effort to throw people off with this verbiage stuff.
• 1:23:04
  That's the best defense they've come up with in eight years, Samuel.
• 1:23:10
  Unknown: Now,
• 1:23:14
  Unknown: if that's the best defense they can come up with,
• 1:23:20
  what else do you think they're going to do? They can't come out and start dinging people
• 1:23:25
  because then it makes the whole situation obvious and notorious,
• 1:23:29
  and they do know one thing that we don't realize,
• 1:23:33
  and that's that there's just a very few of them, and there's hundreds of millions of us, and there ain't no scenario where they win.
• 1:23:45
  And you see, what they're having to do here
• 1:23:48
  is take the mask off,
• 1:23:51
  because it is tyranny,
• 1:23:53
  it's just really slickly hidden, and what they've been able to do all these years is keep the mask on,
• 1:23:59
  but now they're having to take the mask off,
• 1:24:02
  or at least reveal
• 1:24:04
  part of themselves,
• 1:24:06
  okay?
• 1:24:08
  And they don't like it because they realize that there's hundreds of millions of us and just a few of them, and by their little poles and all this stuff that they take,
• 1:24:17
  they know that the tide's turning,
• 1:24:20
  that the people are becoming aware.
• 1:24:22
  They understand the uprise of BDS
• 1:24:25
  and all of the worldwide reaction to what that bastard little state of murderers over there next in the Mediterranean is doing to their neighbors
• 1:24:34
  and has done for about the last, what's this, about a hundred years of the poor Palestinians
• 1:24:40
  being terrorized,
• 1:24:41
  murdered,
• 1:24:42
  attacked,
• 1:24:43
  and every other thing under the sun.
• 1:24:47
  Unknown: Yeah.
• 1:24:49
  You know, Roger,
• 1:24:51
  not to change the subject, but getting
• 1:24:54
  late here, I I wanted to make a request.
• 1:24:58
  A couple of weeks ago, Paul was on Deanna
• 1:25:02
  Spingola's
• 1:25:03
  show with the author
• 1:25:08
  of Hellstorm. Yes. Yeah.
• 1:25:11
  Okay.
• 1:25:12
  And he did a reading from Hellstorm.
• 1:25:14
  Unknown: He read that I read that book. Yeah, he did the whole audio book.
• 1:25:20
  Unknown: Yeah, know but he did some readings on her show from it. Oh, okay, yeah.
• 1:25:26
  Had I
• 1:25:27
  had read that book, but boy, is that powerful
• 1:25:30
  stuff. You ought to see if he would do one or two readings
• 1:25:34
  on the show when he's on. Well, he'll be on... Well,
• 1:25:38
  Unknown: he'll be on tomorrow. Let's put his butt on the spot.
• 1:25:42
  Unknown: Yeah. I mean, it's it's really,
• 1:25:45
  I read... Like I said, I read the book, but when he reads it,
• 1:25:49
  he has such good inflection
• 1:25:51
  and feeling
• 1:25:53
  projected
• 1:25:54
  in... Like this person is speaking,
• 1:25:56
  Unknown: it's it's incredible. It really is. Well, I can't compliment Paul enough,
• 1:26:02
  for putting this together for us and the relationship we've developed over two years now and how much I enjoy working with him. It's just a joy to work with him and to be able to be on the same page trying to accomplish a similar goal or the same goal, and
• 1:26:19
  it's just really inspiring to me.
• 1:26:22
  Believe me, I've looked for people to work with for a number of years now, and they're very few and far between.
• 1:26:27
  I should also say we had a conversation brief over the weekend,
• 1:26:32
  and
• 1:26:33
  Paul is finally really amped up on this common law birth certificate thing.
• 1:26:38
  And he's talked to John and was supposed to talk to him again, and
• 1:26:42
  is going to put more attention and focus on this area, and
• 1:26:47
  I think it's super important for us
• 1:26:51
  and for the other people of the world that don't have
• 1:26:54
  the wonderful access to the fourteenth Amendment that we've got now and with our understanding.
• 1:27:01
  So we're growing, you know, we continue to make progress, it's slow, everybody thinks things ought to happen immediately,
• 1:27:07
  they don't, it's slow in this life,
• 1:27:11
  but I'm real happy with where we are,
• 1:27:15
  I'm just tickled to death with the audience that we've got and the things that we've accomplished over here, and you know, the things look pretty good for us in the future, I think. I know they look real good for us financially
• 1:27:28
  because those of us who have taken heed and even if you don't have big cash flow and stuff and have been under impediments,
• 1:27:35
  you can get into some of these things that we're pioneering here on the air in a sense, and hopefully in the near future start changing all of our financial statuses.
• 1:27:45
  When all of our financial statuses
• 1:27:48
  start rising and people then start realizing that we did know what we were talking about, you get instant credibility,
• 1:27:55
  and now you got their attention easier.
• 1:28:02
  You know, people consider people with money, they look up to them and listen to them, sometimes no matter how shady a piece of crap they are, okay, the mere fact that they've accomplished that,
• 1:28:13
  and people
• 1:28:15
  in a sense and sometimes in a sick sense respect them, and they listen to them. It's the old one E. F. Hutton speaks, people listen, okay?
• 1:28:23
  And as we get down the line and some folks' lives turn around
• 1:28:28
  pretty dramatically from these financial changes that are coming, especially with your position correctly,
• 1:28:34
  people are going to start listening to you.
• 1:28:37
  And that's what I see as our time is down the line a bit, Samuel, but right now we've got to lay the base, the base is super important of anything that you're doing, and that's why I get on here every day
• 1:28:50
  that I can possibly get on the air because I want the consistency of the broadcast.
• 1:28:55
  I want you people that have woken up in the middle of the night thinking about some aspect of this that you don't understand to have a place the next day that you can call in and get an answer,
• 1:29:07
  that you can call in and hear other people talking that are coming to our message here and asking these questions that you may have been scared to call in and ask because,
• 1:29:17
  Oh God, I'm in hiding, I'm this, I'm that. Well, that's the height of unempowerment right there.
• 1:29:24
  Okay?
• 1:29:26
  But I understand it. I'm not criticizing people, I understand it. But that's why this format and what we do is structured the way it is, and we do what we do is to try and build this core.
• 1:29:39
  The core and the base is going to be very important in the future, and I want a solid one.
• 1:29:45
  I want every one of you. Samuel, I want you to know this stuff as good as I do.
• 1:29:55
  Unknown: Know that that's ever gonna happen in...
• 1:29:57
  Unknown: Just it's just not way the my brain works. Well, it doesn't matter. It's how much time are you gonna put into understanding it because the answers are right there.
• 1:30:05
  Okay? And you gotta learn. As... You know, Brent, when when Brent... In the early days, when Brent...
• 1:30:12
  Hey, Lauren. I'll get to you in a second here. I wanna make a point. When Brent didn't understand this, and I could have those shows with him on Friday, and we'd talk about this stuff, and I could tell he didn't get it, and so could the listeners. You remember those shows, don't you, Chris?
• 1:30:27
  And people would contact me afterwards and they say, man, Brent just doesn't get it. Brent just doesn't get it, alright?
• 1:30:33
  And then, one day, he just got it.
• 1:30:38
  Hey, Lauren. How are doing, sweetie?
• 1:30:42
  Good morning. I'm fabulous. How are you? Good. Pretty good. We got Tuesday lunch here a little bit and all that stuff, so always like Tuesdays.
• 1:30:49
  Glad you're having a good day.
• 1:30:52
  Unknown: Tuesdays
• 1:30:53
  is the only day I have off, so I love Tuesdays. What
• 1:30:57
  I was calling for was, I believe it was a couple of weeks ago that Sam called in and said, how do you start the conversation? Yes. And because I work I work with with the pub... I'm a cashier in a grocery store. So I work with the public frequently and have found
• 1:31:12
  many different ways to not...
• 1:31:15
  Well, I guess, to to start the
• 1:31:17
  inquiry.
• 1:31:20
  And I'll give you some examples.
• 1:31:22
  Couple comes through my line. So what's new? Well, I finally changed my citizenship status.
• 1:31:28
  Well, you would have thought somebody knocked these two people upside the head with a cinder block. They looked at me. What?
• 1:31:34
  Well, I finally changed my citizenship status.
• 1:31:37
  To what?
• 1:31:39
  A US national.
• 1:31:41
  What what was it?
• 1:31:42
  A United States citizen.
• 1:31:44
  Well, why did you change? And then we get into this conversation.
• 1:31:48
  The the the the lady was
• 1:31:51
  wrapped
• 1:31:52
  with attention to what I was saying. She... I took out, how did you learn this? Where did you learn this? And I took... I said, well, you know, I've been studying constitutional law and the lawful application of the Internal Revenue Code for about the last thirty years. And then I found this information.
• 1:32:08
  And, of course, I always have your book with me. And she took a picture of the book.
• 1:32:13
  And the next customer comes up, and she's not leaving. She just goes behind my register, she keeps talking to me. And she and she says... I... And I hear her say to her husband when we were finally finished, she goes, man, she knows more than I know. So I'm thinking, well, good. This lady's already
• 1:32:29
  in the game.
• 1:32:31
  So that was one conversation. You just start, well, I finally changed my citizenship status. That's very good. And before I finally That's very good. Before I
• 1:32:39
  oh, thank you. And before I did change my citizenship status, I would say to people,
• 1:32:45
  you know, they say, how are you? Well, I'm I'm studying to change my citizenship status.
• 1:32:50
  And that would that would open the conversation.
• 1:32:52
  And
• 1:32:54
  then...
• 1:32:55
  Oh, and then I had another lady, and I was talking to her about it. And, you know, how are you? Well, I finally got my citizenship status changed. Or or I I have an un rebutted affidavit on file with the state department. Now people don't talk like this. You know? So it's gonna shock... You're you're you're what?
• 1:33:12
  You did what?
• 1:33:13
  Uh-huh. I mean, this is completely fine. So you're gonna get their attention. You're either gonna get their attention and they're going to ask you questions or
• 1:33:23
  they're not.
• 1:33:25
  Because they they don't understand what she said and they don't want to understand. And that's fine. That's fine. So I get chatting with her and she's really interested. And she goes, well, is there a group somewhere? And I said, well, we we kind of all get together. What was this... You know, I was happy to book. This gentleman has a radio show, and she's writing it all down. I said, and that's kind of where we meet and listen and chat with each other.
• 1:33:47
  And
• 1:33:48
  she she says, well, there's there's not like a local group. And I said,
• 1:33:53
  no. We're like a bunch of little termites eating up the rotten wood of this infrastructure that is stealing our substance.
• 1:34:00
  And she goes, oh.
• 1:34:02
  So
• 1:34:03
  then I... Then I'm I'm just coming back from Tennessee a couple days ago from visiting my sister.
• 1:34:08
  And
• 1:34:09
  I'm in the middle seat, man on the on the left of me. He's on his phone playing some game. Lady on the right, she's on her tablet playing some game. I get out my my pocket constitution.
• 1:34:19
  And I'm reading because I'm... Because I keep hearing
• 1:34:22
  some of the shows I listen to for people who have needed to get into the actual venue called court.
• 1:34:30
  They question, is this an article three court? And that's something I'm trying to understand. So I was reading through the constitution. Well, what the heck is an article three court? So I'm studying that. And I always reread the thirteenth and the fourteenth as well.
• 1:34:44
  So after a while, this gentleman takes his headphones off and he says,
• 1:34:50
  I noticed you're reading the constitution.
• 1:34:52
  And I said, yes.
• 1:34:55
  And he didn't say anything. And I said, did you wanna know why?
• 1:34:59
  And he said,
• 1:35:01
  yes.
• 1:35:02
  So I explained to him a little bit about the thirteenth and the fourteenth. And he and he said... And and John Vincent and Glenn Amborg, you know, the study that they did.
• 1:35:11
  And he goes,
• 1:35:12
  oh.
• 1:35:13
  And he puts his headphones back in. And I said, okay. Well, you know, you asked, I answered. That's all I need to do. So just when the plane is descending, he takes his headphones off and he says,
• 1:35:24
  who's the man you said wrote that book?
• 1:35:27
  And I gave him your name, and he got his phone. He typed your name in his in his book. So there are lots of different ways
• 1:35:33
  to...
• 1:35:34
  Uh-oh. Here's another one I'll say I'll say sometimes to people.
• 1:35:38
  Have you read the Internal Revenue Code lately? Oh god. Well, who asked that question? Right? And and that... And they go,
• 1:35:44
  no.
• 1:35:46
  Well, you know, I was looking through it the other day. And you know that that part that deals with wage and employment taxes? And I I got a pretty good chance that I'm usually gonna be talking to somebody
• 1:35:57
  who's subject to wage and employment taxes.
• 1:36:00
  And and they'll go, yeah. I said, well, this is really interesting. You know law must be specific or it's void for vagueness. Right? And they're gonna agree with me. Of course. So I take out the copy of... I said, well, this is right off of the government website out of that section,
• 1:36:16
  the description of United And I let them read it.
• 1:36:19
  And it says, Guam, Puerto Rico, you know, there's no State of the Union there. And they look at that
• 1:36:25
  and they go...
• 1:36:26
  They'll they'll say one or two things.
• 1:36:29
  Wow. Or they'll say, oh, well, they meant to put the states there, but they just didn't. Sure. It says included. Sure. And then
• 1:36:37
  then I whip out my copy of the definition of statutory construction.
• 1:36:43
  Includes means only what is written there. Blah. So there you go. So
• 1:36:48
  there's lots of little ways that you can start the conversation.
• 1:36:53
  And...
• 1:36:54
  But, of course, you you you... Of course, like Roger says, you need to own the information. You need... You gotta know what you're talking about.
• 1:37:01
  Or Yeah. That's it. Or have or have some documentation with you. I always have papers.
• 1:37:07
  Like, this is printed right off the government website. Just read that. You know? So I didn't make it up. You can go look it up too. Here it is. So there's lots of ways to start to
• 1:37:16
  wake people up. Yep. And they either are or they aren't. Those are great approaches,
• 1:37:20
  Unknown: Lauren, and I appreciate you sharing them with me, and I can see how effective those are. You always ask a question, and you never ask a question you don't know the answer to. Samuel, you were trying to say something.
• 1:37:33
  Unknown: Yeah. Lauren, it's exactly how I started out, only I was unprepared
• 1:37:39
  and the guy,
• 1:37:40
  he attacked
• 1:37:41
  really hard because, well, you're gonna have to defend that if you believe it, and he was right. And I couldn't defend it well, and that's why I failed. Well, Samuel, may I give you a hint and everybody else, and I was a professional educator for ten years,
• 1:37:57
  Unknown: and there's a saying in the teaching business
• 1:37:59
  that if you want to learn something,
• 1:38:02
  teach it.
• 1:38:03
  So the best thing for you to do if you're having problems getting the base of information
• 1:38:08
  is to find somebody who wants to listen and attempt to teach it to them. You'll learn it a lot quicker that way.
• 1:38:17
  Unknown: And I'd like to pass something else on.
• 1:38:20
  Was it Lauren? Yes. Yes.
• 1:38:24
  There's a... I don't know if you've heard about these two retired judges.
• 1:38:29
  They were
• 1:38:30
  federal judges.
• 1:38:31
  Melvin Stamper.
• 1:38:33
  Yeah. Yes. And
• 1:38:35
  judge Dale. They both... Uh-huh.
• 1:38:38
  Mister Stamper has a book called
• 1:38:40
  Fruit of the Poisonous Tree
• 1:38:44
  and
• 1:38:45
  goes into
• 1:38:47
  this stuff and Dale in these courts and
• 1:38:51
  how you can get the judge pinned down to where he doesn't
• 1:38:55
  wanna say what his jurisdiction is.
• 1:38:58
  Unknown: If you've done everything properly, you'll never be in that position.
• 1:39:03
  Unknown: Okay.
• 1:39:04
  Unknown: Now, Roger, what I would like to post to you, and I know we're in new territory here, I I am still employed,
• 1:39:11
  and
• 1:39:12
  I unfortunately will need to stay employed for a while.
• 1:39:16
  So now that I do have my unrebudded affidavit from the State department, I was thinking about doing this.
• 1:39:23
  I was going to take that copy and send it to... Because I'm sure the state department doesn't immediately notify all of the other federal officers, hey, don't touch this gal. She's off limits. Right? Nope. So that's up to me. So I was going to
• 1:39:37
  essentially make me and him a little cover letter that this this unrebutted affidavit is on file or has has been whatever with with the the State Department and send it to all of the head
• 1:39:49
  of the Internal Revenue Service offices around the country,
• 1:39:53
  register return receipt so I get this card.
• 1:39:56
  Unknown: Don't know that you gotta do it to every
• 1:39:59
  office around the country. I think central one is probably suffices.
• 1:40:04
  Okay?
• 1:40:05
  But go ahead and and we can... I wanna get into this because this is an important caveat for a lot of people, so go ahead.
• 1:40:12
  Unknown: Okay. Well, I wanted to do it because one of the things that I did learn from going up to Save a Patriot Fellowship was
• 1:40:18
  building a case. When you're going to
• 1:40:22
  attempt to do something, you start to build your case immediately.
• 1:40:26
  You're gathering evidence.
• 1:40:28
  Unknown: Do. Case. Where are you building your case? You're building it in your administrative
• 1:40:33
  file.
• 1:40:34
  Unknown: Correct.
• 1:40:36
  So so that's why I wanted to to get on... Return
• 1:40:40
  receipt, you know, signed return receipt card
• 1:40:43
  from all those offices
• 1:40:45
  and then present it to my employer. Now the SEDM
• 1:40:50
  website has
• 1:40:52
  a voluminous amounts of information. Yeah. And one of them is
• 1:40:56
  presenting this documentation
• 1:40:58
  to your employer and how to explain to your employer that, yes, this is totally lawful and legal and
• 1:41:05
  how how to approach that. So that's going to be my next step.
• 1:41:10
  Unknown: I've advised people, remember folks that when we started this, we didn't know the Secretary of State connection and the importance of it. John, although he knew all the feudal stuff, he didn't realize
• 1:41:22
  Secretary of State is the lord of the manor, as it refers to what we're talking about here,
• 1:41:28
  okay? So we were instructed to send that affidavit with the NR returns to the Philadelphia,
• 1:41:34
  they're in your state, Philadelphia Service Center is the service center that handles nonresident alien returns,
• 1:41:42
  okay, and
• 1:41:43
  we quickly, as they figured out what was going on, we started getting a 500
• 1:41:48
  frivolous filing penalty in return for our affidavit submissions, I got one of those, okay,
• 1:41:55
  and
• 1:41:58
  that now is $5,000
• 1:42:01
  But since we've gotten in and figured this thing out more, of course, what I advise people to do first of all, and Lauren, I'm sure you fit into this, is get a clean slate with these blood sucking bastards.
• 1:42:13
  Unknown: Well,
• 1:42:14
  Unknown: do have one, and that's the good thing. Okay, that is the good thing, because you're not gonna get out of a previous contract they've already got you in, alright?
• 1:42:23
  If you've got a clean slate with them, you do exactly
• 1:42:26
  in the pecking order that's required. The reason they sent us that $500
• 1:42:31
  frivolous filing penalty is because we'd not changed our status with the Secretary of State. That's the only grounds they could have done that on, okay?
• 1:42:39
  So when you send it to him first, he's the head guy over that department,
• 1:42:45
  now you're officially fit into the IRS's
• 1:42:48
  categorization
• 1:42:49
  as a nonresident alien, and of course most people put that in
• 1:42:54
  their affidavit as it pertains to that, okay?
• 1:42:57
  So if
• 1:42:58
  you'll write them a nice cover letter
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  and
• 1:43:03
  say this affidavit has been on file with Secretary of State and is unrebudded.
• 1:43:08
  Please put it in my administrative
• 1:43:10
  folder or file and correct your records.
• 1:43:14
  Okay? Now you do have a case to go because you put them both on notice. You fulfill the first half of due process,
• 1:43:21
  all right? And now you can go to your employer, and there's probably a couple of ways to do it. You could present them with that affidavit. I don't know how they're going to react, but you've covered all your bases and dotted your Is and crossed your Ts, so they may have to just
• 1:43:38
  recognize you as a national, and that's a very interesting approach because I've never thought about it before, Lauren, quite frankly.
• 1:43:45
  You know, I'm not in this situation, and again,
• 1:43:48
  unless somebody brings it to us like you're doing now, we don't have a reason explore it,
• 1:43:54
  and that may just work. The other thing you could probably do, if they balk at that, is to go back and change your withholding and put nine
• 1:44:03
  dependents in there and get them to not take that little bit out.
• 1:44:08
  But I like the other approach of going to the Secretary of State, putting the IRS on notice, and then giving that paperwork
• 1:44:15
  to the person that handles accounting there and let them deal with that hot potato.
• 1:44:22
  Ordinarily, they're not going to fight your battle, there ain't no company on the face of the earth that's going to fight your IRS battle for you. You're going to have to fight it yourself.
• 1:44:32
  Unknown: Right.
• 1:44:33
  I know that, but I was also wondering if I should send an affidavit of revocation and rescission of my signature off of my W-four.
• 1:44:44
  Unknown: I don't know, I don't think so, because you've changed your status.
• 1:44:48
  You might could do that if you wanted to go to that extent, but see, now your status has changed from as of that date that it's received by the Secretary of State and shouldn't be any retroactive stuff,
• 1:44:59
  okay? Okay. So all you have to do is put them on notice that that has happened.
• 1:45:06
  Okay. And, you know, you've been there a long time with them. You probably know those folks. I'm sure they like you and love you like we do.
• 1:45:14
  It'll be interesting to see how the accounting department reacts to the little rebel, Lauren.
• 1:45:21
  Unknown: Well, this would go to human resources, and I have dealt with human resources.
• 1:45:25
  Unknown: They won't know what to do with it. No. No. They'll... This is you're gonna throw them for a loop if you take this course and send that to them, because it does with everybody,
• 1:45:34
  okay?
• 1:45:35
  This is the way we make progress is we press the envelope. We get answers,
• 1:45:40
  and we find people maybe on the inside that are going, Well, I'll be Durn. I had suspicion this was going on all along and now we got a new convert. Well,
• 1:45:51
  Unknown: and the good thing about this is my sister works in human resources in a hospital.
• 1:45:55
  And I asked her, I said, Have you ever processed someone who was a US national? And she said, what? So I explained it to her. And I said, well,
• 1:46:05
  you you may
• 1:46:07
  begin to be presented with people who are US nationals,
• 1:46:11
  and
• 1:46:12
  there would be a different process for them because they're not subjected to most of the codes of federal regulations that you have to fulfill.
• 1:46:21
  And she said...
• 1:46:23
  So... And she asked her two other superiors about it. They knew nothing.
• 1:46:27
  So I may be also educating
• 1:46:30
  Vanderbilt Hospital.
• 1:46:32
  Unknown: Well, it's just at that point. See, we're getting to that point when this information is getting out and people are curious enough because they're frustrated.
• 1:46:40
  Samuel, I don't know if I ever told you the story or if you heard it, the other audience has, I've told it a few times.
• 1:46:46
  The only time in the entire time that I've been doing this for all these years that I've ever had a chance to sit down with a representative of the federal government
• 1:46:56
  and present this affidavit
• 1:46:58
  to them and explain it to them
• 1:47:02
  was in Argentina when I was having to get a temporary passport.
• 1:47:06
  My first port was stolen
• 1:47:08
  by some wonderful Americans down there, along with five ounces of gold and a whole bunch of other stuff, our great countrymen,
• 1:47:17
  and so I had to get a replacement passport because I was trying to apply for Social Security, and you've got to have a passport if you're in a foreign country to do that,
• 1:47:26
  okay? And so I didn't have the original copy of my birth certificate, everybody carries an original copy of your birth certificate around with you, don't you?
• 1:47:37
  Okay,
• 1:47:38
  had applied two years earlier and gotten my first passport,
• 1:47:42
  I know damn well they have to put it in the administrative file up there, but when I go to apply for it and don't have the original, they won't give it to me. Not a JPEG of it. I said, I was talking to the girl, because this is the passport office at the embassy in Buenos Aires, and I said, Well, look, I just had this two years ago, I know you got it on file, and she lied to me. She said, We get rid of that stuff, and that's not true because they have to hold it, okay?
• 1:48:09
  And so I wasn't sharp enough and I was under pressure at that point from a lot of different forces,
• 1:48:14
  and I went ahead and said, Okay, she says, This is what we can do. We can give you temporary passport,
• 1:48:20
  you pay for the regular one, a 100 and whatever dollars it is, and we'll give you a temporary one that's good for a year, and if you turn that in within a year, we'll give you the ten
• 1:48:32
  year one and you don't have to pay anymore.
• 1:48:35
  And I could use the temporary one for what I wanted to do and I had no identification
• 1:48:40
  down there because mine was stolen. You can't go pick up money, you can't do anything, okay?
• 1:48:46
  And so
• 1:48:48
  rather than go all the way to Buenos Aires, 600 miles each way and the expense and overnight and all that stuff,
• 1:48:55
  they have a program in these foreign countries called an outreach program,
• 1:48:59
  and twice a year they take people from the embassy and send them to the hinterlands
• 1:49:05
  of the country they're in to do these kind of things so people don't have to come to the embassy.
• 1:49:10
  So I said, Well, when is the next one? And she said, It's a month away. And I said, Well, I'll schedule that and I'll meet you up in Mendoza,
• 1:49:18
  which was the county seat of the province I was in. And so I went up there and sat down. It was two females,
• 1:49:24
  Lauren. One of them was Argentinian because they hire local people there for administrative work in the embassies,
• 1:49:30
  and the other was a gal from Wisconsin
• 1:49:32
  who was part oriental
• 1:49:34
  and at
• 1:49:36
  least part oriental. I could see she had oriental blood. And she was real sweet and she was very lovely. And so we sit down at the table there and I hand her that affidavit
• 1:49:46
  and I explained
• 1:49:48
  it to her, Betty,
• 1:49:50
  and
• 1:49:51
  her response was this,
• 1:49:53
  she said,
• 1:49:54
  Well, Roger,
• 1:49:56
  we've dealt with other U. S. Nationals before,
• 1:50:00
  but we've never dealt with one like this.
• 1:50:04
  That was her exact words, okay, and I said, Well, why don't you take it back down to the embassy and go give it to the legal department?
• 1:50:13
  Which we said our adus and ten days later I got my temporary passport.
• 1:50:20
  Unknown: Hurrah.
• 1:50:21
  Unknown: Okay, but that's the only time I've ever been able to explain it to them, and they're all
• 1:50:27
  in a fog
• 1:50:29
  too,
• 1:50:30
  except the other interesting
• 1:50:32
  experience I had was on the very first trip when I visited Argentina,
• 1:50:36
  and my buddy was a seasoned traveler, and I'd never done any of this stuff, so we meet down in Miami,
• 1:50:42
  and we meet in the concourse there finally,
• 1:50:45
  and we go down to the... The flight
• 1:50:47
  departing is always at the end of the damn terminal, of course, and so you walk down this long terminal and he was quicker than I was, and he had all his magic check-in stuff, and he got through that check-in procedure quick, and he was over there sitting, talking to a male and a female, and I got through the procedure, and I went over there to sit down with him, and he says, Roger, this is so and so and so and so. They work at the embassy in Jamaica.
• 1:51:15
  Okay, and so I was going, Oh, well nice to meet you, and all that stuff, and right then they did the boarding call. So everybody gets up and they get boarded on this big overnight plane to Argentina,
• 1:51:27
  And so we fly overnight, and the next morning everybody wakes up, and you know, if you've been in that experience
• 1:51:33
  of an overnight flight, everybody needs to go to the bathroom at the same time, okay? The sun starts coming in the windows it's left open, people wake up, there's the rustling around, people moving, everybody kind of wakes up, and first thing you want do is go to the bathroom, alright? And so the bathrooms in those big planes are spaced, there's some up in the first class, and then there's a couple of different things in the length of the plane. Well, I get in line waiting in the bathroom to go to the bathroom
• 1:52:01
  with the male that worked at the embassy
• 1:52:04
  in Jamaica
• 1:52:06
  and he's right. I don't remember if in front of me or behind me, but he's right there next to me.
• 1:52:11
  So now he's a captive audience,
• 1:52:14
  and so I start, I say, Well really, you work at the embassy? Yeah, yeah, yeah, and I said, Well you know there's a lot of... This was in 2007,
• 1:52:21
  and it was when the big expatriation
• 1:52:23
  wave was first starting,
• 1:52:26
  and
• 1:52:27
  there comes Samuel back in here, he must have dropped.
• 1:52:30
  And so
• 1:52:31
  I was commenting on the fact that there was all these people that were starting to expatriate.
• 1:52:37
  Now to expatriate,
• 1:52:38
  you've got to have, first of all, a passport from another country.
• 1:52:43
  You've got to have another slave passport
• 1:52:46
  for you to go to, or else they won't let you expatriate.
• 1:52:50
  You don't just get to say, Hey, I'm out of here. It
• 1:52:54
  used to be a procedure you could call the embassy in the morning and within a couple of days pay the small fee and go through the procedure, exchange your passports, and you're done, but there were so many people doing it that year that the numbers had escalated
• 1:53:09
  and since now it costs you over $4,000
• 1:53:12
  to go through that process and it can take months.
• 1:53:16
  They've delayed it, they've put stipulations in there, and there's so many people wanting to do it that it's really clogged it up. Well, it wasn't that way back then when I was having this conversation with this guy, and I said, There's a lot of people that are expatriating
• 1:53:30
  and stuff I read about, and he goes,
• 1:53:32
  That's what I do at the Embassy.
• 1:53:39
  And I go, Holy smokes.
• 1:53:41
  And I said, Do you know that there's two types of citizenship in this country?
• 1:53:45
  And that guy looks at me with like fear in his eyes.
• 1:53:49
  Okay? He was noticeably shaken and he goes, I
• 1:53:53
  don't know about anything like that, you'd have to talk to the legal department up in DC,
• 1:53:57
  and he gets out of the line to go to the bathroom when he's just about at the door and goes shagging up the aisle of the airplane,
• 1:54:06
  and I never saw him again.
• 1:54:11
  Unknown: Okay?
• 1:54:14
  Unknown: So those are the two personal
• 1:54:16
  experiences that I've had with hierarchy at embassies outside the country.
• 1:54:26
  Now there's another situation of these American Samoan attorneys. I've got the article saved somewhere, I'd like to try and get ahold of these guys actually,
• 1:54:35
  and there's a case out in Utah and they're trying to get birthright citizenship for these American Samoans.
• 1:54:41
  And there's an article, I don't remember if somebody... Somebody probably sent it to me, you guys are so good about doing that, and so there at the long article he goes over all the different things that are happening in the case and
• 1:54:53
  this, that, and the other. And then at the bottom, one of the attorneys, one of the American Samoan attorneys
• 1:55:00
  says, makes a statement, there are two types of citizenship in this country. It's right in the article.
• 1:55:07
  Wow.
• 1:55:09
  Unknown: Well, I did notice in checking in, there was a specific notification
• 1:55:13
  before you get through the security procedures.
• 1:55:16
  American Samoans,
• 1:55:18
  your passport is no longer...
• 1:55:21
  Yeah. But they can't use their driver's license as identification
• 1:55:25
  anymore. Really? And it was specifically only... Yeah. It specifically said
• 1:55:30
  American Samoans.
• 1:55:32
  And they... So they had to have a passport. They were not accepting their driver's licenses as identification. Isn't that interesting? That's
• 1:55:40
  interesting.
• 1:55:41
  It is. I I thought that was very interesting. I'll noodle on that here
• 1:55:46
  Unknown: and we'll see if we can find some sort of an answer to that Lauren, that's quite provocative. What were you gonna say Samuel?
• 1:55:53
  Unknown: Yeah. Isn't that part of the real idea?
• 1:55:56
  Unknown: Very well could be.
• 1:55:59
  Unknown: Could be, yeah.
• 1:56:01
  Unknown: Don't California, forget
• 1:56:03
  Unknown: you have the choice, if you wanna get on an airplane, I don't know what the cutoff date is, and travel or get into a public building,
• 1:56:11
  you're gonna have to have the real idea, not the standard California driver's license. Well, now this is very interesting as I think about this, American
• 1:56:19
  Unknown: Samoans can get a driver's license if they're not residents, can't they?
• 1:56:26
  I don't know. In The US, you've got to be a resident to get one. They can't be a resident in American Samoa or it ties them back into the fourteenth amendment.
• 1:56:37
  Unknown: Oh, that's right.
• 1:56:41
  How about that?
• 1:56:44
  Unknown: Well, how about that? There's something to ponder on between now and the next time we get together.
• 1:56:49
  That resident is the big word to this whole thing, man. Resident is the big landmine in the whole world.
• 1:56:57
  So, anyway, well, look, good conversation. Samuel, thanks for calling in, Chris. Always a pleasure to have you along. And Lauren,
• 1:57:04
  oh, how privileged we are, and I'm you that you called and gave us all these tips today, and I personally
• 1:57:12
  am thankful for your involvement and all the contributions you make, okay?
• 1:57:16
  Oh, you're welcome. My Well, I wish there's more females out there like you, and there may be, we just hadn't found them yet. But we sure appreciate you, girl. They're out there. I want you to know we appreciate Okay.
• 1:57:27
  You guys have a good day. I'm gonna go have lunch with the expats and we'll see about how what happens with Paul tomorrow.
• 1:57:34
  So, thanks for your contribution.
• 1:57:36
  Hope you got something out of the program. See you tomorrow. Ciao. Ciao.
• 1:58:29
  Unknown: Blasting the Voice of Freedom Worldwide, you're listening to the Global Voice Radio Network.
• 1:58:35
  Unknown: Bye bye, boys. Have fun storming the castle.