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Seattle results or Ranking GG employees · Archons Corner

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Sadly, I sleep vergency concept. All right, what's going on? Everybody?
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Welcome to the ship show dollar for the swear jar. We got a
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bunch of people on today because that's how we're feeling. We got big z
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Hey, we got Southerly Hohly, we got the choke show himself draft car.
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Hey, guys, that's going the Ewaks of Ewasiwak Junior. Hello,
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keyborge community. I apologize for all of these yahoo's. I don't apologize.
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Let's see, we got a resident PhD doctor sheep. Hello, I have
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nothing good for the other two of you, because this is totally on the
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fly. We got the noble one. Hey, yeah, we're going,
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and we have Zander. Hey, I get a paid for this, right,
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No, no, yea, as much as we get tell you wait
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wait whatever maid, as much as we do. Yeah, whatever I'm getting,
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I'll double it. You get paid in bulk away decks. No,
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no, no, no, you owe gars and you and a piece of
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your soul. That's what's right. I'll take those. I'll take just feeling
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today. So we got a whole bunch of people, is what it is.
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But we had a vault tour recently. Let's see we had Noble one
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was there, Z was there, and Sheep was there. That was it,
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right? Yep? All right, tell me about it. You were
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a handful of other people there. But that mean, well, what like
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five or time I felt like that? Yeah, So tell me about Seattle.
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How to go poorly? Well, we know we would know how it
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went for you sheet our audience. Why not? Oh it went poorly for
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Sheep. I mean it sounded like a ton of fun. Yeah. It
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was potentially the best run Vault tour yet. So we're making the new era
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or just overall of the New era, okay, in that we got to
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actually play both formats. So once again, this is not not a single
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Vault tour has really been run the same, Right, Philly was run different
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than Roseville, which was run different than Yeah. Right, we had true
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double elimination it was miserable. And then at Yep and then we had our
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first experience at two l O in Roseville where three people actually got to play
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one ello. And then because there turns out nobody wants to play Alliance,
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we got to play both formats in Seattle, and I think only how many
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people were one ello in Alliance? I think it was. I think it
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was one in each of them. I was busy crying at that point,
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so I don't know what was going on. It was one in ARCon,
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and then it was going to be one in Alliance, but someone actually dropped
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after making it, so there were none that were actually eliminated at one loss
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technically, but it was going to be one. So he said this was
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the best event run yet. I would agree. I mean, was that
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because of a size that helped? That helped. A smaller size was you
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were able to they were able to filter more. I think it would have
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been run well even if it were bigger. They had all the stuff there.
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We mentioned it in Minnesota that they kind of knew what all of the
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places to play were and they told us all as the audience where that was.
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They kept that theme in place. You knew exactly where to play adventures,
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you knew exactly where to play Second Amber, which it sounds like they
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actually played a lot of Second Amber games, and you knew how to play
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in a pot if you wanted to do that, and they did fire stuff
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constantly throughout the events. I also heard the accommodations were pretty nice there.
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The hotel was beautiful like it was like Zach and I had mentioned this multiple
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times. Like the venue itself in the borrow we were in was nice.
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It had multiple places you could eat, It had like a whole restaurant train
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rider across the streets you could literally walk to. And yeah, the rooms
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were nice as far as that goes. Did they say anything about allowing so
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they did people could play r cond alliance. Are they're going to do that
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for the next ones or is this a one off? Because there wasn't enough
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people at all, A lot of people ask that. They definitely did respond
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consistently with This was not their intention. It did make us kind of infer
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that it would not happen as a plan again, but they also then got
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a lot of positive feedback and being able to play both. I would hope
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until we hit like over I don't know, like one hundred and fifty people
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in the event that they'd keep doing this. My hope is that none of
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us think that Dallas or Vegas will be that big, like over one hundred
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and fifty total, So I would hope we would see the same thing in
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Dallas and Vegas. My feeling is Dallas is going to be bigger. Just
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I mean, I think I think Dallas will be somewhere around Minnesota Philly size,
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but like I think it's going to be more Philly than Minnesota. But
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even at Philly size with two llo then Josh is aware of this. He
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actually didn't agree that it could be run the same as it was in Seattle.
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But we also like every time that was asked, we were basically responded
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to like this was not the intended way to do this, even for Seattle,
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they just didn't have that many people sign up for Alliance. Well,
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you had a very weird schedule, right, and and tell me if I'm
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wrong, because I feel like I am. But you had gen Con and
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then was there a week break in there or was it literally gen Con then
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Roseville, gen Con off a week Minnesota and then the right end of Seattle.
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So it was it was almost literally back to back to back, like
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as close as you could probably get it back to back to back, which
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my feeling is that Roosevelt being so close to gen Con hurt Roseville. Well,
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and it was the one that was a moved. This was originally supposed
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to be in July. A lot of people that booked originally back then couldn't
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move their stuff, Like Zach and me had booked, then we got it
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moved, ended up costing more me like time off and stuff like like the
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Minnesota one was Roseville was changed, Yes, yeah, yeah, that was
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changed and then like because that's more Midwestern and that's there a lot of people
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are there. If you're gonna go to Minnesota, it's really hard to then
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go to Seattle. Like I think Minnesota getting moved screwed Seattle's attendance as far
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as things go. Your point earlier, Wookie, it's in Texas, it
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has to be bigger. Oh well everything, I mean, you can fit
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Texas in Texas. So no, no, no matter how many people are
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there, Dallas is going to be the biggest. I just I feel like
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having so many so close hurt the attendance levels. Like just got three three
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solid weeks before Dallas in between, like so there's two full weekends in between,
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so hopefully well. And another thing is the two LLO announcement might not
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have been soon enough for people because there were definitely people that did not go
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to gen Con because of double limb and then they changed it and then it
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could take time to like rebook or re Re, you know, want to
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go because people were kind of turned off about the double limp thing, right,
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So I feel like Dallas is going to be more Philly sized than it
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is anything else. Obviously we'll have to wait and see for that one,
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but I feel like having it so all these so close together was just I
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mean, if Seattle was the late edition, right, Seattle came later,
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it was Seattle, And what was the did they add Vegas? Vegas?
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Seattle and Vegas that were added at the end. Yeah, so I think
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that Vegas has really nice transportation for flying in and out. I hate to
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say it, but Seattle is not a direct flight from many different airports,
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so anyone who's traveling you have to be able to pull a larger populace from
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right around that area. And there are a pretty big hub because it's a
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cruise hub. There's a lot of direct flights there. It is. But
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the time zone thing is hell right, Like that was rough. That would
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have been a California vault too, Yes, I can see it. What
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what killed it was so many events stacked on top of each other. Because
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Seattle actually had a pretty good local population, really not as good as Philly,
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but they had right, that was half the field was cool, you
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know, like when you look at where Philly is and how much it has
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a full circle of poll and all all the East Coast has got huge population.
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Where Seattle it's it's radius circle half of its water. It can't pull
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any people from correct, So it was just never going with the Awkwards.
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Well turns out they don't play key forge. That's because they're in it.
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Well, I remember when we were doing those like radio with JM, like
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if we controlled the vaults, like if they see like, we would not
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have had like Seattle nor California anything was on our list. We had one
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in Vegas and that was the expected to pull all of those population centers because
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that's the only place you can put it because it's only one time zone difference
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from the Central time Zone, and then the Westerners are used to that,
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like that's outside of that. Like we didn't see Seattle be in viable and
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if you put it down in California, you literally only get California. I
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know that we talked a little bit about kind of running the two events back
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to back. I'm curious because kind of they cast here a split between people
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who went some people who didn't, So this is more for people but who
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didn't did it bother you knowing that maybe you went to a previous fault tour
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that it was run differently, or were you okay with gigs turning on the
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spot and being flexible and offering this to everyone who was there, like basic
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with them to continue to improve, right, Like, Like I like I
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was very happy for the folks there. I was extra jealous of not being
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able to go, but like that, I'm not like, what were they're
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doing? Right, I'm like, awesome, Maybe I'll look at that opportunity,
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uh next time, Like it just jazzed me up even more for Dallas,
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which I am going to be able to go to. So uh Like
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yeah, I mean Jarre's questions legitimate because I definitely think there are people that
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tend to be salty because like I went to Philly and I experienced a double
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elimination and it was horrible. That doesn't make me like less happy now that
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it's better that like that that I wish it was Philly was like that too,
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Like that's part's true, but I'm still glad it's improving. I hope
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there aren't people that are like terribly salty that this happened, and there was
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a cool thing for the people over there. I just hope they continue it
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because like, like everyone that I talked to, like even me, like
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I was not there to play Alliance, however I did have a good time
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kind of playing Alliance. Yeah, so yeah, it does mean everybody now
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needs to actually bring decks for both just in case that happens again. But
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really that kind of disagree well, and that rolls us into the next topic
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that we kind of have here is we have two z's, two people with
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Z names here who both top aided in events they didn't intend to play in.
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And you're not the only ones because the guy who took second in ARCon
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I was just listening to him talk, he came for Alliance if he would
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not have played in ARCon if it was standard. Like the results from this
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event are sod yes, right, odd that's a good word, because like
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people were playing in events they weren't intending to or planning on. You know,
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I got eliminated because a bunch of people shouldn't been playing in my event
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where okay to play Yeah, that's no, I mean it was we was
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definitely like the fact that you could play in both, which, like I
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said, would have been better. Had I actually planned to playing Alliance,
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then I would have I would have got Sidney to give me a deck.
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I would not have built one. I'm not saying I would have built one,
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but if I went to a vault and the options were to play in
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both, I definitely would. Yes. So do you think strange? I
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hate Alliance? Strange weird question. She paints Alliance, but he'll play in
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it if somebody else builds his deck for him. Yes, well then he
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could just wants to right built a deck. I wanted you to have fun.
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I was already miserable in crying. So weird, weird question, strange
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question, And try to follow me on this one, because normally when I
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asked questions, everyone just looks at me and goes, M, yeah,
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you don't want Alliance to happen. Well, I'm just saying, is this
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is this Gigi's ticket? I mean, I am gonna totally agreeance with you.
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I would rather do Sealed over Alliance. You know, eight days a
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week, right, But it doesn't seem like they're giving up on the Alliance
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experience. They're not going to give up on us, so definitely not for
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the season. Is the is the drug of choice, allowing people to play
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in both. If you can play in both and given the option, I
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think you're more likely to well. I think it's actually the smartest thing they
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could do. So want people to play Alliance and right is not running it,
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you know, parallel to each other, run it one right actually concurrently
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right, is that the way to get people into Alliance and want to play,
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because, like I think I'm a really good case example in this,
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like had they always run arc on Alliance and every single event at the same
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time, Like, really good money is on me never playing Alliance a single
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time in an OPI event. However, because they were stacked at gin Con,
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I played Alliance. I actually had a good time, came up here,
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talked about that after I played again. They were stacked randomly in Seattle,
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and I did have a good time playing it, Like I didn't.
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I did not, period. So I'd just like to say that it's not
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always sunshine over in it. Okay, No, it's some asshole eliminated to
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you. That's why thank you for your donation. Some dickhead high rolling me
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with some thirty six God people buying wins. What a jerk? So hold
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on, not everybody does. People are maybe you're starting to figure out what
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happened, but I want to hear. I want to hear the words start
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to put putting it all together. Well, we need to go through ark
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On first because it kind of leads into the Alliance. So like, all
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right, all right, So so, uh, we show up a little
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bit before Sheep, Zach and me. I don't remember what time I got
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to the hotel, but it was like eleven thirty at night, all right,
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yeah, yeah, So we get there, Zack's checking us in and
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I see Jeremy he I guess he just came off the floor, like the
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hall still going, and he tells us that the news that we will then
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be playing Archid, well specifically, he specifically he mentioned it to me because
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he knows that I came to play Alliance, and he goes, oh,
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by the way, you'll be able to play ARCon and then Alliance tomorrow Zac
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because we're going to stack the events. Yes, literally the first thing we
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hear walking into the hotel. Wait, that was that the night before or
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the morning of Friday night, which they had already had told apparently the Sealers
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Friday night, yeah, because they had just come off the Florida to go
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to bed themselves and they so actually I'm curious, So like when the Sealed
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players like showed up registration opens that they were they immediately like this is the
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plan? Or was it? Like the Sealed players are coming in, They're
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like, oh, you know, what are we gonna do? Hey?
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Why don't we do that? Like? Was this how they have a kind
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of an idea of how many people? I'm assuming they have kind of an
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idea because people are buying, right, you know they I'm no, I
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don't know. Again, I don't know when it like what time, and
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like I'm sure they know how many and I know the decision was made on
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Friday. I'm sure they can kind of figure out by how many rooms were
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booked where they sit. I don't know. You have you have the registration?
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Did you have to pay extra to play in both? It was just
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had to we have to get we had to buy another digital key because you
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always have to provide event. So technically yes, for the old Guard no,
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because we have a billion shards. But if you were a newer player
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than yes, you would have had to buy more sharts for the key,
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so it costs you nothing but sharts yes oday, So honestly, I still
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I think that's a good way to use up the old guard. Right now,
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with those numbers, we have a very focus group, multiple people showing
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up at multiple Vault tours, and we have plenty of amber shards. I
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like this. I like that you can play in both. I want to
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play key for it. So my question from earlier was about, you know,
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if anyone had issues. I know some people were really jealous about not
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getting their Vault Master decks. Frankly, I thought this was a phenomenal choice,
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and many companies would not pivot on the spot. I mean, you
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have some general numbers that we were talking about of how many people are going
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to be there, but there can be some slight adjustments. And once they
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saw Friday's numbers, I like the idea to pivot and let people play in
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both events. So I give I give Gg real credit for that me too.
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I know it was being crassed and pointed a long time ago, and
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I said, like, you don't have to wait to like you can always
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stop making super decisions at any time. Like they pivoted from the double elimination
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to two LLO. It sounds like the data actually been working on the software
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for a while to do that, and then they pivoted on the spot for
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this. They will not tell us how many people they had signed up for
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Alliance. We all believe the number was probably seven or eight like numbers,
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and that is why they made the decision. And that doesn't really fire an
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event that would be giving away three grand or whatever or what with their cut
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of five. So that is ultimately why I believe they're saying they did that.
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But in the nutshell, like in the end, like it, we
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ended up with two great events back to back. I would hope to see
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that continue. That would be nice. But anyway, back to the story,
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So that's how we find out like Dan gets in super late, like
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we're we knew we were gonna be asleep when Dan gets in, so we
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talked about it for a minute and ultimately like we're Zach and I, look,
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we're just gonna open deck tomorrow and figure out I did not I did
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not bring my art conduct to play. I only brought my Alliance because it
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was just a quick too, like a one day trip, right, like
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like we just out from Minnesota. So like the only thing in my bag
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was the singular arc on that I needed to play with, Like no I
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did because I threw everything out because I would I'm the hub for these decks
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and I didn't want to be carrying on all these decks because none of them
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are getting used. Very few of us were going to be in Seattle.
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There's only four of us, and we all had our events, right,
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yeah, we're gonna play you Sheep know what We're gonna play Arkin, And
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I was gonna play Alliance. That was the play was simple. That that's
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straightforward. And we get there and there's like I don't have an Alliance,
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Like I only have my Ark on deck. Because Zach had two Alliance decks
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on him, one he was playing and one that he just carries around for
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fun. Sheep shows up only has fraud. Like the next morning, so
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the three of us like Sheep, me and Zach, I'll go into the
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hall, like we eat breakfast and we walk across this like they come back
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to the hotel like in the little lounge area Stalky gig staff because like we
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want to get into the room and buy the stuff so we can open them
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as soon as possible because we need an ark On deck and possibly an Alliance
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deck. So we're like watching them eat their breakfast, like we can see
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them. We can see because we were Mark Marcus like all of them because
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we were gonna get the three sealed the three Sealed decks WO decks piece and
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then we could purcha and then the Master ballt deck, so that's another three
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and then we could purchase up to three more Masaul decks. Yeah, so
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in total. And we get in the hall and we're like the first people
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and there's like, all right, we need to buy decks because we don't
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have X y Z to play these events. And they're like very accommodating.
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They understand. They kind of like fed that process up. So we sit
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down. We open the twelve vult Master decks. First. I go through
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mine a bunch of trash. I sect. I don't even know if I
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ever saw what Sheep opened. You said these, You said these Vault Master
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decks were not top tier competitive, that you could go ahead and win the
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Vault Tour with I believe two of them. So that is still wrong,
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Sheep, and I will argue for all those I actually just made that up
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did she really now because for kin z was when so I had no time
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to shred with me. They kept telling me I needed to play more games.
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No, but the hold on the question still remains. Did you shred
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Vault Master necks because we're gonna get a whole next level of hate mail if
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that's what it's gonna happen. If I, because I was ready and garbage,
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you would have shredded all four the ones that opened. But anyway,
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like so we go through the bob Masters's nothing, so like we have the
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nine whoa dex so we all opened them up. She Zach had one that
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seemed interest she knows, okay, Sheep opened a bunch of I think bad
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tokens. The second one I opened was like Berserker with two grindles and made
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four tokens, had membership Drive had a Martyr plus Grandmaly like had had tools.
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It was like, all right, Zach, this looks really fun.
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You love playing Berserker. I like toss it at him literally and like just
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throw it to him, like play this. And that ended up being yeah,
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so I got some sleeves, sleeved it up and ended up making I
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actually fourth. I had to play the only game that I lost day were
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the first and for the first part was the very first match. It was
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a very close match. I just had just the right answers at just the
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right time and then easily won my matches through there. Wait wait, wait,
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so you lost your first game, my very first game, so this
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was double a limb. You'd be done well. I guess you wouldn't have
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been played our cut in the first place, but our break. Yeah,
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so I was. I was the first one out. I was in ninth
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place when they made the top eight cut. But because one of the players
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decided to even though he made top eight, he wasn't going to play Sunday,
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they put me in as the eighth seat. Yeah yeah, and he
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eliminated me to make it in and then drop yeah yeah this this other player
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did yes yeah, And so then I made it through the first round of
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top eight and I played against the runner up and he just obliterated me.
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And then you know, I had to play for third fourth for the World's
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Invite and table because Novode was top table YEP against DKD, JKD and JDG.
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Thank you and yeah, like I'm looking at the two decks right now,
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the one that he played the one that I played, and they are
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very similar. And again like as soon as I started getting a big board,
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Z had just the right answer at just the right time on both games
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and just smashed me. Like but I will say having double Grondel with the
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Berserker token, holy smokes, like that was a lot of fun board clear
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City and then two rebels with Memorrocks the red like it was a really good
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Mars House. I really enjoyed it. So it was a fun deck.
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I was very shocked that I made fourth places, which say freshly open deck,
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because I don't play that well with a with a bright new deck.
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I need a number of reps on it to see. And it just kind
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of played itself, and I had a lot of fun with it. So
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what I'm hearing is the vault Master decks, nine of them. There wasn't
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a deck that looked open, twelve of them, and none of them looked
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viable. But whoa, you had twelve woe decks, nine, nine,
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nine, oh you even had less so nine wote x and one of those
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was more viable and in fact made it today. Two and the top eight
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and then four. I mean, I mean you could put a little bit
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of you know, on the player itself, but you know it was the
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deck drop. What he's saying is put some respect on that name. Well,
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there there is quite a bit. You're bad at playing fresh decks.
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I'm getting better. Can see be the Nobile one who took first over at
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Minnesota. So you are a very good player, Sarah, and we can
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see that. Appreciate that. Thank you, He's I. I would have
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gone better. I would have done better an Alliance except for that I got
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matched up top eight first round against Aviator and it was it was over.
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So he lighted heart first hern and that was it. No, as part
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of his story mentioned like he I was his top four match, this second
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top four match to play for third spot. So I did actually end up
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earning a World's invite. So guys, I'm going to World's for ARCN.
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Ironically, though, a couple of hours before that match, I earned an
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Alliance World's invite. I'm a little bit less sled to have. Are you
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gonna Are you gonna go play Alliance? There are lots of people who would
27:45
love to have a World's invite, ze we definitely do not be that American.
27:51
So what you aren't telling me is you screwed somebody over out of their
27:53
world. But I didn't know that because that's the order. Like I won
27:56
that second, Like I said it before, like I want to go to
28:00
a World's period. If it ends up having to be Alliance, fine,
28:03
But like when I won the Alliance World's invite, I did not have the
28:07
arc on one yet to be fair. To be fair, you were playing
28:14
with an ARCon deck in Alliance. Yeah, they should have just given me
28:18
too, like the Alliance builds out there that they should have been able to
28:23
beat your deck. So the fact that it didn't. Wait, what are
28:30
you saying about my opponent's eck? Oh I'm not I'm only questioning Sheep and
28:38
x Ray. Dude. You guys took it in ARCon and you couldn't make
28:42
it's a World's but Z took it in Alliance and was able to make it.
28:48
What's happening cheap? Well? I think this brings us to our next
28:52
segment. We're bringing an oldie back, an oldie, but a favorite.
28:56
Why I suck a Q forges back? Everybody? Let me get that popcorn
29:00
first? Ye Sheep? Why do you suck a key forge? I don't
29:06
know. That's that's where I'm here to find out. Like I got our
29:08
list up. I did not play into TMTP. Okay, okay, that
29:14
did not happen, check all right, not that Okay, Hey did bring
29:21
artifact control? Okay, yep, So it wasn't that. Okay, what's
29:29
the guy that says I don't bring creature control? That maybe a little true
29:34
with fraud yep. And there was a lot of woe that you saw in
29:42
in our cond yes, six of the top eight or woe. We didn't
29:47
talk about that. We haven't got the data artible yet. Well, I
29:51
mean yeah, so, uh, I didn't have creature control. And definitely
29:57
my final game against Sad Crybear, I could not deal with his board.
30:03
But I don't even know if i'd brought creature control what it mattered. Could
30:06
He played a lot of unfathomable creatures and then came back the next turn and
30:11
befuddled me. And yeah, so it was just making a ton of just
30:21
they just did a ton of work and I couldn't do anything about it.
30:25
I tease you earlier, Dan, you are a phenomenal player. You know
30:30
that quick browns no, no, no, no no, But you need
30:33
to be able to see. This is where Keithforge has these matchups. What
30:37
was definitely very viable. The point of this conversation it's to make fun of
30:42
me. Yeah, well no, why. It was way way too dry
30:48
there, and I was waiting for the face punch to be coming and our
30:51
arbitrators not on. So I guess I'm good. I should just back away
30:53
slowly, just start punching. Yeah. So the next one is I believe
30:57
this deck is good. I mean Z topped Alliance with it, so I
31:02
know this deck is good. I don't need my opposing class. That's that's
31:07
a Wookie problem, not a me problem. Wait, what's the problem me
31:11
problem? I don't believe. Yeah, I mean, now that we're back
31:17
into real key forage, I might start being I might have looked at a
31:19
few decklists. I concede too early. That was really close against Joker.
31:26
I was playing Joker on as brand new one oh five explosion deck and there's
31:30
like turned two any Lands, two Fathom Reapers against Fraud and I'm just like,
31:37
oh boy, uh. It was quite the fight. But he indeed
31:41
played hard into I g and let me back in the game. So that
31:48
happened for me. But I did not concede to early. I did fight
31:51
back and win that game. I played cards in the wrong order, didn't
31:55
make any mistakes that I can. I don't change my game plan ever,
32:05
this is probably true. It's all about living that mars. I'm gonna do
32:15
this thing. It's not gonna worry. I'm still gonna do it. Yeah,
32:17
And I overdrive cards too often, overdraw cards too often. I don't
32:22
have that problem either. So, like I was a long time ago,
32:27
I did not suck on this list outside of Creature Control. But I don't.
32:34
That's where I lost. So why am I sucking at key Forge?
32:37
Because I am now? I was given a two time Majors winning deck.
32:43
I go two and two with it. I'm playing Fraud, which is a
32:47
double Vault Tour winning deck, and I now went well. I went three
32:51
and two on it. And then I don't know that a line's deck.
32:54
You guys, I think you gave me the Trap deck. I was going
33:00
to play it. We switched moments before. To be fair, I played
33:05
that at gen Con and did well with it. It just it either fires
33:08
really good or it doesn't. Like it was, it was a week in
33:13
the making. Deck so I don't think the question is where is sheep going
33:19
wrong? I think the question is has woe was surpassed all other sets?
33:23
My two losses were too woe. It was to a guy who went four
33:29
oh with a diplomat deck, and I lost that game by one amber.
33:37
I would not say. I felt like I had a tremendous fraudulent game there,
33:40
and he had a perfectly timed big board mass buyout to just ping one
33:45
more amber than I could deal with. Otherwise, I think that game was
33:50
mine at that point, but who knows for sure? And then yeah,
33:54
and then then what said Kraybird did to me makes me sad. But I
34:00
have been practicing woe and bear. Yes I've been. Yes, I've been
34:06
crying in the bear fur over there. It's terrible. I've been. I've
34:12
been practicing fraud online here and all you play against anymore is whoe and I'm
34:15
still winning like eight percent. Well, maybe TCO is a crapshoot. No,
34:22
I'm playing it. Who Okay, That's all my thought was, as
34:27
TCO is kind. Sometimes you get the you get the monsters, sometimes you
34:32
don't. Eighty percent is a little good number. Yeah, I don't think
34:40
woe has surpassed like fraud. I don't think wos surpassed like think jacket or
34:46
jack or the better end of the decks. What I think woe has done.
34:52
If you're gonna show up offset and not have a banger, you're just
34:55
gonna lose like this, what is That's what's gonna happen. Almost all WOW
35:01
decks a fielded in archon can high roll to some extent or like hit a
35:06
big string of a big line of cards, and unless you are rocking something
35:12
that is very very strong, they're going to it's going to happen, and
35:15
then you're so I don't think it will has retired like some of the best
35:21
decks in the world. It is basically retired B plus decks in all other
35:25
sects. Well, I guess the only question being. I mean, this
35:30
is Nova's at least second win. It is her second attempt and second win.
35:37
But she did lose a game in the Swiss well whatever in the in
35:45
on day one. She has lost a game in both events. I mean,
35:50
so it is funny. These are four winners. These are the exact
35:54
same results as Jenka, right, yes, same players, exact same decks,
36:00
right YEA So that is my question, is this, I mean,
36:05
do we let well play out or is it time to maybe go, hey,
36:10
maybe it's time to do something about older decks that are you know,
36:15
remember what we talked about, that's what that's what was doing on this last
36:22
event, were WHOA, like what is good enough? There were several pairings.
36:29
Had they peered into her, she loses, but she knows that she
36:35
increased with me, Like it's like the my deck that I was on does
36:39
have a real shot to beat it. I just threw really really cold,
36:44
like the drawer I had against her was the worst of all I had in
36:46
the old damn event, and she just murdered me. Like it was done
36:50
so like there's no like that one was nowhere closed, but like there are
36:53
definitely lines had they arrived, I win that game, and then I'm sitting
36:59
at the top table and then it's WHOA versus the Stone deck and then I
37:02
automatically lose to that stone deck because there's no way I was gonna beat that
37:06
deck. So yeah, I'm glad you brought that up. Let's talk about
37:12
Chantra the probably complex. So this is JDG three fourteen. It's an MM
37:17
exile Stone deck talk a little bit more like you're miss saying. You say
37:22
Exile Stone, but it's other really fantasy after Animator, I guess that's got
37:29
a lot of cool tricks, like like he was JDG was playing. The
37:34
type of deck was the entire reason why I played pink Jacket so much.
37:37
Pink Jacket annihilates that shit. Like if you want to come with a bunch
37:42
of fancy artifacts and that's your wind con, pink Jacket will wipe you off
37:45
the face of the crucible, which is why I was playing pink decket for
37:50
so long. But Whoe is super susceptible for stuff exactly like that. I
37:57
thought it was a great choice to go against what you're seeing for the meta
38:00
right now of Woe. So yeah, because I think a Woe deck would
38:05
have to come in with two auction offs and hope they don't get tokenized to
38:09
have a shot to beat that. And because like you've got Stone, you've
38:14
got Amphori, you've got Animator, you've got Exile, like you are going
38:17
to have such a huge amber swing. And then didn't like in most of
38:22
the token c creation cards are are on a stick, they're on a creature,
38:27
so like Stone turns that off. And when we talk about Stone,
38:30
we talked about Quixilestone. Walk about I don't know if you want to do
38:32
your thing, all right, so we're talking about Quixelstone. Quixelestone is a
38:37
Star Alliance artifact with an amber pip item. If a player controls more creatures
38:42
than their opponent, they cannot play creatures, which effectively shuts down most Woe
38:49
decks, like what they're doing, like you're most of the time you're building
38:52
a massive bunch of tokens. What it Stone won't stop them from making tokens,
38:57
But the thing is it stops creatures from me and played, so like
39:00
you can't play your vap minor to make toe because like all of that stuff
39:02
like just goes away. Like the deck I was on and Ooze, the
39:07
deck Zach was on and Pronto literally auto loses to this deck because neither of
39:12
us had an artifact control at all and the deck moved fast, so it
39:16
was going to get Stone really fast. So Nova even dropped I think game
39:23
two, yes in in the match, so she went to one against it
39:30
because it is a fantastic de Yeah, when they say the first game was
39:34
like an hour and five minutes, the second game was like twelve or seventeen,
39:37
and the third game was an hour and fifteen minutes. Yeah, because
39:44
especially now, like when you're talking about like game like decks being retired,
39:47
like Jack lost two games in that event, Ooze also only lost two games
39:53
in that event. So it's not like we're saying, like, even though
39:58
it did end up winning the events for the second time, you're talking about
40:02
decks that are almost equal in value, and one is low, one is
40:07
not. One is World's clients. I do think that both the combination of
40:13
quick soil plus the double btqs are bouncing death quirks in the logo suite is
40:17
actually a really important choice. Double opposition research was coming up, so enemy
40:23
creatures cannot reap during their opponent's next turn. This has a lot of the
40:29
tools that frankly causes real issues for woe playing your creatures being able to go
40:36
ahead and get rid of them. Please please please know that if you are
40:40
playing against Quicksil, if you token creatures are put into play, so it
40:45
does get around Quicksil. But as he said earlier, cards like that minder
40:51
or when you're trying to play a creature to create a token, those cannot
40:54
be played, yeah, which effectively most of your deck's trying to get So
41:04
no bo kyah. I do not think we should like legend out of specific
41:07
decks. And I was asking, I think it is a value you can
41:09
track a deck open and make top eight, So why rotate exactly? Well,
41:15
rotation is an entirely separate thing. I think the fact that we're seeing
41:17
six out of eight parwo and top eight entirely obliterates the set. Rotation will
41:23
already rotated the set. Basically, there's such a small percentage of viable old
41:31
set stuff compared to Wow, it's it's gone, Like a lot of those
41:36
sets are dead effectively, just asking again, I think it's a valid question,
41:40
right, and I think I think there are more people out there asking
41:43
the question than what you think honestly, So all right, there's definitely have
41:50
been talking about like winners getting retired for the season kind of stuff is reason.
41:55
I mean, we do that at our local store, Like I don't
41:58
think it should be retired like legend out like some games do, but like
42:01
my store, every year, like we consider a year a season. Anyone
42:07
any deck did us won an ARC on events at my local cannot play until
42:12
the next year. So like we have a list of like seven decks right
42:15
now that cannot be used to get an ark on until twenty twenty four.
42:21
Would that be frustrating? I guess for the people that own it if they
42:25
won an events, I don't know, probably, but hey, you got
42:29
three thousand dollars, go smile, I would be I would regrant. Just
42:34
go smile. Yeah, just go be happy with yourself. Go go break
42:37
it apart, play it an alliance, Like I could see that being okay,
42:45
Like if it won a game for a season, then it is shelved
42:47
into worlds. I can see that being a thing, especially once we get
42:52
to the clone process, because like, once people can clone stuff, like
42:55
you could literally see the same damn decks at every Nationals or every vault,
43:01
no matter where it's at in the world. Like it's easy to just make
43:06
a bunch of copies for all your friends that are in multiple locations. So
43:09
I think once the cloning thing occurs, I think that will become a much
43:13
more valid conversation. But I just again, I thought it was a conversation
43:20
maybe worth having, And again maybe maybe it's a wait and see, right,
43:24
and I and even the jock thing, like that's more of a nova
43:28
thing than a jock thing. Obviously, she we saw that with sheep.
43:32
All right, anything else we need to go over from Seattle? I lost
43:38
a foul. I have a question, go ahead, Should we be worried
43:47
about the turnout? I really don't think, Saul, now, I think
43:54
you gotta watch Dallas. If Dallas has a fifty five player turnout, I
44:00
think you have something to worry about. If Dallas is under seventy five,
44:06
I would be concerned. But like with all the circumstances we already talked about,
44:10
I don't think anyone was surprised really the Seattle was small now, but
44:17
again you literally you had gen Con week off and then Minnesota, Minnesota,
44:23
and then Yeah, I mean that's a lot of money to spend all boom
44:27
boom boom boom boom, you know what I mean. I think that's just
44:30
for a lot of people, that's might be a bridge too far. Well,
44:35
but it also says something about our game that major metropolitans, and Seattle
44:42
is a major metropolitan, can only pull forty seven for a vault where that's
44:46
like what you want to see Primes at Yeah, I mean, I'm not
44:51
going to disagree. Would still be bigger than any prime, though, Yeah,
44:54
I think a lot of them now there was I think there's at least
44:57
one prime bigger than that. I think, so I think consistently majority of
45:04
the primes are sitting in that twenty to thirty threshold. What it What it
45:07
tells me though, and for the GG staff, is it's extremely important for
45:14
twenty twenty five that we work on securing venues and have the events spread out
45:20
and clearly announced early. So I did you skip twenty twenty four twenty twenty
45:24
four? Sorry? Killing that is the only reason is is because I've been
45:34
working on my schedule as a teacher, which is twenty twenty three twenty twenty
45:37
four. So I just went up. That's that's a whole glitch. I
45:39
apologize, But no, for next year, what's going to be really really
45:43
important is having those dates early, keeping them, making sure that there's no
45:46
other major events that are happening at that time. I think that key locations
45:52
around some of the metropolitan areas that you're talking about that have key forge scenes
45:58
or checking into it is good. We I've heard that the information that was
46:06
used from game Found. I like game Found campaign was used, but that
46:09
was used to help determine location. Whether that's true or not. I think
46:15
that picking where these vaults are going to be held as important. I think
46:20
spreading them out in timing and then clearly, clearly stating ahead of time,
46:24
here's the vaults, here's the spread out that will help to increase our numbers.
46:30
And then it's going to come down to how can we go ahead and
46:31
market and get it out to local game stores, to the community, how
46:35
can we get new players in? And I don't have answers there, but
46:37
that's what we got to keep working on, all right. What about attendance
46:47
related to Alliance? How many people had signed up for Alliance? That's what
46:55
I was saying, Like they wouldn't tell us like exactly or like specifically,
47:00
they would not state it. I think they were hedging away from doing that.
47:04
But based on the decision, Yeah, based on the decision, I
47:07
think the number had to be under tended. I think based on like,
47:12
well, we knew about what was going on in Minnesota, because we knew
47:15
there were ten and then we there were eight that crossed over, ultimately two
47:20
on Friday, and then six more on the day of registration, Like,
47:23
we know these people, like they moved and they were concerned about it firing
47:30
for them to make the decision that they made to go ahead and stagger it
47:34
because of the attendance, I'm feeling they had to just be seven or eight.
47:39
Now. I hope they continue to stagger them. So, like,
47:43
maybe we could just fix this ship and have everyone signed up for ark On
47:47
and then they staggered it. So if you want to play ark On,
47:52
analyze everyone just signed a frond why they do are kind and then sealed.
48:00
Yeah I could, Well, we know that's not gonna happen. I'm sorry,
48:06
I know, I know next next season. Yeah, we could all
48:09
just sign up for ARCon and then end up playing both. I'm sure it'll
48:15
be work out. Fun And by the way, I love you, Josh
48:17
h It's it's fun. Oh yeah. Shout out to one of the g
48:25
g em flute. I disagree. I think you should continue to hold the
48:30
liance. Thank you. I love you. No, no, no,
48:31
you're missing the point. No no no no, I heard you said.
48:36
I heard what you said. Emailed them right now, say you actually want
48:38
to switch to ARCon invited this guy on because then I'm gonna gett playing.
48:44
I'm gonna get stuck playing ARCon with a subpard deck and I'm not gonna have
48:46
any fun. Like that's what's gonna happen. No, you're gonna get to
48:49
play both, that is your hope. Yes, yeah, all right.
48:59
Should we go in to our segment of ranking, ranking our our GG people.
49:05
We want to save that for another day. What I just I'm just
49:09
telling you the movements on the list. All right. Alex has gone up.
49:15
He's near the top now because he chose to come and celebrate his birthday
49:20
with us in Seattle. Janet is still number one. We did get chocolate
49:27
cake at Seattle. Yeah, we're getting there. So so Alex goes way
49:31
up the list. He is the like distribution and sales manager, so that's
49:37
what he does. I came there and he sold us stacks on his birthday.
49:40
That's very nice of them. And then Jeremy, who may have been
49:44
on ranked, has definitely jumped onto the list because he brought cake. He
49:49
brought birthday. Well, because what came the college football games. I didn't
49:59
make this list. I have no idea what you should like. You can't
50:00
say I made the list. I make no list, but I'm sad to
50:05
say Josh has been sent back to the Triple A League. No, there
50:09
are separate Josh's off the list. He made me play Alliance and he has
50:16
Josh's number two below Janet on my list. Now I had to play Alliance
50:22
because of him. He will he will definitely cover. Yeah, had to
50:29
play. Oh yeah, we learned. We learned this at the vault.
50:37
I don't remember who was around, did y'all know, audience, jear me
50:42
was a news reporter. If you searve Cherry Colver, you could actually find
50:45
him reporting the news. Yeah, with Doci. He looks about five.
50:55
He looks about five, So it was like five years ago. Baby,
51:04
just a little bit. It's not asked his name. I actually I want
51:08
to see this because he I mean, he dead. Telly. I remember
51:10
chatting with him and he mentioned this to me and I it did not occur
51:14
to me at the time that it would be to find it interesting. I
51:20
think I found it. He told us that's it. He told us to
51:22
look it up. He said that I don't believe I'm playing this right now.
51:29
Isn't it mind blowing? That's crazy, super clean shaven. Yeah.
51:34
Yeah, he also runs a podcast. Guys completely derailed all of us.
51:38
But why black Friday reporting? This is hot, it's hot news. Thousands
51:45
waiting to get in those do words. Yeah, he was a news He
51:49
was a news anchor reporter for Unalaska, Wisconsin, Unalaska, Wisconsin. He
51:55
had to uh he said that he had to actually keep clean shaven because according
52:00
to research that people who are clean shaving were more trustworthy on the news.
52:06
Yeah, and that that go ahead? What that was? It was bad
52:15
job keep I was gonna say the podcast that he runs or head run,
52:21
he's been very busy with gig was one more game, so one more game
52:25
game. But I mean, when you look at Josh's uh here it says
52:30
heat podcasts too. I haven't gone looking for his podcast, but I guarantee
52:35
you it's about a game called net Runner. I think that we have.
52:40
I don't know. I guess for me, I know it's not it's not
52:44
important for a lot of people. But I do appreciate the conversations that I've
52:49
had from Josh, from Jeremy, from Michael Early, like, from even
52:52
from Keith and Luke Like it's those conversations make me feel included and that they're
53:00
just regular everyday people. You know, they're doing their best stage jobs,
53:04
correct. So I really appreciate that. I know you see this list here.
53:08
This was not me, so I'll say that, but you guys,
53:13
it's just it's good to see that they're trying to do their best with our
53:16
game, keeping it alive and continuing to improve. I mean, if they
53:22
didn't care at all, we would not have seen double elimination go away,
53:24
and we would not have seen them pivot to double events this weekend. And
53:29
like hell, there are some companies that literally would have just canceled Alliance.
53:31
It said, you're screwed, so what? And they didn't do that,
53:36
so they pivoted. I had believe everyone I talked to except for Sheep,
53:39
had a great time at the event. I had a great time. Okay,
53:44
is that except for that Alliance stuff. It was a great time watching
53:49
you pilot fraud near the top of Alliance. That was a great time.
53:52
If I could have just got pasted Joe, I think I had a chance
53:55
to actually like win at least one game at top table. If you're from
54:00
ze first, not canceling Alliance, what's a good decision? Yeah, I've
54:05
never been nearly as against it as some of my teammates. He's talking about
54:08
Sheep. Sheep is who he's talking about. He's not the only one.
54:13
I think, Drazz, like Drafts, hates Lions because he loves Sealed so
54:15
much, like he knows where that piece of the pie came from. To
54:21
be fair, I think a majority of people, and by a majority,
54:24
I think like ninety percent of the people out there would much rather see Sealed
54:30
come back as opposed to Alliance pushing forward. I don't think that's a crazy
54:35
thing to say by any means. Well, I mean, like Sealed is
54:38
by far the most popular form of this game. Like we still play Sealed
54:43
in ABR as one of our weeks, and in the playoffs of ABR it's
54:47
still everywhere. Are our event we're running through, like the ass of it
54:52
is a Sealed event, Like it is definitely one of the more popular ways
54:55
to play this game. I don't know this event that you speak of,
55:00
but I will tell you you're sponsoring it. I will tell you that our
55:04
local we had seven come out this past week, with one who is over
55:07
in South Korea, so the number keeps increasing. But with the seven who
55:12
showed up. We were trying to be able to figure out what can we
55:15
run and we had looked at we were going to do Sealed and then Archons
55:22
Sealed and then put them together for Alliance. And after discussion, what was
55:25
the decision? Boys, it came back, let's just do Sealed. Like
55:30
it's a great way to bring people in. It's a leveling field. We
55:32
get to play WHOA right now and crack more WOA decks. But that was
55:37
unanimous with everyone who is there. Let's just play Sealed. Let's play more
55:40
Sealed. My store is the same way I asked them, Like maybe we
55:44
want to do them most next week. Everyone like, let's open more Wold,
55:46
play more Sealed because it's two fold like Sealed is a fun way to
55:51
play the game, and Woe was great and fun to play. So like
55:54
it's just win win and Gigi would make more money, Like come on,
56:04
maybe they don't need any more money. Who knows, I think they do.
56:08
They're all do that on the money side. I don't think they made
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money in Seattle, so you know, definitely not. We we some more
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employee, like at least got to be somewhere in the ranking up the list.
56:23
Let's be fair. Yeah, he's he's up CTP. Wait where where's
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CTP on your Why? Why do we have like what where did this list
56:36
come from? Like I don't remember. We've been talking about it randomly.
56:39
He said we should rank their employees' been joking around. They were, they
56:45
were very interested to know who Janet is. I told him, if they
56:47
don't know who Janet is, it tells him how low they ranked in the
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company. You don't have the clearance to know who Janet. You don't have
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the clearance. That's fantastic. I'm really I'm really curious to see the article
57:02
on keyforging dot com for next week where it's gonna rank all of us AC
57:06
members. So it's gonna be great. No, they're gonna rank all the
57:09
podcasts and forget to put us on it. That's what they will do.
57:14
Probably I would say that that's probably right. Couple of times. Yeah,
57:22
there's some more. I want to know who Jason willin Scott Are. They
57:25
are on the two LLO document and I've never heard their names been sent anywhere
57:30
else. I think I don't know. Maybe is that Artiforge that's their entire
57:36
like art Forge crew or something. That could be, or maybe the Game
57:39
Center. We know their names too, and I don't think it's those,
57:46
but maybe I'm not sure either, but I think that's gonna do it for
57:53
us. This week we've had a few longer episodes and then now a few
57:58
shorter ones. So well, now a shorter one. So we've got three
58:02
weeks till our next. Of all, we have time to breathe. We
58:05
have time to breathe this time around, so you have time to sign up
58:08
for and play ass Alliance. Yeah, talk about books at home? What
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ass alliances that's for? Z It is Anti Survival Sealed Alliance a KA ASS
58:25
Alliance, that is what it stands for. Sheep as all the details on
58:30
what day in time it is. I think I have to work that day.
58:34
It is September ninth. We're gonna start at one pm decks this this
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weekend. For people who I have already signed up, I will be opening
58:44
decks on camera this weekend so I can send them their decks so people can
58:49
start planning out their alliance builds for next week. You sign up a little
58:52
bit later, I'll open decks the same day you buy them from me,
58:55
so that way you can have them and then everything gets shipped afterward. There's
58:59
all kind of prizes from old op stuff to full boxes of mass mutations,
59:06
so there's all kinds of good stuff to be had. Definitely worth doing.
59:09
Mm hmm everybody. For those who don't know the format of Anti's Survival sealed,
59:16
that is, you make an alignce deck and if you win a match,
59:21
one of your pods gets retired from the winning right. Yes, he
59:28
said that, go clear. I am unfortunately interesting to see like the finals,
59:35
like what the top table actually looks like. Hm. I guess we'll
59:43
have to wait and see. But with that, I think I think Ze
59:45
will make the top table fraud somehow. I think that's gonna happen. And
59:51
in case you are not interested actually playing, ass alliance with us because you
59:55
don't like fun, because you don't like fun, I love playing. Do
1:00:01
have extra prerelease kits available if you just want a prelease kit ship to you
1:00:06
so you can have the cool box that came with and the Sweet Train tracker
1:00:09
and some more decks. They're forty bucks plus shipping, which should be five
1:00:15
bucks or something on those. I guess I haven't actually waited him maybe six
1:00:19
hit me up and get yourself a prerelease kit. I mean, I think
1:00:23
Anti Sealed Survival is a pretty fun format. GG should run it. It's
1:00:29
their next fault. More fun would be good. That's a two drinks you
1:00:37
have to finish you walk right. That's two times what he tried to end
1:00:39
the cast. Yes, finish him now for anyone playing along with our sweet
1:00:45
bingo game or drinking with us anytime Lookie tries to end the cast and another
1:00:52
cast member just continues to talk. This is the third time. You are
1:00:55
now going ahead and enjoying a levery. You got to swim now? Yeah?
1:01:00
Are you drinking for yourself here? I don't know. I think he
1:01:07
is. Rod's given me the business right now. But we got to give
1:01:14
a big thank you to the noble one Anton Xander for joining us this week.
1:01:17
Thank you guys so much for coming od We appreciate it. Thanks gentlemen,
1:01:23
and that's gonna do it for us, So join us next week.
1:01:27
Where we ranked the gig cast, we just did that. No, we
1:01:31
gotta get a ranking. This was pretty no garbage. No no, no,
1:01:35
no, they don't get ranking. We just tell them when they move
1:01:37
up and down and let them try to figure it. Out. Well,
1:01:40
you say that I don't mean any of this ranking. That's not ranking exactly,
1:01:46
or if you agree with it, I just have to go with it.
1:01:51
Yeah, I mean that is what this cast is all about. I
1:01:53
will say that if you haven't seen the sweet video that Keith has put up,
1:01:58
did a wonderful, wonderful job and I mean sky jetted Luke. You
1:02:01
guys always have to have some love there. And Francisco frankly for saving our
1:02:07
code. That's there. The correct word is chill bergency. Contact your er.
1:02:20
Okay, you're my ASL