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Trump Holds VP Auditions · Pod Save America

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Pod Save America. I'm Jon Favreau.
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  Speaker 2: I'm Jon Lovett.
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  Speaker 3: I'm Tommy Vitor.
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  Speaker 1: On today's show, the prosecution's witnesses in the Manhattan trial,
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  Speaker 1: including Hope Hicks, deliver damning new testimony against Donald Trump.
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  Speaker 1: We're also going to talk about Trump's donor retreat at Mar-a-Lago,
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  Speaker 1: where he compared the Biden administration to Nazis, offered attendees
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  Speaker 1: a turn at the mic if they donated a million dollars,
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  Speaker 1: and held live auditions for his running mate, including Every
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  Speaker 1: Puppy's Worst Nightmare, Kristi Noem. Then later, Vote Save America's
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  Speaker 1: fearless leader, Shaniqua McClendon, will be here to talk about
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  Speaker 1: the big launch of Organize or Else, which is the
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  Speaker 1: easiest and most effective way to get involved in this election.
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  Speaker 1: But first, some big developments in Gaza over the last
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  Speaker 1: several days. Hamas said they agreed to a ceasefire deal
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  Speaker 1: drawn up by Qatar in Egypt. It's unclear what the
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  Speaker 1: terms of the deal were, but the Israeli government rejected
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  Speaker 1: it and then announced that they were striking Hamas targets
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  Speaker 1: in eastern Rafah, where they've also begun evacuating more than 100,000
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  Speaker 1: Palestinians in preparation for an invasion. They also said they'll
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  Speaker 1: send a delegation to keep negotiating a deal. The sticking
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  Speaker 1: point seems to be the length of the ceasefire. Hamas
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  Speaker 1: wants it to be permanent. Israel does not. Biden spoke
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  Speaker 1: to Netanyahu just before all this happened and warned him
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  Speaker 1: against invading Rafah. And then a U.S. official told Reuters
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  Speaker 1: that Washington is committed to stopping the invasion and that
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  Speaker 1: Netanyahu has not approached these negotiations with Hamas in good faith. Obviously,
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  Speaker 1: a lot we still don't know. But, Tommy, what's the
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  Speaker 1: reason Bibi doesn't seem to want a permanent ceasefire if
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  Speaker 1: it would mean getting the hostages back.
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  Speaker 4: Because getting the hostages back is a priority, but not
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  Speaker 4: the sole priority or probably even his first priority. I mean,
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  Speaker 4: he said repeatedly that he believes that they need to
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  Speaker 4: destroy Hamas and that he thinks that requires a ground
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  Speaker 4: invasion into Rafah because that's where the remaining battalions of
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  Speaker 4: Hamas fighters are and where the Hamas leadership is. The
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  Speaker 4: more cynical... or read on this is that Netanyahu is
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  Speaker 4: facing some political pressure from the families of hostages, but
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  Speaker 4: he faces even more existential pressure from the right-wingers in
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  Speaker 4: his cabinet who want a Rafah invasion. For example, Itamar Ben-Gadvir,
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  Speaker 4: the national security minister, said, we did not attack Gaza
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  Speaker 4: and we got October 7th. We didn't attack Rafah and
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  Speaker 4: we got a persistent attack. Netanyahu, go to Rafah now.
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  Speaker 4: So this is a guy who could pull his coalition
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  Speaker 4: support and topple the government, which makes it out of power.
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  Speaker 4: So there's a lot of people that think Bibi is
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  Speaker 4: perpetuating the war because it will help him stay in
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  Speaker 4: power for as long as possible. And maybe he can
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  Speaker 4: use that power to evade some corruption charges down the road.
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  Speaker 4: But that's the kind of more cynical read.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, it sure seems like he's putting his own
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  Speaker 1: political future and his job, maybe his own freedom, I guess,
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  Speaker 1: ahead of the lives of hostages at this point. I
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  Speaker 1: saw someone say, well, you know, if you do that
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  Speaker 1: deal and then you promise to end the war, it
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  Speaker 1: rewards Hamas for taking hostages. But, like, I don't know
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  Speaker 1: what kind of reward that is after this war already
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  Speaker 1: has taken so many lives and also, like, destroyed a
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  Speaker 1: lot of Hamas.
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  Speaker 2: And then, I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: I think that, like, you have a chance, you have
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  Speaker 1: a deal to get the hostages back. I don't understand
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  Speaker 1: why you wouldn't take it. It's, like, pressure from the families,
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  Speaker 1: also pressure from, like, thousands of Israelis protesting now. Tommy,
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  Speaker 1: what do you think Biden should do if this deal
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  Speaker 1: falls apart and Israel invades, I mean, they've already started
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  Speaker 1: to strike.
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  Speaker 4: But I mean, I look, it hasn't started yet. I
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  Speaker 4: think it's, they've been hitting Rafa targets for a very
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  Speaker 4: long time and they've told people to evacuate, but there's
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  Speaker 4: no way they're not evacuating people.
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  Speaker 3: You know, you're just told to like go somewhere else.
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  Speaker 2: Essentially.
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  Speaker 4: I think it's absolutely critical that they use every bit
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  Speaker 4: of leverage they have now to get a ceasefire and
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  Speaker 4: prevent this large ground invasion into Rafa. Again, the statistics
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  Speaker 4: are 34,000 people are already dead, including an estimated 13,000 children.
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  Speaker 4: And now the World Food Program says there is a
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  Speaker 4: full-blown famine happening in northern Gaza. One aid crossing in
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  Speaker 4: northern Gaza is closed now because Hamas shelled an area
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  Speaker 4: near it over the weekend. The other main aid crossing
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  Speaker 4: is Rafah. So you have to assume that would get
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  Speaker 4: shut down during a Rafah invasion. So the question is,
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  Speaker 4: where are people going to get food from? There are
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  Speaker 4: people who have now been asked to evacuate five, six,
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  Speaker 4: seven times with their families. They don't have clean water.
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  Speaker 4: They don't have sanitation. They can barely find food now,
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  Speaker 4: let alone fuel to evacuate or go somewhere. So you'll
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  Speaker 4: have people who I talked to someone who leads an
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  Speaker 4: aid organization today, this morning, and she said, some people
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  Speaker 4: are just saying, no, I'm not going to evacuate this time.
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  Speaker 4: You told me to evacuate so many times and I'm
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  Speaker 4: just not going to do it. So these people are
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  Speaker 4: going to be in the line of fire. So I
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  Speaker 4: just think that at this point, you cannot justify expanding
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  Speaker 4: this war. It is a moral and strategic and humanitarian disaster.
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  Speaker 4: Thousands more kids will die. And so even from the
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  Speaker 4: Israeli standpoint, I think a Rafah invasion is more likely
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  Speaker 4: to kill the hostages than rescue them. I think it
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  Speaker 4: will lead to Israel being more isolated. And I also
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  Speaker 4: think that this military effort is based on a false
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  Speaker 4: promise from Netanyahu that you can eradicate Hamas entirely through
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  Speaker 4: a military means. I don't think that's true. Even the
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  Speaker 4: Israeli military says that Hamas will exist after the war
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  Speaker 4: as a guerrilla group as an extremist group, they're an idea,
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  Speaker 4: they're a resistance occupation. And so we've learned in Iraq, Vietnam, Afghanistan,
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  Speaker 4: that you can't find a military solution to a political
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  Speaker 4: problem and there will have to be some sort of
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  Speaker 4: political talks or accommodation that gets to a two-state solution.
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  Speaker 4: And so my priority, if I were sitting in the
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  Speaker 4: White House, would be to do everything humanly possible to
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  Speaker 4: get a ceasefire immediately and then flood aid into Gaza
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  Speaker 4: and then figure out the rest later.
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  Speaker 1: I also understand... the Israelis want to root out Hamas's
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  Speaker 1: leadership and defend themselves from another October 7th style attack.
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  Speaker 1: But it does seem like you could do both of
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  Speaker 1: those things, or at least you have the chance to
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  Speaker 1: do both of those things, particularly defend yourself, without doing
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  Speaker 1: a full ground invasion of Rafah, right? Couldn't you just
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  Speaker 1: have a ceasefire and then there's targeted operations down the
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  Speaker 1: road and all that kind of stuff?
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  Speaker 3: Yes and no.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, listen, I think a couple of things. One,
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  Speaker 4: you just have to imagine... To put yourself in the
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  Speaker 4: Israeli mindset, I do think you have to try to
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  Speaker 4: imagine how we all felt six months after 9-11. And
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  Speaker 4: there's a piece of this where they want, you want
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  Speaker 4: to take out Al-Qaeda or you want to take out Hamas.
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  Speaker 4: There's also just, I think, a desire for vengeance. And
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  Speaker 4: we should just be honest about that. There is also
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  Speaker 4: this tunnel infrastructure where they think, yeah, yeah, Sinwar is
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  Speaker 4: hiding another, the other leadership of Hamas. They believe that
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  Speaker 4: Sinwar is surrounded by 15 or so hostages to protect
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  Speaker 4: himself from some sort of, you know, military operation or,
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  Speaker 4: or airstrike.
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  Speaker 3: And so it's very complicated. Like, I'm not saying any
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  Speaker 3: of this is easy.
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  Speaker 4: But I do think six months, seven months into this war,
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  Speaker 4: like we've seen the death toll. We've seen how badly
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  Speaker 4: it's gone for everyone involved. And it's time to just
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  Speaker 4: get to a ceasefire.
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  Speaker 2: I hear you on the White House ought to put
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  Speaker 2: as much pressure as possible on getting to a ceasefire.
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  Speaker 2: How are they meant to do that when Israel's interests
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  Speaker 2: and Netanyahu's interests don't align?
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 2: Like that. That's what I'm not. I'm not saying you're
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  Speaker 2: you don't. you don't understand that too. I'm just, that
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  Speaker 2: is to me like the challenge in this, which is,
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  Speaker 2: you know, Biden calls Bibi just today, right, to make
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  Speaker 2: sure that they open this crossing. And they're clearly trying
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  Speaker 2: every way they can to get to a ceasefire. But
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  Speaker 2: when there is a wide recognition that Israel's interest is
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  Speaker 2: in a ceasefire, that this is not serving the long-term
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  Speaker 2: security and strategic interests of this country, but Netanyahu has
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  Speaker 2: his own equities in this. I guess I just don't
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  Speaker 2: understand how you kind of cut that knot.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I think what a lot of people.
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  Speaker 4: Want to see is more of a carrot and stick
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  Speaker 4: approach where there are real consequences for defying U.S. requests
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  Speaker 4: like this that include conditioning aid or cutting off weapon
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  Speaker 4: shipments or fill in more recognition of Palestinian statehood at
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  Speaker 4: the U.N. There's a lot of ways to put pressure
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  Speaker 4: on Netanyahu. None of them are comfortable for someone like Biden,
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  Speaker 4: who's a longtime self-professed lover of Israel and supporter of
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  Speaker 4: the Israeli project and government. But I think a lot
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  Speaker 4: of Democrats want to see more of that pressure track.
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  Speaker 1: Well, and Biden, I mean, in the White House readout
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  Speaker 1: of the call today, they said he reiterated his clear
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  Speaker 1: position on RAFA, which is don't invade RAFA. And when
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  Speaker 1: he had said that previously, he also said, or the
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  Speaker 1: White House had said like, there could be a rethinking
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  Speaker 1: of support for Israel, right? So like, I think if
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  Speaker 1: they go through with this invasion, he's got to, he
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  Speaker 1: can't just like have drawn that line and then not
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  Speaker 1: do anything.
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  Speaker 4: After the IDF struck that World Central Kitchen convoy and
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  Speaker 4: killed seven aid workers, Biden made a call to Netanyahu
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  Speaker 4: that sounded like it was very difficult. He demanded several
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  Speaker 4: things and, you know, Netanyahu went out and said that
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  Speaker 4: they would accede to those demands. I think a lot
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  Speaker 4: of people saw that example and thought, okay, the pressure
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  Speaker 4: track has been effective where six months of requests have not.
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  Speaker 3: So let's emphasize that more. And I think that is
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  Speaker 3: the right path, clearly.
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  Speaker 1: Totally.
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  Speaker 5: All right.
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  Speaker 1: Let's talk about the latest in Trump's criminal trial. On Friday,
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  Speaker 1: Hope Hicks delivered some of the most damning testimony yet
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  Speaker 1: against her former boss when she revealed that Trump told
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  Speaker 1: her that he knew about the hush money payments to
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  Speaker 1: Stormy Daniels and was glad the story didn't come out
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  Speaker 1: before the election. Trump also said that Cohen made the
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  Speaker 1: payments on his own, which Hicks said she believed was
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  Speaker 1: a lie. She then broke down into tears on the stand.
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  Speaker 1: On Monday, the prosecution moved on to the falsifying business
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  Speaker 1: records part of the crime. They called the Trump Organization's
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  Speaker 1: former comptroller to the stand, who admitted that Trump's reimbursement
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  Speaker 1: to Michael Cohen was falsely recorded as a legal expense
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  Speaker 1: and that Trump signed the checks. Oh, and Judge Mershon
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  Speaker 1: held Trump in contempt of court a second time for
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  Speaker 1: violating his gag order again and threatened incarceration again, saying, quote,
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  Speaker 1: the last thing I want to do is put you
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  Speaker 1: in jail, but at the end of the day, I
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  Speaker 1: have a job to do. And here's what Trump had
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  Speaker 1: to say about that after the trial.
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  Speaker 2: Our Constitution is much more important than jail.
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  Speaker 6: It's not even close.
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  Speaker 2: I'll do that sacrifice any day. That's why that juror
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  Speaker 2: number seven is a real sow. And I'll say it
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  Speaker 2: if I have to for the country.
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  Speaker 4: I've gone from thinking Trump was terrified to go to
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  Speaker 4: jail to wondering if he wants to, to seem like
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  Speaker 4: a martyr for his people now.
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  Speaker 1: I keep going back and forth on it. And today
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  Speaker 1: after that, I'm like, I'm a little more on the
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  Speaker 1: side of, I'm where you are, Tommy.
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  Speaker 2: I don't, I still... I still don't believe it. I
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  Speaker 2: still think he's putting on a show that he doesn't
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  Speaker 2: want to go.
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  Speaker 3: What if he wants to sing in the J6 choir?
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  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I guess, I don't know if they're taking
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  Speaker 2: new members.
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  Speaker 3: He's a hit maker.
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  Speaker 1: He's also probably asking, you know, he's asking his lawyers like, well,
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  Speaker 1: how long would I spend in jail?
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 5: Right.
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  Speaker 1: Would it be like a day, a couple of days?
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  Speaker 1: Upstate or?
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  Speaker 2: I think that like the, I think the, the, the
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  Speaker 2: lack of control over face, hair, body, I think it's
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  Speaker 2: like a big deal. I think it's a big deal
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  Speaker 2: for him. He wears a hat when it's windy. Now
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  Speaker 2: he's gonna go to jail.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Although he knows he's not going to get thrown in
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  Speaker 1: a cell with other inmates, you know?
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  Speaker 3: Right. Tim and his Secret Service buddies. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So he's probably... I can't even believe we're talking about this.
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  Speaker 1: This is wild.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Living in a fucking carnival. Stupid. The whole thing's stupid.
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  Speaker 1: Usually we have guests with actual law degrees with us
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  Speaker 1: to talk about these developments, but from everything you guys
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  Speaker 1: have seen and read, how are you feeling about how
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  Speaker 1: this trial is going for Trump? Should he start measuring
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  Speaker 1: the drapes at Rikers or what?
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  Speaker 2: It's not going particularly well. The whole big testimony is interesting.
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  Speaker 2: There's two parts that stood out to me. One was
• 11:47
  Speaker 2: when she first gets the emailed transcript of the Access
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  Speaker 2: Hollywood tape and she goes and she brings it to Trump.
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  Speaker 2: Trump's like, that doesn't sound like me. I wouldn't say that.
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  Speaker 2: And then minutes later, they had the video, which I
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  Speaker 2: thought was great.
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  Speaker 1: Just, you know, he's a liar.
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  Speaker 2: He's a fucking liar.
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  Speaker 1: That's the point of that.
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  Speaker 2: But there's the part where she describes Trump telling her
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  Speaker 2: after it becomes public about Michael Cohen making the payments.
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  Speaker 2: where Trump tells Hope Hicks something like, I just talked
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  Speaker 2: to Michael. I just talked to him. Michael did it
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  Speaker 2: out of the goodness of his heart. And he did
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  Speaker 2: it without my knowledge. He did it out of the
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  Speaker 2: goodness of his heart. And that's what Michael did. I
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  Speaker 2: just talked to him.
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  Speaker 1: Also, good thing it didn't come out before the election.
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  Speaker 2: And good thing it didn't come out before the election.
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  Speaker 2: But just that kind of fucking dime store mafioso, like
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  Speaker 2: getting the story straight thing just comes across. And the
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  Speaker 2: fact that she's, breaking down as she tells us, and
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  Speaker 2: I'm sure is a very compelling witness. I don't think
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  Speaker 2: it was a good day for him.
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  Speaker 4: I also like that we learned that I think Trump
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  Speaker 4: apparently asked Hope to hide the newspapers that got delivered
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  Speaker 4: to Trump's home to keep Melania from seeing a story
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  Speaker 4: about his affair with Karen McDougal, which is a technique
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  Speaker 4: that didn't work before the internet. These other people get
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  Speaker 4: newspapers and they can call your wife.
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  Speaker 3: That's so funny.
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  Speaker 2: You assume Melania has a phone?
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  Speaker 3: I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if she has a phone.
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  Speaker 3: But that was interesting. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Whether Trump directed Michael Cohen to do it or whether
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  Speaker 1: Michael Cohen actually did it out of the goodness of
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  Speaker 1: his heart, Andrew Weissman was saying that it doesn't actually
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  Speaker 1: matter for this case because Trump knowing about the scheme
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  Speaker 1: after the fact and knowing about it like that's all
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  Speaker 1: they need to prove. that he knew about it. He
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  Speaker 1: knew that falsifying the business records was in furtherance of
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  Speaker 1: covering up the campaign finance violation. So that's what they
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  Speaker 1: have to prove. It is more damning if what Hicks
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  Speaker 1: said is true and what Michael Cohen surely will say
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  Speaker 1: is true, which is, of course, Trump directed Michael Cohen
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  Speaker 1: to do it. But it's not absolutely necessary.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, look, I'm sure that's right legally because
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  Speaker 2: he's the lawyer and we're nothing.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 1: That's why I follow Andrew Weissman.
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  Speaker 2: But just in terms of, like, the story... like for
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  Speaker 2: people hearing this, like I do think it is actually
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  Speaker 2: important in terms of the seriousness of it to know
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  Speaker 2: that like from the beginning he was directing this, that
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  Speaker 2: he wasn't just after the fact trying to kind of.
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  Speaker 3: Fuck up the ledger.
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  Speaker 1: And I think that's why they started with Pecker, right?
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  Speaker 1: Because they wanted to lay the predicate that this started
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  Speaker 1: in 2015, 2016. Trump was there. Trump entered into the
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  Speaker 1: deal with them and said, let's do this catch and
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  Speaker 1: kill thing with any kind of story that comes up.
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  Speaker 1: And so now you have to believe that Trump wanted
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  Speaker 1: to do that with Karen McDougal, the negative stories on
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  Speaker 1: his opponents, all this other shit. But when it came
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  Speaker 1: to Stormy Daniels, then it was just Michael Cohen acting
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  Speaker 1: on his own.
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  Speaker 2: Some people think it's a better strategy to start with Pecker.
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  Speaker 2: Some people finish with Pecker. But I think in this case,
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  Speaker 2: you were right. I think starting with Pecker was nice.
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  Speaker 4: I think big picture, hope seemed to confirm that Trump
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  Speaker 4: micromanaged everything that happened in his little family business. And
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  Speaker 4: the idea that Michael Cohen would Catch and kill an
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  Speaker 4: article out of the goodness of his heart does not
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  Speaker 4: ring true to anybody.
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  Speaker 1: Well, and today, Monday, was all about the business records falsification.
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  Speaker 1: And that seems like a pretty airtight case.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Not just because of the testimony, but they also have documents.
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  Speaker 1: They introduce all kinds of evidence. And it's like Alan
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  Speaker 1: Weisselberg writing on it like, this is for Stormy.
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  Speaker 2: Caught and killed.
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  Speaker 3: A-dubs.
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  Speaker 1: So, you know, and it's like, They have this whole
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  Speaker 1: thing where like Trump signs all the checks and then
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  Speaker 1: Trump's telling people like, I want to look at every invoice.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, it's just it's there's a lot of evidence,
• 15:28
  Speaker 1: a lot of evidence that he knowingly falsified the business records.
• 15:32
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 15:32
  Speaker 2: Well, I also just we went into this. It's obvious
• 15:36
  Speaker 2: the evidence was there. The facts were there was always
• 15:37
  Speaker 2: just the question about this, the how novel the case was,
• 15:41
  Speaker 2: which a bunch of liberal lawyers decided was it was novel.
• 15:45
  Speaker 2: Then it became the only case going forward. Then it
• 15:47
  Speaker 2: became iron fucking clad. And then also how serious it
• 15:50
  Speaker 2: would be for people.
• 16:03
  Speaker 1: So Trump spent the weekend at his beach club speaking
• 16:05
  Speaker 1: to his richest donors and potential running mates. The New
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: York Times got a hold of an audio recording and
• 16:10
  Speaker 1: wrote that Trump, quote, delivered a frustrated and often obscene
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: speech lasting roughly 75 minutes where he compared the Biden
• 16:17
  Speaker 1: administration to the Gestapo. called Jack Smith ugly, mocked Bill Barr,
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: and said that Democrats start off with 40% of the
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: vote because of federal employees, union members, and people on welfare.
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: The insinuation there is that Democrats give government assistance in
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: exchange for votes. Jake Tapper asked VP contender Doug Burgum
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: about the irony of Trump making this accusation while promising
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: tax cuts to his rich donors. And here's what he said.
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: Donald Trump telling a room full of donors, wealthy people, millionaires, billionaires,
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: that he's going to cut their taxes. Is that buying
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: votes any different.
• 16:49
  Speaker 7: Well, first of all, I just reject the whole premise
• 16:52
  Speaker 7: of this idea of wealthy donors. I mean, the room
• 16:55
  Speaker 7: of people that were there yesterday are all people that
• 16:58
  Speaker 7: were job creators. These are Americans that took risks that,
• 17:02
  Speaker 7: you know.
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: So they're not wealthy?
• 17:04
  Speaker 7: Sometimes risk everything they had to start a business. Well,
• 17:07
  Speaker 7: they're wealthy now.
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: I was hearing that for the first time, and that's
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: good stuff. That's great.
• 17:11
  Speaker 3: That is good stuff.
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: I don't understand why you're using the W word, Jake.
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: I will just say, there's too many clips, so we
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: didn't use this one. Doug Burgum, just a couple days
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: ago on Fox, when he was getting interviewed by Laura Ingraham,
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: he said that she was asking him about some Trump policy,
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: and he's like, you know, billionaires, billionaires should want to
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: vote for Trump because he's going to help them succeed.
• 17:32
  Speaker 3: Sure. Why not?
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: I'm hoping now. Doug Burgum, he should pick Doug.
• 17:38
  Speaker 5: All right.
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: My boy, Doug.
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: You're on the Doug train.
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: Think of how great it would be to have Doug
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: Burgum walking around talking about how, like, billionaires have rights, too.
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: I just think that's great.
• 17:44
  Speaker 3: Big, bushy eyebrows.
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I, Anyway, it sounds like a real
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: fun event. Wish I could have been there. The Biden
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: campaign responded with a statement that hit Trump for the
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: Gestapo comments. But interestingly, they led with the welfare comments.
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: You guys think those are more damaging? What were your
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: thoughts on all that?
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: I think Trump has done a version of the Gestapo. Like,
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: it might be new. It's one of those things where
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: I heard it.
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: It didn't shock me.
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: It didn't shock me for even a second.
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: It should have. I mean, it should upset us.
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: Well, sure, it no longer does because Trump's killed that
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: part of us. But anyway. Yeah, the welfare comments to me,
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: I saw people comparing it to the Romney 47% comment.
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: Oh, the welfare stuff.
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: The welfare stuff. And whether or not that comparison is
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: accurate or not, I think anytime Trump is in a
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: room full of plutocrats decrying the welfare state, I think
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: you're kind of in a good zone. That's where I
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: want to live.
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: I like that.
• 18:34
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think whenever you have a gaffe that reminds
• 18:36
  Speaker 4: the press corps of a previous gaffe, you have a
• 18:38
  Speaker 4: good shot at leapfrogging a couple stages of analysis, right,
• 18:41
  Speaker 4: to like, oh, this is damaging. You kind of like
• 18:42
  Speaker 4: manifest the thing into being a problem. The comparison to Mitt, right,
• 18:46
  Speaker 4: who said 47% of the country is with Obama no
• 18:48
  Speaker 4: matter what, I actually think Romney's comments were worse.
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: For a couple reasons.
• 18:54
  Speaker 4: He was scathing about the voters themselves. He said they
• 18:58
  Speaker 4: think they're victims. They believe they're entitled to food. Yeah,
• 19:01
  Speaker 4: that was the part that really got him.
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: Title to food? Yeah, title to food. Food and housing, yeah.
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: People should be able to eat. And then he said,
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: my job is not to- Tommy thinks people should have food.
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: Crazy talk. Wild.
• 19:09
  Speaker 4: Then he said, my job is not to worry about
• 19:11
  Speaker 4: those people. I'll never convince them they should take personal responsibility,
• 19:14
  Speaker 4: which solidified this narrative that we were pushing that he
• 19:17
  Speaker 4: was a plutocrat and in it for his donors. Romney, though,
• 19:20
  Speaker 4: has a conscience, and he felt bad about those comments,
• 19:24
  Speaker 4: and he reacted in a way that demonstrated he felt bad.
• 19:26
  Speaker 4: We later learned from his book that he thought about
• 19:28
  Speaker 4: dropping out of the race. Trump does not have a.
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: Turns out Romney was a plutocrat with a heart of gold.
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: Trump does not have a conscience.
• 19:35
  Speaker 4: I think he says worse things than whatever he said
• 19:37
  Speaker 4: at his donor conference at rallies all the time because
• 19:39
  Speaker 4: he's a narcissist, so he'll be fine.
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: Also, if only federal employees plus union members plus people
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: getting government assistance added up to 40% of the vote,
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: and if only all those people... were voting Democrat.
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: They are not. This is Richard Daly's Chicago.
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: What are you talking about?
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: But also, in fact, like much of Trump's base, the
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: people who are getting federal assistance, probably a lot of
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: Trump's base at this point. Civil service, very tiny percent
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: of the population. union members wish more people were a
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: part of union not the case right now so it's
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: just like it's just such a it's such an old
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: school view of the electorate and it is to love
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: its original point so damning to say all this in
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: a room full of fucking billionaires who then he was
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: like by the way uh if anyone if anyone cuts
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: a one million dollar check to me right now you
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: can come up and have a turn at the mic
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: oh you get to speak to first of all what
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: a shitty talk to the donors what a shitty constantly
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: like oh you get to talk to the donors wow
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: a million dollars to do a toast. And apparently no
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: one took him up on it for a little while.
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: And then finally he was like, the New York Times
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: said he seemed annoyed. He seemed upset. And then finally
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: someone said, okay.
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: Is Jack Smith ugly?
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: Where's this coming from? No, no.
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: Jack Smith is handsome. You're a fan?
• 20:45
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: It's not, I wouldn't have brought it up unprompted. I
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: don't have a poster of him in my locker. I'm
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: not trying to go all Mueller time on you guys.
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: He's a good looking person.
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: I do have a bobblehead on my desk that someone
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: sent us. One of you wonderful listeners sent us a
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: Jack Smith bobblehead.
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: I needed a gut check on that.
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: I do think that like the whole million dollar check thing,
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: it just sort of speaks to Trump's entire approach to politics,
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: which is authoritarian in that like if you kiss his ass,
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: you make him richer, you know, he'll do something shitty
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: for you, like you can get to speak to a
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: bunch of donors.
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and then it's transactional.
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's all transactional. And if not, he'll come after you.
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: That's it.
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: That's his whole shtick. So Trump's campaign team also gave
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: a presentation at the event that reportedly included three different
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: electoral college maps. The first one they called the media's version,
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: which is the seven swing states we're all familiar with.
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: The second they called, quote, actual current reality, which is
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: just Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin as the three states in play.
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: And then the third they called, quote, expanded reality, which
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: said that in addition to those three, Minnesota and Virginia
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: are also in play. I realize the Trump campaign isn't
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: well equipped to give lessons on reality. But what do
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: you guys think of their maps and their view on
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: the race?
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: So here's what I thought. I think if we're talking
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: about Minnesota and Virginia, OK, I guess we can I
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: guess we can eventually if we're talking about that, we
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: got a lot of problems. But I want to focus
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: on their whatever with their middle their middle scenario, because
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: what I saw it and I realized like, oh, okay.
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: So let's say you, let's just give them this. Obviously
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: it's spin, obviously it's bluster, but let's just give them this.
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: So you're giving them Georgia, giving them Arizona, you're giving
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: them Nevada, you're giving them North Carolina, obviously. This is
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: why they're focused on that Nebraska seat. Because if you
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: punch those numbers in, if Biden wins Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin,
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: Trump wins those other states and Biden wins one state,
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: electoral vote in Nebraska, that's 270-268. If they stop that
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: and it goes all red, it's 269-269 and goes to
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: the House. So it is, I think, I found it just,
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: I saw it and I was like, oh, that's chilling.
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: One of their most likely scenarios is the tie scenario.
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: We haven't talked about it in a little while. It
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: does seem like it is unlikely to happen in Nebraska
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: because they just don't have the votes. And the governor
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: basically said as much too. He's like, if we had
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: the votes, we'd do it, but we don't. And then
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: I saw that I think one of the Democratic leaders,
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: either in the House or the Senate in Maine, did
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: say that if Nebraska went forward with it, then Maine
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: would go forward with it.
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: Which would undo it.
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, which would undo it, basically.
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: And the other piece of it.
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: Sorry, because Maine has a split electoral vote as well.
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: It's the only other state that does.
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: But that does explain why they were going for it, right?
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: They're looking at this map and seeing that like it's
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: not like a 270, 268. It's like a very reasonable outcome.
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: Expanded reality is kind of a great term.
• 23:40
  Speaker 7: I know.
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: Alternative facts kind of feel to it. It's a good
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: theme for the Trump campaign.
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: It's actually very Bush-esque.
• 23:44
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: Remember when they were talking, they were the reality distortion field.
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: Remember that whole thing? Unitary executive, expanded reality. It's all
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: one fucking thing.
• 23:52
  Speaker 4: I think just on the general point though, like I
• 23:55
  Speaker 4: would just approach this with kind of an Occam's razor
• 23:57
  Speaker 4: common sense view that this is a rematch of an
• 24:00
  Speaker 4: election from four years ago. And the map's kind of
• 24:02
  Speaker 4: probably going to look like the map four years ago.
• 24:04
  Speaker 4: And that doesn't mean Biden's going to win every state
• 24:06
  Speaker 4: he won in 2020. but they'll be contested. And if
• 24:09
  Speaker 4: Trump's team thinks that Minnesota and Virginia are in play,
• 24:12
  Speaker 4: I would expect them to, one, spend money there and
• 24:15
  Speaker 4: to go there when you're not in court. But, you know, yeah,
• 24:18
  Speaker 4: to Lovett's point, Biden won Minnesota by seven points and
• 24:21
  Speaker 4: Virginia by 10. So if those states go to Trump,
• 24:25
  Speaker 4: it's a landslide anyway.
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I was looking into it. I think it's an
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: odd two states to choose. I mean, Biden, like you said,
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: he won by seven. I think the reason they thought
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: about it is because Hillary only won Minnesota by 1.5.
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: I forgot that it was that close in 2016. But
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: the reason that Biden did so much better than Hillary
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: is because he, mostly he got the extra margin out
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: of the Twin Cities metro area, which are all those
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: suburbs around the Twin Cities, which are very college educated.
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: And like, if anything, Biden has only been doing better
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: with college educated voters. So like, could he do worse
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: in like the Iron Range and some of the rural
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: places in Minnesota?
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: But like most of the population is Hennepin County, like
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: right around Minneapolis. So like, I don't, I don't, I
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: think that's wishful thinking on the Trump. And I think
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: in Virginia, they're probably just thinking like, oh, you know,
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: what's his face? Youngkin won, beat Terry McAuliffe. But I
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: really think that was more about, I think we know
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: now that that was more about Terry McAuliffe than it
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: was about like Donald Trump or Joe Biden or national politics.
• 25:20
  Speaker 4: This is the part of the campaign where the Democrats
• 25:23
  Speaker 4: do a little wish casting. We talk about flipping Arkansas
• 25:25
  Speaker 4: or whatever, and Republicans do the same on their side.
• 25:28
  Speaker 4: And then, you know, we end up battling each other
• 25:29
  Speaker 4: in Pennsylvania for four grueling months or whatever by the end.
• 25:33
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: And like right now, the polls, you know, in Minnesota,
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: there was one SurveyUSA poll that had Biden only up
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: two in Minnesota, but the rest have had him comfortably ahead.
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: In Virginia, recent polls have had it closer than the
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: 10 points he won by, but they're still mid-single digits.
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: He's got a mid-single digits lead. In the current reality map,
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: I agree with Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin are the most
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: important states. I think that Arizona should be in that category.
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: And then I think Nevada next. And then it does
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: feel like North Carolina and Georgia will be tougher this year,
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: but still doable. And our friends at FiveThirtyEight now finally
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: have the averages, the polling averages for states, just so
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: everyone knows. They have North Carolina at 6.6. So Trump's
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: up by 6.6. Georgia, he's up by 6. Nevada, he's
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: up by 5. And then Arizona's 3, Wisconsin's 3, Pennsylvania's 2.
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: And Michigan is actually the closest now. Trump's only up
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: by a point and a half there. So tight race,
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: tight race.
• 26:23
  Speaker 4: The only good thing about North Carolina is the Republicans
• 26:25
  Speaker 4: decided to nominate Mark Robinson as their gubernatorial candidate. And
• 26:29
  Speaker 4: he is a bona fide, just nutbag.
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: And he, you know, he's, he.
• 26:33
  Speaker 4: Called a most recent headline I read about Mark Robinson
• 26:36
  Speaker 4: was he called Beyonce a skank. So that's the kind
• 26:38
  Speaker 4: of press he's getting. So maybe he'll have some reverse coattails.
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: Well, the polls so far are showing Josh Stein really
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: outpacing Biden, even in that state and beating Mark Robinson.
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: Truly have to beat that man. He's frightening.
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: There's been some national polls. It's still basically a tied race.
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: But one thing to keep an eye on, a few
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: high quality polls came out recently where they gave the
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: results in terms of polling all adults, registered voters and
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: likely voters. And Biden's doing better with registered than all adults.
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: And he's doing better with likely than either of them.
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: And that has now been a pattern where every time
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: they have a likely voter screen, Biden ends up doing
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: a little bit better. So people who are saying that
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: they're more likely to vote in the elections. are more
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: likely to be Biden voters, which is not a pattern
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: we've seen. We didn't see it in 2020. But one
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: theory of this is, you know, the special elections and
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: the midterms where Democrats have been outperforming. And we keep saying,
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: you know, I've been saying that, like, well, in a
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: presidential election, it's a completely different electorate. And so you're
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: going to get all these other voters who are much
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: more Trump, you know, tend to be more unfavorable towards Trump. But,
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: you know, if It could be a situation where if
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: there's a lower, oddly enough, if there is a lower
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: turnout election, lower than 2020, and it starts to look
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: a little bit more like a midterm electorate, then it
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: could benefit Biden, which would be wild. But something to
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: keep an eye on.
• 28:02
  Speaker 5: All right.
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: Trump also did an episode of Apprentice VP edition during
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: the donor retreat where he auditioned several potential running mates
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: who were in attendance. And according to the leaked audio,
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: made comments about each one. He even called puppy murderer
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: Kristi Noem, quote, somebody that I love. even though she
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: keeps digging that gravel pit deeper with one of the
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: most bewildering and damaging press tours I have ever seen.
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: Here's a clip from her star turn on this week's
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: Face the Nation.
• 28:28
  Speaker 8: You talk about meeting some world leaders and one specific one. Quote,
• 28:33
  Speaker 8: I remember when I met with North Korean dictator Kim Jong-un.
• 28:37
  Speaker 8: I'm sure he underestimated me, having no clue about my
• 28:41
  Speaker 8: experience staring down little tyrants. I've been a children's pastor
• 28:44
  Speaker 8: after all. Did you meet Kim Jong-un?
• 28:48
  Speaker 6: Well, you know, as soon as this was brought to
• 28:49
  Speaker 6: my attention, I certainly made some changes and looked at
• 28:54
  Speaker 6: this passage. And I've met with many, many world leaders.
• 28:58
  Speaker 6: I've traveled around the world. As soon as it was
• 29:00
  Speaker 6: brought to my attention, we went forward and have made
• 29:04
  Speaker 6: some edits.
• 29:05
  Speaker 8: So you did not meet with Kim Jong-un.
• 29:07
  Speaker 5: That's what you're saying.
• 29:08
  Speaker 6: No, I've met with many, many world leaders, many world leaders.
• 29:11
  Speaker 6: I've traveled around the world. I think I've talk extensively
• 29:14
  Speaker 6: in this book about my time serving in Congress, my
• 29:17
  Speaker 6: time as governor, before governor, some of the travels that
• 29:20
  Speaker 6: I've had. I'm not going to talk about my specific
• 29:23
  Speaker 6: meetings with world leaders.
• 29:24
  Speaker 8: At the end of the book, you say the very
• 29:26
  Speaker 8: first thing you would do if you got to the
• 29:28
  Speaker 8: White House that was different from Joe Biden is you'd
• 29:31
  Speaker 8: make sure Joe Biden's dog was nowhere on the grounds. Commander,
• 29:34
  Speaker 8: say hello to cricket. Are you doing this to try
• 29:38
  Speaker 8: to look tough? Do you still think that you have
• 29:40
  Speaker 8: a shot at being a VP?
• 29:43
  Speaker 6: Well, number one, Joe Biden's dog has attacked 24 Secret
• 29:47
  Speaker 6: Service people. So how many people is enough people to
• 29:50
  Speaker 6: be attacked and dangerously hurt before you make a decision
• 29:54
  Speaker 6: on a dog and what.
• 29:55
  Speaker 5: To do with it.
• 29:55
  Speaker 8: Well, he's not living at the White House anymore.
• 29:56
  Speaker 6: That's the question that the president should be held accountable to.
• 29:59
  Speaker 8: You're saying he should be shot?
• 30:00
  Speaker 6: That's what the president should be accountable to, is what
• 30:03
  Speaker 6: is the number?
• 30:03
  Speaker 4: She's an entire dog murder platform.
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: I didn't realize that part about, I didn't realize that,
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: I hadn't heard that part about Commander Meat Cricket in hell.
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: It's not just one proposal.
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: It's a whole thing.
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: I didn't realize that she had a whole, I'm not retreating.
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: I'm reloading to kill more fucking dogs.
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: That is insane.
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: That is insane.
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: I love this.
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: I love this.
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: She apparently just went on Fox and said that the
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: reason that she told this story in her book about
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: killing the puppy is was to prove that she's quote,
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: not like other politicians. Mission accomplished.
• 30:39
  Speaker 5: You did it.
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: Christy Dahmer over here.
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: Is she intentionally trying to ruin her career?
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: What do you think?
• 30:43
  Speaker 4: I like how she acts offended on behalf of the
• 30:46
  Speaker 4: confidentiality of her imaginary meetings. I am not going to
• 30:51
  Speaker 4: elaborate on my meetings that didn't happen.
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: I've really never seen anything like this.
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: I can't believe why she continues to do the interviews.
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: Because she only has so many... She's in the early...
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: This is training in front of Trump. They're going out
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: in front of Trump and demonstrating that they can handle
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: the press. And she had to do it just to
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: get out there. But man, the other thing too is,
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: it's okay to just say, yeah, we muffed it. It's
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: a fuck up. It's a fuck up. It combined two stories.
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: I didn't notice in the edit. Obviously, I didn't meet
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: with Kim Jong-un.
• 31:22
  Speaker 4: What I love about this, you chose to write the book.
• 31:24
  Speaker 4: I know they're trying to blame the ghostwriter now, but
• 31:26
  Speaker 4: she also... She read the audio book herself.
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: By the way.
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: I didn't hear that.
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: That's so funny. By the way, are we being.
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: Is this our own hubris? I know, I know, I know.
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: Because we have a book coming out that we all read,
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: and we can try.
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: To blame Josh.
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: Don't put that into the.
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: I'm blaming Josh right now.
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: I will say in my chapters that I read, I
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: didn't notice anything. I can't speak for you two. I
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: don't know about you guys. When I read our chapters,
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: I didn't disassociate. I heard what I said.
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: And I caught a couple more typos.
• 31:57
  Speaker 5: That we fixed.
• 31:58
  Speaker 4: And if I read about my meeting with Kim Jong-un,
• 32:01
  Speaker 4: I might think to myself, huh. Was I one of
• 32:03
  Speaker 4: like a half dozen living U.S. officials to ever meet
• 32:07
  Speaker 4: with this guy? Was I the only member of Congress
• 32:09
  Speaker 4: to ever meet with Kim Jong-un? Did I accidentally get
• 32:11
  Speaker 4: on a plane with Dennis Rodman and not realize until
• 32:14
  Speaker 4: I landed in Pyongyang? No.
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: OK, well, let's fix it.
• 32:18
  Speaker 4: But to your point, the lesson of the Trump era
• 32:20
  Speaker 4: is like you can't back down. You can't let the
• 32:22
  Speaker 4: liberal media see you sweat. And she also she can't
• 32:25
  Speaker 4: cancel her interviews. she can't apologize. So she just has
• 32:28
  Speaker 4: to do this idiotic.
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: Her book is called no going back, I guess.
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: That's right.
• 32:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: It's a real, like I don't, it is also, I
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: think wrong, right? Like I think it's a, like an
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: overlearned lesson. Like I think it would have been, it's
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: so defensive and kind of politician-y to be like, well,
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: I've met with many world leaders and we're going to
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: go take a look at that. Just say like, Oh, yeah,
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: it's obviously a mistake. I didn't meet with Kim Jong-un. Well,
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: she's like, I was interrupted 36 times.
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: Although even admitting that, the problem is exactly what Tommy
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: just said with the audio book, right? You can't be like,
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: obviously I didn't meet with him. Why did you say it?
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: Right, because I think then it starts to introduce like,
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: did she confuse Asian leaders? Like, what is the mistake?
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: Are you stupid? Because she says it combined. Because she
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: says it was like, there's some comment somewhere about like, oh,
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: it was combined with another part of a passage and
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: they didn't notice it.
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: Combined North and South Korea? Yeah.
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: We've been working on that project for a long time.
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: I know. Easy to do in a fake book. Also,
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: by the way, forget the obvious ridiculousness of claiming to
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: have met the Korean dictator, but that tone of these
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: political books, these fake biobooks, like, oh, you think I...
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: you know, you think I can't handle meeting with a
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: foreign leader like Putin? Well, you haven't seen these six-year-olds
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: when they've had too much Kool-Aid. You know, it's like
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: that fucking shit. Like, you know, we started off as
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: people who couldn't see eye to eye, but over a
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: local craft beer and two hours of good and difficult conversation,
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: we came to see each other's point of view. Like,
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: that kind of shit.
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: Who's that for?
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: Was that in Hard Choices? I was not being specific.
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: Did you see, she put out a, she tweeted.
• 34:04
  Speaker 4: that Margaret Brennan on CBS Face the Nation interrupted her
• 34:07
  Speaker 4: 36 times or something like that. It just turned into
• 34:09
  Speaker 4: just this whining grievance nonsense.
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: Which is just Mad Libs, you know, like blame liberal media.
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: And Margaret Brennan, she's like, wait, but did you meet
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: with Kim Jong-un? Like, now I'm confused.
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: Politico reported that, do you know she wrote a first book?
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: This was her second book. And in the first book,
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: her team got her to take the story of killing
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: the puppy out. She put it back.
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: Hire those people again.
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: She demanded to go in the second book. And then
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: she said, The reason that she put it in the
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: second book is because opponents in past races have used
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: it against her. So she thought she would get ahead
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: of the story.
• 34:38
  Speaker 5: What?
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: How did the opponents know she murdered her dog? Did
• 34:41
  Speaker 3: she call them?
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: Small place. Smallest place in South Dakota. Apparently it's been
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: going around.
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: They were at the funeral.
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: You tell one person you killed your puppy. And then
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: all of a sudden it's a whole thing.
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: They tell two friends.
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: And then your goat. And then the horses. She's killing everything.
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: What did you guys think of... Of Trump's reviews of
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: his other potential running mates based on the audio recording
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: that we read about.
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: Let's do an impromptu quiz.
• 35:03
  Speaker 3: All right.
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: Don't look at your notes. I'm going to read you
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: what Trump said about them. You'd say who it was.
• 35:06
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: His name is coming up a lot for vice president.
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: Rubio. Rubio.
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: That is Rubio. As a candidate, he did a good job,
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: but as a surrogate, he's unbelievable.
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: Tim Scott.
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: He wasn't a supporter of mine at the very beginning.
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: He was saying things like, this guy's a total disaster.
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: You think we haven't read the prep?
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: I know you know them also by heart.
• 35:27
  Speaker 4: No, but you're picking up on what I picked up on,
• 35:29
  Speaker 4: which was that there wasn't a single interesting or insightful
• 35:32
  Speaker 4: observation out of the entire dozen or so that were
• 35:36
  Speaker 4: listed here.
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: I love your haircut and he's a good man too.
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: That's Mike Lee. That was good. Oh, and the best one,
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: the best one is about, he said this about Byron Donalds,
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: a black member of Congress, Somebody who's created something very
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: special politically. I like diversity. Diversite, as you would say.
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: I like diversite. Worth millions of dollars. All want a
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: piece of Byron. Diversite.
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: Diversite.
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: Right out of Veep.
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: He's having a blast up there. The guy doesn't drink.
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: Doug Burgum.
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: I didn't know this.
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: He was a supporter of my two campaigns. He's a
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: very rich man.
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: Again, it's just like, he's just observations, trivia.
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: Elise Stefanik, a very smart person. She was in upstate
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: New York when I met her. Little did we realize
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: she would be such a big factor.
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: That was my favorite one too. The gnome one also
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: is very much like, she has no chance.
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: It's done.
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: So he's just kind of throwing her some love.
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: I love her. He'll be making fun of the puppy
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: shooting thing, but he's not going to be able to
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: resist that.
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: No, it's too good.
• 36:35
  Speaker 4: Do you guys follow Magic Johnson on Twitter by any chance?
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: I don't.
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: 50-50 shot. Okay. It's like, it's so bad, it's good.
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: He has these utterly... He.
• 36:45
  Speaker 4: Just tweets about the NBA in ways that are like,
• 36:47
  Speaker 4: Celtics shot more tonight, got more points, therefore won. That's
• 36:51
  Speaker 4: what it reminded me from Trump.
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: Anyway, but... I don't know why I even raised that
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: at this audience.
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: I thought you were going to say that Magic Johnson
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: tweeted about the puppy killer.
• 36:59
  Speaker 4: Well, hopefully he will with any luck. What this reminded
• 37:02
  Speaker 4: me of, when I had Alyssa, when Alyssa guest hosted
• 37:05
  Speaker 4: when you guys were in D.C. the other week, she
• 37:07
  Speaker 4: talked about the VP selection process she ran for Kerry
• 37:10
  Speaker 4: and Obama and how focused they were on confidentiality and
• 37:15
  Speaker 4: making sure that these people who you asked to tell
• 37:17
  Speaker 4: you all their darkest secrets and do all this vetting
• 37:19
  Speaker 4: information aren't humiliated by leaks and things. And then you
• 37:23
  Speaker 4: have Trump which is he's doing the exact opposite. But
• 37:26
  Speaker 4: I wondered, could this be kind of a Machiavellian way
• 37:29
  Speaker 4: to get as much dirt as you can from all
• 37:32
  Speaker 4: your potential rivals so it's sitting there in a little
• 37:35
  Speaker 4: folder in the future if they ever criticize you?
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: Think about it.
• 37:39
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: I mean, I think Trump doesn't need any material to
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: ruin someone's political career.
• 37:44
  Speaker 3: Just makes it up.
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: She's called David Becker. She put one of the most
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: damning things I've ever seen a politician get accused of
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: in her own book.
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: She made it easy, yeah.
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: That's true.
• 37:52
  Speaker 3: Did it to herself. That's fair.
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: Anyway, no, but I do. It is interesting that like
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: Trump is sort of steamrolled all these places where we
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: used to have seriousness. And I think that's obviously been
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: very damning. But I remember when Kerry was choosing between
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: Edwards and Gephardt. I mean, the New York Post ran
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: a cover that said Gephardt is picked and they got
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: it wrong. And it was secret and it was important.
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: And and everyone took it really, really seriously. And I
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: don't know.
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: And they realize that Gephardt killed that puppy.
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: Right. And then Gep, yeah, he killed all those, but
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: it's just, he just nonstop murder.
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: It's a libelous and it didn't happen. Yeah.
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: It didn't happen.
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: Didn't happen.
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: Didn't happen.
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: And then Trump does this with these people. It is.
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: I love it.
• 38:30
  Speaker 4: What is brilliant about it though, is he knows that
• 38:33
  Speaker 4: he can distract the press with this until the day
• 38:36
  Speaker 4: he picks. He can just do this little game and
• 38:39
  Speaker 4: dance these people in front of the, press corps and
• 38:41
  Speaker 4: his donors and make them dance for him, and he
• 38:43
  Speaker 4: loves it.
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll keep talking about it.
• 38:45
  Speaker 3: It's a blast.
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: If there's new stuff out there.
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: And by the way, it's free to put somebody on
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: the list and make them feel good.
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: It's free.
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: It is free.
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: One note before we go to break. I just want
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: to let everybody know, I'm taking a couple weeks off,
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: both on Pod Save America and Love It or Leave It.
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: Are you being vetted for the VP search?
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: It's happening.
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: I'm working on something. Can't say more now. We'll tell
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: you more about it when I'm back. But I just
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: wanted to let everybody know we lined up some awesome
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: guest hosts for Love It or Leave It. Andy Richter,
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: Larry Wilmore, Maria Bamford, Matt Rogers, Louis Vertel, Ian Carmel,
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: Langston Kerman, and Guy Branum. As it turns out, it
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: takes a lot of.
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: People to fill these issues.
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: And I'm very worried that after I get back and
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: these shows were really very, very good, that I won't
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: be able to run through the office screaming, I am
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: the indispensable person.
• 39:31
  Speaker 3: I am the talent. Yeah.
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: But other than that.
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: We'll miss you.
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 39:35
  Speaker 3: Good luck with your Brazilian butt lift. Sure.
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: And you can get new, there will still be episodes
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: Tuesdays and Saturdays. Crooked.com slash events. Go to these special
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: guest shows.
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: Is that what I'm saying?
• 39:46
  Speaker 3: There's lavender.
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: Oh, there's lavender. Go to cricket.com slash events. Otherwise, I'll
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: be back for our June tour swing starting in Charlotte
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: and Asheville, North Carolina, and then Boston.
• 39:58
  Speaker 5: Awesome.
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: And when we come back, we'll have Shaniqua McClendon on
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: from Vote Save America to talk all about Organize or Else,
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: which is our big 2024 volunteer operation. We're back, and
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: we've got with us the president of Vote Save America,
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: Shaniqua McClendon.
• 40:26
  Speaker 5: Hi, thank you. Boss.
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 40:29
  Speaker 5: Oh, man. Fiona came up with something really funny, and
• 40:32
  Speaker 5: I can't remember. It's like.
• 40:33
  Speaker 3: It'll come to you.
• 40:34
  Speaker 5: Something princess.
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: Politics princess.
• 40:36
  Speaker 5: No, you don't know.
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: Politics princess? All right.
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: We have brought you on today, not just because we
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: like having you here, and you're in town, which is
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: always great, since you're usually in D.C., but because Vote
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: Save America has launched... The largest electoral organizing effort, not
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: just of the year, it says here in the year, ever. Oh,
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: it is big.
• 40:58
  Speaker 5: It is big.
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: Called Organizer Else?
• 41:01
  Speaker 5: Yes, it's Organizer Else. So most people probably remember Adopt-A-State
• 41:04
  Speaker 5: from 2020, where we recruited 300,000 people to volunteer and
• 41:07
  Speaker 5: raised $ 46 million that year. That's a lot of money.
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 41:13
  Speaker 5: But this year we're doing Organize or Else. And it's
• 41:15
  Speaker 5: a little bit different because we should have focused on
• 41:17
  Speaker 5: the house a little bit more in 2020. And so
• 41:19
  Speaker 5: we learned our lesson.
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: And so don't blame yourself.
• 41:24
  Speaker 5: You know, we did consult you all on what we'd
• 41:27
  Speaker 5: be focused on, but it's fine.
• 41:28
  Speaker 3: It's fine.
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: And you know what?
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: And Lovett was like, don't pay much attention.
• 41:31
  Speaker 3: To New York.
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: I think New York's locked. New York, California, it's a lock.
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: Don't worry. Look, if I said one thing I said
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: a thousand times, the New York State Democratic Party, they've
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: got this.
• 41:39
  Speaker 5: They're perfect. Well, we learned our lesson. But this time,
• 41:42
  Speaker 5: we're not leaving anything. We're going everywhere. So Senate, caring
• 41:47
  Speaker 5: about the White House, the House, but we're also going
• 41:49
  Speaker 5: down ballot to state legislatures, gubernatorial elections. anything that matters.
• 41:53
  Speaker 5: But in order to do that, we had to kind
• 41:55
  Speaker 5: of change the way that we're doing the program. And
• 41:58
  Speaker 5: so people can go to votesaveamerica.com slash 2024. And they
• 42:03
  Speaker 5: basically tell us where they live and whether or not
• 42:06
  Speaker 5: they want to do virtual or in-person volunteer events. And
• 42:09
  Speaker 5: then each week we'll send them a high impact volunteer event.
• 42:12
  Speaker 5: But when they tell us what state they're in, they
• 42:14
  Speaker 5: will be assigned to a team, team East or West.
• 42:17
  Speaker 5: And we just split the country. Along the Mississippi River,
• 42:20
  Speaker 5: which I learned is how they do the NBA.
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 42:23
  Speaker 5: And so that's how it's all split up.
• 42:25
  Speaker 3: That's how they do radio stations. They do how they
• 42:27
  Speaker 3: do radio stations.
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: It's K on one side and W on the other.
• 42:31
  Speaker 3: Mississippi.
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: Oh.
• 42:33
  Speaker 5: YK.
• 42:33
  Speaker 3: I didn't know that.
• 42:34
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 42:35
  Speaker 4: Shaniqua, East Coast, West Coast rivalries have famously ended in tragedy.
• 42:38
  Speaker 4: What's your plan to prevent that?
• 42:40
  Speaker 3: Um.
• 42:42
  Speaker 5: You know, this could end in tragedy if Donald Trump
• 42:45
  Speaker 5: is elected.
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: She's on message. That's right. We are team captains.
• 42:50
  Speaker 5: Yes, I was going to ask. You all live here,
• 42:53
  Speaker 5: but what team are you on?
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: It's the Johns. We're taking the team West.
• 42:59
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: Softies.
• 43:00
  Speaker 5: I'm on team East.
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: Thank you.
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: And Dan.
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: And Dan. Tommy and Dan.
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: Tommy, Dan, and Shanique are a team. Who else do
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: we have on Team West?
• 43:08
  Speaker 5: Alyssa is on Team West. No, Team East. Sorry. She's
• 43:11
  Speaker 5: on our team. She literally lives in New York.
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: I wish we could have had a draft.
• 43:16
  Speaker 5: Yeah. Oh. That's a good idea for next year.
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: That would have been fun. Next most important election of
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: our life.
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: We'll either do that in the studio or in the camps,
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: depending on what happens.
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: We can draft some other people.
• 43:26
  Speaker 3: We can think about some outsiders we want to draft.
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: Oh, that would be fun.
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: That's a good idea.
• 43:30
  Speaker 5: That is. Aaron is on Team West.
• 43:32
  Speaker 3: Hell yeah.
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: Nice.
• 43:33
  Speaker 5: Nice.
• 43:33
  Speaker 7: Okay, great.
• 43:34
  Speaker 5: Wow, that's a really great idea.
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: So we're playing in 24 different states, 71 target races.
• 43:39
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I know. It's a lot.
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: I love that.
• 43:41
  Speaker 5: There's a lot to do. And that's why we need
• 43:42
  Speaker 5: everyone to sign up. If we could get anywhere near
• 43:46
  Speaker 5: or more, it would even be better, the 300,000 people
• 43:48
  Speaker 5: that signed up in 2020, we can make sure everyone
• 43:51
  Speaker 5: has the help they need. And we've been talking to
• 43:52
  Speaker 5: grassroots organizations across the country, and they need volunteers. They really,
• 43:57
  Speaker 5: really need volunteers. We're going to need volunteers here in California.
• 44:00
  Speaker 5: Arizona and Nevada need volunteers there. Everywhere needs volunteers, up
• 44:03
  Speaker 5: and down the ballot. So we really need people to
• 44:05
  Speaker 5: sign up.
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: I will also say, like, volunteers have always been important
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: to campaigns, right? And a good field operation with a
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: lot of volunteers always makes the difference in very close races.
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: And we are going to head it for another very
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: close race. The country is very evenly divided, which means
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: that even though that makes everyone nervous, that also means
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: that whatever you do has a bigger impact. The other
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: reason volunteering is so important now, probably more so this
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: cycle than it's ever been, is... The media infrastructure that
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: campaigns are used to, that organizing is used to, has disappeared.
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: It is very, very difficult for campaigns to communicate directly
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: with voters, whether it's paid ads, whether it's media, because
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: no one's paying attention anymore. And so what ends up
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: being most effective is peer to peer, person to person organizing,
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: either with people you know, people in your community or friends.
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: perfect strangers, and then having these conversations with people, that
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: is going to end up making the difference in this election.
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: So volunteering is just not like an add-on thing for campaigns.
• 45:05
  Speaker 5: It is central.
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: This is the hard pitch, all right? You listen, and
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: we love it. We're so glad that you do. But
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: you did not do all this paying attention over the
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: last several years to not do this one step, which
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: is sign up to be part of Vote Save America.
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: This is what it was all for. This is what
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: all the paying attention gets us. It gets us to
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: this moment.
• 45:23
  Speaker 3: This is why we podcast.
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: This is why we do it.
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: This is why we pod.
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: This is why.
• 45:26
  Speaker 3: This is why. This is why we download. We do 1.5X.
• 45:30
  Speaker 3: We skip ahead. That's right.
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: Can't skip ahead to November. Yeah.
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: I wish we could.
• 45:35
  Speaker 5: That's good. You got to do the work in the in-between.
• 45:37
  Speaker 3: You got to do the work.
• 45:38
  Speaker 5: I like that.
• 45:38
  Speaker 4: Also, speaking of doing the work, I'm really smart to
• 45:40
  Speaker 4: pick 71 races because that just sounds like you put
• 45:43
  Speaker 4: so much thought into it.
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: We did.
• 45:44
  Speaker 5: No, we really, really did.
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 45:46
  Speaker 5: I am... I hate to use the word anal about
• 45:49
  Speaker 5: this stuff, but what is a better word than that?
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: I don't know. You really drew attention to it. Honestly,
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: if you just said it, it would have been fucking fine.
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: I would just say it again and just go through it.
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: I know.
• 45:56
  Speaker 7: Okay.
• 45:57
  Speaker 5: I hate to be so.
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: No, we're using this already. You're not getting an edit.
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: Was the 72nd candidate Henry Cuellar?
• 46:04
  Speaker 5: You know, I don't care for that man.
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: Neither does the FBI. Right.
• 46:09
  Speaker 3: We're learning that today.
• 46:11
  Speaker 5: I hope he has fun with whatever happens.
• 46:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we all do.
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: Sorry.
• 46:15
  Speaker 5: You know, I want to keep the house all that. Yeah.
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: Anyway, sign up. If you're listening to Pod Save America
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: and you're not signed up to Vote Save America, unless
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: you're just like hate listening because you're some right-wing MAGA person,
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: that's fine. But if you're listening and you don't want
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: Donald Trump in the White House, this is going to
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: do a lot more than just listening or posting.
• 46:33
  Speaker 3: Also, it's really fun.
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: It's really fun. You can meet the best people.
• 46:36
  Speaker 3: You'll have a good time.
• 46:37
  Speaker 5: And you can do whatever you want. Like, if you
• 46:39
  Speaker 5: don't want to talk to people face-to-face, you can send
• 46:41
  Speaker 5: text messages. Like, just tell us what you want to do,
• 46:43
  Speaker 5: and we'll send you something to do. Absolutely.
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: And I know, like, maybe you say to yourself, like, oh,
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: but I'm not really political. I just listen because I
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: like to write fan fiction about Dan and Tommy. Still.
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: You think that's the most popular one?
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: I think it's up there with the right-wing freaks.
• 46:56
  Speaker 4: There's me plus Yes We Dan slash fic.
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: There is now. There is now.
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: You just manifested it? You just put that into the world?
• 47:04
  Speaker 5: Wow.
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: You just put that into the world on my behalf?
• 47:08
  Speaker 7: Man.
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: Anyway, is this what you hoped for?
• 47:12
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: It was a late night at the White House.
• 47:15
  Speaker 5: Oh, my gosh.
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 47:16
  Speaker 5: You know what? If people sign up and we win
• 47:19
  Speaker 5: the election, Lovett will finish whatever.
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: He's talking about.
• 47:22
  Speaker 5: Oh, that's a good.
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: That's a deal.
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: Honestly, honestly, that's a deal.
• 47:25
  Speaker 3: There's a joke I'm trying to get at. It's something
• 47:26
  Speaker 3: about how The P isn't always silent.
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 47:33
  Speaker 5: This is taking a turn.
• 47:35
  Speaker 3: Olivia's like, nope, nope, nope.
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: Olivia cut that.
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: I don't know. The P and Pfeiffer.
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: Well, that's all the time we have for today. Thank you, Shaniqua,
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: for joining Pod Save America.
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: Sign up for Organize or Else at votesaveamerica.com slash 2024
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: slash 2024.
• 47:56
  Speaker 4: We've got a big URL debate brewing back here, folks.
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: We're letting you in on it.
• 47:59
  Speaker 3: We've got a big URL fight happening.
• 48:02
  Speaker 5: Putting the soft P in Pfeiffer is the joke?
• 48:05
  Speaker 4: I was thinking the P and the V.
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: Make sure we're recording.
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: Like Tommy said that late night at the White House.
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: Let's leave that in.
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: All right, thanks to Shaniqua for joining us, and we
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: will have a brand new episode for you on Wednesday. Bye, everyone.
• 48:30
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