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HAND THAT ROCKED THE CRADLE: AU PAIR PLOTS MURDER OF LOVE-RAT-BOSS’ WIFE, HUBBY BUSTED · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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  Speaker 2: The hand that rocked the cradle. It's not just a
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  Speaker 2: movie anymore. Did a glamorous young o pair plot the
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  Speaker 2: murder of her love rat boss's wife? And what about Hubby?
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  Speaker 2: I'm Nancy Grace, this is crime stories. Thank you for
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  Speaker 2: being with us, So let me understand. The glamorous young
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  Speaker 2: o pair, as she is called, leaves to take the baby,
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  Speaker 2: just four years old, to the zoo, and then day
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  Speaker 2: of all days, realizes, oops, I forgot lunch. Okay, so
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  Speaker 2: she goes back and comes upon what a homicide saying?
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  Speaker 3: Listen.
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  Speaker 4: Fairfax County Police officers responded to a nine to one
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  Speaker 4: to one call from within the home in an upstairs bedroom.
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  Speaker 4: We found Joseph Ryan deceased as a result of gunshot wounds,
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  Speaker 4: and found Christine Banfield suffering from stab wounds. Christine was
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  Speaker 4: transported to a local hospital and pronounced dead. We recovered
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  Speaker 4: rather two firearms and a knife. This morning, at seven
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  Speaker 4: forty nine am, we received a cell phone nine to
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  Speaker 4: one one call that was an open line hang up.
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  Speaker 4: That call was captured and noted, and thirteen minutes later,
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  Speaker 4: at eight oh two am, we received a cell phone
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  Speaker 4: nine one one call from the very same cell phone,
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  Speaker 4: and two persons communicated with our nine one one call
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  Speaker 4: taker At that eight oh two nine one one cell
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  Speaker 4: phone call, the husband and the OU pair communicate with
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  Speaker 4: the nine one one call taker. The husband tells the
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  Speaker 4: nine one one call taker that he just shot a
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  Speaker 4: man inside of his home, and the husband tells the
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  Speaker 4: nine one one call taker that the man who he
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  Speaker 4: had just shot had stabbed his wife.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, whoa, this is so crazy. So the A pair
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  Speaker 2: comes back. She finds this scene. Where did hubby come from?
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  Speaker 2: He is a FED. For Pete's sake, I assume he
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  Speaker 2: was on his way to work a FED, a federal agent.
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  Speaker 2: So they come upon the wife bleeding out. You know,
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  Speaker 2: let me go straight out to investigative reporter and anchor
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  Speaker 2: Sierra Fox. You can find her on Fox five or
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  Speaker 2: find her online at the Sierra Fox. Sierra thank you
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  Speaker 2: for being with us. Let me just understand when the
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  Speaker 2: nanny the O pair gets back to the house to
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  Speaker 2: retrieve the lunches. Number one, did she leave the baby
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  Speaker 2: in the car? Did she bring the baby in?
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  Speaker 5: She brought the four year old daughter inside and put
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  Speaker 5: her inside the basement while she went upstairs to check
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  Speaker 5: out the scene.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, wait a minute, whoa who woah, Sierra, how does
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  Speaker 2: she know when she went in to put the baby
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  Speaker 2: in the basement and go upstairs.
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  Speaker 3: I thought she was just going in the kitchen to
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  Speaker 3: pick up lunch.
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  Speaker 6: Exactly as you know, Nancy, this case has a lot
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  Speaker 6: of twists and turns, very confusing and complicated. No idea
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  Speaker 6: why exactly she would bring the four year old daughter
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  Speaker 6: inside when you thought there may be up thereat.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, right there, Hold on, Sierra, wait a minute, it
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  Speaker 2: would be a cold day in h E double l
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  Speaker 2: that this one comes into the house with that mouthful
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  Speaker 2: of red lipstick and takes care of the children. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: call me crazy. Ron Bateman is joining me for mor homicide.
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  Speaker 2: Undercover narcotics agent, author of a crime trilogy, Silent Blue
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  Speaker 2: Tears at Ronbateman Books dot com. But for my purposes
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  Speaker 2: veteran law enforcement look, uh uh and oh, this one
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  Speaker 2: is not gonna be my babysitter, Ron Bateman. Why does
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  Speaker 2: she have to have a mouthful of red lipstick to
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  Speaker 2: take care of the baby? Yeah?
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  Speaker 7: I wonder who was involved in the interview process to
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  Speaker 7: select this o pair. I'm sure it wasn't the wife.
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  Speaker 7: I'm sure the husband had all the saying in this hiring.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I can just tell you this, Ron Bateman, uh
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  Speaker 2: uh And okay, call me crazy. I'm sure you already
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  Speaker 2: have Courtney Laski joining US board Certified behavior analyst.
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  Speaker 3: Courtney.
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  Speaker 2: Why does she have to have a mouthfull of red
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  Speaker 2: lipstick to take care of a four year old baby girl?
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  Speaker 8: You know, I think some would argue it is a
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  Speaker 8: personal preference. Maybe she loves to feel good about herself,
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  Speaker 8: but there's not a need for it.
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  Speaker 2: You're right, this has nothing to do with anything. But
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  Speaker 2: I can guarantee you this.
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  Speaker 3: Brian Foley. Brian Foley is joining US.
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  Speaker 2: A veteran trial lawyer, former chief prosecutor in Harris County.
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  Speaker 2: That's Texas author of What Prosecutors Don't tell you. I
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  Speaker 2: don't know what you're talking about right there now, Criminal
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  Speaker 2: defense attorney Brian Foley.
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  Speaker 3: Did you see those two pictures? Did you?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah?
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  Speaker 9: Seems like you know, a very attractive young out pair.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, you know, Brian Foley, you seem pretty common about it.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I don't know if your wife would feel
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  Speaker 2: the same way, but let.
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  Speaker 3: Me get off her lipstick.
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  Speaker 2: And her push up bra and her tear drop open
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  Speaker 2: shirt right there and her selfie. Let me get back
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  Speaker 2: to the actual murder. That is why we are here tonight,
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  Speaker 2: Sarah Fox. This is what I want to understand. Siara
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  Speaker 2: Fox is joining me from Fox five DC.
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  Speaker 3: Sierra.
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  Speaker 2: So, the o pair aka babysitter that lives in your
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  Speaker 2: house comes in and for some reason, she instinctively puts
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  Speaker 2: the four year old baby along downstairs in the basement,
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  Speaker 2: and then she goes upstairs. You told me she just
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  Speaker 2: came back to get the lunch, the sandwiches. But that said,
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  Speaker 2: after she goes upstairs, what does she say?
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  Speaker 3: She finds well.
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  Speaker 5: And police arrived on scene.
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  Speaker 6: She told them that this was an intruder situation, that
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  Speaker 6: there is a break in, and that her and Brendan Banfield,
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  Speaker 6: who is the husband her employer, was inside and acting
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  Speaker 6: in self defense. So before she went inside the home,
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  Speaker 6: when she turned around while she was on her way
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  Speaker 6: to the zoo with the four year old girl, and
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  Speaker 6: she went back because she forgot the lunches. She actually
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  Speaker 6: called the husband telling him that she saw someone outside
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  Speaker 6: walking to the home. So while he was on his
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  Speaker 6: way to work, he drove back to the house and
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  Speaker 6: that's when they both went upstairs and then the bloody scene.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, I think I've got that straight.
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  Speaker 2: Listen, guys, this is Chief Kevin Davis, Fairfax Police.
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  Speaker 4: The first nine one one call came from me what
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  Speaker 4: we now know to be the O Pair cellphone. That
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  Speaker 4: nine one call was an open mic. Nothing discernible on
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  Speaker 4: that call was a quick hang up. We noted that call.
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  Speaker 4: Thirteen minutes later from the same nine one one, from
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  Speaker 4: the same cell phone, a nine more one call was
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  Speaker 4: made and on the phone was first too Pair communicating
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  Speaker 4: with us, and then she apparently handed the phone to
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  Speaker 4: the husband. The husband the gate with us, and that's
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  Speaker 4: when the husband told us that he shot and killed
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  Speaker 4: a man inside of his home. And that's when the
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  Speaker 4: husband told us that the man who he shot and
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  Speaker 4: killed was stabbing his wife.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, so we don't have just the wife stabbed and
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  Speaker 2: she dies, the mother of the four year old little girl.
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  Speaker 3: We have this guy that we learn is Joseph Ryan
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  Speaker 3: and he gets shot dead.
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  Speaker 2: All right, So Sierra Fox joining us Fox five Washington,
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  Speaker 2: this is not just a homicide. This is a double homicide, unless,
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  Speaker 2: of course, that husband really is acting in self defense,
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  Speaker 2: which is a complete defense.
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  Speaker 3: But we got two dead bodies. Let me just put
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  Speaker 3: it that way. Is that right?
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  Speaker 5: Two dead bodies? Yep, a double homicide.
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  Speaker 3: Doctor Gorniac is joining us.
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  Speaker 2: For those of you that don't know her, doctor Gan
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  Speaker 2: Gorniac is a renowned medical examiner who worked in the
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  Speaker 2: Clark County Medical Examiner Office. And that is Vegas translation.
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  Speaker 2: Never a lack of business at the Vegas Morgue, Doctor.
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  Speaker 3: Gorniac, I'm just thinking this through. Number one.
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  Speaker 2: When you find a female victim who is unclothed, you
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  Speaker 2: can immediately rule out suicide. Statistically, women do not kill
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  Speaker 2: themselves to be found. I think it's instinctive. I'm not
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  Speaker 2: sure about that. I'm not a shrink. I can rule
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  Speaker 2: that out immediately. But let me talk to you about
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  Speaker 2: the number of wounds to this young mom, nurse neck.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, if you want to kill somebody quickly, there
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  Speaker 2: are two ways to do that. One stab them to
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  Speaker 2: the heart and to stab them to the neck the
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  Speaker 2: jugular explain.
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  Speaker 10: So yes, when you some want to stab to the heart,
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  Speaker 10: obviously that's the main organ that supplies blood to the body.
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  Speaker 10: So when you're losing blood from the heart, blood is
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  Speaker 10: not circulating about the body, so your body's not getting
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  Speaker 10: any oxygen. Major vessels come off of the heart into
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  Speaker 10: the neck, so when you get stabbed in the neck,
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  Speaker 10: major arteries are going to be severed and you're going
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  Speaker 10: to be losing blood from there too. So both areas
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  Speaker 10: when someone is stabbed there are going to lead to
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  Speaker 10: someone hemorrhaging, so they're going to lose a lot of blood,
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  Speaker 10: decreased oxygen to the brain, and leading to death.
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  Speaker 2: I've got a question, other than possibly dottor Gornia, a
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  Speaker 2: stab to the heart or the neck, I guess the
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  Speaker 2: third most lethal stab would be to the federal artery
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  Speaker 2: on the leg.
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  Speaker 3: What do you think?
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  Speaker 10: Yes, those are people don't realize that the big artery
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  Speaker 10: got supplied the blood to the legs or the femeral arteries,
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  Speaker 10: and sometimes we can't even tell that. Someone can even
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  Speaker 10: have a gunshot wound, a stab wound and get that
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  Speaker 10: vessel and then once again all that blood is bleeding
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  Speaker 10: inside of the lake and sometimes we're surprised like, Okay,
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  Speaker 10: how do they die? And it's because they got that
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  Speaker 10: artery in the lake. Also common places to be stabbed
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  Speaker 10: is in the chest and the lungs. Could be punctured
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  Speaker 10: and they can bleed out into their chest.
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  Speaker 2: Also, I'm just thinking Ron Bateman and joining me, former
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  Speaker 2: homicide detective and now author, Ron, I'm just thinking about
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  Speaker 2: this lady, this mom minding her own business up in
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  Speaker 2: her bedroom, probably in bed, thinking her daughter, her baby
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  Speaker 2: has gone to the zoo, and that her husband, the fed,
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  Speaker 2: has gone to work, and all of a sudden, all
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  Speaker 2: h double l breaks loose and there she is stabbed
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  Speaker 2: multiple times in the neck.
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  Speaker 3: That is a horrible way to die.
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  Speaker 7: Absolutely, you can't defend yourself when you're stabbed in the
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  Speaker 7: kronad artery in your neck. I mean you're just You're
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  Speaker 7: rendered completely useless at that point. So there's no way
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  Speaker 7: she could even take any maneuvers to try to defend herself.
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  Speaker 7: It's a very sad, sad situation for sure.
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  Speaker 2: You know. Another thing is reminding me Brian Foley joining
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  Speaker 2: US veteran try a lawyer out of Texas. It's reminding
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  Speaker 2: me of comparisons. There she is in her nurse outfit.
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  Speaker 2: I believe she was in the nicku ward a pediatric nurse.
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  Speaker 3: Brian Foley.
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  Speaker 2: This is very similar to the Brian Coburger stabbings. Where
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  Speaker 2: the victims are in bed quasi as sleep some ambulance
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  Speaker 2: I guess, you know, half asleep, half awake, and they
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  Speaker 2: are immediately confronted with a stabber.
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  Speaker 3: Now that's a whole different mentality.
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  Speaker 2: It's not like a sharp sheeter at a distance where
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  Speaker 2: the person doesn't even seem real. It's like you're shooting
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  Speaker 2: at an arcade duck going by on one of those conveyors.
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  Speaker 3: It's not real. But stabbing someone and unlike strangling them.
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  Speaker 2: Which is also an up close and personal murder, it
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  Speaker 2: takes a degree viciousness to stab someone, and you've got
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  Speaker 2: to be prepared for immediate blood flow, especially if an
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  Speaker 2: artery such as the carotid artery or the jugular is stabbed.
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  Speaker 2: That's a whole different mindset, Brian Foley, So how would
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  Speaker 2: you in any way minimize that with a jury stabbed
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  Speaker 2: in the net repeatedly, a naked lady up in her bedroom.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, I think you know. As a defense attorney, when
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  Speaker 9: you're confronted with a situation like this, you want to
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  Speaker 9: point to the amount of confusion that there is in
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  Speaker 9: something like this. Why is there both a gun and
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  Speaker 9: a knife being involved? If this is all a plot.
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  Speaker 9: We know that the husband is an IRS kremn Ole agent.
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  Speaker 9: He had a gun issued to him by the IRS
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  Speaker 9: that was used in this Why are they doing multiple
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  Speaker 9: different plots? Why are they bringing in this unknown person
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  Speaker 9: Joseph Ryan from you know, Out of Nowhere.
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  Speaker 1: Crime stores with Nancy Grace.
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  Speaker 11: Brendan Banfield finds his wife Christine nude and a man
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  Speaker 11: he doesn't know with a knife to her throat. Banfield
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  Speaker 11: tells the man to put the knife down, but he
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  Speaker 11: starts stabbing the thirty seven year old mother. Brendan Banfield
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  Speaker 11: carries a gun as an IRS special agent, and he
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  Speaker 11: draws his Service Revolver and shoots the man in the head.
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  Speaker 11: The intruder is wounded and down on the ground. Banfield
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  Speaker 11: calls for perezmaghlies and tells the Old Pair to get
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  Speaker 11: his personal gun a clock out of the bathroom safe,
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  Speaker 11: giving her the code. The Old Pair retrieves the glock
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  Speaker 11: and at Bamfield's direction, shoots Joseph Ryan the heart as
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  Speaker 11: he is laying on the ground.
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  Speaker 2: Let me understand what I'm hearing, guys. In the last hours,
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  Speaker 2: a bombshell development in the investigation into the deaths of
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  Speaker 2: two people number one the mother in this case a
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  Speaker 2: local nurse, the mother of a four year old little girl,
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  Speaker 2: Christine Banfeld, stabbed to death, multiple stab ones to the
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  Speaker 2: next also a guy that nobody seemingly knows, a thirty
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  Speaker 2: nine year old guy, Joseph Ryan.
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  Speaker 3: He's up in the bedroom with the mom.
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  Speaker 2: Why is he there, so Sierra, the husband shot the intruder,
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  Speaker 2: I guess, even though there's no forced entry. But why
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  Speaker 2: did he then go tell the O pair to shoot
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  Speaker 2: Joseph Ryan as well?
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  Speaker 6: Right now, investigators haven't revealed exactly why Joseph Ryan was
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  Speaker 6: shot twice and why the husband would tell the OA
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  Speaker 6: pair to get his block with the code and then
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  Speaker 6: shoot Ryan again, who is inside the field's home.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, this is what I don't understand, Ron Bateman. Why
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  Speaker 2: did the hubby, the husband and the O pair have
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  Speaker 2: to kill the so called intruder Joseph Ryan, who I
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  Speaker 2: don't think was an intruder.
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  Speaker 3: But that's putting the cart before the horse. Why do
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  Speaker 3: they have to kill him twice?
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  Speaker 2: So? Am I supposed to believe that the husband shoots Ryan,
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  Speaker 2: who he finds with his wife in the head and
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  Speaker 2: then says, Okay, I've shot him I've got a gun
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  Speaker 2: on him. Now you here's the code. You go get
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  Speaker 2: this other gun, and now you shoot him.
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  Speaker 3: That's total BS and a time like that, you're not
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  Speaker 3: telling anybody.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, here's the code, one two, three, four pound pound pound,
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  Speaker 2: Now get the gun. No, I mean the chief of police,
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  Speaker 2: the sheriff. His head must have blown off when he
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  Speaker 2: heard that. Why not just shoot the guy twice yourself?
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, first off, it was reported that he
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  Speaker 7: was shot in the head by the IRS agent, So
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  Speaker 7: therefore you're most likely dead. You're completely incapacity, for sure.
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  Speaker 7: But he's an investigator and he wants his cohort to
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  Speaker 7: be equally culpable, so he then has her do the
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  Speaker 7: same thing and shoot him, supposedly in the heart. So now,
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  Speaker 7: if I'm going to go down, you're going down too,
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  Speaker 7: So that way they're both called. I think that's the
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  Speaker 7: underlying plan.
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  Speaker 2: Let me see that picture of Joseph Ryan again. He's
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  Speaker 2: petting a little puppy dog. Okay, he looks harmless, but
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  Speaker 2: of course looks can be deceiving. Okay, here's another fly
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  Speaker 2: in the ointment. The double nine to one one call,
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  Speaker 2: I promise you if I'm calling nine one one I'm
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  Speaker 2: not going to hang up and wait thirteen minutes and
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  Speaker 2: call back if there's a nine to one one call,
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  Speaker 2: their darn will better be a nine to one one happening,
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  Speaker 2: So listen to this.
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  Speaker 11: Christine Banfield is mortally wounded, bleeding profusely as she lays
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  Speaker 11: on the floor in the Banfield bedroom. The man who
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  Speaker 11: had been stabbing her there is Joseph Ryan. He's wounded
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  Speaker 11: when Brendan Banfield shoots him with a service weapon, but
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  Speaker 11: is killed when all paired Juliana Perez Maggalise shoots him
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  Speaker 11: through the heart as he's laying on the floor. Julianna
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  Speaker 11: Perez Moggalise calls nine one one, and after connecting with
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  Speaker 11: the operator, she hands the phone to Brendan Banfield. This
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  Speaker 11: is the second time that day that Maggales dials nine
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  Speaker 11: to one one. The first she called from the basement,
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  Speaker 11: but she later told police she hung up when she
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  Speaker 11: realizes she has no idea of what's going on upstairs.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, I've found out, Sierra Fox Diggings through some police
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  Speaker 2: docs that the husband told the babysitter to go and
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  Speaker 2: to put the baby in the basement. That's the story,
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  Speaker 2: but here's what I want to understand. Also, Sierra Fox,
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  Speaker 2: Joseph Ryan, who's lying dead on the floor when cops
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  Speaker 2: get there.
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  Speaker 3: He's shot in the head and the heart. Is that right?
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  Speaker 5: That's what I read in court documents.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, okay, so they didn't think shooting him in the
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  Speaker 2: heart was enough to kill him or the head.
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  Speaker 3: They had to kill him twice. Also, so the wife
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  Speaker 3: is stabbed.
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  Speaker 2: Multiple times in the neck the juggular vein, and he,
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  Speaker 2: Joseph Ryan, shot in the head and the heart.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, I don't think this guy broke in.
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  Speaker 12: Listen, on the sexual dating site fed life, a profile
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  Speaker 12: is created using the online name of Anastasian nine. Finding
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  Speaker 12: the Anastasia nine profile for Christine Banfield and communications between
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  Speaker 12: Anastasian nine and Joseph Ryan. Authorities believe someone other than
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  Speaker 12: Christine Banfield set up the profile and it was someone
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  Speaker 12: else that was communicating with Joseph Ryan while pretending Anastasia
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  Speaker 12: nine is Christine Banfield.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, I'm drinking from the fire hydrant right now. Too much,
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  Speaker 2: too fast. Let's just start with the fetish website, all right,
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  Speaker 2: to Sierra Fox joining us Fox five DC, Joseph Ryan
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  Speaker 2: did not break in.
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  Speaker 3: We know, no forced entry whatsoever.
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: Why doesn't anybody have Manny Can's for Pete's sake or
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: surveillance video so I can figure out what's going on
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: the peer. And this is the mom and Joseph Ryan,
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: an unknown male, the one petting the puppy dog. They've
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: been talking on an adult fetish site. And now we
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: find out the mom reportedly has a profile there, and
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: she the mom who works full time as a nurse
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: and takes care of a four year old baby girl
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: wants rough sex at home where her husband just left
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: two minutes before. Okay, Sierra Fox, I can remember when
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: the twins were four years old.
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: The last thing on my mind was going on an.
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: Adult fetish website and meeting some guy I have never met.
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: For rough sex. Okay. I was just trying to get
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: through the day.
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: Okay, So explain to me this working mom and nurses
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: are on their feet day long, taking care of a
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: million people, from washing their hands and slapping on puil
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: all day long, to cleaning bed pants, to helping people vomit,
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: to bringing meds and making sure they take their meds
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: and they're fed, and they're this and they're that all
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: day they have to wear those special shoes because their
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: legs hurt so much. At the end of the day,
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: she comes home to the baby and the fed, the
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: husband with the I R S. No comment there out
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: a word, and now she wants rough sex. Is that
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: what I'm supposed to understand?
• 20:37
  Speaker 6: Sierra Fox Nancy, to your point, this is very, very perplexing.
• 20:41
  Speaker 6: Fairfax County Police have not released the specific relationship between
• 20:45
  Speaker 6: Joseph Ryan and Christine Banfield, but sources do confirm they
• 20:49
  Speaker 6: were a fetish website.
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: Did you say it's perplexing?
• 20:54
  Speaker 6: It is a lot of questions are being raised in
• 20:57
  Speaker 6: last week at the press comments with Fairfax County Police.
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: They do you have children yet?
• 21:01
  Speaker 5: I do not know.
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: Okay, see that's why you have so much energy. Okay,
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: just wait, just wait, trust me, Sarah. The last thing
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: is going to be on your mind first thing in
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: the morning is having rough sex with the guy you
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: have never met off a fetish website. Now I need
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: to understand something.
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: Back to.
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: Ron Bateman, Oh good, digital evidence. That's what I want
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: right now. I want it fast, and I want it now.
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: Digital evidence. How did this website get set up?
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: Did this mom?
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: Do we really know she's set up the website connection
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: with Joseph Ryan, because if she didn't, I am telling
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: you for is gonna fly Bateman.
• 21:50
  Speaker 7: You know what that part of the investigation is going
• 21:52
  Speaker 7: to reveal a lot of information, and if you would
• 21:57
  Speaker 7: like for me to talk about it now. I had
• 21:59
  Speaker 7: a conversation with Chief Kevin Davis this morning about this case.
• 22:03
  Speaker 7: I've known Kevin for a long time. He's a great cop,
• 22:05
  Speaker 7: first and foremost. The case is still ongoing, of course,
• 22:09
  Speaker 7: so he can't reveal everything, but he assured me that
• 22:13
  Speaker 7: they have a very and i'll quote this a very
• 22:15
  Speaker 7: strong case and he has a lot of forensic evidence
• 22:19
  Speaker 7: that's very damning.
• 22:21
  Speaker 4: The husband was treated at a local hospital for a
• 22:25
  Speaker 4: minor injury that he told us he had to his leg,
• 22:29
  Speaker 4: and the husband has elected not to speak to Fairfax
• 22:33
  Speaker 4: County detectives. The au pair is speaking with Fairfax County Detectives.
• 22:39
  Speaker 7: White Man.
• 22:40
  Speaker 4: The husband is not charged. She is not accused. He
• 22:44
  Speaker 4: was present at the home.
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: Not speak to detectives.
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: If someone so much has touched a hair on my
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: husband's head, I would be lying on the front step
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: of the police station screaming at the top of my
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: lungs to get the person that hurt my husband?
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: Did I just hear Brian Foley?
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: Is it possible the husband has quote elected not to
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: speak to Fairfax County detectives after his wife has been
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: stabbed in the neck repeatedly in her bedroom, button naked,
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: and he doesn't want to talk to detectives.
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: Uh uh no, that's not right, Folly.
• 23:27
  Speaker 9: Well, you do have the Fifth Amendment right not to
• 23:30
  Speaker 9: speak to the police if you don't want to, And
• 23:31
  Speaker 9: he did also shoot somebody just a minute ago.
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: Why wouldn't you want to speak to police. Why wouldn't
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: you want to speak to police and tell them how
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: you came in and this guy's stabbing your wife in
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: the neck, so you shoot him dead in the head,
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: But then for some reason get your ou pair with
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: all the red lipstick to shoot him in the heart too.
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: That's a whole other can of worms. But why would
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: he want to take the fifth Folly? Yeah?
• 23:57
  Speaker 9: I mean there are so many cans of worms, Like,
• 24:00
  Speaker 9: for example, if Christine didn't make that dating profile, I
• 24:04
  Speaker 9: just said, why did she?
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: If I say it, you don't say it right after me,
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: Echo chamber?
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: What so if she?
• 24:11
  Speaker 9: Uh, if there was confusion in this case, you know,
• 24:14
  Speaker 9: it comes starting with Christine making this website, and there's
• 24:19
  Speaker 9: no fourth century, so we know she let this guy
• 24:22
  Speaker 9: in who would have been a stranger to her, and
• 24:24
  Speaker 9: the police's theory is that that guy, a stranger, was
• 24:28
  Speaker 9: recruited by the al pair and the husband.
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: To Courtney Laski, now I see why Brian Foley wins
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: so many cases. He's you know, he's going to go
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: down with a ship defending this guy and the Courtney
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: Laski joining US Board Certified Behavior Analysts and you can
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: find her at Little Star therapy ks dot com.
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: Courtney, I'm not a shrink.
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: I'm not a behavioral analyst like you, much less Board
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: certified behavior analyst. But I know when I smell a rat,
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: I smell a rat because I find it really hard
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: to believe that if I had been harmed, stabbed, much less,
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: then my husband would not tear the whole.
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: Place down trying to find out what happened.
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: And he quote elects not to speak to police about
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: his dead wife lying naked in the floor. And this
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: guy is a fed, he works with the irs, he
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: knows the law, so why wouldn't he speak to police?
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: Courtney.
• 25:38
  Speaker 8: That is one of the most pressing questions that I have.
• 25:42
  Speaker 8: He is in the criminal division of the IRS. When
• 25:46
  Speaker 8: we look at behavioral forensics, we first look at all
• 25:49
  Speaker 8: of the individuals involved and we look at their learning histories.
• 25:53
  Speaker 8: Mister Banfield has an extensive learning history in crimes and
• 25:58
  Speaker 8: understanding the legal aspet, how to plan a crime, how
• 26:02
  Speaker 8: to defend against a crime, how to investigate a crime,
• 26:05
  Speaker 8: so he would have that knowledge of what he should
• 26:08
  Speaker 8: and shouldn't do following a serious, serious event that occurred.
• 26:13
  Speaker 5: In his home.
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: Okay, guys, what happens next? Listen to Kevin Davis, Fairfax
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: County Police cheam.
• 26:21
  Speaker 4: On February twenty fourth, twenty twenty three, I stood in
• 26:24
  Speaker 4: the middle of a cul de sac street in Fairfax
• 26:27
  Speaker 4: County and describe the deaths of two persons inside of
• 26:30
  Speaker 4: a residential home. Now, five hundred and seventy days later,
• 26:35
  Speaker 4: we know the deaths of Joseph Ryan and Christine Banfield
• 26:39
  Speaker 4: are both in fact murders. I will not describe our victim,
• 26:43
  Speaker 4: Joseph Ryan's relationship with anyone involved because this investigation continues,
• 26:49
  Speaker 4: and like any criminal investigation, our probing of the facts
• 26:54
  Speaker 4: does not end when an arrest is made. This much
• 26:59
  Speaker 4: is clear. We have evidence to now allege that Christine
• 27:03
  Speaker 4: Banfield's life was unlawfully taken and Joseph Ryan's life was
• 27:07
  Speaker 4: unlawfully taken.
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: Well, that can only mean one thing.
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: When they say that both Joseph Ryan and Christine Banfield
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: were murdered, that means to me, of course, this will
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: be determined in a court of law that no one
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: was acting in self defense. Now to doctor Jan Gorniac,
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: renowned medical examiner formerly out of Vegas, Doctor Gorniac, I
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: don't like this, but I know it to be true.
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: It's very hard to date or time stab wounds, for instance,
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: which stab came first. But in this case, to determine
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: who stabbed the why Christine Banfield, we could look.
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: At the body of Joseph Ryan.
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: Yes, he's been shot in the head and the heart,
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: both obviously mortal wounds. But wouldn't we be able to,
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: for instance, look at his hands to see if they
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: were bloody?
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: Is he the stabber or is somebody else the stabber?
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: What would you look for on his person when that
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: body rolls into your morgue? What would you do?
• 28:35
  Speaker 10: It's difficult to determine which one came first, absolutely, because
• 28:39
  Speaker 10: we don't know what positions the bodies were in when
• 28:42
  Speaker 10: they were stabbed. So for example, we know that you
• 28:45
  Speaker 10: are stabbed in the left side of the neck and
• 28:47
  Speaker 10: the right side of the neck, and we want to
• 28:49
  Speaker 10: know what hand the perpetrator uses. So she's face down
• 28:53
  Speaker 10: in they're right handed, she'll have stab wounds on the
• 28:56
  Speaker 10: right side of the neck, and if she's they're facing
• 28:59
  Speaker 10: each other, and the same thing uses the right hand,
• 29:02
  Speaker 10: that'd be on the left side of her neck. Unfortunately
• 29:05
  Speaker 10: or fortunately, people just don't stay in one position to
• 29:09
  Speaker 10: sustain injuries like that. Like you said, it's up close
• 29:12
  Speaker 10: and personal, so it's not an injury that's going to
• 29:15
  Speaker 10: be immediately fatal. So you're going to start moving around.
• 29:20
  Speaker 10: But it's going to be very difficult to determine. Unless
• 29:24
  Speaker 10: the perpetrator has injuries on their hand, it's going to
• 29:27
  Speaker 10: be very difficult to tell who the perpetrator actually actually.
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: Doctor Gorniac, at first, I thought that this sounded crazy,
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: but then I started seeing it over and over and
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: over again, and I realize it's true, and I would
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: love to have gotten to look at Brian Coberger's hands.
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: Immediately after the four university students were murdered quasi asleep.
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: Very often, even if you are using an knife that
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: has a hilt, you know, like one of these, your
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: hand slides down from the handle onto the blade. The
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: human body puts up a lot of resistance when you stab.
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: It's not like stabbing into butter. It's more like stabbing
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: into a roast beef that's been in the fridge.
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: A really long time. Or turkey a turkey, yes, a turkey.
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: Just stabbing straight in and you meet resistance, and very
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: often purpse are not prepared for that resistance, and they
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: stab and their hand slides down the blade and they
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: get sliced. It's actually very common, especially if you have
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: the over overhead stab motion as opposed to the straight
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: ahead stab motion. Very interesting, it's very interesting the dynamic
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: of stab wounds.
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: That said, that's one thing that.
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: We would look for on Ryan's hands, is he even
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: the stabber?
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: Also, do you have the victim's blood on Ryan?
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: Which is going to be really hard to determine because
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: she's covered in blood. It's a bloody crime scene. She's
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: been stabbed in the jugular vein. For Pete's sake, he's
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: been shot twice and somehow you the medical examiner, have
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: to preserve the clothing, preserve everything you find on the hands,
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: if anything, because at some point somebody a DNA expert
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: is going to want to differentiate between his blood and
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: her blood.
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: That's a tough order, Dr Gorniac.
• 31:42
  Speaker 10: As you said, Nancy, there are a lot of variables
• 31:44
  Speaker 10: when it comes to the stabbing injuries and whether the
• 31:48
  Speaker 10: perpetrator is going to get injuries on their hands. It's
• 31:51
  Speaker 10: going to be where they're stabbed, the person is being stabbed,
• 31:54
  Speaker 10: the type of instrument that they're using. So I hear
• 31:57
  Speaker 10: you when you talk about the force or the tension
• 32:02
  Speaker 10: that comes with stabbing somebody. But remember in the neck,
• 32:05
  Speaker 10: you're not going to run into resistance until you hit
• 32:09
  Speaker 10: actually the cervical spine to the vertebrae in the neck,
• 32:12
  Speaker 10: compared to stabbing somebody in the chest. So therefore it
• 32:17
  Speaker 10: is like once you get through the skin, depending on
• 32:20
  Speaker 10: how sharp the instrument is, it is going to slide
• 32:22
  Speaker 10: through the body like butter. So there may or may
• 32:25
  Speaker 10: not be injuries on somebody's somebody's hand, Plus those vessels
• 32:29
  Speaker 10: in the neck, it's so close to the skin, you
• 32:32
  Speaker 10: don't have to penetrate the neck that deep. So yes,
• 32:36
  Speaker 10: we're going to look at the victim's hands, but our
• 32:40
  Speaker 10: experience because we usually don't have the suspect who did
• 32:45
  Speaker 10: the stabbing on our table. Also, so this is a
• 32:48
  Speaker 10: very unique case. So they might be able to determine
• 32:52
  Speaker 10: whether or not she was stabbed by the unknown assailant
• 32:56
  Speaker 10: in her house.
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: Sierra Fox's joining us Fox five. Is this true?
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: And I want to show you a photo. Is it
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: true that police find the babysitter the O pairs clothes
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: hanging in the dead mom's closet and a picture of
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: the O pair and the husband on the bedside table.
• 33:32
  Speaker 3: Is this real?
• 33:33
  Speaker 6: It's real, It's true, and it's absolutely chilling. Police released
• 33:37
  Speaker 6: a photo of the O pair and the husband together
• 33:40
  Speaker 6: on the bedside table right next to the bed and
• 33:43
  Speaker 6: that's the same exact room where these murders happen.
• 33:46
  Speaker 5: So very scary.
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: I'm looking at the photo right now. What is in
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: the background? Where are they?
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: Are they going on dates? And they've taken looks like
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: he's taking a selfie.
• 34:00
  Speaker 5: Yeah, you can see her arm.
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: Okay, you know what that that's too much for me
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: to even take it. WHOA, my goodness, weight the cleavage
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: is back.
• 34:11
  Speaker 3: There she is.
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: When I'm showing a photo right now Sierra of them
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: at a restaurant, happily posing together. Here, it looks like
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: they're getting somebody else, probably the waiter, to take that picture.
• 34:23
  Speaker 3: Well, when did this happen?
• 34:24
  Speaker 6: No idea when that specific photo appeared. But they have
• 34:29
  Speaker 6: been in an affair while the pair was living inside
• 34:33
  Speaker 6: the home at this time. It's not clear Christine knew
• 34:35
  Speaker 6: about it or not.
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: Oh my stars, this woman working to support the family
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: and coming home.
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: And these two have been at it like two buddies
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: all day long.
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: So not only do we have confirmation now of what
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: we suspected, these two we're having a sex affair right
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: under the dead wife's nose, But it's deeper than that.
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: Affairs happened every ye day. Do I like it not?
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: Does it happen? Yes? Does that make the husband a murderer?
• 35:06
  Speaker 10: No?
• 35:06
  Speaker 3: It doesn't. But wait a minute listen.
• 35:09
  Speaker 11: Investigators say, however, they believe it was all a ruse,
• 35:12
  Speaker 11: that someone else created the profile on the adult fetish
• 35:15
  Speaker 11: website pretending to be Christine Bamfield. In fact, investigators believe
• 35:19
  Speaker 11: Ryan's murder was part of an elaborate plan to kill
• 35:22
  Speaker 11: Christine Banfield so her husband Brendan, and their Brazilian live
• 35:26
  Speaker 11: in au pair could be together.
• 35:28
  Speaker 3: So this is a very elaborate plot, Run Bateman.
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: It seems as if Joseph Ryan, who was on the website,
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: we think the adult fetish website, was lured to the
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: home by someone pretending to be the mom Christine Banfield
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: using the profile name Anastasia nine, and he responds to
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: what he believes is a request for an encounter for
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: rough sex.
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: Okay, do you really.
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: Believe that this opa put that whole plot together on
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: her own and the husband knew nothing, Ron.
• 36:06
  Speaker 7: Bateman, Okay, So that's where this investigation is really going
• 36:09
  Speaker 7: to reveal a lot of things. When they start looking
• 36:11
  Speaker 7: into IP addresses where this was created. It might have
• 36:15
  Speaker 7: been at his work, or at a friend's house, or
• 36:17
  Speaker 7: at a hotel room that they rented. That's really going
• 36:21
  Speaker 7: to reveal a lot of things. And you know, it's
• 36:23
  Speaker 7: it's pretty common. Number one rule and how to commit
• 36:26
  Speaker 7: a crime handbook is don't do it with someone else.
• 36:29
  Speaker 7: And that's exactly what this guy did. You know, he
• 36:32
  Speaker 7: had this o pair. He had this this plan. The
• 36:35
  Speaker 7: plan sucked and his backfired all the big time.
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: Is that a technical legal term, Yes, it is.
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: The plan sucked. Now this gives d I Y a
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: whole new meaning. These two plotting together and in the
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: last days another bombshell hobby busted.
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: Listen.
• 36:54
  Speaker 13: Early last year, the double homicide of Christine Banfield and
• 36:58
  Speaker 13: Joseph Ryan shook our entire community. Today, I'm pleased to
• 37:02
  Speaker 13: announce that, due to the hard work of police and prosecutors,
• 37:05
  Speaker 13: the Commonwealth's Attorney's Office has secured an indictment against Brandon
• 37:08
  Speaker 13: Banfield for the murder of his wife, Christine and the
• 37:11
  Speaker 13: murder of mister Ryan. Fairfax County Police officers took Brandon
• 37:15
  Speaker 13: Banfield in the custody and he's been brought to the
• 37:17
  Speaker 13: same adult detention center where Juliana Perez Maglis has been
• 37:21
  Speaker 13: since last year when she was arrested for the murder
• 37:23
  Speaker 13: of mister Ryan. The great investigative work of the Fairfax
• 37:27
  Speaker 13: County Police Department led us to new information which was
• 37:30
  Speaker 13: instrumental in securing today's indictment that charges Brendan Banfield with
• 37:34
  Speaker 13: aggravated murder and the use of a firearm in the
• 37:36
  Speaker 13: commission of a felony?
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: Was it worth it? Of course, he's innocent until proving
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: guilty under our constitution. Was it worth it just to
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: have sex with the babysitter under your wife's nose, because
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: now the baby girl mom.
• 37:54
  Speaker 3: Is dad and dad's behind bars awaiting trial. Is it true?
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: To Sierra Fox joining us on the case from the
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: very beginning that in court the husband the fed the
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: irs agent refused to even state he was married to
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: Christaine at the time she was killed.
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: One of my.
• 38:14
  Speaker 6: Flox Life colleagues was in the courtroom and they did
• 38:16
  Speaker 6: say that he just continued to plead the fifth exercising
• 38:19
  Speaker 6: his constitutional rate to remain silent to not potentially incriminate himself,
• 38:24
  Speaker 6: so he did not say anything during that hearing.
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: Take a listen to.
• 38:27
  Speaker 11: Our Forensic Crime online Juliana Perez Magalise. The Banfield family
• 38:31
  Speaker 11: au pair is charged with the death of Joseph Rime,
• 38:34
  Speaker 11: but not charged in the death of Christine. Banfield. Police
• 38:37
  Speaker 11: Chief Kevin Davis says the investigation is ongoing and he
• 38:40
  Speaker 11: expects to hold more than just one person accountable for
• 38:43
  Speaker 11: the crimes. Now. Brendan Banfield is charged with four counts
• 38:47
  Speaker 11: of aggravated murder and use of a firearm in the
• 38:50
  Speaker 11: commission of a felony. He's being held without bond.
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: So the nanny, the babysitter, Juliana Perez macaliss is the
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: death of Joseph Ryan.
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  Speaker 3: But two people were murdered. What about the mom, Sierra Fox,
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  Speaker 3: who's charged in that.
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  Speaker 6: Well, Brendan Banfield is facing several charges, including four counts
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  Speaker 6: of aggravated murder and use of a firearm and commission
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  Speaker 6: of a felony. And right when we heard this from
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  Speaker 6: the Commonwealth's attorney, we were confused.
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  Speaker 5: Why four counts?
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  Speaker 6: Well, the reason is very technical and lawyery Nancy, as
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  Speaker 6: a former prosecutor, you probably understand best. But essentially, the
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  Speaker 6: aggravated murder statue in Virginia has multiple options to prove that,
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  Speaker 6: and so when they look at that and plan to
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  Speaker 6: present what they have, prosecutors just wanted to be able
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  Speaker 6: to cover all their bases.
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  Speaker 5: So the jury had options, I.
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  Speaker 2: Say, charging in the alternative, like charging with murder one
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  Speaker 2: and then charging with felony murder as an alternative murder charge.
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  Speaker 3: I see what you mean.
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  Speaker 2: If you know or think you know anything about this case,
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  Speaker 2: no matter how slight LA law enforcement is built a
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  Speaker 2: case now. Please call seven zero three two four six
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  Speaker 2: seven eight hundred repeat seven zero three two four six
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  Speaker 2: seven eight hundred two. People are dead and I want
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  Speaker 2: to know why.
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  Speaker 3: Good Night friend,